Sodder family fire

5 kids dead after Christmas eve house fire! Or are they? Join us tonight to discuss this very interesting case.

Episode Transcript

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What's going on, everybody. It'sJukebox back with another episode of Singed Eye
Sockets and I'm actually really excited abouttonight. But before we get into it,
I want to give a shout outto everybody. We've been hovering around
one hundred and seven thousand views ofmonths for the last several weeks, which
is fantastic. Our subscribers are stillgoing up slowly. We just hit seven
eighty one today and climbing. Imean it has it dropped, you know,

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occasionally it'll drop one, but thenit climbs three or four and it
feels great. Next to me,we got evolution in How you doing,
Hey, I'm doing great. Iwant to say happy birthday to two of
my sons there six years apart,born today. Happy birthday, guys.
Happy birthday guys. Yeah, happybirthday. That's a long fucking labor.

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Jeez. I was thinking it wastime to when he got his birthday.
Sex. This is waiting Remo.You're like, it's a coming, oh
man, yeah, but life.Life is good right now. Can't complain.

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Happy to be here as always readyto go. All right, Sean
man, how you doing, I'mgood man, It's uh, this will
be my my third podcast this weekand loving every minute of it. And
uh, you know, just keepthem busy with uh, with school,
with shows. I had five showslast week and I've got three this week,

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so that's great, dude. Yeah. In the last three days,
I've had an edit in in uhpublished five shows and it feels really fucking
good out there that aren't mine.It feels fantastic. Patriot, pat Man,
how the hell you doing? I'llbe stepping in the light. Hi,

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guys, how you doing. I'min my I'm in my car tonight
since we're doing this at midnight andmy wife's asleep and I talk loud and
I don't want to wake her up. But yeah, everything's cool. Yeah.
Last week I launched my new podcast, Raw Unshiltered Stories with Pat Tell

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either JG know or you can hitme up. Patriot Patrick underscore seventy seventy
six on Twitter and on Instagram.All right, hell yeah, what a
what an intro that on? Patrickhas been on several shows on the JD's

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network, including his other show toOld Goats, which is also a fantastic
show. You guys just aren't veryconsistent with it, that's all. No,
no, But we got some guestslined up. I got, I
got oh mirror, I got oneguest lined up and uh I won't name
drop, but uh yeah, wehave a few more guests lined up.

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Yeah, Brian jay Baby, myhost, my co host. Uh so
yeah, yeah, yeah, I'vebeen on Evolution show. I've been on
your shows. So I don't thinkyou've been on Sean Shank produption yet,
have you? No yet? No? You got'da be funny to be on
that at my club? What elsedo you want? Well, I'm happy

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to have all of you on tonight. And before we jump into the topic,
has anybody in this in the studiobeen in a fire? In a
house fire? Yea little one one? Yeah, what was the experience like?
Oh, let me tell you.Don't go on a twenty minute banter,

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but you know, fill it in. This will be nice and quick
because it happened seemingly in milliseconds.I was coming home. I was living
in an apartment complex called Park JeffersonApartments, and before everybody told me don't
move in they always catch on fire, and I said, I'll be fine.

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It always happens to the other person. Wow, And that's what everybody
says until they are the other person. And we my ex fiancee and I
were coming home from dinner and aswe're pulling into the thing, I look
around. I'm like, wow,that is a lot of fire trucks.
And as we're getting closer to mybuilding, I was like, they're all

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around my building. And I stoppedand I realized, shit, that is
my bil building. And I jumpout of my car and it and it
wasn't my car, it was itwas my excess car that jumped out of
My car was sitting on the otherside of my building. And as I

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jump out, I see across thepitch of the roof it basically unzipped at
the top like somebody pulled it apartlike this and fired boom boom boom along
and I run up there and thefirefight, the fire there was a firefight

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stomi and I was like, that'smy building. My car is on the
other side. I need to getit because I don't want it to,
you know, get caught up inthe flames and everything. And they also
had the ladder truck. Now,if you don't know about water, as
it comes out of a ladder truckfire hose, it is incredibly powerful.

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And the guy said, go getit. So I run around the building
and as I'm getting towards my car, they start the hose on the ladder
and it hits the ground. Andthis is how powerful it is. When
it hits the pavement, the pavementstarts blowing out of the ground, like
it's blowing pavement out and it's itstarts here, and it starts moving because

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they have to dial it in right, and it starts moving towards my car
as they're trying to get it dialedin, and I'm literally running into my
car and I'm getting the keys inthe thing, and I'm watching and it's
coming right at me, and soand like, I start the car and
I peel out, and as I'mpeeling out, it comes right across where
my parking spot was. And thenfinally they dial it back and get it

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on the roof and I basically hadto sit there and watch the complex burn
and then it was it was complete. I lost everything. Well, damn.
When I was like twelve or thirteen, it was like the night before
Thanksgiving and my stepdad fell asleep whilethe turkey was still in the oven on

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high and we woke up. Iremember waking up and it was like just
smoke. I mean, you couldn'tsee anything. I just remember firefighter kind
of grabbing me and carrying me outof the room. Wow. Oh wow.
It wasn't It wasn't a full onfire. I mean, but the
turk, I mean, the ovenwas on fire, but the house didn't
go up. It was just smoke. But still, that was that was
a pretty brutal experience. I rememberjust inhaling and being miserable, no kidding.

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Yeah, So that's that's the thestory we're going with tonight. The
Solder family fire in nineteen forty five. Jenny and George Sodder had ten children.
At the end of nineteen forty five, World War Two was ending.
Their oldest son was twenty. Theyhad a twenty three year old and a
twenty one year old. The twentyone was overseas and the rest of them

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were at home. Why are youlaughing? It just with ten kids.
They didn't believe in Solder me.Oh god, I'm like, I'm like,
what what I mean, that wasn'tthat funny. I'm gonna be honest,
it was pretty bad. That's prettybad. It's one of them.

