Ep.3- Loser, Leper, Whore!

In this episode we are covering S1 Ep3 of Sex and the City, Bay of Married Pigs. Married vs Single. Do single women become the enemy of married women? If you are single are you viewed as a loser? A leper? Or even a whore? We break it all down!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Sex in the City of Angels podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Welcome back to Sex in the City of angel.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
Okay, I'm Leah, Kai, I'm Dana, I'm normal.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
And we are four single women in our thirties who
happened to love sex and the city. We already broke
down episode one and two, and now we are covering
episode three Bay of Married Higgs. After the classic intro,
the episode starts with Carrie Brashaw saying the best thing

(00:48):
about living in New York is leaving it. She visits
her friend Patients and her husband in the Hamptons for
the weekend. She says that they were the perfect couple.
They're smart, funny, and look like they fell out of
a J Crew catalog.

Speaker 3 (01:02):
If their house wasn't right on the beach, I would
have hated them.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
Going back to the last episode about how Carrie is
a user, but okay, she wants to use the house
in Nansince and she likes them because of it, like
real fake, Like they won't even be your friends. If
they didn't have a house life, I would have hated them, right, Carrie, Carrie.
Carrie is telling her hot dating stories. She says that
she has to sing for supper and singing for supper
is her sharing her sexcapades to her married friends. She says,

(01:27):
brokers give investment advice, architects give design advice, and single
people give their married friends tidbits from their sexual escapades.
And I can relate to that. I've had plenty of
friends in relationships tell me that they live vicariously through
my stories. I don't know. I don't update my married
friends with my sexual life, so I don't relate to that. Likewise,

(01:49):
her friends look so interested as she's telling them all
the stories, like it's the juiciest thing they've heard all week.
And then we go into the next day. Carrie wakes
up and she hops out of bed, excited to see
the spectacular view, but instead of the beach, she sees
a different kind of view, being her friend Patient's husband, Duck.

(02:11):
Patients went out to choose some muffins. Right, He's talking
to her all normal about juice and muffles, like his
about juice and muffins like his Peepee isn't hanging out
super awkward, right, Aliah?

Speaker 4 (02:23):
Honestly, Aliah, more than just awkward. The fact that I
thought it was just so disrespectful.

Speaker 2 (02:29):
I agree Dana.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
You know, yeah, so disrespectful and it seems like it
was on purpose. No, yeah, is very on purpose. And
because that's just telling.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
It is, Carrie is like, I didn't know what to
do or say, and she just smiles politely and walks away.
She narrates that this is way too much Peter before coffee,
I should have turned around and ran back in her room.
She did just linger a little bit too long, have
casual conversation with him, stare at his dick a little bit.
She did the most a.

Speaker 1 (02:58):
Lot of it. Wait, wait, can we point out how
she's wearing sea through PG. I also was thrown off
by that bathing suit.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, she just woke up. She was just I don't
know where she was on her way to, but she
had on pants at the end of.

Speaker 1 (03:14):
That was so cringed too, though, But it was see through.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I did see it, but it wasn't mesh. It was
kind of like one of those pants where if you see,
you see, but it's not really meant to be. I
probably wouldn't pack something like that if I'm saying with
my married friend. But I just packed something a little
bit more conservative but not just not just me. And
if and if I walk out and my man, my
friend's man is showing me his zeke, I would.

Speaker 1 (03:41):
Walk right into your room instead of just standing there.

Speaker 4 (03:45):
Oh god, what are you doing?

Speaker 2 (03:47):
That's what I feel like.

Speaker 1 (03:48):
She was gawking on it.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I don't mean it was something the goat. Apparently afterwards,
Patience comes home with the muffins and juice that she
was grabbing, and Carrie lets her know exactly what happened.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, I ran into Peter in the hallway without his
underwear on ps.

Speaker 2 (04:06):
Congratulations, why would you say that? Carry? I would be
so mad, like girl what? I just feel like there's
no right way to handle that situation. It's completely awkward.
I don't think there's any way you can walk up
to a woman and tell her what her man just
did and not be made public enemy number one. It's
just not okay.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
I thought I actually thought that he would do that
it was a common thing to do. Because he made
it seem like it was not a big deal.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
I feel like he was speeling her out. Here's my dick,
what you're gonna do with it? Oh? And he was
acting real cooy real, Oh, I'm not doing that wrong,
like he's testing out the single friend in my opinion, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
I agree with you, Aliyah and Dana. I feel like
he this isn't the first time he does this.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Yeah, Patients questions her husband and he's like, oh, yeah,
she ran into me on the way to the bathroom.
He was all nonchalant about it, and Patience clearly doesn't believe.
And Carol reacts shocked, like, I just ran into you,
like on the way to the bathroom, like you're lying,
But she doesn't say anything, and he nonchalantly changed the
subject like, oh, but these are some good muffins you

(05:10):
brought home, honey, and great ones. And Carrie tries to
make the reaction less awkward by just continuing the conversation.

Speaker 3 (05:19):
What are we doing today?

Speaker 2 (05:21):
And before she could even grab one of those very
tasty muffins, passion Patients said, get the fuck out, you
take your ass back to New York.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
I mean, what was she expecting? If you're going to
bring it up, I wouldn't have expected to just stay there.
I would have left you like the same thing.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
You know, you're starting an argument between a wife and
husband when you bring something up like that. I don't
know how you expected to receive that information.

Speaker 1 (05:42):
Does she play dumb or is she dumb?

Speaker 4 (05:45):
She was dumb? Yeah, So what do you do? Do
you not say anything? Do you keep quiet? Because it's
just like you don't want to sabotage your friendship.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
I personally think you don't say anything. You didn't do anything.
He didn't do anything that n happened.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
But if you're going to bring it up, you're bringing
it up for a reason. And I would have brought
it up and left.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Like that made me uncomfortable. Yeah, I probably wouldn't let
my friend know, like, Yo, I saw you man was
naked in the hallway, but I wouldn't say congratulations on
your man's penis. I definitely wouldn't have said that. But
I would have let my friend know what that your
husband made me uncomfortable. And if I'm the bad guy
for that, then God bless you in your marriage. Maybe
there's a time and place to address that. Yeah, maybe
minute she comes back. Just how do you expect to

(06:21):
move forward? Three of you for the rest of the weekend.
Then we get carried away and our four girls are
doing we love most, lunching, talking and shooting the shits.
Shar asks why would he do that? Did he want
to have sex with you. Carrie's like it didn't feel sexual,
Sammy Joe's like maybe he just wanted to show it

(06:42):
off like a monkey. How big was it? At the
perfect time, the waiter walks up with that big pepper
mill when they're like more pepper, so you know that
big thing, and they're implying that that was the size
of his penis because also Carrie gave a nod like
that like that, and the waiters like, oh, oh, do
you guys need more pepper? And of course Samantha's freaky
ass is like, oh honey, I.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
Love some fresh pepper.

Speaker 3 (07:05):
In fact, I think everyone at this table could use
a lot of fresh pep.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
My girls need some dick. Carrie's like, I don't understand
why his wife was so upset, And then the wife
told her she wouldn't understand because she's single, and I
think single Mary taking flosying around whatever, you won't understand
why a wife is upset that you just saw her

(07:30):
man's dick in this that congratulations. I think Carrie felt
like she was innocent, like I told you, I tried
to move past it, so why couldn't the wife move
past it? So I think that was Carrie's just come
from that single perspective of with the problem. But when
you're in a marriage, that's a big problem. So I
think that's where the disconnect was. I can see that.

(07:50):
I can see that. But as a single woman, I
get it, like you have everybody to be offended that
not at me, not at me, but you do talk
to your husband about that, HM, get your get your man.
Miranda's like, what is she saying? Single woman proud at
beach houses, hoping for a glance at their friend's husband's
dis I was like, how good of a friend was she?

