Dyatlov Pass

9 experienced hikers dead and frozen In the snow but wait... there's more to this strange case. Tune in tonight for a very strange hike!

Episode Transcript

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What's happening everybody? Welcome back toJG's Lounge with another episode of Singed Eye
Sockets Perception podcast, where you know, nobody's really right or wrong. It's
just kind of a we find acase, we talk about it, and
usually we end up with a conspiracyby the end of the show. With
us tonight, we've got to Evolutionnext to me. How you doing doing

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pretty good? How's everybody shot Gooseboxdoing? Sean, you had a pretty
busy day to day. Yeah,man, taught a class this morning,
and then just various work on comedythis and that, and then I had
a show at the Comedy Club tonightwhere I was the host of the not

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So Newlywed Game or Jaded Couples.Four of them got together and I asked
them all the quite. I thinkone of the favorite questions that I had
was for the for the women,which was if your husband had a song
that described him in the bedroom,would it be all night long? Simple
man? Or this thing's going downdry? That's good, that's a good

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time, good good deal. Man. Good an evolution. You've been cranking
out some shows, man, Actually, Sean, you just had one.
Evolution has been cranking them out.Everybody that is listening or has been following
the channel. We have hit sixtysix k last month in views on social
media and everything. That's fantastic.Last month was fifty three. So we

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are climbing, bro money maker allSean. Actually, Sean, I think
it's your wife. It counts forsix of thews oddly all not not of
my shows. But yeah, Ievolution, man, You've been getting really

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you know, really into it,really cranking out stuff. It's It's good,
absolutely, man. Uh you know, I never thought that it would
take off like it's been doing,but I'm okay with that. Doing roughly
four shows a week now. Soyeah, to go from nothing to that
and a small period of time,uh, I'll take it. Yeah.

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Yeah. Interacting with the community too, this better? Yeah, absolutely absolutely,
Sean. How is your first onlineshow? I mean a smooth sailing
as a possible, you know,dude. I like the live you know
recordings and things like that. Thatit just you know, I'm a bit

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you know, back in the day, you know, in nostalgic. I
like the older type settings. Butthat being said, you set up a
fine podcast between me, Jerry Goebeland myself, and the convenience factor cannot
be denied for sure. I doagree with you on on the in person

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concept. It's unique to the showor to the network, and I do
like that as well. So Imean, it's nice to have that convenience
of being able to say, hey, I mean, I got a guess,
but you know I can't get withthem, so let's do it online.
So at least you know that youhave that option. So right,
Well, I mean it's you know, just like when you interview celebs and
stuff, there are certain comics Imean that I want to talk to,

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and you know, because my scheduleis crazy, it's difficult, and I
mean, Gobel, you know,I'm all the way up in Michigan,
Jerry's down in Cincinnati. You know, sometimes that stuff just isn't possib So,
you know, thank God for technology. Yeah yeah, all right,
So for today's case, this isgoing to be a little bit more interesting,

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especially for me to kind of explainthis because I was trying to wrap
my head around how detailed I wantedto go, because this could easily be
like a three or four part topic. But I figured i'd kind of just
kind of consolidate the facts and wecan kind of break them down if the
questions come up, but I justwant to stick to the facts. And
are are any of you or eitherone of you familiar with the datlov past

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incident? Okay? So January twentyfifth, nineteen fifty nine, there's a
group of Russian tech students who decidethat they are going to go on a
hike. It's like a twelve dayhike experiment. We go ahead. I

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think I know what this is aboutbecause I've made a study of occult and
paranormal stuff then most of my life. And if this is the thing,
it is super fucked up. Itis. It's a it's very messed up.
Okay. Initially it was was tenstudents, but one of them had
Yes, it is the same story. Yeah, yeah, I recognize the

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faces. And that's fine too.I mean it's it's it'll be kind of
a brush up on you, butyou'll probably already know most of this.
So one of those students did startthe trip, but he had sciatic issues
ended up backing out. But allof these students went to a tech institute.
They've all are very trained hikers.They've two of these there's two females

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in the group. One of themeven was on a hiking trip and got
accidentally shot by a hunter and stillfinished the trip after being injured. I
mean, these are trained people.They know what they're doing, and they
decide they want to get their levelthree master hike. I don't even know
what it was called, but base. They were trying to achieve something that
had n't been done. And theleader was Urie Dyatloff or I'm sorry,

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Igor they atlofft was his name atthe bottom. He is for to the
right to anybody who's watching. Andso January twenty fifth, they say goodbyes
and they're going on their trip,and they go through a few different campsites,
a few different small towns and villages, and they're real friendly with the

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people who live there. And theyget to a point where the guy,
the tenth person, has to backaway and go back, but he takes
his time going back. They weresupposed to go back to They were supposed
to arrive back at their home campon February twelfth. Are we on board
so far? Okay, So thatdoesn't happen. And the tenth person who

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went back took so much time hedidn't even get back till after they were
supposed to show up, And thesekind of hikes you can plan dates,
but it was like two hundred milesthat they were going to hike over the
course of these days, and themnot making it back to the home camp
on the twelfth wasn't really suspicious.It was like, Okay, maybe weather

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whatever put them behind a few days, so there wasn't really an expedition to
go looking for them until the twentyfifth of February. They were supposed to
arrive back up the home camp onthe twelfth, So I just want to
get that little basic information out ofthe way. And this this hike is

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through the Siberian Mountains, and thetemperatures are negative twenty degrees fair and fahrenheit,
crazy winds, and I mean,these guys are really challenging themselves.
So February first, sometime between Februaryfirst and February second, all nine of
these members end up dead out inthe woulders, missing clothes, injured,

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And really it's it's it's the situationthat they were in and some of the
clues and the stuff that was leftbehind that makes us really strange. Before
I get into that, have youguys. Ever been hiking? No,
no, yes, yeah, morethan quite a few times. Where where'd

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you go hiking? Oh? Goodlord? Just just around in the Midwest
or anything crazy? No, Imean, I've been hiking in the mountains
West Virginia and the deserts of Utah, you know, around the Midwest on
the coasts. I mean, youname it. I mean I've I've hiked,
you know, nothing super crazy,like two hundred miles or anything like

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that, but you know a coupleof times and some appreciable amounts, you
know, like five, five,ten miles. Okay, all right?
For me, it was like Colorado, Montanah. Nice. Yeah, I've
done a lot of mountain hiking outthere, nothing like this. It wasn't
like a crazy you know. Itwas a sixth stage trip whatever. Anyways,

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they're supposed to be back on thetwelfth. They left on the twenty
fifth. It is that like twelvedays or something like that is what it
ended up being. They were supposedto be gone, but I you know,
camped out in the woods and stufflike that. These guys are are
literally building their own tents and everythingduring this trip. And so February first,
I guess, let me throw thisout there. This guy on the

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bottom left, his name Simeon ZOLITARIOFF. He is thirty seven years old and
the rest of these kids are twentythree twenty to twenty three, So he's
the only one in this group that'skind of the odd one out. And
all the research I did didn't reallyshow him as really too suspicious of a
character. The kind of won thegroup over. Real funny guy, real

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nice and I mean as far aswe know by because some of them had
journals and stuff that they found andthere was nothing suspicious about him and the
information. They did have four camerasand they did retrieve some photos of their
well basically up till the first ofstuff that they did, but there's no
information about the incident. So onthe night of February first, they set