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I don't care it is. It'sone of them. Okay, No,
it's all good. Okay, Soyeah, just for that, that was
the whole show man. It's attwelve thirty at night, Jenny the mom

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woke up to a phone call andshe answered the call and it was some
lady at a party, and shethought it was like the wrong number,
so she hung up and she sawsome lights on down went saw that her
oldest daughter, seventeen, was passedout on the couch and the rest of
the children were back in their roomspassed out as well. She went back
to sleep, didn't think anything ofit, and about an hour later she

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woke up to a thud on theroof and she heard something rolling, but
she also says that it was verywindy that night, so she didn't think
anything of it and went back tosleep. And then another hour later she
wakes up to smoke and wakes herhusband Georgia up. They go and investigate
in his office and the room acrossthe hallway is engulfed in flames, so

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they're screaming, waking up all thekids they have. The seventeen year old
Marian go upstairs to get the threeyear old, which is the youngest,
out of their bedroom. Two oldestboys are running out as well behind them,
and they're screaming for the other kids. Never heard anything from them,
and they all get out of thehouse and realize the other of the four
that are out, the five thatwere still in the house never came out.

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They never heard from them, andthe house flames. And this is
where it gets kind of weird becauseGeorge says that there was a ladder always
on the side of the house.He ran over there to get it because
he couldn't go back into the housebecause the stairs were just a blaze.
So he goes to get the ladder, the layers missing, and right away
he's like, Okay, that's kindof suspicious, but he doesn't think anything

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of it. He owns a truckingcompany. They haul coal and all this
other stuff, and he had twotrucks on his property, so he went
to try to pull the trucks upto the property to just climb on top
of them to get upstairs to getthe kids, and neither one of the
trucks would start, which was alsosuspicious because he used them the day prior.
So Jinny runs next door to usetheir phone, and at this time

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they have switch operators and nobody canreach the operator. They can't get through.
A couple other neighbors try to callin, and they lived two miles
outside of Fayetteville, West Virginia,so they're kind of country, you know.
They're running the neighbors. A coupleof neighbors call because they nosed the
fire as well, but nobody canget through through the operator. So one

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of them drive into town and theyfind the fire chief. And at this
time, because the war, itis all volunteer firefighters and most of them
were overseas drafted, so they werecalling neighbor towns trying to get people.
And it took eight hours to geta firefighter out to the property. Wow,

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and the house was burned up anddone in forty five minutes. So
they watched the house burn down withthe five children in it, which is
pretty miserable. Oh M, haveyou guys heard of this case yet?

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No? I have not, Buttalk about your unfortunate events, right,
I mean, that's like the perfectworst storm to ever be involved with.
Yeah, they lost half after theirkids, of five of the ten.
Yeah. The problem was that whenthe firefighters came and they investigated, they

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never found any remains. Huh,nothing, no remains, No body remains.
Nothing. Now, if you lookup cremating a body, a body
has to be burned up to twentytwo hundred degrees for about three to four
hours, and even then there's stillusually some bone fragments, and the fire

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burned up in forty five minutes.Now, house fires do get up to
about eleven hundred degrees and sometimes higher. But I mean in forty five minutes
for five bodies and nothing to bethere, it's kind of suspicious, very
suspicious. I mean, what didthe guy have in the house, Because

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if you owned a trucking company,you know there's a potential for there to
be chemicals there. I'm not saying, I'm not trying to make excuses for
things, right, but you know, if the house is completely gone,
if this is a big, oldcountry house, in forty five minutes,
it's not fast, you know,but it's not slow either. So if

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it was burning very hot due tosome sort of chemical stores that they had
in the house, it's it's possible, I would say, but very very
highly unlikely. I'm still stuck onthe pump on the roof of the missing
ladder. Yeah, well, let'sget into the next let's get into the

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next thing. They rule the firean electrical issue, and during an investigation,
they realize that the phone wires hadbeen cut, which makes no sense
because at twelve thirty she took aphone call, So between then and the

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fire, somebody had cut the line. Now, a neighbor witnessed somebody going
into their shed and stealing a blockand tackle, which removes engines, And
they found the guy and he confessedto cutting the lines, saying that he
was going to rob them, hewas going to break in and steal some

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of their stuff. But he saidI had nothing to do with the actual
fire, and he actually got offof that charge, but he didn't confess
to Yeah, he confessed to cuttingthe wires, thinking that they were cutting
the electricity for him to go inand steal stuff. So there's that.
Well, it's a little pier coincidental, right, right, So especially when

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the especially when the lady woke upand heard a thud on the roof,
right, But I'm thinking a littlebit deeper in this because they couldn't reach
the operator, and then the firedepartment took what eight hours to get there
right, well, and the firechief didn't know how to operate a truck,

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so he had to find somebody foranother town to come and get the
truck to drive it. The firechief did not know how to operate the
truck. Uh huh, I thinkeither the whole community hated his family.
Yeah, we're gonna we're about toget into that part, okay, sod

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Sean, did you have something?It's just okay, So if I'm breaking
this down right, I'm looking atyou know how they have like a bar
graph where it's a straight line andyou do like a chronological, you know,
set of circumstances. So she themom went down and saw the seventeen

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year old knocked out on the couch. She get the phone call before or
after that before because after she upthe phone, she realized the lights are
on still downstairs. She goes downthere and finds her daughter. Okay,
so she goes back upstairs and goesto sleep, wakes up in the middle
of the night to thump on theroof. Oh that's normal. Goes back

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to sleep. Which if I heara thump on my roof, I'm getting
my gun and I'm going around andinvestigating ship. Actually I lived with Sean.
It doesn't even take a thump onthe roof. Take he thinks there
might be a thump on the roof. He turns in a fucking rambow,

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fucking headband and everything the eye blackenedher, my eyes. You it's just
such a strange response to a thumpon the roof. You know, like,

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I've lived in the deep country before. I know what it's like to
have limbs and stuff above your house. And that's still something you would check
out. It depends on the levelof thumps. But so and at some
point when this is all in thisthis after this phone call, this mix,

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this dude cuts their phone lines andhe and he sabotages the trucks.
Two. Well, they don't confirmthat he did. But he did have
the block and tackle which would removeengines, so that would make sense.
But they couldn't prove that he did. He didn't confess to that. He

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did confess to cut and attempting tobreak into the house or was going to
break into that. People knew thatthey were. So they're in a small
community. People knew that they were, you know, middle class because he
ran the fucking company, so theywere semi wealthy. Semi wealthy. Yes,
it's trucking company. Good job.At thirteen, he migrates from Italy

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and the reason he moved here wasbecause of his bias to the politics at
back home Benito Mussolini. He wasnot a fan of him. Fateville was
a very Jewish community at the time, and he was very open about his
opinions. So there were people inthe community that did not really care for
him because he would speak his mindon the matter whenever politics came up about

