The Jamison family

A whole family disappearance for 4 years. Drugs, gangs, witchcraft what happened to the Jamisons?.

Episode Transcript

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What's going on? Everybody? Welcomeback to JG's Lounge with another episode of
Singed Eye Sockets. I'm actually verypumped about this, especially since the last
four days. I've been going backand forth with Sean and rescheduling like six
times, and then we finally allgot lined up for right now, so
we're doing it right now. I'mpretty pumped about it. Evolution man,

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what's going on? Hey man?Busy as usual, you know, I
don't stay still for very long.Glad to be back once again, and
just looking forward to this episode.I love doing the sins dass sockets and
ready to get another one out theway. Well, yes, and then,
Sean, you've not only been busy, but you're traveling right now.

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Right, Yeah, I'm coming toyou from the lovely state of Ohio,
from Cuyahoga Falls, where I'm currentlyin the midst of a week at the
Funny Stop Comedy Club. How isit there? I mean, yet,
your room looks very thrilling, verylots of kellers going on behind you.

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Well, okay, so the lovelyowners at the Funny Stop have had this.
This is what they call a comedycondo, all right, And you
know, typically we get put upin hotel rooms. But you know,
eighties and nineties, early two thousand'sclubs would have they would own apartments,

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right, and this one still haslike a couch from the nineteen eighties,
you know, with the do youknow what I'm talking about, with like
the weird flower patterns on it andthinks Grandma's house with the brown like wood.
It's a bit antiquated. But youknow what, I got a roof

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over my head. I'm having afun week. You know, I'm working
with very funny Katrina Brown and BobMcClure, so you know, I'm having
fun. Man. You know,I'm very blessed. I'm grateful I get
to do something that I love andmake tens of dollars at it. At
least you're making tens of dollars doingsomething you actually enjoy, dude. It's

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the other thing is it's one ofthose things like if you know you'd do
it for free, you know you'rein the right space. You know,
I just finished, you know,as you know, I just finished taking
a special last Saturday at the ReeseTheater that wud be working to get on
some TV and you know, soldon some different platforms, and you know

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it's I'm still coming down from it. Man, my brain's in a fog
because it was just it's been suchit's been an amazing run and it keeps
going, so I'm gonna keep doingit. There you go. I think

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I did I mute myself? Arewe good? Yeah? I can hear
you know, jeez, we're beingridiculous by Sean's talking about his passion for
what he does. Yeah, Iwould put I would put it on mute
too great going here. Hey,I made it clear that I heard what
you were saying, So here yougo. Jesus shut up. On another

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note, I did just release anew show on the network called Emerging Lanes.
It's going to be a fan submittedstory podcast where I take other people's
stories and then find two or threestories similar online and read them. It's
a little different for me because youknow, I like this live interaction stuff,

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and anybody who's already listened to itor you know, hasn't and does
will realize the difference between the two. And I think it's going to be
a challenge for me. So,uh, let me know what you think.
If you guys did check it outwith that being said, man,
we've had like eight of these episodes. Now, what all We've done Gypsy
Rose, We've done the three guyswho froze to death in the backyard,

(04:33):
the boys that went to a basketballgame in California and disappeared. What else
did we have? The kids thatdisappeared right, the house fire? Yeah,
the house fire were the kids theythink disappeared. Yeah, that was
and then the people who are inthe cold are and oh the daft pass.

(04:56):
Yeah, that was a fun one. The boys on the tracks where
they think the government might have beeninvolved. And then the last was the
last one in the Australia case.Yeah, we did the one with Jeffrey
Deskovic and I thought we did onemore on the Australia case where they know
they're pretty sure the wife did it. Yes, yes, oh man,

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that was even the the like abail, yes, and the back of
the track. We've done a lot. We've done a lot of episodes,
Sean. We did the one onthe dropped wallet too, that was That
was a That was the very firstepisode. Seems like forever ago. It

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does. Man, that's crazy andit's only been a few months. Hey,
at least ring them the episodes outthere. That's nice, absolutely,
all right. So or A,either one of you familiar with the Jamison
family disappearance of Oklahoma, I amnot. I'm sorry before you said disappearance,

(06:02):
when you said her be familiar withthe Jamison family, I almost said,
I've spent a few nights drunk withit, you know, because of
the Jamison family. But then youno, this is news to me.
Man. That's good. That's good. I've had a few nights with the
Jamison family myself. If we're goingdown that route, all right, well,

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let's let's put this up here.Well, I just got a message.
Whatever. So this is the Jamisonfamily. You've got Chrilyn Jamison forty.
She's forty, Bobby Jamison is fortyfour. They're married, and they
have their six year old daughter,Madison Jamison. In two thousand and four,
you got Bobby and Cherlyn getting married. They're pretty happy together as far

(06:51):
as family and friends say. Theyseem like a decent couple. They get
married and a couple months later theyhave Madison. So it moves pretty quick.
Two thousand and nine, Sherilyn andso Sheerlyn's got another kid from a
previous relationship, and in October oftwo thousand and nine, towards the beginning

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of the month, she goes andtalks to her twelve year old from a
previous relationship, and he mentions thatnothing was odd about their conversation and that
will make sense later on because whathappens, he says, was never mentioned
in their conversation, which you wouldthink would. So October seventh, two

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thousand and nine, the family decidesthat they want to move out of Ufaula,
Oklahoma, which is a lake sidedproperty they lived in since they were
married, and it purchased quite abit of land out in about thirty forty
minutes south of town. So Octoberseventh, they go for a ride to
this forty acres of land. Theycall the landland and tell them, hey,

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we're gonna be in the area,but we're just looking. We're not
you know, you don't we wantto meet us. We just kind of
won't look at the area. Andthey end up lost, and a neighboring
person that lives out there reportedly tothe cops later on, just said that
they found him and asked where theywere. He pointed them back to where
they were supposed to because they weredefinitely off track, and instead of going