(08:11):
Miranda's like, it doesn't matter. When your friend gets married,
all bets are off you and you're single one are
now the enemy. When you become single, you are now
the married person's enemy. Yeah, I mean I do feel like,
I mean, you don't have to be their enemy. That's
an extreme statement, but dynamics do shift. There's a certain
way to carry yourself when you're hanging around a married couple,
when you're staying in their home. So I don't know

(08:32):
that you automatically become the enemy, but dynamics definitely do shift.

Speaker 1 (08:36):
I agree, I agree, but it's not that we become
the enemy, but or we become the enemy for specific
women who are the overly jealous type. Right, because I
have been in this situation where a supposed friend kind
of threw a fit and made me really uncomfortable, and

(08:57):
it just really makes me question, like, no one's after
your guy, But why do you feel like you're you're
always in the in the defense or on the defensive.

Speaker 2 (09:07):
How do you think trust her?

Speaker 1 (09:08):
Dude?

Speaker 2 (09:08):
That's probably what it comes down to. My married friend
definitely told me she feels like everybody wants her husband,
and it's like.

Speaker 1 (09:14):
Oh, get over yourself.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
Honestly, I don't know what that's about. So do you
see him in such as grand light that you think
everybody else does as well?

Speaker 4 (09:22):
Well, okay, so let me ask this question. So, because
you get married, if your husband's in the wrong, do
you automatically should you automatically take their side if they're
in the wrong, Because clearly, in this instance, Carrie was
literally just a bystander just walking by. It's not like
she walked into the door and walked into the restroom
and then it wasn't deliberate, you know, it was on accident.

(09:44):
So it's just like, do you check your man, you know,
in front of her or close doors, or do you
have to cut the friendship off.

Speaker 2 (09:53):
I feel like when it's a marriage, it's it's complicated.
How do you handle it? It's a marriage, it's deep.
This is like, I'm sposed to trust him. This is
potentially the father of my kids. We own things together,
we have money together. So I just feel like it's
so deep that you can't shatter someone else's reality. You
know what, You're right, Aliyah. In that case, I probably
wouldn't have said anything. Going back to earlier in the episode,

(10:15):
this is a marriage. This isn't just a boyfriend. That's
your whole family. I'm always gonna be less than him.
I'm always gonna be in the wrong. That's your problem.
That's what you gotta deal with. I'm gonna go back
to my single them happy over here. I got my
man doing that because I ain't got one and nothing happened.
If there's something to tell her or something to tell her,
but what's the point of planting a seat in someone's
marriage that your man might have been inappropriate? I mean,
he wasn't appropriate, but I still think you're right. Nothing

(10:39):
sexual happened and it's no point in running and telling that.
But Sammy Joe feels like married women are threatened by
single women because we can have sex anytime, anywhere and
with anyone. Can we That was carry said, She said,
we can, Sammy can, Sammy Joe? Sammy does.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I don't.

Speaker 4 (10:55):
I don't know if I agree with that statement that
Sammy said. I think it's deeper than just that.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
Yeah, you know, I agree, I agree, Dana. Yeah, Sammy
Joe says that they're afraid that we're going to have
sex with their husbands. And Charlotte's like, I've never been
with a married man. Have any of you ever been
a married man? No, be honest, it's just us year.

Speaker 1 (11:16):
But like Samantha says, how do you know? How do
you know? How do you honestly?

Speaker 4 (11:22):
Because especially yeah, especially like if you're doing online dating,
you assume they're single. But you know Revol and you
know Kila we do happy hour. Yeah, so there's a
lot of men there. Oh, you're right, you know, it's
just like they don't have their rings or they do.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
So the question should be how many have how many
of y'all have slept with the married men? Knowingly?

Speaker 2 (11:49):
I've never slept with a married man. Me neither have
I had a married man buy me a drink at
the bar as that ain't my problem, right sorry?

Speaker 4 (12:00):
Even salsa dance, remember.

Speaker 1 (12:04):
Wait, I want to know more.

Speaker 2 (12:07):
Charlotte defends the married woman, saying not all of them
feel that way, which is true. There are some women
who are confident in their marriage, confident in their relationship,
confident in that man. And I really love being around
those kind of couples who aren't making me feel like
a villain just for being cute and single.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
They're rare. Those kind of couples are rare.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
I do agree, it's an awkward dynamic. I feel like
when you're single. I don't know, it's just the underlying
discomfort of how you carry yourself as a single woman
in relationships or Miranda's like, they either fear you, and
if they don't fear you, they pity you. And I
think that that's kind of a little bit true. Like, yeah,
I think there is in between. But I have been pitied.

(12:44):
I have been made to feel like a villain, and
it's like, yo, I'm just happy dogs Like I really
like myself, I like my company. Yeah, that's what I mean.
The underlying assumption of how I should perceive you. There's
they're going to tell themselves a story about you.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Yeah, I totally agreed with Sam Samantha in this episode,
and I feel like I've been in this situation. That's
why I am very, very selective as to which married
couples or couples I hang out with. It's very few,
and I definitely don't travel with couples anymore.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
No, Yeah, I don't like, I don't enjoy being a
third will I will not come. I do feel like
I've been in a similar situation like this. I won't
say too much, but I do feel like I was
around a married couple where the husband was kind of
putting feelers out there to assess what type of single
woman I was, whether I was going to try to
make a move on him or or like he did
something not so extreme as in this episode, but like
a little crack, as if he was opening the door

(13:36):
in some ways his wife there not in the same
room at the same time. But yeah, I have been
in vicinity.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
I've been in situations where the guy doesn't do or
acts that way, and I definitely don't, but the woman
still acts a little toxic.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
I see that too.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Mm hm.

Speaker 2 (13:55):
But I am so agreeing with this as far as
the pitying part, like where it's like, oh, you're single.
Are you telling me you haven't gotten those poor single
you looks? Not hate those? Okay, yes I have.

Speaker 4 (14:09):
I hit it when you're the only single.

Speaker 3 (14:10):
Person at a dinner party and they all look at
you like you're a loser.

Speaker 2 (14:14):
Horror exactly, loser leper whoor And I've definitely gotten those
vibes before.

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Yeah, try going to a weddings alone with no date.
You'll I feel like I've gotten in those looks.

Speaker 2 (14:28):
Or it's like, oh, you're.

Speaker 1 (14:29):
Going alone, Oh, how courageous of you. I'm going for
the food.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
I'm just kidding here for the open bar for the party, right.
I feel like I get that from older people or
like men, I've gotten that from men in the past.
You're like, why are you still single? Why are you
still single? And it did make me feel like something's
wrong with me because I'm still single or whatever. But yeah,
you do get just certain certain level of judgment for
being a single woman, or they're trying to hook you up,
like you're not good, You're not good in you're single, doom?
Why are you single? Can I hook you up with

(14:56):
this person of that person? Like? Nah, I will find
my person or.

Speaker 4 (14:59):
Maybe you're it's so amazing that they you know, you
should share your greatness with someone else.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Yeah, can. I I'd like to add that I think
at one point I did pity myself for being single.
And I've been single my whole life. I've had little
situationships here, but no real stable relationships. So I've been
single my whole life. And at one point I did
have that. I felt pitty towards myself and not anymore.

(15:25):
But so if I felt that, I'm sure other people
felt it.

Speaker 3 (15:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:29):
I felt that for myself too, because as a thirty
five year old woman, I expected to have all of
that by now. So of course I'm accepting of where
I'm at now, but I did have to go through
some emotions to like accept or mourn what I thought
my life would look like at this point. Yeah, and
I will. I mean, I don't know if my relationships

(15:50):
have changed when my friends became married. I don't think
close friends became an enemy. I think they know I
wouldn't do anything with their man. But Miranda does say
married people are the enemy. And I wouldn't say the enemy,
especially with my close friends. But I do feel a
level of you know, expectation of you know, when will

(16:13):
it happen for you too? Type thing?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
You know?

