April 7, 2024 • 52 mins
Two boys hit by a train in 1987. Suicide right? Join us as we discuss the very confusing case of Kevin Ives and Don Henry and their deaths.
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your guy. So with that beingsaid, have either of you lived and
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actually I'm pretty sure I know theanswer to this. Next to a train
track or on the train, orhave been on the train track. I
haven't lived next to one, butI'm not far from one, and I've
been over and by the train track. Yes, okay, grown up in
the country, man, Like Imean, during the summers, if you
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weren't in the creek, you weredown by the train. I've walked so
many miles of train tracks just goingthrough the country and everything, and so
I mean yes and no. Right, So this story tonight's going to be
about the death of two boys,sixteen year old Don Henry and seventeen year
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old Kevin Ives. Here's the pictureof the kids. Let me pop this
up here. Maybe oh hey,it's lost connection. Never mind, no
pictures, guys. Oh no,anyways, it's all good. So there's
the sixteen and seventeen year old friendsin Arkansas. The town is bear with
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me, guys, Alexander, Arkansas. And they at four am, a
freight train noticed a light green tarplaying in the middle of the train track.
And these two boys were laying parallelto each other, not moving,
not responsive at all, And ofcourse the train did apply the brakes and
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hit the horn and no motion fromthese boys at all, And so of
course they ran over them. Anybodywho does know trains, the larger the
larger they are, the longer ittakes for them to stop. So it
took about a half mile. Thiswas a seventy five car freight train.
It took about a half mile forthe train to come to a complete stop.
So of course they ran over theseboys. The fact, the thing
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that got me when I first startedlistening was the fact that these boys didn't
move. If this was, youknow, a suicide attempt, then there
would have been some sort of commotionor something, you know, from these
boys unless they were drugged or overdoyou know, or killed prior to they
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should have moved. So they calledthe paramedics and the and the police,
and they show up, and theparamedics report, and the train people report
seeing a light green tarp. Thisnever hits evidence, It never what it
never existed. So first off,the police said that the paramedics and the
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staff that was on the train werehallucinating and that there was never a tarp.
Wow, But they were there beforethe police, right right. Also,
the paramedics stated that in the conditionthat the boys were in. They
couldn't immediately, you know, startidentifying them because of what state they were
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in, and they took them tothe local hospital, and I believe the
pathologists ruled it a suicide based offoverdose of marijuana cigarettes. He claimed that
they had the amount that they hadin their body was that of twenty marijuana
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cigarettes or joints, which is adumb amount of weed. But my younger
days, I've experimented and I wasnever in a state where I just could
not move right. So that's thefirst thing, after the I guess the
second thing because the tarp immediately kindof throws me off, and then the
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fact that he rules it go ahead. No, I was just I was
kind of remember breath saying that makesno sense because of the of the of
the things that you could hallucinate.Now, I you know, again being
in the country, tarps, Imean that that's just good part and parcel
of living out in the country.Cover up ship with tarps all the time,
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and you have blue green gray tarbsthat have seen a few black ones
over over my lifetime. But thatis such a specific thing for them to
hallucinate, right, you know whatI mean, it's not like, what
a weird thing for them to saythat, no, no, no,
you hallucinated that, and then forit for it just to be missing the
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evidence of it. And on topof that, so the paramedics told the
investigators that they took them to anearby hospital they named the hospital, and
after going to the hospital, thehospital has no records of these boys ever
going there or being there. Whatyes, right, yeah, I'm trying.
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I'm trying to make this extremely confusingoff the bat, because it is
a weird is a weird case,all right. So here's the thing.
I in another lifetime, I wasan emt okay and I've seen some ship
now, I have been on thescene when a train plowed through a semi.
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I've seen the destructive force. Iknow what these kinds of collisions can
do. And these boys, ifthey did they get hit by the train.
Is that what you said? Theywere laying parallel on the tracks and
the train ran out room. Soif the tracks are going this and they
were they were laying parallel, allright, that train would have obliterated them.
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There's something where we there are veryfew things where you just apps is
absolute morbidity. Where you don't tryto resuscitate the person. One decapitation,
all right, there's just no chanceof resuscitation. Two if they're in full
rigor like they're they're dead dead.But there's also something called transaction mid torso,
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which means they're cutting the fucking halfand if a train ran over them,
like what did they bring them tothe hospital in a stake in shake
bag? Right? Yeah, Sosome of the reports did say that parts
of their heads were still intact parts. Yes, what, yeah, it's
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it's it's weird. So doctor Malikis a pathologist that rolled it a suicide.
Linda Ives was the mother of andthen Curtis was the dad of Henry
or Don Henry, and they bothdid not like the ruling of the suicide
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because even they were like, Okay, I don't care marijuana, cigarettes and
I'll give a shit, Like there'sno way they just lay this. It's
not like them. There was anotherkid that was hanging out with them earlier
that night who reported that they didsmoke a couple of blunts and that was
it. So they were apparently high. But even with that being said,
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you're not gonna be laying there justnot moving that's not And why would you
lay on a train track? Twenty? Is anybody not blown away by that
number? Look, I've done thepot in the past, okay between two
kids that I mean, don't on, dude, that's twenty. If you're
talking twenty joints, that's I dude. I've done hydros before, and you
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know I did them with my face. And they thought that there was a
murderer outside around the house, andeverybody was wired crazy all night. My
sister thought she was a mosquito.Okay, she was asking, I'm a
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mosquito. But for them to twentyyeah, wow. So on top of
the finding the boys there, theyalso found a point twenty two caliber rifle
and a flashlight. According to theparents, the boys liked to go spot
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hunting, which is where you golate at night and you shine deer and
stuff like that or something to distractthem and then shoot. Apparently this is
a pretty common thing that these guysdid. They're hunting deer with a twenty
two. Please continue with all thesethings that make no sense. This is
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right, So what's your guys' thoughts? First off, just based off the
little bit of information I've told you, guys, because it's about to get
a lot more interesting. Son,you go first, Where do I start?
Nothing adds up. There's nothing aboutthis at this point that makes any
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sense. They went to a hospital, there's no record of it. There
was a green tarp, there's nogreen tarp. They got ran over by
the train. I don't care ifit was parallel or perpendicular. That would
chew them into hamburger. There wouldbe nothing left and steake to a hospital.
There'd be no reason they would beout there with body bags. I
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am telling you from a professional pointof view that there would be nothing left.
And the spot hunting, okay,sure, if they were going after
rabbits, possibly squirrels, deer,No fucking way you want to shoot a
deer with a twin to see whathappens. Eat your fucking lunch, brother,
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Like I'm telling you, like,nothing about this makes any sense.
And the only thing that even soundsplausible is if it was a suicide,
then it was a suicide. PackedMaybe they were lovers in a small town
they couldn't take, you know,being homosexual or something, and they laid
down on the tracks. That wouldbe the only thing that would make sense.
And the number of marijuana, joints, cigarettes, marijuana cigarette what are
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we fucking eighty year old guys?The marijuana cigarettes, Shut up the joints,
twenty joints, dude, they no, just no to everything so far.
Yeah, you know, the tar, the response of the police,
and the response at the hospital standout the most. Is just those things
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are just so weird and unusual,especially the response of the cop, uh
you know, to say that theother people are hallucinating. Yeah, that
that kind of stands out the most, even even beyond the missing tarp in
the hospital saying that that that neverhappened. It's just very weird. And
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also with them not moving before thetrain hit them, like like Sean said,
you know, you know that typeof substance that you know, them
smoking, you would still think thatthere'd be some type of movement, you
know, especially when a locomotive iscoming your way. You know, Yeah,
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there's a last minute panic or somethinglike that, or some type of
freak out moment, you know,prior to that happened to the shaking.
Have you ever been on train trackswhen trains coming alone probably could have knocked
them off. One for two,the sound of a train horn like as
it's coming at you in that proximity. That's very ear drums. So how
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would they just be lying there?I don't care how jacked up they are
on the marijuanas dude. Right.So the pathologist, his medical examiner,
his name was Fammi Milock. He'sthe one who came up and said it
was twenty marijuana cigarettes. He uh. The the parents did not accept that.
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They did not like that as aruling, so they reached out to
a pathologist in Georgia who offered todo a second opinion as long as they
could get them some you know,fair samples, some something to work with.
So they reached out to Moloch forthat information, and he refused to
give them samples of the bodies.What. Yes, they also went to
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the DA about this, saying thathe was refusing to give them the information.