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and looking for it that day,Bobby and Sherylyn decide, hey, let's
just go home. We'll come backtomorrow. Now in October of eighth,
this is the last day that anybodyever finds it, or that sees them,
or has any sort of recollection ofthem being anywhere. There's a little
surveillance video I'm going to share rightnow, and then basically what I'm doing

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is I'm unraveling what's happening, andthen we're going to backtrack to some of
the scenarios that could have potentially happened. That sound good, yea, yeah,
all right, here's a video thatI got. This is surveillance.
There is no there's no audio.But basically, according to the officers and

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the investigators, there's times where Maryland, either Sherilyn or Bobby will just be
standing there just staring off, dazedand confused off of the distance as they're
going back and forth between their vehicles. And sometimes they said, they're not
even carrying anything with them, andwhere are they at right now in this

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sor they're at their home and youfollow this October eighth, this is the
last time they've seen, and thisis that this is a footage of the
last known whereabouts and where they are. All right, are you guys on
track at the moment? Yeah,yeah, Okay. So they go to
find these forty acres of property andthat's it. They disappear and nobody sees

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it. This is October eighth,right, So October sixteenth is when some
farmers are out there hunting and theyfind their truck and it's abandoned. The
only thing and there is that they'reaware of is a dog, and the
dog is still alive. So it'sbeen it's been eight days and you find

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this abandoned truck with a dog stillin it and they're still live. They
call the cops. The cops getthere and the truck's still locked. There
is a phone, a cell phone, a purse, a wallet, and
thirty two thousand dollars in cash underneaththe driver's seat. Yeah, so this

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is a this is all play bigbecause even today, nobody has any clue
what happened. There's literally just theories. So yeah, evolution, make sure
and write that down because that's that'llbe a point later on. Mostly because
they're both disability, they both areliving on disability. Uh he in two

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thousand and three got a really badcar accident that messed up his back that
was preventing him from working. Sohe was on disability. And she was
on disability because in Chrilyn because intwo thousand and seven her sister got a
real bad beasting on her tongue anddied. Wow, and it caused her

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to just kind of go off thewalls. I guess I got real depressed.
Charlane's got by polar issues and soshe was medicated. You can go
on disability, right right, yeah, so ahead, I'm sorry, but

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I know people with like forgive this, and I'm probably gonna catch some smoke
for this. But with with legitimatedisabilities that have trouble getting disability, you
know with it they got like aleg off or something, and you know,
have had issues. And I canyou know, if we're going to
pull out the card deck o tragedyand just start laying cards out of who's

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had like I could lay out somecards that are vastly worse than beasting death
up against that and how I mean, I'm sorry, that is the biggest
mystery right now, right right well, and then so there's thirty two thousand
dollars in cash in aren't there.They're financially not that well off because they're

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both living on disability. So thatis a concern not just to the investigators
but also the family members because they'relike, they don't have that kind of
money, why would they just havethat kind of cash well else? So
the cops blocked off the area.They did find out from a relative that
she Sheerlan usually had a twenty twopistol and the truck. They never found

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that either nowhere on the property.About fifteen minutes a fifteen minute walk from
the property up the hill. Thedogs they had dogs that tracked their they're
scent, and they found that therewas movement and stuff up there. And
then the phone that was in thecar had two pictures of the daughter which

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I took on that rock. Sothey had to have left the vehicle and
came back at some point. Soand these are dog owners again, who
would leave their dog just in thevehicle like this. I mean, if
anything that you think they would havebrought them with them. But here is

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the pictures, the last two picturesthat they had on the phone. This
is the rock where the sniffing dogskind of found their scent and this is
where it ends. And as thedog was in the call a little bit
of one. Yes, so,and investigators are actually concerned. And I

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don't know how I feel about thisone, because they said the picture on
the right almost looks like she's scared, and that a parent would have retake
the photo based on the stance ofthe daughter, almost like she didn't want
to take the photo. I don'tknow. That's pretty speculative because I've taken
pictures of my daughter that are likethat, So I don't know. Yeah,

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and kids, I mean, there'sa reason why there's a term called,
you know, the petulant youth.I don't know if you ever heard
that before, but kids don't sitstill for stuff. They're not always happy
about things. So that I'm sorry, but that just seems like a stretch.
That's why I will That's how Iwhat I'm looking at is in the

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first picture, she had the puppyand it looked really natural. She might
have been irritated or unhappy that thepuppy wasn't was taken away from her to
take the other photo. There yougo, the only evidence that you're gonna
get from that photo is that theyhad the phone on their person when they
initially left the truck and they cameback, so they had to have come

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back to the truck, and thatis the last known any tracks or anything
that they find. So they endedup doing a three hundred person just stated
the park. They did a fivemile radius comb of the area. A
very rough terrain, very tough.They said that the week during their disappearance

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before the car was found, itwas very wet and rainy. It's October,
so the weather's like a forties fifties, very tough. And that being
said, they come up with nothing. The search dogs, they had drones,
they had those heat sensor helicopters outthere scope in the land. Because
it's two thousand and nine, soit's not it's not severely long ago.

