EP. 2- Please!!! Tell Me I'm As Pretty As A Model

In this episode we are breaking down S1 E2 of Sex and the City, Models and Mortals. Do models make mortals feel less than? Is it okay to go after your friends crush if there is a difference in sexuality? Some of us were a little hard on our besties, Carrie, Samantha, Miranda, and Charlotte. It was giving, Please!!! Tell Me I'm As Pretty As A Model. We want to know your thoughts. Join the conversation @SexInTheCityOfAngels 

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Welcome back our Angels. Before we get into episode two
of Sex and the City of Angels, we have to
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You are continuously in our prayers. And with that being said,
let's dive into episode two of Sex in the City
of Angels.

Speaker 2 (00:52):
This is Sex in the City of Angels podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Welcome back to season one, episode two of Sex in
the City of and we are covering models and mortals.
I'm Kayla, I'm.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Aliah Kai, I'm Dana, I'm norm.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
So, and we are for single women in our thirties
rewatching and breaking down Sex in the City. We already
broke down episode one. If you missed it, go back
to our previous episode. This episode, we are getting into
episode two, and I have to say this episode was
a little bit of a hard watch for me. The
insecurity was just oozing, he thinks, out of three of

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the four girls.

Speaker 3 (01:47):
Yeah, not only is the insecurity oozing, but they are
also being very savages towards the models.

Speaker 1 (01:55):
Oh, we're just being humans. We all have insecurities. We
talk about it amongst our girlfriends, but.

Speaker 3 (02:02):
I feel like they bash them and they actually over
sexualize them too.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I'm not a fan of having to put anyone else
down to feel good about yourself. You don't have to
talk down on anybody to make yourself look better because
it just looks super corny to do that. Well, let's
get into it. The episode starts with the classic intro,
as per usual, and then Carrie is writing her column
and she is airing out all of Miranda's business. I
just I always think to myself, do the girls know

(02:27):
that she is just putting all their business in this column?
And are they okay with it? But you know, sex
and the City is actually based off a woman who
lived in New York apparently, so I heard who did
write a column and she would just summarize her weekends
with her girls and all the stuff that they would do.
And someone would say, it's like, is this real, and
she said it was real, So they based the whole
TV show off of it. But I think that she
uses aliases, I would assume because we didn't know mister Big,

(02:50):
Like New York doesn't know mister Big as mister Big.
He's just mister Big in the column, right, Okay, Yeah,
we didn't even find out his name was John until
I think the last episode. I thought it was the movie.
We'll find out when we get there. But let's just
get right into it. After the intro, Carrie is writing
her column and she's airing out all of Miranda's business.
Miranda is going on a dinner date with a man

(03:12):
she barely knows, a successful sports agent, Nick Waxler, who
once said she had nice slates. That goes to Dana's
point a little bit, how these girls kind of just
accept dates from anybody except for Charlotte, right, And they
say that in the last episode. Yeah, yeah, think's day.
I can't compliment you and accept his date. I mean, well,
like we all like compliments.

Speaker 4 (03:33):
Doesn't mean you have to go out with them just because.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
You gotta be more selective. And yeah, I think that's
the issue though, that they're not being selective and that's
why they keep finding themselves in these situations. Okay, all
movie stars beautiful the.

Speaker 5 (03:50):
Fuck you, And that's pretty much how the date is going.

Speaker 1 (03:55):
That's the question that he's asking, all movie stars you'd
like to f when they were young? Who's answer? Denzel
Washington young, old, Morris Chestnut, Dana.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
I would say Matthew McConaughey and Chris Evans.

Speaker 1 (04:20):
Okay, that's uh, fantastic four No Captain America, I think so.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
Yeah. For me, it's Mark I love him.

Speaker 1 (04:31):
That's the Hawk. Yes, I'm just saying it today at
the museum. That's an interesting choice. I think I would
choose Aliah you really you really named.

Speaker 5 (04:42):
When he was young?

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Oh my god, that was before, but definitely I think
that is one of the most beautiful men ever created.

Speaker 5 (04:51):
So MOR's Chestnut is like, really, really, you.

Speaker 3 (04:53):
Know what, let me let me add another name because
I'm rewatching criminal Minds and more. Oh yeah, Oh yeah,
Ben Hot.

Speaker 5 (05:05):
So if a date asked you that question, do you
think that's an icebreaker?

Speaker 1 (05:08):
Are you?

Speaker 5 (05:08):
Like, boy, you don't have anything else to talk about.

Speaker 1 (05:12):
I love red table talk, I love opening questions, I
love icebreakers. Yeah, that's an icebreaker for me.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
I think it'd be a little weird for my date
to ask me that.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Miranda didn't think so. Miranda chuckled and she's like, are
you asking about dead people or alive people? They all
give their answers, Veronica Lake, Sophia Laurn, Montgomery Cliff. Miranda
suggests that he's gay, suggest saying that you know, Miranda
has a little bit of a little bit of knowledge
about this stuff, right, like she knows she has answering conversation,

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which is important for the rest of the episode.

Speaker 5 (05:43):
She's giving feedback to his question.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Yes, she has intellect. She has intellect.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
I had to google some of these names, like bing
Crosby immediately googled him.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
Yeah, I don't know none, none of them people would
At first, I thought, she said Bill. I did look
at Veronica Lake because I wanted to know the year
she made Sullivan's travels and just see who the heck
she was and what she a model, she was cute.
I guess you know what ever, Tea Yeah tweets on
you know, I mean I probably wouldn't, you know, But

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I'm not Nick. I mean I can still say if
I want to, you know, if you know Marilyn Monroe,
I'd always say, yeah, I get that, I get that,
I see that. But and one of the persons, one
of the people did say Marilyn Monroe. Yeah, Miranda, she
has an answer. She says Sean Connery Yesterday, Today, and Tomorrow,
which was one of the films he was in, a

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James Bond film he was in in nineteen ninety six
called Yesterday and Today. So Miranda's like giving an answer.
She has knowledge about the movies that these people were in.
She is really given the conversation, which, okay, beauty, I
had brains, that's what we're.

Speaker 3 (06:48):
Supposed to think, right, She's shining.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
After the conversation. The two women that are at the dinner,
they get Miranda alone and they are so happy that
he brought Miranda back, and they're asking Randa how she
met Nick. And this is where I go, like, okay,
all right, She's accepting dates from anybody, because she says
they rolled the same elevator line for years. They had
lunch a few weeks back, and then he invited her
to dinner, so they rolled the elevator for years. All

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he had to do is that you have nice legs,
take her out once, get a second date. Okay, stress, y'all.
She's not saying she went out with him just because
he said she had nice legs. I think it's just
like they well you think so.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
Yeah, I mean that's how it's narrated, right.

Speaker 5 (07:28):
The girls do seem pleased with the answer, though.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I think she accepts a date from anybody, but the
woman that she's talking to seems like, yes, this is amazing. Diane,
the black woman in the episode, who I think was
clearly styled by a white woman. I can tell that
they don't have any black stylists on the show, and
I just feel like her hair was clearly not how
a black woman would style her braids. But okay, if
that's what they're going to do, at least there's representation,

(07:51):
And I'm grateful for you. I appreciate that. I appreciate
the an episode not once but twice twice. Twice.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Yes, absolutely absolutely, just you.

Speaker 1 (08:00):
Know, just hire black artists or you know, people of
color that can do the hair right. But again, the
representation was great. She says, I guess he took our
ultimatum seriously. And the woman's like, oh, don't say that, Diane.
Miranda doesn't know what they're talking about, and they pretty
much tell her Nick has been bringing home models and
you're the first woman that he's well home that's clearly

(08:20):
not a model. That's why I said they fake as friends,
because also in that scene, they all had the same
conversation about what actress would you want to have when
they're young, So they show a whole bunch of retakes
of the dude with a different model who doesn't have
They don't have the same level of interesting answer like
Miranda did. But I just feel like y'all friends as
fake as hell. Y'all have this conversation every time I
come around, Like that in itself turns me off more

(08:41):
than the reason why Miranda got turned off.

