October 15, 2025 • 42 mins
0:00 - We have no idea what to make of this Broncos vs Giants game coming up on Sunday. The Giants look rejuvinated with Jaxson Dart under center. The Broncos have to readjust from the London trip without a bye week. But, Dart is still a rookie. And this Broncos defense is great at making rookie QBs suffer.
14:12 - We do it every Wednesday at 6:20am! Time for another edition of NFL STOCK UP - STOCK DOWN!
32:01 - Let's not get too excited about preseason...but that being said...the Nuggets looked good last night vs the Bulls at Ball Arena! Murray looks lean and ready to roll. Valanciunas looks like an actual backup center who can get physical in the post and share minutes with Jokic. This revamped lineup already seems like the real deal.
14:12 - We do it every Wednesday at 6:20am! Time for another edition of NFL STOCK UP - STOCK DOWN!
32:01 - Let's not get too excited about preseason...but that being said...the Nuggets looked good last night vs the Bulls at Ball Arena! Murray looks lean and ready to roll. Valanciunas looks like an actual backup center who can get physical in the post and share minutes with Jokic. This revamped lineup already seems like the real deal.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is Six in the Morning with Brett Caine on demand.
Check out Brett weekday mornings at six on Altitude Sports
Radio ninety two five and on the Altitude Sports Radio app. Welcome.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We had obviously some technical issues that we had our
work our way through. My apologies for what took so long.
You know, sometimes Fox Sports likes to think that they
can interrupt this program and I tell them buzz off.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now that it looks like we're through that, I want
to talk a little bit about the Broncos in the
game this weekend, because you have the oddity of a
couple things. You know, mention this going into the game
last weekend, where the New York Jets are.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They difficult to part it?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, but what could be the pitfalls that you could
trip over in having the game result in a unwonted result?
And it was pretty obvious what you've had is a
London trip in which London's weird and weird things happen.
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And that's entirely what that game was. I mean, you
watch all of these games that take place overseas.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Typically they're odd.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They don't look like a normal game that you would
see at two o'clock on the weekend. They don't look
like a a Sunday night game. They don't look like
a Monday night game. They don't look like any of
those Thursday night games. Get weird too, short week less preparation,
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less times for bodies to heal. I mean, those are
all different sort of scenarios that we kind of watch
and we say, Okay, there's a consistent theme to this.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The weird thing about this weekend is.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What does it look like when a team returns from
London without a bye week?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And how often does that happen?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, I am not somebody where I've been overseas
to Europe before and then came back and dealt with
what that jet lag is and the the time zone changes.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But I've heard it's brutal that it takes you days
to get yourself back situated on the right sort of timing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, I'll tell you what makes it more difficult facing
a Giants team that seems to have a little bit
of momentum. You know, I'll say this, I don't think
the quote momentum that they have is real. And when
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I say real, I'm talking about like the talent is
just better than people thought it was and were surprised
by it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think they've just caught this a little bit of
a high with putting Jackson Dart in a lineup in
finding some positivity. But to their credit, the two teams
that they've beaten are the Chargers and the Eagles. That
is not nothing. And yes they caught the Chargers on
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a day where they had a whole bunch of guys
hurt and blah blah blah. The bottom line is they
still found a way to win. By juxtaposed that with
they lost against the Saints. So what about that. There's
a whole bunch of different things that are kind of
thrown into this ball here that I would say variables
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that are hard to account for. One is I don't
know what type of player Jackson Dart is. Two, I
don't know what teams look like with a it's gonna
say a short week. It's not a short week, but
it'll feel that way because of all the adjustments you
have to make in coming back from Europe. So those
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are certainly factors. But here's the big one. I think
this is what matters the most. The Broncos defense is
so good at making teams uncomfortable that they should be
able to chew up a rookie QB that I think
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the number one equalizer to a whole bunch of different
things that you might be disadvantaged to in a game
is that you can sack the quarterback a million times. Now,
we've talked about this a lot, the idea that Sean
Payton's number one thing that he looks for in prospective
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quarterbacks and the reason why he was so in on
bow Nicks was bo Nicks's sacrate was really really low
in college. And I do think that's a skill. You
can have different things thrown in where maybe your offensive
line is better and that's why the numbers look better,
maybe your offensive line is worse and that's why your
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numbers look worse. But to do that over five different
teams in college and now one year in the pros,
and then even last week, where I think we all
sort of saw the Broncos offensive line without Ben Powers
was not the same, couldn't run the ball as effectively.
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Matt Pear chumps in. He's now hurt, he's on IR
so they have to find somebody else to replace Both
Parrot and powers at that left guard spot. But even
despite all of that, bow Knicks was sacked one time,
and I believe if I remember right, it was a
few days ago. Bow Knicks took the sack to keep
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the clock going. It was almost like, not intentional, but
once he found out that throwing the ball away would
do them no good, he just kind of ate it.
If I remember right, maybe I'm thinking of another week.
He's very rarely sacked though. The reason why sacks are
so important is because for most teams they don't have
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Patrick Mahomes, and they don't have Joe Burrow, and they
don't have Lamar Jackson. So if you get sacked, it's
a drive killer.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It ends.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What the defense does to opposing coreterbacks is basically end drives.
And that's the one thing about playing this rookie quarterback
this weekend. Who yes, is he having his nice little
moment in the sun And might he be a really
good quarterback for the next ten years? I think all
of that's possible. Like Jackson Dart, he kind of gives me,
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like Drew Lock vibes of some raw talent mixed in
with some personality and spunk. Could that turn into something could,
But for this week, the one equalizer to all the
different variables that I think could hinder you.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Is that your.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Defense is just it's mauling. It doesn't give anybody an
opportunity to breathe. Quarterbacks sit in the pocket and it
feels like they panic, and they should for good reason.
If I'm staring across my offensive line and I see
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Nick Bonito, and I see Jonathan Cooper, and I see
Zach Allen, and I see everybody else JFM staring me
down knowing that hey, it's third and eight, this is
a passing situation.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
They're gonna be coming. It's a freaky sort of.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Uh prospect. I don't think we quite understand yet how
good this defense is. When pats Ertan said before the
season started he believes this can be a historic defense,
he didn't mean Broncos history. He met NFL history. And
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for the moment, they're on pace for it. They average
through six games giving up two hundred and fifty four
point two yards per game. That's second in the league.
Somehow Atlanta is a yard better through the passing game,
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They're third in the league. They give up one hundred
and sixty five point two in the running game. They're
fifth in the league, I'm sorry, sixth in the league.
Give up eighty nine on the ground per game. In
points their second they give up fifteen point eight and
then tack on top of all of that, they are
on pace to shatter the NFL record for sacks in
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a season. And you can say, well, guess what, Brett,
they got an extra game. An extra game doesn't make
up for being on pace for thirteen more than the
leading team in NFL history. Again, the Chicago Bears in
eighty four had seventy two sacks. That is the NFL
record for a team in a season. You were on
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pace for eighty five. And this is not a small
sample size. We're in Week six. That's over a third
of the way through your schedule. If I told you
some d in the MLB was on pace for one
hundred home runs through fifty four games, you would tell
me that's a real number. And so this defense is
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just so elite at getting after the quarterback that it
is the ultimate sort of bleep you to any drive
that you want to put together consistently because you can't.
You know how penalties are drive killers. I want you
to think about this for a second. Penalties like a
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holding call kills you first and ten turns into first
and twenty, but at least it's still first down. You
take a ten yard sack, it's second in twenty, you're screwed.
