November 25, 2023 • 52 mins
On this episode, Sheena welcomes amazing character actress, Naomi Grossman, whose portrayal of Pepper on the acclaimed series, "American Horror Story", has won the hearts of fans worldwide.
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And now I'm coming to you live. It's from the City of Angels,
Los Angeles, California. It's theSheena Metal Experience with your host, Sheena
Metal Only. I'm KGRA Digital Broadcasting. Hi, and welcome to the Sina
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Metal Experience. I'm KGRA Digital BroadcastingNetwork. I'm your host, Shea Metal.
I'm a psychic medium, I'm aninterfaith minister. I'm a twenty eight
year talk radio host in Los Angelesand beyond. I'm a creative and a
performing artist, and I come toyou live from my home in southern California
every Friday at three o'clock Pacific time. This show is about spirituality, it's
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about creativity, it's about humanity,it's about passion. It's about service.
It's about being and then becoming yourbest you in this beautiful becoming and then
being your best you in this big, beautiful world, and then inspiring others
to do the same. And everyweek on the show, it may be
my show, but it's always withouta doubt, your experience. My guest
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today is returning to the show.She was one of the very first guests
when we first moved the show toKGRA, a Digital Broadcasting Network. She
is a wonderfully talented actress and writerwho rose to fame playing Pepper in the
Wonderful American Horror story series. She'salso a very talented theatrical solo performer.
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Has a new show coming up liveon stage. And it's always an honor
to be here with my friend NaomiGrossman. How are you, darling?
Oh hello, you interrupted some ofmy best reading. Oh nice, nice,
Yeah, yeah, it was fillingmyself up up with good juju for
your show. I love that story. That's awesome. Yeah, And I
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don't think we've we've really talked aboutthat, right, I mean, I
know at one point you said,like, we've never talked about spirituality on
your show, and I think we'realways so busy talking about art. For
me, it's hard to separate thetwo because I believe that creativity is a
is a co creation between spirit andme. For you, when you write,
when you create, when you puta character together, where does it
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come from? For you? Mm? I mean I I can answer that
many many ways, but if I'manswering you on your show, yes to
say it comes from spirit, itcomes from the universe, it comes from
you know, it's it's I Ithink it's all connected. You know,
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Like I said, I I willyou mentioned yourself that, uh that I
have this show coming up, andyou know as any time you have like
a big kind of event like that, you're bound to have some anxiety.
And so yeah, I've been likesort of struggling with some you know,
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just stage fright and you know,all that kind of normal stuff. But
so there's nothing like just a gooddose of like goodness to remind me,
wait a minute, like I don't. I may doubt myself, but I
don't. My faith in you know, the universe and and and source and
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whatever you want to call it doesnot waiver one bit. And yet I
am that like I am, Iam made in the image and likeness.
So it's it's all the same thing. So I think it's very easy to
you know, just sort of selfdoubt and self low both, but you
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kind of can't do both, likeI if I stop and go wait a
minute, But I'm source too,you know what I mean? We all
are. Yeah, sure, itall comes. It comes from the same
place. It's interesting because as ayoung actor fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old,
I had horrible anxiety like I hadto talk myself into going to school
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every day because the anxiety was sobad. But when I worked, when
I was on stage, when Igot to the theater, it went away.
Because even at that age, Ibelieved that creating was spiritual, and
I believe that that God would takecare of me. I guess at that
time I called spirit God would takecare of me through the creative process.
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I have a friend who's a verywell known rock star, and she always
says that when she's in front ofthe microphone, it's great. When her
life gets fucked up is when themicrophones turned off, and I think for
me it was kind of that waytoo. So many people I knew struggled
with stage fright and worry they weren'tgood enough as performers. And I was
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so thankful that I never did.All of my anxiety came in my real
life. And I'm so stupid becauseif I had just thought about it,
like you said, I would haverealized that Spirit was taking care of me
during those times too. But that'sa hard time for me. I mean,
that was the time. Have youhave you do you always have those
kinds of doubts as a performer becauseyou strike me as somebody who's just like,
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oh, but like you're like thegirl of performing. No, I
know, and people say that aboutme, They're like, wait, really
you And it's new, it's anew thing. I haven't I didn't.
Yeah, And I don't know ifit's I think it's just the fact that
I haven't done this in a while, Like I'm a little rusty, you
know. I mean I did myfirst solo show twenty years ago, and
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and you know, at the time, no one was watching like I was.
I mean, I had a nicefull house at all, but uh,
you know, no one had anyexpectations of me, and and then
any and even then so they wereso surprised that this this girl who's you
know, the Red Bull girl orthe waitress or the you know whatever my
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odd odd job du jour was wasactually had any kind of talent was like
a bonus, you know. Andthat and besides, I was putting myself
out there on a very regular basis, you know, just creating. I
was, I was doing the Groundlings, I was in the Sunday Company,
and so like on a very regularbasis, I was working that muscle of
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being on stage, improvising, puttinga whole new material up every day,
every single weekend, and it wasso I was I you know, I
think I've I don't want to sayafropeed, but you know that that was
my life then. And even evenas recently as my last solo show,
which was ten still twelve years ago, you know, I was just I
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was in a kind of a differentplace at this point, you know,
since with the pandemic, like Ithink we all kind of got a little
flabby as far as you know,uh performance goes, and you know,
and even then my my auditions they'reall virtual. So you know, I
haven't had a bad audition in weeksor I mean years, rather just because
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if I don't like the way itgoes, I take do it take two?
You know what I mean. SoI'm not I'm not used to being
on in the same way. Andbesides, this is totally this is just
unprecedented, Like I haven't done thisshow yet. The others I do feel
are kind of tried and true.Don't get me wrong, I am confident.
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I know this show is going tobe I'm so excited about it.
I mean, I think it's betterthan the first two combined. So I'm
not really worried about it. It'sjust like I said, it's something new,
something different. I always got here, what's doing different? I think
we all you know. I dida play for the first time in November
with an original piece that I wrote, a monologue's play, and I was
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fine with the creative process, butI was surprised at I was not used
to sitting in traffic. You know, I've been living down here at the
beach, in the house I grewup in, and driving to Century City
in West Hollywood every day in rushhour traffic. I was like, oh,
I'm not used to this many peopleand this much traffic. And when
I really felt it was I wentto a Christmas party at one of my
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favorite gays homes, so there waslike, you know, I always say,
there's always like one hundred gay guysand me and Margaret show there.
And I went early so it wouldn'tbe busy, but it was already busy
early, and by the time I'dbeen there an hour, it was so
packed you couldn't move around, andit made me a little uncomfortable. I
was like, oh my god,this is a lot of people. We're
not people are a muscle too,right, peopling is a muscle, and
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we're not We're not used to likethat many people anymore. And I did
a par con last month and thesame thing. I was like, Wow,
I got to I got to reequate myself with what it's like to
be around that many people, becauseat least when you're on stage, there's
that separation between the audience and you, But just in everyday life, to
be around people, it's all comingback, and so it doesn't surprise me
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if this all feels very new.And also the expectation, right, I
mean, I've read articles with peoplethat have talked about you know why it
is that that famous people have problemsand they because everybody always says like,
wasn't it famous? I won't tohave any more problems. But I read
articles and think it wasn't Ben Afflecksaying that, No, it's worse because
the more people know you, themore expectation there is on you, and
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the more you worried you're going tolose what you have if the next thing
isn't good. So I totally getthat. That being said, I don't
worry this much about you because Iknow how magic you are. But I
get that you do think like thisis kind of your coming out party on
stage. Yes, And I said, I now there's people are looking now,
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paying attention and and so yeah,I agree with Ben and you and
everything. Yeah, yeah, it'sit's interesting. So what do you do
spiritually to sort of get yourself inthat zen place before you have to step
on a stage and do a showwhere it's literally just you, right,
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everybody's looking at you. You can'tyou can't go and now drummer, take
a solo and leave the stage.Right. Oh, I mean yoga is
a huge part of my I thinkthat's just to keep me from being a
complete maniac on a Yeah, that'snot just performer, that's just to be
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a human. Uh but yeah,I mean I'm like a completely different person.
And when I get out of yogaclass, it's like, you know,
I'm like angry and irritated and irritable, and you know, and then
all of a sudden, you know, once I've done that, I'm like,
oh, it's like mister Jackyl andyou know, mister whatever, doctor
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Jackyll may still hide and all ofa sudden, I'm like, oh,
now I'm ready for my close upI'm ready for people to be among a
society now. So there's that's athat's a muss for me. Like I
said, there is a certain amountof just sort of hyping ones up,
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one up, whether it's like Isaid, I love this book, you
are a badass, or you know, even just like contemplation and even prayer,
you know, I mean, Ithink just being quiet with your your
thoughts. I think being quiet withyour script, quiet with your notes,
you know, read, rereading,you know everything. The director said,
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I mean, I'm I'm I don'tthink I'm as such a great actress as
I am an amazing I'm very pliableas far as director. So I'm just
like and as long as you willshape me, I will do whatever you
say. I'm very good at takingdirection. So you know, like I
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said, just kind of putting thatall, getting that all in your brain
right before you go on, becauseI mean right now. And I don't
know if this is a COVID thingtoo, but I just don't have the
bandwidth for everything. So I'll seepeople now that I'm like, do we
know each other? They're like,yes, we're best friends, and I'm
like, I'm sorry, Like literally, I don't have the space in my
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brain for all the all the people, all the places, all the things,
all the everything. So you know, at this point, I do
feel like if you shake me,like all the dialogue, all that everything
will come out. So I'm tryingto be very careful about like not moving
too fast. And you know,there's only so much I can download at
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a time, and my hard driveis maxed out right now. Yeah,
and that's okay, that's I mean, I just got to keep it in
there till you know, through theend of June. Absolutely. What is
it like to work with a director, because you have a director right yep,
on a project that you wrote yourselfabout you? Is that is that
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kind of a little bit of amind trip? Sometimes? I don't think
so. I mean, I thinkit is a little bit therapeutic, you
know. I mean, there,let's face it, there's a lot of
kind of like introspection and like,hmmm, what a funny thing I did?
