AEW All Out Post Show: Surprises, Returns, New Champ Crowned

Public Enemies Podcast is live with our AEW All Out 2025 recap on HBO Max! We’re diving into the top moments and surprises: Eddie Kingston’s emotional return with a post-match assist from Hook, the reunion of with Jack Perry & Luchasarus, Kris Statlander’s big win for the AEW Women’s title. We also saw PAC’s surprise return and a cameo from Beth Copeland in the FTR vs. Adam Copeland & Christian Cage match. We’ll compare how All Out stacks up on their HBO Max debut.

► For exclusive & additional content, including AD-FREE episodes please consider subscribing to Public Enemies on Patreon.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
All right, oh hello, hello ladies, man, Greatlco.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Yeah, well what is this ship? Uh? People with jobs?

Speaker 3 (00:20):
People with our job you know, graand will get mad
at me for messing it up, But who cares.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
He's not here, correct, I'm not.

Speaker 4 (00:24):
I'm not even gonna say that. He already got me
for trying to do that. Broh, Yes, sir, you guys wait,
you go ahead?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (00:35):
Nah bro like we are here. We are here for
the a E W All out post show. I'm here
then Waco Kids, Son of mar is gonna score, son
of Mars. Uh, I'm here with Kujoe. That guy over there,
he's just the voice box today. He's just like Kane.
When can you said a thing to put on the
side of the neck to talk like that?

Speaker 2 (00:55):
That's Pool Joe today. How you doing through, Joe?

Speaker 4 (00:58):
I'm doing good man. I really enjoyed the pay per
view for what it was. Still got a lot of
time left on my Saturday night, so I'm pretty happy
about that. How are you feeling that?

Speaker 1 (01:09):
Bro?

Speaker 2 (01:10):
I am great. I am fantastic.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
I am better than what I thought I was gonna
be because, like when I saw ten Matthews, Ten Matthews
is a very very daunte schedule and I don't usually
either been on an AW post show in a long,
long long time.

Speaker 2 (01:26):
But I love the show. It was a great show,
paced very well.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
They did what they had to do, and the guy,
they got me hooked, bro, I mean they already got
me hooked, but you know what I mean, Like I
was like, yo, yes, I was like this is this
is it? Like there's quite a few matters on this
card where I was like, okay, like this this is wrestling, bro,
Like this is what it's all about.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Yeah. Yeah, So we got a split house here today
at Public Enemy tolf of Us will be covering the
all Out post Show or the All Out Show, and
then the other half will be covering Russell Paluza later.
Do you feel like you made the right choice on
what show you picked to watch today?

Speaker 3 (02:08):
I made the right choice one hundred percent because I
saw some of the matches on Russell Palooza and I'm
not gonna go into that because we're here to talk
about AW.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
But if you watch this show, you know you have watched.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
The superior show for your day, like you have got
like the bank for you, but forty dollars this was
definitely worth forty dollars and a little bit more if
you bought, if you if you went through HBO Max
to the purchases, you got your money's worth two three
times over.

Speaker 4 (02:39):
Absolutely. Well, with that being said, let's get right into it.
The first match of the night, of course, had to
start out with Adam Copeland and Christian Cage versus a
team of FTR. What were your thoughts on this match?

Speaker 3 (02:53):
Ben from the beginning, nostalgia, nostalgia, nostalgia.

Speaker 2 (02:59):
And that's not always a bad thing.

Speaker 3 (03:03):
Like sometimes like we get into like these nostalgia fits
where we bring back any and everybody to have like
a match to do, like the little things they used
to do a long time ago.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
And but this right here.

Speaker 3 (03:15):
They had they knew just enough what to do because
they already got it together for the match they had
at the last show.

Speaker 2 (03:21):
And this one was like, it was great.

Speaker 3 (03:24):
It was about eighteen minutes five seconds from start to finish,
like it looked like hope and and it like Hope
and Christian didn't miss a beat.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
It looked like they had like they had reunited.

Speaker 3 (03:39):
And I guess with that, like since like what twenty
elevens last time the team together, I.

Speaker 4 (03:46):
Think so, I don't know because he like retired then
I don't think they formally tagged team or anything.

Speaker 3 (03:53):
But I think they said twenty eleven if I'm not mistaken,
they said twenty eleven.

Speaker 2 (03:57):
But you know, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (03:59):
We won't concern ourselves with fasts and what's talking about wrestling.
This shit has made up as we go along anyway.
But yeah, this match, like they had like all the
ship in it, like uh they had they had Edge.

Speaker 2 (04:12):
Doing a whole tribute to John Cen. Did you see
that it? Yeah?

Speaker 4 (04:15):
I did. I thought it was really well done. Maybe
it was because it was done in the aw ring
versus like a reverse situation of John c f and
image to Edge, but yeah, it was a really nice moment.
And there's another spot too where he hit the prettier
for the kill switch and Christian hit the spear on FTR,

(04:39):
So I thought that was really neat too.

Speaker 3 (04:41):
But continue, yeah, man, like with the with the Edge,
Like I think the Edge was doing that because John
Cena hit the spear and like his master Sammy's and
a few weeks ago, like if there was ever someone
they wanted like that would be willing to cross back
over to hit for that giant. Seeing them atter, I
think Edge would be the one that they would let

(05:02):
back over there. But you know, contracts, rival promotions like
it is what it is. And this is why I say,
like this whole like oh ae W versus w W thing,
it's only with the company. It is only with like
the people who are like the heads of these companies,
because these talents, they don't give a fuck about no
brand war.

Speaker 2 (05:19):
They don't care about no oh you want to show
you on that show.

Speaker 3 (05:22):
They texting each other all the time, they're hanging out
with each other, they call each other on the phone.
They don't care about none of this. The only people
that care about this are people find the checks. And
I get that, and I completely get that, but that's
me and.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Show that too.

