Christopher & Philip Adrian booth

On this episode, Sheena welcomes acclaimed paranormal filmmakers, Christopher Saint Booth and Philip Adrian Booth (Spooked TV/ SyFy/ Discovery+), whose films include: "The Attached", "Children of the Grave", "Dead Still" and "Death Tunnel".

Episode Transcript

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And now I'm coming to you live. It's from the City of Angels,
Los Angeles, California. It's theSheena Metal Experience with your host Sena Metal
Only. I'm a KGRA Digital BroadcastingHi, and welcome to the Sheena Metal

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Experience. I'm KGRA Digital Broadcasting Network. I'm your host, Sheena Metal.
I have a psychic medium, I'man energetic healer. I'm an interfaith minister.
I'm a twenty nine year talk radiohost in Los Angeles and beyond.
I'm a creative and a performing artistand a paranormal survivor. And I come
to you live from my home insouthern California, which is on an Indian

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burial ground. Every Friday at threeo'clock Pacific time. So something lies by
the screen. The answer is Indianburial ground. This show is about spirituality,
it's about creativity. It's about humanity, it's about passion, it's about
service. It's really about becoming andthen being your best and most beautiful you

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in this wonderful world and then inspiringothers to do the same. And every
week on the show. Yes,it may be my show. It is
the Sheen and Metal Experience. Afterall, but it's always without a doubt
your experience. My guests today arewhere some of I think my first friends
in the paranormal community, and Iadore them both so much. They are

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really everything. They're filmmakers, they'republic speakers, they're musicians, they're paranormal
enthusiasts, their intuitives, and youknow, they really care about this community
and about people. And I thinkthat's so important that we're not just doing

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this for the thriller because it's fun, or because we want to investigate everyone
to get answers, but because wereally care about both the living and the
dead, and they certainly do.Two of my favorite folks in the whole
world, please welcome to the show, Christopher Saint Booth and Philip Adriano,
the Booth Brothers. It's so greatto have you both, hear, my
friends, how are you cute?Helloful, thank you, lovely to see

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you you too. I just getso happy when I see you. So
when I watch one of your films, and I've seen them all, I
just smile every time I see youin them, I'm like, there they
are because there's a warmth that comesout of you both. And I think
one of the things we've learned after, you know, one hundred plus years
of film and less of that oftelevision, is that you can, even

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though you're not technically live in personwith somebody like theater or music, you
can feel that energy come through.And there's something about the two of you
that just kind of warms my solarplexes up. And I think that that's
probably a lot of why people loveyour film so much. They're not just
great content, but it's the warmththat you both bring to that. Oh
thank you, so yeah, it'sprobably the fuzzy jackets. We were right

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exactly your warm and fuzzy jackets.Yeah. It's funny you mentioned that because
we just finished two really successful events, which was Scarefests, which was,
oh my god, I think twentyfive thousand people came to that one,
and we just finished Michigan Paragon andwhat you said. We have had a

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lot of comments about people seeing thatin our shows and in what we do,
and I think what we have toremember at the end is a lot
of people nowadays they're doing it justfor that fifteen minutes of fame or trying
to get famous in these shows,and they're kind of losing the focus of
it all. I mean, thewhole purpose of for the Afterlife is to

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know there's something higher than this sorrydaily existence, and when we forget that,
it just becomes another commercial entity.And I think we still very much
put that type of depth into ourprojects. And we're very blessed. I
mean, what we have eleven showsstreaming this year everywhere. I see them

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everywhere, every time I turn onmy Roku. You guys are somewhere else.
Yeah, we got it was reallyexciting to have all the networks pick
it up for the Halloween season becauseyou know the popularity of the Excess Believer,
and with the title The Excess sparwhich was the true story behind the
original Exorcist. For your listeners andviewers, there was a diary written in

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nineteen forty nine, the original onethat William Blady got ahold of that he
wrote the book and they made themovie from well, we got that diary.
He took a paranormal group to everyplaced in that diary and investigated,
and then we created and told thestory. We got to talk to the
real priests that we're still alive,that we're involved, the family, the

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people that moved the furniture, thepeople that tore the building out, and
once you start doing these real documentariestype films that we do, it really
opens up your eyes to what youknow, it really happened. So that
has just soared because of the ExodusBeliever and everything. I mean, I

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think we're charting number two now onPrime and onto be an Apple Plus.
We're on Apple TV Plus now,So we're really grateful. So we want
to thank everybody for the support forthat. Well, I think the fact
that we've talked about this before becauseyou've been on so many radio and TV

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shows with me. The fact thatyou add that your dramatic reenactments are really
good drama. It's not just likebecause sometimes with documentaries you're getting all the
facts, but there's a moment whereyou're kind of like you're tuning the facts
out right because it's it's too manyfacts coming at you. It's a lot

