March 24, 2025 • 52 mins
Amnesia or just plain stupid? Join Ev.O.Lution, Sean Shank and Patrick Gaughan while we discuss this guy's disappearance and reappearance 🤔
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
So clearly they endured something pretty intense.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
There was two women, yes, and seven guys, So to me,
that's a problem already.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Eyebrows missing burn marks, eyeballs missing tone missing.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, the bones decay to that degree in just four years.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I just want to see that type of dagle.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
There's just so much that's talk about every on those sides.
Both sides seem real suspect. I know it's the South,
so maybe dental records are a bit trickier down there.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
They only have maybe one or two cheeks to identify
them by.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Have you guys ever had that, Like you've driven by
a house in the middle of nowhere, You're like, I
don't wonder who live there?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh yeah, this is gonna be one of those what's happening? Everybody?
Welcome back to JJ's lounge. We're back with another There
you go, Evolution, you got the evolution request sent blocking
it again, Patrick Man I requested all of you to unmute.
(01:24):
There we go. Is everybody back? Patrick's back, You're back,
Sean back. We're good.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I can read, I can read, I just can't see.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Thank you everybody for tuning back and to another show.
Here on JJ's Lounge. We're figuring it out solely but surely, well,
most of us are figuring it out. We're back with
another episode of Singed Eye Sockets with our two co hosts.
We got evolution.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
How you doing, man, Hey, I'm doing great.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
A little bit of rest today, so I'm excited about
the journey too, coming out here pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So I'm almost done with it. I'm really excited about it. It's
definitely a little step up from the first one. Next up,
we've got Sean shank Man.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
How you doing, I, you know, to be perfectly frank,
I'm sore as shit. I am sore as shit. I
started coaching a college wrestling program and these kids are
in their twenties. I am forty nine, and my body
is just like, what the are you doing? Dude?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
That's fair. I don't know never I've never really coached wrestling.
I don't know that I ever could. I did wrestling
one season in middle school and I won one match.
That's because the guy didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Hey, A win's a winn baby.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And then we've got our guest tonight. He's been on
one of these shows before with us. Well, he's been
on a lot of the JJ Lounge shows, but he's
been on one of the SENTI before. We're happy to
have him back. Patrick manheide doing I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Doing well, you know, enjoying my paid medical leave.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I know that too well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Recently, recently on St. Patty's Day, did a charity comedy thing.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Right yeah, Lawrence Kansas at Elmo's Pub or Almos Bar,
did about fifteen minutes to Okay, Sean, we'll do a
little sidebark here. But Sean, you're you're an established comedian,
so you'll know this. This was a bar show that
went well. So bar shows are notorious for sucking. People
(03:48):
don't want to pay attention. People just want to watch TV.
People they did they don't give a shit about comedy.
We had that in the back of the pub, but
in the front there was a table of four, two couple,
and then there was this one lady sitting at the bar.
Those five people came and they came to laugh, and
they laughed so hard that I was just like, I
don't give a shit about everybody else. I even putted
(04:11):
it out. I was like, Okay, I'm not even looking
around the bar I'm looking at you, guys, because you're
the only motherfucker's paying attention. They made the show totally worthwhile,
you know. Yeah, it was a blast. It was a
good bar show something that. Yeah, that's like the unicorn
of it. It's like a good charity event, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's it just doesn't happen, frankly.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
So I will be back there for anybody in the Lawrence,
Kansas area, great of Kansas City area. I will be
back there doing twenty minutes at the Almost Showcase on
the twenty seventh, so a week from tomorrow. It's at
ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We got a few people on the network that on
Facebook there are in the Lawrence in well Kan't City area.
There's quite a few of them.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So yeah, well, I mean, if we're doing this, then
for them Lawrence, Kansas. I will be in Muskegon, Michigan
this Friday.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So I actually do have a lot of underground laugh
lounge crew that follow me as well on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I went the commuters from Kansas to co see my show.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
We'll just well caravan, they'll come to my show. I'll
drive up to your carpool.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well carpool, that'd be a pretty cheap carpool. I think
we could probably get like how many think would show
like five or six. We just pair up.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm worth the drag folks.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That I believe that I believe, all right, So everybody's
got their stuff plugged. Journey to is almost wrapped up.
That's exciting, and then there's gonna be a Journey three
coming fun doing like biography. I don't even know if
it's like a biography, but it's like evolutions journeys to
the Philippines each time it goes and like the Progress documentary, yeah,
(06:08):
it's more of a documentary.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
But anybody tuning in right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Now and feel free to jump in the commentary. We're
gonna be doing a deep dive on a guy named
Lawrence Bader aka Larry Bater. He was some funny.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
To angle that joke in this.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's gonna get You're gonna find lots of jokes in
this because well and there's a few things I left
out till the end, which you know, you guys know me,
I kind of just do that. Well, let's kind of
dive in here. So it's nineteen twenty six. Uh, Larry's
born in Akron, Akron, Ohio, they corrected me before the show.
I guess it's Akron, Ohio, which is kind of like
(06:50):
the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. He was born in like
a wealthier area, a very outdoorsy, wore a lot of
bucks and clothes, was in archery. He dropped out of
high school. I didn't get a lot of like his
childhood because there wasn't a lot to dig up. But
(07:11):
that's really not the point of what we're going to
be discussing tonight. He did drop out of high school
to join the Navy. After about eighteen months, he came
home and died a Akron University, but before he worked
at a campus restaurant where he learned to bartend. Fast
forward to nineteen fifty seven. So we're jumping. We're jumping
(07:33):
quite a bit here. Larry is a kitchen appliance salesman.
He's married to a lady named Mary lou So. Larry
and Mary lou have three children and one on the way.
They live in a wealthier neighborhood in West Hills in Akron, Ohio.
May fifteenth, nineteen fifty seven. Larry tells his wife he
(07:56):
has to go see about a few bad checks that
were written to him. Again, he's a kitchen applying salesman,
so people write about checks. Uh, and then he might
go fishing. So so far all we know is, yeah,
he's an average guy. There's there's not really anything. A
lot of his friends say that he's just easy to like,
like to drink beer, He's easy to have conversations with,
(08:19):
love to tell stories and do what. Oh, I thought
you were talking to me, Patrick.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I didn't say the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I thought you said something as your dog talking. Oh
you know what, I bet you this evolution your background.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yes, since my background, it's all good. Anyways.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So that afternoon Larry uh goes and deals with his checks,
and then he goes to a place called Rocky River
Livery is it livery or livery livery livery? Uh, you're
near Cleveland. The owner said that although the weather was calm,
there was a storm coming and Larry went wanted to
rent a boat. He advised against it, and Larry was
(09:04):
very insistent about getting a boat. The owner also acknowledged
that Larry had a suitcase with him and he took
it with him with the boat, and at four point
thirty Larry went on to Lake Erie. Three hours later,
a storm hits and Larry's gone. He never comes home.
(09:25):
The following day, coastguards find the boat at Perkins Beach,
which is about five miles from where he set out,
and the body had minor scratches, a bit propeller. The
only things that were really missing were one of the oars, Larry,
and his suitcase. So, so far, what do you guys
(09:48):
have throw?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I would like to go first. Yes, there was a
movie in the late eighties early nineteen nineties with Julia
Roberts called Sleeping with the Enemy, and this sounds really
really close to the beginning of that movie. I don't
want to cast the excursions on the rest of your story,
but man, Larry.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You guys will easily find out what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So I'm just I'm thrown out a guess there. But
there's one more thing I do want to mention. I
did study up on this a bit before the cast
and jel Larry had a brother named Garth.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I knew he had siblings, yes, the Garth part. No,
I didn't know he had siblings because they are mentioning this,
but I don't think that's the correct name.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Took a second, but oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I do want to acknowledge that, and he said this
episode could use some more stocking talk. That is the last.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Vinnie. Vinnie, if you're still watching, comment the name of
your book because I want to pick it up.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I can actually send you the direct link to it.
But you know what, Vinny, people will see the comments.
They'll throw it out there. Anyways. Yeah, absolutely, Vinnie was
on our last show consistently and consistent.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Can I mention my book? Okay? So I just got
this book and it's mine. It's called Behind the Beautiful
Forever's by Catherine Boo. I didn't write it, but I
own it, so it's my book. I just want to
to you guys, how is it?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Is it a good read?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's one of the best stories. It's okay, So it
is a creative nonfiction about life and the slums behind
luxury hotels in India. Is the most heartbreaking, awesome stories
ever written. That woman is a freaking all right evolution.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
What you got so far based off what little information
I've told you, Well.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I really don't have much. It just seems like the
guy went fishing and he came up missing. Yeah, with
the storm and whatnot. I'm just kind of waiting for
a little bit more so I can dig off deep
into it.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Mhm h. The coast guards did say that, do do
how rough the storm was, it was pretty much impossible
if somebody was tossed overboard to survive. So he did. Uh.
He was presumed dead by the local authorities. It took
two years for them to actually, you know, say you're dead.
You know, he was officially dead for his wife, Mary
(12:39):
lu to claim his life insurance. Because if somebody goes missing,
unless there's proof that they are deceased, you can't you
can't just get their money. You can't just get that
life insurance. I don't know if anybody knows how that
stuff works, and even I don't know one hundred percent.
But that kind of sucks for her because she's stuck
with these three four fourth kid on the way. By
this time, you know, she's had the kids. She's struggling.
(13:01):
So not a lot of this is about Mary Luis.
