Texas Rewind and Notre Dame Preview

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Speaker 1 (00:21):
Hello once again everybody, it is time for the Silver
Bullets podcast. I'm Michael Citrow and I'm Chip Minnick and Chip.
The Ohio State Buckeyes have moved on to the National
Championship game against Notre Dame after a very hard fought
twenty eight to fourteen victory over the University of Texas.
When you weres in company the Longhorns, it was looked

(00:44):
like it might start out the way that the previous
college football playoff games had gone for Ohio State, with
a good defensive stand then a score. They moved the
ball well, but they could just never really get out
of their own way in this game and never get
some separation from Texas. And credit to Texas for doing
a good job of hanging around until really deep into

(01:06):
this game.

Speaker 2 (01:07):
Yeah, I agree with everything you just said there, especially
about the hard fought credit to Texas. I mean, let's
not forget the fact that Texas at one point earlier
this year was the number one team in the country
before they lost to Georgia. They lost to Georgia again
in the SEC Championship, So it wasn't as though Ohio
State fans especially should have been going into this thinking

(01:30):
like oh, We've got this thing easily won. Now, granted,
Texas didn't look all too impressive in the second half
of their win against Arizona State, but I personally wasn't
surprised that it was as close.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
As it wound up being.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Now, I would have preferred that it was more like
the first two playoff wins, But that being said, I
completely agree. I think Texas represented themselves very well when
you weers especially played played extremely well.

Speaker 3 (02:00):
And considering the fact that Ohio State's.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Going to be opening up the twenty twenty five season
at home against Texas at the end of August, this
is kind of the beginning of potentially an interesting rivalry,
so to speak, in the sense that, Okay, at least
we know we've got the game in twenty twenty five,
we've got the game at Austin in twenty twenty six,
and who knows what this expanded playoff how many times

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Ohio State and Texas might cross paths again.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
Absolutely, and that well, of course I'm not going to
jump the gun and start talking about any of that,
but no, no, no, no, those rosters are going to look
very different when they meet in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
Absolutely, we've got, yeah, saber what we have and what
we experienced on Friday night. But yeah, this is definitely
this was one of the artist fought games that I
think Ohio State's played in recent years. And you know,
if anything, Texas represented themselves very well.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
We both expected a pretty close game and you congratulations
to you. You correctly predicted the winner of this game.
You had a thirty one to twenty one Ohio State win.
I was being a little pessimistic thinking I was a
little concerned with Texas's past defense and that kind of
proved to be problematic, especially for Jeremiah Smith in this game.

(03:18):
And I had Texas winning by a field goal twenty
seven to twenty four. So I was very close on
the score, but the wrong side of the prediction. And
I will eat the crow for that. I'll happily do
that because I wanted Ohio State to win. I just
I don't know, chip do. I just not trust Ryan
Day in big games yet.

Speaker 2 (03:35):
I guess not if anything, Ryan Day, I will say
when we get into the game review, I will say
this much.

Speaker 3 (03:43):
At the end when Ohio State clinched.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
The victory, I mean, you want to talk about Okay,
what is bliss.

Speaker 3 (03:51):
And joy and just relief.

Speaker 2 (03:54):
I mean all all those adjectives that I can just
just you know, you saw that within Ryan Day when
Ohio State clinched the victory, and certainly well deserved considering
how bleaked everything looked when we were thinking, you know,
about a month ago, you know it was it was
pretty bad for Ryan Day and the fact that they've
had two convincing wins and one hard fought win to

(04:20):
be on the brink of a national championship. I'm extremely
happy for Ryan Day and the coaching staff.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, and you know, I think they're outside of Ohio
State's sphere of influence, if you will. A lot of
people think that Ohio State fans are wackos, and you know,
that's fine, that's fine. You the grace rivalry in sports.
If you don't get it because you don't live it,

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it's fine. You don't understand, you don't understand what it
means if you're an outsider. If you are an insider
and you've been a part of this your entire life
like we have, I don't think that it was a
terribly crazy idea to think that here's a guy who
just can't get over the hump in the one game
we want him to win. Just yeah, all that other

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stuff is good as far as success, But where are
the big ten trophies, Where are the national championships? Where
are the even the wins over Michigan. None of that
was happening. And Adam program where Ohio State is as a program.
I think that there's certainly a rational thought that maybe

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this is just never going to happen after the last
four years. So whatever else Ryan does this year, Ryan
Day has saved his job.

Speaker 2 (05:39):
Oh certainly, I think last it was never in jeopardy.
Oh yeah, I for one never thought it was in jeopardy.
I mean, based on the buyout, that was always in
the back of my mind. I thought this past week
leading up to the Ohio State Texas game on steven A.

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Smith didn't watch the entire show, so I want to
I want to emphasize that, but Chris Carter was on,
and I just to kind of, you know, summarize it
as quickly as possible that Chris Carter was, you know,
very much a critic of the results of what Ryan
Day failed to do against Michigan and then was trying

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to explain to steven A Smith, and I thought quite
you know, quite adequately in my opinion about the fact
that Okay, yeah he is, Chris Carter is a Ryan
Day fan, and he is very much in support of
Ryan Day and the fact that Ryan Day has had
tremendous games. You know, I'm just gonna throw the Texas

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game in there. You know, three in a row is
not going to take away from the fact that Ohio
State fans are always going to be demanding and wanting
a win over Michigan and so like to kind of
I don't consider it irrational. I don't consider it wacko.
I don't consider it lunatic friends or any of those
other things. By the way, very interesting to see Kirk
kurb Street on this. I'm going to call it gas lighting,

(07:07):
but you know, basically revisionist history who are of trying
to trying to make it out that Okay, that he
was never ever you know, pushing for the SEC and
all these kind of things. That being said, Getting back
to Chris Carter, I I agree with the way he
summarized it. It was it was something that I happened
to come across on social media that I believe, Yeah,

(07:30):
the demands of Ohio State are there. But as Ryan
Day has said in the past, you know, pressure is
a privilege, you know, so the demands of the Ohio
State job are high. But I think the fact that
he has risen to the occasion that these last three games,
and like I said earlier, has Ohio State well positioned

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to claim another national championship. I definitely think that, you know,
the fans are definitely back in his corner for sure.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Yeah, And it's it's not like any of us wanted
him to fail. We all wanted him to be successful.
That was It's not like a bunch of people just
out here sticking pins in their Ryan Day dolls. This
is not something we wanted to even be discussing. We
wanted a continuation of the success that had kind of
started under Jim Trestle and moved forward through the Urban

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Meyer era with you know, wins in the Big Ten,
wins over Michigan, and appearances in the College Football Playoff,
occasionally winning the College Football Playoff. That's what we wanted.
And I think at a program like Ohio State, you
should expect that, just like you should expect that at Alabama,

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and you should expect that at Georgia and Clemson and
schools like that.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Yeah, and like I said, he he has Ohio State
wall positioned. I think the extremely dominant performances in the
first two playoff games. I've said this before, not necessarily
in the context of Ryan Day, and I'm nothing has
changed going into the twenty twenty five season, High State
fans are spoiled. And what I mean by that in

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the sense of the fact that, okay, after those first
two playoff games, the fact that you know, that game
against Texas, like oh my gosh, like we're gonna we're
in a dogfight, and this is terrible.

Speaker 3 (09:22):
Oh my, you know what, you know, the you know.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
The concerns and it's like, Okay, you shouldn't expect to
be romping over college football playoff teams. I mean that
that that would would have been highly unexpected. The fact
Ohio State did it in the first two you know,
might have had some Ohio State fans thinking, oh, you know,
like we're gonna roll Texas. And like you said earlier,
you know, High Sake got off to a very quick start,

(09:47):
quick lead.

Speaker 3 (09:48):
Oh here we go again, We're we're.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
Gonna romp and it didn't turn out to be that
it turned out to be a true four quarter game.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
Yeah. So yeah, and it's a Texas for that. It's
you're not entitle to continue to that. I mean the
fact that we didn't expect that to happen against Tennessee.
We didn't expect that to happen against Oregon, but it did.
And yeah, it's human nature. Gohe Well, they figured it out.
They've got to going in the bag. A lot of
people didn't think Texas was that good, but Texas got

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to where they got because they were good, and up
until that point, only one team had kind of gotten
the better of them, and you knew it was going
to be a four quarter war. I always thought going
into this that if anybody could figure out how to
score on Sarks or on Ohio State's defense and figure
out a way to scheme it, it would be Sark.
And he did have some nice some nice things. We'll

(10:37):
talk about us. So why don't we get into the game. Sure, obviously,
you you get the prediction win for this week because
I have now picked against Ohio State three times in
a row, which I've never done. And they win and
I'm happy about that. But we go to the Cotton Bowl.
So you got to play a road game, Chip, and
Ohio State wins the toss and the first they want

(11:00):
to take the ball in the second half, which is good.
You get to see right away what Sark is going
to do, what Quinn yours is going to do. And
Texas moved the ball a little bit, but Ohio State
shut him down and took over and went down and scored.
And I'm going to talk a little bit about one
of my pet peeves with mister Herb Street, and that
is that Chip. The touchdown was scored by a young

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man named Quinn Sean Judkins, not Junkins. Where is he
getting junkins?