(16:04):
They had quite a bit of technology. Is it just me or do I
feel like I'm missing some big contextualclue that you haven't dropped yet, like
some sort of twist, because Idon't know. It's just everything is very
strange and there's not a lot ofconnective tissue between these like facts that you've

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dropped. Except for them, nothingis adding up like, and that's that's
kind of why I'm doing it thisway, and actually is because the theories
make this whole thing more confusing.So I figured I'd just start with the
head on of here's they're disappeared,here's what they found right off the bat,

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and then backtrack into some of thehistory behind the parents, okay,
and family relations. So the thirtytwo thousand, you know, might seem
like a red herring at first,but the fact that they're both on disability,
no matter how they came across beingin that category, it's very strange,

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you know, especially just being underthe sea of the truck and the
fact that it's still there. That'sthe thing that's kind of hanging up in
my head is that it's still there. Because if they were going to disappear,
and I say they did it intentionally, they would one take the money.
But like you said, dude,if they're dog people, they're taking
your dog with you. Yeah,yes, and your phone exactly. And

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that's why a lot of the speculationstarts out right at the back. The
truck was in complete working order.There was no sign of any kind of
threat or like hustle like between anybody, and there they left everything. They
even left their jackets in the car, which even more weird because it's,
you know, thirty forty fifties outside. They're going into the wilderness with this.

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Something had to have happened. Somebodyhad to have been there and maybe
held them at gunpoint and wasn't awarewhat was in the car, or they
like saw some sort of a drugdeal out in the middle of nowhere happening.
Yeah, this is in thirty minutessouth of Ufaula, Oklahoma. There's

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like some many mountain range areas downthere, and they were going to look
for property. So, I mean, these are forty acres of land.
I mean, you're talking about neighborsthat live miles away from each other.
Like that's the kind of and sticksand hills and just easy get lost.
And they do talk about how thesehills are known for oil mining and that

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when they were talking to the neighborsabout the truck sitting there for a week,
of them said that they had seenit, but they just thought it
was surveyors coming and looking at someof the old oil filleds and just so
nobody like looked into it. MI mean, that's that's what we got
so far. And I mean Sewan'salready kind of put where he's at in

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at this point evolution you got anythingbefore we kind of start backtracking a little
bit. Well, I mean,I'm like Sean, uh, I think
we had the same reaction when weheard thirty two thousand under the seat.
But I guess what's jumping out ofme the most outside of that and the
cell phone is the dog. Thedog in the truck or it's a huge,

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huge that's and it's a little puppy. So I just can't see anybody
even if something's even if there's danger, you know what I mean? You
know, I would think people theywould forget their cell phone because they do
that if it's not danger. Theydid it on a regular day. Sometimes

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they might even leave the money becausethey're worried about their life. But people
typically will risk their life to gettheir dog and take it with them.
So to me, that stands outmore than anything else, even though everything's
weird, what you got, Sean, you said the dog was in the

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truck. Yeah, and still liveafter the dates starting and not doing well,
but still live massively dehydrated. Imean, human things after three days
are in deep shit if they don'thave water, so quick question was their
food or water in the truck.There's no information on that. Just to

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severely dehydrated, okay, and thedog was starving and just not in good
shape is all it says. ButI was okay, I was just gonna
say, that would be a hellof a curve ball if they'd actually left
food and water with it. Yeah, you know, but yeah, all
right, Okay, So the bodiesweren't found, and this next part is

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sort of just a jump of whenthey found them and kind of ties into
why there's no final explanation. SoNovember of twenty thirteen is when some hikers
were hiking through an area two pointseven miles away from the truck and found
the skeleton remains of two bodies.And it took another day for investigators even

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get there because of how rough thetrain was, And upon getting there they
did find two adult skeleton remains anda little girl. They said there was
like a clothing scattered, the bonesare kind of moved around like they've been
picked out, obviously from wild animals. But they said because of the decay
of the skeletons remains, they nevercould confirm it was them. They were

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just allegedly that that was them,based on, you know, just the
truck being nearby. Investigators swore upand down about the conditions of the weather
during the them searching the area couldhave played into it. Leaves covering the
bodies, you know, because theyfive mile radius with three hundred people and

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they didn't find them. And theyeven says that the bodies were all faced
down next to each other. Hmhm. Even that sounds like some mafia
type of execution stuff. Just wait, I got some stuff to throw at

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okay. I was just about toask what was the condition of the skeletons.
Then they have blood force trauma.There were no bullet wounds. They
said that Bobby did have a verysmall hole in the school, but they
investigator said, did not look likea bullet wound, almost like the decay.
It's some form of decay that havestarted on it. So there's no
force like proof that there was agunshots or anything. Got okay, But

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there are many ways to execute people. You could hit them in the back
of the head with a hammer,some sort of a bar anything. You
know. The fact that they're allright there together. If we were going
with the assumption that it is thethree of them. You know, I'm
just wondering about the condition of theskeletons one but two, you know,

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Yeah, I know things can getmissed, all right, But if you
got a three hundred person search teamin a five mile radius, you know,
ye, you would think, youknow, three bodies, somebody would
have seen that. I don't know, I don't think so. I mean
when you think about the elements ofwhat was going on, the cold,

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the rain leaves, I mean,it almost sounds like their heads were held
down in like mud or so sosulky mud, you know, like what
a very saturated area to smother themand all at the same time, and

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then they probably would just covered,believes and then walk away. That's what
it sounds like, you know.I mean, dogs are not gonna be
able to sniff them out, andnobody's gonna be able to find them unless
they're looking at you know, theyknow exactly where to look. I mean,
you could literally walk past them ifyou didn't know what you was looking
for. You know, it's possible. But I've been hunting, you know,

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in that area of Oklahoma before Iactually lived in Oklahoma for about three
years. So are you familiar withyou follow Oklahoma, I'm familiar, yes,
but this story has escaped my attention. But the thing is, there's
a vast difference between the wilderness,wilderness, wilderness of Oklahoma versus like going

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up into like Michigan or you know, Washington, the Upper Northwest. I
mean, lower trees, scrubby orbrush. It's not as thick, I
guess, is what I'm getting at. So I just I mean, yeah,
evolution, I agree, man,somebody stuff gets missed all the time.
I can see. It's just it, I don't know, seems weird.

