October 20, 2025 • 42 mins
0:00 - What a crazy, improbable, impossible win for the Broncos yesterday! That game is basically a Choose Your Own Adventure book. What Broncos point do you want to prove? It was a good game because of the 33-point 4th quarter comeback? They showed resiliency? Or was it a bad game because of how awful the team looked for 3 quarters? Any point you want to make, you can use yesterday's game to make it.
15:24 - There's so much to sift through...let's try to be fair and look at both the good and bad from the Broncos win.
32:33 - The Broncos are truly Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. They're two different teams from day to day, series to series, play to play. They look like they can beat any team in the NFL or lose to any team in the NFL. It's up to them to decide.
15:24 - There's so much to sift through...let's try to be fair and look at both the good and bad from the Broncos win.
32:33 - The Broncos are truly Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. They're two different teams from day to day, series to series, play to play. They look like they can beat any team in the NFL or lose to any team in the NFL. It's up to them to decide.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
This is six in the Morning with Brett Caine on demand.
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It'll go down to the twenty nine. It is a
thirty nine yard try for Bony the snap Karshaw, the
rookie will hold it will once thirty nine yard field goal.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
For the win.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He get it ten firs one. The Broncos are five
and two for the first time in nine years. So improbable.
NFL teams had won one thousand, six hundred and two
consecutive games when leading by eighteen points in the final
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six minutes of the game. We've had three lead changes
in the final a minute fifty one?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Do you hear that? NELLY teams have won.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Eighteen billion, four hundred and seventy three trillion games in
a row in that exact situation.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Why am I here?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean this sincerely? Why am I here this morning?
Whatever you want that game to be? That game is
that you want that game to be about, Wow, you
really lucked out a win in a game that you
played terrible?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Sure? Hey, do you want that game to be about
heart and grint and this is what playoff teams are
made of.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Sure, go ahead, how about this? Can we start off
the show with the rare strawpole?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Please draw?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah? Are you more incredibly happy or upset looking back
at the game? And I don't mean this like, of course,
you get the result that you want, which is a dub,
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But beyond that, look at the bigger picture.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Which way do you view the game?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Do you view it in the We got lucky, but
we played bad. And I'm still really concerned because you
scored thirty three points in a quarter. The fourth quarter
lies e lies? I mean, what do you want that
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game to be?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
About?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
One hundred and eighty yards of total offense through three
quarters and no points or two hundred and twenty seven
yards of offense with thirty three points in fifteen minutes? Like,
I don't know what to do. My job is to
come on here and have an opinion about something. Here's
my opinion. I thought you played like ass and I
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thought that one great quarter bailed you out, and I
think that might be just what this team is.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Not putting thirty three points up in a quarter type
of team, because I don't know any team who does that.
Let me remind you of this, the stat that Kevin
Harlan gave to start the show. Nellie, correct me if
I'm wrong here. In nineteen trillion tries, when a team
leads by four billion points in the fourth quarter with
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eighteen minutes left to go, no team has ever come
back from that, except for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Now so improbable.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
NFL teams have won one thousand, six hundred and two
consecutive games when leading by eighteen points in the final
and six minutes of a game.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, Kevin Harlan, I think my stat was right. I
don't know who you get your stats from, but I
think is the correct one.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Brett.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
You know it came to mind yesterday when I was
watching that game. Do you remember when we had Emmanuel
Sanders on this show, I don't know about a month ago,
and you guys asked him about the ability to finish games. Yeah,
if that's something you got to learn, if that's the
skill you need, And he said, not only is it
something that you need to learn, you also need a
little bit of luck. And he said that Super Bowl
fifty team got lucky on the way to the championship.
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And yesterday the Broncos. It's in the fourth quarter. They
finally get the ball down to the red zone. It's
like first and goal from the three. Sean Payton calls
the worst goal line secrets of plays I've ever seen
in my life. Dude, you have running backs plural on
your roster, and you're making bo Nicks drop back and
throw moon balls from like two yards out of the
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end zone. And somehow Troy Franklin catches a stupid pinball
deflection and now you got eight points on the ball,
and now because of some improbable crazy catch, now you
got a chance.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Like that's luck.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Wait, but Nelly, the football god said I see you that,
and I raise you the touchdown. The Giants scored directly afterwards,
which was the same thing, another deflected ball that went
for a touchdown. You're like, all right, the game's over.
At multiple points during that there's that little meter that
these these website CSPN and stuff has that shows you like, hey,
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here's your percentage chance to win at this point in
the game. Multiple times le Broncos were they were like
get zero point three percent the play that changed the game.
And this is where I mean you talk about getting lucky.
But capitalizing on the luck. The sternad interception changed everything.
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It's what felt. It's the first time it gave you
hope that you could actually come back. And don't take
my word for it. By the way, Pat Sortan said,
I gave up hope in the middle of the game.
He said it in the postgame, and guess what, you'd
be an idiot not to I don't care if you're
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a player or coach or whatever. And everybody says you
can't believe you're gonna lose the game. Sometimes you just
know you're gonna lose. Sometimes, I mean it happens in
every sport. You're down thirty points with ten minutes left
in the fourth quarter of a basketball game. Could you
come back feasibly? I suppose, but you lost. You're down
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nine runs in the ninth inning in baseball? Could you
come back?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
You could go on some sort of wild to quote Anchorman,
bing bang boom. You could do that a few times.
But you lost. You lost that game and then somehow
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took advantage of every opportunity. Like this is what makes.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
This team so damn frustrating. It's funny. He was watching
the game with a buddy.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
He makes a throw to Sutton and he had a
couple of drinks and he looks at me dead in
the face.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Nelly.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
He says this, He goes, it's in there talking about Nick's.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Like, it's those throws are in there. Why can't they
be out there more? You know? And it's so true.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
We all watched the fourth quarter and we're like that,
you can do that, why can't you do that more?
And I'll say it again, and nobody's gonna want to
hear this, And you know what, I am not. I
am not angry this morning. I think it's one of
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the most remarkable things I've ever seen in my life.
The end of that game. Now, it was the Giants
and these games that you seem to play poorly in
when are coming against the Giants in the Jets and
the Titans and stuff like that. But whatever the way
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that you got booked up on the schedule, you play
that way against Kansas City, you're not gonna win.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Like we all know that stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
But I just, you know, I use this analogy a lot,
but I think there's a lot of times in life
that it applies to, and this is certainly one of them.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
This is truly a choose your own adventure book.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
If you want the focus to be on Hey, that
is remarkable grit. And what we've been wanting to see
from Bone forever is his ability to come back from
down in the fourth quarter and make plays to win. Well,
damn it, you nailed it. It's exactly what you wanted.
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Do you want to be like the inconsistencies of this
team are going to be that plagues them from doing
anything larger than maybe making a postseason spot.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, you got that ammunition too. I just it's to me.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Remarkable that they came back in one. And I think,
and I hope this show Sean Payton something about when
their backs are against the wall and they got to
go with a little bit of tempo, it feels like
you can find a rhythm. Yes, was the Giants defense
playing soft, of course, but I think bo Nicks in
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tempo is better. It allows him just to go out
there and play. Did you notice that he ran the
ball a few times for really big crucial runs. And
I think it's just because he wasn't thinking. He wasn't
thinking who's my primary receiver, who's my backup? What do
we gotta do here? How long is this play call
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gonna be how many play calls? Am I gonna have
my head when it comes to the line. Do I
gotta check this down? Do I gotta kill the play?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Do I get?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I don't think he thought that way. At the end
of the game. It was just about moving the football
down the field. It was just about trying to get
a chunk. And the more that he can play with
that sort of mindset, I think, the better they're gonna be.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Then, Brett, Yeah, to your point about the chooser and adventure,
I think I think so many things about this game
are true. I mean, thing one, that's one of the
greatest comebacks I've ever seen. I genuinely, I'm thinking back
on thirty three points in the fourth quarter, Nelly.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's the first time that somebody's been down a billion
points that they've come back with that deficit.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I don't know if you know that absolutely, that's that's
don't fact check it.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's already true. We know that. That's. That's thing one.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I mean the fact that they scored thirty three points
in the fourth quarter on Damarius Thomas Day, who unfortunately
left us when he was thirty three years old. I mean,
that was a pretty cool number.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Just a great day all out of a weird coincidence.
