Dantes inferno

What better way to show some Valentines day love then a deep dive into Dantes Inferno? Join Sean Shank, Ev.O.Lution and I as we give a little backstory and trail through the 9 circles of hell in this episode of Singed Eye Sockets. #youtube #live #liveatream #podcast #jgslounge

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
There was two women, yes, and seven guys. So to me,
that's a problem already.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Eyebrows, missing burn marks, eyeballs missing tony, missing.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
The bones decame to that degree in just four years.
I just don't see that type of dagle.

Speaker 2 (00:27):
There's just so much that's off about on both sides.
Both sides seem real suspect. You know, it's the South,
so maybe dental records are a bit trickier down there
because they only have maybe one or two teeths to
identify them by it.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Have you guys ever had that, Like you've driven by
a house on the middle of nowhere, You're like, I
don't wonder who lives there?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
What's going on?

Speaker 3 (00:50):
Oh yeah, this is gonna be one of us. What's
happened to everybody? Welcome back to another episode of Senjedi Sockets.
It's been a while, it's been a minute. You know,
our other co hoster are sitting off screen right now,
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(01:10):
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(02:16):
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Speaker 1 (02:19):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:20):
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Speaker 1 (02:32):
Guys, what's up jukebox. Uh, we're kind of giggling out
for your reaction here.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
That's the whole point, man.

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That was that was classic. I'm good man. Uh, really
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Speaker 3 (03:09):
Oh yeah, man, I think a big part of it.
You know, Like I said, the last couple of months,
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stream Yard, but this is it's all around. It's been better,
So we're gonna stick with this for now. With that
being said, Sean Man, how have you been.

Speaker 2 (03:44):
I've been good man, just you know, like the rest
of you busy, busy, busy. As a matter of fact,
I just took on the mantle of wrestling coach again
at Lake Michigan College. They're starting up program there and
they asked me to be the head coach. And I

(04:04):
haven't picked up a whistle and got seven years. And
the thing is, like I am, I'm older, and uh yeah,
and I'm not one of those coaches that sits on
the sideline just blows a whistle and tells people what
to do. Like I get in there and mix it
up with the kids and work out and everything, and bro,

(04:25):
I've got everything hurts. I was telling my wife today,
the bones in my thumb hurt, not the muscles, the
bones like that hurt. So that's new. But yeah, Man,
comedy has been going strong and really looking forward to, uh,
you know, getting back into the podcasting. I know we
were trying to figure out the platforms thing, but my god, dude,

(04:47):
I've got to get back to doing blurred lines. There's
so much prap with the attack fog and hurricanes and
everything else.

Speaker 3 (04:57):
I have to say that the fog lay has been intense.
It has been just stupid like them, and we got
more coming tomorrow. I got a for it tomorrow morning,
just like some ridiculously thick fog. But that's not for this,
that's not for the show, and it's continuing.

Speaker 2 (05:13):
Nope, nope, but yeah, yeah, So, I mean, there's there's
a lot to talk about, but right now, I'm just
grateful to be back back on the thing. And man,
what a ringing endorsement you just gave from my vibe
right there.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
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besides comically unless I was. I'm not a boxer. I'm
not you know, a professional swimmer or or a or
a tennis player, which those are all things people that
they sponsor. They got athletes.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (05:43):
The thing about smelling salts that people don't know is well,
I mean, I'm sure people know that, like a lot
of ambulance have them in they're in their vehicles, but
a lot of like football players on the benches use them.
A lot of boxers, wrestlers they actually use It's not
that I mean, I'm sure if you were just sitting
there twenty four to seven hitting that too, it's probably

(06:05):
it's probably not recommended.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
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of the.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
Thames Us recommend.

Speaker 3 (06:15):
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better than any energy drink that you're drinking.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
You know, it's not.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
It's like a rush of oxygen to the brain.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
That's what it is.

Speaker 3 (06:25):
That's all it is. That's literally all it is.

Speaker 2 (06:28):
Definitely a monster baby.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
That's the other thing. Energy drinks are just nuts, man,
I mean you literally they have so many different kinds,
they're everywhere. It's just absurd. And I I mean I'm
not I'm a culprit of getting them too. I mean,
I try my hardest not to. But I don't think evolution,
I don't think you're really an energy drinking kind of guy.

Speaker 1 (06:49):
I am not. I've never had an energy drink. Can
you believe that?

Speaker 2 (06:54):
No? Different?

Speaker 1 (06:56):
Yeah, I would do like a vitamin water something like that,
or one of the you know, just not not energy
drinking driven, but more of a just better for your hydration.
I guess that's that's That's where I'm.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
At about you, Sean. You do do you take energy drinks?
You drinking?

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Won't won't touch them ever since I heard that one
of them got bulges in it, or touring. I I won't.
I won't have anything to do with them. As a
matter of fact, one of the things that's new since
last we got together is I have stopped drinking coffee
almost completely.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Wow that's fantastic, dude. I'm still drinking like five or
six steps to day, but good for you.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Thanks.

Speaker 2 (07:47):
Man. I was, I was like, yeah, I was drinking.
I found because you know, with being you know, like online,
with a lot of my work, you know, with the
teaching college and things.

Speaker 3 (07:59):
I was.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I found out I was drinking a pot and a
half a day.

Speaker 3 (08:02):
WHOA, that's probably That's probably where I'm at, at least
probably close to a pot of coffee a day.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
Well, it's got you say, five or six cups, but
like coffee cups. And this is something people need to
pay attention to, is like I have mugs at home
that are like muggs that are like two servings, like
two cups. Right, So when you're saying five to six,
you know, cups of coffee, I don't think you mean

(08:31):
like an actual measuring No.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
I'm talking like maybe twelve ounces. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
So see, you're you're probably about where I was at,
if not more man like, that's we see.

Speaker 3 (08:40):
So when I went out with my Bunyon surgery, I
had to stop caffeine altogether. And that's when I realized
how much of an addiction coffee is. Yeah, but I
I did cut out energy drinks. I haven't had them since,
which is great. But I'm still drinking the coffee. But
I mean, I got I was vomiting. I was like,
I felt sick for a couple of days, got mygrains.

(09:02):
It was so bad, trying to just not take it.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Withdraws from coffee.

Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, just from coffee. You know the addictions today, man,
it's absurd. Yeah, all right, So, with Valentine's Day coming up,
I picked tonight's topic Dante's Inferno. Uh for everybody you
you might think it's pretty funny. Yeah, we're going through
the Nine Circles of Hell. But when I kind of
explain a little bit of the backstory of Dante's Inferno,

(09:30):
You're gonna understand a little bit more as to why
that kind of resonates. So let's let's pop up an
image of Dante here. Let me let me pull them up.

Speaker 2 (09:41):
Where you at. Dante not a pretty man.

Speaker 3 (09:45):
He's I mean, I've only seen drawings of him. But uh,
you know. That's that's about it. M I thought, he,
I thought, I downloaded him. Bear with me, folks, bear
with me.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Well, well you're you're downloading I I'm going to put
a plug in for the video game that they made
of this, called Dante's Inferno. Yes, it is visually, visually
one of the most stunning epics I think that has
ever been created for gaming platforms ever made. This game

(10:19):
follows a soldier from the Crusades who he did some
bad things when he was outfighting the Crusades and one
of the folks from the Ottoman Empire took offense to
what he did and went back and killed his wife.

(10:40):
So he travels basically through hell to save her soul.
And my god, that I cannot express it. And you
can find full walkthroughs on YouTube. It's worth it just
to sit and watch because one you learn basically everything
we're going to be talking about tonight with the different
levels of hell. But it's like watching a movie. It

(11:02):
is grand. I cannot say enough about the game. It's
it's fantastic, all.

Speaker 3 (11:08):
Right, I got it right here. I think let's see
if it works. Boom, I said, we're gonna do this
and then I'm gonna have to mess around here for
a second.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
Platform juggling.