And not only did the DA defendhim, they gave him a promotion.
The state gave him a promotion.Yes. Uh, there's no there's
no answer as to why. Itjust during this whole thing. That part
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of the promotion was about him,the way he handled the case or something
is how he got promoted. Goahead, How long ago was this nineteen
eighty seven. Is Fattie Maccoq stillalive? I'm not sure. H Fommy
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malc Let's see here. I'm gonnalook. I'm sorry you you were spot
on. Actually it was. Itwas really good. This just sounds like
so much corruption. He died inFlorida in twenty eighteen at the age of
eighty five. Of course, that'sprobably why I didn't respond when I reached
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out Tobou Kamas show. Well,I'm sorry, guys, my dogs are
broken. That was perfect time.They were actually just repronouncing my locke for
us, that's what. So soit's already started to get even weirder.
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Now one of the town's attorneys reachedout to Linda and said he wants to
help them and take on the case. And during this he reached out to
a medical examiner in California who atthis point it's weird because at this point
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between Danny Hamlin taking on the case, he somehow block switched his mind over
and said, Okay, you're gonnahave the samples. So something happened between
on this attorney, right, Soanother weird thing, because nobody has an
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excuse as to why he switched hisreasoning or why he decided to go ahead
and do it, So they goto his facility to get the samples.
He takes Linda and Curtis back intothe spare room where there's a bunch of
jars, and Linda reported saying thatit was very weird because he kept trying
to pull out photos of the kidseven though they were saying they didn't want
to see him, and they evenopened He opened a jar and with a
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pencil was poking the substance and said, this is your boy's brain with the
pencil. So this guy is offhis rocker. This dude's nuts. That's
just my opinion. Everybody, I'mjust saying, Wow, they agree.
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Wow, this is you who letthe dogs out? Is gonna be the
next song I put in the middleof this O man. Wow. Okay.
So this guy, James Garriott,he's the medical examiner in San Antonio.
He gets the samples. He isthe one who's also confirms that they
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only had maybe one or two jointsin their system. Uh, and so
he's now contradicting it. On topof that, he found what looked like
a stab wound in the shirt ofone of the boys. MM hmmm.
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And on the what fragment of headthey did have of one of the boys,
He said he found what like blunttrauma from but potentially the back of
that rifle. Oh so these kidswere stabbed and beaten to death, yes,
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and left on the Okay, sothey were stabbed and beaten to death.
Who knows where the corruption where itgoes to, whatever level it is.
Maybe it was done by somebody that'shigher up, and they were left
on the train track in the middleof the night where people who knew the
amount of destruction that would come fromthat, which it did, they got
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obliterated, right, so it wouldbe hard to you know, point fingers
or whatever happened. Right, That'swhere I'm at right now. You were
trying to bring up a picture ofthe boys. What you know, what
it looks like. It's just apicture. I mean, there are these
two It's it's like an old timepicture of these two boys. And I
mean there's not really anything. They'rejust regular joe kids. There's nothing about
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them that stands out as you know, weird or off putting. What year
did you say this was? Nineteeneighty seven, nineteen eighty I've got some
ground beef in the fridge I canbring out as an after photo. And
this was in Georgia. It wasin Arkansas, Arkansas, Arkansas, right,
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And what was the name of thetown again? Shoot, you guys,
are hold on a second. Isno Alexander, Arkansas Alexander. Now
this this town is known for alot of drug crime. And during this
time, Clinton was a governor inArkansas or a congressman in Arkansas. And
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the reason that I'm going to throwthis out there is because you know how
I like to jump back and forth. In twenty eighteen, so not long
ago, a boxer, a famousboxer, came out and confessed that he
was there at the tracks when theseboys were killed. M hmm. And
he was there because he was hiredas a uh, not necessarily a bodyguard,
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but an enforcer for a drug tradeoff by a politician who was concerned
that some of the money was beingpocketed. Wow, now it all makes
sense, right, It's a politiciancover up, dude, Right, very
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interesting. Yeah, I feel likethat girl in the Chick fil A video
when you said that just like youso so dude. Now it makes perfectly
good sense why the officer would saythat they're hallucinating, and the guy wouldn't
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give up the samples, and thehospital would have no regulation of anything coming
their way. I mean when youwhen you were telling me, telling us
all this, I was actually thinkingit was something higher up. Right.
Even the train was probably part ofit, because you know what I'm saying,
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I could have been definitely could havebeen. Wait are you saying the
train is sentient and it's in cahoots. That's exactly what I'm delivering the drugs,
Thomas, you gotta kill the kids. Here's twenty thousand dollars, do
you right? So the Linda,the mom, she even comes out later
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on talking about how the attorney whopicked her was very odd because after a
while they noticed that he was askingfor money to help support his you know,
his family and help pay bills becausehe was kind of struggling or whatever.
Yeah, so it gets sketchier andthen she starts looking into it and
finds out that he has been knownfor selling cocaine in the town and doing
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trade offs. Wow, so bigpart of like this, this whole case
never really went anywhere, and it'salmost like all of these people were like
working together, even the sheriff ofthe town was like backing up Molck for
with everything, and and so italmost made sense that no matter what he
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was saying, everybody was going with. Of course, that's why he got
a promotion. He did what hewas supposed to do. He kind of
made the thing go a different durationor no duration at all, and it
went away. People stopped asking questions. So of course he got rewarded,
and everybody else just played stupid ormade like they were hallucinating or just not
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not agreeing to what actually occurred.Right, Okay, so there. It's
actually it's a very strong storyline that'sused in fiction a lot killing floor Jack
Reacher novel one of one of hisfirst and best by Lee Child, where
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it's a number of the people inthe town are involved in the corruption.
It's not just a couple of people. It's like the movie Hot Fuzz with
Simon Pegg, Right, right,have you seen that movie? Yeah,
of course, yeah, dude,everybody's in on it. Everybody except for
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you know, the parents of acouple of cops. You know, everybody
else is evil, the yarp guy, all of them. Yeah, so
this, I mean, this iswhat this sounds like. You know well,
and everybody's getting shut in out,like the paramedics are confused, like
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the trains, Like, wait aminute, no, there was definitely a
tire. There's the tarp was there. We know he took these kids to
this place. I don't know.I don't know why. There's no record
of it. That's our deal.So yeah, when when I first saw
this case and I was reading it, and obviously the twenty marijuana cigarettes.
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First off, that's comic coal orjoints. The twenty of those, I'm
like, wait a minute, I'vebeen not I mean, I've smoked a
lot. I'm not gonna say thatabout but back in the day, I
could smoke, and I was neverat a point where I'm like, you
know what, I'm gonna go hunting. First off, let's go yeah,
let's go spot hunting at four inthe morning. We'll just smoke, you
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know, twenty joints and uh,we'll see what happens. Jeez, you
know what do you feel that vibration? This is actually kind of soothing.
Let's lay down and taking that Whatis that dulcet tone that we hear that
my ears are bleeding? Oh,it's like the cry of angels. So
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at this point, you know,my theory is that, Okay, these
boys were wrapped in this tarp andlaid prestigically on the tracks, and it's
because they probably witnessed the transaction goingdown in the woods and that's what got
him killed. That's my theory is. It's gotta be man. I mean,
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it's I was fairly early on forone of these types of podcasts,
because now you're going to come inand be like, well, actually the
British Empire was involved, but Ithink that's exactly what happened that had So
Linda and Curtis ended up hiring aprivate investigator because they didn't trust their attorney
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or Moloc and he did some diggingand found well, first off, they
did change it once the second attorneyI forgot there is the second autopsy was
done and they found the bruses,they changed it to possible homicide possible.
So they did do that, butagain they defended Moloch's decisions still and at
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some point in this he ends uphe ends up getting too raises and promotions
during the trial of this case beforeit got closed. Wow, and he
got got multiple times lying. Forexample, the PI finds out that when
he first did the autopsy, hereported finding finding large amounts of fluid and
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the lungs causing them to be heavierthan normal and lay. Later on,
after he had changed his mind andgave them the samples, he had reported
that the lungs were heavy because theywere weighed with other organs, and if
the lungs were heavy from fluid,that would mean that they were killed prior
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to the train track. Yeah.And then during his the investigation, he
also determines that the reports from thetrain conductor and the staff on the train
was that they were used to youknow, random deers, you know,
animals just being ran over on thetrain track, which is normal, and
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they said that this instance was differentbecause the blood was darker and like thicker,
which would also mean that they weredead prior to from lack of oxygen.
