September 6, 2024 • 52 mins
Join Ev.O.Lution, Cory Kastle and I as we dig into the life and death of Albert Fish
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Speaker 1 (00:11):
What's happening? Everybody? Welcome back to JG's Lounge, and we
are back with another episode just sending eye sockets, except
this is a special edition called Scorched, where instead of
finding a unsolved crime, we are going to be discussing
serial killers with us. Tonight. We got our co host Evolution,
(00:32):
who's been on all of them for the most part.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How you do, man, doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's a beautiful day out. The Chiefs won game one
of the season, and I'm just pumped and ready to go.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah, of course, dude, it's always good when we win.
I'm sure Corey Castle down there was watching the Chiefs
game just as excited as we were.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh, just as just as.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
How you doing, man?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
The Eagles?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
The Eagles are playing and there they're opener tomorrow in Brazil.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So why would they pick two teams that were green
to go to a stadium where they can't wear green?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Can they not wear green?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Exactly, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Their soccer team where the stadium is hates the color green.
So part of it the deal was that they the
teams can't wear green. They've even at one point we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Do the color color is the grass? Well, color is
the grass.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
We're gonna find out tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You play soccer, you can't hate green that much.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I didn't look I didn't look too much into the details,
but my my eldest was telling me about it, and
I was like, are you serious? And I looked it up.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, man, they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know what color the teams are gonna wear.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's probably gonna be a different uniforms.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Do they call soccer football?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Is this gonna be just American football? Now coming again?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
They're in there in their European football stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's weird because this will be the first time that
Brazil's ever had any kind of like NFL, like well
football in general, besides soccer obviously, but.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Historic game.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. The teams are going to look
exactly the same. Watch They're gonna be so confused.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is not football. They're touching it with their hands.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Go ahead, bet high dollar amounts. They're they're they're spending
a bridge zillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
All right, So Corey man, how you been. You're you moved,
Your life's good, you're engaged, man. Congratulations?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Yeah, Congress all, yeah, it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How's the podcast? Are you still podcasting or are you
taking a little break since your mood?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I have been I've been on a break from my
podcast from Evolving with Corey Castle, but I've still been
doing I've been still doing the show with Lou the
Sunday Stepot and then we we just started a new
pro wrestling podcast called the stew Cast Wrestling Podcast and
(03:48):
we're about five five weeks into it. We we recorded
we recorded episode five yesterday.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, now do those other pres pretty.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So we go live.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
We go live on on YouTube on fans first, it's
like a it's like a Cleveland based, uh sports.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Talk sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
We we go live on their YouTube channel and go
on the recording of it then goes onto their podcast feed,
the RSS feed, so that would be their the combat
Zone network.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
All right, that's see, that's a totally difference.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's cool. Yeah, both.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I mean, we we pre record. We do pre record
the stupid so we we pre record. We will do
like we go at eleven o'clock, we record the stupot
that we then scheduled to come out on Sunday, and
then at twelve thirty is when we do when we.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Go live on on on the YouTube channel. Okay, it's
pretty neat, dude.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Right right, Man, Evolution, you had to show this morning
man how.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To go Oh man, it went super great. It was.
The numbers are awesome too, Man, really really really really good.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Show this morning. Uh, the guest I had just fit
right in with the the subject and the topic and
uh we hit it big.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, Man, I agree. I want to skimmed through some
of it, watch a bit of it, and numbers are
clearing a couple hundred already.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know, Corey, something I found out when you stream
live to Facebook, it's automatically private, so you have to
go in and change the live food to the public.
And I had no clue for the last four years
until that.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
There's also a good way to like enable the comments
to make a public like that makes the comments enabled
as a feature.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And just in the last couple of weeks we've seen
a jump in numbers.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I can't believe you didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, Like, I think it was two or three weeks ago.
Something happened. I think maybe I accidentally clicked something on
like edit post or something, and I clicked on the
edit privacy and it said private and I was like,
what the and I went to all of them. I'm
like this, I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And what a fun, fun flub.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Years. Man, I've done this for years and I always
wondered that. And now I mean, you're we're clearing hundreds
of yews in a day, you know, and they just
keep going. So I've been, you know, trying to take
the network and restreaming the older episodes and and fixing
you know that. And we've seen I mean just in
the last two weeks. I mean, our numbers are like this.
(06:50):
So it's great. It feels good, man, it feels good.
Thanks for telling me, Corey. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I didn't know. You didn't know. I used to were
you were a bigger pro with this than me.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Like you have people under you do it, like who
are answering to you? And like they're going to you
as their source for knowledge. Nobody comes to me and
asks me about features on streaming platforms. I mean, the
thing is I used to have my my co host,
(07:25):
lou we used we used to do he used to
like be my on my stream yard account and he
used to uh sometimes host you know, host the show,
so I didn't have to and like do that all
the other stuff. I'm too attention deficit to like pay
(07:46):
attention to like who's commenting, or like that dracts me
too much that like I'll make I'll like maximize the
screen and never look at the comments. But it's like
now now that we're doing it on on the fans first,
like stream yard and Lou's doing it that way, we're
(08:10):
not getting as many viewers on that YouTube page as
we would get if we if I could connect my
my Facebook and my YouTube and all that stuff. But
I can't see what he's doing, and I can't explain
to him what he's doing because he's fifty.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What are you trying to say.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I'm saying some about some dog and tricks and.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
All right, Well to get tonight guys. We also usually
have Sean Shank with us as well. I was hoping
to be the four of us. Sean had a very
busy day, so he's gonna be skipping out on this episode.
We're just fine, But everybody, thanks for tuning into the
show and making JJ's Lounge what it is, and hopefully
you guys enjoy tonight's show. Tonight, we're going to be
(09:09):
talking about Albert Fish. Are you familiar with Albert Fish?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, what do you?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
What do you think when you think see this guy?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Uh, it looks like one of those old school photographers
or doctors.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, some type of profession from the old days.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I gotta tell you right now. If that's who this
guy was, we want to be talking about him to.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Think he would take his hat off and his brain
would be showing.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So is he some type of physician?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Uh? No, close, he is. Uh what's the term for it.
He's a pseudomasochist.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Just a position, right, pseudo masochist, your sado massochist stato.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's what I meant to say. He's a sato masochist.
Are you familiar what's what that term is? Enlighten me
Corey might know correctly.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's like it's like you, it's like they fetishize pain.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Really, Yes, yes, he is a He is a sado massochist,
self inflicted and upon others. So tonight we're gonna be
talking about his life and some of the interesting things
that he's done.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Howard Fish was born Hamilton Howard Fish, May nineteenth of
eighty eighteen seventy to his parents.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Let's see here, and how did you stumble upon Albert?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Then?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So I do a lot of want to get his
winger pierced.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
There's some of that in this now we know the
origins of that. So actually I stumbled upon him because
I do research for all the other episodes of sinned
Ie Sockets, and he has popped up several times. But
it wasn't really the way that the flow of the
(11:22):
show went, because typically what we do is we find
unsolved crimes, we discussed the crimes and kind of come
up with our own theory of what happened. I was
wanting to do a separate show where we talk about
serial killers, and instead I decided of just doing like
a special Attention sined I Sockets episodes where every now
and then we'll just discuss serial killers and sort of
(11:42):
their upbringing in the crimes that they committed, and then
discussed how absurd they are. Okay, So Albert Fish was
born May nineteenth of eighteen seven to Randall Fish, who
was born in seventeen ninety five and Ellen Francis Howell,
who's born in eighteen thirty eight. So his dad was
forty three years older than his mother. Wow, yes, quite
(12:06):
quite a bit older. His dad, Randall, was a riverboat captain,
not very wealthy, but for some reason he so.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
A guy named Fish was a boat captain.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Geez, the riverboat captain. H He was of Scottish English ancestry,
and his mom was diagnosed with Wait, so you're.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Saying he was he would wait? Say what he was again?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Scottish, Scottish, Scottish.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
English, not Swedish.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
No. Did I say Swedish?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, but I heard Swedish because I wanted to say
Swedish fish.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, those are pretty tasty.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I was saying a lot about Swedish.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So there were three other children besides Albert. Albert was
the youngest, and the mom had some issues with some
medical issues that caused her to hallucinate. Her uncle had
mania and was confined to a mental institution along with
his brothers. His paternal half brother suffered from schizophrenia and
(13:17):
his sister Annie was diagnosed with mental affliction. So I
mean the family.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
This Swedish Fish had some sour patch kids.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So thank you for coming in on this episode, because
you're just going to this very deranged character here. So
on October sixteenth, eighteen seventy five, Fish's father died of
a heart attack. He was the bread he was he
was the breadwinner for the family. The mom couldn't hold
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down a job at the time, so she turned the
kids over to foster care in Washington, d C. Actually,
now this is about the time where Albert starts to
realize that he enjoys pain. He's getting physically beaten by
the nuns. He's getting beaten by the kids. He's even
(14:17):
beaten some of the kids. And he's only five, you know,
so he's he realizes that he enjoys the pain, like
he's getting pleasure from from the pain. At a very
very young age.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Very like developmental stage to have that trauma and that
you know, staying in as something that like recognition starts
to set it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He he lived there until he was ten, And he
even talks about the time when some kids tied up
a horse, poured gasoline on its tail and lit it
on fire and then released it, and and he talked
about how he found a whole new form of pleasure
(15:05):
from watching the horse running around with his tail on fire.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow, So yeah, like like Corey, like you said, very
early on, just already getting exposed. One of one of
his nicknames was ham and Eggs, which he he hated.