And like why why was that?You know, like it's almost like
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therapy where you're kind of like insteadof talking talking it out, you're writing
it out and then and and carvingthose jokes and and and moments. So
no, I mean, I agree, it's probably not for everyone. It's
it happens to be my sort ofmedium of choice. Does that make me
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an ego maniac? Maybe? Ihope not. I just think I think
that I'm very self aware and thereforereally good at identifying like that's hilarious or
that's weird, or that's story worthy, you know, Like I do think
like there's oftentimes like I'll be ona road and I could go right and
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like live happily ever after, orI could go left and have like a
great story for cocktail parties, andI will always go left. I can't
help it, Like, and Iknow I can see like left might mean
like jail time. It might Imean, it could be man even not
that I've ever been to jail,but I've gotten lucky. There's totally things
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that like but I can't help.But I want to know how it ends,
you know. And so I'm alittle bit my own like Barbara Krueger,
you know what I mean, LikeI kind of put myself into positions
just to see where it goes,and like I said, it invariably becomes
material at the end of the day. So I think I'm really great at
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laughing at myself and that's important.You know. So in a situation like
that where it is a kind ofalmost therapy that then becomes your art for
others to learn from, does thedirector sort of be like is the director
sort of like the therapist, Likehe's sort of guiding you through your own
story in a way. Yeah,I think for a while I thought this
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was. Yeah. I think hedefinitely without ever you know, putting pen
to paper. I think he definitelyhelped the drama turgy in that. For
a while, I thought the horrorof American the horror story was promiscuous,
and he's like, oh no,no, there's there was one slutty story
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that got we We actually zilched it. The horror in this show is a
hustler, someone who's a woman who'swilling to horror out do what she's got
to do to get what she wants. And I mean, let's face it,
American hustler story doesn't have quite thesame ring, especially you know,
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affiliate of the show. So youknow, but like if you look up
horror in the dictionary, you'll findit's not just a you know, a
lady. There's all kinds of horrorsand and and let's face it, I
already did that horror. That's uh, that's carnival knowledge, which which is
you know, twelve years ago.This is a whole new, whole new
Naomi whole new show. Yeah,it's funny. I always I never it
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always. I always thought it wasa whore in the non literal sense when
I when I saw it. ButI think everybody in their lives, right,
especially now that we live in thistechnological age of social media, you
kind of have to learn to dothat. You gotta learn to hohore yourself
out or you're gonna be the treethat falls in the forest and no one
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hears, oh yeah, so comingwell, And it's not you know,
it's not a like a bad wordlike I mean, it is kind of
depends, but like if you lookup, I mean, if you just
listen to like two seconds of rapmusic, they're saying like, I'm a
hustler, Like you know, I'mYeah, that's that's their thing, you
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know what I mean, Like everyone'sout there grinding, they're all getting her
done, and I'm no different,you know, So so I think and
even then now I think about it, didn't Beyonce do that one song I
think it's called Diva where she's like, uh, you know, a diva
is just a It's just a it'sjust a hustler. A diva is just
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a whole or something like that,where it's like, it's not a bad
word, it's called a woman.Who is you know, making it happen
whatever it takes. Exactly. That'sthe thing. I mean, if you
look at it from a spiritual perspective, you're an artist and different opportunities have
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been presented to you. What areyou going to do with them? I
mean you discod and there are peopleright there are people who would do a
role on the show like American HorrorStory, not have any social media,
interact with no one, not goto para conferences, not not do anything,
and uh you know, float offinto obscurity and then get mad because
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they had to become an insurance salesmanthe next year. What are you going
to do with the opportunities that you'regiven? And for me channeling messages with
spirit all the time, I getthose messages constantly, not just for my
clients before myself, what are youdoing to move yourself forward so then you
can help more people? Because themore, the more you can quote unquote
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pore yourself out, Naomi, themore that can lead to bigger and more
artistic opportunities for me. The moreyou can move people the way that little
Pepper, who appeared on a handfulof episodes, has moved millions of people
all over the world. So manypeople send you art, they send you
presents. They love her. Shemakes them feel good in their bellies.
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I love her. I feel thesame way before I loved you, I
loved her. And so the moreopportunities you get like that, the more
people that you can bring that joyto. There's nothing wrong with that.
In the energy of the universe,that's what we're all supposed to be doing.
What are you doing with the giyou were given? What to me
would be a crime would be whatwould be a dirty word is if you
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took all this talent that Sparay gaveyou and did nothing with because then nobody
would see how beautiful you are andhow much you have to give, and
then what's the purpose of it all. It's a wasted gift. Thank you,
And it goes back to my youknow, turning left, like yeah,
these stories turning left would be wastedon like a dentist or you know,
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data entry person. You know whatI mean exactly like I am,
this is what I was. I'mhere to do. I believe that this
is you know, and that mightsound again kind of ego maniacole, but
there's a lot of things I'm reallynot good at. Yeah, I've I
really tried to have be an actress, but it's all I wanted and and
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and there was really never any planB. And I do believe that this
is. Yeah. I think Pepperespecially kind of made me realize, like,
wow, I am, I'm actuallytouching people like my art is inspiring
their art. You know they areyou know this, this profession isn't just
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a self serving me me me.I want my face on the side of
the buses. I have to becareful about saying that, because whenever I
do, I'm worried one day I'mgoing to be like hit by a bus
and I'm gonna be like, wow, I put it out there. I
said what I wanted. So no, I want to be on the billboard
on a bus. Okay, you'relistening, No, but I do.
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I I think that, like Isaid, this would be wasted on someone
that's not a like this. WhenI say when I say this would be
wasted, I just mean all likemy storytelling my the the racontourism would be
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What am I gonna do with that? If I'm a realtor? I don't
know right right, Well, Iguess I guess, so yes, the
story I guess. Friends, youknow what I mean. I always feel
like I would have had my senseof humor to water what I've been in
life, but this way just morepeople get to be exposed to it.
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But you know, my mom usedto have this this thing that she would
say all the time, which Ithought was so beautiful, that crazy things
happen to people in life, certainpeople because some of us it just seems
like we have so many stories,right, so that we can then help
to teach and heal other people.So when people go to see your show,
they will identify within themselves things thathave happened to you, and because
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you're making it funny and fun andheartfelt, it will maybe change the way
they feel about even some things thatare kind of traumatic to them. Because
it's all about how you look ata traumatic thing, right, If you
can either or what is this expression? You either get bitter or you get
better. Right, So if youget better from it and you turn around
and say, hey, you knowwhat, this situation happened in my life
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and oh my god, then otherpeople will say, well, wait a
minute, that's happened to me too. I see it happen on my live
broadcast. All the time I'm tellinga story about something and people are just
popping up saying, oh my god, me too, this happened to me
too. And then you're healing people, right, because sometimes you just need
to know you're not the only onethat happened to yeah, And I think
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that's a lot of what telling yourown story is about. It's about how
are you affecting other people by showingthem. Look. You may think like
I live in la and I'm onthis TV show this kind of life,
But the truth is, you know, I've meant all these same assholes and
I have all the same stories.Oh yeah, I think, Yeah,
this story in particular is in reallyrelatable. And don't get me wrong,
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there's plenty of hs in there too, So tirtle people stands are going to
get their fix and so you know, I say that, and yet I
realized, like, you know,I got to number one on IMDb,
like Lady Gota kissed me. Youknow, there's things that other people are
gonna be like, Okay, Ican't relate, but I swear like there
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are entire monologues of this where I'mlike, I can just I can just
imagine my girlfriend's going, yah,queen, you know what I mean?
Like because each because we've all beenthere, We've all like, we've all
done a job that was like beneathus or you know, wasn't worth it,
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or you know, sold out oror or gave of ourselves to a
relationship that wasn't serving us. Imean, we've all horn out between you
know, well maybe not everybody,Like I'm trying to think of everybody at
some point. I think everybody hasdealt with an oppressive boss when they know
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they should have walked dated a loserthat should have been for like two weeks
but it was ten years. Yeah, you know what put up with an
annoying sibling that you should have toldwhere to go years ago. I mean
I think we all, uh sortof. I always talk about it spiritually
as it's kind of like the zombieapocalypse, the vampires right bite the non
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vampires drain their energy and turn theminto zombies, and all of us kind
of wander around stunned by all thejerks that have done things to us,
and it's we need to all bandtogether and heal and tell the stories because
if we don't, then the zombieapocalypse is gonna get worse, right,
Yeah, or at least like recognizelike, wait a minute, that zombie
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bit me before, like me,you know, but no, I'm not
gonna We're not doing this. Thiszombie looks just like that zombie. Yeah,
because that's I mean, again,I'm not trying to spoil the show,
but there's definitely moments where I'm like, wait a minute, this is
the same thing, like why doI keep doing this? And yeah,
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so yeah, it's some I reallyI agree, I think, you know,
and even Pepper is someone that,like, you know, not most
of us have about a larger brainand don't live in a you know,
orphanage slash asylum. You know,we you know, like there's a lot
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of her that like it's hard,but and yet there's so much of her
that is heart that we we dorelate to. So many I mean,
I can't tell you how many justmarginalized fans I've met who were just like,
oh my god, I I'm Pepper. Like I I don't have a
I don't feel like I have ahome. I don't feel like I have
a place in the world. Idon't feel I don't feel understood, I
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don't feel I feel bullied or putupon and and so well. I think
giving stories and presenting characters that peoplecan relate to is kind of the secret
sauce. I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I do, yeah,
And I think it's so important.And you know, there was a time
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when we were young people, rightthat they they told you, like,
if you're an actor, you haveto be a blank canvas. Don't talk
about yourself. No one wants tohear about your politics, or your spirituality,
or what you think or what you'vebeen through. Now I open up,
like you know, Google in themorning, and it starts sending me
all these stories about you know,this is how Jeremy Renner is healing.
