The Hill abduction

1960s alien abduction of Betty and Barney Hill. Tune in and be apart of the show!

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:15):
Do your own research. What's going on, everybody. I'm Jukebox

(00:45):
and we are back with another episode of Singed Die
Sockets right here on JJ's lounge with both my admin's
just hanging out with us at midnight, you know, on
name near one o'clock for Sean. But you know, we
do we got to do to make things happen, and
you know, this show is a lot of fun and
I love sort of the outcome we end up with

(01:06):
by the end of it. For those of you who
do watch us and watch the shows, you'll notice that
we did do two different intros, but that's because we're
doing a collab episode. I've we've done a lot. We've
done kidnappings, we've done murders, we've done disappearances, and I

(01:27):
was trying to think of more that we could do
with it, and I thought alien abductions, you know, I
mean there's cases out there that are pretty well researched
and looked into. And uh so we're going with the
Betty and Barney Hill abduction. Are either of you familiar
with that? I am not, no, Sean, No, no, They're

(01:49):
going in blind. This is great because if I'm up,
they're not gonna know.

Speaker 3 (01:54):
Well, okay, so I'm gonna I'm gonna say no initially,
but I've done enough research over the years that it,
you know, I may be aware of it. If has
there been let me ask you one question. Has there
been a movie that has been made about this abduction?

Speaker 2 (02:15):
There are there's a TV series called Alien Abductions or
Alien Encounters and they do different abductions and one of
them is overbuddy of Marty Hill. There is also something
called Fire in the Sky that you can find on
YouTube that kind of reflects on a couple of different ones. Sean,
you're smiling, like you know what that one is.

Speaker 3 (02:40):
I have the Boardlines podcast. Man, Come on, I mean,
I'm like two steps away from that dude on History Channel.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
You know, Like, I think the one thing about this
particular well, you know, before we get into this, there's
a lot of things going on with the channel. We
just released another episode of Consistently and Consistent. Sean and
I have just launched our show Message Pending, which is

(03:10):
more along the lines of we present a situation and
discuss whether it is right or wrong and how how
maybe it could have been done differently. We did this
first episode of Singed with me and Sean before we
all kind of established more of like this cold case

(03:31):
file concept and which was great, but the first episode
we did just me and Sean didn't really kind of
fit what we're doing now, So we decided to start
this other show, Message Pending, And I think it's gonna
be a little bit more of a serious, kind of
eye opener of different options and ways things could have

(03:54):
been done differently, And it might even get kind of
teary because there's some of the stuff is it's messed
up because you can kind of see the point of
each person in the clips that we do. So and Sean,
I think you remember with the dropped the wallet, there
was a few times where you know it kind of
hit you emotionally. So you know, we're getting into more

(04:17):
and more shows and more more topics and and it's
it's just fun what we do and and and whether
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We just want you guys to appreciate what we do
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(04:39):
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on the show of me. But you know there's times
where we get really explicit. But you know that's that's
the whole beauty of this network.

Speaker 4 (04:51):
Sean.

Speaker 2 (04:51):
You've got plenty of shows on here now. You have
Sewn Shank Redemption podcasts, which we have a little hiccup there,
but we got your show out but right we're going
to keep it going. And Evolution has got the Journey
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Speaker 5 (05:10):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (05:11):
You know what, And actually, Sean, you want to give
a shout out to a couple of your sponsors because
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Speaker 3 (05:18):
Well, sure, i'd be happy to. Uh, first of all,
I'm happy to be here again with you guys. Always
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Speaker 4 (06:50):
All right.

Speaker 2 (06:51):
Evolution, what you got, man, what do you got you're
working on right now.

Speaker 4 (06:56):
Right now? I got, you know, I just did a
couple more movie reviews.

Speaker 6 (07:03):
I've been banging those out pretty good. You should get
them in the in the library that I always send
everything to if you haven't noticed already, uh the radio.
And then you know, keeping rolling with what's going on.
There was a little break in there so Poetics can

(07:27):
get his vacation timeline.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
And then we got that life episodes.

Speaker 6 (07:32):
We're working you know always, you know, to get the
right guests with the right uh season or stories that
we have set up. And about that, I got a
couple of those lined up to get rolling here soon.

Speaker 4 (07:45):
So you'll be seeing about.

Speaker 6 (07:48):
Ten things popping off here in the next couple of
days or so.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
That's that's great, man, I mean were we just launched
the episode number twenty or show number twenty with our
message penning up show. And then I just came up
with another one that I've actually been communicating with the
two of you on, more so with Sean than you Stan,
just because I know you've been working. So I was

(08:16):
stumbling doing research for this show actually, and a case
file came up for a criminal who was a diagnosed schizophrenic,
and for some reason I started reaching it reading into it,
and it kind of talked about his upbringing and some
of the messed up things that he went through, and
there's a lot of trigger warnings for me. And then

(08:38):
it gets into sort of the crimes that he committed,
and then he ended up being convicted for life and
ended up being sentenced to death. But the thing that
got me the most was sort of the way that
he was raised. And so I came up with a
new show concept called Confined Entropy, and we're going to

(09:01):
discuss criminal cases where the criminals have some sort of
a diagnosis, like a medical diagnosis, whether it's schizophrenic or
you know, other things, and then break down maybe some
of the situations as they were raised that could have

(09:23):
developed them into who they are today, which is a
lot of the times. And while researching a lot of
these other podcasts out there that do convic things and
stuff like that, they don't really tap into the mind
of the criminal, and I think that that's something that

(09:43):
we could do really well on here. I haven't decided
if it's going to be the three of us or
if I'm gonna have different guests on each time, but
it'll be sort of a similar flow to the syngedie sockets.
Other than we'll be talking more along the mindset out
of the people and whether we think that the justice

(10:05):
system was fair about it, or maybe if there could
have been a different direction they could have went to
help these people, or if they even were somebody who
needed help. So that's that's the show we're working on.

Speaker 3 (10:19):
Well, I mean, you know, you know what I'm getting
my doctorate in, So just see if you have me,
I just have me on like Scota in Law and Order.
I'll just play the psychologist part and be like, well
we could have done it for that reason.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
But yeah, yeah, and there's a lot. I mean, you know,
I came from a rough pass and I know I
could have went down on totally different paths, so you know,
but that's besides the point everybody. We're just kind of
keeping updated on the network. Things on Facebook are going fantastic,
which is great now that I know how to change
it to public.

Speaker 4 (10:53):
Way to go me.