The name ham and Eggs. He used to cry about
it to the to those uh, to the nuns and
the people at the school or the orphanage.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
He liked that. Then he was like, I like that,
I'm crying.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And then about the age eleven, his mom got a
job and took the kids back. But by this time
Albert was I mean, he was totally different kid. He
was a chronic.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Bedweather hel on fire.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
He was.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
He was a chronic bedweather. He liked to drink his
urine and he met a telegraph.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Boy wasting it on the sheets.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He met a telegraph boy who introduced him into eating feces,
so he then got into eating his own feces. And
then he's twelve. He's twelve, So by the age of twelve,
I mean, he has not only I mean I at
the age of twelve, I was just starting to realize
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what boobs were and liking them. You know, this guy
has already gone through I mean, realizing what pleased him
and like this like physical pain, this verbal abuse, and
even these other kids doing it too. Like this whole
orphanage just sounds very corrupt. No kidding, What do you
(16:48):
guys got so far?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Uh? Wow? His his.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Family unit that he was in. I mean there's a
lot going on there. Second, logically and physically and emotionally.
I mean that right there is kind of a rough
start for anybody. And then for him to go to
the orphanage and pick up the the extracurricular activities that
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he picked up at ten years old. Man, I mean
this is not looking good at all, you.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Know, No, I mean it definitely. I don't want to
say that it makes up for any of the things
that he ends up doing later that we're about to
start getting into, but it's it definitely played on role
in his mental development becoming the way it did. Okay,
(17:45):
what do you got, Corey?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I have a hard time believing that.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
This guy ever believed in the Easter Bunny or Santa
Claus or had any type of like.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Normal right right, Like when you when you come up
like that, how how do you go like, oh, yeah,
I have I.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Have make believe ideas and I have fun and I
have wonder like what is howadays to somebody like that.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Like, right, that's strange.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah to the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, So it gets more pervers as he gets older
and he starts, you know, his mom talks about and
his siblings talk about how he would get caught sitting
at the table eating his species or bringing in the
room drinking his urine, and like inflicting pain on neighborhood
and animals. By time he's twenty eighteen ninety, Fish moves
(18:55):
to New York City, where he starts to engage in
male prostitution and even molesting and raping boys that were
under the age of six.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Wow, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's pretty gross. Man. It's
it's gruesome, and it's it's terrifying to think that.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did you find this information?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Where did you find Well, I'm currently on Wikipedia. I've
got three tabs open here. But he's he was known
as in New York City. He was actually known as
the Boogeyman for about nine years wow, because he was.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Also the peepe Man and the poopy Man.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
He was the gray Man, and he was the Boogiey
also known as the Boogeyman. Like kids, kids started going
missing and eighteen ninety eight, Fish's mom decides to do
an arranged marriage for him with a girl named Anna
Marie Mary Hoffman, who is nine years younger than him,
(19:59):
and they had they had six, six kids, huhm, which
is is crazy to think about. But later on, even
as kids talk about how kind of off he was,
and like one of his sons talks about he had
walked in on him beating himself with a paddle that
he had put nails in. Yeah, so he was. You know,
(20:23):
the kids were witnessing these things. I imagine the wife
knew too.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, she probably seen some really tripped out stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
I mean, I don't think he was a good dad.
I could imagine, right, he wouldn't have abused those kids, right,
real like, especially like because.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
He liked abusing, right, abusing herself.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
So maybe maybe when he change the diaper he's eating
those shirts.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Turns he was.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Also, he actually confessed when he was arrested that when
he was younger, after the horse incident, that he would
take cotton balls and soak them in kerosene and shove
them up his butt and light them on fire.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah that's healthy, right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Jeez ah, Man, it just keeps getting better. Okay, let's
see here.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
It should be the spot where we take a break
to Paul's first sponsor.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, no, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
This is cotton balls God.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
No. His first victim that he confesses to as a
nineteen year old boy that was basically a rail hopper,
which is a homeless kid I got mental disorders. This
is nineteen ten. And he took him in and they
both expressed interest in BDS and and you know, just
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bondage type sexual intercourse. And this goes on for a
couple months before Fish decides that there's not far away.
There's an old, apparent haunted home that was been abandoned
for years out in the middle of nowhere. So he
took this, takes his nineteen year old there, finds out
there's a room up in the attic that has a
(22:27):
key and locks, and he traps this kid in there
for two weeks and doesn't feed him and until he
gets so hungry that they start enjoying each other's feces urines.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
He talks about at one point. These are things that
he confesses after he gets arrested. So these are actually
his his confessions, Like he enjoyed doing this stuff so much,
he confessed about.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
But like there was probably zero evidence of it.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And it's like he was something he was being like
like accused of.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
He's like, all right, all right, you got me. I
was I was blocked this guy up.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Like He's like he was so addicted to the pain
and punishment that he was admitting to something that could
get him punished.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Right, Interesting, I kidnapped this guy. What are you gonna
do to me?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well? Yeah, and what do you got, evolist, she got something.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I just think that the point that Corey just made
it was an interesting take on it.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Most people would be like, I'm innocent, you know, I
didn't do these things that you accuse me of. But
I think Corey is onto something when he says the
guy's just confessing left and right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But what he did, uh probably looking for more punishment.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Uh yeah, he says that cont fetishism.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So during this time, he is a traveling painter, so
it was easy for him to find time to get way,
you know, and go to this house and torture this kid.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
He talks about putting twenty seven, not twenty seven he
put Uh. He was putting needles into the guy's rectum
and then drinking the blood from his ba hole from
his what from his bowl? Just rectalaria elish. I did
tell you this was gonna be a gory one.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You did?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You did?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
He talks about how he loved go ahead.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I want to recycle a joke that my my good
friend Nick Burke. My good friend Nick Burke told live
on Monday Night Raw.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
H he did.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
He did a segment on Monday Night Raw years ago
where he was playing a bad comedian and he said
that he said the joke on stage recked him, damn
near killed him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Did people actually laugh or did they mow him?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
No?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
The point was that it was supposed to be bad,
and it was supposed to have people going oooh like
it was for him.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
It was purposely bad for him.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
He Fish mentions that he said, I never, I shall
never forget his scream or the look he gave me,
So I never he's I initially intended to take him
up there to kill him, but when I realized there
was a key, I just kept him and tortured him
for two weeks. Uh. He talks about shoving needles into
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not only his wrecked him, but into his penis, like
straight through it, until the very end when he decides
to just rip his penis off all together, uh and
kiss him farewell. He says he took a train home
and never went back to check on him. He's I
don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Uh, probably nothing good.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I imagine he just did geez.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm sure there's more.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right, There's a lot more. Actually, let's see here. In
nineteen twenty seven, four year old Billy Gaffney disappeared from
his Brooklyn apartment building while playing with his neighbor friends
the Beaten Brothers, The Beaten b E A t O
N Brothers. According to the police, Billy described the perpetrator
(26:28):
Billy Beaton. How many others Billy Gaffney and Billy Beaton? Okay,
so it's a different Billy. I described the perpetrator who
took his friend as the Boogeyman. Eventually, Fish confesses to
not only abducting the child, but eating him.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yes, so now he is starting.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
He's beaten eating beaten.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
That shouldn't be funny, But this kid's name is Billy Gaffney.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
He was using So then let's take up funny away
from it already.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Dang it, I'm laughing out of you know, overwhelming disgust.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yes, he's He does confess, saying that he believes he
killed at least four hundred victims holy, mostly children and
teens who he thought want to be missed.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I wanted to be missed.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Wow, they thought wouldn't be missed.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I got yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Uh and then let's skip two.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
He kid, So he finds this letter in the news,
in the news of this kid looking for a job.
His name was Edward bud Man. These names are wonderful, right,
And he goes to Bud's house and talks to his parents,
says he's a farmer and he needs help on his farm,
and hires Bud and kind of gets close to the family.
(28:01):
But Edward has a younger sister who is ten years
old at the time, who fish decides to ask the
parents if he could take the daughter to his niece's
birthday party, which they agreed to because he got kind
of got close to him. As you guys saw the
picture of me, did it just kind of look like
an normal skinny ass dude. He said that he strangled her,
(28:27):
mutilated the body, and ate her remains over a nine
day period.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, and so next level evil type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
So he was never suspect. They did take in two
suspects that they thought were the killers, which makes no
sense to me, especially if the parents knew where he
you know that she went with him and then home.