Unless the defense makes some big time mistake of letting
somebody run wide opening coverage or pass interfered, there's really
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no way to come back from it. So that's why
I think you could find another game this weekend that's
gonna kind of piss you off.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Could be.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Where it doesn't look clean, it's a little bit ugly, but.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
The defense sort of carries you to a win. Again.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think that could be the case. I really hope
the offense gets in gear. But if I'm trying to
figure out, hey, which game feels like the one that
the offense sort of returns to form and makes you
comfortable again, Is it gonna be the week where the
offense just really struggled and then came back and has
to deal with all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I would be more than happy to be wrong about that,
But it really is, when you think about it, the
separator from knowing your team's a championship contender to being
a pretty good team is just the offense needs to
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be a little bit better. It's frustrating because we've heard
that before. But I also think with this team it's
way more possible than the others that you've had. Like
those Broncos teams with Teddy Bridgewaters were not going to
be very good on offense.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
They just weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Now, man, the formula for success is throwing five yards
short of the stick on third and long. That's how
you do it. Brother.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I wonder if if Sean Payton is coaching, you know,
he had that quote after the game where he was asked,
is this a defensive team? And he said it was today.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think he's fully aware that it's a defensive team,
and I think that sometimes that permeates into his play calling,
like why throw five yards short of the sticks on
third and ten? Because you don't want to put your
defense in in tough position. You know if you punt
the football away that they aren't gonna score points. I
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mean again, Nelly, why run the ball with Adam Prentiss
on third and ten? That's just a safety call. That's
a call that translates to I trust my defense to
give up nothing. So screw it, We'll just you might
as well punt the ball on third down. So I
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mean I think that he recognizes.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It too, and at some point you'd think they have
to find a rhythm. The offense has been bad way
more than they've been good this year. There have been
times that they've been good, but they've been bad way
more than good. The defense had one game, the.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Colts game was sort of an outlier of couldn't stop
Jonathan Taylor on the ground. They kind of picked up
first downs consistently the Colts did. That's the one game
that I'd be like, that's a little bit different from
the others. So three three, five, four, nine, two five.
A lot more to get to with this broadcasting for
the backs in Shankers Studios, serious lawyers for the seriously injured.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We have Jared.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Bednar, you know, joined the program at eight o'clock this morning.
But NFL stock Up stock Down next, all right, do
it every week following the NFL weekend. It is NFL
stock Cup stock Down. We always start with the quarterbacks,
Nelly stock up.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Drake may.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Guess who is leading the AFC East as of today
it is the New England Patriots and they're doing it
in large part because Drake May looks to be really good.
He has you know, when you have young quarterbacks, the consistency,
you know, can be a problem. But you want to
see the pop plays. You want to see the throws
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that the guy makes that you go, wow, that's why
we drafted him. Well, he's doing both. He's playing consistently
and he's showing plays like that virtually every week. So
this last week was a two hundred and sixty one yard,
three touchdown performance over the Saints in which he made
multiple throws like that where you just went, whoa. He's
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got ten touchdowns two picks on the year. Again, they're
leading the AFC East. Do you remember when all these
people were picking the New England Patriots to be sort
of the surprise team of the NFL this year. Then
they had the one and two start, lost to Vegas
in week one, beat Miami in week two, and lost
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to Pittsburgh in week three, and you go.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well since then, win over Carolina, win at Buffalo, win
over New Orleans, and you can say the Saints and
the Panthers games aren't that impressive. Fine, you go to
Buffalo and you beat them. It is impressive no matter what.
But in all of these games, Drake May has four
multi touchdown games, He's only thrown picks in two games.
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He's got quarterback ratings of over one hundred in each
of his last five. He's just playing really really solid
football and doing exactly what they need him to do.
Having a brand new head coach who's really really good
in Mike Vrabel, also helps. So all of these things
kind of put into a ball. It's making him successful
in New Orleans in a way that you hope bo
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Nick starts to look, you know. Is it offense, is
it play calling? Is it just the player? I don't know,
but Drake May is finding some really really nice success
new Orleans. He gets a stock up quarterback stock down.
I mean, you witnessed it. I don't think in my
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life I've ever seen a team throw for negative ten
passing yards net. Justin Fields nine of seventeen for forty
five yards, but nine sacks later makes it negative ten.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I don't know what you do with a performance like that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I said it heading into the game that I think
Justin Fields has actually played better than people are giving
him credit for.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And then that happens, and so now I don't know
what to do.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's part of the reason why I think Aaron Glenn
was so defensive about him in the post game where
they said are you going to bench him? And he said,
he's really had one bad game. I think that's largely true.
He has yet to throw a pick this year, but
I don't know any quarterback that would have that happen.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
His biggest issue is this.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
We were just talking about in the first segment taking
sacks and how those are drive killers. Well, when you
took when you take nine sacks in the game, and
I went back and saw this chart of all the
sacks that took place against justin fields. These were not
Nick Benito beats his guy off the snap and gets
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there in you know, one point eight seconds where there's
nothing you can do about it. The average time to
throw average in that game was three point nine to
five seconds. You ask any coach in the NFL, the
ball should be out at about two and a half
or else you're gonna have somebody who's three hundred and
thirty pounds jumping on his shoulder pads.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Just how it works.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You can't hang on to the football that long, and
even when he did get time, he missed. Guys play
like huge plays in this game to extend drives and
put some pressure on the Broncos. He was missing Garrett
Wilson on a throw behind him. He had a timing
route where there's a miscommunication. They threw it to the
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wrong shoulder. And then even when he kind of makes
a throw that's okay, end of the game.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You need to move the chains.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Whufonga goes in and punches the ball out of Garrett
Wilson's hands because he had to slide backwards and try
and keep himself in bounds. It was just a mess,
a performance like I haven't seen in football really in
my life. From a passing perspective, over the course of
an entire game, forty five yards passing, but after the
sacks it goes to negative ten.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Unbelievable. Non quarterback stock up.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Need you guys to pay attention to what's going on
in Seattle because Jackson Smith in Jigba, or as my
friend mad Dog would call him, Nelly.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Jackson Smith a good Juba. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
He has had one hundred yard games in four of
the six One of the other games that he didn't
have a one hundred yard game. He had ninety six yards.
Let's just round up, shall we, So that's five out
of six. He has taken such a leap for them,
and he had to. It's one of those examples where
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maybe this was there the whole way, but when he
first entered the league, he was sharing a football field
with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. Both of those guys
now out in Seattle. He's become the main dude, and
he has capitalized on every opportunity. He's got forty two
catches already this year. He's got three touchdowns. He is
absolutely the thing that makes that passing game go without him.
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I don't know what the passing game looks like in Seattle,
but Sam Donald needed a target. One thing that we've
learned about Sam Donald over these past couple of years,
you know, especially this last season in Minnesota. If he
has enough time to throw the football and at least
one good wide receiver out on the field, Sam Donald
can make you pay for things. And he has found
Jackson Smith and Jigba. He's sort of his comfort blanket.
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It's his sort of Courtland Sutton need to make a
play on third down, look around the field and find
JSN somewhere because he's gonna make a play for you.
And Jackson Smith and Jigba is truly dynamic. He's got speed,
he's got suction cups for hands, he doesn't drop anything.
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Entirely impressed with what he's been able to do in Seattle,
so he gets a stock up non quarterbacks stock down.
This is one of those that I feel bad putting
the guy on here because I don't think it's entirely
his fault. But we've not only followed this guy, this
guy's career for a long time. He has been rumored
to maybe be a Bronco at some point if this
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season keeps going poorly.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And that's Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So he's thirty years old, sign a new contract a
couple of years ago. He is still I think, a
very dynamic back that can do a lot of things,
especially catch the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But him running the football right now.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Is just not the same. His longest run of the
year's eighteen yards. He's averaging three point eight per carry.
It's his fourth game this year with less than fifty
yards rushing, and the reason I don't want to put
this all on Alvin Kamara. Is when your team and
your offense is as bad as what the New Orleans
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Saints is, when their quarterback is Spencer Rattler, you don't
worry so much about the pass game.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
See.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Maybe you go in there and you start to load
the box and dare them to run the football on you,
knowing that you got enough guys in there to stop it.
And I think that's what's happening with Kamara this game
past week, and he had ten carries for thirty one yards.
He is I think that they're recognizing that that's a
problem and they're starting to use him out of the
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backfield more in the pass game. He's got thirteen catches
in the last three games. But bottom line is he's
having a really really difficult time finding space in the
running game, and whether it's his fault or not, it's
affecting his numbers. He gets a stock down NFL team
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stuck up. You know, it was just talking about JSN
in Seattle, and I think it's a Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
They just went from.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
The top left corner of this country to the bottom
right corner of this played a game in Jacksonville and
got to win against a really tough and gritty Jacksonville team.