Yeah, not just dead, butthe thing is too, when when
you die, one of the thingsthat that happens is your blood actually settles,
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like it goes to the lowest possiblepoint right right, So it settles,
it darkens, it's solidified, Imean, it gets you know,
coagulated in ui and gooey. Sothey had to be dead for like a
bit, right, and so theywent out around midnight. Curtis the Henry
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Don Henry's dad said that they wentout around midnight and then the train hit
them at four am. So there'sseveral hours where stuff go went down.
Yeah, a lot. So allbad it is. It is all very
bad. So they they ended upclosing the case and it was never really
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resolved as just a possible homicide.Jeez, even with the winds, even
with all the false information from Molckeand I mean I've given you guys everything
already. I mean there's more toit, but you know, this is
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gonna be a little bit short ofan episode. But there's just so much
about this it's like, what thefuck is Okay, here's my first question,
first, one of many questions,is anybody working on this? Is
anybody doing a cold case file onthis? I mean, I know Macak
is dead. He's dead. Thatwas so I believe that's when the boxer
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reported his side of the story thathe was there. And that's really kind
of the the weird one because hedidn't have any relationship to this case until
he came forward, Like nobody evenhinted towards him. He just came out
and said, Hey, I washired by a politician, and I was
I was actually there, so dowe So you don't know the politician's name.
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He hasn't divulged out or anything.Where's the now? I have no
idea. I didn't even say thename of the boxer. He wanted his
information lecture or something like that.But he he apparently did like a call
or something with the mom before shepassed and was discussing the case with her.
Wow, there's a massive cover uphere, So right, I think
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you're right. I think those kidssaw something that they shouldn't have seen,
and they were just brutalized, beaten, stabbed, everything else wrapped up in
that tarp, taken to the traintracks, obliterated by that train. And
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then it sounds like a just aconvergence of just nothing against Arkansas. You're
lovely people. I've been by spit, but they don't. These folks don't
sound like the smartest people. Sothey're just like making and maybe they're so
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powerful they just don't even fucking care. Yeah, they were outspot hunting and
this thing happening. Whatever, here'sthis because nobody they know, nobody's going
to do anything, right, Sothey just don't care how bad the story
looks. It's just like we'll putit out there and you're going to accept
it. Like that kind of humorsexists in the world, right. Yeah,
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and they knew it was gonna workbecause all the key people were tied
in to either look the other wayor uh, just not acknowledged did this
happened, or just say that theywere hallucinating, Right, I do.
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I did find some rulings on someother cases that maloch did that were also
very just odd reports. Here's alittle snippet. It said police investigation and
investigating Molocke's accusations discovered that the attendingphysician had used a medical symbol on Smith's
chart to show that life support wasended after the family had been consulted.
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The director of the state Health Departmentsaid Malocke apparently had mistaken the symbol to
mean without family consultation, and apparentlyhad misread the chart to mean that permission
to end life support had come fromMalcolm. Wow, so he ended somebody's
life and just said, oh,I'm sorry, I mishread it. Now
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this is prior to that. Well, it tracks with Moron so he was
a perfect person to cover that up, right, Uh huh. So they
just give them money and promotions.And here's another one right here, the
Albright case. On June twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five, Raymond P.
Albright, fifty home, was foundin his yard dead of gunshot wins.
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Albright had been arrested the night before. In charge of theft Locke ruled his
death of suicide. Is this thesame guy that did the autopsy on Vince
Foster and that Whitewater shit with thetwo shots to the back of his head
and they called it a suicide?What y Vince Foster sing his name from
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the tree tops? Not a conspiracytheory? Dude was found in a part
two shots to the back of hishead. Called it a suicide because God
knows, when you're dedicated to killingyourself, you want to get two caps
at the back of the head.Why do we just eat this stuff up?
And they just put it out there. It's like, oh, it's
rules suicide and we're like, okay, wow, no, it doesn't look
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like it was from him. Saysomething about ruled suicide by five official investigators.
Official? Yeah, jes so,yeah, I mean the Moloc's nuts.
The attorney I think is involved.I think there's some congressmen that are
probably involved. I mean, ifwe're talking big drug trades out in the
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middle of nowhere, I mean smalltown Arkansas, sounds like a good place
to do it, no kidding,but that's I mean, what you gotta
evolution. I'm kind of sitting onthe same uh thought processes you and Sean.
I think the two kids were leftlate at night and around transaction time
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or whatever and seeing something that theyweren't supposed to see, right, and
and the type of people that theybumped into are the type of people that
have no witnesses uh when they dosomething. So that's that's how it ended
up. Yeah, anything else showwell, I think this was a convergence
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of a lot of things happening veryquickly. Because here's the thing. These
kids see something, they get theshit kicked out of them, beaten,
stabbed, whatever, and they're they'redead, all right. So once you're
dead, your all your functions stopfor the most part, right, and
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blood starts to settle. You gointo rigor, like all this shit starts
happening, right, So these kidsare laying there dead and they're trying to
figure out what to do with them. All right, Now, if this
is a well thought out process,all right, they're going to take those
kids to a hog pin, tossthem in. Hog is going to eat
everything, right, this Arkansas hogfarms all over the place. But I
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think they needed to get rid ofthese bodies quickly. So they take them
down the train tracks, wrapped ina green tarp. Right, they get
destroyed. And who if they gotto back him up? But macock,
all right, yes, that pieceof ship. He's gonna say, he's
being funded by these guys. Yeah, there you go, there you go.
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And that's why he keeps getting theraises because mccock still plays the game,
right, So they going to keepgiving him raises and everything because he's
the good boy, good old boy. He's doing what he's supposed to.
So yeah, there there are.So he was also Egyptian, and there
were interviews that he had after likeduring this whole thing, and all he
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said during everything was that they werejust racist because he was an Egyptian.
Wow, I'm gonna I'm gonna talkabout this because I think that this is
actually a key clue that was overlookedthe green tart. Uh right, Like,
like Sean mentioned before, there's lotsof different colors to tart. I've
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even seen a brown tarp before,but who has green tarps? They also
put emphasis on light green. I'veseen dark green, I've never seen I've
seen it green. Like wouldn't thatbe like some type of government type of
deal, yeah, or like amilitary has like a light green Yeah.
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Yeah, I mean it sounds almostlike it's an official color. That's probably
why they took it away and thenmade it seem like they were hallucinating,
because when I think about the colorsof tarps, you usually don't see like
green. It's it's like a specifictarget or call out for a certain background.
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And and what what benefit does thetarp have for them to make up?
Like like if you were to hallucinate, why would that be what you
hallucinated? Exactly exactly of all things. And not only did the train people
staff, but also the paramedics reportedit. It's not like they were standing
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next to each other going yeah,yep, there's a tar we all saw
you saw it, right, Yeah, yeah, we saw it. And
then the cops come along and sayyou didn't see anything, No, you
didn't. Okay, I guess youdid not take them to the hospital.
It never happened. Yeah, that'sit. Yep. It sucks. I
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think this actually really pisses me offbecause of the fact that if if it
is a drug trade, which makessense based on all the information that is
there, then it had to behigher ups because the way it was executed,
and because of how things are beinghandled. Even the DA backed up
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meloc which means if the DA's backingthem up, how high up the chain
are we talking very very high.So these could have easily walked in on
something very serious, and they couldhave had people scout in the woods while
they were doing the transaction and theyspotted them, like, hey kids got
here, you know, jeez.I don't think it was that. I
think they probably just rushed them,you know, seeing them tick off after
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him, a knife, gun tothe head, boom, yep, and
just throw them in the tar,which somebody had conveniently on their person because
of the background that they're in,and then put them on the track and
it was over. They grabbed thetar. Let's talk about the parents too,
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and the way they're being treated inall this. Well, they're obviously
outside the circle. Well, they'redefinitely outside. They're being like just basically
set to the side, like no, no, we're dealing with this now.
We're no, you can't do that. We got it. Just sit
there and whatever we tell you isexactly what happened. And then then I
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fallow for it, you know,and they're yeah, they're you know,
their their kids just you know thatpassed. Yeah, and parents have a
what do you call it, asixth sense when it comes to their kids.
You know, they know when somethingdoesn't sound right or it's even Yeah.