Speaker 3 (11:26):
At us back. Oh oh, look at that, Look at that.
I figured it out, everybody, all right, So we got
Dante here. This is just a drawing of him, obviously,
and I don't know why it's playing. That's not what
I wanted it to do. God, dang it, all right,
you know what, We're not gonna do any images. It's

(11:49):
fine though, because everything I had is just written down anyways,
so we we really don't need it. Look, he looks fantastic.
I'll figure it out. I was one to use my phone,
but at the same time, I have all my info
on my phone, so I need to figure out something else.
I'll figure it out anyways, Dante and I got I

(12:11):
think it's how it was pronounced. I was born in
twelve sixty five died in thirteen twenty one. He was
part of a pretty wealthy family back in Florence, Italy,
and at the time there's a lot of just I mean,
the hierarchy and the government was all family based, like

(12:33):
who do you know? It seems like, and his family
was pretty well known. His dad wasn't really a social person,
so during a lot of like the warfare that happened
during his time, they weren't really ridiculed too much because
of his dad until Dante kind of got into the
government and some things happened. So Dante as a child,

(12:58):
his dad was a money lender, so it's believed that
he came from some wealth. Anyways, Basically in that time,
a lot of like government officials and stuff kind of
went towards him to kind of for financial stuff. And
at the age of nine, he met somebody named Beatrice
who he fell in love with. She was a year
younger than him, and that was just from singer. He

(13:20):
never taught her that was it. She's going to play
a huge role, pretty much the only role in the
making of this poem, because he was fascinated by her.
At the age of twelve, he was promised to another
wealthy family's daughter. Back then, that's about the timeframe when
people were, you know, married, and it wasn't because they

(13:42):
liked each other. It was because that's how the families worked.
You know, here's our daughter, you're marrying her just kind
of keep that wealth. Yeah, it's arranged marriages, which were
very popular and it actually was not uncommon for the
men to sleep with other women. It was actually pretty popular.
I wouldn't it was a popular, was a popular, but

(14:05):
it was definitely not frowned upon at the time. A
lot of them did it. So he met or he
married his wife, Jimma pretty ill. They ended up having
three children, and he doesn't talk about her in any
of his poems. As a matter of fact, all he
talks about is Beatrice and everything. At the yeah, at

(14:25):
the age of eighteen, he starts talking about how he
saw Beatrice on the streets a lot in Florence and
they'd have like very passed by conversations, but never anything serious.
But all I'm thinking is just you know, uh, molester
vibes here, you know, kind of this guy off in
the distance in an alley, just staring at Beatrice. So
she walks down the street, you know, kind of jerking

(14:47):
off in the in the corner alleyway. So that's that's
kind of the way it seems, because it never you
never hear her side. We don't even know what she
looks like.

Speaker 2 (14:58):
Well, if you go by THEDEO game that I was
talking about earlier, holy shit, I can understand the fascination.
I mean not to get all pervy, but voice.

Speaker 3 (15:12):
All right, hot, someone's into Savana.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
MA, I'm just go check it out for yourself, and
then back to me, you're like, you know, you're right.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
So during this time, Florence, Italy wasn't a country in itself.
During this time, there's a lot of like smaller states.
Florence was kind of its own state during this time,
and there was a lot of pull between government and
the pope and who runs things. So you had the

(15:49):
gwealth community, which is what Dante and his family come from.
Is the wealth community, which is more towards the pope
and religion. And then you have the Gilead. Uh. I mean,
I want to make sure I say this right, the
the Ghibelins. The Ghibelins. There we go. I was gonna
say Gilliads, and I'm like, not any right. The Ghibelins,

(16:11):
which were more towards like Rome, the Roman Empire, more
government affiliated. And as Dante started growing up and he
starts becoming a political figure in Florentine, the Gwelps take
over the Ghibelins and conquer Florentine. But at this time

(16:34):
the community splits, so you have the Gwelps that are
the White Gwealths and the black Wells. The White Wealths
are more like religious base, which is what Dante's behind,
and then you have the black Wells, which are like
a little bit more freedom. They want a little bit
more freedom, and they start to sort of take over
the Florentine community. During this time, it's like thirteen oh one,

(16:56):
they send Dante to Rome because, uh, Prince or King
Henry was going to come visit, and they send him
to kind of tell him, don't come right now.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
You know.

Speaker 3 (17:08):
There's a lot of kind of warfare stuff going on
in the city. It's it's not a good time. Uh.
During that time, the black Wells take over Florentine and
the exile a lot of the community, including Dante. So
so King Henry is like stay stay here, you know,
stay here with us and exiled, being that if he

(17:28):
was a return they're gonna kill him, you know. So
for the rest of his days, you got his wife
and his kids there while he's in other states and communities,
and and that's sort of the background. I don't I
didn't want to give too much details. If you if
you kind of dig into the story, there's a lot
more to it, but I wanted to keep it a
little bit vague because a lot of this kind of

(17:51):
pieces together based off of that information, you know, Beatrice
being the main focus, but a lot of the figures
that he sees as he travels through Hell areolitical figures, poets,
you know, stuff like that, stuff that in his life
that he had resentment towards or frustration towards. So's there's religion,
but it's it's more like I don't like you, I'm

(18:13):
putting you in hell, you know.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Yeah, it was a political commentary this. See, that's a
mistake a lot of people make with the Nine Levels
of Hell. They think it's all completely based on religion,
and not to say it's not. But as you bump
into the figures and then you like you're revealing some
of the history and things of what you know, he

(18:35):
and his family were going through, you see the connections
with it, you know. But the thing that's messed up,
it's not just the local officials and government that were
corrupt at the time, the papacy. You know, I'm sorry,
you know, if any Catholics are listening, you know, even today,

(18:56):
not the purest of of institution, and I can't talk
about this because it's not a blordline.

Speaker 3 (19:03):
Podcast, but but it does touch on the subject.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Yes, but back then, incredibly corrupt. Okay, So you're talking
about an individual who you know, it comes from a
family of money lenders, who you know are interwoven into
the fabric of the politics of society for one, lots

(19:28):
of enemies, you know, as many you know friends as
they may have had. And you know, once you understand that,
the whole Dante's Inferno and the poem take a vastly
different a look, so to speak.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
And it's so before I kind of did the research,
you know, I always thought of Dante's Inferno, I mean,
it is a Protestant view of of of Christ, you know,
hell and what it is. But the way it's breast
has nothing to do with it, if you really break
it down, it has everything to do with his real
life and what's what happened to him and him kind

(20:07):
of taking out that aggression in his writing evolution.

Speaker 1 (20:11):
What you got so far, I'm just following all the
info at the moment.

Speaker 3 (20:17):
Did you know any of that?

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Some of it? No, it's quite interesting the way this
is flowing. I'm definitely gonna probably have a lot to
say later, but right now, I'm just.

Speaker 3 (20:37):
You will you will. It also took it did take
him twelve years to write this, and a lot of
this has to do with the fact that it cost
an average person's salary. For for one year's salary, is
what would cost to purchase a sheet of paper back
then one sheet of paper, and not many people could
write or read, So there's that aspect as well. I mean,

(21:01):
think think about how much money he invested into the
writing of this. I mean, it's he spent a lot
of time during his exile writing this, which wasn't released
until thirteen twelve, roughly thirty I've heard difference between them
all my research, but it's roughly thirteen twelve when this
actually was officially done. But his journey through Hell is

(21:22):
in thirteen hundred, and it starts out, well, let's just
start to kind of kind of slowly work our way
into Hell. And thirteen hundred it's a good Friday, and
Dante finds himself in a dark forest, seeing some mountains
off in the distance with a sunrise kind of or
sunset going over behind. So he kind of he starts

(21:45):
climbing up the mountain and he runs into a into
three different beasts. There's a leopard, a lion, and a
she wolf, and they scare him, so he runs back
down the mountain and into the woods where he finds Virgil.
Virgil is his ghost guide. This is somebody that he means,
he's very held back. He doesn't want he doesn't want
to listen to him. He's actually pretty terrified to have

(22:05):
him at first, until Virgil says, hey, you know, I
was actually sent here by Beatrice and the Virgin Mary
to guide you through hell so you can get to her.
You know, a lot of this is him just trying
to get to Beatrice, who's in heaven, and it happens
around the time that he's exiled, so you know, it's

(22:29):
it makes sense. It all starts kind of just piecing
together his anger and frustration towards everybody and just and
him just fascinated by Beatrice and wanted to go find
her during all of this stuff that happened to him.