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of talking heads. You guys splitthat up with you know, your part
where people are explaining is always veryengaging, and then you do the reenactment
parts, which are so visually beautiful. Now you sort of get sucked into
it as if that the way thatyou went into a movie into a dramatic
film, so that there's a mixtureof things happening. And I think that

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people tend to take information in betterthat way than when it's just someone you
know what I mean. I thinkwe also look for the story behind the
story without even knowing we're looking forit. And sure, I think when
we found out, you go outand you've got a lead, and you're
going out to get the true story. And then you find out, oh,

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well that happened too at that time, and that led to that,
and then you do more research andinvestigation you find out this is even scarier
than the story started with. AndI mean, like prinstance, the exist
I mean, when the boy waspossessed, he wrote on his sheets what
the devil told him to do.I mean, who would have known that
in the movie The Exorcist, butwe show you his sheets, you know,

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stuff like stuff that nobody really knew. And I find that truly fascinating
thing. Yeah, you know,because everybody in horror, especially the popularity
of that's been a huge movie,The exors Believer and The Exorcist of course
was re released, and everybody wantedto know. They always asked us the
same questions how true is the actualstory of the excess compared to the real

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story. And I think one ofthe really interesting parts that you never really
get to know is that in themovie she conjured up Captain Howdy, which
was on the Ouiji board. Butwhat the cool story is why I love
about doing these things, is theyactually did us a week board in the
original case, but they were actuallytrying to conjure and tell you up because

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she had hidden money inside the walls. That's hysterical. So they was gonna
ask you that when we started talkingabout this, I was going to ask
you that. Do you believe that'swhat's what happened with the true ex ors?
The story was that the young boywho was like puberty age at the
time, right, and yeah,we're playing with the Ouigi board and they

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maybe you know, didn't know whatthey were doing or didn't know how to
protect themselves. Do you think that'show the demon came in? Well,
that's one I mean, that's whatit doesn't say that's why it happened.
In the diary, it does talkedabout how he played with the Wuigi boy
because he was looking for money anda cookie jar that was hidden in the
wall cement. Of course, whenyou reach out, you really never know

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who you're talking deal open that door, you don't know, I'm gonna come.
At the same time, the Vatican, the Vatican demonologists that we interview
in the he has his own pointof view and his thoughts of why.
And basically, if you know this, this real story of Ronald's, which
is a real exorcist boy, hewent on after he was after he was

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possessed and he was exercised, hewent on to become a Nazis scientist and
he actually did the trademark patterns ofthe heat shields that was made you be
able to get through space without burningup. He dismed those. So the
concept of one of the demon arersthe Vaticants stated that God and the devil

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knew both he was going to dosomething, something great, and it was
a battle he wanted. You know, the devil tries to stop you when
you're trying to do something for mankind. As much as God saying go for
it, the devil's saying, Iknow the same thing, and I'm gonna
put stuff in his post. Iknow it opens all these kinds of things.

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Because if the devil would have won, would he have created a nuclear
bomb? And if God had won, which he did, he created something
great that could you know further's thecatch twenty two. I mean, imagine
if that boy was where he waspossessed, exercised, but it didn't work
and he went on to become anarciscientist, what did he create? You

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see, it's a catch twenty two. Nobody really knows, you know,
the truth of that situation. Butthe truth was he did levitate, he
was he did speak foreign language,he had supernatural power, He had all
these things that he didn't have before. In nineteen forty nine, what are
you getting influenced to, you know, like today, crazy inputs, all

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kinds of stuff in your head,some movies to watch. In nineteen forty
nine they only had, you know, Betty Page, he had the A
bomb. The A bomb was yeah, yeah, I mean, you know
that was very exceptionalist. He wasvery sexually active, you see. So
you see what I'm saying. Whatwas he influenced by besides his home life

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or at school? And there wastalked about him being actually homosexual as well.
So and there's one thing in thediary that always really sticks with me.
That everybody seems to brush under therug. But it says that if
that priest molests me one more time, I'm going to kill him. Right.

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So that's you know, sort ofa you know, a very touchy
subjects, but that's what he says. And you know, for us,
we kind of tell the truth.We don't make a judgment or bias.
We tell you, yeah, howit is. Wait, when I don't
think of ourselves as ghost hunters soto speak, or that term which I
don't like that word hunting more expirations. Yeah, yeah, but I see

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ourselves as documentarians. So we justrecorded and tell the best story we can
and let the view was decide.I mean, the Exus file. The
Haunted Boy is the name of themovie we're talking about, and so the
thing about it is that's what theycall them in nineteen forty nine, the

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Haunted Boy, right, And Ithink that's fascinating. That was all over
the news. It said the HauntedBoy, the Haunted Boy, the Haunted
Boy. Don't you think that allthose things that you mentioned, right,
the alleged sexual abuse, the allegedmaybe shame around homosexuality at that time,
the fact that he was a designer, a creator, which meant that he

