0:00 - Sean Payton is a lot like Michael Malone when it comes to roster construction. They share a similar philosophy.
14:11 - Let's re-investigate that ESPN article that ranked NFL teams based on how much talent they have under the age of 25. Reminder: the Broncos ranked dead last. Is that really an issue? How important is age when it comes to success on the field?
32:12 - Davante Adams sat down with ESPN LA at training camp and said something that confirms what we already knew: Josh McDaniels makes everyone around him miserable.
14:11 - Let's re-investigate that ESPN article that ranked NFL teams based on how much talent they have under the age of 25. Reminder: the Broncos ranked dead last. Is that really an issue? How important is age when it comes to success on the field?
32:12 - Davante Adams sat down with ESPN LA at training camp and said something that confirms what we already knew: Josh McDaniels makes everyone around him miserable.
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Martin Marvis b THATIFA is today? That Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I mean it's just Malcolm Roach. I mean, sit next
to him in the locker room. The guy doesn't shut
up these talking craft to receivers. It's like, dude, like,
you're fat guy, Like, go worry about that.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
But uh, we're always going back and forth. But with him,
it's just a whole nother deal.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I mean, it's a candidate for what I would consider
to be the quote of camp. It's either that or
it's your stupid little internet shows. It's one of those two.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You're fat guy, like, go worry about that.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Here's why he's that. By the way, if you were
here yesterday, if you were one of the fortunate eight
hundred sitting in the seats behind us, the beginning of
team period yesterday was like pretty pretty aggressive in a
way that I wasn't used to throughout all of camp.
You know, it was their third straight day of pads.
(01:19):
They aren't really hitting. I mean they're hitting, but they
aren't taking anybody to the ground. And I think Vic
asked yesterday when we were watching it, he goes, have
you seen somebody actually go to the ground yet during camp?
And I was like, I mean outside of like falling
or something like that, not really like a real tackle.
And how team periods started yesterday was chippy from the
(01:41):
second they opened it up. It was a lot of
running in team drills, so was one v one. I'm sorry,
the ones versus the ones is what I mean. And
they hand the ball off to JK Dobbins and JK
Dobbins comes through the line and they're still allowed to
pop you, just not take you to the ground. And
(02:02):
when I tell you that, dra Greenlaw absolutely clocked JK
Dobbins without having to wrap his hands around him, got
him off balance, kind of started to fall backwards, and
then somebody else hit him. He fell down and then
there became a pile on top of on top of JK.
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Dobbins got up and he wasn't happy. Now. He was
the first time I saw somebody get up and he
started yelling. I thought, we said, there's no m MEFI tacklin.
That's m MEPhI Tacklin like he just was really upset.
Now meanwhile, the defense is going nuts because Drake Greenladge
just popped somebody. And then the very next play, or
maybe two plays later, Malcolm Roach jumps in, breaks through
(02:46):
the line and also has a massive hit in the backfield,
to which he took his helmet off and threw it
at the rest of his defensive teammates. And there was
a lot of hooting and hollering going on. So it
was a pretty lively at least start to practice yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
In fact, I like, go worry about that.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But that's where that came from. Is Malcolm Roach did
that and then started to get in the faces of
wide receivers, which I thought was funny. And Marvin Mims
was like, you're fat. I don't know about you. Look
at me and look at you. Jobs are different. I
want Malcolm Roach to be fat. Malcolm Roach skinny doesn't
work as well at that job.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Some people pointed out yesterday some Texters also said, so
you mentioned so. Marvin Mims mentioned that their lockers are
next to each other, and that Malcolm Roach is always
running his mouth. He is a habitual linestepper. Well, some
textures pointed out that Malcolm Roach went to Texas and
Marvin Mims went to Oklahoma. Okay, so there's probably a
little bit of that rivalry underneath all this trash talk.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
A little extra to it. Yeah, I you know, we
talk about this all the time, but the defense is
going to be ahead of the offense. I'll tell you
what's really starting to catch my eye and what's going
to have I think the rest of my focus here
at camp. I'm really looking at these running backs. I'll
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tell you yesterday I thought Jalil had a good day.
Jalil had one really good sort of cut to the outside,
find open space and made a big play out of it.
And I know there's no tackling, but he wasn't touched.
And that's kind of the point of that drill that
they were doing yesterday. Much in the same way that JK.
