Ep. 13- John Salley Gives a Man's Perspective on Sex and Dating

We are joined by thee John Salley. We we're called men bashers after season 1, and now it's time to get THE MAN'S perspective. It gets real candid. Join the conversation @SexInTheCityOfAngels

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex in the City of Angels podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to the Sex in the City of Angels.
We got four time NBA champion, producer, talk show hosts, philanthropists, entrepreneur,
and the first player ever to win a championship in

(00:35):
three different decades. It's an absolute pleasure to have you. Welcome,
mister John Sally. Yeah, all right, so this is Sex
in the City of Angels. I'm Kayla, I'm Aliah Kai.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I'm Dana, I'm norm Sawa and.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
We have John Sally here. We've been breaking down Sex
and the City episode by episode. We just wrapped up
season one and we are four single women in our
thirties dating today in the City of Angels. And a
little bit of the backlash that we got was they
thought we were man bashing when we were just giving
the women's perspective. So we need a man's perspective, and
what better perspective than the man himself.

Speaker 4 (01:20):
You guys love man bashing. I've been listening.

Speaker 5 (01:25):
We love men, We love men.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
So back in the day, yes, women were much more conservative.
And I love Lucy. They couldn't say she was pregnant.
They barely could sleep in the same bed. It was
just not a thing. Fast forward, watch a Sex and
the City. They're talking about blow jobs, threesomes, funky taste,
and spunk, all of the above, and now women are
showing up to the Grammy's ass naked. Do you think

(01:50):
that Sex and the City sexually liberated women? And do
you see that as a good or a bad thing?

Speaker 4 (01:58):
Wow?

Speaker 6 (01:59):
So the image of television and conservative women is because
the media was.

Speaker 4 (02:09):
Limited.

Speaker 6 (02:10):
We had three channels, ABC, NBC, and CBS, so what
they wanted to do. So NBC had Bill Cosby on it. It
used to stand for nutting, but Cosby. CBS was the
Tiffany Network and it had the game shows and merv Griffin.
ABC was Disney and it was you know, you watched that,

(02:32):
So they had a real stronghold on what was happening.
HBO was at the time the only place that you
could curse freely and show time at the time, but
it was HBO was big. It had Eddie Murphy come
out on his Delirious Show nineteen eighty two eighty three.

(02:56):
It was the place where you were getting more I
guess ranchi or what we wanted to call street. Then
the world changed and more outlets and when you had
more outlets trying to be very edgy and try to

(03:18):
get that edge. Then different things started to happen, and
Fox came about, and you had and Live in Color
and Martin in a citial hall and then.

Speaker 4 (03:28):
Bought Simpson.

Speaker 6 (03:30):
So what happened is more people started gravitating toward more
things that we called realistic. So as far as Sex
in the City, which was on HBO, it showed and
I don't know if we really have the Mondela Mandela effect.
Was it Sex in the City, a sex and the City.

Speaker 5 (03:52):
In the City, but the show is sex and okay.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
So uh all right.

Speaker 6 (03:59):
So so the idea that there was always single, there
was always a situation. I give you this, the mentality
that it was conservative. Then you would I would bring
you back to a movie called Breakfast at Tiffany's right.

(04:19):
She was a prostitute. So even though she was American's
dolling and she was, she was a prostitute. But it
was the way they presented that she was a prostitute.
And it was a lot of a lot of moves
in and out of that, and it was always a
woman having to go out to get a man, go
get you a husband, never, Hey, go find your wife.

(04:41):
That was an easy thing to do. But for a
woman to go get her a husband that wasn't going
to hit her in the head, that wasn't going to.

Speaker 4 (04:50):
Berat it.

Speaker 6 (04:51):
Everyone was going to do it. How you dress right now,
like I watch how you guys address it plays in
your mind when you go to work, where you want
to be in work gear or whether you want to
be Why can't you just wear the same thing everywhere?
So it became a huge fact that we're on the
radio and you and there's all women in this room

(05:12):
except for me and the videographer. Is also an amazing
thing that happened within the last twenty twenty twenty nineteen years,
to have women host the show, be in front of
the mic, work the board. That's it didn't happen. So
in a short amount of time, the mentality changed. I'm

(05:35):
glad you guys are watching it, but that it's it's
changed on how women are presented and going. You guys
are in charge of the workforce right The largest amount
of people in the workforce are females.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
So it's hard to do three, four or five things.

Speaker 6 (05:52):
Get a man, have a job, go to church, you
know it's you guys have so many things you have
pull y.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
I don't know. I didn't answer your question, but I
got my.

Speaker 5 (06:04):
No, I get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
It sounds like you're saying that more than sex and
the city has liberated women over time. Women are just
liberated over time for a lot of different factors.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
If you want to call it liberated.

Speaker 5 (06:15):
You don't think it's liberation, no.

Speaker 6 (06:17):
I think I think it caused a problem for you.
Well let me let me let me make sure the
wording is right. What I mean it caused a problem
for you. You now have to think and make a
choice whether you want a family or a career. Right,
and they is a liberating A man never had to
do that. A man he had a job, he had

(06:39):
a career, and he had a family. So it was,
you know, to liberate where we can we can now
do this. I don't know from what, Especially as people
of color, it took away from They wanted that to happen.
They wanted the strongest person in America Black women. They

(07:01):
are the most educated, they're the most feared, the most desired.
I mean, it's an amazing thing. So you run into
so many hats, you have to wear, But what hat
do you want to wear?

Speaker 7 (07:18):
Yeah, I think the conversation is going back to you know,
women recognizing that and saying, no, I want the I
want to find a provider and take care of that.
And now you're seeing the conversation and the just like
women are realizing that they were so to lie and
now certain men not all, but there are men like, oh,

(07:38):
you don't want a fifty to fifty guy, and having
these whole arguments. But it's just like, if we can
do it all by ourselves, we'll do it all by ourselves.
We don't need a man to come into our life
too make us pay half.

Speaker 4 (07:50):
You don't need a man.

Speaker 6 (07:52):
You would want one that doesn't feel he has to
have a conversation about fifty to fifty or provide. When
I when I see that on the TikTok, he's like,
I put that when I see it on TikTok and
on Instagram, it's a trip to not want to be

(08:12):
the alpha dog. To me when when I run into
a guy who doesn't think that way, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (08:19):
I'm not.