Even they were like, you know, they weren't surprised that they had
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maybe had smoking or smoked, butit was like, no, that's not
like them. Yeah, that's notsomething they would do. But you dude,
all right, so first of all, it takes a minute to burn
down a joint between two folks.Okay, first of all, let it.
That's dedication. They have twenty offthe bat I would. I looked
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at him and said, you arefull of shit. And that's not a
racist comment, you Egyptian prick,right, Yeah, I mean it's not.
I don't think they could get throughtwenty I mean, in what fuck
this is nineteen eighty seven. It'snot like they had these like vapor boxes
where they could just sit there andheld consistently. Yeah, and what sixteen
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year old kid has twenty fucking jointson him or right, that's a lot
for a teenage kid to have maybeone or two, maybe or maybe a
small bag to make a couple more. But it's never that many. That's
a lot. No, it justsounds like an egregious like there's somebody it's
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like hyperbole where they're just like,oh, when they had twenty marijuanas in
them, so obviously you know,the marijuanas made them pass out on the
tracks. It's just like this ridiculousnumber that you know, he just throws
out there and people are like,oh, well, if it was twenty
marijuanas, of course, it's it'stheir own fault. I just misread the
(45:51):
chart. It was actually twenty turtles. They had twenty turtles. Twenty turtles.
Yeah, you just misread the chart, you know, that's all.
Yeah, that candy if you getmore than ten of in you, you
know, like that caramel chocolate mixture, that'll get you. I think I
think we can all agree. Definitely, some sort of cover up. Absolutely,
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but this is just an old case. There's nothing being I didn't and
everybody I've asked, even around work, nobody's heard of it. You know,
most of the cases that we've talkedabout, at least somebody at work
knew something about it, and nobody. I literally was just I don't remember
what happened. I was just scrolling. What I do to get information for
(46:35):
these shows is I'll just you know, search stuff on you Google, or
I'll go through some podcasts and andlook for stuff that is you know,
obviously that the information is all overthe place because that's kind of what obviously
the show's about. And I stumbledupon Boys on the Track sound was like
what is this? So I justclicked on it, and within five minutes
I was like, there's way toomuch wrong with this. So I listened
(46:58):
to the whole was the whole thingtwice man, and then I did some
more research and that's how we gotthe show tonight. And it's been within
the last like four days. SoI think it's a very interesting case and
it's something to be had or tosay, is that government is I mean,
there are people in high places thatthat can pay off whatever they want
(47:21):
to pay off, which sucks.It does. There's so much that we
don't know. Look at all theshit with Diddy. Oh right, meanwhile
all of that stuff. Man,people are like Diddy, here's Diddy,
and everybody's going trying to get awayfrom them. But I mean, you
know, they're talking about folks likejay Z and others that are at that
(47:44):
level that are going down with it, and they have used murder payoff everything
over the years. But it's likeeverybody's waking up. That's the thing.
Like people are starting to see throughthe veil, like that that documentary was
Nickelodeon for god, you know whereDan Schneider that piece of shit should rotten
hell agree, you know what Imean? Like we're starting to see through
(48:07):
the bullshit and it's all being pulledaway. And it's the fact that this
stuff has gone on for so longat that high of a level, and
so many people are getting hurt byit, Like these two poor kids.
I can just I can just seehim saying, we won't say anything.
We swear, we swear, andthey're just you and the ship out of
(48:29):
them, right and all because theysaw something they shouldn't have. How dare
they and so, yeah, yeah, I do want to throw it out
there as well. We did dothe Gypsy Rose case with she Within a
week she broke up with her husbandand got back with her ex fiance who
(48:51):
she met as a pimpella in jailand also has got a matching tattoo with
him already. And this was withinthe last week. Jeez, No,
this's obviously result of our work,gentlemen. So what mom got back to
your mom got back to your normalself, and Gypsy was done with it.
She's like, look, Mom,if you ain't gonna keep being my
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husband, I'm out. Awesome.That is awesome for those For those of
you are watching tonight, check outsome of these other episodes. This show
is a lot of fun. Wetry to bring the humor in it.
We try to be serious and overall, you know, Singe the Eye Sockets
is meant to just be that.Not everything's what you see. Guys,
(49:35):
think about things, look look atthe information. Don't just hear something to
go okay mm hmm, yeah Iwould. I would. I would desperately
love to see some cold case likeyou know those TV shows. Somebody picked
this thing up because this is justdisgusting. It is. It is poor
kids. You know. That bringsit up the discussing part. Right.
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The paramedics did report that when thewhen the cops showed up and they were
cleaning up the scene and they weren'tcollecting stuff as if they they said it
was weird because it didn't look likethey were investigating. It looked like they
were just cleaning up a mess.Wow, no tape, nothing like that.
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Geez. You know. And ifthis was the time that Clinton was
in office down there, his hehad the whole all the little rock police,
the deputies, everybody. They werein cahoots and covering up with the
Paula Jones and all that shit likethey were. They they did all the
stuff to keep him safe. Right, you know that that all came out.
(50:43):
That's not conspiracy. It fucking happened. So who's the guy who knows
who was involved in this? Youknow what? Okay, if this has
anything to do with Hillary Clinton,I want to state unequivocally right now that
myself, Jukebox and Evolution are allhad. We're not suicidal at all.
I know, you know about twentymore of these marijuana joints right here.
(51:13):
You're gonna end up on a traintrack. But yeah, yeah to everybody.
We always appreciate all you guys.I've noticed that a lot more people
are watching while we're live, andit's slowly climbing, which is great.
And feel free to join in thecommentary. I do have a number for
the lounge, which I'm trying tofigure out how to incorporate that into the
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shows to where we can take Collinsas well. I think that'd be a
nice opportunity to give you guys achance to jump on and just be apart
for a segment or two, youknow, sweet. Thanks for growing,
guys, and it's all because ofyou, and also my admins, and
this guy below me over here isprobably gonna end up being one just because
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and keeping the subscribers happy and andwe're going to keep going awesome until next
time, guys, we'll see youaround. Take care, m M
What's happening everybody. Welcome back toJG's lounge. I'm your host, Jukebox
Ginger, back with another episode ofSinged I Sockets. I do want to
make a couple quick announcements before weget the show on the road. We
hit eight hundred and twenty three subscriberstoday. We did drop a couple,
but you know, we gained liketwenty seven and then dropped a few,
so it's you know, I'll takethe twenty three that we did get today,
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So I appreciate that everybody. Weare climbing. Man, we weren't
even at eight hundred yesterday and we'realready up to I think I think when
I last looked, it was likeeight nineteen or eight twenty one or something
like that. Actually, if youguys are watching this, and you can
probably see right there underneath the videowhere we're at. So but thanks everybody.
The channel's growing still and even ifit stays consistent, as long as
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it's not dropping, then I knowyou guys are still watching. So with
that being said, thank you,guys, to the to the my my
right, to everybody that's watching.I don't know if you're left right anyways,
evolution and how you doing? Doinggreat? What's up juke box?
How you doing? He good man, it's a good day. I got
(01:18):
some rests, so feeling a lotbetter right now. You were just you
were just yawning. That was prethe live recordings. Man. Sorry,
sorry for giving you some exposure there, Sean Man, how you doing?
(01:40):
Hey, brother, I'm good.Hey. Look the world is. We
know what is ending on Monday,the solar. I'm eating up all this
all this time, man, andI'm gonna enjoy every moment. It's like
the Warriors philosophy. Every all youhave is the breath in and breath out,
so you got to live every moment. I'm here. I do have
to throw it out there that Iput up a news article about the CERN.
(02:05):
It's like a certain news article aboutthem doing tests on the day of
the eclipse, and TikTok banned it. M wow, wow it got banned.
So there's I'll even show you guys. This is so strange how they
would ban something that's a factual article. Right here, if you look in
(02:30):
the middle left there, it sayscommunity guidelines of violation. Wow. Yeah,
I'm not joking people. This iswhy they want to get rid of
this country because the mass media,mainstream media, all sides of it,
full of ship, full of ship. But you find stuff on TikTok and
(02:50):
it's like, oh, this isquestionable and they can't control it. So
the things they can't control they areafraid of. Just shut it down.
Wow, you know, it's justcomedy. It's comical to me, but
at the same time, it's scarybecause of how real it is. Like
you guys can call conspiracy theories,but for with every theory, there's some
sort of fact behind it, likethere's some information about it that has caused
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people to make these theories that atsome point is fact, you know.
