Death of Franchesca Alvarado

What happened to Franchesca in Atlantic City 2012? Join us while we break down the details.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:12):
What's going on? Everybody? Welcome back to JG's Lounge for
another episode of Singed Eye Sockets. I'm your host Jukebox,
and this is like episode ten or eleven. I'm not
really sure which one yet. Evolution was asking right before
we started, but it's so much fun. This is probably
of all the shows, this is my favorite. I do
the most research as far as my shows that I host,

(00:35):
which actually, at this point, I feel like there's three
of us that host the show, because you know, we're
at every one of them. Evolution to my left, Man,
I doing doing great.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
Man, It's been a good day so far. Looking forward
to the new adventure that we might have to be
involved with today.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
But I'm excited, man, I'm ready to go.

Speaker 1 (00:58):
Yeah. I mean, Evolution just launched our new show consistently
and consistent. It was his idea to kind of partner
up and host something together, and you know, you want
to kind of give everybody a real quick rundown on
what the show is about.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Well, sure, I was not prepared for this, and I'm
the lot.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
You know, I was just brainstorming one day and I
was like, you know, I want to do another show.
I have an idea. I approached Poetics with an idea
of a new show, and he didn't have time for that.
And I approached you about the idea of a new
show and you said, I don't have enough time, and
I'm like, okay, next thing, I know, you got graphics
and everything else ready to go.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
So so consistently and consistent.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
Is about I enjoyed doing this stuff, man.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
I mean, yeah, go ahead and break it down, Juboch,
you late in a way that I like, you explain it.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Okay, So okay, all right. So the point of consistently
consistent is I told him, I was like, I can't
commit to like a certain time slot a week. I
got just I got too much going on. There's no way.
I'd love to do it, but I can't. I can't commit.
So I said, let's just do a show this literally
not consistent. And that's how he came up with it.

(02:24):
And then we kind of bounced a couple of ideas
back and forth on what we could do. And then
I said, well, why don't we do life topics that
are not consistent? So we each find three topics and
we just kind of show our views on them, and
that's the show.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
Yeah, nice, personal went pretty good and looking forward to
the signal.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Yeah. And then Sean Man, of course, I can't forget you.
He's the other co host for since the Eye Sockets. Man,
you've been really busy kind of fill everybody in man.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
Yeah, it's it's been a crazy couple of months. Typically
during the summer months, you know, comedy settles down, but
it has not been the case. I taped my first
TV special a couple of weeks ago. I did an
East Coast tour last last week. Next week, I'm going
back out on a small tour with about five other

(03:20):
headliners from around the nation. And on top of that,
you know, I teach college, an author. You know, I've
I've got two casts, which actually I'm next week I'm
gonna be recording both A Redemption and a Blurred Lines. Uh,
you know, so that's going to be very exciting. I

(03:40):
found I found another guy that's a a I'm not
gonna call him Conspiracy theorist is just another doc connector
that's going to be very excited to be on the
cast with with me. And uh yeah, I've just been
been loving it. And I finally stepped up to admin
status here, so I'm very excited about that too. So
that's good, lots good stuff, man, awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
So so Sean, I'm looking forward to you and to
your light low a show with me.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
It'll be you guys on your phone, just traveling from
place to place because you're too busy to do a
show together.

Speaker 4 (04:21):
Well, you know, oddly enough, we just I'm also one
of the projects I'm working on as a TV series
with a comic from New York and we just met
with some funders the other day who made it to
the next step within the process. So, you know, man,
who knows. I'm just grateful for everything that's happening.

Speaker 3 (04:43):
Nice, congrats on all that, man, Yeah, man.

Speaker 5 (04:46):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (04:46):
Staying busy. Staying busy, Thomas. Man, it's been a while
since you've been on the show. How you doing.

Speaker 5 (04:52):
I'm good, man, Uh, you know, it's been everything's been
going well recently. A few lifestyle changes, some changes schedules
and I don't know, man, it's kind of taken a
different tone. So it's been really good lately. But you know,
I'm really happy you guys have kind of taken off here.
I mean, things are really going well, I mean individually
and together. So I'm just really happy to be a

(05:13):
part of it.

Speaker 6 (05:13):
So we we found that, you know, we worked great together.
So you know, we do a lot of shows together
and and I think we've gotten so comfortable.

Speaker 1 (05:24):
We don't have guests on.

Speaker 4 (05:25):
Very much, if I, if I may, though, not to
be the one of these things. It's not like the others.
But folks, if you'll notice I have this is all me,
all right, this is all Sean Shank reality. I don't
know what's going on with your augmented reality plaid background

(05:47):
at my grandma's house with green stuff, lady and gentlemen.
Sawn Shank from this camera just thrown that up.

Speaker 1 (05:59):
This is my life, right, guys.

Speaker 5 (06:02):
So well read yeah.

Speaker 4 (06:06):
This is mine, this is there.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
You go.

Speaker 3 (06:10):
True.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
It's a very nice clock, by the way, thank you.

Speaker 4 (06:14):
As a matter of fact, it came from a guy
named Ryan Babb who works at Black Labor Chronometers. See
it's like I feel like every time I say that
he grabs it. That's great, man, look at that so
clean looking awesome. He hang cut every single one of those,
Like you guys need to get one from him for

(06:35):
your different cast.

Speaker 6 (06:36):
Man.

Speaker 3 (06:41):
I'll take it.

Speaker 1 (06:42):
I just don't know where to squeeze it in between
all these books.

Speaker 4 (06:47):
Well, I'll tell you what. The thing that that you
guys are missing is. Uh, you know, I've I've got
I have my I've got a special thing that I
keep it on my ship stolen, they stole.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
You better not whip around with the middle finger. I
swear I am not.

Speaker 4 (07:07):
I would not be so cress or to do such
a thing. I think one of my special props is gone.
You know what, Move on, move on a.

Speaker 5 (07:17):
Sean.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
Okay, so this is this is my power up mushroom.

Speaker 1 (07:26):
You know.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Apparently I've got a camera watching me in here. Now
that's creepy here, all right, I'm always looking, always watching.

Speaker 1 (07:37):
All right? Are we ready to get into the night's case?

Speaker 3 (07:41):
All right?

Speaker 1 (07:42):
So this is the death of Francesca Alvarado. And before
I get too much into this, I did a lot
of research through some news articles, listen to some podcasts.
The majority of this information that I do have is
from a podcast called Crime Junkies. It's two women, and
I don't want to say that I got all of

(08:04):
the information from them, but most of the stuff that
I researched was in their podcast episode and a lot
of this will kind of overlay. I don't want to
say that I'm stealing any any of the content because
I think the flow of this show is of being
a live, interactive show. We're gonna have different perspectives on things,
so it's not going to be exactly the same. But

(08:26):
I just I want to make sure that I let
everybody know up front that a lot of the information
I got was from crime junkies. So thank you guys
for doing such a great show. And I don't want
to take, you know, any anything out of context and
make anybody upset. So all right, So this is Francesca Albarado.

