Slave master John Edwards Robinson

Come hang out with us while we dive into the whirlwind that is John Edwards Robinson

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
So clearly they endured something pretty intense. There was two women, yes,
and seven guys, So to me, that's problem already.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
Eyebrows missing burn marks, eyeballs missing tone missing.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
Yeah, the bones decame to that degree in just four years.
I just want to see that type of dagle.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
There's just so much that's talk about on those sides.
Both sides seem real, suspect. I know it's the South,
so maybe dental records are a bit trickier down there
because they only have maybe one or two cheeks to
identify them by it.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Have you guys ever had that, Like you've driven by
a house on the middle of nowhere, You're like, I
don't wonder who lives there? What's going on?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
Oh yeah, this.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Is gonna be one of those what's happening everybody. Welcome
back to JG's Lounge. I'm your host, juke Box Ginger.
We have a wonderful co host with us tonight, Sean
shank Man.

Speaker 2 (01:17):
How you doing doing great? Man, It's good to be
back in the saddle. I've I've very much missed uh
doing these things and uh man, well what you've told
me tonight is going to be awesome. So I'm definitely
looking forward to it.

Speaker 1 (01:32):
It's it's gonna be fun. I promise it'll be good.
And we also have a return guest, Thomas Man. How
you doing or considered? What is it? Uh? What'd you say?
Concerned citizen?

Speaker 3 (01:41):
So, yeah, concerned citizen over here. I like that. I'm good, man.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
I spent all week in Chicago last week and uh
for work stuff, and then uh been a long time
since I've been one of these shows too, so I'm
excited about this one in particular.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
This is kind of a special interest of mine.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Yeah, I had to. I had to do my best
to get as much information as I could about this,
And like I said, I didn't expect eleven pages, but
I've got eleven pages that we're going to go through
over the next hour and a half. Probably. I am
streaming this live on TikTok, So if you're on TikTok,
I'm not going to really be reading the messages, but
you can always come over to YouTube and thur comments

(02:20):
up here and we'll talk to you guys. So, Sean,
you've been pretty busy lately. Man, Let's let's catch up
real quick before we dive in.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
Man, I don't know when the last episode when that
was that we cut that. But I have been doing
comedy every weekend, going back and forth from the coast,
and I mean it's been great, you know, but it's
just when you're doing like during the week I teach
college right at two different colleges, and then on the

(02:54):
weekends doing stand up every weekend, and it's you know,
it's it's exhausting. I mean, I'm grateful, it's a great life.
Been having a lot of fun, but it's just like
an example, a couple of weeks ago, I went down
from Michigan here right here, down Newport News on the

(03:18):
right right to perform at a yacht club, and which
I thought was hilarious because I'm a redneck. I mean,
I grew up in Deer Crek, Indiana, you know. And
it was like I told my wife, I said, these
I don't know if these people are gonna like me
because I'm like a turn in the punch bowl there.
But man, they were awesome. They were just amazing. And

(03:40):
then went and that, you know, went right back home
the next day, and then next weekend I was back
in Maryland at Headline and Give a Hoot comedy club
there it's I mean, I'll tell you it's just I
put since January. I just got a new car. Well

(04:00):
new to me started with seven thousand miles in January
and I'm up to twenty seven thousand as of last weekend.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Insane, But I.

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Will tell you though, the coolest thing happened. I am
my favorite movie all time, Shawshank Redemption. Okay, It's number
one movie of all time on IMDb and Rotten Tomatoes
is considered one of the greatest films ever made. Right,
and I have been dying to go to the Ohio

(04:32):
State Reformatory where it was filmed. And my name is
Sean Shank and even my comedy website is Shawn Shank
Redemption dot com. So finally, on the last trip that
we took to Maryland, we went to the Ohio State Reformatory.
Now that place, wait, can we say? It's on TikTok,

(04:52):
So we have to refrain from the F bomb.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
You can throw those out there, you just I mean,
there's certain words that I'm probably gonna slip, and it
doesn't necess really always restricted, but TikTok does sometimes restrict
certain things.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
So I will refrain from saying the one thing but
it is taunted as shit. I will tell you that.

Speaker 1 (05:10):
So let's just let's put this way. It's still on YouTube.
So even if it gets restricted and we get booted
from TikTok, it's still going. It's still on YouTube. People
can find it later on if they're into it.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
So okay, well, I'll be a good boy. I'll try
to get any point is I. So we go there
and I'm just man, I'm over the moon. I even
bought a thirty year anniversary challenge point that I keep
with me all over the place now. But the coolest
thing was not so much stuff that it would be
a whole episode in and of itself. But when I

(05:43):
pulled out my ID at to pay for the hundreds
of dollars that we spent in the gift shop, the
girl looked at my ID, and she looked up at
me and looked at the idea again, and she goes,
no fucking way, Oh my god.

Speaker 5 (05:58):
So she's calling all the other employees there it's the guy.
So I was like, because of my name, I was
a low key celebrity, and all the employeers are like,
oh my god, it's Sean Shank.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
That feels good man. I mean that's I remember my
first time being recognized from I mean, you're bigger than
I am with the comedy stuff that. But I remember
my first time somebody your jukebox ginger and I'm like, oh,
he knows, what's up, Dave. We are hanging out on
YouTube if you want to come hang out with us
or you just watching TikTok. But I felt good about it.
I was like, man, I don't even know who you are,

(06:32):
and you know who I am. That's cool.

Speaker 2 (06:37):
Yeah. Well, the funny thing was, it was like the
ones that knew me from the stand up were like,
oh my god, funny blah blah blah. But then the
others were just like, oh my god, your name Sean Shank.
So it was like kind of this amalgamation of both
things happening. I will tell you though, bro, that place
when you see the actual size of the cells and everything, it, Man,

(07:01):
it impacts you big time.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
Anyway, don't get framed for murdering your wife.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
As we dive into this, I do want to let
people know we got five people hanging out on TikTok
right now. We got a few watching on YouTube right now.
Thank yes for hanging out with us. This is going
to be somewhat explicit, uh true crime explicit. That's not
like whatever explicit whatever explicit true crime true crime show,

(07:39):
I'm gonna call explicit going forward. And if you guys
figure it out, you know what I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (07:44):
Let's listen to what I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
If you just listen, you'll know, you'll know. All right,
So we're gonna be talking tonight about this guy right here.
Let's see pop them up. This is a John Edwards
Robinson born in nineteen forty three, Cister of Illinois, which
is a Chicago suburb which al Capone. That's his neighborhood

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he has. He's the third of five kids. Dad was
a binge drinker, but he was pretty nice. Mom not
so much, really demanded neat and clean from her kids.
So Ye wanted to make a name for himself. So
by the time he was thirteen, John, We're gonna call
him Jr. For sure, because it's just gonna be easier
to do it that way. So by the time he's thirteen,

(08:35):
he becomes an Eagle scout. He enters a school to
become a priest. Wanted to work in the Vatican, traveled
to London in nineteen fifty seven with Scouts to get
performance to Queen Elizabeth II.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (08:49):
The scout leader later says that he was wasn't very outspoken,
but when he did speak, it was to produce an
effect that he wanted, which I do find Hey, what's up, Denise?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
How you doing?

Speaker 1 (09:02):
I do find that an interesting way of wording a
kid's personality, right, not very outspoken, but produces an effect
that he wanted. What do you think of that, Sean?

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Well, so, as you know, JJ, I'm an English professor
and I very much believe in you know, people. Let
me let me backtrack this. My dad always used to say,
pay close attention to the words that people use, because
they will always tell you more than what they're actually saying.

(09:38):
And in that very brief statement, there is a lot
of like, even if I didn't know this, something was
wrong with this dude, if somebody was describing somebody in
that way, it would probably like make me nervous about them.
That is a like you said, that choice, that particular

(09:59):
choice of words is frightening.

Speaker 1 (10:04):
Right, Yeah, Thomas, have you ever heard of somebody using
that term like way of wording as.

Speaker 4 (10:11):
A particular way of wording No, I mean I immediately thought,
like to dumb it down a little bit, like I
got to keep an eye out for the quiet ones
or you know, he doesn't say much, but when he
when he does say something, it means something. But it
was the way that it was put in this particular
quote does have kind.

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Of like a I face value. It shouldn't be menacing,
but like knowing what we're getting into, it's like eerie.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
You know, right, sounds like a warning, That's what it
sounds like. Sounds like a warning, right.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Sounds like somebody was scared of this person long ago.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, oh have you ever seen you guys have seen
Harry Potter? Right, yeah, okay, remember when oh my god,
slug Worth or slug Horn Slughorn was describing Tom Riddle.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
Why yeah, keep talking if I'm if I'm saying hi
to people, just keep going yeaheah.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So he was describing Tom Riddle, which was Voldemort later spoiler,
and he said, he said, even back then, they're like
he had a way about him. That's what that feels like,
where it's like this ultimate evil entity, even as a youth,
could sway people.

Speaker 4 (11:26):
Yes, manipulative, you know, dude, the way the way it's
described is it just feels like manipulative.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, yeah, right, And that's kind of why I added
that into the information because it really does kind of
give an effect of what's what's to come. Uh. So
he graduates in nineteen sixty one. D age of seventeen
does favors and small jobs for low level gangsters, so
obviously becoming a pastor's out the window.

Speaker 3 (11:54):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
He doesn't do it for very long, though, He joins,
Oh way, everybody on TikTok, I know you're there. I
see you, I see you're on there. This is a
weird way that I'm doing it, but it's I promise
it's gonna be a good show. And if you're on
YouTube right now, the four people that are hanging out
with us, thank you, guys. I don't want to keep interrupting,
so we're gonna keep going. So he gets in Morton

(12:18):
Junior College right away. He doesn't. He doesn't wait too
long to get into college. He claims he is fully
trained in the medical as a medical technician. That never happened.
Further training at West Suburban Medical Center in Chicago never happened,
got a job and an X ray department at a
Chicago hospital by presenting false resumes night at twenty years old.

(12:43):
In nineteen sixty four, Jr. Meets Nancy Lynch. He gets
here pregnant and they get married pretty quickly because well,
you know, it's kind of a thing you do sometimes.
What's up, eye? How are you? How you doing?

Speaker 2 (13:00):
Jukebox? I may bring up a point.

Speaker 3 (13:04):
Yes, we've done.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Enough of these singed things and whatnot and looked into
serial killers and everything else. Isn't it odd? How like
with H. H. Holmes and other folks, these people tend
to gravitate towards the medical profession more often than not.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Yeah, because they're not They're most of them, not all
of them, but a good chunk of them are very intelligent.
They're just they know whether it's their sneakiness, their slyness,
how smart they are, being deceitful but leading people on.
I mean, there are things about these people who that

(13:46):
stand out as as as intelligence, right, I mean beyond
like whether they're like strategically planning their stuff that I
wouldn't think of. But yeah, no, I agree.

Speaker 4 (14:00):
It's the immense amount of confidence that will get people
further than intelligence. Sometimes, Like have you ever seen Have
you ever seen like those videos of like dudes who
can try and just get in anywhere just because they
have a clipboard and a hard hat, or like two
dudes carrying a ladder with just like plain blue T
shirt and blue jeans and they just walk past security
through like you know, a nice club or where an

(14:22):
event is happening or whatever, just like the sheer confidence
that like I belong here, and people tend to like
not question it whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
You can get away with enormous things.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
Right, yeah, So, and he just I don't know the
way that this this timeline of events on this this case,
I had to keep going back to make sure I
didn't miss stuff. There's names that you forget, like you're
just oh my god, I can't believe you fucked them over,
but like and you forget because there's so much of it,

(14:54):
and it just keeps building, all right. So they get married,
the family's embarrassed that they're you know, pregnanta wedlock. Then
they end up getting a miscarriage and shortly after the
marriage and stay married anyways, and they'll stay married through
the course of this show, and then your guys are
gonna be like, why the fuck did Nancy stay with

(15:15):
this guy? So Jr. Is wanting to provide for his family,
so he starts stealing from the hospital that he got
a job at as an X ray technician through financial
scams and got caught bage for them not to turn
him in and would pay them back. They ended up
not charging, but they did terminate him and embarrassed, he

(15:35):
moves to Kansas City with Nancy. They have four kids together.
They have their oldest boy, their younger daughter, and then
their youngest are two twins, which is a girl and
a boy. John gets a job at Children's Mercy as
a pediatric X ray technician, presented letters of recommendation from

(15:55):
Morton saying he was a medical lab tech, nuclear tech
and radiographic tech. He wasn't colleagues, but at this time
this is the nineteen sixties guy. So you got to
understand technology and being able to backtrack people is a
lot more difficult. So like, yeah, I would love to
just talk about this hospital, but based on the timeframe

(16:18):
and the lack of being able to track stuff, I mean,
it's it's understandable, you know, I think that that level
of a position is questionable. Like maybe ye, I mean
he's doing X rays for kids. I think that's a stretch,
but I do. I don't want to give them too
much criticism because this is something that I feel like
has probably happened more often than not.

Speaker 3 (16:40):
Well, he brought the paper.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
You see that signature, that's not his name.

Speaker 2 (16:46):
The thing is probably like written in Kryon, and it's
like he is good tech.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
In the wards, he spells heels, he spells the X
sideways somehow, somehow, somehow.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Which was seen by a young George Lucas.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
And okay, so so. Colleagues said that he was a
very nice guy, but he talked to babies like it
they were adults. I thought that was a funny. That's
pretty funny. I'm sorry. I'm gonna need you to quit
whining so much. I'm not I'm not sure if those
are words coming out of your mouth, but I'm having

(17:24):
a hard time.