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And the fact that they're all faceddown right next to each other,
it's very strange. They said thearea didn't look like there have been a
struggle either, so they really killedsomewhere else and brought there. Yeah,
you don't know, It's just it'sweird, like the fact that there's I
mean, what do you think asfar as the body is being so decayed

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that they couldn't identify them? Doesthat sound about accurate for a decomposition of
a body in just four years.I mean I could see how the flesh
being gone, yeah, but thebones decay to that degree in just four
years, right, yeah, yeah. I mean I just don't see that

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type of decay going especially if thatarea is the same way every year.
You know, I would think it'dbe kind of preserved more than it would
be decayed. Okay, yeah,yeah, And I mean, granted,
I know it's the South, somaybe dental records are a bit trickier down
there because they only have maybe oneor two teeth to identify them by.
But you know, we're talking twothousand and nine to twenty thirteen, and

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I'm unless these people were just impoverishedto the point where they never had any
sort of work done, right,which is possible. It's possible. Yeah,
but are you trying to tell methat they were so decayed and decrepit
that they couldn't even use the teeth? I mean, that's based on the

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information that we see. Yeah,three people, a kid and two adults.
Not one of them could be That'syeah. I find that very suspicious.
Right. So one of the oneof the officers, speculated that they

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got lost and that the weather justkind of did him in, like they
just didn't make it because the weather. They were one of their jackets,
Cold Rainy Weather died of hypothermia.That was one of one of them expected,
but after talking to Colton, whichwas Sheridan's older son, he said
that Bobby was very well trained onmountain hunting and being out in that situation

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that he chances are rare that hewould have gotten lost. But they were
lost before. Yep, they werelost even going to Well And that's that.
The others and that's the other sideis that Bobby has back issues now
he's struggling. They said the terrainwas rough, so why would they have

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even gone out as far as theydid if in the condition that he was
just just too much for me tokind of say that he yeah, he
lured him out there intentionally. Ithad to be by accident or somebody took
them out there. M let's see. Sherry's mom questioned why they were faced

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down, which we all have thatsame question. She also mentioned how much
Sherry loved that dog and would nothave left the dog and the vehicle.
Bob Bobby Dean's dad. Bobby wasalso suspected as maybe the murderer because his

(28:57):
dad and him as his dad owneda gas station and he promised the kids
if they weren't there for free whenhe sold it they'd get half the money,
and they never got the money.So Bobby ends up suing his dad
in earlier two thousand and nine forten thousand dollars and they start having issues.

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He even reports that his dad triesto hit him with his vehicle that
the family's now scared for their life. This happened within a few weeks prior
to them disappearing, and Bobby evenmakes a statement saying that his dad is
involved in the gang's prostitution and meth, saying that he's a dangerous person in

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that he's it feels like he's abovethe law. But his dad's sixty nine
at the time, so they thinkof him as a suspect based on the
information they received from fellow friends andfamily who told them about these instances.
Mm hmm, but there's They ruledthat out pretty quick because Bobby's uncle,

(30:12):
Jack the brother, said that yes, his brother was very distraught and a
very wicked person, but he wasliving in rent and like living homes at
the time, like the assisted livinghomes, and or in the hospital a
lot during that time. He actuallyended up dying December the same year from

(30:34):
a health issues. The only reasonthat I can see this still potentially playing
out though, is if he hasthose kind of connections, could he have
hired somebody to do the work forhim. Yeah, absolutely, yeah hired.
But there's also all right, sowithout going into too much detail,

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I was related to some folks wholived on a property that was owned by
a head of a well known bikergang. All right, now, this
guy was retired, all right,this head of the biker gang. Super
sweetheart of a guy, very nice, you know, but he's one of

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those ones that you just knew,like if he came a foul of him,
it would not be pretty right,and constantly all right, now,
the way that there were two houseswithin shouting distance of each other, he
lived in one and these relatives ofmine lived in the other, and constantly

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members of the gang were still comingover to his house, constantly coming over
fixing. And it was a farm, so that if anything was wrong,
constantly fixing, anything that would happenin my relatives place, these folks would
come over or fix it. Wouldn'tcharge a thing, Nope, nope,
We'll take care of it, likeconstantly taking care of constantly still having the

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respect, you know, like whenyou were in organizations like that. You
know, you don't have to hirethings are just done right, right,
So that's a possibility. But thething that is still sticking and you guys
know how I get like if there'ssomething that is a fact that's not two

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things now one thirty two thousand dollars, that's really bugging me. But connected
also to the dog, the phone, yeah, funck and the pictures on
the phone because they had to goout and get the pictures and then the
phone was in the truck, right, so they had to take the phone
back to the truck right right.What the dog was with thirty two thousand

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dollars is that? And you alsohere's another thing, all right, So
the evil dad in the nursing home, you know, calls down the thunder,
they get axed out. That's prettycold to take out your granddaughter.
Yeah, like the sun okay,fair enough, you know, but to

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also get the granddaughter. And againthere's no like, there's no other bullet
ones or anything. They could havestrangled and what don't I only who knows,
well, seun, this is whatI'm thinking. Somebody in that type
of lifestyle who's successful with that typeof lifestyle. Uh, there's a thing

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called no witnesses, you know,and no matter what the scenario, if
you go that distance to handle somebodyor take care of a problem, uh,
you make sure that there's nobody totell the story or to go ahead.

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Yeah, I just want to piggybackon what you're saying here, because
because if you I did a littlebit more research on like gang killings and
stuff like that, and I foundout that a lot of those kind of
killings, they will not touch theirbelongings, less any chance of them being
touched the money if they first off, nobody even knew they had the money.