Speaker 6 (08:20):
You know, you can't say the wrong things supposedly, but
I don't dig a dude that doesn't want to be
in charge. You know, I'm I'm an alpha male in
a house full of females, and even though they get
their way when things in a certain way, it's like
called daddy, and I will and I'm one of those lions.

(08:41):
So I just don't get when when dudes, when yeah,
we put up fifty percent you want to be that's
so whack to me.

Speaker 5 (08:48):
That is whack. That is whacky.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Take take take her money, like you know, like if
you know that, the crazy thing is this show had
put you, guys in a position of competition more than
you've ever known.

Speaker 6 (09:06):
How many designer bags do you have? How many pairs
of Christian Loup patonons do you have?

Speaker 4 (09:12):
What? Like when you watched the show?

Speaker 6 (09:15):
The show put you into position to be more materialistic
than you were before. Like women liked nice things, but
you have to oh my god, I got a burken
Oh my god, he got to get a birk. That's
from the songs from the show. It was so well
put together for a subliminal seduction of females and the
female dollar that I don't even think you guys realized.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I can see that point, But I also I think
it was also liberating in so many ways where you know,
women were friends. There wasn't a competition between the four
girls on the screen itself. It was like I support you,
you support me. I want you to win, you want
me to win. And during that time, and I was
a young girl then, but I feel like women didn't

(10:01):
believe that they can do that for themselves. They believe
that they needed a man in order to attain these things.
I need a man so I can get my birkeen,
or I need a man so I can get my Loui.
And it's like, no, you just need a good job
and you could buy it yourself. So I feel like
women were taught from the show that they can be
successful and purchase things and use men the way men

(10:21):
use women, and you don't have to be objectified and
wait for a man to come save you.

Speaker 5 (10:26):
I disagree, Okay, all right, women.

Speaker 6 (10:31):
Were always able to buy things for themselves. But what
is one of the best things you've ever gotten in
your life? It's been a gift. So when you have
a necklace that someone gave you, a piece of that
as somebody brought you and it's a gift, it means
more to you. I can make it even to a
point during the fires, and my heart goes out to

(10:55):
all of them where people were going back trying to
get whatever. They were like, I really didn't pick up
this ring and it was a gift from my mom.
If they was like, man, I missed this ring, I
paid for it. No, you would have been like, I
got the receipt for that. It's on my credit card insurance.
You're going to replace that, so it was replaceable. It
was it's a false mentality of I can get this myself.

Speaker 4 (11:18):
I can. You don't want to.

Speaker 6 (11:20):
If I can get free stuff, I'm going to get
free stuff, and I want the free stuffy right. And
it's so funny when they keep throwing that word liberation.
Women have always been strong together sororities, church members, your cousins.
It's always been. It's just today wanted to act like

(11:42):
it was separate. And I believe, and I remember reading
this one place. It's not my wording, but I think
the Women's Right movement really attacked black women saying it
was a woman problem. It was never a woman problem.
It was a white woman problem. And so when you
watch the show, you see four people, but you see

(12:03):
four varieties of one person.

Speaker 5 (12:07):
That's very true.

Speaker 4 (12:08):
You didn't think I was ready for your show.

Speaker 5 (12:11):
You told me what it was.

Speaker 4 (12:13):
I was like, I can't wait. I've been waiting nineteen
years to say this stuff.

Speaker 7 (12:18):
So in episode one, men on the show said that
in your thirties, there is a mid thirties power flip.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Do you agree, Yeah, like women are more desperate because
our biological clocks are ticking and men have.

Speaker 5 (12:31):
All the power.

Speaker 4 (12:32):
Once again a white thing.

Speaker 5 (12:34):
So that's not a thing in our community. No, and
why not?

Speaker 6 (12:38):
Because the just like the black of the barrier, the
sweet of the juice. Sometimes when things age become better.
I told one of my daughters is close in her thirties.
You see how I worked at that time. I'm sitting
here with my daughter Tay, who's my road dog, and

(12:59):
I were things that I go. You see how I
said that, And she was like, Daddy, I'm getting married.
I said to who? And she went to pick the
guy and I said, he goes. You know, I got
to have a kid, And I said, I'm not babysitting.
I baby said, baby sat mine, So I'm not babysitting.
And she was like, oh my god, because I know
what's gonna happen. You're gonna drop it off and say

(13:21):
I was raised. Well, hey, this is the guy that
you know to raise you. And everybody's telling me grandkids
are better than the kids themselves.

Speaker 5 (13:29):
That's what they say.

Speaker 4 (13:30):
That's what they say. But just think about this, you guys.

Speaker 6 (13:34):
Get to a point where you think I have to
have this for this, and once again, it's because this
society of these people tell you where you're supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (13:49):
It's now.

Speaker 6 (13:49):
My mother had me at forty one, and by the
time I was nine, she was like, you know, she's fifty.
She was like, bro, I ain't got time to stay
up late and chase you. Be good in school, do
what you know, do what you're supposed to do. You
know what you're supposed to do now. I ran the
same thing with Taya because I had her late, but
she just kept getting caught and stuff. She was like,

(14:09):
I don't care. I was like, that's the problem. Stop
getting caught.

Speaker 4 (14:13):
Like I know you're going to do stuff. She was
sneaking out of the house one day. I was like yo.

Speaker 6 (14:17):
She was like, don't tell mommy, and then jumped the
fence and kept going like yo, no, respect for me, Like, yo,
you're cool with it, just don't tell her.

Speaker 4 (14:26):
She's going a trip.

Speaker 6 (14:27):
So I just I just think that the show. I
think it was great for fashion, because I love fashion.
I think it was a good It was good to
show you that women do like sex too, like you know,
growing up, you know, in the guy's mind, you know,
if a girl likes sex, she you know, was at SlutWalk,

(14:48):
not realizing that she's a human as you are. They
got the same hormones kicking at thirteen on both sides. Right,
the boy is horny as ever, the girl as horny
as ever. But they kept wanting you to think that
a woman was in a lesser position. Why in Africa

(15:09):
and other places, the female ran ran the tribe, you
know what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (15:15):
But they want to make you think that it was
only men, And it was.