That's thing one.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Thing two is those first three quarters made me want
to hop in my car and drive off of Loveland Pass.
That was some of the worst football we've seen this season.
Like you thought the Jets game was bad, what about
the first three quarters yesterday? So, I mean, there's so
many things from this game could be true. At the
end of the day, though, all the matters is what
the scoreboard says when the Clockets triple zeros and the
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fact that the Broncos are at the top of the
AFC West right now. I think that's pretty cool. But
we can still three quarters that game and say a
lot of stuff needs to improve. I think all that's true.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's what I really feel like.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
This show is going to be a half and half
mix of like, marveling at this comeback that win takes
you to first in the AFC West solo because the
Chargers got spanked by Andy. It's going to be half
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of what an amazing finish and another half of what
happened early in the game, because I can't ignore that either.
Guys had I have no idea what we the discussion
would be at least first top of mind had the
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game ended with the touchdown from the Giants. I mean,
if you guys really want to talk about luck, two
missed extra points, a bevy of special teams issues for
the Giants led to the opportunity for you to get
the outright win.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know, remember.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
The Giants missed the extra point, and then they go
for two to try and make up for the missed
extra point, and then they miss an extra point again.
That's three points off the board. That changes the entire
complexion of the game.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And like part of me, Nellie, I don't know if
we've done this before. I don't know if you were
even allowed to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I just at some point during the show, want to
listen live to a New York radio show. I want
to see what that sounds like today for them. Think
about how sick you'd have to be to start, if
that was us, if that was shoe on the other foot,
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that you come in here after having all the stuff
that we talked about, one six hundred and two straight games,
in that situation up eighteen plus with six minutes left
in the game or whatever, and you lost, you'd be sick.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I mean it was the most bizarre, crazy game ever.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And it's a rally somehow, a rally house victory Monday
because Bo nicks multiple times at the end of a
game lead drives Nelly. Here's the five drives in the
fourth quarter touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, game over
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eight place, seventy eight yards, thirteen play seventy four yards,
four plays, nineteen yards, six play sixty eight yards, four plays,
fifty six yards, four touchdowns in a field goal, thirty
three points three h three five, four two five. We're
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broadcasting on the back of some Shankers studios. Their passion
is justice. Keep the text coming in. Whatever you think
that game was, tell me is it good? Is it great?
Is it still bad? Are you still concerned? Are you
over the moon happy? Is it everything? Continue this when
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we come.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Back, pat the kick throat goes through the uprights, you
win the game. What was the first thought that went
to your.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Hut Man relief? I was I lost hope, I ain't
gonna lie. Uh yeah, I lost hope.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
It was one of them games man where uh we
felt like we execute I mean, go in the film room.
There's a lot of corrections but one thing we didn't
lose was composure, and you know, we fall to the end,
you know what I mean? You never know in this league,
no matter how much you're down, you know, it's always
it's always a will and there's always a way.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah again, if if you didn't lose hope in that game,
then you're not a human big then you are a
Broncos football loving robot.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
There is.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
So much to discuss because Nelly, you know what it
feels like. It feels like I watched about three different
games that the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Played in a day.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
We can talk about the early game, you know how
like when you got kids and they play on a
basketball team or a baseball team or something like that,
or a soccer team, and they play like three games
in a day.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
They're playing like a tournament. The Broncos did that yesterday
against the Giants.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It was just like, hey, let's best of three, you
guys ready, all right, let's go.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
That was an aau marithon just games all day.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
You went to your local high school football field and
you're like, all right, we're gonna just gonna have teams
play each other real quick. Let's let's get one of
these games out of the way. And the first game
was terrible. First and second and third and whatever, all bad.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
But I just you know, we'll focus on the good
here for a moment. The good is this.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
It's now been multiple instances of bow Nicks stepping up
when it matters most.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And I tell you what, Nelly, that guy.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Has a very very sort of steel minded approach.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Where he doesn't give up.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Sometimes I look at bow Nicks and like he kind
of looks like a robot, like a football what is
a doesn't Sanford call him bobot?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, the bobot. He's got that.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Because there is no reason why you should even consider
still winning that football game towards the end. But he
played really well when it mattered the most. And I'll
tell you what's the most impressive thing that he did.
You know, to get them back in the football game
is one thing, But Nelly, when they scored with a
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minute fifty left, only to have the Giants shove it
right back down their throat for a touchdown, you have
thirty seven seconds left on the clock for him to
come back after that emotional high then emotional low and
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put them in that position to kick the game winner.
Is remarkable. You know, somebody pointed out that first throw
that he had on the game winning drive or a
hit Mims. It looked like he was actually targeting Courtland Sutton,
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where both of those guys for some reason, we're in
the same spot. But cut Sutton was running like a
post route and Mims just kind of sat down on it. Regardless,
you get that play that's made. You gotta go clock it,
but you gotta make one more. You gotta get in
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better position. And then he hit Sutton for twenty two
yards down the sideline, spiked the football three seconds left,
and your special teams comes through for you.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You get the dub.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
There is something about the mental fortitude of what bo
Nicks possesses that is incredibly impressive. I mean, I don't
know if this is gonna be a dirty thing to
say out loud or not. It's very Tebow where you
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can play a dog butt awful game and yet still
be in position to win and then close it out
at the very end. It's very tebow esque. That's what
his entire run in Denver was. I play bad, bad, bad,
bad bad bad bad Oh. We got a shot the win.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Boom. Here's the big play that wins the game for us.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Now, he's obviously better than Tebow, but all I'm saying
is that sort of thing of nothing's working.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This looks terrible.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I'm pissed off, borderline, gonna shut the game off, and
then you make this comeback, Nelly. I take these notes
either on my laptop or on my phone or in
the game. I stopped taking notes. I was like, there's
no point anymore. The game's over.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I did that.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I kept watching, but I stopped, and then I was like,
I should start taking notes again. So I give him
full credit for being able to have the mental toughness
to stay in that game. And when you find that
little slipper of an opening, you just kick the door down,
and that's liver of an opening.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Was the justin Surnad interception.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
It was the rookie mistake from Jackson Dark that you
were kind of waiting all game four, like he's under pressure.
He kind of steps up and I don't know how
he doesn't see Sternad just sitting right there.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But good hands by Sternacus was sort of out of
his reach. He grabbed it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
But the second that that play happened, you're like Okay,
you get a quick touchdown here, it's like a twenty
yard drive.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
You start the.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Drive at the twenty yard line. You can get this
within three points if you do everything right. And it
was touchdown, you're within three. That was after the previous
touchdown in which you had two point conversions on both
of them, just to get it to sixteen. Like it,
I'm blown away, But God, I'm also blown away by.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
What the start of.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
The game looked like and how you had absolutely nothing.