Speaker 3 (11:35):
Well, I'm not entirely.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
I can't speak on behalf of Kirk Herbstreet. I can
tell you that, you know, again, he's only you know,
this is you know, considering the fact that ESPN doesn't
traditionally cover any Big Ten games, and I'd give him
some little, you know, semblance of the doubt if this
was maybe the first game like that, the Tennessee game,

(11:59):
you know, kind of the mispronunciation, the fact that it's
the third game that that he's actually been a part
of the broadcast team for him to be mispronouncing. I
would kind of question that. And secondly, the Junkins, I
don't know. I can tell you as a lifelong Ohioan
and Cleveland Brown fan, the name Mike Junkin is something

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that is kind of you you want to talk about
like painful draft uh draft day memories.

Speaker 3 (12:29):
But I'm kind of I'm kind of deviating from the question.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
I really don't know, you know, if it was that
he just if it was laziness or just you know,
caught up in the moment or something like that. But yeah,
you would think that he would have the pronunciation of
Quinshahn's last name correct.

Speaker 1 (12:45):
Yeah, and there should be a producer in his ear
going it's Judkins, It's Judkins exactly. That didn't happen. And
the fact that quin Shawn transferred in from an SEC
school Chip yes, should you should have already been aware
of mister Judkins. Any Way, Quincha on judkins nine yard
touchdown run because Carnell Tate dropped an easy pass at
the goal line on the play before, so seven nothing

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buck eyes and kind of from there on for the
rest of the first half, Ohio State just kept stepping
on the proverbial rake I mean they were moving the
ball well. In the second possession, Trevon Henderson had a
nice twenty two yard run. Then he got stuffed and
then he gets up and obviously big dude on Texas

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said something to him because he smack him in the head.
You get a fifteen yard penalty and it sets you
back and then you end up not being able to
add points. In the next drive. They get two penalties
on back to back plays, a holding penalty and a
false start And just kind of was like that all night,
like they just couldn't. Texas wasn't stopping them so much

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as they were stopping themselves a lot of times.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yeah, I mean, that's gonna be one of the getting
back to the Henderson personal foul. And I have trem
ministers for Trevon Henderson as a person and as a
young man in terms of not to go on a
religious bent, but the fact that he is very open
about his devotion to his faith. He has been, you know,

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quite open this past season. So I don't know what
was said or what was done because that I will
simply say, watching it at home, it just seemed you
want to talk about completely out of character. I mean
that that that's exhibit A and on you know, kind
of like a like a follow up to that.

Speaker 3 (14:33):
It seemed as.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Though from that point on, like Ohio State like to
your point, Michael about self destruct, it just seemed like
they were in a funk that they could not get
out of.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
I mean, for the for.

Speaker 2 (14:44):
A big chunk of the game, you know, until obviously
near the end of the first half. But it was like, man,
the penalties were just you want to talk about frustrating.
It was, I mean, you take one step forward and
then take multiple steps back and just kind of you know, drives, bogging.

Speaker 1 (14:59):
Down, lots of penalties. Obviously a turnover at the beginning
of the second half. We'll get there. Ohio State kind
of just did that the rest of the half, and
Ohio State's defense played fantastic, But Texas put a drive
together late in the half and scored as one of
those schemes that I talked about. Sark figured out a

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way to scheme it so that his running back got
playing one v one on Ohio State's linebacker Sunny Styles,
and Sunny Styles could not stay with Blue. Blue takes
an eighteen yard touchdown pass and you know, Texas fans
were saying, you're my boy. Blue. It was seven to
seven with twenty nine seconds to play in the half.

Speaker 2 (15:40):
I figured you were going to go there, you know exactly,
And and I've got to smile on my face as
I'm saying that, Yeah, it sunny styles. The transformation from
safety to linebacker this year has been good, but that
would be something that you know, you'd have to say
that in terms of pass coverage, it's it's still not
you know, it's still not a straw point. So yeah,

(16:01):
like you to your point about Sark scheming and flew
into that position, you know for that touchdown. It was again,
that's kind of when you're just kind of thinking like,
all right, this is this is a game. This is
not gonna be all right wiping them out, even at
that point. I will say that at that point I
was sitting here thinking like, all right, get out of

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the half and just kind of regroup and try and
get into the second half and hopefully you have some
figure things figured out at halftime.

Speaker 1 (16:28):
Yeah, I was not expecting Jayden Blue to score there.
I did see that. It was a it was an
odd blitz on that play because if you go back
and watch it Tyler Williams drops into coverage, so it's
it's a weird zone blitz. It's Ohio State kind of
didn't really learn anything from what Arizona State did on

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that fourth down play the week before, the game before
when they sent everybody on a fourth and thirteen and
got beat over the top by Matthew Golden, who missed
a lot of this game with an injury. Boy when
he came back late, he made a difference in the game.
But yeah, it was seven to seven and Ohio State

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takes over and you're thinking, oh, we'll just run the
ball and get out of here at halftime, and instead
they go to a screen pass and chip a good
screen pass, not one of these wide receiver screens that
gets blown up in the backfield all the time. They
actually get to sneak Trayvon Henderson out. It catched Texas
in just the perfect defense and Trayvon Henderson catches this ball.

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It turns around and all I could see on my screen,
and I'm sure you saw it too, is three big
Ohio State offensive linemen in space running off the right
side of your screen looking for someone to block. And
at that point, I said, if everybody makes their block.
This is going to be a big play.

Speaker 2 (17:48):
Oh yeah, I mean you want to talk about some
of the adjustments. Let's give credit to Texas on the defense,
like they were. We were just talking about Ohio State
self destructing and I'm not reach acting that statement. However,
Texas defensively was starting to do some things to you know,
kind of add to the frustration I think Ohio State

(18:10):
was having offensively, like in the sense that you know,
Jeremiah Smith basically was a non factor, you know, throughout
the entire game. The fact that Ohio State they were
having difficulty with running the ball, they were having difficulty
with the passing game, that the pass rush was starting
to come up.

Speaker 3 (18:28):
To your point, the fact that they actually you know, in.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Terms of like with that blitz, Credit to Chip Kelly,
Credit to Ryan Day for calling it at the right time,
having the right personnel in with Trevon Henderson, because, like
you said, the lineman downfield looking for somebody to block,
and Travon Henderson, as he's shown not only against Texas
but also in previous games, especially like when you think
about like the Rose Bowl game, once he gets in

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the open field, I mean, it is pretty much unless
you've got the angle, you're not going to catch him.
And so that was, if anything, And another another quick
point before we continue is we were just talking about
that personal foul prior to that game.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
They prior to that play, there was a.

Speaker 2 (19:09):
Before Henderson penalty, after Henderson penalty that was on the
screen and it just I mean, you want to talk
about the positive pharma.

Speaker 3 (19:19):
Travon Henderson. You used a good movie quote.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
You know, with with wedding crashers. What came to mind
for me is like, you know, when I think you
couldn't be any dumber, you go and then totally redeem yourself.
That was exactly what I was thinking in that.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Sense, you know, from Dumb and Dummer. Not that Traveon
Henderson is dumb.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
I'm not saying that.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
I'm just saying that it is definitely was one of
those things like you want to talk about a redemption.

Speaker 3 (19:44):
That was a moment right there for Travon Henderson.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
We've got to redeem you now, Chip, because I'm pretty
sure that was the uh that was old school, not
wedding crashers.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
I'm sorry, I bet, yeah, I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (19:57):
I was you know something, you know something I could
I was thinking I was sicking again with Beryl.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
You know, Will.

Speaker 3 (20:04):
Ferrell, as well as.

Speaker 1 (20:08):
What's his name, uh nothink of Vince Vaughn.

Speaker 3 (20:12):
Vince Vaughn.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
That's exactly. Yeah, So thank you guys in the same movies.
That's okay, we're getting off the subject here. Henderson and
only had would make one guy miss and he did that.
He he faked like he was going to run in
between the hash marks, and when he veered inside the
hash marks, Uh, Texas has very good safety named Andrew

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mccoubo mcuba. Sorry, Uh, he kind of moved him inside.
Then he made a last second cut and went inside
or outside the block of Sereraveld. Austin Seraveld and allowed
him to make that block, and he actually took out
two Texas players and once he got through that hole

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between the offensive linemen, he was gone. There was no
catching him.

Speaker 2 (20:58):
Yeah, Austin Syraveld had I mean, you want to talk
about some frustrating moments, but yeah, on that particular play,
Austin Cerebelt definitely helped out and contributed immensely.

Speaker 1 (21:10):
So the buck Geys go back up a touchdown, seize
back the momentum, but the weird choice by Jim Knowles
not to play a little safer with thirteen seconds left,
and Texas actually got close enough to throw a hail Mary,
and unfortunately Chip Malik Hardford got in the way of
a potential almost one hundred yard return for Lathan Ransom

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because Laythan Ransom was sizing that up, he was going
to catch it basically with a five to ten yard
head start in front of it. Anybody with any speed
on Texas. All he would have needed was a couple
of blocks downfield.