Speaker 2 (10:54):
We have been hitting you know minimum, you know, a
couple of hundred views for most of the show, some
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it don't matter. It's and they're still climbing. So thank you,
thank you, everybody that watches, everybody that tunes in. We
do have commentary, so you guys can jump in the
comments and we will include them on here. Unless you're

(11:14):
just being a clean jackass, then we'll ignore you. So
for today, we have a alien abduction case, which is
actually the very first publicly recognized alien abduction case, and
this is of Betty and Barney Hill. So this right
here is Betty and Barney Hill. They are an interracial

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couple back in the nineteen sixty one, which during this
time the civil rights movement's going on. As a matter
of fact, Barney is like the lead council in Boston.
He's one of the seats on the council for NAACP,
and she is all also involved in helping him with

(12:01):
all of this stuff. And so he's a he's a councilman.
He helps with was it discrimination cases and helping you know,
he's a very well known person in his group in
his community for helping with civil rights movements and very active.
They're also both Unitarian, which means that the church that

(12:25):
they go to. I don't know if any are you
familiar with the Unitarian religion.

Speaker 4 (12:30):
No enlighten me.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
So Unitarian is basically a church where they welcome all
religious beliefs, So a little bit of Christianity, a little
bit of Judaism, a little bit just a congregation of
people who kind of have this equality mindset. And I
think it says a lot about them because they're both

(12:56):
very helpful in the community, very involved. And it's to
me this kind of hits because being the minds, the
fact that he's in the civil rights so he even
there's records of him actually walking with Martin Luther King
and there's a lot going on for them for something
like this to happen, like it's it's like an unwonted

(13:19):
situation that occurs. So I think in a sense it
might give a little bit of a validity to it. Sean,
what do you got going on?

Speaker 3 (13:28):
It's just the horrible thoughts. Look, would you say, is
nineteen sixty one?

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Nineteen sixty one?

Speaker 3 (13:37):
Okay, So you have an accomplished black guy who's making
waves in the the country right walking with with you know,
the doctor and you know he sits on a board.
You know, it sounds like he's got some sort of
legal degree, possibly and I'm not sure there. Maybe he's

(13:59):
juris doctorate, you know, and married to a white lady,
which it was. If it were a white man married
to a black woman back then, that was still a
faux pas, but it is exponentially much more so with
a black man married to a white woman. You know
how standards work, right, Right, So you're sitting here talking about,

(14:21):
you know, mysterious abductions and everything, and I'm like just
sitting here, going sure, and let me guess the aliens
were dressed in white robes and had pointy hoods, right.

Speaker 2 (14:30):
And you know this, this is a good point because
this was a lot of the criticism on their abduction
is that maybe something did happen and they didn't want
the public to know exactly what it was. Maybe they
were trying to cover it up with this encounter. But

(14:51):
there's things that happened during the encounter that questioned that
a lot. And we're going to get into that.

Speaker 6 (15:00):
I want to I want to add that, uh, you know,
Sean makes very good points, no doubt, but the picture
that they took, the thing that really jumped out to
me on that picture was the dog.

Speaker 4 (15:14):
They're holding. The dog.

Speaker 6 (15:15):
Usually when most people take a portrait like.

Speaker 4 (15:19):
That, there's no animal, but I just.

Speaker 2 (15:22):
Want Delsie is a part of this. Delsi is actually
this is the dog is His name is Delcei. Delsi
is in the car during the subduction. So Delci is
a part of this, and that's why I actually picked
this picture.

Speaker 4 (15:35):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
So Betty is a social worker and Barney works for
the Postal Service on top of doing all these other
things that he does. Betty's family loves Barney because they're
all very political and they love, you know, kind of
having that conversation with him, and so they all get along.

(15:58):
But they didn't really get the opper to do a honeymoon,
so they decide they're going to do a little trip
to Niagara Falls. They live in Portsmouth, Portsmouth, New Hampshire,
and legit, oh thank you, thank you. Yeah, no, they are.
They're great people. Actually, everything you look on them, uh,
there's nothing to be said about either one of them

(16:20):
this negative. So I do actually encourage a lot of
people to look in this case because it is very
I wouldn't say controversial, but it's there's a lot to
be said. Scares I ever heard? Okay, there is relative.
I mean, like I said, some of this audio clips
that I'm gonna share with you guys, you're gonna be like,
what the fuck? So thank you, thank you Warren for

(16:41):
sharing that. So, yeah, they're both very involved in the community.
They have their full time day jobs, they help, they're
involved in a lot of things. So they decide, hey,
you know, we didn't really get our honeymoon. Let's make
it trip to Niagara Falls. So they make a trip
in Niagara Falls and around this time, they're testing this
new hurt Cane doppler system. It's a brand new and

(17:03):
there is a warning of a hurricane that is approaching.
So instead of them on their last night staying in
Niagara Falls, they decide, hey, let's let's drive back and
try to beat this thing. So they're going down Route
three from Niagara Falls back to Portsmouth and around Lancaster,
New Hampshire, which I'm not familiar with these places, but

(17:24):
some of you might know. Hearing Barney scream and his
regression is true horror, you know, true. You're gonna hear it.
You're gonna hear it again on this episode, So stay tuned, everybody.
I did take bits. There's a lot of the audio
recordings from the hypnosis that are under not copyright, but

(17:47):
they're not for public access for some reason. The University
of New Hampshire actually has all of the case files
on Barney and Buddy Hill. So they're on the way
back and they have binoculars in the car and Betty
is looking out the window and she observes something cross
the moon and she immediately thinks it's a falling star.

(18:11):
She points it out to Barney doesn't think anything of it.
Barney is a very skeptic on the whole aliens and
all of that, so he just kind of puts it
out and then she sees it again hovering in the sky,
and she notices that it's kind of getting a little
bit closer to them and it's behaving erratically. So she

(18:31):
wants Barney to look with the binoculars and he says, okay, well,
Delsey their docks and wants to go probably needs to
go to the bathroom. So he pulls over the side
of the road and he's looking through these binoculars and
he sees this object that he initially thought was a
commercial plane, but he said that the behavior of the
plane and the way that it was flying and then

(18:52):
it was stopped, and he said it was like this
flat disk and the lights that were on the side
of it didn't match up with that of a commercial plane.
So they get back in the car and start to
drive away, and they realize that this thing is now

(19:13):
very close. It's very close to them, and they start
to feel vibrations, and they said there was like a
blinking noise or a beeping noise, and they remember seeing
they saw saw right next to them, like on the

(19:36):
mountain side, just off in the distance. And at this
point Barney is really freaked out because he knows it's
not a plane. But they continue to drive and as
the vibrations start to intensify, Betty looks up and notices
that she can't see any stars, and Barney looks out

(19:59):
and realize is that the this thing is above them.
Barney was stoic, logical, and not prone to fancy. It's true.
I mean, he was very he's he has a military
background too, he was in the military for a few years.
Very you know, very intelligent too. I think I believe
his IQ was one forty. I don't know how great

(20:21):
that that is, but probably better than me. So at
this point, they say that they this thing stops in
front of them and in the road, and it's hovering
about three hundred feet above the ground and it's very visible.