Speaker 2 (22:42):
So I'm said that the breakdown of this is it's
just one man's horny journey to find.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
Some tales, literally, and the more we get, the more
you go into the circles, You're like, man, he really
had a heart on it for this.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
Girl, especially when we hit the plane of lust.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
We'll get there, we'll get there. So after Dante says, hey,
you know Beatrice Semi here. You know, Virgin Mary. They
told me to take you, and I'm gonna get you
through here, and unfortunately we got to go through all
the nine circles. But you just stick with me and
we'll make it, man. So that's that that somehow convinced

(23:23):
Dante like, yeah, I'll follow you, man.

Speaker 2 (23:25):
So they go quick, predicated on the idea that this
whole thing is a booty called journey by the Virgin Mary.
And Dante's like, when I'm done with her, she's just
gonna be Mary anyway.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Uh, He's like, Mary, hold my phone record this.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
All right?

Speaker 1 (23:56):
All right?

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Anyways, Virginal takes him over the mountain. Uh. Somehow he
convinces the three beasts to let them pass, and they
get to sort of like the entrance of Hell. It's
the vestibule of Hell, and here Dante and Virgil find
all of the uncommitted, so people who just didn't have
a belief, they believed in nothing. You know, you exist

(24:19):
and you die. So they're all at the entrance and
they're being uh, you know, chased by these biting insects,
and they're chase, they're they're running for a blank banner
is how he wards it, which is basically like nothing,
so that they're they're chasing nothing and they're getting bitten
by these bugs. And at this point they make it

(24:41):
to a river, the river of Acronon or Acron, and
there's a bunch of souls waiting to cross into Hell,
which is they're transferred by a ferry that's run by uh, Karen,
believe it or not, you know, Karen. Uh. I think
I'd be very annoyed about being ferried by Karen. Talk

(25:08):
about it, a very frustrated soul having to transport other
souls into hell for all eternity, man has to.

Speaker 1 (25:16):
Be a very annoying trip.

Speaker 3 (25:22):
It is spelled c h A r O N, but
it's still Karen.

Speaker 2 (25:27):
Well, it's just a little bit of history to the ferryman, Karen.
When people back of those times, when they passed, they
would put the coins on their eyes. I don't know
if you guys know about that. The coins on the
eyes were supposed to be the fee so to speak,
that you would pay Karen, which I've also read Chiron,

(25:49):
but I think Karen, but that, but that's what that
would be your your passage fee to get you across
the river right.

Speaker 1 (26:00):
Now that I'm familiar with the coins over the eyes.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Yeah, So when Karen approaches or Kyron, however we want
to I think it's funnier to say Karen. So we're
gonna stick with Karen because it makes this a little
bit more lively. So Karen shows up, Virgil's like, hey,
you know, I'm taking this guy on a tour to
find his you know, whatever, his obsession we need to

(26:26):
get through. And Karen's like, no, I'm not taking him.
He's a lie. That's not how this works. I only
takes souls. And Virgil kind of pulls him aside, like, look, man,
I mean he really's got a thing for this. This
stick Beatrice. She's got me taking him to her, And
somehow he convinces Karen to let him let him on board,
so he gets in. He makes it across the.

Speaker 1 (26:47):
River, very very persuasive.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Virgil promises Karen that she'll get to speak to a
manager if she does this.

Speaker 3 (26:57):
Look, I promise I will get you to the highest
authority I mean, I'm gonna see Satan by the end
of this. I'll put in a good word for you. Okay,
maybe we'll get you a zoom call here and you know,
in a few years.

Speaker 1 (27:10):
All right.

Speaker 3 (27:11):
So they get across and they make it to the
first circle of Hell, which is the Limbo. Now I
find this kind of creative because the limbo is actually
like the closest thing to heaven you can get if
you are a non a virtuous non Christian or unbaptized pagan.
So like you believe in something, you're you're a good person,

(27:33):
you just don't you don't believe in God. So this
is where you're going. You're going to You're going to Limbo.
You're going to the first circle of Hell. It's not great,
it's just an inferior form of heaven. They reside in
a castle with seven gates with similar to the seven Virtues,
and Dante meets some prominent people like Homer, Socrates, Aristotle, Julius, Caesar,

(27:56):
and they're all just kind of hanging out in this
castle in the first level of Hell.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
I thought Caesar was an interesting one for that level.
I mean, some of the figures I understand, you know,
home ern and things. But I thought Caesar was an
interesting choice for that.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
Yeah, me too, based off a lot of the things
that Caesar did. I mean, I don't know that i'd
put him in that category, right, I don't know. Anyways,
they keep going then make it to the second circle
of Hell, where they encounter people who are overcome by
lust and there and there in their lives. You know
that they were you know, just I don't know, you know,

(28:34):
they doing what he's doing, literally, what he's doing, like, hey,
we're gonna see you shortly, man, you just keep on
going old talk soon.

Speaker 2 (28:49):
Actually at the entrance of that level of hell, just
a bunch of people just like.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
They're actually so so. During this circle there are violent windstorms.
So they're like being blown back and forth by strong winds,
which prevents them from getting peace. They're they're they're not
there is no time for them to just relax. They're
just constantly being blown around, being blown around. These are

(29:22):
the strong winds symbolize a restlessness of a person who
is driven by the desire of lust.

Speaker 2 (29:28):
Yeah, always being torn this way and that. And as
a matter of fact, in the game, I love how
this this whole thing coincides with and the way they
purposely stepped the game one thing after the other in
that it shows a tornatic scene where you know, Dante
has his confrontation in the game, and the moaning and

(29:51):
wailing in the ash. It's it's like it's lustful at
the same time, it's almost like cries of desperation where
this just continuous want for all of Attorney. It's really
kind of freaking sad it is.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I mean, and the hard thing about lust is is
it it's tough for a human being to not just
kind of it just kind of hits you. You see something,
you know, man and woman. I think men are worse
about it than women are, at least talking about it

(30:25):
or or visibly showing it. But you know it's it's
we express our lust towards people every day. Well it's
verbally or visually what you got evolution you're holding You're
like gritting your teeth.

Speaker 1 (30:38):
Over there being I'm gonna have to pay for the
things that I'm thinking right now. I disagree. I think
women are way more lustful than men.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
Okay, this is hear me out.

Speaker 1 (30:56):
In every scenario when lust is involved, for some reason,
people are trained to look at the man, right, mm hmm.
But who is the man with you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (31:10):
It's like we do get it. We do get attached
easier than women do.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
It's it's like, okay, I'm gonna use these examples. All right,
you slept with a married woman. No, a married woman
slept with me, right, because let me think about it,
she knew she was married, right. Even if he knew
she was married, he might have not have known that

(31:37):
she was married. You see what I'm saying. Yeah, So
if it's mutual, then it's the woman's fault in my opinion,
because she ventured off out of the situation she was in.
She spread it, she allowed it to enter, and they
did what they did and boom. You know, I'm saying,

(32:01):
any guy I can outride a chick, you know what
I'm saying. But if the woman responds, is it the
man's fault?

Speaker 3 (32:10):
It goes both ways. But I think that that scenario
does play out that way more often. In that scenario, like,
I've known men that have done this, done that exact thing.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
But I do.