Speaker 3 (21:49):
Yeah, who knows. I mean, it could have been, but.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
It didn't happen. As fourteen to seven at the half,
Buckeyes come out and get the ball, go down the
field pretty quickly, get to midfield and Will Howard just
did not see the linebacker dropping in tried to fit
a ball into a tight window so he couldn't get
a little more height on it, and it was picked
off and Texas took over. But Ohio State and Texas

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played very very tightly throughout the second half. I know
you're talking about some of the frustrations with Siravilde, and
I am going to let him completely off the hook
for his unnecessary roughness penalty because I felt that was
on the officiating crew. I felt like Carnel Tate had
been held up long enough that his forward progress was stopped.
They started to push him backwards, and since the whistle

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hadn't blown, Cerivild came in hard to try to knock
him free, and they blew the whistle as he was
already committed to make the hit. So the whistle blows,
he hits his man in his fifteen yards. I feel
like that's an officiating mistake.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
Yeah, I mean, if anything, it was just one of
those things where I guess I was of the mindset
that I'm not disagreeing with anything he said. Is that
with the fact that he had his forward progress stopped
like he said, they were pushing him back. I just
always get nervous when players are in that scrum that okay,

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like in their efforts to like fight for extra yardage,
that the ball is gonna get stripped. So I'm kind
of I'm of the mindset like go down, just you know,
like hey, you know, like just go in.

Speaker 3 (23:19):
So that's where when Cerebel came in, I was like, oh.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
Man, you know, like fifteen yard like the fact that
like they had they had moved, you know, like that's
that's where I was coming.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
He was he was trying to play the whistle. I
feel like Carnell was held up a little bit. I
feel like they were holding him up to try to
strip him, and the crew wasn't really my favorite crew
looked like maybe they were thinking, if we just let
this play out, maybe he'll drop the ball. I don't know.
Maybe that's just me being paranoid all I'm gonna say
about it. Maybe I'm maybe I'm just a little bit

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traumatized because now we've gone the count is now twelve,
twelve games without an opponent being called for holding.

Speaker 3 (24:00):
Well, you're not the only one that has noticed this.
I mean the fact that.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
It was it was brought up prior to the you know,
prior to the broadcast. It's you know, like a national
thing in terms of, like on social.

Speaker 3 (24:14):
Media accounts pointing out how Ohio.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
State defensive linemen are, you know, like you said, twelve games,
the fact that okay, yeah, they they're they're playing against
good offensive lines. You know the fact that they're coming
off their third straight playoff game. But come on, you
can't tell me that there aren't you know, some holes
in there that that could have been called in favor

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of Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Yeah, it's a big, big one on Kenyatta Jackson in
this game on a on a big play for Texas
that went for a first down. Anyway, ball games back
and forth. Like I said, it's it's fourteen to seven,
Texas is able to once again score to tie the game,
and you know, now you're you're getting later in the game.

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It's you know, only a couple of minutes left to
go in a third quarters, fourteen fourteen, Ohio State gets
the ball back, goes three and out, and now the
vibes are not real good for Ohio State fans.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Yeah, that's kind of where you know, you're starting to
the doubt is starting to creep in in the sense that,
like you said, you know that it seemed as though
like Texas, I don't want to say that they had
the momentum, but they definitely seem to have figured things out,
and it certainly seemed as though like this this could
be anyone's ballgame, as we were getting later and later

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into the second.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
Half for me, and I've gone back to look at this.
I think I watched the game three times on Saturday,
But the middle section of the game, second and third quarters,
if you go back and you look at the drive charts.
For some reason, Chip Kelly started running the ball between
the guards on first down almost every drive, and those

(25:58):
were the drives that Ohio State couldn't anything going. When
the Buckeyes didn't run on an early down in the middle,
in other words, when they stayed wide or if they
passed the ball on first down, they had way more
success in this game because running between the guards, where
Texas is pretty stout, they get a stop. Now Ohio

(26:18):
State has to play two downs in obvious passing situation,
so it's going to help Texas's defense figure out what
to do. And that's why they were able to get
some pressure on some of those those pass rushes because
Ohio State's not going to try to run again on
second and ten, They're going to try to throw the
ball because that's what they do. I feel like they

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weren't mixing the calls up in the middle part of
the game, but they went back to it in the
fourth quarter and it worked well.

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, it definitely had some some Michigan vibes to it
in terms of, you know, the frustration with the running game.
But like you said, they eventually figured things out and started,
you know, their their play calling, especially in the latter
portion of the game, started to have things going better.

Speaker 1 (27:03):
Yeah, by the way, that three and out helped by
quin Shawn Judkins just dancing around when he needed one
yard and he got no gain. If he just puts
his head down and tries to split the two defenders,
he's going to get that yard, so, which he did
on a pass play a little later in the game.
But we'll we'll get there. Ohio State goes three and out,

(27:27):
punts the ball, they get a stop, but they get
pinned way deep in their own territory and then chip
maybe the drive of the year. You could probably say
this was every bit as good as the drive to
close out Penn State. But they go all the way
down the field and get a quin Schawn Judkins one

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yard touchdown run with seven o two to play. A
very big play for Judkins because of the fact that
Will Howard picked up a key fourth down and with
nothing but green grass in front of him, he fell down.

Speaker 3 (28:01):
Yeah, the turf Monster. I was happy. I wasn't surprised
that Ohio State went for it.

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Uh, you know, if anything, I was happy to see
you know that they took advantage of Will Howard.

Speaker 3 (28:13):
You know the fact that you know he he.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Does have mobility, the fact that that they used him
and like like you said, I mean, I thought for
sure he was going to score that touchdown turf Monster
got him.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
Then they as you said.

Speaker 2 (28:25):
You know, they eventually scored with quinch On Judgskins another
key part of that drive. And I think it's going
to be I don't want to say lost to history,
but it was definitely one of these things where a
pass to g Scott who he was going to be
tackled for a loss and he fought for additional yardage
that set them up. Now granted he didn't get the

(28:47):
first down, but he set them up better in position
for that fourth for that fourth down play that I
think is kind of like underrated, like if he had
been if he had just kind of you know, been
tackled for a loss, like instead of it being like
fourth and three or fourth and two whatever it was
that on that run by Howard, that play call looks

(29:08):
dramatically different.

Speaker 3 (29:08):
It's going to probably be a pass.

Speaker 2 (29:10):
So I mean, if anything, g Scott is kind of
like an unsung hero on that drive as well.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
I'm smiling, Chip, because I was going to bring that
up my very next point, So thank you for pointing
that out. It was you had mentioned, you know that
you're not surprised they went for it. I don't know
if they would have gone for it without that second
effort by g Scott because as you mentioned, you know,
he you know, he caught the ball probably six yards

(29:38):
shy of the line to game, and he fought for
about four of those yards like he was falling down,
he got hit, he was stumbling, he put his hand
down and just lunged. And that play got them to
a fourth and two, and that it was at the
thirty four yard line. So at that point, you're kicking
a fifty one yard field goal or you're going for

(29:59):
you're not gonna punt from the you know at that
point in the game. So you know, they they and
I was even thinking this is a good, good time
for quarterback run, but I thought maybe I was kind
of surprised when they ran out of that formation. And
then they did run out of that formation, and I
was like, oh, go go, and then he falls down
with no one around him, and I said, oh, if

(30:20):
if they end up having to kick a field goal,
this is going to be awful.

Speaker 3 (30:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:27):
I I mean that's the thing, Like, you know, poor
Will Howard, he's gonna have to He's gonna have to
live with with that. I mean, at least like they,
like you said, they're you know, in the post game,
you know, Jack Sawyer making light of of Will Howard's
mistake and Will Howard you know, joking about it. But yeah,
I mean it all it all worked out in Ohio

(30:48):
States favor, but yeah, it would have It would have
been something if Ohio State had not been able to
come up with.

Speaker 3 (30:54):
What seemed to be at the time.

Speaker 2 (30:57):
The crucial touchdown that you know, Ohio State fans were
thinking like, maybe this is it, Maybe Ohio State finally
has this.

Speaker 1 (31:06):
I didn't even realize how long that drive was until
Judkins scored, because I was thinking, what do we got
ten minutes left? And I looked up at seven o five.
It was a seven forty five drive, thirteen plays, eighty
eight yards that they that they embarked on. So started
at their own twelve and went down the field and scored. Unfortunately,

(31:26):
Texas came back right down the field made some big plays.
Helm with a big play. Of course, a lot of
people were griping on online because he got an unsportsman
like for pointing in Ohio State player's face. But that's
always going to get you a unsports mike content. That's
you've got to be smarter than that.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Yeah, I mean, you know, if I was a Texas fan,
I can understand, you know, like you know, like, oh,
I can't believe they call that. Well, they're gonna call it.
I mean, like, just be smart about it, like I.

Speaker 4 (31:59):
It wasn't the fact that he I mean, and let's
let's call it what it is, like he threw Caleb
downs and that wasn't that wasn't an issue.

Speaker 3 (32:10):
That wasn't the penalty.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
It was the fact that, okay, after words, like you said,
the point that okay, he didn't have to like if
he had just thrown him, that play would have stood.