Speaker 6 (15:18):
That was because it was developed and written and filmed
by men, but having strong queens. What is it calledbo
monkey is? Yeah, it is. It is run by a matriarch,
that's right. And how you how you solve problems in
that is orally So this is this is I love

(15:41):
that kind of monkeys. But yeah, you've just been pushed
and we've been told so many crazy things until you
see a movie like Woman King, Yeah, until you see
all the different I read comic books, right, and one

(16:04):
cool thing, My daughter got into comic books, but I
read comic books and when she was reading because she
was like, I love these right because women have strong
positions and they weren't pushed by some white man to
say you should do this and be this and know
your know your place. So I like that. You know human,

(16:25):
if you're human, that's that's more important to me.

Speaker 5 (16:28):
I love that.

Speaker 3 (16:29):
Thanks for sharing that women love sex and women are powerful.
And this goes along with my next question and episode one,
Charlotte tells us women to shut up and play by
the rules. Do you believe men are threatened by successful women?
And what do you think about that?

Speaker 4 (16:49):
Weak men are threatened by everything?

Speaker 5 (16:51):
Talk about it.

Speaker 6 (16:52):
So if you're if you're threatened without learning if it.
My mentality is if she can do it, she can
do it, But that doesn't mean she has to. I
know some women could you know, lift more weights than me?

Speaker 4 (17:08):
Right? Some women can drive better than me?

Speaker 6 (17:12):
Not many, but right, they can do all of these
things as good or better. It's just put into a
position that we thought. We've been told for so many
years they couldn't buy white men, but by black women
since the beginning of when they were putting them on television. Claudine,

(17:34):
she ran the joint by herself. And it's always been
my mom's worked two jobs. We all black people have
always people of color have always known that women were
a stronghold.

Speaker 4 (17:47):
We always knew it. It's just that in their.

Speaker 6 (17:53):
In their television or in their writings, there's always a
woman with second fiddle or always a damn soul distress.

Speaker 7 (18:03):
So go ahead, now, like going back, do you think
that women believe that they couldn't They weren't as strong enough.
And that's why we believed the whole societal construct because
men you acknowledge that, you recognize women were strong, but
did we forget Yeah?

Speaker 6 (18:22):
Plus, do you put in a position women's sports, right,
women's sports? Who's going to watch women's basketball? Now, women's
basketball is more entertaining, It's always been more entertaining than
men's basketball. But they go, well, you you know they
can't dunk. Well, neither did most of the men. Only
a certain amount of them couldunk. It just was they

(18:45):
were pressed down and pressed. I worked at a place
called Fox, and all of the women when they wanted
to move up had to dye their hair blonde. They
just didn't realize. Did you realize that all the women
on Fox, when they were in a strong position or
they got their own show, they got blond hair.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
I didn't notice a blonde hair. I didn't notice that
black women can't wear their natural hair. They have to
wear street hair.

Speaker 6 (19:05):
But I didn't notice, not even the fact that they couldn't.
They were in their brain that it wasn't attractive. It
was pushed to this is not attractive. And everywhere I
go with Taya, the first thing they mentioned is her hair.

Speaker 5 (19:21):
And it's fabulous.

Speaker 4 (19:22):
And it's fabulous.

Speaker 6 (19:23):
And then people, because we've always put in the position
of you, you have a certain part to get to.
And then there was a ceiling, and now that ceiling.
Thank god to this show Sex and the City. The
show Sex in the City.

Speaker 4 (19:41):
You got you.

Speaker 6 (19:42):
Ladies are realizing this is the only bound by what
they tell you, and if they have position to bound you.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
One of the things that they say on the show
is that women are single in their thirties because by
the time you get to thirties, there's not that many
great single men. Some of the girls on the show say, like,
trying to find a relationship is like banging your head
against the wall.

Speaker 5 (20:04):
We're taught to like settle, lower.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
Our expectations, forget how strong we are, Like, you know,
things have shifted in our mindset for women, but men
don't have that same pressure, like to settle or whatever
the case might be. So as a man, like, how
do you know when you found the one? When it
comes to like dating cultures and commitment and settling.

Speaker 4 (20:20):
Down, you want to get me in trouble? Why does
there have to be one?

Speaker 5 (20:27):
Okay, so elaborate on that.

Speaker 6 (20:35):
Everyone will say you have They'll use the crazy word
soul mate. You got a lot of soulmates. Yeah, right,
a bunch of soulmates. It's not just one soul one person.
And when they talk about settler, what they really mean
is you didn't get the one you wanted, so you

(20:57):
have to settle for what's available.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I got.

Speaker 6 (21:02):
I told my wife I shouldn't have married I took
away her twenty so I married her when she was
twenty three. She had her first baby at twenty five
or something like that.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Something and.

Speaker 6 (21:15):
You know, we opened a relationship when she was twenty
eight twenty nine because she hadn't had our twenties. In
the twenties. You know, most people don't live past sixty.
Seventy is a long time, but sixty five is the age.
At one time it was forty one. So it's just
life in general. When you have when you have people

(21:37):
tell you how you're supposed to be and this is
the way you pose the work in this construct, it's
just not the same. I mean, every seven years you
become a new person. All your selves are change all
your views or change your clothes, don't fit, your cars,
breaking down, everything changes, and they want you to stay
in this construct, which is so different now than it

(22:02):
was when I was born. And when I was I
was coming up into this. When I was on radio,
I had a Nanda Lewis as my co host, and
and Ananda was a host on MTV. She was had
her own TV show, she was a host on BT.
There was this woman power, power, power power, And then

(22:26):
they got this thing where okay, we don't want you,
we don't need certain things, or they they just wash
you out. Okay, now we got to get a younger
thing inside here. That's just a mentality of people in power.
So as far as where you what did you say?
You said, settle for it. Man, don't settle. I'm telling you,

(22:48):
find you a strong guy. They're everywhere. There's eight billion
people on the planet. Get out of get out of
the hole. You know, look outside, not saying you should
look outside your race, because you know, even if you
do this, you're going to find the energy of a

(23:11):
person that match your energy that you want to be around.

Speaker 4 (23:14):
Period.

Speaker 2 (23:15):
So is it like the one for right now and
just like one one day at a time, like not
really looking for a lifetime commitment.

Speaker 6 (23:23):
Well, commit to yourself, be the best person you can
possibly be. You know, my father told me marry the
one who loves you and hope that her father taught
her the same.