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Italy and all that stuff. Whywould they be against that, You said,
he moved away from Mussolini. Mussolini, if you know anything about him,
tied in with the Axis Powers.So he moved to get away from
Mussolini into a Jewish community, andyou would think if he was like,

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yeah, I'm not for this guy, the Jewish people would be like,
hell, yeah, dude, Wellsome of the people in the community were
for Mussolini. Oh, so itwasn't just like one anti Italy community,
you know, it's just just weirdthat's a Jewish community. There's like a
small contingent Jews for Mussolini. Well, so two months back then, an

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insurance there's always an insurance agent whoall had their name, was always on
the documentation as a backup for likehome insurance and stuff like that. So
the bank assigns an entrance person tothe claims on the house. So two
months prior, an insurance agent cameto the property. He was outside raking,

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and they got into it because hewas trying to sell life insurance on
the kids, and they started talkingpolitics. They got frustrated. There were
several witnesses to this counter Apparently theinsurance agent was telling him that the house
was going to go the flames andthe kids are gonna die. This was
two months prior. Now, severalmonths before that, the same insurance agent

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upped the insurance claim on the housefrom fifteen hundred to seventeen fifty. Again,
this doesn't say that he did it, but these are facts that are
You can find documentation on it ifyou do the research. So there's just

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another factor into it. So ifthis guy's got the entrance claim on the
property and he's got some money involvementin it, and he's trying to get
in to put life insurance on thekids, which George does not want because
he's like, my kids are perfectlyhealthy, why do I need it?
And he actually ends up telling himto get off the property and leave.
So if the insurance agent had hadnothing to do with that, that's the

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biggest fucking I told you so ever, right, I said it. I
know your kids are dead and everything, but man, I was by here,
you slapped me in the face ofthe rake. How was this insurance

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agent? How does he have apolicy on that? Is it just who
they're working through or does this guyown the property? And you have to
do you have to look into itbecause it's not It was actually pretty common
for bank banks to have somebody onthe document for the entrance claim, not

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just the house owners. Yeah,if it was like mortgage or something like
that. Yeah, so the bankwouldn't lose money to I guess, I
don't know. Okay, okay,that makes sense. But then trying to
get the insurance on the kids too, that's mortgage kids too. No wonder

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he was pissed off. I wouldchase him off to funk off with your
stuff. I'd be like, dude, I got ten, I could lose
half right, still have a basketballteam, nobody, only five of them.
It's not a big I'm just sayingthe garden lineup right, you know,

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make my kids this guy now,Now, a few weeks prior,
a few weeks prior to that,a younger kid came to the property asking
if he needed any work done,and he offered. He was like,
well, you know what's talk andthe kid like followed him around in his
backyard and pointed out that his electricalboxes on the house, we're going to

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cause a fire as well. Akid, a kid, he was the
insurance guys. Kid. Well,and that's what one of the theories is
that he sent the kid there.Yeah, because kids don't usually do that
type of stuff right. Well,and George, according to George and Jenny,

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they had recently had some work doneon the house and they had had
an electrician out to inspect the houseand everything was cleared not long before that.
So he found that suspicious and hesent the kid on his way,
but he didn't think anything of it. Hm hmm. That is It's just
it's like a series of events thatjust don't really line up. Is what

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I'm saying. Actually, they do. They line up perfectly for that night.
I mean, really think about it. They do. Yeah, But
there's no like direct evidence either,so you know there's that. I think
this evidence points at everybody strange.I mean, I know back then,

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you know, obviously our grandparents werevery self sufficient and being poor in the
country, like you come up learninghow to fix everything. So you know,
I could see somebody with some countryknow how, looking at that going,
oh, you might get might begetting caused to fire from that.

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But for a kid, Raindow kidto be looking for work and then bring
I don't know, it just yeah, it smacks it of being weird.
But that's I'll tell you what.The thing that jumps out of me the
most to be the biggest ridiculous factorin this is a fire chief who doesn't
know how to operate the fire truck. I mean it's yeah, that got

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me too sense. But I mean, if you're running in the department,
you maybe don't need to do it. You know, you're always dispatching,
you're not really having to do itwell. And would you, I mean,
honestly, if you know so,there were a couple of miles out
of town, which you know,where where all of us live. Actually,

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you go a couple miles in onedirection. You're in the middle of
fucking nowhere. Uh. Would yougo to somebody if you were a kid,
would you go to somebody's house thathas ten fucking kids asking for work?
This motherfucker has ten kids. It'slike, no, I got four

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people to do my garbage. I'mtraining my kid to do my roof.
I got one kid over in Germanyfighting Jerry. You know, It's like,
I don't need any fucking help.So yeah, that that's that's the
one that strikes me is kind oflike what or that's one of the things
that strikes me is kind of weird. I mean I could see you know,

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uh, going up to an oldman's house or something like that.
Hey, mystery, ow miss sellme your driveway. But you know,
and then having a little kid,you know, walking around back finger his
nose. Mystery, You're electrical boxlooks like my stir fire? What do
you know about that? You wereplaying with Leaden Toyse? How the fuck

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do you know what you think aboutelectricity? Right? Well as Sean and
evolution? Though I like to throwcurveballs out there. So let's get back
to after the fire. So thefirst comb through the property, they don't
find anything. Now, after that, the fire chief uncovers a metal box

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with a heart in it, likea metal box that was buried in the
debris and had an actual heart init. Now, are you sure that
the dad wasn't also a huntsman?Well, So, after taking the box

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into do an autopsy, it turnsout that it was a beef heart.
It wasn't even a human heart,and the chief confesses that he buried it
on the property to try and giveclosure to the family so they could move
on. What does that even makewhat? I'm no geographist, but did

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you say geographists? Yeah, yourkid died and their heart fell in a
box and didn't burn. I doesactually know this makes sense. The motherfucker

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doesn't know how to operate fucking fireinjured, so he wouldn't know how fire
works either or how closure works.Family, like you open, What happened
was when of your kids climbed intothis little box during the fire, and

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as it smoldered, it's hard justkind of the lid shut and survived.
I think he was treating it likeyou know how in Hawaii, how they
make the point like they put thehall underground in like a fire pitch and

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let it cook in the ground.I think that's what he was doing,
Like he was having a barbecue andhe just didn't want to see what he's
pulling it out of the ground,and like, what are you doing?
Closure A real quick question, though. My brain stuck on something. Who