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might have had channeling skills, asoftentimes people who are creators channel from spirit.
His age, the adolescents. Allof those things, right, sort
of leave vulnerabilities in us that thendark energy can come through, not just
demon possession, but negative energy ingeneral. I mean, you can get

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it sucked into the darkness through weaknessin you, and all of those things
can cause weakness. And think howexactly and think how scary it is.
He was. He was. Hewanted a lot of attention too. So
there was, on the other hand, discussion that he made it up.
But the point is he did levitate, he did do this, He did

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do that. You can't make thatstuff up. But what's really scary imagine
if you pretend, which a lotof people have, pretend that they're possessed,
and they become possessed exactly with fire, you know, and inviting it
in. So it's a scary situation. I mean, yeah, I think

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what I love about that shows Wejust got off the road promoting it because
I have to tell you, weare blown away by the response for that
movie is just soaring on Prime andApple TV, I know, and it's
like we've put so much effort twoand a half years producing that movie and

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talking to everybody, and things likewhen you get to talk to the people
who moved the furniture, you know, the little iron bed that he was
exercised on, the seat, andthe pew that he set in to do
the exorcism. You know, thepriests and the nun would never go back
in to that room, and theyhide movers. And when you get to

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talk to the movies, just likewe're talking to you, you can tell
when people are lying and when thething And to do an interview with him,
he tells us the cost of thefurniture wasn't even worth the cost of
the storage. But they made surethat that bad and the furniture that was
using the exorism was double vaulted,sealed with glass, double vaulted, and

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then put into a long term storagefacility. And that storage facility is Scott's
Air Force Base, a military compound. True story, half this stuff is
horror filmmakers as well, that wefind out doing these shows are far scarier
than the actual Absolutely, yes,absolutely, and that has to make you

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know, we do a lot oftalk about how much the government knows about
UFOs, Right, but how muchdoes the government also know about demons?
And we always think of that justbeing the Catholic Church, but maybe it's
not just the Catholic Church. Maybeit's also governments are aware that there is
darkness we all live in worse thatis half darkness and half light, that

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is always trying to shift the balancein either direction. Right World War two.
Look at the interest in the cultfrom found Nazi Germany. You know
that it's not fictitious. Rated isa lost stark that was based on the
true interest he had of the occult. Yes, and so it's quiet and
this is nineteen forty nine, thiscase happened, so you can see how

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close that was to that time.So I think it's very fascinating. And
that's what I love about what wedo is the amount of detail in depth,
and I think, what's really it'sreally cool. But I think once
you've finished it and you look atit and go like, I survive because
that story has so much truth init and the situation that happen really gets

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scary when you're really in the Youknow, when we did the Exorcism Live
for Discovery Channel with the exercise thehouse live on television and that was ten
years later after we had done theinvestigation. The house got was the oppression,
their darkness. You could feel it. I mean, Sheena, I
wish you were there when we didthat. You would feel what it's really

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going on. And the house reirlyneeds to be demolished and to start again.
A lot of people don't know thathouse is on a vortex buriograms,
okay, and all the trees growcrooked there. And when I put the
camera down to do the film inthe bedroom where the boy, the bed
rows up in the actual room whenthat happened, you know, we know

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there's a bubble on a level,you know, on the tripod to keep
the camera level, and no mattereven though the level read straight, he
looked through the camera and it wouldeverything would be always off kilter. And
I think it's fascinating in the casethat the boy who lived in Maryland,
like the exorous movie, which it'sa girl in Malan, but it's the

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word Saint Louis appeared on his chest, not help me, and he was
drawn to go to this house wherehis uncle, which is Max, who
Max Fond said out plays in themovie follow voted that's his uncle in the
true story. Why would you takehim to a house that's on a votex

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A Native American buriograms to excellent becauseit was nineteen forty nine, you know,
because people didn't think and didn't knowand didn't know what they were doing.
But it is a true story though, right, that his aunt was
dabbling in the occult, right,Oh yes, oh yeah she was.
And what happened is he was soviolent and there was no place to put

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the boys. So the only hospitalthat would take him was Alexinger Brother's hospital,
and they took at that time opiumepidemics was going on, so it
was violent alcoholics or crazy people.They were the only hospital that would actually
accept it in it And because hisuncle lived in Saint Louis, that's why
it came on his chest and said, you know in the exos it says

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help me, right, it actuallysays St. Lewis Is And it was
written so he could do it himself, so there was doubt because it was
faced he would have done it.Upside that put Minton's on his hand because
he kept scratching himself and he didsay Saint Louis and so they took that
as another sign to take him there, and they put him in his house,

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which was his uncle's house, andthat's where most of the possession really
accelerated. And then beginning, Yeah, that's where the demon wanted to go
meet me in Saint Louis. Yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly like a
song. But we're thinking that,right, I mean, that's you know,