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And if it was, it wasprobably the person who was there,
but or or it was just somebodythat was after them and didn't want if
it was just hey, here's we'renot here for a hit, take them
out, don't go through their ship, just get out of there. So,
but why is the dog still alive? Then? Right? No witnesses

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dogs still alive? Yeah, Imean the doll's not going to tell the
story, you know what I mean, you don't really know how to speak
puppy, right, they where thedog would be like, they're like this
four pound thing is not going toget us through all these piles of leaves
to find the right I mean,it's I mean, it seems kind of

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like the as far as what's goingon, so far, the most solid
theory we've got, So it getsa bit weirder. So another thing that
they did find in the truck isan eleven page letter from Cheryl talking about
how much she hates Bobby and wantsa divorce, how much she despises him

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as a human being, as afather, about how he's just became a
hamster. He doesn't do anything,his disabilities just made him this miserable person,
and she wants a divorce, andit's eleven page long thing. Now
the family a family friend or herfriend Nicky talks about how she's bipolar and

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then when she's on the medication andoff the medication, her only remedy is
to write like she loves to write. So had she missed her medication and
was just on like a weird likespiral out writing my journal kind of thing?
Who knows? But the they're havingsome situations in their marriage obviously,

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hmmm. And that now I don'tI don't think this is like a murder
suicide where she like resents the frienddoes mention that Sherlyn talks about how she's
envious of Bobby's relationship with their daughter, and apparently this is not a rare

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thing where sometimes one of the parentswill be resentful of their kid from getting
too much attention from this bouse andthat had come up in conversations with the
friend. So I don't Again,I don't see murder suicide here though,
I really don't. They're talking aboutbuying this land together at the time,

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they're out here scouting land, andit just I don't know. And the
sun remember mentions that he didn't hearanything about any of this, like there
was no plan of the moving,if anything was spontaneous, or they just
didn't want him to know. Okay, So so back up, I just
I just thought about something this wholetime. They're trying to buy land,

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right right. And you mentioned aten thousand dollars amount that was from a
lawsuit or something he was that hewas trying to get ten thousand dollars from
his father for all the time thathe worked and was promised money. Okay,
but there was you also mentioned alawsuit, right, Yeah, do

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you know the amount of No,he never got anything that the judge ended
up like acting out or dismissing it. For some reason. I think I
had to do with the fact thatthe dad was dying pretty much. Okay,
Well somehow I just remember probably heOkay, so let me put this
together real quick. So if thewife is pissed off and not happy because

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they're on disability, she's ranting andRaven thrown a fit writing these letters,
and of course he wants to tryto fix it, so he borrows money
from the gangster relative. Yeah,and of course he can't pay him back.

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But he's trying to look for layingin a far away place, maybe
a getaway, and they found outabout it, and he sends the people
after him and say, hey,you know what, we don't want any

(39:05):
clues. We want to handle ourbusiness. You know, I don't want
no witnesses. Do what you needto do, make this go away,
and don't touch their personal belonging.Sozill'll lead back to us, you know
what I mean? Yeah, whatabout the puppy. I don't spare the

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puppy, right right, I mean, they what I can think of is
their back. They come back tothe truck and maybe they had already been
found by this approaching vehicle. Sothey're doing whatever in the truck and then
they're startled. They shut the doorsand they walk away from the truck.
And then whoever's there is like,who gives a fuck about the truck?

(39:53):
We're here for them. I thinkthe picture tells the story, the picture
with the little girl happy with thepuppy, and then the second picture with
her without the puppy and looking alittle different. You know what I'm saying.
This is a lot. This isa lot where the truck was left
I found. So it's this roadthat opens up into this weird patch of

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land in the middle of nowhere.Middle of nowhere. But that's what I'm
talking about. The terrain and thelandscape, you see, know what I
mean, it's not it's kind oflow and scrubby. Yeah, there's trees
and things, but it's just it'snot as thick as when you go hunting
in the woods, you know,up north right, right, Okay,

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So we saw something very early on, but we haven't touched back on it.
And it's the surveillance video. Yes, the day before they disappeared.
Right, they are walking the property. This is the property. This is
the front of the house okay,and this was where the video was taken.
Yeah, I'm guessing from like thecorner of the upstairs to like the

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patio area. There's probably camera rightthere kind of watching them. Can you
show the video game? Yeah,I can do that. Hold on,
bear with me here yet. Boom. And that's the truck right, Yep,
the truck in the back. Butthere's a lot of other cars there.

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Yep. But they said, andobviously this isn't all of it,
but the investigator said, there's multipleoccasions where they'll go out there. You
don't see them talking, you don'tsee them holding anything, and it's like
they're going back and forth to thetruck, pacing and sometimes just staring blankly
like zombies. Okay, so letme let me elaborate even further what I

(41:52):
was talking about this. There's there'sa whole other aspect of this that I
haven't got to yet, So goahead. Okay. So I'm thinking,
I'm thinking whoever off them was theretelling them to get whatever they were getting

(42:13):
and get into the vehicle, andthey pursued them out there in the middle
of nowhere and then then did whatthey did. Yeah, I think so
too. So do you follow.Oklahoma at this time only had about three
thousand people in it, so alot of people were investigated. And Nikki,

(42:35):
who has already been mentioned in thisstory, when investigated, tells again
this is Sheerlyn's good friend, tellsthem that they are involved in witchcraft.
Okay, so here's where it startsgetting even more weird. So over the
last multiple months, her and Sherilynhave been studying to be witches and doing

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a lot of like summonings and thingsermons and things on the property. And
Niki talks about how there was aninstance in the house where there was a
gray mist that just showed up inthe room that they were in and just
dissipated out of nowhere and terrified herand she didn't want to go back to

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the property. Chrilyn had discussed aboutit potentially being an Indian burial ground and
that she Sherilan was very like deadset on figuring out the history about the
property because they were having a lotof apparently paranormal issues on the property,

(43:45):
and not just Chrilyn because the pastorseveral months back, was approached by Bobby
asking if there were bullets made specificallyto get rid of demons. Okay.
Right, So somewhere and here thingsget really weird, Like when they're investigating