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up their tent and at some pointin the night something happened that caused them
to panic and leave the tent.And they didn't leave through the front of
the fen the tent. They leftthrough the back and they cut their way
out from the inside. And thisis the first kind of weird thing about

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this whole situation, because these areexperienced tigers. They were all getting along
and something happened that caused a freakutthing for them to I only not gather
their clothes and negative twenty two degreesweather, but they literally all just ran
out the back. And even thetracking is kind of they're scattered, and

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then all of a sudden, they'rea straight line and they're all going away
from the tent. And that's allthe tracks that the investigators ever find.
So at first I want to kindof discuss why, what could have do
you guys think realistically could have happenedinside the tent to cause them to flee
out the back? Sean you gofirst? Again, these are all trained

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people, so I mean, I'mtrying to go based off realistic information.
And there are some some hints andstuff later on that I'll bring up as
far as like my first thought wouldbe a polar bear, But there's no
other tracks. No. I didsee a comment on a TikTok that I
was watching that said there's a spiderin the tent. Spider, And I

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don't think so spider. Okay,So my knowledge of this, this whole
thing, it probably does not gonear the depths of you know what you've
researched jukebox. But I am awarethat they had to bust out of the

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tent. And I've heard all kindsof theories about what it is. Yetti
is one of the predominant theories.You know, that they heard the aller
ring, you know, in inthe distance of the Yetty screaming at him.

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You know, it's just why isit doing that? Unless unless they
like somehow put their tent over somemethane pocket on top of an ice field,
because that that can happen, youknow, on lakes and things like
that. Where they went nutting nuts. You know, there had to be

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some force that this and this iswhy this thing is made made its way
into the occult and paranormal world thatwhere people are looking at it that to
make you lose all concern of selfand run out into negative twenty two fahrenheit,

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you know, and that kind ofI mean, just minutes all right
in your toast, and for everybodyto be scattershot, but then to be
gathered into one straight line running away. I've heard Yetty, but I have
my own theory kind of kind ofnuts, but you know, I want

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to hear more. Yeah, andI kind of want to discuss that towards
the end too, because there's oneof them that does kind of make sense
to me, and we'll discuss thatafter we kind of I want to go
through how they were found and sortof some of the medical conditions that were
they were in. Have you heardof any of that stuff, Sean?

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Bits and pieces. This is oneof those ones where you know, you
see the reports and things and it'syou know, you get little bits of
information about the actual folks in someof the research that you have, but
then everybody's theories that you know thisthis is like the funnel, you know,
just all this massive information of Ithink this or I think this instead

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of I think actually trying to breakdown looking at exactly what happened everybody.
So, I mean, like Isaid, bits and pieces, right,
Yeah, So, first and foremost, they didn't actually show up to the
camp site until the twenty fifth ofFebruary, and this did happen they're guessing

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based off the journal entries and everything. On the night of the February first,
they found the tent, which waspartially still up. The only reason
they found it was because one ofthe posts was still up and part of
the tent was still up. Andthe rest of it was pretty much caved
in. The stuff inside of thetent. You know, their clothes were
still there, all four cameras thatwere actually on the registry they had.

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They made them register all of theirlike equipment and tools on a registry,
which is even weirder because one ofthe members that were found had a camera
on them that wasn't registered. Andagain, they weren't even really they didn't
bother grabbing their clothes, but theysomehow managed to grab the camera, which
makes it a little weird. Butso about the first The first few were

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found earlier on in the morning wastwenty one year old Yuri Durashinko and twenty
three year old Yuri krevenav Shinko.I think that's pretty accurate. I'm sure
I'm not rolling enough ours there,but they were both basically pronounced dead from
hypothermia, frozen to death. Theyhad burnermarks and multiple abrasions. And then

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they found two more closer in theafternoon. They found twenty three year old
Igor Dyatlov and twenty two year oldZenyati or Zenyata Kolmogorova, one of the
females. They both looked like they'dbeen trying to return to the tent when
they died. A few days afterthat, the body of Rustom Schloben was

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also discovered. He had a fracturedskull. The remaining hikers were found in
a ravine on May fifth. Soseveral months later after there was a thaw
and one of the local tribe,Munsi tribe were out with their dog and
they found one of the like,I think they found some of the cloth
and maybe one of the hands weresticking out of the snow. They found

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Nicola Stubio with a cave in schooltwenty four year Yeah, sorry, now
you're good. Hey, his coalis skull was caved in, and they
actually found bone fragments in his brain. Twenty four year old Alexander Kolbatov had
a deformed neck and was missing hiseyebrows. The oldest hiker, Simeon Zoalatrov

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and twenty year old Ludmiya Duminaya orsomething like that, had crushed chest with
multiple broken ribs, both missing theireyes, and Ludimilia her tongue was missing.
Huh yes, So that's just kindof the rough the rough break down.

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I got a lot more details aboutthem, but I kind of wanted
to throw that out there first.So clearly they endured something pretty intense.
What do you guys got Well,there was two women, yes, and
seven guys, So to me,that's a problem already, especially so I'm

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thinking there's a little bit of jealousysomewhere, and there's also a tenth person
who decided not to go. That'swhy I'm leaning towards the tenth person who
came back after the date to tryto look innocent with the bashed hands in
and all the other ways that theywere found, and for the person to

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take their time coming back. There'ssome a bit of a mystery there and
a why what you got shot?Oh dude, Okay, Look, first
of all, you have eyebrows missing, burn marks, eyeballs missing, tongue
missing, you know, things ofthat nature. All these like weird questionable,

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you know, just I could understand, if you know, some force
creatures found them and they got nibbledon in the most general sense. But
when you have specific parts missing,and I can see, like, you
know, maybe that other one isa serial killer, right, and took
specific items from you know, biologicitems from the people, right, Okay,

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that's possible, but because of youknow, they say lack of tracks
and things. I mean, ifyou want to get weird on this one.
And we know aliens exist because thegovernment. I mean I knew beforehand
and he did, but the governmentfinally admitted, yeah, they exist,
you know, so we know weknow it's official in the record books.

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I have always had an inkling thatthis had. And Siberia is just so
crazy with like tales of Yetti's andyou know, further to the to the
east, the Siberian the saying,the Mongolian sand worms and all just all
the weird cryptids that are out there. Right, this one just smacks of

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alien to me. And in technology, it really does. And I want,
Sean, you're on a good,good point that there's another reasoning that
that does kind of make sense tome, which we'll kind of explain later
on. But evolution, what doyou got. Well, they're all experienced
hikers. Yes, they kind ofjumps out at me. So for them

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freak out and cut the way outthe back of a tent, it had
to be something pretty extreme or somethingthat none of them have seen before.
I'm really not gonna go to thealien yet. Unless I get a little
bit more, but I'm still thinkingit's it's probably either one of them or
somebody period. They might have wenta little crazy in the cold. Yeah,

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and the craziness, there's a lotof explanation that could possibly cause one
or multiple of them to actually kindof go nuts. I mean, you're
talking about these negative temperatures, bittercold, and probably high pressure winds.
And there's something called the the catamonicwinds and basically or cataponic as I might

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be mispronouncing it, but anyways,basically, the way that the wind blows
high speeds as it whips around cliffsand stuff can create basically many tornadoes,
and the sounds that they dispense areso high frequency that they can actually cause
people to kind of, you know, go a little haywire. So that

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was that is one of the theories. Well, aliens is crazy, but
screaming tornadoes somebody that lives in theMidwest, that's one of the theories.
That's one of the theories. Officer. I wasn't going to hit my wife,

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but then that screaming tornado, damncatamonic winds here we are again.
That would be a I wonder ifyou could get out of the case where
that you know, I didn't meanto kill them, but those damn cataponic
winds. I don't know. Look, guys, I think the thing,

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you know, you have to thinkabout human psychology and how people react to
things and fight or flight, youknow, response and all of that.
And if you know, and Imean without being there and having the logistical
kind of topography right to know whatway the tent was facing all this stuff.