Speaker 5 (23:33):
That's very sweet. I like that. I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
Doctor Wendy always says, and I've been working Awarding for
about three years that when Death Do Us Part was created,
death was pretty emminent, meaning that we live much shorter
life spans, and it's a little bit more unrealistic in
today's time to think that you can be with the
same person for you know, sixty years. We're living a
lot longer now, So it's just it's just a little
bit harder.

Speaker 6 (23:53):
Now, do you know, going with the wind. They were
fourteen years old. Wow, she was a fourteen years that's
why she had mammy. Yeah, And they had to take
naps in the middle of the day. They were fourteen
years old. They were dying at thirty forty one. And
their job was to pro create, to give this man

(24:13):
a child another man child, to keep your family bloodline going.
So there was less people, and it was ways that
you were set up right, and you were set up
just to build a family for farming, and the cities
came about in factory came about, and then more racism,

(24:38):
so that had a lot of play inside of it.
But if you find somebody like you, look for a commitment.
I always say this, people lie for no reason. They
lie for no reason. I was like, you know, if
I got a lie to you, if you can't be
honest and loyal, you know, cool. But who you to

(25:00):
tell somebody what to do with their time on the planet.
So if somebody wants to do something else and you go,
oh my god, I can't believe you cheated on me,
that's crazy too. That mentality of what you call cheating,
like if you want ice cream but you don't want
ice cream, or I want to get some ice cream
and you're not around to get ice cream with me,
and then I go to the ice cream pilot?

Speaker 4 (25:23):
Did I cheat on you?

Speaker 7 (25:24):
You ever love someone so much that you didn't want
to share them?

Speaker 6 (25:29):
If you love them that much, you would want the
whole world to share to know how good it is?

Speaker 5 (25:34):
Wow?

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Right? It keeping? What to yourself?

Speaker 5 (25:39):
Mhm?

Speaker 7 (25:41):
Okay, Well, the show also encourages women to have sex
like men, and what are your thoughts on that? On
women having sex like men?

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Okay, what's that mean? No? No, no, no, I know exactly
what you mean. But men, Okay, it's like multiple partners.
I know my daughter was, she had a microphone.

Speaker 5 (26:11):
Oh low, other expectations.

Speaker 6 (26:14):
This is what I say. Life is about experiences. And
if you have a girl who hasn't had experiences, you're
and you're a dude, and you're not teaching them how
to do certain things sexually, you're going to be bored.
Or if she has been told and reared to believe

(26:35):
only certain things are to be done, that guy is
going to find something to do. They want to be
they want to be different, like I don't want to
I don't want to curse, but you can. I heard

(26:55):
this gay guy one say, which was a trip. He
said straight sexes is boring and I was like, why
would you say that? And he was like, do you
eat ass? And at the time, I was like, huh
as boring? Like that even shocked you and I and

(27:16):
I was like, wow, you're right, Like I wouldn't.

Speaker 4 (27:19):
I didn't think that way.

Speaker 6 (27:20):
I was thinking you had to be a certain way,
and this is going to go like this, and this
is going to move like this. And then I hear
you know, I watch comedians talk about man, I got
three minutes, You're getting three minutes and that's it, and
I'm going to sleep.

Speaker 4 (27:33):
You know. Bernie Mac used to do a.

Speaker 6 (27:34):
Whole act like that, and I always laughed because I'm
a different kind of lover. I'm I'm a pleaser. I
want you to not know where you are. I want
your legs to wiggle, I want you to be on
cloud nine. I want you to float down, wake up.
I then it'll be like what she just said, Okay,

(27:58):
no one else can have you. That's that's where my
ego comes in and being a lover.

Speaker 3 (28:04):
Uh that.

Speaker 6 (28:13):
Sexually, I don't believe anything is off what my man say.
I think sex is on a spectrum, So I don't
think anything should be left out if you want to
do it and try it. I don't like anything near
my anus personally, I don't. I don't like fingers. I'm

(28:35):
not in the pagan that's me a tongue. Yeah, but
like to a certain point, like certain things I know
I don't like, and they go, how do you know
you don't like it? Well, I wipe my ass.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Sex and the City normalized, that, they said, and when
to ask it on the menu, like eating ass was normalized.

Speaker 5 (28:58):
I attributed to Sex and the City.

Speaker 6 (28:59):
Person I've always I used to have own a lot
of porn, and then I had kids and so a
lot of it had to be destroyed, a given away.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
And and and.

Speaker 6 (29:12):
I know you're tripping because my daughter's right here. Let
me tell you, if this was my son, no one
would trip. That's exactly why i'm the same way I am,
because this is life and you have to be able
to deal with life. And if she's a freak, she

(29:33):
gets it, honestly, because it definitely came from.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
The gen.

Speaker 6 (29:39):
But it's also it's also an important thing that you
don't criminalize, if that's the right word for it, or
throw in as soon as we get to this thing
and they throw in God and stuff that trips me out,
you know, they start throwing in well, you know, as

(30:03):
a Christian, I don't want to hear that because as
a human, before you any religion, what you feel like
as a human, that's how I feel, and if you
feel you should try and do it. One of my
teachers used to say, don't knock it till you try it.

Speaker 2 (30:19):
Well, they do say gods should be the center of everything,
even sex, thank god.

Speaker 4 (30:25):
Oh my god, Oh my god? Is that right?

Speaker 2 (30:29):
So shifting a little bit from sex and it comes
to like dating and the person that you're going to
have on your arm. And episode two there's men on
the show who talk about only dating models, like they
won't date a women who's a successful lawyer who owns
your own business. Okay, you agree with that? Is that
because having a beautiful woman on your arm is bragging
rights to other men? What does that do for you?

Speaker 6 (30:49):
Oh, it's so funny. I used to only date models.
That's not true, that that is not a true statement.
I did a lot of model or girls that thought
they were modeled, or girls who were revered as beautiful.

Speaker 4 (31:10):
The deal is not having them on your arm, is
getting them.

Speaker 6 (31:14):
So as a guy, right, you go to so I
tell you know, it's it's funny if Taya doesn't go
to clubs. She just went started going to clubs like
a little while ago. And I said, you like them, No,
she don't like all those people around it. And then
we hung out on the during the Grammys and and uh,
and she.

