July 31, 2024 • 36 mins
Linda says that The earth and our human collective are going through a huge transformation. Spiritual guidance is more important than ever in this age of chaos because chaos is a state of spiritual emergence. I see many spiritual seekers and devotees caught up in the need to be perfect, believing that to be spiritually developed, emotions must be controlled. There is a common misconception that being detached, unaffected, and never triggered is a sign of being adept. Furthermore, many spiritual folk focus on practices such as meditation and yoga to control their human experience rather than nourish their souls. I am interested in integration and respecting human nature as a conduit for the Divine. I have a fascination for people who feel that they don’t belong in the world. I believe that it’s because they are here to change it for the better. Many sensitives, the intuitives, creators, and visionaries who feel out of place and struggle to belong are needed now more than ever to raise the vibration of our collective humanity. The earth and our human collective are going through a huge transformation. Spiritual guidance is more important than ever in this age of chaos because chaos is a state of spiritual emergence. I recently read that in ancient Greek cosmology, chaos was considered the mythological void preceding the creation of the universe. Chaos is the beginning of all things when the preceding form no longer exists, and the new form has yet to be defined. Chaos is the process of creation beyond our familiar perception of reality. Self Discovery Wisdom TV All shows are supported via donation here www.selfdiscoverywisdom.com www.NewStreamingNetwork.com is home to GoingBoldMedia.com, GoingSoloMedia.com, and WGSN-DB Going Solo Network Radio, Podcasts and TV.
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your host, Sarah Troy. My wonderful guest today is Linda Nadelli.
She's also an offer in the mission accepted to sixty
two and I had the opportunity of meeting her recently,
although being fleeting because it's rather chaotic evening, but wonderful
to actually put a face to face, and she is
as beautiful in personal as she is in her pictures.
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We're going to be talking about her book today, Mystical Journey,
but we're going to be also talking about being. She
sees many spiritual seekers and devotees caught up in the
need to be perfect, believing that is to be spiritually developed,
emotions must be controlled. There is a common misconception that
being detached, unaffected, and never triggered is a sign of
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being adept. Furthermore, many spiritual folks focus on practices such
as meditation and yoga to control the human experiences the
nourish their souls. She's interested in the integration and respecting
human nature as a conduvert for the divine. She has
a fascinating fascination for people who feel that they don't
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belong in the world. Talking to me, I believe that
is because they are here to change it for the better.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yay. Many sensitives are in are insensitives, creators' visionaries who
feel out the place of film, out of place and
struggle to belong and I needed mill more than ever
because the vibration of our collective humanity needs to rise.
She says. The Earth and our human collective are going
through a huge transformation. Spiritual guidance is more important than
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ever in this age of chaos, because chaos is a
state of spiritual emergence. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, one
hundred percent agree to all of it. And yes, you
could be talking about me. I have felt out of
place pretty well my entire life, and that's because those
working on a different plane, and a plane that others
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just looked at and thought loopy. But it is our
time now where people are awakening and they're feeling sensitive,
as they like to put it. But what it is
they're in tuning, aren't they. They're really kind of coming
into their divine and understanding what that divine means and
how it really is the answer to all our problems
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here on earth. Welcome to the show, Linder.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Oh, thank you for having me. I've been so looking
forward to connecting with you, and you're right. The other
night for the two sixty two book launch, our time
was too fleeting, Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes, And it was a little hard because there was
a lot of music and a lot of people to
kind of really kind of sit down and have that
nitty gritty conversation which you wanted to have. But here
we are. We have all this time to ourselves here
now spiritual awakening has so many people are doing it.
You know they're but they're not quite sure what they're
awakening too. And then as you've put in your first paragraph,
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it's like, well, now do I, you know, meditate? I
do this and structure it. And it isn't a structured thing.
It is an allow thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yes, completely, I'm hearing about that people awakening. And I've
been in on this journey for thirty thirty five years.
So in my early twenties, I was very drawn to
the spiritual life and I said yes to God, I
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say yes to the Goddess and all that is, And yes,
I said yes to Gaia. And I sought to be
a clear conduit. That was my vision and my intention,
and the word awakening was not as popular as it
was now. So I look back at some of my experiences, going, oh,
I guess those were awakening experiences. I refer to them
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as expansions.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yes, yes, yes, I like that expansion, because if we
just live in human form, we're living in a limited
space altogether. And this is why we keep chasing our
tails and looking why doesn't that work? Why doesn't that work?
Why doesn't it work? Because you're repeating the human experience,
not the expansion of our divine.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Experience, oh beautifully said. And in that human experience, we
divide ourselves, we segregate, and we live by And that's
something I talk about in the two sixty two I
wrote about in that book, and it's that we live
in this hierical system with the three lives that we're told.
You know, this idea that we're better than yeah, or
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lesser than the most confusing one, the most confusing why
that we're told since the time we come into this
world is that we're equal. Weren't equal, and there couldn't
be furthest from the truth. I think it's more honest
to say that we're different, yeah, is to say that
we're equal. Well, I see some people that you can
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think of, some people are more privileged or are more opportunities,
and it's between men and women. I mean, where's the equality?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we would like equal rights and
equal opportunity. But not all of us are equal, because
if we embrace our own differently ableness, our own uniqueness,
we will understand there were all a different instrument to
the orchestra of life, and we're not all meant to
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play the same instrument the same way. We all be
in our own beautiful flavor, our own indiosyncrasies that actually
add to the music, as long as we're willing to
play in harmony with each other.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
That's beautifully said, and it's so necessary. I'm also a painter.
I'm an artist, and I created a work of art
that that I refer to that it was all around
embrace each other's differences. And I know that's hard. Yes,
it's so challenging. This idea that we're equal, as often said,
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from the same perspective as we're the same. Being the
same means we want to be alike mm hmm. But
what we're not now and we get triggered by differences.