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called the house late from nobody?The wrong number? That's what they think.
I mean, they're not sure.She assumes that it was the wrong
call, but based on the eventsshe said. She said it said it
was a woman on the other end, and she could hear like glasses clinking

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and people laughing in the background,like they were at a party. So
she assumed it was the wrong number. No evolution, just said the thing
that's been sticking in my brain.Then, what's that they were calling to
check to see if someone was Yep, that's what I think too. Okay,
I think a lot of this,Like I think a lot of them

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were like working together. That's myopinion. So two days later, jury
decides they actually had a jury decidefor some reason that they died because of
a fire, and one of thejurors was two days later. Two Yeah,

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they didn't, yes, two dayslater. Now that the investigation continued
because the parents hired a private investigator, but the county and the state decided
to close it. The kids diedin the house fire, and one of
the jurors was the insurance agent.Oh man, come on, right,

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Okay, So I gotta say thisbecause this really jumped out when you just
said that anybody been in a juryselection process? I was, and then
I had to get out of it. But yeah, I'm thinking even in
this I'm thinking, even in asmall town, it takes more than two

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days to get the jurors together,right, right, But they get they
assemble, they get together, andthey make the decision in two days.
You can't even get all the evidencein two days, right, especially when
there's no evidence there. Right.And then I was I was in jury
selection and the nature of the case. I got out of the case because

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I was. I straight up saidI can't be impartial based on the nature
and the case. They let mego. But in this case you can
have the insurance age. Talk aboutconflict of fucking interest. They didn't have
enough people. They were all overseas, she's I mean it took hours to

(31:37):
get the fire people there. Right, Wait a minute, Wait a minute,
Hold, I just said something.It took eight hours to get somebody
to the house when it was onfire for two days to get make a
decision on the case. Now youdecide to hurry. Most most of the

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people like, most of the theoriesare that it was based on the fact
that he was so open about hispolitics and that they might have just rubbed
a lot more people the wrong waythan they, you know, than we
know, and they kind of gottogether and did it. You know,
maybe it happen. Now there iswe're actually kind of burning through this pretty
quick, but there is neighbors thatsave. They claim that they witnessed those

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children in the back of a cardriving away during the fire and a passing
vehicle. Well yeah, because nobones or nothing we're ever found. And
yeah, that doesn't get that didn'tget hot enough for long enough to burn
bone oh minutes. Yeah, onceI have a thought, I have a

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thought. So let's just say thisguy who's supposed to be middle class,
uh huh, had some issues orwhatever. He's got ten kids. The
insurance agent has a conversation with himabout his kids dying in the fire.
Oh you see where I'm going withthis. Yeah, and then and then

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later they set it all up,make it happen, and somebody gets paid
on insurance. They can't find thebodies of the kids there were supposedly being
in the fire, and the insuranceguy was one of the jurors, right,
So of course he's gonna make surethat everybody gets off. So it's

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a job, and he's gonna makesure everybody gets paid. Yeah boom.
The kids is still a lot,buddy. Oh my gosh, I didn't
even think it. Yeah, yeah, so you know who knows? You
know what about dad's financials. Whatif business wasn't that great? What if

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his trucks are Yeah, and kidsand look, we'll burn your house down.
We'll say five kids died. We'llship them off to the way.
You know, there'll be the youngerones and stuff that we can you know,
co worce and all that stuff.And no, your whole family died
in the fire. And now you'rein this orphanage in freaking Ohio or something.

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Oh my god. Yeah no,no, they're with the guy who
was in the military. Oh youthink you think the family is still together.
They're with the brother. Yeah,that's pretty far out there, but
I mean he's in the military.If anybody can go in the heat of

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a fire and get kids and drivehim out before nobody is even more notices,
really well they could. They couldhave cleared out, They could have
cleared out the kids before anybody wokeup to true, so the kids would
be the hardest ones. Okay,So if you've ever been in an emergent

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situation and I was an EMT forsome time, pat your combat vet.
You know, I don't know aboutthe CV of evolutionary jukebox with that kind
of stuff, but anything that's emergencylike it is, it is chaotic.

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It is a lot to manage,and the way you react isn't It's not
movies. It's not like a movie. And five younger kids would be a
nightmare to manage in something like that. So if it just so happens that,
okay, the five that were onseenand able to run out of the

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house where the older kids, thenthey were managing the chaos by getting the
kids out of dodge. But whereI'm having trouble with that theory not that
I hate it, This is theonly picture of the house. Sorry,
that's all I could find. Okay, So yeah, so it's a big
old country house, right. Andthe thing is too, that's old timber

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construction. Now if you look atI did a lot of carpentry grown up,
and I tore down and used timberfrom house as built nineteen hundred and
previous. If you look at theConA centric rings that are in old timbers
where they're actual not nominal, theyare thick, they are sturdy, and

(36:28):
it would take a long time forthat shit to burn versus what we have
today, all right, just vastlydifferent types of wood. Right, So
it seems like it's adding up tosome corruption, possibly an inside job getting

(36:49):
the kids out of there. Butwhere I'm getting stuck is why the missing
ladder, Why sabotage their own trucks? Why the cut phone lines? Right?
Heart box? Yeah? Do youknow me? It's like it's it's
too much, you know, isa preponderance of evidence with different ties,

(37:15):
right? Are those the kids thatpassed? Those are the kids that yeah
passed or just disappeared. They areall dark haired, brown eyed kids,
so and matching eyebrows too. Yeah, yeah, definitely I don't doesn't I
mean, doesn't it seem like someof this stuff is not Like, even

(37:36):
though I'm kind of leaning towards evolutionstheory, there some of the evidence doesn't
make sense in this play well,and the series of events lining up,
I mean kind of lying. Itdefinitely sounds like, Okay, the insurance
agent is planning something, all right, but then yeah, the heart in
the box, the fire truck notmaking I mean, I don't know,

(37:59):
man, There's there's quite a fewdifferent ways to play it, man.
And again going back to the kidwalking around the house and giving a home
inspection tips to the guy all Willieand Milly, and again, like some

(38:21):
of the documents I read, thepeople, you know, were like,
it sounds like it could have beenthat the insurance agents sent him there prior
to him even visiting the property,and it could have just been him going
and scouting the property and be like, oh, hey, here's what I
see. Yeah, okay, whatif they started the fire or whatever.

