Yummy Mummy

Episode #6 Halloween month. Yummy Mummy is about Mummification and how is relates to cannibals. Disclamer: talks about graphic subjects. Guest Host MC Chubz

Episode Transcript

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Hello, Welcome to the Wires Crossed. I'm your host, Rayleen. This
is episode number six. Today westart the Halloween season off with a tribute
to cannibals and mummies. And Ialso have a special guest in the studio
today, my niece Empty Chubs.Hey, what's up, Empty Chubs?

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WeLab Riley, what's up. Goodto have you in the studio today.
You're going to talk about some mummiesand some cannibals, something I don't know
very much about, but you doknow about, right, Yes, okay?
Cool. Well, let's start offthe episode with current news. These

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past two weeks have been a badweek for the people in Florida and North
Carolina. We had Hurricane Ian comethrough and tear up both of those states.
It looks really bad. Some peoplehave lost their lives. Was not
a good situation, but I'm prettysure they're going to get their stuff back,
They'll get to rebuild. You know, it's a big sad situation,

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Empty Chubbs. You guys were gonnahead to Florida, weren't you? Yep?
And then the storm hit yep.Glad you didn't go. That would
have been all bad. Yep.And other news country star Lauretta Lynn died
at the age of ninety the otherday. Very very sad. She lived

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a long life. She was abig pioneer for women. She did a
lot for women in music, notjust country music. She had most of
her music band, which I thoughtwas kind of hilarious. She had some
songs about the pill and then thingsabout things being X rated. I did

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not know she's saying about that,but she did. It was kind of
crazy. Like I said, shelived to be about ninety. She died
in her home in Kentucky. Soshe died very police peacefully in her sleep.
So we're really sad to hear aboutthat. She was a great woman.
And then last, I have takena picture of Paul. He's not

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been in the studio very much.He's been kind of sick, kind of
under the weather. He's now dressedup as a mummy for the episode.
So I will put that on theFacebook page and the Instagram page, so
you guys can see the picture ofPaul dressed up for today's episode of a
mummy. Kind of cute. He'skind of being snotty today, but it's
it's it's all good. So let'stake a short break and then we'll get

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into the meat of the program aboutcannibals and mummies Withinc Chubbs. We'll see
interview. Okay, welcome back tothe Wires Crossed. I'm your host,

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ray Lean. I am back withmy niece Emcy Chubbs. All right,
Chubbs, let's go into it's theshow at hand. Let's uh, let's
talk about mummies. First of all, let's talk about what is a mummy
in the mom location process? Allright, now, before I get started

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this a little disclaimer. I don'tspeech issues, so forgive me advised that
are a little bit so. Mummificationis the preservation process used by the ancient
Egyptians and other cultures basically for theirdead, and it was also a religious
ceremony, part of you know,crossing over into the afterlife, and it

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was you know, very sacred tothem. A lot of the times their
high priests or basically their preachers woulddo that. And the people who usually
got mumified were pharaohs, any oftheir servants, cats, because cats were
a big part of ancient Egyptian religionand very more upper class important people.

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Now I have seen on TV,I'm like the history channel. They have
mummies inside the spinks and the tombsand things like that. Those are the
kind of mummies you're talking about,correct, correct? Yes? Okay,
okay, let's see what is themamaication process? I mean, why do

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you why do they how did theydo it? How did they make mummies?
Do you know? Uh? Yeah? So most of the times the
first steps. Obviously, you havea lot when you die, you have
a lot of you know, liquidstill in you. And the whole point
of musification is drying and preserving thebody. So what they usually started off

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with was taking out your organs,and some of them they would keep,
some of them they wouldn't, andimportant important organs to the Egyptians, where
your lungs, your intestines, yourstomach, and your liver. They would

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be put into jars and be preservedthat way because you need those for the
afterlife. And then your heart wouldbe preserved and put back into your body.
Okay okay, And so they thinkthat all this is very important to
the afterlife. They'll need them afterthey die in the new afterlife. Yes,

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okay, okay, that's cool.What does the actual wrappings start to
turn them into the typical mummy.Well, it's not just about the wrapping.
They would actually dry out the bodyby putting salt and stuff like types
of natural oils to help preserve almostlike preserving pork or fish. Very interesting.