And again, what's more frustrating. And we talked about the
t Bow thing, like it's very t bowesque the way
that you won. But here's what's frustrating. When t BO
did that, that's all t Bow was, and some people
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could they they tried to convince themselves that something different.
We all knew in you're a hard hearts, you knew
that Tebow was just that is as good as he's
ever going to be. And it's not good enough. Now,
if you could mix a lot of talent with the
late game heroics, then you got like an all timer
on your hands. But TBO just wasn't good. Like Bo
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Nicks is good, he's got talent.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I want to keep us the quote from my buddy,
it's in there. It's in there. The files are in
the computer. Like maybe that's how you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I just gotta walk up the bow Nicks and start
banging his helmet around like zoo Lander did with the computer.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Start hitting it like he's got it in him.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
He's got the ability to be a big time quarterback
in this league. But that consistency is gonna be a killer.
If there's a reason I'm looking at Good Morning Football. Sorry,
just got distracted because I'm looking at Good Morning Football.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And Kyle Brandt held.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Up the front page of it was the New York Times,
I believe, And you know what it said, in big
bold letters is a picture of Jackson Dart and it
said worst loss ever.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And they're probably right. I mean, it's not a Super
Bowl loss or.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Anything, but if you could choose the worst way to
lose a regular season game, it's that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
But going back to it, bo Nicks has ability. He's
got it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We've seen it. We've seen it at the end of
the game yesterday. We've seen it at the end of
the game against Philly. We've seen it in the Cincinnati game.
We've seen it in the Indianapolis game. We've seen it
at a ton of different points last year, but there
is there's something about not being able to do things
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consistently that if his time as a Bronco ends in
the next couple of years, if for whatever reason they
can't reach the mountaintop or he doesn't improve or blah
blah blah, the reasoning for that is going to be
the consistency, Like that is going to be on his headstone.
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If this ends in a way that we all hope
it doesn't, which is he's no longer the quarterback here.
That's going to be their problem. And part of me
gets really nervous with everybody gets on Sean Payton, and
I think deservedly so for some of his play calling decisions,
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saying that's holding him back, and I think at certain
points it does. But I can give you two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight direct examples of why Sean Payton doesn't trust it,
Like why do you run so many swing passes? Why
do you run so many bubble screens? Because when Bonnick's
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early in the game was taking shots downfield, he was off.
I mean, how many times do we see this? Nelly
first plays the swing pass for two yards. Second plays
and incompletion, third play is a deep ball forty yards
downfield that he throws out of bounds. That's like the
entire first half was that, Like, how about this? They
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set up a play Nelly that works. They're able to
sneak Garrett Bulls into the end zone as an eligible tackle.
He's wide open, and not only does Bo see him
way too late. Instead of lofting it to a wide
open guy in the end zone, he tries to throw
something with like not a bullet but just a flat
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football that of course gets tipped. And it's like, as
much as people want to give Sean Payton grief about
play calls, there are too many examples of guys that
are open wide receivers that are missed or not recognized
early enough or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And so I think.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
There's a real trust sort of problem going on right now.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Can I can I ask you a follow up questions that? Then, So,
if he doesn't trust Bonnicks to make some of those
throws in key moments, why doesn't he trust his running
backs either, Because it's because it seems like he's making
Bow make these bad throws. And then he also isn't
handing off the ball I have. I have JK. Dobbins
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on my fantasy team. And what did VIC call it?
The altitude sports radio football, altitude fantasy sports football, altitude football. Yes,
And so anytime the Broncos got into the red zone
and got down to like the five yard line, I went, Okay,
let JK. Cook Man, it's Steve's about to get some
fantasy points here. Let's rack up the board for old Nelly.
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And it never happened. That just never happened. I felt like,
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I do think he got better at that a couple
of weeks ago, and then they got down to a
third string left guard, and then it feels like he
got really nervous about that again. So I don't know.
I don't have the exact reasons for it, but I
will say that I do think they didn't want to
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tip their hand in the running game, and anytime they
tried to run on the left side, it just it
felt like he didn't go anywhere. And so maybe he
wasn't trusting of another backup offensive lineman playing left guard.
I don't know, Nelly, I don't have I don't have
the answers I wish I did because it confuses me.
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Confuses the hell out of me. But if there's anything
I take away from it, and I know Sean Payton
mentioned something about tempo in the post game, and I
think he's just being stubborn about this. There's no question
that if you watch, Okay, I'm gonna say something that's
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gonna sound insulting, and I don't mean it that way.
I think that Sean Payton thinks running at tempo is
not a professional offense, that it's a college offense. And
then I'd show him what his offense looks like, because
it's a very much a college offense. You know what
colleges do all the time, bubble screens, check down to
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your running back RPOs. That is a college offense. You're
already doing it.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Just go with it.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Don't be stubborn about the offense that you want to run.
Do the offense you need to run. You know, I
think about that all the time. It's some people just
get so It's like they think that my scheme is
so genius that all we need to do is execute
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this properly and we're gonna be really good and it's like, well,
maybe you don't have the horses to run that system.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Maybe you don't. You gotta just and I'm just like
feed into what at least feels like it works.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
And maybe I'm just stupid radio host that doesn't know
anything and he knows more about football than me, which
is true, way more, and I just.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Don't recognize it.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
But just from my stupid naked eye, I watch quite
a bit of football. Don't claim to be a genius,
but I know when things look.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Smooth. When you get Nick's in a position where he's.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Gotta go, Hey, you gotta go, gotta make a play,
come on, let's go find it, find it, it just
feels like he is way more in rhythm, and I
think that does harken back to his college days where
maybe they did run a little bit more up tempo
and it's not so much thinking about executing every single
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little detail of your offensive plan. It's about I need
to make a play. So I mean that's it again.
No football expert, no football genius. He knows more about
this thing than I do. Sean Payton does. But I
know what things look like. I know when things run smooth.
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I know when on offense looked like it looks like
it's chuckling along or it looks.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Like it's got square wheels. So I don't know. I mean, again,
this is the good from the game, is that bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
He has ability. But how do you get that consistent
over four quarters? That's the next question. Now again, I
really feel like this show is just gonna go back
and forth, Nelly, and it's gonna be good bad, good bad,
good bad, because there's a lot of bad in that
game too that I want to get to special teams
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for driving me nuts. I wanted to throw everything. When
they caught the kickoff at the five yard line and
just ran out of bounds, I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Like, what what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And somebody can tell me that, Hey, Darren Rizzy isn't
the one telling him to catch it and run out
of bounds, but it happens under his watch, so who
it happens every week? Like, there are things that are
gigantic problems that need to be corrected now, not later.
Now you want to know why you lead the division
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solely first place AFC West. Everything we could have hoped
for seven weeks into the season, it ain't gonna last.
If the first three quarters look like that though, So
it's Rally House victory Monday. You can always text us
in the shop maz to text line one price, one person,
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to two five back. After this, texter says, get it together, boys.
Another one said, let's do ads. God, there we go.
Uh see, now we're having different problems to where we
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can't fade the music out, and so.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We're just work with us here.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I got I got a message on my computer screen
where all of our buttons are that says could not
open hibernate session for transaction. You guys tell me what
that means. So here's the point. We're having technical difficulties
this morning. I would argue that this is like the
first three quarters of the Broncos game.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I was just gonna ready a fourth.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
That last commercial break was basically like the Broncos game
where it was really bad but then it was good
at the end.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yeah, we'll see if we can pull our own sort
of a Broncos miracle. By the way, none of this
is anybody here's fault, certainly not Nelly's. When you get
a bunch of red warning signs, that's where you need
to call.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
On an adult for help. Here's the situation.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
It's a rally house football Monday rally house shop every
team in Down.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I said, this is gonna be just a sort of
ping pong game of good.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Bad, good bad good bad, because there was bad, and
I mean really bad in this game. First of all,
your vaunted defense, I don't want to say got lit up,
but was giving up some massive plays over the course
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of that game. The wide open touchdown to Bellinger to
start things out, tight ends running wide open all over
the field, give up that big run to Tracy, like
that kind of stuff. First of all, out of character.