(08:46):
She's twenty two when she goes missing, and she lives
in Philly. This is her two sisters. The one in
the middle is gonna be your older sister, Tina, and
the one on the far right is Mia. Mia and
and Francesca are like inseparable even though they don't live

(09:09):
with each other, they talk to each other every day,
just very close sisters. They lost their dad when Francesca
was one years old. He got incarcerated and was in
he's still in prison today. So Tina adopted both the sisters,
so they all grew up together. Yeah, and Francesca is great.

(09:32):
This story is more You're not really gonna hear too
much about Tina. It's mostly Mia that does leads the
investigation when she disappears, as far as working with the
cops and everything. You don't really hear much about Tina,
although I'm sure she was part of you know, looking
for her sister, and even today because this is an
unsolved case. So through high school, Francesca is a very

(09:56):
well known kid, very smart. Several of her teachers talk
about how she's gifted great grades. And then this is
where this is mostly all that we know about the childhood.
When she was nine, her mom died, so it's literally
just been the sisters. At the age of twenty two,

(10:19):
she is living with her roommate, whose name is not
given any of the anything, any of the research that
I was given that I did, So we're just gonna
say roomy, roommate whatever. We'll just call call her what
it is. The other shows, you know, make fake names.
I don't want to go on it all that. So
her roommate is only seventeen, but her parents own the

(10:41):
townhouse that they live in, so she's living with Francesca.
I don't know how they met, maybe through school or whatever.
But Francesca has a three year old daughter at the
age of twenty two, and she is also eight weeks
pregnant at the time that she goes. It disappears. So

(11:08):
on March nineteenth, if you look at this missing report
is for the seventeenth. This is the date that well,
I'll go a little bit more into that in a minute.
On the nineteenth, her sister Mia hasn't heard from her
sister in two days, and it's a Monday, so she's
getting ready to head to school and she's asked her friend,

(11:30):
one of her guy friends, Hey, can you go over
to Francesca's house and check on or I haven't heard
from her. So he does, and he calls her when
she gets He gets there and hands the phone over
to a female but it's not Francesca. It's it's Francesca's roommate,
and she says that on the seventeenth, Francesca and their

(11:50):
friend Tracy went to Atlantic City. Atlantic City from Philadelphia
is like an hour drive you were take. I'm guessing
where you're at, at least that's what all the articles say.
They live on the East side of Philly, so I
don't know. I don't know how familiar any of you
are with East Coast, but it says it's about an
hour drive from where they live, and he goes. So

(12:11):
she goes there with their friend Tracy, who's about her
fifty year old guy fifties early fifties. Based on the articles,
there's a few different ages I got, and apparently there's
no like physical relationship between the two. As a matter
of fact, he's just a friend of Francesca and Tara's boyfriends.
The thing about Francesca and Tara is their boyfriends are brothers,

(12:34):
so the boyfriends are over all the time. They're all
hanging out in the townhouse. Tracy's a friend of them,
so they're always a big group. So it wasn't weird
that Tracy was in her were going out of town.
He even brought a couple of his kids. Apparently his
oldest was ten, and so they go. Now, when the
roommate answers the phone, she says that they left on

(12:56):
the seventeenth and they're gonna be gone for a few weeks.

Speaker 5 (13:00):
Now.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
This automatically kind of sparked a confusion with Mia because
me is like, well, she still would have communicated with me,
and she hadn't heard from her in a couple of days,
so they'm trying to thinkure so she said yeah, so
they're gone for And also on the twentieth, Francesca is
supposed to have an appointment with the doctor to check

(13:21):
up on her pregnancy. So she already had stuff planned.
There was no reason for her to just dip out
of town for several weeks.

Speaker 4 (13:28):
Check up on like a current pregnancy or sea.

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Yeah, she's currently eight weeks pregnant when she disappears, and
so her sister was going to go through her appointment.
So she's like, this doesn't make sense. And again she's
got a three year old daughter that's staying with a friend.
So that happened on Saturday, the seventeenth, that she left
that following Friday, Mia decides to give it a couple

(13:53):
of days because she's like, Okay, she is an adult.
It's only been two days. Maybe she's just having a
really good time in at Lanaic City. So she just
didn't come back on that Friday. Me is done because
at this point she now has her three year old daughter.
Her three year old daughters like I miss mommy, where
she asked her. She calls the police and that first
of the police are not that big of help because

(14:15):
she's an adult. You can't really just say somebody's missing
for you know, within a certain amount of time. I
don't know all the details, but I know that she
has a hard time getting the police to even look
into this because of the fact that she's twenty two.
So she reports that on Friday, which is the twenty third.

(14:36):
At this point, on the twenty fourth, Tracy, the guy
who went with her to Atlantic City, shows up to
the police department and he tells them that he's been
back in town since the eighteenth, that they were only
supposed to be there for one day, right, And this
actually correlates because they questioned that his kids that went

(14:59):
to and they said that on Friday night when they
went to Atlantic City, they went to the hotel, they
changed hotel rooms because he wasn't happy with the hotel,
and even the kids verify and they said they want
to sleep. That night, they woke up and Francesca was gone.
So up to this point, do you guys have any

(15:20):
questions or are we kind of getting a lay out
of everything.

Speaker 5 (15:23):
I want to make sure I heard right. So you
said when the roommate was on the phone explaining that
they had left town, that they were planning on going
about an hour away to Atlantic City or a couple
of weeks. Yes, when was the last time you spent
a couple of weeks an hour away from your home?

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Right right? And that got me too. I didn't catch
it right off the bat, but after researching some things,
I was like, that's not yea, and our drive is
not that far. That's like, you know, for us to
live around here, a three hour drive to Branson is
not that far. I would do that and come back
two weeks later. You know, I don't need to be
there for several weeks, right.

Speaker 4 (16:05):
I was just out on the East coast and between Philly,
and like, it's it's a stone's throw, that's I mean,
there's no reason they could go back and forth every
single day, right right between the cities. And I'm familiar
with it. I'm pretty familiar with the layout of the area.

(16:26):
So this is confusing as to why somebody's going to
be ditching And because from where I'm at, Like, as
an example, I live you know here in Michigan right there,
and for me to get up to the coast of
Lake Michigan. It's about forty seven minutes right from my
driveway to the coast. So if the excuse was, oh,

(16:48):
we want to go out and be by the ocean,
it's like, dude, you could go out and be by
the ocean every single day right after work and come
back home. So two weeks, I'm just not like that.
Immediately was was packing up my red flag. So there's
a lot that's just starting weird here.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
Yeah, so what do you absolutely absolutely what what got
my mental thought process running rout was she left a
three year old and she had a doctor's appointment. You know,
she wasn't I guess, in my opinion, planning on me

(17:28):
going that long. I don't know anyone in the right
frame of mine who would plan on being gone for
a couple of weeks or more away from a three
year old child, and then to be expecting and have
a doctor's appointment. That's something you really don't want to miss,
especially that early in the game. So and with the

(17:52):
with the roommate, I guess looking at it like that
or saying that she planned on me and gone that long,
that's kind of like foul play because his sister's like,
wait a minute, we're tied it and that we talk
every day. You know something something's not right. So yeah,
it's a lot of red flags I'm pulling out it is, yes, And.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
And I think the hardest part that I took away
from the beginning of this with with Mia going to
the police and then saying well she's an adult, is
that's probably exactly how it goes. So she I mean,
you can't really if it was a kid, it's probably
a little different than if you're an adult.