Speaker 3 (32:23):
It would have been all was fine, you know. So yeah,
I I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (32:28):
I think that you know, when you look at it,
and it's impossible to be objective if you're a Texas fan,
But if you look it's like any anytime that you
kind of point like that, it's going to get called.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
Yeah, it's like we saw earlier in the year somebody
get called for you know, standing over their opponent and
and you know people were like, oh, that's soft. Well,
you know what there are all doing. There are sportsmenike
rules that you don't have to do it, like if
Helm just signals first down there where they are. But
it didn't end up mattering anyway, because they made a

(33:00):
couple of big throws. Twenty seven yarder to Golden was
one that set them up. The Ohio State took a
couple of pass interference penalties, one of them completely unnecessary
when there was double coverage in the back of the
end zone. Sets up a first and goal at the one.
Ohio State gets the stop on first down on the

(33:20):
second down play and I've heard a lot of people
blasting Sark for this toss play and Ohio State rallies
to the ball. Caleb Downs makes a great play, Lathan
Ransom makes a great play, Davison Iiguinosen gets there to
help clean it up. And it's a big loss on
the play, knocking the ball back to the eight yard line.
And the reason that Sark calls this play chip is

(33:44):
because you know the Texas fans. They've just seen their team.
They haven't watched every Ohio State game. They haven't seen
the Penn State game, the Michigan game. They haven't seen
guys get stuffed at the line like this. Sark has
seen the film and he knows it. He just saw
his team get absolutely blown up at the goal line.
So of course you're going to try something different. Ohio

(34:06):
State's performance all season defensively is what caused that call
to be made. And you could sit here and say, oh,
if you just do that same play three more times,
you're likely to score, and you're not necessarily wrong, but
the doubt is in your mind if you were anybody
that studied film on Ohio State's defense.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Yeah, Caleb Downs, I mean the fact that okay, he
didn't make the tackle, but he did enough two basically
string that, you know, string that the playoff long enough
for Leathan Ransom to come in and make the tackle
cause the loss.

Speaker 3 (34:41):
Yeah, I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
I think if anything, you know, like in hindsight, not
necessarily the play call, but maybe having you know, even
though it still would have been you know, Ohio State
fans probably would have been or the defense probably I
think would have been ready for stuff if they had
brought in Arch Manning, because that, you know, the fact
that he's more mobile, like the fact like okay, is

(35:03):
Arch going.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
To keep it might have might have helped. But yeah,
I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
I think, you know, you had to be somewhat unpredictable
against that Ohio State goal line defense. The fact that
there was first and goal at the one and Ohio
State stonewall and them on that first play, and like
you said, that crucial second down play that has been
scrutinized and will continue to be scrutinized.

Speaker 3 (35:24):
You know that Ohio States. Let's give credit, you know,
to the Ohio State defense rising to the occasion.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Yeah, absolutely. Speaking of rising to the occasion, a guy
who played well all night long and was held some
of the time is Jack Sawyer. And on third down,
Jack Sawyer made an inside move, deflected the pass and
made sure that that was incomplete that it caused the
fourth down. And on fourth down, chip Jack Sawyer beat

(35:51):
his man so bad, and I know Texas had some
injuries on the offensive line, but he absolutely blasted past
his guy and Quin Yours was moving away from him,
and Sawyer still got to him, knocked the ball out,
and a team that had watched two fumbles for Texas
bounced the other way in this game, got a bounce

(36:13):
that was just perfect because it just bounced right back
up to Jack and he ran the other way for
an eighty three yard touchdown that will never, ever, ever
be forgotten by Ohio State fans.

Speaker 2 (36:24):
No, I mean Jack Sawyer you want to talk about
you know, I said it this last week and obviously
there was the results of Friday night have not changed
my opinion. I mean, he's the he's the emotional leader
of that team in the sense that you know everything.
You know, the painful Michigan loss, and you know his

(36:47):
reaction to you know, Michigan trying to plant the flag
on the field, you know, and that's kind of you know,
his he definitely you know the fact that when you
look at it, it's obviously I'm thrilled that it didn't
happen this way, but I mean just the mere fact like, okay,
Ohio State, all right, they shut down Texas right there,

(37:11):
you know, like you know the fact that it's going
to be you know, like relatively deep in their territory.
They're going to still have to get like probably at
least two first doowns to seal the deal. The fact that, okay,
it was a fumble, and as you correctly pointed out,
because I know on social media you were like, when
is the ball going to bounce in Ohio State's way?

(37:31):
The fact that Ohio State recovered it, that would have
been all right great. The fact that it then only
bounced up and then Jack Sawyer was able to return
it is what has catapulted him into And I'm going
to agree with what Ryan Day said, legendary status.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
Yeah, he never has to pay for a meal or
a drink in Columbus. Ever.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
Again, I liked I saw a tweet somebody saying like,
if you know, if a bartender charges him for a drink,
that's probably a criminal offense.

Speaker 1 (37:59):
So like, so yeah, So at this point, it's twenty
eight to fourteen, Texas still has some time, but you know,
it's when you get to that two score lead that
late in the game, it's not looking good. Desperation time, Quinn,
you were floats to pass across the middle on second down,
Caleb Downs picks it off to seal the deal. In
Ohio State wins the game and you know, your defensive

(38:23):
player of the game obviously is Jack Sawyer because of
all the many things he did. We'll talk about his
stats a little bit, but I want to point out
the fact that he was your pick to click, and
that makes up for the fact that Jeremiah Smith had
a very very quiet night and did not click. So
you get one out of two.

Speaker 2 (38:39):
Yeah, Jeremiah Smith, I mean, let's I said it before.
I'm not retracting it. Give credit to Texas. I mean,
they figured out a way to take away Jeremiah Smith.
I agree with what you said earlier about the interception.
I think it was more that Will Howard didn't see
the Texas linebacker dropping back into coverge. But Texas, I

(39:01):
mean they they bracketed Jeremiah Smith to the point where
all right, Ohio State was kind of forced to and
for the most part, was pretty successful at finding the
underneath passing ruts. But yeah, Jeremiah Smith was not really
the factor that he had demonstrated in previous games. So
you know, the fact that Jack Sawyer, you know, certainly

(39:23):
made up for it in terms of his performance. If
we had just been talking about just like you said,
like the pass rush, even the sacks that that he
wasn't credited for, just with the holds that weren't called.

Speaker 3 (39:36):
The third down tip that was that was big.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
But yeah, like the fourth down sack as well as
the fumble recovery, that's that sealed the deal for High State.

Speaker 3 (39:45):
Absolutely.

Speaker 1 (39:47):
So you know, Texas fans will beat their chests about
shutting down Jeremiah Smith, and to that, I will say,
good job keeping Jeremiah Smith quiet. But you did not
take him out of the game because by what by
the fact that Texas covered the way they did. Carnel

(40:08):
Tait seven catches for eighty seven yards should have been
eight for what ninety something in a touchdown, But that
doesn't happen without the coverage that Jeremiah Smith is drawing
a mecha book of five catches. He ended up with
fifty one yards. That may not be happening as much
of that without Jeremiah Smith's coverage. Gee Scott with five

(40:30):
catches for thirty yards. Judkins out of the backfield obviously
Travon Henderson underneath had taking it to the house seventy
five yards. All of those were helped by the fact
that Texas was paying so much attention to Jeremiah Smith.
So did you take Jeremiah Smith out of the game
or did Jeremiah Smith take your defense out of the game. Yes, yes, yeah,

(40:53):
that's well said. So you know, you something has to give.
That's why you don't just have one talented guy. You
have a bunch of talented guys, and if if their
hell bent on taking maybe the most talented guy away,
you just use all the other really talented.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Guys precisely and that and that's that's where I think
Will Howard the at first glance, Like we talked about
the interception, at first, that's I thought it was okay,
he was forcing, but it was more as you said,
I agree, you know, like you know rewatching it that No,
it was he just didn't see the linebacker dropping back
into coverage. So, you know, credit to Will Howard for

(41:31):
playing smart.

Speaker 3 (41:32):
For most of the game.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Yeah, I also think that he had He was probably
a little bit antsy to get the ball to Smith
on that play. And because the linebacker that dropped into
coverage left Trayvon Henderson wide open about eight yards downfield
on the sideline. So if he had noticed that he
hits Trayvon Henderson, it's it's going to be probably a

(41:54):
fifteen yard play at least, so right, Trayvon Henderson only
the one catch for seventy five yards. He also carried
six times for forty two yards, so he averaged chip
sixteen yards a touch in this game. He was my
pick to click, and I would say he clicked absolutely

(42:16):
then on the we'll just go hit through here at
Henderson's six for forty two, Judkins had nine carries for
thirty six yards. He averaged four yards to carry, even
though he got stuffed at the line a few times
on some of those inside runs. But he was he
was ripping off seven and nine yard runs. But the
fact that those two only carried at fifteen total times

(42:38):
tells you a lot about the fact that Ohip State
didn't run the football very much. And you can point
to the final result and go the game plan worked
because it did. But I really feel like they could
have They could have mixed in the run on non
obvious run plays a little bit better. I feel like

(42:58):
the play calling in the second and third quarter wasn't great,
but they did pretty well when they did run the ball,
especially when they ran outside the tackles. So Will Howard
was twenty four of thirty three for two hundred and
eighty nine yards and a touchdown, did throw an interception,
was sacked two times. In fact, we two good bounces
in the second half after two bad bounces in the

(43:18):
first half. As one of those sacks, the ball came
loose and managed to regather it, mostly while he was
still in the air being sacked, which good for him
because I mean, I don't even know how he felt
his left hand.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Right, Yeah, that thing looked pretty wicked.