Speaker 4 (17:25):
Excuse me, sir, Excuse me, sir, use your words.

Speaker 2 (17:32):
You're rude, sir.

Speaker 1 (17:35):
How dare you spin on me? I'm a I have
a professional. Do you know who I am? They also
did not understand how he didn't know how to read
X rays or the results. Oh so pretty much this
whole job. He wasn't good at a little good, so Jr.

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Begins leaving his wife at home more and more. Shortly
after they moved to Kansas City, goes out clubbing a lot.
He starts excessively hitting on women at the hospital, which
turns into multiple affairs. Children's Mercy fired him for incompetence.
In nineteen sixty five, he becomes a lab tech at
Fountain Plaza. It's a smaller doctor's office at the Plaza

(18:28):
location here in Kansas City, which I'm sure Thomas and
I know. I don't know how familiar you are with
Kansas City, Sean, but a lot of these areas are
pretty well known. So like us two will know it.
You're like, nah, I got nothing. I don't want to
go visit there.

Speaker 2 (18:43):
Well, maybe if there's a comedy show.

Speaker 1 (18:45):
Right, Oh, it's coming, guys, it's coming. We'll talk about
it at the end of the show. So Doctor Wallace
Graham runs this practice. He was actually at one point
the personal physician of President Truman. In Late Night eighteen
sixty six, his coworkers alleged that he was in beezzling money.
Graham fires him and turns him in, claiming that he

(19:06):
stole over one hundred thousand dollars over the course of
a little over a year. He's sentenced to three years
in prison and court Nancy backed him up, saying he
was a great father and husband. So there's that, right, right,
She's like, I'm here for you, man, no matter what.
On probation Jr. Gets He gets out and is on

(19:28):
a three year probation and JR. Gets a job managing
a TV store. He gets fired a few months later
after stealing TVs does not get turned in nineteen sixty four,
four years into Kansas City now right system analysts for
Mobile Oil, another job that he forged. The resume and

(19:49):
all the documents on. Yeah, it's gonna this is nothing, guys,
this is I'm telling you this. We're only on page
two of eleven. It's gonna get a lot worse.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
I made object something here. He's like the Leon Leonardo
DiCaprio movie The Catch Me if you can guy, except
he fucking sucks.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
He's not trying to hide it, you know.

Speaker 2 (20:17):
You know, there's like the casulators. Anker in real life
was like able to muddle through it somehow because he
was smart. This g I was like, what do you
see on the X ray. Two years two years of
him going man.

Speaker 1 (20:31):
Man, did you see that line there? Something happened something.
Oh yeah, that's We're gonna have to look into that
right there. Uh So, within months of being at that company, Jr.
Is accused of stealing of stealing sixty two hundred stamps
valued at four hundred dollars. He's fired and charged and

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pays restitution. Jr. And Nancy moved back to Chicago. He
quickly gets a job as an insurance salesman at RB
Jones lies at the interview, but great first impression, so
they hired him on the spot. A few months later,
he gets fired after being caught stealing sixty five dollars

(21:16):
in cash. So he is on a roll. He is
on a rule. Hello everybody, I do see your messages,
but again, this is going to be a long show,
so I'm not going to talk too much. I appreciate
you guys hanging out. This is live. If you are
watching on TikTok, it is live. And everybody that's watching
on YouTube, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
He's also chief.

Speaker 1 (21:37):
He's a terrible sae. If he's he can't make it
a few months without you know, and.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
He gets caught. Yeah, no, he gets no paper trail going.

Speaker 1 (21:45):
Yeah, he gets fired. He gets fired for stealing, He
gets fired for womanizing and stealing, He gets and incompetence.
Then he gets fired for stealing. Now he's getting fired
for stealing again. Right, So everyone's.

Speaker 2 (22:01):
Just consistently good at well two things. Is bullshitting his
way into these jobs and then somehow convincing them not
to press charges. That's the only success I've seen with this.

Speaker 1 (22:11):
This he did serve, So I don't think he actually
fulled the or served the full three years either. I
just know that he got a three year probation on
the first round. Okay, but there are a few more.
He ends up avoiding jail this time by paying restitution,
and then he moves back to Kansas City because he
violated his probation in Kansas City, which is extended another

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three years, which at this point doesn't matter because it
just keeps getting extended and nothing's happening really.

Speaker 2 (22:39):
So.

Speaker 1 (22:41):
They moved to ray Town, where Jr. Opens a medical
consulting agency called Professional Services Association Inc. Or PSA, which
is a total bullshit fake agency. In nineteen seventy one,
a few weeks and to his wait hold at twenty seven,
he starts, oh god, damn it, hold on, I got

(23:02):
a little lot out of place here. So there are
gaps within the information of the PSA. So in nineteen
seventy one, a few weeks after the probation, he's twenty
seven and starts another investment scam to still thirty thousand
dollars from a retired school teacher, which fails, but he
does not get charged or arrested. He becomes a financial

(23:25):
consultant at University of Kansas Medical School and Family Practice Department.
Another bullshit resume, and then let's see over right here.

Speaker 2 (23:37):
Okay, here's my question. What JG where you're looking? I'll
ask our our co host here. Have you you've been
in position to hire people before? I assume, right? Yeah, okay,
so all right, both of you. All right, so I
have too. And you can literally smell bullshit coming off

(23:57):
of a resume. I would say, like ninety eight percent
of the time. Would you agree with that? Yes?

Speaker 1 (24:03):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:04):
Oh okay, so how are these people that are in
these institutions? And I agree, Back then, communication was not great.
We you know, cell phone was invented in what's seventy three,
and it didn't really hit the market major lane until
eighty five, you know, right, so communication went quite there.
But even the professionals in these places should have been

(24:26):
able to look at these resumes and go, this doesn't click.
But we haven't seen one example of that so far.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Right, Like, I'm well, there's no there's no track record.
If there's no track, right.

Speaker 4 (24:42):
I'll I've had certain scenarios where like, all right, for instance,
in college, I had a fake ID, right, and I
remember using the fake ID at this particular liquor store,
and I always went in there because I would always
like act, you know, this little certain sense of bravado
as I walk in with my fake ID and I
go up to the and I put a case down.
It's like acting like I'm pulling my genium my ID.

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And the guy at the counter would say, nope, you
got an honest face, and it's less than fifty bucks,
have a nice name, put me on my way there.
I am nineteen years old with thirty rac under my arm.

Speaker 3 (25:19):
So I mean, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (25:21):
Sometimes people are just like, hey, a sales a sale, right, right,
Like we needed to fill the position.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
You're here and let's go with it.

Speaker 5 (25:30):
Right, See, dude, I literally thought you're so wholesome seeming
that you were going to be like the kid from
the Breakfast Club is like, why did you need a
fake ID so I can vote?

Speaker 3 (25:42):
So I couldn't vote?

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Nope, Natty Ice baby.

Speaker 1 (25:48):
Hi, how are you said?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
Shoot?

Speaker 1 (25:49):
Even then, no one had one because of the costs.
Phones in the eighties early nineties were few and far between.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Well yeah with the phone, great point, girl.

Speaker 4 (25:58):
So like driver's licenses and identification cards didn't really even
have like photos on them, Like I don't know my
dad dug up, but my dad dug up like an
old driver's license and it was just like literally his
name on a piece of cardboard.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Yeah, all right, let's keep going, Let's keep going. Yeah,
I want to get through here, all right, No, you're good.
So he gets a he's a financial consultant at the
University of Kansas Medical School in the family practice department.
He gets fired months later for suspected theft. Approaches executive
director of Marion Labs Pharmaceuticals John Hartling asking to invest

(26:36):
in his fake company p s A, which he declines.

Speaker 3 (26:41):
J R.

Speaker 1 (26:42):
Somehow steals some of their stationary because he forges a
letter to himself saying they do want to invest, and
then send to potential investors with Hartlingk's forged signature. The
letter refers to the company founder, Ewing Kaufman, owner of
the Royal State. So he's getting he's now falsifying documents

(27:06):
for very well known, reputable people. Deep pockets, deep, deep pockets.
So this businessman Mac Gayhaul or g A H A
L L. Whatever that is, Ga Hall, We're going to
just say Hall. I guess. Uh. He invests twenty five
hundred dollars into this fake business and then calls Kaufman

(27:28):
himself to discuss his investment.

Speaker 3 (27:32):
Uh. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
Kaufman contacts the SEC, which is the Universe, the United
Security or something services about it. They send out an
investigator to look into the PSA company. Two years later, Jr.
Invests more companies in scams or invents more companies and scams.

(27:55):
Federal grand jury indicts him on fourcounts of false representation,
SEC security fraud and mail fraud. Six months later, in
nineteen seventy six, he pleads guilty to an interstate security fraud.
Serves no time, but it's fined twenty five hundred dollars
and his probation has extended another three years. Woooo, just

(28:21):
on a roll, man, I'm telling you what.

Speaker 3 (28:24):
It's amazing, honestly, and he does.

Speaker 1 (28:26):
The thing is that we're talking about the things that
he did that he did get caught for. He knows
the way he didn't get caught.

Speaker 2 (28:34):
Oh yeah, we'll find out. But here's the thing that's
frustrating about this so far. And there are many things,
but some of these jobs that he was able to
get into with his chitanery are jobs that, like you
could retire from with massive benefits, like working for a
college and everything. I mean, if he could bs his

(28:57):
way in and if he had just instead of focusing
on grift and everything else that he was trying to do,
just you know what, how about you just get up
and keep going to the job, because what happens is
if you do that, there's remuneration like once a week
or every two weeks, and you don't have to steal shit.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
Dummy, Right, But look he does like this last game
he did, he didn't have to pay any of it back. Yeah,
where's the where's he's not He's not like, oh, it's.

Speaker 4 (29:26):
Conning your way into this like every day grind, Like
this is just gonna spe it up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
You don't like when you crank up those little wine
backed cars and then you have to like the wheels
then you let it go. We're just we're just cranking
up right now. Okay, we haven't even released yet.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
I'm ready for her release.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
It's not that kind of show anyways. July nineteen seventy seven,
his family moves to Stanley, Kansas on three acres of
with a nine bedroom house, which he purchased for one
hundred and twenty five thousand dollars cold hard cash. Excellent, smart,
that's not that's not, you know, suspicious whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Mark.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Stanley is a very wealthy suburb in the Cansaid area.
I mean even today, it's one of the wealthiest suburbs
of Kansady, hands down. I lived out there at one
point with my dad on the weekends. Yeah. Yeah, even
if you lived in a one bedroom apartment in Stanley,
you still feel bougie, yeah.

Speaker 3 (30:33):
Because you are. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
The neighbors thought that he was a dedicated family man
and a successful entrepreneur. He gets elected to the lead
to lead the HOA teaches at a Presbyterian Church, referees
for a local for some loci volleyball games, and even
gets involved in his son's Eagle Scouts.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Jr.

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Starts another company called hydro Grow Incorporated. If it grows,
it grows better hydroponically, which which is clever. I claimed
he was a pioneer, caught after sought after consultant, lecture,
and author all false, None that's accurate. Neighbors said he
was rude when asked about his business. One investor lost

(31:15):
twenty five thousand dollars after investing in Jr's business, thinking
he would make a quick profit to help a sick wife.
He didn't make any money, and his wife died. His
wife died. Yeah, so there's the first of them. Ass
because it's only there's more.

Speaker 4 (31:34):
This.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Okay, So here's a point where I do want to
take a pause. Let's get your guys' thoughts for a minute,
because I mean we are four pages and now, so
we're like a third of the way through it or
less more than that. But people that are tuning in,
thank you guys. We got several of you on TikTok
and said were on here, they guess for hanging out.
But what is let's let's go left to right. Obviously
I've been reading it, but what you got Sean.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
Well, dude, okay, here's the thing. We've done plenty of
these singe, so I'm just waiting for the other shoe
to drop, you know, the eyeballs in a bag in
his basement or whatever it may be, because this almost
has like a dust till dawn feeling if you've ever
seen that movie where it's like, yeah, it's pretty bad upfront,

(32:17):
but you know, like not so bad in all sudden vampires, right,
And that's just so I'm kind of a bit holding
back my you know, emotion on this and getting invested
into his kind of con man bullshit, right because it
just seems like something's coming around the bend. And the

(32:38):
thing is too he looks like wholesome, you know, he
looks like somebody that was like in a nineteen forties
movie who's like if I please forgive me, you know,
like that, Yes, he just has that kind of wholesome liquid,
which probably helped him with all of his bullshit. But
you know, there's I don't know's It almost feels like

(33:03):
you can hear the piano wires over tightening as we're going,
because it is failure after failure after failure after failure
after failure, and something's got to give. So that's that's
where I'm at right now. I'm right a bit.

Speaker 1 (33:17):
And this this is the first I think this is
the first show where I haven't set it up to
where I jumped back and forth, because the timeline is
so messed up as you build it that it doesn't
need to be jumped back and forth because you're just
gonna be like like, you're gonna be like, I'm not surprised,
but what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (33:35):
Yeah, That's that's where I'm That's what I'm waiting for,
is the WTS.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
What do you got? Thomas?