She'll pop up here and there, But so far, that's
what I got. Returning from the name, so we're jumping
forward four days. So returning from the Navy, just four
days after a man by the name of John Fritz
Johnson enters the Round Table Bar in Omaha, Nebraska, asking
(13:23):
for a bartending job. I'm sure you guys are gonna
start piecing this skitter pretty quick. He liked classical music
and archery, bought a hearse and had a built in
lounge area in the back. He was well liked in town,
and he was doing stuff like raising money for a
polio charity where he sat on a flagpole for thirty days.
(13:45):
So he really kind of built this line of likeness,
eccentric likeness to him from the town. A lot of
people liked him. He had a very similar personality to
Larry I'm sure in nineteen fifty nine, so this is
two years after he became a local radio host in Omaha.
(14:08):
Let's see, let's keep going down here. By nineteen sixty one,
so he goes from being in a married life to decease,
and now this other guy shows up and he quickly
climbs the ladder to like this very well known, publicly
recognized figure. By nineteen sixty one, he is married to
(14:30):
a lady named Nancy Zimmer who had a stepdaughter, and
then they had a son together. He ended up getting
a job at a local TV station where he became
the sports director, and he continued to excel at archery
and told people that he took it on as a
hobby to help with his back injury from the Navy.
We'll take a little pause right here as I keep
(14:51):
flying through this and see what you guys got.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, it's starting to line up, for sure, especially with
the archery. More especially with the archery. Uh yeah, this
is pretty much starting to sound like the identical person
that we were speaking about before.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sleeping with the Enemy one two. This guy has amazing
sphincter control to sit on a pole for thirty days.
I mean literally the concentration that he had to add.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I didn't know apparently that was an I didn't know
that was an actual thing, like a flagpole sitter was
an actual thing.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I wonder if that Harvey Danger song is about him? No,
I mean serious, you know the song I'm talking about, right, Yeah,
I know, it's just I'm appreciating this is obscure reference
podcast night.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Sorry, my dog can bargein here.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Go. I will say on the first part ship we
lost him. Uh, I will say on the first part
of what you were, the first part when he went fishing,
I know, when I go fishing, I always bring my
suitcakes with.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Me, exactly the same here because it kind of throws
things off though, because like, the more I get into it,
either this guy's a complete moron or he legitimately Well,
I'm not gonna keep talking about We'll tell you that.
What what do you think, Sean?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, So what was the new guy's name?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Uh? John John Fritz Johnson. He was very clever with
the name. John Fritz Johnson went by Fritz.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Okay, John Friz Johnson Okay. And then Larry and Mary.
I just know it's a lot of alliteration.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Uh, and then Fritz, Mary's Nancy mm hmm okay, Zimmer
Nancy Zimmer.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Great names. I again, this just do you guys know
what I'm talking about with the sleeping in the with
the enemy reference?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, I feel like I've seen it, but it had
to be like a.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Two long ago. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So basically, Julia is getting you know, abused domestic abuse
by this her husband who's a complete control freak narcissist,
beating the shit out of all the time. So she
fakes her death by going out on a boating trip
and you know, she gets washed away at sea, but
she comes back and starts a whole new life and
(17:36):
another town and everything. And this just I'm telling you
from the very beginning reeks of it. But if this
guy is trying to start a new life, being high profile,
like literally climbing ladders to get on poles and being
involved in sports, entertainment and everything is not really the
way to lay low. So that's right now.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No, right, you know, he's and that's the other thing.
That's like you said, laylow, he's not doing that, you know,
And Omaha is only about eight hundred miles from where
he set off to Lake Ay.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, but this was back in the fifties and sixties.
Eight hundred miles is one thing today, but back then
yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the car you know, and train ride,
so yeah, you can bet two.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
They wouldn't know, right, What were you gonna say? Evolution?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, you know, I'm connecting the Dutch here. Of course,
I already says something about the archer archery connection, but
there's also a military connection. And this guy is a
radio personality, which that's where I think the issue is
because even though he's eight hundred miles away, a lot
of people back then their entertainment was listening to the radio.
(18:53):
So if his ex wife, of course.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'm not even ex wife because he never got divorced.
He just disappeared, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
True, But he was pronounced dead, so she knows his
voice right, right, so she could pick that up. She
could basically put two and two together. But yeah, he's
not lay alone at all. He's not doing much thinking
in this one.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
He was a morning radio host, because then it would
be hey, hey, hey, fritzing in the morning, the slide whistles,
welcome to Fritzing in the scrow Dome.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's I did pick up during the research that during
this time that Lake Erie is actually extremely polluted, and
I think at one point the lake itself actually lit
on fire, so it was.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
It was so polluted that yeah, one part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, w so for them to think that, you know,
he was dead was I mean, it's pretty easy to
kind of just come up to that assumption, not just
because of the storm but by the pollution of the water.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, we know anything about Lake Erie, she never gives
up her dead. That's what I've heard.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Any of the lakes, if anybody's been up to like
those lakes up in that area. They're massive.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean I used to yeah, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, I visited Grand Rapids and I'm not sure what
lake that is, but I mean it was. It looks
like the damn ocean. It's huge.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, I was just up there last summer. We popped
up there after riot Fest.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Lake Erie never gives up her dead. Nobody's ever heard
of Gordon Lightfoot. For fox sake, people, you know, I've
never the whole thing. Startzerald, thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I thought it was Lake Michigan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Your little story.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, I'm going to continue here. Okay, all right.
So so Larry's love for archery and ends up leading
him to a second part time job as an advisor
for archery companies. So he travels to trade shows and
demonstrates their stuff. Uh and and Sean's over here cracking
up what you got, man? While you let this? Is
this also part of sleeping with the enemy? Is this
(21:26):
part of sleeping with the enemy?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
No, she did not go. You know, like, I'm going
to take a job where I have to travel where
people you me might see me. Keep going. This guy's
a moron.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's why I'm like, Man, I don't know, if this
dude's like legitimately just a moron, or if he has no.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Idea, I'm thinking drink the water.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So in nineteen sixty four, his Fritz is a local
celebrity doing really well. He ends up with a malignant
brain tumor which is found behind his eye and the
unfortunately they have to remove it. Wow, but that actually
only increases his celebrity status. Him wearing an eyepatch on
TV just boosted his numbers. All right, yeah, we are cruising.
(22:26):
I mean we're doing pret goods twenty two ments already.
February second, nineteen sixty five, Fritz is at a sporting
goods show in Chicago for an archery company. H and
Akron local was also at the show and was suspicious
about Fritz as soon as he heard him talk, and
he ends up looking at him and instead of just
talking to him, he calls his niece Suzanne Pica, which
(22:51):
is who comes down. She flies down there. I'm guessing
it was like a weekend long thing. It doesn't really specify,
but well exposed.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I mean they're like they're wild, they're five to six
dayes and so much. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, because there ends up being multiple people that come
to come to be like, no, this is you.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Well, in the sixties and seventies you had that, you know,
Persimmon to titanium, the crossover. It was just it was
a wild time in archery.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Well, and don't forget all the Ted talks, you know,
Fletch you I mean, god, that's hours of entertainment.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, how to hang your target? That was telling?
Speaker 7 (23:35):
How did think?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Here's the first of all, how the hell did the
guy from Akron recognize him anyway? Because I would see
that and be like, uh, you know, it kind of
sounds like Larry, but Larry was never a pirate yet
everybody from so I.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Mean he did.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He did go to the sea or the lakes.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You got that brain tumor from drinking the water along
with his memory last.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah, I'll be at.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So anyways, Susanna ends up flying down there to see
it for herself, and she confronts him saying, hey, aren't
you my my lost uncle from eight years ago? Uh?
He laughs, confused, and she and says he's not. He said,
I'm Frid's I'm John Fritz. And she's insisting like, hey, no,
you're you're my uncle. So she takes him. Uh, he's
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he willingly goes with her to a phone where she
calls Larry's other siblings and they talked to him on
the phone and they're like, no, You're like, this is you.
So they fly down there. Wow, yes, and they.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Con he's stuck around he waited.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah. No, he's willingly doing all of these things.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Must have when he fell out the boat.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So after they fly to Chicago, you know, he meets
up with them. The brothers like, no, you're definitely our brother.
And he still denies that. He's he's like, I've never
even been to akron Ohio. A Crown, a corn Ohio,
A corn Ohio spelled it wrong, guys. Uh, Fritz did
(25:24):
tell a report that one of them had a striking
resemblance and similar voice to him.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Shocking.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
He agrees to go to the police station with the brothers, uh,
where the FBI is sent fingerprints and they compare it
to his naval fingerprints, and of course they're the same guy.
I'm shocked. I'm sure you guys are so shocked.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
He's still he still denies it. He still denies any
connection with with anything to do with akron Ohio. He
says that he would have never agreed to the fingerprints
if he knew about it, if he was like knowingly
trying to hide it, he never would have done any
of these things.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
What come on, I mean you knew they were about
to do the fingerprints, right, I mean you could have
been like.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
The restroom.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
There are rare amdesia cases. I mean there's very rare.
I'm not trying to defend this dude. To me, it
sounds like he's just a moron. But assuming that there
was some crazy accident on the boat and he somehow
got amnesia, it is, there are cases where it does.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Happen, okay, with the enemy.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Overboard archery, archery, Mikhale's navy.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, what was his rank in the navy? You?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I didn't. I didn't find any of that out.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
There's there's wasn't He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
He wasn't only did no, he only did eighteen months,
So he didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He didn't achieve the rank of master chief.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Right, there's nothing in there about what his rank was.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I got it, I got it.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
What you got.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He understands, No, I don't know. I I get that
he gets it, but I don't get it. So please
explain my ignorance.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Its last name, and we're saying Master, over and over master.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So Larry returns and still insists he uh has clear
memories of growing up as an orphan in Boston and
serving two years in the navy. Uh, but that never happened.