Speaker 5 (18:26):
You know.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
The other thing is Atlantic City is in a totally
different state, correct than in Philadelphia? Philadelphia?

Speaker 4 (18:32):
Yes, yeah, you're you're crossing the border into New Jersey
and you're you're right on the coast.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
So during this time in twenty twelve, the city of
Atlanta and well, Atlantic City is trying to kind of
rebrand and give themselves a new image. So they're they're
trying to make like a family friendly city. So when
Mia reaches out to Atlantic City, they're saying they're gonna help.
But the same same thing that can't you know, set

(19:00):
up a missing case. So me, it was like, okay,
I'm gonna go out there. So she goes out there
with some flyers. She's asking around on the board walk
about her sister, and she even hangs up some flyers.
Well immediately after that, like within a few days of
her going back, the flyers are gone. The police say
that they took them down because they're trying to have
a certain image, so they don't want her going what. Yeah, yes,

(19:24):
they say they are looking into the case, but they
don't want to make a big deal about it because
you know, again she's not technically considered missing, and they
don't want that image out there. Okay, okay, but again
they are helping. So they do find out that after
talking to the hotel clerk, that they did actually stay

(19:45):
there that night. She remembers switching the rooms, and she
remembers later on Francesca and another younger lady coming up
and asking if there's anywhere to party without an idea. Now,
Francesca's twenty two, so that would mean that whoever she's
with us clearly underage. You know, they're trying to find

(20:07):
somewhere to go hang out. But there's no mention of
the oldest kid that he brought was ten, So we
don't This is the first we've heard of another girl.

Speaker 5 (20:18):
My initial impressions of all this so far, and I
don't want to like jump ahead or anything like that.
My impression is that like like her roommate back in Philly, right,
she started in Philly, right, and some other people are
like covering for her, Like she's not trying to be found,
Like she's trying to make an escape. Like she's like

(20:41):
deep in a hole and it's trying to get out.
So it's like almost like she kind of has like,
you know, like loaded these people up with these weird
alibis that don't quite makes sense just yet. Right, So
there's like a lot of holes to poke in these
because right, she's trying to make some great escape and
buy some time. I don't know anything about this particularly case,
Like this is the first I've heard of any of it.

(21:02):
I'm not familiar with it at all, So I'm just
kind of like letting my mind wander here.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
So yeah, no, of course, that's the whole point of
the show. Actually, I said, I'm sorry, you're good.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
Yeah, but you're flying in the face of some like
massive maternal instincts though, because she's ditched her three year
old daughter, correct, correct, you know, and granted it's with
her sister, so maybe she'd be So then if if
we okay, let's go down this rabbit hole he's talking about,
what is she what is she escaping?

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Right?

Speaker 4 (21:36):
Because I understand what the police are saying.

Speaker 5 (21:40):
It's terrible and if I'm making an escape, I'm not
dragging a toddler around with me, fair.

Speaker 4 (21:47):
Enough, But okay, so she's just it's not illegal for
her to be gone. That's the thing you'll hear from
the police. They'll literally tell you it is not illegal
to just leave, all right, And so that's why they're
saying that. You know, there's not a lot we can do.
Adults can leave they don't want to be in their
life anymore. Like I can just piss off of my

(22:07):
own life right now, and there's nothing illegal about it
except for the death that I right.

Speaker 5 (22:15):
What if ton't frame it as like a kidnapping though?
What if they said, hey, I think my daughter's been kidnapped,
even as an adult, would that hold like more weight
than like I think she might be missing, like because
that means she could have fell on a creek and drowned,
or she could have skipped down, or she could have whatever.
But if you say, hey, cops, I think my daughter's
been kidnapped, they like, oh crap, that's a that's a crime.

(22:37):
We'll do it further. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
I feel like it would depend on what kind of
evidence you had, Like if you just said it like
I'm surely the question. If I question you and then
determined it by that, yeah, yeah, I don't know. So
the only person that's last seen her is Tracy, so
obviously the cops first are looking looking more towards him,

(23:01):
at least in Philly. They even asked him to do
a polygraph, which if he immediately asked for an attorney,
and once he hires an attorney, the attorney says, don't
do a polygraph and don't tell him anything else. So
he's no longer He is no longer really any a
resource at this point during the investigation. But the last

(23:24):
thing that Tracy did tell them was that it was
like two in the morning when she said she wanted
to go for a walk and then she'd find her
own way home. This is what his words were, which
doesn't really make sense. Again, I know it's only an
hour away. He says that there was no argument or anything.
She just says she wanted to go out for a
walk and she didn't need company, and she'd find her

(23:44):
own way home, and that's the last he saw her,
according to him.

Speaker 5 (23:50):
Okay, remind me again the relationship of this Tracy.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
Tracy is a friend of the boyfriends. So you got
Francesca in her roommate. Francesca is her boyfriend and the
one that she's pregnant with is William, which we'll get
more into details about him here shortly. And then his
brother whatch you don't know his name, is the boyfriend
of the roommate which again don't know her name, and

(24:15):
the roommates. It's the roommate's parents townhouse. She lives there
with Francesca, and the boyfriends are over there all the time.
Tracy's just a good friend of theirs. So yeah, that's
what we got so far. The family and the Philadelphia
police decide, hey, we're gonna set up a twenty five
thousand dollars reward for any information on her, and they're
even going as far as making Facebook page, getting a

(24:38):
bunch of followers, going back to the boardwalk offering the
money for envy information and nothing turns up. Nobody comes forward,
about any information.

Speaker 2 (24:49):
Let's see here, I got a theory to kind of
builds up of what Thomas was saying. She's twenty two,
she's got a three year old, and she's expecting again.
Everybody in that household is younger.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Than her, right, right, Well, we don't know about the boyfriends, Okay, Okay,
we know that Tracy's an older guy in his fifties,
and that he gets around with the boyfriends like they're friends.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
To me, is weird, right, yes, right, yeah, I'm just
thinking it's a lot of chaos in that household, especially
when you got a three year old. And I'm guessing
nobody else has kids in the house.

Speaker 1 (25:35):
No, not that you know, not that they talk about.

Speaker 4 (25:40):
Tracy had some kids, right.

Speaker 1 (25:42):
Tracy does. He doesn't live there though, he just has kids.

Speaker 4 (25:46):
Ten year old?