Speaker 4 (31:31):
Helps me because you know, I'm still a dude.

Speaker 6 (31:34):
I'm still I'm still a man with with with fangs.
You know, I'm still a wolf. And so when I
go out with my daughter, I'm going, oh, this is
my daughter Taya. So even when I'm in my brain,
you know, oh I could I this is my blocker.
Which is a cool thing for me because I used

(31:57):
my abilities when I was younger. Well, I used my popularity,
I use my money, I use my status, you know,
to get to where what you think you want to
get to.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
But most of the time, guys with this girl. And
that's why.

Speaker 6 (32:13):
Athletes are actors, all these entertainers dating the same girl
because they eat what was in the fishbowl. It's in
this fishbowl, and those are the same women. It's not
like they're not passing them side to side. Those are
the only women on the other side of the velvet rope.
And they got to be worth something if he's spending
so much time with it. So that's when that comes

(32:34):
into But I just thought I thought that in it.
But I'm just telling you, it's not having them on
your arm. It was always in people's mentality ability to
get it.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
When I got married.

Speaker 6 (32:50):
The night of my marriage and I had the best
party in Detroit, my wife said to me, I'm macked
and mac dad, and I was so pissed that I
left the room and went to the party and my
brother's like, what are you doing here. I was like,
you ain't gonna believe it. This bird just said to me.
But I was she was right, you know. I was
at a point where she she convinced me to do vowels,

(33:17):
and I never thought that was going to be me.
I've always said, yo, I want a couple of kids.
I'll give you a crib. But you know, varieties of
spice of life. I haven't been there every country yet,
you know, I haven't been to Ethiopia to see them
do their dance. I haven't been to Ghana yet. I
haven't hung out in Nigeria yet. I haven't been to

(33:39):
Guam or to Granada. You know, I thought she messed
it all up?

Speaker 5 (33:45):
But what about her?

Speaker 7 (33:46):
Mean?

Speaker 5 (33:46):
Do you want.

Speaker 4 (33:47):
To I h.

Speaker 6 (33:52):
I had this crazy dream and in the dream, this
is a trip that had this dream, and then all
of a sudden, these women return into zombies and the
only way to get rid of them is they had
to have their throat cut from left to right. I
know it sounds crazy, but the steam would come out.

Speaker 4 (34:10):
I know.

Speaker 6 (34:11):
I had somebody read the dream, and then my brother
had to get security and they able to teenage ninja turtles.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
I hadn't even smoked weed yet, and they kept joking around.

Speaker 6 (34:23):
I go, you can't be joking around the seriously, he's
brought to trying to kill me. And the doctor was like, yo,
you have you block everything with comedy, even though it
strong used comedy to block everything, and the fact that
you have different women that you're dating, only steam is
coming out of them. They're not zombies, You're not cutting them.

(34:46):
It's just they don't have the same thing. The difference
is my wife was young, and she wanted kids, and
she wanted to play house, and she didn't go out,
and she was everything different than everything I was used
to dealing with. And I say it all the time,

(35:07):
I should not have gotten married. I wasn't at the
time marrying material.

Speaker 4 (35:14):
And I said, when I get older, i'd be better.
I'm better. I'm just not. I'm better.

Speaker 6 (35:20):
But I also have always been truthful, and women are
not used to a lot of Let me take that back,
people aren't used to the truth. Yeah, I learned from
the Dali Lama honesty without compassion is brutality. So I'm
no longer brutally honest. I'm compassionately honest.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
May I ask how old you were when you got married?

Speaker 4 (35:49):
Twenty eight?

Speaker 5 (35:52):
That is pretty young. Okay. So to circle back a little.

Speaker 2 (35:56):
Bit to the show and and sex. In one of
the episodes, there was a man who met a woman
who was perfect for him in every sense of the way.
They were comfortable with each other, they laughed together, they
had an amazing conversation, they had amazing sex. But when
they were out in public, he didn't want to introduce
her to his friends.

Speaker 5 (36:16):
He said that she's not physically.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
Attractive, she's not really beautiful, so he can't really settle
down with her, be with her in public. Is that
a thing like, no matter how perfect you are compatibility wise,
if you're not physically attracted to someone, is that like,
I cannot settle down with this person although they make
me feel so good.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
First thing you have is a physical attraction.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
But they had sex even though he wasn't physically attracted
to her, so he.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
Was first attraction to anyone. It's physical because you know,
you see that person with your eyes and then your
brain makes down on what you consider to be beautiful.
So if you look at somebody and they don't you're
not physically attractive, like you don't look at them and

(37:02):
think I want ahead, like right, then you're gonna always
look for what's physically attractive to you.

Speaker 5 (37:11):
So that was the storyline.

Speaker 2 (37:12):
Then that's not something that happens in reality, because if
you're not physically attracted to that person, you may have
sex with them because your horny, but you're not about
to spend time with them or connect with them combat compatibly,
like you're not gonna laugh with them.

Speaker 4 (37:23):
No, you're gonna do everything else.

Speaker 6 (37:24):
You're just not gonna be physically attractive, okay, right, Like
so it's it's different for black men though, I'm gonna
tell you that too. You know, Bell Biv Devois say
you can't trust a big button a smile, but you
will there. Like even it's so funny because even they

(37:47):
even do it now on TikTok and Instagram. When you
see Africans or Caribbeans, all the girl has to do
is turn around and walk away.

Speaker 4 (37:55):
And that is like God, men said say this.

Speaker 6 (38:01):
And the reason I couldn't wait to do this show
is because I always said when I was doing radio,
it's always best to tell the truth, right because it's
my truth. But if you tell your truth, you will
find your tribe.

Speaker 4 (38:14):
You know why.

Speaker 6 (38:17):
And I used to wonder why why they cover in
Saudi Arabia, Why did they cover everything but the eyes?

Speaker 4 (38:26):
I used to wonder why they wore a barker? And
I know.

Speaker 6 (38:28):
So your woman is not showing up a body because
men cannot control themselves. That is the true statement. A
guy sees breasts and a butt, he he has, he
loses blood here his brain doesn't does something different. But
I've realized that girls. Guys see girls from the nose down.

(38:54):
If you picture what I'm telling you, they see from
the nose down, and in april they cover the nose
in the mouth and down and leave the eye. So
you have to imagine between the eyes.