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Yesterday it was George Clooney talks aboutwhen his back got broke on the set
of Siriana. I mean, everybodynow is talking about their life experiences,
and you know what, people needit because if people love you on a
show and they want to learn aboutyou, they need to learn that there's
stories in there for them. It'skind of our higher human purpose, right
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that along with the art comes ourhumanitarian service, and part of that is
just telling your story, just tellingpeople who you are and where you come
from, so that other people canthink, Wow, maybe I can actually
be as happy in my life ordo things with my life. And I've
been through all those same sort ofthings. Yeah, you know, yeah,
I mean I definitely object to thatnotion that you know, actors should
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just act, don't show up exactly. We don't want to hear about your
politics. It's like, right,yeah, well, like why why is
Joe the Plumber about to allowed totalk about his politics exactly? What about
makes him like allowed to talk?And I can't, Like, I think
maybe people object to the fact thatwe usually have a bigger mouthpiece than the
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others, but more yeah, Imean, I think we're all members of
society and and bound to have ourown opinion and if you want to share
it, then that's for you todo. And don't you know, I
look at the kids now, lookat the like kids that are like eighteen
you know nineteen sixteen that are actorsnow I'm musicians. I mean, you
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know about all their stuff. Theyall have foundations, they all have a
charity that they started. They alltalk about all the things they believe in.
They get involved in everything. Ifyou tried to tell those kids,
oh, you can't talk about anythingexcept acting, they just would refuse to.
And I think that's such a goodthing that I want to know what
actors think. If I think somebodyhas talent in any form of art,
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I want to know where that comesfrom and what they think and why they
did it and how they feel aboutit. And I think it's super important.
I mean, just you write playingPepper, a non Microsoft My program
director and I were talking about thisright before when you were getting up online
and a non microsophalic actor playing amicrosophlic character. You have a lot to
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say in that discussion about this wholething that's going on right now about differently
abled actors working and what should actorsbe able to play things they're not.
You didn't ask to be thrown intothat discussion, but you just got thrown
into that discussion. So your opinionand what you think matters because there aren't
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a lot of actors that have beenin your shoes to such an extreme.
It's wonderful that we now, Ithink, get to tell people how we
really really fail about things. Becauseart influences the world, so why shouldn't
the artists be able to as well? Right Well, and obviously I'm biased
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because it worked out for me,But I really think by by reducing actors
down to just play themselves, likeI'm not I'm not a reality star.
I'm not trying to be myself here. The whole point is I want to
be someone else. And that's someoneelse, you know, may not look
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like me, or sound like me, or walk like me, or talk
like me or any of that.Like in fact, ideally she doesn't.
Maybe he doesn't, you know whatI mean. Like, I think that's
okay, Like that's the whole That'swhy I got into this, because they
didn't want to be me. That'sa whole other discussion for a therapist,
m But you know, I reallydo, like I I think that's one
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of the things that I loved aboutPepper is that she was like as far
from me as possible, Like Igot to change myself in almost every way
I mean, she's still Caucasian.But like, other than that, we
really you know, and I'm nota horrible person. There is that,
but other than that, we don'treally have a ton in common. Unfortunately
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a horrible person in the end.No, that's what I mean. I'm
not and she's not either, Sowe have that in common. Oh is
that in common? Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you
athing story that happened to me.I don't know if I've ever told you
this, but it was right aboutthe time that right about the time that
the season of American Heart Story youwere on came out, so maybe a
little bit after season two came out. I was in a Walmart looking for
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sheets because I'm a classy broad,and I turned the corner. Oh,
here comes the cat. Sorry,the cat likes to participate. I turned
the corner and there was a wholegroup of microsophalic folks. Somebody was leading
them, and they were walking inthe group, and they were all holding
hands, and there was a bunchof younger late twenties, early something people
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standing across from them looking at them, and one of them said, like
pepper, and then they all smiledand went, oh my god, they're
so cute. And I thought,now here's a situation where there might have
been a time where the reaction tothem might not have been so I'm crying,
might not have been so positive.But because people knew Pepper, then
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suddenly it was like, oh mygod, they're so cool, they're so
special. That's sweet. I mean, isn't that what a wonderful thing?
If we're seeing stuff sometimes on film, in television, in books, then
we feel differently about it. Itbecomes familiar. And so what your performance
of Pepper did, Naomi? Isit like it made microsophaalic folks? It
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endeared them to the world. Yeah, and there isn't that wonderful? So
in that ward aisle you might notsee there it's you know, it was.
It's nineteen thirty three, Todd Browning'smovie. The last time we were
saw a microsoft. Yes, theymight have been harassed or made fun of
or laughed at. Yes, thatthey were thought to be the cutest thing
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in the world. So isn't thatwonderful? Because it just takes one thing
sometimes to change someone's perspective from ohmy god, what is that? To
oh my god, there's a whatis that it's so cute, and those
folks they didn't hear, and theydidn't notice, they were on their own
trip. But still it kind ofwarmed my heart because I have been in
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situations where sometimes even friends of minewho are different label in some way have
been in a room and the reactionhas not been like that, and it's
been very painful and very hurtful andvery scarring. So sometimes it just takes
I mean, look at what Gleedid for folks with down syndrome, mean
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an American horror story right with Jamiein season one and in season three again
as the psychic Witch, and Jamie'sa dear friend and I love her so
much, Jamie Brewer. Isn't itwonderful? You just have to see a
different face, And even for usNaomi, as women, sometimes you just
have to see a woman in acharacter to go, oh, yeah,
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I totally get how that character couldbe played by a woman. And that's
how we're changing the world, rightright, Yeah. I mean, like
I said, having come from improv, I don't see why I couldn't play
some mitochondria, Like why not?I can do anything like that's absolutelydria.
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She said she didn't want to beherself, so she's just bizarre, biologically
engaging and out there roles. Comeand see her in this? Yeah yeah,
right, no, so uh yeah, I don't. I don't know.
I'm definitely one of those when someonesays jump, I say how high?
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Like, but I when I getan audition, I'm always just like,
does she have to be forty eight? Does she have to be female?
White? Did she have? Like? Can I could I make her
a four hundred year old claw handfrom written in the nineteen sixty Yes?
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Yet, but yet still be theangree now, yes, yeah, exactly
right, Yeah, no, Iagree one hundred percent. Yeah. I
think that's that's why I got intoacting. I never wanted to play anything
where anybody recognized me, because Ithought it was wonderful to immerse yourself in
the life and the story of someoneelse. It's kind of amazed me now
that most of my life as anactor and a radio host and now as
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a spiritual teacher, I mean allof it, I just basically look like
me. That's the biggest shock ofmy life. I never thought anybody would
see my face or even know whatI look like. So, but yeah,
going going deep character like that iswhy we do it. We don't
always get to do it, butit's absolutely why we do it. But
so that must make it even moresort of raw when you're doing the show,
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a solo performance where you are beingyourself talking about yourself. I mean,
that's the commit unveiling spiritually and emotionally, right and creatively. It's true,
now that I think about it,I've really never thought about this,
but here I am always wanting tolike cover myself in prospect rigs and and
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and and costumes and be someone else, you know, take a claw hand
or or put on a shave myhead. And yet this is something where
I'm like, yeah, I ammyself, Like I am totally naked metaphorically
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and and and it's very vulnerable.I'm it's it's definitely like the most grounded
work I've ever done. And andthe reason for it is that it's my
story. Like no one can tellthis like me, and I was there.
So when I'm telling the stories,it's I can literally remember what was
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happening at the time, take yourselfto that place, and tell it as
seamlessly and naturally and organically and groundedas if we were at a cocktail party,
and I was telling you about youknow what happened back in the day,
You know what I mean. Yeah, So it is right. It
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is some of my most like grounded, kind of real work ever. And
it is kind of a decision,right, you make a conscious decision to
put your life out there and livein the isness. When I first started
in radio almost twenty nine years ago, it'll be this summer. I came
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from a very private Irish family whereyou didn't tell people your business. And
I said, Okay, I'm gonnado this radio thing, this talk radio
thing. I'm never going to talkabout my own life. I'm going to
talk about my opinions on things,never my own life. Well, you
know that lasts about three and ahalf days that you run out of things
to talk about, right, Andso you have to make a decision.
Am I gonna lie? Am Igoing to withhold? Or am I just
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going to sort of live in theeverything and be honest about who I am
and what's happened to me? AndI made that decision to be honest and
to live in the everything. It'snot a place for everyone to live.