We live in a society and that that human, the
denseness of our human collective that's still very much esconced
in the in the field of fear, the field of survival,
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and this is yeah, survival we want, we want to
feel safe, And how do we feel safe by making
the other the same as us?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Why? Why? Because then we're disappointed that they're not the same,
and all we're glad that they're not the same, and
it just brings out so many mixed emotions that why
can we not There's a beautiful word that I learned
a little what it called called flawsome and through our
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lives where you know, we realize we're flawed, but or
maybe even cracked. The experiences crack our bowl of life,
and instead of looking at it as faulty, you know
it is a flaw that when the Japanese put the
balls back together with gold, it becomes more. Thing is said,
put yourself back together with love and with a bowl
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now that has had many cracks, many life experiences, many
ups and downs, and you've put yourself back together with love.
You're unbreakable. Now you can take anything in that ball
because that love is what holds it together.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, and it's movable, it's changeable to that all. It's
not rigid, that ball. Yeah rigid, And that's the thing
being a conduit for spirit. You know, these these define
and clear practices that we believe we have to do like.
I have a friend of mine who comes and he
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gives me a list. It's almost like a bragging right,
so telling me that he meditates an hour a day
and he's doing this course and that training, and it
gives me the list of everything that he understands. And
after twenty minutes, I feel full.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'm exhausted, exhausted.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Where's the sharing, where's the curiosity about my own meditative state?
But obviously I can't have one. I can't be on
par if I'm not doing the same thing. But I'm
not a regular meditator.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Life is a meditation.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I want to take pauses throughout the whole day, yes,
and remember to breathe throughout the whole day, and seeing
sense more so that I can notice when the walls
are closing in and when my own mind is is
negating my source energy when or in my bodies. You know,
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there's I'm going I'm going through some changes. You know,
there's where put our house on the market. This with
our plan to move to the island so near you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Great move, you will not regret it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So looking forward to it. And there's a waiting period
and an anticipation period, and it brings up the past. Yes,
and it's not logical. My meditation in that is being
with the discomfort, and I teach that with people. I
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teach that in the soul circle of membership, the group
that I do, being willing to stay, stay in the discomfort,
stay in what's showing up. Because we have so many
avoidance to energies. It's like wanting others to be like
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us is an avoidance strategy. How we're avoiding their differences
or we're awarding ours. It feels awkward, it feels uncomfortable.
I have a different opinion than the other person.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
M yes, And you know, being uncomfortable it helps us
actually understand, well, if this is making me uncomfortable. The
big question is why now? Is it just because I've
already said goodbye to one place and I've just moved
here to Nanaimo from Victoria, so six weeks ago, so
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I know about that trepidation. I was waiting a year
to find a place, and then when I found a place,
got to wait a couple of months before I move.
And it's like you feel in limbo, and you feel
in flax, and what you know, the what ifs want
to come in right and and it's like, sorry, no,
I'm going to a home that is my sanctuary. I've
been asking the universe for a sanctuary, for a place
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that is I can feel at home in last time,
thirty fifth actual physical home. I've had other temporary ones,
but you know this is the last one. Thank you.
And instead of the trepidation, why don't we change it
to excitement? Right? And why why do we immediately go
to the fear or the worry of the anxiety. Yeah,
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it's a pain and about to pack up and move.
The actual moving is little exhausting. I'm still unpacking and
trying to find places. But why don't we look at
it to the excitement? What if I meet new people?
What if I get to do this? What if I
get to do that? Right? Why do we automatically go
to the other side.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Automatically? I've been conversing with these different parts of me,
and I came to realize it's very interesting. I've been
hearing that word a lot. Excitement. Oh I'm excited. I've
been I even hear myself say, and I heard my
husband say, and I've been here. Some women in the
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two sixty two, you know, and in the different groups
they're so excited about something that I've been feeling extremely
reactive to that word. And I sat down, Why is
this word bothering me? Why is this feeling? Because I
need that? Asked Indea. The spirits that I channel, they
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teach us to give our one hundred percent to life,
that we've got to engage wholeheartedly. What is excitement but
that full, wholehearted engagement. But it's really begin to trigger.
So I went in and I had a vague memory
of my mother saying that to me. We had another move. So,
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just to give you an idea of where this is
coming from some context, I went to three kindergartens, three
grade ones, phil grade one, went to another grade one,
three grade twos. I mean what I mean by that?
Three different schools. Yes, So by the time I was sixteen,
I had gone to seventeen schools.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I did five of them. That was Enoughteen was a
stranger everywhere you.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Went everywhere, yeah, everywhere, and then and then the kids
would like me. For about a week. I was a
new thing. But then I was I was wounded, I
was timid. I had lost my mother young and there
was a lot of stuff going on at home. So
that's you know, how how can you maneuver that with kids?
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And you know, everything is raw and they just want
you to be like them.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Why aren't you.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Playing sports like us? And why aren't you fit in?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Why aren't you fitting in? Didn't fit in?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So yeah, I just came to realize that my my
mother must have used that. Oh Linda, it'll be so
exciting in school.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yet another one move.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You know, well they split up or got back together.
My parents are, and I started to develop a distrust
of that. It's like this this idea of of of love,
you know, that word for some people to be trigger
because love came with abuse.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
False love. Yeah, yeah, yes, well I'm doing this because
I love you. I don't need that kind of love,
thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah yeah, and and love from people that were unwell psychologically,
and so as a sensitive I would feel the incongruency
words and energy being two different things.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So so now I'm I'm just like, I have to
create my own relationship with excites my Yeah, my own
definition of that for myself in a somatic way, because
cognitively I get it, yeah, But somatically that's that's where
the gems lie. How can we digest these concepts by
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just this conversation. I think it's in the body somatically.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I agree, Yeah, our body with the trillions of cells
that holes memories, especially wounded once and half the time
you go. But you know, I thought I cleared that.
Why has that come back? Oh? What the hell is this?
Now you don't And it's like we've got to understand.
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For you know, I'm turning seventy this year, so I've
got a lot of memories in there and ain't so good.
And I thought I had dealt with them, and then
all of a sudden, you know, it comes up to
the surface. But it isn't coming up to the surface
to get it. It's coming up to the surface for
you to address it. And sometimes all you need to
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do is just wrap some love around it and say
I've got you, I see you, I feel you, you
are safe. And we don't say that in a child.
