Grambling Rewind, B1G Results, and Ohio Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Pa and everybody at this time once again for the
Silver Bullets podcast.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
I'm Michael Citrow, non chip Minnick Chip.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
The Buckeyes had no trouble with Grambling on Saturday, is you?
And I surmised they wouldn't have too much trouble coming
off that Texas win. Texas was I wouldn't say they struggled,
but they didn't think Texas was as convincing this week
as I thought they'd be.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
So good to see that.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
Ohio State did the things that Ohio State should do
to Grambling for the most part in a seventy to
nothing victory.

Speaker 3 (00:53):
Yeah, I mean it was. It was pretty much like
you said, what we expected. I apologize for the condescending
way this is going to sound, but you know, Michael,
how much I love the Ohio State spring game. I
looked at this as like, this is a stuff above
the Ohio State spring game. That's not to belittle the

(01:14):
coaches and players on the on the on Grambling, but
this was an opportunity for Ohio State to play a
lot of the reserves and we saw that in the
second half. And you know, if anything, I would say
that you know, by and large, you know the fact
that Ohio State came out of it with no injuries. Uh,

(01:35):
you know, and you know, pretty much running some basic
plays that Grambling wasn't able to stop in the second half.
You know that that's kind of what I expected.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Yeah, it's funny you mentioned that, because watching the game,
I was thinking the same thing.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
It looks a lot like the spring game.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It's like, oh, let's see if we could get this
running back of touchdown, and this wide receiver a touchdown
and this tight end to catch all these things you
mentioned the plays they couldn't stop. It was I don't
know how many times they ran that same.

Speaker 2 (02:06):
Counter run, but it was a lot.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
And you're not going to see it week in and
week out this many times.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
And even if you if you.

Speaker 1 (02:15):
Do see it that many times, even against Ohio University
this week, it's not going to work every time like
it seemed to in this game. But you know, it
was an overmatched opponent. We knew that going in and
our score predictions. We undersold the offense a little bit.
Maybe maybe we undersold the defense a little bit because
the defense also scored in this game. And so we'll

(02:36):
go back to our predictions for this game, and it
appears that I have the wrong thing open. I think
you had fifty six nothing and I had fifty six
to three.

Speaker 3 (02:50):
Correct, that is correct.

Speaker 2 (02:52):
So I got foiled by a missed field goal.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
As soon as you missed that field goal, as I have,
they're going to show them out and the Chip's gonna win. Uh,
you know, the score closest score prediction. And so we
both had fifty six, you had nothing, I had three.
So you win again this week.

Speaker 3 (03:10):
I appreciate that, but yeah, I mean it was it was.
It went back to the fact that, Okay, my I
wrote an article about this for Buckeye Huddle dot Com
that all right, if you're if you're Ryan Day, you
need to get Julians, saying plenty of opportunities. But on
the same token, it's like you have to recognize the

(03:31):
fact that, okay, you're up against an overmatched opponent, you
also need to get Lincoln Keyenolts ops, to a lesser extent,
tav In Saint Clair, and we'll talk about that, but
it's more about let's get backups in, let's make sure
that everyone has game experience, that kind of thing, you know.
So I I really thought they were going to run

(03:54):
the ball more than they did in the first half.
That's just my I that's just I mean, it's not
a critique. It's just more of my perception as to
why I predicted fifty six or nothing.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Yeah, and I also thought they would run more.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
I thought they would get you know, I didn't feel
like against Texas they really established a good, solid offensive
offensive line dominance, and I figured maybe they want to
get those hogs up front some reps and get them
comfortable and get them confident. And instead they also didn't
let really Julian say and do a lot the first week,

(04:30):
So they let Julian say and get comfortmed I guess that's.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Probably a little bit more important in the grand scheme
of things.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
Yeah, I mean, I don't think there was any ill will.
I mean, based on my perception of what I saw
on television between Vicky Joseph, who's Grambling's head coach, and
Ryan Day, like, I don't think there was ever any
idea of I can't believe you're running up the score.
I genuinely, I'm very old school. If you put backups

(04:59):
in and you run the ball and the other team
can't stop it, which is pretty much what Ohio State
in the second half. Was I really don't look at
that as running up the score. I mean, are you
going to tell, you know, Bo Jackson or Isaiah West
or Sam Dixon. Oh, when we put you in between

(05:19):
behind our second and third training offensive linemen comprised of
you know, red shirt sophomores and true freshmen or whatever,
you know, the combination might be. I want you to
go in there and stink up the joint. No, I mean,
you know you want these these kids are gonna play hard,
they want to impress. Bo Jackson especially, I thought he
had some very impressive moments, so you know, you can't

(05:42):
really get upset, like, if anything, I kind of looked
at it, It's like, all right, some of it was just
fortuitous for Ohio State in the sense of capitalizing on
grambling mistakes like Riley Pettijohn, especially Bo Jackson playing you know,
very impressively. So yeah, I mean it went about the
way I expected.

Speaker 2 (06:03):
Yeah, I same with me.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
And I just felt like maybe the only thing Mickey
Joseph and I haven't heard of him say that.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
He felt like Ohio State ran it up, but there.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Was maybe a one time that Ohio State could have
maybe taken a knee was late in the game, oh yeah,
instead of scoring the last touchdown. But at that point
it's like why not, you know, oh yeah, but seventy
to nothing. We'll go through the We'll not have to
get into, you know, game plans and what worked and
what didn't, because most of it worked.

Speaker 2 (06:34):
The one thing I do want to.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Mention before we go through the touchdowns is that it
sounds stupid to say this when you've shut the other
team out, but I think for Ohio State defensively, I
felt like, if you're going to win a game seventy
to nothing, the defense at times didn't look that impressive
against the run specifically.

Speaker 3 (06:55):
Yeah, if they're I don't want to call it a
warning sign. If there would be something that okay, all right,
here's here's something with Big ten football approaching in the
next few weeks that all right, the run defense that
that's been the concern all off season, so all right,

(07:17):
to your point, Grambling was able to sustain drives, not
all the time, but enough that that would be a concern.
But again, you know, it's like, I think that's why
coaches are being paid exorbitantly, That's why you have game
film that you know, these are the things that you
want to impress upon team, press upon your players, is that, hey,

(07:39):
the level of competition is only going to get that
much better week after week. We can't afford to have
lapses in concentration and effort, especially along the run defense.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
Yeah, and I felt like the what we've seen at
times is that what a coach really likes to do
is to win comfortably but still have some things to
yell at his team about in practice the next week.

Speaker 3 (08:05):
Oh yeah, I mean the I I just mentioned Bo
Jackson a moment ago. I don't want to say it
was one of my favorite moments because it sounds like
I'm I'm taking delight, you know, schadenfreud to uh you
know the definition of you know, finding you know, joy
at the at the misery of others. I you know,

(08:27):
I'm not finding that. But Bo Jackson fumbling a ball
as he was trying to reach out for a touchdown,
and you know the Big Ten Network, you know, Jake, Jake,
but you know saying okay, you know, like the coaches
you know most specifically you know the you know when

(08:48):
they when they zeroed in. You know that Bo Jackson
was taken out and that you know, Sam Dixon was
the guy that scored the ultimate touchdown to make it,
you know, seventy to nothing. Bo Jackson being coached on
the sidelines like, hey, you know, if you fumbel the
ball in a game that's closed like that could be
you know, like a fumble out of the end zone

(09:09):
that's a touchback. Or you know, like what if we know,
like lose possession like those kind of things. That all right,
the coaches were still on them even though we'rop sixty
three to nothing on the verge of seventy to nothing.
That's that's kind of I think, you know, the coaches,
I don't want to say that they were being nitpicky,
but they're they're always going to find something that they

(09:30):
can improve upon.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
Yeah, the camera cup flashing of Ryan Day and he
was scowling with a seventy point lead, and I started laughing.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
It's it's so contrived.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
It's like, you know, I'm just not going to show
any kind of happiness or positivity because you know what message.

Speaker 2 (09:48):
Does that send. I'm still mad.

Speaker 1 (09:49):
We still got to get better. And he said that
after the game, we you know, we got a long
way to go. So it's he's handling it, I think
the right way and I think that his team will respond.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
But let's go through this scoring plays.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
It started early with a steam route from Will Chasmrek
forty seven yard pass from Julian Saying, who had an
amazing day like he was. He was one slow throw
away from an absolutely perfect day. But you get things
started in the first quarter with that touchdown pass. Then
he hit an uncovered Jeremiah Smith for eighty seven yards

(10:25):
for a touchdown. And then the final touchdown of the
first quarter was Carnel Tait making a great catch thirteen
yard pass from Saying, and it was twenty one to
nothing after the first quarter and the ball was not
hitting the ground.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
No. I mean, if you I guess after two weeks,
if there's one thing that you can comfortably say as
an Ohio State fan, Julian Sayan's accuracy is just very
impressive to watch. I realized, you know, we have an
interception to talk about, but you know, buy and large.