He's hospitalized for ten days and they do several mental
studies on them, and doctors couldn't determine that he was
(28:08):
willfully deceiving anybody, which kept him from being charged with
fraud or big m I can volition. I hear you.
You're kid in the background. It's hilarious. It's all good man.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You barely hear it.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's just funny. Yes, you got an icon, that bro.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You got a busy household right here one it's a
podcast showing on the other end of his video games.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, you're online competition.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I just had to shove my dog out the door,
so I got you right. Yeah, And Shawn's over there,
like you guys should just keep going with this show.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Just be very well behaved over here.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So, while in the hospital, he does make a statement
that he must assume that he is still married to
Mary Lou and he needs to say separated from Nancy.
Oh and shocking, shocking, what's got Sean? Now?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
What the fuck is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You had a kid with her too?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, he's a pole sitter. What do you expect.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
All you have to do was pulled the w C
Fields with get away from a kid? You bother me,
just like when she was coming, you're my uncle. Now
the fuck I'm not get away from me. I'm gonna
call security, right And then when when she's going to
get somebody get out of there?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, way, you know, just leave?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
But no, he's like, I'll willingly go with you here
and I'll meet the rest of the family.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Idiot.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I feel like had this been like three or four
decades later, he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Sir, especially with being a radio host or any sort
of celebrity in any kind of size town.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Okay, I gotta hear the rest of this. What happens
to this?
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We're actually about done. It's only been half an hour,
but it's all good. Uh. Nancy obviously is very confused
and ends up getting the marriage, and Old Mary Lou
makes a statement saying that she is part of the
Catholic church that does not believe in divorce and that
her kids need a father.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Okay, okay, okay, let's let's let's sit there for a second, because.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
This is eight years, by the way, everybody, I just
want to know eight years.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
If you can't catch the hint on that one, I
don't think your religion. Maybe your religion is a big
to you. But after something like that occurs, you just
gotta let that will go.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
If they if they found the guy, the first thing
you want to do is murder him. Yeah, make him disappear.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I mean collect again, right.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I was just about to ask, though, what about the
insurance money? Because now that he's come fast.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So the I R. S Does come after him for
all that? Yeah that it says that.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Let's see here.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Fritz was terminated from the local TV station in Omaha.
He continued as a bartender. In August, Mary Lou and
the children reunite with him, and he still insists he
has no idea of anything.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wow, that would suck for his kids, you know, it
would suck for his wife. Yeah, it would definitely suck
for the kids, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So that's before I saw the last little bit of
information in here. Do you guys think that this was
intentional or he actually did have amnesia?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'll take the first step at this because of the tumor,
I think maybe that MTA had some effects on his
brain function. But that's the only thing I can give him,
you know, anything other than that, maybe he bumped his
head hard when he fell out the boat and drank
some of the water. But outside of that, this guy
(32:32):
was just really stupid. That's what I got.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
So my biggest part that that throws me off here
is how like invested he was in growing as a
celebrity in the community. Like if he was trying to hide,
you think he either would have went further away or
been a little bit more secretive about his identity like
him in general.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Yeah, what do.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You guys got Do.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
You want to go? You want me to go?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
No, go for it, pack because I'm still organizing my
thoughts on this.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Okay. Uh So we just did the Idiom show earlier
in the week. It was an idiom probably go with
before the fall. I think this motherfucker was so cocky
that he thought he was gonna get away with all
this bullshit. He's like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll talk to
the family, I'll get fingerprinted. Sure, bring your mom out here.
(33:31):
I'll have sex with her and she can compare what
it's like. A it's gonna be different. I swear this
son of a bitch. She thought he was gonna get
away with it. Yeah, celebrity thing. I think, you know,
because if he got knocked on the head and got amnesia,
how the fuck does he end up in Omaha from Akron?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah it's acorn. We clarified this as acorn.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
She ended up and in the hospital. So he made
it out there, and he was like, oh, I'm gonna
do this. Oh I got away with that. Oh they
want me to be this little radio host. I got
away with that. Oh I can be on TV. I
got away with that. I gotta wait. And you know,
and his ego is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
(34:19):
So yeah, I just think that he was a cocky loft.
Now was it wife to that divorced him and another
and wife one was bonded by this archaic bond uh.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, the Catholic religion.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Yeah, we got him harry once and he only beats
me a little bit. So it's good. That's what Jesus wants.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Beat the wife right, he did.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
He didn't touch her for the last eight years.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
So I think that this guy is just a cocky
fucker and he got busted.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
What you got, Sean, Well, first of all, I am
a little bit upset with the three.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Of you.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Good origion as a whole, because any good Catholic woman
knows how to take a punch, first of all. Second
of all, Second of all, I am in line with
(35:37):
Pat and I will I will tell you why. And
it's not just because of his glorious beard. If if
it weren't for one thing, I could buy into the
tumor excuse. I really could because like when my mom
before she passed her her lung cancer metastasized and went
to her brain and we got to sit court side
(36:00):
to watch memories change and personality change and all this
other stuff and see like the sundowning and going in
and out of who she was into what she became,
Like got to watch it happen. So I can get
that except for one thing, the suitcase. The suitcase makes
it makes no damn sense on the boat, and he
(36:23):
was so insistent about it. It was it was it
was pre playing. I'm sorry, but it's just, you know,
I don't believe in coincidences. And if he had just
not done that, I mean, why why bring a suitcase
just if you're gonna if you're gonna leave it all behind,
leave it all behind.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know if you know this, but back in then,
in like that time frame, instead of using tackle boxes
to fish, they use suitcases.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I'm sorry, what did your what did your commentators said that?
I think'st.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Throw all your lures and you're in your hooks and
your pull gear, all in your tack, in your suitcase
and just go fishing. Man.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
You can tell the pros because he had the steamer.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And if you're not wearing a Buckskin jackie, you're definitely
doing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah. So, I think this guy was just the epitome
of hubris and thought that he could get away from
with it all, so much so that in the midst
of getting caught red handed by the knees, he leaned
into it like I'll get away with this, No, dude, No.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So here's the last bit of information I have, which
just kind of hits the nail on the head before
his disappearance Larry did have quite a bit of debt
and had not paid his taxes in five years the
day of him renting the boat. On top of dealing
with the bad checks, Larry also raised and paid in
full his life insurance premium. The following day when the
(38:02):
boat was found, the coast guards also acknowledged that the
boat was out of gas and the gas line had
been disconnected, which is not something that just happens by accident.
And then in September of nineteen sixty six, so just
shortly after Mary Lou meets back up with him, he
dies from cancer, returning to his lungs.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Okay, so go ahead, go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Good, Noah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Okay, Here's what I was gonna do. His mother, Frick
is walking around Omahan a University of Akron shirt, and
he's like, I've never.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Been to Akron.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
What's that tattoo on your chest?
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Snake?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay, So I'm gonna go here. A kitchen appliants salesman.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Probably not the best uh profession I have back then
or now. Uh, it just didn't seem like they had
a lot of money from the beginning. Sally, when he
was complaining about the bad checks. But now that you
give us all this uh solid information, definitely, uh the
(39:29):
part about him raising the life insurance policy and paying
up on it, yeah, it was definitely premeditated for sure,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I agree. I agree, Sean. What do you think you
got any last words on this?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Are you stealthy and sleeping with the enemy?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Oh dude, I called it from the beginning. Instead of
it being a you know, Mary being an asshole, this
guy's is just an idiot. He's a narcissist, stick idiot
and was just trying to find a way out. Maybe
there was some shred of good in him that he
upped the insurance policy to make sure that Mary and
the kiddos were taken care of. So, you know, good
(40:12):
on him, I guess, But you know.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Just because like he well, he was as much of
an idiot as he was. Maybe he didn't realize that
she wasn't gonna get that money.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
For two years. Yeah, to me.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
She got it. I'm not trying to sing his praises.
I'm just saying, like, the one only redeeming quality aside
from his archery skills, is the fact that he did that.
Outside of this, this guy just sounds like a con man.
That's really all this boils down to.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah, oh and if you think about it, look
at it. You know, it just popped in my head
when Evolution was talking, which I think it's adorable that
he takes notes.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
He is. There's one thing that everybody points out about
him is he takes It's great.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Great, I would you get to a little paraglasses so
he could be like, well, actually, actually minute forty three,
you said, but what Evolution said, You know, him being
applian salesman or whatever. First off, appliants lasted forever back then. Yeah,
(41:26):
so he kind of sold to a family once and
that was it. But the other thing is it's not
an exciting job. And look what he did when he
moved to Omaha. Became a bartender, which is fun and
you know, you're the life of the party and everybody,
you know, people come to you and stuff. And then
he went on to a radio host, then a TV host.
(41:47):
Then he's doing expos for fucking archery and stuff. So
like he is, I think he was bored with Envoy.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Do you think it was yeah, Like like you're saying,
like his first marriage, he just I got stuck in it.