I think that Seattle has a lot of things that
they're sort of the epitome of why I think the
NFC has overtaken the AFC. They do not have the
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elite quarterback, but their quarterback is good enough, and then
you look at the rest of their roster you're like, dude,
their defense is killer.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Michael McDonald.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is a defensive mastermind, and for the most part they
have been holding teams to insanely low point totals. They
had one exception last weekend when they played Tampa, but
Baker tends to do this with a lot of different people.
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They're just really good. You talk about solid quarterback, really
good wide receiver, really good running back room between Kenneth
Walker in Charbonay. Adding Cooper Cup has really helped them
in the past game having a veteran, steady presence, a
sort of go to guy. You throw him in the football,
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you know he's going to be open, he'll make the catch.
It's one of the reasons why wanting Cooper Cup here.
But Cooper Cup has been another massive addition to that room.
Seattle is just solid from top to bottom, and you
look at the way that they play defense, the way
that their corners are really really physical. Tariq Woolan not
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having the same kind of years he had the first
couple in this league, but still a really solid player.
Kobe Bryant is in that backfield. Defensive backfield, they got
guys that can rush the passer.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Byron Murphy's been really good. Devin Witherspoons are really good,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Like, they have a whole bunch of guys on that
defense that are just really solid, borderline all pro types
of players, and they're a perfect example of why the
NFC has built teams a lot better than what the
AFC has, where the AFC feels like they're way more
reliant on quarterback, which brings me to NFL team stock down.
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I think the Bills are starting to feel a lot
more like that team with a really good quarterback that
doesn't have a lot elsewhere. They had to offload a
whole bunch of guys this offseason because the salaries just
didn't fit within the cap restrictions, so they let a
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whole bunch of guys go. Yes, they still have Josh Allen,
who is going to be the ultimate difference maker. Yes,
they have a really good running back in James Cook,
but you can see in that receiving room they're still
waiting for somebody to emerge. They want it to be
their high end draft pick from last year, Keon Coleman.
That guy was drafted was like a pick or two
in the first pick or two in the second round.
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They wanted to be him. Hasn't quite made that leap yet.
Josh Palmer is a guy that they added in the offseason. No,
I think as a good wide receiver, but when he
was in LA, he was always the third or fourth
guy on the depth chart there. Khalil Shakir again another
example of a guy I think is a pretty good
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wide out, but is he great? I don't know if
he's great. And then you look at him defensively. With
the guys that they lost, do they have some big
names still? Yes, they do. I still think it's like
they're trying to find their footing. In a lot of games,
it's going to be Josh Allen's going to have to
be incredible or we're not going to be able to
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overcome the other issues. You look at a game like
last week when they lost to the Atlanta Falcons. It's
their second loss in a row. Josh Allen throws two picks,
team loses. It's just it's kind of like he needs
to be stellar for that team to win. And Josh Allen,
as good as I think he is, it's his third
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straight week turning the ball over and throwing a pick.
I don't think it's any coincidence that two out of
those three games have been losses.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So they get the stock down. Let's go MVP stock up.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I need to stop this for a little bit, Nelly,
because the MVP is really coming down to one guy
for the moment, and that is Baker Mayfield. Every single week,
Baker Mayfield does something else special and he's on the
highlight reels like he's got such a likable brand of
football that he plays, and they just continue to rack
up points. But when you watch the play that he
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made last weekend, he somehow is wrapped up by two guys,
escapes that pressure, rolls out to his left, sets his
feet and throws a bomb downfield to Teded Johnson.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's like, I.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Don't know how many guys in the league can do that,
and he's doing this every single week, So I don't
want to sit here and say Baker Mayfield every single week.
Maybe we'll drop this until somebody starts to emerge as
again tender. But again it's Baker Mayfield MVP stock down.
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You know, for specifically people, it's probably golf after last week.
It's not that golf played poorly, but a thirteen point
loss to the Chiefs hurts. I think you probably imagine
this a little bit differently had he caught that touchdown pass,
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because maybe the game's different. At least the player was
allowed to stand. But this is an arms race right now.
And GoF, to his credit, he's got fourteen touchdowns and
two picks. But losing football games kind of takes you
out of that, and Baker Mayfield continues to rise up.
So I think it's gonna be GoF takes to step down.
Best game of the week.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh my god. A couple of different ones that were
really good.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I actually thought Dallas and Carolina was a really good
football game. But if you had to choose one, I
do think Bear's Commanders was a pretty fun watch. It
was back and forth, guys were making mistakes, it was
canny capitalize on it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
They did.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Both teams did whenever a a mistake was made, So
I'll give it to that one. I thought it was
a really nice way to close out the weekend. A
really tight game came down to the wire, and you
really had a sort of edge of your seat, don't
know who's gonna make a mistake and who's not sort
of feeling to it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So yeah, they get the best game of the week,
the worst game of the week.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Please shop, yes, please shop.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
There's no question, is there. What's the worst game of
the week, now that you tell me.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The Broncos and the Jets in London.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The one that we had to watch. God, was that terrible.
I mean, you talk about a game again. Forget the
fact that one team had negative ten passing yards. By
the end of it, there were twenty total first downs total,
there was as far as total yards a team that
had eighty two on fifty seven plays. There was one
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touchdown scored. That's as brutal as it gets. And I'd
be hard pressed to find any and I mean any
other game this year that you would consider worse.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Than that one.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's how bad that game was. I mean, what was
the number you sent this out? I don't got in
front of me, Nelly. It was that Kendall Hinton had
more passing yards than Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yes, yes, Broncos Broncos legend. Kendall Hinton passed for like
twenty net yards in the debacle against the Saints.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
In COVID, Justin Fields got negative ten net yards. Worst
performance than Kendall into.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Good lord uh And that is NFL stock Cup stock down.
We do it every week following the NFL weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Sure, and Brad if I may, yeah, I never. I'm
never gonna tell you how to how to live your
life or how to do your own segments. But whenever
I hear this music, I'm I always just it's like
a Pavlovian response. I expect to hear Jared Goff. He's
going goff the rails.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I need more clever, clever nicknames from you for
for all the players.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
At six thirty in the morning. That's not gonna happen yet.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know what, Chris Berman, if you want to do
that at six thirty in the morning, be my guest.