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Interesting, I never actually knew that. That's very cool. I'll have
to think about pork and fish adifferent way after. Oh wow, let's
see. So they do the saltbrining and then did they start with they're
wrapping. Yes, they usually typicallywould remove the salt. Then they would

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soak the wrapping actually, and stufflike frankinsonsmor well, other oils they also
used to preserve the body. Andthen they would wrap you head to tone
bandages. And that actually isn't justfor preservation, it's also for protection,
to help protect the body. Ohokay, okay, that makes sense.

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I didn't know that either, butthat does make sense. I mean,
so they're so they're protected just likewe use bandages today. Okay. Cool.
And for more important or higher uppeople, more wealthier people, pharaohs.
In between the linen wrappings, theywould put jewels, keepsakes, stuff

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like that. Oh so they thinkthey can take that stuff in the afterlife
with them too, Yes? Nice? Nice, nice, I've read somewhere
that they they take their horses andtheir cats and all their possessions with them
so they will carry on to theafterlife. Okay, that's a very good

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that's a very good thing to know. Well, they say you can't take
it with you. Well, Iguess they think that they can. That's
why a lot of the tombs wefind nowadays actually have you know, art,
a lot of artifacts, furniture somewhat. I believe one of the pharaohs
was found with a boat. Actually, just a lot of you know,

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everyday items because you basically continue youreveryday life in the afterlife to them for
their religion. Nice. I'm goingto have to rate up more on Egyptian
culture because that's very interesting to me. I did not know a whole bunch
of that. Like I said,I'd seen things on the History Channel that
explained that, you know, theytake things with them, but I didn't

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know they actually thought they would usethem in afterlife. Okay, that makes
a lot of sense. I'd alsoheard of the whole thing of only wealthy,
very high up people being mummified,so they would not just do an
average Joshmo. Okay, Okay,Well, let's look at the process,

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and it sounds very weird, butit happens the consuming of mummies and why,
and yes, I do mean consumingas of eating. So since the
discovery of mummies and early early inhistory, as early as the twelfth century,

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other foreign places, in specifically Europeobviously not now, people do not
eat mummies now, but sixteenth century, fifteenth century, all the way up
into nineteenth century Europe, we're consumingmummies. Did they have discovered and having

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stuff like mummy unwrapping parties and bethey would quite often open up these mummies,
you know, and it would bemore of an entertainment show than a
scientific discovery. So you might geta bunch of friends together, but like,

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hey, let's crack open a coldone, and you know, let's
let's let's take this guy apart andsee what he's made of so we can
help us, you know, helppale us, and stuff like that.
Exactly, So they would break upin sarcophagus cases, unwrap the mummies,
tear their wimbs off, basically mutilatingthese you know, preservations in these side

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into the discoveries and for very weirdreasons, okay, like what like what
is one of the main reasons theywould do that some you old cultures in
Europe, and this was also foundsocially acceptable that there was a belief because
messin wasn't obviously very highly evolved,and our healthcare wasn't evolved very well,

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the consuming another part of a humancould help heal the part you were hurting.
So if you had a headache,they would actually crush up mummies skulls
and basically you would consume not inlike a tea or a powder, and
they believed it would heal you.Okay, would you also maybe take on

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the essence of that person or maybetheir power? Did they they talk about
that? Uh No, it wasmainly medical medical in the European cultures,
okay, and some obviously some tropicalcannibals, you know, tribes like that,
they might believe that more towards thanthe obviously the medical aspect of that,

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right, right, right, Okay. Did they eat the organs?
Did they do anything with the organs? I'm not sure. Usually a lot
of the items found in the tombswere actually sold off the auction to different
people to just have in their houses, as you know, this fun thing