Speaker 3 (08:43):
But uh, not only are they fake, I feel like
that circle of friends just isn't believable to me, Like
the different characters in it. I don't know, like I
don't believe that this black woman is hanging out with
these white folks.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Is she dating one of the folks?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
No, I don't think so. I think she they're just friends.
But it's not believable to me, at least, I wouldn't
be hanging out with these kind of folks. I'm gonna
be real honest, and I still can get over the
fact that this Nick Waxler is a modelizer. It's just
not believable.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Really, Well, he don't look good enough to be, but
he's got money. He's a successful sports That's what I
was thinking.

Speaker 3 (09:24):
Is it really the money? But it's like these models
have money. We've talked about this.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
Really that's but I feel like even if you don't
have if you do have money as a model, you
want to date somebody with money too. You don't want
to date a brokie, right, true.

Speaker 3 (09:37):
But listen, if I'm a model and I look this hot,
not only am I dating Richmond, but I'm dating rich
hot men, not Nick Waxler.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
Can we also take into consideration that this is nineteen
ninety eight. People just weren't as beautiful as they are today.

Speaker 3 (09:51):
Listen in that episode where he says he's thirty four,
Oh god, he does he looks fifty four?

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Hard thirty four, that's a hard life you lived. But
they do go to the scene to Elia's point earlier,
where the friends are fake and they're having the conversation
with the same conversation with everyone and he's asking them.
They're asking the models the same question. And I just
didn't appreciate, to Norm's point earlier, how the models were portrayed.
They're all like too dumb to understand the question, or
they're just not interested, or they're just like whispering, like

(10:19):
rude whisper something to zero and just walks out like
why can't you have beauty and intellect? Exactly? They indicate
that you can't be beautiful and smart. Carry says, all
they do is push their food around in pout. I'm
not a model, but I'm offended. I'm not a woman.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
I am very offended, especially when Miranda described models as
giraffs with tits. I think that's what she said.

Speaker 1 (10:42):
Yeah, I thought that was very very cringe cringe, very well.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Not a girl, yes, thank you, not a girl's girl.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I thought I did have though, was they're in New York,
where whereas we're in LA. So you know how New
York has New York fashion week, maybe like New York
is more of a platform for traditional models to be.
Just say all that to say that I don't really
see your average model walking around LA like as much
as we see celebrities or a social media model or
Instagram model or whatever. I don't see a runway model

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in my day to day to have that level of
judgment on them. So I don't know. I just don't
know what these girls are seeing in their day to
day where they are making these judgments.

Speaker 5 (11:18):
I hear Yulia for sure.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
I think for me, playing downplaying a model's intelligence is
a form of patriarchy. I think that because it's mainly
a woman career, you can't be smart. For an example,
just side note, librarians are also super played down. But
that's a hard job. You have to get a degree
to do it. It's actually something that requires a lot
of effort and work. But because it's mainly a woman's job,

(11:43):
you think you just sit there in the bookstore and
tell people to all day.

Speaker 5 (11:46):
But nah, I don't know. I'm a librarian.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
But TikTok taught me librarians is that one point? I mean, whatever,
that's the the world we live in right now.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
Yeah, I know, but I agree that it's the way
our friends are bashing models. It's definitely upholding the patriarchy
and upholding a specific standard of beauty. And instead of
celebrating different forms of these beauties or just women, they're
just completely bashing them, over sexualizing them and demeaning them.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
True. True, I see that. So Miranda gets upset that
Nick dates models, not you know about anything else, Jesse,
he date's models. I don't see why that's offensive, she
says to him, after he admits the dating models. No,
it's true, it's true. Okay, I'm obsessed obsessed with models.

Speaker 4 (12:40):
Correct?

Speaker 1 (12:40):
So what am I your intellectual beard for the evening?

Speaker 5 (12:43):
Your intellectual beard for the evening?

Speaker 1 (12:46):
I mean, I don't know. I don't know if, like
do y'all think she should have been offended? Heaven's no,
Why are you upset? Why can't this man day what
we wants to date? Right? They don't got nothing to
do with tonight and right now?

Speaker 4 (12:55):
Yeah, I think she's perpetuating her own or projecting her
own insecurities on to him. And she's like admitting to
herself that she isn't beautiful and it's truth. But you know,
but who said that it's subjective, right, just because you're
not a mode does make you know beautiful, So I
think it was definitely her insecurities. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (13:16):
Our girls were oozing insecurity the entire episode.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
He tells her not to be upset because she met
some cool people and she had a good time. What again,
I don't know why she's upset to begin with, but okay,
the scene changes if she's at dinner with Carrie and
Carrie asks, you went out with the modelizer and you
didn't even know it. Modelizers are even worse than womanizers.
They only they don't date women, They date models. Like,

(13:41):
what the hell are you talking about? Yeah, I agree
with that, Like I guess well to a certain extent,
I felt you can't be mad at someone for having
their type. We all have our type. So if that's
what you like, that has nothing to do with me, Like,
I'm not to judge you for that. But on the
flip side, it's kind of like in line when with
men say only date like women, like light skinned women
like Chris Brown comes to mind in the episode like this,
where he'll reject women if they don't pass a certain

(14:03):
colored test with their skin or whatever. From what we hear.
So I don't know. I guess when you look at
it like that, like you're you're just rejecting women off
the strength of they're not a model before you get
to know them, because the way they look thing, Yeah,
that's not cool. Ali.

Speaker 5 (14:16):
I think that everybody's entitled to their type. They're tight.
If that's what I like, that's what I like. I
happen to like you too, but typically this is my type.

Speaker 3 (14:24):
I think Miranda has every right to be upset because
everything in this date is a setup. Like it's not
him honestly wanting to go on a date with Miranda.
They gave him an ultimatum and he goes and asks.
I feel like, ask the first woman he fucking stumbles on. No,
And and the fact that his friends and his friends

(14:48):
are all in this right, so it's like the lion
is what really pisses Miranda off?

Speaker 1 (14:52):
And I'd be upset too. True immediately, No, I feel that,
you know, I feel that norms like she's not there
for an authentic reason except clean there because his friends
told him to do something.

Speaker 3 (15:02):
And imagine like you go on this date with friends
and everyone knows the truth and you're completely oblivious to it.
I'd be hella upset. I got all of them.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh okay, all right, well Carrie says, it says if
we don't have enough problems because the models are all
throughout New York City and to Alliah's point, as far
as in LA, we don't see runway models. I don't
know if I agree with that. I think that obviously
photo touch is going to make them look like maybe
they're something that they're not. But we've been to parties
and we met meet actresses, and like, we meet people

(15:32):
and it's like, but I don't feel Yeah, I think
it's the same thing. In my opinion, I still don't
feel insecure or like I got to put these women
down because I'm just secure on my own looks.

Speaker 3 (15:44):
Also, the fashion industry or the model industry has changed, right,
This is like the nineties where the models were anorexic, skinny, right,
But now we have different kind different kinds of models.

Speaker 1 (15:55):
They'mare like Instagram models short, like short, like anybody really
can be a model.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
These days in my opinion, Yeah, so there's a variety.
Oh I'm trying to think of another word other than variety,
but it's more diverse, right, do you have models of
different shapes and sizes. It's I feel like the industry
is more open to different varieties now.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Carrie describes models like animals. They actually run wild in
the streets, turning the city into a virtual model safari
where men can pet the creatures in their natural habitats.
It's complete disrespect. I just it was so crunch for me,
the entire episode. Well, I'm looking at it like they're
so glamorous. I mean, she's definitely been condescending about it,
but I think she does see them as a different

(16:40):
class of her, Like there's someone that you can look
at but can't touch. There's someone you're supposed to admire
on stage, but you can't be in the same space
and share the same air with them. I think she's
coming from that perspective. I think she's a hater, but
utures on ladies. Then we get carried away. They're stupid
and lazy and they should be on site. Damn. That's

(17:02):
that's the four of us, our four girls doing what
we love most, talking, lunching and shooting the ships. And
that's how they're talking. They're stupid, they're lazy, and they
should be shot on the spot.

Speaker 3 (17:15):
What that speaks to Miranda's bitterness at this point.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
Going back to episode one where she is just completely
impossible to please and just so unlikable, It's just it's
layered onto that characteristic for me. I have to say,
I didn't notice them being bashers when I watched the episode,
but now that we're like talking about it, it's like,
then they really wasn't he and huh Yeah, I was cringing.
I was like, what the heck is wrong with these
insecure ass bitches?

Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, and then she follows up with force feeding models lard.

Speaker 1 (17:46):
Yeah, he's horrible, Sammy, Joe's the only one that's confident
herself not to put these women down. Okay you thought
in this In this conversation while we're getting carried away
with our four girls, Samantha is the only one that's like,
I don't feel insecure. I'm good. She says that she's
been out with a lot of guys who tell her

(18:06):
she's just as beautiful as a model, but she actually
works for a living, so she doesn't respect the career
of a model, but she thinks that she is equivalently
equal on their level as far as looks our girl.
Charlotte says in this scene, there are cultures that believe that.
I guess women with mustaches and women who are not
shaped like models are considered beautiful. And then Samantha's like,

(18:27):
why are you looking at me when you say that?
So I feel like Samantha expresses that about herself, which
I appreciate, but you know, she got a little insecure
when Charlotte says, I mean Charlotte. I personally believe Charlotte
and Samantha are friends off the strength, but I think
they be coming at each other a lot. And I

(18:47):
think anybody if you were to say something and I'm
looking at you, you would feel insecure about that. If I
feel cute, I'm like, oh, yeah, my makeup look good,
then you're like, yeah, sometimes makeup that's ugly. It is
really accepted in other cultures. I'll be like, wait, you know,
I think anybody will feel that way. That doesn't take
away from Samantha's confidence in the scene a little bit.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
I really respect Samantha for not scrutinizing herself and her
body in this in this episode or in this situation.

Speaker 1 (19:14):
That was totally cringe for me to norms where everybody
is like I hate my Charlotte's like I hate my thighs,
Miranda's like I hate my chin, and Carrie's like I
hate my nose. And then they all look at Samantha
like what do you hate about yourself?

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
And she's like nothing, Oh yeah, because you paid enough
for it, like you hate in ass bitches. I'm cute
and I know.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
I mean, there were being extra mean girls. Were you
gonna say? Somebody? Dana?

Speaker 4 (19:39):
I feel like it's just really hard because it's just like,
even if you have an insecurity, you should it doesn't
why should you announce it to make everyone else feel comfortable?

Speaker 5 (19:49):
Don't you give me your life for nobody?

Speaker 1 (19:51):
Right, Dana? Period? I guess that's something girls do. Sorry, no,
go for it now. I was just saying, I guess
that's something girls do. It kind of reminds me that
scene from Mean Girls where they all did the same thing.
But I do at the same time, respect that Samantha
didn't feed into that, because at the end of the day,
you got to speak love and positivity into your life
and there isn't a lot of room to acknowledge those insecurities.
To your point, Aliyah, that was in mean girls, like,

(20:11):
that's not what girls girls do, because I'm not looking
at my friend to be like, put yourself down, I'm
gonna lift my friend up. Friends themselves down. They were
putting themselves down, and then they looked at their front
to do the thing, just to see what her thought was.

Speaker 3 (20:23):
Mm hm. And to your point Kayla earlier about how
Charlotte and Samantha are always going at it each other,
it's because they're both They both are present the extremes complete,
you know, Samantha very very sure of herself and fucking everyone,
and then Charlotte, who's a little up tight and judgmental

(20:44):
about that. That's why they're constantly reserved.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
Yeah, versus out there in the streets. Yeah, speaking of
the streets, that's where we go. Next to the streets.

Speaker 3 (20:54):
Two types of guys beautiful.

Speaker 4 (20:57):
Either there's slimeballs that are just out to get laid
or they fall in Its pathetic.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
I don't know. I'm not a model, nor am I
a guy to say like what I'm out there looking for?
I think that's a you know, a general judgment. Can't
say that speaks to every individual reason for why they
choose today who they date.

Speaker 3 (21:15):
I can't confirm, but it seems believable.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
Nick says, why fuck the girl in the skirt when
you can fuck the girl in the ad for the skirt.
Being beautiful is a power. You can get whatever you want,
trips to Aspen, weekends in Paris, Christmas in Saint Bart's
a motorcycle or a juicer, Nick says. The guy that
Miranda went on a day earlier with says models have brains,
they just don't need to use them. Models say. Most

(21:39):
guys think that she's dumb, but she's very literary. She
can read a magazine cover to cover. Just another insult
on the models. Yeah, and I feel like that girl
was kind of playning to what Charlotte said at episode one,
like even though she might have some level of intellect,
not to say she is playing dumb, but she recognizes
that guys perceive her this way, and she doesn't seem

(21:59):
to be really challenging in it. She's defending herself, but
I don't know, maybe she's just playing into that role
to satisfy it.

Speaker 4 (22:04):
I agree with it because in the first episode when
Charlotte said you have to play damsel or you have
to play like, oh, you're not that smart. So going
back to being beautiful, right, if you can get everything
you want and you don't have to do much and
just stay quiet, why waste your energy using your intellect
if it's not going to get you that far with men.

Speaker 1 (22:23):
If that's not what they're interesting.

Speaker 3 (22:24):
Exactly here I would want to point out I'm not
bashing models, but I do want to point out that
there is such a thing as pretty privilege, and that's
what I feel, that's what's being talked on or talked
about without being mentioning the pretty privilege of people.

Speaker 1 (22:43):
I agree. Actually, before Carrie went to the streets, that
was our question, how powerful is beauty? Like, how much
privilege is that believed to be pretty? And then you're
talking about all the things that they get from it, and.

Speaker 5 (22:54):
There is a lot that you get from being pretty.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
Accordance to this, and Nick says, because the only dates
models his friends thinks shallow who cares he's fucking a model?

Speaker 3 (23:03):
Nick needs to shut the hell up. This guy is
super annoying. Not only is he complete, he's like a
he's obnoxious, he's a douche. And I just can get
over the fact that this guy is so shallow and
actually gets models.

Speaker 1 (23:19):
You know what. And it also just speaks to how
guys are doing this to impress other guys, Like it's
not even all about what I'm interested in for me,
But if I got a model on my arm and
I'm walking through, then you're gonna perceive me a certain
way because I got this girl in.

Speaker 3 (23:33):
My arm exactly.

Speaker 4 (23:34):
And it shows to their insecurities. But they're looked at
as someone who is successful in all of that. But
you know, later on in the episode, it talks about
what Carrie and Big when they talk about their and
the reasons why they do what they do and why
they go for certain women to feed that validation that Eagle.

Speaker 3 (23:54):
I can't stand Nick at all.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
I'm going to send that to the actor that play.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Invite him to the podcast please.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
In the next scene, Harry is with Barkley, a notorious
modelizer who is who's a solo wonder who maintains a
fabulous lifestyle although he's never sold a single painting of
his which I think he comes from money.

Speaker 3 (24:17):
It seems possible. It's giving, right, m It's giving white privilege.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
Yes, that's it.

Speaker 5 (24:26):
He says models are a lot looser than you think.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
It's a lot easier to screw a model than it
is a regular girl, because that's what models do all
the time. They're like regular people when they're on vacation.
This dude is the worst. What's his name, Barclay Barkley.
Oh my god, he's like, don't pay them any don't
pay them any mind. They're fast, they're easy to screw.
Like he is the worst.

Speaker 5 (24:49):
Literally, Harry is no better.

Speaker 1 (24:50):
Oh, she was offended though that he kept speaking of
models and calling them things.

Speaker 3 (24:55):
Oh, now she's offended into a place.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Walk up to the hottest thing there.

Speaker 3 (25:00):
You're finished. It's kind of like being around dogs. You
got to show no fear things.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
You call them things. Yeah, so that's that offended. Carry
that that Barkley called them things. Yet her friend was
just saying he needs to be shot on the spot.
They're giraffes with tits. Her friends ain't fucking them. Don't
call them things though, Like Marian, I just don't get carried.
I don't get what she's confused about. What she's offended
by you, which she's not, because you think if she's
offended by them calling him calling them things, she'd be

(25:28):
offended when he's like I got something to show you
and shows himself secretly recording these things and haven't hit
sexual encounters with them. I couldn't believe it. The man
had slept was half the Perfume ads in September is Vogue.