I'll trade I'll trade spots with you. I'll do the
the two minute What are they call it again. The
fastest two minutes of that's three minutes. Last is three minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Drake call me maybe what Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Need some of that out of you can er come on?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Uh, not's gonna happen. Nelly.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Uh So that's stock up stock down. Jared Bednar joins
the program at eight a clock. Stick around see you Now,
this one's good. This is a good text. Exter said,
if I had to do with the Chris Berman voice
for the NFL stockup stock down, he said he needs
Chris Berman, saying Justin Fields takes us.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Sax sack sack sack sack sack sack SAXA.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Just do that nine times sack sack. Hey, I love
Chris Berman. Is what he does. Corny and cheesy, Yes,
but he does it. If you're the originator of it,
you can be corny and cheezy because you created the cheese.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
You're allowed.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Anybody else tries to do that stuff, tries to pull
a Winnie the pooholes on me, nuh huh. That's Chris
Berman's job, nobody else's.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
For the rest of my life, there's a lot of
things I'll forget. I've already forgotten plenty of things. But
one thing I will never forget is Dwayne Bow when
he played for the Chiefs because we always used to
over the Dwayne Bow.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah. No, he's pretty good at it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Even though Mike Chris Berman sounds a lot like Gilbert
Godfreed does, it's got a lot of.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Gilbert Godfried in there. I was gonna say, it's not
quite Berman.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I know, Hey, to your point, he is one of one.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Totally now, no games last night, no game, well, game
last night. As far as preseason, if you're into that
kind of thing, preseason game for the Nuggets last night.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
There's there's certain things when.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You watch the Nuggets in the preseason, Like I don't
want to take too much away from from too many things,
but in watching the way that they operate, it's hard
not to get excited at the prospect of what the
team can be. When Jamal drops thirty points in twenty
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seven minutes, I'm pretty happy. When you get a bench
unit that steps in and holds things together, that makes
me pretty happy. You know, Peyton Watson, Tim Hardaway, Junior
Bruce Brown, Valannis, they all stepped in for about twenty
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minutes a piece, let's say, and kept the game level,
which is what we've been begging for for the last
few years. One thing that I am curious about is
Drown Holmes has not gotten a lot of run in
these preseason games. So I don't know if that's an
indicator of what's to come as the season goes along,
if he's still got a long way to go in
his recovery process.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like, I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
A bench unit that looks like Peyton Watson, Tim Hardaway,
Junior Bruce Brown and Yonis Valentiunis is as good. Look,
I'm no Nuggets historian, but it feels like it's as
good as any bench they've ever had.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yesterday, I was at the game, and like, preseason is
more of a it's more of a social activity. It's
all right, I was I was not watching picking through
the fine tooth comb. But there are a couple times
where I would look over and I would see Valentnis
in the paint and he would just set some blocks,
a good one right into his big European ass and
knock him over. And I was going, oh my god,
Yokic isn't on the floor, and we got a center
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that can play basketball. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But it's it's a true it's a true center.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yes, it's somebody who is actually seven feet tall who
plays that position. It's not Hey, we got Jeff Green
who's six foot eight, but he plays bigger than that,
so we'll throw him at No, it's not that.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And there was another time where I looked they were
trying Jokic and Valentunis on the floor together and he
I think he set a pick and then someone ran
around it and passed it to Jokic and I just went, oh,
as Moser would say me, like you Brett, that that
European wrecking crew. I love it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
They said they were going to do that, and I
really and truly believe, Like I'm trying to read between
the lines here, what was the big issue that took
place in the offseason surrounding Valanciunas in this Panathonikos thing?
And why was he so hesitant? Seemingly he says he wasn't.
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I mean, we all lived through it, we saw it.
What was the hesitation of him just not jumping on
board immediately and being like, are you kidding me? I
get to play for a team that's gonna compete for
a championship. All right, cool, let's do it. And I
think it's pretty obvious he wanted to play, and coming
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to the Denver Nuggets meant he was going to be
a backup center. And he's going to go from thirty
five minutes a game to a backup role. And it's
something that he got a taste of recently in his career.
He's a thirty three year old man. He started everywhere
he's ever been, and last year he gets shipped off
to a team like Sacramento, and he plays for a
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team like Washington and he's getting about sixteen to seventeen
minutes a game. He didn't want to be a backup,
especially not for.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
A team that wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So when he finds out he's traded to the Nuggets,
he goes, man, I could play in Greece. I could
be the man on that team and play starters minutes
in a place I'm comfortable with. Okay, so what do
the Nuggets do? This is all speculation, by the way,
but I'm just trying to read between the lines. How
do you convince him to get here? First of all,
you say, hey, dude, you got an NFL contract? That's
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not how this works. Second of all, all right, sorry,
NBA contract, that's not how this works.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Second of all, you.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Tell him this, hey man, we can put you and
Yokic on the floor at the same time. Your role
doesn't have to be just purely I enter the game
when Jokic leaves, because we all know that Jokic is
gonna get a whole bunch of minutes, hopefully not as
much as he used to get, which was last year.
Wasn't even getting like thirty eight minutes a game. That's insane.
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You can't do that. But if you put that number
down to I don't know, thirty three, thirty two, that
feels like a sweet spot. So you'll get all the
minutes that he doesn't play. So that's fifteen sixteen minutes
plus we'll give you a few minutes on the floor
with him, and I think that sort of eased the
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tension a little bit. Of Your role is not going
to be purely back up to NICOLEA Jokic. You are
going to be a big part of this team, but
having veteran presences that come off the bench and give
you real NBA minutes that you aren't nervous in white
knuckling the entire time.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think it's huge. So it's good to see that
last night.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We'll talk to Jared Bednar at eight o'clock this morning,
get his thoughts on on the Avs good start to
the year, what he sees from the power play, a
whole bunch of different things. So we'll get to that
in a few minutes or I'm sorry, in about an hour.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I'll say that.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
About sort of where we're at in the NFL. That
precarious position of nobody really being the standout team makes
the season really fun. And it's what I think separates
the NFL from most sports is that every year, every
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team feels like they're a couple of plays away or
maybe a dude away from being competitive. And I think
virtually every team in the league, with the exception of
a couple, feel like they have a real opportunity to
make the postseason and maybe surprise people like the ones
that you could say are out already are in the AFC.
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At least, it's the Jets, Titans, Browns, probably the Dolphins,
and probably the Ravens. I mean, the Dolphins aren't going
to be in that category. Probably the Ravens just because
when Lamar comes back, their schedule gets a lo little
bit easier.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Maybe they can go on a run.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Who knows, But everybody else kind of feels like we
have an opportunity. The Cincinnati Bengals, who are two and
four traded for Joe Flacco, thinking if he can win
us like three games before Joe Burrow comes back, and
Joe Burrow goes on a heater, maybe we can make
a run for it.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
On the NFC side, I.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Don't know if there's a single team that feels like
they're out yet, probably New Orleans, but you don't think
the Giants have a little bit of life now over
the last three weeks of starting Jackson Dart the Giants
win this weekend against the Broncos, which I do not
think will happen, but if they do, hypothetically they find
themselves right back in the mix. Like there is no
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team that has run away with this sort of crown
of we are better than everybody else in the league.
And I think that's what makes this sport in particular
that much more exciting. You know, the contenders in the NBA,
basically a month and a half into the season, you'll
take a handful of teams six to seven and you're like,
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these are gonna be the ones at the end of
the year that could have a chance. And then there's
probably three of those teams that you're like, yeah, but
one of these three teams is winning.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
You just know.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The NHL is kind of like that a little bit more,
I guess, wiggle room for teams to kind of jump
into that mix, especially when the postseason starts hot goalie
can make a difference.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The MLB is a lot like that, Like they have
a whole bunch of teams that make the postseason potential
to get hot. But you look at the Dodgers and
you're like, yeah, they're up to nothing. They're probably heading
back to the World Series. The NFL just has I mean,
you ask twenty teams of this league right now, do
you guys think that you can be a Super Bowl contender?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Their answers are probably yes.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Like the Bears, who started the year zero to two,
they lost their second game, they give up fifty two
points to Detroit. They're now in a position after winning
three straight where they're like, yeah, of course I think
we can compete. Carolina's five hundred for crying out loud
makes it really fun, so get back into this in
a few minutes.
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Speaker 2 (00:20):
We had obviously some technical issues that we had our
work our way through. My apologies for what took so long.
You know, sometimes Fox Sports likes to think that they
can interrupt this program and I tell them buzz off.
Speaker 1 (00:38):
All right, So.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Now that it looks like we're through that, I want
to talk a little bit about the Broncos in the
game this weekend, because you have the oddity of a
couple things. You know, mention this going into the game
last weekend, where the New York Jets are.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
They difficult to part it?
Speaker 2 (00:59):
No, but what could be the pitfalls that you could
trip over in having the game result in a unwonted result?
And it was pretty obvious what you've had is a
London trip in which London's weird and weird things happen.
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And that's entirely what that game was. I mean, you
watch all of these games that take place overseas.
Speaker 1 (01:32):
Typically they're odd.
Speaker 2 (01:35):
They don't look like a normal game that you would
see at two o'clock on the weekend. They don't look
like a a Sunday night game. They don't look like
a Monday night game. They don't look like any of
those Thursday night games. Get weird too, short week less preparation,
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less times for bodies to heal. I mean, those are
all different sort of scenarios that we kind of watch
and we say, Okay, there's a consistent theme to this.
Speaker 1 (02:09):
The weird thing about this weekend is.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
What does it look like when a team returns from
London without a bye week?
Speaker 1 (02:23):
And how often does that happen?
Speaker 2 (02:26):
You know, I am not somebody where I've been overseas
to Europe before and then came back and dealt with
what that jet lag is and the the time zone changes.