(11:01):
You know, he puts the ball on the money and
we were seeing the results of that, like you said,
in the first quarter, and the.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Ball placement just you can't beat it.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
I mean, he's putting the ball where his guy can
get it, the other guy can't, and he doesn't need
them to be as open as they were. But it
was nice to see them getting open. And they will
not be able to get that open against better competition perhaps,
But you know, you don't want to see if you're
an opposition coach, you don't want to see number four
with no one within twenty yards of him down the field.

Speaker 3 (11:34):
No. I mean as soon as as soon as the
pass was caught, watching it at home, turned my wife, Okay,
touchdown and we're talking, you know, like eighty seven yards.
As you said, I didn't need to see where everyone
else was on the defensive side for Grambling. I knew
that was a touch on right away.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
Yeah, there was never going to be a safety. It
was going to catch him. And when even when Cosmerk
caught his pass, Brandon Innis, you could see him celebrate
right away on them play.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:07):
In the second quarter, the Buckeyes threw two more touchdowns
on the board, Jeremiah Smith the nine yard pass from
Saying and then in the final minute CJ. Donaldson with
a two yard run. And it was thirty five nothing
at the half and the.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Game was over.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
But you know, at this point you're thinking, well, you've
got all these backups, they're going to get time. That's
going to be exciting. Let's see what Lincoln Keenholes can
do throwing the football. Let's see some of these backups
get in. I'm excited about Milon Graham and we didn't
see a ton of him, but he made plays and.

Speaker 2 (12:39):
Everybody made plays.

Speaker 1 (12:40):
And one of the most exciting players on the field
in the second half was Riley Pettijohn, who opened scoring
in the third quarter with a twenty three yard funnel
recovery for a touchdown. He was all over the field,
also forced to fumble in the second half.

Speaker 3 (12:53):
So, Michael, you know exactly where I'm going with this.
We always talk about the fact that we're not recruiting guys, okay,
so you know that being said, Riley Pettijohn is one
of these guys that, right, if we were recruiting guys,
everyone would be, you know, jumping up and down like
you see, you know, like all the recruiting hype. That
being said, I turned to my wife and said, all right,

(13:18):
there's a rationale to playing Riley Pettijohn. Not only because
of his recruiting hype. But the reality is is that
he's from Texas. Okay, like you need to you need
to play these guys because in this era of the
media transfers and this and that. I'm not saying he

(13:38):
wasn't worthy of it, because all the things I've seen
and read from Ohio State beat writers and social media
is that Riley Pettijohn had had earned his way climbing
up the depth chart. Is that you need to play
these guys not only for the you know, just for
the game experience. But the reality is like, all right,

(13:59):
if you're not playing, and you know, back in the
old days, like okay, if you would you know, sit
on the sit on the bench, and then if you
would transfer, you'd lose a year. It's like, well no,
it's like these guys can go immediately play. So it's
a good thing for Ohio State to be playing Riley
Pettijohn and his play on the field warranted obviously by

(14:22):
the performance, I mean, like the fact that he capitalized immediately,
and you know, he was all over the field whenever
he was you know, like in the second half, I
mean he was dominant.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Yeah, I could definitely see him getting more snaps. If
he continues to play like that, he will. Bo Jackson
scored on eleven yard run in the third quarter in
Isaiah West scored on a twelve yard run to make
it fifty six nothing after three. The only chance Grambling
had in the first half was they sustained one drive

(14:53):
after the after Ohio State scoring drive that came down
and missed a field goal that was aided by some penalties,
especially a jumping off side by Ederck Houston, who did that.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
A couple of times. And he's you got pulled off
the field after.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Both of them, and he enabled me and my grumpy
old Bucky called him to use the subhead.

Speaker 2 (15:13):
Houston, we have a problem.

Speaker 3 (15:16):
Now, that's outstanding. That's that's good. Yeah, I mean I realize, okay,
you're going to be saying, all right, the coaches are
jumping on this guy or jumping off sides after they
beat a team seventy to nothing. I understand where the
average fan is thinking, like, Okay, these guys are being

(15:38):
over the top. To your point, Houston, we have a problem.
Let's extrapolate down a few weeks. Let's think about, Okay,
when this is against Illinois, when this is, you know,
against Penn State whatever. We okay, Edrick, we can't have
you jumping off sides. We just can't. So this is

(15:59):
this is what they call a teachable, coachable moment, that
being said, all right against Grambling. Yeah it didn't hurt us,
This could hurt us down the road. This is why
you can't do this. This is why we're going to
pull you off the field. And if he wants to
sulk and simmer and get you know, salty about it, fine,

(16:21):
just don't let it happen when in a crucial moment,
because that's exactly why we're pulling you off the field. Now.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, if you can get pulled off side by Grambling's
hard count on a fourth down and short in a
quiet Ohio stadium, what's going to happen when you're trying
to stop Washington's running back on a fourth and short
on the road in a very loud Husky stadium.

Speaker 3 (16:45):
What's I say? So?

Speaker 1 (16:47):
I mean it is coachable moment. I think these guys
usually handle it the right way. You can see them
get mad at themselves when they make these mistakes and
they know that they're going.

Speaker 3 (16:57):
To hear it.

Speaker 1 (16:57):
And I think it's it speaks well of them. They
expect it and they know they're going to get it,
and they get it. But in the fourth quarter we
get the first passing touchdown in the Lincoln Keenholes era
to Jelanie Thurman, and then a late Sam Dixon touchdown
run from one yard out, and you get.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
The final of seventy to nothing. The first six.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
Extra points chip were kicked by Jaden Fielding and the
last four were kicked by Jackson Corville, including the one
for the seventieth point, which was partially blocked. Javon McFadden
did not block anybody, and his guy got inside, got
a hand on it, but it still went through.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Okay, two quick questions for you, and there isn't I
want to say that there isn't a wrong answer to
either of the questions I'm going to pose to you.
Is the first question is with relation to Lincoln Keenholds's
pass to Jelanie Thurman. Okay, it was not a long pass,

(18:00):
but the mere fact that it was a pass they
were already up. Did you have a problem with it?

Speaker 2 (18:07):
No, I believe that was a third down.

Speaker 3 (18:10):
Fourth it was fourth down, and it was just this
is just me being going back into my old school.
It's like, okay, like why not just continue to just
try and run the ball? That being said, I mean
I was happy that. Okay, you know, like it it's
a positive opportunity for Lincoln Keynolds, obviously for July Thurman.

(18:32):
And then this kind of like good, I realized you
probably already submitted your rumpy old Buckeye article. Is Javon
McFadden included in the Okay, like we can't have this
because I'm not trying to defend it wasn't the worst
thing in the world. It was the extra point. It's

(18:55):
merely the fact that like, okay, we already talked about
Ryan Day, like the angry demeanor on the sidelines. Okay,
this is a coachable moment.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
It was a fundamental mistake because he was he let
the guy inside go looking right were the outside So
I don't know if he missed his assignment, but if unsure,
you always take the inside guy. So it is a
teachable moment. And to answer your question, spoiler, I did
mention it in a in a broader section about the.

Speaker 2 (19:22):
Special type issues.

Speaker 3 (19:23):
Yes, right, because the way I look at it is, Okay,
Jabon mcfenn is true freshman. The mere fact that, again,
you know, we're kind of dating ourselves. Is it used
to be all right, you would never play freshmen back
in the day because that would expend a whole year

(19:45):
of eligibility. Right, It's like you don't want to play
them unless they were going to be contributors. The great
thing about the current rules or you can be playing
en up to four games. And I'm glad, i am,
I'm truly glad that Ohio State and Ryan Day like, okay,
we're we're going to play almost everyone and anyone if

(20:05):
they're healthy enough to be out there. So Jaymon mcfann,
classic example, offensive lineman. How often do you see that?
Hardly ever, But the mere fact that he was out there,
he was you were talking about. They continue to run
like the same you know, countertrait running play repeatedly, you know,
in the in the second half. Yeah, he had a

(20:26):
mental lapse or just a miscommunication or just maybe a
misassignment in terms of his special teams. Guess what, Jayvon mcfann,
you are the next contestant on a coachable moment by
Ohio State. Because this is exactly why we're doing these things.
So that's that's why I wanted to ask those questions
because to me, it this was this was better than

(20:47):
the spring game, because you truly, you know, it was
one of these things where it's like, all right, these guys,
they recognize what they were up against, but they were
giving you great effort obviously by the fact that they
tried to block that extra point almost were successful.

Speaker 1 (21:07):
Live tackling also, So yeah, there's yeah, it's not the
same as the spring game, but you you get guys
live reps in a against the hostile opponent. So I
getting back to your Lincoln Keenholes question. I don't mind
that they threw the ball was a fourth down. Keenholes
only threw seven passes, and and they brought up on

(21:27):
the on the broadcast. If all it takes is one
hit on Julian's saying Lincoln Keenholes has to be ready
to go. He'd never thrown a touchdown pass before. This
gets that out of the way.