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to show all your friends. Soa lot of times the mummies got separated
from their original organs and their possessionsthat they you know, were buried with.
Wow, that sounds like really badmojo to go to take something out
of somebody's start coffigas or whatever andkeep in your house. And a lot
of the tombs that they had foundhad already been tumorated. So that's where

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people go in and steal all theitems because some of the items were worth
a lot, especially if it wasa tomb of a wealthy person, right
right, And what did they dowith the bandages? Did they use the
bandages? I am not sure thebandages usually you know, obviously we're soaked
in oils and didn't have a bunchof quality these to them. Okay,

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they may make make some tea bagsout of them, you know, they
can use that duckett and some teamake tee bags out of them. Sounds
like what we do today with someanimals in the tropics and everything else.
You know, the elephants we usetheir horns, and it sounds like that
we do that to animals. Uhyeah, I would say, like tropically

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or you know, in other cultureswe can see that being used, and
I will have to say science hasproven consuming another person's body will not heal
that part of your body. Ido not encourage consumption of humans nor humans
mains, especially today because we usestuff like formoune, hide and everything in

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the embalming process, which is notgood for you. That's very good to
say, because you know that thereare some goofball out there who would think,
hey, I heard that on apodcast, and I think that I
have a headache. I'm just gonnago grave rob somebody and snort their snout
or snort their skull or that's areally good disclaimer, you know, big

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disclaimer. We do not support cannibalismin any way, shape or form.
Right, it's not saying that ussaying, you know, go go out
and eat somebody. Okay, rightnow, we don't want you eating people.
We don't want you Robin Graves.We are doing this for education,
not for persuasion or trying to giveyou guys some kind of hobby like eating

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ty pods. That that was pointlesstoo. I didn't get that. Yeah,
yeah, So don't go don't goeating people. Don't after this,
don't eat people. That's just I'mjust telling you don't eat people. I
mean, that's just it's wrong.It's totally wrong. So we went into
relating to cannibalism. Is there more? Is there a I want to say?

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Is there any kind of correlation betweenmodification and cannibalism. You know,
we have cannibals of today. Yea, So maybe that's what some of the
cannibals think that they're doing. Yeah, like damar and stuff like that.
Maybe they're eating people thinking that theycan heal themselves. A lot of them

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tended obviously just to be have mentalissues or obviously be psychotic and unjustified and
murdering a bunch of people. However, some of today's quote unquote modern cannibals
actually have used certain preservation methods.Modification will actually like make them a person's

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skin turned leathery, And we've seenmodern cannibals. In fact, famous cannibals
use preservation processes like leather making onhuman flesh. Okay, let's talk about
some famous cannibals. Let's go intothe cannibal subject. Now you've got Dahmer,

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You've got ed Gain. Did Gaycyeat people? No? Okay,
I only know two cannibals. Iwould say, let's see, Dahmer have
a lot of people this freezer andseveral boys. He didn't eat chicks,

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He only ate dudes. Right now, currently as the making of this podcast,
there's act fully a Dahmer series Ibelieve on Netflix, and there's a
lot of documentaries about him because he'smore well known now. One of the
lesser but I would say equally probablyfamous cannibals is Edgaine. Now Edgaine was

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a cannibal in the late fifties.So he was arrested for his crimes in
nineteen fifty seven, and he wasfound to actually have schizophrenia, so you
know, I won't you know,obviously not all people with schizophrenia or murderers,

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but or cannibals or cannibals. However, researchers think that that might have
contributed to why he acted such inways he did. And he actually got
discovered because a local horror where ownerhad gone missing her son came into the

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shops all blood and her gone,and so they had the whole place investigated,
and the last person known to goin was a Gain and so they
got out to his house and theydiscovered the most horrendous crime scene and just
the weirdest, just atrocious sights.You know, people's faces, skins hung