So six years later he starts writing letters to the
family about the fact that he was in how much
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he enjoyed eating their daughter because he thought it would
bring some closure.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Right, And this is the I.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Mean that would be bring it, that would be bringing
more torture to them, and that's what he likes.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Of course, he's enjoying every bit of it. And this
is this is the little girl. This is the girl
that he took and her names me. Oh yeah, so
you did it wearing the evidence. Where are we at
so far?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Do what do you got?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wow? Cory, you want to go first?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I just think it's so funny with like the sub
genre of true crime and documentaries and how people get
addicted to There's a South Park episode about this genre
of true crime and they were calling it murder porn.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
And this with the crazy I bet I bet you.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There's plenty of like documentaries and stuff dedicated to this
guy and the acts that he's pulled.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
M HM.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
It's it's it's so funny because like time has changed
so much that like nobody, this sick could get away
with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But uh, it's it's grotesque, man, I mean at the
time of the time frame. But like let's break it
down here though, like the fact that he was introduced
to this so young, Like I'm not trying to cover
for this dude that at all, Like this dude needed
to be killed.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
You're you're a fish apologist, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But I mean out of such a young age. And
on top of that, you're talking about it his dad's
seventy three. Like there's there's medical information out there in
facts that say that over a certain age, you're sperm. Yeah,
you're still shooting, but they ain't the best sperm. Obviously,
all the kids had issues, his family had issues, and
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he and then he gets and then he gets thrown
into this orphanage where he's immediately being an afflicted pain
and enjoying it. Like that's right off the bat. I
mean he talks about a specific nun too that he
enjoyed the beaten the most from.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Wow, dude, I mean, how many people can have a
story that they get beaten in a bad way, like
by nuns.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Uh, but the direction.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Private, I mean in private schools for long time.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
You know that paddles Well, I mean, I guess to
kind of go further off of Corey's point, he enjoyed it,
so he would probably get in trouble on purpose, Yeah,
to get those type of beatings, and especially if he
had a particular nun. Did he like to be beaten
by more than the others. But beyond that, dude, you know,
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to count and calculate that you've done these type of
acts and violence to over four hundred people. Man as
that's insanely sick. But the I think what's even sicker
is nobody suspected him of this.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Right well, I mean, he just looks he's a scrawny
old man. Even the cops when they found him. I
do have let me get this one last one that
he confessed about out of the way, and then we're
just going to kind of go into details about some
of the stuff we talked about. Okay, nineteen before he
was executed. He was executed, but we'll get to that
towards the end. He did admit to the killing of
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eight year old France McDonald in nineteen twenty four Port Richmond,
who went missing after playing ball with the neighborhood kids.
His body was found hanging from a tree from his
suspenders and his body had suffered severe lacerations. So he
was he took chunks of this kid's skin to go
eat zez. So, I mean there's nobody introduced him to
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the cannibalism, but I mean, at the age of twelve,
he's interested in boys, a specific kid who enjoyed eating feces,
which doesn't help. Several of these orphanage kids are tying
up horses and lighting their tails on fire for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
The person who the person who showed him how to
eat poopy that he introduced deuced.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
One of the things that is funny though, is that
in court he was trying to go ahead, did you
have something else?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Oh, I was just gonna say, does it say how
he was executed? Does it say how electrocution? He probably
liked that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm sure he enjoyed every bit of it. He probably
ejaculated on himself during.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
The Jackie Looks cution.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But so the the eating the pieces is apparently when
they use that argument of insanity, they talked about the
eating of the peces, and the judge said that there
are people in government and Congress that are known to
have done like that. Do that like it's actual, an
actual thing that people do have issues doing.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, it's a call of duty.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But they basically they said that they couldn't use that
and as an excuse for insanity because of that.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yes, because people of Congress do that as well.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
It's it's been normalized, is normal. Yeah, that is pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
What's funny?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
What's funny about it?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
To now think about the fact that this all was happening,
it was all happening to this person, and you think
about like, and I'm not I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Say like that this wasn't terrible, but like.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Kids he called me fat, I'm I'm I'm triggered and
my life's ruined and I'm.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Gonna like now I'm gonna now on the live myself
over it. Like I think of like I think of,
like how soft did you and iterations have gotten?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
But way before, like social media was everything, so the
abuse that he got, you know, and even it was different,
you know what I mean? Like the abuse that that
people are subject to now and the cyber bullying and
all all that's I mean, that's that's its own thing.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
You're you're a product of your time.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
But like, if you look back to what one hundred
years ago, this guy was eating poop. This guy was
this kind of and people right and eating people and
like getting away.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
With it, and he was enjoying it. And I think
the getting away with it might have had a huge
part in it as well. And and when he talks
about one of the like the nuns that beating him
like the most, it's almost she might have enjoyed it too.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Oh yeah, I think I think that.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
I think that the authority authority figures who abuse their
power get off on it in in a way like
that's why the absolute power corrupts absolutely, Like that's that's saying.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's not saying for nothing, right, it's it's disturbing. What
do you got?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
What do you got? Evolution?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Uh. He definitely was.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
An awful example of a human being for many reasons.
I guess I have to say this because I was
thinking it. If you start at the age of ten
by drinking your own urine and eating your own feces.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
There's pretty much nothing else that you probably wouldn't try.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Uh right, These were worse even way before the like
at the age of five, it was bad.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yes, that's when he first found out that he enjoyed it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, so he was. He was scarred from the jump,
and he just magnified considerably in that direction.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I just.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I hate that this type of person would exist.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But I hated even more for all the people, countless
people who.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Kids, whose kids kids still have kids, that exist in
this timeline. Right, So, like that trauma has carried down generationally,
Like somebody catch up with his, his his his great
great grandchildren. Make sure they're not doing this to people.
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Make sure they're not cutting off kicks and eating.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Them, right right, it's and then so when he gets arrested,
they also found I want to show you, guys, this
he had. This is where the number twenty seven comes in.
This is his rectum. This is his rectum. Those are nails.
He enjoyed pain so much that he was shoving nails
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into his own rectum. Oh hey, somebody messaged me and
they said this where they said they found twenty seven
nails and his rectum. He enjoyed sitting on him. He
enjoyed the pleasure of it, so he.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Just left them in there, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
They said he initially said that he was putting him
in there and taking him out, but then he didn't
want to take him out anymore because he wasn't enjoying
it as much. So he was shoving them in there
so far that he couldn't get to him.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
This crazy. Wow.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
And I think about a one individual who like gets
a paper cut or a splinter, and it's just the
pain is just so annoying and aggravating from those minor things.
And here you have this individual literally putting nails inside
his body and leaving them there how to enjoyment of
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the pain. I'm like, that's next level, man.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
That.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Is I mean, like like Corey said, kind of the
levels of fetishes that are out now, Like they make
things for this kind of stuff too, but like this
is not I mean, he's talking about shoving needles through
through this guy to give him pleasure, you know, taking
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Like I doubt that guy wanted that. I doubt when
he took him into that room and locked him in there,
he was probably fine with getting locked in a room
because he was a homeless guy anyways. But some of
the stuff that you put him through, it's like, no,
I mean, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think all of the stuff that he put him through.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I mean he starved him for what twelve days, and
of course after twelve days, you if you're still there,
still alive, you're probably gonna eat anything that he puts
in front of you, which is probably exactly yeah, and
just whatever. From that point, you're lucky to be alive
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and have some company. So, I mean, it's twisted, it's
way twisted, but.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
It is well, No, they weren't screws, they were nails.
They're not screwed. They're not twisted.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh so yeah, man, I'm just saying, I'm so I
feel bad for all the people who were victimized behind
this person. I mean, what you do to yourself is
what you do to yourself. But when you pick miners
and uh, you can't.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
This guy, this Twitter is gonna come, Hey, stop king
shaming this guy.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It wasn't fetish, it wasn't his fault. It was everybody else.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And you know, the sad thing about what you will
just say is that's literally how.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
People are today.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
They would take his defense.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
They would call us toxic, not him, not them for
normalizing this, talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
It crazy in the story that's true.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Are the heterosexual cis gender males who are shaming this guy?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you only came after him because
he enjoyed little boys who came back then, who cares?
You know? I agree, I agree with both of you.
I guarantee you if this was today's society and he
was on trial and he even confessed to it, I
guarantee you, there would be a group of people that
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would say something about how he was raised and how
it wasn't his fault that he became a he did.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Mental illness is a thing, and like.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's so so.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I guess the question I need to ask right now
is when the heck is wrong with people who were
defend an individual like this. I mean, to me, there's
no defense, you know, there's just absolute positivitatively uh sickness
(43:33):
going on at one thousand percent and NonStop.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Go ahead, Cory, you got something.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
It's just people's like need, they're just sick need to
want to identify with something. You have, something they can
stand for, right and like and like oppose. They want
to have something that they can oppose your point with
their point that they're an.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Expert on us.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's just this.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
It's also a fetish and the craziest thing, the craziest
part about this that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
And I'm not I mean, there's not a whole lot
of information other than the kids were not surprised when
he got arrested. They weren't surprised, but the mom, which
they ended up separating in nineteen seventeen. But the mom
is all.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
But like that, it's with two teas.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Even the mom and the kids all said that he
did the best he could to take care of him
and at home he was actually a pretty decent father exact,
so he covered it. But I mean he was I
mean they kind of beating his own ass with nails
and then like they knew he was weird. They knew
that he had some issues, but they said that he
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did the best he could to take care of them
and food on the top.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Them in and he always kissed them good night.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
So basically where those lifts, those lifts were before he
put them to bed.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Wow, So I guess what I'm gathering from this is
the only place he was normal was with his own
kids and his wife.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, but was traveling, Yes, so he he was. The
States said that he was. He did do work in
twenty three different states. He was a traveling painter. He
so he could have done.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
All those things he was doing Bersark and that's really
probably why he looked innocent and nobody even considered him
because of it.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
He was there and gone before you knew it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
The only way that he actually ended up getting busted
is because he had a mailbox at a hotel m
and that he would come by once a month and
get his mail. And when he showed up as one
of the suspects, the one of the employees at the
hotel reported him and told him about it. So they
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staked out the place until he went in m H.