And he was like, I'm not happy. I gotta get
out of this. He's like, it's not her fault, but
I gotta go. I'm just gonna bump up my life
and turn and dip out.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, he's he's driving to work to you know, Scooter
and Hooter's client shop. And uh, they said they're daydreaming
about being John Fitz John or Fitz John whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Right, John Fritz much cooler. Oh yeah, Prince Fritz and
the scrot Man. That was a pretty popular showback today
(42:42):
thanks into your six a m. Traffic.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Traffic is not as bad as it as an achron
So what here be there? Oh?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Man? Well, yeah, that's what I got. I wanted someth
a little bit lighthearted. You know, we've had some pretty
intense episodes for Singe lately, and this was a little
twist on it. The whole amnesia concept. I would like
to find one where amnesia actually was in play, but
I don't think it was in this episode.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
No, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
And he didn't even make it to forty, so he
didn't really get to live it very long. I mean
he maybe he lived it for like six years really,
I mean the first two years he kind of had
to build it.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
He had his best life away from Mary Low because
obviously when he went back in, trinckled down again.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
So this is Mary causes cancer.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
I was gonna I was gonna blame Catholicism, but all right.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
He is back under her bat wing suffering answer again.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I do have to say, though, women or men, don't
let religion make you stay with somebody for eight years
that you don't even hear from like that is absurd. Well,
he told me he was just going fishing. He'll be
back tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Yeah right, I mean, what are the conversations in the
household even like at that point when he comes back
home to marry, What's what's he doing?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Just look at her when he steps across the threshold
and goes.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
It took out my eye.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Oh man, I just take hooked.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
For seven and a half years.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Out of the boat. I was all over lake Erie.
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Maybe Mary was a horrible life and he's trying to
get away from her, and then when she came back,
he willed himself to get cancer and die.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
That's what I'm saying, man, this is the only way
I'm gonna do. I think Mary bad before she was
Mary batter might have been typhoid Mary.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Maybe he went to work to a boring job that
didn't make a lot of money and came home and
Mary Luji's barked in his ear all day.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Oh. I mean, so I imagine he probably wasn't making a
ton of money living in a wealthy neighborhood, so his
debt probably was racked up quite a bit. It doesn't
only say how much debt he had, but I would
imagine being like a kitchen applying selling like Pat Patrick said,
it's not like he was having returned customers.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Well, I mean it's it's a good theory. I mean,
you know that if he's trying to keep up with
the Joneses in the rich neighborhood and that's stacking up
and everything else, that he would peace out like that.
But it's I don't know if it's presumptive to throw
the you know, like Mary's just this nagging, horrible bitch
at home.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Where I was just bringing that up to be as
smart ass, I think this guy's lunt.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Well no, I mean it's possible she could have been
nightmarish enough that he.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
She could be.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, there are a few of us on this
podcast who have ex wives, Okay that we probably would
have jumped in a boat were killed to.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
And drank the water right now.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
From them.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
He's like going to rent the boat. He's like, what's
the most polluted area? He won me in that direction.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
It's like because he did. If he didn't give a
shit about her, then he wouldn't have re upped this
insurance policy even though he wasn't smart enough to understand
the two year thing whatever. But he did that. Okay,
So maybe there was some sliver of him that was
a decent guy and he got away from this nightmarish wretch,
(47:33):
nightmarish wretch and was able to start anew a happy life.
But he also was egotistical and maybe stupid. Maybe he
was so stupid he just ought to get away with
it and got roped back in and it was just like, yeah, cancer.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
The biggest thing that throws me off. And again I
don't know what the hospital like mental exams and testing
were like back in the fifties. But even the doctor,
like several doctors did run tests on him and said
that he didn't he wasn't willingly lying about it. But
again I don't know what the testing I don't know
what the testing is like, I don't know what the
(48:16):
testing is like today.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
So this is what bad testing was. So hilarry. He
didn't fall for it. Did you just put the cigarette
out on this baby?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
It wasn't really a hospital. It was a mental war,
That's what it was.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
I don't know that's that's that's baby.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well that's the only thing out of it, because, like
I said, they were trying. They were going to charge
him for a fraud and bigamy, but they they ruled
it out. They say that they wasn't willingly lying about.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
It, even though said that he was.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
No, the hospital was saying that he was not willingly
lying about it.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Spankerprints matched and he had luggage. Yeah and uh up
to his insurance policy. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, he didn't
willingly do that.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
When was the light detector invented? Like, I don't even
know that.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
It's not cor dimissible anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, the inventor of the light detector came out years
later and said it was the most bullshit invention ever.
It's people that are like, oh, the light detector test
on Maury. It's like, yeah, the guy that invented it
said it was dog ship, Like.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Just stop, what's Maury, I'm just joking. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Later Owen whatever tonight.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Well everybody took a couple of seconds, but.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Well everybody that's been tuned and I it's been selling you.
It's been going up and down. I appreciate you guys,
have Vinny. Thank you for not sending the link to
your show or your book. Yeah, I'll send it to Patrick.
I guess.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And thank you guys for being on the show tonight.
It's it's it was a good episode, a little different
so a little more lighthearted and comical. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
You know what we should actually instead of we should
start a brand new podcast.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Let's just add another one of the lists.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeahsholes from history.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Assholes.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
We would never run out of episodes.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
No, so have you every have you guys ever heard
in the asshole? Yeah, it's like we could we could
do something's spin off of that, but I feel like
we could just throw them on singed I socket so
the dassholes.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
So the first episode a letter from a woman where
it's like, Okay, so my husband comes home every day
from his appliance sales job and I'm just so tired
of living less than the people around us, and I
let him know about it every day. We've got these
four kids.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Know what happened? I told him. I told him if
he would and drown himself tomorrow, I wouldn't give a ship,
all right, guys, Well, thank you guys so much again
for being a part of the show. And yeah, I
kind of like that. We're getting back on track with
(51:48):
this show. You know, every every like two weeks we're
doing one, so expect the next one to be gory
and messed up, just like the rest of them. So Patrick,
thank you for being a guest.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
If I'm available, Uh.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
I'm sure you'll be available for the next one because
you'll probably be off for.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
A few more weeks for sure, middle of April.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, we'll get another one before then. So all right,
until next time, everybody, we will see you around. Thank you, souch.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
Sure
So clearly they endured something pretty intense.
Speaker 2 (00:14):
There was two women, yes, and seven guys, So to me,
that's a problem already.
Speaker 3 (00:22):
Eyebrows missing burn marks, eyeballs missing tone missing.
Speaker 4 (00:28):
Yeah, the bones decay to that degree in just four years.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
I just want to see that type of dagle.
Speaker 3 (00:39):
There's just so much that's talk about every on those sides.
Both sides seem real suspect. I know it's the South,
so maybe dental records are a bit trickier down there.
Speaker 5 (00:51):
They only have maybe one or two cheeks to identify
them by.
Speaker 1 (00:56):
Have you guys ever had that, Like you've driven by
a house in the middle of nowhere, You're like, I
don't wonder who live there?
Speaker 3 (01:00):
What's going on?
Speaker 1 (01:02):
Oh yeah, this is gonna be one of those what's happening? Everybody?
Welcome back to JJ's lounge. We're back with another There
you go, Evolution, you got the evolution request sent blocking
it again, Patrick Man I requested all of you to unmute.
(01:24):
There we go. Is everybody back? Patrick's back, You're back,
Sean back. We're good.
Speaker 4 (01:30):
I can read, I can read, I just can't see.
Speaker 5 (01:39):
You.
Speaker 1 (01:43):
Thank you everybody for tuning back and to another show.
Here on JJ's Lounge. We're figuring it out solely but surely, well,
most of us are figuring it out. We're back with
another episode of Singed Eye Sockets with our two co hosts.
We got evolution.
Speaker 4 (01:56):
How you doing, man, Hey, I'm doing great.
Speaker 6 (01:59):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
A little bit of rest today, so I'm excited about
the journey too, coming out here pretty soon.
Speaker 1 (02:05):
So I'm almost done with it. I'm really excited about it. It's
definitely a little step up from the first one. Next up,
we've got Sean shank Man.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
How you doing, I, you know, to be perfectly frank,
I'm sore as shit. I am sore as shit. I
started coaching a college wrestling program and these kids are
in their twenties. I am forty nine, and my body
is just like, what the are you doing? Dude?
Speaker 1 (02:37):
That's fair. I don't know never I've never really coached wrestling.
I don't know that I ever could. I did wrestling
one season in middle school and I won one match.
That's because the guy didn't show up.
Speaker 2 (02:49):
Nice.
Speaker 5 (02:49):
Hey, A win's a winn baby.
Speaker 1 (02:56):
And then we've got our guest tonight. He's been on
one of these shows before with us. Well, he's been
on a lot of the JJ Lounge shows, but he's
been on one of the SENTI before. We're happy to
have him back. Patrick manheide doing I'm.
Speaker 5 (03:04):
Doing well, you know, enjoying my paid medical leave.
Speaker 1 (03:11):
I know that too well.
Speaker 5 (03:14):
So yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (03:16):
Recently, recently on St. Patty's Day, did a charity comedy thing.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Right yeah, Lawrence Kansas at Elmo's Pub or Almos Bar,
did about fifteen minutes to Okay, Sean, we'll do a
little sidebark here. But Sean, you're you're an established comedian,
so you'll know this. This was a bar show that
went well. So bar shows are notorious for sucking. People
(03:48):
don't want to pay attention. People just want to watch TV.
People they did they don't give a shit about comedy.
We had that in the back of the pub, but
in the front there was a table of four, two couple,
and then there was this one lady sitting at the bar.
Those five people came and they came to laugh, and
they laughed so hard that I was just like, I
don't give a shit about everybody else. I even putted
(04:11):
it out. I was like, Okay, I'm not even looking
around the bar I'm looking at you, guys, because you're
the only motherfucker's paying attention. They made the show totally worthwhile,
you know. Yeah, it was a blast. It was a
good bar show something that. Yeah, that's like the unicorn
of it. It's like a good charity event, you know.
Speaker 3 (04:31):
It's it just doesn't happen, frankly.
Speaker 5 (04:36):
So I will be back there for anybody in the Lawrence,
Kansas area, great of Kansas City area. I will be
back there doing twenty minutes at the Almost Showcase on
the twenty seventh, so a week from tomorrow. It's at
ten thirty.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
We got a few people on the network that on
Facebook there are in the Lawrence in well Kan't City area.