Speaker 3 (21:36):
Oh yeah, I mean, I just I guess there's a
there's a difference between fourth down and two at the
goal line, or you know, like you know, like in
goal line situation versus all right, it's fourth and you know,
I'll just say like fifteen or whatever, and I'm gonna

(21:59):
I'm gonna Brian, I'm gonna I'm gonna reinsert you know,
like Jeremiah Smith or you know, like and and put
guys in like to try and run up the score.
There there's a difference between yeah, I mean that that's
I'm just trying to there's a philosophical approach to do it.
And that's why to me, I think Ryan Day and

(22:20):
I'm playing armchair psychologists here. I think Ryan Day, Yeah,
I think yeah, a part of the scowl is manufactured.
I also think there is a part to Ryan Day
where he has said, not not necessarily about grambling, but
in previous opponents, that he is conscious about running up
like the the idea of running up the score. And

(22:41):
I really do believe that there is a genuine respect
for grambling in terms of grambling as a historical program,
you know, like he referenced uh coach Johnson, you know,
being able to hear Eddie Robinson speak at a coaching
clinic and that's what inspired him to be going to coaching.

(23:03):
So I think that there was kind of like, Okay,
I'm I really do not want to try to embarrass Grambling,
But I know I have an obligation to my team
and the younger players to get them ready to play
if they are called upon. So I think that's kind
of a philosophical I don't want to say a struggle,
but like a philosophical belief that kind of manifests itself

(23:25):
from coach to day. When he's you know, it's kind
of like, Okay, I'm not happy with what I'm seeing.
I think there's like a little bit of like I
don't want to be accused of running up the score.

Speaker 1 (23:35):
I agree with you, and I think that's the tightrope
you gotta walk.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
You got to get your team. You got to get
your team ready, You got to get them reps.

Speaker 1 (23:42):
You can't just put your backup in and let him
hand off, hand off, handoff, because he's not going to
get ready if something happens to your starter. So but
I will tell you someone link in Keenholds. Even his completions,
some of those were not that good looking. And I
keep hearing about how close the quarterback battle was, and
I just I don't see it. I see no, like

(24:02):
I see a huge disparity between these two quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Well since we weren't there. I'm not I'm not disputing
what you said. We weren't there like for the in
you know, inter squad scrimmage and sure things like that.
I think, you know, like there's something to be said
about Julian saying. You know, somebody said that Ryan Day
despises the term gamer, but there might be something to

(24:29):
be you know, attributed to Julian saying. Is that, you know,
during like the the scrimmages and things like that, where
they might have been closer and then when all of
a sudden, the intensity the lights are on the the
you know, like the game is on the Julian's saying
elevates his game and what we're what we're seeing, you know,

(24:52):
just the pinpoint accuracy and you know, knowing exactly you
know where to where to position the ball with the
exception of the interception.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
Right or the opposite could be true. It could be.
It could be that Lincoln kingholds wilts a.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Little bit under the lights. He could and you know,
maybe maybe he's a slow starter. He started in the
spring game, but then came on and again in this game.
I thought his first few passes weren't very good, but
then he got, he got a little settled in, so
maybe he just needs more time and and uh maybe
he nerves are an issue.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Maybe that's something that he needs to to address.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
Yeah, I would agree. I mean, I think all those
injured possible. And let's not ignore the fact that like
Tavian Saint Clair, he is the future, you know, in
terms of like Ohio State quarterbacking as physically impressive. Out
of this out of the three, he is the most
physically Like if you were to line them up and say,
all right, I need the most physically prepared guy, Tavian

(25:51):
Saint Clair would would would would be the selection, you
know in terms of like who you know, like in
terms of everything, in terms of just size, strength, you know,
all these things. But guess what he played at Belle Fountain.
And I'm not trying to, you know, minimize that Belle
Fountain is a very small school division category in Ohio.

(26:13):
I mean, it didn't it didn't reduce him in terms
of in terms of his recruiting profile, he was considered
one of the top ten players in the in the country.
But the reality is, like Ryan Day recognized almost immediately
in spring ball, all right, it is Julian or it
is Lincoln and there is a there is a delineation
between the two of them versus Tavian. That being said, Tavian,

(26:37):
the future is very bright, you know. It's this is
exactly why you got Tavian Saint Clair into the game.
As I said a few moments ago, four games without
worrying about losing a year of eligibility. Tavian Saint Clair,
I mean more than likely will be the number two
quarterback on this team next year. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (26:59):
And he had only two passing attempts, did not complete them.
One was trapped and the other one I think was
a little bit behind his guy.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
But his guys should have had it.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
So there were opportunities there for him as well. So
let's go through the stats little bit. You and I
had our picks to click. We both picked running backs.
You took bo Jackson, safe to say he clicked nine
carries one hundred nine yards and a touchdown average twelve
yards of carry. I took James People only eight carries
fifty nine yards. He averaged seven point four yards. He
did not get in the end zone, but he really

(27:29):
wasn't getting the ball at the goal line. I think
he got from like the nine to the three and
then came off the field on one drive. But I
would say that both of those guys clicked because they're
both well over five yards of carry, So we'll both
get a click there. We'll get to the defense in
a minute, Julian saying, as I mentioned, eighteen of nineteen,

(27:50):
three hundred and six yards, four touchdowns, the only incomplete
pass chip was a pass that would have been complete,
was just a little bit late getting it out. Carnel
Tate ran an out route. He came off primary read
and he was a little late getting the ball and
it was the far side of the field, a difficult throw.
He got the throw there, but it was a little
late getting out. You can't be late at that part
of the field where everything's compressed. So he learned a

(28:12):
valuable lesson. Went to the sideline, looked at the tablet
saw the play, saw what he did, and unfortunately he
had Jeremiah Smith coming across the back of the end zone.
Probably could have led him and scored a touchdown on
that play instead and made Caleb downs this very acrobatic
interception payoff with points, but instead he turned it over.

Speaker 2 (28:32):
But that's okay because I think it was shortly after
that was the the scoop and score. If I'm not mistaken.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
Yeah, I mean again teachable moments, you know, like when
it comes to Ryan Day. You know how much of
a stickler he is at the quarterback position. So I
think you know Julian's saying, you know, the one that
got away, you know, is the one that he's going
to be having to deal with. I'm sure the I
don't want to say it's going to be intensive criticism,

(29:00):
but there's gonna be critique about what he could have
done better.

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah, And that led to Jeremiah Smith being named Offensive
Player of the Week instead of saying I think that
I think that costs ay an Offensive Player of the Week.

Speaker 3 (29:13):
I would agree with that.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
Because other than that, he I mean, he was he
was spot on. Nothing hit the ground. I mean it
wasn't even close to hitting the ground. His passes were perfect,
and that one would have hit Cornell Tait in the hands.
It just was a little late getting there. So anyway,
Lincoln kenoles six of seven for seventy one yards. He
threw a touchdown past and Tavin Saint Clair oh for two.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
CJ.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Donaldson carried the ball five times for forty five yards
and a touchdown. Isaiah West had eight carries forty two
yards and a touchdown, and Sam Dixon had a touchdown
as well three carries for nine yards.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
Didn't give as many touches as I thought he.

Speaker 3 (29:56):
Would, No, I mean, hey, you just reference Isaiah West.
There was a guy that I mean, we didn't really
see even in the spring game. I mean, in all fairness,
I mean, like Isaiah West battled injuries throughout the spring.
You know, this is a guy that kind of just

(30:17):
working his way up the depth chart. I was happy
to see that they ran the ball a lot in
the second half. I just really did think they were
going to concentrate more in the first half. Happy to see.
And I'm not saying, you know because you know, when
it comes to you know, our predictions from last week.

(30:38):
You know, James People's you know that he avoided serious injury,
you know what I mean, like that that looked that
looked that that could have been bad. I agree with Jake,
but you know on the Big ten Network telecast that okay,
it didn't look like a face mask, but that could
have been a serious injury. I'm happy that that it wasn't.

(30:59):
I I would say that I'm kind of surprised James
Peoples hasn't carried the ball more. I think CJ. Donaldson
obviously has demonstrated. I think at this stage of the season,
and it's very still very early, I think he has
established himself as the first string running back. Not too belittle,

(31:21):
you know, or suggests that James Peeples doesn't have a role,
but I think that Donaldson would be the first back.
I would say People's would be second, and then obviously
Bo Jackson third.

Speaker 1 (31:33):
Yeah, and Bo Jackson is.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
Climbing the charts rather quickly.