It did not make Jackson Dart look like a rookie,
I guess, is what I'm saying. We all kind of
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expected rookie quarterback walking into Denver on that day against
that defense was going to be blown up, and he wasn't.
So that's one I still think they have some issues
in stopping the run. It's one area in which it's
just it still doesn't look right. It was good to
see green Law back on the field. It's probably gonna
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take him a minute to get fully back up to speed. Secondly,
this is what's gonna kill you. This is what's gonna
hold you back. You know, we've talked about bo Nicks
and the offense, and the offense not looking consistent and
not picking up on third downs and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
We know all that stuff. There is.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
A massive discipline problem with this team.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Huge.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They are penalized so much, and they are penalized in
the worst situations, third downs, constantly giving up first downs,
putting yourself.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Behind the eight ball.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
When you're on offense, you're you got third and short, Well,
you make a penalty.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Now it's third and eight or third and twelve. Those
kill you.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And for a veteran head coach, discipline should not be
an issue, but it is. I'll tell you what else
discipline is. Discipline is special teams.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's all. What special teams are? You know.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I compare to rebounding in basketball. There's like a want
to Hey, anybody can rebound, you have to want to rebound.
I think that special teams is just you have to
be disciplined. If a ball is flying out of bounds
off the kickoff the five yard line, why the hell
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are you even considering catching that? How many times have
we seen guys this year have a foot out of
bounds and then touch the football, which leads directly to
kick off out of bounds that you get at the
forty yard line. So discipline is a massive problem and
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continues to be every single week. And that little stuff
is just it's not what winning football teams do, so
that's an issue. And then finally, you know, we keep
talking about the bo nick Sean Payton is at play calling?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Is it talent? Is it this? Is it that?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
And then you get a fourth quarter and you go,
well that works, So what is it really? You're bad
on third down? That's a big problem, but you're actually
pretty good when plays matter the most. You get two
point conversions when you need them, you pick up fourth
downs when you need them.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
So what does that mean? You're bad?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
World here, You're bad on third down, but you pick
up fourths and two point conversions with ultra consistency. Like
I think that term jekylin hyde is so overused in
sports because everybody says it all the time, But truly,
this team feels that way. You put them thirty three
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points in the quarter, you had five drives, four touchdowns
in a field goal, Hang on hang on hand, yeah, yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
You know what's weird about Jekyl and Hyde. It sounds
like Jekyl should be the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I've always thought that, Yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
Know, but that's but but but Jeckyl's the good guy.
Jacky's the good doctor.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Jekyl.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
Yeah, And then like mister Hyde sounds like a good,
upstanding businessman.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, but he's the he's the freak that he'll shank
you at night.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
It's just that that's a that's a juxtaposition that's hard
to hard to comprehend.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I thought so too. Donna might drop in there most
thank you late. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I I look at this team and I see the
multitude of problems that they still have, and then I
see all of the things that could make them good.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And you kind of.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Ask yourself, and this is a weird thing to ask
yourself seven weeks in, but it's where you are, and
it's why I'm concerned. What team do you have? You
should know, we're about halfway through the year. I should
have a pretty firm grasp on what to expect weekend
week out from this team, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I don't know what to expect quarter to quarter.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Legitimately, the Broncos looked like one of the worst teams
in football for three quarters.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
They did.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
If you did blind resume test, if you didn't know
the records of teams, and you showed me that game
between the Giants and the Broncos, I would say the
Giants are like, yeah, they're a no okay football team, okay,
And I would say the Broncos are terrible. And then
he showed me the fourth quarter. Now insanely lucky with
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a couple of things. Yes, ball tipped. You got a
guy at the back pie line that falls down with
his hip inbounds. Lucky, rookie quarterback makes stupid throw to
keep you in football game where he puts it right
in the hands of Justin Stronad.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Lucky.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Look, it was a great play by Stronade, but it
wasn't like he jumped route.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
He was standing there.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Field goal kicker on the other team misses two extra points, lucky.
Now flip side, you score two touchdowns and convert two
two point conversions. Good Like. It was just such a
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giant mixed bag. And I almost feel like Nelly if
that game ended with the Giants scoring that touchdown with
thirty seven seconds left and you lost thirty two to thirty.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I have no idea what kind of show this would be.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Could you even do the yeah, well they tried their
best to come back thing. Probably not, but because they finished,
the come completely changed everything, you know, And there's a
whole bunch of stuff that happened over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know, Jane Norvel was let go at CSU. You had.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
The Avs pick up another win to start the year.
You had sho Hao Tani playing I think the greatest
baseball game that any player's ever played, and once you
had ten strikeouts on the mound and hit three bombs
at the plate.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Don't think we'll ever see that again.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Like, there's so much, but I swear to god, I
think the story of the entire sports weekend waking up
this morning is this comeback, especially because it came against
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Speaker 2 (00:18):
It'll go down to the twenty nine. It is a
thirty nine yard try for Bony the snap Karshaw, the
rookie will hold it will once thirty nine yard field goal.
Speaker 3 (00:29):
For the win.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
He get it ten firs one. The Broncos are five
and two for the first time in nine years. So improbable.
NFL teams had won one thousand, six hundred and two
consecutive games when leading by eighteen points in the final
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six minutes of the game. We've had three lead changes
in the final a minute fifty one?
Speaker 3 (01:04):
Do you hear that? NELLY teams have won.
Speaker 4 (01:08):
Eighteen billion, four hundred and seventy three trillion games in
a row in that exact situation.
Speaker 3 (01:14):
Why am I here?
Speaker 4 (01:17):
I mean this sincerely? Why am I here this morning?
Whatever you want that game to be? That game is
that you want that game to be about, Wow, you
really lucked out a win in a game that you
played terrible?
Speaker 3 (01:30):
Sure? Hey, do you want that game to be about
heart and grint and this is what playoff teams are
made of.
Speaker 4 (01:38):
Sure, go ahead, how about this? Can we start off
the show with the rare strawpole?
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Please draw?
Speaker 4 (01:50):
Yeah? Are you more incredibly happy or upset looking back
at the game? And I don't mean this like, of course,
you get the result that you want, which is a dub,
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But beyond that, look at the bigger picture.
Speaker 3 (02:15):
Which way do you view the game?
Speaker 4 (02:18):
Do you view it in the We got lucky, but
we played bad. And I'm still really concerned because you
scored thirty three points in a quarter. The fourth quarter
lies e lies? I mean, what do you want that
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game to be?
Speaker 3 (02:39):
About?
Speaker 4 (02:40):
One hundred and eighty yards of total offense through three
quarters and no points or two hundred and twenty seven
yards of offense with thirty three points in fifteen minutes? Like,
I don't know what to do. My job is to
come on here and have an opinion about something. Here's
my opinion. I thought you played like ass and I
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thought that one great quarter bailed you out, and I
think that might be just what this team is.
Speaker 3 (03:11):
Now.
Speaker 4 (03:11):
Not putting thirty three points up in a quarter type
of team, because I don't know any team who does that.