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Yeah, yeah, I have a co worker who talks about
that all the time amongst her friend group. I don't
feel that amongst my friend group because I still have
like single friends. But yeah, I know that certain women,
if everyone's around you marry, they want that for their
single friend as well. And then we go through the
streets and the streets talking.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Is there a secret cold war between marrieds and singles.
I love my single friends, but now that I'm married,
I don't see.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
Them as much as I used to. It's too painful.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
They remind me of how desperate I.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
Used to be.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
When women get married, they forget who they are. I
becomes we we loved the movie, We hate that restaurant,
We we we we we my.

Speaker 1 (16:59):
Best buddy and I do everything Manny married.

Speaker 3 (17:02):
This girl doesn't like that.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Now I only seem super whole Sunday.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
There's a level of love. I'm better than you because
I have this, or you know, you just lose your
friend because now there are a couple, and that definitely
happened to me. I was definitely a number one player
in a very close friend's life and when she got
married the back burner, I was put on a guy.
But it's just what happens in life. Did you feel
like she felt like you were desperate or it was
too painful to hang around you, or she had to

(17:27):
put a certain distance because you were still single. No,
I feel like it was the we we we we
wee thing and it just became about, you know, mainly
her life for him.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
And I agree with that. You know, we talked about
dynamics or the dynamics of a married couple, right. I
feel like to an extent with my friends who are
in a relationship, I don't it doesn't function the same way.
I don't feel too comfortable randomly calling you at nine pm,

(17:56):
Hey let's go get something to eat, or like a
random night out. No, because it's like you're in a relationship,
you live with your partner. There's boundaries, different dynamics, and
I respect that. So I feel like I also do
that on my end. Yeah, you know, you know boundaries.

Speaker 2 (18:15):
Yeah, even my married friends. When I've had like birthday vacations,
I will invite them, I guess, but or not even married,
but just in long term relationships with children, I wouldn't
expect you to really come because you have kids and
just so many things, like I don't see you going
on a girls trip. That's really truly. Yeah, I think
that my married friends are in a chapter where it's
just about their husband and their kids. They'll they'll check

(18:35):
it on me. How are you girls? But your day
to day I'm not a thought And that's okay. Yeah,
it was a transition for me, but I'm okay with
that because I am very good with myself.

Speaker 1 (18:46):
I respect that, you know. But I feel like I
did get to a point where I was kind of
praying for more single friends because most of my friends
are in relationships and I was praying for single friends
and then this happened. But honestly, yeah, I wanted to
have more single friends.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
In the next scene, we're back with our good old Stanford.
We love Stanny, and he talks about how married life
affects the gay community. He's like, every gay man is
running to Hawaii, putting on a calfstan and Orchid lads
and reciting vows because in this year nineteen ninety eight,
gay marriage wasn't legal yet, so that was the gay
form of marriage. And Stanford's like, he misses the old

(19:28):
days when everyone was alone, and now he's an outcast
in the outcast because I guess at that point gays
were outcasts, and he's an outcast in his own community,
which is just really insightful. And at that point Carrie's
friend who is now gay, I think, well, she knew him,
he was straight, but he's gay. Now he's walking down
the street with his partner. And this is a very
extreme thing that was asked of them. They asked carry like, hey,

(19:51):
I haven't seen you in a long time, but me
and my partner we want to have a kid. You
mind giving us your age And she's like the don't answer. Now,
here's our business card. Let me know how you feel.

Speaker 3 (20:00):
Just experienced single bashing for the new millennium. I was
no longer even considered a person. I was now an
egg farm.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Do you feel like you're single them takes away from
you being a human? No, I wouldn't say that. Yeah,
that was exaggerated, that was extreme.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
I think in different settings it does. And I'm trying
to think of a particular example. But I do feel
people do view you differently for single and childless.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
Yeah. Yeah, I feel like they're making assumptions about you,
Like I do think it's like, not like what's wrong
with you, but maybe like why don't you married? Yeah,
it is kind of what's wrong with you? What is
your deal? Are you just in the streets? Are are
you not interested? So I do think there's a judgment
put on you, but not human. No, Yeah, that was extreme.
That was definitely exaggerated, but a judgment for sure. I've
thought about carrying babies for other women. I think they

(20:45):
wone ever asked me, but I will. After a certain age,
I thought, well, fuck it, like.

Speaker 4 (20:51):
I have been considered to. Someone did ask me once.
Really they paid me like some chain.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
How old were you?

Speaker 4 (20:58):
This was like a couple of years ago. Yeah, much money.
I think it was like ninety five really, yes, yeah,
But then I thought about it. I thought about it,
and I was like, it's not worth it.

Speaker 2 (21:08):
It's ten thousand a month to feel like that's.

Speaker 4 (21:12):
Honestly yeah, and it's not even your kid, and you're
having like all these hormonal changes and everybody's changing, and
then you just know it wasn't worth it.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
It's like that people forget that giving birth could be fatal, sue.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
Dangerous because my life worth ninety five K, right, body
worth ninety five K. Don't know why to stand on
your boundaries?

Speaker 4 (21:29):
Yeah. Period.

Speaker 2 (21:30):
The scene changes to Miranda at her firm's annual softball game.
A man named Jeff walks up and he's so proud
of himself. He wants to hook Miranda up with his friend,
and he does. He's like, Yo, here's there here, like
come on, and he realizes that. Miranda realizes that the
friend that Jeff wants to hook her up with is
actually a girl, and she's like, Yo, what huh you

(21:53):
thought I want? I wanted girls. I've been with a
firm ade months. I haven't won scending with a guy circumstantial, Jeff,
I'm single, single, not gay. This single equates to gay
these days, and also is just like in nineteen ninety eight,
where everybody's just gay. This is the third episode and
somebody's always been accused of or question about their sexuality.
That's true. I kind of understand why the gay community was.

Speaker 4 (22:13):
Offended, but I think it's the way she looked.

Speaker 2 (22:18):
Nixon's a lesbian.

Speaker 4 (22:19):
Yes, oh really, yeah, I mean, but she wasn't supposed
to be for her role.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
You're not supposed to bring your real self into your
acting roles. So although she is a lesbian, maybe there
was some energy coming through.

Speaker 4 (22:29):
It was her whole like aesthetic. Yeah, she had no chapstick.
You know, it looked very I agree.

Speaker 1 (22:39):
I agree, and it presumed. As much as this hurts
me to admit, I've I related to Miranda so much
in this one scene.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Got it hurts you.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
You're on a redhead, we're natural redhead. But I only
because yeah, I just I really related to her because
I feel like this is my experience. Again, I just
mentioned I've always been single, and I feel like there's
a lot of family members who swear I'm a lesbian
because I've never brought a guy home, you know. So

(23:11):
this really hid close to home or hit home for me.
So yeah, I really connected to her right now.

Speaker 2 (23:19):
And full transparency, I think I'm the family member that's like, oh,
you sure you don't like girls?

Speaker 1 (23:24):
You want to go?

Speaker 2 (23:26):
I think it speaks to how people just make all
these assumptions about single people. That's the thing about the
marrieds versus the single you're single, they're going to judge you. Yeah,
are you a lesbian?

Speaker 1 (23:35):
Are you?

Speaker 4 (23:36):
Like?

Speaker 2 (23:36):
What is your deal?

Speaker 4 (23:37):
Why?

Speaker 2 (23:37):
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (23:38):
Yeah? And Kayla, I used to get really mad when
people would question me. But how do you how do
you feel now when family questions you your sexuality?