(20:41):
And the next thing they remember is about thirty five
minutes later, they're driving home. They don't remember anything else
at this point. Okay, they're driving home. They get home
and it's she realized, but he realizes that her watch
on her wrist is not working, so she changes it

(21:04):
to the clock on her microwave, which was five sixteen
is what it read, but it never it never worked again.
So they did find out later that they ended up
home about two hours later than they were supposed to,
so there's there's a loss of time there. Betty was

(21:27):
very adamant about them leaving all of their belongings and
stuff by the back door for whatever reason. Barney talks
about how it was kind of weird, how she was
kind of be in that way.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
And.

Speaker 2 (21:39):
She's very like, wants to tell somebody about this, and
Barney is like, let's, you know, let's be smart and
kind of looking. Don't don't get too crazy about it,
and she calls her sister. She calls her sister. She's
telling hey, we witnessed in the UFO and they ended
up taking these long showers, get to get off whatever

(22:00):
because they know something happened. They do know that something happened,
and they take take a little nap. And Betty's dress
that she was wearing was torn at the hemns. Her
zipper was broken and there was like staining marks on
the inside of the dress. But instead of washing it,
she ends up just hanging it and putting it in

(22:21):
her closet. What yes? Uh?

Speaker 4 (22:26):
Do you guys?

Speaker 2 (22:27):
Before I get a little bit more into this, do
you guys have anything that you want to talk about?
I mean, I did do a lot of research, so
there might be some stuff I didn't say that I
can fill you in on.

Speaker 6 (22:36):
Well, it sounds like the two hour delay that they
can't remember was more beneficial to Betty than it was Barney.

Speaker 4 (22:46):
Uh, I don't know.

Speaker 6 (22:48):
It's kind of messed up, but her dress was her
dress was ripped and broken.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
It yes, and Barney mentions that the strap on his
binoculars was broken, and he doesn't remember it breaking. He
does remember he does have very scuffed up shoes, which
he also doesn't remember what happened. In order for his
shoes to be all scuffed up. So about ten days later,

(23:19):
those stains are still unmatched and not biologically understood. This
is true. There are three components that have been tested
from five different laboratories that are very rare items to
find on Earth. They're typically found on other planets. Seriously, Yeah,
there's three items that were found on it, one of
them being let me see here, actually I think I

(23:40):
took the recording on it. One of them was terranium,
which is very rare and a lot of like alien
abduction cases or any sort of UFO sidings, terranium shows
up on it a lot. And that is an item
that you cannot find here on Earth, and that did

(24:01):
show up on her dress.

Speaker 3 (24:02):
I've got some questions, man, Okay, here you go ahead,
because I mean, you know this, this sounds fairly boilerplate,
you know, from other abduction stories that I've ever looked
into over the years. But first question, how was the
dog acting? Was there anything in the reports?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And how the dog was so the dog was the
dog was scared? Because and this will I was wanting
to wait to kind of discuss this when we start
talking about the hypnosis side of it, because they mentioned
They don't remember getting back in the vehicle. All they
remember is this thing comes up in front of them,

(24:42):
and then they hear these vibrating noises and then thirty
five they end up waking up their thirty five minutes
from where they were, which they found out later on
after backtracking thirty five minutes down the road from what
they remember, and they don't remember anything within that two
hour time span, but during the hypnosis it does come

(25:04):
up about them getting back to the vehicle. And but
was it DELSI, I think the dog name is was
like quivering in the back seat of the car when
they got back in the car.

Speaker 3 (25:17):
Okay, and her watch.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Yeah, Barney had a watch too, he said, According to
the niece, so nice. I didn't really bring him too
much into this. But she's still alive today and is
now officially ufologist specializes in this stuff. She said that
Barney said it wasn't working. He just tossed it, and
Betty did not. She didn't toss it. She just changed

(25:42):
it to the time of the clock when they got
home and it never changed. So when it was five sixteen,
they should have been there about two hours earlier. So
something happened.

Speaker 3 (25:52):
Okay, but the watch never worked again, and that's what
you said. Did they ever have that thing looked at?
Was the metal inside of future?

Speaker 7 (25:59):
No?

Speaker 2 (26:00):
So the Kathy that the niece actually, I was just
listening to an interview earlier today with her on it
said that there's too many times that people turn things
in for testing and then they end up damaging it
or never getting it back, and she said she wants
to keep that for herself, so she never actually got it.

(26:21):
Love to.

Speaker 3 (26:23):
Okay, and then the address is what they found the
terrarium and the different things on it.

Speaker 2 (26:28):
Right worm, Well, you appreciate you finding us, man. This
is a hell of a channel. All of us appreciate
you checking this out. Thank you so much. We have
tons and tons of shows on this channel and we
do them live so that we can meet people like you.
So thank you so much for being a part of this.
And feel free to continue commenting and we'll communicate with
you throughout. Since the niece had several abductions in her

(26:53):
life story, so that could be something we can discussed
later on. But so, yeah, never got test. Did anything else?
You got any more questions? Before we keep going?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
No, I just I know how you do these things,
and I'm just I'm trying to put a little different
parts together because sometimes the most miniscule, uh details make
a difference. Like the dress seems very sensational, and I'm
not saying that it's not. But you know, some of
the things that stick out, aren't, you know, the missing

(27:26):
like the missing time I get, but like I said,
that's boilerplate. But it's the locating everything by the back
door that's and.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
That's what And Bonnie points out how that's very weird
of her because he said that betty Is was never
that way. She was always like immediately washed the stuff
and put it away, Like he said, it's something that
she did after coming back that was very not normal
of her to do, right, And they both they both
agree that something happened.

Speaker 3 (27:55):
They both agree, right, So, but I'm wondering about the
psychology of that. But then the other thing too, It's
like Worm said, this dude was a Stoic, you know,
and I practiced Stoicism, so I understand, you know, like
Seneca and the different stoics, like the practice of stoicism,
if this guy was truly a Stoic, you know, And

(28:16):
just to get example, right, right, I don't know, Just
so I'm just gonna put that out there right now.
These things are kind of sticking out and I'm just
I want to hear more.

Speaker 4 (28:27):
Okay.

Speaker 6 (28:28):
So, so Warren mentioned the dress was tested multiple times.
They still came back with the same type of stuff.

Speaker 4 (28:35):
Though.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yes, there's three things. I don't remember what I just remember.
The terrarium is one that is very rare to find.
It is found in the universe, but on Earth it
is very rare to come by. But a lot of
alien abduction cases tend to have some form of terrarium
on anything that was like any certain objects. They did

(29:01):
note the day after that there were markings on the
trunk of Barney's vehicle. They were like cylindrical markings that
were burned into the back of the vehicle, and whenever
they would put a compass close to it, it would
whirl and spin like crazy. And that weren't there the
day before. I don't have any pictures of that or anything,
but that was something that they talk about. So about

(29:25):
ten days later, Betty starts having nightmares about the incident,
and she starts writing it down in a journal, and
then there at one point I believe it's October of
the same year of sixty one. They're in church and
they are talking into a speech and one of the

(29:49):
chief detective was a guest there at the church at
the time, and he talked to the Hills afterwards about
potential potential hypnotherapy because they realized that there was missing time,
and he mentioned that they shouldn't go to an amateur,

(30:12):
they should find somebody that specializes in hypnosis. So they
find doctor Benjamin Simon. So doctor Benjamin Simon was noted
to be a He was a chief of neuro psychiatry
in the military, an executive officer at a Mason General Hospital.