Speaker 4 (05:36):
Yeah yeah she did she uh pulled up Beth Copeland,
I guess, or you can call her right now, but yeah,
pulled up. They I mean they still call her Beth.
But I've just seen people say Beth Copeland and I'm
still trying to get used to that.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
To me, there you go, it's still real to me.

Speaker 4 (05:58):
That's still a glad soon. But yes, so stokely what
was up? Man packed this ass up got him at
at there and yeah, Adam and uh Christian got the win.
U really surprised me that you said it was eighteen
minutes because it didn't really feel like that.

Speaker 3 (06:21):
I don't know if that's like that's the time I
got off of Wikipedia. I don't know if this was
like if they count like the entrances or what. But
it had like like with the Shenanigans and things like
that in there, like the spot with Bath, like the
like the little painting amage to each other. And also
like FTR was like cooking in the ring too, like
all like the little like the everything in between. That

(06:42):
match was like like it was sandwich in between, like
two pieces of nostalgia and just like pure wrestling in
the middle of FTR, they did they did the thing.

Speaker 2 (06:53):
This match.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
This match was like, yes, they're like, uh damn near
twenty minutes. But it was good. It's one of those
it's one of those where it's like it doesn't feel
like it because you're having a fun time.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
Absolutely, And I feel like there was a perfect way
to open up the show, you know, with two Toronto boys,
you know, just doing their thing. You know, everybody still
really appreciates them. Not so much about Phoenix because she
got absolutely destroyed by FTR with that spike file driver

(07:26):
near the end. Wow, safe to say this feud is
not over. But the next match we had on all
Out this evening was the return of the Matt king
Eddie Kingston a big bill or your thoughts on this match?

Speaker 3 (07:46):
Ben this if you watch, like if you're in a
different sports like outside of wrestling and stuff like that, we.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Call it a yet right game. This is the get
like but this is a get right match.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
This is what you get like when you're like, Okay,
I haven't been here for a while, Like last time
I was here, I was losing. So this is the
match that It's a tune up match basically, And we
talked about it on this week's show. I mean, we
go check that out where we speculated like its Eddie
Kingston's gonna do anything different? Is he gonna come out,

(08:19):
is he gonna have it? Is he gonna be built different?
Like like no, he was not built different? Like like, bro,
he's like I said, he's forty.

Speaker 2 (08:25):
Something years old. What's the point. What's the use of
changing your body?

Speaker 3 (08:29):
Type and doing all this stuff and hot and stuff
like teaching the dog the traits or whatever.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
When you when you're like you this far to the game.

Speaker 3 (08:36):
But I thought this was a fun little match, not
really a whole lot to it.

Speaker 2 (08:39):
It was.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
It was more or less what I thought it was
going to be. Just like Eddie Kingston just be like, look,
I'm back. I need to solid like a little match,
put or win, put me over to get me on
the right track. Do you have any like in depth
thoughts about this match or were you just thinking the same?

Speaker 4 (08:53):
Yeah, I mean it was what it was. I think
Eddie got a really great reaction and he came back,
you know what I'm saying, Like, I don't really think
they could have done anything more extraordinary than what they
had on this match. You know, it's like a regular
like TV match, if you will. But it was a
good spot for Eddie.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
You know.

Speaker 4 (09:12):
I'm just glad to see him back after they said
four hundred and ninety seven days it's the last time
that he had a match, and yeah, man, he looks
really good. Even though his body type is like a
topic of discussion that be coming up. I think if
he wasn't a little fat, he would lose his aura,

(09:32):
you know what I'm saying, Like, that's what makes Eddie Eddie,
you know, like a little bit of.

Speaker 3 (09:38):
It right, Like you didn't see Samoa Joe with the
gout or Kevin Owens or whatever, you'd be like, I know,
Kevin Owens slimmed down a little bit, but it's still like, yo,
that's where the aura comes from, like what you said?

Speaker 4 (09:51):
Yeah, absolutely, And yeah they had a little postmatch beat down.
Bran Keith wasn't so happy that his homie Big Bill
was match and then boom the Hook signal the Batman
of New York. How are we feeling about? Yeah? Yeah, man,
I would have to agree. I don't know if we

(10:13):
get a full time like tag team with Hook and
Eddie Kingston moving forward forward to defend the honor of
New York. But yeah, a pretty solid piece of business here,
nothing too crazy, which is the opposite of the next
match we have right here.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Oh yeah, by the way, that match was That match
was seven minutes twenty seconds.

Speaker 4 (10:36):
Way next we have Mark Brisco versus m j F
and the Tables and tax match. What are your thoughts
on this one?

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Then?

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Bro, this one I didn't have like a whole lot
of stock in this match, And that's my fault for
not really believing like that.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
That's on me, Shame on me.

Speaker 3 (10:55):
But this was a really solid match, especially for like
the like the stipulation that like that like we were
like we were going into the match.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
I didn't know if it was like put your opponent through.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
A table or whatever, but they say the rules during
the match that it was like a pinfall or submission.
But they really showed out with the task like like
starting off the match like strong where Mark Risco was
like just lay just poured them all out, was like,
hey bro getting the ring, you are't no time?

Speaker 4 (11:24):
Yeh yeah? And would I would say that's probably the
most amount of thumb tacks I've ever seen in the match,
like like bags and bags of that ship. But yeah,
like it was really man that that was probably one
of my favorite matches in the night. I would have
to say, like just this gear alone, Mark Risco has

(11:46):
really shown that he belongs exactly where he is, you know,
on every spot on every pay per view, and MGEP
was really locked into I know there's always like a
debate on whether or not he really like phones. It
in or if he really, you know, is into it,
but you could tell in this match that was really
focused and you know, like the typical like healed stuff

(12:09):
that he does was really great here and just man,
those spots were just really brutal this whole match, Like
every back body drop, every slam, every like you know,
use of the thumb tacks was really just creative, I
have to say, and just really added to the story
of like, hey man, like MJ, have you've been kind

(12:31):
of talking crazy about my bro that is dead. You
know what I'm saying, Like I gotta get minds, And
that's exactly what Mark did. So shame on us for
doubting him.