Speaker 1 (31:38):
Jeremi Smith five catches one hundred nineteen yards, two touchdowns,
Carnell Tate five catches sixty nine yards and a touchdown,
Will Kasmerk two for fifty five and a touchdown, Jolenny
Thurman three for forty four to a touchdown, and Brandon
Innis had three catches for twenty nine yards. And I'm
I know he doesn't get a lot of touches. Milon

(31:59):
Graham catch for twenty three yards, but man, every time
he touches the ball, he looks dangerous.

Speaker 3 (32:04):
Oh yeah, well he's you know. Credit to Brian Hartline
I mean, it's one of these things where like this,
the recruiting story associated with Milon Graham, he was I
don't want to say like that nobody cared, but it
was one of these things where he was not a
name I guess within like recruiting cycles that you and

(32:25):
I do not really actively follow and engage in. And
the next thing, you know, like Mylon Graham was the
talk of Ohio State recruiting camps, and the next thing
you know, he gets a he gets an recruiting offer,
excuse me, a scholarship off from Ohio State and accepted
it and goes back to his hometown in Indiana and

(32:48):
was tearing it up and lo and behold, what do
you see everybody in every anyone that is like, okay,
well we need Milon Graham. And I give credit to him.
He came to I State despite the loaded depth chart.
So yeah, I mean, it's gonna be it's gonna be
interesting to see how Ohio State handles this with Mylon Graham,

(33:12):
because I agree with you, I think he is definitely
a threat to take the take the ball the distance
whenever he gets an opportunity to be on the field.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, defensively, you took Kenyata Jackson and I had Kayden Curry.
Curry had four tackles, he tied for second most on
the team, and I'm gonna give him a click.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
There.

Speaker 1 (33:32):
I'm not gonna give Kenyata Jackson a click. He has
no no tackles. But I don't think he played a
lot because he was coming off that injury from last week.
So I think they were careful with him.

Speaker 3 (33:41):
Yeah. I love Kayden Curry, always have in terms of
just the effort, the intensity. I mean, he always makes
things happen. And I agree with you. I think getting
back to Kenyata Jackson, I think it's more okay, let's
just be poscious kind of you know, going back a
few moments ago talking about you know, James People's I
think there was kind of some cautiousness there, like all right, James,

(34:05):
it's not a lack of faith. It's like, let's get
you off the field and make sure you're okay after
you know what, looked like that could have been a
very serious thing.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Defensively, Peyton Pierce flashed. He had six tackles to lead
the team.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
R L.

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Reese played well in limited snaps. Jayleen McLain also had
four tackles. Other guys that kind of flashed. Garrett Stover
looked good. Caleb Downs obviously didn't have that many opportunities,
but he looked great out there no matter where they
put him.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
C J.

Speaker 2 (34:38):
Hicks made some plays. TJ. Alford made some plays.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
TJ. Alford is one of these freshman linebackers who I
don't want to see. He's been overshadowed, but you know,
I don't want to see or forgotten. But you know,
Riley Pettijohn, the hype was a little bit more vocal
about Pettijohn, and when Alfred got in, he certainly made

(35:06):
his presence known.

Speaker 1 (35:08):
Yeah, and I we already talked about Riley Pettijohn. And
I will say one final thing about this game that
I would wanted to say is that I have a
lot of respect for Sesavian tea set.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
I thought he.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Played pretty well all things considered running for his life
and they did things to get the ball out quickly.
But I thought he looked good in limited action. They
you know, Grambling started also substitute quite liberally in the
second half.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Yeah, I what was kind of surprising was, yeah, like
Grambling being down substantially started substituting so liberally when I understand,
you know, hey, you know that you're you're going to
lose this game, but I agree with you. I really

(35:56):
was kind of wondering, Okay, what the rationale Unless you
really thought this was the opportune time to get your
backup players some of those valuable game reps that we
were talking about earlier. With regards to Ohio State, I
would have I would have stuck with the starters a
little bit more. Now, granted I realized that Grammy had

(36:17):
a lot more injury issues than Ohio State confronted. And
this is not a, you know, a judgment. It was
just more of like I was just kind of confused
by the rationale.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
Yeah, I think they talked a little They touched on
a little bit during the broadcast that Mickey Joseph wanted
to get through the game injury free and have a
clean game that way. So I think that was part
of it, is that you just didn't want to expose
those guys to just a ton of hits. Because I
don't know if you noticed it, but I did. When
the when the backup defenders came on, those guys were

(36:51):
hitting and flying around the ball with a lot more
intensity because they you know, they know that they've only
got a certain number of plays to make their mark.
The starters, they knew they were going to come out
and dominate that team. They didn't really come out with
that type of intensity.

Speaker 3 (37:05):
Yeah, I said to my wife, you know, and I
kind of referenced it earlier. You know, if you're a
backup player at Ohio State, when you are given an
opportunity to play to your point Michael about you know,
coming in with a lot of intensity, you know, it's
it's not that's not a bad thing. If anything, it's

(37:29):
kind of all right, you what, you can't tell these guys.
The reason I'm kind of stammering over this, it's like,
I can't tell these guys, all right. I know we're
already up, you know, fill in the blank, whatever the
score might be. I can't tell these guys all right,
I want you to go in there and not play hard,
because they know they know deep down inside, the more

(37:49):
intense and the better I play, the more likely I
will get additional game reps in the future. So it's like,
these guys go in with the utmost intensity and you know,
it kind of you know, demonstrated itself on the scoreboard.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Yeah, yeah, because Grambling got closest to scoring against the
starting defense, much closer than they got against the backups.

Speaker 3 (38:14):
Very good point.

Speaker 1 (38:16):
So that concludes the Grambling portion of the show. Of course,
we've we've got our preview of Ohio University. Ohio University
looks like it's going to be a much more difficult
opponent ship.

Speaker 3 (38:29):
Yes, I would agree with that.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
So we'll talk about the Bobcats in a little bit.

Speaker 1 (38:33):
And you know, as we know from the past, Bobcats
are not going to come in with any fear of
Ohio State. A lot of their guys have played a
lot of our guys on Friday nights under the lights,
so there's not going to be a fear factor. They're
going to come in with nothing to lose and we're
going to get their best shot. We already saw that
Rutgers had problems with them and then they you know,

(38:55):
the Bobcats looked a lot better this week too, So
we'll talk a little bit about them, and we're going
to get our look around the big tenden see what
everybody else did. We'll get to those things right after
this all right, Jip, we are back. And I will

(39:15):
say I didn't get a chance to watch as much
football this weekend as i'd like to. I ended up
going to a concert Saturday night, so I only watched
the first quarter and a couple of plays of the
second quarter of Ohio State went off, drove over to
Saint Pete for just like a two and a half
hour drive, saw the concert, came back, but I stayed

(39:35):
up and watched the Ohio State game the rest of
it when I got home. Because that's just how much
work and effort I'm willing to put into this podcast.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
I appreciate it.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
So I didn't get a chance to see Michigan Oklahoma.
I did check the score a few times, and then
when I was leaving the concert, I think it was
a fairly close game. And then I got home and
saw the final score going around the Big ten time
and I The one game I did get to see
almost the entirety of was the Syhawk battle between Iowa

(40:09):
and Iowa State.

Speaker 2 (40:10):
Did you get to see that one?

Speaker 3 (40:11):
I saw a little bit of it. I will tell
you that that game, I'm not saying that I predicted
it was going to go down precisely, but I really
thought that was going to be a close game, as
evidenced by the final score. You know full well that
I'm very much a Matt Campbell guy in terms of

(40:34):
I just really respect the fact that at Iowa State
he has I don't want to say limited resources, but
you know, Iowa State's not necessarily known as a hotbed
of you know, of college football, and what he has
done with that program making it a very competitive program,
especially as they whenever they play Iowa it usually is

(40:58):
a close game. I had predicted that Iowa State would
win that game, but I don't think Iowa I don't
think they have anything to hang their heads over. I
think i was going to be fine.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
Yeah, Iowa State made some mistakes that got Iowa back
in that game. I thought that Iowa State was looking
like they were going to run away with early, but
they had to settle for some field goals at a
ridiculously bad muffed punt that set Iowa up for their
first score and Iowa got some momentum going and with
that that kind of got the Hawkeye started. But well,

(41:32):
let's start with Friday night. Northwestern had no trouble with
Western Illinois beat them forty two to seven, so they're
on the board with a win. This year, Maryland improved
to two and oh, but it was a struggle against
Northern Illinois. A little bit different week for Malice Washington
in Week two, as the Turps only had a thirteen
to nine, four point lead going into the fourth quarter of.

Speaker 2 (41:53):
That one and they were able to hang on and
win that. No surprises on those two.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
Games, No, I mean, I'm happy for Northwestern, but reality
is going to come with a vengeance this coming week.
Or I realized we're going to talk about Oregon here momentarily,
but Oregon is going to kind of put things in
their proper perspective as it relates to we're Northwestern, sits

(42:21):
within the big ten.