There's quite a few of them.
Speaker 3 (05:00):
So yeah, well, I mean, if we're doing this, then
for them Lawrence, Kansas. I will be in Muskegon, Michigan
this Friday.
Speaker 1 (05:09):
So I actually do have a lot of underground laugh
lounge crew that follow me as well on Facebook.
Speaker 3 (05:17):
I went the commuters from Kansas to co see my show.
Speaker 5 (05:24):
We'll just well caravan, they'll come to my show. I'll
drive up to your carpool.
Speaker 1 (05:29):
Well carpool, that'd be a pretty cheap carpool. I think
we could probably get like how many think would show
like five or six. We just pair up.
Speaker 4 (05:39):
There you go.
Speaker 3 (05:40):
I'm worth the drag folks.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
That I believe that I believe, all right, So everybody's
got their stuff plugged. Journey to is almost wrapped up.
That's exciting, and then there's gonna be a Journey three
coming fun doing like biography. I don't even know if
it's like a biography, but it's like evolutions journeys to
the Philippines each time it goes and like the Progress documentary, yeah,
(06:08):
it's more of a documentary.
Speaker 4 (06:10):
But anybody tuning in right.
Speaker 1 (06:11):
Now and feel free to jump in the commentary. We're
gonna be doing a deep dive on a guy named
Lawrence Bader aka Larry Bater. He was some funny.
Speaker 3 (06:27):
To angle that joke in this.
Speaker 1 (06:29):
It's gonna get You're gonna find lots of jokes in
this because well and there's a few things I left
out till the end, which you know, you guys know me,
I kind of just do that. Well, let's kind of
dive in here. So it's nineteen twenty six. Uh, Larry's
born in Akron, Akron, Ohio, they corrected me before the show.
I guess it's Akron, Ohio, which is kind of like
(06:50):
the suburbs of Cleveland, Ohio. He was born in like
a wealthier area, a very outdoorsy, wore a lot of
bucks and clothes, was in archery. He dropped out of
high school. I didn't get a lot of like his
childhood because there wasn't a lot to dig up. But
(07:11):
that's really not the point of what we're going to
be discussing tonight. He did drop out of high school
to join the Navy. After about eighteen months, he came
home and died a Akron University, but before he worked
at a campus restaurant where he learned to bartend. Fast
forward to nineteen fifty seven. So we're jumping. We're jumping
(07:33):
quite a bit here. Larry is a kitchen appliance salesman.
He's married to a lady named Mary lou So. Larry
and Mary lou have three children and one on the way.
They live in a wealthier neighborhood in West Hills in Akron, Ohio.
May fifteenth, nineteen fifty seven. Larry tells his wife he
(07:56):
has to go see about a few bad checks that
were written to him. Again, he's a kitchen applying salesman,
so people write about checks. Uh, and then he might
go fishing. So so far all we know is, yeah,
he's an average guy. There's there's not really anything. A
lot of his friends say that he's just easy to like,
like to drink beer, He's easy to have conversations with,
(08:19):
love to tell stories and do what. Oh, I thought
you were talking to me, Patrick.
Speaker 5 (08:26):
I didn't say the thing.
Speaker 1 (08:28):
I thought you said something as your dog talking. Oh
you know what, I bet you this evolution your background.
Speaker 4 (08:33):
Yes, since my background, it's all good. Anyways.
Speaker 1 (08:41):
So that afternoon Larry uh goes and deals with his checks,
and then he goes to a place called Rocky River
Livery is it livery or livery livery livery? Uh, you're
near Cleveland. The owner said that although the weather was calm,
there was a storm coming and Larry went wanted to
rent a boat. He advised against it, and Larry was
(09:04):
very insistent about getting a boat. The owner also acknowledged
that Larry had a suitcase with him and he took
it with him with the boat, and at four point
thirty Larry went on to Lake Erie. Three hours later,
a storm hits and Larry's gone. He never comes home.
(09:25):
The following day, coastguards find the boat at Perkins Beach,
which is about five miles from where he set out,
and the body had minor scratches, a bit propeller. The
only things that were really missing were one of the oars, Larry,
and his suitcase. So, so far, what do you guys
(09:48):
have throw?
Speaker 3 (09:50):
I would like to go first. Yes, there was a
movie in the late eighties early nineteen nineties with Julia
Roberts called Sleeping with the Enemy, and this sounds really
really close to the beginning of that movie. I don't
want to cast the excursions on the rest of your story,
but man, Larry.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
You guys will easily find out what's going on here.
Speaker 3 (10:13):
So I'm just I'm thrown out a guess there. But
there's one more thing I do want to mention. I
did study up on this a bit before the cast
and jel Larry had a brother named Garth.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
I knew he had siblings, yes, the Garth part. No,
I didn't know he had siblings because they are mentioning this,
but I don't think that's the correct name.
Speaker 5 (10:39):
Took a second, but oh my god.
Speaker 1 (10:44):
I do want to acknowledge that, and he said this
episode could use some more stocking talk. That is the last.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
Vinnie. Vinnie, if you're still watching, comment the name of
your book because I want to pick it up.
Speaker 6 (11:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (11:00):
I can actually send you the direct link to it.
But you know what, Vinny, people will see the comments.
They'll throw it out there. Anyways. Yeah, absolutely, Vinnie was
on our last show consistently and consistent.
Speaker 3 (11:12):
Can I mention my book? Okay? So I just got
this book and it's mine. It's called Behind the Beautiful
Forever's by Catherine Boo. I didn't write it, but I
own it, so it's my book. I just want to
to you guys, how is it?
Speaker 1 (11:35):
Is it a good read?
Speaker 3 (11:36):
It's one of the best stories. It's okay, So it
is a creative nonfiction about life and the slums behind
luxury hotels in India. Is the most heartbreaking, awesome stories
ever written. That woman is a freaking all right evolution.
Speaker 1 (11:55):
What you got so far based off what little information
I've told you, Well.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
I really don't have much. It just seems like the
guy went fishing and he came up missing. Yeah, with
the storm and whatnot. I'm just kind of waiting for
a little bit more so I can dig off deep
into it.
Speaker 1 (12:16):
Mhm h. The coast guards did say that, do do
how rough the storm was, it was pretty much impossible
if somebody was tossed overboard to survive. So he did. Uh.
He was presumed dead by the local authorities. It took
two years for them to actually, you know, say you're dead.
You know, he was officially dead for his wife, Mary
(12:39):
lu to claim his life insurance. Because if somebody goes missing,
unless there's proof that they are deceased, you can't you
can't just get their money. You can't just get that
life insurance. I don't know if anybody knows how that
stuff works, and even I don't know one hundred percent.
But that kind of sucks for her because she's stuck
with these three four fourth kid on the way. By
this time, you know, she's had the kids. She's struggling.
(13:01):
So not a lot of this is about Mary Luis.
She'll pop up here and there, But so far, that's
what I got. Returning from the name, so we're jumping
forward four days. So returning from the Navy, just four
days after a man by the name of John Fritz
Johnson enters the Round Table Bar in Omaha, Nebraska, asking
(13:23):
for a bartending job. I'm sure you guys are gonna
start piecing this skitter pretty quick. He liked classical music
and archery, bought a hearse and had a built in
lounge area in the back. He was well liked in town,
and he was doing stuff like raising money for a
polio charity where he sat on a flagpole for thirty days.
(13:45):
So he really kind of built this line of likeness,
eccentric likeness to him from the town. A lot of
people liked him. He had a very similar personality to
Larry I'm sure in nineteen fifty nine, so this is
two years after he became a local radio host in Omaha.
(14:08):
Let's see, let's keep going down here. By nineteen sixty one,
so he goes from being in a married life to decease,
and now this other guy shows up and he quickly
climbs the ladder to like this very well known, publicly
recognized figure. By nineteen sixty one, he is married to
(14:30):
a lady named Nancy Zimmer who had a stepdaughter, and
then they had a son together. He ended up getting
a job at a local TV station where he became
the sports director, and he continued to excel at archery
and told people that he took it on as a
hobby to help with his back injury from the Navy.
We'll take a little pause right here as I keep
(14:51):
flying through this and see what you guys got.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
Well, it's starting to line up, for sure, especially with
the archery. More especially with the archery. Uh yeah, this
is pretty much starting to sound like the identical person
that we were speaking about before.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (15:14):
Sleeping with the Enemy one two. This guy has amazing
sphincter control to sit on a pole for thirty days.
I mean literally the concentration that he had to add.
Speaker 1 (15:30):
I didn't know apparently that was an I didn't know
that was an actual thing, like a flagpole sitter was
an actual thing.
Speaker 5 (15:35):
I wonder if that Harvey Danger song is about him? No,
I mean serious, you know the song I'm talking about, right, Yeah,
I know, it's just I'm appreciating this is obscure reference
podcast night.
Speaker 1 (15:58):
Sorry, my dog can bargein here.
Speaker 5 (15:59):
Go. I will say on the first part ship we
lost him. Uh, I will say on the first part
of what you were, the first part when he went fishing,
I know, when I go fishing, I always bring my
suitcakes with.
Speaker 1 (16:17):
Me, exactly the same here because it kind of throws
things off though, because like, the more I get into it,
either this guy's a complete moron or he legitimately Well,
I'm not gonna keep talking about We'll tell you that.
What what do you think, Sean?
Speaker 3 (16:37):
Well, So what was the new guy's name?
Speaker 1 (16:41):
Uh? John John Fritz Johnson. He was very clever with
the name. John Fritz Johnson went by Fritz.
Speaker 3 (16:50):
Okay, John Friz Johnson Okay. And then Larry and Mary.