Speaker 3 (32:21):
I mean I was in a situation like that where
it was a married woman and I didn't know until
after you know. So, I mean, I'm not gonna say
that you're wrong, but I do know men that have
done that and don't care. But I don't know. I
think that I also get I think that a lot
more men get attached to the woman that that they're

(32:43):
with easier then women get attached to the man, like
it takes a lot more for a man to can
kind of get that trust in a woman. I think
men are a lot more easily persuaded by women.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
Yes, I agree, I agree that I agree, But here
here a whole.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Bolster evolutions point here. I have been to strip clubs
with you know, majority of men and a few women
watching the women dance around, all right. I have also
been to I did a two week run with this
comedian named Eda May, and at the end of every

(33:27):
one of her shows, she had this thing called Edda's Men,
where she had chippendale dancers that she hired. So we
do the comedy show and then lights would come up,
and most of the dudes would leave, a couple would stay,
and all the women would stay, all right, and then
the lights would go back down. The music would start

(33:48):
and these dudes would run out into the room wearing
only daisy dukes and cowboy boots and all over the women.
And let me tell you the differ rents between how
men behave in a strip club versus how these psych goes.
When these oiled up dandies come running out and just

(34:09):
all over the place it is night and freaking day,
you would think they were insane psycho host beasts. Right,
These are just like, yeah, that's nice. And these it's like,
I'm surprised these guys had skin left after these shows.
They are insane reprehensible, all right.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
And I guess physically, I mean, if we want to
talk physically like an appearance, I think men are a
lot less like worried about their appearance when they go
out than a woman is. Like they want to appear
a certain way, a majority of them. I'm not saying everybody,
So don't sit here and think that I'm saying. But
you know, if you have sixty percent of your chest
showing your spray pay, you know, you're spraying this glitter

(34:52):
on you, and you go out in public and a
guy looks and you're like, pervert. I mean, is it
his fault or is it your fault? I mean, let's
be earlier. You know, so I can't is a real thing.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Now, that's a tough road to go down when you're
talking to questions because you know women and male feminists
are going to jump all over you saying it's not
ever their fault.

Speaker 3 (35:13):
It's like, this will be a great clip, guys, a
lot of controversial response.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
Yeah, but it's like if we're speaking in reality, okay,
Like we have this thing in the back of our
brains that I think Lee Child did it wrote about
it best in the Jack Reacher series where he called
it the lizard brain. It is an old operating system
that is ingrained into our DNA. You know, it's fight

(35:40):
or flight, it's it's tribalism. It's all the things that
we have left over from when we were cave people.
And it is natural. And this is why I never
bagged my wife. When like a hot dude walks by
and she's like appreciation, it's like, of course, you're wired

(36:00):
to look at this, Like she's enamored with Matthew McConaughey.
That's a good looking man. And I heard he has
got a hog the size of the Mount Washington, right,
So the fact that he's all about it it's like,
you know what, you go and if you have a chance,
you go for it.

Speaker 3 (36:14):
Right, I'm all again, I'll look the other way. It's fine.
Just don't tell me about It's fine.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
But you know what I'm saying, It's like it's it's
it's old operating software that are we are just we
see this thing we want to appropriate with coming by,
and our natural inclination is I want to you know,
with that thing, right, but our modern sensibilities tell us no,

(36:41):
you know, we were We live in a civilized society,
so you behave yourself, you know. But to get mad
at people for you know, reacting that in a manner
that their DNA pushes them to do, you know, it's
it's the same as if you touch a hot thing
and you your brain goes, you know, stove hot, Stop

(37:02):
touching you see hot thing, where your primary instinct is
to reproduce and continue the species, which is true across
all of nature. Okay, just because we are the highest
reasoning animals on this planet doesn't mean we're different in that.
So to excoriate men or women for having those impulses

(37:26):
is insanity.

Speaker 1 (37:27):
I agree, I agree, nicely done, And to what I
was saying, yes, women are more in that area.

Speaker 3 (37:37):
Than al Right, all right, let's let's let's go. Let's
keep going.

Speaker 1 (37:45):
Let's like.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Twelve minutes on that subject, Sean's evolution. I'm going to
back you up here, but a little bit more information,
all right. So we're on to Dante. And then they
made it through the second circle of lust, and actually
I think that the second circle in this circle probably

(38:11):
should have been flipped. So the third circle is gluttony.
Dante and Virgil find souls of gluttons who are watching
over or being watched over by the three headed monster
called Cerberus. Centers in the circle of Hell are punished
by being forced to lie in a vile slush created
by never ending icy rain. So it's literally feces and
icy rain. They're just in this like swampy area of

(38:34):
just feces and just icy rain, and it's to symbolize
their degradation, degradation of those who over indulge in food, drink,
and other earthly pleasures. He finds people like Kiyacho, who
tells him that the Gwelphs, which is what he was from,

(38:56):
will defeat and expel the Giblings, and he also find
some random emperors, and one from the Florence Florence during
this time is also there, and then they move on
to the fourth one. But I think the biggest thing
for for glutton that I don't like is I think
that lust. I don't know, what do you guys think,

(39:17):
I think that I don't know. They're both kind of
a tough one because I don't think. I don't know
that I agree that that glutton should be in a third.

Speaker 1 (39:27):
Well, okay, let me take a step at this. Glutton
is like lusting for food tenda, right, right, But wouldn't that.

Speaker 3 (39:39):
Be less like less intense than lusting over a person?

Speaker 1 (39:45):
I don't know. I mean, ask someone who is four
hundred plus pounds.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
I'll ask Dante when I get down to the second
circlerecent of excess.

Speaker 2 (39:57):
Okay, we're not just talking about food like food is, right,
but if you're looking at lust, lust is I mean, okay,
if we can kind of like a little bit, you know,
bottleneck this down to lust is you know, flesh desiring
the flesh, right, but with gluttony, excess of alcohol, excess

(40:18):
of food, excess of this, I mean, it's it's a
little bit broader of a topic. So perhaps that's why
the level is a little is further down because it's
not just this one focus of wanting some titties and ass.
It is you want many things and you did not
stop yourself. So now you have to sit basically and

(40:39):
have the grossest slushy that has ever been conceived.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
That's that's that's a better way to explain it.

Speaker 1 (40:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, because it's like you said, it's more
broad and the focus is not just one direction.

Speaker 2 (40:54):
It's like in all directions, right, the cerebras Sarah Brus Yeah,
the three Headed service. Yeah, I will tell you in
the video game. Once you guys are done, I wish
you could pull up images on this platform. I can't

(41:15):
wait this out.

Speaker 3 (41:17):
Towards the end of it, I probably just use my
phone and I'll share some stuff.

Speaker 2 (41:21):
Okay. The image from the video game of their concept
of what this creature looks like is terrifying. You know,
coming up, when we're kids, we hear about the three
headed dog, right, you know that was Haites dog, and
you picture this basically what you saw on Harry Potter,
remember the fluffy that was guarding, right, That's what people picture.

(41:45):
But man, the concept from the game truly. It's like, man,
these people really try to envision what Hell is actually like.
It was scary.

Speaker 3 (42:00):
Yeah. No, I'm sure that the game is great, and honestly,
I probably should try to play it because I'm sure
it's it's an older game. I'm sure it's on all
the platforms.

Speaker 2 (42:09):
You will fall in love with it. Man.

Speaker 3 (42:12):
So so Dante and himself is a different character portrayed,
but it's the same, the same.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
Same journey. Bea trist the whole thing. Yeah, he is,
just he is a soldier that was not the best
human being. I'll tell us all right.

Speaker 3 (42:29):
All right, So as Dante continue traveling, Dante and Virgil
continue traveling. Uh, they make it to the fourth circle
of Hell. There is So there's a reason why I'm
kind of sort of keeping this vague because I want
people to want to go find out more for themselves,
you know, I don't want to There's a lot. I mean,
I researched this for like a month because I really

(42:51):
wanted to do it. Basically, when I said, hey, would
you be interested in doing this topic, I started researching it.
And there's a lot. I mean that each each circle
of Hell has its own monster or being demon. One
of them is even a worm monster. I mean, so
it's crazy and there's a lot that you can really

(43:11):
dive into. I'm trying to keep it sort of light
so that you guys, if you are intrigued by what
we're talking about, can look more into it. So I don't.
I mean, I'm actually totally cool with Sean talking about it,
because he's like very expressionative.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
All right.