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up on the walls. If you'requeasy right now, I might stop at
this part of the podcast. Aseat made out of human skin, a
human skin suit that he had completelymade out of multiple women's bodies. Did

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he have a pair of pants thathe made Yes, okay, I remember
seeing the pair of pants that hehad pants, He had gloves, He
had a like chest plate made outof wound's chests. He also more of
the well known more well known artifacts. Or he had a lampshade made out

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of someone's skin and a belt madeout of women's nipples. Wow. Wow,
Wow. Did he wear the stuff? He wore this stuff he would
what he would do is he wouldskin the people quote unquote he would consume
the rest of their bodies. Alot of that was found in his fridge.

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He was actually simmering something on hisstove, I believe when they arrested
him. And yeah, he wouldturn it into leather through you know,
the preservation of your leather and occasion. Yeah. Wow. So he used

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the Egyptians basically template or recipe onhow to make leathers and preserve things for
him to wear. Wow, that'sthat's frightening. I mean, the man
had to be intelligent to a pointshould know how to do that and follow
the steps to make those things.But I can't even imagine. You know,

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did he just decide one day,Hey, let's let's put on the
nipple belt and let's go get thegraphic store. I mean, wow,
dude. I know that he wasthe inspiration behind Hedgecock's Psycho. If you'd
ever seen the remake with Helen Marinand Anthony Hopkins where they play Pat and

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Alfred Hitchcock, the whole first twentyminutes of that movie talks about ed Gaine
and how Hitchcock was obsessed with himand he was the making for Psycho.
Yes, so if you guys wantto know a little bit more about Ed
Gaine, check out the movie Hitchcockthat was made a couple of years ago.

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I know that Ed Gaine was thebasis for that. I just thought
it was some crazy guy that theythought that killed chicks in the shower.
Wow. See, that's that isbizarre. And Psycho is still very well
watched today, even though it wasmade over seven years ago. He was
also the part of the basis fora Hannibal lecter where he in Silence of

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the Lambs as well, actually themost well known as Science of Little Lambs
because obviously the face persons right.And yeah, he actually his brother died
a few years before. He wasarrested in an accident, but the only

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people around were him and his brother, and it had actually been speculated around
town that he actually may have murderedhis brother. And yeah, he did.
He keep his mom inside rocking chairand his basement or his front ram
and talked to her like she wasalive, like psycho. Actually, yeah,

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I think there was some true basisand that he did have a very
twisted obsession with his mother. Hewore her clothes after she died. He
actually kind of wanted to almost becomeher. That's why he made you know,
a skin too, to look likea woman would dress up in her

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clothes. And yeah, it wasnthat he just had a really twisted,
sick obsession. And not only didhe murder women, he also raped robbed
a bunch. Wow, dude,And it kills me that this all went
on in the fifties to the pointthat he probably wasn't found out for quite

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a while. He was, LikeI said, he was arrested in nineteen
fifty seven. The reason why upuntil the hardware store owner had been murdered
is why he hadn't been found outis he lived in a town called playing
Field and it's you know, verysmall. There's not you know. His

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house was out in the country ona farm. He was the only living
person living there, so obviously therewas He never had any visitors, no
friends. So that's why he wasnever found out up until he murdered the
hardware shop owner. Wow, thatis amazing. I mean, that is
absolutely amazing. I know that whenI was probably a sophomore in high school,

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our friend and I went to gosee Stevie Knicks in concerts and she
was in Cincinnati, Ohio. Wehad to pass Bath, Ohio, which
was the home of Jeffrey Dahmer,and at the time we went by what
we now know as his house byaccident because at the time Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't
famous yet. And when we passedhis house, we noticed that there was

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a bunch of cops, a bunchof excavating equipment and everything else at this
house. That was roped off andwe were in bath, Ohio for about
I don't know, twenty twenty fiveminutes, and we were just like,
Wow, I wonder what they're doingat that guy's You know, what's going
on at that house? Why there'sso many complies their excavating equipment. We
later found out that was Dahmer's house. We passed Dahmer's house going to a