Speaker 2 (12:41):
But yeah, man, yo, that's on me.

Speaker 3 (12:45):
But I'm like I didn't think that they were gonna
let Mark Risco get the get the win because this
is like been the story that's happened like like a
few times. Like they're like, okay, put him in a
high profile match with someone who's clearly like you know,
not to be the respectable but like kind of like
above him, like on the total pole, and normally he
has to do a very good showing. He almost gets there,

(13:08):
and it's just like right at the last second, the
rubs pulled out from under him. But MJF as like
it's already been said that he was pushing for this
match and pushing for this rivalry to happen, especially to
get this match on the show. So for him to
put over Mark Brisco was really like it was really
good because Mark Brisco is like, like I just said,

(13:30):
he's like just always like banging his head on that
ceiling like and this kind of puts him up above
because like, yo, he this MJF is, he's the longest
raining a W champion, right I believe?

Speaker 4 (13:45):
So yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:46):
You like you just had this guy beat the longest
raining a W champion and have this like great showing
even though it is like a Noah's Bard nos Quad
K match. Who gives buck he had he just beat
this guy and MJF doesn't look weak like taking this lost.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
Because it's a.

Speaker 3 (14:06):
It's a like a special match or whatever like. And
also he had a match last night in CMLL, so
he has been working like MJF like like when you said,
sometimes it feels like, you know, is he really interested
in this or is he just like phoning it in?
But lately like he's been on a tear, like between
going to Mexico doing a w he's been doing, getting

(14:31):
his acting in, Like he is really like hitting on
all cylinders, like he is definitely like showing Aw why
he's worth the money and why he was worth all
of like the you know everything that they went through
to resign him. So like this match definitely one of
the better matches, Like definitely one of my favorite matches
on the show. Like if she said like they did,

(14:51):
they were finding all different types of ways to use
the thumb tax thumb tacks on the chair, thumb tacks
on the table, like all of it.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
I love it.

Speaker 4 (15:00):
Yeah, absolutely everything about this was just incredible. I would
not mind, you know, going back and rewatching this here
very soon again. But speaking of good investments in good business,
we are turning over to the Hurt Syndicate versus Ricochet

(15:21):
and g o A, now known as the Demand. How
are we feeling about this one?

Speaker 3 (15:28):
I'm gonna start off with the name change, Like what
was Yates of Agony? Gates of Agonies is a much better,
Like I know that was their tagging name.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
I think they could have just adopted that.

Speaker 3 (15:39):
But the Demand, I'm like, just how kind of like, you know,
kind of generic. For me, I'm not mad at them
getting the official name, but the Demand sounds kind of generic.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
This was like this match was cool, like it was.

Speaker 3 (15:55):
It was what it was, and I like the story
that they told was MVPs still wants to get back
in the ring. He still wants to do his thing,
he still wants to prove I can wrestle with the
young people. And during this match, it was like he
had his moments where it was like you know what
I mean that that video was like I'm still got it. Yeah, yep,
he had his moments in a match where he was

(16:17):
it was definitely like Okay, I'm still got it.

Speaker 2 (16:19):
But later on when he started when they started.

Speaker 3 (16:21):
Working on his knees and everything like that, it was
pretty evident like okay, but like now like I don't
got it right now, like he needs help.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Yeah, it was. It was a great match. Honestly, Like
I'm I'm a pretty big fan of the trios matches
that they have here in aw and again, like the
pearing of Ricochet and g Oe or the Demand I
guess you'll call him now versus the Hurt Syndicate. I
thought their styles like clash, but they also like don't

(16:54):
in a way like you have your big guys Totallyona,
you got your Bobby last Lee, you got your agile guys,
you got your Ricochet's, your Shelton's, you know, shout out
to Shelton Benjamin especially, like.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Oh my god, he is a demon.

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Every time he steps in that ring, he always turns
it on.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Man.

Speaker 4 (17:13):
He is incredible and I cannot sing his princess enough.
But Ricochet looked really good in this match. Big win
for kN and toy Leona. The matchself again, like it
was just like big spot after big spot, move after move,
suplake up to sup plex, just.

Speaker 3 (17:33):
A double suit, that double German suplex that that Shelton
Benjamin hit was like I was like, okay, like he's
really really about this, like like he's one of those
guys like he didn't get all the shine in the
world in w and then when he went to Japan,
like that's when I like really I was like, oh,
like you really like that. And I mean I've seen
his matchs from like like when I'm growing up, like

(17:56):
on Raw and on SmackDown and then that stiff that
he had and he's up you where I was like, okay, well,
like I know you can move, but it wasn't Intelli Japan.
When I was older and I could really set eyes
on what he was doing, I was like, oh, he
really liked that, and it's it's a breath of fresh
air because like when he when he left WW, when
he got released, I was like, damn, bro, he has
so much left to offer and now get seeing him

(18:17):
get like this second like win in ae W and
put on matches like this because he was all over
the place in this match he was this was like
really just like him showing out, like there was a
spot where he just like hits like this, like like
crazy like me, like when he jumped through when he
jumped on top of the chair, that sup like spot,

(18:38):
Like he was going crazy in the match. But for me,
this this, uh, this whole story just revolved around just
like MVP trying to keep up with his younger counterparts
and prove like oh he could, I could still do it.
And then after uh they lost and he took the pen. Yep, yeah,

(19:00):
he took he took the pen. And even like after that,
like they're like the way they're looking at Ricochet of
the Demand I'll call I still got to use for that.
Like him looking at the demand where they were staying
in the ring. You can see it in his eyes.
He like, bro, I gotta get some young lifeblood back
into this like end of the group, because I can't
be out here like putting my livelihood.