We don't say that in a trauma, and very often
that trauma is unresolved. It will never be resolved because
sometimes all it needs is love, a loving hug of
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I'm there for you.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yes, yes, that's it. Those cool wounds, they don't get
resolved well I did. I just went into therapy in
my mid twenties and I worked with it's incredible therapist
for five years. It was highly spiritual and it really
helped me attune to my intuition. And when I took
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my training early late twenties and my and when I
started my counseling practice, I was setting out to heal,
which is to make better. We're resolving and we're getting
rid of this stuff. And I remember having a client
and she would say with me, we did a clearing
practice or deep energy healing, and she says, have we
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gotten rid of it? Have we gotten rid of it?
And I could feel her whole body contract back together.
This isn't what's needed. No, this isn't what healing is.
Healing is not about. It's like, oh, you have a
sore arm, You're going to cut it off?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah exactly, I said. Can we can delete and get
rid of the emotion around it, but we can't get
rid of the memory of it. I think it's changing
the way we look at it, you know, you know,
it's the all added thing. Did it happen to me
or did it happen for me? What did I become
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because of it? And I think if we can look
at it and go, yes, but out of that this
is how I grew and looking at it differently, you're
never going to change what happened, or maybe even the
feeling around what happened to a point. But what we
don't want is to become emotional around it, because that's
the emotion is what holds us back from becoming more
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than what we can be.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, it's it's the well, let's call them false emotions
or different.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Like a memory emotions, and they always become more dramatic.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And it comes from a false interpretation. Yes, So the
emotion just wants to flow through, wants to flow through,
and it gets stopped, it gets damned by these interpretations
that magnify and magnified and create really a contraction in
the body. Yeah, an unexpansion. Yes, thats and you mentioned
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early around this whole concept of awakening, and there's I've
had many people come to me who've had awakened experiences
and they've touched the define, they've felt the love you're
talking about. They've felt it, that's unhindered love. And then
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they said, but it fades and out. How do I
how do I maintain it or life, and it comes along,
and issues comes along, people come along, and they still
have to figure out how to self regulate and corregulate,
which is to be to be conscious of their themselves
and their environment. And I could see the attachment to
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that ascendants. They could see that how do I get
back to their And I can see them experiencing so
much suffering because of the contrast. And I want to
make space for the contrast. I want to make space
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for that excitement that we were speaking of earlier. And
the dread that lurks in the corner, the dread that says, well,
I can't trust that, you can't Oh, there's distrust here.
Where are we feeling that in the body? How much
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space can we make for the distrust? Because the way
I see it, let's say that when we're in a
state of reaction, Let's say it's like having the front
door and back door and windows open.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
We've got a.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Draft going on, and the papers on the desk are
flying about, and we've got to go and close the
door and close the back door of the window stop
the draft. You know, then what we end up doing
to compensate is we close everything off.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
MM hmm.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I say to people, let's open the front door. Let's
open a conscious door. And when we open it, we
let in the gramlins, We let in the anger, we
let in the suffering, we let in the fear, We
let in that disbelief, you know, the core limiting beliefs
like oh you're here, of course you're here. We're going
through some changes.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I don't believe we can do it.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Welcome and and and then comes the divine, then comes spirit.
Then it's it. Then it's a love that is from
us but through us. And I think that's when you
talk about love, sir. I think that's what you're talking about.
I kind of love that's moving through you that you're allowing.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yes, yes, they would allow. I use a great deal.
And you know that allowing, very often is what I
call nothingness. There isn't a fault here at the prisonom
there isn't an action here at the present moment. It's
just a trust, I surrender, I allow, and in that
is that you can just feel, you feel I'm safe.
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It's okay for me to be in a state of
nothingness right now and trust and allow for what will
be revealed is what I am meant to see and experience.
Even if it's not good, it's there for a reason.
And when you recognize it's not good, well, I don't
have to stay here. But why am I here having
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this experience? There's always a reason behind things. The universe
isn't out to punish and get you. It gives you
these experiences to show you a how strong, resilient and
courageous you are and the abilities that you never thought
you had. But also in empathy and understanding of what
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somebody else may be going through because you felt it
just for a moment, and in that understanding, you can
recognize it better in others and you can be more compassionate.
And I think that's whatever we go through in life.
Why is God doing this to me?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's not to you, it's for you. What you made
out of it was your choice, unknowingly or knowingly, you know.
I call it the Fox News syndrome. They take a
pimple and make it into a volcanic eruption, right, And
we're inclined to do the same because we're all a
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little melodramatic, right. And I can recognize that in me,
certainly with certain people that I know that I have
that trigger with and it's like I have to recognize
that perhaps I am making more out of this or
maybe it is just kind of being the blank slate
around them and not being you know, I have to
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adjust the way I am, which why should I? Is
one question? But the other is they're not ready right.
Sometimes you just cannot be the full version of yourself
around people. Sometimes you just have to be a few
drops at a time before they trust what they're feeling
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from you.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yes, And it's remembering in it we're strong and resilient,
we are Resourceful's remembering that, yeah, has that giving a
drop at a time. Well for me personally, sometimes it
leaves me feeling like unfulfilled. Yeah, and it leaves me
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feeling repressed.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, Yes, so I think it's it's not an don't
do it all the time, Yeah, because that is short
periods of time with certain people, what the level they're at.
But you want to turn that tap on every time
you see them for a lot more drops. But don't
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minimize yourself, you know, for everybody, sometimes that tap needs
to be full, flowing and pilling up the tank.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Right now, I'm going to remember this image when I
find myself in those kinds of situations, especially with family.