Speaker 5 (25:43):
She looks very intrigued that she's watching his sexcapades.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, I was like definitely cringey, Like when did this
become okay? Like we live in as a culture now
where you cannot be recording people doing things like it's
so illegal. I feel like this is before the social
media error so era. So I guess it's okay to
record this stuff because it really is for personal use
versus public use?

Speaker 3 (26:06):
Do they know about this?

Speaker 1 (26:08):
Maybe immediately? No, to Norms's words, I would just walk out,
like I would be like, this isn't okay. I'm extremely
uncomfortable and you need to get some help. I don't
think i'd watch women getting recorded behind their back and
enjoy that.

Speaker 3 (26:22):
Girl she even little cigarette to enjoy the experience even more.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
That's why I say, I think it's because in this era,
because this was recorded in what the nineties? Yeah, this
is before Facebook's Instagram, so you know this isn't really
going anywhere, So we're really just chilling in your living
room watching it, and it's not really going to be
the space. I think that's the difference. I don't know
that that makes it more socially acceptable. You know, I
wasn't watching sex tapes in the nineties, But I just
think they're in a different mind because they really don't

(26:48):
expect this to go anywhere. We then go to Carrie,
who is now with Skipper a Skippy and he really
likes Miranda. He's like, what Miranda called me?

Speaker 4 (26:58):
Yet?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
Do you know you say anything about me? You're calder
and like really pressures Carry to call Miranda and see
what's up. When you interested in the guy, he don't
want you. And when you want the guy, when the
guy I want you, you don't want him. That's exactly
what Skipper and Miranda are doing in the first guy
I like you, like Skippy.

Speaker 4 (27:15):
I like guys that you don't like to love you.

Speaker 1 (27:19):
They do pour the most inte.

Speaker 4 (27:20):
They go hard for you.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
So he begs Carry to call him to call Miranda,
and she does, and after you know, Skipper leaves that
cringe ass voicemail. Carrie's like, I believe there is a
curse put on the heads of people that try to
set up their friends. Bet you knew last week that
Miranda wasn't gonna like them. You knew that this was
going to be an issue. So why is the curse
on your head? The curses on Miranda said, because she
can't get rid of this guy that you set her

(27:43):
up with that she didn't like to begin with.

Speaker 3 (27:45):
Carrie.

Speaker 1 (27:46):
Yeah, Carrie knew from the gate that Miranda wasn't gonna
want him, and she chose to set him up. So
now that they're playing with their plan, she made it
about her, which was pretty you know, Carrie pretty carried.
In the next scene, Carries now at a fashion show
with Stanford and his client Who's that?

Speaker 5 (28:02):
And it was the hottest show in town?

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Mind you. I just want to go back to last
episode where Carrie was speaking down on Stanford in his career,
but now that she's at a fashion show with a
hot model, she has positive things to say about Stanford.
Carrie is a little bit of a user in season one,
and I don't really like it right A. Leah Carry
suggests that Stanford is obsessed with Derek, the hot model,
that he that is his client, and that got them

(28:25):
into the fashion show. Stanford introduces them, he makes sexual
jokes and touches all over Derek. You can clearly see
that Stanford has a huge crush on Derek, and Carrie's like,
is he gay? She's like, you're too hot not to
be And he thinks everybody's gay? Right this second episode
she asking somebody's gay? But I just feel like, you know,

(28:47):
if your man, if your friend, like somebody, just let
them live in their dream world. Like, yeah, he is cute,
you guys to be cute together. What are you trying
to is he what makes you think that you have
a chance type energy? Right?

Speaker 5 (28:58):
Okay, whatever, maybe that's your man. Maybe I'm hard on Harry, but.

Speaker 3 (29:01):
No, I mean I agree she's a hater. Why does
she feel like she needs to bust his bubble? Burst
his bubble? I mean, shut the hell up. He brought
you to a fashion show. Enjoy it.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
Thank you, Norms, thank you. And the next thing, we
meet Samantha Jones who never misses a major fashion show.
We see, we don't meet her. We know he already.
We see Samantha Jones never misses a famous a major
fashion show, and sam felt more beautiful the more beautiful
people that she was around. So she likes to be
around beautiful people because she knows that she is beautiful.

Speaker 5 (29:33):
And that's my type of energy right there.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
But she's there to scrutinize models because she likes to
be front and center, because she likes to see their imperfections.
And as we start, as the models start, as the
model start walking, she's like pointing out things on them.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
I don't want there to point out things that make
her feel better. Yeah, definitely not cool. All right, all right,
norms good good good. Note that's true. That's very true.
I was giving Samantha Jones too much credit. She sees
Barkley at this show, and when he finds out that
he only dates models, that really intrigues Samantha Jones for
whatever reason. Challenge except yes, godly modelizer is a dating

(30:26):
any one model in particular actually sleeping all of them
in general, only models on models.

Speaker 5 (30:36):
Samantha gets a glimmer in her eye when.

Speaker 1 (30:37):
It's only mats, only matters. And I think that if
these men that only date models give Samantha a chance,
she feels like she is just as beautiful as one
and she's constantly looking for that tell me I'm pretty
as a model, please, please, please, which is coming from
an insacure please, I think so just seeding the outside validation.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Yeah, it's sad.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
After the fashion show you already know about to walk
up in the building. Mister dig hmm.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
It was.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
Major dream boone and majorly out.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
Of my league.

Speaker 1 (31:13):
I thought he's always flirting with her, which I do love.
She thinks that he's well, she acknowledges that he's majorly
out of her league, and in the last episode, they
alluded to the fact that he only dates models. In
the scene, we see Carrie is stuffing her face with
your doves. She's talking with her mouth open. She's just
clearly giving non model. Yet mister big is still like

(31:34):
I thought I saw you on the show, and I
just get the tingles like.

Speaker 3 (31:39):
He is burting. But again, I think my point was confirmed.
He only dates models. He goes to the shows, and
who does he leave with that night, a black model period.

Speaker 1 (31:51):
But before he does that, let's not get too far ahead.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
He was a little bit condescending. He's like, I read
your column.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
It's cute. She says, cute.

Speaker 5 (32:00):
He thought about it. He's like, yeah, it's cute.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
I'm a grown ass woman putting my all into this
column week to week. You're calling it cute, you condescend him, bested. Yeah,
he wasn't given the props that she deserved. He wasn't
making her feel like and she doesn't see herself as
this either. A well respected writer in Manhattan, I can
see that.

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Surely I would have been really really offended.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Well, what do you want? What?

Speaker 4 (32:27):
What did you What would you have expected big, mister
big to say?

Speaker 1 (32:32):
I read your column. You are a really good writer.
You're doing a thing in the New York Times. It's
only a matter of time for you, for you and yeah,
exactly a major magazine. I love just lie. I don't
know if well, maybe better, Yes, don't call it cute,
which you're not going to do, Okay.

Speaker 3 (32:51):
I just can't get with his form of flirting with Carrie.
I don't think he he Up until this point, he
hasn't given her any compliments.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
So you know what they say though, It's like even
in the childhood, when we were children in the playground,
like if a guy is billing you or saying things
about you, they say that it's because they like you.
So I don't know if immediately know, can I finish?
I love you, I love you, but I feel like
it speaks to that biology of men, like there is
maybe something inside of them that makes them feel like

(33:21):
I don't want to get rejected. I have to be
the one to be forward. So instead of coming direct
and correct, I'm gonna play into it, play with you
a little bit, and maybe it works on the back end.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
Immediately know that gives an idea that men who are
assholes are flirting with you and they want you or
they want a relationship with you. And again I feel
I don't want to go so much into this, but
this is their whole relationship, an asshole here relationship.

Speaker 1 (33:48):
I think that that's a toxic mentality to perpetuate. If
he's mean to you, he likes you. If he's condescending
to you, that means he's interested, Like bitch, No, how
about you treat me like a queen? Like the queen
I am, I feel like mean an asshole? Is he
being mean? Is he being an asshole in time? Yeah?
I don't think he's he's being that. I feel you

(34:10):
man mean if he's been a straight asso, of course, no,
but I don't think he's attracted to her, so I
don't think he is. He's so attractive.