Speaker 2 (19:21):
On the line. It was my bro, like, yo, I walked.
I've been walking with a cane since I got here.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
And he broke it over Ricochet's back last week. So
it's like damn, like I really got to chill out up.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
So you know, my man need a walker.

Speaker 3 (19:35):
He's gonna need a walker with the little like tennis
balls on the on the bottom of it.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Not too much or uk now, but you're gonna You're
gonna move on to the next match. It was the
triple threat for the AEW Unified Championship, uh to Catch
the versus Kazuko Kata at Mascara the Rada. How did
we How would you feel about this match?

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (20:03):
This match funny? I think it was me. Let me look,
this match was twenty one minutes flat. Bro. This was
like I said it like on the show.

Speaker 3 (20:13):
I said before, like not to be before, but I said,
like this one was gonna probably be my match to
night and for what they did in the ring and
story wise, like this was to me. It wasn't the
match of the night, but it was the story of
the night, the ongoing story of the night because we
saw Tkeshka and Okada clash and every time they were

(20:34):
they every time like they were in the ring together.
It was like we're trying to you know, we're trying
to we kind of put you, We're trying to do
one up on each.

Speaker 2 (20:42):
Other, like Maman Doorado, mamandorata.

Speaker 3 (20:45):
Like he they basically try to make him an afterthought
in the match he did like he was cooking too,
like but the story was definitely between Ocada and the
Keshka and just seeing like okay, like you trying you
try to be the new wanted to replace me, like
saying like you try to be the one to replace me,
like I'm not going nowhere, don't here if you wont

(21:06):
the g one or not, bro, Like we're not like
throwing me off the mountain.

Speaker 4 (21:11):
Yeah, And what I really liked about this match was
it didn't really seem like Okada was threatened by Takeshta
whatsoever and not to be like oh, Tekesha is a
f luke, or he's like somebody to look over. But
you could see in his expressions how frustrated and angry
he was at Okada this like this whole match. You know,

(21:33):
he's like maybe he feels like he isn't at that
level yet, or it's like why are you trying to
butt heads? I mean when I'm on my rise and
stuff like that. But yeah, man, they both brought it.
Takesha is an incredible wrestler. We already knew that Okada
is a great wrestler. We already knew that there's been

(21:53):
talk about him like kind of phoning it in in
multiman matches, but I didn't really see any of that here,
and Mosca Dorada was a perfect candidate to kind of
like glue everything together where we can extend the storyline
between Takeshta and Okada of like, okay, who is don

(22:13):
Kyala is gonna pick who's gonna break out next? Where
does Takesha go from here? Given that Okada was the
one that pinned uh Derada in this match, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:25):
Like, to me, Takeshka is has like the biggest upside,
like when it comes to like talent like young talent
and the roster for like for me, it's like for
talent that's available right now, it's like younger town just
like has like that can you could put the company
on their back like and if you like in the
next years to come, it's like he's one A Kyle
Fletcher is like a like two a like yo, Like

(22:49):
they're right there like neck and neck for me, like
for who can like be the next like like head
of like the company and who they can like put
the like put the rocket on their back and let
them like like wave the flag for the company like
they're like they're to me, those are the top two.
But Okada for phoned and then for multi man matches
at this feel like sometimes I feel like Okada to

(23:11):
me reminds.

Speaker 2 (23:12):
Me a lot of like Randy Orton.

Speaker 3 (23:14):
Like Randy Orton when when he's interested in something, you
can tell he's interested in it, like he will sell,
he will pull out moves that he hasn't done, a
long time. He will make you look good, he will
do what he has to do. But when he's not interested,
you get what you get. But for this match, like
you could definitely tell Okada was definitely one of the
percent locked into this.

Speaker 2 (23:33):
I think like like even.

Speaker 3 (23:35):
Though like uh like we haven't we haven't seen it
on screen, but I know like he looking at to
Ketch because like, yo, you're you're going to be the
next one, like this is like this is for like
you're gonna be the one to take the to take
the ball and keep running with it because he won
the G one this year, And I know they mentioned
that they're like yos probably for Okada. They're like Okada

(23:55):
probably mad because Ketcha won the G one and the
tas like bruh, I kind of won it like four.

Speaker 2 (24:01):
Times, so I don't really think he gives yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:04):
And speaking of tournaments, like the perfect place I would
say for Takesha to earn his right to face Okada
in a one on one is if he won the
Continental Classic. So we'll see if that ends up happening.
But what did happen? Finally, after about a year or
so of a tease, we have Mercedes fun Day versus

(24:30):
Rijo for the TVs Championship. What do we think?

Speaker 2 (24:36):
This?

Speaker 4 (24:36):
To me?

Speaker 3 (24:37):
Like this match was sixteen minutes flat of just like
just showcase like with Mercedes and Rio, like you said
as a one year tease. We got to see them
just like hat like just like Shine Out, like showed
that show off their like better moves and stuff like
that and try to one up each other.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
They had. It was a really good technical match. It
was fine.

Speaker 3 (24:59):
They had some spots for the outside, Like I really
thought the the spot where uh what was it where
Rio was like trying to do some shit to the
outside and say these monate pools the aprons.

Speaker 2 (25:12):
She's like, Bro, I'm not doing this shit no more
with you like this. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:20):
Uh, I just want like for me, I just want
them to have real around a little bit longer, because
you know, Rio has some like dips in like her showings,
like she might not like and she's always like welcomed
by the crowd. They love her whenever she comes through.
But it's like, bro, like I like you kind of
need to be around more.

Speaker 2 (25:37):
Bro, Yeah, you feel.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Like something is still missing ever since she came back.

Speaker 3 (25:44):
Yeah, Like for me, like it's all like it's about consistency.