Dobbins got popped when he went up the middle, Jalil
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found some open space, bounced it outside and turned it
into it would have been a big run. You know,
who's going to make this team and who's not at
the running back position is huge to me. And Jaliel
is just he's he works hard. You know, I've said
it before. I don't know if Jaliel has anything like
super special to him. You know, I was was it
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yesterday that I was talking about you got to have
a superpower? What's your superpower? And I don't know if
he has one of those. But he works really hard
and he's always doing the right thing, is what i'd
put it, or is how I'd put it into Sean Payton.
Doing the right thing matters a lot. You know, there's
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a there's a real sense and he's it's understandable that
Sean Payton feels this way. You know, he's had a
he has a very good resume, he's had success in
this league. He's got a super Bowl to his name.
He's got nothing but great offenses that he attaches his
name to. He's been able to do it for everybody
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who said he just does it. He it was all
Drew Brees and New Orleans. Well he did it with
a bunch of other guys too. When he had to
have other dudes sort of step up and take over
as the starter. He won with Teddy Bridgewater. He's one
with Taysom Hill like he's one with a bunch of
different qbs. Now, is it to the extent of Rubies. No,
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but I don't think anybody could win if you take
a all time great and then just a guy and
then put them at that position. I would assume it's
probably not gonna look quite the same. But Sean Payton
is very much of the mind I have a system
and an offensive scheme that is going to win if
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you guys execute properly. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't
even think he needs all world talent to do it.
He is just looking for a guy. Can you be
in the right spot that I want to dictate through
my play calling? And if you do that, we're gonna
find a way to be successful. Now, like any other sport,
you need talent. But you guys, tell me, what would
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be the reasoning for an offensive coach to not go
out and in this offseason, when you got a little
bit of money go out and find a big name
free agent to help you out in a scale position
to invest a first round pick in an offensive player.
What's the reason behind it relative to Because the answer
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to me is very simple. He thinks he can do
this kind of by himself, as long as he's got
a quarterback that he trusts and he has a whole bunch
of people on the field that he knows is going
to be in the right position. You know, we got
frustrated last year, and I think understandably when he would
kind of rely on the veteran guys as opposed to
playing the younger ones. I was talking to somebody out
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here and here's a scenario that could totally happen. Okay,
if you go back to last year, little Jordan Humphrey
was getting a lot of playing time. Little Jordan Humphrey
was very limited in his ceiling and talent.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
But.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
He was somebody that knew Sean Payton's system and he
was someone that was always going to be in the
right spot. That mattered to Sean Payton. It's why it
ate into the playing time of people like Troy Franklin,
younger guy, a lot of potential, a lot of talent,
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but didn't quite get it yet. Like that stuff to
him matters, And I think there's somebody here that could
like replace that little Jordan Humphrey role, which is a
guy that Broncos fans might be frustrated that he's on
the field as much as he is, because I'll tell
you this much sort of longtime special teamer that they
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signed during the offseason. Trent Sherfield might be that guy.
He looks like he's a decent white out number one,
but number two, he's a veteran guy that seems to
just be in the right place at the right time. Now,
if you don't know who Trent Sherfield is, he has
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played now for five different teams in the league. He's
a special teams like a punt team gunner. That's what
his major role is. He doesn't have a lot of
catches to speak of, but neither did little Jordan Humphrey.
And I just think if there's somebody like if these
young guys in Troy Franklin in particular, can't step up
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to the plate and just run the play as called
be in the spot you're supposed to be, I could
very easily see somebody like him getting playing time because
he will do it.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I'm gonna draw a comparison. You can tell me if
this holds any water. Sean Payton is Michael Malone. Sean
Payton is not Calvin Booth. Yeah, he doesn't want he
doesn't want young guys that you draft and develop. He
just wants savvy. Well, except for maybe bon Nicks, except
at the quarterback, which is the most important position. He
wants a young guy who he can mold into. He
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can mold in his image, he can mold in his likeness.
But for everybody else in the field, give me guys
who know what they're doing that can just go out
there and read the script and not play street ball,
which is what he said Wilson was playing right Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I thought it forever. Like you know, most coaches are
like this. They are biased towards the veteran guy because
the veteran guy is not going to make stupid mistakes typically,
and that's where you kind of lean towards, especially when
you have a team that has a defense that is
going to be as good as the Broncos are going
to be. Your biggest detail is like, just don't make
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a mistake, Don't do something stupid that's going to put
us at risk. And that's where I think he got
upset with Russell Wilson because he hung onto the ball
a little too much and would improvise too much in
the middle of a play. Like that's a perfect example
of guy is not running what I've called And I
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think that's part of the reason why he get so
frustrated with Russell Wilson all the time. But on top
of that, you're totally right. I've thought he's like a
Michael Malone, a disciple in that sense, not a disciple,
but but they're they're cut from the same cloth in
that sense. I thought about it forever, like Sean Payton
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has a very very quick trigger when it comes to
young guys who make mistakes, and the reasoning is, I
don't trust them. And that's a familiar theme to what
Michael Malone had. Why do you not play the young
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guys more? Because he did he didn't trust them. And
what's funny is Russell Westbrook would make far graver mistakes
than a rookie would. But Russell Westbrook was a veteran
and that mattered to him. He's played in big moments before.