Speaker 4 (34:17):
He is, but he hasn't given her the the you know,
it hasn't been made obvious to her, so it's just
like going over her head.

Speaker 1 (34:25):
He got a whole nother girl with him, I mean,
because last I got he's just carry but in the space.
So whatever she was going to give back to him,
he's not doing anything with you tonight. I got a
whole other girl here, so I think he's playing. I
don't know if the words coy, but he's playing. He's
playing with her because there's some level of interest there,
but he's not ready to make the direct move. He
does seem interested in her cute column.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
What are you worrying about this week?

Speaker 1 (34:49):
Well, I'm working on a story about man who date models.
An he ought very lucky. When she finds out that
he him himself in fact dates models, she gets really
like she looks down when he says like only that
they're very lucky.

Speaker 5 (35:05):
You could just see the hurt take over her face.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
Yeah, she just knew that she wasn't there, and it
took all her confidence a back, all of her confidence
away because in the next line, she says, suddenly, I
felt like I was wearing Peculi in a room full
of Chanel. That was after the beautiful black model walked
up and you know he introduced her. Yeah, Janel Chanelle.

Speaker 5 (35:29):
Was cute and okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
I would have felt a little bit insecure in that
moment as well. If the guy that I'm interested in,
I'm having a conversation with him and then this model
walks up to him and then he like kind of down,
like in dark conversation, and that's his girl for the night, Like, damn,
I agree.

Speaker 4 (35:48):
First of all, do we know that she's interested in him?
They had a couple interactions.

Speaker 5 (35:52):
Do we need to play the audio a little bit.

Speaker 1 (35:54):
No, you're right she doesn't see him as a realistic
option for her, because she said he's way out of
her leaves. Yeah, that doesn't.

Speaker 4 (36:02):
It's just like, oh, you find someone, you look at
them and like, oh they're attractive.

Speaker 3 (36:05):
Cool.

Speaker 4 (36:05):
No, it doesn't mean you automatically.

Speaker 3 (36:08):
She describes them as a dream boat.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
That's not just that she's going yearning?

Speaker 4 (36:14):
What is wrong?

Speaker 1 (36:15):
What is wrong with you? Like, honestly, do you have
to just say I like her? Like it's so much
action everything what else do you need to say?

Speaker 4 (36:24):
First of all, why is she taking everything so personal?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Like everything she like her?

Speaker 4 (36:29):
Oh my god, he doesn't like me.

Speaker 1 (36:30):
I'm not a model. Like everything.

Speaker 4 (36:32):
They internalize everything, and it's just like it's really not
that deep.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Yeah, I think there's just levels to it. Just because
she's interested or sees him as a big tycoon or
sees him as a dream boat doesn't mean I want
him in my bed tonight doesn't mean I want him
to be my man. So I think she's just acknowledging
that he's that dude, like there's a lot to admire
about him. But I think there's a mutual interest between
them too. But I don't think they're at the point
now where they're fully filling each other and wanting each other.

(36:59):
She didn't try to go him in the last episode,
like she didn't she's insecure. She doesn't feel like it's
realistic for her, But that doesn't mean that the feeling
and the like isn't there. I just I don't I
don't know what else the writers need to say to
you guys for you to see that there is carry
my blue carry ain't insecure And I'm gonna get to
that I don't want to jump the gun, but my
blue carry ain't insecure. Carry is very insecure.

Speaker 3 (37:17):
I don't up until now, all of BIG's actions and
Carrie's actions show that they are interested in each other. Specifically,
Bigg's actions really speak to his character and really set
the tone of the relationship, and we see this same
exact behavior from him throughout the relationships.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
So if we will see, you know, it's a little
loud and wrong on the microphone norms like because I'm
just I just am right, like I don't even know,
like listeners, please let us know at Sex and the
City of Angels, like, I mean, y'all are just so
loud and wrong.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
So like okay, So honestly, if you would have already okay,
honestly speaking, if you would have experienced the interactions Carrie
had with Big, you would have continued to really give
him attention.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
He doesn't owe me anything. He didn't offend me, he
didn't outright call me a bit. I mean, he didn't
do shit. He didn't do nothing wrong. I don't. He
don't owe me shit.

Speaker 4 (38:21):
He didn't even ask ask her on a date, you know,
Like it's different, Like you talked to someone that's attractive.
Why automatically assume, oh, we're going together or he's dating me,
or he wants me, and it's just like, okay, you
have an attraction. Cool, we had a conversation now where
it's like a friendship, you're developing a friendship. It's not
that deep yet.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
I agree.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
I agree with you on that point, Dana.

Speaker 1 (38:42):
Yeah, I don't mean.

Speaker 3 (38:43):
I wouldn't see him as a viable option. But again
that I feel like that's problematic.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
After he picked me up on the corner and took
me home in his private driver, Oh he's options. Okay,
but then the seemingly forgets that she was there. Then
the model comes up and seemingly forgets that she was there.
He says, I'll see you around some time. I hope
he was worthy, but he walked away with the other girl. Okay.
Carrie walks off and she's feeling really insecure about herself,

(39:09):
which again I think is a relatable experience. She thought
that she's accepted her looks at thirty, when she realized
she didn't have the energy to be completely superficial. The
model made her insecure, which is like, Okay, I completely
accepted my looks but then the last thing, you were
just complaining about your nose to your other friends. So
how do you really feel, Gary, Let's be real, nobody,
I mean whatever, we're working toward it, but I think
it's just real. We all look in the mirror, or

(39:31):
at least we have all grown and developed over the years.
We feel like, oh, I don't like this about me,
I don't like that about me. It doesn't make me
a super insecure person. Just acknowledging the reality of what
I wish I could improve.

Speaker 4 (39:40):
But she's comparing herself to someone else and feeling like
she has to improve her looks because she's comparing herself
to what she doesn't look like and how someone else
is attracted to this person. And so it's just like, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I've been out on LA nights where I would feel
like if I didn't put in my best effort to myself,
I would feel insecure compared to what's out there when
you go out there. Not to say I'm an insecure
person overall, but I think that's just acknowledging that. I
don't want to say it's a competition, but there's some
level of keeping up, like putting yourself, like coming stepping
out as your best self because you want to be

(40:13):
like the best person in the room. I don't know,
I hear you, Aaliyah, But to be honest, when I'm
dressed down, I just know, like if I get dressed up,
it's over for you. Bitches Like I'm dressed down today.
Yeah you got it today. But let me let me
we in that moment where today I'm in my sweats,
in my my locks, my mind telling me when I

(40:36):
get dressed up, I don't feel I don't feel insecure,
Like what does that mean now in this moment, I'm
not dressed up, it's not over. So I'm not I'm
not no, I'm not putting myself. I'm not going to
be like and that's all I'm saying. I don't put
on my best self. I don't feel like the best
person in the rown. And that's what I'm saying. I
don't feel like that. I don't feel like I'm not
the best person in the row. I just like I'm
not dressed up in this moment, and I think there's

(40:57):
a difference, but I don't know. Agree to disagree. Sammy
Jones is given another type of insecure. She walks up
and she says she's making her move on Barkley and
Carrie was a good friend in this moment. She was like,
don't do it. He records his conquest, like you will
be recorded. To stay away from that man. Samantha's like,

(41:18):
oh challenge, where's my close up? Let me get naked.
That's pretty much what she was saying. But then Carrie
leaves and she's like, I felt super invisible. I never
felt that way before. The Stanford's hot underwear model walks
up and he asks, can I go home with you?
And she let him? Bad fucking friend? Why because Stanford

(41:41):
wanted him? Yes, your your best close friend has a
crush on that guy, whether you think it's realistic for
your friend or not. So what if dude ain't gay
that your friend has a crush on him, that's off limits.
There's sexuality thing though, what if dude ain't gay, it
don't matter If her friend has a crush on him,

(42:02):
that's off limits, full stop.

Speaker 3 (42:04):
I agree with Kayla, there's boundaries.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
But first of all, the intent. Do we know that
she had the intent to see him? Yes?

Speaker 3 (42:12):
Yes, No, in that scene you didn't see that. You
didn't see that particular scene where it seemed like he
got a little too close and she was ready for
the fucking kiss.