Speaker 4 (39:07):
But a guy only really sees the girl from the
nose down.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (39:12):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (39:12):
The eyes are the window to the soul.

Speaker 4 (39:14):
Though, right, But they don't want to look in their eyes.

Speaker 5 (39:16):
They don't give a damn about the soul.

Speaker 6 (39:17):
They they went orgasm as just as quick and out
as possible.

Speaker 7 (39:23):
So for men, you would agree that, okay, attraction is
the first thing, But what about for women? Would you?
Because I think like attraction can grow, Like in my
personal I've seen guys that I wasn't so attractive, but
the way they carried themselves, the way they pursued me
in me, you know, the attraction went where I'm like, Okay,
there are a lot more than just the physical.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
But you didn't stay I did? You did?

Speaker 7 (39:49):
I did?

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Well? This is funny.

Speaker 6 (39:51):
So when I was younger, I didn't think I was attractive.
I thought I was funny, and I thought I had
a good body, and I thought I was intelligent enough
to carry on conversations, right, And then when I got
some money, I started believing I was better looking. And

(40:13):
then but I was getting better looking because I was
getting facials. My haircut was all the time, my clothes
fit perfectly, I was wearing tailor made stuff. My confidence
had built, and I realized that women love confidence. But
you got to have something that they're attracted to some
point to look at, because a woman is wanting to

(40:35):
look at and she goes and you can just look
at like I say this all the time.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
If a guy has a really.

Speaker 6 (40:41):
Really good body and you're watching him work out and
he turned around and his face is but ass ugly,
you're not going to be attracted, just not because you
you're just not.

Speaker 4 (40:54):
You got to look at that all the time.

Speaker 6 (40:56):
His body is dope and he's got money, but he
ugly till you right, So attraction on that side too.
In the animal world, right when of the first thing
is everything. I found this out in our backyard when
we lived. And then see you know the bird with
the nicest and the prettiest feathers with the males, and

(41:19):
that's in everything. Like they have to put on a
show and they have to impress the female in order
to procreate with them.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
So you got to always impress.

Speaker 6 (41:30):
You gotta keep you got to keep it moving, you
gotta you gotta work on your looks.

Speaker 4 (41:36):
You have to work on staying fit.

Speaker 6 (41:40):
And that's mainly to help you stay alive, but it's
also to give you confidence.

Speaker 7 (41:47):
Why do you think women get the bad rap for
looking at a man and being attracted to his way
of being able to provide financial security? And with men
they're physical. Looking at a woman's physical, that's considered just
a preference. But between the two, would you agree they're different?

Speaker 6 (42:02):
Yeah, I tell you this. When if I'm a man
with daughters and do I want him to be with
the guy who works at the gas station or the
guy who owns the gas station.

Speaker 4 (42:20):
Right?

Speaker 6 (42:20):
So I want them to be with a guy who
owns the gas station.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
Right.

Speaker 6 (42:25):
So if any guy man, she only around you for
the money, that's so crazy because your parents do not
want you to struggle and and and you don't want
to struggle.

Speaker 4 (42:36):
You want to It.

Speaker 6 (42:37):
Says a lot when a guy has things is if
he hasn't been given him, that means that he has
worked for him. And that's the kind of guy you
want to be around the one who not can just
give it to you, but the one who works for
it because he wants better.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
John, our girl Carrie put all her eggs in her
big basket while he was dating other women. She asked,
do men have an innate aversion to monogamy? This monogamy
too much to expect in a world of limitless possibilities.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
I think so.

Speaker 6 (43:16):
I can't even spell monogamy. And I didn't like it.
I didn't like it. I didn't like the thought process
of it. I didn't my wife had to deal with
a lot of stuff and it may seem bad, but
you know, I said, hey, I just I didn't like it.

(43:37):
I didn't like you know, it was amazing too. When
I got married, everybody was like, what are you doing?
And I had just got traded to Miami from Detroit.
But I missed a lot, thankfully, I missed a lot
of shots and a lot of things I could have been.
You know, I missed a lot. But I ran into

(43:59):
a lot too. But I missed a lot, and uh,
it just it was a blessing. It was as like,
let me tell you, not having a family, I go
back and start thinking Okay, if I could change my life.

Speaker 4 (44:14):
What would I do? And I realized a couple of
things I would tinker with.

Speaker 6 (44:20):
But then I wouldn't have these women with my you know,
I wouldn't have my daughters. Yeah, and that that I
had to think of all the time.

Speaker 4 (44:28):
I think about it all the time.

Speaker 6 (44:33):
I wanted to have sex in every country with that whatever.
That native right, that was my thing. I was like, man,
I have fifty kids and fifty different I know it's
crazy and I don't even have kids like that, but

(44:53):
I wasn't. I had a joke, but I don't want
to know it.

Speaker 5 (44:58):
But thank you.

Speaker 3 (44:59):
Thank you so much for your honesty. I appreciate that.
And you know what, to an extent I do. I
understand that argu men that it's unfair to put so
much responsibility on your one partner. They should make you happy,
have great sex, be your friend, be your therapist. So
I completely understand that. Thank you for that honesty.

Speaker 2 (45:21):
Do you think if men were conditioned a little differently,
like if you were growing up with a male example
of the idea of monogamy and one woman and how
to maybe not feed into those animalistic preferences.

Speaker 6 (45:32):
That's so I was raised and my mother was a
Jehovah witness, and it was very restrictive. And the crazy
thing is they take a lot of your time, so
doing what they want you to do, so you don't
have a lot of time. And when you do it,
you got to be quick, and you know I'm not quick,

(45:54):
So I just it just you have to run into
this man, this thought on how you're supposed to be
where it's supposed to be, this is supposed to be this,
and I just it's just not like that. Just life
is just to me, it's not black or white, it's
the whole rainbow of everything. So I didn't like it.

Speaker 4 (46:14):
I don't. I didn't like the restraint.

Speaker 6 (46:16):
My mother used to say things to me, and I
used to be like, when she well, you're gonna do
it my way while you're in this house, I couldn't
wait to lead her.

Speaker 3 (46:27):
See so what I'm listening or what I'm hearing, is
that you don't believe in playing by the rules.

Speaker 6 (46:33):
I don't believe in, uh there being rules, so not
playing by who made the rules?