Speaker 1 (43:35):
You had a big walnut on his left hand, and
I would have felt like that thing was numb. But
then Carnell Tait, like I said, seven catches for eighty
seven yards, really picked up the slack. And you know
quinn Ewers twenty two of thirty nine, he threw a pick.
He threw for two hundred and eighty three yards, two touchdowns.
He was sacked four times, and really Ohio State's defensive

(43:56):
line did a fantastic job and knocking a lot of
his passes down. I know jack had a couple. I
think JT had one. Kenyatta Jackson had a very critical
one while JT was out of the game that had
it been complete, might have been a big play. So
that was on the sark screen. As you may recall, right,

(44:17):
big day for the defense. You had the defensive player
of the game. As you picked to click, he clicked.
I took. I took a pretty good player. I took
Caleb Downs. Yes, he had an interception, he had five tackles,
he had a tackle for loss. Of course, he helped
blow up that critical second down play. Might have been

(44:39):
able to score on that interception, but he wisely just
went to ground so they could run out the clock.
So I would say he clicked absolutely. So again we
had three out of four guys that clicked. So maybe
we'll get the get all four in the next game.
Maybe we'll see, all right, Chef. Anything else about this

(45:00):
football Playoff semi final on the road at the Cotton Bowl.
I know it wasn't in Austin, but it was pretty
much a home game for the Longhorns. Anything else on
your mind from this.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
No, just happy that Ohio State came out on the
winning ed And as I said at the very beginning
of the podcast, I think Ohio State fans better buckle
up for what promises to be some interesting games.

Speaker 3 (45:22):
With Texas for the foreseeable future.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Absolutely. Former roommate of Quinn Viewers ruins his night. Yeah,
all right, Well, we are going to get ready for
the Notre Dame game. The Ohio State Buckeyes will take
on former Buckeye Marcus Freeman and the Notre Dame fighting
Irish on Monday the twentieth in the college football Playoff

(45:48):
championship game. Very excited about that. We're going to talk
about that, give you our predictions and our picks to click,
and we've got a little bit of Ohio State news,
so we'll get to those things right after this. And

(46:10):
we are back chip. A couple of items in this
this week, since you and I have last spoken that
we we should probably address a couple of them. Happened
like right after we recorded our last show, before i
think before our show aired or before it dropped. But
two more names into the portal from Ohio State, Mitchell Melton,

(46:33):
who actually was on the field Friday night, and Sam
Williams Dixon also going to enter the portal. So those
two are on their way out. But of course I'm
probably pretty glad to still be alive in the college
football playoffs.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
Yeah, I'm kind of surprised about I'll say for both obviously,
you know that they're making decisions based on what they
believe is in their best interests collectively. You know, Sam
Williams Dixon, I guess the fact that I mean he
fell behind his classmate, and you know, with with peoples

(47:13):
at James, people's in the same same recruiting class. The
fact that I High State's bringing in running backs, the
fact that they're bringing in a running back from the
from the transfer portal maybe got him thinking, all right,
I'm you know, already kind of behind. So maybe an
opportunity exists elsewhere that we just don't know about. As
far as Mitchell Melton, he's been a contributor, but maybe

(47:34):
he just thinks, all right, I just need to go
some other place where I can play even more to
showcase my talents for a possible NFL career.

Speaker 1 (47:42):
Yeah, maybe I My lasting memory of Mitchell Melton is
him hustling to get off the field. Yes, during the game,
I saw that. Yeah, But I did see him after
the game celebrating as as vehemently as anybody out there.
So you can tell this is really still a lot
to him. Sam. What you're saying about Sam Williams Dixon

(48:03):
is that he's not the people's choice at running back.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
I guess not. I guess not.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
The fact that I mean, it was one of these
things where as soon as his name came up, and
I mean, let's face it, I mean, he he played
very sparingly as a true freshman.

Speaker 3 (48:18):
You know, James.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Peoples had been getting more. I mean, we haven't seen
James Peoples since the Tennessee game. And that's that's okay,
considering the you know, the fact that both Conjohn Judkins
and Trayvon Henderson are playing well and all that, But yeah,
I was kind of surprised that Sam Williams Dixon didn't

(48:39):
figure like, oh, you know, like here's my opportunity to
be you know, like maybe that two man rotation next
year that maybe he you know, maybe he was told
your role on the on the team is going to
be different.

Speaker 3 (48:51):
I don't know. So it's just it was just kind
of a surprise to me.

Speaker 1 (48:55):
Yeah, it's going to be a mostly very young running
back last next year, very much State, all right. In
addition to these guys entering the portal and who knows,
by the time this podcast drops, we might know where
they're going. That's just kind of how things have been
going for us as we record these on Sunday nights.

(49:15):
A little bit of news in the NFL, as Mike
Rabel will coach the New England Patriots. This is a
guy who just a few weeks ago a lot of
people were kind of hoping he would be the replacement
to Ryan Day. It looks like Ryan Day's not going anywhere.
I know, we heard that from you know, from Ohio
State's brass, you know, very early on. But you know,

(49:36):
you never know what would have happened had they just
come out and gotten dropkicked by Tennessee. So it's it's
pretty obvious now that he's not going anywhere, regardless of
what happens on the twentieth and a lot of people thought, well,
maybe Mike Rabel, But now Mike Rabel is attached to
his old NFL team, the Patriots, and as a fan

(49:57):
of a team that is in a division with the Patriots,
I'm not on board with this.

Speaker 3 (50:01):
I understand that.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
I will say, I guess you know, you know, as
somebody who you know right now, I will freely admit
now is the time of year that I actually follow
the NFL more closely now that college football is winding down,
you know, so when it comes to the New England Patriots,
the fact that they only gave Drob Mayo one year,

(50:25):
I thought that was kind of unfair. But hey, the
Craft family that owns the Patriots, it's you know, it's
their team, it's their decision. That being said, it didn't
surprise me that Mike Vrabel quickly became, you know, the
the number one target of their coaching search. I'm happy
for Mike Vrabel in the sense that obviously this is

(50:47):
the job that he wanted. I still believe it was
a horrendous mistake by Tennessee to even fire him in
the first place, which as evidence by the fact that
Tennessee had the worst record in the league, fact that
they just fired their general manager, they've got the number.

Speaker 3 (51:05):
One draft choice.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
I think this might be one of those things where
if Mike were able to find success in New England,
not only will you be disappointed considering he's in your division,
but I think Tennessee will be kind of like, why
didn't we ever let that guy go? Because he wasn't
he and I still believe he's a really good coach.

Speaker 1 (51:22):
Yeah, So congrats to Mike Brabel and staying in the NFL.
Cameron Hayward is still going extremely strong for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
He was named an All Pro and Terry McLaurin, a
guy who hardly ever caught passes at Ohio State, is

(51:42):
an All Pro in the NFL. Chip This is a
guy who was such a good blocker they just wouldn't
throw them the football.

Speaker 3 (51:50):
Yeah, I mean, Terry McLaurin.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
We joke about the fact that we're not really on
the recruiting side of things, but the story went that
when he came up.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Out of high school.

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Or was in the I guess I could say in
high school and coming to Ohio State recruiting to football camps,
that urban Meyer basically was very reluctant to give him
a scholarship until he had demonstrated to the coaching staff
to urban meyer satisfaction that he was worthy of a scholarship.
And then, like you said, you know, when he was
at Ohio State, he was I don't want to say

(52:24):
he was buried on the depth chart, but he you know,
didn't really catch the number of passes or any of
those things that you know, a lot of I think
a lot of players you know, get frustrated. We see
nowadays with a transfer portal. So you want to look
at exhibit A of you know, somebody with like perseverance
and determination, and the fact that Terry McLaurin has basically

(52:44):
transformed himself through sheer, hard work and tenacity into an
all pro. You know, Terry McLaurin is is a tremendous
example of hey, you know, just stick with it and
good things can come.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
Yeah. I mean I kind of joke about his blocking ability,
but that I think he was on the field a lot,
but I think he was such a good blocker that
they used that to their advantage. You you throw it
somewhere else and you have Terry out there blocking for them.
And then Terry, we didn't know, we didn't know how
good he was really until the Senior Bowl practices when

(53:16):
the videos started coming out of him just torching guys
and then and then people were just all of a sudden,
there was this buzz about he's he's gonna get picked
pretty high, I think, and we're all like, Ohio State's
third or fourth best receiver is gonna get picked that high.
And not only did he get picked that high, but
he just keeps putting together a thousand yard seasons.

Speaker 2 (53:37):
Yeah, it's it's one of these things where I mean,
I go back to the recruiting side of things that
you know, until until they show up on on campus.
And that's why I personally, I mean, like the blackstripe tradition.
I like that because, all right, the players are saying,
this guy, we can count on him if if we
need to put him in a game, so to speak.

(53:58):
I'm not I'm not dis counting recruiting rankings or recruiting evaluations,
but it's like, all right, you really don't know. I mean,
I sit here as like I said, as a lifelong Ohioan,
the Cleveland Browns.

Speaker 3 (54:11):
I mean, it's just you know, I sometimes think.

Speaker 2 (54:14):
You know, you could put a blindfold on me and
I could throw darts at a dartboard with names on
it and sometimes come out better than how the Browns
have picked.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
So the NFL Draft is another example of I.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
Mean, these teams, Browns especially, but all these NFL teams,
they spend millions of dollars exhaustively, you know, research these guys,
and a guy like Terry McLaurin is not picked in
the first round and becomes an all pro. It just
kind of goes to show you just never know what's
going to happen until a guy's in the right situation

(54:48):
at the right time.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Gash Mercy, those videos coming out of him and his
footwork just sending guys the wrong way and then he's
opened by ten yards and these are all defensive backs
that we're going to picked in the first round, and people,
he was just really putting on a show and he
really helped himself and climbed up the charts, so a

(55:10):
lot of people's draft boards and good for him. Just retroactively,
wish he would have seen what he could have done
with the ball in his hands while he was wearing
the scarlet Gray a little bit more. But congrats to
him and the ageless Cameron Hayward, who just continues to impress.