I think Sean Payn's the exact same way. He is
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just looking for guys that he trusts. But that start
to camp yesterday a lot more physical than we've seen
in the past, And maybe that's just part of being
here at camp day after day after day, seeing the
same guy over and over again. You get a little
bit more juiced up. I'm sure they can't wait for
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a week from now when they'll be doing joint practice
against another team in San Francisco. By the way, the
NFL season officially starts tonight with the Hall of Fame
game with the Chargers in Detroit playing. So we're here,
We have arrived to the moment of you're gonna have
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So congratulations everybody, You've made it. I'm very proud of you.
I'm glad. I'm glad you got through the summer, these
dog days of baseball season. But we're here and a
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So I do want to get a little bit more
into the running backs. It's going to have my my
peak attention and fascination throughout the course of camp because
there's two guys that are definitely on this team, and
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I think maybe it's three now, but if they get
the opportunity to go somewhere else, I wonder do they
So we'll get to that in just a little bit. Uh.
On top of that, There's a few things I would
like to discuss regarding age. We did this with the
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Broncos roster, and I just want to know, do you
see this with the article from yesterday that Moser brought
up the twenty five and under team that the Broncos
finished dead last on according to ESPN. Does that have
you concerned or you okay with all of this? So
(14:02):
we'll get there in a couple of minutes. Nelly back
at the backus in Shankers Studios, serious lawyers for the
seriously injured. We'll get to it next.
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So here's what I wanted to get to age the
(16:15):
Broncos are not an old team, I don't think. But
at the same time, when ESPN yesterday had an article
of the top teams with young talent under the age
of twenty five, the Broncos were dead last on the list,
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and I started looking through it, I was like, but
they don't have a lot of guys who are thirty
or older on this team. Yeah, that still doesn't mean
that the Broncos are old. So here's kind of where
this stacks up. If you want to put it just
to average age of NFL is by team. This is
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what's pretty crazy. Did you know that? All right, hay
on four five, twenty seven of the NFL teams in
the league falls somewhere in the average age of twenty
five points something for starters. The starters on their team
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are all around the age of twenty five. The Broncos,
by the way, when you break it down to average
age of a starter, are somewhere right in the middle.
So it looks like, hang on, let me do the
quick count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. Okay,
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so thirty two minus thirteen is nelly hit me nineteenth.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Oh oh, you're you're asking me put me on the spot.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, I just I don't want to be the only
guy doing math this morning. They're nineteenth in the NFL
and average age for their starter. They aren't an old team. Okay,
they aren't, But I guess what I didn't realize was
how quickly this was all shifting to everybody is going
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pure youth movement. The only team that's the outlier really,
the Washington Commanders are by far the oldest team. Their
average age of a starter is twenty seven point one three.
The Steelers are second at twenty six point three seven,
so it's almost a full year older on average for
the Washington Commanders. The youngest team, by the way, is
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the Green Bay Packers. They aren't even an average age
of twenty five yet. So again, the Broncos aren't old.
But here's the good thing about this. When you want
to be a contender, typically you can't have a team
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that's super young. When you look at the teams that
are going to be competitive and trying to ue for
Super Bowls here, most of them are at the midway
point through the older half of where the league is.
The exceptions here the Eagles are super young they're like
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the third youngest team in the league. The Chiefs are
down there at like number eight. But you see up
at the top here, the Bills are right next to
the Broncos. The Lions are up near the top of
the oldest on the list. The Commanders, obviously made the
NFC Championship game, are the oldest. The Pittsburgh Steelers are
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the second oldest, The Niners are the third, the Houston
Texans are fifth. Like, when you're looking to compete for
Super Bowls, you're usually needing some sort of veteran presence
on that team. But especially in what we just talked
about in the first segment with Sean Payton, Sean Payton
has as you got to really earn it if you're
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a rookie, the trust of the head coach. And I
just think he's not willing to throw that out there
and just be like, yeah, let's let's see what happens,
and if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake.
He doesn't want mistakes, you know. I think it's a
major reason why Adrick Estimate just kind of disappeared last year.