(44:09):
their property, there are like weirdquotes on the wall about get them out,
just go away. They had astorage unit on the property right here
that they were actually gonna live after. They were gonna live out of this.
They were gonna move this to theforty acres and live out of this

(44:30):
until they could build a property.Seriously, Yes, I mean that's like
something you load onto a ship ora train, you know what I mean.
Yes, there was when they foundwhen they were investigating the property after
the disappearance, they found a prettyfresh quote that was marked on here that

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said three dead black cats in areathis week, which is don't like when
black cats are burned? Was spraypainted on the side of this thing.
Okay. So there is speculation,obviously, theories that the zombie mode that

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the parents were in were either somesort of a possessed state or the drug
related because they had sort of connectionswith that stuff, although a lot of
the family and friends said that theydidn't. They weren't really known for being
druggies. Hm, what' you got, Sean? Well, since you asked

(45:45):
all right, So if you know, I don't know, if you've heard
the theory of Ookham's razor where it'slike the simplest explanation is usually the correct
one, right, Yeah, Nowthat this element has been added, and
you know, I have my beliefsin the occult and spiritual things and ghost

(46:08):
stuff. We've we've talked on mypodcasts about those things. But this actually
makes all of the weird threads thatare kind of floating out there make a
bit more sense. Yes, ifyou if you, I mean with the

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condition of the bodies, the waysthey are placed, the lack of you
know, anything obviously being done tothem, like you would have to do
so many things to get people todie. Like we're pretty squishy, but
at the same time, human beingsare pretty damn resilient. And now that

(46:54):
picture of the girl makes a littlebit more sense. You know, if
she was scared the fact, Imean, you know, if they were
walking around like zombies, maybe someshit went down where they're terrified and they
were trying to get away and escapeto the woods, like maybe something happened

(47:16):
at the spot at the house,right, And this all of a sudden
has turned into like some sort ofyou know Cabin in the Woods haunted movie
where they're trying to escape the houseget away, but the thing followed them.
You know, I don't know,man, but this like this sort

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of weirdness starts to make things makesense in a different sort of way instead
of entering random games. And ontop of this, on top of this,
Nicki and Sherilyn were getting involved ina cults in the areas and Sherilyn's
mom was reported by one of theirone of the church people that went to

(48:00):
church with them said that they theystumbled upon a satanic occult's book and it
was a hit list of people andthey said that Sherilyn's name was on the
list. Real. And here's thething is, we're writing this weird line

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of paranormal and reality because occults arereal. We know they exist. We've
busted many of them, and theydabble in these kind of things, whether
they're real or not. They dothese things. They do these rituals to
attempt to summon thing that happens.So it almost makes the nonsense makes sense

(48:47):
for the case. Yeah. Amen, Look they say, you know you
maybe heard the saying that that wasthe greatest trick is making the world believe
that he doesn't exist right, right, and just the way this whole scene

(49:08):
is broken down, you know,unless you've got some weird other thing you're
going to be bringing to the table, like but yet there's more, you
know, right right? I thinkI think I ended it the right way.
Like I wanted to leave that aspectout because there were too many loose
ends, and when you throw thatinto it in a very weird way,

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it makes it make sense. AndI will go as far as to say
this, you know, I've beenthinking about my response to the gangster solution.
If it was about money and theyowed him money back, then they
would have probably went through that vehicle, the house and everything else I got

(49:59):
them. Yeah, they probably wouldhave found that money and and it would
have been no super amount of moneyin that truck, and he the truck
might not even have been there,you know, So the family didn't even
know that they had that money.The occults whatever, probably had no idea
that they had the money. Andyou're talking about sticks parts of Oklahoma.

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I know there's plenty of like KKKgroups. There's a bunch of like there's
these they still exist like that.There's very wrapped to groups that are still
out there today. So this isnot that far fetched of an idea,
right, but if we factor inall right, let's just lean into this

(50:46):
thing that it was some sort ofyou know, paranormal thing, right,
think of a jig then a lotagain, a lot of this makes sense
because you know, the whatever,demonic, whatever thing would give two ships
about a stack of money would reactthe dog was trapped inside of a truck

(51:10):
slowly dying over a period of days, you know what I mean. Like,
there's just you know, it maysound crazy to some, but I
mean this has all the you know, if it walks like a duck and
quacks like a duck, it mightbe a duck, you know what I
mean. Yeah, Uh, dome a favor. Pull that spot of

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land back up again. I justbecause there was a mention of like an
Indian burial ground, right, No, on the other house hold, on
second life, on their house hmhmm. I'm more concerned about that big

(51:55):
flat land of empty space, right. What do you mean where the truck
was? Yeah, you know,like right there. Yeah, did that
look weird or odd or anything likethat? I mean, now, there's
a lot of areas like that outthere out there, I mean through Arkansas,
Oklahoma, there's a lot of likejust random open fields like literally in

(52:17):
just littered with mountains around them likethis, So that's not very uncommon.
Plus you got oil old oil minesand stuff with fields and stuff like that,
so there's probably quite a few ofthese. Okay. Now with that
being said, if there's a lotof occults and things like that, uh,
they're probably going out to areas likethis to do things. Yeah,

(52:39):
oh yeah yeah, so hmm,yeah, I don't know. I'm leaning
towards and it could be even amashup of the paranormal and the occults even
being tied together. You know.I could see that because before that part

(53:00):
even came into play in the story, I could see the dad hiring a
hit man to take him out andnot giving a shit about the money or
anything of the truck. But whenI read about the paranormal aspect and just
the fact that they were dabbling init, it almost made the rest of
these little clues that you're like,what what it's like? Okay, Okay,