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah, Cameron Hayward, I didn't mean to discount him.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
He's had, by all accounts, I mean, a tremendous career
in Pittsburgh. I mean, I know the Steelers had an
early playoff exit, which has Pittsburgh fans understandably upset, But
you know, you can only hope that Cameron Hayward has
decided I'm gonna, you know, come back after you know,

(55:51):
like you said, you know, seemingly ageless. The product, the
production on the field is there.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
As long as he has still has the desire to play,
he certainly he has shown the talent to play at
a high level.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
All right, Chip Ohio State and Notre Dame. We little
did we know that Ryan Day would end up having
to go up against trestle ball in the National Championship game. Uh.
And I look, I say that not really facetiously, because
I when I see this Notre Dame team, and I

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see the way their cornerbacks play, and I see their
way their their defense plays relentlessly, and I see that
they've got you know, good offensive line played, their weapons
are better than you think they are. And their quarterback
is a guy who isn't really wowing anybody, but is
just figuring it out a way to do it. This
team reminds me so much of Tressel's championship team that

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played Miami.

Speaker 2 (56:50):
Yeah, without a doubt, Marcus Freeman, uh, you know obviously
played for Trussell. I know that Jim Trustle is certainly
you know, somebody who figures prominently to this day in
Marcus Freeman's life earlier this year. I you know, one
of the podcasts that I like to, you know, peruse

(57:14):
Jim Trussell. You know, it's all about the team, and
he has different people, and Marcus Freeman was was a
guest on on on his on his podcast earlier this year. So,
like you said, Marcus Freeman, I think is being true
to himself. The fact that this team has a lot
of similarities to the two thousand and two national championship

(57:34):
team is not an accident. I think it's it's certainly
by design.

Speaker 1 (57:39):
Yeah, And even Marcus's demeanor is very Pressellian. He's just
like he's just a young Jim Trussell disciple, and like
he's you know, he's got some more swagger than Trussell maybe,
and he's got certainly got a little bit more modern

(58:00):
and take on what he likes to do. But this
does look like a trestle ball team to me, and
in all the right ways.

Speaker 2 (58:08):
Yeah, I think it's it's something to keep in mind,
is that. I think you you know, that old expression
to thine own self be true. I think that that
Marcus Freeman certainly admires Jim Trussell and certainly has a
healthy respect for Jim Trussell, but I don't think that
the style of play like he's doing it just out

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of sure blind adulation for Jim Trussell. I think these
are the things that that Marcus Freeman truly believes in
the fact that, like you said, you know, he has
a little bit more kind of swag, the fact that
he's younger, but kind of that cool, calm demeanor. I
think that's always been there. And the fact that he
played for the man h has has had some let's

(58:53):
just face it, you know, like he's had some some
rough patches, as as every coach usually on their on
their in their coaching career, you know, at different stops
and stages along the way, that he's experienced adversity, and
he's found a winning formula that has Notre Dame playing
for the National Championship for the first time since I'm
just going to say it, like you know, since nineteen

(59:15):
eighty eight. I mean, like they I know that they
finished number two in the early nineties, but like they
weren't in.

Speaker 3 (59:22):
What was the National Championship game.

Speaker 2 (59:24):
This was the first time since nineteen eighty eight that
Notre Dame could possible let me rephrase that twenty when
they played Alabama when they were blown off the field.

Speaker 3 (59:34):
But this, this certainly is, you know, like for a
Notre Dame to try and get its first national championship,
let me say that since nineteen eighty eight would be something.

Speaker 1 (59:45):
I'm not expecting any cat fishing stories before this game.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
No, No, I think this, yeah, this is.

Speaker 2 (59:55):
I mean you want to talk about you know, pretty
much like load Rama, like the only one who is
starting to kind of make things I would think uncomfortable
for Notre Dame on social Media's former Notre Dame quarterback
Molik is that year who is seemingly going out of
his way to trash you know, Will Howard. Okay, that's fine.

(01:00:17):
I don't know why you're doing that. But uh, you know,
I don't think I don't think Marcus Freeman's gonna I
don't think he's going to pour any gas on that fire.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
No, I don't think so. So out of the frying
pan into the fire. Chip. And with regards to opposing defenses,
because Notre Dame has the number nine total defense in
the country, the number two scoring defense in the country.
Ohio State first in both of those. One thing that
Notre Dame does very well is take the ball away
when you throw it. They are fifth in the country

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in interceptions, and so Ohio State's gonna have to obviously
take care of the football. That Notre Dame pass defense
is second in the country too, just to Ohio State.
They ranked very very highly. Uh and then Notre Dame
against the run hasn't been quite as strong, but you know,

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they have looked pretty good against the run in the
postseason run.

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
Yeah, Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:01:16):
I am fully anticipating Marcus Freeman and Al Golden who
is their defensive coordinator. Two, poor Over scrutinize dissect what
Texas did that was so effective against Ohio State's passing game.
Poor Over dissects scrutinize everything that Michigan did, you know.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
And let's let's face it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
You know, Ohio State they you know, we've talked about
the frustration that Ohio State you know, made, We talked
about it earlier on this podcast, like some.

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
Some questionable play calling added to that.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
But but also let's give credit to those teams that,
you know, like they figured out ways to you know,
in im packed Ohio States running game and to slow
down Jeremiah Smith like Texas did. So yeah, Marcus Freeman
and Al Golden are good coaches on the defensive side
of the ball, so they all have Notre Dame ready
to go against Ohio States offense.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
Absolutely, And again another reminder of for me of that
that championship team that Tressel had just a relentless defense,
and you know they The one saving grace I think
is that Texas did it with a lot of zone
and Notre Dame doesn't play a lot of zone, so

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that may help out. But then again, Notre Name's been
taking the ball away from a lot of people playing
a lot of man demand, so they are going to
be able. They are probably pretty confident in their ability
to stay with Ohio State's receivers as good as they are.
So and he's already kind of addressed that It's like,
we don't play a lot of zone, so I'll have
to take a look at it, but you know, well

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we'll come up with something, but I don't know if
it'll be his the same zone scheme that that Texas used.
So uh, then you look on the offensive side of
the ball, and that's where Notre Dame hasn't been quite
as good, and a lot of people will point to
Riley Leonard as a guy who's, you know, maybe not
all that great of a passer, maybe not you know,

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Molikusire famously said that Will Howard was not very good.
There was another gentleman whose name escapes me, who said
that Will Howard was the worst of the final four quarterbacks.

Speaker 3 (01:03:35):
I think Annuel Emmanuel Acho.

Speaker 1 (01:03:38):
Yeah, thank you for for that. I completely spaced on
his name. That guy who is he? I know, I
know who he is? Uh, but yeah, I think that
Leonard has still something about him in the same way
that Craig Cremsl wasn't a great quarterback and still had
something about him.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Yeah. I think let's let's you know, I think that
you know, Riley Leonard.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
Last year, when he was in the transfer portal, his
name was floated as a possibility for Ohio State and
it was quickly squashed because he quickly you know, signed
with with Notre Dame and as evidence by the fact
that he has them playing for the national championship, he
chose well, I don't want to minimize I don't want
to minimize the significance of Will Howard's leadership. I mean,

(01:04:29):
you brought up Craig Crenzel. I think Will Howard has
definitely demonstrated the fact that you know, like, you know,
he has the he has the belief and faith and
trust of his teammates on the offensive side of the
ball that he's going to he's going to do good
things with the ball. But yeah, I think, you know,
I think we get caught up in the fact that, like, oh,

(01:04:50):
this guy can throw the ball this well and he
can run and Okay, one of those intangibles that I
mean you really you can't really quantify is his leadershi
and heart, and both Will Howard and Riley Leonard have
that in abundance.

Speaker 1 (01:05:06):
Yeah. One of the things that you know, Notre Dame's
fifty second total offense fifty second the country, but they're
sixth in the country in scoring offense, which means they're
either they're getting the ball in the end zone when
they have opportunities, and they're also being set up by
their defense with short fields.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:05:27):
They very trustle like you know, in the sense that
you know, opportunistic, capitalize on your opponent's mistake and make
them pay for it, you know. And you know, another
thing that is characteristic or was characteristic of a Jim
Trussell team at Ohio State. Strong special teams play, you know,
and that's something that Notre Dame. You know, they did

(01:05:48):
it against Georgia, much to George's consternation, but in the
Sugar Bowl they played extremely well. So I would be
on high alert for special teams plays against Ohio State
in the National Championship game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:05):
Buck guys are going to have to shut down the run.
Notre Dame is number fourteen in the country running the
football two hundred and ten yards per game. They are
are way down in the passing one hundred and second
ranking in passing. But part of that running game is
the quarterback. Leonard's going to take off and you have
to account for him.

Speaker 2 (01:06:24):
Yeah, I and I mean we're talking designed quarterback runs.
That's not going to be not that I have a
problem with any quarterback that runs for positive yardage if
the pocket breaks down, But I mean Notre Dame makes
no secret of the fact that they're going to run
Riley Leonard multiple times in any given game.