And when the cop showed up, he just catorally stood
up and turn himself in like I don't know, was
it was he ready like you know, maybe his he
enjoyed the thrill of not getting caught for so long
that it got to a point where he just was
ready to go, Like he didn't try to escape for nothing.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Hum. Again, I gotta revert back to Corey's.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Uh uh statement, and he's probably looking for a new punishment.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Right, what are you gonna do? What are youna do
with those cuffs?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Is that a taser on your side?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Please?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Please taste me?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Can can you tighten those cuffs a little bit tighter?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Throw with the key?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I still have circulation. Can you squeeze him a little tighter? Please?
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Do you have a smaller set of cuffs that can
try to pinch the skin when you do it this time?
Speaker 1 (47:06):
He was executed in nineteen thirty six for the death
of of three that they could pin him on.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
See, like sometimes you give people the electric chair. They
asked them what they want is their last meal?
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Hopefully it wasn't people.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Hopefully there's probably a bowl of pieces and you know,
some iron, glassy iron.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, you know, he probably never asked for anything because
he provided his own, right.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Jeez.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
They arrested him while he was drinking his own pea
and they said, freeze, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh man, the mind of a comedian, it's just so hacky.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
I'll probably getting so much trouble like comediens.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
So that's that's all I got for today's show, guys,
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's always That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, I hope it wasn't too much. I hope it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
It was.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
It was definitely too much, but it was definitely relevant.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
I hope.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
I hope that it gets all the tension that it
it deserves, and maybe somebody that shines light on this
person and they want to make a bio pic on.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Albert Fish if.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
There isn't already one, I wouldn't be surprised because, like,
for sure, that could be an entertaining click.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
There's several out there. Accurately, there's there's docu docu series
talking about it podcast.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
I will say this though, Juke Butts and Corey, if
somebody's watching this or have watched documentaries on Albert Fish
in the past, I hope it's not for them to
try to imitate.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
What he's already done. Yeah, I hope it is to.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Educate yourself on how somebody can become and do and.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And use that as reasons to do the opposite of
things that are right.
Speaker 5 (49:20):
And I would want to definitely interview the actor who
plays this guy in something who has to pretend like
he likes all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
This guy.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I think that there's something that you said about the
fact that there are like fetish porn out there, like
that that's that deep, and the fact that it's so
easy to access at such a young age. So I
think that that's also something that people, you know, parents
and stuff need to know to restrict what their kids watch,
make sure that they can't access these kind of things.
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I remember twelve years old sneaking out to look at
a playboy in the backyard, you know, and like that
was exciting, but like it was a newdi pick of
a chick just posing, you know. It wasn't some of
the things that you could easily find today by typing
in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Thing, you know, Google, and the Internet has no filter. Man,
you can literally access everything. There's a Worldwide Web, for sure,
and some of that stuff that's out there is really
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some insane stuff that people can get caught up in
or become attracted to for some weird, strange reason. But
I just hope for the majority of everyone in society
that this is, uh, I guess, confined to the people
(50:54):
who enjoy this type of stuff and doesn't affect anybody
who's in it or gets caught up in it by
being a minor or just some sick person thinking that
their life is not important and nobody will miss them.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
That's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah, you know, and Corey, I think something for you
as well, like being a wrestler. Uh, there's that one
video that I saw online. I think you were there
where somebody used like a weir, Yeah, as a stunt thing,
like people use like props and stuff to to inflict
(51:33):
pain for entertainment. And kids are into this kind of stuff,
or you know, watching it, but just making sure that
our kids know.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
Well it's labeled as ultra violence.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
That's you know, that's something people are really into these days.
And I mean now, with the accessibility to watch any
of the stuff that you want to watch, you could
be like, WHOA, I didn't realize I liked violence as
much as I like violence. It's dude, Back in nineteen twenty,
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this guy could have if he had the Internet back then,
he could have stumbled across the whole community of people
who were also into poop eating and whatever else.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Which could have actually kept him from doing the things
that he did.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
I mean, you know what, probably is a community for
people who eat poop and drink peat.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I guarantee you there is I don't want to think
about it, but yeah,
What's happening? Everybody? Welcome back to JG's Lounge, and we
are back with another episode just sending eye sockets, except
this is a special edition called Scorched, where instead of
finding a unsolved crime, we are going to be discussing
serial killers with us. Tonight. We got our co host Evolution,
(00:32):
who's been on all of them for the most part.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
How you do, man, doing great?
Speaker 1 (00:35):
Man?
Speaker 3 (00:36):
It's a beautiful day out. The Chiefs won game one
of the season, and I'm just pumped and ready to go.
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Man.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
Yeah, of course, dude, it's always good when we win.
I'm sure Corey Castle down there was watching the Chiefs
game just as excited as we were.
Speaker 4 (00:53):
Oh, just as just as.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
How you doing, man?
Speaker 4 (01:00):
The Eagles?
Speaker 5 (01:01):
The Eagles are playing and there they're opener tomorrow in Brazil.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
I don't I don't get that.
Speaker 1 (01:08):
So why would they pick two teams that were green
to go to a stadium where they can't wear green?
Speaker 4 (01:16):
Can they not wear green?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
No?
Speaker 2 (01:19):
Exactly, Yeah, so.
Speaker 1 (01:23):
Their soccer team where the stadium is hates the color green.
So part of it the deal was that they the
teams can't wear green. They've even at one point we're gonna.
Speaker 4 (01:32):
Do the color color is the grass? Well, color is
the grass.
Speaker 1 (01:36):
We're gonna find out tomorrow.
Speaker 4 (01:44):
You play soccer, you can't hate green that much.
Speaker 1 (01:49):
I didn't look I didn't look too much into the details,
but my my eldest was telling me about it, and
I was like, are you serious? And I looked it up.
Speaker 2 (01:57):
Yeah, man, they don't.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
I don't know what color the teams are gonna wear.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
It's probably gonna be a different uniforms.
Speaker 4 (02:06):
Do they call soccer football?
Speaker 2 (02:08):
So?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
Is this gonna be just American football? Now coming again?
Speaker 5 (02:13):
They're in there in their European football stadium.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
It's weird because this will be the first time that
Brazil's ever had any kind of like NFL, like well
football in general, besides soccer obviously, but.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
Historic game.
Speaker 1 (02:30):
Yeah, yeah, we'll see. The teams are going to look
exactly the same. Watch They're gonna be so confused.
Speaker 2 (02:38):
This is not football. They're touching it with their hands.
Speaker 4 (02:52):
Go ahead, bet high dollar amounts. They're they're they're spending
a bridge zillion dollars.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
All right, So Corey man, how you been. You're you moved,
Your life's good, you're engaged, man. Congratulations?
Speaker 5 (03:15):
Yeah, Congress all, yeah, it's great, it's great.
Speaker 1 (03:22):
How's the podcast? Are you still podcasting or are you
taking a little break since your mood?
Speaker 5 (03:27):
I have been I've been on a break from my
podcast from Evolving with Corey Castle, but I've still been
doing I've been still doing the show with Lou the
Sunday Stepot and then we we just started a new
pro wrestling podcast called the stew Cast Wrestling Podcast and
(03:48):
we're about five five weeks into it. We we recorded
we recorded episode five yesterday.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
Okay, now do those other pres pretty.
Speaker 4 (04:02):
So we go live.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
We go live on on YouTube on fans first, it's
like a it's like a Cleveland based, uh sports.
Speaker 4 (04:12):
Talk sort of thing.
Speaker 5 (04:14):
We we go live on their YouTube channel and go
on the recording of it then goes onto their podcast feed,
the RSS feed, so that would be their the combat
Zone network.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
All right, that's see, that's a totally difference.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
It's cool. Yeah, both.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
I mean, we we pre record. We do pre record
the stupid so we we pre record. We will do
like we go at eleven o'clock, we record the stupot
that we then scheduled to come out on Sunday, and
then at twelve thirty is when we do when we.
Speaker 4 (04:53):
Go live on on on the YouTube channel. Okay, it's
pretty neat, dude.
Speaker 1 (05:01):
Right right, Man, Evolution, you had to show this morning
man how.
Speaker 2 (05:04):
To go Oh man, it went super great. It was.
The numbers are awesome too, Man, really really really really good.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Show this morning. Uh, the guest I had just fit
right in with the the subject and the topic and
uh we hit it big.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
Yeah, Man, I agree. I want to skimmed through some
of it, watch a bit of it, and numbers are
clearing a couple hundred already.
Speaker 2 (05:35):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (05:35):
You know, Corey, something I found out when you stream
live to Facebook, it's automatically private, so you have to
go in and change the live food to the public.
And I had no clue for the last four years
until that.
Speaker 5 (05:49):
There's also a good way to like enable the comments
to make a public like that makes the comments enabled
as a feature.