It certainly has been a wonderful placefor me to live. I wouldn't do
it any other way. Sometimes Iwonder what it's like to be able to
be a person that has secrets andno one knows anything about them. But
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I wouldn't change it for the world. But it is definitely it's like taking
a plunge, right you take that. It's like going to a naked beach
for the first time. You think, well, am I gonna be the
one that still has my clothes on? Or am I just gotta take my
clothes off and do it? Andonce they're off, people have seen it.
You can't pretend they haven't. AndI think it's kind of what you
shared your life, right People thenknow and you come right out and say,
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this is actually from my real life. It's yeah, very brave,
I think. But it is adecision to live with that, right Yeah,
And just but like you said,I don't feel like I have a
choice, like this is who Iam. I am an open book.
There's I've I've had a few secretsin my life and I'm telling them on
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stage. There's gonna be some thingsthat people are gonna be like, oh
snap, I had no idea.So I'm excited they've been invited. I
hope when when I tell people,you know, you need to be there,
this thing is in it, likeI hope they understand like that's code
for it's just like it's all yeah, but you know yeah, like I
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said, I was just born thisway, like I have always been sort
of that, you know, holdingcourt at the cocktail party telling stories.
It's just way more efficient to doit on a stage with with a bigger
audience. Like it's wasted at acocktail party. That's absolutely Now that's a
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good question to ask now because nowI'm curious, how do you hand those
stories about real things? I mean, do you altern just enough to protect
the guilty or not at all?Because they haven't. They haven't protected me,
so you know, Gotra No,I can tell you there is one
lie in the show, and I'lltell you it right now, because I
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do say every word of this horrorstory is true, and yet that's actually
not true. Uh. The lieis that I don't go to gloryholes.
There's a lie. There's a linewhere I say, you know, and
I never saw him ever again,But then I don't go to gloryholes.
I had an ex who was featingon me, with like all of us
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Hollywood, so you know we've allhad bad course, of course, I
hope it's not the same one.Maybe we're Eskimo's sisters and don't know it.
But anyway, but the point isI have been to gloryhole, glory
whole, and so even that isnot true. Like literally everything is true
in the story. Now to yourpoint though, to your question, I
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have erased the names on text messages, I have blacked out eyes that would
you know, get me sued.So no, there won't be any litigations
following the show. My mom wrotea very telling, tell all smut novel,
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if I may say so. Shewouldn't call it that, she would
just call it her memoir. Buthaving read it and the whole entire last
third is just fifty shades of graypubes, I can tell you at least
the last third is a smut novel. And if it's your mom, it's
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it's even worse. It's like,oh, you're anyway, The point is
she used my name in her book, and so yes, I will be
I'm going to be crediting her inthis show. We read from her her
book in the show, and Imean, don't get me wrong. If
she didn't want that done, sheshouldn't have written those things. Like sure
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she published it, like I thinkshe owns it. And actually, like
I said, this is apparently whatwe do. You know what I mean,
we I can't throw stones, youknow, this is what you know?
She I share my stories. Thisis my third you know in the
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trilogy. She apparently shares hers too, like mother like daughter. You know.
So I can't be mad at herfor doing it because I'm doing the
same thing. Yeah, I thinkit's I think it's great. I think
it is good, though not justfor Lidy Gamor's purposes, although nobody wants
to be sued, but to actuallycover up names and cover up faces.
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Because from a spiritual perspective, Ibelieve that when people have been negative,
why celebrate their negativity? Why givethem? Why give them the attention of
people knowing it's them, because itgives them a little bit of negative fame?
And narcissistic people they don't care iftheir fame is negative or positive.
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They just want attention, So whygive it to them? Why not let
them watch and go, oh that'sme, but nobody knows. So I'm
dealing with all the embarrassment, andI'm getting none of the attention. I
mean to me, that's that's howyou really great. You make a great
point. And unfortunately the show isless than three weeks away, so I
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do not have time to strike allmy exes from the show. I said
that you're not showing names and you'renot showing showing faces. Well yeah,
eyeballs, that's okay. That's enoughso that people know who it is,
and you know who it is,and they know who it is. But
but they're not getting the attention ofsomebody googling the masterwords, right, because
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that's what they're looking for. They'relooking for that attack. I know,
because I too, am about towrite a book about basically about what I've
learned from encounters with people who werenot terrific in many aspects of my life.
For a long time, I've beenworking on a book about my mother's
life called Lessons from the Ashes,and it's about the things. It starts
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the day I went to pick upher ashes, and it's about what I
learned from her when she was aliveand after her death. And the other
day I was thinking about it,and I was thinking about some things that
have gone on with people and Igot to download from spirit was was why
don't you write a book called Lessonsfrom the Assholes? And I was like,
oh shit, because for a longtime I had said, you know,
at some point you got to writea book to help people say these
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are the kind of situations that youwant to stay out of. So I've
been thinking about that for the lastcouple of days. So it's really weird
that you would bring this up abouthow am I going to deal with them
knowing it's them? And then Ithought, you know what, if they
know it's them, that's not myproblem. I just don't want the world
to know it's them. So Ithink what you're doing is so smart because
there are people who probably would justput the names in there and not care
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because this way, only they knowit's them. I mean obviously your friends
know, but the regular world doesn'tknow, so they get nothing from it.
And I think that's so awesome.Go you yeah, oh, thank
you. Yeah. I mean,like I said, you really have to
screw up to get in my show, you know, right, me too,
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because you're gonna have to really havescrewed up. Yes, yeah,
So you know, being being inthe show is not a badge of honor,
like you don't want in, youknow. It's the good boyfriends that
are like, what do you evenlike? Where is my place? I'm
like, no, no, no, you just you're too good a guy.
You're good, You're you know exactly, yes, uh yeah, I
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don't know. I'm I feel like, don't get me wrong. Right now,
I'm very cautious about my time andenergy and where I give it,
and I cannot allow negative things rightnow, like when people are you know,
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the energy sucking, I'm like,uh uh not now. Maybe to
lie I can, I can letthat in, but right now I'm just
like very careful and and you knowthat obviously goes for these assholes and or
maybe never, maybe even not Julyright No has the expression the circle is
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closing, And I love that thecircle is closing. Yeah. Maybe maybe
because of COVID and not having beenaround people for so long, maybe we
don't need to let people in nowthat don't respect our hearts and our souls
and don't really belong in our circle. Because you've got so much art to
make, and you've got all kindsof stuff to do on your social media,
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and you've got this show and you'vegot auditions and you don't need like
to deal with all these this thisnegative minutia on top of it. You
know, no, and I meanI don't. I'm sure you're familiar with
the writer and just thinker in generalByron Katie. Sure, yeah, of
course. But I mean my girlfriendswill whine about, you know, their
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relationships or they're this and then that, and I'm just like again, I
go back to that, like isit true, and they're like, well,
no, but it could be.And I'm like, no, it
hasn't happened yet, like it maynever happen. So you're wasting all this
time and energy and and now minetoo, and this thing isn't even real.
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So when when when the you know, when the ball drops, when
the fality things, when the oneof that we can we can troubleshoot.
But for right now, you're kindof just wasting my time. Yes,
yeah, yeah, which is theirmost important asset, Like that's our greatest
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resource period right Our time and ourenergy are the two most important things.
Yes, for everybody. Never geta track on your life. I mean,
I don't believe in regrets, andI believe everything happens for a reason.
But some as I look back onmy life and if I was to
if I was a regrettter, ifI was a person who believed in regretting,
the only thing I would regret isthe time that I wasted on people
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that didn't appreciate it and didn't deserveit, And we're just there to sort
of suck me dry. I agree, But it goes back to this.
The thesis of this show, likeright, like no longer needing a relationship
for example that requires compromise or notallowing ourselves to do these jobs that are
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beneath us or whatever you're you know, boring out is yes, exactly,
I agree. I am not aperson of regret. I in the moment,
I do what I want at thetime period, and with the information
I have, I make those decisions. Obviously, hindsight twenty twenty there's a
million times when I'm like, oh, man, if only i'd known,
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I would have ditched that loser along time ago. And of course you
know if thats that, but Ididn't know that at the time, So
you know, we can only actin the moment. Yes, that's all
we got. Oh, we've gotthe moment. Yeah, it's true.
Well, I appreciate, with asbusy as you are, that you took
some of your time and energy tospend an hour here with me. I
know, I don't regret the secondof it. It wasn't use my time.
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And you're not going in my book. You're not in the show.
I'm so sorry, but I dohope you'll comment bring the audience. I
would love it. I would absolutelylove it. When it's the show.
How can people see it? Howcan they find you online? Give us
all details? Right now? Iam just on social media, Naomi W.
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Grossman. Maybe you'll find out inthe show what the W stands for.
Like I said, the show isJune first, eight fifteenth, twenty
second. It opening night is soldout, so you can't come to that,
but you can just go to thelink in my bio, which is
American Whorror Story dot com and youknow, get your tickets. Sounds good.
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Thanks so much for being here,my friend. I appreciate everybody,
the wonderful Naomi Grossman, Thank youto you, Thank you to KGIRA Digital
Broadcasting Network. I'm Sheena Medal andyou can find me at sheenametalspiritual dot com
and everywhere on social media at SheenaMetal and until I see you next Friday
at three o'clock Pacific time. Seekpeace, live and love, Lead with
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kindness, embrace unity. Always workto raise your vibration and the vibration of
the everything, and most importantly,remember that you are loved, and you
are loved and you are completely lovedby me. I'm Sheena Madeline the Shina
Medal Experience. We'll see you nextweek. Thank you. K G R. A.