Speaker 1 (02:38):
But I've heard it's brutal that it takes you days
to get yourself back situated on the right sort of timing.
Speaker 2 (02:48):
Well, I'll tell you what makes it more difficult facing
a Giants team that seems to have a little bit
of momentum. You know, I'll say this, I don't think
the quote momentum that they have is real. And when
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I say real, I'm talking about like the talent is
just better than people thought it was and were surprised
by it.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
I don't think that's the case.
Speaker 2 (03:20):
I think they've just caught this a little bit of
a high with putting Jackson Dart in a lineup in
finding some positivity. But to their credit, the two teams
that they've beaten are the Chargers and the Eagles. That
is not nothing. And yes they caught the Chargers on
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a day where they had a whole bunch of guys
hurt and blah blah blah. The bottom line is they
still found a way to win. By juxtaposed that with
they lost against the Saints. So what about that. There's
a whole bunch of different things that are kind of
thrown into this ball here that I would say variables
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that are hard to account for. One is I don't
know what type of player Jackson Dart is. Two, I
don't know what teams look like with a it's gonna
say a short week. It's not a short week, but
it'll feel that way because of all the adjustments you
have to make in coming back from Europe. So those
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are certainly factors. But here's the big one. I think
this is what matters the most. The Broncos defense is
so good at making teams uncomfortable that they should be
able to chew up a rookie QB that I think
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the number one equalizer to a whole bunch of different
things that you might be disadvantaged to in a game
is that you can sack the quarterback a million times. Now,
we've talked about this a lot, the idea that Sean
Payton's number one thing that he looks for in prospective
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quarterbacks and the reason why he was so in on
bow Nicks was bo Nicks's sacrate was really really low
in college. And I do think that's a skill. You
can have different things thrown in where maybe your offensive
line is better and that's why the numbers look better,
maybe your offensive line is worse and that's why your
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numbers look worse. But to do that over five different
teams in college and now one year in the pros,
and then even last week, where I think we all
sort of saw the Broncos offensive line without Ben Powers
was not the same, couldn't run the ball as effectively.
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Matt Pear chumps in. He's now hurt, he's on IR
so they have to find somebody else to replace Both
Parrot and powers at that left guard spot. But even
despite all of that, bow Knicks was sacked one time,
and I believe if I remember right, it was a
few days ago. Bow Knicks took the sack to keep
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the clock going. It was almost like, not intentional, but
once he found out that throwing the ball away would
do them no good, he just kind of ate it.
If I remember right, maybe I'm thinking of another week.
He's very rarely sacked though. The reason why sacks are
so important is because for most teams they don't have
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Patrick Mahomes, and they don't have Joe Burrow, and they
don't have Lamar Jackson. So if you get sacked, it's
a drive killer.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
It ends.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
What the defense does to opposing coreterbacks is basically end drives.
And that's the one thing about playing this rookie quarterback
this weekend. Who yes, is he having his nice little
moment in the sun And might he be a really
good quarterback for the next ten years? I think all
of that's possible. Like Jackson Dart, he kind of gives me,
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like Drew Lock vibes of some raw talent mixed in
with some personality and spunk. Could that turn into something could,
But for this week, the one equalizer to all the
different variables that I think could hinder you.
Speaker 1 (07:41):
Is that your.
Speaker 2 (07:42):
Defense is just it's mauling. It doesn't give anybody an
opportunity to breathe. Quarterbacks sit in the pocket and it
feels like they panic, and they should for good reason.
If I'm staring across my offensive line and I see
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Nick Bonito, and I see Jonathan Cooper, and I see
Zach Allen, and I see everybody else JFM staring me
down knowing that hey, it's third and eight, this is
a passing situation.
Speaker 1 (08:13):
They're gonna be coming. It's a freaky sort of.
Speaker 2 (08:20):
Uh prospect. I don't think we quite understand yet how
good this defense is. When pats Ertan said before the
season started he believes this can be a historic defense,
he didn't mean Broncos history. He met NFL history. And
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for the moment, they're on pace for it. They average
through six games giving up two hundred and fifty four
point two yards per game. That's second in the league.
Somehow Atlanta is a yard better through the passing game,
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They're third in the league. They give up one hundred
and sixty five point two in the running game. They're
fifth in the league, I'm sorry, sixth in the league.
Give up eighty nine on the ground per game. In
points their second they give up fifteen point eight and
then tack on top of all of that, they are
on pace to shatter the NFL record for sacks in
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a season. And you can say, well, guess what, Brett,
they got an extra game. An extra game doesn't make
up for being on pace for thirteen more than the
leading team in NFL history. Again, the Chicago Bears in
eighty four had seventy two sacks. That is the NFL
record for a team in a season. You were on
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pace for eighty five. And this is not a small
sample size. We're in Week six. That's over a third
of the way through your schedule. If I told you
some d in the MLB was on pace for one
hundred home runs through fifty four games, you would tell
me that's a real number. And so this defense is
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just so elite at getting after the quarterback that it
is the ultimate sort of bleep you to any drive
that you want to put together consistently because you can't.
You know how penalties are drive killers. I want you
to think about this for a second. Penalties like a
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holding call kills you first and ten turns into first
and twenty, but at least it's still first down. You
take a ten yard sack, it's second in twenty, you're screwed.
Unless the defense makes some big time mistake of letting
somebody run wide opening coverage or pass interfered, there's really
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no way to come back from it. So that's why
I think you could find another game this weekend that's
gonna kind of piss you off.
Speaker 1 (11:11):
Could be.
Speaker 2 (11:14):
Where it doesn't look clean, it's a little bit ugly, but.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
The defense sort of carries you to a win. Again.
Speaker 2 (11:23):
I think that could be the case. I really hope
the offense gets in gear. But if I'm trying to
figure out, hey, which game feels like the one that
the offense sort of returns to form and makes you
comfortable again, Is it gonna be the week where the
offense just really struggled and then came back and has
to deal with all the other stuff.
Speaker 1 (11:46):
Probably not.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
I would be more than happy to be wrong about that,
But it really is, when you think about it, the
separator from knowing your team's a championship contender to being
a pretty good team is just the offense needs to
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be a little bit better. It's frustrating because we've heard
that before. But I also think with this team it's
way more possible than the others that you've had. Like
those Broncos teams with Teddy Bridgewaters were not going to
be very good on offense.
Speaker 1 (12:26):
They just weren't.
Speaker 3 (12:28):
Now, man, the formula for success is throwing five yards
short of the stick on third and long. That's how
you do it. Brother.
Speaker 1 (12:35):
I wonder if if Sean Payton is coaching, you know,
he had that quote after the game where he was asked,
is this a defensive team? And he said it was today.
Speaker 2 (12:45):
I think he's fully aware that it's a defensive team,
and I think that sometimes that permeates into his play calling,
like why throw five yards short of the sticks on
third and ten? Because you don't want to put your
defense in in tough position. You know if you punt
the football away that they aren't gonna score points. I
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mean again, Nelly, why run the ball with Adam Prentiss
on third and ten? That's just a safety call. That's
a call that translates to I trust my defense to
give up nothing. So screw it, We'll just you might
as well punt the ball on third down. So I
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mean I think that he recognizes.
Speaker 1 (13:29):
It too, and at some point you'd think they have
to find a rhythm. The offense has been bad way
more than they've been good this year. There have been
times that they've been good, but they've been bad way
more than good. The defense had one game, the.
Speaker 2 (13:45):
Colts game was sort of an outlier of couldn't stop
Jonathan Taylor on the ground. They kind of picked up
first downs consistently the Colts did. That's the one game
that I'd be like, that's a little bit different from
the others. So three three, five, four, nine, two five.
A lot more to get to with this broadcasting for
the backs in Shankers Studios, serious lawyers for the seriously injured.
Speaker 1 (14:06):
We have Jared.
Speaker 2 (14:07):
Bednar, you know, joined the program at eight o'clock this morning.
But NFL stock Up stock Down next, all right, do
it every week following the NFL weekend. It is NFL
stock Cup stock Down. We always start with the quarterbacks,
Nelly stock up.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Drake may.