Let me remind you of this, the stat that Kevin
Harlan gave to start the show. Nellie, correct me if
I'm wrong here. In nineteen trillion tries, when a team
leads by four billion points in the fourth quarter with
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eighteen minutes left to go, no team has ever come
back from that, except for the Denver Broncos.
Speaker 3 (03:38):
Now so improbable.
Speaker 2 (03:41):
NFL teams have won one thousand, six hundred and two
consecutive games when leading by eighteen points in the final
and six minutes of a game.
Speaker 4 (03:53):
No, Kevin Harlan, I think my stat was right. I
don't know who you get your stats from, but I
think is the correct one.
Speaker 3 (04:03):
Brett.
Speaker 5 (04:03):
You know it came to mind yesterday when I was
watching that game. Do you remember when we had Emmanuel
Sanders on this show, I don't know about a month ago,
and you guys asked him about the ability to finish games. Yeah,
if that's something you got to learn, if that's the
skill you need, And he said, not only is it
something that you need to learn, you also need a
little bit of luck. And he said that Super Bowl
fifty team got lucky on the way to the championship.
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And yesterday the Broncos. It's in the fourth quarter. They
finally get the ball down to the red zone. It's
like first and goal from the three. Sean Payton calls
the worst goal line secrets of plays I've ever seen
in my life. Dude, you have running backs plural on
your roster, and you're making bo Nicks drop back and
throw moon balls from like two yards out of the
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end zone. And somehow Troy Franklin catches a stupid pinball
deflection and now you got eight points on the ball,
and now because of some improbable crazy catch, now you
got a chance.
Speaker 3 (05:04):
Like that's luck.
Speaker 4 (05:06):
Wait, but Nelly, the football god said I see you that,
and I raise you the touchdown. The Giants scored directly afterwards,
which was the same thing, another deflected ball that went
for a touchdown. You're like, all right, the game's over.
At multiple points during that there's that little meter that
these these website CSPN and stuff has that shows you like, hey,
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here's your percentage chance to win at this point in
the game. Multiple times le Broncos were they were like
get zero point three percent the play that changed the game.
And this is where I mean you talk about getting lucky.
But capitalizing on the luck. The sternad interception changed everything.
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It's what felt. It's the first time it gave you
hope that you could actually come back. And don't take
my word for it. By the way, Pat Sortan said,
I gave up hope in the middle of the game.
He said it in the postgame, and guess what, you'd
be an idiot not to I don't care if you're
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a player or coach or whatever. And everybody says you
can't believe you're gonna lose the game. Sometimes you just
know you're gonna lose. Sometimes, I mean it happens in
every sport. You're down thirty points with ten minutes left
in the fourth quarter of a basketball game. Could you
come back feasibly? I suppose, but you lost. You're down
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nine runs in the ninth inning in baseball? Could you
come back?
Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (06:40):
You could go on some sort of wild to quote Anchorman,
bing bang boom. You could do that a few times.
But you lost. You lost that game and then somehow
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took advantage of every opportunity. Like this is what makes.
Speaker 3 (07:07):
This team so damn frustrating. It's funny. He was watching
the game with a buddy.
Speaker 4 (07:19):
He makes a throw to Sutton and he had a
couple of drinks and he looks at me dead in
the face.
Speaker 3 (07:27):
Nelly.
Speaker 4 (07:27):
He says this, He goes, it's in there talking about Nick's.
Speaker 3 (07:31):
Like, it's those throws are in there. Why can't they
be out there more? You know? And it's so true.
Speaker 4 (07:39):
We all watched the fourth quarter and we're like that,
you can do that, why can't you do that more?
And I'll say it again, and nobody's gonna want to
hear this, And you know what, I am not. I
am not angry this morning. I think it's one of
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the most remarkable things I've ever seen in my life.
The end of that game. Now, it was the Giants
and these games that you seem to play poorly in
when are coming against the Giants in the Jets and
the Titans and stuff like that. But whatever the way
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that you got booked up on the schedule, you play
that way against Kansas City, you're not gonna win.
Speaker 3 (08:29):
Like we all know that stuff.
Speaker 4 (08:32):
But I just, you know, I use this analogy a lot,
but I think there's a lot of times in life
that it applies to, and this is certainly one of them.
Speaker 3 (08:42):
This is truly a choose your own adventure book.
Speaker 4 (08:46):
If you want the focus to be on Hey, that
is remarkable grit. And what we've been wanting to see
from Bone forever is his ability to come back from
down in the fourth quarter and make plays to win. Well,
damn it, you nailed it. It's exactly what you wanted.
(09:10):
Do you want to be like the inconsistencies of this
team are going to be that plagues them from doing
anything larger than maybe making a postseason spot.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
Well, you got that ammunition too. I just it's to me.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Remarkable that they came back in one. And I think,
and I hope this show Sean Payton something about when
their backs are against the wall and they got to
go with a little bit of tempo, it feels like
you can find a rhythm. Yes, was the Giants defense
playing soft, of course, but I think bo Nicks in
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tempo is better. It allows him just to go out
there and play. Did you notice that he ran the
ball a few times for really big crucial runs. And
I think it's just because he wasn't thinking. He wasn't
thinking who's my primary receiver, who's my backup? What do
we gotta do here? How long is this play call
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gonna be how many play calls? Am I gonna have
my head when it comes to the line. Do I
gotta check this down? Do I gotta kill the play?
Speaker 3 (10:15):
Do I get?
Speaker 4 (10:16):
I don't think he thought that way. At the end
of the game. It was just about moving the football
down the field. It was just about trying to get
a chunk. And the more that he can play with
that sort of mindset, I think, the better they're gonna be.
Speaker 5 (10:34):
Then, Brett, Yeah, to your point about the chooser and adventure,
I think I think so many things about this game
are true. I mean, thing one, that's one of the
greatest comebacks I've ever seen. I genuinely, I'm thinking back
on thirty three points in the fourth quarter, Nelly.
Speaker 4 (10:48):
It's the first time that somebody's been down a billion
points that they've come back with that deficit.
Speaker 5 (10:53):
I don't know if you know that absolutely, that's that's
don't fact check it.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
That's already true. We know that. That's. That's thing one.
Speaker 5 (11:00):
I mean the fact that they scored thirty three points
in the fourth quarter on Damarius Thomas Day, who unfortunately
left us when he was thirty three years old. I mean,
that was a pretty cool number.
Speaker 3 (11:09):
Just a great day all out of a weird coincidence.
That's thing one.
Speaker 5 (11:11):
Thing two is those first three quarters made me want
to hop in my car and drive off of Loveland Pass.
That was some of the worst football we've seen this season.
Like you thought the Jets game was bad, what about
the first three quarters yesterday? So, I mean, there's so
many things from this game could be true. At the
end of the day, though, all the matters is what
the scoreboard says when the Clockets triple zeros and the
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fact that the Broncos are at the top of the
AFC West right now. I think that's pretty cool. But
we can still three quarters that game and say a
lot of stuff needs to improve. I think all that's true.
Speaker 3 (11:43):
That's what I really feel like.
Speaker 4 (11:45):
This show is going to be a half and half
mix of like, marveling at this comeback that win takes
you to first in the AFC West solo because the
Chargers got spanked by Andy. It's going to be half
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of what an amazing finish and another half of what
happened early in the game, because I can't ignore that either.
Guys had I have no idea what we the discussion
would be at least first top of mind had the
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game ended with the touchdown from the Giants. I mean,
if you guys really want to talk about luck, two
missed extra points, a bevy of special teams issues for
the Giants led to the opportunity for you to get
the outright win.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
You know, remember.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
The Giants missed the extra point, and then they go
for two to try and make up for the missed
extra point, and then they miss an extra point again.