I'm gonna just imagine the tap dripping and know how
in time that will fill, that will fills.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And the thing is, it's always when it's family, it's
harder to deal with. Like if the friends or other people,
it's much easier. They're not ready. I'll leave the top
drip and come back when it's a bitful, But when
it's family, what you want to do is turn on
that full tap, you to feel like I feel. But
they're only ready for the But I understand, you know,
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like every drop creates an ocean, every grain of sand
creates a beach, and allowed the time and allow the
journey that they're going through is the one they're meant
to go through. And what were and this I'm sure
you see when people kind of finally wake up to
this and they're so enthusiastic about it. They want everyone
to feel it. You got to feel like I'm feeling.
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But we all wake up to it and become it
at our own stages of life. And we can't turn
run to other people and say, you know, we can
invite them to come and join us, but we can't
demand that they be where we're at because they're still
on their journey.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
My father taught me that years ago. I remember we
were on the phone and I was talking about my
younger sister and I'm like, why isn't you do therapy?
And I have great resources for her and she could
be seeing a healer and it's around something that was
occurring in her life. And he said to me, Linda,
your sister, isn't.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You mm hm m h.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Lesson after lesson of letting go of requiring others to
be like us and being adaptive to who they are,
which can feel limiting. And yet the word adapting, that
word is really ringing here for me right now. So
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I think it's a generosity when when you're doing that
with family, when you're like, oh, I'm gonna I'm going
to lessen them the flow, yeah, or I'll accommodate my
energy for the other person. There's generosity in that there is.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's not sacrificial. It's understanding you could actually repel them
by being too much of who you are. They're not there,
they're not ready. You're too much of a force. And
so it's coming in as a general wave, right, not
a tsunami. And you know, like just letting the waters
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brush their feet, right, and it's it's their journey. And
you know, I have a brother who's an author, and
his spirituality comes out in his books absolutely, but you
talk to me in real life he sounds like a
mookam No, it'll never work, no, you know, but when
he writes, you know, he's multi dimensional. And I have
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a sister who is completely just black and white, right,
and it's it's this is the way you've got to
do it, and that is that right, and has never
got what I do. I'm very proud of you, but
do you know what I do? And so one time
she even called me a do good to communist, which
is I'm still trying to work out where that one
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came from. But I am never going to get her
to truly see who, you know, what I do, though
she does see that I'm a better person for it.
So sometimes some people are never going to get there, right,
and you choose what I call a channel to work
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with them on. We stay within that channel. I don't
go down there Pandora box of politics and the next
crisis that's going on that she thrives on, and I
don't go down, you know, the spirituality. So we stay
in a channel that we can thrive on and they
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will find there. We find that as long as we
don't go out of our channels. Don't expect everybody to
be always on the same channel. It is a light
when you meet people that are right. I can be
utterly myself. It's wonderful. You're not being less than when
you're channeling with people where they're at, because they're still
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being inspired by who you are, maybe not understanding what
you're doing, and maybe not even complimenting who you are,
but knowing that you a hole for it and that
rubs off in them in some way.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, they may not know that consciously, Yeah, but it's
there in the field. It's their a shared field. If
we're not guarding ourselves against the differences, if we're not
letting the smaller bandwidth yes, shrink us even more. Like
(31:40):
we can take up all the space in that bandwidin
that channel, like you're saying, we can take all our
space there, just just not to the extent that maybe
we yearn for.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, but how.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Do we do that and stay connected to the yearning.
That's something that I've right in mystical intimacy is developing. Well,
there's a key message and throughout every chapter, and there's
(32:16):
a chapter all for this idea of connecting with our
longing or better said, to develop an intimate relationship with
our longing. Because that's easy to abandon. It's easy to
abandon pleasure and desire because the world of excitement that
(32:41):
it's pleasure in the moment we're in the disbelief, we're
not feeling the pleasure anymore. We're not feeling the pleasure
of anticipating, we're not feeling the pleasure of our dreaming
where and to me that that pulls us away from
our vision. It pulls us away from that please of
(33:02):
being an open conduit and open and clear conduit for
the divine centered center.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, I think, because when we're centered, it doesn't matter
that chaos can be around us and it may hit
the outer skirts of ourselves, but when we're centered, we
can weather any storm. Yes, is so what we don't
want to be is off kilter from our center.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I say to people, I say, no matter which way
you're pulled, and I'll do this physically. I'll just describe
it for your your listeners that are listening to audibly.
But I just rock left to right or front word
and forwards. So you could be pulled in any direction up, down,
(33:46):
But there's something that is consistent no matter what direction
you're in, and it's your axis. Yes, yes, it's always there.
Your center is eternal, it's always there. It hasn't abandoned you.
You're there. So how what do we need to cultivate
(34:11):
to stay connected to know that? Oh, there's my axis,
there's the pivoting. Yeah, so we know how much is
too much, how much is not enough? So we're listening
to that signaling from within.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I mean sometimes we can feel like a spinning bowl
mm hmm. But the spinning bowl has always got that
center right, and it's like, don't get caught in the
outer skirts of the spin. Yes, right, come from when
we say from the inside out is from the core
of your being, extend out. You can weather those chaos.
I live a lot in chaos.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yes, well, these are ages of This is an age
of chaos.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Absolutely, And do you find that it is out of
the chaos you produce some form of order and it's
not the human order and it's the divine order. And
that there's the difference. I think for a while. I
got caught up because I was born spiritual. I was
born playing with dead people and going multi dimension. I
(35:12):
was a very sick child, left alone a lot, so
a white room. This is why I'll never have white walls.
I would go off onto dimensions elsewhere and kind of
why don't other people do it? So I knew it
was always different and came that couldn't fit in. Then
spent the years and years and years of wasted time
trying to be what everybody else wanted me to be,
to be, you know, accepted by society, only to find.
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Welcome back to another edition to ignite your heart and
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your host, Sarah Troy. My wonderful guest today is Linda Nadelli.
She's also an offer in the mission accepted to sixty
two and I had the opportunity of meeting her recently,
although being fleeting because it's rather chaotic evening, but wonderful
to actually put a face to face, and she is
as beautiful in personal as she is in her pictures.