Speaker 2 (14:26):
Guess who is leading the AFC East as of today
it is the New England Patriots and they're doing it
in large part because Drake May looks to be really good.
He has you know, when you have young quarterbacks, the consistency,
you know, can be a problem. But you want to
see the pop plays. You want to see the throws
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that the guy makes that you go, wow, that's why
we drafted him. Well, he's doing both. He's playing consistently
and he's showing plays like that virtually every week. So
this last week was a two hundred and sixty one yard,
three touchdown performance over the Saints in which he made
multiple throws like that where you just went, whoa. He's
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got ten touchdowns two picks on the year. Again, they're
leading the AFC East. Do you remember when all these
people were picking the New England Patriots to be sort
of the surprise team of the NFL this year. Then
they had the one and two start, lost to Vegas
in week one, beat Miami in week two, and lost
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to Pittsburgh in week three, and you go.
Speaker 1 (15:34):
Yeah, that's not gonna happen.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
Well since then, win over Carolina, win at Buffalo, win
over New Orleans, and you can say the Saints and
the Panthers games aren't that impressive. Fine, you go to
Buffalo and you beat them. It is impressive no matter what.
But in all of these games, Drake May has four
multi touchdown games, He's only thrown picks in two games.
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He's got quarterback ratings of over one hundred in each
of his last five. He's just playing really really solid
football and doing exactly what they need him to do.
Having a brand new head coach who's really really good
in Mike Vrabel, also helps. So all of these things
kind of put into a ball. It's making him successful
in New Orleans in a way that you hope bo
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Nick starts to look, you know. Is it offense, is
it play calling? Is it just the player? I don't know,
but Drake May is finding some really really nice success
new Orleans. He gets a stock up quarterback stock down.
I mean, you witnessed it. I don't think in my
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life I've ever seen a team throw for negative ten
passing yards net. Justin Fields nine of seventeen for forty
five yards, but nine sacks later makes it negative ten.
Speaker 1 (16:58):
I don't know what you do with a performance like that.
Speaker 2 (17:02):
I said it heading into the game that I think
Justin Fields has actually played better than people are giving
him credit for.
Speaker 1 (17:10):
And then that happens, and so now I don't know
what to do.
Speaker 2 (17:15):
It's part of the reason why I think Aaron Glenn
was so defensive about him in the post game where
they said are you going to bench him? And he said,
he's really had one bad game. I think that's largely true.
He has yet to throw a pick this year, but
I don't know any quarterback that would have that happen.
Speaker 1 (17:34):
His biggest issue is this.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
We were just talking about in the first segment taking
sacks and how those are drive killers. Well, when you
took when you take nine sacks in the game, and
I went back and saw this chart of all the
sacks that took place against justin fields. These were not
Nick Benito beats his guy off the snap and gets
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there in you know, one point eight seconds where there's
nothing you can do about it. The average time to
throw average in that game was three point nine to
five seconds. You ask any coach in the NFL, the
ball should be out at about two and a half
or else you're gonna have somebody who's three hundred and
thirty pounds jumping on his shoulder pads.
Speaker 1 (18:15):
Just how it works.
Speaker 2 (18:16):
You can't hang on to the football that long, and
even when he did get time, he missed. Guys play
like huge plays in this game to extend drives and
put some pressure on the Broncos. He was missing Garrett
Wilson on a throw behind him. He had a timing
route where there's a miscommunication. They threw it to the
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wrong shoulder. And then even when he kind of makes
a throw that's okay, end of the game.
Speaker 1 (18:46):
You need to move the chains.
Speaker 2 (18:48):
Whufonga goes in and punches the ball out of Garrett
Wilson's hands because he had to slide backwards and try
and keep himself in bounds. It was just a mess,
a performance like I haven't seen in football really in
my life. From a passing perspective, over the course of
an entire game, forty five yards passing, but after the
sacks it goes to negative ten.
Speaker 1 (19:10):
Unbelievable. Non quarterback stock up.
Speaker 2 (19:15):
Need you guys to pay attention to what's going on
in Seattle because Jackson Smith in Jigba, or as my
friend mad Dog would call him, Nelly.
Speaker 1 (19:27):
Jackson Smith a good Juba. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
He has had one hundred yard games in four of
the six One of the other games that he didn't
have a one hundred yard game. He had ninety six yards.
Let's just round up, shall we, So that's five out
of six. He has taken such a leap for them,
and he had to. It's one of those examples where
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maybe this was there the whole way, but when he
first entered the league, he was sharing a football field
with DK Metcalf and Tyler Lockett. Both of those guys
now out in Seattle. He's become the main dude, and
he has capitalized on every opportunity. He's got forty two
catches already this year. He's got three touchdowns. He is
absolutely the thing that makes that passing game go without him.
(20:16):
I don't know what the passing game looks like in Seattle,
but Sam Donald needed a target. One thing that we've
learned about Sam Donald over these past couple of years,
you know, especially this last season in Minnesota. If he
has enough time to throw the football and at least
one good wide receiver out on the field, Sam Donald
can make you pay for things. And he has found
Jackson Smith and Jigba. He's sort of his comfort blanket.
(20:38):
It's his sort of Courtland Sutton need to make a
play on third down, look around the field and find
JSN somewhere because he's gonna make a play for you.
And Jackson Smith and Jigba is truly dynamic. He's got speed,
he's got suction cups for hands, he doesn't drop anything.
(20:59):
Entirely impressed with what he's been able to do in Seattle,
so he gets a stock up non quarterbacks stock down.
This is one of those that I feel bad putting
the guy on here because I don't think it's entirely
his fault. But we've not only followed this guy, this
guy's career for a long time. He has been rumored
to maybe be a Bronco at some point if this
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season keeps going poorly.
Speaker 1 (21:23):
And that's Alvin Kamara.
Speaker 2 (21:25):
So he's thirty years old, sign a new contract a
couple of years ago. He is still I think, a
very dynamic back that can do a lot of things,
especially catch the ball out of the backfield.
Speaker 1 (21:35):
But him running the football right now.
Speaker 2 (21:38):
Is just not the same. His longest run of the
year's eighteen yards. He's averaging three point eight per carry.
It's his fourth game this year with less than fifty
yards rushing, and the reason I don't want to put
this all on Alvin Kamara. Is when your team and
your offense is as bad as what the New Orleans
(21:59):
Saints is, when their quarterback is Spencer Rattler, you don't
worry so much about the pass game.
Speaker 1 (22:04):
See.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Maybe you go in there and you start to load
the box and dare them to run the football on you,
knowing that you got enough guys in there to stop it.
And I think that's what's happening with Kamara this game
past week, and he had ten carries for thirty one yards.
He is I think that they're recognizing that that's a
problem and they're starting to use him out of the
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backfield more in the pass game. He's got thirteen catches
in the last three games. But bottom line is he's
having a really really difficult time finding space in the
running game, and whether it's his fault or not, it's
affecting his numbers. He gets a stock down NFL team
(22:47):
stuck up. You know, it was just talking about JSN
in Seattle, and I think it's a Seahawks.
Speaker 1 (22:53):
They just went from.
Speaker 2 (22:55):
The top left corner of this country to the bottom
right corner of this played a game in Jacksonville and
got to win against a really tough and gritty Jacksonville team.
I think that Seattle has a lot of things that
they're sort of the epitome of why I think the
NFC has overtaken the AFC. They do not have the
(23:19):
elite quarterback, but their quarterback is good enough, and then
you look at the rest of their roster you're like, dude,
their defense is killer.
Speaker 1 (23:27):
Michael McDonald.
Speaker 2 (23:30):
Is a defensive mastermind, and for the most part they
have been holding teams to insanely low point totals. They
had one exception last weekend when they played Tampa, but
Baker tends to do this with a lot of different people.
(23:51):
They're just really good. You talk about solid quarterback, really
good wide receiver, really good running back room between Kenneth
Walker in Charbonay. Adding Cooper Cup has really helped them
in the past game having a veteran, steady presence, a
sort of go to guy. You throw him in the football,
(24:13):
you know he's going to be open, he'll make the catch.