Speaker 2 (23:47):
My question my sexuality? But to be fair? What but
to be fair? Norms to your point, I don't think
I would like it, so I won't want to. I
won't do that going forward. But I also wanted my
cousin to know that we would accept her and love
her regardless. Just bring home your girlfriend. But I just

(24:09):
want to say that I respect how Miranda moved in
the scene. Doue bought somebody for her. She walked up,
saw the girl turn right back around and just like
is this The girl was like sixty behind her, just
looking at her. Have the whole interaction. I'm not gay,
He's like, you want me to tell her? Nah, I
will tell her. I'll go handle this. So I just
appreciate them. Miranda handed it very directly, very assertively, very bluntly.

(24:31):
I respect. Until she went out with and because they
kicked ass in the game Charles. She did hang out
with the girl throughout the softball game. They won a
partner named Charles. Is like, Miranda, call me Chip, you
should hang out. We all have a couple things, every talk,
every whatever, and we would love for you to come.

Speaker 3 (24:47):
So you're actually gonna go through with the dinner.

Speaker 4 (24:49):
Yeah, I'm determined to make partner in this firm, even
if I have to be a lesbian partner.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
I guess it just speaks to like, you know, like,
like I said, if you're single, people are making assumptions
about you. When you're in a couple, I guess you're
invite into some special club that I can't speak to
because I'm still single. But I guess there's some level
of respect or like, yeah, now we're comfortable around you.
You're not a threat to my situation. You know, we
can bond, We can bond as a couple with another couple.

(25:14):
So it brings you and your partner together with another
person in their partner. So I kind of see that,
you know, like why Miranda would do that to be
welcome into a certain club, especially when it's work related.

Speaker 4 (25:24):
I think it's very like strategic, you know, playing.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
The long game chest not checkers.

Speaker 1 (25:30):
Okay, Dana, you said that. I just wanted to point
out that they do have the same aesthetic, like they
those two, How can you not? I would have also
question of Miranda was standing girl can't.

Speaker 2 (25:44):
Have short hair. We're a hoodie but out looking like
a leo.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
But not just her physical look, it's her the energy she.

Speaker 4 (25:51):
Puts out masculine.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (25:53):
Sure, she's very dominant, likes to, you know, run shit,
and she definitely you know, gives that energy. So she
got it back, you know.

Speaker 2 (26:04):
Yeah. And the next scene carries that lunch with her
married friends to get some research done and put herself
into the field. As she says, the couple seems really
comfortable with each other, and they ask Carrie is she
okay with being single?

Speaker 3 (26:16):
And then there are the other times, you know, like
like family functions when you're the only one that's not
married and they sit you at the kids table, or
when you two eat off the same floor.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
I think that's what I'm most insecure on my singletom,
when I'm around like a really happy couple, when I'm insecure.
I'm most insecure when I'm out and about by myself,
Like if I go see a movie by myself or
treat myself to dinner, from shopping or just board for
the day and trying to figure out what to do
it myself for the day, or even if I'm scrolling
through like Netflix or whatever streaming service and there's like
a new movie that's there and I just wish I

(26:48):
had a person to like enjoy this movie with me.
You know, I wouldn't say it's insecure, but those are
the times that I wish that I had someone else.

Speaker 4 (26:55):
I definitely love my singleness. I love rediscovery things on
my own solo, like you know, trying new places. I
haven't done the movies by myself, but that is something
on my bucket list that I definitely want to do.
I think it would be during the holidays or the
Christmas time when you see like Igone and you see

(27:19):
all those things and it's just like that kind of
reminds you, But it doesn't mean you should feel bad,
because it's better to be alone and happy than to
be in a relationship unhappy and just for the sake
of the holidays and cuffing season all this, you know, stupidity.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
Yeah, I feel like people that tolerate toxic relationships are
even held to a higher esteem than single people.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
M h. First of all, don't ask me stupid questions.
The way they post that question that couple annoying. But
I think it's when I'm sick. When I'm because I
live alone, so I'm sick and I can't get out
of bed. If I don't cook for myself, who the
hell's going to fit me? Feed me? So I think
my most vulnerable that's about state, is when I'm sick

(28:03):
alone at home. That's where I really wish I had
someone that I can just text and day be there immediately. Yeah,
what about you, Kila?

Speaker 2 (28:13):
I think I said when when I'm when I'm with
happy couples and I'm the third will and when I
see like when I see other people out and about
and happy, and I kind of want that for myself
a little bit. He then asked Carrie, but you want
to be married, right, and Carrie says, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (28:29):
I'm beginning to think I may not be the marrying
kind really, No sooner had the words come out of
my mouth, and I wondered if they were true.

Speaker 2 (28:36):
I think sometimes like people do that, they're like, I'm okay,
am I single time? I don't want to. I don't
even want to get married. I don't even want to
have kids. It's just not even in me. Like, I
think people do that to comfort themselves with where they
are in life right now, and then they kind of
regret it, but they don't see because these are Carrie's thoughts,
right Like, I don't know, I'm sorry to think I'm
not the marrying kind. And then she regretted it, but
I don't know if she ever corrected it to them,

(28:57):
because it's like, that's my face just in case it
never happens. You hurt me say it I'm not the
marrying kind. Yeah, I think it's a defense mechanism.

Speaker 4 (29:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
I even was saying to myself recently to one of
my friends, like, I feel like I'm just going to
be a Tracy Ellis Ross who acknowledged that it's old.
I don't want to say she's so old, but you
know whatever, Maybe she's in her for these that she
just hasn't met anyone that she's connected with on that
level to the point where they were going to get
married and have kids and produce a family. I mean
not to say I believe that I'm not the marrying kind,
but I am leaning into releasing expectations for what you

(29:27):
want your life to be like. Like I said, had
to mourn before over what I thought it will be
a by now, so now I don't want to have
expectations for what forty five will look like and what
fifty five will look like. And if that that doesn't
have to mean I'm definitive I'm not the marrying kind,
but I'm okay if that doesn't happen. I'm definitely okay
if it doesn't happen, and I think I don't, I
don't know if I be like, oh yeah, same to
your point of Leah, I wouldn't say I'm not the
marrying kind. But I'm also not gonna settle just to

(29:50):
be married with the rest of you, like I'm not
about to be unhappy with the person just to say
I have a person. If it's not my person, then
I'm gonna die single. And that's just what it is.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
I ye're away from saying that I want to get married.
What I say is that I want to find the
ideal person for me, because getting married is you can
get married to a shitty person. Yay, you're a married person.
But for me, the dream is to find someone who
I can connect with and really make, you know, create

(30:23):
a great life for us, but marrying would be like
the plus. So I it just shows that some women
are just really focused, oh I need to get married
or I need to get married, but they don't really
think about the qualities of the men they want to
get married too, or the overall idea. Right.