That's three points off the board. That changes the entire
complexion of the game.
Speaker 3 (13:16):
And like part of me, Nellie, I don't know if
we've done this before. I don't know if you were
even allowed to do this.
Speaker 4 (13:23):
I just at some point during the show, want to
listen live to a New York radio show. I want
to see what that sounds like today for them. Think
about how sick you'd have to be to start, if
that was us, if that was shoe on the other foot,
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that you come in here after having all the stuff
that we talked about, one six hundred and two straight games,
in that situation up eighteen plus with six minutes left
in the game or whatever, and you lost, you'd be sick.
Speaker 3 (14:04):
I mean it was the most bizarre, crazy game ever.
Speaker 4 (14:11):
And it's a rally somehow, a rally house victory Monday
because Bo nicks multiple times at the end of a
game lead drives Nelly. Here's the five drives in the
fourth quarter touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, touchdown, field goal, game over
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eight place, seventy eight yards, thirteen play seventy four yards,
four plays, nineteen yards, six play sixty eight yards, four plays,
fifty six yards, four touchdowns in a field goal, thirty
three points three h three five, four two five. We're
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broadcasting on the back of some Shankers studios. Their passion
is justice. Keep the text coming in. Whatever you think
that game was, tell me is it good? Is it great?
Is it still bad? Are you still concerned? Are you
over the moon happy? Is it everything? Continue this when
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we come.
Speaker 3 (15:24):
Back, pat the kick throat goes through the uprights, you
win the game. What was the first thought that went
to your.
Speaker 6 (15:28):
Hut Man relief? I was I lost hope, I ain't
gonna lie. Uh yeah, I lost hope.
Speaker 3 (15:37):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (15:37):
It was one of them games man where uh we
felt like we execute I mean, go in the film room.
There's a lot of corrections but one thing we didn't
lose was composure, and you know, we fall to the end,
you know what I mean? You never know in this league,
no matter how much you're down, you know, it's always
it's always a will and there's always a way.
Speaker 4 (15:57):
Yeah again, if if you didn't lose hope in that game,
then you're not a human big then you are a
Broncos football loving robot.
Speaker 3 (16:10):
There is.
Speaker 4 (16:12):
So much to discuss because Nelly, you know what it
feels like. It feels like I watched about three different
games that the Broncos.
Speaker 3 (16:19):
Played in a day.
Speaker 4 (16:22):
We can talk about the early game, you know how
like when you got kids and they play on a
basketball team or a baseball team or something like that,
or a soccer team, and they play like three games
in a day.
Speaker 3 (16:33):
They're playing like a tournament. The Broncos did that yesterday
against the Giants.
Speaker 4 (16:38):
It was just like, hey, let's best of three, you
guys ready, all right, let's go.
Speaker 5 (16:42):
That was an aau marithon just games all day.
Speaker 4 (16:46):
You went to your local high school football field and
you're like, all right, we're gonna just gonna have teams
play each other real quick. Let's let's get one of
these games out of the way. And the first game
was terrible. First and second and third and whatever, all bad.
Speaker 3 (17:00):
But I just you know, we'll focus on the good
here for a moment. The good is this.
Speaker 4 (17:10):
It's now been multiple instances of bow Nicks stepping up
when it matters most.
Speaker 3 (17:17):
And I tell you what, Nelly, that guy.
Speaker 4 (17:22):
Has a very very sort of steel minded approach.
Speaker 3 (17:31):
Where he doesn't give up.
Speaker 4 (17:32):
Sometimes I look at bow Nicks and like he kind
of looks like a robot, like a football what is
a doesn't Sanford call him bobot?
Speaker 3 (17:41):
Yeah, the bobot. He's got that.
Speaker 4 (17:46):
Because there is no reason why you should even consider
still winning that football game towards the end. But he
played really well when it mattered the most. And I'll
tell you what's the most impressive thing that he did.
You know, to get them back in the football game
is one thing, But Nelly, when they scored with a
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minute fifty left, only to have the Giants shove it
right back down their throat for a touchdown, you have
thirty seven seconds left on the clock for him to
come back after that emotional high then emotional low and
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put them in that position to kick the game winner.
Is remarkable. You know, somebody pointed out that first throw
that he had on the game winning drive or a
hit Mims. It looked like he was actually targeting Courtland Sutton,
(18:58):
where both of those guys for some reason, we're in
the same spot. But cut Sutton was running like a
post route and Mims just kind of sat down on it. Regardless,
you get that play that's made. You gotta go clock it,
but you gotta make one more. You gotta get in
(19:19):
better position. And then he hit Sutton for twenty two
yards down the sideline, spiked the football three seconds left,
and your special teams comes through for you.
Speaker 3 (19:31):
You get the dub.
Speaker 4 (19:32):
There is something about the mental fortitude of what bo
Nicks possesses that is incredibly impressive. I mean, I don't
know if this is gonna be a dirty thing to
say out loud or not. It's very Tebow where you
(19:54):
can play a dog butt awful game and yet still
be in position to win and then close it out
at the very end. It's very tebow esque. That's what
his entire run in Denver was. I play bad, bad, bad,
bad bad bad bad Oh. We got a shot the win.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
Boom. Here's the big play that wins the game for us.
Speaker 4 (20:17):
Now, he's obviously better than Tebow, but all I'm saying
is that sort of thing of nothing's working.
Speaker 3 (20:26):
This looks terrible.
Speaker 4 (20:27):
I'm pissed off, borderline, gonna shut the game off, and
then you make this comeback, Nelly. I take these notes
either on my laptop or on my phone or in
the game. I stopped taking notes. I was like, there's
no point anymore. The game's over.
Speaker 3 (20:41):
I did that.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
Now.
Speaker 4 (20:42):
I kept watching, but I stopped, and then I was like,
I should start taking notes again. So I give him
full credit for being able to have the mental toughness
to stay in that game. And when you find that
little slipper of an opening, you just kick the door down,
and that's liver of an opening.
Speaker 3 (21:02):
Was the justin Surnad interception.
Speaker 4 (21:05):
It was the rookie mistake from Jackson Dark that you
were kind of waiting all game four, like he's under pressure.
He kind of steps up and I don't know how
he doesn't see Sternad just sitting right there.
Speaker 3 (21:16):
But good hands by Sternacus was sort of out of
his reach. He grabbed it.
Speaker 4 (21:20):
But the second that that play happened, you're like Okay,
you get a quick touchdown here, it's like a twenty
yard drive.
Speaker 3 (21:26):
You start the.
Speaker 4 (21:28):
Drive at the twenty yard line. You can get this
within three points if you do everything right. And it
was touchdown, you're within three. That was after the previous
touchdown in which you had two point conversions on both
of them, just to get it to sixteen. Like it,
I'm blown away, But God, I'm also blown away by.
Speaker 3 (21:56):
What the start of.
Speaker 4 (21:57):
The game looked like and how you had absolutely nothing.
And again, what's more frustrating. And we talked about the
t Bow thing, like it's very t bowesque the way
that you won. But here's what's frustrating. When t BO
did that, that's all t Bow was, and some people
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could they they tried to convince themselves that something different.
We all knew in you're a hard hearts, you knew
that Tebow was just that is as good as he's
ever going to be. And it's not good enough. Now,
if you could mix a lot of talent with the
late game heroics, then you got like an all timer
on your hands. But TBO just wasn't good. Like Bo
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Nicks is good, he's got talent.