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But if we're thinking of just likea let's say a tent that they've
got the pull set up and it'syou know, say they did something even
a bit more advanced than it went, you know, sloped down and it
had sides all right, but it'sstill pitched at them, you know,
at both ends, like you know, standard camping tents would be right back
in the day, something on thefront side or the opening side, if

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they didn't lose their minds to windsor methane gases or temperature whatever it is,
right, if we remove those variablesand just say, you know,
those conditions were normal, then whateverwas on the opening or at the opening
was so terrifying that they literally turnedaround, cut their way out and ran

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into negative twenty degree weather right toget away from it? Right? What
the hell could that have been?What could have been so scary that the
negative twenty degree weather was less ofa threat then whatever was at that opening?

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And the only possible explanation that Icould come up with based off the
fact that there was no other tracks, I mean, could small critics have
done it? You know, Idon't think that there would have been anything
like even if it was a wolfor something, if they could find the
feet tracks from people, I wouldleast think that, you know, a
pack of wolves or anything, theywould at least have found traces, even

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with crazy wines and everything. See, that's the thing, that's what the
experienced hiking comes in. You know, if somebody wanted to kiver help some
tracks in ice or snow, itcould be done right, you know.
And then I'm looking at the ageages that you mentioned, the majority of
them was between twenty and twenty three. And then you had this thirty seven
year old right, you know,so he's one of the dead too though,

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Like he's one of the last onefound, Like he made it to
the very last trek that they gotto and passed away with the group.
So it's kind of hard to reallypinpoint him when he was one of them.
And how does thirty seven make himcreepy? Well, and didn't say
it made him creepy. It justmade him stand out. It doesn't make

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him stand I mean he joined atthe very last minute too, Like it
was like the first last couple ofdays. He's like, hey, I'm
you know, tag along, Butagain, I don't know. It is
weird. It does stand out.And also the fact that no nobody in
the group actually knew his real name. He went by Sasha really, but
nobody in the group knew his actualname. And again, one of these
people had a camera that they didnot register that they had on their body.

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Well that's grabbed during the panic ofleaving there, of what people do.
I think they were probably getting information, you know how people do when
there's a group of people you're notsupposed to do this, and there's always
one But it's even more interest Unitedstands out even more because nobody knew his
name. Why would you go ona trip, the camping trip, to

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those measures in those extremes with somebodythat you don't know, right, h
Yeah, most of these are allyou know, students that went to the
same school. They all kind ofknew each other somehow. But I mean,
I guess I'm thinking now, Imean, they don't know his name.
So if somebody finds out something andhe doesn't want them to tell,

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of course he cuts their tongue out. Then if somebody sees something that they
shouldn't have seen, maybe he takessome eyeballs out, just the thought.
Just okay, but what about theeyebrows? Should they have not raised their
eyebrows suggestively him? He was oneof the two that were found with no
eyes, so that kind of rulesout what happened. Okay, Okay,

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you know, you know how ifsomebody licks a hole in the cold and
and the tongue sticks, you know, maybe that happened with the eyebrows.
Maybe they pour some water on someice or something and like banged his head
into it, and then when hepulled it off, the eyebrows was still
there. Just the thought the icelooks surprised, all right. So let's

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kind of get into a few ofthese these deaths here, okay. So
the first the first two, whichwas ury uh come something there or another.
There's two Yuri's. They both werefound. Let's see, we got
yury. The Roshinko and Uri caravanand Shinko were found by a cedar tree
closest to the tent they had.There was there's a few things that kind

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of stick out here. There werebranches broken off of this tree up to
fifteen feet high of the tree fifteenfeet up to fifteen feet And the part
of the weirdness to this is thatsome of the people who were investigating said
that these branches aren't just easy totake off, like you were even hanging

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from them. It would be difficultto break these branches, and the branches
were broken all the way up tofifteen feet of the trunk. Both the
bodies had plenty of abrasions the bruise, and one of them actually had chewed
their knuckle and had it in theirmouths when they were found. They had

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chunk of their knuckles was in theirmouth and had the other one had blood
on their mouths and their nose.And they were found around what looked like
there was a fire that might havelasted about an hour according to investigators.
What's weird to me is the factthat there was fifteen up to fifteen feet

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high. These burn marks, andeven the investigator said that was even more
suspicious was that one of them hadburn marks on their head and their arms,
which would kind of indicate that maybethey were so frozen that they were
sticking them legitimately into the fire.But based on the surrounding area, he
said, some of the tree topswere even burned, like the actual surrounding

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trees in the woods were burnt ontop of the trees, which that is
interesting aliens. See, Okay,so this the I do remember the something
about the branches and things and whereit becomes. But okay, going by

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to what evolution said, you know, an experienced tracker, an experienced woods
person and experienced hiker knows how toread tracks, cover tracks, all that
stuff. I mean, I grewup in the country. Man, We've
learned how to do all that kindof stuff. Right, So let's let's
go over here now into this pocketof of you know, cryptids and things

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like that. Say it was yetti, all right, Well, you know,
if a yeti is this mystical creaturething from that area of the world,
it's going to know how to coveragetracks. Of course it has because
it's kept it self hidden for allthese all these centuries, right, But
you know it would make sense ifthese guys had treed themselves to get away

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from this thing, and it isjust just swiping at him to get him
out of the tree, right,Right, But the tree tops and all
that stuff with the burmarket go backto again, the burn marks on those
people, Like your explanation sounds,you know, fairly plausible with they're just

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so out of their mind trying toget warm that they just basically lean themselves
into the fire. Okay, butwere they the only ones with burn marks?
Right? And we'll keep going here, right, Yeah, I'm thinking
it's nineteen fifty nine, so theydon't have the gadgets do we have today

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as far as you know, lightingfires or climbing tools or anything like that.
So that's kind of what jumped outof me as Sam was talking.
Right, I do want to kindof correct one error that I had in
case somebody watching this says something.It was that February twenty seventh, not

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the twenty fifth. That is myfault. I apologize everybody. Let's throw
this whole case out. I'm yeah, that's going to really change up everything
now, those extra two days everythingnow okay. So the leader was the

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next to be found. You heard, was found around eleven in the afternoon
or early noon. Face He wasfound face up, heading back towards the
tent above the snow. They foundhis hands. They were clenched up towards
his chest. He had an unbuttonedjacket on which the investigators that was unusual,