And now I'm coming to you live. It's from the City of Angels,
Los Angeles, California. It's theSheena Metal Experience with your host, Sheena
Metal Only. I'm KGRA Digital Broadcasting. Hi, and welcome to the Sina
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Metal Experience. I'm KGRA Digital BroadcastingNetwork. I'm your host, Shea Metal.
I'm a psychic medium, I'm aninterfaith minister. I'm a twenty eight
year talk radio host in Los Angelesand beyond. I'm a creative and a
performing artist, and I come toyou live from my home in southern California
every Friday at three o'clock Pacific time. This show is about spirituality, it's
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about creativity, it's about humanity,it's about passion. It's about service.
It's about being and then becoming yourbest you in this beautiful becoming and then
being your best you in this big, beautiful world, and then inspiring others
to do the same. And everyweek on the show, it may be
my show, but it's always withouta doubt, your experience. My guest
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today is returning to the show.She was one of the very first guests
when we first moved the show toKGRA, a Digital Broadcasting Network. She
is a wonderfully talented actress and writerwho rose to fame playing Pepper in the
Wonderful American Horror story series. She'salso a very talented theatrical solo performer.
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Has a new show coming up liveon stage. And it's always an honor
to be here with my friend NaomiGrossman. How are you, darling?
Oh hello, you interrupted some ofmy best reading. Oh nice, nice,
Yeah, yeah, it was fillingmyself up up with good juju for
your show. I love that story. That's awesome. Yeah, And I
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don't think we've we've really talked aboutthat, right, I mean, I
know at one point you said,like, we've never talked about spirituality on
your show, and I think we'realways so busy talking about art. For
me, it's hard to separate thetwo because I believe that creativity is a
is a co creation between spirit andme. For you, when you write,
when you create, when you puta character together, where does it
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come from? For you? Mm? I mean I I can answer that
many many ways, but if I'manswering you on your show, yes to
say it comes from spirit, itcomes from the universe, it comes from
you know, it's it's I Ithink it's all connected. You know,
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Like I said, I I willyou mentioned yourself that, uh that I
have this show coming up, andyou know as any time you have like
a big kind of event like that, you're bound to have some anxiety.
And so yeah, I've been likesort of struggling with some you know,
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just stage fright and you know,all that kind of normal stuff. But
so there's nothing like just a gooddose of like goodness to remind me,
wait a minute, like I don't. I may doubt myself, but I
don't. My faith in you know, the universe and and and source and
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whatever you want to call it doesnot waiver one bit. And yet I
am that like I am, Iam made in the image and likeness.
So it's it's all the same thing. So I think it's very easy to
you know, just sort of selfdoubt and self low both, but you
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kind of can't do both, likeI if I stop and go wait a
minute, But I'm source too,you know what I mean? We all
are. Yeah, sure, itall comes. It comes from the same
place. It's interesting because as ayoung actor fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old,
I had horrible anxiety like I hadto talk myself into going to school
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every day because the anxiety was sobad. But when I worked, when
I was on stage, when Igot to the theater, it went away.
Because even at that age, Ibelieved that creating was spiritual, and
I believe that that God would takecare of me. I guess at that
time I called spirit God would takecare of me through the creative process.
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I have a friend who's a verywell known rock star, and she always
says that when she's in front ofthe microphone, it's great. When her
life gets fucked up is when themicrophones turned off, and I think for
me it was kind of that waytoo. So many people I knew struggled
with stage fright and worry they weren'tgood enough as performers. And I was
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so thankful that I never did.All of my anxiety came in my real
life. And I'm so stupid becauseif I had just thought about it,
like you said, I would haverealized that Spirit was taking care of me
during those times too. But that'sa hard time for me. I mean,
that was the time. Have youhave you do you always have those
kinds of doubts as a performer becauseyou strike me as somebody who's just like,
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oh, but like you're like thegirl of performing. No, I
know, and people say that aboutme, They're like, wait, really
you And it's new, it's anew thing. I haven't I didn't.
Yeah, And I don't know ifit's I think it's just the fact that
I haven't done this in a while, Like I'm a little rusty, you
know. I mean I did myfirst solo show twenty years ago, and
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and you know, at the time, no one was watching like I was.
I mean, I had a nicefull house at all, but uh,
you know, no one had anyexpectations of me, and and then
any and even then so they wereso surprised that this this girl who's you
know, the Red Bull girl orthe waitress or the you know whatever my
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odd odd job du jour was wasactually had any kind of talent was like
a bonus, you know. Andthat and besides, I was putting myself
out there on a very regular basis, you know, just creating. I
was, I was doing the Groundlings, I was in the Sunday Company,
and so like on a very regularbasis, I was working that muscle of
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being on stage, improvising, puttinga whole new material up every day,
every single weekend, and it wasso I was I you know, I
think I've I don't want to sayafropeed, but you know that that was
my life then. And even evenas recently as my last solo show,
which was ten still twelve years ago, you know, I was just I
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was in a kind of a differentplace at this point, you know,
since with the pandemic, like Ithink we all kind of got a little
flabby as far as you know,uh performance goes, and you know,
and even then my my auditions they'reall virtual. So you know, I
haven't had a bad audition in weeksor I mean years, rather just because
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if I don't like the way itgoes, I take do it take two?
You know what I mean. SoI'm not I'm not used to being
on in the same way. Andbesides, this is totally this is just
unprecedented, Like I haven't done thisshow yet. The others I do feel
are kind of tried and true.Don't get me wrong, I am confident.
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I know this show is going tobe I'm so excited about it.
I mean, I think it's betterthan the first two combined. So I'm
not really worried about it. It'sjust like I said, it's something new,
something different. I always got here, what's doing different? I think
we all you know. I dida play for the first time in November
with an original piece that I wrote, a monologue's play, and I was
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fine with the creative process, butI was surprised at I was not used
to sitting in traffic. You know, I've been living down here at the
beach, in the house I grewup in, and driving to Century City
in West Hollywood every day in rushhour traffic. I was like, oh,
I'm not used to this many peopleand this much traffic. And when
I really felt it was I wentto a Christmas party at one of my
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favorite gays homes, so there waslike, you know, I always say,
there's always like one hundred gay guysand me and Margaret show there.
And I went early so it wouldn'tbe busy, but it was already busy
early, and by the time I'dbeen there an hour, it was so
packed you couldn't move around, andit made me a little uncomfortable. I
was like, oh my god,this is a lot of people. We're
not people are a muscle too,right, peopling is a muscle, and
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we're not We're not used to likethat many people anymore. And I did
a par con last month and thesame thing. I was like, Wow,
I got to I got to reequate myself with what it's like to
be around that many people, becauseat least when you're on stage, there's
that separation between the audience and you, But just in everyday life, to
be around people, it's all comingback, and so it doesn't surprise me
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if this all feels very new.And also the expectation, right, I
mean, I've read articles with peoplethat have talked about you know why it
is that that famous people have problemsand they because everybody always says like,
wasn't it famous? I won't tohave any more problems. But I read
articles and think it wasn't Ben Afflecksaying that, No, it's worse because
the more people know you, themore expectation there is on you, and
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the more you worried you're going tolose what you have if the next thing
isn't good. So I totally getthat. That being said, I don't
worry this much about you because Iknow how magic you are. But I
get that you do think like thisis kind of your coming out party on
stage. Yes, And I said, I now there's people are looking now,
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paying attention and and so yeah,I agree with Ben and you and
everything. Yeah, yeah, it'sit's interesting. So what do you do
spiritually to sort of get yourself inthat zen place before you have to step
on a stage and do a showwhere it's literally just you, right,
(10:31):
everybody's looking at you. You can'tyou can't go and now drummer, take
a solo and leave the stage.Right. Oh, I mean yoga is
a huge part of my I thinkthat's just to keep me from being a
complete maniac on a Yeah, that'snot just performer, that's just to be
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a human. Uh but yeah,I mean I'm like a completely different person.
And when I get out of yogaclass, it's like, you know,
I'm like angry and irritated and irritable, and you know, and then
all of a sudden, you know, once I've done that, I'm like,
oh, it's like mister Jackyl andyou know, mister whatever, doctor
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Jackyll may still hide and all ofa sudden, I'm like, oh,
now I'm ready for my close upI'm ready for people to be among a
society now. So there's that's athat's a muss for me. Like I
said, there is a certain amountof just sort of hyping ones up,
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one up, whether it's like Isaid, I love this book, you
are a badass, or you know, even just like contemplation and even prayer,
you know, I mean, Ithink just being quiet with your your
thoughts. I think being quiet withyour script, quiet with your notes,
you know, read, rereading,you know everything. The director said,
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I mean, I'm I'm I don'tthink I'm as such a great actress as
I am an amazing I'm very pliableas far as director. So I'm just
like and as long as you willshape me, I will do whatever you
say. I'm very good at takingdirection. So you know, like I
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said, just kind of putting thatall, getting that all in your brain
right before you go on, becauseI mean right now. And I don't
know if this is a COVID thingtoo, but I just don't have the
bandwidth for everything. So I'll seepeople now that I'm like, do we
know each other? They're like,yes, we're best friends, and I'm
like, I'm sorry, Like literally, I don't have the space in my
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brain for all the all the people, all the places, all the things,
all the everything. So you know, at this point, I do
feel like if you shake me,like all the dialogue, all that everything
will come out. So I'm tryingto be very careful about like not moving
too fast. And you know,there's only so much I can download at
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a time, and my hard driveis maxed out right now. Yeah,
and that's okay, that's I mean, I just got to keep it in
there till you know, through theend of June. Absolutely. What is
it like to work with a director, because you have a director right yep,
on a project that you wrote yourselfabout you? Is that is that
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kind of a little bit of amind trip? Sometimes? I don't think
so. I mean, I thinkit is a little bit therapeutic, you
know. I mean, there,let's face it, there's a lot of
kind of like introspection and like,hmmm, what a funny thing I did?