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when I interviewed Christopher Quarantino formerly ChristopherLetts, who grew up in the
Amityville House, George Lats was doingthe same thing. He was dabbling in
the occult. Chris said, theguy from the Long Island, the cult
society came over all the time.You know, if you're getting nothing from
watching the show, it's that ifyou don't know how to protect yourself,
don't be dabbling in things that youdon't know what you're doing, because there

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are things out there. I alwayssay that playing with a wij aboard and
not knowing what you're doing is liketaking all of your clothes off and walking
into a bar at two am andsaying, who wants to have sex with
me? Like you're gonna have takers? But is that really who you want?
And that's not like I mean you'rebasically saying, is there anybody here

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that wants to talk to me?I mean that's a pretty blanket statement.
It's like y'all, come, y'allcome. That's that's if you don't know
how to protect yourself from the darkenergies that can come through, don't do
that. And people are messing withthe black candles and trying to save their
own you know negative you know spells, and it's like, look, if
you don't know how to do thisstuff, don't do it. Find someone

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who knows how to do it,or learn how to protect yourself. But
it seems like in a lot ofthese famous cases, right, this is
how we get ourselves into this.Yeah, I mean you can actually do
that. I mean, you know, when you're at a convention or I
mean anywhere really and you meet somebodythat you have this good intuition that there's
something that drains you off, andthat's the same type. I mean,

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those dark people can come into yourlife and then start controlling you. Really
sometimes you fall in love with them, you find out, you know,
your life goes mad. And that'swhy you also need to do that in
your own personal life. Be carefulwho you talk to and share your life
with, and your love and yourinformation because there's so many I mean,

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there's so many darks. We bought. Chris brought up a good point on
all that speaking engagement, and itwas about basically being too obsessed with the
darkness and paranormal and not understanding thepurpose of it all. If somebody has
an after life experience, they seean entity, you can't immediately for sensationalism,

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which networks like to do, immediatelyit's demonic or evil entities, because
you could be calling a little childa demon. But the thing about it
is there's so much focus on thatin today's shows that it's about searching evil
stuff instead of just understanding what's there. Is what's there, But be careful

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what you look for, because firstof all, someone from the afterlife isn't
going to speak to somebody necessary that'sgot no hope. They're not looking for
somebody's hopeless to help them cross ofthe light. The people that are the
emptities that are looking for people withno hope are looking for empty vessels.
You know, that's the whole point. Yeah, you know, if you

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like I mentioned this, John carbonIs movie Prince of darkness with Alice Cooper.
That one was such an amazing thing. Where did the devil first choose
to go all the homeless people becausethey'd given up hope. So when you're
going and doing these anomal investigations orOuiji boards all this other stuff, if

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you're empty inside, get ready toget ready to be filled up by something
you might not want exactly right,Never do it when you're sick. Never
do it when you're weak, Neverdo it when you're grieving, Never do
it when you're in a bad place. It's just not smart, you know,
m h. And because that's thetime that you're open for influence,

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you know. And it doesn't matterwhether you want to whether you believe in
God and the devil or good andevil. I mean, the way that
I look at it is I don'tnecessarily believe in Garden the devil, but
I do think it's more than acoincidence that the word good is God with
two o's, and the word evilhas a D in front of it,
which makes it devil. So there'sgood and evil. So whatever you choose

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to believe in, most of thestuff is all based on negative energy,
and negative energy can be stored inanything like. It's fascinating because we know
a lot of our interviews there wasa lot of especially young teenagers that say
they don't believe in God, butthey believe in the devil. And I'm
going, well, you got tobelieve in both, because you know,

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like I said it, and speakerslike I'm a if I said I'm afraid
to believe in God, that's becauseI would have to believe in the devil.
And that's a horrible thing. Butyou can't have one without the other.
They work off each other well,and don't you think sometimes the lie
that the devil tells is like I'mthe fun God. I remember once when

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I was working on the Howard Sternstation, we did a we had a
guest who had written a book onSatanism and the chapter about God was called
the God of the assholes anyway,And I hope I can say that on
KG here. I guess I did. And it was all basically about how
you know, is it God abummer because they brought up, you know,

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everything from Puritanical evangelical religion, whichwe know that's not God. That's
religion like that is made by man. Yeah, but the idea was,
boy, if you really want tohave a miserable life, follow God.
But Satan's the way to go becauseSatan's fun. And I think that's sort
of the lie sometimes that darkness tellspeople. Yeah, they also remember they

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used to have the because you whenthe Christian channel had the right to put
their TV, the TV hads ontelevision, right, So, well then
so did the Church of Satan.And it was funny. It was kind
of God, come to the good, come to the dark ugly side.
You know, this is really real, and because you know, they always

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put good as handsome and evil asugly, even though especially after being married
four times, you realize that noteverything that is evil is ugly. If
you get tempted buy something pretty andthen you find out it's really not good.
Yeah, I think on what wasYeah, that's a really good analogy.

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Actually Satan to your marriages. Yeah, no comment, no comment.
I think another good example of thatis with our show The Attached. I
think we had spoke with you lasttime about that. That's on Prime and
Favors, Thank you, Prime toBe and Apple. Did you hear?