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being that they were, you know, such bitter cold winds, and
these are like experts. The factthat his his jacket was unbuttoned, I
don't know. Out of all ofthese things, I don't know why that's
suspicious. Let's see what else itsays. Case he left the vest to
one of the So the guy whocame back it was his vest. The

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guy who survived who turned away,he had given it to him. M
hm. He had minor abrasions onhis forehead, minor abrasions on his eyelids.
His complexion was a brownish red.Dried blood on his lip. His
lower jaw had missing incisors and mucosawas intact. That suggests his tooth was

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lost long before the trip. Bruceknees without without blood. Both ankles had
brownish red abrasions, a single incisionand the lower third right tibia metacarpo flangial
joints on the right hand had brownred bruises, which is an injury that

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could have been from a fight atsome point, which can be kind of
an idea that maybe there was somethingthat happened between somebody there. There was
no internal injuries though for him,I don't say he had a full bladder.
I don't know why the hell that'sit. There next to him was

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found the naive that one of thegirls. She was face down towards the
tent, skin and face had apurplish red tone. She was better dressed
than the bodies underneath theater. Theysaid that she actually probably took some of
the clothes from them, which ispretty tactical and is what you would do

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in a situation like this for anybodythat's experienced, if you're starting to lose
some of your group, you dotake their clothing, and situations like this,
they even said that they lined thebodies up underneath the cedar tree,
so those who were still alive thatleft them there actually kind of did something.
You know, it's proper to kindof rotate them, give them proper

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placement, so there wasn't anything goingon during this whole time, because they
had time to do that. Soshe was found They the autopsy said just
hypothermia due to violent Accidentical examination saidthat Zanita was not especially active during the

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time of death. I don't knowwhy. That's relative. Oh, she
did have a prior relationship to withor Diallo, the lead guy. I
was she had a fractual fracture onher the front of her head, so
her school was cracked. Uh,And that's all I have for her.

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So so far, we've got thefirst four. We know that two of
them headed back. So at somepoint four of them went a different direction
from the first of them. Whatdo you guys got so far? This
was heading back. So basically twoof them decided to go back to the

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tent. Yeah, so whatever wasgoing on in the tent must not have
been too too terrifying for them todecide to go back, or they felt
like it was gone right right right? What you got, Sehn, I'm
pondering it just it feels like,Okay, you remember the I think it

(36:14):
was John Carpenter's nineteen eighty ish filmThe Thing Right with Kurt Russell and how
this was. It was the youknow the horror movie trope of picking apart
the group one by one, youknow, so the same as like the

(36:37):
movie Alien right, where you know, one by one they're taking the soldiers
are getting killed off, you know. And it just is starting to get
that feel where this group gets scatteredand this didn't happen over just one night
and people were freezing and then youknow, you've got one with a crack

(36:58):
neck and all this stuff. Itjust seems like, I don't know,
I just I feel like there's somethingout there in the darkness. I kind
of just taking them out. Yeah, yeah, one of time. Yeah.
And that's the thing about this thiscase is it's so open to be

(37:20):
anything. And I mean, yeah, you could be a realist. Yeah
you can say, okay, wellscience proves it, science has this,
but it doesn't really prove it.It's just an option. It's just that's
all it is. It still seemslike there's some misin information. There is.
And and here's here's one of thethings. So during the people who
are investigating, so they decide tosend out there, you have civilians,

(37:44):
you have the local Munzie tribe thatare helping. You have the k GB,
which is the Russian CIA. Whyare they involved? Hmmm, they're
involved in this whole investigation and theinvesting ends up closed on May fifth.
We're kind of jumping around a littlebit, but we always do on all

(38:05):
the shows, which is fine.And actually the lead guy, his name's
like Leev something, he's like thelead investigator thirty five years after this,
comes out and talks about how hehad to turn everything over to the KGB
on May fifth, after the conclusionof the results of the investigation and they

(38:25):
shut everything down. Nobody's it's evenhard to find this case in Russia,
Like you can't find these files.I mean you can today, but it's
it's hard to find in the country. Okay, So we know that there
were so many men and so manywomen. Now I'm thinking, who were
they and what did they do right? And here's something I guess this is

(38:49):
a good point to kind of takea little break from this. We'll get
back into it. But there wasa nuclear testing facility and not far from
where they were hiking through at thetime that exploded about a decade prior,
and one of these members worked atthat plant cleaning it up after the explosion.

(39:10):
The reason this is interesting is becauseeverybody had radiation on them m which
is also very weird, and thefact that there was that much enough to
be lingering on all the bodies,there had to be some sort of exposure
to it. Some of the scientistsdecided that it doesn't really add up because

(39:34):
it was a decade but prior,and to have that amount of radiation still
on the clothing to be able tospread across all of them, it would
have had to be not washed.And then then why would it be there
with them? And then there wasanother explanation saying that lanterns back then and
lamps used something that would give offradiation in whatever the oil was that they

(39:59):
used, which could kind of explainit. Yeah, that tracks. I
mean, for God's sake, theyused to sell science kids to kids in
the nineteen fifties in this country witha radiated piece of pieces of I mean
you know, I'm talking about likeactual radium or whatever it is, and

(40:20):
they could take the Geiger counters toit and everything, and the kids were
like straight up getting radiation of poisoningoff of it. Yeah right, I
mean, hell, there's my parentswere antique dealers, and there's what the
hell is the glass that it's irradiatedand it glows in blue light? What

(40:43):
the hell is it called? Thepoint is is things were very loose bactive.
But here's my question. Do weknow exactly where they went to by
the time they got to where thatcampsite is? Because perhaps if the dude
worked out there and there was someship that they wanted to see, because

(41:05):
on some of the hikes that I'vebeen on, we went to places we
weren't supposed to go because we wantedto see some cool shit. H Okay,
that extra well and the and theextra person that ended up backing he
made it as far as one ofthe stops was an abandoned facility that he

(41:25):
wanted to see, and that's whyhe pushed through. Even with desiatic issues
and some of his other health problems, he pushed in to tell that point,
and that's when he decided to goback. So there were stops that
they want to do. There werelittle towns and stuff that they wanted to
visit, and even some of thetowns people that they met said that they
had a good time with them.One of the members played like a it

(41:47):
was a ukulele or something like that. And they said they, you know,
they just had a good time listeningto music. And but nobody had
a bad experience with any of thegroup. But some of the theories are
that one of these guys was involvedwith the KGB and was meeting them up
there to give them something, whichis plausible. I mean, it's definitely

(42:12):
not too far out there, especiallyif there's a nuclear facility up there that's
possibly getting covered up. Because actuallythat wasn't even released in Russian documentation until
the seventies, so after this evenhappened, they didn't even release that it
happened, that the explosion ever occurred. There were towns that were affected,

(42:34):
and they were like hushed to nottalk about it either until after this was
released. Then it kind of startedto spread word about it, which so
they didn't even find out about thatfactor till well after this investigation. They
might explain burning on the top ofthe tree and the tree limbs, right,
and aliens are known to be aroundnuclear plants, and and well no,

(43:04):
and also I mean if you lookat crop circles as an example,
where you know, the they talkabout the different things being laid down perfectly
flat and burned at certent. Youknow they're irradiated, okay, and that
that's pretty consistent in the crop circlecommunities. So you know that's here's Michael,

(43:28):
What the fuck with these alphabet agencies? Right? Why not just I
know humans and mass are stupid,okay, except for all of our listeners
and fans outside of them. Whynot just tell us the truth? You
know, yes, some aliens camedown and fucked these people up. You

(43:51):
know, you could say serial killer. Okay, fine, but you know
you have this evidenced where all thesethings are being tossed and nothing makes sense,
nothing get is consistent. There's nomand this person that did all this
stuff had to be incredibly scary andstrong, because you say there's a deformed
neck, so that means somebody hadto take one of these campers and like

(44:15):
that. And it's not like they'resaying that that didn't kill him. Jesus,
what is on these Russians? JesusChrist, I've only been shocked.
Let's just finish Pike. One ofthe men was actually known for apparently wrestling

(44:37):
in actual bear. There is documentationof it. One of them apparently faced
on aad a herd of horses likestampeding towards them. So I mean,
these are these are people who arelike high intensity thrill seekers. So I
mean if they did go nuts,I mean, they could hurt each other.