Speaker 2 (33:41):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (33:41):
So, I guess two quick two quick things. So I
know I'm also an eagle scout and I know that
like what I bought into, like job interviews and things
like that, or just like you hear like your parents'
friends talking people who are in positions where they might
be hiring people and they always give you that like, well,
I see eagle scout in that resume goes right to

(34:03):
the top of the stack, like people have like this
weird like blind confidence in an eagle scout that's like
kind of like, I mean, yes, it is admirable that
you did something at us at a young age, but
at the same time, it's like, I don't know, just
this is not to hate on the Eagle Scouts respect,
but like I just feel like that's such a silly

(34:24):
perrequisite to like automatically hire somebody, you know.

Speaker 3 (34:28):
Ye.

Speaker 5 (34:31):
Street, I want to Eagle Scouts man.

Speaker 3 (34:38):
An e always an eagle to represent.

Speaker 4 (34:45):
Secondly, something not so savory, I guess, and I apologize
if she ends up watching this, But my sister was
had gotten herself in quite a bit of trouble. I
think she had like three mips at the same time,
but they were all in different counties and so like
none of them ever like talked to each other, so
they didn't know that she had like a prior in
another county, even though if it was like an adjacent county.

(35:06):
So like this has kind of giving me those kind
of vibes where.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
It's like he's not been there. He's kind of bouncing
all over to.

Speaker 4 (35:11):
Where like like like this dude's like a menace to
this city. But like but no, but nobody knows about
it because like, oh, he did it up in Jackson
County while also doing this in Douglas County, and this
guy was over here in Johnson County and like, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
It's like like nobody no.

Speaker 4 (35:31):
And also I have to remember like the timeframe of this,
like the time the time period of this was occurring.
Like everything everything is very analog. Everything is like pen
and paper. Everything is like printed on documents. This isn't
like the World Wide Web where you can just shoot
it across the world and you know, the blank of
an eye. So like, you know, people would leave their

(35:53):
wives and move ten miles away and start a whole
new life. Nobody ever knew they were gone. I mean,
nobody wouldn't know where they're at. So there's just like
this this web of things that I know that are
coming together into something spectacular.

Speaker 3 (36:09):
I shouldn't use that word, but I know it's going on.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
It is, it is. Yes, this is definitely like you're
gonna continue scooting to the edge of your seat. So
he ends up fabricating a publicity stunt claiming that he's
a benefactor of the City of Stanley and December eighth,
nineteen seventy seven, that's three days after my birthday. Just
Sobrady knows in case, in case, you want to putting
your calendars and you guys want to give me anything?

(36:32):
December fifth, thanks. So John Robinson is noticed in the
Kansas City Times as Man of the Year for working
on board of a workshop that employees disabled people. Totally false.
Newspaper receives tons of calls from people who have lost
money to this guy. So Jr. Is finally starting to

(36:54):
get some reputation as not the most positive person. The
Kansaity Times learns he made May's, made his own plaque,
promoted himself and organized his whole lunch and his own honor.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Hell yeah, good for him.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Then they exposed him in the papers for his scam.
At this point, Nancy starts getting suspicious. I don't know,
he's out womanizing. He's losing job after job after job.
They're balancing back and forth between cities, and now she's like,
you know what, something's going on here, guys.

Speaker 5 (37:26):
So the place has gone too far. The thirtieth move
nothing but the thirty first move. She's like, hold on
a second, dude, are you dense? No, that's willfully ignorant,
is what that is?

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Uh? Yeah, So she she threatens to divorce him, but
the kids beg her not to separate. So she stays, oh,
you should have fucking left.

Speaker 3 (37:52):
I mean this is on you.

Speaker 1 (37:54):
I mean it is I mean, out of respect.

Speaker 3 (37:57):
For your kids, you should have been wearing that right.

Speaker 1 (38:00):
I'm just saying, there's no there's no sympathy for her,
don't They don't understand. You should understand.

Speaker 2 (38:07):
So you know, there's this is that's what you get moment. Yes,
everything after this fact is like, lady, that's what you get.
Because even about what wait, what what year was this?
Nineteen seventy nine, nineteen seventy nine, Okay, so there's still
some vestiges of the divorce was bad. Don't leave your man,
you stick by him through thick and thin. Because they're

(38:27):
from that generation, I kind of get it. But even
this is just extreme, you know, at this point where
it's just like now you know the dude, fuck fuck
right all the way off.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
Yeah, but she also doesn't know, right, I'm assuming at
this point she doesn't know about anything terribly sinister sky.

Speaker 1 (38:50):
There's nothing, there's nothing that confirms she does or doesn't.
But there's also no sources that say she does. And
I would like to at this point, I would like
to say that she's she genuinely doesn't know, but there
will be a point when you guys are like, Okay,
there's no way should know.

Speaker 4 (39:05):
Is this my husband the provider and he's gonna do
his best to provide for his family and put food
on the table. But you know all that crap. So
but but there's only imagine that's her mindset.

Speaker 3 (39:16):
You know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
But you also just and I know we've got five
hundred pages to get through, but just dude, your intuition,
all right, And I'm talking to JG and Thomas right now,
all right, and well even our listeners. Everybody. Everybody's got
gut instinct, everybody's got intuition. Everybody's in like, if your

(39:40):
person is consistently out there just doing dirt, there's something
the energy is off, you know. And see unless this
woman was just completely dense or was just doing that
thing where and oh my god, I remember a South

(40:02):
Park episode where they thought that Stan was like murdering
people and put in the backyard and the mom would
come up and clean up the bodies and like everything's okay,
everything's good.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Good.

Speaker 2 (40:13):
That's what those feels like, where she's just like such
a good boy.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Hey, hi, how are you? I totally agree with your comment,
by the way, you know.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
Yeah, I mean, I'm gonna read it real quick, and
you need to respond. Please remember, as a woman in
certain positions, it's terribly difficult, and abuse even happens because
of that, and people endured as well. That's how difficult
I actually, I go ahead and talk. I'll say something.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
But you finished, Thomas, Well, okay, Well, I don't know.
I may have mentioned this in a couple of previous episodes,
but I do. I got my master's in social work.
This is something I care quite a bit about. Like,
this is something that I'm very serious about. But in
this particular scenario where we're talking about this guy and
this is what we're making light of things, this is

(40:58):
supposed to be a little bit lighthearted, So please don't
mistake any of my jokes for something that I'm not
sensitive of the subject.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
So I totally agree with you.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
So right, I came and I came from that experience
as a child, not only witnessing but enduring, so I
also get it. But even as a kid, and again
I can't speak for my mother, but after seven years
of it, I feel like there was a point where

(41:31):
she should have been like, okay, that they can't be
in this situation. And I do understand. Again, I get
what you're saying. And I can't even pretend to understand
what her mind was going through at the time, because
I don't have no idea. But as as a twelve
year old kid living in that situation, right, I knew

(41:53):
something wasn't right, you know what I mean? Right, And
if I'm at this developing point in my mental state
to where I'm you know, I'm growing as a as
a youth. And I don't want to take a pause
on what we're talking about because we have a lot
to get through, but this does need light brought to it.
And I do think that as a kid at twelve
years old, my mind's developing. I'm starting to remember a

(42:15):
lot of stuff. This was a crucial time, and I
do remember it not being right, you know, And then
when she left, it just made it that much. At
the point when she did finally leave, I felt like
it was past past whatever that timeframe was. But that
was just me me as the kid, you know, Yeah, that's.

Speaker 4 (42:33):
Yeah, well yeah, man, Well, I feel like they're probably
still at that age where like when you're like a
kid and you think that your parents can do no wrong.
They're like not not fallible, they cannot make mistakes. They're
the end all, know all everything about it. It's not
say I feel like for me at least, it wasn't
until I was quite a bit older where I started
seeing like poking little holes and like and seeing that, like,

(42:54):
my parents are actually like human at that that they
do mike stakes, they are wrong about things.

Speaker 3 (43:01):
But when you're a kid, you're so impressionable.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
And then like with a you know, a strong a
strong mother who's just trying to keep her family together
and make sure that her kids are having as normal
life as possible, and that everything just stays status quo,
like what a what a weight to carry too, But
you gotta sometimes you sacrifice yourself for what your kids,
what your kids will endure, you.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Know, right, and you know you don't need to feel sorry.
It wasn't it's not you. I don't and I do
appreciate the apology, but I never want somebody to apologize
for something that they have no control.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
Over, right.

Speaker 1 (43:33):
I get that it's more of like a sympathetic kind
of approach, but at the same point, I don't think
it's necessary, Like if you weren't the one that's involved,
Like just having that ear or the understanding that you
know it happened is enough of a respect that I
don't think it's necessary to add the sorry, like I

(43:56):
feel like you guys are, but I don't think it's necessary.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
Yeah's the thing though, I'm not going to take up for,
you know, somebody just because they're wearing the armor of
a sympathetic character. Right, I'm sorry. I'm just not going
to do it because you have no idea how complicit
this person is.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
You know.

Speaker 2 (44:14):
And I not that I disagree with the point that
was brought up by our viewer. You know, I appreciate,
you know, sharing of thoughts and the meeting of minds,
and you know, of course domestic abuse is terrible, you know,
and terrible things can come from it. We're all broken
little toys, you know, I think. But we don't know

(44:35):
this person or what the situation is. We are just
giving given like basically this this skeletal frame of what
had happened, and just because again, as I said, wearing
the armor of a sympathetic character. Oh the mother, it's
a female. She's trying to hold the family together. You know,
back then, I'm not doing that because she might not

(44:56):
have been a good guy.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Well even even she does say that at that point,
you have to stand up for the kid, you know,
for the kids.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Yeah, so it's like, you know, let's not just you know,
get onto these hills and stay up flags into the
ground because of surface level considerations. There's a lot more
going on, right.

Speaker 1 (45:21):
Sure, right, Yeah, No, I really appreciate you putting in
your comments, and I, of course we always like to
include you guys in this, so thank you so much
for hanging out with us. High. She's been a great
supporter of me. Actually on TikTok. She's watching on both
platforms right now. So in nineteen eighty, he gets hired

(45:41):
by Guys Snack Food, which if any of you know
what Guy's potato chips are, they're located here in Kansas City.

Speaker 2 (45:48):
No, that's right.

Speaker 1 (45:49):
Yeah, he gets employed as the employee relations manager. Okay,
the employer says he is good with people and intelligent,
starts affair with secretary immediately as well as starts stealing money.

(46:09):
He rents an apartment with that money in Alaka, Kansas
to take his women, because remember he's a womanizer. This
whole time, all this is going on, he's still out there.
He's he's leaving Nancy at home, he's going and hooking
up and doing his thing. Now he's got his own place,
specifically for that off the money he's stealing from companies.
What do you got?

Speaker 2 (46:29):
Can I ask a question of our viewers, both men
and women? Is he a good looking guy?

Speaker 4 (46:34):
Like?

Speaker 2 (46:34):
I have no opinion on it.

Speaker 1 (46:36):
I think, you know, even as a as a straight man,
I guess he's I don't see. I don't think he's
like damn, I can see why people want him. But
you know, but he he legitimately looks like a decent businessman.
I mean, he doesn't look odd.

Speaker 4 (46:52):
Kind of a moon face fell. He looks like he's
an aging bear on the on the right side.

Speaker 2 (46:59):
So I like that description. Okay what ugly? Not just
not my type? Okay, all right, Well, I just I
didn't know because he's womanizer, womanizer, you know.

Speaker 1 (47:14):
So he's out I mean, he's out there, he's out
there pulling women.

Speaker 2 (47:18):
He's ship That's what I'm thinking.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
I mean, if if he's getting these decent jobs and
fucking him up and then getting another decent job after
another decent job. There's got to be something in there
that goes it, says Papa on the right. She said,
that's good, but he he has to feel like he's

(47:42):
unstoppable at a point, Yeah, she said, she said he
could pull a few slick ones. Okay, That's where I'm at.
I'm like, if he if he came home, if I
saw him walk out of the club with a decent
looking woman, I wouldn't be surprised. Like you see those
couples every now and then they're like what Like, Yeah,
I wouldn't be surprised if he did that.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Wow works at the time. Excuse me while I whip
this out.

Speaker 5 (48:15):
I know you forget he talks like this, Hey fat it.

Speaker 3 (48:21):
All right.

Speaker 1 (48:21):
So within just a few months he stals tens of
thousands of dollars, Oh my god, and the secretary falls
madly in love with him. She threatens to turn him
in if he doesn't leave his wife and marry her,
which he doesn't, and she turns him in. A guy's
company presses felony theft charges against him, which she ends
up paying back fifty thousand dollars. He faces seven years

(48:45):
in prison and only serves sixty days, and then his
probation has extended five years. Okay, I'm sorry, guys, we're
still only on page three. I'm sorry this is gonna
be lost, but I'm trying. I'm trying. Nancy and Jr.
Start seeing his marriage counselor because she's starting to have

(49:07):
her doubts again for a second time, and the marriage
counselor ends up convincing her to stay right.

Speaker 5 (49:16):
Yeah, j that happened, because I really thought you were
gonna say he started sleeping with a counselor.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
More.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
No, there's no more. So let's see. He starts another
company called star Equaplus as a managing consultant service.