(38:46):
Insperiensation gets five of the kids out, gets him away, tells them that
your whole family died, and youknow, then you know, we're going
to have to move you across usthe country in the forties or something.
You could disappear with no problem andsomething like that, and little kids aren't

(39:06):
gonna research or anything like that.Get gets those kids away. Who knows
he might have had a policy onthem, that he did it on his
own. Then everybody else they climbeddown the ladder. He takes the ladder
off, thinking, you know,you know, just getting rid of the
ladder, not knowing that it's alwaysthere, right, you know. So

(39:30):
you have people going it's a bigold farmhouse. You have everybody going out
front. He's getting people out theback. I know that's that's a stretch
too, but I mean, everythingin this fucking thing. And then the
poor guy. I'm still thinking,the poor motherfucker that cut the wires was
just wrong placed, wrong time,just like I'm just a petty criminal.

(39:52):
I'm just the thief. I don'tknow if lines the cut right. How
about this, and to what Pat'ssaying right now now, it just hit
me while we were talking about this, what we might be looking at here,
guys, is convergence, all right, and just a set of circumstances
that seems like, okay, somethinghad to have been happening, you know,

(40:15):
where they planted out and all thisother stuff. But what if,
all right, all of these thingshappened to this family, and they were
different entities involved, and it justall happened at the same time. Dude
comes out to rob them, cutsthe phone lines. All right, maybe

(40:37):
he was up on Maybe the thumpon the roof was you know, the
kids. Maybe the kids were escapingand ran off with somebody, you know,
God only knows. But what ifit's a We're looking at a series
of events that we're not connected,but because of the time frame, right,
got connected. Yeah, yeah,I mean the kids getting out the

(41:01):
roof too. I mean that wouldmake sense because the parents got put to
bed before any of the kids did. Can you can you bring a picture
of the house back up? Yeah? Hold on second, Okay, So
what if the kids I'm pointing atmy phone like you can see. What

(41:22):
if the kids were climbing out anddumped on the awning the mom in the
back, you dumped out where thesun room or whatever is in the back.
Moms took that for a thump onthe roof. When you're asleep and
you get woke up like that,What what if that were the case?
Ship What if the kids hated theirfamily and they started to fucking fire and

(41:44):
they ran away. And you knowwhat if she knows her own property,
which back then, I mean growingup, dude, I could do.
I could have told you every rock, branched, nook, cranny grown up
on that acreage because I ran everybit of it when I was a kid.
Look at this house. There areno trees up around where she's like,

(42:06):
oh, yeah, you know,it's a windy whatever, and something
would have fallen on it. That'squestionable because looking at it, I don't
see anything that is above it thatwould have fallen onto it. Uh yeah,
the only the only one would bethat one tree the the by the
back. I you know, justbased on based on depth, I can't
really tell. But maybe a branchcould have broken up that and hit the

(42:29):
hit the roof of the back room. But yeah, nothing on the Uh,
it doesn't look like anything over that. You don't have a giant oak,
you know, two hundred year oldoak or anything like that that's a
couple of hundred feet tall. Ithink, Yeah, I wonder if that
was the kid. Yeah, Iwonder if that was the kids that she

(42:50):
heard that she heard. Yeah,I'm still stuck on the father and the
insurance guy because I'm thinking there's someinformation missing about his financials, and this
was a planned event. It wastoo many things that occurred perfectly for it

(43:14):
to be the way that it was, you know what I mean. I
still can't understand the eight hour gapbefore they get there. They wanted to
make sure that house was burnt toa Christmas, then the kids getting away
that had to be on purpose,but to have no evidence of bodies or

(43:37):
anything. And then to schedule ajury and come to a decision in two
days after the fire, you knowfor small town right there with you,
dude, Like, if you're talkinglike Mayberry RFD, that's still too fast,
hey, Yeah. And then Ijust think the insurance guy's definitely involved

(44:05):
with this somehow. And and Ithink the stage conversation where everybody heard them,
the father talking to the insurance guysaid people heard that, right,
Yes, Yeah, I think thatwas on purpose. Yeah, I think
that to make it seem like itwas something that did he refused to let

(44:27):
happen. But I think it wassomething that they plan in stage. I
just had a thought, Okay,what if the insurance agent was sympathetic to
dad, who's talking about his politicalviews and it's unpopular, and he was
like, look, I can getyou a way to get out of to
get out of here, you know, you know, you know, like

(44:52):
there were buddies or something like thator the or whatever, and it was
just like, look, here's whatwe'll do. We'll do a B and
C. I'll come to your house. You'll yell and scream at me,
you know, and then you know, well I can't afford all these kids
and stuff. Okay, we'll sayfive of them died. You know,
I know, I know a Catholicorphanage out in LA that you know they

(45:13):
will adopt, you know, fiveItalian kids. There's a family out in
you know, you know Port Huron, Michigan that is dying to have five
Italian kids. You know, Igot you covered, you know, and
we'll do you know, that's plausible. Okay, So to what Pat's saying,

(45:35):
one, it was, I meana bit earlier, but still back
in the twenties and things, especiallyduring it was not in common to sell
kids like people literally sell kids.Photos and people with their kids on the
stoops with signs. You know thatthey will sell the kids. Right,

(45:57):
So I I'm down with that.I think that is a very plausible explanation
to this whole thing. My onlyhang up is one the phone line guy
was just a weird circumstance again withconvergence of things happening or and Captain Beefheart,

(46:19):
what the f how that throws meto the art definitely throws me as
well. And I also want tothrow this out there because like, they
never so they never saw the kidsagain. But so he died in nineteen
sixty nine and she died in nineteenseventy eight, so there you around for

(46:46):
a while. They were around fora while, they had an investigator the
whole time, or for however longafter. I think it was like several
decades, and they never saw them. So I mean, I mean,
that definitely makes sense. We wentto the moon in nineteen sixty nine,
supposedly, and it was faked.This all ties together, but actually sent

(47:10):
the children to the moon. Okay, that's what no man, I think?
What if? What if the uhthe electrical cut wire kind of a
pantsy set up by the insurance guy. Hey, I know this place he
could rob cut these wires. You'llbe able to steal this and this,

(47:35):
you know, or hey, godo this. Cut these wires say that
you were just there to steal this. I will make sure you get off.
You know, I'm on the jury. No one was ever convicted,
of course, So I think,Okay, this is where I'm landing on
this. Unless you throw another damncurveball like you always don't, I'm giving

(47:58):
you guys all the curveballs. Okay, So I think this is where I'm
landing with this. I believe Patis one hundred percent correct. I think
this whole thing was set up tohelp the family. Whether they saw the
kids atgin or not, they gotthem out of there, got the insurance
money. Everybody worked together, theyhired or made that guy, the Patsy.