(53:21):
that actually kind of makes sense,you know, Okay, here's here's
here's a question. Why was hername on that hit list. We don't
know. We just know that herand Nicky were involved in that kind of
stuff and maybe she did something wrong. I mean, one of the detectives
did say that Bobby and Sherlyn wereknown as scammers, although nobody else kind

(53:44):
of nobody backed that statement that theofficer made. He was the only one
who had made that statement. I'mnot saying that it's inaccurate, but there
was no other backing. There wasno other witnesses because that did show up.
But it even stated that he isthe only one that ever mentioned any
of that. So you've got twosuggested scammers with twenty four thousand dollars in

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their truck under their seat, knownto dabble in the occult and satanic shit,
having experienced crazy stuff as of late, and then all of a sudden
they're outside of their house in azombie state kind of wandering around. And
then next thing you know, thisthis happens right because they've stolen money from

(54:36):
the a goal well or somebody verypowerful in that group. And you know,
you talk about the dad in thenursing home hiring out a hitman to
go get him. What better hitmancould in occultist leader send out after somebody
other than a demonic spirit, right, you know, wonders out into the

(55:01):
woods. There's no signs that they'reall faced down. I mean, and
they appear with four years later,yep, Yeah, two miles two and
a half miles away from the truck, when they had scouted five miles.
Yeah, and they weren't buried.And in their own the cops the only

(55:23):
explanation was, oh, there's probablyleaves. But you think that the struck
the sniffing dogs probably would have caughtthem. I don't think so. Not
if it was rainy and wet.Maybe they got got abducted by aliens and
then dropped off there. I mean, yeah, it's possible. I don't

(55:47):
know. There there's there's it's thefact that there's literally no anything like we
just there's nothing. Nobody knows whodid it, even to it. There's
no clues to anybody, just thetheories. And I've still caught up on
the thirty two grand because they're bothon disability, Like it couldn't have been

(56:10):
their money, Like I'm guessing itwas not their money. I'm guessing they
got it from somebody and they wererunning. Yeah, they scamped. They
all right, I'm laying down thetheory. This is Sean's theory. Okay,
somebody in this group they got themoney out of them, and essentially

(56:35):
a demonic hit was called out.They felt it coming somehow. The signs
are there. That's why this thesurveillance stuff. And you know that last
photo of the kid being terrified.Yeah, I'm telling you, man,

(56:58):
what do you got to stand?I'm really curious on yours because you don't
really, you know, believe inthat, you know, you don't not
not really. I'm more of aI look for the facts and and the
things that stand out, you know, or is the huge dollar amount they

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were they were obviously hiding or somewhatone of them was hiding under the seat,
and it's like, I'm thinking about, you know, how they were
looking on the camera at the house. You know, I'm thinking that somebody
was like, you know, eitheryou produce the money that you owe ys,
but we're going to make things reallybad for you, you know.

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And that's kind of why they werewalking in and out looking kind of puzzled,
and nobody's gonna say anything because theywanted that money to buy the new
land and you know, make themove and get away. So because they
didn't say any thing, they weretaken out to this distant space. We're

(58:07):
in the middle of nowhere and removedfrom existence. Uh, that's just kind
of where I said, don't youdon't you think they would have taken the
money back? Well, they didn'tknow was there. I feel like if
I was coming after them for money, and I would, I would have
searched the truck. Well, whatI'm thinking is they were such in the

(58:28):
house, you know, I thinkthey were such in the house for it
ain't Nobody was saying anything, andthey didn't think to look in the car.
They just thought to say, youknow, if this is your last
chance, if you don't tell uswhere it is, then we're going to
make this really bad for you.Nobody said anything and they have it or

(58:51):
demons don't give a ship about money, That's true. Neither do colts and
gangs. Well, they care aboutmoney, but not if they just want
to get you killed. You know, when you when you pissed the daddy
gangster off, Uh, and youknow you you ted devil and the other

(59:12):
things. Uh, and things happenedto you. I guess what do you
got what do you got? Sehnunexplained, still sucking. No, I'm
cool with the explanation I came upwith. And I think this has gone
way more Amityville, yes hundred thenit than it has with you know,

(59:38):
the nursing home. And and here'smine my theory. So Bobby's been disabled
since twenty twenty h three, Sobefore they even got married, he was
having back issues. Well he wasn'tdisabled them, but he was already starting
to have issues where he can goto work on time or and and he

(59:59):
ended up getting dis ability pretty muchwhen they were getting married. And then
she gets disability two years prior.So they're stuck on this property together twenty
four to seven. And if she'sstarted to dabble on this which stuff,
she's probably getting weird. Plus she'sgot to buy polar issues, So whether
she's taking her medicine or she's nottaking her medicine, if she's off of
it, she's probably starting to seethings. And it's probably going to be

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terribly difficult to get Bobby to believethat it exists. If her friend Nicky's
over there doing seances and shit withher and the property and Hrilyn's like,
oh this is you know, there'sa burial ground heare, I know it,
I'm gonna prove it. And Bobby'sjust stuck in the middle of it.
I mean, they could have allkind of just kind of lost their

(01:00:44):
minds into this idea that Cherylyn madeup and drove them to kind of be
like, we got to get outof here. What are we gonna do?
Right? And they came up withplaying to steal money from somebody or
something as they couldn't afford it.Let's let's let's see, let's let's go
down this lane for a minute.What if there was drugs involved and disability?