Speaker 3 (49:41):
JR.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Rents a sweet first company that doesn't exist backcare systems.
A local company hires Equiplus to create marketing planform. Equo
Plus starts receiving extremely high invoices without receiving anything. The
CEO hires a private investigator to gather information, then goes
to the County DA, which launches another investigation. JR. Lawyers

(50:05):
up and is told to obtain Affi Davids from his customers,
which he then forged. Many and Affi Davids. The investigation
takes several years. He starts another consulting service called equa
plus two. Oh, just equa two. Sorry, there's no plus
at time. It's just equa two plus.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
It's not the same at all, equa.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Two, equa plus equa two whatever, it's just equa two.
I guess that sounds better than plus plus two. Makes
it sound like there's another company or another person. Well,
I guess there's another company.

Speaker 4 (50:42):
I have no shortage of an excellent company extra pluses.

Speaker 1 (50:46):
He rents a He rents a duplex off of Truce
Avenue for the office. I want to take a moment, Thomas,
What do you know about Trust Avenue?

Speaker 3 (50:55):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (50:56):
So, I know there's like some history behind it. I
feel like it's kind of a dividing line. But then
also it depends on where you're at in the city.
But a lot of times the street truce can be
synonymous with crime, poverty, a scary place to be, somewhere
you don't want to be at night, things like that.

(51:17):
Where I live, I am north of the river, Trust
is pretty pleasant.

Speaker 2 (51:21):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
You know, it's just a continuation of my street. If
I go down the road, it just turns into truth.

Speaker 4 (51:26):
So certain parts of the city it has a pretty
serious connotation.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
Where well, you're gonna find out which to be there? Yes, yes,
she said, I'm starting a consulting company, and I don't
know jack shit about it. I just know I could
bullshit it.

Speaker 2 (51:44):
Yeah, if you can do it, you can do it.

Speaker 1 (51:49):
It grows hydroponically.

Speaker 3 (51:51):
Why not me, It's gonna be my time, all right.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
So he starts in Equa two plus off of Truce
Avenue and turns a duplex. He rents a part of
a duplex and turns it into instead of an office
he turned. He hires a sex worker to run a
profitable bordello, which quickly gains reputation as a hardcore BDSM location.
Right now, now, now is where we're releasing the car.

(52:20):
Remember that car, the figurative car. Now we've just released
that vehicle.

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Thack baby, trying to let your freak flag fought, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
So, in the summer of nineteen eighty four, Ji Jr.
Hires nineteen year old Paula Godfrey. She's excited to work
for a legitimate businessman. He tells her that she would
be enrolled in clerical training program in San Antonio, Paula
goes missing September one, nineteen sixty four. All right, I
said missing? I said missing. After JR. Picks her up

(52:58):
from her parents' house and takes her to the airport,
She's supposed to call her parents that evening to let
her know that she arrived. She never does, so her
father goes to San Antonio to find out that she
never actually checked into her hotel and flies back to
Kansas City that's next day to confront JR. He acts worried,

(53:19):
and her dad threatens he acts worried about her like
he had He doesn't know he dropped her off, you
know whatever, and the dad threatens that there will be
trouble if he doesn't hear from her within a few days.
The next day, he receives a letter in the mail,
handwritten from Paula saying that she's doing fine, grateful to JR.

(53:39):
For the opportunity, and she doesn't want to see her
family for a while. Interesting. The letter had profanity, which
was unlike her. Her father didn't recognize the signature, so
he turns it into the Overland Park Police, which conclude
that the note was legit because well, first off, she's

(54:01):
of age and there's no evidence that she was actually
that anything happened to her. You know, she's nineteen December eighteenth,
nineteen eighty four, private or po. Stephen Hayines receives a
call from Anne Smith, who works for a nonprofit called
Birthright the Council's Young Single Mothers in need of support

(54:24):
and says that Jr. Has been calling to inquire for
single mothers for his organation called organization called Kansasity Outreach,
providing six months job training, housing and other assistants to
single moms. Yeah. So it's going to keep digging. Do
you guys want to say anything before I continue? Or
should I just keep going?

Speaker 4 (54:45):
I mean, we got a lot to get through, but
it's starting to get real juicy.

Speaker 1 (54:49):
Yeah, oh you guys, Sean, you agreed, agreed.

Speaker 2 (54:53):
It's dude. It was all fun and games and we're
having lots of laughs until the girl goes missing in
every all. Well, I know, Thomas and I are just like, okay,
let the shoe drop, right.

Speaker 1 (55:04):
Yeah, okay. So he says that his company companies like
Xerox and IBM have been investing into his organization and
he was wanting Birthright to refer candidates to him, and
she asked if that whenever she would call, he would
always ask if they were white or black. She was

(55:25):
worried because he would only be interested in the white
ones because she said that during that well, apparently during
this time, white babies and I again, this is explicit,
it's gonna get worse and I'm gonna watch how I
phrase it for TikTok. But apparently white babies sell for
more on the on the black market. So she's worried

(55:49):
because she's thinking, she's thinking, yeah, she's thinking that you
know that this is what he's into, and I'm not.
He could have been. He could have been. He definitely
could have been. So Hames. Officer Hames took info to
the local judge, John Hudgerson, who asks him to look
into the case or into this. There is another young

(56:13):
girl named Lisa that meets Jr. In nineteen eighty five.
She knows him as John Osborne. He tells her that
he runs. He tells, what what do you got, Sean?

Speaker 2 (56:25):
No, like one of my good it's not the same
guy everybody, okay, but one of my good buddies that
lives up here in this region where I'm at is
a very talented headliner named John Osborne.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
Is he in his late eighties?

Speaker 2 (56:38):
No, no, that's what I'm saying. Not the same dude,
but it just hearing the name, like, oh shit, nope, nope, nod.

Speaker 3 (56:44):
Dude Osbourne's real name.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
So right, yeah, rip right rip shout out to him. Uh.
So he tells her that he runs Equal two, promises
her a job in Texas making eighteen hundred dollars a month,
and what help her get her diploma? So JR takes
Lisa and I guess she has a baby. So okay,

(57:07):
sorry I missed the spot. My apologies. There's a Truman
Medical Center, which are you familiar with that, Thomas.

Speaker 3 (57:15):
Yeah, you don't really want to go there.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
No, they actually Wreckuld refer her to John Osborn, so
this is a medical company. Refers Lisa and her baby,
her nineteen year old Lisa and her baby to j R. Great. Great,
Now we got these big organizations sending kids feet and
directly to him. So JR. Takes Lisa and her baby

(57:40):
and he puts them up in roadway in in Obland Park,
which roadway in will be his pretty much motel of
choice throughout this show. Near equad near the office for
the company. January ninth, she visits her sister in law,
Kathy Klingon Smith during a blow Lisa calls the motel

(58:02):
to check her messages and finds out that JR. Was
looking for so she gives Kathy's number to the motel.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
And JR.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
Calls Kathy says he's coming right over to a Lisa
and the baby. He parks down the street. He doesn't
even pull into her dryway or up to her house,
he just parks down the street. She lets him in
and he doesn't even acknowledge that Kathy's there. He's immediately
invested in Lisa and the baby and getting them out
of the house. Kathy is trying to convince Lisa not

(58:33):
to go because she's like, this guy's there's something off
about this guy, but she goes anyways. Lisa then calls
Kathy's who's back at the hotel, to tell and her
mother in law, Betty answers, I'm sorry, guys. I know
there's a lot of ums and ohs, but there's a lot
to read here. Lisa's crying and says that she was

(58:54):
forced to sign four papers or else she would lose
her baby. Betty tells her to quit signing any documents,
and Lisa quickly ends a call saying that she has
to go there here. The cleaning smiths call Oval and
Park Police, who go to the motel and Lisa and
baby are gone, checked out of the hotel and paid
by Equa tu. Kathy and her husband David go to

(59:17):
EQUA two office, where David confronts Jr. Who asked about
Lisa and baby. Jr. Responds angrily for David, thinking he
did anything to them, and pushes David out of the office. Later,
David receives a call from Father Martin at City Union Mission,
stating that Lisa and the baby are finding Jr. Is
a good guy. Jay. Later on, David tries so. A

(59:41):
couple of days later, David tries reaching out to the
City Union to talk to Father Martin again and no
one by that name has ever worked there talking Yeah,
of course, Jr. Wait what did I do? Okay?

Speaker 4 (01:00:05):
You guys ever put references on like her resume and
you just like just you just put all your friends'
names down, friend's numbers, just like, Yeah, this was my
boss and it's just like your buddy you grew up with.

Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, a great guy.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
So so Jr. Ends up bringing a baby home to
Nancy with no explanation, and she doesn't ask, she doesn't
ask any questions. Put it back, he states that he
paid four k from a private adoption agency, and his

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brother Don and his wife Helen are flying in the
next stage to take custy with the child in nineteen
eighty three. So we're jumping back just a little bit here.
But in nineteen eighty three, Don had told his brother
they had been trying to adopt since they were infertile,
but it was difficult and was asking his brother for help.
So Jr. At this point picks him up from the airport,
telling them how art it had been for him working

(01:01:01):
with the lawyers to get all the documents, which then
he hands over some documents in a Firth certificate, all forced,
they're all forged to me, and then he drives him
back to the Equato office where his brother Don signs
a three or signs over a three thousand dollars check. Jr.
Said that the baby's mom died of suicide, so Lisa

(01:01:21):
is now missing. This baby randomly appears at their house,
which he gives to Don and them, and uh, yeah, yeah,
I'm sure you guys can see what happened here without
me saying anything. Hames so po off the pro officer, Haines,
is it probation officer or pspo off? Okay? John Hams

(01:01:48):
sends a letter to JR. Demanding that he comes to
see him in the office, and JR ignores it. He
sends a second letter saying that he must come in
by January twenty fourth. At this point, JR does come in,
and he says him and five business owners were actually
trying to help single moms. He ensures that Lisa and
the baby are totally okay. Hames is obviously suspicious because

(01:02:12):
JR will not give him get him in touch with him.
Hames finds relative from relatives that some type letters were
sent to Betty. So that's the mother in law of Kathy,
her sister in law something like that. I don't know,
it's processes. It's a relative, the one that answered the

(01:02:32):
phone this when she called back to Kathy's house. Okay,
she's she's what was it Houan j Sorry?

Speaker 2 (01:02:41):
Sorry?

Speaker 1 (01:02:43):
So the type letter was sent to Betty stating that
she appreciated the help, but they have decided to leave
Kansas City. This was a red flag because it didn't
sound like her and she also didn't know how to type.
January thirtieth of nineteen eighty five, officer goes to Jr's
demanding contact for Lisa, which JR. States, a man named

(01:03:04):
Bill left with him just a few days ago and
they went to Colorado. But would you know it, there's
there's no contact information. FBI launches a sting operation, having
a female agent go undercover as a sex worker to
try and catch JR. To scroll down, Hold on, hold on,

(01:03:25):
rolling down, she makes contact. He says he runs a
business employing call girls making up to three thousand dollars
a month if willing to travel, and she must be
willing to submit to hardcore BDSM. She says she's willing
to do it, but she's pulled from the from the
investigation for worry that she might get hurt, which was
a smart move on there end I opinion. No rest

(01:03:47):
was made because they wanted to bust him for something
more serious. March twenty first, nineteen eighty five, JR.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
Probation a six Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Another true probation or parole? Is she high says, yes, yeah,
you're correct. In nineteen wait, hold. On March twenty first,
nineteen eighty five, Jr. Is arrested when reporting to a
po for financial dwindling. He quickly makes bail several hours later.

(01:04:19):
So a little jump back in nineteen eighty four, Teresa
Williams met Jr. So this does jump a little bit
back and forth in the timeline as far as when
he meets people, because some of this stuff does overlap,
so keep that in mind. So Teresa Williams meets Jr.
Who offers her money to move in to move into

(01:04:42):
the Truth Duplex and is forced into sex work. He
once paid her twelve hundred dollars to go to a
wealthy man's mansion where he tied her to a rack
and stretched her until she screamed in pain. Where he
released her, but he was pissed off because she couldn't
endure the pain. Jr. Then orders her to return the money. Yeah,

(01:05:05):
in May of nineteen eighty five, Jr. Enters the duplex
while Teresa's still leaving there. So now we're back to
the present, right, So where Teresa was sleeping, he grabs
her and throws her on the over his knees and
begins spanking her. She starts screaming, so he throws her
to the ground and inserts a gun into her. I'm
gonna say into her because I don't want to cross

(01:05:25):
any boundaries. But I'm sure you guys can it's not
good that into her part is not relating to a
good place, but that is that is what happened. And
he says, I bet you've never had a blowout, and
then leaves the duplex. In June seventh, two federal agents

(01:05:49):
make a visit to the duplex and speak to Teresa,
who lies and says she does data processing frequito. The
agents told her they believe two women involved with Jr's
business were missing and possibly ext and that she might
be his next victim. At this point, Teresa opens up. JR.

(01:06:09):
Had pulled all of her property into a storage unit
during this time. He shows up while the agents are there.
The agents introduce themselves, and he quickly had somewhere to
be in leaves.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
Shocking.

Speaker 1 (01:06:23):
Shocking. All right, hey guys, we're almost on page six.
We're almost on page six, all right, So Teresa goes
into FBI custody. At this point, JR. Quickly hires a
PI to track her down. She moves three times, and
when the PI actually reached it makes contact with her.
The FBI interpret the call or intercept the call and

(01:06:44):
move her out of state. Go FBI. Whoo woo woo yep.