Speaker 1 (05:59):
And just in the last couple of weeks we've seen
a jump in numbers.
Speaker 4 (06:04):
I can't believe you didn't know that.
Speaker 1 (06:07):
No, Like, I think it was two or three weeks ago.
Something happened. I think maybe I accidentally clicked something on
like edit post or something, and I clicked on the
edit privacy and it said private and I was like,
what the and I went to all of them. I'm
like this, I can't believe.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
And what a fun, fun flub.
Speaker 1 (06:26):
Years. Man, I've done this for years and I always
wondered that. And now I mean, you're we're clearing hundreds
of yews in a day, you know, and they just
keep going. So I've been, you know, trying to take
the network and restreaming the older episodes and and fixing
you know that. And we've seen I mean just in
the last two weeks. I mean, our numbers are like this.
(06:50):
So it's great. It feels good, man, it feels good.
Thanks for telling me, Corey. I appreciate it.
Speaker 4 (06:57):
I didn't know. You didn't know. I used to were
you were a bigger pro with this than me.
Speaker 5 (07:03):
Like you have people under you do it, like who
are answering to you? And like they're going to you
as their source for knowledge. Nobody comes to me and
asks me about features on streaming platforms. I mean, the
thing is I used to have my my co host,
(07:25):
lou we used we used to do he used to
like be my on my stream yard account and he
used to uh sometimes host you know, host the show,
so I didn't have to and like do that all
the other stuff. I'm too attention deficit to like pay
(07:46):
attention to like who's commenting, or like that dracts me
too much that like I'll make I'll like maximize the
screen and never look at the comments. But it's like
now now that we're doing it on on the fans first,
like stream yard and Lou's doing it that way, we're
(08:10):
not getting as many viewers on that YouTube page as
we would get if we if I could connect my
my Facebook and my YouTube and all that stuff. But
I can't see what he's doing, and I can't explain
to him what he's doing because he's fifty.
Speaker 1 (08:32):
What are you trying to say.
Speaker 5 (08:37):
I'm saying some about some dog and tricks and.
Speaker 1 (08:46):
All right, Well to get tonight guys. We also usually
have Sean Shank with us as well. I was hoping
to be the four of us. Sean had a very
busy day, so he's gonna be skipping out on this episode.
We're just fine, But everybody, thanks for tuning into the
show and making JJ's Lounge what it is, and hopefully
you guys enjoy tonight's show. Tonight, we're going to be
(09:09):
talking about Albert Fish. Are you familiar with Albert Fish?
Speaker 2 (09:14):
No?
Speaker 1 (09:16):
Well, what do you?
Speaker 4 (09:17):
What do you?
Speaker 1 (09:17):
What do you think when you think see this guy?
Speaker 3 (09:21):
Uh, it looks like one of those old school photographers
or doctors.
Speaker 2 (09:26):
Yeah, some type of profession from the old days.
Speaker 1 (09:32):
I gotta tell you right now. If that's who this
guy was, we want to be talking about him to.
Speaker 4 (09:38):
Think he would take his hat off and his brain
would be showing.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So is he some type of physician?
Speaker 1 (09:49):
Uh? No, close, he is. Uh what's the term for it.
He's a pseudomasochist.
Speaker 5 (10:00):
Just a position, right, pseudo masochist, your sado massochist stato.
Speaker 1 (10:05):
That's what I meant to say. He's a sato masochist.
Are you familiar what's what that term is? Enlighten me
Corey might know correctly.
Speaker 4 (10:15):
It's like it's like you, it's like they fetishize pain.
Speaker 1 (10:20):
Really, Yes, yes, he is a He is a sado massochist,
self inflicted and upon others. So tonight we're gonna be
talking about his life and some of the interesting things
that he's done.
Speaker 4 (10:35):
Okay, all right.
Speaker 2 (10:37):
So.
Speaker 1 (10:39):
Howard Fish was born Hamilton Howard Fish, May nineteenth of
eighty eighteen seventy to his parents.
Speaker 4 (10:49):
Let's see here, and how did you stumble upon Albert?
Speaker 2 (10:53):
Then?
Speaker 4 (10:55):
So I do a lot of want to get his
winger pierced.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
There's some of that in this now we know the
origins of that. So actually I stumbled upon him because
I do research for all the other episodes of sinned
Ie Sockets, and he has popped up several times. But
it wasn't really the way that the flow of the
(11:22):
show went, because typically what we do is we find
unsolved crimes, we discussed the crimes and kind of come
up with our own theory of what happened. I was
wanting to do a separate show where we talk about
serial killers, and instead I decided of just doing like
a special Attention sined I Sockets episodes where every now
and then we'll just discuss serial killers and sort of
(11:42):
their upbringing in the crimes that they committed, and then
discussed how absurd they are. Okay, So Albert Fish was
born May nineteenth of eighteen seven to Randall Fish, who
was born in seventeen ninety five and Ellen Francis Howell,
who's born in eighteen thirty eight. So his dad was
forty three years older than his mother. Wow, yes, quite
(12:06):
quite a bit older. His dad, Randall, was a riverboat captain,
not very wealthy, but for some reason he so.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
A guy named Fish was a boat captain.
Speaker 1 (12:18):
Geez, the riverboat captain. H He was of Scottish English ancestry,
and his mom was diagnosed with Wait, so you're.
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Saying he was he would wait? Say what he was again?
Speaker 1 (12:36):
Scottish, Scottish, Scottish.
Speaker 4 (12:39):
English, not Swedish.
Speaker 1 (12:42):
No. Did I say Swedish?
Speaker 5 (12:45):
No, but I heard Swedish because I wanted to say
Swedish fish.
Speaker 1 (12:48):
Oh okay, yeah, yeah, those are pretty tasty.
Speaker 4 (12:52):
I was saying a lot about Swedish.
Speaker 1 (12:55):
So there were three other children besides Albert. Albert was
the youngest, and the mom had some issues with some
medical issues that caused her to hallucinate. Her uncle had
mania and was confined to a mental institution along with
his brothers. His paternal half brother suffered from schizophrenia and
(13:17):
his sister Annie was diagnosed with mental affliction. So I
mean the family.
Speaker 5 (13:22):
This Swedish Fish had some sour patch kids.
Speaker 1 (13:30):
So thank you for coming in on this episode, because
you're just going to this very deranged character here. So
on October sixteenth, eighteen seventy five, Fish's father died of
a heart attack. He was the bread he was he
was the breadwinner for the family. The mom couldn't hold
(13:54):
down a job at the time, so she turned the
kids over to foster care in Washington, d C. Actually,
now this is about the time where Albert starts to
realize that he enjoys pain. He's getting physically beaten by
the nuns. He's getting beaten by the kids. He's even
(14:17):
beaten some of the kids. And he's only five, you know,
so he's he realizes that he enjoys the pain, like
he's getting pleasure from from the pain. At a very
very young age.
Speaker 5 (14:29):
Very like developmental stage to have that trauma and that
you know, staying in as something that like recognition starts
to set it.
Speaker 4 (14:43):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (14:44):
He he lived there until he was ten, And he
even talks about the time when some kids tied up
a horse, poured gasoline on its tail and lit it
on fire and then released it, and and he talked
about how he found a whole new form of pleasure
(15:05):
from watching the horse running around with his tail on fire.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
That's crazy.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
Wow, So yeah, like like Corey, like you said, very
early on, just already getting exposed. One of one of
his nicknames was ham and Eggs, which he he hated.
The name ham and Eggs. He used to cry about
it to the to those uh, to the nuns and
the people at the school or the orphanage.
Speaker 4 (15:31):
He liked that. Then he was like, I like that,
I'm crying.
Speaker 1 (15:38):
And then about the age eleven, his mom got a
job and took the kids back. But by this time
Albert was I mean, he was totally different kid. He
was a chronic.
Speaker 4 (15:50):
Bedweather hel on fire.
Speaker 2 (15:54):
He was.
Speaker 1 (15:55):
He was a chronic bedweather. He liked to drink his
urine and he met a telegraph.
Speaker 4 (16:03):
Boy wasting it on the sheets.
Speaker 1 (16:07):
He met a telegraph boy who introduced him into eating feces,
so he then got into eating his own feces. And
then he's twelve. He's twelve, So by the age of twelve,
I mean, he has not only I mean I at
the age of twelve, I was just starting to realize
(16:27):
what boobs were and liking them. You know, this guy
has already gone through I mean, realizing what pleased him
and like this like physical pain, this verbal abuse, and
even these other kids doing it too. Like this whole
orphanage just sounds very corrupt. No kidding, What do you
(16:48):
guys got so far?
Speaker 2 (16:50):
Uh? Wow? His his.
Speaker 3 (16:55):
Family unit that he was in. I mean there's a
lot going on there. Second, logically and physically and emotionally.
I mean that right there is kind of a rough
start for anybody. And then for him to go to
the orphanage and pick up the the extracurricular activities that
(17:17):
he picked up at ten years old. Man, I mean
this is not looking good at all, you.
Speaker 1 (17:25):
Know, No, I mean it definitely. I don't want to
say that it makes up for any of the things
that he ends up doing later that we're about to
start getting into, but it's it definitely played on role
in his mental development becoming the way it did. Okay,
(17:45):
what do you got, Corey?