And like why why was that?You know, like it's almost like
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therapy where you're kind of like insteadof talking talking it out, you're writing
it out and then and and carvingthose jokes and and and moments. So
no, I mean, I agree, it's probably not for everyone. It's
it happens to be my sort ofmedium of choice. Does that make me
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an ego maniac? Maybe? Ihope not. I just think I think
that I'm very self aware and thereforereally good at identifying like that's hilarious or
that's weird, or that's story worthy, you know, Like I do think
like there's oftentimes like I'll be ona road and I could go right and
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like live happily ever after, orI could go left and have like a
great story for cocktail parties, andI will always go left. I can't
help it, Like, and Iknow I can see like left might mean
like jail time. It might Imean, it could be man even not
that I've ever been to jail,but I've gotten lucky. There's totally things
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that like but I can't help.But I want to know how it ends,
you know. And so I'm alittle bit my own like Barbara Krueger,
you know what I mean, LikeI kind of put myself into positions
just to see where it goes,and like I said, it invariably becomes
material at the end of the day. So I think I'm really great at
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laughing at myself and that's important.You know. So in a situation like
that where it is a kind ofalmost therapy that then becomes your art for
others to learn from, does thedirector sort of be like is the director
sort of like the therapist, Likehe's sort of guiding you through your own
story in a way. Yeah,I think for a while I thought this
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was. Yeah. I think hedefinitely without ever you know, putting pen
to paper. I think he definitelyhelped the drama turgy in that. For
a while, I thought the horrorof American the horror story was promiscuous,
and he's like, oh no,no, there's there was one slutty story
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that got we We actually zilched it. The horror in this show is a
hustler, someone who's a woman who'swilling to horror out do what she's got
to do to get what she wants. And I mean, let's face it,
American hustler story doesn't have quite thesame ring, especially you know,
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affiliate of the show. So youknow, but like if you look up
horror in the dictionary, you'll findit's not just a you know, a
lady. There's all kinds of horrorsand and and let's face it, I
already did that horror. That's uh, that's carnival knowledge, which which is
you know, twelve years ago.This is a whole new, whole new
Naomi whole new show. Yeah,it's funny. I always I never it
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always. I always thought it wasa whore in the non literal sense when
I when I saw it. ButI think everybody in their lives, right,
especially now that we live in thistechnological age of social media, you
kind of have to learn to dothat. You gotta learn to hohore yourself
out or you're gonna be the treethat falls in the forest and no one
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hears, oh yeah, so comingwell, And it's not you know,
it's not a like a bad wordlike I mean, it is kind of
depends, but like if you lookup, I mean, if you just
listen to like two seconds of rapmusic, they're saying like, I'm a
hustler, Like you know, I'mYeah, that's that's their thing, you
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know what I mean, Like everyone'sout there grinding, they're all getting her
done, and I'm no different,you know, So so I think and
even then now I think about it, didn't Beyonce do that one song I
think it's called Diva where she's like, uh, you know, a diva
is just a It's just a it'sjust a hustler. A diva is just
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a whole or something like that,where it's like, it's not a bad
word, it's called a woman.Who is you know, making it happen
whatever it takes. Exactly. That'sthe thing. I mean, if you
look at it from a spiritual perspective, you're an artist and different opportunities have
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been presented to you. What areyou going to do with them? I
mean you discod and there are peopleright there are people who would do a
role on the show like American HorrorStory, not have any social media,
interact with no one, not goto para conferences, not not do anything,
and uh you know, float offinto obscurity and then get mad because
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they had to become an insurance salesmanthe next year. What are you going
to do with the opportunities that you'regiven? And for me channeling messages with
spirit all the time, I getthose messages constantly, not just for my
clients before myself, what are youdoing to move yourself forward so then you
can help more people? Because themore, the more you can quote unquote
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pore yourself out, Naomi, themore that can lead to bigger and more
artistic opportunities for me. The moreyou can move people the way that little
Pepper, who appeared on a handfulof episodes, has moved millions of people
all over the world. So manypeople send you art, they send you
presents. They love her. Shemakes them feel good in their bellies.
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I love her. I feel thesame way before I loved you, I
loved her. And so the moreopportunities you get like that, the more
people that you can bring that joyto. There's nothing wrong with that.
In the energy of the universe,that's what we're all supposed to be doing.
What are you doing with the giyou were given? What to me
would be a crime would be whatwould be a dirty word is if you
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took all this talent that Sparay gaveyou and did nothing with because then nobody
would see how beautiful you are andhow much you have to give, and
then what's the purpose of it all. It's a wasted gift. Thank you,
And it goes back to my youknow, turning left, like yeah,
these stories turning left would be wastedon like a dentist or you know,
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data entry person. You know whatI mean exactly like I am,
this is what I was. I'mhere to do. I believe that this
is you know, and that mightsound again kind of ego maniacole, but
there's a lot of things I'm reallynot good at. Yeah, I've I
really tried to have be an actress, but it's all I wanted and and
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and there was really never any planB. And I do believe that this
is. Yeah. I think Pepperespecially kind of made me realize, like,
wow, I am, I'm actuallytouching people like my art is inspiring
their art. You know they areyou know this, this profession isn't just
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a self serving me me me.I want my face on the side of
the buses. I have to becareful about saying that, because whenever I
do, I'm worried one day I'mgoing to be like hit by a bus
and I'm gonna be like, wow, I put it out there. I
said what I wanted. So no, I want to be on the billboard
on a bus. Okay, you'relistening, No, but I do.
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I I think that, like Isaid, this would be wasted on someone
that's not a like this. WhenI say when I say this would be
wasted, I just mean all likemy storytelling my the the racontourism would be
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What am I gonna do with that? If I'm a realtor? I don't
know right right, Well, Iguess I guess, so yes, the
story I guess. Friends, youknow what I mean. I always feel
like I would have had my senseof humor to water what I've been in
life, but this way just morepeople get to be exposed to it.
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But you know, my mom usedto have this this thing that she would
say all the time, which Ithought was so beautiful, that crazy things
happen to people in life, certainpeople because some of us it just seems
like we have so many stories,right, so that we can then help
to teach and heal other people.So when people go to see your show,
they will identify within themselves things thathave happened to you, and because
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you're making it funny and fun andheartfelt, it will maybe change the way
they feel about even some things thatare kind of traumatic to them. Because
it's all about how you look ata traumatic thing, right, If you
can either or what is this expression? You either get bitter or you get
better. Right, So if youget better from it and you turn around
and say, hey, you knowwhat, this situation happened in my life
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and oh my god, then otherpeople will say, well, wait a
minute, that's happened to me too. I see it happen on my live
broadcast. All the time I'm tellinga story about something and people are just
popping up saying, oh my god, me too, this happened to me
too. And then you're healing people, right, because sometimes you just need
to know you're not the only onethat happened to yeah, And I think
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that's a lot of what telling yourown story is about. It's about how
are you affecting other people by showingthem. Look. You may think like
I live in la and I'm onthis TV show this kind of life,
But the truth is, you know, I've meant all these same assholes and
I have all the same stories.Oh yeah, I think, Yeah,
this story in particular is in reallyrelatable. And don't get me wrong,
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there's plenty of hs in there too, So tirtle people stands are going to
get their fix and so you know, I say that, and yet I
realized, like, you know,I got to number one on IMDb,
like Lady Gota kissed me. Youknow, there's things that other people are
gonna be like, Okay, Ican't relate, but I swear like there
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are entire monologues of this where I'mlike, I can just I can just
imagine my girlfriend's going, yah,queen, you know what I mean?
Like because each because we've all beenthere, We've all like, we've all
done a job that was like beneathus or you know, wasn't worth it,
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or you know, sold out oror or gave of ourselves to a
relationship that wasn't serving us. Imean, we've all horn out between you
know, well maybe not everybody,Like I'm trying to think of everybody at
some point. I think everybody hasdealt with an oppressive boss when they know
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they should have walked dated a loserthat should have been for like two weeks
but it was ten years. Yeah, you know what put up with an
annoying sibling that you should have toldwhere to go years ago. I mean
I think we all, uh sortof. I always talk about it spiritually
as it's kind of like the zombieapocalypse, the vampires right bite the non
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vampires drain their energy and turn theminto zombies, and all of us kind
of wander around stunned by all thejerks that have done things to us,
and it's we need to all bandtogether and heal and tell the stories because
if we don't, then the zombieapocalypse is gonna get worse, right,
Yeah, or at least like recognizelike, wait a minute, that zombie
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bit me before, like me,you know, but no, I'm not
gonna We're not doing this. Thiszombie looks just like that zombie. Yeah,
because that's I mean, again,I'm not trying to spoil the show,
but there's definitely moments where I'm like, wait a minute, this is
the same thing, like why doI keep doing this? And yeah,
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so yeah, it's some I reallyI agree, I think, you know,
and even Pepper is someone that,like, you know, not most
of us have about a larger brainand don't live in a you know,
orphanage slash asylum. You know,we you know, like there's a lot
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of her that like it's hard,but and yet there's so much of her
that is heart that we we dorelate to. So many I mean,
I can't tell you how many justmarginalized fans I've met who were just like,
oh my god, I I'm Pepper. Like I I don't have a
I don't feel like I have ahome. I don't feel like I have
a place in the world. Idon't feel I don't feel understood, I
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don't feel I feel bullied or putupon and and so well. I think
giving stories and presenting characters that peoplecan relate to is kind of the secret
sauce. I don't know, Yeah, yeah, I do, yeah,
And I think it's so important.And you know, there was a time
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when we were young people, rightthat they they told you, like,
if you're an actor, you haveto be a blank canvas. Don't talk
about yourself. No one wants tohear about your politics, or your spirituality,
or what you think or what you'vebeen through. Now I open up,
like you know, Google in themorning, and it starts sending me
all these stories about you know,this is how Jeremy Renner is healing.