(30:37):
He specialized in treating military and soldiers with PTSD through
hypnosis and was very well renowned. So they reached out
to him and he decides, yeah, I'll do the hypnosis,
and he does what's called a regression, a regression hypnosis.

(30:57):
I don't know if you're familiar with that. Let's see
what we got here. Barney busted. He was not wanted
to break You fell in love with a white woman
at the time, could get you killed. Why would he
have to make up a new boogeyman when he already
had racists and that's see, that's a huge thing for me,
especially because before we get to the sybgnosis, if you

(31:19):
think about the things that happened to them, they're in
the middle of nowhere. What if there's some people who
saw him driving by and look at the interracial couple,
followed him and did some things to him, and in
order to kind of cover it up for you know,
reputation reasons or whatever, a lot of the skeptics kind

(31:41):
of came up with this theory that something did happen
into those woods of them, but it might have been
more realistic, like some hillbilly back guys stopped them in
tracks and did some things to him, and they came
up with this wild theory of an abduction. I get
it if you if you based on the time and
the fact that people kind of scowned on a scrap

(32:04):
of the you know whatever, scoured over that. It's shitty
that that's the way it is, especially being who Betty
and Barney are. But I see how that would be
an easy, easy, just one off, Like, Nope, it wasn't
any of the induction. Something happened in the woods, They
got beat whatever, and they just didn't want to talk

(32:25):
about it. I don't think that.

Speaker 6 (32:27):
This is what throws me, well, I'm thinking about I
mean to cut you off, But if that were the case,
there wouldn't be any stop watches, there wouldn't be any
marks on the car.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
There weren't any like.

Speaker 6 (32:42):
Kind of radiation type of stuff going on when they
put the things around them.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
So to me, they kind of throws that out the window, all.

Speaker 2 (32:51):
Right, And there's more to it that gives me that
same the same response that you just said.

Speaker 3 (32:57):
How long was it from the time of the alleged
abduction to the time they went to the hypnotherapist for
the regressions about it?

Speaker 2 (33:09):
About a year later year it was December of sixty two.

Speaker 3 (33:13):
That they they've been living with this for a year
and it's getting exponentially worse as they go along.

Speaker 2 (33:20):
Yes, and it's not really public. I mean, they talked
to some you know, some of the military in town,
and actually somebody had mentioned to them that I believe
they talked to a detective who said that the army
base near them had been telling the police stations that
if they got any reports of UFOs that it needed

(33:43):
to be addressed with them. So they did get involved
with the military pretty soon on, and they were interested
in this case, like they wanted to know, why are
they asking for information about UFOs around this time? So
obviously there's something going on. You know, you had Roswell
in forty seven, this is sixty one. Yeah, there were skeptics,

(34:05):
but this is a first like abduction. You know, there's
the first person who came forward. They're like, hey, we've
been abducted.

Speaker 3 (34:12):
Right, Okay, here's the thing guys before before we keep going,
let's not act like the Pentagon just did not that
long ago, say oh yeah, by the way, there's UFOs,
and collectively the nation went, but yeah, we know, all right,
like it's it's been admitted, it's out there. So this
whole you know thing of it's you know, I mean aliens,

(34:34):
you know, it's craziness. No, we know for a fact
that they exist, right, So let's scrub that out of
you know, the negative aspect out of our minds with
that for one, But for two, I just I find
it highly suspect because something you said in the very
beginning was you know that the storm was a coming.

(34:55):
You know, there was a hurricane and they were testing
out a new doppler system, right, and then all of
a sudden, this UFO thing shows up. Now there's been
so much speculation on domestic versus interstellar you know, you know,
is it one of ours where we've reverse engineered the technology, right?

(35:17):
Or is it something extraterrestrial?

Speaker 4 (35:20):
Right?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Okay? You know, because if the government's sitting there and
never trust the government, they are never there to help.
They lie, they cajole, they do everything, They keep everything
from us because it is in their best interest to
do so. So now you have them stepping in and saying,
if anything happens, anything happens, you let us know first.

Speaker 4 (35:43):
Right.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
If i'm local law enforcement, I'm going, well, that's skeptical
as fuck, right, you know. Yeah, it's just like this,
this that recent thing down in Mexico, like I was
telling you guys about before we went on air, with
that massive, perfectly cylindrical geometric radar blob that was over

(36:07):
in Mexico City, right just to hang in there, and
everybody's like, what the fuck is this? You know? And
the thing universally that was coming out from people is
they're like, wow, that looks a lot like a mother
ship because it was three hundred kilometers in size, right right.
It's so if we just like can agree that like

(36:30):
this stuff exists, it happens. Everything that we're talking about
doesn't seem so far fetched. But now we got it,
it's I think it's almost a thing. Now is it
our own military that's doing this or is it extraterrestrial?
And the military knew some of this shit was going
on and they were trying to keep up with reports

(36:50):
to keep an eye on it.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So I do want to say that doctor Simon taking
on this case, he did it because he I mean,
he's good at what he does and he thinks that
he can actually help them. He's very skeptic about it.
He says, have any of you ever had an experience?
I have? I think that I do think that there
this could be another episode where him seriously subscribe to

(37:15):
the channel. We do stuff all the time. I'd be
happy to do some stuff on this because I know
that Sean and I probably have some I know I
have one for sure, but I want to focus on
this for today. But thank you for asking that. So
he he's skeptic about aliens, he doesn't necessarily believe anything.

(37:37):
This is the doctor doing the therapy sessions and what
he decides to do is what's called regressive therapy, where
not only does he interview them separately, he does this
with something called reverse amnesia, to where after they do
the session, he erases their minds on what they had

(37:59):
just discussed with him. And the reason he does it
is so that they can't go and collaborate, collaborate through
the whole duration of these therapy sessions where he's hypnotizing
him and getting information out that's weird. Okay, it's weird,
but it does. It does make sense. It it really does.
And he's very well known, very well respected in the

(38:21):
government agencies and in the military for helping all these
people PSC DSc. So on the first session, he starts
out with Barney, and Barney goes into basically the exact
same information that was initially he said, we're driving down
the road that he saw this, he pulled it aside.
I saw it. I started getting creeped out because something

(38:43):
wasn't right. And that's where this first part comes in.
This first little clip of the recording comes in, and
I'm going to play it as him talking about what
this thing looked like.

Speaker 8 (38:59):
I can see it tilted toward me, tilted and what
does it look like now when you say tilted, did
you see it?

Speaker 3 (39:08):
Is looks like a big pancake with windows.

Speaker 8 (39:17):
And rows of windows.

Speaker 4 (39:22):
And lights.

Speaker 8 (39:25):
Of not not like just one huge light h and.