Speaker 2 (25:48):
And I said this on like the this week's show, we.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Were talking about Andre Day and everything going on with him,
Like you gotta be around consistently for me to like
latch on, Like I think it's cool for Real to
pop up whenever she wants to. I'm never gonna turn
down a real match, but you're like, I just need
you to be around consistently because there are a lot
of women that are on the roster that could benefit

(26:12):
from a match with Rio or rivalry or Real. Like,
like I said, she knows what she's doing in the ring,
but this match was more so about like Mercedes like
showing off, like, Yo, you can bring on like wherever
you want to bring on, Like like I'll pack them up,
like I'm not dropping this TVs title, Like she lost
the Tony Storm a while ago. It's like, Yo, I'm

(26:33):
not coming up off this belt, bro, this one right here,
I'm not coming up off this belt.

Speaker 1 (26:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
And what I really liked about this match was like
it was a rare instance of Mercedes being the bigger wrestler.
Like it's very rare that Mercedes is one towering over
somebody and being the powerhouse of a match, and that's
exactly what she was here. And like this win was

(26:59):
like the first pinfall wining like a long time where
it felt like she was really dominant. You know, she
used the money Maker finisher instead of you know, using
a roll up or whatever other creative way to you know,
keep her championship. She wasn't so desperate here, you know.
And what we got was again, like you said, like
a sixteen minutes of the showcase from both Rio and Mercedes.

(27:24):
You know, like nothing felt slow in this match, but
it also didn't feel too fast either, Like everything was
just like perfect about it. Really good pace and really
good action.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:38):
I wanted to say that, like nothing crazy like spots
recorded again, they would get in it active when it
came to submissions, it came to the technical stuff. But
this this match was cool, like it was. It wasn't
too late, when too hot, when too cold. It was
just like, you know, it's like it's like a good show.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
So with that being said, the next match that we
have did not end by pinfall, as it was the
coffin match between John Moxley and Darby Alan and I
guess I would go first on this one, just to
give you a little break, I'm saying, just going back
and forth. But yeah, I thought this match was really cool,

(28:18):
very violent, you know, as expected between a match with
Darby and mox The ending really surprised me because like
usually when a wrestler has like a match, a signature match,
you know, like they just never lose those type of matches.
And Moxley, you know, shocking us all or surprising us all,

(28:41):
brought back Pock to help him get the victory here,
and I thought that was pretty cool too, bros back
with like short hair that way. Barrett came out for
a minute. I'm not even gonna lie, oh, but yeah, man,
Like there was some pretty brutal spots think here, just
like the I'm sure you have the Mark Crisco match earlier. It. Yeah,

(29:07):
they're just kind of freaky in there, you know, just
like biting each other, all this blood, you know, kissing
each other and whatnot. You know, typical drum. I love that,
you know, like like Max is insane. He was like, yeah,
I'll do that, and I'll still like absolutely destroy you
in there, so you know, it's all love. And there

(29:30):
is a postmatch angled to not a postmatch, but there
was like a segment where the death writers had left
Max and Darby came back from the dead and lit
Moxley on fire. I don't know if you saw.

Speaker 2 (29:45):
That, but yeah, I saw that.

Speaker 3 (29:46):
Like you see like a little a little Marvel post
credits scene like that. That was cool because, like you said,
the match like they would definitely like tearing each other up.
Like uh, they started the match off in the crowd
like literally like thirty seconds like probably a minute, like
probably minute.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
That happened as the match. Darby is the coffin drop
off of like the balcony I don't.

Speaker 3 (30:09):
Know if you called the balcony or whatever. Like he
is the coffin drop off of this hit. And they
just start running through the crowd and just start cooking
like with all that ship, like with the like with
the spots like they had, like uh, Darby brought out
the fort he was biting.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
He's biting that man's ear. He's like, yo, I gotta
lose the ear or you gotta lose the ear.

Speaker 3 (30:31):
Bro, Like we might like this tit for tad bro
S thing was definitely tell him like hey, Bro, like
I didn't I didn't destroy well, I wasn't putting I
was putting nw ogs in the ground, just like letting
them get the ship off on me.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Bro, Like you got to get him back.

Speaker 4 (30:47):
Yeah, And the there's a moment, there's the moment in
the match to where Brian Danilson didn't exactly get involved,
but he uh revealed to Darby the plastic bag that
was used to choke him out. So I thought that
was a good piece of war right there. But again

(31:07):
that just wasn't enough. There's always one death writer lurking
in the shadows whenever you think they're not. So it's
good to see pop pack Man he as them to
destroy Darby with that crucifix moment to the outside that was.

Speaker 2 (31:24):
Right onto the caste. That ship is nasty.

Speaker 4 (31:28):
Bro. Oh my god, you ain't gotta do that.

Speaker 2 (31:31):
Bro.

Speaker 3 (31:33):
I'm like, bro for real, like like bro, like you
need some money, bro, Like.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
What is it about? Who do you owe?

Speaker 4 (31:43):
Well, we owe it to all of the haters of
Chris Statlander absolutely nothing, because the next match we have
is the ae W Women's World Championship or away between Fireless,
Tony Storm, Jamie Hayter, Chris stat Lander, Tecla and as
as said and knew a e W Women's World Champion

(32:08):
for Statlander, I thought this match was yeah, I picked
stat No.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh man, y'all nah you and gram fully ship bro?

Speaker 4 (32:19):
Yeah, we bro, don't even I picked for Statlander because
I knew it was time.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
You know, it's time that you got a feeling you
just had a sixth sense about this.

Speaker 4 (32:32):
I got you like da you know, he pulled up
like who invited bro?

Speaker 2 (32:36):
But he pulled up.

Speaker 4 (32:36):
He was like a Chris like, come on, bro, like
you gotta use the same move that you used the
last time you won the TVs title or.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Whatever it was TBS title.

Speaker 4 (32:49):
Uh yeah, Like I don't know. It was a shock
victory honestly, the way it all came together. But matches
so was really well structured. I know sometime like wrestlers,
when they're put in a four way position, it can
kind of get clunky really fast. But everybody here got
their spots, and everybody looked really good, looked really strong.