Speaker 2 (42:24):
Buck guys.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
On Saturday, wins seventy to nothing. As we mentioned, Penn
State played FIU thirty four to nothing win for the
Nitney Lyons there two and zero, and if anything, I'm
a little surprised it wasn't a little more lopsided than that.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
Yeah. I just referenced Oregon and I this is just me.
I think Penn State. Yeah, it's great. You're beating up
on teams. Everyone expects you to beat up on. I
realized Oklahoma State is not the same Oklahoma State from
I'll just say five years ago. Y Oregon is Oregon,

(42:59):
or Oregon's going to come to town without any misconceptions about
how good they are. I think Penn State might have
some false bravado and some false confidence that might become
crashing down to earth on September twenty seventh. That's just
my early indication is that Oregon is going to come

(43:20):
to town and really put Penn State. You know, in
a situation that Penn State fans may not necessarily agree that.
I think Penn State they might be looking at their
first loss.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
I mean, I think Drew Aller, I mean nineteen of
thirty three for only two hundred yards against FIU.

Speaker 2 (43:40):
That's not what you expect from a Penn State offense.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
No, and maybe Penn State is holding things back. All
power to them.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
I know that Oregon is looking very formidable Oregon. As
you mentioned sixty nine to three winners of Oklahoma State.
I thought that would be a little bit more interesting
that ended up being. But Oklhoma State is pretty terrible.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
I mean, they gave up pick six is on consecutive
pass plays.

Speaker 3 (44:06):
Yeah, I think Mike Gundy, even though he you know,
this is you know, he's an alum, This might be
the This might be I don't want to say v
nail a nail, a singular nail in the coffin. I
think I think his time at in Stillwater might be
coming to a conclusion.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Yeah, it might be time for change there.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Illinois and Duke played a very tight first half, but
the aligne I destroyed Duke in the second half and
went at forty five nineteen on the road chip in
a battle between the Big ten and acc So the
Fighting Berts are two to zero.

Speaker 3 (44:45):
The Fighting Berts. This was a good validation game for
them in the sense that and you know, kind of
where I'm going with this is that, you know, back
in the day, you know, Illinois with the expectations, it's
like it's usually all right, you know, we think you're
going to be really good, and then all of a
sudden they're not. And it's kind of, you know, like,

(45:08):
how did we get this so wrong? And how disappointing
in this and that Illinois to go on the road.
I will freely admit Duke is not necessarily one of
the best teams in the ACC But I have a
lot of respect for Manny Diaz. That's a Bowld caliber team.
For them to struggle and then eventually be dominant in

(45:30):
the second half, that's a good thing for Illinois. So
I you know, again, I'm really excited to see what
Illinois does as the calendar gets closer and closer to
Big Ten football.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
That could be a Top ten matchup when they play
Ohio State.

Speaker 3 (45:43):
You got it.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
Michigan went to Oklahoma and then it was a bit
of a fight between those two teams, and the Sooners
get the twenty four to thirteen win. Michigan falls to
one on one. I'm not sad.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
I'm not sad, and I'm not surprised. I really did.
I thought Michigan was going to win this simply because
I gave them the edge as related to their dominance
what I perceived to be their dominance on both sides
of the line of scrimmage offensively and defensively. Michigan offensively,

(46:18):
big surprise here. They're going to try and run the ball.
Their passing game is very limited. It's okay, it's we're gonna,
you know, try and do play action and try and
hit tight ends. But you know, once you've once you
figured out, okay, if we can shut down their run
and their their wide receivers are a non factor, that's
throwing a lot of a lot of pressure on a

(46:41):
true freshman quarterback. I don't care how talented Bryce Underwood is.
I just think Michigan. My prediction, and I realized it's
only week two. My prediction was that, all right, you know,
when it gets to big ten games like Michigan might struggle,
and so far they're starting there. They're starting to prove

(47:02):
me right.

Speaker 1 (47:03):
We'll see what happens. We get in the league. Play
that Syhawk game. Iowa State wins at sixteen thirteen, a
very Iowa Iowa State score and Iowa States kicker has
a gigantic leg.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Well not surprising. I mean, I think Matt Campbell's I
realized he didn't coach under Jim Trussell, but I think
he's kind of of the Jim Trussell ilk. You know,
special teams focus and you know, just being very you know,
tough defensively, you know, run the ball, that kind of

(47:37):
kind of thing. So yeah, Iowa State, I think they're
well on their way to a solid season. You know,
they're three and zero, and that's considering they crossed the
pond to beat Kansas State.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Yeah, Iowa falls to one on one, and bad things
happened when either of those teams tried to throw the
ball deep down the field. So definitely run run oriented teams.
Quarterbacks not built to win games with their arm. Indiana
wins fifty six to nine over Kennesaw State to go
to two and oh. That's not something that we thought
that Indiana would have any trouble with and they didn't. Minnesota, likewise,

(48:13):
with Northwestern State, beat them sixty six to nothing, so
they are two and oh. Wisconsin no to struggle at
all with Middle Tennessee, which looks like a very mid
team as Middle Tennessee and two.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
But Wisconsin two and o.

Speaker 3 (48:28):
Now Wisconsin's two and oh, but but but but they
were fourteen, they were up fourteen ten and the half
turn it on in the second half, and I'm happy.
I'm happy about that. Yeah, it starts to wratch it
up a little bit. They're going down to this place
called Tuscaloosa, Alabama, this coming weekend, so we'll see a

(48:51):
little bit more complicate, a little bit more challenging. We'll
see a little bit they can they can rise to
the occasion.

Speaker 1 (48:58):
All right, the girl of rut We're at home against
Miami Ohio and Greg Chiano's bunch gets a forty five
seventeen win to go to two and zero, and Rutgers
is a third of the way to Bowl eligibility already.
Nebraska no trouble at all against Akron, shutting them out
sixty eight nothing. The Zips living up to their name.
And I didn't see what happened, but I know they

(49:20):
were lining up for a field goal late in that game,
but then Nebraska call timeout. I don't know what happened.
I don't know if they missed the field goal. I
kind of got called out of the room, came back
and went, oh, the game's over, and it was a shoutout,
so they they messed something up.

Speaker 3 (49:34):
Yeah, I did. I have to confess I didn't see that.
I mean, Nebraska, I mean they're so far you know,
they survived a scare against Cincinnati in Week one. Akron
is pretty much kind of what everyone thought, you know,
getting back to Rutgers in Miami Ohio, Rutgers with the
thing that's kind of I would say a little bit

(49:54):
surprising is that Rutgers so far, the strength of their
team is more on the offense. The exhibit I would
give is Ethan kellyick Manus, you know, growing for four touchdowns.
You if you had said that to me a few
weeks ago, that, okay, the strength of Rutgers is going
to be Ethan kellyack Manus throwing the ball, I would

(50:18):
have thought that. Okay, we're talking about two different programs.
But so far Rutgers has has done what they needed
to do. Nebraska has done what they need to do
to do as well.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Yeah, we'll see what Ethan can do against real competition.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
You got it, you got USC.

Speaker 1 (50:35):
No trouble with Georgia Southern winning fifty nine to twenty
to go to two. And oh, Michigan State, they had
a battle on their hands. This thing went to two
overtimes and Michigan State wins forty two to forty to
get revenge for.

Speaker 2 (50:48):
The loss at Boston College last year.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Nipping the Boston College Eagles forty two twenty or forty
two to forty in two overtimes to move to two.

Speaker 3 (50:57):
And oh, I will say this much, I getting you
know the USC. I'm not trying to minimize that, you know,
like the fact that it was Clay Hilton returning UH
to the coliseum, his former coach, former former coach at
USC now at Georgia Southern. Happy for USC. Okay, these

(51:18):
are the games that they need to win. But the
focus on Michigan State Boston College I look at I
looked at this game as kind of a barometer game
for both programs in the sense that I really do
I as evidence by the final score, I really thought
this is both both programs so comparable, you know, as

(51:41):
evidence by the fact that it was you know, it
went into overtime. Michigan State lost last year to Boston College.
Thought that they gave that game away. I'm sure Boston
College is feeling the same way about this one. But
Michigan State, say what you will, not flashy not I'm
not saying one of the better teams in the Big

(52:01):
Ten by any stretch. But they are on the right track,
and I think the fact that they won this game
in overtime is a good thing for the program, and
it'll be interesting to see how they do when when
the calendar turns towards the Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Yeah, perhaps a worrying sign for the Michigan State defense.
This they gave up three hundred and ninety yards passing
to Boston College Dylan Lonigan, So that's something they'll want
to clean up. Perdue got to win thirty four to
seventeen over Southern Illinois to go to two and oh,
maybe one of the least convincing two and oh teams

(52:36):
in the country.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
I would say that, but hey, you've got to find
the positives. And for Purdue, you know, considering I mean,
like they were just so bad. I mean, I can't
try to sugarcoat it. I mean they were so bad
a year ago that all right, Yeah, they're beating the
teams that they that you expect them to. But you know, Purdue,

(53:02):
you know that.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You know.