Speaker 3 (39:30):
Rolls of windows like a commercial plane. Rows of windows.

Speaker 8 (39:34):
They're not like a commercial plane because they curved around
to the pump size of this pancake. And I say,
my god, no, I have to stick my head.

Speaker 5 (39:52):
I got to, I got to.

Speaker 3 (39:54):
It can't be true.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
This isn't there.

Speaker 4 (39:59):
M hmm.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
So that's what he's so again he initially thought this
was a commercial plane, but by time it got so
close to where he's like, okay, this is not this
is not supposed to be. And he even talks about it,
seeing six to twelve figures spread across that the window frame,
and one of them even kind of looking at him

(40:20):
and smiling like he knew that he was looking at him.
At this point, he gets in the car. They're driving
off and then they say that it comes down and
it's They get around the corner and there they are,
right in the middle of the road, basically hovering directly
over him, and they stop and uh. Then he says, this,

(40:44):
this is where things start to get you know a
little bit more like, man, this is really really messed up.
He said, yes, yes, we're my I do believe it's
based on how he's reacting to the situation and explaining it.
I don't see how you could, you know, try to say,

(41:06):
that's just a plane. You know. They mentioned several times
how there was no sound emanating from this thing at all.
But this next audio clip is going to be uh
when they initially got stopped where they went around the
corner before they lost consciousness.

Speaker 9 (41:27):
Hm, stay there and keep looking. Just keep looking and
stay there and just keep looking. Yes, keep looking, keep
could do Hairytell oh, I got to pull these binoculives
away from my eyes because if I don't, I'll just
keep staying there. Put your hairy tell you this. Oh no,

(41:51):
he didn't say it himself.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
I know, you know he doesn't there.

Speaker 9 (41:57):
Yeah, just stay there, you say, I'll take in my head.

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Away?

Speaker 7 (42:05):
God, all right, God, God give me.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
Away?

Speaker 4 (42:19):
Oh all right, mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
So at that at this point in the hypnosis, he
starts talking about how he's gets back to the car
and his only worry is we need to get out
of here, because he knows these things aren't human, and
he says, they're there. They want us, like they want
something to do with us. And yes, telepathic attack is

(42:52):
what the hypnotherapists actually described it as, because he didn't
mention that they weren't talking to him directly, but he
knows that they were saying it. So it gets back
in the car and he does drive, and this is
in the hypnotherapy. He doesn't mention it anytime before this,
and he said he gets the urge, the sudden urge
to durn it, turn down this road and go into

(43:14):
the woods. And then there's this orange bright light in
front of them, and several of these characters that are
in the road basically doing like a roadblock. So they
stop and Betty on and her hypnosis is that they're
very similar at this point. Both of those are very

(43:36):
similar reactions. Betty talks about how these entities split up
and go to either side of the vehicle and she
is terrified. They don't grab the dog, but they did
tell her. According to Betty, there is one of these entities,
the leader as she called it, who would actually talk

(43:59):
to her. She says, it's in English, he's hard to understand.
But because he's got a heavy accent, but he's actually
talking to her and he's being nice to her. He said,
you're gonna be fine, You're gonna be safe, just come
with us. And Betty recalls when Barney gets pulled out
of the vehicle, he's almost in like a hypno state

(44:21):
to where he's like almost sleeping. And she discussed, huh,
scuffed shoes. The scuffed shoes, right, And she says that
she's following these characters. They're not harming her. She looks
over at Barney, she said, about five feet away from her,
and it's like they're carrying them like because she says

(44:42):
they're all about five to five five out five to
the five foot four round in that, so they're not
very tall. She says that they're they're grayish in tone
with with very blue lips and these very dark eyes.
But they were wearing suits, uh, they were had these
caps in these suits. And two of these gentlemen are

(45:03):
or these things are carrying Barney to the vehicle, and
Barney talks about how he's scared, like he remembers it,
but he kept his eyes closed, which is why Betty
thought that he was sleeping, because he was too scared
to do anything that name two. Oh, okay, let me

(45:25):
know what that is. Look with David, I'd like to know.
And he even mentions that he remembers his feeding filling
his feet getting moved, but he's not the one moving,
so he knew he was being carried on to this ship. Yes,
and they each get taken. This is where Betty says
that they go in two separate rooms and she says

(45:49):
it's almost like a wedge shaped room. H And they
immediately take a hair sample, They take fingernail samples, and
do a few other like vital type testing on him,
looking in her eyes and her ears. Take they took
at your swab. And then the leader asked her to
get undressed and to lay on the table, which she does,

(46:10):
and she mentions that they were helping her take the
dress off, which would explain where was the tearing on
the dress. And this next part is a clip from her.
This is the last audio clip that I took. I
didn't want to get too much because I don't want
to get in trouble. So here's what we get from Betty.

Speaker 7 (46:33):
And they.

Speaker 5 (46:36):
Has a little needle, get his hand and she's the needle.
This video that Edy needle. I have a state. I
asked him what he's going to do with it, I think,
said just as Simples, who volt her face, did I

(47:00):
ask you?

Speaker 2 (47:01):
What?

Speaker 5 (47:02):
Did? He said? He just wants to put it in
my saying, yes, it's just a test. I don't know
it will hurt, don't it don't any to my nail,
And he says I'll be all right, I won't feel it,

(47:29):
and all the pay goes away.

Speaker 2 (47:34):
So this is a procedure that in nineteen sixty one
wasn't very well known. It's a it's called a anisty anestisiosis,
which in nineteen sixty one had maybe just been introduced
into like the medical system. It's a way for them
to test if there's any like disorders or disabilities with

(47:58):
the fetus still.

Speaker 5 (47:59):
In the world.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Sometimes a sentsis that's why I said.

Speaker 4 (48:07):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
But yes, no, in nineteen sixty one, this is not known.
Like she she there's no way for her to really
have known what this procedure was. But she does say
that the U the leader came over and waves his
hand over her head and then apologizes about her being
in pain. But she says it just goes away. The

(48:33):
recollection under therapy is real. I mean I think so.
The thing that sucks is under hypnosis is it's hard
to really, you know, say for certain. But even this therapist,
who's a skeptic by the end of this, even says
they this, they truly believe this, like this happened I
and he's believes that something serious happened. She does go

(48:58):
on to say that after that they're finished with her,
they let her get dressed, and she's just hanging out
in the room with this leader, the one who's been
talking to her, and she's asking like, hey, can I
take something back, you know, from from the room, so
I have some proof that this happened, And the leader says, yeah,
sure of course. And she finds this this book and
she says that it's got all these like markings of

(49:21):
a language that she doesn't understand. And then the examiner
comes back in. She says, they're like mumbling almost arguing,
like they're not moving their mouths, but they're communicating through mumbling.
And then he says, sorry, you can't take it. So
then she asks, where are you guys from? And they

(49:42):
pull out She says that they pull out this star
map out of the wall and she ends up drawing it.
Here's what it looks like. She drew it to the
best of her ability. Let me see if I can't
make this bigger, guys, And she says that when she's
talking to him, he describing the solid lines as areas

(50:02):
that they traveled to and that the dotted lines are
trade routes to other star systems. Later, in nineteen sixty eight,
a teacher ends up who's also an astronomer, finds what
they believe this drawing is based off of, which is

(50:22):
this and this is the zea reticulized star system, which
looks pretty similar. Yeah to what she drew. Now, I
don't know if she knew what that was at the time.
What does this say? Why would you screw yourself when
you're already under the gun?