Speaker 1 (01:06:44):
Yeah, there will be design runs. There will also be
times when he's got a one read look and if
that reads not there, he takes off exactly. So that's
something that Jim Knowles will have to prepare for. I'm
sure he will. Jeremi I Love, their sophomore running back,
is a guy who's run his mouth a little bit too,

(01:07:05):
said he wanted Ohio State before the Ohio State game
against Texas. But he's he's put his money where his
mouth is. Eleven hundred yards in fifteen games, seventeen touchdowns,
but that's only one more than Riley Leonard. They will
run the quarterback at the goal line.

Speaker 3 (01:07:23):
Yeah, I think Jeremiah Love.

Speaker 2 (01:07:24):
I mean, that'll be I think if you're Jim Knowles
in the Ohio State defense.

Speaker 3 (01:07:29):
No disrespect to Riley Leonard.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
You know, obviously we just talked about the design quarterback runs,
but Jeremiah Love is the focal point of the Notre
Dame offense, you know, in terms of the fact that
he's been productive running the ball. He's a capable receiver
out of the backfield. So Jeremiah Love is going to
get a lot of attention and focus from the Ohio
State defense in their preparation.

Speaker 1 (01:07:50):
Absolutely, all right, Chip, it is that time we have
done all the talking we're going to do before games
this season because the next time you and I speak,
the season will be over.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
We always talk about this, Michael, to favor it while
you have it, And I will say this much. I
am being completely sincere the college football Playoff that it's Yes,
I realize that we're a Ohio State fan, so we're
obviously very biased, but the Ohio State play excuse me,
the college football playoff has been everything that I hoped

(01:08:26):
it would be more so. And the fact that the
interest in the college football playoff games, the fact that
and I'm happy to report this that you already know this,
but that bowl game viewership, non college football playoff bowl
game viewership was up, so you know, if anything you know, yeah,

(01:08:48):
you know, it's like the college football season went longer
because of the college football Playoff.

Speaker 3 (01:08:53):
But I'm certainly happy that it has.

Speaker 1 (01:08:56):
Speaking of viewership, before our last show, I did see
that Ohio State Oregon had such a big audience. I
didn't see one for the Texas game. Have you seen
anything on that?

Speaker 3 (01:09:07):
Not yet. I'm sure it's going to come out though.
I mean, it's that that game.

Speaker 2 (01:09:12):
If there if I have and this has nothing to
do with Ohio State being in it, if there's a gripe.
If there's something that I could tweak, if I could,
if I could talk to people, is I don't know why,
for the life of me, for a sport that is
synonymous with Saturday, why the National Championship game is going

(01:09:33):
to be on a Monday night. To me, you know
that it just kind of defies logic. I mean, it
would make so much more sense. Heck, you know, like
if you're if you're seeding Ah the weekend to the NFL, fine,
do it again on a Friday night, like like you know,
years ago Ohio State in Miami when they played for

(01:09:54):
the National Championship in two thousand, the two thousand and
three Fiestable, that was on a Friday night.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
So it's like on a Monday night. That to me
is that you know, you know, there's there's something that
if I could, if I could be a.

Speaker 2 (01:10:06):
Ghost writer for the Grumpy Old Buckeye, would be something
that I would have as as a as a topic.

Speaker 1 (01:10:12):
Well, I'm glad that I haven't on a Friday because
I'm traveling Friday.

Speaker 3 (01:10:16):
Okay, Okay, I understand, I understand, all.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
Right, So picks to click against Texas. We picked offense first,
so We'll go defense first, Chip, who do you like
on the Buckeyes have a big game on the defensive
side of the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
I'm taking the free space, you know, I'm taking the
free space and I and I feel bad for doing it.
But Caleb Downs, you know, we talked about it one
of the one of the key plays. I mean, I
know that you mentioned it earlier.

Speaker 2 (01:10:44):
We talked about like the second down run that you know,
and how instrumental he was. There was a play and
the player on Texas his name escapes me, but you
know Caleb he was. He was breaking into the open
and Caleb Downs had almost a shree string tackle that
saved a touch on.

Speaker 3 (01:11:02):
Like his his value and worth to the Ohio State defense.

Speaker 2 (01:11:07):
You know, It's like I said a few moments ago,
it's impossible to quantify. So I'm gonna stick with Caleb Downs.
I think he's going to be instrumental, especially against Notre
Dame tight end Mitchell Evans, who's a big receiving target
for Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:11:19):
Yeah, I'll have to watch the tight end obviously. I
am going to take the guy who has been getting
it done since the Indiana game, I mean, decent season
all year, but really has ratcheted things up since the
Indiana game.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
He just.

Speaker 1 (01:11:36):
Had one of the most iconic plays in Ohio State history.
I'm gonna go Jack Sawyer.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
I can't really blame him for that one.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
And considering the news that Notre Dame's offensive line has
sustained some injuries, Jack Sawyer might be up for another
big game, which would be tremendous.

Speaker 1 (01:11:52):
Yeah, if Ohio State's going to force Notre Dame to
throw the football, Jack Sawy is gonna have a good night, certainly.
All Right, So we're gonna go to the offensive side
of the ball, and I'm gonna go ahead and think
that Jeremiah Smith will bounce back and he'll hear all
the talk about how he was shut down, and I
think that's going to motivate the young man into having

(01:12:13):
a big game on the biggest stage. I'm gonna take Jeremiah.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
Okay, can't can't argue with that. So we're going to
be complete opposites. I'm taking your guy from this past week.
I'm taking Trevion Henderson. Looking at the stats. Looking at
the stats, Trevion Henderson is on the doorstep of a
thousand yards rushing and I realized, you know, we talked
about and I'm not going back on it how good

(01:12:40):
Notre Dame is, but I'm going to go out on
a limb and say that at some point Trevion Henderson
is going to be able to get enough yardage to
break the thousand yard rushing threshold, as well as the
fact I think he's going to be a matchup problem
for Notre Dame defensively as he's as he's demonstrated as
a receiver out.

Speaker 1 (01:13:00):
Of the backfield.

Speaker 3 (01:13:00):
So I'm gonna go with Travon Henderson.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
We've talked on this show about Traveon Henderson and how
he has been the better running back the last couple
of months, and at some point I expect Ohio State
to treat him like the better running back and give
him more carries than Judkins. But it just keeps not happening.

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
I just think that there's something about Judkins.

Speaker 2 (01:13:22):
I think that they they believe the Judkins between the
tackles is the more physical runner, and.

Speaker 3 (01:13:28):
I think, I really I don't think it's I think
they look at them as co starters.

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
I realized that, you know, and I think that they
just kind of look at Okay, Henderson is more of Okay,
let's bring in you know, Trey Uh Trevion after you know,
like so many plays or whatever, and that you know,
like maybe if the defense seems winded or it seems
like a good play to like the outside or something

(01:13:54):
like that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
I'm not disagreeing with what you said. I just think
that they like I think they like Judkins better between
the tackles.

Speaker 1 (01:14:00):
Well, and they should. But at the same time, maybe
just let the guy who's having success outside the tackles
keep having success outside the tackles. I mean, like every
week it just seems like Judkins has fourteen carries to
seven or Judkins has sixteen and Trayvon has six or eight.
Just every week though it seems like Henderson has more

(01:14:22):
yards and way more yards per carry. He is only
thirty three yards from a thousand. I think he gets it.

Speaker 3 (01:14:27):
Yeah, Like that's exactly what my thinking is to He might.

Speaker 1 (01:14:30):
Get it in one carry if he can break into
the clear.

Speaker 3 (01:14:34):
I wouldn't have a problem with that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:38):
Another stat that you know from our Picks to Click
that we'll be watching for is Jack Sawyer needs one
sack to get ten for the season and become the
second double digit sack player for that Silver Bullets Defenses.
J T two Moloa was already there.

Speaker 2 (01:14:56):
I'm gonna say, I know that he's your pick. He's
going to get it. He's going to get it, So
I have every confidence. You know, he was so close
so many times to making so many plays.

Speaker 1 (01:15:07):
On yours, who was just doing a really good job
of getting the ball out right as he got there.
It was good that he got a couple of deflections
who were good that he finally picked up his sack
late the game. I think he was also the guy
who hit yours when yours was falling and managed to
just flip the ball just split second before his knee

(01:15:28):
went down it And I also would like to check
in on an alternate universe to see what would have
happened if touoy Moloile hadn't got his hand on that ball,
because would it have even gotten to the intended receiver
because without that deflection, I don't know where that ball
would have even gone, right.

Speaker 3 (01:15:44):
I mean, I'm happy that that JT.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
You know, he was kind of hobbled, and you know,
with a week off, let's you know, hope for good
things that he'll be better Kenyata Jackson came in and
played well. But yeah, Jack Sawyer, I mean said it earlier,
you know, legendary, legendary performance, and you know, if anything,
it's going to be I'm gonna I'm gonna say that
he's going to get that sack against Notre Dame in

(01:16:09):
the National Championship.

Speaker 1 (01:16:11):
All Right, our last order of business, Chip is to
predict the score. What do you think is gonna be
on that scoreboard at the end of the night when
Ohio State plays Notre Dame.