(33:14):
Jamie Hayter hasn't missed a beat, really glad to seek
her back wrestling. And in the title picture, Tekla I
thought wasn't really bad either. And yeah, Chris Statlander and
Tony Storm is still as great as they've always been.
I really like the interweaving parts of this match where
everybody kind of was like had their own like one

(33:36):
on one beef with each other for a little bit
and yeah again we have a new aw Women's World
champion and Chris Stat. It's been four years since she
competed for that championship, so war crazy. This was a
really great time to pull the trigger. I love Tony's reaction.

(33:58):
I've her just being like not upset, not angry, just
like this disbelief, like literal disbelief, like damn, this woman
really did that thing.

Speaker 3 (34:08):
The son of a bitch, you know fags like the
like the whole like the match, like would you say,
like yo, sometimes get clunky. I really like the spot
where Tecla was like hitting them like suplexus, like when
she had Yeah, I love it for me, like they
like she was like she was cooking, like you said,
everybody got to hit like their own little spot, had

(34:28):
their own little thing. But yeah, this is one of them,
like shock or of the Night, Like I did not
think Stat was gonna win. Why I picked Tony Storm
and the Max Like the way the matter was set up,
like the way the Masters set up, the way the
match was going, Like I was like, okay, what is
going for the safe option? Put it on Tony because
this lead up like they had no pompous circumstance whatsoever.

(34:50):
Tony has just been doing her thing, like not focused
on like any like rival, like main rival or whatever.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
She's been having like matches and stuff like that.

Speaker 3 (34:59):
She had a match with like Skyblue, and she's like
been doing like fun stuff like over the last month.
And since this match had no build, that's why I
picked Tony. I was like, Okay, if they're gonna put
tit on someone else, it'll probably be in a one
on one situation a little bit more build. But since
this was thrown together and the way that the mattress
going because this match is quick. This match was eleven

(35:20):
minutes fifty five seconds, and like you could tell that
like they were doing they were trying to get their
stuff in, but you could tell they were kind of
racing to the.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Finish, like if that makes sense, like they were trying
to a little bit.

Speaker 3 (35:34):
Yeah, it just felt like they were like, okay, like
we're trying to get through this so we get out
of the show over by the time, well at least
the main event by the time, like Russell Balsa either
like starts or whatever. And I mean they didn't, I mean,
they they failed that mission, but you know, like it
was still a great match.

Speaker 2 (35:48):
It's still like a really great show.

Speaker 3 (35:50):
But I'm just like very much interested to see what
they do with Chris Statlander from here, Like.

Speaker 2 (35:57):
Is she gonna join uh? Is she going to join
the Death Riders? Is she down with them?

Speaker 3 (36:02):
Because, like, like you said, you'd have popped up at
the beginning of the match giving her advice, they've been
kind of scouting her and trying to get her into
the group of persuader to get Do you think that
she gets in the group or do you think it's
one of those situations where it's like, okay, like, hey,
you want to join?

Speaker 2 (36:17):
She turns with that and that's speaking with the group. Now.

Speaker 4 (36:20):
I think Youdah's gonna get punished. I think that Chris
is definitely like, hey, like I'm the champion now, I
really don't need y'all group. I don't need any of this,
you know. But you never know, Like she's kind of
going through like the Bailey arc where it's like, okay,
like this week she's friends with Willow, this week she's not.

(36:41):
But I think at the end of the day she'll
be okay, but da will not, especially now that Pod
is back in the picture and DG in the picture too.
They're like all right, like why do we really need
you to exactly? I think they're gonna bleed him. But
but that being said, the next match that we have

(37:01):
on the duck, it is the ADW World Tag Team
Championship four way ladder match between the Young Bucks, Brogado,
Jet Speed and Hedge Sero and Josh Alexander on the
don Kallis Family. What were your thoughts on this match?

Speaker 3 (37:18):
Ben, This was like a fun kyler cleanser before the
main event. I thought it was like I thought it'd
be really cool and really like funded, like the things
that they did with the Young Bucks, Like the Young
Bucks bought back their entrance even like it might be
for one night, spent that five thousand dollars the guy
on the tyro and on the music and on the

(37:38):
name place and everything like that. And then they had
in like a little like note that they have on
like the entrance a full and his.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Money are soon parted. Uh. This was a really fun match.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Jet Speed really showed why they're like one of the
premier tag teams of AEW right now. Like I really
would like I picked Jet just be the win, and
I really think like because their time is coming soon.
That's if like MVP don't try to scout him for
the fro the Earth send Kid. But like I think

(38:08):
if they if they stay, if they stay together, their
time will definitely be coming soon as like champions to
carry on like this next wave. I didn't think that,
uh bro I didn't think Brodido would like would would
get to win only because they are a makeshift tag team.
Like usually with like makeshift tag teams, they're like, okay, well,

(38:29):
like we'll keep you together and the next time we
can have like, oh, like a traditional tag team.

Speaker 2 (38:34):
We all kind of like pass the belts off to them.

Speaker 3 (38:36):
But I'm glad that they that they won the match
because we get to like explore a little bit more
time with them to see what they have to offer,
because they.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
Are really they're a powerhouse team.

Speaker 3 (38:46):
Like this whole match, like uh uh Brody Brody King
was just like he was just killing motherfuckers, Like he
dropped speedball through a ladder. He was doing like all
types of like crazy shit in this match. What do
you think, Oh, yeah.

Speaker 4 (39:02):
This is really fun And I love the placement of
it too, just being like right before the maybe event
to pick people back up again if they were feeling
a little fatigued. I got a credit Tony kond really
for putting together so many makeshift tag teams and making
them work. And at this point I would say that

(39:24):
Mandido and Brodie King are not, you know, a makeshift
tag team. I would say they are traditional.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
Now.