Speaker 4 (50:40):
You know?

Speaker 2 (50:40):
I this is why I really doubt that what they're
saying is inaccurate, because they they why would they come
up with all of this like they have not things
are going good for them, And there's the Yeah, there's
no in the game. There's nothing at all game from it.

(51:02):
And Barney wanted so hard to keep this out of
the public eye. He was trying very hard to keep
it out of the public eye because he didn't want
that image. But he did notice. I mean, he was
worried about his wife, you know, with these dreams and
then this recurring stuff. What do you guys got so
far at this point?

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Well go, well, okay, So we've talked about this in
different episodes about you know, if you take any one
thing by itself, maybe convincing, maybe not. But you know,
if you take it all as an aggregation, then it

(51:41):
becomes like almost irrefutable. Right, the stuff on the trunk, right,
and the thing going crazy, the animal reacting the way
it does, you know, things being irradiated, you know, trying
to put all this stuff by the door. I would
almost have to guess that if somebody took a Geiger

(52:02):
counter or compass near all of their belongings, it would
probably go batshit crazy as well. Right. The dress, all right,
she couldn't take anything back, but she decided to hang
it up instead of of washing it. That is almost
like a victim if you're looking at like it from
a psychology standpoint of preserving evidence, right, and she's wanting

(52:25):
to tell people, he's wanting it to go away. He
tosses the watch, she's keeping everything. It's like you're you're
seeing two competing mindsets with this, with this whole thing, right,
and then you know, the star chart that she draws
is very close, you know, to something that you know
is already existing, you know, the advanced it was she

(52:48):
pregnant because if they're doing amuos and tisas own her.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
No, she was not pregnant.

Speaker 3 (52:54):
She was not pregnant. Okay, interesting, all right.

Speaker 6 (52:57):
Okay, So Sean, I'm a say something real quicker. I
don't mean to cut you off, but I think because
of his reaction and her reaction, I'm thinking about what
they did for a living. So he's in the public
eye and he's doing a lot of things in society,
and she's a social worker, you know what I mean.

(53:19):
So I think because of what she does, she wants
to communicate this experience to as many people as possible,
and he wants to shut it down. He's like, no, no, no,
I don't want everybody to think I'm crazy, you know,
I don't. I don't want them to ruin my reputation.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
So I don't think it's just a public eye thing though. Evolution.
I mean, if this guy's a stoic, he's military her
from his own mouth, no no, no, no, no, no no, no,
Like it's almost like cognitive dissonance. He is trying to
make it, you know, like somebody covering their ears and
something outside of the scope of reality, everyday reality, right,

(54:01):
and he's like, basically like make it not real, make
it not real.

Speaker 4 (54:05):
Right.

Speaker 3 (54:05):
So if he's going back and he's peeling stuff off,
he doesn't want to talk about it. It's like he's
his mind is almost going into protection mode, right, And
so I think, I mean, I don't disagree with you.
I think you're probably right. I think it probably does
have to do with his public life, but I think
I think it also has to do with his his

(54:26):
ingrained psychology, you know, military man, stoic, you know, a
man of responsibility and position, like all of these things
that he's got going on. And she's a social worker,
you know, she's all emotion and getting things worked out,
talked out. So she's like, you know, we got to
talk about this, you know, I mean, yeah.

Speaker 2 (54:48):
Yeah, you got anything else?

Speaker 6 (54:50):
I'm allusion, Ah, well, I'm just listening to all the
points here, and uh, it just sounds like they had
an episode that that that they can't explain even though
they was there and can't remember, uh something, something definitely happened.
You know when when you get uh stains on a

(55:14):
dress that have something that's from out of space, right,
and you you you lose time and you know your
your your watch devices no longer work, and you know,
scuff shoes like somebody was carrying you and dragging you.
I mean, this is this is straight direct contact, right,

(55:38):
I mean, uh so, who knows what happened?

Speaker 4 (55:43):
You know what I mean?

Speaker 2 (55:45):
And during the you havenosis, a lot of this stuff
comes up and worm, I mean, you're just putting out
straight points, man, a bullet points here. I mean, you're
you're not right or you're not right, You're not wrong.
A lot of this leans towards it being such a
realistic case because and even the government was involved, like, hey,

(56:06):
we want to know what you saw. And at one
point she discusses and then after all of this hypnosis
and everything's done, she talks about Matty talks about how
the government was taking a lot of this and blue
booking it and changing the storyline, like they want to
know all the information and most of what they wanted

(56:27):
to know about was the UFO. How did it look like?
What were the rooms?

Speaker 4 (56:32):
Like?

Speaker 2 (56:32):
What kind of tools were they using? Like those were what.
Whenever she had any sort of investigation with any government official,
it was always based around the UFO itself. It was
never about their situation with what occurred with them, but
rather the scenery and the UFO.

Speaker 6 (56:52):
Okay, so I want to focus on the storm and
the Doppler machine whatever. I'm thinking if if this is actual,
that was probably the transformation time warp whatever that they
went through portal in order to uh make this, uh

(57:17):
this uh appearance possible.

Speaker 7 (57:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Well, during this time, there's a lot of talk of
like nuclear warfare, getting it towards the end of the
Cold War, and and a lot of these alien abductions
and these UFO sidings even today you have to do
with like being around nuclear plant, like launching new whatever.

(57:44):
Are you guys getting.

Speaker 3 (57:47):
Yes, massively?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, I just got there. I'm gonna blame it all them.
That just means that we've accepted you into our group.

Speaker 3 (58:01):
Okay, jukebox, do you mind if I say something request?

Speaker 2 (58:04):
Yeah? Man, go ahead. I mean there's there's a little
bit more because now we're going to get to the
point of leaving it and you know, so yeah, go.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
Ahead, okay, So like if you dip into the whole, uh,
you know, extraterrestrial cryptids. You know, there's there's grays and reds,
and you know, the reptilians. There's so many different types
of you know, assumed extraterrestrial races that have a vested

(58:34):
interest in this planet.

Speaker 4 (58:36):
Right.