(45:01):
But the problem is some of theseinjuries are too intense for a human
to have done it. Some ofthem, the investigators were saying, like,
it's like car crash style bone fracturesand broken chests and rib like caved

(45:22):
in chests and ribs are broken,Like this wasn't just a fistfight between some
guys, right, And the physicalitythat it takes to snap like a human
femur as an example, that isan incredible amount of strength, like insanely

(45:45):
strong. So it's again with justthe preponderance of all these different pieces,
and if you try to aggregate everythingto one place and say, okay,
all these puzzle pieces together, noneof the edges fit right. And let's

(46:07):
get back to the bodies. Sothe fifth person roostom So all of the
bodies that we found so far,the first four that they've found were February's
twenty seventh, and now let's fastforward to May fifth. They don't find
anymore until May fifth, we're talkingtwo months later, almost two months later,

(46:27):
month and a half, one ofthe Munzie tribe find Roostom during the
thaw, and he's not far fromthe last two, the leader and the
first female, and he was alsofacing the tent, so he was trying
to get back as well. Hewas the most clothed, which would make
sense if he survived from all ofthem, he could have taken extra clothing

(46:50):
from them. He did have abrasionson the forehead, bridges on his upper
eyes, left eyebrow, minor bridgeson his cheek, dried blood on his
lip, his lower jaw. Ohwow, he had similar ones to the
last female, wounds on second andfifth finger on the left hand. And

(47:13):
that's all it says for him,so there wasn't a ton. Then later
down by the ravine they found thelast four people we've got let's see here.
To bear with me, I'm scrolling, I'm scrolling. Ludmia Duminina.

(47:35):
She was wearing short sleeves and alongwith a long sleeve over that, two
sweaters, so some of these gatherthey gathered clothes on their way down.
She was missing her eye sockets,missing her eyeballs, her nose cartilage was
broken and flattened, so her nosewas gone. There was no nose.

(48:00):
Her upper jaw was exposed, missingher lip, her upper lip, her
second, third, fourth, andfifth rib were broken on the right.
Her second, third, fourth,fifth, and sixth were broken on the
left side. They could find fracturelines on them, massive hemorrhage in her

(48:20):
heart. They found coagulated blood inher stomach, which means that her tongue
was removed before she died, whichis pretty freaking weird. So her and
the older one, Sasha, hadall the They all had the broken rib

(48:44):
like. They both had broken ribsand their eyeballs missing. His second,
third, fourth, fifth, andsixth on his right side were broken,
an open wound on the right sideof his skull was exposed with bone fragments
in his brain. So, Imean, some of the theories are that
they fell into the ravine, butthey like built like a den in the

(49:08):
snow by this ravine. This ravine'snext to like a little creek bed,
and they survived somehow. They managedto build this ravine like they had like
wood laid out, like they tried. They were trying to survive. What
do you guys got so far withthese these two had the most injuries.

(49:35):
I think whatever it was caught upwith them. Yeah, I think that
it'd be at Aliens. Whatever itwas, you know, this thing that
was taking them out one by one. They'd wake up the next day the
person would be dead. So theywere lining them up by the tree,
collecting, you know, their clothingand everything, just you know, like,
hey, this person's dead, sothey're collecting their shit. Finally gets

(49:59):
to the point, you know whereif you know I'm a writer, okay,
if I'm doing the screenplay on this, the next move is, you
know, just kind of a deductivereasoning. These two were like, we've
got to get out of here orwe're going to die. So they make
a My first thought was, yeah, they fell, because it sounds like

(50:21):
a traumatic injury, right, Butthey set up, they tried to build
something in the ravine to stay warmand safe, and the coagulated blood and
the stomach, meaning the tongue wasremoved before, So that's not that's not
a fall, you know, unlessshe bit off her tongue in the fall

(50:45):
and all the blood ran down herthroat into her stomach. Right, But
you're talking about a convergence of somany like little things for that to happen
and be factual and even remove thefact that both of their eyes are just

(51:08):
gone. Yep, right, Well, I mean there there was this radiation.
I'm not sure how strong or powerfulit was, but I'm sure that
could have some type of effect onan individual depending on what type of radiation

(51:34):
and how it was distributed, Iguess. And definitely they were probably running
from something or somebody, right,and all kinds of stuff happened. You
know, in that environment you cantrip and fall, of course, or
somebody can trip you, you know. But I mean even in a small

(52:00):
a group like that, if somethingcomes after you or someone then you start
running. We we all know howthat that can end up. You know,
somebody can trample over somebody else orjust push them out the way,
or you know, throw them behindthem so that they won't be the next
one to get got I'm still thinkingit it was it was somebody who or

(52:25):
some some someone you know, theymentioned the KGB. Maybe they went somewhere
and got found something that they weren'tsupposed to find, right, and which
activated a response, and that's whythe files disappeared, right, That's what
I got. So we still haveto two people here, Alexander Kolvatav right,

(52:52):
he had so the last four theywere all next basically next to each
other in the den. That's That'sone thing that I can't say, is
that they were all They were allfound in this den. One was kind
of hunched over. Alexander had alack of tissue around his eyes and eyebrows.
His eyebrows were missing, His skullbone was exposed. The bridge of

(53:14):
the nose was straight, but thecartilage was soft and palpable, which made
for unusual mobility. It wasn't necessarilybroken, but they couldn't confirm whether it
was or not. He had toopen one behind his ear. A deformed
neck, diffuse bleeding in the underlyingtissue of the left knee, softened and
whitened skin of the fingers and feet, sign consisted with pure putrefication in a

(53:38):
wet environment. And he had akind of a grayish green color to him.
And then the last one, Nikolaibreugniol I know I said that wrong.
He was the most protected from thecold, which the investigator said.
He was probably outside of the tentwhenever the threat occurred because he was so

(54:02):
dressed. Yeah, he had acoat on. He had several sweaters for
hats, knitted bowling hats. Hisbottom he was protected with cotton pants ski
pants, so they're thinking that hewas actually already outside of the tent.
He even had boots on. Itsays he had multiple fractures to the temple

(54:28):
bone with extensions to the frontel andvanoid bones. The close up of fractures
to the school is shown on thepicture. You guys can't see the picture,
Bruce, it's just like a almostlike a mannequin's face with some points
on it. Bruce on the upperlip on the left side, hemorrhage on
the lower forearm. And that's allthey have on him. So that's all