Speaker 3 (25:47):
Okay, all right, okay.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
So uh we we do find out that William has
sort of criminal but he's got a criminal background with
like theft and robbery and stuff like that. And and
even Mia talks about how Francesca and her calling mister
wrong and how they get fights a lot. And there's
been several times where Francesci even mentioned leaving him. But

(26:13):
there's he was. Between the story of the roommate and
the story of Tracy. He was never mentioned as at
being there as of right now and again so they
have no information that was received. The police go and
go through her Francesca's room at the townhouse and they
don't turn up anything. A few days after that, Mia

(26:36):
decides to go and finds a pair of pants on
the ground and decides to search the pockets and finds
her ID and several access cards which the police were
trying to monitor to see if there was any activity
on and there's nothing. But this would also give information
as to why she was asking for somewhere to go
under age because she didn't have her idea on her.

Speaker 5 (26:58):
Okay, wait, why.

Speaker 4 (27:01):
So they they went to Atlantic City randomly or just
walking along and went, oh, a pair of pants, mayhaps
they're hers, rifled through them and it just happened to
have her ID and.

Speaker 1 (27:20):
It says that this is what MEA find finds these
maybe they're on the floor. I don't know. The police
didn't find.

Speaker 5 (27:27):
It, but she sure did so wow, scouring the city, so.

Speaker 1 (27:32):
That, I mean a couple of things kind of triggered me.
Either she had them and then at some point between
all of this, she came back and then disappeared, or
she just left it there all together. But you're going
to Atlantic City to have a good time or whatever,
and you just forget that stuff. I don't know. That's
kind of weird to me.

Speaker 4 (27:54):
Well, his story is full of shit, first of all,
because two clock in the morning, you're not just going
to randomly go off. And like, I've been out to
that boardwalk a couple few times, and you know, during
the day, it's it's nice enough, it's okay down by
the resorts and everything else, right, but two o'clock in

(28:15):
the morning, you know, she's just going to walk off
into the darkness. And I'm fine, Like, none of none
of any of this makes sense unless we're going with
what Thomas said, and she's she's trying to escape.

Speaker 1 (28:33):
So one thing about Atlantic City, and this is where
the Atlantic City police start developing this theory that she
gets trafficked into sex trafficking. Apparently Atlantic City is and
is like second from Vegas for being known for sex trafficking.

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Yep, And that's the first thing I thought about.

Speaker 4 (28:58):
Go ahead, disagree. I was just there and nobody trafficked.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Me, So move on.

Speaker 5 (29:08):
Living Proof.

Speaker 3 (29:12):
But was it two am when you were walking.

Speaker 4 (29:14):
Shot dude, I was putting out there at all times
of the day. Nobody was picking up.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
That's that's good. So this is about July twenty thirteen
before when they decide to start looking at this as
so this is damn near a year later that they're like, Okay,
we're not getting information, so let's kind of change kind
of how we're going to go about this. So they start.

(29:46):
They found that there's a known security guard that works
for the same hotel that he works with. He was
known to work with traffickers, like he got busted for
working with sex traffickers. So they found out from this
guy that around this time he was working with William

(30:10):
and this new guy. A new suspect comes up by
the name of Jerrell. They call him Jinks, and he
is known. He is somebody that they've been watching for
a while for sex trafficking, but says that he was
working with Jinks and William and that William and Jinks

(30:32):
were discussing one of their workers not wanting to work
for them anymore, and that they will had taken them
to a Jersey shore and buried them. This is weird
because William they know that he's the boyfriend, right, And
then this new guy, Jerald shows up and Tracy never

(30:55):
mentioned anything about him. But when they start discussing the
idea of possible trafficking, the sister's looking a lot of
news articles and stuff like that, and she finds that
a fisherman had found and this is August of twenty thirteen,
so a month later after they're kind of starting to

(31:15):
look into it, she finds a news article from a
fisherman who found a shoe with a foot still in
it and it still had some tonail polish on it,
and there's even a picture of the shoe. And this
gets me a going because this is a black high
top Adidas shoe that she hated and she used to
talk so much shit to Francesca about because she's like,

(31:37):
I can't believe you were those and Francesca loved those shoes.
So she's like, I know right away that that's like
that's her shoe.

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:44):
So the Jersey takes into the lab, does investigation, and
a week later they say, hey, that's that's your sister's foot,
but she is She's still not considered dead because it's
just a foot in a human being can still be.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
Only a foot.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
It's just a foot, right, it was.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
A year ago, right, jeez, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (32:13):
So yeah, I mean we're starting to kind of like,
obviously the sex trafficking is starting to sound more and more. Right,
this hotel security guards giving them some pretty good information.
The only thing was that he said that she was
a white woman. That's the only part of the information
that doesn't really line up with the story. So they're like,
this is probably still you know, and they found this
information now, so it's most likely this guy's accurate. So

(32:40):
in January twenty fourth, a femur is found on the shore.
This is the following year, along with a tibia found
several days later, and after all the lab results come back,
those are also her, but not that yet. Useless. I'm

(33:05):
just saying, we know it's her, but she's not dead.
She can still be out there. These are just parts,
that's all, Okay.

Speaker 5 (33:11):
If she's getting trafficked, it is awfully hard to get
away with only one leg, is true.

Speaker 4 (33:18):
Yes, and that is a very specific niche for only fans.
I'm not sure. God, damn, guys, this is a okay,
this is a missing person. I gotta I gotta dial
back because like my my joke thing is on overdrive
right now.

Speaker 3 (33:31):
This let's go, let it ride.

Speaker 1 (33:34):
We're getting into like the the ending and and this
is where it gets pretty Actually the ending is great,
but yeah, go ahead.

Speaker 4 (33:41):
Don't don't tell me. This is where it gets weird. Dude.
We've we've found ghost pants, uh foot, just random foot
from some fishermen, and a fib and a tib right
right right, and this okay, First, now, when you say
it was Jersey Shore, do you just mean on the

(34:02):
New Jersey Shore. You're talking like seaside Jersey Shore or
like snooky and all that crap.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Was uh had there was a name for the beach.
I didn't really see. I just know it was in
New Jersey.

Speaker 5 (34:13):
So okay, I'm just so heavily remembering an episode if
It's Always Sunny, when they go to the Jersey Shore
and they walk under the boardwalk and there's two hobos
doing it underneath, and I just keep running that scene
over and over in my head right now as we
talk about that. So that's where I'm att.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
And one of the articles says it's forty five minutes
north of Atlantic City. So it's a shoreline up that.

Speaker 4 (34:36):
Way that's in yes, and that's the area then, and
it's it's uh, I you know, I would liken it
to going to any of the local county fairs in
rural Indiana, just with a lot of slick back hair
tank tops and ay oh that guy.