Speaker 2 (30:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
I think I think people have been so this dream
that if you're not if you get married and have kids,
then you'll be happy. And then as we're you know, evolving,
and you see people in their older age and they're
getting divorced, like they're realizing that it was all a lie,
right and whatever. Capacity Like everyone has their own experience,

(31:02):
but I think that for a long time we've been
so like this dream, like you get married and you're happy,
and then you live this life and then you realize like,
oh no, oh my gosh, I have to care about
the kind of man I marry, Like these are things
I should care about, not just the marriage. And so
I think not rushing into it just because you want
the ring and all of that. And it's cute to say,

(31:23):
like people that are our age right now, they may
think like, oh, you guys are you know, you want
to be married and all that, But then we're thinking
for people that see the bigger picture, like Okay, what
about all these people that are divorced, Like why did
they divorce? Like ask that is marriage the all like
the end for everything? Is it the answer to you

(31:43):
know what you're looking for? But it all depends what
you want, right. It shouldn't be a whole blanket, you know,
because I don't see kids like I generally don't have
that desire and I it just it's not like hasn't
hit me, And I'm like, man, I question, I look
around other women that have that. Is it because they

(32:06):
generally want it? Or they have this societal pressure exactly?
Or this I just got pregnant.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
You know what, Dane, I totally agree with you on that.
I you know, I've really tried to picture myself being
pregnant and I I've had nightmares about this. And you know,
on top of that, people don't really you know, some
folks really jump into marriages without thinking twice, and on

(32:33):
top of that, they have kids with these partners. And
I just recently saw in an interview by Halle Berry
where she one of the things that she shared is
that you really do need to think about the kind
of person you're gonna have children with, because some people
don't even think about that. They just they get married

(32:54):
and they have kids because that's what's expected from you.
But do you really want kids like I'm sure there
are women out there who have had kids more than
one kid and they probably didn't even have they probably
didn't even want one of them. But again, society, society's pressure, right,
So yeah, people should really think twice about or really

(33:16):
think about who they're marrying, who they aren't having children with.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
I definitely value a life partner over children. I definitely
want to partner in life for sure, undeniably children. I
don't know if it happens great if not. I do
love my sleep, I do love my freedom. But back
to what you girls were saying about the societal pressure.
I was watching Mulan earlier today, and Mulan just kicked

(33:42):
ass and saved China, and at the end she bought
her father the sword of the man she defeated and
the medal of the Emperor that she was gifted to
show that she saved China and took down the bad guy.
And her grandma was like she go home this sword
in this metal, but where's her man? Why didn't you
bring home a man? And it's like, damn, this is China.

(34:05):
That's the Disney princess syndrome that they talk about these days.
And while we're all conditioned to think that we have to,
you know, commit to these societal standards, like we literally
have been conditioned. Even the way every love rom com
ends with when they end up together. It doesn't show
you all the stuff that comes after that. It's just
a matter of playing the game. He came and chased

(34:25):
you in the rain, and then y'all kiss, and then
it ends there. And if you don't, if you don't,
if you don't find the man, even no matter what
you accomplish, you're single. You're worthless, you're failure. And that's
what society, I feel like, reinforces even today to an
except I do think that it's a little bit more
acceptable acceptable to be single today. Like you saidlier earlier,
Tracy Ellis Ross Norms. Is halle Berry single? No, Oh, well,

(34:47):
she's hot, but I think it's okay to choose single
them in this age.

Speaker 1 (34:53):
Thankfully she's not single, but she's on with the father
of her children, right, and that's that's fine, that's fine. No,
but that's shows you like cheat. That's it proves her point, like.

Speaker 2 (35:02):
Being careful about who you have kids with.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
True, But the married couple that carries with I guess
they can't. They can't believe that she's single and they
were hard to be happy, so they hook her up
with their friend. Surprisingly, So there he just happens to
walk in like, oh, you're here, Carrie is here too. Wow.
I would have been really annoyed by that personally.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Yeah, I think my friends know better than to set
me up with a guy that most like he doesn't
even fit what I'm looking into.

Speaker 2 (35:33):
I can't friends try to set me up and when
I get more awkward. In those cases, it has to
be an organic meeting for me. You can't put me
in a situation and expect sparks to fly just because
we're two single people in the situation. Yeah, so Carrie,
she didn't feel that way. She went out with the guy.
They had conversation to expressos and it's terra su I
love Tira Sue. Carrie enjoyed all of it, and then

(35:55):
he asked if he can see her again and she's
like sure. So over the next week and a half,
they two movies, a shot for top of the line
cheese Graters from William's Noma, and he invites her to
his friend's housewarming and tells her to bring her friends.
So he's just like a perfect guy for her, and
she says he was.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Like the flesh and blood equivalent of a DK And
why dress. I know it's not your style, but it's
right there so you can try it on anyway.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
To Dana's point, first episode, to my point, last episode,
going off to Dana's point, these women just go out
with men that are available. No, this is why I
think my good sister Carrie isn't desperate like she's dating.
She's trying him on. She's not like, oh he's I
need to get this man. She wasn't desperate for him
at all. They put her in a situation she's filling
it out like it's not like I met him, and
then sparkslyer, don't she's trying the dress on. I see

(36:43):
the dress on the rack. Let me try it on
and then maybe I'll fall in love with it.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
But if you're being selective, you wouldn't even try on
the dress that you don't like.

Speaker 2 (36:52):
She didn't say she didn't like him, She just was
set up spontaneously. But she literally says she knows he's
not her style.

Speaker 1 (36:58):
And she says that lying as she's kissing him and
she's not liking it, but she's still kissing or letting
him kiss her.

Speaker 2 (37:06):
I mean, I see what y'all are saying. I just
see it as a woman dating and trying things out.
I don't see her being desperate and just taking whatever
comes at her. She's a single woman dating and you
got to try things out. I hear your first. I
hear you, I hear you, I hear you. I personally
just feel when you accept anything, how do you know
it's really for you? You know, like if you got

(37:28):
to stand on something that's not me that and how
do you know what's really for you if you don't
try it out or try it on? Why are you
just discounting people? I mean, we don't know what about
him made him made him not her style. She didn't say, oh,
it's his breath or the way he dressed, the fact
that he's a short king. But you know, I see
it as I'm not typically attracted to this but I'm
gonna try it on. Let me ask you a question, Leah.

(37:49):
Has there ever been a guy that you weren't attracted
to that you gave a chance and ended up being
attracted to him? Or did you know from the moment
that he wasn't your type and you gave him a
chance and he proved you that. Oh, yeah, you're right there. Yeah,
there definitely have been guys where at first I don't
know if I like them, But the more I start
to talk to them and engage with them and even
see that they're like interested in me, that did open
me up more to them. I'm also someone who doesn't

(38:09):
have a specific type. I'm not someone who's going to
just say, oh, they're that, they're this, so I'm automatically
a no. I'm definitely someone who is open to trying
different things.

Speaker 4 (38:17):
I can say that, like I would say, I'm the
same way as far as like, he may not be
my physical type, but the qualities are still there, like
the standards they meet that it's just in a different package.
But I definitely think that just because someone likes you,
you shouldn't just say okay. Because I feel like I
know Carrie's personality and she's a very lovey girl, like romantic,

(38:38):
Like she's such a she has like this obsession with
settling down and finding love and all of that.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
So I don't she says, she don't even know if
she's the marrying kind. I'm going to cut you off,
but literally, so she regret her that second it came
out of her mouse. Okay.

Speaker 4 (38:51):
My point is like she has like expectations with every day,
like she hopes this person works out. And it's just
like if you're going to go on a date, like
you like just try like don't assume that this person's
gonna be your life partner or not. Like who knows.
That wasn't her mentality. It was just like I hope
he's everything, And that's how most of the girls are in.

Speaker 2 (39:09):
These Yeah, I didn't get that from carry, but I
feel you.

Speaker 1 (39:12):
I just I really do think that just because someone
asks you out doesn't necessarily mean you have to say yes.
Like I think about it this way, like at my age,
I'm not gonna be saying yes to just randoms, right,
I will. I'm trying to be more selective than I
was in my twenties. To me, it just it really

(39:34):
just touches on like the desperation of wanting to find someone.
And I'm just personally speaking because when I wanted to
have or meet someone, I was constantly going on dates. Whoever,
let's go. But if you're being I think at one
point you just got to take a break from dating.
It's okay to take breaks, It's okay to say no

(39:55):
to people.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Yeah, I mean I respect that. I think that some
maybe we're pretty what we believe. On to Carrie, I
just like in this situation, she's a single woman. She
didn't bring him home, she didn't sleep with them, She's
just trying a woman. She's having a good time like me.
I mean, I mean, I want to take my dating
life seriously for sure, but that doesn't mean I'm not
gonna have fun with someone and just go out for
a drink, or go for a walk in the park,

(40:17):
or just go out to dinner real quick. This because
it is something to do. Maybe I'm a little hungry, Like,
I don't think that makes me desperate. I'm just having fun.
I'm living my life. Like, I don't see desperate from
Carrie with entertaining this guy at all. In the next scene,
Sammy Joe shar and Carrie go to the dinner party
and Charlotte asked, Carrie, you got a new man in
a week. Carrie is like, he ain't my man, but

(40:38):
he cool. They walk in and they see nothing but
couples all around them. Samantha, she is offended. She looks
at Carrie.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Like, Samantha gave me a look like I had sold
her to the enemy for chocolate bars and nylons.