Speaker 3 (58:37):
And the thing that I find interesting because if if
the government is incredibly interested in the tech and well
what shape are the rooms, what did it look like?
What do you see around there? It's almost like they're
trying to identify who picked them up because I don't

(58:57):
care about what was done to them. They want to
know about the surroundings the architecture, right is what it
sounds like interesting? Right, So if if we you know,
go with the if we posit that the different races
are true and the governments are like, explain the architecture

(59:20):
to us. You like, if somebody are down here were saying, well,
what kind of buildings do you see? Well they were
they were foresighted, and they all came to a point
and they'd be like, well those are pyramids. You were
probably seeing a ziggaratte you know down South or you
know South America in Egypt, right, so maybe that's the
same thing, like they're trying to figure out what race
was down here picking them up because they're doing a

(59:41):
threat assessment.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Right, Yep, that makes sense. So Betty talks about, you know,
after she talks about the star map, she talks about
how she's still talking with the leader and the examiner
comes back in and starts kind of messing with her teeth,
and she realizes it's not hold on, what are you

(01:00:06):
saying here, man? Uh, it's really not about what they
look like, but what do they want? Correct And it
seems like they're just studying them. Honestly, according to Betty,
this was a very other than the needle and the navel.
She said it was very pleasant. She said when she
started screaming and was in pain, the leader came and

(01:00:26):
kind of waved his hand over and the pain was gone.
The Leader is very like sympathetic with her, and she
even makes a point to say that some of these
other characters almost seemed like robots. And if we talk
about the Grays, that we know all these theories about
the Grays being more of like a suit for alien
aliens to kind of communicate through. That's actually been talked

(01:00:50):
about in many cases. So it's possible, you know, it's
possible that some of them were real and some of
them were just you know, robots or whatever. But she's
about them coming to look at her teeth, and she says, oh,
they must be looking at Barney because Barney has dentures
because back when he was in the military, he was
in a grenading accident and lost a lot of his teeth.

(01:01:12):
So they came in. But then she jokes about it,
like under the hypnosis, she kind of giggles, and she's like,
you think in an advanced race would understand what that was,
you know, the denters and yeah. So then she says
that they they said, okay, we're gonna take he as back,
and she remembers Barney still being in this like trance

(01:01:34):
like state. As they head back to their vehicle and
they tell Barney. Barney talks about how they tell him
to wait until the UFO departs before they leave, and
he gets back in the vehicle. They both do and
they start driving, and they remember the Delcey's in the
back like cork cowering, so she was left in the vehicle.

(01:01:58):
They did have a gun in the car are that
he Barney had grabbed earlier on when they were first
looking at it when we started getting scared, and he
said it was still in the seat when they got
back to the car. So they didn't take anything out
of the vehicle. The vehicle was untouched minus the markings
on the back of the trunk which they found.

Speaker 3 (01:02:18):
And before we get back and like the tires and
the hub capsure.

Speaker 10 (01:02:28):
The center blocks underneath the car wield are gone. Purse,
we got something. We got the aliens guys the first
space jacking.

Speaker 4 (01:02:56):
And that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
I mean that the hypnosis kind of fills in that
too hour gap and then I've already kind of explained
the rest, and it does go on where they start
getting publicity. They really just wanted this case to be
either proven that they're what happened happened, or what they didn't.
In nineteen sixty four, one of the major I think
the Boston Posts did an article on them and it

(01:03:19):
kind of threw them back into the picture, which they
again they didn't want any of this. They didn't want
the publicity, They didn't want to make money off of this.
They just wanted to let people know what happened to them,
and it's kind of backfiring in them, which might be
a positive way for some people with the publicity, but
they didn't want that, which kind of gives me more

(01:03:41):
leaning towards the fact that this like they have nothing
to nothing to gain from this, Like really they don't
want it to be public, and when it does happen,
it causes it more issues. Barney starts having problems. There
is of Barney inspecting him, which I forgot to tell this.

(01:04:04):
When they were inspecting him, they did like a sperm
sample with They put a cup over his groin and
he took a p sperm sample and then he ended
up with warts around, like a ring of warts around
his genitals. He gets it, He gets them tested, and
they don't know what it is, so they have him removed.

(01:04:25):
When he's in remission during the hypnosis, he discusses it
again and the warts come back. What and he has
to get them removed again.

Speaker 3 (01:04:36):
Wow, in the space gun areeas Yes, the fuck I.

Speaker 4 (01:04:44):
Told you it had something to do with that earlier.
You didn't believe me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:48):
You know, arguing about the spaceship. He's like I told
you to wash the cup from the last day.

Speaker 6 (01:04:54):
Because Benny said they treated her real nice and it
was pleasant, right, And then it comes out there Barney's like,
hey man, they got some stuff from me. You know,
it wasn't as bad as it could have been. Right,
We're alive.

Speaker 2 (01:05:10):
Yeah, So that's I mean, that's it in a nutshell.
I mean, you get dig deeper, there's more details. But
like I wanted to capture some of the main points.
I wanted to do the hypnosis last because it kind
of contradicts some of the things in the beginning. But
this is kind of where like you heard me in
the beginning where I said something about, you know, maybe
some people who are very prejudiced found them and did

(01:05:31):
something to him in the woods. Could that have happened, Sure,
But based on the information that we know and the
artifacts like the dress having those weird chemicals on them,
and the rings on the car that aren't explained, what
do you guys think, Well.

Speaker 6 (01:05:48):
There's there's one more thing that we kind of missed
out on. And as Betty said, the stars disappeared, So
I'm wondering if they actually took them somewhere. And because
their watch is stopped and all this other stuff happened.
I mean, it could have been a lot more than
two hours, but it was two hours out of time, right.

(01:06:10):
But if she noticed that the stars disappeared and they
were abducted and they were actually doing physical uh examinations
on them.

Speaker 4 (01:06:19):
They could have literally like took them somewhere.

Speaker 6 (01:06:22):
You know what I'm saying. Uh, that's all I got
on that. But it just makes you know, that's that's
a heck of a you know, recognizing that the stars disappeared.
That that's a heck of us statement right there.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
Well, and they do mention that when they look out
they see the crack above their vehicles. So it's just
big enough to blog out the stars.

Speaker 4 (01:06:45):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:06:47):
Uh, while we're talking, what do you mean by the
star chart is ridiculous?

Speaker 4 (01:06:52):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
Are is that?

Speaker 4 (01:06:53):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:06:53):
You don't you don't agree with that? And I'm just
curious and not I don't want to argue. I just
I'm curious to hear your feedback on it. Uh, Sean,
go with what you got.

Speaker 4 (01:07:02):
Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:07:02):
I look, here's the thing. I think it's you know,
I'm basing this less off of the evidence that as
president and I think is present and I think there's
a preponderance of evidence that is present, which you know,
the suitcases, the scuff shoes, the rare materials on the dress,

(01:07:24):
everything else. Right, what we're saying, oh, the fact that
at the point, yeah, yeah, I agree where I'm absolutely,
it's more the psychology of it, right, because you know it,
you know, I said the thing jokingly, but if you
look at it in a serious way, like, oh, did

(01:07:45):
they get found by some you know, assholes out in
the woods and they had stuff done to them? You
would think somebody who's fighting for civil rights and trying
to get you know, shine of light on racism things
would not be afraid to say this happened to us
and we survived that, this is what this is exactly

(01:08:07):
what we're fighting against.