(54:51):
of them. I mean, thetwo that got at worse was the older
guy and the second girl. Theyhad the broken that lude me as she
had the broken ribs and the missinghighs and the missing tongue. But that's
it as far as how they were. And most of them had burn marks
on them, not all of them, but I mean there were signs that

(55:14):
they tried to build, like firesand stuff, which would explain. I
mean, when you're at that intensecold and you start to go numb.
A lot of the investigate reports thatI saw so that that's not uncommon because
they're they can't feel the heat,so they're literally sticking their body parts into
the fire. So that's what Igot. As far as the information goes,

(55:38):
I mean there's probably, actually there'snot probably. There's definitely a lot
more detailed information you could get into. You could track it. Again.
A lot of the research I did, some of the podcasts lists too,
were several parts, but I didn'twant to get that to a depth because
realistically, I gave all the factualinformation. There's more to it, but
it's not going to affect the outcomeof I told you mm. So basically,

(56:05):
h the guy who had the mostclothes was outside. Yes, he
got infected by sense, right,he got infected by radiation. So his
mind was tripping. So he tookall their clothes and said, I'm not
going to die out here in thiscold. And the chick and the guy
that got beat up the worst,you know, he had a thing for

(56:27):
her. So he saw them doingsome stuff, so he said, you'll
never look at each other again.So he took their eyes out and then
uh, the other girl was like, you know what I'm going to tell
and he's like, now I'm gonnatake your tongue from you. Or was
that the same person. You're justkind of throwing out some random story and

(56:47):
then and then the guy to turnback at the end, he's like,
you know what, this seems alittle weird. I'm gonna back out because
you know, I just I justgot that feeling, you know. But
he took his time going back,which you know means he maybe he was
in on it, and then kindof instead of using the story, took
his time going back, he actuallyfollowed them and waited till all the damage

(57:14):
was done and then did the arrangementof everything to make it look weird and
stupid, and then made his wayback to civilization. That's what I got.
What you got, Aliens. It'sit's strange, you know, I

(57:35):
mean, and actually, I'm thisis cool because there was a lot more
information than what I had familiarized myselfwith, you know, years ago about
this. But it's just it's weirdbecause it's like there was an investigation,
but yet you know, if theKGB was trying to totally lock this thing
down, there would have been noinvestigation. You know, the alphabet groups

(58:00):
just sweep in do their thing inthe in the you know, under the
dark of night, and nobody's thewiser, Right, why are they working
alongside people and then taking all theinformation at the end. If this was
something where it was straight up KGBinvolvement, you know, we wouldn't even

(58:21):
know about this, right, youknow, right, So this tells me
this was something that happened, excuseme, And you know this wasn't after
like they're figuring stuff out and theyfound out something that couldn't get released to
the public either because of you know, they're trying to hide their damn secrets,

(58:45):
you know, which all those groupsdo because they're all fucking evil,
you know, or they found somethingthat would set the population ablaze with just
you know, information that would youknow, kick us out of our daily
you know what we think reality isand you know, say the population on

(59:05):
fire. So you know we can'tknow about that because you know, but
it just the thing that is messingwith me is not even the eye sockets
and things so much because there arecritters out there that nibble on dead people
and you talk about tissue that's goingto be the easiest to bite on is

(59:25):
you know that's going to be likeyour eyeballs and things. Okay, so
nor your pets will do I meandogs, and I mean if they're left
alone, they will eat that meal, right exactly. Okay, So you
could explain those things away. Butthe consistency, because they didn't say it
was like windburning things, you wouldthink that would be in the report.

(59:49):
But you had consistent abrasions to theforehead, eyes, things like that.
So it's like every one of thesepeople got at least beaten about the the
head right by something. So there'sa consistency. And then you have,
you know, the eyeballs, whichis a consistency. You have the absolute

(01:00:10):
damage done to somebody that is farbeyond what you know, unless it's just
a massive, massive dude, likeyou know, even beyond what I was
when I was powerlifting beating on thesepeople with you know, a tool which
you would have seen in the inthe autopsy reports, and then that guy's

(01:00:31):
neck just deformed and twisted around.It just seems so like there is something
that came at these people that isbeyond right. And that's kind of my
stance on it. I did gothrough a lot of like the conspiracy theories,

(01:00:52):
like the local tribe, the Munsitribe were a bunch of very small
people and actually this was like unchartedtear. This wasn't even their territory.
They were around in the area,but they didn't they've even helped in the
investigation. They even had reports ofyou know, having run ins with them
and they were fine, like therewas no issues. Right, the wind

(01:01:16):
theory doesn't make sense, but itdoesn't in the sense to me it's speculative
because of how much damage was doneand the fact that a lot of the
injuries and the broken body parts andmultiple reports said that it was too aggressive
for a person to have done itright, right. I even looked at

(01:01:39):
the yetty theory and did some researchinto dedy of Yetti attacks supposed to Yetta
attacks, and most of them aren'tattacks. Most of them the reports show,
are that they are attacked by rocksthat are thrown by the yetdies from
a distance. They never actually haveapproached the people, which could make sense

(01:02:00):
for the broken or the fractured headsand stuff like that, right, but
they wouldn't have been physically attacked bythem. Like that's the other things,
So like if there if there wasany fighting going on, it wasn't with
It was most likely not with aYETI if if the yetti was the case,
right had some type of tracks,yes, and yes they're heavier.

(01:02:23):
If they could find the tracks ofthe people, there probably would have been
some other tracks. The the fifteenfeet of broken branches is weird to me
because I don't see anybody in thenegative twenty degrees, half naked, climbing
fifteen foot up a tree and breakingall of the branches off to build a

(01:02:45):
fire like that. I don't seethe strength to do that. I mean,
I don't know. And in effect, a lot of the investigators that
wrote the reports even said like itwould have been extremely difficult for a human
to have broken those and they werethere, so it's not like it happened

(01:03:06):
over time, like they were usingthe brush to do a fire. But
how like it doesn't make sense tome, you know, and the burned
tree tops like I could see.Like for me, my theory is the
nuclear plant maybe wasn't completely gone andthere was still some experiments happening. We

(01:03:29):
know that experiments happened. Even inour country, there's areas that we can't
go to and that they do experimentswhatever, whether it's extraterrestrial or whatever new
technology it's out there. I mean, there's a nuclear devices out there now
that will blow us the Earth overfour times right now that we do know
about. Just think about what wedon't know. So if there was tests

(01:03:50):
going on and they happened to seesomething in the sky and somebody noticed a
light or something coming from their tent, that could cause them to come and
you know, cause harm remove thethe people who saw it, which would
make sense for covering up the tracks. So personally, I think that KGB

(01:04:13):
was involved somehow, and I thinkthat the older guy who joined the group
was probably somehow involved to maybe kindof deter them from being directed towards that.
If we're going realistic now, Ialso believe that aliens exist. I
think our universe is huge, andit would be stupid not to think of

(01:04:35):
that, you know, and ifyou don't, whatever, But that's just
how my mindset is. And ifthey're far more advanced and they know we
have the kind of technology to explodethe Earth, they're probably going to be
monitoring it. So they could havebeen there, they could have done something
as well. So I mean,it would either be Russian government hiding stuff

(01:04:57):
or aliens. Out of all ofthe thing that I've seen, those make
sense. How about irradiated yetti.I think the radiation with the lamps.