Speaker 3 (43:29):
So they move into the four Circle of Hell and
Dante and virgilll find the soul of people who are
punished for greed. They are divided into two groups, those
who hoarded possessions and those who lavishly spent. They are
seen jousting with one another. They are using great weights
as a weapon, pushing it with their chests, like rocks,
big boulders, things like that to symbolize their selfishness or

(43:52):
their selfish pursuit for wealth. During their lifetime. Both groups
are guarded by a character called Pluto, you know, Goofy's
dog or no, I guess it was. It was not
it was Mickey Mouse's dog. Pluto down there just kind
of you know, making everybody happy as they're jousting away. No, No,

(44:13):
I'm totally lying, guys. It's it's not It's not Mickey
Mouse's dog. It's based off the old that they believe.
It's based off the ancient and Roman ruler of the underworld. Anyways,
the souls are so occupied with their actions that Dante
and Virgil don't even talk to them. They just keep
on cruising. What do you got, evolution? You got anything yet?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (44:37):
Still piecing it together? Kind of really messed up on
the poop slushy, but.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
And it makes me want to go to Sonic and
and the ice?

Speaker 1 (44:50):
What is the icy rain ice with the poop slushy.
I don't know how they came with that combination, but
uh yeah, that's that's that's kind of where.

Speaker 3 (45:01):
And to be forced there and to be forced there
for all eternity just to live in that slush m m.

Speaker 2 (45:08):
Yeah, well you could get that he came up with
it back then because he could go to the local store.

Speaker 1 (45:15):
The the v I I X I.

Speaker 3 (45:25):
Was it wasn't like a symbol of wealth, was gluttony
like like fruits and just like the whole like shary
setups and like if you were a bigger person and
it was actually a symbol of wealth, right, Yeah, being.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Fat back then? Was that was man That was a
statement in society because it isn't like you could go
to a seven eleven. I mean, yeah, they had you know,
bakers and markets and things like that, but to have
that kind of x excess. I'll tell you what I
thought was always interesting in that level of hell and

(46:02):
how they were so obsessed with you know, the avarice,
you know, the gaining and pushing of their stones and
all the stuff that was going on when we went
through that level with Virgil is that he comes from
a family of money lenders, right right, And while you
look at the different levels are surrounding greed, greed was

(46:30):
for me, I thought it was a bit tepid. So
I don't know if that was in what you guys think,
but it just seems like as a reflection of, you know,
his family, it seemed like he almost went a little
light on it was always kind of my opinion on
the thing.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah, I mean, if you look into a lot of it,
he kind of he doesn't like he only portrays like
frustration towards other characters. He doesn't really talk too much
about his own family. He really doesn't in a lot
of this stuff and you know, Dante's Inferno is actually

(47:08):
one of three poems that he wrote. He's got one
for Inferno, one for Purgatory, and one for Heaven. I
mean they're they're titled differently, but that's not what this
is about. But he did do all of them, and
most of every one of them is depicted on political
figures and Beatrice, every single one of them. But he

(47:28):
really doesn't talk too much about about his life or
his family. And actually he had three kids, but he
didn't talk about one of them at all, and so
some people even speculate that the third one ever even existed.
So there's that. So yeah, sure you're not wrong, you're
not wrong at all. All right, So we're on to

(47:50):
level five, or the fifth circle of Hell, as Dante
and Virgil continue this path towards Beatrice. And it's funny
the more that we talk about this and the more
that I researched them, like, man, this has nothing to
do with like, it's really not religion, Like he's incorporating
religion a little bit, but really it's just him kind

(48:15):
of releasing his frustration in words. That's literally all it is.
And he's using what he knows from religion to write this.
That's all it is. Yeah, So the fith circle of
Hell is where the wrathful and the soulon are punished
for their sins. Wrathful taking out anger and aggression on

(48:36):
other people. Solon is more frustration. They're just angry people.
They're not really taking it out on other people, but
that they're just angry people in life. So that kind
of for those of you who don't know what sulon is,
I had to look it up.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
So there's that.

Speaker 3 (48:53):
So they're transported on a boat by flag yusleg Yes,
Dante virtual witness the wrathful fighting of each other on
the surface of the river sticks and the soul and
are underneath the surface fighting, so the river separates the
raffle from the soul once again. The punishment reflects the

(49:15):
types of sins they committed during their lifetimes. While passing through,
they find Filippo Argentini, a prominent Florentine politician who confiscated
Dante's property in the real world.

Speaker 1 (49:28):
Wow, yeah, we're going to find him there for sure.

Speaker 3 (49:33):
One of those one of those black welves.

Speaker 1 (49:37):
There's no way I'm leaving him out of this poll.
We're throwing you with a fifth circle, no, the six circle.

Speaker 3 (49:50):
But again it's just again, it really kind of hits
that the frustration aspect of him just kind of throwing
characters into his poem from the real world that he
knew that did something wrong on to them.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Yeah, and how back then, you know, how else would
somebody clap back as as the youth will say at
somebody in power, they have you know, done things at
nature unless you're going to lead a revolution or you know,
a party of warriors down to take your stuff back
and kill you know, the black Dwelfs or the white

(50:24):
Dwelfs or you know whatever, So you.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Will appreciate this. You know how comedians are on stage
and they say, so, hey, these are just jokes, and
then somebody comes in, Yeah, yeah, it's just a poem.
I was being creative.

Speaker 2 (50:40):
Yeah, baby, that's all it is.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
I'm not I'm not racist, but I'm not trying to
be mean.

Speaker 2 (50:50):
But well, you're here talking about the white Dwarfs and
the black dwell black Dwelfs. I'm just sitting there going,
what do they have, Like a black Dwelf's only a
water fountain?

Speaker 3 (51:00):
You know, Hey, they actually they actually overtook Florence. So
you know, if anything may be the white people, the
white gelves add they're on a little fountain.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
But yeah, it's it. And the thing is, it's crazy.
It's not crazy. It's it's interesting that, you know, he
didn't try to allude to, you know, like this politician
who had these qualities was on the fifth level of hell.
It's like, no, this particular by name at one twenty

(51:37):
three Olivet Drive, you know, was on the fifth level.
Just very clear.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
As soon as he hit there, he could like sniff
him out. He's like, oh, oh he's here, We're good.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
Yeah, funny you just so happened to run into him.

Speaker 3 (51:56):
You know, if somebody confiscated my property, i'd probably do
the same thing. Though I'm not gonna lie.

Speaker 2 (52:01):
I'm not saying it was wrong for doing it. It's
just you know, the irony of this journey through hell
and hell, like you said, it specifically just bumps into them.

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Yes, yeah, it's it's it's like I said, I was
very fascinated when I started to research this, and actually
I really want to read the book now because I've
only you know, researched, you know, stuff on the internet.
Other other podcasts, a lot of blogs, a few webs
you know, Wikipedia information, and I'm going white with the

(52:33):
information that I got. I mean, there's a lot. But
it definitely made me because I always thought, you know,
the Nine Circles of Hell is like, oh yeah, heaven
in Hell. But it's it's really as you dive into it,
it's not.

Speaker 2 (52:48):
This is a ridiculous amount of information and things to
download and take all of it in. I mean, look,
just here, we've only been We're on the with the
fifth level and we're almost an hour into the cat ad.

Speaker 3 (53:00):
It's great. I expected this one to run about hour
and a half, so even a little bit longer, so
which I'm fine with. We we started a little early tonight,
which is great. But yeah, it's it's we're actually you know,
hitting the topics and discussing him, which is what I wanted.
So that's good. So as we move on to the
sixth circle, after he burned down this guy's property, uh D,

(53:24):
I would probably have probably fought him before I moved
on to the sixth circle, yea, out of him moved on.
Excuse me, Virgil, can we can we hold for a
few minutes? I understand he's in hell, but I'm gonna
beat that down.