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We're going to be talking about her book today, Mystical Journey,
but we're going to be also talking about being. She
sees many spiritual seekers and devotees caught up in the
need to be perfect, believing that is to be spiritually developed,
emotions must be controlled. There is a common misconception that
being detached, unaffected, and never triggered is a sign of
(01:51):
being adept. Furthermore, many spiritual folks focus on practices such
as meditation and yoga to control the human experiences the
nourish their souls. She's interested in the integration and respecting
human nature as a conduvert for the divine. She has
a fascinating fascination for people who feel that they don't
(02:11):
belong in the world. Talking to me, I believe that
is because they are here to change it for the better.
Speaker 3 (02:17):
Yay. Many sensitives are in are insensitives, creators' visionaries who
feel out the place of film, out of place and
struggle to belong and I needed mill more than ever
because the vibration of our collective humanity needs to rise.
She says. The Earth and our human collective are going
through a huge transformation. Spiritual guidance is more important than
(02:40):
ever in this age of chaos, because chaos is a
state of spiritual emergence. Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes, one
hundred percent agree to all of it. And yes, you
could be talking about me. I have felt out of
place pretty well my entire life, and that's because those
working on a different plane, and a plane that others
(03:02):
just looked at and thought loopy. But it is our
time now where people are awakening and they're feeling sensitive,
as they like to put it. But what it is
they're in tuning, aren't they. They're really kind of coming
into their divine and understanding what that divine means and
how it really is the answer to all our problems
(03:24):
here on earth. Welcome to the show, Linder.
Speaker 4 (03:27):
Oh, thank you for having me. I've been so looking
forward to connecting with you, and you're right. The other
night for the two sixty two book launch, our time
was too fleeting, Yes, yes.
Speaker 3 (03:39):
Yes, And it was a little hard because there was
a lot of music and a lot of people to
kind of really kind of sit down and have that
nitty gritty conversation which you wanted to have. But here
we are. We have all this time to ourselves here
now spiritual awakening has so many people are doing it.
You know they're but they're not quite sure what they're
awakening too. And then as you've put in your first paragraph,
(04:01):
it's like, well, now do I, you know, meditate? I
do this and structure it. And it isn't a structured thing.
It is an allow thing, isn't it.
Speaker 4 (04:10):
Yes, completely, I'm hearing about that people awakening. And I've
been in on this journey for thirty thirty five years.
So in my early twenties, I was very drawn to
the spiritual life and I said yes to God, I
(04:30):
say yes to the Goddess and all that is, And yes,
I said yes to Gaia. And I sought to be
a clear conduit. That was my vision and my intention,
and the word awakening was not as popular as it
was now. So I look back at some of my experiences, going, oh,
I guess those were awakening experiences. I refer to them
(04:55):
as expansions.
Speaker 3 (04:58):
Yes, yes, yes, I like that expansion, because if we
just live in human form, we're living in a limited
space altogether. And this is why we keep chasing our
tails and looking why doesn't that work? Why doesn't that work?
Why doesn't it work? Because you're repeating the human experience,
not the expansion of our divine.
Speaker 4 (05:17):
Experience, oh beautifully said. And in that human experience, we
divide ourselves, we segregate, and we live by And that's
something I talk about in the two sixty two I
wrote about in that book, and it's that we live
in this hierical system with the three lives that we're told.
You know, this idea that we're better than yeah, or
(05:40):
lesser than the most confusing one, the most confusing why
that we're told since the time we come into this
world is that we're equal. Weren't equal, and there couldn't
be furthest from the truth. I think it's more honest
to say that we're different, yeah, is to say that
we're equal. Well, I see some people that you can
(06:04):
think of, some people are more privileged or are more opportunities,
and it's between men and women. I mean, where's the equality?
Speaker 3 (06:14):
Yes, yes, yes, yes, we would like equal rights and
equal opportunity. But not all of us are equal, because
if we embrace our own differently ableness, our own uniqueness,
we will understand there were all a different instrument to
the orchestra of life, and we're not all meant to
(06:35):
play the same instrument the same way. We all be
in our own beautiful flavor, our own indiosyncrasies that actually
add to the music, as long as we're willing to
play in harmony with each other.
Speaker 4 (06:47):
That's beautifully said, and it's so necessary. I'm also a painter.
I'm an artist, and I created a work of art
that that I refer to that it was all around
embrace each other's differences. And I know that's hard. Yes,
it's so challenging. This idea that we're equal, as often said,
(07:09):
from the same perspective as we're the same. Being the
same means we want to be alike mm hmm. But
what we're not now and we get triggered by differences.
We live in a society and that that human, the
denseness of our human collective that's still very much esconced
in the in the field of fear, the field of survival,
(07:33):
and this is yeah, survival we want, we want to
feel safe, And how do we feel safe by making
the other the same as us?
Speaker 3 (07:45):
Why? Why? Because then we're disappointed that they're not the same,
and all we're glad that they're not the same, and
it just brings out so many mixed emotions that why
can we not There's a beautiful word that I learned
a little what it called called flawsome and through our
(08:06):
lives where you know, we realize we're flawed, but or
maybe even cracked. The experiences crack our bowl of life,
and instead of looking at it as faulty, you know
it is a flaw that when the Japanese put the
balls back together with gold, it becomes more. Thing is said,
put yourself back together with love and with a bowl
(08:27):
now that has had many cracks, many life experiences, many
ups and downs, and you've put yourself back together with love.
You're unbreakable. Now you can take anything in that ball
because that love is what holds it together.
Speaker 4 (08:42):
Yeah, and it's movable, it's changeable to that all. It's
not rigid, that ball. Yeah rigid, And that's the thing
being a conduit for spirit. You know, these these define
and clear practices that we believe we have to do like.
I have a friend of mine who comes and he
(09:04):
gives me a list. It's almost like a bragging right,
so telling me that he meditates an hour a day
and he's doing this course and that training, and it
gives me the list of everything that he understands. And
after twenty minutes, I feel full.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
I'm exhausted, exhausted.
Speaker 4 (09:25):
Where's the sharing, where's the curiosity about my own meditative state?
But obviously I can't have one. I can't be on
par if I'm not doing the same thing. But I'm
not a regular meditator.