Speaker 4 (17:47):
I have a hard time believing that.
Speaker 5 (17:52):
This guy ever believed in the Easter Bunny or Santa
Claus or had any type of like.
Speaker 4 (17:59):
Normal right right, Like when you when you come up
like that, how how do you go like, oh, yeah,
I have I.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Have make believe ideas and I have fun and I
have wonder like what is howadays to somebody like that.
Speaker 4 (18:21):
Like, right, that's strange.
Speaker 2 (18:24):
Yeah to the Yeah.
Speaker 1 (18:28):
Yeah, So it gets more pervers as he gets older
and he starts, you know, his mom talks about and
his siblings talk about how he would get caught sitting
at the table eating his species or bringing in the
room drinking his urine, and like inflicting pain on neighborhood
and animals. By time he's twenty eighteen ninety, Fish moves
(18:55):
to New York City, where he starts to engage in
male prostitution and even molesting and raping boys that were
under the age of six.
Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:07):
Wow, Yeah, it's yeah, it's it's pretty gross. Man. It's
it's gruesome, and it's it's terrifying to think that.
Speaker 4 (19:16):
Did you find this information?
Speaker 1 (19:18):
Where did you find Well, I'm currently on Wikipedia. I've
got three tabs open here. But he's he was known
as in New York City. He was actually known as
the Boogeyman for about nine years wow, because he was.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Also the peepe Man and the poopy Man.
Speaker 1 (19:37):
He was the gray Man, and he was the Boogiey
also known as the Boogeyman. Like kids, kids started going
missing and eighteen ninety eight, Fish's mom decides to do
an arranged marriage for him with a girl named Anna
Marie Mary Hoffman, who is nine years younger than him,
(19:59):
and they had they had six, six kids, huhm, which
is is crazy to think about. But later on, even
as kids talk about how kind of off he was,
and like one of his sons talks about he had
walked in on him beating himself with a paddle that
he had put nails in. Yeah, so he was. You know,
(20:23):
the kids were witnessing these things. I imagine the wife
knew too.
Speaker 2 (20:28):
Yeah, she probably seen some really tripped out stuff.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
I mean, I don't think he was a good dad.
I could imagine, right, he wouldn't have abused those kids, right,
real like, especially like because.
Speaker 2 (20:48):
He liked abusing, right, abusing herself.
Speaker 5 (20:55):
So maybe maybe when he change the diaper he's eating
those shirts.
Speaker 4 (21:04):
Turns he was.
Speaker 1 (21:07):
Also, he actually confessed when he was arrested that when
he was younger, after the horse incident, that he would
take cotton balls and soak them in kerosene and shove
them up his butt and light them on fire.
Speaker 2 (21:22):
Yeah that's healthy, right.
Speaker 1 (21:26):
Jeez ah, Man, it just keeps getting better. Okay, let's
see here.
Speaker 4 (21:34):
It should be the spot where we take a break
to Paul's first sponsor.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
No, no, okay, so.
Speaker 4 (21:41):
This is cotton balls God.
Speaker 1 (21:43):
No. His first victim that he confesses to as a
nineteen year old boy that was basically a rail hopper,
which is a homeless kid I got mental disorders. This
is nineteen ten. And he took him in and they
both expressed interest in BDS and and you know, just
(22:06):
bondage type sexual intercourse. And this goes on for a
couple months before Fish decides that there's not far away.
There's an old, apparent haunted home that was been abandoned
for years out in the middle of nowhere. So he
took this, takes his nineteen year old there, finds out
there's a room up in the attic that has a
(22:27):
key and locks, and he traps this kid in there
for two weeks and doesn't feed him and until he
gets so hungry that they start enjoying each other's feces urines.
Speaker 5 (22:41):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (22:41):
He talks about at one point. These are things that
he confesses after he gets arrested. So these are actually
his his confessions, Like he enjoyed doing this stuff so much,
he confessed about.
Speaker 4 (22:52):
But like there was probably zero evidence of it.
Speaker 5 (22:56):
And it's like he was something he was being like
like accused of.
Speaker 4 (23:02):
He's like, all right, all right, you got me. I
was I was blocked this guy up.
Speaker 5 (23:07):
Like He's like he was so addicted to the pain
and punishment that he was admitting to something that could
get him punished.
Speaker 4 (23:17):
Right, Interesting, I kidnapped this guy. What are you gonna
do to me?
Speaker 1 (23:26):
Well? Yeah, and what do you got, evolist, she got something.
Speaker 2 (23:29):
I just think that the point that Corey just made
it was an interesting take on it.
Speaker 3 (23:34):
Most people would be like, I'm innocent, you know, I
didn't do these things that you accuse me of. But
I think Corey is onto something when he says the
guy's just confessing left and right.
Speaker 2 (23:46):
But what he did, uh probably looking for more punishment.
Speaker 4 (23:50):
Uh yeah, he says that cont fetishism.
Speaker 1 (23:55):
So during this time, he is a traveling painter, so
it was easy for him to find time to get way,
you know, and go to this house and torture this kid.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
He talks about putting twenty seven, not twenty seven he
put Uh. He was putting needles into the guy's rectum
and then drinking the blood from his ba hole from
his what from his bowl? Just rectalaria elish. I did
tell you this was gonna be a gory one.
Speaker 2 (24:24):
You did?
Speaker 4 (24:26):
You did?
Speaker 1 (24:30):
He talks about how he loved go ahead.
Speaker 5 (24:35):
I want to recycle a joke that my my good
friend Nick Burke. My good friend Nick Burke told live
on Monday Night Raw.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
H he did.
Speaker 5 (24:45):
He did a segment on Monday Night Raw years ago
where he was playing a bad comedian and he said
that he said the joke on stage recked him, damn
near killed him.
Speaker 1 (25:02):
Did people actually laugh or did they mow him?
Speaker 4 (25:04):
No?
Speaker 5 (25:04):
The point was that it was supposed to be bad,
and it was supposed to have people going oooh like
it was for him.
Speaker 4 (25:11):
It was purposely bad for him.
Speaker 1 (25:15):
He Fish mentions that he said, I never, I shall
never forget his scream or the look he gave me,
So I never he's I initially intended to take him
up there to kill him, but when I realized there
was a key, I just kept him and tortured him
for two weeks. Uh. He talks about shoving needles into
(25:35):
not only his wrecked him, but into his penis, like
straight through it, until the very end when he decides
to just rip his penis off all together, uh and
kiss him farewell. He says he took a train home
and never went back to check on him. He's I
don't know what happened.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Uh, probably nothing good.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
I imagine he just did geez.
Speaker 2 (26:00):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:03):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
I'm sure there's more.
Speaker 1 (26:06):
Right, There's a lot more. Actually, let's see here. In
nineteen twenty seven, four year old Billy Gaffney disappeared from
his Brooklyn apartment building while playing with his neighbor friends
the Beaten Brothers, The Beaten b E A t O
N Brothers. According to the police, Billy described the perpetrator
(26:28):
Billy Beaton. How many others Billy Gaffney and Billy Beaton? Okay,
so it's a different Billy. I described the perpetrator who
took his friend as the Boogeyman. Eventually, Fish confesses to
not only abducting the child, but eating him.
Speaker 2 (26:45):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (26:46):
Yes, so now he is starting.
Speaker 4 (26:48):
He's beaten eating beaten.
Speaker 1 (26:51):
That shouldn't be funny, But this kid's name is Billy Gaffney.
Speaker 5 (26:55):
He was using So then let's take up funny away
from it already.
Speaker 3 (27:01):
Dang it, I'm laughing out of you know, overwhelming disgust.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Yes, he's He does confess, saying that he believes he
killed at least four hundred victims holy, mostly children and
teens who he thought want to be missed.
Speaker 2 (27:25):
I wanted to be missed.
Speaker 1 (27:26):
Wow, they thought wouldn't be missed.
Speaker 2 (27:31):
I got yeah.
Speaker 1 (27:32):
Uh and then let's skip two.
Speaker 2 (27:37):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (27:38):
He kid, So he finds this letter in the news,
in the news of this kid looking for a job.
His name was Edward bud Man. These names are wonderful, right,
And he goes to Bud's house and talks to his parents,
says he's a farmer and he needs help on his farm,
and hires Bud and kind of gets close to the family.
(28:01):
But Edward has a younger sister who is ten years
old at the time, who fish decides to ask the
parents if he could take the daughter to his niece's
birthday party, which they agreed to because he got kind
of got close to him. As you guys saw the
picture of me, did it just kind of look like
an normal skinny ass dude. He said that he strangled her,
(28:27):
mutilated the body, and ate her remains over a nine
day period.
Speaker 5 (28:34):
Wow.
Speaker 3 (28:35):
Yeah, and so next level evil type of stuff.
Speaker 1 (28:41):
So he was never suspect. They did take in two
suspects that they thought were the killers, which makes no
sense to me, especially if the parents knew where he
you know that she went with him and then home.
So six years later he starts writing letters to the
family about the fact that he was in how much
(29:04):
he enjoyed eating their daughter because he thought it would
bring some closure.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
Wow.
Speaker 1 (29:13):
Right, And this is the I.