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Stephen Knicks concert. We didn't seeanything. We did no at the time
it was Jeffrey Dahmer's house, butit is right inside Beth, Ohio.
Not sure what happened to that house. I would say they probably demolished it
and you know, it's just groundnow. But I thought that was weird
that we passed it before it wasfamous. I know that with the new

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Netflix movie come out about Dahmer,there's kind of a resurgence about Jeffrey Dahmer
and there are chicks on the internetwho now think that actual Jeffrey Dahmer was
attractive. No, okay, immediately, I'm just gonna say right now,
when you go psycho and murder abunch of people and drill into someone's skull

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and pour acid into it, youare not hot. I do not care
or who you are. You shouldnot be considered attractive, even if physically
faithful. Structure wise, you areno that attracts, should immediately go away
as soon as you go murder abunch of people, right right. And

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it's crazy to think, I knowthat there are some chicks that are attracted
to people in prison. I meanI can't. I can't imagine the kind
of love letters that Dahmer got andprison from screwed up crazy chicks. The
same thing actually happened with Charles Manson. Oh yes, chicks thought he was

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hot. He got so many fanletters coming in. And I do not
understand people having serial killers as theiridols. In fact, one of my
favorite youtubeers, Bailey Serian, whodoes murder Makeup Mystery Mondays, actually says
a lot on her channel, getbetter idols, So everybody get better idols.

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There's so much better people to haveas idols rather than crazy serial killers
murders. I know that's for severalyears that people have been sessed with serial
killers. My aunt rest her soul, was not a crazy person, but
she had a lot of VHS tapeson serial killers and she'd like to watch

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documentaries on sillar serial killers. Myhusband's boss at one time he worked for
he was obsessed with serial killers andactually bought paraphernalia and paid big money for
serial killer stuff, like he hadone of Wayne Gacy's mask They paid over

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one hundred thousand dollars for it.I mean, dude was obsessed with serial
killers. That's kind of frightening.I mean, that is scary. I'm
saying. I understand like that muchof an obsession. Understand why a lot
of people like true crime and nota lot of people like the psychology behind
it, just the thrill of watchingit. Even I like it personally for

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the forensic aspect of it. That'skind of why I want to go into
as a head off to college.So yeah, I mean I can see
certain aspects of why you would enjoyit, but otherwise no, I think
honestly, the most frightening thing tome is cannibals. I mean, during

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the movie hannibal Lector, you havethe guy who hannibal Lecter sets down at
the table, cuts open his brainand feeds it to him, and the
guy eats it and he doesn't honestlyrealize that he's eating part of his own
brain. Okay, do I thinkthat's gonna happen in real life. I
don't think the guy's going to bealive to eat his own brain, But

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just to think that somebody's thought ofthat is frightening. You know what's even
scarier is something very very similar hasactually happened already. I believe the eighties
nineties there was a cannibal in Germanywho found a volunteer off of the Internet.

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This is what's considered consensual cannibalism,which is where the person you are
eating consents to being eaten, andhe ate a part of a guy who
was still living, and the guyate part of himself. And they actually
had a hard time trying the casein Germany. To me, honestly,

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I don't. That is just beyondmental illness. That is the two people,
the guy that can sent it toit and the guy that ate the
other guy. Dude, those peopleneed to be locked up. This is
crazy. I mean, we havethe discussion earlier today about somebody being trapped
somewhere and you and I don't condonethis either, so don't write me letters

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about this either. But I seealmost an overwhelming understanding of say, like
you got trapped in a coal mineor you were in a airplane crash and
you had to eat the dead tosurvive. Again, I'm not condoning this,
and I wouldn't do it, butI have a little bit better understanding

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of survival, of eating the deadto survive, you know, And that's
been that's been tried in court severaltimes, and I can see how that
would be somewhat acceptable cannibalism. Butjust to consit to somebody to chew on
your leg, I mean, onecan't go through your head. Oh,