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Yesterday it was George Clooney talks aboutwhen his back got broke on the set
of Siriana. I mean, everybodynow is talking about their life experiences,
and you know what, people needit because if people love you on a
show and they want to learn aboutyou, they need to learn that there's
stories in there for them. It'skind of our higher human purpose, right
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that along with the art comes ourhumanitarian service, and part of that is
just telling your story, just tellingpeople who you are and where you come
from, so that other people canthink, Wow, maybe I can actually
be as happy in my life ordo things with my life. And I've
been through all those same sort ofthings. Yeah, you know, yeah,
I mean I definitely object to thatnotion that you know, actors should
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just act, don't show up exactly. We don't want to hear about your
politics. It's like, right,yeah, well, like why why is
Joe the Plumber about to allowed totalk about his politics exactly? What about
makes him like allowed to talk?And I can't, Like, I think
maybe people object to the fact thatwe usually have a bigger mouthpiece than the
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others, but more yeah, Imean, I think we're all members of
society and and bound to have ourown opinion and if you want to share
it, then that's for you todo. And don't you know, I
look at the kids now, lookat the like kids that are like eighteen
you know nineteen sixteen that are actorsnow I'm musicians. I mean, you
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know about all their stuff. Theyall have foundations, they all have a
charity that they started. They alltalk about all the things they believe in.
They get involved in everything. Ifyou tried to tell those kids,
oh, you can't talk about anythingexcept acting, they just would refuse to.
And I think that's such a goodthing that I want to know what
actors think. If I think somebodyhas talent in any form of art,
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I want to know where that comesfrom and what they think and why they
did it and how they feel aboutit. And I think it's super important.
I mean, just you write playingPepper, a non Microsoft My program
director and I were talking about thisright before when you were getting up online
and a non microsophalic actor playing amicrosophlic character. You have a lot to
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say in that discussion about this wholething that's going on right now about differently
abled actors working and what should actorsbe able to play things they're not.
You didn't ask to be thrown intothat discussion, but you just got thrown
into that discussion. So your opinionand what you think matters because there aren't
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a lot of actors that have beenin your shoes to such an extreme.
It's wonderful that we now, Ithink, get to tell people how we
really really fail about things. Becauseart influences the world, so why shouldn't
the artists be able to as well? Right Well, and obviously I'm biased
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because it worked out for me,But I really think by by reducing actors
down to just play themselves, likeI'm not I'm not a reality star.
I'm not trying to be myself here. The whole point is I want to
be someone else. And that's someoneelse, you know, may not look
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like me, or sound like me, or walk like me, or talk
like me or any of that.Like in fact, ideally she doesn't.
Maybe he doesn't, you know whatI mean. Like, I think that's
okay, Like that's the whole That'swhy I got into this, because they
didn't want to be me. That'sa whole other discussion for a therapist,
m But you know, I reallydo, like I I think that's one
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of the things that I loved aboutPepper is that she was like as far
from me as possible, Like Igot to change myself in almost every way
I mean, she's still Caucasian.But like, other than that, we
really you know, and I'm nota horrible person. There is that,
but other than that, we don'treally have a ton in common. Unfortunately
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a horrible person in the end.No, that's what I mean. I'm
not and she's not either, Sowe have that in common. Oh is
that in common? Yes? Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'll tell you
athing story that happened to me.I don't know if I've ever told you
this, but it was right aboutthe time that right about the time that
the season of American Heart Story youwere on came out, so maybe a
little bit after season two came out. I was in a Walmart looking for
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sheets because I'm a classy broad,and I turned the corner. Oh,
here comes the cat. Sorry,the cat likes to participate. I turned
the corner and there was a wholegroup of microsophalic folks. Somebody was leading
them, and they were walking inthe group, and they were all holding
hands, and there was a bunchof younger late twenties, early something people
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standing across from them looking at them, and one of them said, like
pepper, and then they all smiledand went, oh my god, they're
so cute. And I thought,now here's a situation where there might have
been a time where the reaction tothem might not have been so I'm crying,
might not have been so positive.But because people knew Pepper, then
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suddenly it was like, oh mygod, they're so cool, they're so
special. That's sweet. I mean, isn't that what a wonderful thing?
If we're seeing stuff sometimes on film, in television, in books, then
we feel differently about it. Itbecomes familiar. And so what your performance
of Pepper did, Naomi? Isit like it made microsophaalic folks? It
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endeared them to the world. Yeah, and there isn't that wonderful? So
in that ward aisle you might notsee there it's you know, it was.
It's nineteen thirty three, Todd Browning'smovie. The last time we were
saw a microsoft. Yes, theymight have been harassed or made fun of
or laughed at. Yes, thatthey were thought to be the cutest thing
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in the world. So isn't thatwonderful? Because it just takes one thing
sometimes to change someone's perspective from ohmy god, what is that? To
oh my god, there's a whatis that it's so cute, and those
folks they didn't hear, and theydidn't notice, they were on their own
trip. But still it kind ofwarmed my heart because I have been in
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situations where sometimes even friends of minewho are different label in some way have
been in a room and the reactionhas not been like that, and it's
been very painful and very hurtful andvery scarring. So sometimes it just takes
I mean, look at what Gleedid for folks with down syndrome, mean
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an American horror story right with Jamiein season one and in season three again
as the psychic Witch, and Jamie'sa dear friend and I love her so
much, Jamie Brewer. Isn't itwonderful? You just have to see a
different face, And even for usNaomi, as women, sometimes you just
have to see a woman in acharacter to go, oh, yeah,
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I totally get how that character couldbe played by a woman. And that's
how we're changing the world, rightright, Yeah. I mean, like
I said, having come from improv, I don't see why I couldn't play
some mitochondria, Like why not?I can do anything like that's absolutelydria.
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She said she didn't want to beherself, so she's just bizarre, biologically
engaging and out there roles. Comeand see her in this? Yeah yeah,
right, no, so uh yeah, I don't. I don't know.
I'm definitely one of those when someonesays jump, I say how high?
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Like, but I when I getan audition, I'm always just like,
does she have to be forty eight? Does she have to be female?
White? Did she have? Like? Can I could I make her
a four hundred year old claw handfrom written in the nineteen sixty Yes?
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Yet, but yet still be theangree now, yes, yeah, exactly
right, Yeah, no, Iagree one hundred percent. Yeah. I
think that's that's why I got intoacting. I never wanted to play anything
where anybody recognized me, because Ithought it was wonderful to immerse yourself in
the life and the story of someoneelse. It's kind of amazed me now
that most of my life as anactor and a radio host and now as
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a spiritual teacher, I mean allof it, I just basically look like
me. That's the biggest shock ofmy life. I never thought anybody would
see my face or even know whatI look like. So, but yeah,
going going deep character like that iswhy we do it. We don't
always get to do it, butit's absolutely why we do it. But
so that must make it even moresort of raw when you're doing the show,
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a solo performance where you are beingyourself talking about yourself. I mean,
that's the commit unveiling spiritually and emotionally, right and creatively. It's true,
now that I think about it,I've really never thought about this,
but here I am always wanting tolike cover myself in prospect rigs and and
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and and costumes and be someone else, you know, take a claw hand
or or put on a shave myhead. And yet this is something where
I'm like, yeah, I ammyself, Like I am totally naked metaphorically
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and and and it's very vulnerable.I'm it's it's definitely like the most grounded
work I've ever done. And andthe reason for it is that it's my
story. Like no one can tellthis like me, and I was there.
So when I'm telling the stories,it's I can literally remember what was
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happening at the time, take yourselfto that place, and tell it as
seamlessly and naturally and organically and groundedas if we were at a cocktail party,
and I was telling you about youknow what happened back in the day,
You know what I mean. Yeah, So it is right. It
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is some of my most like grounded, kind of real work ever. And
it is kind of a decision,right, you make a conscious decision to
put your life out there and livein the isness. When I first started
in radio almost twenty nine years ago, it'll be this summer. I came
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from a very private Irish family whereyou didn't tell people your business. And
I said, Okay, I'm gonnado this radio thing, this talk radio
thing. I'm never going to talkabout my own life. I'm going to
talk about my opinions on things,never my own life. Well, you
know that lasts about three and ahalf days that you run out of things
to talk about, right, Andso you have to make a decision.
Am I gonna lie? Am Igoing to withhold? Or am I just
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going to sort of live in theeverything and be honest about who I am
and what's happened to me? AndI made that decision to be honest and
to live in the everything. It'snot a place for everyone to live.
It certainly has been a wonderful placefor me to live. I wouldn't do
it any other way. Sometimes Iwonder what it's like to be able to
be a person that has secrets andno one knows anything about them. But
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I wouldn't change it for the world. But it is definitely it's like taking
a plunge, right you take that. It's like going to a naked beach
for the first time. You think, well, am I gonna be the
one that still has my clothes on? Or am I just gotta take my
clothes off and do it? Andonce they're off, people have seen it.