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Did you did you hear what happenedto the exors in the box we had
no no, and the diary wehad there we had or we have or
we had the original Annalise Makeel whichis a real Emily Rose exorcism box.
I remember that. Yeah, itwas maybe seven youths and the exorcist diary

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a copy we had. It wassix copies we had numbered six since we
did these six out of six.Yeah, I'm not going to go.
We did in two thousand and eight, so it was time to let go.
So Zach Begans has it in hishaunted museum. Okay, okay,

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do you think do you think allthat stuff affects him? I mean do
you think everybody? I mean anybodythat would be around that much stuff?
But I think he wanted it becauseI talked to hours with him and he
was really really nice, and wetry to say, well, you know,
this is a you know, whatare we going to do with this

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very heroic dart item. It belongsto the museum. She longs to a
museum so that it's historic other peoplecan feel it and feel the energy and
see it and decide on themselves.Mean, our choices were private. Collector
put in his basement. Oh,it should go into a place where you
can actually go see this will diary. I'll use that to spearhead and the

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point of the story here Annalie's Michel. If you want a summation, you
want bullet points, you want exorcismor possession for dummies, this is it.
Annalie's Michel chose to die just likeJesus did on the Cross in her
bully system. She chose to takethe devil with her so she could prove

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that the devil they evil exists,so people could believe in something that's exactly
what basically Christ did on the Cross. That was the true story. She
You know, i'd never seen themovie, which is crazy. I think
I told you this. I watchedthis exorcism Memory Rose two weeks ago and

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I was actually pleasantly happy how accuratesome of the story was. You know
they have to actually, yeah,how they have to ask the demon the
name before they put you know,the exercise them. Well, they go,
what's your name? Demon? Soundsso corny? What's your name?
Demon? And she goes, whatdid people five? Six? Why?
And I went, that's so coolbecause historically, accurately she was possessed by

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six demons. There was Nero,there was Kane of Able and Kine in
the Bible, and the most shockingone was Adolf Hitler. And if you
listen to recordings in our show TheAttacks, we have two hundred recordings we
had to go through. It's funnybecause somebody wrote, we have some clips

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upon our YouTube channel, spook TV, and somebody wrote, oh, so
these guys are demons now, andI'm going, like, anybody that does
such horrific things to so many humanbeings, it's definitely it is the meaning
of the devil. You know.It's so funny that you say that,
because when people say things to me, like, you know, clients asking

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questions like, oh, well,when Hitler died, he punished, right,
And I always say, how doyou know Hitler wasn't waiting on the
other side, Because you know,I believe where we go and where somebody
like Hitler went is two different places. So wherever Hitler went, he might
have walked through a tunnel that wasblack instead of white, and there might

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have been somebody at the other endwaiting with a cupcake, like, good
job, they are bad, andthey're bad is our good? Right?
No, that's actually a really goodpoint that like, if you're bad,
you go to your heaven, whichis hell. And that's a really good
point, because hell is not hell. Is hell is heaven to these people?
Yes, yes, because yes,as filmmakers, documentarians or people,

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whatever you do, if you're blessedenough with a medium to be able to
put your stuff out expressly, youbetter think what kind of influence it has
on people. You can't cancel cultureout cases like the Exors file or Anializmchel.
They tried so hard to do thatwhen she died. They tried to

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burn her house down, they desecratedher grave, they called her a witch.
It was only when which we gotthe footage of the zooming her body,
if you remember the show, andwhen they opened the coffin up to
change the casket out, she hadn'trotted. And that's indeed of becoming a
saint. But the bottom line isthere is now a monument to Aniali's mckel,

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a saint Anie's Michel. Now,if you want to go around,
they did they officially, I meanshe officially. Well, yeah, I
mean in Germany they did. Yeah. I'm confused about that because there's a
lot of saints from a lot ofcountries, and yeah, it's a German
saint. Yes, a German inGermany. Yes, there's something that I

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think it's called. But the thingis, it's really important that the stories
are told fully that you just don'tedit them like, oh, she's a
monster in it. I think,you know, it's like, you know,
when we had done the Back tothe Exorcist spy, we had brought
in a parapsychology and a psychiatrist,and my whole concept was to put the
devil on the couch and do apsychiatric test with him, which you could

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imagine, say hello, how areyou today, you know, and he's
going to go like, so,why are you why do you think?
Or why are you so evil?Mister devil? Why are you so pornographic?
Mister devil? And then he foundout he wasn't talking to the devil,
he was talking to man. Aman. Yeah, because there's nothing
more evil than man. And wecan see that going on today. Terrible

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stuff they do, and so,you know, did the devil possess Homus?
What they did over there, didsome horrific stuff. I'm not not
talking about talking about terroristic people thatjust you know, in the name of
God, they'll do whatever that wasa crusade, which is not my God.
And you can I believe in everyGod, but not my God that