Speaker 4 (46:40):
I don't like that.

Speaker 6 (46:44):
And she didn't have curfew. She called me one time
she before, I don't have curfew, do I? And I
was like, not here right, and she had to run
into Yeah, but I had a phone curfew. But but
she also was for bost in positions at a young age.
Maybe she shouldn't have been to or seen things she

(47:05):
maybe shouldn't have seen at a young age. But I
believe you learned from it, right, I do. I believe
you learn from every experience. But I'm also and then
she also can fight and she can run, and you know,
it's just maybe I put her in too many adult
positions at the wrong time.

Speaker 2 (47:24):
Yeah, just given her the reality. I mean, it's funny
you mentioned the rules because the girls on the show
talk about the rules, and specifically in one episode where
Carrie's getting ready to go on her first date with
mister Big and she's dressed like sex, she looks really good.
The girls talk about are you going to have sex
with him on the first night, and Charlotte, the conservative girlfriend,
mentions the rules, like, if you have sex with him

(47:45):
on the first night, the relationship will never evolve past that.
Do you believe that people can have sex and have
that physical connection on the first night and then grow
to be committed or married, like is that out.

Speaker 6 (47:55):
One hundred have sex first for the first night. You
should have sex first, because what if it's whack? What
are you going to build? What are you going to do?
Play cards?

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Do connections make sex better?

Speaker 6 (48:10):
You should already you know what I used to say,
I already had sex with the girl when I when
I decided, oh she's dope and that you look her
up and down and it's all I've already had it.

Speaker 4 (48:22):
The going through with the act of it was you know,
what if? What if? What if she's not all?

Speaker 6 (48:30):
What if she's what if she's frigid, what if she's
what if you have to deal with every other what
if all the blood on you is from the cuts
of other men? Sexually, you're not gonna You're not gonna
want to build with that person.

Speaker 2 (48:49):
Well, yeah, you can't buy the vehicle without test driving
it first. But is that a first day thing or
like maybe three dates in not now we test drive
the vehicle. I need to see if I like you
as a person for like, maybe maybe I'm just physically
attracted to you.

Speaker 5 (49:02):
Maybe I need to know.

Speaker 6 (49:03):
Some of the best sex has been one night for
men and period. Yeah, some of the best sex has
been in Vegas. No one knows fake name secrets.

Speaker 4 (49:16):
Some of the best sex.

Speaker 5 (49:18):
Not a fake name.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
Well what about that chase though, isn't there something about
that chase that makes someone more desirable and makes you
want to hold on to them once you have them
versus again?

Speaker 6 (49:27):
I cannot hold on to anything. The only thing you
own on this planet is this breath you're about to take.
When you let that breath go, it's now no longer
your breath. You own nothing. And the craziest thing is
you can be gone tomorrow in a second, in five minutes.

Speaker 4 (49:49):
So holding on is you should live the life. If
you feel like doing something, do it.

Speaker 5 (49:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 7 (49:58):
So, if you could share one truth about dating, one
truth from a man's perspective, what would.

Speaker 3 (50:04):
You say, truth?

Speaker 4 (50:07):
Give me an example.

Speaker 7 (50:09):
Something about dating, like one thing that you've learned that
you would Yeah.

Speaker 6 (50:14):
You don't own anyone. Yeah, so you said that's my
man or my girl. No, you don't. You own nothing.
And you don't know that upbringing. You don't know. You
don't know what that parent have done. You don't know.
I'm married into a family. Not everybody is my favorite.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Well I feel so okay, So you have sex on
the first day, the mystery is kind of gone, right,
So the mystery of like, do you think that a
woman who is like somewhat unavailable, maybe like a little
bit more elusive, maybe mysterious, is that more attractive or
more desirable?

Speaker 5 (50:59):
Or is a woman that put it all out there?

Speaker 6 (51:00):
Is that?

Speaker 2 (51:01):
Is that something that could be equally as attractive as
the mystery?

Speaker 4 (51:04):
I like, I used to like talking.

Speaker 6 (51:08):
So when you talk and talk and talk and talk,
and you're not in a position, you will know then
from the conversation if it's somebody you want to be
naked with. And then when you get to that point,
you have built up all of the conversation and found
out what they like, what's your favorite color?

Speaker 4 (51:25):
What do you like to do? Do you like?

Speaker 6 (51:27):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Do you what are things you love to do? I
like to go shopping? Are you a liar? Right? Yes?
As soon as the girl tells you, yeah, I lie you.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
That's that's the most honest You gonna be right. You're
gonna once you get to know and hear, because even
if you don't have sex with that person and you
wait a whole year, or you know, I know some
people who met and they didn't have sex until they
got married, and they wasted time because finally got to it,

(52:06):
it wasn't They were still going out trying to find
They were trying to find what's satisfied because sex was
whack okay, and you don't want that because the only
time you the closest you're going to get to God
is in augasm.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
M I believe that's funny.

Speaker 7 (52:26):
You talked about history though, but does a woman's sexual
history matter? Does that play into your.

Speaker 6 (52:40):
Corinne Stephens superhead, right, Elizabeth is one of my really
good friends. Send him in Love Point Star one of
my really good friends. And I was friends with them

(53:01):
and I learned so much from talking to them.

Speaker 4 (53:08):
No, like.

Speaker 6 (53:10):
I think your experiences are your experience. You know, just
a lot of grandmamas out there that were porn stars
and holes in the eighties, not grandma, and grandma is
holding your kid and given you wisdom. But once again,
that's the rule thing, and that's the society or whatever

(53:31):
is telling you how you supposed to be.

Speaker 4 (53:34):
And at that point.

Speaker 6 (53:38):
We look at I'm going to give you old name
Liz Taylor, Right, Liz Taylor had like eleven husbands or
something like that, nine something husbands because she was too
proude just to have sex because it.

Speaker 4 (53:49):
Was the image. Well it was my husband.

Speaker 6 (53:52):
No, I divorced him and I married him, and then
I voiced him and I married him. When you could
have just kicked it with all of them and not
had any marriage. But marriage was such an important thing
to say, well, I'm not fornicating, I'm married.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
So I think just those rules the way to get
around it, and how is whack? And I think I
think the more experience you are, the better you may
be at having sex or keeping that person to only
want to have sex with you.

Speaker 5 (54:28):
Wow.