Speaker 1 (42:20):
You didn't see that her, she was making moves. He
rejected her. Even missus, I was driving when I was
watching this episode. Okay, so I couldn't actually watch.

Speaker 3 (42:31):
I agree, there's boundaries with friends, especially longtime friends, and
I think I wouldn't be able to trust you if
I told you I like this person and the next
thing I know, you went home with them. Okay, finely,
you didn't have sex with them, but you still went
home with them. You know.

Speaker 1 (42:49):
Stanford said he liked him. I'm a step bar, he
said outright.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
He's obsessed with him.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
I'm playing Devil's advocate more than anything. I definitely feel
you all point. I'm not trying to say it's all
in nothing mentality. Yeah, I don't know that Carrie's intent
was to y'all said y'all. Y'all peeped the scene, but
I didn't see her intending to be with him that
night when they entertained each other.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I mean, she even brought up a childhood memory of
her hanging out with the cute guy from like from
her high school. So I feel like that it speaks
to her being interested in the guy, and.

Speaker 1 (43:23):
I feel like the conversation with the model was a
little condescending as well. He's like, what do you want
to be when you grow up?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Like?

Speaker 5 (43:28):
Why is everybody playing Carrie in this episode?

Speaker 1 (43:31):
So what do you want to be when you girl? Well,
I think this might be it. I feel like they
they downplayed her career a couple times in this episode,
and I don't understand what that's about, but they like,
like Norm said earlier, he got too close to her face.

Speaker 5 (43:45):
She went in for the kids, he pulled back.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
It's money for the slide hair. I gets so lonely
in the city, and sometimes it's discussed why I was
so sure we could do that. It was hard to
imagine that anyone so beautiful could ever be. Yeah, I
just feel like the under a model also struggles with
his confidence level, Like you know, there's a couple of
things that he said that he has to think before
he speaks, so like, I feel like even models can

(44:09):
be self conscious, insecure, lonely. So I really love this
scene because I feel like it was a full soucer moment.
In the beginning, they're bashing models as if they are
so high up that we need to tear them down.
But then when you got a model and you get
to know them and talk to them on a real level,
you realize that he's a human who also has his
own level of insecurities, and it's also judging you what
you want to be when you grow up. Yeah, I agree.

(44:31):
We then go to Miranda, who's at the store buying
cat food, and she sees Skippy or Skippy sees her
calling you. She makes all these excuses, been a business week.
He's like, I thought we had a connection. She ain't
got no connection with him, and then she's like, cashier,
hurry up, I ain't got time for this. Skipper's like,
are you like this with everyone? And Miranda's like, you

(44:53):
don't want someone your own age? Skippy? What do I
have to did you get rid of you? Get out
of here? He's like, screw age.

Speaker 5 (44:59):
I think you're a loose umanis and that's all Miranda needed.

Speaker 4 (45:01):
Now.

Speaker 5 (45:02):
Marina is like, oh you you think like rually Okay?

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Now, I like you like the oh my god, the
insecurity In the first couple of episodes, No, I think
that's all needed. Miranda went on a whole date with dude,
had whole sex with dude, did not want interested with dude.
Now he says she's luminous, Now you're interested again. I
mean he's just feeding into her, just like he pulled
her and gave her a kiss. Like he's just he's
doing his part and he's playing the game to get
her to open up, and she's opening up organically. What

(45:28):
is it all or nothing? I don't want Skipper, So
no matter what you do, I don't want you. That's
bodies we can't all we can't. We can't see her
act like flattery isn't going to make us open up.
We're women, even men. All you got to do is
compliment people, and that's going to take their wall down
when you're seeing them. Yeah, she's luminous. That's not something
she here every day. Like that's sweet. I thought with Skipper.

Speaker 3 (45:50):
I feel like as as much as she wanted to
put her guard up, she definitely melted with when Skipper
said you are luminous. Who says that that's I feel
like that's rare. I liked Skipper for that, Like in
that second.

Speaker 4 (46:08):
Well, okay, let me ask you this, what if Skipper
was lying to her?

Speaker 1 (46:12):
I don't think Skipper's lying to her. He's been blowing
her up, he's been getting to her friend, he's trying
to get at her. Yeah, he already fucked her, right, Sorry?

Speaker 3 (46:20):
Did they he already?

Speaker 4 (46:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:21):
Did they?

Speaker 3 (46:22):
Did they? I don't think so.

Speaker 5 (46:23):
I assure that they pressed that guy against the wat.
I think she took him all.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Oh, we don't know that though. Maybe I am being presumption.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
Yeah, I don't know that either actually, but.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
Either way, they already have something. He's already trying to
get at her. I don't think he's faking her, But
I do think that it doesn't take much to win
Miranda over, at least for like, Like I think, if
you didn't like and force your boundaries stand on something.
If you fall for anything, you stand for nothing. Like
If that's how you feel, if you're avoiding this man,
avoid that man, your mind already told you that he's
not for you, aluminous, Now, let me let me play

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with this man's feelings a little bit more. Leave Skipper alone, Miranda.
You don't want them. There's not room to change your
mind about somebody. Bab conversation. We don't know that.

Speaker 5 (46:59):
Well, you leave him alone. You know what she wanted
to from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (47:03):
I don't know if it's in the same episode, but
she literally says she just wants some for sex.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
Is that that? Yeah, ma'am.

Speaker 5 (47:12):
Now back to Insecure.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
Ask Samantha, who's now having sex with Barkley. Found the
ultimate validation? Sex with Barkley?

Speaker 3 (47:21):
So where is it?

Speaker 1 (47:27):
What Cara, your friend Carry tell you about that? Don't
worry on me tape models. I won't mind.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
Fine, I'll make an exception.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
Cringe, Bro, exactly, just as cringe as it was last week.
I'm hearing I don't even want to record juices. Beg
please please record mes peaked Insecure. Oh my god, I agree.
I agree. He's like, I only agree model. I don't
even record models, but I'll make an exception for you.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Get out of me.

Speaker 5 (48:03):
I'm getting out of here like I can't.

Speaker 1 (48:06):
Sam is so inscared. Was that a boss move? Who
thinks I was a boss move? I mean, I guess
that's subjective to Samantha. Probably is a boss move. You
record models, and you recorded me Tomato tomatoo his own choice,
bitch you asked him about. And then the next scene,
Carry pisses me off again.

Speaker 5 (48:27):
Stanford calls like, hey.

Speaker 1 (48:28):
You know where Derek went last night? Hold on, Carry
literally hands Derek the phone and he's like, can I
speak to Cary? Like after Derek's like Colodus Stanford. Stanford's like,
put carry back on the phone. Brow, How could you?
I didn't. We just talked, you fake ass bitch. You
tried to sleep with him. The only reason y'all just

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laid there is because he chose to. So call this
your friend, like, relax, we didn't do anything. You're good.
It's because he didn't want to, not because you're a
good friend to me. So does that make him gay?
Is he gay because he did not go back home
with Carrie and have sex like a man or? It's Carrie,
not because y'all y'all perceived that she wanted to have
sex with him. I gotta watch it again to see that.
But that's what makes me feel like Carry is not

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a thirsty ass bitch like Samantha. I can bring this
man home, we can have a vibe, you can sleep
in my bed. I'm not going to beg you to
have sex with me at the end of the night.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
I think, what's the same the model guy Derek? Derek?
I feel like, Derek has standards and he wants small
town living. Carrie is in that because he did mention
he wants to go to what Idaho or Iowa one
of those high states, and he wants to get married
and be a comp So Carrie doesn't fit that. So

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if he has standards, he's not going to sleep with her.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
True. Yeah, And I don't. I don't think that a
man's a man's lack of promiscuity automatically equates to his
sexuality being questioned. No, I only questioned it because Carrie
and his Stanford's interest in him. So that's onlyas gonna
question it because I don't feel like Carrie's wrong. If
dude's not gay, my gay friend might want him, but
dude ain't gay, so I'm gonna get him.

Speaker 5 (50:08):
In that case, that's a bad friend, Carrie.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
Yeah, but he's not gay, So I can't have this
eligible bachelor because my gay friend wants him he's not gay.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
But still, like, I don't think sexuality makes a difference here.