Speaker 5 (34:54):
Eh, all right, that was good, thank you.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
It's a bit methy, what you gotta evolution got anything
so far?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
Uh, only pieces so far, God dang it. Trying to
gather everything and put it back together. So yeah, I'm
thinking it obviously that uh, she's probably uh with William

(35:32):
and jinx uh caught up in something that led to
something obviously, uh that separated everything from being one piece. Yeah,
I'm just thinking that we got, we got, we got

(35:53):
a little, we got a little mystery this being solved,
one piece of a time.

Speaker 5 (36:00):
Coming along.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
You're getting there.

Speaker 4 (36:03):
Did you see what the viewers chimed in? One of
her viewers chimed in.

Speaker 1 (36:10):
That's you don't need that one. We know it's her,
but that doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 5 (36:17):
Do you know if she was right or lefty? Who knows?

Speaker 4 (36:22):
You gotta take.

Speaker 5 (36:25):
What foot dominant? Is she? So? Uh?

Speaker 1 (36:32):
In twenty sixteen, they do a celebration of life, all
the followers and everything. They finally get to you know,
they take the pieces that they do have of the
sister because they know they belong to her, and they
bury her with their mother and then Jane, we appreciate
you with all the very hilarious responses in the chat.

(36:53):
She just said, free feet picks, like.

Speaker 5 (37:00):
It's trying to be so wholesome right now, this opportunity shot.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
But so they bury. But again, there's a lot of
pieces and none of it's like confirmed at this point.
It's still an investigation. And two years later, in the
spring of twenty eighteen, some FBI investigators get in contact
with me and they said, look, you know, we had

(37:25):
the pieces. This is what we do know, and nothing
is confirmed. But they said in the summer of twenty thirteen,
eighteen sex worker was in an altercation at a hotel
when the cop showed up and realized that she was
under age, and they brought her in for questioning. So
this is a totally different teenage girl that was arrested
in the summer of twenty thirteen. Now what they tell

(37:49):
her is where things start to sort of mend together
in twenty twelve, shortly after Francesca went missing, this team
moved to Philly to live with her father. The stepmom
was pressing her to get her job, get a job,
so she started working at a bar, and she was
working a lot of hours and prevented to one of

(38:09):
her friends about how much or one of her co
works how much you just think her first stepmom and
she offers for her to come live with her. That
coworker happens to be Francesca's roommate, So hey, she's got
a free room, come stay with them. Right. A couple
months after she moves in, she asks the roommate asks

(38:33):
for this girl to go with her to run an errand,
and she says that she is taken to an apartment
where will where William and Drell close it and pull
a gun on her, take all of her belongings and
tell her that she works for them.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Now. Yes, so.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Now you got her boyfriend involved in this sex trafficking
Francesca's boyfriend, And she says that the roommate was in
on it, like it was obvious that she was a
part of it.

Speaker 5 (39:07):
It was the whole business.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, She says that over the course of the next
several months until this point, she was drugged, beaten, and
held captive and was a sex worker. She said that
the roommate, which was also Francesca's at that point, was
free to come and go. She said it seemed like
she was involved in the sex work as well, but
she had a lot more freedom than she did. And

(39:32):
it just sort of makes what could have happened to
Francesca that much more weird because that's all that they know, Like,
that's that's it. She says that she never met Francesca,
but she had heard the name before and that she
was pretty sure Will was her pimp. But that's where

(39:55):
the case sends. That's that's all the information that is
ever comes up. This was never been officially close case.

Speaker 5 (40:05):
You know, I'm wondering, so I unfortunately I don't know
much about sex traffick.

Speaker 1 (40:11):
But how could you not know that?

Speaker 5 (40:14):
But like I'm a little bit curious. It's like the
like as far as like the process, like are these
girls that they are taking captive? Are they given like
pet names? Like what kind of drugs are they being
fed or forced to take? Or what kind of like
state of mind are they typically in? I mean obviously
there's got to be some form of like a brainwashing,
you know, to happen in some degree, right, unless they're

(40:38):
just chained up. Right.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Well, So, because when I was a kid, though, I
was I was beaten, you know, by my stepfather, and
he would always threaten, like if we said anything or
do anything even to my mom, you know, kill us.
And so I mean it was more like a fear
factor for him. And that's just from my view of
it as a kid.

Speaker 5 (40:54):
Right. Well, I'm just wondering if like this, this this
girl maybe she did see Francesca but didn't know anybody
named Francesca because they had sort of like an alias,
a pet name. I don't know, they're black olded, they were,
you know whatever.

Speaker 1 (41:10):
Well, and even worse is that we know that Francesca's
roommate is only seventeen when she lived, right, So for
her to be involved.

Speaker 5 (41:21):
I mean, this would have this would have had to
have been something like that she had known for years,
even at that young age. It would probably had had
to have been like a normal operation for her, something
that she probably had been groomed into just that's what
she does. And I don't know, I just don't I
just don't feel like any this. No normal adult would

(41:42):
be like, oh yeah, trafficking, Yeah, sign me up. Where
can I invest? You know, I just feel like that's
something that would happen to start early on for you
to be like used to this.

Speaker 4 (41:51):
Kind of thing, right, So you're suggesting human trafficking as
a pyramid scheme like amboy.

Speaker 1 (41:59):
Yeah, yeah, it's just more forced. It's more forced on you.
That's all.

Speaker 5 (42:02):
The more people you have in your downstream creates revenue.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
You know.

Speaker 4 (42:07):
Yeah, absolutely, okase Worth, Here's what I'm thinking, guys, unless
you're gonna pull another switcheroo on us JJ.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
No, I have a positive note, but I'm gonna tell
it at the very end.

Speaker 4 (42:25):
Get okay. So my my guess is that this it
was all bullshit, like there was no escape. There's only thing.
She got human trafficked whatever it was, and something went awry.
She wasn't happy about the situation whatever it was, and
she got unlived, dumped out in the ocean, and you know,

(42:51):
just through currents, getting meeting on getting hit by a
boat or boats, and that's why she's coming back in pieces.
I'm guessing that's what happened. I don't know, you know,
there's too many, too many like this. It's like this
aggregation of well, this person's in human trafficking and this

(43:13):
person and this person was a sex worker, and everybody
was connected and everybody knew it, you know, and unless
they did the same thing to Francesca that they did
to that you, that younger lady, when they were like,
give me all your belongings, including your foot, you know,
like that's my guess.

Speaker 5 (43:34):
Yeah, I'm also wondering if I started out her going willingly,
like yeah, I do want to get out, I do
want a different life, and he's like, hey, maybe I'll
take you away forever. I'll give you everything you'll ever need.
You know, I'll be your knight in shining armor or whatever.
And so she does all these things willingly, so there's
not like a struggle. There's not like a like she's
getting dragged in the back or anything like that. It's like, hey,

(43:54):
I've done this a thousand times. Give me your belongings,
give me your ID. I'll make it go away. People
people think that you're went missing and that's the end
of it. I will even clues and whatever whatever, go
start your new life. Or or it started out that way,
and she was like, oh shit, like I'm about to
get gang bangs. I'm not on board of this anymore.