Speaker 3 (01:06:51):
So.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
In August of nineteen eighty five, Jr. Is sentenced to
seven years in prison, but is allowed to remain free
pinning his appeal. Yeah January of nineteen eighty six of Jr.
Is found guilty for submitting thirty six hundred dollars in
false billing. Also charged with fifty thousand dollars for being
middle man for a condo Celle in Arizona, collected one

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hundred and fifty k from a buyer and only gave
one hundred to the owner. He's sentenced to five to
fourteen years, but again he is still waiting appeal on
the original charge. This last one and then we'll take
a little chat break, because that'll be halfway. January nineteen
eighty seven is still waiting to begin sentenced. A young

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woman at the age of twenty seven years old, Katherine
comes to Casey to stay with her brother. She gets
a job with Equa tu Her brother starts seeing her
less and less. Catherine was supposed to have a meeting
with JR June fifteenth, and disappears after a week. She
has reported missing and she has never been found. All right,
so let's take a little pause here. What are we thinking?

(01:07:56):
What are our thoughts, whether it's the chat or you
eyes up in the panel.

Speaker 3 (01:08:01):
Yeah, it's wild, dude.

Speaker 4 (01:08:04):
I like so like I'm trying to decide if if
this guy's in panic mode or if you just as
cool as cucumber this entire time. You know, like you
see like in movies and stuff where like everybody is
just like like things are starting to break down, you know,
and you start making panic moves and you start trying
and that's when he really starts slipping Or is this

(01:08:26):
is this or is just like a big fat game?

Speaker 3 (01:08:28):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:08:29):
There's a point where I'm like, I, how does how
is he juggling all this?

Speaker 4 (01:08:33):
He's leaving a little east eggs along the way like
it's all part of the play in the first place,
and it's just like fun for him. You know, I
don't know, but uh, I mean, I mean this in
the best slash worst possible way.

Speaker 3 (01:08:47):
But this is impressive, man, it is impressive.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
What do you go Sean now it's I agree with,
how the hell do you have that much energy? Like
I look, I I currently have four job all right,
and uh it's I'm seven days a week and I'm
exhausted like constantly from all the stuff that I do.
And this guy is making me tired because yeah, well

(01:09:16):
it is.

Speaker 1 (01:09:17):
A hard enough time reading it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:19):
Well he's juggling all this stuff on top of murder.
Like this guy just needs to die, and the fact
that they keep getting it's just like, you know, and
I'm sure they had nothing to hold him on. So
that's you know, like he shows up, the FBI agents
are there and he's like, oh, I've got I've got
a ham in the oven, and they're just like, okay,
have a nice life, you know.

Speaker 4 (01:09:40):
Well it's also I'm wondering if they're sitting there going like, oh,
that happened in Kansas City. Well we're op so it
doesn't really matter. Okay that was up north. Okay, well
that's not really our jurisdiction, so you'll have to deal
with that at a later date. So like it's like
they're taking pieces one thing at a time, like based
on geography, and they.

Speaker 1 (01:09:57):
Just Dave, I do want you to know. Sorry, sorry,
he cuts you off, Thomas, she says on TikTok, how
is he still out of jail? At this point? I agreed,
whether there's an appeal pending, if you're adding charges booth
that dude while you're waiting on the appeal. You know, Arria,
what are you guys doing?

Speaker 2 (01:10:16):
They had so many opportunities, so many opportunities to do
something with this guy, and it was just more parole,
more or probation whatever. You know, It's just they kept
kicking the can down the road. And I would love
to know why. So did they just keep extending and
doing and oh, well he's out on appeal and no,

(01:10:38):
there's this, no, they're this reasons like, nah, this guy's
obviously a piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
You know, it's clear, it's very clear. So let's keep going,
all right. Summer in nineteen eighty seven, j R. Goes
a prison Nancy, not being able to afford the property sales,
they're probably they sell that. She sells their property in
nineteen eighty eight, and that's also my birth year, everybody,
just so you know, it's my birth year, nineteen eighty eight,

(01:11:02):
and moves into an apartment in Stanley, Jr. Starts complaining
about back pain pretty quickly and actually suffers several strokes,
which caused his a slight slack to the right set
of his face, but his vocabulary and his physical abilities
are still strong. Unfortunately. He starts a computer training program

(01:11:27):
while he's in prison and writes software saving the prison
one hundred thousand dollars a year. Yeah, what a nice guy.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
Yeah, good guy.

Speaker 2 (01:11:38):
What's the malware that he's got in the background stealing money?

Speaker 1 (01:11:42):
Right now?

Speaker 3 (01:11:43):
It's giving shaft.

Speaker 1 (01:11:48):
That's good. Okay. So Jr. Argues his health problems were
life threatening and he should be released. In May of
nineteen ninety one, he writes a letter saying his illnesses
are degenerative and without long term treatment, will continue to
get worse. Doctor William Bonner examines Jr. Who says he
is not as sick as he claims. Thank you, Doctor

(01:12:11):
William Bonner for acknowledging that the Missouri board orders him
to continue serving the additional two years of a sentence.
At the Western Missouri Correctional Center in Cameron, Missouri, Jr.
Runs into forty nine year old Beverly Bonner. That's Bonner,
that's the wife of doctor William Bonner. Okay, I'm sure

(01:12:35):
you guys could probably see where this is going. Who
works in the prison library. They previously worked together at
Mobile Oil, you remember, back in the day, and they
quickly start having an affair.

Speaker 2 (01:12:50):
I knew it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
For a forty nine year old.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
Gets released in the summer of nineteen ninety three, but
continues to with Beverly. He says he needs a business partner,
so she starts divorce papers, and in February of nineteen
ninety four there finalized and she is now president of
the company Hydro Grow and James Turner is a secretary,
which is an alias. So I told you guys, it

(01:13:22):
gets better. Jr. Asked Beverly to sign some blank sheets
of paper so that when she is overseas for work,
he can write letters to her family.

Speaker 3 (01:13:30):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (01:13:31):
Oh, what a swell guy. I didn't. I didn't really
couldn't send letters oversea.

Speaker 3 (01:13:35):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
No, no, dude, Okay, back to his I didn't even
remember his original wife's name at this point. Nancy, Nancy, Nancy,
for God's sake, to Thomas, Yes, if anybody came to
you and said, hey, Tom, would you sign these blank
put your signature on these blanks because I want to

(01:13:58):
send letters to your loved ones.

Speaker 3 (01:14:00):
What a terrible, terrible idea. Thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:14:07):
It's like just like signing a couple of checks. Just like,
let me just sign a couple of these checks. You
just have them. You know, if you need anything, you
know what to do with them.

Speaker 3 (01:14:16):
Right. I know you're a stranger, that's all right, what.

Speaker 2 (01:14:19):
Does power of attorney? Don't don't worry about that.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
Just just sign, just sign. It's a blank sheet, you
don't you don't even know what it's for. It's the deal.
I'm gonna I'm gonna write the message. It's fine. You
can trust me.

Speaker 2 (01:14:32):
Yeah, yeah. Every time you say ship, no, no.

Speaker 1 (01:14:39):
Reason, don't you trust me? Why why are you even
questioning me? Right now? Just just sign it, it's all
I'm asking.

Speaker 2 (01:14:46):
Oh my god, all right, anyway, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:48):
So soon her family starts receiving letters about how much
fun she's having. Uh. Before she left, he rented a
storage locker and is seen rolling a metal barrel into the.

Speaker 2 (01:14:59):
Stor Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (01:15:03):
Beverly's family never sees her again after leaving in nineteen
ninety four. In nineteen ninety five, her son passes and
she does not return for his funeral, but her mom
continues receiving letters until nineteen ninety seven. That makes sense, Yeah,
that makes sense. Yeah, the time frame is perfect, right, Yeah,
that's how I feel about I feel like she was. Oh,

(01:15:26):
for sure, that's a fantastic idea.

Speaker 2 (01:15:32):
But yeah that was back to the dude's energy expenditures
writing letters, continuing to write letters, Like there are so
many times in the middle of a day I'll forget,
Like I'll walk into a room not remember why I
was going in there. But this guy is like, oh,
I've got to write a letter to this metal drum
chicks mom. You know, he must have had an amazing

(01:15:56):
Excel spreadsheet, you know, of just shit that he had
to do to keep.

Speaker 1 (01:16:00):
Up he just got. Yeah, I just see him have
like an old or like first stages of Microsoft, just spreadsheet,
like an Excel whatever the very first model was. You're
like creating like you know, uh, equations what not equations?
What are they called? When they plug? And like the

(01:16:22):
algorithm algorithm whatever. Anyways, and he's order typing away, trying
to hide his numbers.

Speaker 4 (01:16:30):
One of those giant calendars that like your mom had
in the kitchens like.

Speaker 3 (01:16:37):
Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:16:40):
The red line on that means, oh, that's that's murder.

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
Watch it, watch it good. I didn't get anything. I
don't any notice. We're fine, but I'm surprised we haven't
had to notice shit, to be honest. So since Beverly's
the war, she had letters forward to a po box
at the mail room in a late Kansas. Her ex
sent a total of eighteen one thousand dollars payments settlement

(01:17:07):
checks to Beverly every month after the divorce, and they
were all deposited by Jr. And the same year that
Bethany disappeared in nineteen ninety four. Two more women will
become in contact with JR. Forty nine year old Sheila
Faith and her sixteen year old physically disabled daughter Debbie,
after the death of Sorry. After the ena liiving of

(01:17:28):
Debbie's dad in nineteen ninety one, she became the sole
provider and they lived off of sixteen hundred dollars a month.
Debbie had cerebral palsy and spina bifida, so tough Chili
use online chat rooms to find romance until she starts
a relationship with a farmer named John that lives in
Kansas or maybe even Missouri. As they start talking on

(01:17:49):
the phone, Sheila decides she wants to meet John in
the summer of nineteen ninety four because they'd already planned
a trip to Texas. One day during the trip there
in Colorado and John just shows up.

Speaker 3 (01:18:07):
It's amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
We're gonna wait a second for John to come back.
But oh, I'm here, all right.

Speaker 2 (01:18:13):
All this is give me upset stomach. I had to
get some tombs, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:18:18):
So you heard what I said about him showing.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
Up at Yes? Okay, yes, okay uh.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
And he ends up taking them to Kansas City and
they're never seen from again. Before they left for the
road trip, Sheila asked her neighbors to check her mail,
which included the sixteen hundred dollars disability checks, but the
next the mail stops showing up. Sheila's mail was being
forwarded to a PO box in Awaitha, Kansas, of course,

(01:18:46):
where j R. Will end up picking up all one
and fifty two checks. It was over eighty thousand dollars.
Sheila's brother starts getting typed letters from her, saying that
her and Debbie are fine. He buys his we in
end of nineteen ninety five, Jr. Turned fifty two. His

(01:19:07):
oldest son has a kid, so he's now grandpa. He
buys his son a ninety five thousand dollars two bedroom
ranch in Florida. Nancy and Jr. Moved to Santa Barbara
Trailer Park in Aalitha, where Nancy becomes a manager of
the whole park. Jr. Starts Specialty Publications, which publishes free
magazines that rely on advertisements to make money. During the day, Jr.

(01:19:31):
Was on computers and chat rooms, mostly B DSM related,
searching for new victims. Okay, so during this timeframe, anybody
that is young will not remember AOL or AIM, but
this time frame, right, so this is the end of
ninety five, so internets in the face, it's out there,

(01:19:52):
but there is AOL dial up. There's a lot of
these chatrooms starting to come out, and I do remember
AIM of being a thing around this timeframe, and they
did have chat rooms that you could go into to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
To people totally totally unregulated.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Oh my gosh today. Yeah, yeah, I remember being like
eleven and like being in there and on the computer
late at night with my cousins and we'd like just
be giggling about some of the names of the chat rooms.

Speaker 4 (01:20:24):
Oh yeah, well, and then you'd like try and get
away with just saying like absurd shit people.

Speaker 1 (01:20:28):
Yeah, and you not even knowing what it actually meant.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
Yeah, No, not at all at all. Do you guys?

Speaker 4 (01:20:33):
Remember there was like the acronym ASL. Yeah, it stood
for age Sex Location, and people would just throw that
out there, Hey, stranger from wherever you are.

Speaker 3 (01:20:44):
Like to get to know you ASL.

Speaker 4 (01:20:46):
You're like, oh, I'm ten years old and I'm a
little boy, and.

Speaker 2 (01:20:53):
So began later it's funny yeah, or or I'm a
fourteen year old teenage girl just at home alone. My
parents are gone for the weekend.

Speaker 3 (01:21:06):
We're going to party.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
Mm hmm. Most of the chat room days and our
BDS and related searching for new victims. Let me scroll,
Let me scroll. Hey, we're on page We're halfway through
seven guys. JR. Finds an ad on the wild Side
section of the Pitch Weekly, from which, if you're not
familiar pitches, it was like it used to be called

(01:21:29):
the Penny Pitch, which was like a free weekly newspaper,
and you could go remember like those like the strip malls,
and they'd have like the little stands with newspaper things.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
Yeah it's still like a little local paper with like
local goings on and.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
Yeah yeah, okay, yeah, so everybody's familiar, so let's see here.
So he meets, he finds. He finds Alicia, and her
post says SBF which is a single black female looking

(01:22:07):
for mature male to take care of her, and I'll
take care of you. JR. Tells her that he's married,
but they don't have you know, they don't get it on,
and he would pay her two thousand dollars a month
to have you know, stuff, to get it on whenever
he wants and allow him to do whatever he wants,

(01:22:27):
and she agrees. In the fall of nineteen ninety eight,
Alicia wants JR. To get her a job in entertainment.
He says that he needs documentation with her social Security
number and signature to help excuse me. She gives up
her apartment when he says he would hire her travel
overseas for his business after he gives her a social

(01:22:49):
security and signature. That's a real smart move. Alicia becomes
frustrated when he continues to change departure dates because she's
ready to go. She wants to go overseas, like you promised.