Speaker 2 (40:51):
I literally do not like when I'm invited somewhere and
it's a bunch of couples and I'm the only single one.
I can only think of one of one instance where
and it's a little bit different. But I was having
a very rough time in life. I had just lost
my cousin and I didn't really feel like leaving the
house or going out at all. And it was just
a party I was invited to, and I asked my friend,

(41:13):
is there anybody going to be there that's going to
make me uncomfortable? And she's like, no, it's going to
be fun. Like come on, let's go. I get dressed up,
I go, and I kind of see a guy I
was dating with with his new girlfriend that he kind
of played me for, and I immediately finished my wine
and walked out. I felt so uncomfortable. So I definitely
get Seammy Joe's feeling like, yo, bro, why would you
have me in that situation? Yeah, as a single girl,

(41:35):
I would never want to walk into a party and
be like the only single girl and there's a bunch
of bachelors there, for sure. For sure, it's super uncomfortable.

Speaker 4 (41:42):
A bunch of bachelors.

Speaker 2 (41:42):
There, a bunch of taking guys. There's not a bunch
of bachelors.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
I would have left.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
I want to say. Also though, like just you know,
continuing to defend Gary, Charlotte said like, oh, you got
a man in a week. She's like, that's not a man.
Like I'm just having fun, Like what's wrong with having fun?

Speaker 1 (41:59):
That?

Speaker 2 (41:59):
It's make me desperate? I don't know why I'll seehim.
My good sister is desperate. She ain't even bucking.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
These dudes for me.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
I don't think that she's desperate. I hear your point
and it is accepted. I just think that as a
thirty something, are you dating for marriage? Are you just
living like a twenty something and to reach his own.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I think, yes, Kayla, it is all that do. Yeah,
it's not that she's desperate, but it's like it's telling
what kind of men you continue to entertain. If you're
just saying yes to every guy who asks you out
on a date, then I think that's also setting a precedent.

Speaker 2 (42:37):
So Sammy Joe. After she's at the bar and Carrie
and Charlotte are getting the tour, Samantha's having a conversation
with a man about accounting advice and his wife comes.

Speaker 3 (42:46):
Up, Honey, I need you to come over here and
meet someone.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Sure, Oh, this is Samantha, Samantha, this is a link
his wife, Honey, I really need you in the other
And that's the type of insecure wife I don't have
time for. I've been in that situation more than once.
Two situations come to my mind right off the bat,
Like when I was on vacation in Mexico at a
resort and there was some guy he did a good
around the buffet or whatever, and I probably went up

(43:10):
near him to get food where he was at, and
his girlfriend really comes from the left like babe, babe,
and I can tell her intention was just to let
me know that he's taken. And I can't think of
that situation, but it definitely happened more than once where
girls do do that, and I guess, respect you gotta
you gotta, you gotta do that. I guess if I
was in a relationship, maybe I would to like territory.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I was so annoyed for Samantha because they were honestly
having a respectful, respectful conversation and the guy wasn't being
per like perverted or or crossing a boundary boundary. They
were honestly having a conversation.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
But you gotta shut that door before there's even opportunity
to cross the boundary. I guess when you are being
territory over your man. To the wife's defense, it is
Samantha Jones, And in the next clip, Samantha's like, I
fucked that guy. I fucked that guy. I fucked that guy.

Speaker 1 (43:59):
I felt that guy, and I never thought i'd see
them again.

Speaker 2 (44:03):
Well maybe we should start tagging or married men in
that way you can keep track of them. So it's like, no, no,
not this bitch. You're not talking to that bitch. I'm
his wife back the fuck. So I kind of get
it just because it's Samantha Jones, Like it may not
be because it's a single woman it could just because
it's it's loose at Samantha. So I get it, I
get it.

Speaker 1 (44:21):
Samantha was looking really hot though, So even without knowing that,
you know that those details about Samantha, maybe she just
felt threatened because of how Samantha was looking away.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
When you're in a relationship and I believe this that
you do gotta. I can't get mad at the women
for shutting it down. You do gotta shut it down.
You gotta claim territory. You can't be trusting, you can't
be lax. Maybe that's based on my my U being
hurt in the past or whatever, being comfortable in situations
where you think someone's just their friend and you find
out that they're being inappropriate. I feel like you gotta
you gotta shut that ship down. You gotta let that

(44:56):
do know, I'm looking over your shoulder, who's this bitch?
This is my man? Maybe that's the best energy, but
I do think it's necessary. Balia, there are poaches, as
doctor Wendy would say, So you know, we are apparently
by out biologically wired or evolutionarily narrowly wired to be
in competition with each other and compete for our mates,

(45:16):
because you know, norms. I know you hate this line,
but our biological culture ticking. We want our husbands and
we want to find them within our age range. So
I think it's something that's kind of, for lack of
a better word, animalistic about us. It's kind of something
natural that we do as as humans and as women. Yeah,
I don't deny that.

Speaker 4 (45:35):
I think I think for a long time, like going
back to being condition, women have felt the need to
maintain these relationships by being territorial and reminding the men.
But I don't necessarily believe that. I think that the
respect should be from the man. Whether you are possessive
and you're make sure that you show the man that

(45:56):
are the woman that you're around. It's just like, ultimately,
he's gonna do what he has to if he's gonna
step out on you, You doing that has nothing to do
with who he is as a person.

Speaker 2 (46:06):
And I think that's true, Dana.

Speaker 4 (46:07):
You know, I think that he should set the dismiss
the woman if he feels like she's flirting or you know,
let him show you that he respects you without you
having to you know, pop up, you you know, test
it out, watch him see how he conducts himself, rather
than you showing up and saying, hey, this is you know,
like what does that do? That just shows you're an

(46:29):
insecure woman and you don't really trust him.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
I don't tolerate disrespect. You see me on this man's arm,
you know that's my man. Don't try it. That's it.
Like he may be respectful, you're not about to disrepect
me full stop. Yeah, I just feel you can't. I
mean I get that. I just thought you can't get
too comfortable because like humans nature, like if someone's you know, whatever,
your man's always gonna do what he's gonna do regardless.
But you also just don't want to allow him the

(46:52):
space and the opportunity to just explore with people at
the same time. But it's a balance. I think that
what you're saying is absolutely true for sure. That's tu Dania.
I just think you can't get too comfortable, Dana.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I agree with you. I would want to be self
assured and know that my partner would respect me or
set boundaries right.

Speaker 2 (47:12):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (47:13):
And for me personally, I've never been on the territorial
side where I have to show that he's my man.
I've always been on the receiving end where women go
out of their way to make it known that it's
their men, and I am just literally standing here doing

(47:34):
a thing. So it never makes me feel okay. It
always makes me really uncomfortable, and I'm trying to think
of like a better word, but it just doesn't make
me feel good. And honestly, like, I feel bad for
that woman who has to I feel like, if she's
doing this, she's constantly doing this. I'm like, at what

(47:57):
point do you get tired?

Speaker 4 (47:58):
Because if your man is just when you're there, imagine
what he's doing when you're not there. That's a lot
of work.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
That's a lot of work. But I have to be
guarding or taking care of my men or just guarding him.