Speaker 6 (01:08:09):
Well, I have a different angle on that because in
those times, with what was going on, especially with interracial activity,
they would have.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
Just been missing. They wouldn't have they wouldn't have found anything.
They would have just been gone and may have found
the bodies.

Speaker 6 (01:08:24):
But you know, those type of things back in those
days just ended in tragic you know results.

Speaker 4 (01:08:30):
So yeah, especially out in the middle of nowhere, right right.

Speaker 3 (01:08:35):
So you take all that and collectively with the regression therapy,
all the things and motivation to right, that's another big
thing whenever you look at these abduction things, you know,
that's one of the first things that I've ever looked
at when I've been studying anything to do with occult

(01:08:56):
stuff whatever. It's like, what do they gained from it?
And there is no positive on the the other side
of this for them, right to tell to talk about
something like this, there's no gain. There's there's no financial gain,
there's no fame, fortune, anything. It's just it's not there. Okay.

(01:09:17):
So when you add all of that together, like I
just I cannot see this as being anything other than
as it's built.

Speaker 6 (01:09:24):
Right, you know, well, well this this this thing just
really I can't get rid of this. The genital warts, uh,
they were they were removed right until they talked about them,
and then they reappeared. That That's that's some craziness right there.

(01:09:46):
That's that's another level of facism, I guess, uh, right,
that one messes me.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
It is it was weird. And the thing is is
that a lot of the things that they discussed isn't
like they just saw it in a movie yesterday. Because
the roswel Is incident was in forty seven. There were
some like random like UFO citing like people between that

(01:10:20):
time that started. I mean, it was starting to kind
of build. But the first like the fact that this
is the first couple to come out saying, hey, we
were abducted, and they give you the scenario, and you know,
but with the two hours missing, I could easily see
people going, eh, you know that, didn't you know? It

(01:10:43):
wasn't a UFO. Something happened to you, guys, and you're
covering up with this crazy story. Something bad happened to you,
and now you're covering it up because you know you're
an interracial couple. There's people out there that don't like you.
Probably got your ass whooped in the wood, and you're
trying to cover it up. But why would you go
to that length? And again, they've got nothing, They've got

(01:11:05):
nothing to lose, Like they don't have They could have
kept this quiet and been perfectly fine and probably even
ended up better off in the future because of it.
But because of all of this outburst of just like
the military getting involved and and this her dreams causing
more issues, it just they needed to get help. And

(01:11:29):
but when Barney realized that. Because Barney was trying to
find reasons for this not to be what it was,
he was trying very hard, but he knew that it
was not whatever it was was not human. And he
talks about it and they're not human. They're not you know,
they're they're talking to me, but they're not talking to me.
It's it's telekinesis. And what what what benefit did they

(01:11:51):
get out of it? I mean they they didn't. I mean,
if anything, the reputations kind of got altered and and
eyes on them weren't necessarily positive eyes.

Speaker 3 (01:12:05):
Yeah, yeah, no, No, it's like worm said, why bring
extra heat? It doesn't make any sense, Like there would
be less heat if they got found by some racist
clansmen's rednecks or you know, black folks that were pissed
off that it was happening, you know, and you shouldn't

(01:12:25):
be doing interracial stuff, whatever it is, because if they
come out about that at the time, you could imagine
that the sentiment would be like, well that's what you'd get,
you know, but it would be something that folks could
equate to an a. Therefore, b right, there's less heat

(01:12:46):
in that, you know, which people back then would see
as a normal consequence from your choice, even as abhorrent
as we think this is right at this time. Back
then they would say, well, that's what you get. But
for them to come out and say, no, we were
abducted by aliens, that that's a whole other level of
ridicule and criticism that they're bringing into an already uh

(01:13:11):
tenuous or not tenuous a tense situation's absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 2 (01:13:17):
Right, right, Worm says, looking at times makes zero sense.
My dad's a black jazz musician. My mom is a
pasty white little girl. You don't want to you don't
want to mix things up and draw attention. I mean,
you're right, you're they're not trying to draw attention to themselves.
But you know when when they report it to the

(01:13:38):
middle of the air Force base and then one of
the chiefs chief detectives come to their church and want
to talk to them, and then they're like, hey, you
should go see a psychologist. I recommend this guy. They
do it. I mean, it's not like we can help
you regain these two hours. Like they're feeding for this information,

(01:14:03):
like they're like something maybe they know that it's real.
You know, they're like this match is what we're trying
to figure out. So they're trying to dig and dig
and get more information about what was the vehicle, what
did it look like? Who are these people? So I
think just from the military view of it and their

(01:14:25):
view of it, it just seems very realistic if it
seems like that's exactly what happened.

Speaker 6 (01:14:31):
And also, you know, I have to kind of point
this out as well as normal individuals every day doing
I guess successful things in society, something like this happens,
so you're not the same anymore. You know, you should
after that. You know, there's no explanation. It's weird, it's unusual.

(01:14:51):
It just it just happened to happen to you and
your wife. That's some spectacular this stuff, man, That's that's amazing.
You know.

Speaker 4 (01:15:06):
The occurrence is that you just can't.

Speaker 6 (01:15:08):
Get rid of even though you don't want to remember it,
you know, I mean, it's just right.

Speaker 2 (01:15:17):
Well, that's what we got for tonight's show, guys. Hopefully
you guys liked it. It was a nice little blend
between our two shows. I think when I decided that
I wanted to do sort of a clash with your
with blurred lines. I still wanted it to be a
very fact based, informative discussion, So so I came up

(01:15:41):
with alien abduction. And when I came up with this
Barney Hill, Barney and Buddy Hill one, it was like
and started digging into it. It made me feel like
there was multiple, multiple things to discuss more than just
the alien abduction. I think that the racial side of
this kind of play into it. The fact that he's

(01:16:01):
part of the you know in NAACP, he's part of
the civil rights group and the like. There's just they've
already got eyes on them being an interracial couple in
the nineteen sixties. They're already that pressure. They don't need
this extra So it hit a lot of points to
me to kind of say that this incident is accurate

(01:16:25):
and that I mean, that is my conclusion is they
did get abducted.

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
With a bad question.

Speaker 5 (01:16:34):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:34):
And Worm, I do want to give you a big
shout out, man, you hung out the whole show. You
said you just randomly found us. We appreciate you. This
is great news. This is always fun.

Speaker 7 (01:16:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Check us out on all of our social media platforms.
Evolutions got several shows on the channel. Sean Shanks got
several shows on the channel, some comedy, some serious, some
you know, just whatever.

Speaker 5 (01:16:57):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:16:57):
And we do more than just talk shows, man, but
this is what we do. We do it because we
want to find people like you that are interested and
be able to use you guys as part of the show.
So thanks again, and you know we've got more shows coming.
So until next time, everybody, we'll see you around right.

Speaker 4 (01:17:16):
Take care.