(48:22):
The thing that's throwing us off,which I and I believe this now,
the thing that's throwing us off isthe incompetent, dipshit fire chief.
Yes, that's the fly and theointment because none of his shenanigans makes sense.
But everything else, if you putit together what was just described by

(48:44):
Pat, I think that's where thislands. M. I just built down
what evolution said. Yeah, buthere's here's here's the thought on here's a
thought on Captain beef part, Okay, so let's say I'm thinking the insurance

(49:04):
agent is the mastermind behind this thing. Okay, so he said he's setting
all this, putting every wheel inmotion. If he if he's doing all
this insurance stuff, he knows whatthe police are like, he knows what
the fire department's like, so hecould Captain beef Harp might not have even
been in on it. It wasjust the insurance agent had been like,

(49:27):
this guy's so fucking incompetent that itwould take him three four hours to get
a firetruck out here. He doesn'teven know how to operate one. And
then when dude gets one in eighthours, he was like, holy shit,
this is working better than planned.And Captain beef Hart is feeling so
bad that he's like, I haveto give this family closure. Here's this

(49:52):
cow hard right that the Yeah,they're all unto your small town fucking like
Gene Wilder said, warns, uhbut okay, sure, but what when
he got to the scene, didhe just go, you know what this

(50:14):
needs. This needs a cow heartin a box hold. On a second,
reaches into his pocket, pulls outhis spare cow heart, which all
be carried right right next to yourtobacco pouch. No, but but he
said it was a couple of dayslater. It was a couple of days

(50:36):
later that they you know, theywent in and investigated everything, and then
we went in and after the initialsearch. But it wasn't necessarily days later,
okay, but it was after theinitial search to where to where he
could have come back and buried itand then walked in and been like,
hey, guys, what's that silverbox over there right there? Yeah?

(51:00):
That one? Hey, did youguys look inside that? Maybe there's some
closure in that box. It's thisidiot is thinking he's helping so incompetent.
Did you say you want to picturethe house? Yeah, if you could

(51:22):
bring that up, because it's somethingjust occurred to me. Here's my question.
Anybody seen any light poles or anythingaround that? No? I mean
I don't. But with all theokay, it's hard to tell, like
on the backside to the left theremaybe behind the back of the house there's
like a straight something that could potentiallybe one. Potentially, so if you

(51:46):
zoom back to where we see like, can you pull back to where we
see more of the picture? Okay, So that looks like a gravel.
I grew up on rural Route oneokay, in Deer Creek, Indiana.
That looks like an oldie timey dirtroad, and I don't see a lot
of what looks like who the fuckheard them talking? Neighbors were I mean,

(52:13):
there was a neighbor that saw thefire driving. There was neighbors that
saw the fire, and the neighborsand the houses down the road. How
far I don't know. I don'tknow how far apart they are. Do
you see what I'm saying? Thatlooks rural as shit? Yes, and
back then we still weren't as populated, even close to what we are now.

(52:35):
It just seems strange. And said, you know, neighbors were close
enough to overhear. Dude. Youknow I had a neighbor that was close
growing up, and they would nothave been able to discern their conversation I
was having out front with somebody,even with raised voices, right. But
I mean, if this is allstage, they could have just said there

(52:55):
was people there and heard it.Sure. Sure, That's why I just
lend more credibility to what's everybody's beenbuilding on on this theory. Unless unless
that picture was taken at the neighbor'shouse across the street, and old Italian
dude is pissed. He's like,really, of every place to build on

(53:16):
this fucking deserted road, you buildright across the street from me. Now
you're the guy with a funkulu andthen his house caught on fire. I
just don't understand how being outspoken aboutevil people in the world would piss other

(53:38):
people off. I get in Americain the forties, I hate fascism.
What right, right? So nowwe're settling on it was an inside job,
Yeah, I think it was.I think the insurance guy is just

(54:00):
key in this whole of episode ofI think the father had something to do
with it. I think the firechief and the responders. Yeah, uh,
the guy there was planning to breakinto the place and cut the wires.

(54:23):
I mean, it's just all ofthis. I think you can't even
a coincidence in this matter is justway out of the question. This is
this is something that they put together, even the jury. You might like
picture of the fire chiefs shown upand like his buttons are off like this,

(54:49):
maybe his underwear is up over likefire hat is slightly sideways. He's
wearing suspend and a belt and youcan still see the crack. And I'm

(55:09):
wondering if the first thing when hegot in contact, he was like,
well, can we get a bucketline going to the house. It's eighteen
miles, it'll be a really longbucket line. Uh. His dalmatian has
an eye that just goes like this. He just shows up drunk, just

(55:31):
like what that would make more senseif he's has put a heart in a
box. No, the best wayis he drinking? And good No,
that that's him. That's that's that'sthat's fireman Billy. Oh god, like,

(55:54):
oh my god. If everybody wasin the war and he was the
one that got left behind, thenBilly was special. He was the one
going around town when he was ofthe short bus and giving people tickets like
you're obviously violating code fifteen, andhe would give them taking They're like okay,

(56:15):
Billy, and they would put himon it. And then he became
fire chief because nobody else was therein that town. I do want to
say that the youngest child of allof them is still alive. Wow,
the one that the other they werelike, I mean they were only three
years old when it happened, sothey wouldn't have any recollection. But yeah,

(56:38):
I mean that that's a show,guys. I mean, and again
to everybody that's listening, I throwout the facts that I do know.
There is a lot more details thatyou can always search on your own.
There's plenty of stuff out there.I do like how we kind of concluded
everything and all came together degree onthe subject evolution. You threw out some
great facts and then Patrick bat wasup right good job for both of you,

(57:01):
guys, Like you made the lightcome on in my head between the
two of you, man like that, because once you started talking about it,
I was like, oh fuck yeah. Well because it's we were approaching
it from a negative perspective instead ofmaybe this was an act of humanity.