Speaker 3 (09:42):
Life is a meditation.
Speaker 4 (09:46):
I want to take pauses throughout the whole day, yes,
and remember to breathe throughout the whole day, and seeing
sense more so that I can notice when the walls
are closing in and when my own mind is is
negating my source energy when or in my bodies. You know,
(10:09):
there's I'm going I'm going through some changes. You know,
there's where put our house on the market. This with
our plan to move to the island so near you.
Speaker 3 (10:21):
Great move, you will not regret it.
Speaker 4 (10:23):
So looking forward to it. And there's a waiting period
and an anticipation period, and it brings up the past. Yes,
and it's not logical. My meditation in that is being
with the discomfort, and I teach that with people. I
(10:43):
teach that in the soul circle of membership, the group
that I do, being willing to stay, stay in the discomfort,
stay in what's showing up. Because we have so many
avoidance to energies. It's like wanting others to be like
(11:03):
us is an avoidance strategy. How we're avoiding their differences
or we're awarding ours. It feels awkward, it feels uncomfortable.
I have a different opinion than the other person.
Speaker 3 (11:15):
M yes, And you know, being uncomfortable it helps us
actually understand, well, if this is making me uncomfortable. The
big question is why now? Is it just because I've
already said goodbye to one place and I've just moved
here to Nanaimo from Victoria, so six weeks ago, so
(11:35):
I know about that trepidation. I was waiting a year
to find a place, and then when I found a place,
got to wait a couple of months before I move.
And it's like you feel in limbo, and you feel
in flax, and what you know, the what ifs want
to come in right and and it's like, sorry, no,
I'm going to a home that is my sanctuary. I've
been asking the universe for a sanctuary, for a place
(11:58):
that is I can feel at home in last time,
thirty fifth actual physical home. I've had other temporary ones,
but you know this is the last one. Thank you.
And instead of the trepidation, why don't we change it
to excitement? Right? And why why do we immediately go
to the fear or the worry of the anxiety. Yeah,
(12:19):
it's a pain and about to pack up and move.
The actual moving is little exhausting. I'm still unpacking and
trying to find places. But why don't we look at
it to the excitement? What if I meet new people?
What if I get to do this? What if I
get to do that? Right? Why do we automatically go
to the other side.
Speaker 4 (12:40):
Automatically? I've been conversing with these different parts of me,
and I came to realize it's very interesting. I've been
hearing that word a lot. Excitement. Oh I'm excited. I've
been I even hear myself say, and I heard my
husband say, and I've been here. Some women in the
(13:01):
two sixty two, you know, and in the different groups
they're so excited about something that I've been feeling extremely
reactive to that word. And I sat down, Why is
this word bothering me? Why is this feeling? Because I
need that? Asked Indea. The spirits that I channel, they
(13:22):
teach us to give our one hundred percent to life,
that we've got to engage wholeheartedly. What is excitement but
that full, wholehearted engagement. But it's really begin to trigger.
So I went in and I had a vague memory
of my mother saying that to me. We had another move. So,
(13:45):
just to give you an idea of where this is
coming from some context, I went to three kindergartens, three
grade ones, phil grade one, went to another grade one,
three grade twos. I mean what I mean by that?
Three different schools. Yes, So by the time I was sixteen,
I had gone to seventeen schools.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
I did five of them. That was Enoughteen was a
stranger everywhere you.
Speaker 4 (14:14):
Went everywhere, yeah, everywhere, and then and then the kids
would like me. For about a week. I was a
new thing. But then I was I was wounded, I
was timid. I had lost my mother young and there
was a lot of stuff going on at home. So
that's you know, how how can you maneuver that with kids?
(14:39):
And you know, everything is raw and they just want
you to be like them.
Speaker 3 (14:43):
Why aren't you.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Playing sports like us? And why aren't you fit in?
Speaker 3 (14:47):
Why aren't you fitting in? Didn't fit in?
Speaker 4 (14:51):
So yeah, I just came to realize that my my
mother must have used that. Oh Linda, it'll be so
exciting in school.
Speaker 3 (15:03):
Yet another one move.
Speaker 4 (15:07):
You know, well they split up or got back together.
My parents are, and I started to develop a distrust
of that. It's like this this idea of of of love,
you know, that word for some people to be trigger
because love came with abuse.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
False love. Yeah, yeah, yes, well I'm doing this because
I love you. I don't need that kind of love,
thank you very much.
Speaker 4 (15:39):
Yeah yeah, and and love from people that were unwell psychologically,
and so as a sensitive I would feel the incongruency
words and energy being two different things.
Speaker 3 (15:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
So so now I'm I'm just like, I have to
create my own relationship with excites my Yeah, my own
definition of that for myself in a somatic way, because
cognitively I get it, yeah, But somatically that's that's where
the gems lie. How can we digest these concepts by
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just this conversation. I think it's in the body somatically.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
I agree, Yeah, our body with the trillions of cells
that holes memories, especially wounded once and half the time
you go. But you know, I thought I cleared that.
Why has that come back? Oh? What the hell is this?
Now you don't And it's like we've got to understand.
(16:47):
For you know, I'm turning seventy this year, so I've
got a lot of memories in there and ain't so good.
And I thought I had dealt with them, and then
all of a sudden, you know, it comes up to
the surface. But it isn't coming up to the surface
to get it. It's coming up to the surface for
you to address it. And sometimes all you need to
(17:07):
do is just wrap some love around it and say
I've got you, I see you, I feel you, you
are safe. And we don't say that in a child.
We don't say that in a trauma, and very often
that trauma is unresolved. It will never be resolved because
sometimes all it needs is love, a loving hug of
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I'm there for you.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Yes, yes, that's it. Those cool wounds, they don't get
resolved well I did. I just went into therapy in
my mid twenties and I worked with it's incredible therapist
for five years. It was highly spiritual and it really
helped me attune to my intuition. And when I took
(17:56):
my training early late twenties and my and when I
started my counseling practice, I was setting out to heal,
which is to make better. We're resolving and we're getting
rid of this stuff. And I remember having a client
and she would say with me, we did a clearing
practice or deep energy healing, and she says, have we
(18:19):
gotten rid of it? Have we gotten rid of it?