Speaker 2 (01:23:02):
I have a question. Sure, how do we just rando?
All of a sudden, she's like, I want a job
in entertainment. Like where did that even come from?

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
Right? Because look at him, She's probably like, you know
a guy, right.

Speaker 3 (01:23:15):
Okay, this guy's connected? Yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Yeah that was out of left field at all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:21):
Uh and the classifieds and on the internet, which now
there is tons of them.

Speaker 3 (01:23:27):
Maybe sweet Talctor. He's like, I can make you a stab.
She's like, my dad.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
Lights Jr. Asked her to to well to rewrite some
letters with travel dates to her family because she is
going to be busy while she's traveling. One night, Jr.
Stays the night at the motel, which was rare. He
always was I would go home after, you know, they

(01:23:54):
did their thing. He shows up to the motel with
a trailer attached to the truck and at five she
wakes up, which wakes him up and pisses him off,
so he leaves the hotel and tells her to meet
him at the restaurant at ten am to the airport,
and he never shows. She calls him multiple times and
he never answers, so she ends up jobless. And homeless
and moves in with her family. Several months later, he

(01:24:18):
finds her on another AD and they resume their relationship,
but it fades pretty quick. Luckily, it faded quick. Okay,
the fact that she even gave it another opportunity is freaking.

Speaker 3 (01:24:33):
It's that hog man I told you.

Speaker 2 (01:24:38):
Diamonds right, ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (01:24:42):
In nineteen ninety seven, Jr. Is also is chatting with
a Polish college student named Isabella Luika from Indiana. Isabella
found paganism in BDSM and cult wife style and starts
chatting online with a man from Kansas who is an
international book looking for a secretary. She tells her parents

(01:25:03):
she's going to Casey for an internship once in case.
She sends her new address and then doesn't. They don't
hear from her for two months. They show up, she
shows up to They show up to Kansas City after
the two months, to the address that they were given,
and it's just a mailbox in Overlam Park, Kansas. They

(01:25:23):
never find her and don't know where to look, so
they go back home. Her father feels something is off
and starts writing her in Polish with information that only
her family would know, and she responds in Polish. So
at this point in time, they believe they, being the
officers and that are involved in this case, that she

(01:25:44):
might have still actually been alive and she was just
fine with the situation she was in. Isabella files a
marriage license with John Anthony Robinson in nineteen ninety seven,
starts Johnson County Community College, and she's telling her classmates
how happy she is with her much older husband. She

(01:26:06):
ends up signing a one hundred and fifteen item contract
that gave Jr. Complete control of her life in exchange
for taking care of her financially, and in March of
nineteen ninety eight, Jr. Leaves an apartment for Isabella and
rinsing apartment in Oltha, Kansas for her to run their business.

(01:26:26):
It's pretty repetitive. I mean it's different, but it's very repetitive.

Speaker 3 (01:26:29):
With the same story over again.

Speaker 1 (01:26:33):
Eventually, Isabella quits communication qush communicating with her parents in
Polish and demands all writing me in English because that's
her husband's language. She told them she would be traveling
around the world with her husband. At one point, she
mentions her sister's nickname, which suppresses their worries. For a
moment in the late nineties, Jr. Sells his property in
Florida and purchases sixteen acres in Lacing, Kansas. Lacing, Kansas

(01:26:56):
is very like hillbilly backwoods, small community, rural, nicely, they
got good lakes for fishing.

Speaker 3 (01:27:06):
Prairieview High School down there. I think pray View.

Speaker 1 (01:27:09):
Yeah, so to do. Still living in the trailer park
in oly JR. Befriends a maintenance man named Carlos, who
he starts bragging about his properties and the women that
will sleep with him whenever he wants, and however he wants.
Carlos' mom visits from Mexico and Jr. Asked her to
take some envelopes home and mail them to people in

(01:27:31):
the States. Said his friend was on the run because
he owed some money to some people, and his mom
did it. Jr. Invites Carlos to his property and laysin
and says he wants to build a fishing dock first pond,
and asks for four eighty five gallon large barrels.

Speaker 3 (01:27:48):
Yes, yes he does, yep, Yeah, of course he does.

Speaker 1 (01:27:52):
Of course he does. Carlos gets him in contact with
someone who sells six of them for fifteen bucks apiece.
April eleventh, two thousand, for Isabella's twenty first birthday, her
parents sent her a check for a gift. Around this time,
people stop seeing Isabella Jr. Ends his lease on the
property she was living in, tells people she was deported

(01:28:15):
back to Czechoslovakia after being caught smoking weed. During all
of this, during all of this, let's just add another
layer to it. In nineteen ninety eight, he reconnects with
his childhood friend Barbara Soandre. She was a translator in England.
He mailed her a few pre addressed layers and pre

(01:28:37):
addressed letters and asked her to mail them back from
England to the addresses on him. What she does, I
don't get that, because at this time I don't feel
like it should be that surprising to be curious as
to why the fuck you're doing that?

Speaker 3 (01:28:53):
Right, Yeah, I don't know. You were just like somebody
just requests like a meaningless task, and you're like, well,
that's not skin off my back, just like whatever, right, whatever.

Speaker 6 (01:29:04):
Fuck sake, dude, one scintilla of just pause, because if
I'm telling you straight up, if somebody asked me to
do that, if if our good buddy Pat asked me
to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:22):
From here, Hey, could you mail a couple of things back?
That's my boy. I love Pat, but I would still
be like why.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Yeah, we'll readdressed, like why why are you mailing me
something to mail for you? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
Because this is just weird, dude, this is just weird.
And he will probably come up with some ridiculous explanation
that has to do with Teddy Bears or whatever he's
got going on. Fine, but not even a moment's hesitation.
And that's one of the things that seems that it
was very consistent with a lot of these people that
are dealing with this guy. It just doesn't sound like

(01:29:57):
there's it, you know, whatever he's coming up with. They're
just like, yeah, I'll go along with it. Fine.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Like if he approached me and he was dressed like
the younger self with work related stuff and he put
on a good performance, I can honestly say I could
possibly be swindled, honestly off the bat, but as far
as like an envelope or a letter or anything along

(01:30:24):
those terms. Actually, even if I responded to a bdsm
ad and saw him, I would be like you, what,
wait a minute, are you sure? Are you?

Speaker 3 (01:30:37):
I know, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
I've always been in a position where I'm like, I'm
more willing to help than i am, like like resistant
to help.

Speaker 3 (01:30:44):
So I'm like, I don't know it.

Speaker 4 (01:30:48):
It's just easy to this stuff doesn't really like it
doesn't phasee me, It doesn't really like put me.

Speaker 3 (01:30:53):
Out at all.

Speaker 4 (01:30:53):
I'm just like, all right, well whatever, man, okay, fine,
kind of weird, but okay, Like I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:31:01):
Now, my brother conspiracy theorists through and through, man, I
would I would see this and it's like, is I
don't know? Man, it's did you ever see Adventure Avengers
Endgame where Doctor Strange goes through like the fourteen million
possibilities in one somebody sends some shit like that to me.
My brain starts working like, okay, what is this about?

(01:31:24):
And in this instance I would be one hundred percent correct.
And this is why I questioned shit because of insanity
like this.

Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
Right, so you know. He reconnects in nineteen ninety eight
with Barbara and she mails the letters. Barbara and Jr.
Start talking daily, and she even visits him a few times.
He convinces her to move back to the States and
live with him, and she does. In July of nineteen nine,
nine They get an apartment and open a joint checking
account and work together on his fake publishing company. A

(01:31:52):
few months Yeah, a few months later, he buys a
duplex in Overland Park. She knows this quickly that he
only visits for sex. She gets tired of it and
moves to Canada. But they stay in contact, and now
she's Jr's you know, escape plan, right, you know, He's like, okay,
at least I got now. In February fourteenth, two thousand,

(01:32:14):
a woman named Suzette moved to a motel and Nobland
Park to be a caretaker for Jr's dad, which she
did not know had passed away a decade before.

Speaker 3 (01:32:24):
JR.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Would show up occasionally for sex and photos. Suzette mostly
just emailed friends and family. The last week of February,
he tells her they are going to California to take
his yacht to Hawaii. He tells her before they go,
she needs to sign thirty blank sheets of paper and
address forty envelopes to her friends and family because they
will be so busy. I know, I know, I'm talking

(01:32:52):
most of this time. Guys. I'm sorry, but I thought
this was a really good case. Like this is crazy
it is incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:33:00):
Fine, it's just when he calls these women and they
pick up the phony and he says hello, and they're
like He's like, okay, you're an come.

Speaker 1 (01:33:08):
On, come on, I got you. Uh And again he's
still he's Nancy is still married to this guy? Like
how how is he doing all of this and being
a dad at the Hope for decades? She's at home
with the kids where he's Remember she's managed Wait no,

(01:33:30):
now she's managing the trailer park.

Speaker 2 (01:33:31):
Remember, oh that's right, that's right.

Speaker 3 (01:33:33):
Okay, it's a working lady.

Speaker 1 (01:33:35):
Yeah, she's a working lady because yeah, he's on the
computer chating onlines while she's working. Yeah, so they get
a okay she knows blah blah blah. So is that
mostly just email from last week of February? He tells
her they're yeah, I told you about the blank sheets. Also, JR.
Records a sex film of them, which will later be
used in his trial. At two a m February two am,

(01:34:00):
February twenty ninth, Suzette emails back and forth with a friend.
She calls her mom around one am and tells her
she would be leaving for California the next day, Jr.
Calls Susette and tells her it's time to leave, but
first he wants to swing by his property and lay scene,
and she has never seen from again.

Speaker 3 (01:34:21):
Well, I don't say you don't just swing by la scene.

Speaker 1 (01:34:24):
Yeah, swing by my property real quick, guys, yeha, I
go feed them cows. They're gonna feed themselves. A yacht
where let's go? I'm in. Do you want to rubber
stamp with my signature? Sure, let's go see this yacht. Hi,
thanks for hanging out. It's an hour and a half in.

(01:34:45):
You've been here the whole time. Thanks killing it, killing it,
appreciate it with us. Yeah, okay. So March first j R.
A O, they're leaving. November second Jr. Symbols assembly. Hold on,
that's a jump, okay, November second Jr. Reassembles Suzette's computers
because he's got a property and a storage in it.

(01:35:07):
Uh he and starts emailing her friends talking about her trips.
I think that was not I think that was meant
to be that. Hold on, This is supposed to be
March second, not November. It must have been a typo
on my end. So March second. So the next day
after Jr. Reassembles her stuff because she had packed it

(01:35:28):
all up because they were leaving. Okay, okay, sorry, I
don't want to throw everybody off because of my You're right, okay.
So that's March second, and then March sixth, Susette's mother
receives a letter from her signed by Suzette. She's suspicious
because it's too detailed, talking about being on the West
coast but addressed from Kansas City. So he started to

(01:35:50):
get sloppy. He's all this stuff. He's doing really well
at Yeah, it just keeps getting better and better. Thank you,
thank you. So, after new two weeks of no contact
with her, her mom calls Lenexa police department, and this
is also a suburb of Kansas has a lot Kensady

(01:36:13):
has a ton of suburbs. Yeah, I grew up, I
lived in Well, I'm familiar, very familiar. I lived in
Lennoxi for a while, and reports are missing and says
that she sadly says that she did not hold on.

(01:36:34):
So the officers reach out and he answers, saying that
she didn't accept his job offer and went on the
trip without him. She actually goes with a guy named
Jim Turner, which if you remember earlier, there's a James Turner.
So she does not believe him and says that he
will be hold on. Wait, what I am all over
the place here? Reports are missing? Is that had given

(01:36:56):
her mom j her cellphone? Okay, so Susanne ends up
calling JR. Because she has his cell phone number. He
answers and said that she had gone on a trip.
She does not believe him, so she calls the police.
Now JR. Is worried because she you know, there's contact
and he plans on moving to Canada with Barbara. He

(01:37:17):
starts playing in it. Okay, we can take a little
breakre le. Let's say a little break. I'm reading so
much it's like throwing me way off.

Speaker 3 (01:37:24):
What what year are we at at this point?

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
At this point we are in a few lines down
is two thousands, So like nineteen ninety eight, nineteen ninety
nine in Lenexa, Yeah, Kansas, I.

Speaker 2 (01:37:38):
Was this guy's still alive. Can we just go to
his prison and beat the shit out of him?

Speaker 1 (01:37:43):
Right? Right?

Speaker 2 (01:37:44):
Like I fans everybody right.

Speaker 1 (01:37:47):
Initially, Initially I had it to where I had two
screens up and I was trying to toggle between the frames.
But then when it kept messing up, I just pulled
out at the laptop. But this is an old beat
up lab top, so I'm having to literally pushed down,
push down, push down.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
He's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
So like while I'm reading, I'm sitting here pushing down
and throw me off. While dude, you're doing a fine
I'm trying and so much stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:38:13):
Convoluted and crazy. My I'm tired. I'm tired trying to
keep a track of all of this. Shenanigan.

Speaker 1 (01:38:23):
I seriously feel like I've just worked a seven hour
shift and I still got another hour to go.