Speaker 2 (01:16:20):
All Right, I'm going to say this is going to
be comparable to what we just went through with Texas
in the sense I think it's going to be. I mean,
this is going to be a street fight. This is
going to be you know, like physical. I think if
I'm Notre Dame, yeah, you have a good defense and
your offense is productive. But a good way to to

(01:16:42):
neutralize or slow down that Ohio State offense is to
really like try to continue to run the clock and
burn run, run the ball.

Speaker 3 (01:16:50):
And control the clock.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
So I'm looking at Ohio State in a close game,
I'm going to say, like just with with time constraints,
I'm going to say, Ohio State twenty eight, and I'm
gonna say Notre Dame.

Speaker 3 (01:17:11):
Seventeen.

Speaker 1 (01:17:12):
Okay, Chip, I'm scared of this game.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
You should be.

Speaker 1 (01:17:20):
This is for the National Championship. Is I am worried
about the trestle ball. I'm really really concerned about the defense,
really concerned about a quarterback who manages to pick up
five yards when it seems like you've got him trapped
in the backfield constantly. They've got really good skill players.

(01:17:41):
I don't think people realize how good those skill players.
If you want to go see how good their skill
players are, There's a touchdown pass that Great House scored
against Penn State where a jab step put a Penn
State player on the ground at the line of scrimmage,
and then after he caught the ball, he did the
same thing to the safety to send him wrong way,
and they scored without even being touched. That's the kind

(01:18:03):
of skill that they have. And I don't I think
that people are are overlooking that because they're getting caught
up and this is a team that lost to NIU.
They're not seeing that this team has evolved over the
course of the last couple of months.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
Oh yeah, I think all the talk about Notre Dame
losing to Northern Illinois should be completely forgotten because I
mean that that was in week two of the season.
You know, think back to you know, you know, they're
that Notre Dame team. You know Riley Leonard, you know

(01:18:38):
the story, you know of how poorly he played in
that game, and he went in h Marcus Freeman's office
the day after, and Marcus Freeman did the best thing
for him and put Riley.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
Leonard completely at ease. And Riley Leonard has not looked
back since. So, yeah, Notre Dame is a They're they're
jet I mean, this this is gonna be a really
good game.

Speaker 1 (01:19:02):
Yeah, most teams haven't even come close to them since then.
I think was Louisville was. I mean, Penn State ended
up playing close.

Speaker 2 (01:19:11):
But and USC at the tail end. But yeah, I mean,
you know it, they're they're just like just like in
two thousand and two close games.

Speaker 1 (01:19:21):
Yeah, all right, I've got to I've got to make
a decision. So I'm I mean, I guess it's worked
so far, but I don't like the way Ohio State
plays when the games are tight. Even in this Texas game,
I didn't like the way that they started handing the
ball off up the middle and tried to be Oh,

(01:19:42):
we're gonna We're just gonna power through them. It made
them predictable and it got them in trouble. I mean
it was. It was very close to a turnover on
that on that hit on Will Howard in the backfield,
his first time he'd been sacked in a long time,
and and he got sacked twice in that game. I
I'm going to take Notre Dame in this game, twenty six,

(01:20:02):
twenty four. I think it's going to be tight throughout.
I just don't like the way that Ohio State coaches
in these close games. So again, I hope I'm wrong.
I have been so far in the playoffs. But it's
it's the whole full circle story of Marcus Freeman against

(01:20:23):
Ohio State, the Ohio State product, the Trestle disciple. I
don't like this the way the storylines are stacking up.
And they stacked up really good in terms of Jack
Sawyer's favor this past week, but I don't like them.
So I'm I'm I'm nervous about this game. So this

(01:20:43):
is my nervousness speaking, and I say twenty seven to
twenty I'm sorry twenty six twenty four, which is almost
the same score I predicted against Texas, but I will
be happy to be wrong. Okay, you know, if Ryan
Day schemes up some way to score thirty or forty points,

(01:21:03):
I feel pretty good about Ohio State.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
Yeah, I just think, yeah, I think Ohio State they've
got a little i'll just say, like less than less
than by the time this drops less than a week.
But the fact that, Okay, they've had a physical game,
they're going to they know that they're going to have
another one. They've got time to look at what Texas did,

(01:21:28):
figure out what they could have done better, and I
think it's gonna be a great game, looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:34):
Yeah, all right, Well, you and I should probably remind
our audience that because next week's game is on Monday
night and we typically record on Sunday, we obviously aren't
going to put another show together before Monday's game because
we just did our Notre Dame previous what will we
even talk about. Also, I'm out of town this weekend,
so we're going to be back the week not next week,

(01:22:00):
the week after, so you won't get a show dropping
the morning after the game. It will be the following
week and that will be our season wrap up podcast.
And as many of you know, we go to an
off season schedule where we're doing a show once a
month and trying to just keep up with the off
season news, which since we're not recruiting guys, that seems

(01:22:23):
to be sufficient.

Speaker 3 (01:22:25):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:22:27):
So just letting our audience know we're we're going to
come back to our season wrap up two weeks from
the drop of this podcast, and then we'll be doing
the next show in February. So that's that's how things
are at the moment. And of course, if news warrants,
you know, Ryan Day takes a job in the NFL
or something and we need to talk about something big,

(01:22:48):
we'll reconvene as necessary, you know, as often is as
necessary as what I'm trying to say. So before we
get out of here, Chip, just please remind our listeners
where they can find you and your fine work on
the internet.

Speaker 2 (01:23:00):
I can be found on Twitter at Chipmanik. Last name
spelled m I N N I c H. And I'm
a contributor to Buckeye Huddle. Look for an article dropping
sometime later this week Thursday or Friday.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
Yeah, and congrats to your guys all over that Cotton Bowl,
you know, Tom and and Tony going down there and
just doing all the stories exactly. You can find me
on Twitter as well at Mike thirty six Fan. You
can also find this podcast on Twitter at Silver Bullets Pod,

(01:23:38):
but no E in Silver because it's one too many characters,
so it's s I l VR Bullets Pod on Twitter.
You can also find my work at Landgrant holy Land
dot com. This week you can find my Grumpy Old
Buckeye column. It dropped a day early because of the
game being played on Friday instead of Saturday, so you
can go see the things that gave me Texas sized

(01:24:00):
ulcers when the Buckeyes went deep in the heart of
Texas and came away with the victory. Obviously very very
happy with the outcome. Lots and lots of fantastic plays
by Ohio State, but it was it was a close game,
and there was there were plenty of things that were
annoying about the game, and not just the kirkhurve Street

(01:24:20):
saying junkins repeatedly or pointing out the fact that Ohio
State got away with a hold on a play when
Ohio State hasn't been the recipient of a hold the
other way in twelve games, and in fact was penalized
for holding multiple times in this game.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Yeah, like I said, hopefully something will change against Notre Dame.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Can only hope. Can you imagine if they if they
called twelve games worth of holding penalties on Notre Dame
in this game.

Speaker 2 (01:24:48):
I'm not looking for that. I'm just I'm looking for
it to be for it to be called. I mean,
like legitimately called, just just once.

Speaker 1 (01:24:57):
One for every game that wasn't called during the season.
So that's a lot because they only got again one
holding penalty on Ohio State penalty opponents all season long,
which seems unlikely. Yes, exactly, all right, Chip, we will

(01:25:17):
be back in a couple of weeks. We will talk
about this game, win or lose, and and hopefully hopefully
we'll be talking about the Ryan Day redemption cycle coming
for full circle.

Speaker 2 (01:25:31):
Yeah, that's I have a feeling that's going to happen.
But I understand your concerns.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
I'm always concerned, man, I'm a barrier.

Speaker 2 (01:25:39):
I get it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:40):
I get it. I'm the guy who sits there and
watches the the Purdue game with trepidation for you know,
a quarter and a half until it's like four or
five touchdown lead.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Well, hey, I mean you brought up the legitimate, you know,
trustle comparisons.

Speaker 3 (01:25:57):
My daughter you know who proud O High State alumn
now Friday night texting.

Speaker 2 (01:26:04):
Saying like, oh my god, that was a close game,
Like you know, I was, I was nervous, and I
had to remind her, Hey, two thousand and two National
Championship season was chock full of those.

Speaker 1 (01:26:13):
Games, like every every week.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
So yeah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
So that's that's the thing. It's this is this is
a it's not going to be easy. Ohio State opened it,
I think as a nine and a half point favorite.
I remember nobody thought of High State was going to
even play closely against Miami.

Speaker 3 (01:26:35):
Either, that's true.

Speaker 2 (01:26:38):
Now that's where again I think I think this team psychologically,
I think in comparison to that Hurricanes team, I think
the fact that you're not gonna I'd be shocked if
there was any flyers for you know, like National Championship
party celebrations distributed prior to to this game. Unlike those

(01:27:02):
Hurricane teams that you know, I think there was a
lot more bravado and swag than what Ohio State has.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Yeah, just remember, Ohio State breeze passed Tennessee and Oregon
and then everybody said Ohio State's going to cruise, And
this was not a cruise against Texas.

Speaker 2 (01:27:18):
No, it was not, so not at all.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
But enjoy it because it's the lass college football game
of the season, so we have to enjoy it precisely.
All right, guys, thanks for listening. We appreciate it. We'll
see you on the other side of this championship game
and hopefully we'll all be happy. But until then, we're
going to do the thing we always do at the
end and say, go Bucks, Go Bucks.

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