And I could feel her whole body contract back together.
This isn't what's needed. No, this isn't what healing is.
Healing is not about. It's like, oh, you have a
sore arm, You're going to cut it off?
Speaker 3 (18:38):
Yeah exactly, I said. Can we can delete and get
rid of the emotion around it, but we can't get
rid of the memory of it. I think it's changing
the way we look at it, you know, you know,
it's the all added thing. Did it happen to me
or did it happen for me? What did I become
(18:58):
because of it? And I think if we can look
at it and go, yes, but out of that this
is how I grew and looking at it differently, you're
never going to change what happened, or maybe even the
feeling around what happened to a point. But what we
don't want is to become emotional around it, because that's
the emotion is what holds us back from becoming more
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than what we can be.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
Yeah, it's it's the well, let's call them false emotions
or different.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Like a memory emotions, and they always become more dramatic.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
And it comes from a false interpretation. Yes, So the
emotion just wants to flow through, wants to flow through,
and it gets stopped, it gets damned by these interpretations
that magnify and magnified and create really a contraction in
the body. Yeah, an unexpansion. Yes, thats and you mentioned
(20:02):
early around this whole concept of awakening, and there's I've
had many people come to me who've had awakened experiences
and they've touched the define, they've felt the love you're
talking about. They've felt it, that's unhindered love. And then
(20:23):
they said, but it fades and out. How do I
how do I maintain it or life, and it comes along,
and issues comes along, people come along, and they still
have to figure out how to self regulate and corregulate,
which is to be to be conscious of their themselves
and their environment. And I could see the attachment to
(20:45):
that ascendants. They could see that how do I get
back to their And I can see them experiencing so
much suffering because of the contrast. And I want to
make space for the contrast. I want to make space
(21:09):
for that excitement that we were speaking of earlier. And
the dread that lurks in the corner, the dread that says, well,
I can't trust that, you can't Oh, there's distrust here.
Where are we feeling that in the body? How much
(21:32):
space can we make for the distrust? Because the way
I see it, let's say that when we're in a
state of reaction, Let's say it's like having the front
door and back door and windows open.
Speaker 3 (21:46):
We've got a.
Speaker 4 (21:46):
Draft going on, and the papers on the desk are
flying about, and we've got to go and close the
door and close the back door of the window stop
the draft. You know, then what we end up doing
to compensate is we close everything off.
Speaker 3 (22:00):
MM hmm.
Speaker 4 (22:01):
I say to people, let's open the front door. Let's
open a conscious door. And when we open it, we
let in the gramlins, We let in the anger, we
let in the suffering, we let in the fear, We
let in that disbelief, you know, the core limiting beliefs
like oh you're here, of course you're here. We're going
through some changes.
Speaker 3 (22:23):
I don't believe we can do it.
Speaker 4 (22:28):
Welcome and and and then comes the divine, then comes spirit.
Then it's it. Then it's a love that is from
us but through us. And I think that's when you
talk about love, sir. I think that's what you're talking about.
I kind of love that's moving through you that you're allowing.
Speaker 3 (22:52):
Yes, yes, they would allow. I use a great deal.
And you know that allowing, very often is what I
call nothingness. There isn't a fault here at the prisonom
there isn't an action here at the present moment. It's
just a trust, I surrender, I allow, and in that
is that you can just feel, you feel I'm safe.
(23:14):
It's okay for me to be in a state of
nothingness right now and trust and allow for what will
be revealed is what I am meant to see and experience.
Even if it's not good, it's there for a reason.
And when you recognize it's not good, well, I don't
have to stay here. But why am I here having
(23:34):
this experience? There's always a reason behind things. The universe
isn't out to punish and get you. It gives you
these experiences to show you a how strong, resilient and
courageous you are and the abilities that you never thought
you had. But also in empathy and understanding of what
(23:55):
somebody else may be going through because you felt it
just for a moment, and in that understanding, you can
recognize it better in others and you can be more compassionate.
And I think that's whatever we go through in life.
Why is God doing this to me?
Speaker 4 (24:12):
Now?
Speaker 3 (24:12):
It's not to you, it's for you. What you made
out of it was your choice, unknowingly or knowingly, you know.
I call it the Fox News syndrome. They take a
pimple and make it into a volcanic eruption, right, And
we're inclined to do the same because we're all a
(24:34):
little melodramatic, right. And I can recognize that in me,
certainly with certain people that I know that I have
that trigger with and it's like I have to recognize
that perhaps I am making more out of this or
maybe it is just kind of being the blank slate
around them and not being you know, I have to
(24:56):
adjust the way I am, which why should I? Is
one question? But the other is they're not ready right.
Sometimes you just cannot be the full version of yourself
around people. Sometimes you just have to be a few
drops at a time before they trust what they're feeling
(25:18):
from you.
Speaker 4 (25:19):
Yes, And it's remembering in it we're strong and resilient,
we are Resourceful's remembering that, yeah, has that giving a
drop at a time. Well for me personally, sometimes it
leaves me feeling like unfulfilled. Yeah, and it leaves me
(25:42):
feeling repressed.
Speaker 3 (25:48):
Yes, Yes, so I think it's it's not an don't
do it all the time, Yeah, because that is short
periods of time with certain people, what the level they're at.
But you want to turn that tap on every time
you see them for a lot more drops. But don't
(26:11):
minimize yourself, you know, for everybody, sometimes that tap needs
to be full, flowing and pilling up the tank.
Speaker 4 (26:19):
Right now, I'm going to remember this image when I
find myself in those kinds of situations, especially with family.
I'm gonna just imagine the tap dripping and know how
in time that will fill, that will fills.