Speaker 3 (53:05):
I'm not saying that they are going to all of
a sudden, you know, be the the Indiana of twenty
twenty five, as much as I'm sure that they are
hoping to be. I will say that I think Purdue
wants to be more. And you and I have been
doing this for a while. They want to be more like, Okay,
the Rutgers of a few years ago when Greg Ciano

(53:27):
came back, and it's like, okay, we're I don't want
you to think this of US as an as an
easy win. I want this to be a four quarter game,
and I think that's what Purdue is build in two.

Speaker 1 (53:38):
Well, it's a good thing it was a four quarter
game because it was fourteen fourteen after the first quarter.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
You got it? You got it? Uh?

Speaker 1 (53:46):
You and I suspected UCLA would have some struggle struggles
against UNLV, and that was the case. They lost thirty
to twenty three to drop to oh and two. UNLV
is three and oh. But you know UNLV went to
the Big House and gave Michigan in some trouble and
U c l A went to U n LV and
U NLV running rebels take care of business.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
Yeah, you n l V. I mean that. You know,
we were just talking, you know about Purdue. You know
Barry Otam that you know, that's his former team. Now
Dan mullen is head coach at you and LV. But
getting back to U c l A, they're they're quickly
approaching the crossroads with I feel bad for saying that,
but with Deshaun Foster as excited as they were to

(54:33):
have a you know, I'll just say a hometown boy,
you know, like a legend of the program, leading them
kind of a very messy separation between Chip Kelly and
the athletic administration and uh, you know U c l A. Yeah,
they they battled back. You know, it was it was

(54:55):
a late interception that preserved U n l v's win.
But you have, UCLA needs this coming week that they
need to win against New Mexico because if anything like
the doubts, the concerns about UCLA's future are only going
to grow louder and louder.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
Yeah, nico I, Emily I have.

Speaker 1 (55:17):
Through for two hundred and fifty five yards, but he
threw forty one passes in that game, only threw for
one touchdown. So UCLA fought back was twenty three to
three and a half, but they outscored UNV twenty to
seven and the second half. But you can't dig that
deep a hole and get away with it, and the
UCLA did not. And Washington crushed UC Davis seventy to ten.
They had eight rushing touchdowns in that game. And Jonah

(55:40):
Coleman is going to be a problem, So Ohio State
needs to be ready for him in a couple of weeks.

Speaker 3 (55:46):
Yeah, Jonah Coleman is going to be a problem better.
I mean, like you know, like you can't, you can't
summarize it any better than that. Washington is a very
difficult customer actually in the Husky Stadium. So kickoff has
not been established yet. We know it's not going to
be a night game. You know that. You know that

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game has already been predetermined. The night game is going
to be on NBC, the aforementioned Oregon at Penn State
game on September twenty seventh, but I would highly anticipate
that's going to be the three thirty kickoff game on CBS,
you know, and they're going to be happy to spotlight

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Ohio State at Washington, and the Buckeyes defense better be
prepared for Jonah Coleman, like you.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
Said, absolutely all right, So here's your games this week,
Chip Friday night, You've got to be ready for the
Battle of the Hoosier State as two and O Indiana
State visits two and O Indiana.

Speaker 2 (56:46):
The Hoosier should win that one.

Speaker 3 (56:48):
Yes, I can't remember what the final score was last year,
but I know it was quite substantial by Indiana.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
Oregon's going to Northwestern and Oregon's going to beat Northwestern.

Speaker 3 (57:01):
Badly. Like a rented mule.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
Yeah, it won't be close. Clemson.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Wait, why am I in Clemson? This is the this
is the top twenty five.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
I hate this.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
Go back to Big Ten. I clicked on Week three
in the Big Ten and it sent me back to the.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Top twenty five. Why is Clemson in there? Okay?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
Also Friday night New Mexico at UCLA game that you
touched on, and Ucla, if you're not going to get
a win here against one in one New Mexico, you
might be in trouble.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Yeah. I think. I'm not saying it's okay, do or die,
but Ucla, I mean you need this if you want
to salvage your season. I agree with you. I think
New Mexico I mean they went into ann Arbor a
few weeks ago and they were a pest to Michigan. Okay, Ucla,
you need to make a statement and win this game convincingly.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (57:52):
Wisconsin you mentioned goes to Alabama. Alabama's probably going to
beat Wisconsin handily. But it would be a lot funnier
if Wisconsin.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Win that game.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
It would be it would be tremendously funny. I would
just say that Wisconsin, Uh, they need to I realized
in the second half against Middle Tennessee State, they they
you know, they were, they were playing better. But I
just think Alabama they're they're going to be looking to
try to redeem themselves. I think they're still trying to

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wipe off the egg off their face from their you know,
embarrassment a few weeks ago against Florida State, and I think, unfortunately,
Wisconsin is going to be recipients of that. Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
The Connor Stallions Bowl will be taking place at the
Big House as Central Michigan visits Michigan. Uh No no
word yet on which team has the other team's signs
for this game.

Speaker 3 (58:46):
Yeah, I think Michigan. I think they're gonna they're going
to try to right the ships, so to speak, in
terms of, all right, let's get our running game going again.
Justice Haines I realized he had a big run again
It's Oklahoma, but for the most part he was pretty
much bottled up. That team is going to rise or
fall by how well they run the ball. I think

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they they need to figure out what they can do
with their running game. I think they need to figure
out everything and anything that Rice Underwood is capable of doing.
So this is a great opportunity to do that.

Speaker 1 (59:22):
Nebraska should have no trouble handling a one to one
Houston Christian team at home. Likewise, I don't expect Maryland
to struggle against two and oh Towison at home.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
No.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
I mean, it's not that I don't care. Part of
me is kind of like, wake me when it comes
to like when we talk about Maryland football, Wake me
when it gets the Big Ten season, because you know,
I've seen this story before, and you know, it didn't
end pretty the first time first few times I've seen it. Nebraska,

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they're they're doing what they need to do against the
opponents that they've scheduled. So I look for Nebraska to
have no problem against Houston Christian.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
Penn State should likewise handle one to o Villanova at home.
USC Chip goes to Purdue, I think the reality will
set in for Purdue. But I don't know how good
USC is yet. I just feel like that they're a
lot better than Purdue.

Speaker 3 (01:00:20):
They are, you know, this is this is a good
test for USC in the sense that Okay, traveling across
across the country to you know, I'll just say the
middle of the country, you know, So like Okay, what
kind of jet lag or you know, what kind of
travel issues that they might be experiencing. And then with Purdue,

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like I said a moment ago, I think with they
are at that, they're at that crossroads. All right, are
we going to be the pushover or are we going
to be a pest? And I think Purdue wants to
envision themselves being a pest.

Speaker 1 (01:00:57):
Well, I can't think of anything more pesty than having
to go to West Lafayette.

Speaker 3 (01:01:02):
I well, I've never been. I'll take your word for it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:06):
All right, Rutgers should have no trouble with a one
to one Norfolk state team. I would like to remind
our listeners that Norfolk is not a state.

Speaker 3 (01:01:17):
Thank you for the geography lesson, But yeah, I would
agree with you. I think Rutgers, I mean they have
to capitalize, which we joke about it, but it's true
that you have to capitalize on your non conference schedule.
Rutgers were a while away from it. But Rutgers, their

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latter Big Ten conference schedule is pretty damn brutal. If
I excuse my French, but I mean it's it's it's
pretty damn tough. So I just look at it's like
Norfolk State. All right, here's where you need to You
need to win this game and get ready for the
Big ten.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
Chip.

Speaker 1 (01:01:56):
Michigan State will face a two to zero Youngstown State.
This is a game Michigan State should win, but they
might have some at least.

Speaker 2 (01:02:06):
For half of the game struggles against the Penguins.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
Possibly possibly. I mean young Sound State is you know,
the kind of They're a very proud program. But I
think Michigan State, I really do. I'm buying I'm buying
Michigan State stock. I really think the Spartans are going
to get to a Bowl game this year based on
everything I've seen in terms of the evolution of Aidan Chiles.

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So I think Michigan State should win this one.

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Yeah, I just I have concerns about Spartans defensively, but
I get it. Offensively they look better Ohio at Ohio State.
This game is on Peacock at seven o'clock.

Speaker 2 (01:02:47):
Chip.

Speaker 1 (01:02:49):
Is that a Is that a critique or is that
it's just a statement of fact I.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
Have Are you signing Are you signing up with that
legislator who wants to bant in the state of Ohio. No,
I was just curious.