You can't pretend they haven't. AndI think it's kind of what you
shared your life, right People thenknow and you come right out and say,
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this is actually from my real life. It's yeah, very brave,
I think. But it is adecision to live with that, right Yeah,
And just but like you said,I don't feel like I have a
choice, like this is who Iam. I am an open book.
There's I've I've had a few secretsin my life and I'm telling them on
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stage. There's gonna be some thingsthat people are gonna be like, oh
snap, I had no idea.So I'm excited they've been invited. I
hope when when I tell people,you know, you need to be there,
this thing is in it, likeI hope they understand like that's code
for it's just like it's all yeah, but you know yeah, like I
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said, I was just born thisway, like I have always been sort
of that, you know, holdingcourt at the cocktail party telling stories.
It's just way more efficient to doit on a stage with with a bigger
audience. Like it's wasted at acocktail party. That's absolutely Now that's a
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good question to ask now because nowI'm curious, how do you hand those
stories about real things? I mean, do you altern just enough to protect
the guilty or not at all?Because they haven't. They haven't protected me,
so you know, Gotra No,I can tell you there is one
lie in the show, and I'lltell you it right now, because I
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do say every word of this horrorstory is true, and yet that's actually
not true. Uh. The lieis that I don't go to gloryholes.
There's a lie. There's a linewhere I say, you know, and
I never saw him ever again,But then I don't go to gloryholes.
I had an ex who was featingon me, with like all of us
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Hollywood, so you know we've allhad bad course, of course, I
hope it's not the same one.Maybe we're Eskimo's sisters and don't know it.
But anyway, but the point isI have been to gloryhole, glory
whole, and so even that isnot true. Like literally everything is true
in the story. Now to yourpoint though, to your question, I
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have erased the names on text messages, I have blacked out eyes that would
you know, get me sued.So no, there won't be any litigations
following the show. My mom wrotea very telling, tell all smut novel,
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if I may say so. Shewouldn't call it that, she would
just call it her memoir. Buthaving read it and the whole entire last
third is just fifty shades of graypubes, I can tell you at least
the last third is a smut novel. And if it's your mom, it's
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it's even worse. It's like,oh, you're anyway, The point is
she used my name in her book, and so yes, I will be
I'm going to be crediting her inthis show. We read from her her
book in the show, and Imean, don't get me wrong. If
she didn't want that done, sheshouldn't have written those things. Like sure
(43:15):
she published it, like I thinkshe owns it. And actually, like
I said, this is apparently whatwe do. You know what I mean,
we I can't throw stones, youknow, this is what you know?
She I share my stories. Thisis my third you know in the
(43:35):
trilogy. She apparently shares hers too, like mother like daughter. You know.
So I can't be mad at herfor doing it because I'm doing the
same thing. Yeah, I thinkit's I think it's great. I think
it is good, though not justfor Lidy Gamor's purposes, although nobody wants
to be sued, but to actuallycover up names and cover up faces.
(43:57):
Because from a spiritual perspective, Ibelieve that when people have been negative,
why celebrate their negativity? Why givethem? Why give them the attention of
people knowing it's them, because itgives them a little bit of negative fame?
And narcissistic people they don't care iftheir fame is negative or positive.
(44:19):
They just want attention, So whygive it to them? Why not let
them watch and go, oh that'sme, but nobody knows. So I'm
dealing with all the embarrassment, andI'm getting none of the attention. I
mean to me, that's that's howyou really great. You make a great
point. And unfortunately the show isless than three weeks away, so I
(44:42):
do not have time to strike allmy exes from the show. I said
that you're not showing names and you'renot showing showing faces. Well yeah,
eyeballs, that's okay. That's enoughso that people know who it is,
and you know who it is,and they know who it is. But
but they're not getting the attention ofsomebody googling the masterwords, right, because
(45:05):
that's what they're looking for. They'relooking for that attack. I know,
because I too, am about towrite a book about basically about what I've
learned from encounters with people who werenot terrific in many aspects of my life.
For a long time, I've beenworking on a book about my mother's
life called Lessons from the Ashes,and it's about the things. It starts
(45:29):
the day I went to pick upher ashes, and it's about what I
learned from her when she was aliveand after her death. And the other
day I was thinking about it,and I was thinking about some things that
have gone on with people and Igot to download from spirit was was why
don't you write a book called Lessonsfrom the Assholes? And I was like,
oh shit, because for a longtime I had said, you know,
at some point you got to writea book to help people say these
(45:52):
are the kind of situations that youwant to stay out of. So I've
been thinking about that for the lastcouple of days. So it's really weird
that you would bring this up abouthow am I going to deal with them
knowing it's them? And then Ithought, you know what, if they
know it's them, that's not myproblem. I just don't want the world
to know it's them. So Ithink what you're doing is so smart because
there are people who probably would justput the names in there and not care
(46:13):
because this way, only they knowit's them. I mean obviously your friends
know, but the regular world doesn'tknow, so they get nothing from it.
And I think that's so awesome.Go you yeah, oh, thank
you. Yeah. I mean,like I said, you really have to
screw up to get in my show, you know, right, me too,
(46:36):
because you're gonna have to really havescrewed up. Yes, yeah,
So you know, being being inthe show is not a badge of honor,
like you don't want in, youknow. It's the good boyfriends that
are like, what do you evenlike? Where is my place? I'm
like, no, no, no, you just you're too good a guy.
You're good, You're you know exactly, yes, uh yeah, I
(47:02):
don't know. I'm I feel like, don't get me wrong. Right now,
I'm very cautious about my time andenergy and where I give it,
and I cannot allow negative things rightnow, like when people are you know,
(47:23):
the energy sucking, I'm like,uh uh not now. Maybe to
lie I can, I can letthat in, but right now I'm just
like very careful and and you knowthat obviously goes for these assholes and or
maybe never, maybe even not Julyright No has the expression the circle is
(47:47):
closing, And I love that thecircle is closing. Yeah. Maybe maybe
because of COVID and not having beenaround people for so long, maybe we
don't need to let people in nowthat don't respect our hearts and our souls
and don't really belong in our circle. Because you've got so much art to
make, and you've got all kindsof stuff to do on your social media,
(48:09):
and you've got this show and you'vegot auditions and you don't need like
to deal with all these this thisnegative minutia on top of it. You
know, no, and I meanI don't. I'm sure you're familiar with
the writer and just thinker in generalByron Katie. Sure, yeah, of
course. But I mean my girlfriendswill whine about, you know, their
(48:32):
relationships or they're this and then that, and I'm just like again, I
go back to that, like isit true, and they're like, well,
no, but it could be.And I'm like, no, it
hasn't happened yet, like it maynever happen. So you're wasting all this
time and energy and and now minetoo, and this thing isn't even real.
(48:52):
So when when when the you know, when the ball drops, when
the fality things, when the oneof that we can we can troubleshoot.
But for right now, you're kindof just wasting my time. Yes,
yeah, yeah, which is theirmost important asset, Like that's our greatest
(49:14):
resource period right Our time and ourenergy are the two most important things.
Yes, for everybody. Never geta track on your life. I mean,
I don't believe in regrets, andI believe everything happens for a reason.
But some as I look back onmy life and if I was to
if I was a regrettter, ifI was a person who believed in regretting,
the only thing I would regret isthe time that I wasted on people
(49:36):
that didn't appreciate it and didn't deserveit, And we're just there to sort
of suck me dry. I agree, But it goes back to this.
The thesis of this show, likeright, like no longer needing a relationship
for example that requires compromise or notallowing ourselves to do these jobs that are
(49:57):
beneath us or whatever you're you know, boring out is yes, exactly,
I agree. I am not aperson of regret. I in the moment,
I do what I want at thetime period, and with the information
I have, I make those decisions. Obviously, hindsight twenty twenty there's a
million times when I'm like, oh, man, if only i'd known,
(50:20):
I would have ditched that loser along time ago. And of course you
know if thats that, but Ididn't know that at the time, So
you know, we can only actin the moment. Yes, that's all
we got. Oh, we've gotthe moment. Yeah, it's true.
Well, I appreciate, with asbusy as you are, that you took
some of your time and energy tospend an hour here with me. I
know, I don't regret the secondof it. It wasn't use my time.
(50:44):
And you're not going in my book. You're not in the show.
I'm so sorry, but I dohope you'll comment bring the audience. I
would love it. I would absolutelylove it. When it's the show.
How can people see it? Howcan they find you online? Give us
all details? Right now? Iam just on social media, Naomi W.
(51:05):
Grossman. Maybe you'll find out inthe show what the W stands for.
Like I said, the show isJune first, eight fifteenth, twenty
second. It opening night is soldout, so you can't come to that,
but you can just go to thelink in my bio, which is
American Whorror Story dot com and youknow, get your tickets. Sounds good.
(51:30):
Thanks so much for being here,my friend. I appreciate everybody,
the wonderful Naomi Grossman, Thank youto you, Thank you to KGIRA Digital
Broadcasting Network. I'm Sheena Medal andyou can find me at sheenametalspiritual dot com
and everywhere on social media at SheenaMetal and until I see you next Friday
at three o'clock Pacific time. Seekpeace, live and love, Lead with
(51:52):
kindness, embrace unity. Always workto raise your vibration and the vibration of
the everything, and most importantly,remember that you are loved, and you
are loved and you are completely lovedby me. I'm Sheena Madeline the Shina
Medal Experience. We'll see you nextweek. Thank you. K G R. A.
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