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So yeah, I mean she's takenout of her presence. They've already
proved it. She said that she'snot the same person when she's off of
it. She's actually a lot different. So yes, I mean drugs were
definitely a factor in this. Andand as for Bobby, I don't know,
but I would assume be on disabilitybecause of backpain. He's probably got
some pretty strong pain meds that areprobably pretty addictive mm hmm. And that

(01:01:34):
does that cause you to have Imean hallucinations and stuff if you're overdoing on
it. Could they have been experimentingwith, you know, medications that would
make you hallucinate. Ah, andthe cult rituals. They do it all
the time. Here's some payote,let's do this, and we're gonna do
the sayance, oh ship, there'sdemons in my house. I better go

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get some bullets from the pastor.I mean, if they're getting Bobby involved
in these occult rituals, that's thekind of stuff that you're talking about,
witchcrafted things. I mean, they'retaking drugs to enhance the effect of whatever
they're doing on some of that stuff. I'm pretty sure they're probably getting involved

(01:02:22):
in drugs. Maybe not all ofthem, but several of them. There's
just but the kid wasn't on drugs, yea, yeah, And there's no
and if this is a little kid, and say this kid got throttled,
right, the hyoid would be broken, right, Okay. But there's no

(01:02:49):
signs of any blunt force trauma.There's no signs of any stabbing. I
mean, you know, ritualistic sacrificesthings like that. You know, there
was a pinhole in Bobby's head,but they said that was most likely just
to deterioration over the four years.Okay, I can buy that. So

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you know, you start scraping awaythe fact that there was there were no
signs okay, not a broken orbitalbone where somebody got cracked in the face,
anything, No broken rings. Youknow, they're just face down dead
right and hypothermia. Okay, maybe, I mean it's we are talking Oklahoma,

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you know, And I saw onesnow down there when I was down
there that they got two inches andthey shut the entire half of the state
down because they were afraid of snowwaves we called drifts up here in normal
land. Right. But hmm,Sean, you use the word that kind

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of jumped out at me. Theykind of takes me on a different angle.
Use the words sacrifice. So ifthey were dabbling in all these things
and enhancing their sense senses with drugs, and maybe it's a combination of all
the above, but they were trippingon some stuff hallucinating and sacrifice the little

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girl and also went the distance themselvesto whatever. Okay, you know it's
so strange. I mean it's hardto say, no, that's that's not
possible, Like we can't we're outany of these things we're saying because the

(01:05:09):
facts of the case are just soout there. I mean, even the
suggession that there was an alien abductionand then it just flew over and just
you know, and dropped them downin the midst of a clearing and fucked
off of the universe. Okay,that's a possibility. Clearing in the mountains,
Yeah, why not? Yeah,you like throwing a discarded wrapper out

(01:05:32):
the window, you know, asyou're driving it, you know it's possible
because of what the evidence presents.I mean, it's typically in these things
that you know, it feels likewe have a pretty good lock by the
end of these things on Yeah,this definitively seems like this, you know,

(01:05:53):
this one with the addition of likeif you add how they were found
the money, which you know,I understand you did some research in gangs
leave that stuff for no evidence.Okay, but I'm kind of with evolution
on this one, where you know, I'm taking the money, right,

(01:06:16):
I'll leave the phone, don't needthe phone, who cares about it?
At most? Maybe i'd smash it, right, Yeah, maybe smash it
between two rocks, just obliterate everything, wipe it clean, kill the phone.
All right, fine, you know, but if you if you take
the whole of everything. I don'tknow, man, it seems like this

(01:06:43):
one, the spooky stuff is kindof that. That's where my flags are
popping up with this one. Eitherway, it's it's gonna yeah. On
my end, it's it's no matterwhat outcome, it has some sort of
a creepy fact based by behind it. Like even if it was the people
and there was you know, realpeople and a cult, any of that

(01:07:06):
kind of stuff is just creepy tome. I mean, it's fascinating,
but as creepy as hell, youknow, you know. And I'm also
thrown with the uh what do youcall that? The storage deal that they
were talking about living in. I'mlike, what what type of person in

(01:07:29):
their right mind who want to livein something like that? They weren't,
they were. That's why I thinkthat there was some sort of drugs involved.
Yeah, them to kind of comeup with that theory of, oh,
we just move out there and liveout of this. Yeah, that's
a bit much. Well, Imean, okay, so there are some
preppers that bury those things underground andtreat them like bombs or like fallout shelters,

(01:07:55):
right, that does happen. Butto just PLoP one down and you
know, say, we're out ofsome lawn chairs up in this bitch and
a house. That is a bitof a stretch, But maybe that's that's
you would be like, well,maybe that's all they had except for the
fact they had thirty two thousand freakingdollars on them all. Right, But

(01:08:16):
then again, we're you know,you bring up a good point about that
container evolution because that was the thingthey had the spray paint on the side
again called stuff and what a weirdwhat a weird message to leave on the
side of that. Yeah, threecats dead in the area, which is
like, yeah, what what wasshe getting into with if she was the

(01:08:44):
one that did that? What wasshe doing right right where they dropped the
line like that on the side oftheir house? Right? Well, you
know, I feel like this isa pretty pretty open ended episode, but
I like how it when, andI think we've got some pretty strong theories
no matter what. I think.What I like most about this one is

(01:09:05):
how open it is, Like there'sreally no definitive ruling out any of the
theories, right Yeah, and itwas a tough one, man. So
yeah, guys, you know,I always appreciate doing it. I know
you guys like doing them. AndI really didn't expect a definitive answer out

(01:09:28):
of any of us on this onebecause it's just so far fetched. It
was the dog, and it wasthe dog. I was possessed, possessed
by a demon and told him whatto do with telekinesis. If you've ever
seen the movie Drag Me to Hell, when the goat gets possessed, you
would, Yeah, that's Gypsy Roses. Mom came back and the dog.

(01:10:00):
Take this medicine. You need thismedicine. Take this all right, guys,
it's getting late. Hell of theshow tonight, though. I appreciate
you both again, everybody that's beentuning in. Man, we love you
guys. We love this, orelse we wouldn't keep doing it. But
you know, you guys just helpedmake this so much easier. So we

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love y'all, and until next time, we'll see around. Take care,