(57:23):
M h right, right. Idon't think it was altruistic. I think
the insuranceation got some got some scratchout of it. I mean he was
doing him a service, you know. I mean even uh Shindler had to

(57:45):
pay, you know, an earringand things to get the Jews bought out
of the thing. So you know, I had to I wonder, how
are you if this was how ithappened, how he approached it. He's
like like, like, dude,I got this great idea. You're gonna
lose half your kids. Hear meout, hear me out. I guess
I should go back. Okay,I started to too many steps down,

(58:13):
or did he? Because there aresome of us could be like, you're
gonna lose half your kids? Keeptalking? Why only half realistically? Why
only half talking rookie numbers? Ifwe're throwing in finances too, who's just

(58:37):
say he didn't go to the bankor the agency. And it's like,
hey, you know, is therea chance I get alone? And they're
like, well, actually, you'rekind of strapped. But I got an
idea. Yeah, you got twotrucks that don't run. What what That's
a good possibility, man. Imean, if the finances could can people

(59:00):
do all kinds of crazy shit,especially if you got take kids and you
don't need them. And this iseighty years ago. I mean you really
have to think of because you Imean, you know we're all old enough
to remember that. You know,even you know, thirty five forty years
ago, you could get away witha lot more than you could today.
Imagine eighty years ago, you hadno cameras, no nothing, I mean,

(59:22):
you know, you could just assumesomebody's identity going to the graveyard and
saying, well, hey, theydied around the year they were born,
around the year I was born.So you know, yeah, now I'm
Tom Jackson. Uh. You know. So it was a lot easier to
get away with stuff, and everythingwas nothing was digitized, nothing was permanent.

(59:43):
I mean it was all on paperand stuff, so you could fudge
stuff, you could destroy stuff,recover stuff, and you know, yeah,
there's a lot less permanence. Uhthen and a lot less evidence.
I mean, shit, now everybody'sgot a cell phone and stuff. You
know, if it was today,you would have a fucking video. The
kids would be tiktoking while they wereclimbing out the windows. They're actually at

(01:00:07):
a house party like five now,you know. So you talk about the
insurance guy being in on it andhim getting some scratch from it, maybe
he didn't maybe just throw this outthere because the disposition of the ladder has

(01:00:27):
been bothered me. What if whenhe was the father's bringing up his woes,
he's like, he's like, Icouldn't pay you any money, and
the insurance guy was like, youknow, I really could use the new
ladder. Who's to say that themom isn't behind it, and that maybe
she's having an affair with the insuranceguy and that the phone call with him,

(01:00:49):
and then she's like, yeah,they're all here, they're all asleep,
the kids. Here's where all thekids are one and we actually,
yeah, get half them out,you know, I will. And actually
the ones that survived it was alittle girl, a seventeen year old girl,

(01:01:10):
the one that was in the war. So it was the two old
so the twenty three year old inthe in the nineteen year old boy because
the twenty one year old was overseas. Okay, so it was three.
It was three older boys, twogirls. Five void what and everybody's image
of boys and girls back then,Well, girls needed to be coddled and

(01:01:34):
this, and then girls needed tobe you know, the da da da
da dad boys. Boys had tobe tough. And so, yeah,
if I had to lose five kidsback in those days mentality, I would
pick my five youngest boys. Yeah, because the oldest ones they're on their
own. But the two girls,you know, you don't want to lose
the three year old girl because she'sa little princess and stuff. You don't

(01:01:54):
want to lose the seventeen year oldgirl because she's kind of learning and athing
and how to you know, howto be a woman and all that stuff.
And she's gonna be taking care ofthe three year old and this and
that and you know, and thisis I mean, this is the old
way of thinking to where women arebarefoot in the kitchen and pumping out ten
kids. Uh you know, somom might have been fed up. Mom

(01:02:17):
might have been like, look,my uterus is hanging down to my knees.
I look hideous. Yeah, Ihave pads, I have I have
an alternate theory to pats blown oututerus. Okay, what if you know,

(01:02:43):
if we're talking stereotypes teenage girls,all they do all day on the
phone yak yack, yeah, yahyak. The dad loses his ship and
he's like, you know what,fuck this. He goes out, he
cuts the phone lines. The seventeenyear old daughter throws a tantrum downstairs.

(01:03:04):
Fuck you, I hate this family. I'm just gonna burn the house down.
She passes out downstairs, she setsthe fire, she helps get the
kids out. Oh yeah, becauseI mean it helps her look innocent.

(01:03:25):
I'm actually leaning towards jukebox history ofthe mother and the insurance guy. She
did her the only the only thingthat we know is based on what she
said. And if she said itwas the wrong call, yeah, I
think it was the right call.He's like ready to go. I got
everything in place, let's do this. Look. I already went down and

(01:03:49):
my oldest had passed out on thecouch. The little ones in my room.
The other ones are over here.Just go get them and then we'll
make this happen. You know what, You're all wrong. He was sleeping
with the fire chief, and whenshe asked him up, fire chief says,
don't worry. I got a cowheart my door, and I am

(01:04:16):
very passed. I could get thereat seven eight hours, driving around the
block, bits in the turn,oh man, knocking on people's doors.
Is this the house that's on fire? Do you see a fire? Motherfucker?

(01:04:39):
Okay, I just keep picturing OfficerDoofy from the uh movies from Scream
Yeah, yeah, scary movie.Yeah, Officer Doofy from scary movie.
Is this where the fire is?It's like, no, Chief, this

(01:05:00):
is the fire station. Okay,what the five kids that were taking weren't
actually George's. They were actually theinsurance agents. Okay, they did look
a lot like did they show apicture of the insurance agent. No,
I didn't get any pictures of him. And actually a lot of the pictures

(01:05:23):
are really faded, and I meanit's hard to get anything. I wouldn't
I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn'tbe surprised if uh, all the kids
were George and Mary's. Is thather name, Susan, You're close.
So if they were all George's andJenny's and stuff, but they couldn't afford

(01:05:45):
the kids and stuff, maybe themom was the mastermind on the family side,
and you know, George was obliviousto everything. Maybe Mom set the
things up with the insurance salesman,Hey, get George to to get life
in and signed the kids and Georgewas like fuck you, you know,
because he wasn't in on the plane, right. But yeah, maybe Jenny

(01:06:09):
thought that George would go for it, right. So maybe they were arguing
outside. He didn't like the idea, but maybe Mom liked the idea.
Yeah, could have been that too. Mom signed the paperwork later. Yeah,

(01:06:30):
I think I think the kids.I mean I think the kids survived,
and you know, they might stillbe alive and yeah, I know,
now, yeah, I think oneof the kids went on and moved
to Hollywood and is now Martin's corsets. There you go, So let's go
around. What do you think evolution? Where you where are you going?