Speaker 1 (53:47):
Take me to this corner before we go around. I'm
just gonna lots of rock in that direction.

Speaker 3 (53:52):
And I don't think you even have to hide it
you're in hell. So they're probably a lot, all right.
So six circle as heresy. Again, all of these circles
do have monsters that they get confronted by at the beginning.
I'm not going to dive too much into them. There's
a lot. Actually, that's a whole another episode in itself,

(54:14):
kind of the symbolism of each monster, but that's not
what this one's about. So maybe a later time. So
when they get to the sixth circle, Dante and Virtual
encounter the heretics. I can't contend to spend attorney in
flaming tombs. Here, Dante talks with a couple of Florentines,
are not the digli Uberti and cav Cavalcante de capital Kante. Wow,

(54:38):
what a terrible name. But he also sees other notable
historian figures, including the ancient Greek philosopher Epicurius, the Holy
Roman emperor Frederick the Second, and Pope Anastasius the Second. Yeah,
so a lot of big political figures in there, and
even the philosophers. And the thing about philosophers back then

(55:01):
or is that a lot of government officials actually kind
of leaned on them because they didn't know how to
write either.

Speaker 2 (55:09):
Ye well, on philosophers back then too, that was not
something that was you were just on the corner philosophizing,
and people would listen and throw a duck it at
you and move on. Like sometimes they would say stuff
that would get them in a shitload of trouble, and
they were at odds a lot of times too, with

(55:30):
government officials and things. But I think one of the
things that's interesting about this level with some of the
figures that I mean, he's taken some pretty heavy swings,
some high up names on this one. You know, instead
of the specificity from level five. You know, you're you're
talking about you know, you're you're naming a pope, right.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And when we talked about heresy, we're talking sorry, go
go ahead, evolution before I move on with it.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I mean keeping my mind and this. You know Dante's family,
you know, they were giving other people money and they
were connected to all the people of this level. You
know what I'm saying, so, I'm sure he had access
to information and different things that occurred than most people didn't.

(56:20):
So either he was directly involved or through family communication,
knew a lot of things that most people just didn't,
which probably would have made him feel some type of
way about these individuals.

Speaker 3 (56:38):
Right, and when people like we're discussing heresy, a lot
of this frustration from Dante are political or big name
big figures and reality that kind of manipulated the religious
aspect to favor themselves is sort of how this goes.

(56:58):
So these characters that he naming, he has a certain
you know, view of them because of how they sort
of twisted the religious aspect in reality. If that makes sense, Yeah, perfect,
all right, so they move on. We're getting this seventh level? Right,
what do you got here?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I go again? I shouldn't say, you know what itself?
I was just gonna say, should I dare to write
a poem of this nature? I got some names that
I will probably put on certain levels as well.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Slush slushies for everyone.

Speaker 3 (57:49):
Ship slushies all around everybody. But no, I mean again,
especially during this time. I think the fact that he
wrote this the way that he did, he wrote it
to be obviously a huge it's like a monumental document,

(58:09):
you know, even today he put time in on it. Yeah,
he put a lot of time and effort into writing this.
And it's it's, it's the it's called like the Divine Comedy.
It's not even technically supposed to be a poem, but
it's it's, it's it's been categorized as at So as
they reached the seventh Circle of Hell, Dante and Virgil

(58:31):
are on the outer rings. Oh, it's divided into three rings.
The outer ring is housed by murderers and others who
were violent to other people or property. Here Dante sees
Alexander the Great, uh Dionysis of Syracuse, Guy de mont
Fort not Guy Fury, and many other notable historical and

(58:52):
mythological figures, such as Centaurus submerged in a river of
boiling blood and fire. That's that's that's a rough place
to be. I think, I take this ship slush.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
So you're saying, if I heard the name right, the
Cleatorus is hiding on the third ring of the level.
Why you can't find it.

Speaker 3 (59:21):
They're too busy burning in the bloody fire.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
River that's called the celebration of womanhood.

Speaker 3 (59:28):
Anyway, in the middle in the middle ring, the poet
sees those who committed suicide. Their souls have been transformed
into trees and bushes constantly being tormented by harpies that
are tearing at their leaves. So harpies, I did a
little bit of research, are basically like vultures with a

(59:48):
woman's face, and they're just eating the trees or they're
beating the crap out of these trees, chewing them up forever.
So those are harpies. And actually some of the deep
depictions of harpies are pretty creepy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:05):
Okay, all right, okay, I gotta say go ahead. So
these these creatures that are attacking these trees and bushes
have the face of women.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Yes, actually the breast too, like this this portion right
here is all woman, and then they have wings, right,
and then they have like really nasty talenty claws at
the bottom half.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
So some of the most terrifying creatures that are created
in this image.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
Yeah, alright, they're they're in the seventh these they're the.

Speaker 1 (01:00:49):
Anyways, it just gives you a lot to think about
when it comes to women.

Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Definitely, Dante's depiction of men the thirteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Hey, I think he's accurate and a lot of things
even today. I know, I know of a couple with
their face bout it would fit really good on that
type of attack, animal, beast thing, whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
Again, the art reflecting the opinions of the of the creator.
He's got you know, herpet on the seventh level. I mean,
because as you're the idea is the further into hell
or farther into hell that you get, the greater the punishments,

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the greater the sin, you know. I mean we're talking
murderers and everything else, and suicide has never been looked
upon with favor by religion. It's always you know, I mean,
and remember the movie What Dreams May Come, Yes, Williams
suicide was concerned are the worst you know, and that

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that and how that all played out beetlejuice, that's another
one we're talking about afterlife and religious you know, ideas
and ideals was you know, suicides, you know how and
how that ended up. You know, they were in servitude
for all of eternity because I remember the girl said,
I wouldn't have had my little accident, right, So again,

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the worst of the worst, you know, it's it's it's
going down. And now you've got this mythical mare that is,
you know, the evolution you're saying, it's like the the
epitome of you know, I mean that that term has
made its way into common parlats. I've heard people call
older women harpies before. Yeah, you know, so interesting that

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the way Dante's pushing his own thoughts into this, not
just with the political figures and things.

Speaker 3 (01:02:57):
Right, And additionally to to the those who commit suicide,
you also have the profligate profligates or gatte's I don't
even know, those who recklessly wasted their lives are pursued
and attacked on on the ground. With these trees and
harpies being pursued by savage dogs. The Inner Ring holds

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blasphemers and sodomites who suffer in a desert of burning
sand and burning rain falling from the sky. What you got, Sean,
You're you're you're holding back something, man.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Yes, it's you know, it's like you have murderers, right, murderers,
these terrible evil people, and then these people said butt
fuck cursed God's name, and they were butt fuckers.

Speaker 3 (01:03:54):
Like the they're worse than the murderers.

Speaker 2 (01:04:00):
Dante was a bit homophobic.

Speaker 3 (01:04:02):
Yeah, probably, I mean, yeah, blasphem, blasphemy. I mean, that's
that's the biggest part of what you just said is
basically people who talked bad about religion or God, and
and then it's just it's crazy that he put him
below or even further in than the murderers.

Speaker 1 (01:04:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:26):
Yeah, how would you justify that?

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
Like he he comes from his political view, it should
be his religious based, so like he's very Christian oriented,
you know, so for him, it's like you talk, you know,
talk bad about in the name of God, then that
you're you know, you're worse than a murder. I don't know,
I can see his view of it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:48):
Yeah, I think you're hitting it red on the nose. Man,
depending on I mean, think about how people look at
things today. Uh, and you go back that many years. Uh,
it's probably amplified considerably because of the time in days
of things. I mean, they chop people's head off, They
they cut your hand off if you stole something, you

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know what I mean, they cut your tongue out if
you lie. It was extreme, you know what I'm saying.
So I could see and understand why it could be,
like you said, considered worse than a murderer.