He fumbled a couple of times and then he got
put into the I can't trust you pile and once
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that happens, you're you find it really hard to break
your way out. So I don't think that the Broncos
and them being last on that list of blue chip
players under the age of twenty five, it's not a
big deal because most of their guys are like twenty five,
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twenty six, twenty seven. And when you're in that boat,
you can roll with that for like four years, obviously
filling in the cracks in the holes as you go along,
but you're fine. You know where it is a concern
where you get too old. This blew me away when
I saw this yesterday. So we all feel really great
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about the Nuggets offseason. We like what they've done. The
Nuggets are getting to be an older team now. You know,
Yoki is thirty and Jamal's in his upper twenties, and
your backups now were veterans in the league like Bruce
Brown and Tim Hardaway and Jonas Valanciunas. The average age
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of a team that everybody thinks, not me, but everybody
else thinks will be a contender. Did you see the Clippers.
The average age of the Clippers is thirty three point
two years old. That surpassed the two thousand and two
thousand and one Utah Jazz for fielding the oldest team ever.
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According to Tom Haberstrow and Dan Devine of Yahoo Sports,
that Jazz team, by the way, they had eight players
over the age of thirty. They won fifty three games,
but they were eliminated in the first round. Here's what
the Clippers lineup looks like. Chris Paul who's forty, James
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Harden who's thirty six, Nick Batoomb who's thirty six, Kawhi
who's thirty four, in Brook Lopezho's thirty seven. The team
that just won the title last year, the OKAC Thunder,
where young as hell. And I think there's a mix
that you need to find between veteran depth and veteran
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players and then also younger guys because you just can't
tax people that age that often. It just typically doesn't
work that well, especially in the NBA. And so that's
what the Clippers are looking at right now, is an
average age of thirty three point two years old. So
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three ZHO three five four nine two five. Nelly, I
had news yesterday and I've had a realization. I didn't
share it on the show but I had to because
I was like, am I You know when you get
frustrated during the course of a day and then you
take it out on somebody that probably doesn't deserve it.
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I felt like I've been doing this for a couple
of years now. I've had this long standing feud with
one Tyler Kinley in the Rockies bullpen. And then I
started to realize, it's not his fault that a team
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keeps trotting him out there to do poorly. It's their fault.
It's the team's fault for continuing to bring him back
and giving him playing time over others. Well, now that's
not a possibility. I'm actually shocked by this. I couldn't
believe the Rockies pulled off a move to trade Tyler
Kinley over to Atlanta and get something in return. I
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thought it'd be one of those like cash considerations or
what do they say when it's a future prospect? What
do they call that a player to be named later
or something like that.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah, something weird in corporate sounding.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I thought that's what the return would be, and it wasn't.
It's an actual guy. Now he's an eighteenth round pick
in twenty twenty one. And he's got a career ERA
of five across one hundred plus innings pitched that according
to Christian Says of the DNBR, But I don't care.
The fact that they got anything out of it is
remarkable because I didn't think it was even possible. Now,
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I think that they have a few more moves that
they need to make. When you look around and you
see guys like Jake Bird, who's decided, hey, it's around
the trade. De all have an ERA of a billion,
like that's gonna make it a little bit more difficult
than earlier in the year. But I think there is him.
You could look at guys like Halverson or Vodnik or Agnos,
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You could look at guys like Freeland, Marquez, Senzeitela, Gomber, whoever.
I just think it should be time just to offload
some dudes and just see what happens. You know, I'm
kind of iffy on the Halverson and Vodnik stuff because
those guys are under team control for a long time
and they got good stuff. But you could, potentially, like feasibly,
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the Rockies could trade about six more guys, and I
think any all of that would be great. Now, will they?
I don't know. They've been typically quiet near the deadline,
but they've made a couple of moves already, so at
least I'm a little hopeful towards it. Going back to
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the running backs, I think they're gonna have my focus.
They're gonna be the thing I watched the most, you know,
I want to see in I have seen between JK.
Dobbins and R J. Harvey a different level of explosiveness
than was here last year. But the Jaleel in audric
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Estimate stuff is really fascinating. I didn't see audric Estimate
getting a lot of run with the ones the other day.
I saw a lot of JK. I saw a lot
of RJ. Harvey obviously, and a lot of Jaliel was
being mixed in. And I think if you had to
bet right now, just a few days in the camp
before any preseason games, you're gonna find a pretty difficult
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way of audrict Estima making the team. It feels like
he's on the outside looking in right now. Now doesn't
mean it can't change, doesn't mean I'm right. I'm just
kind of judging off of who's getting reps and who's not.