Speaker 2 (48:11):
I feel y'all. I think it's like Kaylee said earlier,
there's some human nature aspect to it too. We just
have to protect your territory. Territory. So Charlotte surely thinks
that Sean is going to marry Carrie. Carrie is like girls,
but we canna have come down. Charle's like, nah, he
brought an apartment on the Classic six on the Upper
West Side. He's serious about marriage. Carrie's like some people

(48:35):
read poems, Charlotte reads real estate. This man must be
about marriage a girl. Charlotte wasn't wrong, Sammy Joe walks
up to them, like, if you get married and become
an asshole, I'll kill you. Sam has always been against
marriage since Arrely episode three. Now, Sean's friends are also
trying to sound him to carry. He's so nice, he's
financially stable, he loves kids, and he's great in bed. Immediately,

(49:01):
no disrespectful. I mean he sounds like an eligible bachelor
though all through the side right, like he got an
apartment his friends, he's so ready, Like really, it sounds
like an ideal situation. It just resorts back to that
that thing I'm going to keep resorting back to where
when you want the man, he don't want you, and

(49:21):
when he wants you, you just don't want to until
it works out and you get married and you both
want each other.

Speaker 1 (49:26):
M h.

Speaker 2 (49:27):
Carry's like I went from a party guest to a
prison or a ward. She feels like she's being question
and hounded and pressured into marrying this man that she
never really liked to begin with. So why aren't you here?
But anyway, Samantha's drunk at this point because she couldn't
take being around all the married men. She is hammering
these drinks back one by one and then Carrie runs
into Patients from the beginning of the episode with her husband,

(49:48):
and she immediately like tries to figure out, Yo, remember
what happened at your beach house. I just want to
get some clarification about that.

Speaker 3 (49:54):
Last time I saw Patience, she was shoving me on
a bus.

Speaker 2 (49:56):
When Sean told.

Speaker 4 (49:57):
Us you and he were dating. We were just so real.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
Well, listen about what happened at your beach house the
other day, don't you Well, I just I'm not even sure.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
I said, don't mind. You don't shatter my reality? All right,
say least, I ain't gonna bring it up. And I
think that's what Carrie was gonna do. So Samantha came
up and made the situation even more awkward with her
drunk ass.

Speaker 3 (50:22):
This is my friend Patience and this is her husband, Peter.

Speaker 1 (50:26):
I heard about you. She is the worst.

Speaker 3 (50:35):
I love y'all.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Y'all are funny, y'all funny the bean bitch we're talking
about it. I would I would have been pissed out
if I was carry that personally like girl. That was
kitchen table talk. Why are you bringing up in front?
But she was drunk, But I I genuinely would have
been like, yo, bro, I can't tell you nothing. I'm
not gonna tell you.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Else I wouldn't have been so mad because those friends
aren't friends. So now, because you know I'm with this
fucking boring ass guy, you don't feel you don't see
me as a threat. You're welcoming, welcoming me back to
the group. No fuck that.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Yeah, I just feel like they weren't really Carrie's friends
because she couldn't even have a real conversation with carry
Carrie really, despite anything came at her real every step
of the way. I get the woman's image, and I
get the merry woman's perspective or protecting her her institution,
but yeah, they're not really her friends. So I really
appreciate Samantha just like her. And I was like, yeah,
we was talking about that because your husband was wild.

(51:36):
Poor patience, poor freaking patience again, Ah not telling me
everybody my husband got a big dad, not this girl's
Amantha Downes.

Speaker 4 (51:44):
But that's just me.

Speaker 2 (51:46):
Charlotte and Charlotte RuSHA Samantha out of there and Carrie
just looks super uncomfortable. And then we finally go to
Miranda her day with Sid at this party with the partners.
They have an amazing time. The guy is so smitten
with Maria and even invites her out for like, you know,
the next time. And then Miranda tells her to leave

(52:06):
and she's like, you know what, we're not a couple.
We're not a couple. I'm not a lesbian. And they
can't do it again because I can't bring Sid back
because she's not my girl. I don't even like girls.
And he's like, oh man, that was a shrewd move
you did, but no harm. My wife's going to be upset.
We really wanted to add a lesbian couple to our circle.
Like I don't know, I'm not a white person, but

(52:28):
is how they operate, like just trying to take friends within,
like her your minority group. Let me have my my friend,
my gay friend. I think they're all just self serving
right now, Like Miranda bought the chickwater for the sole
purpose of just being down and making good with the partners,
and they bore her in specifically for their own personal reasons.
It just everyone is self serving.

Speaker 1 (52:48):
Yeah, And Miranda describes them as right wing Republicans.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Do you really think they're interested in adding a lesbian
couple to I don't believe.

Speaker 2 (53:01):
That behind Yeah, to look better, look more accepting. But
Miranda's like, all right, let me just soon, let me
just see because it's a career move at the end
of the day, let me try this thing out. So
she kisses sit in the elevator and she says.

Speaker 4 (53:15):
Yep, definitely straight.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Yeah you are so. I guess it wasn't feeling the kiss,
Miranda wasn't filing the kiss, and she was like, all right,
I'm out of here. I'm definitely straight. Which this is
also why Anne just like that bothers me.

Speaker 1 (53:31):
But rock with us.

Speaker 2 (53:33):
We'll get there. Lies guess now for now she's straight.
She thought about how much easier life would have been
if she was a lesbian. That's a line from Carrie.
And again, I can see why the gay community may
have been offended by sex and the City in the nineties,
Like what were they offended or is that just what
you're saying, that's I think that's they A lot of
the minority groups had an offense with sex and the City.

(53:54):
That's why they're going O D with Anne, just like that. Okay,
so may they do some yeah microaggressions with the entire
minority cultures.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
So In the next scene, Charlotte is forcing a drunk
Samantha to sleep on her couch, and then Charlotte goes
upstairs and goes to bed. Later, Samantha wakes up in
the middle night, stumbles her drunk ass downstairs, and then
flashes the doorman her lingerie and invites him upstairs to
Charlotte's apartment, where they get it on. In her house,
Charlotte wakes up in the middle of the night and
sees the naked doorman in her hallway. She tells him

(54:25):
to leave and never mention this again. He opens the
door for her, and then he exits. I just want
to say, first, I love this. You know how Charlotte
and Samantha are the extreme polar opposites, but this scene
just specifically shows how they show up for each other,
how much they are really friends. Because Charlotte bought Samantha
home with her because she thought she was drunk and
needed a place to stay for the night. I just

(54:46):
really appreciated that moment between Samantha and Charlotte, because I
don't think we get too much of those. Now, Yeah,
I think you know, that's just yeah, that's a good person,
that's a good sense right there. I personally would have
been hissed if I invite my drunk friend home and
then she brings my doorman upstairs to have sex in
my apartment. Yeah, bitch, welcome back. You were not welcome back.
She immediately showed her why she don't, like, Yeah, that's

(55:10):
why I shouldn't have took your drunk ass here. I
should have took your drunk ass. Yeah. But I don't
think Charlotte judge. Was their judgment conveyed in the episode,
And so no, Charlotte, not for Samantha anyway, or Charlotte.
I think I don't think i'lle reacts to that. Just
you said, she said, don't mention it and leave oh
to the door man. Yeah, yeah, you're right, right, Yeah, yeah,
you're right. You're right.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
This was classic Samantha, like her sleeping with the first guy.

Speaker 2 (55:31):
She kind of no fucking reason, bitch, you drunk, have
a full bottle of order and just go to sleep.

Speaker 1 (55:36):
But I think it's it's just her wanting to feel better,
I guess.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
And the next scene, Sean is asking Carrie to stay
over and she dumps him, saying that they just want
different things. He wants to get married, and she doesn't
know what she wants. She don't know what she wants.
She knew she didn't want him. Why you know what
he wants? She definitely knows now wasted his time. But
he's like, what could you smell desperation on me? She's like, no,

(56:04):
but but she could. She's like, it's just that she
was trying them on and he doesn't fit. She apologizes
and he looks crushed, and then he says, I don't
understand you women.