Speaker 1 (50:22):
I can respect that. I feel like, if you're.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
Telling me you have a crush on this man and
he's your client, why would he go try and fuck him?

Speaker 1 (50:31):
There's so many. There's so many bachelors in New York,
are there? That's Carrie's whole point. Why are there so
many available single women but not so much available men?
On a day? Every episode put a different man, so
you don't have to take the man I got a
crush on. If you're my friend, they do go on
a date every single episode. That's the premise of the show.
But I think Carrie's belief is that there's not a

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lot of eligible bachelors out here. I know. I just
had an experience once where I had a crush on
a guy since I was fifteen years old. Me and
the guy were in a relationship. We flirted a little
bit here and there. And then when me and the
guy stopped working together so I didn't see him as often,
I found out my friend was flirting with him. And
it doesn't matter if that's my man or not. You

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knew that I had a crush on him, y'are him,
He's gonna want both of y'all.

Speaker 5 (51:18):
Friendship is friendship.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
Okay, let me ask you this, What if he was gay?

Speaker 5 (51:21):
Friendship is friendship.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
What if he was.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
Gay and your friend is gay and he wanted your
friend or your friend wanted to flirt with him.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
I personally respect my friendships like I'm not about to
do He's not a practice. I don't care. My friend
is attracted to him. My loyalties with my friend not
to that man.

Speaker 3 (51:39):
I feel like at least bring it up to me. Hey,
I'm interested in him. He's gay, He's my type. Can
I can I pursue that and that might be room
touching base would be the would make the difference for me.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Do you think that if Carrie bore him home that
night and he wanted to have sex with her, she
would have had sex with him. I just didn't get
a feel from that scene that they were going to
have sex. I'm gonna show you the clip real quick,
because it was very clear that Carrie was trying to
be convinto him.

Speaker 3 (52:05):
They're bad.

Speaker 1 (52:06):
It's not even a conversation.

Speaker 3 (52:08):
Yeah, they're in bed. They would have been chilling in her.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
I didn't see carry being like a Samantha like. Carrey
is not as forward like if he was in Samantha's
bed that night, Samantha's gonna get that dick. I don't
feel like like Samantha does in order to be making
a move. You know, there there's levels to it, right.
You don't got to be as out there as Samantha,
but you're still out there somewhat by what you're doing.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
So what did you do with your friend?

Speaker 1 (52:30):
I'm sorry your friend A confronted her, you know, and
going to fullh have sex. They just made out, So
it's okay to make out with your friends. I just
feel like, well, I still feel like we can agree
to disagree on that because there's a sexuality question here,
and why should I limit myself for something you're genuinely
not gonna ever be with, whether I date him or not,
you know, give or take, because people go both ways sometimes.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
But do you at least agree that she should have
brought it up to him.

Speaker 1 (52:58):
I agree that she should have brought it up to him.
I think that also, she didn't know what it was
between him and her until he made that move, and
she it led to where it led. I guess she
could have said no, absolutely not, I have to talk
to Stanford first.

Speaker 4 (53:09):
But I also think that stamp I didn't think Stanford
was mad or being serious about his crush. You know,
he sees beautiful men all the time. You make a
comment conclusion, you don't assume that.

Speaker 1 (53:23):
You know they've been working there her for some time too,
so I would imagine anyway.

Speaker 4 (53:29):
Okay, we know it's very personal to you, Kla, No, no, no,
I just I really am so loyal to my friends,
and that's just the line I don't cross when it
comes to friends, Like I just I don't.

Speaker 5 (53:39):
That's like a strong boundary for me.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
I don't do that.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
Yeah, I think if that would happen, it would make
me question your character and if.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
You had a whold of a sexuality, so like she
did it to her girls, Sammy char and Mirianda, I
think there's a sexuality thing here that makes it different.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Yeah, because I feel like Stanford assume he was that
because he was just a really handsome man.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Yeah, I don't think he's gay. But I don't think
he's gay, but I still think it's an issue that Carrie,
and that would hurt your friend hot model.

Speaker 4 (54:17):
Okay, so you find a guy attractive, you make a comment,
Oh he's really attractive. Did Stamford say he wanted to pursue?

Speaker 1 (54:23):
Carrie said, you're obsessed with him? You like him? Like,
like she literally says, you're you're obsessed with Derek, right, so,
regardless of the sexuality aspect, you doing that is going
to hurt Stanford's feelings. Why hurt your friend when there's
so many bachelors out there, Why hurt your friend? Just
my perspective, just I wouldn't do it. I know.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
No, No, let's ask the viewers, let us know what
you think had sex and the City of Angels.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
And then we go to Nick, who apparently is regretting
all the models. I've got to retire soon. They keeping
from getting work done and they make the fuck up
my life. Look at me, I'm an old man at
thirty four. So yeah, he was a hard thirty four.
But it's because he keeps dating models and they're stressing
them out. Two sides to the story. Because he was
an insecure man, he felt pressure to keep up with

(55:15):
the Joneses, pressure to keep up and carry himself a
certain way, and that weighs on you. So it sounds like, yeah,
I was weighing him down because at the end of
the day, you're not eligible for these models. You're playing
a role. Yeah, what do you mean?

Speaker 3 (55:28):
He was pressured his own friends are telling him telling
him don't date models.

Speaker 1 (55:32):
His own pressure to hold up to other men and
what they think about him. I'm only good enough to
have a model on my arm, and there's like, you
don't really believe that. Well, I don't know what he
believes or not, but if he's filling this on the
flip side, it's because he can't really handle all that
a model comes with. It's aging him, it's stressing him out.
Carry concludes beauty is unfair. It's like having a rent

(55:53):
control department overlooking the park. Unfair and bestowed upon those
who deserve it the least. It's like, why, see, that's
just for me, draws you don't think you're beautiful. That's subjective. Yeah,
you know, and you don't think you're beautiful, and that's unfortunate.
But she's writing in the coffee shop, and earlier on
the episode which I think I glossed over, Big did
ask her where do you usually work? Are you working

(56:14):
from home? And she's like, I work home and then
there's a coffee shop. She gave him the directions or
told him a coffee shop it is. She's writing later
in the episode, and mister Big does come to the
coffee shop to find her, so, yeah, he's definitely interested
in her. You know, and he's feeling her out. So
he walks into the coffee shop and he says he
can't stay, but he's been thinking about her story, and

(56:35):
he says, I'm not getting rubbed in.

Speaker 4 (56:37):
Your work, am I.

Speaker 3 (56:39):
Hey, I can't stay.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
I don't like for many but I've been thinking about
that article you're writing about Mano date models and what
about them. First of all, well, there are so many
goddamn gorgeous women out there in this city.

Speaker 3 (56:53):
What an amazing observation. But the thing is this.

Speaker 1 (57:00):
After a while, to make you laugh what I mean,
it's very sweet, That's very sweet. I feel like in
that moment, Carrie said a little bit of a boundary,
not a boundary, but it's the first time she kind
of let big now rocket science like you in here
and talking to.

Speaker 3 (57:18):
Me for I feel he's bread crumbing her. And honestly,
if this is his way of trying to get me interested,
or this is a way for a man to try
to get me interested and like, I don't know, just
interested in general, this wouldn't be the ideal way for me.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
I'd be flattered. I met a man a week ago
somewhere random. I told him where I be and he
made it a point to show up to where i'd be.
That's effort. That's like, that's not the minimum. I mean,
you know, he obviously didn't he wasn't direct, so I
can't say, oh, he just showed up here. Maybe he
happened to be I would probably second guess it, but
I mean, I can't stay.

Speaker 5 (57:55):
Long, and I've been thinking about it. So he literally
just came for you.

Speaker 1 (57:58):
And remember our last conversation.

Speaker 3 (58:00):
Well, I get that. I get that. I'm not saying
that he is not showing interests, but ideally for me
it wouldn't be. I wouldn't like that. I again, it
just really shows his kind of character and for me
now it would be a turn off.

Speaker 1 (58:17):
Carrie smiles big, huge, Big walks out, and then Carrie says,
I take that back. Beauty is fleeting, but a run
controlled apartment overlooking the park is forever.