Speaker 2 (01:05:26):
Yeah, in that time frame, Yes, yeah, yeah, I just
what a what a horrible thing. It's you know, like
you say, God damn it, and somebody's your mom's like, oh,
you're gonna be with the butt fuckers for the rest.

Speaker 3 (01:05:39):
Of Yeah, yeah, I mean that's that would definitely straighten
up a child.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
There be hot sand, Mama, or you bat chot, I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:00):
Like how you have like an accent thrown in there.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
And rain and.

Speaker 2 (01:06:10):
You'll curse the Lord's name. You're going to be there
with those people that do the butt sex. You went
across the hot beach when we were in Miami with
your Yeah, and then there will be a butt fucker
next to you.

Speaker 3 (01:06:27):
All right, So Dante Virgil, as we continue past the
butt fuckers, Uh. The eighth Circle of Hell is more
the fraudulent. Dante Virgil reached it on the back of
Dirry on a flying monster with different natures. Just like
the Fraudulent, the Circle of Hell is divided into ten

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ten ditches basically, and each ditch houses different groups. So
the first ditch is the ponderers and seducers he finds uh,
and the second ditch he finds flatterers. And all these
ditches are divided by bridges, basically as are passing them.
The third ditch is guilty of semony, which do you

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what what Sean, Do you know what semony is?

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
No, I'm not. I know about the ditches, but I
don't know what semony is.

Speaker 3 (01:07:20):
I'm looking it up. Definition of semony, I guess the
buying or selling of ecclesiastical privileges like pardons or benefices.

Speaker 2 (01:07:35):
Oh okay, okay, yep, yep, okay, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
So yeah there's that, guys, I'm teaching you some things
and me after that. The fourth ditch they find sorcerers
and false prophets. The fifth ditch is corrupt politicians. The
sixth one is hypocrites. Dante finds in the seventh one

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theme evil counselors in the eighth and divisive individuals. And
the night well he unloaded on this one, yes, the
very last one. The tenth is the falsifiers such as alchemist,
perjurers and counterfeitters. Counterfeitters are worse than murderers.

Speaker 2 (01:08:21):
Yeah, and and butt fuckers and butt fuckers and and
make this rad I just.

Speaker 3 (01:08:31):
What Evolution does a great job at bringing us back
in though he's got the lighter aspect of it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Oh man, Uh so, I just I just think that's
unloaded on un level level mind there. Yes, Uh, he
just put all of the people that just uh got
on his nerves that he didn't mention prior. He put
all the groups and just throw him there and and

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then the tenth counterfeiters and falsifiers. I'm thinking that's a
that's a nerve being struck because either something that you
created was stolen or taken and maybe even when he

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tried to contest it or say, hey that's mine. I
did that. I created that a lot about it, and uh,
it's just no coming back. It's it's like, say, for instance,
you create a I'm gonna bring it to life. Let's
just say Bill Gates and h uh, I know his name.

(01:09:52):
What's the other guys name? Big in computers?

Speaker 3 (01:09:55):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
John, thank you, thank you st j Uh. They were
they were on a computer hunt, you know, for for
many years, and they were on a race to try
to be the first one to create and develop the
next big thing, which was a computer.

Speaker 2 (01:10:13):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:10:14):
Bill Gates of course got the leg up, and then
Steve Jobs hated him forever. Uh for not being that one,
excuse me for being number two. I'm thinking maybe there
was a scenario like this, Uh not maybe to that,
to that level, but uh, someone specifically with that type

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of person just uh pissed him off.

Speaker 3 (01:10:40):
Well. And I imagine during this timeframe, I mean, you
don't have the media like we do, so i mean
word of mouth. Somebody could have easily taken information from
him and utilize it for themselves. I'm sure happened all
the time back then.

Speaker 1 (01:10:54):
Yeah, it even happens today.

Speaker 3 (01:10:56):
Yes, Well, and.

Speaker 2 (01:10:58):
You're also looking at his situation where he's you know,
trapped away from home and he's having things taken from him,
and you know, all the political intrigue and stuff surrounding
him and his family and and you know all of
that and people that are you know, bearing falsewiss witness
against him, his family, everything else. I mean, and it

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was probably constant from a lot of sources. That's probably like,
like you said, he's really leaning into this tenth level
or the ditches because of what is happening to him
and his family. And you know, no wonder he's because

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I mean, frankly, you know, hypocrites and you know, fraudsters,
et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. You know, it would
be easier on a person to have to suffer all
the things that he was suffering if you it's almost like,
you know, you just fucking kill me. You know what
does kill me? My life would be easier if you,
instead of dragging this torture out, just end it now, right. Yeah,

(01:12:05):
So I could see why that is a level or
two down for him.

Speaker 3 (01:12:09):
Yes, Yeah, being the eighth circle in the ditches, I
think that's a very personal attack kind of thing, things
that were against him in their life and his real life.
So that's where he put a lot of them. Yeah,
So as I get to and actually I didn't talk
about it, but this circle of Hell has actually got

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a lot of minotaurs. Minotars are kind of overseeing the ditches,
and actually they Virgil convinces one of the minotas after
they're all like very aggressive, just pissed off, you know,
half bull half human creature things that eventually one of
them kind of guides them through the ditches. So there's

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a lot there's actually things that happen, and every one
of these circles, he puts a lot more like deep.
There's a ton of detail that he puts into the
level of these circles. So if you do your researcher,
you're interested in this and you want to read the book,
please do. I mean, I plan on reading this book.
So and itways as we get to the ninth circle,

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it is for the Treachery. For treachery, it's broken into
four regions. It's basically a massive frozen lake and Dante
talks about seeing mountains off in the distance, but actually
they're not mountains, they're giants. And these giants actually aren't
even really bad creatures, they're just they were placed there

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and one of them they climb onto his palm and
he lowers them through the lake. And there's four different
regions of the lake, so based off the seriousness of
their sins, so those who committed more severe sins are
deeper in the ice. The first region is named Kana
for Cain who killed Abel. Region two is named Antonorra

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after Anthonore of Troy, who was counselor of the priamsduring
the Trojan War. Region three is named Ptolemaia after the
son of Abbabus, and Region four is named Judaica after
Judas who betrayed Jesus with a kiss, so very religious. Uh.

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On the on the tenth circle or the ninth circle,
what she has.

Speaker 2 (01:14:23):
Got its fitting again considering everything that he's he's gone through,
But I think this one, you know, there's a bit
more of the religious tie in. Then there is stuff
reflected is being reflected from his h his life, you know,

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especially with the Judas you know, which interesting that that
is like one of the deepest, lowest levels for him,
you know, and you've you've got the most powerful beings
that he could can conceive of giants out there to
watch over the entire thing too.

Speaker 1 (01:15:08):
What what what stands out to me is, uh, if
you look at some of these levels, uh, of course
they're all disgusting and probably probably the worst environments to
be in. But this one is focusing on being frozen
and and being stuck in deeper levels of frozen uh situations,

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which is.

Speaker 3 (01:15:37):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
I mean it's one thing to be I guess on
flames and burning, but I guess to be frozen is
way worse.

Speaker 2 (01:15:48):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:15:49):
It's it's cold, it's cold blooded, you know what I mean.
It's like these acts or these categories in these four regions.
We're so heinous that, uh, flames is not good enough
for them. It's it's got to be.

Speaker 3 (01:16:05):
Well, think about, you're frozen in a lake. You're not
even moving, You're just Yeah, for.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
All you're you're a fossil.

Speaker 3 (01:16:15):
At least in the flames are moving for eternity. You know.
It's not like they're not just stuck. They're at least moving. Uh,
these guys are just they're they're they're screwed. They ain't
going anywhere. There's stuck in ice.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
I mean, the creativity and and and all the descriptions,
even though we're not getting into specifics like like the
book and everything else, it's still real eye opening, I
guess too, uh to understand everything that was put into

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this poem whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:16:52):
You know.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
Uh, of course it took them with twelve years to write. Yeah,
that's that's a lot of deep consideration. And I mean,
can you imagine how many times he edited and went
back to say, no, that's not bad, that's not worse.
It's gotta be worse.