And with this eclipse, there's alot of things that are really weird.
But that's not what this show isabout. Sean, And if you guys
are interested in this conversation, staytuned. Uh probably tomorrow night, pretty
late, we're going to release anew episode of Blurred Lines, which is
(03:36):
Sean's show, and he will bediscussing that very topic. So just a
quick quick shout out to you andyour show man. Yeah, of course
evolution. You had to show thismorning. What's going on? How to
get it? Went great? Ijust sent you the information so you can
post it live. Uh. Butyeah, it was. It was a
great episode. It went better thanexpected poetics to myself, really, I
(04:01):
lighted some important things. It wasreally good. You should check it out
and follow and like and all thatother stuff. Yeah, hell yeah,
man, and most people that watchthis do hopefully that's a plan. Also,
I would like to introduce a newmask out of JJ's lounge. Juke
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up in the corner there. Heis our Jackalope mascot for JG's lounge.
The idea behind him is, youknow, I kind of wanted edgy but
at the same time almost kind offormal vibe. And also, who doesn't
like rabbits? You know, comeon, you just got some horns on
this one, that's all. Butif you guys are out and you see
(04:43):
rabbits hopping around, the ideas thatyou guys will just go, oh hey,
JG's lounge. So you know,it's just those little trigger things and
I'm going for it. It's afriendly cryptid. It's a friendly cryptid man.
Actually, if you need your cigarsnipped or a beer poured, he's
your guy. So with that beingsaid, have either of you lived and
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actually I'm pretty sure I know theanswer to this. Next to a train
track or on the train, orhave been on the train track. I
haven't lived next to one, butI'm not far from one, and I've
been over and by the train track. Yes, okay, grown up in
the country, man, Like Imean, during the summers, if you
(05:30):
weren't in the creek, you weredown by the train. I've walked so
many miles of train tracks just goingthrough the country and everything, and so
I mean yes and no. Right, So this story tonight's going to be
about the death of two boys,sixteen year old Don Henry and seventeen year
(05:53):
old Kevin Ives. Here's the pictureof the kids. Let me pop this
up here. Maybe oh hey,it's lost connection. Never mind, no
pictures, guys. Oh no,anyways, it's all good. So there's
the sixteen and seventeen year old friendsin Arkansas. The town is bear with
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me, guys, Alexander, Arkansas. And they at four am, a
freight train noticed a light green tarplaying in the middle of the train track.
And these two boys were laying parallelto each other, not moving,
not responsive at all, And ofcourse the train did apply the brakes and
(06:38):
hit the horn and no motion fromthese boys at all, And so of
course they ran over them. Anybodywho does know trains, the larger the
larger they are, the longer ittakes for them to stop. So it
took about a half mile. Thiswas a seventy five car freight train.
It took about a half mile forthe train to come to a complete stop.
So of course they ran over theseboys. The fact, the thing
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that got me when I first startedlistening was the fact that these boys didn't
move. If this was, youknow, a suicide attempt, then there
would have been some sort of commotionor something, you know, from these
boys unless they were drugged or overdoyou know, or killed prior to they
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should have moved. So they calledthe paramedics and the and the police,
and they show up, and theparamedics report, and the train people report
seeing a light green tarp. Thisnever hits evidence, It never what it
never existed. So first off,the police said that the paramedics and the
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staff that was on the train werehallucinating and that there was never a tarp.
Wow, But they were there beforethe police, right right. Also,
the paramedics stated that in the conditionthat the boys were in. They
couldn't immediately, you know, startidentifying them because of what state they were
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in, and they took them tothe local hospital, and I believe the
pathologists ruled it a suicide based offoverdose of marijuana cigarettes. He claimed that
they had the amount that they hadin their body was that of twenty marijuana
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cigarettes or joints, which is adumb amount of weed. But my younger
days, I've experimented and I wasnever in a state where I just could
not move right. So that's thefirst thing, after the I guess the
second thing because the tarp immediately kindof throws me off, and then the
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fact that he rules it go ahead. No, I was just I was
kind of remember breath saying that makesno sense because of the of the of
the things that you could hallucinate.Now, I you know, again being
in the country, tarps, Imean that that's just good part and parcel
of living out in the country.Cover up ship with tarps all the time,
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and you have blue green gray tarbsthat have seen a few black ones
over over my lifetime. But thatis such a specific thing for them to
hallucinate, right, you know whatI mean, it's not like, what
a weird thing for them to saythat, no, no, no,
you hallucinated that, and then forit for it just to be missing the
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evidence of it. And on topof that, so the paramedics told the
investigators that they took them to anearby hospital they named the hospital, and
after going to the hospital, thehospital has no records of these boys ever
going there or being there. Whatyes, right, yeah, I'm trying.
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I'm trying to make this extremely confusingoff the bat, because it is
a weird is a weird case,all right. So here's the thing.
I in another lifetime, I wasan emt okay and I've seen some ship
now, I have been on thescene when a train plowed through a semi.
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I've seen the destructive force. Iknow what these kinds of collisions can
do. And these boys, ifthey did they get hit by the train.
Is that what you said? Theywere laying parallel on the tracks and
the train ran out room. Soif the tracks are going this and they
were they were laying parallel, allright, that train would have obliterated them.
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There's something where we there are veryfew things where you just apps is
absolute morbidity. Where you don't tryto resuscitate the person. One decapitation,
all right, there's just no chanceof resuscitation. Two if they're in full
rigor like they're they're dead dead.But there's also something called transaction mid torso,
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which means they're cutting the fucking halfand if a train ran over them,
like what did they bring them tothe hospital in a stake in shake
bag? Right? Yeah, Sosome of the reports did say that parts
of their heads were still intact parts. Yes, what, yeah, it's
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it's it's weird. So doctor Malikis a pathologist that rolled it a suicide.
Linda Ives was the mother of andthen Curtis was the dad of Henry
or Don Henry, and they bothdid not like the ruling of the suicide
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because even they were like, Okay, I don't care marijuana, cigarettes and
I'll give a shit, Like there'sno way they just lay this. It's
not like them. There was anotherkid that was hanging out with them earlier
that night who reported that they didsmoke a couple of blunts and that was
it. So they were apparently high. But even with that being said,
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you're not gonna be laying there justnot moving that's not And why would you
lay on a train track? Twenty? Is anybody not blown away by that
number? Look, I've done thepot in the past, okay between two
kids that I mean, don't on, dude, that's twenty. If you're
talking twenty joints, that's I dude. I've done hydros before, and you
(12:56):
know I did them with my face. And they thought that there was a
murderer outside around the house, andeverybody was wired crazy all night. My
sister thought she was a mosquito.Okay, she was asking, I'm a
(13:16):
mosquito. But for them to twentyyeah, wow. So on top of
the finding the boys there, theyalso found a point twenty two caliber rifle
and a flashlight. According to theparents, the boys liked to go spot
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hunting, which is where you golate at night and you shine deer and
stuff like that or something to distractthem and then shoot. Apparently this is
a pretty common thing that these guysdid. They're hunting deer with a twenty
two. Please continue with all thesethings that make no sense. This is
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right, So what's your guys' thoughts? First off, just based off the
little bit of information I've told you, guys, because it's about to get
a lot more interesting. Son,you go first, Where do I start?
Nothing adds up. There's nothing aboutthis at this point that makes any
(14:22):
sense. They went to a hospital, there's no record of it. There
was a green tarp, there's nogreen tarp. They got ran over by
the train. I don't care ifit was parallel or perpendicular. That would
chew them into hamburger. There wouldbe nothing left and steake to a hospital.
There'd be no reason they would beout there with body bags. I
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am telling you from a professional pointof view that there would be nothing left.
And the spot hunting, okay,sure, if they were going after
rabbits, possibly squirrels, deer,No fucking way you want to shoot a
deer with a twin to see whathappens. Eat your fucking lunch, brother,
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Like I'm telling you, like,nothing about this makes any sense.
And the only thing that even soundsplausible is if it was a suicide,
then it was a suicide. PackedMaybe they were lovers in a small town
they couldn't take, you know,being homosexual or something, and they laid
down on the tracks. That wouldbe the only thing that would make sense.
And the number of marijuana, joints, cigarettes, marijuana cigarette what are
(15:30):
we fucking eighty year old guys?The marijuana cigarettes, Shut up the joints,
twenty joints, dude, they no, just no to everything so far.