(01:05:24):
He's coming down from the he's madat the humans. Yeah, he's not
your normal yety. He's pumped fullof just some radiation. He's a hulk.
He's a hulk. It's the incredibleHarrier. Uh, it's you know
again, this is just such aconvergence of so many different things, you

(01:05:50):
know, any and the thing isany one of them by themselves is strange.
And that's what makes this particular irksomeas far as trying to figure something
out or get some sort of perspectiveon it. Because the branches, by
itself, yeah, there are lotsof ways you could explain it away.

(01:06:11):
But if these were not just branchesbut limbs, if that's what we're talking
about, and to be broken offby any one of the people, I
mean, yeah, I totally getwhy that would be something that's hard to
explain. Treetops being burned, Yeah, you know, if there were nuclear
things going on out there, fine, by itself crazy, you know,

(01:06:36):
something you could look at with abunch of different explanations. Every single one
of the dead people right in howthey died would be an investigation by itself.
But now you have all of thisstuff in one area. And that's
why this whole thing makes no senseand why people have still like we're talking

(01:06:56):
about it now for God's sake,because it's just it's it's like it's too
much, you know. It's likethe Aliens yetty KGB, all of this
conspiracy stuff converged on this this groupof hikers and fucked them up right,
and then they all kind of lookedat each other and high fived, and
the yettie went home, aliens flewoff. KGB went back to their hole

(01:07:17):
in the ground and called it aday. Mm hmm. I'm thinking we're
forgetting something, something simple that theymay be overlooked. Like the extreme cold.
I think when when when when peopleeven here, when it gets so
cold your lips cracked and they bleed. You know, you get bruises from

(01:07:42):
you know, too much severe cold. Uh you know, and if if
it's if they're on ice, youknow you slip and fall, you're going
to really have, you know,a nice little bruise or break or something.
You know it if you on somethinglike you said, and then you

(01:08:03):
know birds they you know, theygo straight for the eyeballs, things of
that nature. So I'm thinking theone key factor outside of the radiation is
the cold. So I mean witha withold a tree typically break in natural
environment, a branch or whatever,probably not. But if it's like really

(01:08:28):
really cold and just won't move,but if you swing on it, you
know, it might give away.That's just some of the thoughts that I
got. I mean, I thinkthe cold can really trigger a lot when
especially in psychology, when people arethinking and they're experiencing that bitter cold and

(01:08:49):
somebody's taking their clothes, It's like, I'm you know, you know,
people freak out. You know,I'm not. I'm not, I'm cold.
I'm not going to die out here, you know, give me your
clothes or well I'm going to takeyour life. You know, stuff like
that can kick off, unfortunately.But that's just kind of a route that
I'm going outside of, you know, the KGB involvement in the alien involvement,

(01:09:14):
and in twenty nineteen, to finalizethe information I was given in twenty
nineteen, the Russian government opened andclosed the case, saying that it was
an uncommon natural disaster called a whatit's called like a slam avalanche. Yeah,
slam avalanche. Basically it's a veryrare incident to where they said their

(01:09:40):
conclusion was that when they pitched thetent, you have the packed end snow
and then you have a lighter sectionof the snow that wasn't super packed,
and whenever they staked the tent,it caused this slab avalanche, which would
have freaked them out and caused themto leave the tent. However, if

(01:10:00):
there was an avalanche, then theywould not have found the stake of the
tent and the part of the tentwould not have still been left up.
There was also meals left out,so they were there for a while.
So the fact that that's what theyconcluded years later, twenty nineteen, that's
just a few years ago they openedand closed this case as just an uncommon

(01:10:24):
natural disaster called a slam avalanche,which doesn't make sense, like to me,
it doesn't. And the fact thatagain it was the Russian government involvement
that decided to close the case isthat which does make it weird. Ma,
And I mean I think that ifwe are going really realistically and not
you know, based on just whatwe do know, not the fact that

(01:10:45):
aliens are out there or whatever.They remove the alien factor, then I
think the Russian government was doing somethingand they saw it, and then they
decide we're removing them. Especially ifthey're experienced hikers and they've done all these
things. They were probably tough fighters. I mean I imagine they were probably
fighting pretty tough back towards whatever wasafter them. But what could it have

(01:11:13):
been. That's my like, mygod, to do the amount of damage.
Like the chick got shot and shefinished her hike, right, you
know, it felt mad for ittoo, Like she felt bad that she
was holding back the crew on thelast on that hike. Yeah. So

(01:11:33):
you've got this tough ass group ofjust Russian folks, right, I mean,
a weird mix of like X gamesand nerd scientists, right, right.
So they're smart. It's not justthat you know, they're experienced hikers.

(01:11:55):
They're smart people. And while Ithink, you know evolution, you're
probably very close on to what couldbe factual with the cold. I mean,
let's go back to the case thatwe talked about. You know,
it was it last week, theirlast one or the one before with the

(01:12:15):
dudes, and you know, theygot outside in Iowa and Missouri wherever it
was, right. You know,they didn't beat the shit out of things,
they didn't throw I mean, yeah, they could have been drugged up
and everything else. But you talkabout the survival instinct, I mean,
I don't know, man, itjust seems like logically, it just seems

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like something was coming after them andit was taking them off one or two
at a time. And these peoplewere coming and they were finding their friends,
and they were taking their clothes andeverything, and it just got to
a point where they're like, man, we got to beat feet, we
got to get out of here.Whatever it was caught up to them in
that ravine and finished the fucking job, right. I mean you said the

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lady was shut Yeah, prior.This was a prior incident. Yeah,
prior. Yeah, it was notdoing no, this this was something prior.
They were During the first part ofall the research, they kind of
explain each person in each character,and all of them have history of doing
things that are kind of outstanding.You know, they're they're very very and

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they're engineered or students, like theywent to a tech school. They're very
they're they're intelligent, They've all theyliterally did this for the fact of how
intense it was supposed to be,so they knew what they were going into.
And they actually said that the trailthat they were on wasn't even that
that bad of a trail, likethe temperature wise, yes, but the

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trail itself wasn't like that bad.It was more bitter cold, the extreme
weathers. That was the factor thatmade it so intense. And up until
the point where where they were attheir campsite, every group of folks that
they ran into and the villages andeverything else said they were in fine spirits.

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Everything was great. They were jammingwith them, you know. That's
the other again, it's it's allthis evidence of like this, doesn't you
know, if you had this tothis, it doesn't add up, just
doesn't add up, right. Andat the end of the day, we
can all have our explanations, butnone of us are going to know the
right answer. And that's that's thewhole point of this show was to not

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have a right answer, just tokind of have the ideas, which is
why I picked this case next.And I think it's a good case.
And I think that the biggest thingsfor me are like the cracked ribs,
the fractured skulls that aren't explained byjust a normal fight with between humans.