I just know it's a lot of alliteration.
Speaker 1 (16:56):
Uh, and then Fritz, Mary's Nancy mm hmm okay, Zimmer
Nancy Zimmer.
Speaker 3 (17:02):
Great names. I again, this just do you guys know
what I'm talking about with the sleeping in the with
the enemy reference?
Speaker 1 (17:09):
Yeah, I feel like I've seen it, but it had
to be like a.
Speaker 4 (17:12):
Two long ago. Yeah, Okay.
Speaker 3 (17:14):
So basically, Julia is getting you know, abused domestic abuse
by this her husband who's a complete control freak narcissist,
beating the shit out of all the time. So she
fakes her death by going out on a boating trip
and you know, she gets washed away at sea, but
she comes back and starts a whole new life and
(17:36):
another town and everything. And this just I'm telling you
from the very beginning reeks of it. But if this
guy is trying to start a new life, being high profile,
like literally climbing ladders to get on poles and being
involved in sports, entertainment and everything is not really the
way to lay low. So that's right now.
Speaker 1 (17:59):
No, right, you know, he's and that's the other thing.
That's like you said, laylow, he's not doing that, you know,
And Omaha is only about eight hundred miles from where
he set off to Lake Ay.
Speaker 5 (18:12):
Yeah, but this was back in the fifties and sixties.
Eight hundred miles is one thing today, but back then
yeah yeah, yeah yeah, the car you know, and train ride,
so yeah, you can bet two.
Speaker 1 (18:24):
They wouldn't know, right, What were you gonna say? Evolution?
Speaker 2 (18:28):
Well, you know, I'm connecting the Dutch here. Of course,
I already says something about the archer archery connection, but
there's also a military connection. And this guy is a
radio personality, which that's where I think the issue is
because even though he's eight hundred miles away, a lot
of people back then their entertainment was listening to the radio.
(18:53):
So if his ex wife, of course.
Speaker 1 (18:56):
I'm not even ex wife because he never got divorced.
He just disappeared, you know.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
True, But he was pronounced dead, so she knows his
voice right, right, so she could pick that up. She
could basically put two and two together. But yeah, he's
not lay alone at all. He's not doing much thinking
in this one.
Speaker 5 (19:16):
He was a morning radio host, because then it would
be hey, hey, hey, fritzing in the morning, the slide whistles,
welcome to Fritzing in the scrow Dome.
Speaker 1 (19:32):
It's I did pick up during the research that during
this time that Lake Erie is actually extremely polluted, and
I think at one point the lake itself actually lit
on fire, so it was.
Speaker 5 (19:56):
It was so polluted that yeah, one part of it.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Yeah, w so for them to think that, you know,
he was dead was I mean, it's pretty easy to
kind of just come up to that assumption, not just
because of the storm but by the pollution of the water.
Speaker 3 (20:09):
Well, we know anything about Lake Erie, she never gives
up her dead. That's what I've heard.
Speaker 1 (20:17):
Any of the lakes, if anybody's been up to like
those lakes up in that area. They're massive.
Speaker 5 (20:21):
I mean I used to yeah, Michigan.
Speaker 1 (20:26):
Yeah, I visited Grand Rapids and I'm not sure what
lake that is, but I mean it was. It looks
like the damn ocean. It's huge.
Speaker 5 (20:38):
Yeah, I was just up there last summer. We popped
up there after riot Fest.
Speaker 3 (20:44):
Lake Erie never gives up her dead. Nobody's ever heard
of Gordon Lightfoot. For fox sake, people, you know, I've
never the whole thing. Startzerald, thank you.
Speaker 5 (20:57):
I thought it was Lake Michigan. I'm sorry.
Speaker 4 (21:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (21:03):
Your little story.
Speaker 1 (21:04):
All right, I'm going to continue here. Okay, all right.
So so Larry's love for archery and ends up leading
him to a second part time job as an advisor
for archery companies. So he travels to trade shows and
demonstrates their stuff. Uh and and Sean's over here cracking
up what you got, man? While you let this? Is
this also part of sleeping with the enemy? Is this
(21:26):
part of sleeping with the enemy?
Speaker 3 (21:30):
No, she did not go. You know, like, I'm going
to take a job where I have to travel where
people you me might see me. Keep going. This guy's
a moron.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
That's why I'm like, Man, I don't know, if this
dude's like legitimately just a moron, or if he has no.
Speaker 4 (21:49):
Idea, I'm thinking drink the water.
Speaker 1 (22:03):
So in nineteen sixty four, his Fritz is a local
celebrity doing really well. He ends up with a malignant
brain tumor which is found behind his eye and the
unfortunately they have to remove it. Wow, but that actually
only increases his celebrity status. Him wearing an eyepatch on
TV just boosted his numbers. All right, yeah, we are cruising.
(22:26):
I mean we're doing pret goods twenty two ments already.
February second, nineteen sixty five, Fritz is at a sporting
goods show in Chicago for an archery company. H and
Akron local was also at the show and was suspicious
about Fritz as soon as he heard him talk, and
he ends up looking at him and instead of just
talking to him, he calls his niece Suzanne Pica, which
(22:51):
is who comes down. She flies down there. I'm guessing
it was like a weekend long thing. It doesn't really specify,
but well exposed.
Speaker 5 (23:00):
I mean they're like they're wild, they're five to six
dayes and so much. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Yeah, because there ends up being multiple people that come
to come to be like, no, this is you.
Speaker 5 (23:10):
Well, in the sixties and seventies you had that, you know,
Persimmon to titanium, the crossover. It was just it was
a wild time in archery.
Speaker 3 (23:19):
Well, and don't forget all the Ted talks, you know,
Fletch you I mean, god, that's hours of entertainment.
Speaker 5 (23:26):
Yeah, oh yeah, how to hang your target? That was telling?
Speaker 7 (23:35):
How did think?
Speaker 3 (23:36):
Here's the first of all, how the hell did the
guy from Akron recognize him anyway? Because I would see
that and be like, uh, you know, it kind of
sounds like Larry, but Larry was never a pirate yet
everybody from so I.
Speaker 4 (23:56):
Mean he did.
Speaker 2 (23:57):
He did go to the sea or the lakes.
Speaker 1 (24:04):
You got that brain tumor from drinking the water along
with his memory last.
Speaker 3 (24:07):
Yeah, I'll be at.
Speaker 1 (24:16):
So anyways, Susanna ends up flying down there to see
it for herself, and she confronts him saying, hey, aren't
you my my lost uncle from eight years ago? Uh?
He laughs, confused, and she and says he's not. He said,
I'm Frid's I'm John Fritz. And she's insisting like, hey, no,
you're you're my uncle. So she takes him. Uh, he's
(24:37):
he willingly goes with her to a phone where she
calls Larry's other siblings and they talked to him on
the phone and they're like, no, You're like, this is you.
So they fly down there. Wow, yes, and they.
Speaker 4 (24:49):
Con he's stuck around he waited.
Speaker 1 (24:52):
Yeah. No, he's willingly doing all of these things.
Speaker 4 (24:56):
Must have when he fell out the boat.
Speaker 6 (25:03):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
So after they fly to Chicago, you know, he meets
up with them. The brothers like, no, you're definitely our brother.
And he still denies that. He's he's like, I've never
even been to akron Ohio. A Crown, a corn Ohio,
A corn Ohio spelled it wrong, guys. Uh, Fritz did
(25:24):
tell a report that one of them had a striking
resemblance and similar voice to him.
Speaker 6 (25:29):
Shocking.
Speaker 1 (25:32):
He agrees to go to the police station with the brothers, uh,
where the FBI is sent fingerprints and they compare it
to his naval fingerprints, and of course they're the same guy.
I'm shocked. I'm sure you guys are so shocked.
Speaker 2 (25:52):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (25:53):
He's still he still denies it. He still denies any
connection with with anything to do with akron Ohio. He
says that he would have never agreed to the fingerprints
if he knew about it, if he was like knowingly
trying to hide it, he never would have done any
of these things.
Speaker 2 (26:11):
What come on, I mean you knew they were about
to do the fingerprints, right, I mean you could have
been like.
Speaker 4 (26:21):
The restroom.
Speaker 1 (26:22):
There are rare amdesia cases. I mean there's very rare.
I'm not trying to defend this dude. To me, it
sounds like he's just a moron. But assuming that there
was some crazy accident on the boat and he somehow
got amnesia, it is, there are cases where it does.
Speaker 3 (26:37):
Happen, okay, with the enemy.
Speaker 8 (26:41):
Overboard archery, archery, Mikhale's navy.
Speaker 3 (26:55):
Okay, what was his rank in the navy? You?
Speaker 1 (26:57):
I didn't. I didn't find any of that out.
Speaker 3 (26:59):
There's there's wasn't He wasn't.
Speaker 1 (27:02):
He wasn't only did no, he only did eighteen months,
So he didn't.
Speaker 3 (27:06):
He didn't achieve the rank of master chief.
Speaker 1 (27:09):
Right, there's nothing in there about what his rank was.
Speaker 5 (27:15):
I got it, I got it.
Speaker 3 (27:17):
What you got.
Speaker 1 (27:19):
He understands, No, I don't know. I I get that
he gets it, but I don't get it. So please
explain my ignorance.
Speaker 5 (27:24):
Its last name, and we're saying Master, over and over master.
Speaker 6 (27:30):
Oh.
Speaker 1 (27:47):
So Larry returns and still insists he uh has clear
memories of growing up as an orphan in Boston and
serving two years in the navy. Uh, but that never happened.
He's hospitalized for ten days and they do several mental
studies on them, and doctors couldn't determine that he was
(28:08):
willfully deceiving anybody, which kept him from being charged with
fraud or big m I can volition. I hear you.