Yeah, you know, the tar, the response of the police,
and the response at the hospital standout the most. Is just those things
(15:58):
are just so weird and unusual,especially the response of the cop, uh
you know, to say that theother people are hallucinating. Yeah, that
that kind of stands out the most, even even beyond the missing tarp in
the hospital saying that that that neverhappened. It's just very weird. And
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also with them not moving before thetrain hit them, like like Sean said,
you know, you know that typeof substance that you know, them
smoking, you would still think thatthere'd be some type of movement, you
know, especially when a locomotive iscoming your way. You know, Yeah,
(16:44):
there's a last minute panic or somethinglike that, or some type of
freak out moment, you know,prior to that happened to the shaking.
Have you ever been on train trackswhen trains coming alone probably could have knocked
them off. One for two,the sound of a train horn like as
it's coming at you in that proximity. That's very ear drums. So how
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would they just be lying there?I don't care how jacked up they are
on the marijuanas dude. Right.So the pathologist, his medical examiner,
his name was Fammi Milock. He'sthe one who came up and said it
was twenty marijuana cigarettes. He uh. The the parents did not accept that.
(17:36):
They did not like that as aruling, so they reached out to
a pathologist in Georgia who offered todo a second opinion as long as they
could get them some you know,fair samples, some something to work with.
So they reached out to Moloch forthat information, and he refused to
give them samples of the bodies.What. Yes, they also went to
(18:03):
the DA about this, saying thathe was refusing to give them the information.
And not only did the DA defendhim, they gave him a promotion.
The state gave him a promotion.Yes. Uh, there's no there's
no answer as to why. Itjust during this whole thing. That part
(18:26):
of the promotion was about him,the way he handled the case or something
is how he got promoted. Goahead, How long ago was this nineteen
eighty seven. Is Fattie Maccoq stillalive? I'm not sure. H Fommy
(18:48):
malc Let's see here. I'm gonnalook. I'm sorry you you were spot
on. Actually it was. Itwas really good. This just sounds like
so much corruption. He died inFlorida in twenty eighteen at the age of
eighty five. Of course, that'sprobably why I didn't respond when I reached
(19:12):
out Tobou Kamas show. Well,I'm sorry, guys, my dogs are
broken. That was perfect time.They were actually just repronouncing my locke for
us, that's what. So soit's already started to get even weirder.
(19:34):
Now one of the town's attorneys reachedout to Linda and said he wants to
help them and take on the case. And during this he reached out to
a medical examiner in California who atthis point it's weird because at this point
(19:56):
between Danny Hamlin taking on the case, he somehow block switched his mind over
and said, Okay, you're gonnahave the samples. So something happened between
on this attorney, right, Soanother weird thing, because nobody has an
(20:18):
excuse as to why he switched hisreasoning or why he decided to go ahead
and do it, So they goto his facility to get the samples.
He takes Linda and Curtis back intothe spare room where there's a bunch of
jars, and Linda reported saying thatit was very weird because he kept trying
to pull out photos of the kidseven though they were saying they didn't want
to see him, and they evenopened He opened a jar and with a
(20:41):
pencil was poking the substance and said, this is your boy's brain with the
pencil. So this guy is offhis rocker. This dude's nuts. That's
just my opinion. Everybody, I'mjust saying, Wow, they agree.
(21:11):
Wow, this is you who letthe dogs out? Is gonna be the
next song I put in the middleof this O man. Wow. Okay.
So this guy, James Garriott,he's the medical examiner in San Antonio.
He gets the samples. He isthe one who's also confirms that they
(21:33):
only had maybe one or two jointsin their system. Uh, and so
he's now contradicting it. On topof that, he found what looked like
a stab wound in the shirt ofone of the boys. MM hmmm.
(21:53):
And on the what fragment of headthey did have of one of the boys,
He said he found what like blunttrauma from but potentially the back of
that rifle. Oh so these kidswere stabbed and beaten to death, yes,
(22:14):
and left on the Okay, sothey were stabbed and beaten to death.
Who knows where the corruption where itgoes to, whatever level it is.
Maybe it was done by somebody that'shigher up, and they were left
on the train track in the middleof the night where people who knew the
amount of destruction that would come fromthat, which it did, they got
(22:37):
obliterated, right, so it wouldbe hard to you know, point fingers
or whatever happened. Right, That'swhere I'm at right now. You were
trying to bring up a picture ofthe boys. What you know, what
it looks like. It's just apicture. I mean, there are these
two It's it's like an old timepicture of these two boys. And I
mean there's not really anything. They'rejust regular joe kids. There's nothing about
(23:00):
them that stands out as you know, weird or off putting. What year
did you say this was? Nineteeneighty seven, nineteen eighty I've got some
ground beef in the fridge I canbring out as an after photo. And
this was in Georgia. It wasin Arkansas, Arkansas, Arkansas, right,
(23:25):
And what was the name of thetown again? Shoot, you guys,
are hold on a second. Isno Alexander, Arkansas Alexander. Now
this this town is known for alot of drug crime. And during this
time, Clinton was a governor inArkansas or a congressman in Arkansas. And
(23:52):
the reason that I'm going to throwthis out there is because you know how
I like to jump back and forth. In twenty eighteen, so not long
ago, a boxer, a famousboxer, came out and confessed that he
was there at the tracks when theseboys were killed. M hmm. And
he was there because he was hiredas a uh, not necessarily a bodyguard,
(24:18):
but an enforcer for a drug tradeoff by a politician who was concerned
that some of the money was beingpocketed. Wow, now it all makes
sense, right, It's a politiciancover up, dude, Right, very
(24:42):
interesting. Yeah, I feel likethat girl in the Chick fil A video
when you said that just like youso so dude. Now it makes perfectly
good sense why the officer would saythat they're hallucinating, and the guy wouldn't
(25:04):
give up the samples, and thehospital would have no regulation of anything coming
their way. I mean when youwhen you were telling me, telling us
all this, I was actually thinkingit was something higher up. Right.
Even the train was probably part ofit, because you know what I'm saying,
(25:25):
I could have been definitely could havebeen. Wait are you saying the
train is sentient and it's in cahoots. That's exactly what I'm delivering the drugs,
Thomas, you gotta kill the kids. Here's twenty thousand dollars, do
you right? So the Linda,the mom, she even comes out later
(25:52):
on talking about how the attorney whopicked her was very odd because after a
while they noticed that he was askingfor money to help support his you know,
his family and help pay bills becausehe was kind of struggling or whatever.
Yeah, so it gets sketchier andthen she starts looking into it and
finds out that he has been knownfor selling cocaine in the town and doing
(26:18):
trade offs. Wow, so bigpart of like this, this whole case
never really went anywhere, and it'salmost like all of these people were like
working together, even the sheriff ofthe town was like backing up Molck for
with everything, and and so italmost made sense that no matter what he
(26:40):
was saying, everybody was going with. Of course, that's why he got
a promotion. He did what hewas supposed to do. He kind of
made the thing go a different durationor no duration at all, and it
went away. People stopped asking questions. So of course he got rewarded,
and everybody else just played stupid ormade like they were hallucinating or just not
(27:07):
not agreeing to what actually occurred.Right, Okay, so there. It's
actually it's a very strong storyline that'sused in fiction a lot killing floor Jack
Reacher novel one of one of hisfirst and best by Lee Child, where
(27:29):
it's a number of the people inthe town are involved in the corruption.
It's not just a couple of people. It's like the movie Hot Fuzz with
Simon Pegg, Right, right,have you seen that movie? Yeah,
of course, yeah, dude,everybody's in on it. Everybody except for
(27:52):
you know, the parents of acouple of cops. You know, everybody
else is evil, the yarp guy, all of them. Yeah, so
this, I mean, this iswhat this sounds like. You know well,
and everybody's getting shut in out,like the paramedics are confused, like
(28:12):
the trains, Like, wait aminute, no, there was definitely a
tire. There's the tarp was there. We know he took these kids to
this place. I don't know.I don't know why. There's no record
of it. That's our deal.So yeah, when when I first saw
this case and I was reading it, and obviously the twenty marijuana cigarettes.
(28:33):
First off, that's comic coal orjoints. The twenty of those, I'm
like, wait a minute, I'vebeen not I mean, I've smoked a
lot. I'm not gonna say thatabout but back in the day, I
could smoke, and I was neverat a point where I'm like, you
know what, I'm gonna go hunting. First off, let's go yeah,
let's go spot hunting at four inthe morning. We'll just smoke, you
(28:56):
know, twenty joints and uh,we'll see what happens. Jeez, you
know what do you feel that vibration? This is actually kind of soothing.