Speaker 1 (56:16):
All I hear is I want to get married.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
I don't want to get married, and none of you
says yes, what the fuck? Yep, that basic line. I
want the woman, she don't want me. These women do
seem to be like, you know, there's so many un
what is it great unmarried women? It's so little great
unmarried men. This is a great unmarried man that you
are dumping for what he does not fit? Okay, all right, okay,

(56:42):
So I kind of get his confusion in that, because
the whole episode, the whole three episodes. We're talking about
how we hate being single. All these men want models
and hot girls, and you got a man who wants you,
who's trying to give you everything you're asking for, and
you're like, no, no, not from you. And does she ever,
does she ever even give a specific reason as to
why she didn't want Hi. She said, I was just
trying him one and he doesn't fit. No specific reason.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
No, I think it was a compatibility issue in this situation.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
Yeah, he's emotionally available.

Speaker 1 (57:12):
I think their personalities in a mesh, right, That's the way.

Speaker 4 (57:22):
What's interesting because for someone that doesn't, we claim that
she doesn't have any standards, and she takes anything. You know,
this guy was offering her everything. She didn't even want him,
and he could have been amazing to her.

Speaker 2 (57:33):
She's not desperate, she ain't taking anything to come at her.

Speaker 4 (57:35):
She likes losers, she likes men who make her work
for it and treat her badly.

Speaker 2 (57:45):
They're not so available to him. Yeah, bad message for
young girls. I just got to say it. But she
was like, you know what, I know who would be
perfect for you, Charlotte. And obviously in our perfect dream world,
in our mind, well in my perfect dream world. The
way I see Charlotte, I think that that's relationship would
have worked out. Like Charlotte wants marriage, he wants marriage.
Granted me, personally, I'm not about to date my friend's

(58:05):
reject even though they didn't have sex. He's just clearly
interested in my friend, who's my very best friend. I'm
going to have you around her all the time, and
I'm going to feel like there's an attraction between you two.
So that's a no for me. Dogs. But Charltte and
carry moved a little bit different, especially since they all
party together. I feel like if it was maybe she
went on one day and it was like, oh, no,
you're not from me, but I got somebody for you.
But now we all hung out together. All your friends

(58:27):
were trying to hook you up with my friend. It's
definitely too deep pivoted to Charlotte, but Charlotte and Charlotte
picks it up. Charlotte and him go dating. They're shopping
in the next scene and then he picked out American
classic set and she was a French country girling, so
she dumped them because she didn't like the plate was
the plates. She didn't like the plates of the China's

(58:49):
he was trying to pick out boys.

Speaker 4 (58:50):
Yeah, and imagine being great in every in every way,
and then you just have bad taste or you have
a different taste from like, oh you like nikes? Oh
I like like what?

Speaker 2 (59:04):
Yeah, it was really shallow of Charlotte, and I do
know down the line in the season, she shifts her
ability to uh not want a guy based on how
he decorates. Yeah, that's true. Charlotte goes home the doorman's like,
why didn't sum have to call me? And we know
why because Samantha just wanted that Zuke. But Carrie, at

(59:24):
the end, she ponders, maybe the war between married and
singles are like the war in Ireland. Were all the same,
but somehow we ended up on different sides. Sure it'd
be great to have that one special person to walk
home with, but sometimes there's nothing better than meeting your
single girlfriends for a night at the movies. And then

(59:46):
it ends with Theretha Franklin, respect I don't know why
you're an idea. Why the writers did that? I mean,
I feel like I know y'all disagree. But Carrie's not desperate.
There was a completely eligible bachelor for her and Charlotte
to take and sometimes it's just like, we don't want that,
and I rather hang out with my girls. With the movies.
I really love that last scene with them. I just
love my four girls naked together and hang out. I

(01:00:07):
love the four girls naked together and hang out to
Olaya for sure. For me, the narrative is perpetuated that
I like men that don't treat me right mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
I agree with them. From Carrie at least, y'all being
hard on my girl. Not too much of my girl.

Speaker 4 (01:00:24):
Now listen, she's my girl, but I can call her
out on her all right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:29):
So now it's time to get into the cringiest moments
of the episode, and we have three tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:00:34):
Ruh. All right.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
So the first cringiest moment is when Carrie is coming
out of the badroom at her friend Patience in her
husband's house and she sees her husband naked from the
waist down in the hallway, just chilling drinking orange juice
full frontal. That was so uncomfortable, super uncomfortable, also because
Carrie should have just really cover her eyes and turned away.
I ran away. The next cringiest moment we have is

(01:01:02):
when Carrie is seeing Patience and her husband at the
party later on in the episode, and Samantha walks up
and recognizes the husband and starts laughing and says, oh, yeah,
big pepper Mill Dick, just showing that Carrie and her
friends was all talking about it. So super awkward for
the group. And then the last cringiest moment we have
is when Miranda is on her fake date with the

(01:01:25):
woman and she's with and she's with the other couple
and she lets them know that she's not really a
lesbian and they're say, oh, that sucks, because we really
were hoping to add a lesbian couple to our circle,
just really just to meet the standard. That's like, that's like,
what's that affirmative action? Yes, just to meet the well,
not the same, but just to meet the quota we need.
We need to go lesbian couple out here looking for anybody.

(01:01:49):
I don't know what ch'all think.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Miranda just saying yes, honestly.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Miranda is.

Speaker 4 (01:01:59):
Honestly, if I or Miranda I would have just like
played it off until and then had gone to the
you know event or wherever you were invited and just say, oh,
we broke up, like we're not.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Bye. Or something.

Speaker 2 (01:02:13):
Yeah. Out of the three, I'm going to give my
cringiest moment to Samantha laughing and calling the front's husband make.

Speaker 1 (01:02:23):
Rappa mil digg hal back.

Speaker 2 (01:02:27):
I'm going to give it to coming out of the
room and seeing him there in the first place, because
I just feel like it puts everyone in an awkward
situation and it's just fucked all around. There's no real
way to handle that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:36):
Yeah, I agree with you only because that one that
was like, what do you do like rather than when
you're drunk and you're just like who cares?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Yeah, uh, that was cringe for me. But can I
add a crunch moment? Sure, the scene where Carrie's kissing
the guy and she really doesn't like it, but she
still keeps that it and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
So okay, yeah, that's that's pretty crunch.

Speaker 4 (01:03:06):
We've all had those moments.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Yeah, no, not norms. Okay, you lost and I lost
to one with the uh coming out of the room
and seeing the husband's phoenix because they outnumbered as norms
and you didn't side with me, so.

Speaker 4 (01:03:21):
She created her own category.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
I thought the big pepper mal dick common was fucking
hilarious that I was cheering for her yeah, okay, let's
go into sex and the social media and emir says
Samantha Jones is the heart of sex in the city.

(01:03:43):
Here are some of her quotes. Listen to me, the
right guy is an illusion. Start living your lives.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
She said that in the first episode Consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
Hello my name is fabulous. If a guy gets angry,
he's a piss So a woman she's emotional period. Go
through life like I do. Enjoy men, but don't expect
them to fill you up.

Speaker 2 (01:04:11):
Ain't that the truth? Just live a life for herself.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
At Mariella. I want my way of living to be
as unrealistic and ridiculous as Carrie Bradshaws. Honestly, yeah, seriously
man seriousness, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, yeah, broke a joke, classy. I don't even know how.

Speaker 1 (01:04:31):
I want to barely work in a court, expensive ass clothes.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Like luncheon every day, the which do not work. Never
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Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
See you for episode four.

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Bye.