(44:18):
And they were like, nah, you're in too deep.

Speaker 3 (44:20):
Right yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:26):
Wow, anyway, okay, So this is where I'm at to
add with everybody else's come up with. She was twenty two,
and in that type of environment, that's a little old.
And she was also pregnant, which creates another issue. So

(44:49):
I'm thinking that their target audience was younger too, so
that they can maneuver or mislead them easier. And because
she was twenty two and more, for sure she had
more of a fight back or she wasn't down with

(45:10):
a lot of stuff that they were doing, especially if
she's seeing other girls who were younger getting treated this
way or whatever. So I'm thinking she became a problem
and they solved it by making our jigsaw pustle.

Speaker 5 (45:29):
I almost think that she was just like a vessel
for that unborn kid, Like, like if that's William's kid, right, yeah,
maybe maybe he is some I mean, obviously he's not
right in the head. So he has this new kid
coming in, right, and they go away for the weekend,

(45:50):
and all of a sudden he has taken her into
some snare because how long was it before like these
bones started showing up, like a while, right.

Speaker 1 (45:57):
It was the following year, so they're taking it might
have been two.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Years, brand new infant child, getting rid of the mom
because she's useless to them now, and then from day one,
grooming this child to be whatever work for the business
or become like their youngest specimen and their selection or something.
I mean, I'm sorry, I don't mean to go.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
No, you're good. Actually, let me let me tell you
what I think, base based on just the information that
I kept researching, I think that being a pregnant female,
if she was not wanting to stay in this, she
could have recently gotten in an argument maybe with one

(46:43):
of them, two of them, three of them, or just
bitching about the activity going on in the house, and
she's like I need to break. Tracy's like, okay, let's
get let's get you out of here. We'll take the kids,
we'll go to we'll take my kids, will go to
Link City so you can get a little breath fresh air.
But this isn't really what the plan is from Tracy's
into it's more of, hey, let's get you out of
here and then maybe they go and then the roommate

(47:07):
and her boyfriend and William are like, we got to
end her. So they're gonna get this hotel and then
we're gonna go out there. You're the roommate, you be
friends with her. Let's let's go have a good night out.
Maybe she does have her ID and when they go
talk to her, and that younger girl that's with Francesca
is actually your roommate, right, And so she's now taking

(47:28):
Francesca to go somewhere and meets up with will and
his brother and they and Gerald or whoever. I don't
know if they were all involved in it or not,
but they offer and then take her and bury her
and then come back they I guess the roommate's got
her ID and stuff on her, like, hey, I'm just
gonna make it look nonchalant. Maybe that's why the police
didn't find it, and she shoves it in her pants.

(47:52):
So still nothing but a leg though this is the
only thing as of today, that's all that has been found.

Speaker 7 (48:00):
All right, all right, I'm gonna keep That's the whole
point of the end of the show.

Speaker 1 (48:11):
We go down these rabbles. There's nothing, nothing, beats Gypsy
Roses has been being her dead mom.

Speaker 4 (48:20):
There sharks, dude, it's the same person.

Speaker 3 (48:30):
What do you got avolution? I'm just saying there's there,
there's sharks in the water, right.

Speaker 2 (48:36):
Yeah, so that's where of the rest of.

Speaker 3 (48:42):
Francesca is.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Yeah, so so there is. I mean, if you guys
want to keep discussing some ideas before I say that
the n part, we can because it's unrelated. But it's
at the same time it's pretty cool. But if you
guys got anything else you want to do, rabbit hole wise,
let's get it out of the way now.

Speaker 4 (49:04):
I think one of the things that is sticking out
with me on this is the situation with the police.
I understand from one side of it, where it's you know,
if somebody it's just a couple of days, dude, they're
not missing people. You know what some people like to
like they get so pissed they want to leave, and

(49:27):
that's not abnormal. But then you know, to do nothing
really and then when body parts starts showing up, there's
still not I mean, there's still not a lot that
they're just like, well, it is the Jersey Shore. We
do find feet. You know, this is our fifth todayday.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
Yeah, exactly normal what you talk about.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
Yeah, that's but that's what I'm saying, Like if a
foot shows up, that's problematic, right right, you know, And
it almost smacks of I don't know if you guys
ever saw that movie with Sevester Sloan Demolition Man where
the new chief was like, we'll just wait until there's
another murder and then we'll go grab him. It's like,
we'll just wait until more parts wash up. See look

(50:12):
there's a femur in a tibia, right, okay, so we'll
just wait till the rest of it comes in, like
like instead the Jigsaw puzzle, and then we'll put her
back together. Like what is going on with these guys
over there?

Speaker 5 (50:25):
Well? And I'm so curious because I feel like there's
so there's so much you can learn from even like
bones being in the water. I mean you can, I
mean you can make a general educated guess on how
long this body has been in the water based on
like how how well saturated these this bone and tissue is?
Is there any tissue attached still? Like is like what

(50:45):
what stage and decomposition it might be in? Like is
this bone like broken? Does it is? Indicative of like
animal bite or a break from trauma. Is there, Like,
I don't know, just like there's so much, so much
more stuff that'sswered.

Speaker 1 (51:03):
They did say on they said the foot and the
sneaker was looked like it naturally detached. There was no
cutting involved.

Speaker 5 (51:11):
As if this was a decomposed body.

Speaker 4 (51:14):
That is, Yeah, it just came apart, Yeah, rotted in
the water and just okay, she got dumped.

Speaker 3 (51:25):
Then, yeah, but but there's something we're missing.

Speaker 6 (51:29):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
Then I want to bring back to everybody's attention. Sean
kind of made me think of this when he started
talking about the police. Her sister put a bunch of
flyers out and then the police themselves took them down.
So that makes me think that this is a huge
operation and somebody, yeah, yes, and somebody's covering up because

(51:57):
it's going to lead to.

Speaker 5 (51:58):
Them because the mayor her son had was on a
bender or something.

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Well, so Jerrell does. In twenty two he confessed to
trafficking five females, two of them were confirmed under age.
Francesca is not one of them, but he and then
and then William's been in an out of prison for
criminal stuff. I'm gonna assume that the boyfriend of the

(52:26):
roommate was too. And actually even today William is incarcerated
on other charges unrelated and he again nobody was penned
for her death.

Speaker 5 (52:39):
Well, I mean, I guess at the end of the day,
you can't confirm it as a homicide. She could have
fell off a boat.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
Who knows.

Speaker 4 (52:49):
Yeah, And that's that's the that's long and short of it.
I think, you know, as to what Evolution said this,
this is something that perhaps bears investigating on a higher level.
You know, exception doesn't go up that far, you know.
I mean, they still haven't released.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
The client list for Epstein, right, right, So when you're
dealing with two different states and two different like she
didn't go like, yeah, your hometown is Philly, but she
didn't go missing here. So I mean, there's not a
whole lot that they can kind of try to help.
But there's only so much they could do.