Let's lay down and taking that Whatis that dulcet tone that we hear that
my ears are bleeding? Oh,it's like the cry of angels. So
(29:18):
at this point, you know,my theory is that, Okay, these
boys were wrapped in this tarp andlaid prestigically on the tracks, and it's
because they probably witnessed the transaction goingdown in the woods and that's what got
him killed. That's my theory is. It's gotta be man. I mean,
(29:44):
it's I was fairly early on forone of these types of podcasts,
because now you're going to come inand be like, well, actually the
British Empire was involved, but Ithink that's exactly what happened that had So
Linda and Curtis ended up hiring aprivate investigator because they didn't trust their attorney
(30:07):
or Moloc and he did some diggingand found well, first off, they
did change it once the second attorneyI forgot there is the second autopsy was
done and they found the bruses,they changed it to possible homicide possible.
So they did do that, butagain they defended Moloch's decisions still and at
(30:32):
some point in this he ends uphe ends up getting too raises and promotions
during the trial of this case beforeit got closed. Wow, and he
got got multiple times lying. Forexample, the PI finds out that when
he first did the autopsy, hereported finding finding large amounts of fluid and
(30:55):
the lungs causing them to be heavierthan normal and lay. Later on,
after he had changed his mind andgave them the samples, he had reported
that the lungs were heavy because theywere weighed with other organs, and if
the lungs were heavy from fluid,that would mean that they were killed prior
(31:18):
to the train track. Yeah.And then during his the investigation, he
also determines that the reports from thetrain conductor and the staff on the train
was that they were used to youknow, random deers, you know,
animals just being ran over on thetrain track, which is normal, and
(31:44):
they said that this instance was differentbecause the blood was darker and like thicker,
which would also mean that they weredead prior to from lack of oxygen.
Yeah, not just dead, butthe thing is too, when when
you die, one of the thingsthat that happens is your blood actually settles,
(32:08):
like it goes to the lowest possiblepoint right right, So it settles,
it darkens, it's solidified, Imean, it gets you know,
coagulated in ui and gooey. Sothey had to be dead for like a
bit, right, and so theywent out around midnight. Curtis the Henry
(32:31):
Don Henry's dad said that they wentout around midnight and then the train hit
them at four am. So there'sseveral hours where stuff go went down.
Yeah, a lot. So allbad it is. It is all very
bad. So they they ended upclosing the case and it was never really
(32:53):
resolved as just a possible homicide.Jeez, even with the winds, even
with all the false information from Molckeand I mean I've given you guys everything
already. I mean there's more toit, but you know, this is
(33:14):
gonna be a little bit short ofan episode. But there's just so much
about this it's like, what thefuck is Okay, here's my first question,
first, one of many questions,is anybody working on this? Is
anybody doing a cold case file onthis? I mean, I know Macak
is dead. He's dead. Thatwas so I believe that's when the boxer
(33:35):
reported his side of the story thathe was there. And that's really kind
of the the weird one because hedidn't have any relationship to this case until
he came forward, Like nobody evenhinted towards him. He just came out
and said, Hey, I washired by a politician, and I was
I was actually there, so dowe So you don't know the politician's name.
(33:57):
He hasn't divulged out or anything.Where's the now? I have no
idea. I didn't even say thename of the boxer. He wanted his
information lecture or something like that.But he he apparently did like a call
or something with the mom before shepassed and was discussing the case with her.
Wow, there's a massive cover uphere, So right, I think
(34:23):
you're right. I think those kidssaw something that they shouldn't have seen,
and they were just brutalized, beaten, stabbed, everything else wrapped up in
that tarp, taken to the traintracks, obliterated by that train. And
(34:45):
then it sounds like a just aconvergence of just nothing against Arkansas. You're
lovely people. I've been by spit, but they don't. These folks don't
sound like the smartest people. Sothey're just like making and maybe they're so
(35:07):
powerful they just don't even fucking care. Yeah, they were outspot hunting and
this thing happening. Whatever, here'sthis because nobody they know, nobody's going
to do anything, right, Sothey just don't care how bad the story
looks. It's just like we'll putit out there and you're going to accept
it. Like that kind of humorsexists in the world, right. Yeah,
(35:30):
and they knew it was gonna workbecause all the key people were tied
in to either look the other wayor uh, just not acknowledged did this
happened, or just say that theywere hallucinating, Right, I do.
(35:51):
I did find some rulings on someother cases that maloch did that were also
very just odd reports. Here's alittle snippet. It said police investigation and
investigating Molocke's accusations discovered that the attendingphysician had used a medical symbol on Smith's
chart to show that life support wasended after the family had been consulted.
(36:15):
The director of the state Health Departmentsaid Malocke apparently had mistaken the symbol to
mean without family consultation, and apparentlyhad misread the chart to mean that permission
to end life support had come fromMalcolm. Wow, so he ended somebody's
life and just said, oh,I'm sorry, I mishread it. Now
(36:39):
this is prior to that. Well, it tracks with Moron so he was
a perfect person to cover that up, right, Uh huh. So they
just give them money and promotions.And here's another one right here, the
Albright case. On June twenty eighth, nineteen eighty five, Raymond P.
Albright, fifty home, was foundin his yard dead of gunshot wins.
(37:02):
Albright had been arrested the night before. In charge of theft Locke ruled his
death of suicide. Is this thesame guy that did the autopsy on Vince
Foster and that Whitewater shit with thetwo shots to the back of his head
and they called it a suicide?What y Vince Foster sing his name from
(37:24):
the tree tops? Not a conspiracytheory? Dude was found in a part
two shots to the back of hishead. Called it a suicide because God
knows, when you're dedicated to killingyourself, you want to get two caps
at the back of the head.Why do we just eat this stuff up?
And they just put it out there. It's like, oh, it's
rules suicide and we're like, okay, wow, no, it doesn't look
(37:49):
like it was from him. Saysomething about ruled suicide by five official investigators.
Official? Yeah, jes so,yeah, I mean the Moloc's nuts.
The attorney I think is involved.I think there's some congressmen that are
probably involved. I mean, ifwe're talking big drug trades out in the
(38:14):
middle of nowhere, I mean smalltown Arkansas, sounds like a good place
to do it, no kidding,but that's I mean, what you gotta
evolution. I'm kind of sitting onthe same uh thought processes you and Sean.
I think the two kids were leftlate at night and around transaction time
(38:38):
or whatever and seeing something that theyweren't supposed to see, right, and
and the type of people that theybumped into are the type of people that
have no witnesses uh when they dosomething. So that's that's how it ended
up. Yeah, anything else showwell, I think this was a convergence
(39:07):
of a lot of things happening veryquickly. Because here's the thing. These
kids see something, they get theshit kicked out of them, beaten,
stabbed, whatever, and they're they'redead, all right. So once you're
dead, your all your functions stopfor the most part, right, and
(39:30):
blood starts to settle. You gointo rigor, like all this shit starts
happening, right, So these kidsare laying there dead and they're trying to
figure out what to do with them. All right, Now, if this
is a well thought out process,all right, they're going to take those
kids to a hog pin, tossthem in. Hog is going to eat
everything, right, this Arkansas hogfarms all over the place. But I
(39:52):
think they needed to get rid ofthese bodies quickly. So they take them
down the train tracks, wrapped ina green tarp. Right, they get
destroyed. And who if they gotto back him up? But macock,
all right, yes, that pieceof ship. He's gonna say, he's
being funded by these guys. Yeah, there you go, there you go.
(40:14):
And that's why he keeps getting theraises because mccock still plays the game,
right, So they going to keepgiving him raises and everything because he's
the good boy, good old boy. He's doing what he's supposed to.
So yeah, there there are.So he was also Egyptian, and there
were interviews that he had after likeduring this whole thing, and all he
(40:35):
said during everything was that they werejust racist because he was an Egyptian.
Wow, I'm gonna I'm gonna talkabout this because I think that this is
actually a key clue that was overlookedthe green tart. Uh right, Like,
like Sean mentioned before, there's lotsof different colors to tart. I've
(41:00):
even seen a brown tarp before,but who has green tarps? They also
put emphasis on light green. I'veseen dark green, I've never seen I've
seen it green. Like wouldn't thatbe like some type of government type of
deal, yeah, or like amilitary has like a light green Yeah.