Speaker 3 (01:17:07):
Got to buy another page. I gotta buy another page.

Speaker 1 (01:17:10):
It's gotta be a worse punishment than than what I
got here. It's gotta be something deep, dark and disgusting,
you know what I mean. So I can I can
only imagine how many scrap papers it took to get
to where the final edit, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
Yeah, And for the and as we we kind of
talked about the edits, you know, the paper back then
was like stretched stretched animal skin. It's really realized is
a extremely stretched animal skin that was being used for paper.
So that's why it was so expensive, because it was
a process to get that one sheet. They so at

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the very fourth circle where the Judeca, that level of
that said circle, whatever the depth the fourth and depth
of the lake, and Judeca they find the three headed Satan.
He depicts Satan a three headed beast frozen waist down
in the lake, and he's each head is gnawing on

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either Judas Brutus or Cassius nice So, and it's that's
just their their eternity is being noted on by Satan.
He is so focused on gnawing on them that they
quickly climb up aside and get to the river of
Leith that takes him on their journey to the upper

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world or Heaven, which they reach on the Easter Sunday
that following Easter Sunday. That's it. That's that's our dive
on Dante's his his depiction of Satan. I mean, he
goes into detail on Satan, but they're they're like interaction
with him is very very vague, like he puts more
definition into all these other circles of hell, and that

(01:18:51):
he puts the what he envisions the worst people being
gnawed on by Satan. They're like, okay, let's keep going.
You know, they made it through all of that, and
then Satan is just some frozen in the ice like you.
In our thinking, we we depict Satan as this like
crazy like flamed beast, but he's not. He's frozen in
the ice knowing on some some bad people.

Speaker 2 (01:19:17):
What do you got, Sean, No, I just picture like
you ever see a toddler with like a you know,
a just sitting there chewing on it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:30):
I'm thinking more like a dog slobbering on a tennis ball.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
Yeah, you know what that is.

Speaker 2 (01:19:37):
It's almost like and I remember thinking this before, it's
it's almost like a letdown when you've gone through this
incredible journey. And I think that's kind of what you
were intimating here. It's like, then you get to Satan.
This is the head dude, the one you know the most.
Every like, everything is leading down to this guy, and

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you've got him just going come rah, all right, let's
you know, journey's over, and that's it's you know, it's
almost like the TV series Dexter. You have this magnificent
journey of insanity all the way up to the very
last few episodes, in the very last episode and everybody's

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just left kind of defeated by what they ran into
at the end because it was such a letdown. And
this kind of has that same flavor to it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:29):
Yeah, I can identify with both of you, but I'm
thinking more of like, because I'm a movie watcher. I
watch movies all the time. I'm thinking of a movie
that starts spectacular, it builds, it builds, it builds, it's perfect,
it's great. It's great, it's great. And they put so
much creativity into the start, in the middle, leading up
to the end. About the time to get to the end,

(01:20:50):
they're like, I got nothing. You know what I mean,
I can't I can't tell what I build up to.
I have nothing, you know, school brained it. And they said, well,
we got to end it somehow, you know. Okay, so
let's just have the person shoot the other person in
this it, you know, you know what I mean. And

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then you're like yo, like on the ins hoes or
into your seats, and you're like, you get to the like,
really that's it?

Speaker 2 (01:21:17):
What a what?

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:21:19):
So I think maybe because Dante poured so much creativity
into all the other levels, by the time he got
to the last level, he just didn't have enough. Let
I mean, he couldn't dig any deeper.

Speaker 3 (01:21:34):
It also kind of puts some infant It kind of
solidifies the concept of that this wasn't so religious based.
I mean, he used hell to put these people he
didn't like in it, but it was about it was
about the people who did him wrong and the people
on how he saw them, not Satan himself, just the
people that he wanted to place there.

Speaker 2 (01:21:55):
So yeah, yeah, then I think you're right. And I
think that's he, for lack of a better term, shot
as what you know, and it's like, okay, well we've
gotten to the last bit here. Well here are some
really bad people. Well there's brutus and you know, and
but you know what I mean, it's yeah, he ran

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out of victims is what it did.

Speaker 3 (01:22:18):
Yeah, it's exactly what it was. So, I mean that's
a rap, guys. I mean we just we just tretched
through the Nine Circles of Hell tonight and kind of
made it made a comical depiction. But I think that
our views and our opinions, I think this is a
perfect show for for this topic. Is there anything that
you guys took from this or maybe even I mean, Sean,

(01:22:42):
you played the game, so you kind of had some
knowledge obviously, but evolution, Like have you ever heard about
Dante's Inferno before tonight?

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yes? I have, I just haven't doved this deep into
what it was really all about. You know, it's just
one of those things you hear about in passing or
there's some mention of it as you go through class
or hallways or different schools or just different places, and uh,

(01:23:13):
you know, even church. You know, you might hear some
things that you kind of hint on some of the
things that go on within these passages. But for the
most part, this is like me getting a lot more
information about it all at once, and and I can't
help but just just the thing that tands out is

(01:23:36):
like the poop and the poop slash and ice icy
rain man. I don't know why I can't get past that,
but it's just it's just there.

Speaker 3 (01:23:51):
That's fair man, that's fair. But what about you, Sean,
what's you have for final words on this?

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:23:57):
Well, you know, I mean I my growing up, we
had a library in my house. My mom was a
reader bibliophile, and I was exposed to a lot of
different stuff like this grown up, so I was aware
of it. But I think the thing that cemented it,
honestly was the you know, exposure of the game, because
it took this thing that you know, I had dabbled

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in and read about, and then like played it out visually.
And I think my takeaway from this is anybody that
watches this episode, you know we've been joking around in
things and talking, you know, loosely about the different things.
And credit to you for all the research that you
did do.

Speaker 1 (01:24:40):
Boy, it was a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
But the thing is, and because of the research that
you've done, you know, I want to caution people. It's like,
even with the political attacks and personal attacks that he's
putting on people through his work, this stuff is terrifying.
Like we we've given it this kind of umbrella vision

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of what these different things are. But when you really
start getting into the detail of the levels and the
things that are going on, you know, the concepts that
he had in his imagination were just truly terrifying. So
this is not going to be an easy read where
it's just coasting through. I mean, it is the worst

(01:25:25):
imagination of all all possible terrible things down there, right right,
So just be prepared once you start diving in.

Speaker 3 (01:25:32):
It is some of the things that I read are
from the monsters to the things that the people were enduring.
I mean, he puts some depth and some gore into
the verbiage of this this whole thing. It is, it is,
it is very enticing. Like for me doing the research,
I'm like, oh, I'm interested. Like that's cool, and a

(01:25:55):
lot of you might be. But if you have, like
if you're squeamish, faint of herror, you know, whatever it might,
this might be as far as you go. But yeah,
but that's what I got, guys. You know, it's it's
exciting to be back with you both. I mean, we've
had crazy holidays, switch of platforms, but we're gonna come

(01:26:18):
back head on. Numbers are still growing. I mean, we're
doing great over the last few months. You know, the
Facebook channel's grown, YouTube's still steadily climbing. We're up to
like eleven hundred and sixteen subscribers, and even TikTok, I
mean just from posting clips from the shows has climbed
several hundred followers, you know. So, I mean just it's

(01:26:42):
just a matter of getting her name out there. So
to everybody that's tuning in tonight, to everybody that's gonna
listen later on or made it this far into the show,
we appreciate you so much. We got a lot of
stuff coming, more blurred lines on the way, We got
the Journey to coming as it's almost completely wrapped up.
We just got a few final touches, but it'll be

(01:27:04):
out there soon and we're looking forward to a new
aspect that I'm not going to talk about about one
of your shows. And yeah, man, I mean I'm excited.
I'm excited to see where things go. So yeah, absolutely,
until next time, everybody, we will see you around.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
Take care,