Speaker 3 (22:46):
I want to keep us the quote from my buddy,
it's in there. It's in there. The files are in
the computer. Like maybe that's how you gotta do.
Speaker 4 (22:56):
I just gotta walk up the bow Nicks and start
banging his helmet around like zoo Lander did with the computer.
Speaker 3 (23:02):
Start hitting it like he's got it in him.
Speaker 4 (23:07):
He's got the ability to be a big time quarterback
in this league. But that consistency is gonna be a killer.
If there's a reason I'm looking at Good Morning Football. Sorry,
just got distracted because I'm looking at Good Morning Football.
Speaker 3 (23:29):
And Kyle Brandt held.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
Up the front page of it was the New York Times,
I believe, And you know what it said, in big
bold letters is a picture of Jackson Dart and it
said worst loss ever.
Speaker 3 (23:43):
And they're probably right. I mean, it's not a Super
Bowl loss or.
Speaker 4 (23:49):
Anything, but if you could choose the worst way to
lose a regular season game, it's that.
Speaker 3 (23:54):
But going back to it, bo Nicks has ability. He's
got it.
Speaker 4 (24:01):
We've seen it. We've seen it at the end of
the game yesterday. We've seen it at the end of
the game against Philly. We've seen it in the Cincinnati game.
We've seen it in the Indianapolis game. We've seen it
at a ton of different points last year, but there
is there's something about not being able to do things
(24:29):
consistently that if his time as a Bronco ends in
the next couple of years, if for whatever reason they
can't reach the mountaintop or he doesn't improve or blah
blah blah, the reasoning for that is going to be
the consistency, Like that is going to be on his headstone.
(24:53):
If this ends in a way that we all hope
it doesn't, which is he's no longer the quarterback here.
That's going to be their problem. And part of me
gets really nervous with everybody gets on Sean Payton, and
I think deservedly so for some of his play calling decisions,
(25:14):
saying that's holding him back, and I think at certain
points it does. But I can give you two, three, four, five, six, seven,
eight direct examples of why Sean Payton doesn't trust it,
Like why do you run so many swing passes? Why
do you run so many bubble screens? Because when Bonnick's
(25:37):
early in the game was taking shots downfield, he was off.
I mean, how many times do we see this? Nelly
first plays the swing pass for two yards. Second plays
and incompletion, third play is a deep ball forty yards
downfield that he throws out of bounds. That's like the
entire first half was that, Like, how about this? They
(26:00):
set up a play Nelly that works. They're able to
sneak Garrett Bulls into the end zone as an eligible tackle.
He's wide open, and not only does Bo see him
way too late. Instead of lofting it to a wide
open guy in the end zone, he tries to throw
something with like not a bullet but just a flat
(26:23):
football that of course gets tipped. And it's like, as
much as people want to give Sean Payton grief about
play calls, there are too many examples of guys that
are open wide receivers that are missed or not recognized
early enough or something, you know what I mean.
Speaker 3 (26:40):
And so I think.
Speaker 4 (26:40):
There's a real trust sort of problem going on right now.
Speaker 5 (26:48):
Can I can I ask you a follow up questions that? Then, So,
if he doesn't trust Bonnicks to make some of those
throws in key moments, why doesn't he trust his running
backs either, Because it's because it seems like he's making
Bow make these bad throws. And then he also isn't
handing off the ball I have. I have JK. Dobbins
(27:08):
on my fantasy team. And what did VIC call it?
The altitude sports radio football, altitude fantasy sports football, altitude football. Yes,
And so anytime the Broncos got into the red zone
and got down to like the five yard line, I went, Okay,
let JK. Cook Man, it's Steve's about to get some
fantasy points here. Let's rack up the board for old Nelly.
(27:29):
And it never happened. That just never happened. I felt like,
I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Speaker 4 (27:35):
I do think he got better at that a couple
of weeks ago, and then they got down to a
third string left guard, and then it feels like he
got really nervous about that again. So I don't know.
I don't have the exact reasons for it, but I
will say that I do think they didn't want to
(27:56):
tip their hand in the running game, and anytime they
tried to run on the left side, it just it
felt like he didn't go anywhere. And so maybe he
wasn't trusting of another backup offensive lineman playing left guard.
I don't know, Nelly, I don't have I don't have
the answers I wish I did because it confuses me.
(28:18):
Confuses the hell out of me. But if there's anything
I take away from it, and I know Sean Payton
mentioned something about tempo in the post game, and I
think he's just being stubborn about this. There's no question
that if you watch, Okay, I'm gonna say something that's
(28:39):
gonna sound insulting, and I don't mean it that way.
I think that Sean Payton thinks running at tempo is
not a professional offense, that it's a college offense. And
then I'd show him what his offense looks like, because
it's a very much a college offense. You know what
colleges do all the time, bubble screens, check down to
(29:01):
your running back RPOs. That is a college offense. You're
already doing it.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
Just go with it.
Speaker 4 (29:14):
Don't be stubborn about the offense that you want to run.
Do the offense you need to run. You know, I
think about that all the time. It's some people just
get so It's like they think that my scheme is
so genius that all we need to do is execute
(29:37):
this properly and we're gonna be really good and it's like, well,
maybe you don't have the horses to run that system.
Speaker 3 (29:43):
Maybe you don't. You gotta just and I'm just like
feed into what at least feels like it works.
Speaker 4 (29:53):
And maybe I'm just stupid radio host that doesn't know
anything and he knows more about football than me, which
is true, way more, and I just.
Speaker 3 (30:01):
Don't recognize it.
Speaker 4 (30:02):
But just from my stupid naked eye, I watch quite
a bit of football. Don't claim to be a genius,
but I know when things look.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Smooth. When you get Nick's in a position where he's.
Speaker 4 (30:17):
Gotta go, Hey, you gotta go, gotta make a play,
come on, let's go find it, find it, it just
feels like he is way more in rhythm, and I
think that does harken back to his college days where
maybe they did run a little bit more up tempo
and it's not so much thinking about executing every single
(30:38):
little detail of your offensive plan. It's about I need
to make a play. So I mean that's it again.
No football expert, no football genius. He knows more about
this thing than I do. Sean Payton does. But I
know what things look like. I know when things run smooth.
(31:03):
I know when on offense looked like it looks like
it's chuckling along or it looks.
Speaker 3 (31:06):
Like it's got square wheels. So I don't know. I mean, again,
this is the good from the game, is that bo Nicks.
Speaker 4 (31:16):
He has ability. But how do you get that consistent
over four quarters? That's the next question. Now again, I
really feel like this show is just gonna go back
and forth, Nelly, and it's gonna be good bad, good bad,
good bad, because there's a lot of bad in that
game too that I want to get to special teams
(31:37):
for driving me nuts. I wanted to throw everything. When
they caught the kickoff at the five yard line and
just ran out of bounds, I'm.
Speaker 3 (31:44):
Like, what what are we doing?
Speaker 4 (31:48):
And somebody can tell me that, Hey, Darren Rizzy isn't
the one telling him to catch it and run out
of bounds, but it happens under his watch, so who
it happens every week? Like, there are things that are
gigantic problems that need to be corrected now, not later.
Now you want to know why you lead the division
(32:10):
solely first place AFC West. Everything we could have hoped
for seven weeks into the season, it ain't gonna last.
If the first three quarters look like that though, So
it's Rally House victory Monday. You can always text us
in the shop maz to text line one price, one person,
one hour, three oh three, five oh four oh nine
(32:31):
to two five back. After this, texter says, get it together, boys.
Another one said, let's do ads. God, there we go.