(41:22):
Yeah, I mean it sounds almostlike it's an official color. That's probably
why they took it away and thenmade it seem like they were hallucinating,
because when I think about the colorsof tarps, you usually don't see like
green. It's it's like a specifictarget or call out for a certain background.
(41:45):
And and what what benefit does thetarp have for them to make up?
Like like if you were to hallucinate, why would that be what you
hallucinated? Exactly exactly of all things. And not only did the train people
staff, but also the paramedics reportedit. It's not like they were standing
(42:07):
next to each other going yeah,yep, there's a tar we all saw
you saw it, right, Yeah, yeah, we saw it. And
then the cops come along and sayyou didn't see anything, No, you
didn't. Okay, I guess youdid not take them to the hospital.
It never happened. Yeah, that'sit. Yep. It sucks. I
(42:31):
think this actually really pisses me offbecause of the fact that if if it
is a drug trade, which makessense based on all the information that is
there, then it had to behigher ups because the way it was executed,
and because of how things are beinghandled. Even the DA backed up
(42:52):
meloc which means if the DA's backingthem up, how high up the chain
are we talking very very high.So these could have easily walked in on
something very serious, and they couldhave had people scout in the woods while
they were doing the transaction and theyspotted them, like, hey kids got
here, you know, jeez.I don't think it was that. I
think they probably just rushed them,you know, seeing them tick off after
(43:15):
him, a knife, gun tothe head, boom, yep, and
just throw them in the tar,which somebody had conveniently on their person because
of the background that they're in,and then put them on the track and
it was over. They grabbed thetar. Let's talk about the parents too,
(43:37):
and the way they're being treated inall this. Well, they're obviously
outside the circle. Well, they'redefinitely outside. They're being like just basically
set to the side, like no, no, we're dealing with this now.
We're no, you can't do that. We got it. Just sit
there and whatever we tell you isexactly what happened. And then then I
(43:59):
fallow for it, you know,and they're yeah, they're you know,
their their kids just you know thatpassed. Yeah, and parents have a
what do you call it, asixth sense when it comes to their kids.
You know, they know when somethingdoesn't sound right or it's even Yeah.
Even they were like, you know, they weren't surprised that they had
(44:19):
maybe had smoking or smoked, butit was like, no, that's not
like them. Yeah, that's notsomething they would do. But you dude,
all right, so first of all, it takes a minute to burn
down a joint between two folks.Okay, first of all, let it.
That's dedication. They have twenty offthe bat I would. I looked
(44:43):
at him and said, you arefull of shit. And that's not a
racist comment, you Egyptian prick,right, Yeah, I mean it's not.
I don't think they could get throughtwenty I mean, in what fuck
this is nineteen eighty seven. It'snot like they had these like vapor boxes
where they could just sit there andheld consistently. Yeah, and what sixteen
(45:06):
year old kid has twenty fucking jointson him or right, that's a lot
for a teenage kid to have maybeone or two, maybe or maybe a
small bag to make a couple more. But it's never that many. That's
a lot. No, it justsounds like an egregious like there's somebody it's
(45:27):
like hyperbole where they're just like,oh, when they had twenty marijuanas in
them, so obviously you know,the marijuanas made them pass out on the
tracks. It's just like this ridiculousnumber that you know, he just throws
out there and people are like,oh, well, if it was twenty
marijuanas, of course, it's it'stheir own fault. I just misread the
(45:51):
chart. It was actually twenty turtles. They had twenty turtles. Twenty turtles.
Yeah, you just misread the chart, you know, that's all.
Yeah, that candy if you getmore than ten of in you, you
know, like that caramel chocolate mixture, that'll get you. I think I
think we can all agree. Definitely, some sort of cover up. Absolutely,
(46:15):
but this is just an old case. There's nothing being I didn't and
everybody I've asked, even around work, nobody's heard of it. You know,
most of the cases that we've talkedabout, at least somebody at work
knew something about it, and nobody. I literally was just I don't remember
what happened. I was just scrolling. What I do to get information for
(46:35):
these shows is I'll just you know, search stuff on you Google, or
I'll go through some podcasts and andlook for stuff that is you know,
obviously that the information is all overthe place because that's kind of what obviously
the show's about. And I stumbledupon Boys on the Track sound was like
what is this? So I justclicked on it, and within five minutes
I was like, there's way toomuch wrong with this. So I listened
(46:58):
to the whole was the whole thingtwice man, and then I did some
more research and that's how we gotthe show tonight. And it's been within
the last like four days. SoI think it's a very interesting case and
it's something to be had or tosay, is that government is I mean,
there are people in high places thatthat can pay off whatever they want
(47:21):
to pay off, which sucks.It does. There's so much that we
don't know. Look at all theshit with Diddy. Oh right, meanwhile
all of that stuff. Man,people are like Diddy, here's Diddy,
and everybody's going trying to get awayfrom them. But I mean, you
know, they're talking about folks likejay Z and others that are at that
(47:44):
level that are going down with it, and they have used murder payoff everything
over the years. But it's likeeverybody's waking up. That's the thing.
Like people are starting to see throughthe veil, like that that documentary was
Nickelodeon for god, you know whereDan Schneider that piece of shit should rotten
hell agree, you know what Imean? Like we're starting to see through
(48:07):
the bullshit and it's all being pulledaway. And it's the fact that this
stuff has gone on for so longat that high of a level, and
so many people are getting hurt byit, Like these two poor kids.
I can just I can just seehim saying, we won't say anything.
We swear, we swear, andthey're just you and the ship out of
(48:29):
them, right and all because theysaw something they shouldn't have. How dare
they and so, yeah, yeah, I do want to throw it out
there as well. We did dothe Gypsy Rose case with she Within a
week she broke up with her husbandand got back with her ex fiance who
(48:51):
she met as a pimpella in jailand also has got a matching tattoo with
him already. And this was withinthe last week. Jeez, No,
this's obviously result of our work,gentlemen. So what mom got back to
your mom got back to your normalself, and Gypsy was done with it.
She's like, look, Mom,if you ain't gonna keep being my
(49:13):
husband, I'm out. Awesome.That is awesome for those For those of
you are watching tonight, check outsome of these other episodes. This show
is a lot of fun. Wetry to bring the humor in it.
We try to be serious and overall, you know, Singe the Eye Sockets
is meant to just be that.Not everything's what you see. Guys,
(49:35):
think about things, look look atthe information. Don't just hear something to
go okay mm hmm, yeah Iwould. I would. I would desperately
love to see some cold case likeyou know those TV shows. Somebody picked
this thing up because this is justdisgusting. It is. It is poor
kids. You know. That bringsit up the discussing part. Right.
(50:00):
The paramedics did report that when thewhen the cops showed up and they were
cleaning up the scene and they weren'tcollecting stuff as if they they said it
was weird because it didn't look likethey were investigating. It looked like they
were just cleaning up a mess.Wow, no tape, nothing like that.
(50:22):
Geez. You know. And ifthis was the time that Clinton was
in office down there, his hehad the whole all the little rock police,
the deputies, everybody. They werein cahoots and covering up with the
Paula Jones and all that shit likethey were. They they did all the
stuff to keep him safe. Right, you know that that all came out.
(50:43):
That's not conspiracy. It fucking happened. So who's the guy who knows
who was involved in this? Youknow what? Okay, if this has
anything to do with Hillary Clinton,I want to state unequivocally right now that
myself, Jukebox and Evolution are allhad. We're not suicidal at all.
I know, you know about twentymore of these marijuana joints right here.
(51:13):
You're gonna end up on a traintrack. But yeah, yeah to everybody.
We always appreciate all you guys.I've noticed that a lot more people
are watching while we're live, andit's slowly climbing, which is great.
And feel free to join in thecommentary. I do have a number for
the lounge, which I'm trying tofigure out how to incorporate that into the
(51:35):
shows to where we can take Collinsas well. I think that'd be a
nice opportunity to give you guys achance to jump on and just be apart
for a segment or two, youknow, sweet. Thanks for growing,
guys, and it's all because ofyou, and also my admins, and
this guy below me over here isprobably gonna end up being one just because
(51:57):
you're cranking out so much stuff.But thank you guys for putting out content
and keeping the subscribers happy and andwe're going to keep going awesome until next
time, guys, we'll see youaround. Take care, m M
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