Speaker 4 (39:30):
You know, they got the match colors, they got the
magic gears. You know, they got their entrance music. Like
they're locked in now. You know they're Broddo and they're
here to stay, you know what I mean. Like the
aw tag Tan divisions really healthy right now. The young
Bucks are creative as always in these ladder matches, showing

(39:51):
why they're also veterans here. You know, Jet Speed, like
you said, are the dynamic tag team that you know
this Matt is their match, you know what I mean?
Like when they can do high flying stuff, you know,
unique stuff with the ladders, that's where they really shine.
And Josh Alexander and Hetchisaro, you know, I really love

(40:14):
hetche Saro. Can't really say the same for Josh Alexander,
but he ain't bad or anything. They did their think
in there and again can't sing enough prisons for Brotito
they've just been on fire, especially Bandito tearing it up
over there and bring up honor as well. And I

(40:36):
just love the trope of having the big guy like
Brodie King like defend his crowd against like a wave
of just like a bunch of like smaller dudes just
trying to like chip him down, and it's like, Nah,
you ain't gonna like you're not gonna kill me, bro,
Like it's not happening.

Speaker 3 (40:56):
One you said said yeah, definitely great match. Palate claims
like you said, get get the crack hype back up.
I'm definitely interested to see what Brodido has an attack
and what they had to offer. I definitely can't wait
to see them like have like a like a good
little like run with the belts.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
But now it's time for the main event.

Speaker 1 (41:19):
Yes, sir.

Speaker 4 (41:20):
The main events of the evening for All Out is
ADW World Championship, ADW World Champion hang Man Out of
Page versus TNC Champion Kyle What Whatcher. What were your
thoughts on this match, Ben.

Speaker 3 (41:36):
Bro This match like I'm I'm I'm not gonna lie
to you. This match was thirty eight minutes long. I
when I was watching it, I was like Damn. They
going on for a long time.

Speaker 2 (41:49):
And I was like.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Looking at us, watching the spots and everything that they
had going on.

Speaker 2 (41:55):
They told like a wonderful story of Hangman.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
The story that they told in the ring was the
story that they told for the last the police when
they set this match up, like you are, Kyle Fletcher,
like you are the future of this company, but the
future is not right now, motherfucker, Like get put up
back of the line like them they were. They were
really showing out. Kyle Fletcher was showing off all of

(42:20):
his moves. He was showing off why he is the
future of this company, why he is the lifeblood of
this company, why he is in the position that he
is in.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Like he was doing what he he was doing everything
that he could.

Speaker 3 (42:35):
But Hangman had to show like y'all brought it, like
you're great, but I am just two steps ahead of you.
Like they were really pulling out all the stops like
they were trying. They were hitting like I think, uh,
I think Hangman went for the for the one Winging
Angel at one point in this match, like he hit

(42:56):
the v trigger.

Speaker 2 (43:00):
Like bro, Like this match was incredible.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
And I thought that they were gonna like I thought
this match would have been like a little bit like
cut short because they were trying to like not go
really head to head with Russell Paluza.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
But this match literally.

Speaker 3 (43:15):
Went through the first two matches of Wressel Paluza Like
it started like ten minutes before Wressell Paluza and it
didn't end like until like, uh probably maybe like.

Speaker 2 (43:26):
Twenty thirty minutes in.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
I had this match on like side by side during
the Johant scene a brock legend match, and let me
tell you something, bro I this this match makes that
match look like a pile of dog shit, Like I
like Graham and Graham and Gresh are gonna review Wressell
Paluza like later on the night, but as far as

(43:50):
like from for me and my thoughts on that opening match,
that was dog shit. This was immaculate, like thirty eight
minutes of just youre just like wrestling, and this this
was one of the matches that you're gonna come back
to in one year, two years, three years, five years
where you're gonna be like, Okay, that's the match where

(44:13):
like Kyle Fletcher like solidified himself and like I like
I loved it more.

Speaker 2 (44:19):
Your thoughts.

Speaker 4 (44:20):
Yeah, Kyle Fletcher, you know, I reiterate your thoughts like
he is the future of the company. Obviouls say he's
now the company in a different way that Hangman is.
You know, he's still a TMT champion, but yeah, with
this loss, he's gonna move forward with the bigger chip
on his shoulder and he's gonna really show out, you know.

(44:41):
And I can see that day where he will split
from the Don Collis family and you know, really rise
up and be his own star again. This match was incredible.
Hangman has been on fire when it comes to in
ring work as always, and I really like the story

(45:01):
of again, like Kyle Whatcher being the young brash one
and Hangman being like, look like I been't where you are,
Like you are not ready, and I'm gonna prove to
you why you're not. And I think a lot of
Hangman's opponents are forgetting, Like what they tend to forget
is that this is a Hangman that's been through heaven back.

(45:23):
This is a man that literally burned another man's house
down forgave him, you know, like went through all this
emotional trauma just to get back to the championship, you know,
what I'm saying dealing with the death writers, and this
is a hangman that is not hesitant. This is a

(45:44):
hangman that is like, I know, I gotta fire that shot.
I gotta hit that buckshot and I'm gonna do everything
that I can to hit it. And Kyle was just
not letting him hit that shit. He's like, you can
deadie me all you want, You're not gonna get me.

Speaker 3 (45:57):
Oh I am a soccer air for or like when
he goes for the dead eye and this is this
is a spot they've done like in three different matches
where like okay, well he's gonna go for the dead eye,
but his opponent is just like so beat up that
they involuntary, like involuntarily like fall and move out of
the way, not because they're like oh I'm really like

(46:19):
I'm really like that, and the gods the movies just
like no, like you beat the shit out of me,
like I can't I can't do anything, buttball, I can't
hold myself.