Speaker 4 (53:23):
Yeah, jurisdictional issues and the Jersey's.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
Over here, like no, we're we're family friendly. You can't
do any of this shit. We got it, Let us
do it, let us hand it.

Speaker 5 (53:33):
Always I always like watching the old k like gold
Case Files, where it's like the eighties nineties, and like
there'll be two towns that are like one hundred miles
away from each other and they're like, we had a
murder here. They're like, we had a murder too. They're
two separate murders.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Definitely.

Speaker 5 (53:46):
I don't know any of those people up there, like
they're like separated. I would think that there'd be a
little bit more like cohesion as far as like your databases,
your investigations, what's going on here. Yeah, Like it really
does seem that like law enforcement is like very very
separated as far as like what territory they deal with,

(54:07):
and they can give a shit less about what's going
on hundred miles down the road.

Speaker 1 (54:13):
I don't know, right, So the little bit of fun fact,
So her daughter was three when she went missing, so
today she is like in high school. She has the
same writing teacher that Francesca had years ago, and her
writing teacher made all of her students write a journal

(54:37):
every day that they're in class. So she gave that
she still had Francesca's journal and gave it to her daughter.

Speaker 4 (54:45):
Wow, that's cool.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Yes, So that's just a little bit of information that's
that's current, that happened related to the case. That's pretty cool.

Speaker 3 (54:57):
Wow.

Speaker 5 (54:58):
Wait, I'm sorry, I'm not. I mean, that's all very nice.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
But I thought you were going to no, no, I said,
I said, it was no, That's what I'm saying. That's
why I waited till the very end to throw that
out there, because it's unrelated. But it's not like, okay,
it's just it's yeah. I mean again, so this is
once she was in high school, so this was not
during Okay. I mean, as far as information she probably

(55:23):
read on there, it's probably just a bunch of good
things that her mom has to say or her teen
problems were. But I thought that was kind of cool.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
Up to page one, Dear Diary, I hope I never
get sex trafficked.

Speaker 5 (55:38):
I met this really nice boy named William today, Dear Diary.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
Sex was not what I thought it was.

Speaker 4 (55:52):
Tomorrow, I'm going to get something called gang banged.

Speaker 3 (55:56):
I'm about to say something. This is so messed up, man.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
I'm not sure what oxy codon is, but I took
some yesterday. It was great.

Speaker 5 (56:04):
He sure likes trains. He keeps talking about the railroad.

Speaker 3 (56:08):
I'm never gonna take these shoes off. I love them
that much. Oh my God, I so.

Speaker 4 (56:16):
Apologized on behalf of So.

Speaker 1 (56:30):
I mean, I know this is so. This is the
first episode we've done that had sex trafficking kind of involved.
We did the one was the younger girl that went
that disappeared that I mean, but we don't know this one.
There's a little bit more light into it. So but
I thought it was a good case because it's not
a very I mean, it was a very small case.
It wasn't one of these bigger ones that we've discussed,
so I thought it was kind of cool.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I think it was.

Speaker 1 (56:54):
Plenty of room.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
I think it was a concealed case.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
I think there was a lot that was covered up
in order to keep a lot from being exposed.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
Well, I imagine that it's just Vegas at any of
these big tourists. A lot of this, I mean, it
happens in our cities where we live now, but these
are probably pre prime hotspots for this kind of stuff,
so I can't be that rare.

Speaker 5 (57:22):
Yeah, I mean a lot of the evidence points towards
towards the sex trafficking idea. I still think that this
maybe started out as a getaway plan and fell into
something totally different, because I mean, I mean, if you
think about twenty two years old, you got a toddler,
you have another one on the way. You're you're like
the head of household for this, a bunch of young

(57:44):
younger people in the household with you, and seems like
like it seems very chaotic, seems like you could use
a fresh start. Seems like maybe you had an opening.
Somebody maybe gave you an opening. Yeah, well you took
it and it went our.

Speaker 1 (58:00):
The toughest part for me was that the biggest clues
that you get are from the hotel security guy mm
hmm and some random team that wasn't really related to
it because it was shortly after. Like this is your
only like prime information that you have to run off
of because you're not getting anything out of Tracy.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (58:22):
And then like I said, there's Jerrell and William and
then but none of them like were directly attached to
the killing. Like you can't point it on any of them.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
Oh my god, it's like everything we say directly attached,
not attached. The guy's name is Darrell. That's Superman's dad's name, right,
Like everything about this damn case, it's like it showed
up in a converse.

Speaker 3 (58:49):
You know, and.

Speaker 5 (58:54):
Still I still want to know more information about this
older guy that she went to the city with.

Speaker 4 (58:59):
Yeah, Tracy, right.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
We know that he was involved with William in the
roommate so, I mean and.

Speaker 5 (59:07):
And he had two young kids, right, oldest being.

Speaker 1 (59:12):
And so, and they did and they and they talked
to them too, and they did what he said correlated
with that. But if he's involved in trafficking, he could
probably be a very abusive piece of ship and told
them to say whatever. So there's really not much you
can go with off.

Speaker 5 (59:28):
Of that, unless, like they have, he is earned his
immunity from his family being touched in some degree because
he is done something for that organization.

Speaker 4 (59:39):
And in the past, right, so maybe a courier.

Speaker 5 (59:44):
Yeah, he's earned some sort of protection because he's a
you know, Cogan machine and he was I don't know,
that goes back to it all being one full.

Speaker 1 (59:53):
I mean, he could be that. He could be one
of the guys that goes out there and finds the
girls like being all sweet and nice to him, just
to lure them in that sweet, sweet old guy, and
then William and them show up. Here's what's going down.

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
Yeah, Yeah, I mean that's actually that sounds pretty feasible
because if you think about it, you know, like you
get these these ladies from Philly, right, you know this
this blue collar town ship them out to the coast.
It's an our way and it is I mean, it's
a very transient population out there. It's just like the
comedy clubs, Like there's one out there, stand Upcomedy Club

(01:00:27):
dot com. They could run shows out there, and it's
like every night of the week, seven days a week.
You will have the same comics and different audiences every
night because there's so much like visitor traffic there. So
the population is constantly moving, right, and caught up in
that that sweeping wave of switching you know people, Right,

(01:00:52):
that's probably an easy way to disappear somebody. But I
think probably what happened she and to what you're saying this,
if like we go with your your theory that she
was trying to escape, maybe she had the promise of escape,
gets out there, finds out it's not escape, that she's
going to be sex trafficked. She's not. I mean, she

(01:01:15):
was one hundred and ten pounds, but she's also five
seven so she's not a small woman, right, five' seven
on me is just like about right here, you know,
because I'm six foot right. So she puts up a
fuss and they end that real quick and she gets
dumped somewhere offshore.

Speaker 1 (01:01:36):
Want to be very hard, not at her size.