(01:06:54):
Oh? Man, I'm still stuckon the insurance guy. But but because
of the recent conversations, I'm thinkingmom might have had a little bit more
to do with it than that.I think the whole community had some type
of involvement in this scenario, especiallywith the jury getting together so fast.

(01:07:19):
But definitely the insurance guy's key becausehe's in basically all the conversations in all
places. Uh. And and Iactually think he's the one that got the
got the five kids out well.And I think as much as we point
the finger at him, he mighthave let it. But I think somebody

(01:07:42):
else was coming to him for thedirection hm hmm. Like whether it was
the dad or whether it was themom, I don't know, but I
think. But but the thing aboutthe ladder missing, that that's just weird.
I'm stuck the only the only uhoh, I got the only word,

(01:08:10):
the only word we have about theladder is the dad saying, well,
I always had a ladder there.Mom said, well, it was
a party that called, so momand dad could have both been in on
it. Yeah, I always havea ladder right outside, leaning up on
my house, right to my kidswindow. Who doesn't. This is Fayetteville
nineteen forty five. That's in thecounty charter. Yeah. Right, that's

(01:08:36):
how the kids get out, right. No, and I think evolution is
right. The kids did get outvia the ladder. But here's the thing.
If you have neighbors that are close, Like the dude that lived next
to us, his name was Bill, dude always had like certain things outside
of his house, Like we alwayshad an extension ladder that was leaned up

(01:08:57):
against the east side of our housefor years and we would just leave it
there and use it. So ifyou were to ask Bill, who would
come over from time to time,you know, he would probably be able
to tell you like, yeah,they've always got a ladder on the side
of their house. People would knowjust visually if they had neighbors that close,
so they could back up a statementlike that. I don't it's just

(01:09:21):
such a weird throwaway for that.The ladder thing Yeah, I really think
it was just a dumb I thinkwe're we we got that. I think
the fire chief was just a fuckingidiot. I really do. Yeah.
But Sean, which way are youleaning on this? I think when evolution

(01:09:45):
pointed out the the two day timeframe, that's what really threw me for
a loop because then it's like,you know, again going back to even
with you know, if it's oneof those small towns where it's like,
you know, the cop is alsothe judge or whatever, you know,

(01:10:06):
like one of those situations two daysto impanel a jury rule on something,
you know, and be able todo a full investigation on a fire.
It's just it is too fast,too fast, right, So that tells

(01:10:28):
me that there is either some corruption, malfeasance whatever going on, or back
to the thing where it's I justI feel like this was a move where
they need this, family needed this, and everybody kind of came together on
it, and the fire chief wasjust the next factor of being a fucking

(01:10:55):
moron that was thrown into the mix. Benefits the store, like the whole
thing in general, because it throwseverything off. Yeah, yeah, but
thank you, Pat. Yeah.The red Herring, so red herring too
fast. And you know, ifthe insurance guy was one of the main

(01:11:17):
ones behind this, I could totallysee him telling it a dude, go
out do that. You know youcan score here, do this, or
just hiring him to do it,you know, and nobody there's no where
you'll get convicted. Right. Thatseems to fit in my head. So
I think that's where I'm landing,is that it was an altruistic thing and

(01:11:41):
you know what's you got Patrick,I'm thinking insurance guy was the kingpin behind
the whole thing. He was,Yeah, he was the mover in shaker.
Whether at least one parent was involved, and the more I think about
it, the more I think itwas mom that was involved. And whether

(01:12:04):
it was mom that went to himor he went to mom, Yeah,
I think that's irrelevant. Actually,now that I'm thinking about I'm thinking maybe
Mom went to him and he putthe ball the wheels in motion, and
I'm thinking that he orchestrated the jurything. He was able to get all

(01:12:26):
that, but then he was alsoable to convince the town like, Hey,
if we hurry up on this,we can get them out of here.
He was playing both sides. Wedon't like them in this town.
We could get them the fuck outof here pretty quick if we just expedite
everything, and you know, we'lljust you know, we'll pay him off,
We'll do whatever, just so wecould get him out of here.
It's it's the insurance money. Soyou know, I think that he was

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the he was the main he wasthe keystone of the whole thing. He
was he was the main player ofit. And you know, he facilitated
getting the kids out of there.He facilitated you know, uh did just
the dude with the with the breakingin and stuff. I think he facilitated
everything. Uh and uh. IAnd I think he got to pay out

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of some sort on it. Andyou know, and I agree with the
other two that keftin b Fart wasjust fucking it was comic relief in this
horrible story. I agree, Ido. I think it was the mom,
and I think it worked out thebest. And if it was her,
because she's like, he's known aroundtown as the guy who everybody argues

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with, it'd be easy to kindof distract everybody with that factor. And
I'm going to the insurance age,like, hey, we're having financial struggles.
He's too incompetent to fest up andsay yeah, we're actually in a
bind. I need some help.Can you help me out? And over
a few months he's like, Okay, you know, I am gonna I

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got this, you know, justI'll work with you. But you're gonna
have to give up some of thekids. I mean, I know,
you get you know, we canmake it work to where they're still safe
blah lot and we all get cutout of it and it'll be fine.
But that's that's the route I'm going. M hmm. I wonder. I
wonder if she was like, hey, Tony, Guido, Polie, Sammy,

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Well, if it was a trueItalian family, it'd be more like
a Tony Tony Tony. Okay,the more I will add this real quick,
if you don't mind, I Ithe more you're you're speaking on I
think because of if the mom didit, then actually that would lend credence

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to the fact that the argument outin front of the house was legitimate because
right was coming to talk to himabout doing that stuff prior to it happening,
and the guy was like, whywould I do that? Are you
crazy? Even though the mom andhim are in cahoots that would make total

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sense, that argument being legitimate atthis point. Yeah, yeah, okay,
that's right. Yeah, I thinkmom's involved more than dad. Maybe
dad was involved, but I thinkI think it was I think it was
mom and the insurance agent. No, I no, thy necessarily that they
were that they were fucking, butyou know, I think that they were
working together. Yep. If Hollywoodwere to make the movie, they they

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would be they would have been bangingand you know, every other kid would
have been his and you know,but in reality, yeah, yeah,
Kevin James would have played Captain bPeart. Well, I you know,
I do want to wrap this up. Guys, everybody that's tuning in.
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