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will rape and kill and you know, mutilate people like that, and and
I think that that is truly.The Bible is man made, and so
it's a horrific events is man made, and they can use the devil possibly's
inspiration, but I'm not even sureif the devil really is as bad as

(33:27):
man as he's just sitting back.You do my job. I'm just going
to kick back. I have organizedreligion as like a fan club for God.
Yeah if you if just because yousay Taylor Swift said something, doesn't
mean she said it. But inthe fan club, everybody's spreading it around
like it's true. It's like Amazon, it's Amazon of God because they make

(33:53):
all the money. God doesn't makethe money, but Amazon does, you
know, and serve it out topeople, and they sell it to people.
They deliver it to people on yourdoorstep. So yeah, I agree,
I do. And the whole ideathat you have to toe the line
and believe in this or you can'tbe part of the group that is not

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Spirit doesn't care about any of thatabout you being part of a group,
or you agreeing with everybody else.Those are all man made concepts. I
think the whole thing is a scanttactic, like if you aren't good,
are you you know the Ten Commandments? You end up in this a dark,
hellish place that's burning full of fireto stare the hell out of you

(34:37):
to be good. That's not necessarilya bad thing in its focus that there
needs to be some higher source thattells you that you do need to be
good because mankind, you could learnfrom that. Right now, these don't
seem to be listening. But thething about it is everybody has a choice
in them whether they want to begood or about it. At some point

(34:59):
in the life they choose that path. And of course when they're open to
influence with its drugs, alcohol,or things that happen to them in the
way they're growing up. That's howcalmer is controlled. I mean, you
make your own calm, or youdo something terrible, it's gonna come back.
It just is. But I don'tneed, you know, I don't

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need like a thread over my headthat tells me if you don't act like
this, you're going to go toa fiery place. I think good people
have heart, they have true theyknow how they feel other people suffering,
and that kind of thing when youespecially to bring that in the paranormal world.

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There's not enough of that because it'sall become superficial industry and it's really
hard to get the messages across becausethere's mixed things about Remember when they change
the Holy Ghost from the Bible tothe word holy spirit mean spirit is in
general and the ghost was too stereotypecoming back in resurrection. I mean,

(36:07):
I think it's all very fascinating stuff. I think, but the bottom line
is we all need to believe andthere's something bigger than ourselves, because it's
not the world is not revolving aroundour world. There's something bigger that affects
you, your viewers. Really thepunchline is you have to believe that you

(36:27):
on me because when I feel painmyself, you know what it feels like.
So you treat everybody like it toyourself. You're not gonna you're not
gonna hurt somebody. You're gonna knowhow it feels like. You would never
want to do that as one person. So I want you to be happy.
I want to be happy, andI want you to be happy.
It's such a lack of empathy inthe world today. It's greed. And

(36:52):
I think there's many, many,many, many many good people, many
many good I believe that too.Yeah, do you think there are ever?
Do you think there are souls thatdon't make that choice? Because I
feel like, you know, wetalk about special souls coming here like a

(37:12):
Gandhi or you know, to dothis good work, right Christ John the
Baptist. Do you think that thedarkness sends them as well? That there
are souls that just maybe come fromthe other place. There has to be,
because if somebody sends out something good, you have to believe someone sends
out something bad because it's hot andcold, wet and dry. There's your

(37:36):
whole as that everything is valinus.I think when when something goes wrong,
it's off balinus. I think we'remagnets. You know. That's why when
you understand the paranormal, if youhave that darkness in you, a lot
of it, it sees that focusof your life and you draw that without
getting into the you know, thewu woo spiritual authentation. It's still a

(38:01):
magnet. So if you a negativeand dark and you focus on dark stuff,
you draw that to you. There'snothing wrong with having a balance,
you know, understanding that balance betweendark and light. We all have dark
and light, and sometimes the darkstuff makes us stronger, it makes us

(38:22):
stand up for ourselves. So it'sa balance. But somehow that you can't
have light without darkness, you wouldn'tknow what it was. I mean,
why is exactly and why is therea night? Why is there not good?
Any question anybody wants to ask.Just figure it out, am I

(38:42):
balance because you have to have bothexactly well. And this this planet right
Earth, and other planets like it. Probably they're teaching planets there were you
come to learn. And if everythingwas light and there was no darkness,
and everything was good and there wasno disease or famine, and the sun
always shine and there was no night, how would you learn? I mean,

(39:05):
we're here to learn, right,So we have to be in a
place where there's a certain amount ofstruggle and pushback in order for us to
learn, for the soul growth.And I'm all good with that, the
learning and the and the obstacles overcomingand the lessons, I'm all good with
that. But sometimes the darkness getsto be a bit much and I know
there's nothing we can do about it, because as there is God, there