Speaker 3 (54:29):
Yeah, John, we know you've been married since ninety three,
over thirty years. You mentioned that you shouldn't have gotten
married so young, But what would you say has made
or has helped you have a lasting marriage.

Speaker 6 (54:45):
She's crazy. I wouldn't stay. I wouldn't have stayed married
to me, Like I said that.

Speaker 4 (54:54):
I said it before.

Speaker 6 (54:55):
We guys said hey, I'm not the marrying type and
she said, nah, I'm Catholic.

Speaker 4 (55:00):
I can't just shack up. And I got it.

Speaker 6 (55:01):
I said okay, and then she said I should have
taken your first offer. Oh my god, but you know
it was a We went the marriage counseling and by
the third day I did what I'm doing right now,
and the counselor said, you don't have to come back.
And she said, isn't he going to grow out of that?
And she goes, people grow into what he is not.

(55:25):
And I am to the point, like I said, I
stopped being brutally honest and I'm more compassionately honest. And
I realized some things should go better left un said.
And my wife would say, you know, your problem is
you like the hoes like you sit around and talk
to him and do it like you don't just hit
and go like you want to know him. And I

(55:49):
don't have guy friends. It's just one. They always want
to compete, which they can't Jesus they can't. They can't compete,
and but they're going to try to compete, and then
they're going to try. No, they try to take what
you're working on. I had a dude who was close
to me at one time, and if I walked in

(56:11):
and saw a girl, I would pick another girl and
literally be like, Yo, I'm gonna go to the bathroom,
make sure my breakfast right. Don't let anybody talk to
this girl right here, like I walk up to her.
You know, my man would say something to stay right,
and I would go in the bathroom and do nothing
and come back.

Speaker 4 (56:30):
And I know he was on A thousand, So I.

Speaker 6 (56:33):
Can go to the girl I wanted to because that's
the only way you were going to because in the
nightclub it was like who who's leaving with somebody and
who's not?

Speaker 4 (56:42):
Yeah, you gotta still go to Barry's. Where do they
go after the club? Here?

Speaker 5 (56:49):
I'm not really.

Speaker 4 (56:51):
Know how you guys meeting people.

Speaker 5 (56:54):
We're not from here. Yeah, we're from Jersey, me and
my sister and organically happy hour. It ain't been easy.
I mean thee data I.

Speaker 4 (57:02):
Don't just online dating is crazy to me.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
That's also my question for you, just like the Actually
the final question is dating online is crazy to me too, right,
But that's the way you meet people today. But the
girls were dealing with problems in the nineties, we're dealing
with problems in twenty twenty five. I think that technology
has made it that much harder, makes it feel like
you have even more possibilities because it's limitless.

Speaker 5 (57:26):
You said, there's how.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Many people in the world, eight billion, So it's really
hard to choose one, and you don't think you have to.
But for those who still kind of want that old
school thing, what dating advice would you give to them?

Speaker 4 (57:38):
Get out of the old school.

Speaker 5 (57:42):
It's not a thing.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
The school is old.

Speaker 6 (57:45):
Yay, So I heard, oh I found this out, Like
y'all going to people's dms or you think they're cute,
and all the girls have the same poses, they all
have the same clothings are they do the make up
the same, They do everything exactly the same, to the

(58:06):
point where Carlie Ray the other day, that's how you
say your name, right, Ray.

Speaker 4 (58:13):
It's pregnant.

Speaker 6 (58:14):
And if you look, there was three other girls saying,
oh I thought that was me and the picture and
when you look at them and you're connected, like, oh wow,
they really do all look alike, to the point where
they were talking about Kanye's new wife and Kim Kardashian
commedy was trying to get it's always been people look

(58:35):
alike and do the same thing and how they're thinking.
But to go into somebody's DMS because of what you
saw on Instagram with all of these filters, that's that's
the amazing part. You got filters you got and just
total lies. There's a TV show called Nonica.

Speaker 4 (58:56):
What was it called? It said, bay, a true story
based on a lie.

Speaker 6 (59:02):
It's it's hard, and it's all about the internet and
how that's all a lie and now you gotta hopefully.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
Oh, she's so dope, she does this, she goes to church.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
She's just lie and it's all a lot because that's
what you put online is different from who you really are.
So I find that to be really crazy too. And
when they say, well you meet a girl in church, well,
churches are different. There's preachers that are working.

Speaker 5 (59:32):
Jesus, all right.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
So I think to sum it up, dating is hard
and your ideas and believes about what it should be. Kayla,
you say this, people are experiences not possessions.

Speaker 4 (59:46):
Oh my god, I'm stealing it.

Speaker 5 (59:48):
Quote I write it online and this.

Speaker 6 (59:54):
Yeah, this is the deal you find somebody and it
is variety. My father said it to me. I didn't
know why. It's the spice of life.

Speaker 4 (01:00:03):
And variety, variety.

Speaker 5 (01:00:06):
Spicy life is.

Speaker 6 (01:00:07):
A spice of life. You have to there's a different
variety of every single thing.

Speaker 4 (01:00:12):
You have to use this variety.

Speaker 6 (01:00:14):
And if somebody feels like Okay, I'm going to work
it out with you. You're the only one I'm gonna
kick it with. Okay, you're the only one I'm going
to kick it with. You better figure out how to
keep it spicy. Yeah, you better figure it out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:29):
That's it, keep it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
Spicy, mister Sally. John, this was amazing you. I don't
even know how to like.

Speaker 4 (01:00:35):
I'm still I didn't even ask for a check.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
So much for me, it's no thank you so much
for being here, Tya. Do you have anything you have
to add to this conversation. I want to ask this
conversation you want to get on the microphone real quick.
You got some thoughts, some closing thoughts for us, his
beautiful daughter. You should definitely take my dad's advice because
he knows what he's talking about and he's been on
this planet for a while.

Speaker 5 (01:00:57):
Yeah, oh okay, all right with that of varieties of
spicy life.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
People are experiences, not possessions, and we got it tough
being single in our thirties. That's what I take away
from this interview. But thank you so much, John. This
is an absolute pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:01:12):
Hey, you know only you got me up and out
of the house.

Speaker 5 (01:01:17):
Very thankful, We're so grateful, and we'll see you next time.

Speaker 4 (01:01:21):
Bye.