You're kid in the background. It's hilarious. It's all good man.
Speaker 4 (28:27):
You barely hear it.
Speaker 1 (28:28):
It's just funny. Yes, you got an icon, that bro.
Speaker 2 (28:39):
You got a busy household right here one it's a
podcast showing on the other end of his video games.
Speaker 4 (28:45):
No, you're online competition.
Speaker 1 (28:47):
I just had to shove my dog out the door,
so I got you right. Yeah, And Shawn's over there,
like you guys should just keep going with this show.
Speaker 3 (28:59):
Just be very well behaved over here.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
So, while in the hospital, he does make a statement
that he must assume that he is still married to
Mary Lou and he needs to say separated from Nancy.
Oh and shocking, shocking, what's got Sean? Now?
Speaker 3 (29:21):
What the fuck is wrong with this guy?
Speaker 1 (29:25):
You had a kid with her too?
Speaker 4 (29:26):
Yeah, he's a pole sitter. What do you expect.
Speaker 3 (29:35):
All you have to do was pulled the w C
Fields with get away from a kid? You bother me,
just like when she was coming, you're my uncle. Now
the fuck I'm not get away from me. I'm gonna
call security, right And then when when she's going to
get somebody get out of there?
Speaker 4 (29:50):
Yeah, way, you know, just leave?
Speaker 3 (29:53):
But no, he's like, I'll willingly go with you here
and I'll meet the rest of the family.
Speaker 4 (30:00):
Idiot.
Speaker 1 (30:00):
I feel like had this been like three or four
decades later, he wouldn't have gotten as far as he did.
Speaker 4 (30:06):
No, no, no, no.
Speaker 1 (30:08):
Sir, especially with being a radio host or any sort
of celebrity in any kind of size town.
Speaker 3 (30:17):
Okay, I gotta hear the rest of this. What happens
to this?
Speaker 5 (30:19):
Okay, so.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
We're actually about done. It's only been half an hour,
but it's all good. Uh. Nancy obviously is very confused
and ends up getting the marriage, and Old Mary Lou
makes a statement saying that she is part of the
Catholic church that does not believe in divorce and that
her kids need a father.
Speaker 2 (30:42):
Okay, okay, okay, let's let's let's sit there for a second, because.
Speaker 4 (30:48):
I get it. I get it.
Speaker 1 (30:49):
This is eight years, by the way, everybody, I just
want to know eight years.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
If you can't catch the hint on that one, I
don't think your religion. Maybe your religion is a big
to you. But after something like that occurs, you just
gotta let that will go.
Speaker 1 (31:08):
If they if they found the guy, the first thing
you want to do is murder him. Yeah, make him disappear.
Speaker 4 (31:17):
I mean collect again, right.
Speaker 3 (31:21):
I was just about to ask, though, what about the
insurance money? Because now that he's come fast.
Speaker 1 (31:26):
So the I R. S Does come after him for
all that? Yeah that it says that.
Speaker 5 (31:34):
Let's see here.
Speaker 1 (31:36):
Fritz was terminated from the local TV station in Omaha.
He continued as a bartender. In August, Mary Lou and
the children reunite with him, and he still insists he
has no idea of anything.
Speaker 2 (31:46):
Wow, that would suck for his kids, you know, it
would suck for his wife. Yeah, it would definitely suck
for the kids, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
So that's before I saw the last little bit of
information in here. Do you guys think that this was
intentional or he actually did have amnesia?
Speaker 2 (32:09):
I'll take the first step at this because of the tumor,
I think maybe that MTA had some effects on his
brain function. But that's the only thing I can give him,
you know, anything other than that, maybe he bumped his
head hard when he fell out the boat and drank
some of the water. But outside of that, this guy
(32:32):
was just really stupid. That's what I got.
Speaker 1 (32:41):
So my biggest part that that throws me off here
is how like invested he was in growing as a
celebrity in the community. Like if he was trying to hide,
you think he either would have went further away or
been a little bit more secretive about his identity like
him in general.
Speaker 4 (33:00):
Yeah, what do.
Speaker 1 (33:02):
You guys got Do.
Speaker 5 (33:05):
You want to go? You want me to go?
Speaker 3 (33:07):
No, go for it, pack because I'm still organizing my
thoughts on this.
Speaker 5 (33:10):
Okay. Uh So we just did the Idiom show earlier
in the week. It was an idiom probably go with
before the fall. I think this motherfucker was so cocky
that he thought he was gonna get away with all
this bullshit. He's like, oh, yeah, sure, I'll talk to
the family, I'll get fingerprinted. Sure, bring your mom out here.
(33:31):
I'll have sex with her and she can compare what
it's like. A it's gonna be different. I swear this
son of a bitch. She thought he was gonna get
away with it. Yeah, celebrity thing. I think, you know,
because if he got knocked on the head and got amnesia,
how the fuck does he end up in Omaha from Akron?
Speaker 1 (33:51):
Yeah it's acorn. We clarified this as acorn.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
She ended up and in the hospital. So he made
it out there, and he was like, oh, I'm gonna
do this. Oh I got away with that. Oh they
want me to be this little radio host. I got
away with that. Oh I can be on TV. I
got away with that. I gotta wait. And you know,
and his ego is just getting bigger and bigger and bigger.
(34:19):
So yeah, I just think that he was a cocky loft.
Now was it wife to that divorced him and another
and wife one was bonded by this archaic bond uh.
Speaker 1 (34:36):
Yeah, the Catholic religion.
Speaker 5 (34:37):
Yeah, we got him harry once and he only beats
me a little bit. So it's good. That's what Jesus wants.
Speaker 1 (34:48):
Beat the wife right, he did.
Speaker 4 (34:49):
He didn't touch her for the last eight years.
Speaker 5 (34:51):
So I think that this guy is just a cocky
fucker and he got busted.
Speaker 3 (35:05):
What you got, Sean, Well, first of all, I am
a little bit upset with the three.
Speaker 4 (35:11):
Of you.
Speaker 3 (35:15):
Good origion as a whole, because any good Catholic woman
knows how to take a punch, first of all. Second
of all, Second of all, I am in line with
(35:37):
Pat and I will I will tell you why. And
it's not just because of his glorious beard. If if
it weren't for one thing, I could buy into the
tumor excuse. I really could because like when my mom
before she passed her her lung cancer metastasized and went
to her brain and we got to sit court side
(36:00):
to watch memories change and personality change and all this
other stuff and see like the sundowning and going in
and out of who she was into what she became,
Like got to watch it happen. So I can get
that except for one thing, the suitcase. The suitcase makes
it makes no damn sense on the boat, and he
(36:23):
was so insistent about it. It was it was it
was pre playing. I'm sorry, but it's just, you know,
I don't believe in coincidences. And if he had just
not done that, I mean, why why bring a suitcase
just if you're gonna if you're gonna leave it all behind,
leave it all behind.
Speaker 1 (36:40):
I don't know if you know this, but back in then,
in like that time frame, instead of using tackle boxes
to fish, they use suitcases.
Speaker 3 (36:51):
I'm sorry, what did your what did your commentators said that?
I think'st.
Speaker 1 (37:04):
Throw all your lures and you're in your hooks and
your pull gear, all in your tack, in your suitcase
and just go fishing. Man.
Speaker 5 (37:10):
You can tell the pros because he had the steamer.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
And if you're not wearing a Buckskin jackie, you're definitely
doing it wrong.
Speaker 3 (37:19):
Yeah. So, I think this guy was just the epitome
of hubris and thought that he could get away from
with it all, so much so that in the midst
of getting caught red handed by the knees, he leaned
into it like I'll get away with this, No, dude, No.
Speaker 1 (37:41):
So here's the last bit of information I have, which
just kind of hits the nail on the head before
his disappearance Larry did have quite a bit of debt
and had not paid his taxes in five years the
day of him renting the boat. On top of dealing
with the bad checks, Larry also raised and paid in
full his life insurance premium. The following day when the
(38:02):
boat was found, the coast guards also acknowledged that the
boat was out of gas and the gas line had
been disconnected, which is not something that just happens by accident.
And then in September of nineteen sixty six, so just
shortly after Mary Lou meets back up with him, he
dies from cancer, returning to his lungs.
Speaker 2 (38:24):
Okay, so go ahead, go ahead, I'm.
Speaker 1 (38:29):
Good, Noah, go ahead.
Speaker 5 (38:33):
Okay, Here's what I was gonna do. His mother, Frick
is walking around Omahan a University of Akron shirt, and
he's like, I've never.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Been to Akron.
Speaker 3 (38:49):
What's that tattoo on your chest?
Speaker 5 (38:50):
Snake?
Speaker 2 (38:56):
Okay, So I'm gonna go here. A kitchen appliants salesman.
Speaker 1 (39:03):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (39:04):
Probably not the best uh profession I have back then
or now. Uh, it just didn't seem like they had
a lot of money from the beginning. Sally, when he
was complaining about the bad checks. But now that you
give us all this uh solid information, definitely, uh the
(39:29):
part about him raising the life insurance policy and paying
up on it, yeah, it was definitely premeditated for sure,
for sure.
Speaker 1 (39:43):
I agree. I agree, Sean. What do you think you
got any last words on this?
Speaker 5 (39:47):
Yeah?
Speaker 1 (39:48):
Are you stealthy and sleeping with the enemy?
Speaker 3 (39:50):
Oh dude, I called it from the beginning. Instead of
it being a you know, Mary being an asshole, this
guy's is just an idiot. He's a narcissist, stick idiot
and was just trying to find a way out. Maybe
there was some shred of good in him that he
upped the insurance policy to make sure that Mary and
the kiddos were taken care of. So, you know, good
(40:12):
on him, I guess, But you know.