Speaker 3 (26:39):
And the thing is, it's always when it's family, it's
harder to deal with. Like if the friends or other people,
it's much easier. They're not ready. I'll leave the top
drip and come back when it's a bitful, But when
it's family, what you want to do is turn on
that full tap, you to feel like I feel. But
they're only ready for the But I understand, you know,
(27:06):
like every drop creates an ocean, every grain of sand
creates a beach, and allowed the time and allow the
journey that they're going through is the one they're meant
to go through. And what were and this I'm sure
you see when people kind of finally wake up to
this and they're so enthusiastic about it. They want everyone
to feel it. You got to feel like I'm feeling.
(27:27):
But we all wake up to it and become it
at our own stages of life. And we can't turn
run to other people and say, you know, we can
invite them to come and join us, but we can't
demand that they be where we're at because they're still
on their journey.
Speaker 4 (27:43):
My father taught me that years ago. I remember we
were on the phone and I was talking about my
younger sister and I'm like, why isn't you do therapy?
And I have great resources for her and she could
be seeing a healer and it's around something that was
occurring in her life. And he said to me, Linda,
your sister, isn't.
Speaker 2 (28:03):
You mm hm m h.
Speaker 4 (28:07):
Lesson after lesson of letting go of requiring others to
be like us and being adaptive to who they are,
which can feel limiting. And yet the word adapting, that
word is really ringing here for me right now. So
(28:28):
I think it's a generosity when when you're doing that
with family, when you're like, oh, I'm gonna I'm going
to lessen them the flow, yeah, or I'll accommodate my
energy for the other person. There's generosity in that there is.
Speaker 3 (28:51):
It's not sacrificial. It's understanding you could actually repel them
by being too much of who you are. They're not there,
they're not ready. You're too much of a force. And
so it's coming in as a general wave, right, not
a tsunami. And you know, like just letting the waters
(29:14):
brush their feet, right, and it's it's their journey. And
you know, I have a brother who's an author, and
his spirituality comes out in his books absolutely, but you
talk to me in real life he sounds like a
mookam No, it'll never work, no, you know, but when
he writes, you know, he's multi dimensional. And I have
(29:37):
a sister who is completely just black and white, right,
and it's it's this is the way you've got to
do it, and that is that right, and has never
got what I do. I'm very proud of you, but
do you know what I do? And so one time
she even called me a do good to communist, which
is I'm still trying to work out where that one
(29:58):
came from. But I am never going to get her
to truly see who, you know, what I do, though
she does see that I'm a better person for it.
So sometimes some people are never going to get there, right,
and you choose what I call a channel to work
(30:18):
with them on. We stay within that channel. I don't
go down there Pandora box of politics and the next
crisis that's going on that she thrives on, and I
don't go down, you know, the spirituality. So we stay
in a channel that we can thrive on and they
(30:39):
will find there. We find that as long as we
don't go out of our channels. Don't expect everybody to
be always on the same channel. It is a light
when you meet people that are right. I can be
utterly myself. It's wonderful. You're not being less than when
you're channeling with people where they're at, because they're still
(31:02):
being inspired by who you are, maybe not understanding what
you're doing, and maybe not even complimenting who you are,
but knowing that you a hole for it and that
rubs off in them in some way.
Speaker 4 (31:18):
Yeah, they may not know that consciously, Yeah, but it's
there in the field. It's their a shared field. If
we're not guarding ourselves against the differences, if we're not
letting the smaller bandwidth yes, shrink us even more. Like
(31:40):
we can take up all the space in that bandwidin
that channel, like you're saying, we can take all our
space there, just just not to the extent that maybe
we yearn for.
Speaker 3 (31:52):
Yeah, but how.
Speaker 4 (31:54):
Do we do that and stay connected to the yearning.
That's something that I've right in mystical intimacy is developing. Well,
there's a key message and throughout every chapter, and there's
(32:16):
a chapter all for this idea of connecting with our
longing or better said, to develop an intimate relationship with
our longing. Because that's easy to abandon. It's easy to
abandon pleasure and desire because the world of excitement that
(32:41):
it's pleasure in the moment we're in the disbelief, we're
not feeling the pleasure anymore. We're not feeling the pleasure
of anticipating, we're not feeling the pleasure of our dreaming
where and to me that that pulls us away from
our vision. It pulls us away from that please of
(33:02):
being an open conduit and open and clear conduit for
the divine centered center.
Speaker 3 (33:08):
Yeah, I think, because when we're centered, it doesn't matter
that chaos can be around us and it may hit
the outer skirts of ourselves, but when we're centered, we
can weather any storm. Yes, is so what we don't
want to be is off kilter from our center.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
I say to people, I say, no matter which way
you're pulled, and I'll do this physically. I'll just describe
it for your your listeners that are listening to audibly.
But I just rock left to right or front word
and forwards. So you could be pulled in any direction up, down,
(33:46):
But there's something that is consistent no matter what direction
you're in, and it's your axis. Yes, yes, it's always there.
Your center is eternal, it's always there. It hasn't abandoned you.
You're there. So how what do we need to cultivate
(34:11):
to stay connected to know that? Oh, there's my axis,
there's the pivoting. Yeah, so we know how much is
too much, how much is not enough? So we're listening
to that signaling from within.
Speaker 3 (34:26):
I mean sometimes we can feel like a spinning bowl
mm hmm. But the spinning bowl has always got that
center right, and it's like, don't get caught in the
outer skirts of the spin. Yes, right, come from when
we say from the inside out is from the core
of your being, extend out. You can weather those chaos.
I live a lot in chaos.
Speaker 4 (34:48):
Yes, well, these are ages of This is an age
of chaos.
Speaker 3 (34:51):
Absolutely, And do you find that it is out of
the chaos you produce some form of order and it's
not the human order and it's the divine order. And
that there's the difference. I think for a while. I
got caught up because I was born spiritual. I was
born playing with dead people and going multi dimension. I
(35:12):
was a very sick child, left alone a lot, so
a white room. This is why I'll never have white walls.
I would go off onto dimensions elsewhere and kind of
why don't other people do it? So I knew it
was always different and came that couldn't fit in. Then
spent the years and years and years of wasted time
trying to be what everybody else wanted me to be,
to be, you know, accepted by society, only to find.
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