Speaker 3 (01:38:29):
Nice.

Speaker 4 (01:38:30):
Yeah, well I'm sitting here just thinking, like I whoever
commented said it best? Yeah, this guy sounds like a
narcissist and uh, I mean I think that's like totally
spot on. And yeah, it's definitely about control, like oh man,
being able to manipulate any situation for exactly how you want.
It just goes back to that very first quote that

(01:38:52):
you tossed out there. Whenever he did speak, what was
it whenever he did speak, Uh, it was it created
the environment that he was.

Speaker 1 (01:39:01):
How he wanted to portray it, Yeah, how he.

Speaker 3 (01:39:03):
Wants Yeah, this guy's a mastermind.

Speaker 1 (01:39:06):
It really does. Actually, I'm glad you brought that up. Yes,
it's incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:39:10):
It's incredible.

Speaker 2 (01:39:11):
Say borderline sociopath.

Speaker 3 (01:39:12):
I mean they're well borderline, Okay, I think we're full blown.

Speaker 2 (01:39:19):
I don't know the guy personally, but I'm just saying
like that.

Speaker 7 (01:39:24):
Okay, So I'm going for my PhD in psychology and
like the the actual like that diagnosis is really they
get really weird about pinning, like, oh, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:39):
Died in the wool, you know, full blown. But I
don't disagree with you, you know, I mean even having not
met the guy, I mean, what kind of lack of
any emotion would you have to have? Not just just
erase the murder stuff alone? All right, well, I'm sorry,
the unliving stuff will set that to the side everything

(01:40:03):
else there There.

Speaker 8 (01:40:04):
Has to be no empathy, right right, Yeah, that's like
complete lack of ability to like sympathize or feel the
emotions of other people or.

Speaker 4 (01:40:18):
Yeah, it's it's pretty spot on in my opinion.

Speaker 2 (01:40:23):
Frightening, dude.

Speaker 1 (01:40:25):
It's scary that somebody can do this.

Speaker 4 (01:40:27):
But also somebody who knows how to portray those emotions
in order to elicit a positive response or the response
that he needs from someone in order to accomplish his goal.
Like that's the that's the manipulative part. It's like he
knows exactly what he's doing, and he knows what he
has to say or how he has to act or
what he has to look like in order for him

(01:40:49):
to get the results that he wants.

Speaker 3 (01:40:51):
And I mean, it's genius, it's incredible.

Speaker 1 (01:40:55):
Well, just think he's during all of this, he's somehow
making money. He's making a ton of money because the Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:41:03):
But I mean unless you know, you know, they talk
about the problem of evil and psychology where some people
are just like this and there's no explanation for it,
no chemical imbalances, no anything. And unless somebody's putting cigarettes
out in this guy's bunghole when he was a toddler

(01:41:24):
like this, this sounds like he was that way always right,
you know, And this would be one that I'd say,
this is a case for somebody that they're just fucking
evil man.

Speaker 3 (01:41:35):
Yeah, well, so I I used to do a probation
I used to be a probation officer for years, no joke.

Speaker 4 (01:41:43):
Yeah, So for the I'm not going to mention the
city in place, but anyway, I used to be a
probation officer, a minor offensive, first time offenders, things like that,
And what I learned very quickly is that a lot
of these kids are inner city kids, and it's it's
not that they don't know right from wrong. It's about
what's going to put you ahead of the next person,
what's going to gain the advantage for you over your peers.

(01:42:08):
And so it wasn't that they didn't recognize what right
and wrong was. Yeah, I know this is probably wrong.
I know this is morally this is incorrect. However, it
doesn't matter to me because this is going to put
me in a better position going forward, right, And that's
when your morals start falling off. And it's a slippery
slope because if you get away with one thing, you
can get two things, and on and on and on,

(01:42:30):
and if if your life is somehow easier for it,
it's working.

Speaker 3 (01:42:35):
Out, right, working out.

Speaker 1 (01:42:40):
So a few friends of Suzette, Laura Remington and Suzanne Taylor,
were contacted by the police. So they they're investigating at
this point, and they see that she'd been emailing her friends,
and these are two of her friends, Laura Remington and
Suzanne Taylor. Laura agrees to email JR. For the police

(01:43:01):
to try and get some information from him. Over the
next few months, she forwards all of their emails. They
discussed a dominant submissive relationship. Lower then receives a letter
from Susette Saint jar is a wonderful guy. Now. In
March of two thousand, there you go, Thomas Steve Haymes,
the po that we discussed earlier, receives a call from

(01:43:22):
a Lenex officer who has put together a task force
to bring down JR. Also in March, they receive a
tip from a coworker to a motel near the one
that Susette was staying at the roadside End. JR had
booked a room there for twenty days where a female
guest was staying. They found a letter in the trash
in the lobby that was a slave contractor to JR.

(01:43:45):
A Anex officer picked up a copy of the letter
from the hotel. Meanwhile, Detective Don Layman is following JR.
So the county has now got a detective specifically following JR.
This is Don. It's a female Don. March twenty nine,

(01:44:06):
she follows him to his farm. He returns or. She
returns the next day to take some pictures of the farm.
He doesn't have any at this time. He has no
no trespassing signs. There's no fences up on the property,
so she's allowed to walk around it legally walk around
the property. She can't enter the house, but she can
take pictures on the property and not get and not

(01:44:27):
get in trouble. April fifteen, she goes back and the
property has no trespassing signs and makeshift makeshift gate. While
he's being surveillanced and April JR. Meets Vicki Newfield, a
psychologist from Galveston, Texas. She posts an ad looking for

(01:44:47):
dom and some work. They agreed to meet. She drives
to Kansas City with her dog on April twenty third.
Law enforcement knows she is coming and stays in the
hotel room next to hers. The following day, JR. Shows
up with a slave contract. Vicky is hesitant, but she
signs it. JR. Says if they have good chemistry, she

(01:45:11):
could live with him till she gets a job. They
proceed with Vicky giving him oral He gives her money
for food and leaves. Vicky was questioning going back to
Texas but could not afford getting back. Next morning, Jr.
Comes back and becomes angry when he asks her to
put spiked heels on and she refuses. He starts taking

(01:45:35):
pics and laughs at her when she asks him to stop,
and he told her she should reread her contract because
she is not fulfilling that and then leaves. Later, she
calls and apologizes. The next day he shows up. They
have intercourse and after they discussed her going back to
Texas for the rest of her stuff, he agrees, but

(01:45:57):
takes her bag of toys. I said toys, and I'm
referring to not kids toys. But I'm wording it that
way on purpose. That's a real dick move.

Speaker 3 (01:46:09):
You don't do that.

Speaker 1 (01:46:13):
It's all of God. Actually, this is a point of
everything that I've done. This is probably the most comical
information because of the fact that it plays part later
on the bag of toys.

Speaker 4 (01:46:29):
No, you can't have Pillowkay, slum over it.

Speaker 3 (01:46:39):
That's funny.

Speaker 1 (01:46:49):
While she okay, while she's in Texas, she actually are references,
references is and referrals for job interviews. A week later,
she is waiting to hear back from JR. To see
if a van arrived with the rest of her stuff.

(01:47:10):
He doesn't respond, so she calls him and leaves a
message saying, I feel like you use me. Please send
back my stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:47:19):
Fillow case.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
I bought all this cleaner and I don't have anything
to use it on.

Speaker 3 (01:47:37):
I'm a business lady. I need my schools.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
Okay, Hi, I had to throw that out there. Damn it, Papa,
that's good. That's funny this think about it. That's this guy.
The guy that's on the screen right now behind us.
That's that's this guy.

Speaker 9 (01:47:55):
All this is this guy. Uh, it's crazy to think
about Okay, JR says. JR gets back to her, says
he's been in Israel and that.

Speaker 1 (01:48:07):
She should trust him. She threatens to call the police
if he didn't give her stuff back. This stuff must
have some sentimental value. Let me put it that way.
If she's like that, like serious about this bag, there's
either some very expensive product in that bag.

Speaker 2 (01:48:24):
Or or this was me grandmother's.

Speaker 3 (01:48:29):
Do you have any idea what my grandmother had to do.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
I was gonna say she threw hours of hard work
and labor and the children, but.

Speaker 3 (01:48:49):
It the only place she knew where she kind excellent.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
I love it. Okay, our humor and in this true
crime stuff definitely adds another aspect.

Speaker 2 (01:49:04):
To the show.

Speaker 1 (01:49:04):
I got it really does.

Speaker 3 (01:49:07):
Yeah, we're all going to.

Speaker 2 (01:49:10):
Express train.

Speaker 1 (01:49:13):
So she starts. So she starts receiving phone calls with
no responses, like just a dead dead air. So uh,
after noticing repetition, she starts blowing a whistle into the
phone and it stops. She stops receiving calls from that. JR.

(01:49:33):
Calls her though, and warns her that if she keeps
harassing him about her her toys, that his attorney would
expose her BDSM slave contract because remember, she was a
psychologist before they met or some was it something like
that was a psychologist. So he threatens to expose her. Uh,

(01:49:56):
Vicky calls the police anyways, So that's good, it's good.

Speaker 3 (01:50:01):
Nice. Okay, It's like there's like the first good move.

Speaker 1 (01:50:06):
Well, I mean, we are on let's see here, where
are we at? Here? We are on We're almost on
Ron ten, ron ten, guys, We're almost right there. We
are getting there, okay. During this, JR was also During
all of this, JR Is also talking to a lady
named Jeanie who we met on a site James Turner

(01:50:27):
wants a sexual relationship with her, and she agrees. Jr.
Gets her a hotel in May of two thousand. Police
get a room next to theirs.

Speaker 5 (01:50:38):
Police are perverts and they're just they're selling the audio
on the black the black market.

Speaker 3 (01:50:47):
They got like a mirror around the corner, like.

Speaker 2 (01:50:50):
One of those little bit like.

Speaker 3 (01:50:54):
A it's a cheek.

Speaker 1 (01:50:57):
Don't know. So they discussed her being a bookkeeper and
for her to take care of his house after the weekend.
He shows up that Monday asking for a social Security number.
She gives him a fake one because she's a little
like suspicious about it. Good for her whatever. Uh. He

(01:51:18):
instructs her to go back home and close all of
her bank accounts and come back. What she does, she's
still Nancy's still here, by the way, guys, Nancy this
whole time. Nancy still they're married. They've got their I
mean their kids are out of the house, but they're
still married. She runs it at the trailer.

Speaker 3 (01:51:36):
Park that they live at. Sweet Nancy.

Speaker 1 (01:51:39):
There's got she has to know she has.

Speaker 4 (01:51:44):
It's got a lot of work, honey, A long night, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:51:53):
So he instructs her to go back later that month,
she returns to the same hotel, this time not surveillance.
Jay shows up very upset because she is not undressed
with her hair tied back like he had asked, and
leaves her bruised all over her chest. After he leaves,
she complains about being bored. He tells her to go

(01:52:14):
to the mall. Gennie goes to the office upset and
finds out that his name is not James Turner and
that the motel is booked under John Robinson. She calls
a police and gives an extensive interview on good good

(01:52:34):
for you.

Speaker 2 (01:52:34):
Yeah time, So it wasn't the fact that he beat
the shit out of her chest ye and left her
bruised up and marked up. No, that that's not his
real name. Now I'm gonna call I'll go back to
what I said earlier with the thing like what.

Speaker 1 (01:52:59):
I know, I know, that's right. Meanwhile, Barbara back in
Canada or up in Canada, is getting frustrated because she's
expecting JR. To come up there. You know, she's waiting
on it.

Speaker 2 (01:53:14):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:53:16):
J R puts up cameras around his property when he
catches on to the police surveillance a him or continuing
a conversation with JR. Gets a call from him saying
that his name is James. They have phone sex and
then she asks about Susette.

Speaker 3 (01:53:34):
And then.

Speaker 1 (01:53:38):
What number a woman is he? That's what I says.
That's too funny. I wish I wish he had more
people that were like, First off, High, I'm very glad
that you're in here still, but if more people were
following along, I feel like they'd be doing the same
thing that High's do it just like what the yeah,
just like we are.

Speaker 4 (01:53:56):
I've kind of had to pretend that it's the same
person the whole through in order for me to follow it.

Speaker 3 (01:54:00):
It's just like so much it's just changed.

Speaker 1 (01:54:04):
That's well because in like it overlaps, so like I'm
going through the timeline, but it still kind of backtracks
to jump to make sense with the present. Yeah, so
all right, So in late May, my Hold and Lord
continue on covers, j tells her, okay, so j I uh.
After that she asked about that, JR tells her that

(01:54:25):
he hired a private investigator who found her traveling the
world with her lover and that she had stolen ten
thousand dollars from In late May, police find out.

Speaker 3 (01:54:36):
Jr.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Is talking to a divorce divorced woman in Tennessee, talks
her into coming to Kansas City with her child and
a title to her car.

Speaker 3 (01:54:44):
She agreed.

Speaker 1 (01:54:45):
She agrees to come in a few weeks. At the
same time, Jr. Is also talking to a seventeen year
old mother, Oh I jumped out too far who recently
gave birth. Tells her she could come to his farm
and la scene if she agrees to become a sex slave.

Speaker 3 (01:55:00):
Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:55:01):
Police know they are coming and they're worried about their safety,
so they're like, let's let's try to figure out what
we're gonna do here. June We're almost done. I'm almost
at the end of page ten. High says face palm. Yeah, no,
no joke. This whole time, I feel like an idiot
because I'm the one reading all of this. Justin luded,

(01:55:24):
justin lude this, justin Lewis. What's up?