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I never understood it, but ithas happened. People in this world are
crazy. And when I say crazy, I obviously don't mean you know,
people who are mentally ill and whoneed help. No, people who just
don't think and just do the strangestthings. So like when I say crazy,

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I mean like murderers and psychopaths whohave no logical reason whatsoever as to
doing these horrible things, right right, right? I just I want to
know, did the guy take outan ad and say, hey, you
know, I'm looking for somebody whodoesn't mind to be chewed on an eight
he actually did on a cannibal.This was back before the Internet was more

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restrifted, more supervised, and theyhad these private chat rooms and there was
a cannibalism like group page area youcould go on too, and he posted
an ad saying, Hey, Iwant to eat somebody who will let me
eat them? I okay, rightthere. I don't think that those chat

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rooms would fly today. I wouldsay, honestly, there's probably stuff on
the dark web. Yes, mydark web is probably where most of that
stuff's at now. But in theeveryday Internet that most of us use,
no, you would not see that. That would get flagged down immediately and
probably reported. Probably. I can'teven. I can't even. I can't

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even. Yes, the world isstrange. This is crazy. Yeah,
I don't even know what to sayabout that. I just I can't imagine
somebody saying, hey, you know, let me eat you. Let's see
what it's like. And I mean, the person obviously lived, they were
just missing a part of their body. Sadly, that person actually did not

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live. He actually leading out afterconsue I'm being apart of himself. He
bled out due to his injuries,and then the other person continued to prepare
his body and he thrust Wow,dude, that didn't end the way that
he thought it was gonna end atit. No, that's hilarious. And

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yeah, it's just the actual factualevents that have happened throughout history are so
strange. And you know, Ilook into this stuff because you said I'm
into forensics, I kind of wantedto go into criminal forensics. So I

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truly find some of this interesting andsome of the psychology behind it interesting as
well. Now I'm kind of scaredto go to sleep tonight with you in
the house. I don't want towake up and you chew it on my
foot. No, thank you.I might rather have the lemon cake and
a late it's in there over yourfoot. I have kind of attractive feet.

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I mean I might take some feetpicks later and try to sell them.
Hey, doos get your money?I mean, do what you gotta
do. Okay, Well with that, let's take a short break and we'll
be back in a few minutes.Again, this is the Wires cross and

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you're with ray Lean and mc chubsseeing a bit. Hi, and welcome

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back to the Wires Crossed. I'myour host ray Lean. Well, we're
going to wrap up the show hereand we're going to you know, thanks
for being here MC chubs. Therewas a whole bunch that I did not
know about modification and cannibalism. Iknew some, but I definitely didn't know
about the modification. That is verycool, the whole preparation and the whole

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why they do it and how theydo it. You know, I only
see Steve thinks that's unlike the HistoryChannel. So very cool, very cool.
What I'm gonna do is I'm gonnapost several videos and information on our
Facebook site at the Wires Crossed atthe Facebook page, I'll post some information

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about cannibalism and mummification and Dahmer andgaycy. Like I said, we don't
condone any of this. It's justfor Halloween. It's one of the creepy
subjects that's not covered very much ona podcast, So I will put information
do out there for you guys tolook at. I'm also going to put

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a picture of Paul dressed up asa mummy. You guys can check that
out. If you guys have anyquestions or have any show suggestions, you
guys can always reach us at TheWires Crossed at gmail dot com or at
Facebook at the wires Crossed or Instagramat the Wires Crossed. So thank you

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guys for listening and taking time outto listen to our show. We very
much appreciate it. Thank you mcchubs for me my first guest. Welcome,
very very cool. A lot ofgood knowledge there. We'll have you
back. Give us another subject thatyou're passionate about and some of the stuff
that you know because it helps meout, gives the people different. Thanks.

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Listen to all Right, that's it, have a good night and see
you next week on The Wires Crossed.