(39:29):
is the devil, right as thereis light there. That's why you need
paid vacations because otherwise what happens isyou do so much good, and you're
doing so well, and you makeit so much money, but she's so
burned out and you keep going tothe point that you hate what you love
instead of being able to take amoment to balance yourself and like say,

(39:50):
friantss Sema, this week and myson's coming over, I need to spend
the whole week and just with himand not do any work. And then
you find that when you grow backto work next sweep, you refreshed and
happy. So it's just important totake a break, you know, I
like feel was saying earlier. Butin the paranormal, so many people are
overwhelmed and focused on the dead.They're not even living anymore, right,

(40:16):
Yeah, and the paranormal wants totalk to living. They don't want to
talk to dead. Yes, Yeah, that's where they're at. They're like,
hey, you know, like,oh, you got that job,
and then you're interested, I wouldlike to have that job because it sounds
sexier or or you know, moresuccessful. Well, I'm living, so
they want to be living or theywant to be wrong. And have you

(40:37):
ever noticed the amount of people thatget sick, like terrible life threatening illnesses
that are in paranormal and I meantruly and so I think it's I mean
the things people ask us all thetime. We've been doing this for twenty

(40:58):
odd years and the stuff we've seen. You can't deny that it exists,
right, But if you use thatto understand how grateful you are to be
alive and how grateful you are tobe able to help somebody that's suffering,
whether it's in life or the afterlife, then that's a good mission from it

(41:22):
all. But the people that absorbthemselves so much into the darkness and going
into these places and starring God,so many people are getting sick, you
know, all it's and then it'sthe mold and the building. Well,
I'm not going to say that itdoesn't have some effect on you, but
I'm going to tell you something.There is all high amount of people that

(41:45):
have help problems that are paranormal investigators. I mean, really, do you
know? So maybe they're taking littlemore they can shoot, you know,
Yeah, I think you need tohave some levity, You need to have
light to balance it out. Itcan't always be about negative, negative,
negative negative. Yeah, but whatshow Sheena you see on television that's to

(42:09):
do with paranormal that talks about life, Yeah, you know, very rarely.
I'm hoping we're going to get moreof that. I mean reality shows.
No, it's all about it's allabout the darkness from the beginning of
the end and watching people suffering,and the person who owns the house or
works at the location or whatever itis suffering suffering, suffering and crying.

(42:32):
And yeah, I think we needto we need to find something that balances
that out for sure. Yeah,we need to find that balance. That's
it's so important. And I justthink that we we as humans. I
think as a species, we tendto be drawn to negative things, depressing

(42:57):
things. I don't know if it'swhat we're gonna religion has done to us
generation after generation or well. Thebrain, Yeah, the brain thinks five
times more negative thoughts and positives.The big research I'm a big joeas doctor
Joda, Spenser, Greg Braiden,Uh sure you know those people. And
it's a scientific fact that the brainthinks five times more negative thoughts than they

(43:22):
do positive ones. So you're alreadyon an uphill battle in life as it
is. But you do get tochoose what you watch, what influences you,
who you are around, what,what you take in, what you
say canceled bleat, I'm not hearingthat your fat and watching. You have
that choice, but you eat yes, and how much? Yeah, it

(43:45):
changes your whole mind frame. Imean, it's really easy to wake up
negative and it's really hard to wakeup positive. So what you wanted.
Meditation to me is one of thegreatest things that you can do. I
do a lot of meditations and andyou start your day out beautiful. Then
you got it made you know,you just don't want to start it.
Do not look at social media,Do not look at the Do you even

(44:07):
notice something it helped put you right? Yeah? I mean seriously, anybody,
anybody is listening or yourself feel goodand their vibe and they have their
coffee, they get up, theyput on Facebook or social media, whatever
it is, and immediately they feeltheir energy go whoa look at me competition.

(44:28):
Oh I got a new house,I got a new car. Well,
I'm not doing that all of asudden, they go, it's not
really very social anymore. Social mediait seems antisocial. I think it's the
better to go on a nice longwalk and hug a dog or something.
Yeah. Well, I think it'sbecome a place for people to spew their

(44:50):
unhappiness yeah, oh yeah, andtheir feelings of inadequacy, and and it's
for a lot of people who feellike they don't have any some one else
they can tell that too. Yeah, that's sad that it's that, That's
what Yeah. But I mean withthat said, I mean, you know,
there's so much talk about divide andracism and this. I have to

(45:14):
tell you us going out on theroads, I don't see any of that.
I just see a lot of beautifulpeople and everybody's fucking each other and
just no matter what color, whatsize, whatever, everybody's literally happy to
see each other. And that's howI saw. I didn't see any divide.
I didn't see any horrific. I'mkind of happy about that. He

(45:36):
Kraps likes to do that to hisThay. They want to make sure that
there's always a problem with whatever itis. And I don't have a problem
with anybody, or you must havehelped over two thousand people and everyone was
so beautiful, I mean truly,and they all had it was just like
it was. I loved listening towhat, you know, the what their
comments and what they had to say. And you know, aly on social