Speaker 5 (29:16):
Mean that would be bring it, that would be bringing
more torture to them, and that's what he likes.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
Of course, he's enjoying every bit of it. And this
is this is the little girl. This is the girl
that he took and her names me. Oh yeah, so
you did it wearing the evidence. Where are we at
so far?
Speaker 2 (29:41):
Guys?
Speaker 1 (29:41):
Do what do you got?
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Wow? Cory, you want to go first?
Speaker 5 (29:47):
I just think it's so funny with like the sub
genre of true crime and documentaries and how people get
addicted to There's a South Park episode about this genre
of true crime and they were calling it murder porn.
Speaker 4 (30:09):
And this with the crazy I bet I bet you.
Speaker 5 (30:16):
There's plenty of like documentaries and stuff dedicated to this
guy and the acts that he's pulled.
Speaker 2 (30:22):
M HM.
Speaker 5 (30:23):
It's it's it's so funny because like time has changed
so much that like nobody, this sick could get away
with this kind of stuff.
Speaker 1 (30:33):
But uh, it's it's grotesque, man, I mean at the
time of the time frame. But like let's break it
down here though, like the fact that he was introduced
to this so young, Like I'm not trying to cover
for this dude that at all, Like this dude needed
to be killed.
Speaker 4 (30:54):
You're you're a fish apologist, That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (30:58):
But I mean out of such a young age. And
on top of that, you're talking about it his dad's
seventy three. Like there's there's medical information out there in
facts that say that over a certain age, you're sperm. Yeah,
you're still shooting, but they ain't the best sperm. Obviously,
all the kids had issues, his family had issues, and
(31:21):
he and then he gets and then he gets thrown
into this orphanage where he's immediately being an afflicted pain
and enjoying it. Like that's right off the bat. I
mean he talks about a specific nun too that he
enjoyed the beaten the most from.
Speaker 3 (31:39):
Wow, dude, I mean, how many people can have a
story that they get beaten in a bad way, like
by nuns.
Speaker 2 (31:49):
Uh, but the direction.
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Private, I mean in private schools for long time.
Speaker 3 (31:55):
You know that paddles Well, I mean, I guess to
kind of go further off of Corey's point, he enjoyed it,
so he would probably get in trouble on purpose, Yeah,
to get those type of beatings, and especially if he
had a particular nun. Did he like to be beaten
by more than the others. But beyond that, dude, you know,
(32:21):
to count and calculate that you've done these type of
acts and violence to over four hundred people. Man as
that's insanely sick. But the I think what's even sicker
is nobody suspected him of this.
Speaker 1 (32:37):
Right well, I mean, he just looks he's a scrawny
old man. Even the cops when they found him. I
do have let me get this one last one that
he confessed about out of the way, and then we're
just going to kind of go into details about some
of the stuff we talked about. Okay, nineteen before he
was executed. He was executed, but we'll get to that
towards the end. He did admit to the killing of
(33:00):
eight year old France McDonald in nineteen twenty four Port Richmond,
who went missing after playing ball with the neighborhood kids.
His body was found hanging from a tree from his
suspenders and his body had suffered severe lacerations. So he
was he took chunks of this kid's skin to go
eat zez. So, I mean there's nobody introduced him to
(33:25):
the cannibalism, but I mean, at the age of twelve,
he's interested in boys, a specific kid who enjoyed eating feces,
which doesn't help. Several of these orphanage kids are tying
up horses and lighting their tails on fire for whatever reason.
Speaker 4 (33:48):
The person who the person who showed him how to
eat poopy that he introduced deuced.
Speaker 2 (34:02):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (34:03):
One of the things that is funny though, is that
in court he was trying to go ahead, did you
have something else?
Speaker 4 (34:11):
Oh, I was just gonna say, does it say how
he was executed? Does it say how electrocution? He probably
liked that.
Speaker 1 (34:20):
I'm sure he enjoyed every bit of it. He probably
ejaculated on himself during.
Speaker 4 (34:24):
The Jackie Looks cution.
Speaker 1 (34:30):
But so the the eating the pieces is apparently when
they use that argument of insanity, they talked about the
eating of the peces, and the judge said that there
are people in government and Congress that are known to
have done like that. Do that like it's actual, an
actual thing that people do have issues doing.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
Yeah, it's a call of duty.
Speaker 1 (34:59):
But they basically they said that they couldn't use that
and as an excuse for insanity because of that.
Speaker 3 (35:07):
Yes, because people of Congress do that as well.
Speaker 4 (35:12):
It's it's been normalized, is normal. Yeah, that is pretty scary.
Speaker 2 (35:21):
What's funny?
Speaker 4 (35:22):
What's funny about it?
Speaker 5 (35:23):
To now think about the fact that this all was happening,
it was all happening to this person, and you think
about like, and I'm not I'm not trying to I'm
not trying to.
Speaker 4 (35:35):
Say like that this wasn't terrible, but like.
Speaker 5 (35:43):
Kids he called me fat, I'm I'm I'm triggered and
my life's ruined and I'm.
Speaker 4 (35:50):
Gonna like now I'm gonna now on the live myself
over it. Like I think of like I think of,
like how soft did you and iterations have gotten?
Speaker 2 (36:01):
You know what I mean?
Speaker 5 (36:02):
But way before, like social media was everything, so the
abuse that he got, you know, and even it was different,
you know what I mean? Like the abuse that that
people are subject to now and the cyber bullying and
all all that's I mean, that's that's its own thing.
Speaker 4 (36:23):
You're you're a product of your time.
Speaker 5 (36:26):
But like, if you look back to what one hundred
years ago, this guy was eating poop. This guy was
this kind of and people right and eating people and
like getting away.
Speaker 1 (36:43):
With it, and he was enjoying it. And I think
the getting away with it might have had a huge
part in it as well. And and when he talks
about one of the like the nuns that beating him
like the most, it's almost she might have enjoyed it too.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
Wow.
Speaker 4 (37:02):
Oh yeah, I think I think that.
Speaker 5 (37:05):
I think that the authority authority figures who abuse their
power get off on it in in a way like
that's why the absolute power corrupts absolutely, Like that's that's saying.
Speaker 4 (37:24):
It's not saying for nothing, right, it's it's disturbing. What
do you got?
Speaker 1 (37:29):
What do you got? Evolution?
Speaker 2 (37:31):
Uh. He definitely was.
Speaker 3 (37:36):
An awful example of a human being for many reasons.
I guess I have to say this because I was
thinking it. If you start at the age of ten
by drinking your own urine and eating your own feces.
Speaker 2 (37:53):
There's pretty much nothing else that you probably wouldn't try.
Speaker 5 (37:57):
Uh right, These were worse even way before the like
at the age of five, it was bad.
Speaker 1 (38:04):
Yes, that's when he first found out that he enjoyed it,
you know.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Yeah, so he was. He was scarred from the jump,
and he just magnified considerably in that direction.
Speaker 2 (38:21):
I just.
Speaker 3 (38:23):
I hate that this type of person would exist.
Speaker 2 (38:28):
But I hated even more for all the people, countless
people who.
Speaker 5 (38:34):
Kids, whose kids kids still have kids, that exist in
this timeline. Right, So, like that trauma has carried down generationally,
Like somebody catch up with his, his his his great
great grandchildren. Make sure they're not doing this to people.
(38:56):
Make sure they're not cutting off kicks and eating.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
Them, right right, it's and then so when he gets arrested,
they also found I want to show you, guys, this
he had. This is where the number twenty seven comes in.
This is his rectum. This is his rectum. Those are nails.
He enjoyed pain so much that he was shoving nails
(39:24):
into his own rectum. Oh hey, somebody messaged me and
they said this where they said they found twenty seven
nails and his rectum. He enjoyed sitting on him. He
enjoyed the pleasure of it, so he.
Speaker 2 (39:38):
Just left them in there, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1 (39:42):
They said he initially said that he was putting him
in there and taking him out, but then he didn't
want to take him out anymore because he wasn't enjoying
it as much. So he was shoving them in there
so far that he couldn't get to him.
Speaker 2 (39:55):
This crazy. Wow.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
And I think about a one individual who like gets
a paper cut or a splinter, and it's just the
pain is just so annoying and aggravating from those minor things.
And here you have this individual literally putting nails inside
his body and leaving them there how to enjoyment of
(40:22):
the pain. I'm like, that's next level, man.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
That.
Speaker 1 (40:28):
Is I mean, like like Corey said, kind of the
levels of fetishes that are out now, Like they make
things for this kind of stuff too, but like this
is not I mean, he's talking about shoving needles through
through this guy to give him pleasure, you know, taking
(40:48):
Like I doubt that guy wanted that. I doubt when
he took him into that room and locked him in there,
he was probably fine with getting locked in a room
because he was a homeless guy anyways. But some of
the stuff that you put him through, it's like, no,
I mean, there's no way.
Speaker 2 (41:01):
I think all of the stuff that he put him through.
Speaker 3 (41:03):
I mean he starved him for what twelve days, and
of course after twelve days, you if you're still there,
still alive, you're probably gonna eat anything that he puts
in front of you, which is probably exactly yeah, and
just whatever. From that point, you're lucky to be alive
(41:26):
and have some company. So, I mean, it's twisted, it's
way twisted, but.