Speaker 3 (01:55:26):
Man?

Speaker 2 (01:55:28):
How about the police? They know that this is not
the first time that they knew somebody was coming, and
they set up rooms. It's like, maybe we should do something.
This might turn out badly. No ship.

Speaker 1 (01:55:44):
So on June second, some plain clothed detectives surround Jr's home.
They knock and he lets him in. The longer the
police talk to him, the more agitated he becomes. Jr's
but for su for sexual assault, and theft charge is
for stealing Vicky's toys. That's right, that's right. They used it.

(01:56:05):
They use the toys. They used the toys. They use
the toys to book this guy. That's what I was
talking about. They use this stolen toys as an excuse
to book this guy. Like that is just brilliant, Like
that makes this whole thing worth it.

Speaker 4 (01:56:24):
I mean, depending on the cost of those toys too,
I mean it's pretty afty.

Speaker 2 (01:56:29):
Oh there is, Well, depending on the toy I can
tell you with somebody, well perhaps somebody that used to
write for the sex toy industry ny names, but those
the average cost on those is like sixty five and above.
So if he had, if it were a sack of toys, dude,

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you're talking, I mean over a thousand, primo.

Speaker 3 (01:56:54):
Sit here.

Speaker 1 (01:56:56):
All right, So here here's the wrap up is pretty
interesting too. Okay, so uh Jr's butcher. Okay, three detectives
take five computers and all the floppy discs that they
can find. Receives from the hotel the same day that
listwam missing. They also get a warrant for his storage unit,
where they find Suzette's passport, birth certificate, social Security Guard

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uh PRE, signed addresses enveloped to her family, nude photos
of Susette, her journal and other belongings, Isabella's ID and
slave contract, along with Vicki's toys. Yay, Vicky gets her toys.
Bad guys, this is this is a cost for celebration.
Thank you, thank you, Tom. I clap my other hands

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holding a live top. But you know she gets Vicky
gets her toys back and that's the end of the story.

Speaker 3 (01:57:46):
Thank God for small victories.

Speaker 1 (01:57:50):
The following days, officers get a warrant for his farm
and lay seen around one pm. A cadaver dog alerts
when they find two eighty five gallon barrel.

Speaker 2 (01:58:01):
No shocking mm hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:58:04):
When opened, they find a body with its head down,
bloated in purplish. The second was I had a pillow
on top of more human remains. First off, Sean, I
am curious do you have any input on a time
frame for bloated and purplish? Because I know that you
are an EMT for at one point.

Speaker 2 (01:58:26):
I did lots of medical stuff, which is not bode
well in these stories. But here's the thing that is,
I'm kind of shocked that they were still in just
bloated condition and not because you know, as an example,
a mutual friend of Pat and I, he passed and

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in his house and he was already leaking. We'll just
say that by the time time he would it passed
on Friday, and when was found on I think it
was a Sunday, was already leaking. Because as soon as
a body expires, the bacteria that takes care of things

(01:59:14):
in the gut just starts going to take it kick
a kick it right, and environmental things. So the only
thing that it I would say, doesn't seem that long.
If that was the only condition they found him and
blowed and being in a sealed like airtight environment may
have affected that.

Speaker 4 (01:59:33):
But I can't imagine this guy wouldn't want to try
and use some kind of accelerated process to like dissolve
or destroy the evidence.

Speaker 2 (01:59:41):
It's like, right or something.

Speaker 4 (01:59:45):
I don't know why they would just be in a barrel.
I feel like you'd want to have some I don't know,
something that I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:59:52):
Know, Do you have the with all this stuff he's
got going on. Okay, come on, just add another layer
to it.

Speaker 4 (01:59:58):
Yeah right, Yeah, that's that's sloppy work that.

Speaker 2 (02:00:05):
It's with all these got going on. Or he's just
such a narcissist and he's got all these these things
that he's juggling.

Speaker 3 (02:00:13):
Truly believes that it will not be discovered. There you go.
He's just he's just that like arrogant.

Speaker 2 (02:00:21):
Yeah, just that confident that nobody's nobody's ever going to
find it out. I'm too good.

Speaker 1 (02:00:26):
So the first one was identified as Susette. She had
a school fracture consistent with a hammer blow. She'd been
there for at least a few months up to a year.
Second was identified as Isabella. She had two hammer blows
to the school. June fifth, officers get a search warrant
for another storage gent and ring Moore, Missouri and sid

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they find three more barrels hidden behind some other items.
First barrel was identified as Beverly Bonner, the ex wife
of doctor William Bonder, the one who didn't agreed to
his conditions. Thanks, justin with a weird smiley face. Appreciate you, man,

(02:01:12):
I'm surprised you're still hanging out. This is your cup
of tea, thank you for hanging out with us. So Uh,
she had blunt force injuries to her head. Second barrel
had hammer blows to the head and a broken forearm
Sheila Faith which the broken forearm kind of means that

(02:01:34):
she was she was trying to defend herself. Uh, and
that was all. The third barrel had a teenager with
misshapen pelvis and degenerative conditions with multiple blows to the
side of the head. The daughter, Debbie, of the daughter
of Sheila. Right after gathering all of the evidence, Johnson

(02:01:54):
County DA Paul Morrison has to inform j R's brother
Don and his wife Helen their daughter is murder victim,
Lisa's daughter. And now at this point she's fifteen years old,
so she lived with them for fifteen years during all this. Wow,
and that is the end of the information. He is

(02:02:15):
still incarcerated. He is still alive. I believe he's like
eighty seven or eighty eight years old.

Speaker 3 (02:02:21):
You know where he's probably in area.

Speaker 1 (02:02:24):
It's in our area. I don't know exactly where, but
that's where I ended it. Guys.

Speaker 3 (02:02:28):
I mean, it's good and it's gracious.

Speaker 1 (02:02:31):
You know, a few hours, two hours and two minutes
into this, I'm glad you guys hung out because I
did most of the talking.

Speaker 4 (02:02:36):
The thing is that towards the end of this, I
started thinking that, like, yeah, he is getting sloppy, Like
if somebody's so like precise and calculated, like I got
a hammer to a school, Like what.

Speaker 3 (02:02:47):
A messy method to somebody?

Speaker 4 (02:02:50):
You know, like what a like I would think that
he would have some other sort of way to go
about it to.

Speaker 3 (02:02:57):
Keep things tidy. Yeah, it's not a tidy way to
go now.

Speaker 2 (02:03:03):
Then there's so much like there's so much blood, like
oh yeah in this area. That's why headwinds are so
scary because they he didn't just murror, you know, but
that he's consistent though, and with serial killers, they have
emos and he was consistently doing that with every one
of them. So there was something about that that I

(02:03:24):
don't he spoke to him.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Well, I don't necessarily think so high. I don't necessarily
think that he wanted to get caught. But I think
he thought he was going to get away, whether it
was dip out and you know, he could postpone it
long enough to get to Canada. Or whatever. I don't
think because even at one point he had to have
noticed that he was being surveillance. There's this guy's not
that stupid.

Speaker 3 (02:03:47):
I mean he's but it's also like a like a
incredible Hubris.

Speaker 2 (02:03:51):
Right.

Speaker 4 (02:03:51):
Maybe it's like playing a factor here, like like I
am untouchable, Like look at me, spanning decades of all
this horrible, horrible shit I've been able to pull off,
Like right.

Speaker 3 (02:04:03):
It's like they're not even looking for me.

Speaker 2 (02:04:06):
Yeah right, I bet you anything. And he made to Canada,
he would have killed that woman, oh.

Speaker 1 (02:04:11):
Yeah, and he just he'd be doing it all over
up there.

Speaker 3 (02:04:14):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:04:16):
But the time span of this, like we we got
to talk about like the development of social like social
media became a thing, and that's what that's what really.
So it starts when he has to provide for his family.
So he gets married and he's like I gotta provide.
But then he's like, okay, but me falsifying these documents
is working, right, I am. You know who cares if

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I lost this job, I'll just do it again.

Speaker 3 (02:04:40):
Right now, this ship is starting to get fun.

Speaker 1 (02:04:43):
Yes, yeah, at some point, there had there had to
be a point where he's like Okay, this is just
an energetic but I'm getting I'm getting a thrill from
like eighty percent of what I'm doing. Fuck Nancy, she
clearly doesn't know.

Speaker 3 (02:04:56):
What is high. It must be yeah, huh.

Speaker 1 (02:05:00):
Well, and there's never like no one ever knows how much.
No one's ever going to know unless he tells somebody
about doubt it at this point, how much he stole
or how much he has. I mean again, how many
people did he swindle and they didn't come forward? You know?

Speaker 4 (02:05:16):
Yeah, Well, and this kind of thing is like happening
every day all over the place probably, I mean, it's like.

Speaker 3 (02:05:23):
A lot more sophisticated.

Speaker 4 (02:05:24):
There's like more like firewalls, and it's more advanced as
far as technology goes. But like this sort of stuff
is happening with like human trafficking and drugs and whatever else.

Speaker 3 (02:05:35):
Like people will find incredible.

Speaker 4 (02:05:37):
Ways to screw other people out of whatever they.

Speaker 2 (02:05:41):
Want out of them.

Speaker 3 (02:05:42):
It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:05:43):
Operation of scamming is ridiculous.

Speaker 9 (02:05:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (02:05:46):
Like one of the new things that's happening is they're
using scammers are using AI to create avatars to get
jobs at companies, and then when they get the jobs
and they get all the critical password you know, information
from the company, then they use that information to steal

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from the company constant.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Dude, Well, well, actually, the app indeed, I'm sure you
guys are familiar with indeed, right.

Speaker 2 (02:06:15):
Very much.

Speaker 1 (02:06:17):
Indeed has an algorithm that sorts applications based on keywords,
so it doesn't really matter what you put in there.
If you don't hit those keywords, it doesn't get sorted properly. Nice. Yeah,
but Sean, what do you got, what's your what's your
last your last thoughts on the on this guy or

(02:06:38):
this whole thing.

Speaker 2 (02:06:40):
I kind of want to go visit the guy in
prison and just be like, what the fuck?

Speaker 3 (02:06:44):
Bro?

Speaker 1 (02:06:46):
Like, I mean, actually, me and me and Thomas could
probably go do it.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
And if you do, you could as a as a
danu mall to this whole thing and actually have a
sit down with this guy if they would grant at that. Dude,
are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (02:07:03):
Probably a nice guy. It'll probably get toss a few
bucks towards this commissary.

Speaker 9 (02:07:11):
Bro.

Speaker 1 (02:07:12):
What if I'm like, hey, look, all we need is
a few signatures, and you know you're going to be traveling,
so you're gonna be real busy.

Speaker 3 (02:07:18):
Man.

Speaker 2 (02:07:19):
Yeah, uh, I don't know why I just signed so
much stuff there.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
I'm actually the executive producer for Netflix, and I'd love
to tell your story. Here's my here's my resume right here.
I'm currently I'm currently employed as the executive producer for Netflix.

Speaker 3 (02:07:39):
Some people are just good, man, Some people are just good.

Speaker 4 (02:07:42):
Do you remember like like the raw days of like Wikipedia.
I remember there for a hot minute, I was the
inventor of like bubble wrap.

Speaker 3 (02:07:49):
You just like change stuff, you know, and it would stick.

Speaker 4 (02:07:52):
It would stick around for like a couple of days
until somebody caught it and changed it back.

Speaker 3 (02:07:56):
I don't know. Yeah, it's baby.

Speaker 1 (02:08:00):
Well. I do want to say that I appreciate it.
First off, Hi, thank you.

Speaker 3 (02:08:06):
Hi.

Speaker 1 (02:08:06):
How are you hanging out with us? I mean you
might as well have just been out here in the
panel with us the whole show. Thank you so much.
Justin job bless man, I know who you are. You're
good dude. Thank you for popping in. And then obviously
everybody else has been popping in and out. They so much.
This is going on all platforms. I do want to
give a quick shout out real quick to JJ's lounge.

(02:08:29):
We've been averaging over two million views a month on
all social media's. It's fantastic. We're getting ready to announce
a or. We're getting ready to do our first live
show here in Kansas City October second. I'm thrilled about it.
We're getting ready to do another short comedy Slasher that
we're collabing with a horror group on Sean. You're back

(02:08:51):
in the show. You're back in the game kind of.
I mean, you're there, you know when you're available. Yeah, busy.

Speaker 3 (02:08:57):
God.

Speaker 2 (02:08:58):
I would love to say things are calming down, but
you know, you know about the TV deal thing and stuff,
and yeah, man's advancing, So that's good.

Speaker 1 (02:09:06):
That means that you know, people within the network. We're
all growing together. Man, that's good. That's all that matters. Thomas,
a repeat guest on JG's Lounge. Uh, this I have
to say is the longest singe. And and the fact
that I talked as much as I did, I appreciate
and I fucked up multiple times and you guys still

(02:09:27):
hung out with us. Thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
So appreciate you.

Speaker 1 (02:09:30):
I appreciate all of you. You can check us out on
spot if you want to relist the episode. It's gonna
be on Spotify, will be everywhere you want to find it.
She high says, Hey, I'm down for anything. I'm in Ohio.
Kind of funny sometimes that's what's up. All right, Hey everybody,
We'll see around and until next time. Thank you all
so much,