It's one of the reasons why wanting Cooper Cup here.
But Cooper Cup has been another massive addition to that room.
Seattle is just solid from top to bottom, and you
look at the way that they play defense, the way
that their corners are really really physical. Tariq Woolan not
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having the same kind of years he had the first
couple in this league, but still a really solid player.
Kobe Bryant is in that backfield. Defensive backfield, they got
guys that can rush the passer.
Speaker 1 (24:51):
Byron Murphy's been really good. Devin Witherspoons are really good,
you know what I mean.
Speaker 2 (24:56):
Like, they have a whole bunch of guys on that
defense that are just really solid, borderline all pro types
of players, and they're a perfect example of why the
NFC has built teams a lot better than what the
AFC has, where the AFC feels like they're way more
reliant on quarterback, which brings me to NFL team stock down.
(25:22):
I think the Bills are starting to feel a lot
more like that team with a really good quarterback that
doesn't have a lot elsewhere. They had to offload a
whole bunch of guys this offseason because the salaries just
didn't fit within the cap restrictions, so they let a
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whole bunch of guys go. Yes, they still have Josh Allen,
who is going to be the ultimate difference maker. Yes,
they have a really good running back in James Cook,
but you can see in that receiving room they're still
waiting for somebody to emerge. They want it to be
their high end draft pick from last year, Keon Coleman.
That guy was drafted was like a pick or two
in the first pick or two in the second round.
(26:06):
They wanted to be him. Hasn't quite made that leap yet.
Josh Palmer is a guy that they added in the offseason. No,
I think as a good wide receiver, but when he
was in LA, he was always the third or fourth
guy on the depth chart there. Khalil Shakir again another
example of a guy I think is a pretty good
(26:28):
wide out, but is he great? I don't know if
he's great. And then you look at him defensively. With
the guys that they lost, do they have some big
names still? Yes, they do. I still think it's like
they're trying to find their footing. In a lot of games,
it's going to be Josh Allen's going to have to
be incredible or we're not going to be able to
(26:52):
overcome the other issues. You look at a game like
last week when they lost to the Atlanta Falcons. It's
their second loss in a row. Josh Allen throws two picks,
team loses. It's just it's kind of like he needs
to be stellar for that team to win. And Josh Allen,
as good as I think he is, it's his third
(27:13):
straight week turning the ball over and throwing a pick.
I don't think it's any coincidence that two out of
those three games have been losses.
Speaker 1 (27:23):
So they get the stock down. Let's go MVP stock up.
Speaker 2 (27:27):
I need to stop this for a little bit, Nelly,
because the MVP is really coming down to one guy
for the moment, and that is Baker Mayfield. Every single week,
Baker Mayfield does something else special and he's on the
highlight reels like he's got such a likable brand of
football that he plays, and they just continue to rack
up points. But when you watch the play that he
(27:49):
made last weekend, he somehow is wrapped up by two guys,
escapes that pressure, rolls out to his left, sets his
feet and throws a bomb downfield to Teded Johnson.
Speaker 1 (28:00):
It's like, I.
Speaker 2 (28:02):
Don't know how many guys in the league can do that,
and he's doing this every single week, So I don't
want to sit here and say Baker Mayfield every single week.
Maybe we'll drop this until somebody starts to emerge as
again tender. But again it's Baker Mayfield MVP stock down.
(28:24):
You know, for specifically people, it's probably golf after last week.
It's not that golf played poorly, but a thirteen point
loss to the Chiefs hurts. I think you probably imagine
this a little bit differently had he caught that touchdown pass,
(28:44):
because maybe the game's different. At least the player was
allowed to stand. But this is an arms race right now.
And GoF, to his credit, he's got fourteen touchdowns and
two picks. But losing football games kind of takes you
out of that, and Baker Mayfield continues to rise up.
So I think it's gonna be GoF takes to step down.
Best game of the week.
Speaker 1 (29:03):
Oh my god. A couple of different ones that were
really good.
Speaker 2 (29:06):
I actually thought Dallas and Carolina was a really good
football game. But if you had to choose one, I
do think Bear's Commanders was a pretty fun watch. It
was back and forth, guys were making mistakes, it was
canny capitalize on it.
Speaker 1 (29:25):
They did.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Both teams did whenever a a mistake was made, So
I'll give it to that one. I thought it was
a really nice way to close out the weekend. A
really tight game came down to the wire, and you
really had a sort of edge of your seat, don't
know who's gonna make a mistake and who's not sort
of feeling to it.
Speaker 1 (29:44):
So yeah, they get the best game of the week,
the worst game of the week.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
Please shop, yes, please shop.
Speaker 1 (29:51):
There's no question, is there. What's the worst game of
the week, now that you tell me.
Speaker 3 (29:56):
The Broncos and the Jets in London.
Speaker 2 (29:58):
The one that we had to watch. God, was that terrible.
I mean, you talk about a game again. Forget the
fact that one team had negative ten passing yards. By
the end of it, there were twenty total first downs total,
there was as far as total yards a team that
had eighty two on fifty seven plays. There was one
(30:22):
touchdown scored. That's as brutal as it gets. And I'd
be hard pressed to find any and I mean any
other game this year that you would consider worse.
Speaker 1 (30:35):
Than that one.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
That's how bad that game was. I mean, what was
the number you sent this out? I don't got in
front of me, Nelly. It was that Kendall Hinton had
more passing yards than Justin Fields.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
Yes, yes, Broncos Broncos legend. Kendall Hinton passed for like
twenty net yards in the debacle against the Saints.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (30:55):
In COVID, Justin Fields got negative ten net yards. Worst
performance than Kendall into.
Speaker 2 (31:01):
Good lord uh And that is NFL stock Cup stock down.
We do it every week following the NFL weekend.
Speaker 3 (31:07):
Sure, and Brad if I may, yeah, I never. I'm
never gonna tell you how to how to live your
life or how to do your own segments. But whenever
I hear this music, I'm I always just it's like
a Pavlovian response. I expect to hear Jared Goff. He's
going goff the rails.
Speaker 1 (31:22):
Oh yeah, something like that.
Speaker 3 (31:24):
Yeah, I need more clever, clever nicknames from you for
for all the players.
Speaker 1 (31:29):
At six thirty in the morning. That's not gonna happen yet.
Speaker 2 (31:31):
You know what, Chris Berman, if you want to do
that at six thirty in the morning, be my guest.
I'll trade I'll trade spots with you. I'll do the
the two minute What are they call it again. The
fastest two minutes of that's three minutes. Last is three minutes.
Speaker 1 (31:45):
Drake call me maybe what Yeah, I.
Speaker 3 (31:49):
Need some of that out of you can er come on?
Speaker 1 (31:51):
Uh, not's gonna happen. Nelly.
Speaker 2 (31:53):
Uh So that's stock up stock down. Jared Bednar joins
the program at eight a clock. Stick around see you Now,
this one's good. This is a good text. Exter said,
if I had to do with the Chris Berman voice
for the NFL stockup stock down, he said he needs
Chris Berman, saying Justin Fields takes us.
Speaker 1 (32:15):
Sax sack sack sack sack sack sack SAXA.
Speaker 2 (32:18):
Just do that nine times sack sack. Hey, I love
Chris Berman. Is what he does. Corny and cheesy, Yes,
but he does it. If you're the originator of it,
you can be corny and cheezy because you created the cheese.
Speaker 1 (32:35):
You're allowed.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Anybody else tries to do that stuff, tries to pull
a Winnie the pooholes on me, nuh huh. That's Chris
Berman's job, nobody else's.
Speaker 3 (32:45):
For the rest of my life, there's a lot of
things I'll forget. I've already forgotten plenty of things. But
one thing I will never forget is Dwayne Bow when
he played for the Chiefs because we always used to
over the Dwayne Bow.
Speaker 1 (32:57):
Yeah. No, he's pretty good at it.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
Even though Mike Chris Berman sounds a lot like Gilbert
Godfreed does, it's got a lot of.