Speaker 5 (58:31):
So I guess she values a rencontrol apartment over beauty.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
I want to backtrack. I love it. I feel like
Big made a really important point to aside from stalking
character coffee shop dating models is great. You know, Oh
you're lucky to have that girl in your arm. She's beautiful,
but yeah, it is like, not something's gonna last forever.
At the end of the day, you need a stronger
foundation with somebody, and Big acknowledge that, like, I'm gonna
play around, but at the end of the day, you

(58:56):
want somebody real, you want somebody ground it. So I
feel like that's a powerful point too, to point out
what Will Big said to her at that moment. And
then Carrie's concluded with beauty is fleeting. That's not gonna
last for ever. These models, their career is going to expire.

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Yeah, But I also think that they shouldn't compare themselves
to models to make themselves feel better. And I think
that that goes to looking for reasons to bring other people.

Speaker 1 (59:20):
Down, to lift yourself up.

Speaker 4 (59:23):
Yeah, to make an excuse for why you feel that way,
and to point out that you know, she's smart, she
has your career, she has her apartment, all of these
things that make her because she's comparing it. I may
not be beautiful like a model, but I have all
these other attributes And why does it have to be
either or I feel like you could be all of

(59:43):
that and a woman could. We don't know what those models,
they could be just as smart. We don't know that
we're judging them based on their looks.

Speaker 3 (59:50):
I got a little lost. It's just because I have
a really hard time romantic seeing this quote unquote love
story because we know how it plays out.

Speaker 5 (01:00:05):
Nah, but you really got to see the episode.

Speaker 1 (01:00:07):
Like, I know you've seen the whole thing, But in
this episode, he's putting forth the effort. He's saying, you know,
I do love the models. Back at the end of
the day, I just want to be with the one
that makes me laugh.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
But see, that's the problem you're you're seeing this as effort.

Speaker 1 (01:00:20):
Is talking about. If you think about the whole series,
there are factors that played into everything. This is Big
and Carry in the beginning, before all that happened, before
he went to Paris and me.

Speaker 3 (01:00:31):
At the bitches. The thing is that, okay, fine, just
on these two episodes, Yeah, there is interest from Big,
but is he really putting an effort aside from him
visiting Carrie at the coffee shop?

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
That's it.

Speaker 3 (01:00:47):
This is the most effort he's done, and number an
intentional one. I mean, he's so dating models throughout this
whole time, right, So it's like, I don't know, It's
just I can't wrap my head around that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:02):
But my point with all of this wasn't even their relationship.
It was the fact that she was stating what she
said at the end, you know, the apartment and beauteous fleeting.
We all know beauty is fleeting. But that goes back
to how she perceives mister BIG's type, right, and it
goes back to her insecurities. And that's what I was
referring to, not so much the relationship.

Speaker 1 (01:01:23):
Yeah, yeah, true, true, true. I think our inseecurities did
play a major role. Okay, now we're going to get
into the cringiest moments of the episode. Uh So, the
first part is the way that they just talked about
models throughout the entire episode, giraffes with tits. I don't
even know what else they said, but it was very condescending,
very judgmental, as if these women are not worth anything

(01:01:45):
but beauty and sex, no brains, nothing else to bring
to the table. They're stupid and lazy and they should
be shot out site. And then the second cringiest moments
of the episode is the man recording sex with a
woman who was unaware and without her consent, and then
they just make it seem like it's okay, to the
point where Carrie lifts up a cigarette and watches it
with him as if they're watching an episode of Sex

(01:02:06):
in the City on HBO.

Speaker 3 (01:02:12):
Do they know about this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Maybe?

Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
And the third cringiest part is Skipper bagging Miranda to
call him back to the point where he's asking her
friend what's up with her? He's stalking Miranda wherever. He
just showed up randomly wherever she was at. So yeah,
just a stalking ass dude. Red flag number one, thanks Aeliah.
So what do y'all vote? Is the most cringiest part
of the episode. Mmm, I'm have to give it. I

(01:02:38):
really want to give it to the way they talked
about models, But the man recording the woman with sex
and they are unaware is just completely, completely.

Speaker 5 (01:02:46):
Completely unacceptable in twenty twenty four. I agree with you,
Kayla agreed norms.

Speaker 3 (01:02:52):
I like, yeah, I I've been I am struggling with
this one. I feel the cringiest moment is the way
they talked about models, because the.

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
Way they talk abou mottles the other way to talk
about model.

Speaker 4 (01:03:08):
But look at the way he treated the models by
not even giving them consent to record. That is wild.
You can talk all you want about women, but it's
how you actually treat them at the end. And he
disrespected them by recording them without their consent and they
had no idea that he was using it for his
pleasure and showing people what he was doing to them.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
No, I mean, thank you Dana for elaborating. I agree.
The thing is that maybe I expect that from men,
but I don't expect the how savage the woman were
towards other women. Maybe that's why I can get over that.
But let me change my mind. Yes, the cringiest moment
is Barkley recording models having while they were having sex

(01:03:53):
without consent.

Speaker 1 (01:03:54):
I agree on the cringiest moments on the episode.

Speaker 3 (01:03:57):
So now let's go into sex and the social media.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Thanks Norms.

Speaker 3 (01:04:01):
Let's start with at Dumb and Fun says. One thing
that always bothered me about Sex and the City is
how stylish Carrie is with her outfits and wardrobe, but
how bland and unassuming her apartment was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Y damn agreed. Agreed, Yeah, who carries a bougie ass bitch,
but her apartment did not match up to the Well.

Speaker 3 (01:04:22):
Actually, her apartment is different than the first two episodes,
and I think it changed in episode three.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
I agree, fashion over it better. And I think her
fashion isn't even up to part in season one. Okay,
you know, like she didn't become I mean, she may
be a FASHIONISTUOD generally, but I feel like they kind
of that might have been one thing that she worded
elevated over the course of the season, her fashion, and
in the new series, oh yeah, it took it to
a whole nother level with.

Speaker 3 (01:04:49):
Care fashion at JP Brammer says, watched all of season
one of Sex and the City on the plane. If
Carrie Bradshaw was putting my business out there in a
week column like that, I would have handled it here immediately. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
See that. That's what I was saying a little bit
earlier in the episode, because I think I wouldn't like
it either if I'm reading my friend's column, Week's a
week in all my business, even if I'm under it
out Elias, Yeah, why are you telling my story?

Speaker 3 (01:05:13):
Sure? Yeah right, And they never touch on it they
do it in any of the episodes, Like they've never
mentioned that they read the columns or anything.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Right, only Big does. And that's how I knew that
Big was not big in the column, but no one
else ever mentioned it.

Speaker 3 (01:05:28):
JP Brammers also says watching Sex in the City for
the first time and enjoying the little conundrums the show
cooks up. Everyone knows the modelizer a guy who exclusively
hooks up with runway models. No, I do not, but
they will be dealt with.

Speaker 1 (01:05:43):
Yeah, I can't say I do any modelizers. I feel like,
if anything, it's more well, I think of the colorism thing,
but I don't even know how many people feed into
that versus like Chris Brown. But I do think in
this day and age, we deal with the colorism or
what about they had the Instagram models, the Instagram models,
not models with the Instagram mother.

Speaker 3 (01:06:01):
Yeah at Sam Grease says, if the narration in Sex
and the City is supposed to be Carrie's column, then
why aren't Miranda, Samantha, and Charlotte known around New York
like Carrie is a good question.

Speaker 5 (01:06:15):
Yeah, I'm assuming they're under Elis as well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:17):
Yeah, but if you see these girls hanging out with Carrie,
wouldn't you assume they're close friends? And I might be
the ones on the column.

Speaker 1 (01:06:25):
I feel like, also, Carrie isn't she's kind of like
if if you know, you know, she's not like automatically
like Beyonce out there. She's like, if you're interested in
what she has to offer, then you may know who
she is, but she's not you know that the literary.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Coming up and coming influencer. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:06:46):
Yeah, that was season one, episode two of Sex and
the City of Angels. Make sure you follow us at
Sex and the City of Angels, follow me at the
Kayla Austin at Yogi Underscore, Alia a l I y.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
A, It's at day Now at Norms Lawahack, and we
will see you as we break down Episode three.

Speaker 1 (01:07:12):
Bye bye,