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I mean, there was more toit. The tree branch is broken,
So these little details don't add upto like an accurate answer right. Well,
in two like I've seen firsthand aguy get beaten the skull with a

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heavy beer stein multiple blows and didn'tend up with the kind of damage you're
talking about, you know. Andif it was KGB, this wouldn't have
been a case. The bodies wouldhave been gone and removed. I feel
like there wouldn't have been anything tofind. There wouldn't have been a tent,

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there wouldn't have been anything. Yeah, but maybe it was not exactly
the KGB in the beginning, butit was somebody connected to them. I
mean, once they had people startfinding bodies and stuff, even a KGB
can only do so much as faras not looking making themselves look so guilty,

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you know what I mean. Somaybe they heard about it or or
got back to them, and thenthat's when they came around and could only
do so much because it was alreadyexposed. That's good, here's a thought.
Yeah, we're just taking it onits face where you're you've said multiple

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times, well it was this thisnewke you know, testing facility. Really
is that what it was? Rightright, right exactly? Could have been
something else. You know, youtalk about Lockheed skunk Works and this ship
here in this country and the insanestuff that they're doing in the area fifty
one, that's you know that that'snot the play. I mean, that

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used to be the thing, butnow it's just you know, my understanding
from the whistleblowers and things. They'restill doing stuff there, but it's like
that's the old school cover place.This skunk works is where all the real
shit's going down. And the technologyto just that is so far beyond things
that we could even conceive right now, is what's going on there. So

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you know, and if you jumpback nikolay Tesla in the things that he
created back in those days, Ithink we were far more advanced in many
ways than what has been let onright right, So God knows what they

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were working on up there. Imean, right, they could have they
could have come across something that youknow, they were the Russian government was
flying a test craft out and theonly thing that happened was that they got
caught in the wake of you know, this thing blasting through the mountains and

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it just blew the ship out ofthe out of the campsite, you know.
And then you know, and it'susing electromagnetic you know, propulsion,
radiation whatever, and these people justgot caught in the wake. It could
be that simple. And the othertheory that I kind of came up with

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was that maybe Igor Yetlov, theone who this is named, you know,
the leader, maybe he knew somethingand that's why he designed this trip,
and maybe that there was something hewas going to find and somebody knew
that he was looking for it andfound them and eliminated him too, or
kept him from finding it. Idon't know. I don't know. That's

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interest for all your listeners out there. If you go camping, make sure
you know everybody's name and who theyreally are. Right. If there's a
guy named Sassahut, he's fifteen yearsolder than you, yeah, it shows
up. Yeah, hell of astory. What do you think, guys?

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Oh? Yeah, again, youknow, with with the mystery you
know that you're bringing every time wedo one of these is fantastic. It's
I think this one. The otherswere great because we could come up with
some I think, really sound theories. And sometimes at the end it was
fun because we did the side bysides and it's like, oh my god,

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the mom she's you know whatever.This one is a little bit frustrating
for me, and I remember itbeing frustrating when I read about it,
because it's just I like things tomake sense, you know, even with
my you know, the way mybrain works problems out, and this it
just my it can't you know,it can't work it out. So,

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you know, great story, yeah, great case, but it's, man,
that's frustrating. It is. Iagree that it's frustrating, especially because
there's not like I think what frustratedme the most was at the end of
it, finding that they recently openedand closed it based on that such a
simple theory as that just just basedon and not even being like that most
experienced of a hiker, like Ijust don't see an avalanche, not just

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annihilating that, like the way thatthe tent was found so partially stood up,
steaks still showing out the snow,like and if there was an avalanche
that would have been removed, likea simple steak would not have just been
standing and holding up part of thetent. Yeah, of course, would
have just ran right over that tent. Well. And two, the the

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you know, almost the time jumpsin the way the bodies were clothed.
You know. Again, I thinksomething was stoking them. Yeah, you
know, I agree. The manner, Yeah, because the manner of their
dress. It makes sense where likesomebody gets taken it like something happens,
the group scatters and they start comingback, and you know, saying most

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of them get back, but youknow, you're I don't know analysis whatever
his name was, right, it'sdead, all right, So somebody grabs
his clothes, they put him bythe tree, you know. And I
mean it's just it seems like it'sit's parceled out. Yeah, that for
it to not be an avalanche,Yeah, it wasn't like it was such

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a short time span. It waslike over several hours that this probably all
happened, right, And they didn'tmake it very far from the tent.
I mean, they were found onthe under snow. But like it just
if if the tent caused the avalanche, that it would have been a very
quick just and done. It wouldn'thave been like they would have had time

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to do a den that they probablywouldn't even be worried about a den.
They'd be trying to get the outof there, right, and it wouldn't
be food anywhere, you know,time and just sit there and set up
a plate and you know, putup everything in the tent and just kind
of make it seem like they werejust hanging out burning at the top of

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the tree too. Thank you.Always gonna say how many avalanches caused burns
at the top of trees. Imean, I can't count the times I've
seen avalanches of snow causing forest firesonly on the tips of the trees.
Yeah, well, you know,I think you know that. It's hard

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to really pinpoint one thing. Okay, okay, all right, here's my
final analysis out there. Here wego. All right, They're in this
area two hundred miles from everywhere.It's cold. They venture off somewhere and
I supposed to go which had radiation. It explodes, which causes an avalanche,

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and then they try to survive andthey end up in this little area
where they slip and fall, andthen the birds come out and take the
ey balls, and there you havean avalanche. Doesn't explain the tent stand
up either. Well, it's nota huge avalanche. It's like an explosion.

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You know. An avalanche just kindof caves down, but an explosion
causes things to come from a differentdirection, you know what I mean.
And if it is, if it'san explosion radiation wise, that it could
burn the top of the trees andmaybe even knock some branches down and uh
burn some people's skin. Sure,that's plausible, It's possible. It's definitely

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plausible. Interesting, that is aninteresting theory. Evolution. Next time,
you're not allowed to say anything toadd into what he said. What kind
of explosion I'm saying, I don'tknow, an energy blast from s space
ship. There you have it drivingthe spaceship who obviously had a thing for

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eyeballs, a little souvenir eyeballs.So this is like the precursor to the
Predator. Oh my goodness. Well, you know, as always, guys,
always appreciate you guys coming on theseshows. I do. I feel
like these shows are a lot offun. I actually have been reading and

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doing a lot more research, whichmakes me feel good. Because I feel
like i'm you know, I haven'tread in a long time, and it's
fun, and I've already got afew different cases lined up for the next
couple of shows, and I'm reallygetting into this, man. So I
appreciate you guys, and I appreciateeverybody that's been tuning in. And actually,
even without the people tuning in,this show has been getting a lot

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of traction even compared to other shows. I really enjoyed the brain teasing behind
it. You know, it makesyour mind wonder in areas it normally wouldn't
try to figure out some of thisstuff. But yeah, I really like
that idea of everything. Thank you. I appreciate that, which hence the
perception of it. You know,it's trying to get you guys throwing in

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those random little curveballs. It's kindof the whole point of just maybe it
was just well, here's here's somethingthat happened, and kind of encounters that.
You know, that kind of stuffmakes this a lot of fun.
So could it? Could it havebeen Hunter Biden? I'm just saying Russian

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illusion? Right, this was postWorld War two, so I mean,
come on, it's just a theory. Oh my goodness, that was sean
evolution. I appreciate both of youguys being on the show tonight, Thanks

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for having me, glad to behere, and until next time, we'll
see everybody around. Take care,m