Speaker 1 (40:15):
Just because like he well, he was as much of
an idiot as he was. Maybe he didn't realize that
she wasn't gonna get that money.
Speaker 4 (40:25):
For two years. Yeah, to me.
Speaker 3 (40:28):
She got it. I'm not trying to sing his praises.
I'm just saying, like, the one only redeeming quality aside
from his archery skills, is the fact that he did that.
Outside of this, this guy just sounds like a con man.
That's really all this boils down to.
Speaker 5 (40:43):
Yeah, yeah, oh and if you think about it, look
at it. You know, it just popped in my head
when Evolution was talking, which I think it's adorable that
he takes notes.
Speaker 1 (40:55):
He is. There's one thing that everybody points out about
him is he takes It's great.
Speaker 5 (41:01):
Great, I would you get to a little paraglasses so
he could be like, well, actually, actually minute forty three,
you said, but what Evolution said, You know, him being
applian salesman or whatever. First off, appliants lasted forever back then. Yeah,
(41:26):
so he kind of sold to a family once and
that was it. But the other thing is it's not
an exciting job. And look what he did when he
moved to Omaha. Became a bartender, which is fun and
you know, you're the life of the party and everybody,
you know, people come to you and stuff. And then
he went on to a radio host, then a TV host.
(41:47):
Then he's doing expos for fucking archery and stuff. So
like he is, I think he was bored with Envoy.
Speaker 1 (41:56):
Do you think it was yeah, Like like you're saying,
like his first marriage, he just I got stuck in it.
And he was like, I'm not happy. I gotta get
out of this. He's like, it's not her fault, but
I gotta go. I'm just gonna bump up my life
and turn and dip out.
Speaker 5 (42:09):
Yeah, he's he's driving to work to you know, Scooter
and Hooter's client shop. And uh, they said they're daydreaming
about being John Fitz John or Fitz John whatever.
Speaker 1 (42:21):
Right, John Fritz much cooler. Oh yeah, Prince Fritz and
the scrot Man. That was a pretty popular showback today
(42:42):
thanks into your six a m. Traffic.
Speaker 5 (42:49):
Traffic is not as bad as it as an achron
So what here be there? Oh?
Speaker 1 (43:00):
Man? Well, yeah, that's what I got. I wanted someth
a little bit lighthearted. You know, we've had some pretty
intense episodes for Singe lately, and this was a little
twist on it. The whole amnesia concept. I would like
to find one where amnesia actually was in play, but
I don't think it was in this episode.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
No, no, absolutely not.
Speaker 1 (43:23):
And he didn't even make it to forty, so he
didn't really get to live it very long. I mean
he maybe he lived it for like six years really,
I mean the first two years he kind of had
to build it.
Speaker 2 (43:32):
He had his best life away from Mary Low because
obviously when he went back in, trinckled down again.
Speaker 3 (43:41):
So this is Mary causes cancer.
Speaker 1 (43:48):
I was gonna I was gonna blame Catholicism, but all right.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
He is back under her bat wing suffering answer again.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
I do have to say, though, women or men, don't
let religion make you stay with somebody for eight years
that you don't even hear from like that is absurd. Well,
he told me he was just going fishing. He'll be
back tomorrow.
Speaker 7 (44:20):
Yeah right, I mean, what are the conversations in the
household even like at that point when he comes back
home to marry, What's what's he doing?
Speaker 3 (44:31):
Just look at her when he steps across the threshold
and goes.
Speaker 1 (44:49):
It took out my eye.
Speaker 4 (44:53):
Oh man, I just take hooked.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
For seven and a half years.
Speaker 3 (45:02):
Out of the boat. I was all over lake Erie.
It was crazy.
Speaker 5 (45:07):
Maybe Mary was a horrible life and he's trying to
get away from her, and then when she came back,
he willed himself to get cancer and die.
Speaker 3 (45:16):
That's what I'm saying, man, this is the only way
I'm gonna do. I think Mary bad before she was
Mary batter might have been typhoid Mary.
Speaker 2 (45:32):
Maybe he went to work to a boring job that
didn't make a lot of money and came home and
Mary Luji's barked in his ear all day.
Speaker 1 (45:41):
Oh. I mean, so I imagine he probably wasn't making a
ton of money living in a wealthy neighborhood, so his
debt probably was racked up quite a bit. It doesn't
only say how much debt he had, but I would
imagine being like a kitchen applying selling like Pat Patrick said,
it's not like he was having returned customers.
Speaker 3 (46:05):
Well, I mean it's it's a good theory. I mean,
you know that if he's trying to keep up with
the Joneses in the rich neighborhood and that's stacking up
and everything else, that he would peace out like that.
But it's I don't know if it's presumptive to throw
the you know, like Mary's just this nagging, horrible bitch
at home.
Speaker 5 (46:24):
Where I was just bringing that up to be as
smart ass, I think this guy's lunt.
Speaker 3 (46:29):
Well no, I mean it's possible she could have been
nightmarish enough that he.
Speaker 4 (46:41):
She could be.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
I mean, there are a few of us on this
podcast who have ex wives, Okay that we probably would
have jumped in a boat were killed to.
Speaker 4 (46:54):
And drank the water right now.
Speaker 3 (47:02):
From them.
Speaker 1 (47:04):
He's like going to rent the boat. He's like, what's
the most polluted area? He won me in that direction.
Speaker 3 (47:11):
It's like because he did. If he didn't give a
shit about her, then he wouldn't have re upped this
insurance policy even though he wasn't smart enough to understand
the two year thing whatever. But he did that. Okay,
So maybe there was some sliver of him that was
a decent guy and he got away from this nightmarish wretch,
(47:33):
nightmarish wretch and was able to start anew a happy life.
But he also was egotistical and maybe stupid. Maybe he
was so stupid he just ought to get away with
it and got roped back in and it was just like, yeah, cancer.
Speaker 1 (47:54):
The biggest thing that throws me off. And again I
don't know what the hospital like mental exams and testing
were like back in the fifties. But even the doctor,
like several doctors did run tests on him and said
that he didn't he wasn't willingly lying about it. But
again I don't know what the testing I don't know
what the testing is like, I don't know what the
(48:16):
testing is like today.
Speaker 5 (48:17):
So this is what bad testing was. So hilarry. He
didn't fall for it. Did you just put the cigarette
out on this baby?
Speaker 1 (48:38):
It wasn't really a hospital. It was a mental war,
That's what it was.
Speaker 5 (48:44):
I don't know that's that's that's baby.
Speaker 1 (48:49):
Well that's the only thing out of it, because, like
I said, they were trying. They were going to charge
him for a fraud and bigamy, but they they ruled
it out. They say that they wasn't willingly lying about.
Speaker 5 (48:58):
It, even though said that he was.
Speaker 1 (49:04):
No, the hospital was saying that he was not willingly
lying about it.
Speaker 2 (49:09):
Spankerprints matched and he had luggage. Yeah and uh up
to his insurance policy. Yeah yeah, yeah, No, he didn't
willingly do that.
Speaker 1 (49:22):
When was the light detector invented? Like, I don't even
know that.
Speaker 5 (49:24):
It's not cor dimissible anyway, so it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3 (49:27):
Yeah, the inventor of the light detector came out years
later and said it was the most bullshit invention ever.
It's people that are like, oh, the light detector test
on Maury. It's like, yeah, the guy that invented it
said it was dog ship, Like.
Speaker 1 (49:43):
Just stop, what's Maury, I'm just joking. I'm not.
Speaker 3 (49:51):
Later Owen whatever tonight.
Speaker 5 (50:00):
Well everybody took a couple of seconds, but.
Speaker 1 (50:05):
Well everybody that's been tuned and I it's been selling you.
It's been going up and down. I appreciate you guys,
have Vinny. Thank you for not sending the link to
your show or your book. Yeah, I'll send it to Patrick.
I guess.
Speaker 6 (50:19):
Uh.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
And thank you guys for being on the show tonight.
It's it's it was a good episode, a little different
so a little more lighthearted and comical. Yeah. Good.
Speaker 3 (50:28):
You know what we should actually instead of we should
start a brand new podcast.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
Let's just add another one of the lists.
Speaker 4 (50:35):
Guys.
Speaker 3 (50:36):
Yeahsholes from history.
Speaker 1 (50:38):
Assholes.
Speaker 5 (50:43):
We would never run out of episodes.
Speaker 1 (50:46):
No, so have you every have you guys ever heard
in the asshole? Yeah, it's like we could we could
do something's spin off of that, but I feel like
we could just throw them on singed I socket so
the dassholes.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
So the first episode a letter from a woman where
it's like, Okay, so my husband comes home every day
from his appliance sales job and I'm just so tired
of living less than the people around us, and I
let him know about it every day. We've got these
four kids.
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Know what happened? I told him. I told him if
he would and drown himself tomorrow, I wouldn't give a ship,
all right, guys, Well, thank you guys so much again
for being a part of the show. And yeah, I
kind of like that. We're getting back on track with
(51:48):
this show. You know, every every like two weeks we're
doing one, so expect the next one to be gory
and messed up, just like the rest of them. So Patrick,
thank you for being a guest.
Speaker 5 (51:58):
If I'm available, Uh.
Speaker 1 (52:01):
I'm sure you'll be available for the next one because
you'll probably be off for.
Speaker 5 (52:05):
A few more weeks for sure, middle of April.
Speaker 1 (52:08):
Yeah, we'll get another one before then. So all right,
until next time, everybody, we will see you around. Thank you, souch.
Speaker 4 (52:16):
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