(46:00):
media, are they like assholes?You know, you get away with it
like, oh I can tight somethingthat keyboard. You don't know me,
you know, keyboard worrying man bigMan. Yeah, yeah, I hope
that we Yeah. I think that'sone thing that's beautiful about the paranormal community,
the spiritual community, the sci fihorror community, is there's all different

(46:23):
kinds of people there from all differentwalks of life, and nobody cares what
anybody looks like or seems like,you know, you can find somebody very
you know New England conservatively dressed nextto someone dressed like a Klingon and they're
hanging out together like it's it's avery accepting group of people and a very

(46:44):
loving group of people. And Ithink that that that's wonderful. I mean,
I I blame nerded them. Ithink we all grew up being like
nerdy and so we're just used tolike collecting all the people that that don't
belong anywhere else and including and andthat's what you know. Paranormal community conferences
and spiritual conferences are so beautiful andthere's just so many nice people there.

(47:07):
Yeah, they're all I think.That's why I'm just doing them as much
as the two of you do.That must be just like good feelings all
around. It is, and itit it's the only dragons that one should
get back. You'd go like,wow, what d you know? You
drained it going like I miss that. I miss that. It's really nice

(47:27):
to go to those those places andsay and these people that, whether they've
got these new shows out, likeyou know, the twenty eight Days Haunted
or Jack Osborne he's with his newshow. Such a nice guy. I
mean this. When I first metJack just well it's Scarfest and I just
went out to him. I said, God, I just want to wish
your dad the best, you know, and your mom because I know all

(47:51):
you guys are not well, youknow, and I just wanted to do
it. And he said, hegoes, thank you. That means so
much to me. Was like,hey, can I disortograph? Can you
do this for me or whatever?Sure? It was like I just want
to wish you guys at best.Yeah, it was just so nice to
go to little Things and see thosepeople that all those TV shows were,
all the fans that say, youknow, I got into the paranormal because

(48:15):
I watched one of the shows andimmediately I go, well, I guess
I start to feel like led ZeppelAerospa. But I'm saying putting that aside
with the the bottom line is withthe new streaming deal where you can see
all the shows now on Prime andVideo and Apple TV and twob is,

(48:36):
it's opened up a whole new marketfor us, and they're seeing that stuff
and like, he's your kind introboot you had opened up with how deep
the stuff is that we do,whether it's Children of the Grave which was
about the orphan trains and how peopleare deeply moved by the afterlife. Not

(48:59):
just sure it has the scary stuffin it, but like I said earlier,
you know what's really need things withlight. What's the most scariest thing
is to be in Carton limbo.And it's something they don't teach people,
like when everybody's going to eventually die, So you really need to have everything
together. Your suitcase needs to beclosed and packed and it's over, so

(49:22):
you don't have anything to do whenit comes to that time to pass,
So you are not in limbo,like or did I leave the oven on?
Did I do this? Did Imake a will? How am I
going to take care of my kids? I'm in limbo now. That's that's
my total want to that's my totalfeeling. I was asked this to what
a ghost is, and you know, well, God, that's a big

(49:44):
question. But the Arizona in WorldWar two, the Japanese bomb that where
they were looking at pictures of theirwife and new sisters, music playing,
all this, and all of asudden, before they even had a time
to think about it, the rightlife is taken. So now they're like,
well then what's happening. That's thatcommunication of being that taken so fast.

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You didn't make peace with your life, you didn't make your mark with
your life, you didn't say whatyou need to say, and you eat
it stuck. And I find thatis a good example of limbo. And
you can have that limbo living aswell as being your force potential was not
delivered. That's what it is.When you're born, you have this force

(50:31):
potential so it's important to focus onthat. If you don't finish it,
then you will be somewhat stuck.I agree, you too, are so
wonderful. Where can people find allyour stuff? Let's do this again and
what's new for you? Well?So, well, you can find it
on fab you can see it upwell, it's spooktv dot com. But

(50:53):
you can find it all over Amazon, Prime video, on TV, on
Apple, TV on we have alarge YouTube channel that TVU tourishing stuff just
everywhere. We're really pretty much everywhere. And we're working on a brand new
film that we just won Best FilmFeature at Scarfest. We won the Best

(51:17):
Film and that won't be out fora while because it's at the American film
market. It's called Never Blink.It's in the sales able now so but
it's called Never Blink. And that'sa horror movie that's coming out next year
some time. You can always typein the Booth Brothers movies. Don't put
in the Booth Brothers. You'll geta gospel church if people know that.

(51:39):
Yeah, there they are a veryfamous gospel the Booth Brothers. But you've
put the Booth Brothers films and movies. I was going to kick out of
it because it says that you andI'm going we'll look at those guys.
If that looked like I was fantastic, it's fantastic stuff over there. I
appreciate you so much. Thank youfor being here. Thank you to Philip

(52:00):
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