Speaker 2 (46:26):
Up any longer.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
And like you said, like he was hitting dead eyes
like onto the table in the ring, off the top rope,
like they were really like showcasing like yo, like like
you always think like when you think of like hang man,
like he's finishing anything like that, Like you always think
of like, Okay, well he's gonna hit like the uh,
he's gonna he's gonna hit that ship, like he's gonna

(46:49):
hit the lariat, Like that's like what you think he's
gonna go for. He's gonna hit the buckshot, But you
forget that he has the dead eye too. Like this
really reminded me. I was like, he does have the
dead he does a backup finisher.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Yeah, And Kyle did a really great job of reminding
people that, like, hey, like he does have the dead
I but only because I'm not gonna let him hit
me with the bumpshot lariat. And I really just enjoyed
that part of the story where like we had thirty
eight minutes of the match and he did not hit
that until it was definitively the finish and credits to

(47:28):
Kyle too, just laying it in with those corner boots
to the back of the head, to the front just repeatedly,
over and over and over all those thrust kicks, all
them brainbusters. Man, Like wow, just a really great performance
again by Kyle Fletcher. Hey man is here to stay

(47:48):
as the face of the company. I'm excited to see
what he has next. Do we have any closing thoughts
for the main event and the overall show tonight?

Speaker 3 (48:00):
My closing thoughts for the main event is, like you
hit the nail on the head. I like, like there's
something's been wrestling where I'm just like I feel like
an old man about it, you know, where I'm just
like the champion.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Should always enter last. Uh And when it.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
Comes to finishers, like I'm like, people kick out of
finisher's way too much nowadays, the way they protect the
way that they protected the buff shot lariat in this match,
and the way that they protect the buck the buf
shot lariot and other matches because normally when he hits
the buck shot lariot, that shit is over. Like it's
the same thing with Okada's with the rain Makers. If
I hit the rain Maker, this match is over. We're

(48:37):
not hitting the rain Maker and like you're kicking out,
We're doing that like like what we saw, Like I
hate to keep talking about restlues, like on resolues, like
I hit nine finishers and you still catch and you
like you're still kicking out, Like I like when when
they protect that shit. And I'm not always opposed to
someone kicking at someone else's finisher, but when you do it,
it has to mean something for me, you know what
I mean?

Speaker 2 (48:57):
Right, So they really like still that with this match.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
It was like okay, well, like I'm like, you're not
gonna hate that shit, Like I'm playing keep away for
as long as I can because I know if you
hit me with that shit, it is over. I'm gonna
give my waiting of the match like one out of
like we do one out of ten. I give this
in eight point five.

Speaker 4 (49:20):
Yeah, I would agree, I would give it a little
bit less like I would just give it a solid
eight out of ten. All the matches were well paced,
nothing felt too long, nothing felt too short. Maybe they
may even but I kind of expected that. I'm glad
that not every match was like that. Yeah, I instead
like the action was all their stories were great. Again,

(49:45):
AW just proving that this new deal that they have
here on Max, like it was definitely worth the money
for anybody that bought the pay per view. And yeah,
I mean AW is just kind of in a really
good spiral now if they're not really like over the
top way anything just yet but I'm excited for the

(50:06):
next stop, which will be Wressell's Dream.

Speaker 3 (50:10):
Yeah one, the next time we come to you for
an aw post show for Wrestle Dream, we like, like
this was fun having two post shows everything like that.

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I think like we will next time we will stick
to one post show.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
I mean, we want to have to do two post
shows because there's like, oh, we're not gonna run any
like rival like shows and tell like probably twenty six
start back up again. But we'll cross that bridge and
we get to it. I have nothing else to say.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
For this show. You could follow the show.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Across all platforms at the Enemy's uh pod. That's Twitter,
that's Instagram, that's TikTok, all the way.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
Across, bro, you won't get lost.

Speaker 3 (50:52):
And if you don't feel like typing in everything, and
if you follow the Twitter because like everybody knows, everybody
knows about the Twitter, if you go.

Speaker 2 (50:58):
That hit the link three, all.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
Of the apps will all of the apps that we're
going to pop up, the Patreon will pop up. Then
we're doing a series right now, and his name is
John Cena. You can subscribe, watch that, watch our back catalog,
watch the show that we just did, this week the
Public Enemy's podcast tap into That every single week, because
I promise you we talk about a lot more than Dynamite.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
We talk about a lot more in the WB. We
like keep the ball rolling on that.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
So if you've got time check all that out, we'd
really appreciate it for it. We really appreciate for that,
and we appreciate if you hit the like button and
subscribe button and the notification of bell all of that,
so you know when we're live, what we got coming up,
when we post clits, anything like that, you are one
hundred percent covered. You can follow me on my Twitter
at Underscore cente Laws Underscore. That's Twitter, that's Instagram, that

(51:49):
is TikTok, and I promise you'all get back to making TikTok.
I gotta get out of the whole laziness thing like that,
but we'll work on it.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Cu Joe, where can people find you?

Speaker 4 (51:58):
Yeah, everybody can find me over at Kucho Wrestling over
on Instagram and you can follow me at Kujo keV
on Twitter. Tomorrow night, I will be appearing on the
Locker Room Lead with the Homie Lorenzo from BGW podcast
tap into That. I think sometime around eight pm seven pero.

(52:20):
It's gonna be at nighttime, so we're working on that again.
We've got some really cool stuff coming up from the
Public Enemies catalog. Don't worry, guys, we are working on
merch still working really hard on the graphics every single day.
A few changes will be coming, but they will be
good ones, so don't worry about that. And with that

(52:41):
being said, this has been Public Enemies HQ on all
platforms every Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
Oh d oh my god if you did.

Speaker 4 (52:52):
But that is all right. This is why I am here.
Ladies and gentlemen. Thank y'all so much for tuning in.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Ben.

Speaker 4 (53:00):
Would you like to take a song?

Speaker 3 (53:03):
Oh yeah, Public Enemies HQ? What am I talking about? Yeah,
you have to. You have charge in my head, not
my heart. I love you guys. Thank you for tapping
in and catch us on Thursday night seven.

Speaker 2 (53:19):
We love you guys. See you later.