Uh see, now we're having different problems to where we
(32:53):
can't fade the music out, and so.
Speaker 3 (32:54):
We're just work with us here.
Speaker 4 (32:57):
I got I got a message on my computer screen
where all of our buttons are that says could not
open hibernate session for transaction. You guys tell me what
that means. So here's the point. We're having technical difficulties
this morning. I would argue that this is like the
first three quarters of the Broncos game.
Speaker 3 (33:17):
I was just gonna ready a fourth.
Speaker 5 (33:18):
That last commercial break was basically like the Broncos game
where it was really bad but then it was good
at the end.
Speaker 4 (33:24):
Yeah, we'll see if we can pull our own sort
of a Broncos miracle. By the way, none of this
is anybody here's fault, certainly not Nelly's. When you get
a bunch of red warning signs, that's where you need
to call.
Speaker 3 (33:38):
On an adult for help. Here's the situation.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
It's a rally house football Monday rally house shop every
team in Down.
Speaker 3 (33:50):
I said, this is gonna be just a sort of
ping pong game of good.
Speaker 4 (33:55):
Bad, good bad good bad, because there was bad, and
I mean really bad in this game. First of all,
your vaunted defense, I don't want to say got lit up,
but was giving up some massive plays over the course
(34:17):
of that game. The wide open touchdown to Bellinger to
start things out, tight ends running wide open all over
the field, give up that big run to Tracy, like
that kind of stuff. First of all, out of character.
It did not make Jackson Dart look like a rookie,
I guess, is what I'm saying. We all kind of
(34:38):
expected rookie quarterback walking into Denver on that day against
that defense was going to be blown up, and he wasn't.
So that's one I still think they have some issues
in stopping the run. It's one area in which it's
just it still doesn't look right. It was good to
see green Law back on the field. It's probably gonna
(34:58):
take him a minute to get fully back up to speed. Secondly,
this is what's gonna kill you. This is what's gonna
hold you back. You know, we've talked about bo Nicks
and the offense, and the offense not looking consistent and
not picking up on third downs and blah blah blah.
Speaker 3 (35:16):
We know all that stuff. There is.
Speaker 4 (35:20):
A massive discipline problem with this team.
Speaker 3 (35:24):
Huge.
Speaker 4 (35:28):
They are penalized so much, and they are penalized in
the worst situations, third downs, constantly giving up first downs,
putting yourself.
Speaker 3 (35:39):
Behind the eight ball.
Speaker 4 (35:39):
When you're on offense, you're you got third and short, Well,
you make a penalty.
Speaker 3 (35:43):
Now it's third and eight or third and twelve. Those
kill you.
Speaker 4 (35:49):
And for a veteran head coach, discipline should not be
an issue, but it is. I'll tell you what else
discipline is. Discipline is special teams.
Speaker 3 (35:59):
That's all. What special teams are? You know.
Speaker 4 (36:01):
I compare to rebounding in basketball. There's like a want
to Hey, anybody can rebound, you have to want to rebound.
I think that special teams is just you have to
be disciplined. If a ball is flying out of bounds
off the kickoff the five yard line, why the hell
(36:21):
are you even considering catching that? How many times have
we seen guys this year have a foot out of
bounds and then touch the football, which leads directly to
kick off out of bounds that you get at the
forty yard line. So discipline is a massive problem and
(36:43):
continues to be every single week. And that little stuff
is just it's not what winning football teams do, so
that's an issue. And then finally, you know, we keep
talking about the bo nick Sean Payton is at play calling?
Speaker 3 (37:00):
Is it talent? Is it this? Is it that?
Speaker 4 (37:02):
And then you get a fourth quarter and you go,
well that works, So what is it really? You're bad
on third down? That's a big problem, but you're actually
pretty good when plays matter the most. You get two
point conversions when you need them, you pick up fourth
downs when you need them.
Speaker 3 (37:24):
So what does that mean? You're bad?
Speaker 4 (37:27):
World here, You're bad on third down, but you pick
up fourths and two point conversions with ultra consistency. Like
I think that term jekylin hyde is so overused in
sports because everybody says it all the time, But truly,
this team feels that way. You put them thirty three
(37:50):
points in the quarter, you had five drives, four touchdowns
in a field goal, Hang on hang on hand, yeah, yeah,
there you go.
Speaker 7 (37:58):
You know what's weird about Jekyl and Hyde. It sounds
like Jekyl should be the bad guy.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
I've always thought that, Yeah, you.
Speaker 7 (38:05):
Know, but that's but but but Jeckyl's the good guy.
Jacky's the good doctor.
Speaker 3 (38:08):
Jekyl.
Speaker 7 (38:09):
Yeah, And then like mister Hyde sounds like a good,
upstanding businessman.
Speaker 3 (38:12):
No, but he's the he's the freak that he'll shank
you at night.
Speaker 7 (38:17):
It's just that that's a that's a juxtaposition that's hard
to hard to comprehend.
Speaker 3 (38:20):
I thought so too. Donna might drop in there most
thank you late. Oh yeah.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
I I look at this team and I see the
multitude of problems that they still have, and then I
see all of the things that could make them good.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
And you kind of.
Speaker 4 (38:42):
Ask yourself, and this is a weird thing to ask
yourself seven weeks in, but it's where you are, and
it's why I'm concerned. What team do you have? You
should know, we're about halfway through the year. I should
have a pretty firm grasp on what to expect weekend
week out from this team, and I don't.
Speaker 3 (39:02):
I don't know what to expect quarter to quarter.
Speaker 4 (39:07):
Legitimately, the Broncos looked like one of the worst teams
in football for three quarters.
Speaker 3 (39:13):
They did.
Speaker 4 (39:16):
If you did blind resume test, if you didn't know
the records of teams, and you showed me that game
between the Giants and the Broncos, I would say the
Giants are like, yeah, they're a no okay football team, okay,
And I would say the Broncos are terrible. And then
he showed me the fourth quarter. Now insanely lucky with
(39:38):
a couple of things. Yes, ball tipped. You got a
guy at the back pie line that falls down with
his hip inbounds. Lucky, rookie quarterback makes stupid throw to
keep you in football game where he puts it right
in the hands of Justin Stronad.
Speaker 3 (39:58):
Lucky.
Speaker 4 (40:01):
Look, it was a great play by Stronade, but it
wasn't like he jumped route.
Speaker 3 (40:05):
He was standing there.
Speaker 4 (40:10):
Field goal kicker on the other team misses two extra points, lucky.
Now flip side, you score two touchdowns and convert two
two point conversions. Good Like. It was just such a
(40:32):
giant mixed bag. And I almost feel like Nelly if
that game ended with the Giants scoring that touchdown with
thirty seven seconds left and you lost thirty two to thirty.
Speaker 3 (40:46):
I have no idea what kind of show this would be.
Speaker 4 (40:50):
Could you even do the yeah, well they tried their
best to come back thing. Probably not, but because they finished,
the come completely changed everything, you know, And there's a
whole bunch of stuff that happened over the weekend.
Speaker 3 (41:06):
You know, Jane Norvel was let go at CSU. You had.
Speaker 4 (41:12):
The Avs pick up another win to start the year.
You had sho Hao Tani playing I think the greatest
baseball game that any player's ever played, and once you
had ten strikeouts on the mound and hit three bombs
at the plate.
Speaker 3 (41:24):
Don't think we'll ever see that again.
Speaker 4 (41:26):
Like, there's so much, but I swear to god, I
think the story of the entire sports weekend waking up
this morning is this comeback, especially because it came against
New York. So to always listen to the show, watch
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