Speaker 4 (01:01:40):
One hundred and ten pounds, really easy, you know, throw
some weights around it. She goes down, she's rotting, like
you said, no distress, that just pulled apart, starts floating
up on the shore. That's why we're seeing pieces. Yeah,
that seems probably the most plausible.

Speaker 1 (01:01:59):
Wow, and also brings some light to the fact that
this is pretty recent and these are things that are
currently going on. So you know, it's a good time
to kind of touch base on because I mean, it
happens every day.

Speaker 4 (01:02:10):
So yeah, dude, it's it's crazy. There's all kinds of
trafficking scams. One of the newest ones is, uh the
dudes will get vests from Walmart with like name tags,
and they'll walk up to girls and they'll be like, uh, hey,
do you have a you know, like a redd accord,
Like yeah, okay, is a license plate?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
This, this, and this?

Speaker 4 (01:02:31):
Yeah, you're getting towed right now. And the idea is
to get them running outside, you know, and their employees
and wow, yeah and they and they and Walmart will
tell you like we that is not we do not
have people coming up and saying that, you know, and
they tell them be careful to women grabbing the handles

(01:02:52):
of your cars, because they'll put some sort of like
substances under the handles where like if you grab it,
it will leach into the skin and you'll pass out.
Like like, people have to be careful, like women have
to be careful. Dudes too, but I mean women especially.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
I have heard a lot of these particular stereos, like
like you're at Target and you're in the makeup section
and a girl will come up and start befriending you.
Oh what kind of you use? I use this blah
blah blah, begin walking the store together like that kind
of thing, and then they walk out to their car
together and like they've got her in a position where
they where she can't get away. Or I've also heard

(01:03:29):
of like like where they'll leave like a baby stroller
out in the middle of the road, like a dark
road or something with like a baby in it, like
crying baby, and if you get out of that.

Speaker 3 (01:03:39):
Car like done for Wow, yeah, this is all this
is all happening in Walmart.

Speaker 4 (01:03:45):
Huh yeah, in general, but I mean, for the first thing,
if you ever just see a crying baby somewhere, your
best bet is just just leave it alone, all right,
leave it alone, run it over with your.

Speaker 1 (01:03:58):
Car, just just nudge the stroller out of the.

Speaker 4 (01:04:06):
There's a problem for the garbage guy. Tomorrow we are
going to Hell. Episode.

Speaker 1 (01:04:15):
Man, it pretty rough, rough end of the show. I
love it. I love it. Hey, Janet, I appreciate you
tuning in tonight and throwing in some of your comments
as well. Thomas Thomas, thank you for coming on tonight.
This this show is a lot of fun. We love
doing it, and the stories, especially ones like this, leave

(01:04:39):
me more frustrated than anything, only because there's so much
that you don't know. But I just I don't know
why I enjoyed these so much. Man. I love doing
the research. I love looking into it and discussing with
you guys, and I think so. When I first started
Sinned I it was a perception podcast. I did my
first episode with Sean and we talked about a draft
wallet scenario and then and Yes, which was great, and

(01:05:02):
then we did a cold case file and it just sucked. Man,
it felt so good. So that's kind of the way
we've gone. But it's it's meant to be perceptive. That's
why I kind of throwing these curveballs to try and
change people's mindsets of this case and kind of see
where we end up by the end of it. And
I love it. I've got a lot of great feedback
on it, and I just want to see it continue.

Speaker 5 (01:05:24):
To grow awesome.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:05:27):
I love doing this with you guys. So yeah, anytime
you need somebody, please give me your ring because I
like h Of course, my mind will always.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
Go very very dark, very very quickly.

Speaker 5 (01:05:37):
It's just the way.

Speaker 6 (01:05:40):
I will. I will.

Speaker 5 (01:05:40):
I will run down that hole. Yeah, of fun, I
don't I don't want to scare anybody. I promise my
wife I wouldn't talk about killing anybody to.

Speaker 1 (01:05:51):
We are.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
And I don't think it's scared anybody. We're down in
the hole with our miners helmets on going.

Speaker 5 (01:05:58):
No, no, come on down.

Speaker 1 (01:06:04):
This Look this tippia I just found, don't worry about it,
doesn't mean anything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:12):
Oh my goodness, throw the pile with the.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Rest of those bones I found.

Speaker 5 (01:06:16):
See what else comes up.

Speaker 4 (01:06:17):
The Jersey Shore foot pile.

Speaker 1 (01:06:21):
God, that's that's our lost and found bit. Actually it's just.

Speaker 4 (01:06:29):
No, no, put that in the put that in the
femur bin.

Speaker 1 (01:06:34):
I'm interesting guy. Anything you wanna say before we wrap
all up?

Speaker 5 (01:06:38):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:06:40):
This, this has been something else. Uh, I'll tell you what.

Speaker 6 (01:06:48):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
You just gotta be careful of who you surround yourself
with because you just never know. Uh, trip of the
weekend can end up being the end of.

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
Everything. Uh So yeah, just.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Don't take trips with fifty year old men and stay
away from guys they call jinks.

Speaker 1 (01:07:23):
Cool cool. Let me get your remember Sean, what do
you got man, dude?

Speaker 4 (01:07:31):
This is this was a frustrating one. Like you said,
I generally feel like at the end of these we
come to some sort of decent conclusion where everybody feels
kind of good about where we where we land I
don't feel good about where we landed on this just
simply because I think we all know what happened. Maybe

(01:07:53):
it's not one hundred percent from any one of the
four of us, but I think as a collective, all
the piece is that we put to get again, the
pieces that we put together just don't equal up to
good news. At the end of it, and the fact
that it is so prolific with the human trafficking, you know,

(01:08:17):
it's it's it's kind of scary, and yeah, it's just
it's frustrating. But I also feel very dirty, just because
I'm still trying to hold back the laughter at most
of the ship that has been said tonight, because I
know there's a family out there hurting. So the compassionate
side of me just feels so bad for those folks,

(01:08:41):
But the dark, evil side of me is inside just
going he you know, picture like the foot bend and
all the other horrible things that we've discussed tonight. So
I'm just living a duality.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
That's That's a fair way to wrap it up. I
don't we we don't know, like we we we know,
but we don't, like there's too many hands involved to
know exactly who or if it was all of them.
But the fact that with the evidence we do know,

(01:09:17):
there's just no concrete anything, and like you said, laughing
and all that stuff, it does almost make you feel
kind of kind of upset with yourself. But I don't know,
I yeah, you gotta have a little bit of humor
in life.

Speaker 4 (01:09:32):
Oh yeah, Oh yeah, it's the light in the darkness.

Speaker 1 (01:09:35):
Yeah yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:09:36):
If you can't laugh about stuff like like in this
subject matter, then you're not gonna make it.

Speaker 7 (01:09:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:43):
Well, and that's part of Sydykas, you know, you get
to you get to know us and and uh, you know,
we we try to come about as real as we
can and and and and not from a uh perception
of we're family friendly. That's how we're wrapping this up, buddy.

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Until next up, simply round