Speaker 5 (41:32):
It is well, No, they weren't screws, they were nails.
They're not screwed. They're not twisted.
Speaker 3 (41:40):
Oh so yeah, man, I'm just saying, I'm so I
feel bad for all the people who were victimized behind
this person. I mean, what you do to yourself is
what you do to yourself. But when you pick miners
and uh, you can't.
Speaker 5 (42:00):
This guy, this Twitter is gonna come, Hey, stop king
shaming this guy.
Speaker 1 (42:06):
It wasn't fetish, it wasn't his fault. It was everybody else.
Speaker 3 (42:10):
And you know, the sad thing about what you will
just say is that's literally how.
Speaker 4 (42:15):
People are today.
Speaker 2 (42:17):
They would take his defense.
Speaker 5 (42:19):
They would call us toxic, not him, not them for
normalizing this, talking about.
Speaker 1 (42:26):
It crazy in the story that's true.
Speaker 5 (42:30):
Are the heterosexual cis gender males who are shaming this guy?
Speaker 1 (42:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're you only came after him because
he enjoyed little boys who came back then, who cares?
You know? I agree, I agree with both of you.
I guarantee you if this was today's society and he
was on trial and he even confessed to it, I
guarantee you, there would be a group of people that
(42:57):
would say something about how he was raised and how
it wasn't his fault that he became a he did.
Speaker 4 (43:03):
Mental illness is a thing, and like.
Speaker 2 (43:08):
It's so so.
Speaker 3 (43:10):
I guess the question I need to ask right now
is when the heck is wrong with people who were
defend an individual like this. I mean, to me, there's
no defense, you know, there's just absolute positivitatively uh sickness
(43:33):
going on at one thousand percent and NonStop.
Speaker 1 (43:39):
Go ahead, Cory, you got something.
Speaker 5 (43:41):
It's just people's like need, they're just sick need to
want to identify with something. You have, something they can
stand for, right and like and like oppose. They want
to have something that they can oppose your point with
their point that they're an.
Speaker 4 (43:58):
Expert on us.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
It's just this.
Speaker 7 (44:03):
It's also a fetish and the craziest thing, the craziest
part about this that we haven't talked about.
Speaker 1 (44:13):
And I'm not I mean, there's not a whole lot
of information other than the kids were not surprised when
he got arrested. They weren't surprised, but the mom, which
they ended up separating in nineteen seventeen. But the mom
is all.
Speaker 5 (44:26):
But like that, it's with two teas.
Speaker 1 (44:31):
Even the mom and the kids all said that he
did the best he could to take care of him
and at home he was actually a pretty decent father exact,
so he covered it. But I mean he was I
mean they kind of beating his own ass with nails
and then like they knew he was weird. They knew
that he had some issues, but they said that he
(44:53):
did the best he could to take care of them
and food on the top.
Speaker 4 (44:56):
Them in and he always kissed them good night.
Speaker 1 (45:00):
So basically where those lifts, those lifts were before he
put them to bed.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
Wow, So I guess what I'm gathering from this is
the only place he was normal was with his own
kids and his wife.
Speaker 1 (45:14):
Yeah, but was traveling, Yes, so he he was. The
States said that he was. He did do work in
twenty three different states. He was a traveling painter. He
so he could have done.
Speaker 3 (45:29):
All those things he was doing Bersark and that's really
probably why he looked innocent and nobody even considered him
because of it.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
He was there and gone before you knew it.
Speaker 1 (45:39):
The only way that he actually ended up getting busted
is because he had a mailbox at a hotel m
and that he would come by once a month and
get his mail. And when he showed up as one
of the suspects, the one of the employees at the
hotel reported him and told him about it. So they
(46:00):
staked out the place until he went in m H.
And when the cop showed up, he just catorally stood
up and turn himself in like I don't know, was
it was he ready like you know, maybe his he
enjoyed the thrill of not getting caught for so long
that it got to a point where he just was
ready to go, Like he didn't try to escape for nothing.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Hum. Again, I gotta revert back to Corey's.
Speaker 3 (46:28):
Uh uh statement, and he's probably looking for a new punishment.
Speaker 1 (46:35):
Right, what are you gonna do? What are youna do
with those cuffs?
Speaker 2 (46:43):
Is that?
Speaker 1 (46:43):
Is that a taser on your side?
Speaker 2 (46:44):
Please?
Speaker 1 (46:45):
Please taste me?
Speaker 2 (46:46):
Can can you tighten those cuffs a little bit tighter?
Speaker 1 (46:51):
Throw with the key?
Speaker 2 (46:53):
I still have circulation. Can you squeeze him a little tighter? Please?
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Do you have a smaller set of cuffs that can
try to pinch the skin when you do it this time?
Speaker 1 (47:06):
He was executed in nineteen thirty six for the death
of of three that they could pin him on.
Speaker 5 (47:14):
See, like sometimes you give people the electric chair. They
asked them what they want is their last meal?
Speaker 4 (47:21):
Hopefully it wasn't people.
Speaker 1 (47:23):
Hopefully there's probably a bowl of pieces and you know,
some iron, glassy iron.
Speaker 3 (47:29):
Yeah, you know, he probably never asked for anything because
he provided his own, right.
Speaker 2 (47:35):
Jeez.
Speaker 5 (47:35):
They arrested him while he was drinking his own pea
and they said, freeze, you're in trouble.
Speaker 3 (47:45):
Oh man, the mind of a comedian, it's just so hacky.
Speaker 5 (47:54):
I'll probably getting so much trouble like comediens.
Speaker 1 (48:01):
So that's that's all I got for today's show, guys,
I mean, I.
Speaker 2 (48:06):
That's always That's it. That's it.
Speaker 1 (48:09):
Yeah, I hope it wasn't too much. I hope it wasn't.
Speaker 2 (48:12):
It was.
Speaker 3 (48:12):
It was definitely too much, but it was definitely relevant.
Speaker 4 (48:18):
I hope.
Speaker 5 (48:19):
I hope that it gets all the tension that it
it deserves, and maybe somebody that shines light on this
person and they want to make a bio pic on.
Speaker 4 (48:33):
Albert Fish if.
Speaker 5 (48:34):
There isn't already one, I wouldn't be surprised because, like,
for sure, that could be an entertaining click.
Speaker 1 (48:42):
There's several out there. Accurately, there's there's docu docu series
talking about it podcast.
Speaker 3 (48:51):
I will say this though, Juke Butts and Corey, if
somebody's watching this or have watched documentaries on Albert Fish
in the past, I hope it's not for them to
try to imitate.
Speaker 2 (49:05):
What he's already done. Yeah, I hope it is to.
Speaker 3 (49:09):
Educate yourself on how somebody can become and do and.
Speaker 2 (49:15):
And use that as reasons to do the opposite of
things that are right.
Speaker 5 (49:20):
And I would want to definitely interview the actor who
plays this guy in something who has to pretend like
he likes all this stuff.
Speaker 2 (49:29):
This guy.
Speaker 1 (49:33):
I think that there's something that you said about the
fact that there are like fetish porn out there, like
that that's that deep, and the fact that it's so
easy to access at such a young age. So I
think that that's also something that people, you know, parents
and stuff need to know to restrict what their kids watch,
make sure that they can't access these kind of things.
(49:56):
I remember twelve years old sneaking out to look at
a playboy in the backyard, you know, and like that
was exciting, but like it was a newdi pick of
a chick just posing, you know. It wasn't some of
the things that you could easily find today by typing
in the wrong.
Speaker 3 (50:11):
Thing, you know, Google, and the Internet has no filter. Man,
you can literally access everything. There's a Worldwide Web, for sure,
and some of that stuff that's out there is really
(50:31):
some insane stuff that people can get caught up in
or become attracted to for some weird, strange reason. But
I just hope for the majority of everyone in society
that this is, uh, I guess, confined to the people
(50:54):
who enjoy this type of stuff and doesn't affect anybody
who's in it or gets caught up in it by
being a minor or just some sick person thinking that
their life is not important and nobody will miss them.
Speaker 2 (51:11):
That's that's that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (51:12):
Yeah, you know, and Corey, I think something for you
as well, like being a wrestler. Uh, there's that one
video that I saw online. I think you were there
where somebody used like a weir, Yeah, as a stunt thing,
like people use like props and stuff to to inflict
(51:33):
pain for entertainment. And kids are into this kind of stuff,
or you know, watching it, but just making sure that
our kids know.
Speaker 4 (51:44):
Well it's labeled as ultra violence.
Speaker 2 (51:47):
M hm.
Speaker 5 (51:48):
That's you know, that's something people are really into these days.
And I mean now, with the accessibility to watch any
of the stuff that you want to watch, you could
be like, WHOA, I didn't realize I liked violence as
much as I like violence. It's dude, Back in nineteen twenty,
(52:10):
this guy could have if he had the Internet back then,
he could have stumbled across the whole community of people
who were also into poop eating and whatever else.
Speaker 1 (52:20):
Which could have actually kept him from doing the things
that he did.
Speaker 5 (52:26):
I mean, you know what, probably is a community for
people who eat poop and drink peat.
Speaker 1 (52:30):
I guarantee you there is I don't want to think
about it, but yeah,
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