Speaker 1 (01:03:05):
I feel like legislation's job is to do things that
help everybody not stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:03:12):
I agree, I would agree with that. Yeah, No, I
think we'll talk about Ohio State O you in greater detail.
I mean personally, I just think, oh you this this,
you know, like at first glance, if you didn't know
anything about oh You, you would think okay, like and

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you know, High State's going to bludgeon this team. I
think Ohio State's going to win convincingly. But I think
this game is going to present its series of challenges
for different reasons that we'll get into momentarily.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
Learn the name Parker Navarro's what I Got It?

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
You got it?

Speaker 1 (01:03:50):
Illinois will host Western Michigan. It's oh and to Western Michigan.
The Ali and I are in top ten, now Chippa
and then we'll remain in the top ten.

Speaker 2 (01:03:58):
They'll get an easy win here at home.

Speaker 1 (01:04:00):
Iowa also at home against you Mass and U Mass
is also zero and two. I think Iowa will bounce
back fairly convincingly, and Minnesota will go out to cal
and play California in a very late night game ten thirty.
I think Minnesota will win this game. Both teams are
two and zero. I think Minnesota will win this game,
but I think it's going to be a close game.

Speaker 3 (01:04:20):
I think it's going to be a close game. And
I think this is going to be a good game
for Minnesota in the sense that you know, traveling across
the country to a I don't want to see a
better than expected, but a better team in cal Than
who they have played in their previous non conference opponents
is a good stepping stone for getting ready for the

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Big Ten.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Yeah, all right, Chip, Let's turn our attention to the
Ohio Bobcats, currently sitting at one and one, which is
the same record as all of the top teams in
the MAC. There's nobody better than one on one in
the MAC, so that puts them in the top half
with Toledo, Northern Illinois, Kent State, Central Michigan, Buffalo, and

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Bowling Green they're all one and one, and then at
the bottom you got Akron at o and two, Ball State,
oh and to Eastern Michigan, UMass, Miami of Ohio, and
Western Michigan all at oh and two. So an interesting
start to the MAC schedule. The Bobcats have scored forty
eight points and have given up forty four points. They

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are one and oh at home and oh to one
on the road. There will be obviously the road team
in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:05:32):
We talked about.

Speaker 1 (01:05:33):
Parker Navarro and when it comes to OU this is
a dual threat quarterback. He runs the ball, he throws
the ball, and sometimes he runs the ball because he's
under pressure and has to, you know, run it. But
other times he just runs it. And I feel like
if Ohio State is going to have any success, they
need to bottle up park Navarro. Keep him number one,

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keep him in the backfield. Number two, you know, contain
him in the backfield, keep the keep keep him from
getting outside.

Speaker 3 (01:06:05):
So I'm just going to say this right now, when
it comes to a game like this, you know, I
mentioned this a moment ago. At first glance, you're thinking, okay,
o high stage to just play with this team in
a similar fashion that they did with Grambling. I think
you and I are probably of a similar mindset. But

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you know, when it comes to you know, you know,
people that don't know the MAC, there's a misunderstanding about Okay,
like these guys are the players on and I'm including
Parker Navarro in this, but the players on the vast
majority of these Mid American Conference teams are good football

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players who for whatever reason undersized. Uh just you know
in terms of like the different recruiting measurables, you know,
like you know, say what you will, we're just overlooked,
not considered in the same category. And there's a I
think there's a belief that Okay, well, since they played

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for the MAC, they're not good football. But no, they're good,
but they might not have been you know, up to
like Big ten perceived for Big ten caliber. My point
being is that all right, these guys are going to
come in and there's they're they're playing with something to prove,
especially you know, considering Ohio University geographically is about an

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hour hour and a half away from Columbus, and it's like,
these guys want to show and represent themselves on the
biggest stage brand it's on Peacock but against the top
team in college football.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:07:47):
To further your point, you know, sometimes some of these
guys went to smaller schools, so maybe they can get
exposure in the recruiting as much some of them are
in this day and age, some of them are portal transfers,
people wanting you know, I don't want to be a
backup at Clemson or Oklahoma or wherever I want to
go be a starter somewhere. So let me go to
a place at Ohio University, for example.

Speaker 3 (01:08:09):
Okay, I'm going to throw out a name that I
know you're already familiar with, and I know our listeners
are familiar with. The guy that caught the first touchdown
against Grambling, guy by the name of Willcasmeric. Guess where
he came from Ohio University? Right now?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Good football?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
Without yeah, without going into the all the like, well,
why was it Wilkes America? That that is irrelevant at
this stage, Okay, at the reality is is that players
develop at different stages and different circumstances, and Wolcasmeric, when
the opportunity present itself in the transfer portal, was able

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to capitalize on that and is now at Ohio State.
My point being is that there are a lot of
players to your point, that might have been you know,
backups at other places and decided, Okay, I want to
be starter at OHIOU and there's nothing wrong with that.
And to my other point that, Okay, there are guys
that are probably i you know, you know, when it

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comes to you know, like I could look at Ohio
University's roster and say, oh, I remember hearing about that
guy in the Cleveland area, whatever it might be, looking
at it and all the power to them that they're
at Ohio you now, but I'm sure that there's like
a simmering resentment towards Ohio State that Okay, they didn't

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give me the time of day, and I'm going to
show them that they missed out.

Speaker 1 (01:09:34):
Yeah, there'll be a lot of motivation for people that
didn't get recruited by Ohio State, absolutely from from the
in state kids. And again, they won't have fear of
the guy that they are lining up against. If the
guy they're lining up against was another Ohio kid, they
may have played against them or beside them before.

Speaker 3 (01:09:50):
Oh you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:51):
Get it back to Parker Navarro. He is averaging thirty
one pass attempts a game. He is averaging two hundred
and forty three yards per game through the air, four touchdowns,
three interception. But Chip, he's he's completing almost seventy percent
of his passes. So you can't sleep on this kid.

Speaker 3 (01:10:06):
No. If anything, I will say this much. I think
the fact that not only he's completing seventy percent of
his passes. But Ohio you came very, oh so close
to upsetting Rutgers in week one, and that they beat
West Virginia in week two. The defensive coaches should have

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little to no problem getting the attention of you know,
the players this week when it comes to Parker Navarrow
and what they need to do.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Yeah, he's also rushing for ninety yards per game. So,
like I said, if you can, if you can contain
Parker Navarrow, you have a pretty good chance of making
the game a lot more comfortable for yourself. I don't
know that Ohio State will be comfortable in the first
half of this game, but I think they will be
more comfortable in the second half of the game. But
if the defense can lock down on park Navarro, then

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that is going to go a long way toward you
know what point in the game that things get a
little more comfortable. Their leading receiver is Chase Hendrix.

Speaker 2 (01:11:13):
He's a junior.

Speaker 1 (01:11:14):
He has seventeen catches through two games, chip for two
hundred and thirty six yards and a touchdown. And he
is he's catching, you know, making eight catches a game
and going for one hundred and eighteen yards per game.

Speaker 2 (01:11:27):
So he's the primary guy. He's the guy. Davis nig
Minosen will have to try to lock down exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
I mean it's going to be one of these things
where making sure that everybody is in the right spot
at the right time, you know, because these they're coming
in and they're they're ready to play against Ia Sate.
I could promise you that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
And of course they'd like to throw to their tight
ends in the red zone. They've got a tight end
by the name of a fantastic football name, Jake Bruno,
who's got pretty solid, yeah, very solid, and so he's
got two touchdowns and he's a senior sophomore tight end.

Speaker 2 (01:12:06):
Mason Williams as a touchdown. Again, that's a solid tight end.
MAC School name.

Speaker 3 (01:12:14):
Yeah. Well, I mean say what you will about the MAC.
I mean we, you know, kind of expect wins. I
mean Ohio State, they've had their their struggles. I mean,
like when it comes to Ohio you they they've had
their moments. I mean we're talking John Cooper, Jim Trussell.
It doesn't matter. But yeah, I mean MAC football is

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it's well represented in the NFL. Put it that way.
I mean, they may not necessarily be high profile guys,
but they are well represented on NFL rosters throughout the league.

Speaker 1 (01:12:49):
Yeah, all right, Chip, it is time for us to
get our picks to click and our score predictions in.
We've been yammering far too long about sorry grambling and
going on around the Big ten.

Speaker 2 (01:13:00):
So are bad.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
But you know what, You've got all week to listen
to this before the Saturday night game, so you don't
have to listen to it all at once.

Speaker 2 (01:13:07):
You could just take it and bite sized chunks.

Speaker 3 (01:13:10):
You got it, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:12):
So last week, Chip, we started with the defensive side
of the ball, So we're going to go back to offense.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
You get the first pick. Who is your pick to
click against?

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:13:20):
You you know something.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
He's been kind of I don't want to say overlooked.
I'm going to say that he has been underutilized to
my surprise, and I'm going to go with next Claire.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
All right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Max Claire has certainly been quiet.