Speaker 1 (33:04):
Gilbert Godfried in there. I was gonna say, it's not
quite Berman.
Speaker 3 (33:07):
I know, Hey, to your point, he is one of one.
Speaker 2 (33:10):
Totally now, no games last night, no game, well, game
last night. As far as preseason, if you're into that
kind of thing, preseason game for the Nuggets last night.
Speaker 1 (33:28):
There's there's certain things when.
Speaker 2 (33:31):
You watch the Nuggets in the preseason, Like I don't
want to take too much away from from too many things,
but in watching the way that they operate, it's hard
not to get excited at the prospect of what the
team can be. When Jamal drops thirty points in twenty
(33:55):
seven minutes, I'm pretty happy. When you get a bench
unit that steps in and holds things together, that makes
me pretty happy. You know, Peyton Watson, Tim Hardaway, Junior
Bruce Brown, Valannis, they all stepped in for about twenty
(34:19):
minutes a piece, let's say, and kept the game level,
which is what we've been begging for for the last
few years. One thing that I am curious about is
Drown Holmes has not gotten a lot of run in
these preseason games. So I don't know if that's an
indicator of what's to come as the season goes along,
if he's still got a long way to go in
his recovery process.
Speaker 1 (34:37):
Like, I'm not sure, but.
Speaker 2 (34:42):
A bench unit that looks like Peyton Watson, Tim Hardaway,
Junior Bruce Brown and Yonis Valentiunis is as good. Look,
I'm no Nuggets historian, but it feels like it's as
good as any bench they've ever had.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
Yesterday, I was at the game, and like, preseason is
more of a it's more of a social activity. It's
all right, I was I was not watching picking through
the fine tooth comb. But there are a couple times
where I would look over and I would see Valentnis
in the paint and he would just set some blocks,
a good one right into his big European ass and
knock him over. And I was going, oh my god,
Yokic isn't on the floor, and we got a center
(35:18):
that can play basketball. It's amazing.
Speaker 1 (35:21):
But it's it's a true it's a true center.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
Yes, it's somebody who is actually seven feet tall who
plays that position. It's not Hey, we got Jeff Green
who's six foot eight, but he plays bigger than that,
so we'll throw him at No, it's not that.
Speaker 1 (35:34):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
And there was another time where I looked they were
trying Jokic and Valentunis on the floor together and he
I think he set a pick and then someone ran
around it and passed it to Jokic and I just went, oh,
as Moser would say me, like you Brett, that that
European wrecking crew. I love it.
Speaker 2 (35:53):
They said they were going to do that, and I
really and truly believe, Like I'm trying to read between
the lines here, what was the big issue that took
place in the offseason surrounding Valanciunas in this Panathonikos thing?
And why was he so hesitant? Seemingly he says he wasn't.
(36:14):
I mean, we all lived through it, we saw it.
What was the hesitation of him just not jumping on
board immediately and being like, are you kidding me? I
get to play for a team that's gonna compete for
a championship. All right, cool, let's do it. And I
think it's pretty obvious he wanted to play, and coming
(36:35):
to the Denver Nuggets meant he was going to be
a backup center. And he's going to go from thirty
five minutes a game to a backup role. And it's
something that he got a taste of recently in his career.
He's a thirty three year old man. He started everywhere
he's ever been, and last year he gets shipped off
to a team like Sacramento, and he plays for a
(36:56):
team like Washington and he's getting about sixteen to seventeen
minutes a game. He didn't want to be a backup,
especially not for.
Speaker 1 (37:05):
A team that wasn't going anywhere.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
So when he finds out he's traded to the Nuggets,
he goes, man, I could play in Greece. I could
be the man on that team and play starters minutes
in a place I'm comfortable with. Okay, so what do
the Nuggets do? This is all speculation, by the way,
but I'm just trying to read between the lines. How
do you convince him to get here? First of all,
you say, hey, dude, you got an NFL contract? That's
(37:28):
not how this works. Second of all, all right, sorry,
NBA contract, that's not how this works.
Speaker 1 (37:34):
Second of all, you.
Speaker 2 (37:35):
Tell him this, hey man, we can put you and
Yokic on the floor at the same time. Your role
doesn't have to be just purely I enter the game
when Jokic leaves, because we all know that Jokic is
gonna get a whole bunch of minutes, hopefully not as
much as he used to get, which was last year.
Wasn't even getting like thirty eight minutes a game. That's insane.
(37:55):
You can't do that. But if you put that number
down to I don't know, thirty three, thirty two, that
feels like a sweet spot. So you'll get all the
minutes that he doesn't play. So that's fifteen sixteen minutes
plus we'll give you a few minutes on the floor
with him, and I think that sort of eased the
(38:18):
tension a little bit. Of Your role is not going
to be purely back up to NICOLEA Jokic. You are
going to be a big part of this team, but
having veteran presences that come off the bench and give
you real NBA minutes that you aren't nervous in white
knuckling the entire time.
Speaker 1 (38:39):
I think it's huge. So it's good to see that
last night.
Speaker 2 (38:43):
We'll talk to Jared Bednar at eight o'clock this morning,
get his thoughts on on the Avs good start to
the year, what he sees from the power play, a
whole bunch of different things. So we'll get to that
in a few minutes or I'm sorry, in about an hour.
Speaker 1 (38:59):
I'll say that.
Speaker 2 (39:01):
About sort of where we're at in the NFL. That
precarious position of nobody really being the standout team makes
the season really fun. And it's what I think separates
the NFL from most sports is that every year, every
(39:25):
team feels like they're a couple of plays away or
maybe a dude away from being competitive. And I think
virtually every team in the league, with the exception of
a couple, feel like they have a real opportunity to
make the postseason and maybe surprise people like the ones
that you could say are out already are in the AFC.
(39:46):
At least, it's the Jets, Titans, Browns, probably the Dolphins,
and probably the Ravens. I mean, the Dolphins aren't going
to be in that category. Probably the Ravens just because
when Lamar comes back, their schedule gets a lo little
bit easier.
Speaker 1 (40:00):
Maybe they can go on a run.
Speaker 2 (40:01):
Who knows, But everybody else kind of feels like we
have an opportunity. The Cincinnati Bengals, who are two and
four traded for Joe Flacco, thinking if he can win
us like three games before Joe Burrow comes back, and
Joe Burrow goes on a heater, maybe we can make
a run for it.
Speaker 1 (40:17):
On the NFC side, I.
Speaker 2 (40:19):
Don't know if there's a single team that feels like
they're out yet, probably New Orleans, but you don't think
the Giants have a little bit of life now over
the last three weeks of starting Jackson Dart the Giants
win this weekend against the Broncos, which I do not
think will happen, but if they do, hypothetically they find
themselves right back in the mix. Like there is no
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team that has run away with this sort of crown
of we are better than everybody else in the league.
And I think that's what makes this sport in particular
that much more exciting. You know, the contenders in the NBA,
basically a month and a half into the season, you'll
take a handful of teams six to seven and you're like,
(41:03):
these are gonna be the ones at the end of
the year that could have a chance. And then there's
probably three of those teams that you're like, yeah, but
one of these three teams is winning.
Speaker 1 (41:10):
You just know.
Speaker 2 (41:13):
The NHL is kind of like that a little bit more,
I guess, wiggle room for teams to kind of jump
into that mix, especially when the postseason starts hot goalie
can make a difference.
Speaker 1 (41:23):
Blah blah blah.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
The MLB is a lot like that, Like they have
a whole bunch of teams that make the postseason potential
to get hot. But you look at the Dodgers and
you're like, yeah, they're up to nothing. They're probably heading
back to the World Series. The NFL just has I mean,
you ask twenty teams of this league right now, do
you guys think that you can be a Super Bowl contender?
Speaker 1 (41:48):
Their answers are probably yes.
Speaker 2 (41:51):
Like the Bears, who started the year zero to two,
they lost their second game, they give up fifty two
points to Detroit. They're now in a position after winning
three straight where they're like, yeah, of course I think
we can compete. Carolina's five hundred for crying out loud
makes it really fun, so get back into this in
a few minutes.
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