Speaker 2 (01:13:40):
Through two weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:13:41):
They didn't throw the ball to him that much, and
the Texas game didn't really throw the ball a whole lot,
And this past week it seemed like they threw to
every tight end except Max Claire.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Although he did have a catch.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
I think everybody that played tight end except for maybe one,
had a catch in this game. They definitely get the
tight ends involved. That was the other part of Keenholes's
passes in the second half. A lot of them were
just short tight end passes. They weren't they weren't throwing
the ball down the field anymore. But you do have
to get Lincoln Keenholes reps on those deeper, deeper routes as.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Well, maybe get him in the game earlier.

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
And one way to do that is to have a
big lead at halftime against OU. But you're gonna have
to go out and do it.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
So you got Max Claire, I am going to I mean,
I'm just gonna go with the with the free space
and take Jeremiah Smith. It's funny because I haven't taken
him yet.

Speaker 1 (01:14:35):
I mean, you took Claire in week one, and I
took Brandon Innis, and then in week two we each
took back up running backs. Well mine was sort of
a one B running back and yours was a backup.
And so I'm gonna go ahead and give Jeremiah some love.

Speaker 3 (01:14:49):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
On the defensive side of the ball is a more interesting,
more interesting place to go. And as we do this
sort of snake style, I will get the first pick
of the second half, second round here, and I'm going
to it would be easy for me to take the
other free space in Caleb Downs. I do expect Caleb

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Downs to have a big game. But I will say
that I think we're going to have a big game
from Orville Reese.

Speaker 3 (01:15:24):
I like it, really do, especially in consideration of Peter
and excuse me, Parker tomorrow. I really do think that
Rvel Reese is going to be called upon. I'm going
to go off the beaten path considering yeah, like I know,

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the free space is there. I'm gonna go with CJ.

Speaker 1 (01:15:53):
Hicks, maybe some pass rush off the edge.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
And and doing some CJ. Hicks type havoc is basically
like like okay, you know, like we need you to
go in and shut this guy down. And that's just again,
just one of these wild thoughts that I had, is
that all right? I could see you know, Matt Patricia saying,

(01:16:21):
all right, wherever this guy goes, you know, I think
I know that you've seen the movie Hoosiers, you know,
by the end, by the end of the game, I
need you and like what kind of like what flavor
of chewing gum this guy is? You know, like that's
it's like kind of what I'm envisioning for CJ. Hicks
with with with Parker to borrow.

Speaker 1 (01:16:39):
All right, But I also think that we will probably
see nice games out of Sonny Styles and h and
out of Caden McDonald. I like, have Caden McDonald's trending.
He forced to fumble against Grambling. And I think now
that r L. Reese is getting a little bit of
a reputation, I think that's going to open up and
make people go after Sonny Styles more. And I don't
think you want to go after Sonny Styles.

Speaker 3 (01:17:01):
I wouldn't either.

Speaker 1 (01:17:01):
I think you're going to find out that, oh, we
want to stay away from RFL Reese. Oh now we
got Oh that's right, they got Sunny Styles too. Yeah,
you got it, all right, Chip, It's prediction time. What's
going to be on the scoreboard at Ohio Stadium at
the end of the game between the Ohio Bobcats and
the Ohio State Buckeyes.

Speaker 3 (01:17:22):
All Right, looking at Ohio's scoring, like they put up
thirty one against Rutgers, they put up seventeen in their
win against West Virginia. I'm going to say Ohio State
forty two, West Virginia seventeen West Virginia. I'm sorry, I'm sorry,

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Ohio you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:50):
Sorry, sorry, I just want to make sure that before
I wrote that down.

Speaker 3 (01:17:55):
Yeah, sorry, I was looking. I was looking at the
West Virginia, looking at the West Virginia score. That's that's
what suck in my head.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
So all right, well once again we are we're very
thinking very similarly. I am going to say Ohio State
forty five to sixteen.

Speaker 3 (01:18:12):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (01:18:14):
Okay, maybe that I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:18:16):
An extra field role for Ohio State and maybe they
hold oh you out of the end zone they have
to kick a couple of fields.

Speaker 3 (01:18:22):
Yeah, I mean, this is the kind of this is
the kind of team that you know, when you when
you think about it, and I want to give credit
to Ohio you and not so much the fact that
you know, I don't think that they are necessarily, you know,
like somebody that you should be like in fear of
per se. But when you think of previous games that

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they have played in years past, you know, like when
you you know, like I remember distinctly, I referenced it
a few moments ago that you know, like Ohio State
with John Cooper, it was not it was not pretty.
I mean, like the eventual final score was forty to sixteen.

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But Ohio State did not look convincing when they played
them back in nineteen ninety nine, back in two thousand
and eight, different time, different coaching philosophy, but Jim Trussell's
team beat OU twenty six to fourteen. Now in twenty ten,

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the infamous Bobcat mascot attacking brutus and I realized it
was vacated, but Ohio State won forty three to seven.
Most of the time, when whenever Ohio State O you play,
it's usually like, you know, kind of like all right,
it takes about a good solid half of just and

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these guys it's like, all right, we please just kind
of like go away. And then finally, like Ohio State
figure something out and they put they they finally put
them away. But it's it's annoying and it's pesty.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
That's my point that I think that, I mean, because
they're gonna be amped up, it's gonna be a great environment.

Speaker 2 (01:20:13):
Seven o'clock game.

Speaker 1 (01:20:15):
Yeah, we'll see if there's any virtual buck eye leaves
handed out to the crowd for this one. I know
Grambling had at least one false start, but you could
hear a pin drop on on that broadcast. It wasn't
loud for the Grambling. I don't know if they got
to If they did, they did, somebody at the game
could tell me, did you get a virtual buck eye
leaf for the for the Grambling false start?

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
I want to know, I you know something. I haven't
talked to my son, who's an Ohio State student yet,
so I apologize for that not knowing. But I will
say this, you know I I I do. I do
think that. I do think that Ohio State is the

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OU fans are gonna They're going to be there in
full force. They're gonna have a good time that you
owe you always has a good time.

Speaker 1 (01:21:04):
I hope that Brutus gets his revenge. I think Brutus
should knock the Bobcat out like before the game starts.
There you go, fist fight, there you go, mascot battle royale.
Just you know, put him in a pile driver and
drop him on his bobcat head.

Speaker 2 (01:21:20):
You know you can't can't.

Speaker 1 (01:21:22):
Come into the horseshoe and sucker punch brutus and get
away with it. No, that we don't stand for that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:29):
It was quite the story, quite the scandal.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
Very scandalous. All right, Chip, we'll come back next week.
We'll break down the Ohio.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
State game against OHU and then Wio State.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
My friend has quite a gauntlet of games from that
point on for a while.

Speaker 3 (01:21:46):
Yeah. I mean, if anything, it'll be you know, unfortunately
it'll be the first bye week. But good assessment time.
What do we need to work on, what works, what
doesn't work, what needs improved? What do we focus on?
You know, so that'll be a good thing.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
Start by focusing on stopping Jonah when you go to Washington.

Speaker 3 (01:22:08):
You got it, you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:10):
Put him at a got Kane McDonald, You got Jonah.
You got Jonah inside the whale.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
There you go.

Speaker 1 (01:22:16):
That's all I'm saying, all right, Chip, anything else before
we get out of here.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
No, just looking forward to a great night against o'hio
you on Saturday.

Speaker 2 (01:22:25):
All right, Well, well that will do it for this show. Chip.

Speaker 1 (01:22:28):
Please remind our listeners where they can find you and
your work online.

Speaker 3 (01:22:32):
I can be found on Twitter at Chipmanic. Last name
spelled M I N N I C H and a
contributor to Buckeye Huddle dot com as well as Saturday
Glory dot com.

Speaker 1 (01:22:43):
All right, you can find me at Mike thirty six
fan on Twitter or blue Sky. You can find my
work at Landgrant Holyland dot com every Monday, the Grumpy
Old Buckeye. Yes, I wrote about six hundred and fifty
words on the things that bugged me about the Grambling
win win by seventy points. But you know, if it's

(01:23:03):
not perfect, there's room for improvement, So why not point
out the black cloud that surrounds the glorious silver lining?
And that's my job every week, so you can find
my stuff there. You can also follow the Silver Bullets
podcast on Twitter at silver Bullets Pod with no e
in silver So I apologize.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
You have to spell it wrong s.

Speaker 1 (01:23:25):
I l V R b U L L E T
S p O D and then you expel it out
all correctly. If you want to email us at silver
Bulletspod at gmail dot com, all the all the letters
are in there for that and we'd love to hear
from you, so give us a shout. Let us know
what's on your mind.

Speaker 2 (01:23:40):
We happy to.

Speaker 1 (01:23:41):
Answer your questions on the on the next show. So
with that, I guess there's only one thing left for
us to do, Chip, and that is to do what
we do at the end of this show every week,
and that is to say, go Bucks, Go Bucks.

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