But you just really need some sort of dynamic playmaker
in the backfield, and I think they've got it. I've
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been so impressed with RJ. Harvey and just his ability
to put his foot in the ground and I mean,
hall ass up field. It's one of those noticeable things
on how different it looks like, it looks sort of
not sort of, it looks NFL level. And the great
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thing about running backs is that they can do that
immediately out of the gates once they get on the
football field. In the NFL, there isn't really a learning
curve outside of some pass protection stuff. But when you're
talking about pure running, they run. Think about I challenge
you in fact textures if you got a name that
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I'm not thinking of, I would love to hear it.
But help me. Can you think of a running back
who didn't have a good rookie year in the NFL
and and became good. It just doesn't happen. It's it's
just once you get in the league, your prime starts immediately.
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Because once you're running back and you're looking for that
second contract, everybody kind of looks at you like, yeah,
I think that you're about three more snaps away from
not being able to run anymore, a leg's gonna blow up,
or there's just gonna be too many miles on the
tires and you just can't do it. You know, we
all talk about in the MLB a pitcher who is
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on a pitch count. You don't want to overtax them
because you don't want to do the arm thing and
you don't have him going through Tommy John And then
people are like, well, what happened back in the day.
Nolan Ryan used to pitch all the time, and Bob
Gibson used to throw complete games every other day, So
what's different? And the answer is, I don't know. But
you can have that same sort of discussion with running backs.
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Remember running backs used to be guys in this league
that they would be here for like twelve years if
you were good. Remember remember your emmittt Smith's and Barry
Sanders and all these different dudes. As long as back
in that day they didn't have a major injury, they'd
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be on the field forever. The latest example is Frank Gore.
Frank Gore played for like fourteen years and was still
productive for pretty much all of them. But there is
something that when you talk about guys at that position
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and how quickly they kind of break down. It is
a very interesting watch. Todd Gurley was on top of
the world and he was out of the league at
twenty six. The texture gives a good example here. I
was looking for a running back that wasn't good in
year one and sort of popped off in year two.
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Well guess what Arian Foster. Now, he only played in
six games in his rookie year, but he had fifty
four carries for two hundred and fifty seven yards. The
next year he ran for sixteen hundred. Now was that
an injury? Is that why he missed his rookie year
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because he was productive? He averaged four point eight yards
per carry. Now, if it is an injury, it doesn't count.
If not, that's a really good pull. But outside of that,
it's just like these guys, if they step on the field,
they should be able to play immediately, and if they can't,
there isn't There isn't sort of incubating a running back
and making sure that he starts to get it. You know,
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I was talking about this with Berto last week. But
there's a couple of positions in football that there's a
lot of them, actually, but there's a couple that really
takes time for you to understand. Quarterback is obviously one.
Cornerback is super difficult to get when you first step
in the league because you have so many more responsibilities
than you did in college. But there's some positions like
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running back, wide receiver, edge rusher that when you step
in the league you should just be able to be productive.
And I'm not saying be at your peak because you're
going to continue to learn and grow as a player.
You know, TJ. Watt or Miles Garrett, they weren't. They
weren't the peak forms of themselves or rookie seasons, but
the point was you watch them and we're like, yeah,
they can play very quickly. You can do that, and
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the good news is in at least a few days
of camp, I've noticed some of that with RJ. Harvey
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and boxer briefs. Is what it looks like. I don't
know what those pants are. There are things I could
not wear, is the way I would put it. A tradition,
unlike any other. They gotta sign him to a lifetime contract.
Just if I'm gonna be out here every morning, I
need like one. We don't see anybody until like nine
thirty when the show's almost done. This is our only
(32:44):
sort of like preview to what we're gonna get for
the rest of the day. But again, Brandon Jones doing
his laps around the field. I might have to start this,
this not started, but join this barfoot trend. I think
I'm gonna have to. But it feels like to be
really cold on my toes today, A little brisk this morning. Soft, Yeah,
(33:08):
I am soft. Do you think that he has like
what if it's what if it's like thirty five degrees
in the morning, Do you think he's still barefoot out here?
You do he just he's just tougher than I am.
I mean, well, that's obvious. I understand that. Now. I
am a baby when it comes to the cold, I
really am. But there you go. You're six forty five
(33:29):
update Brandon Jones doing walks around the stadium and he's
heading in to the locker room right now. I'm glad
we got that. I was yelling during the break, spititaro,
spit it out. We need to get the cupid shuffle in.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
And you actually when you said spit it out, you
gave me a couple of these.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Dude, Yeah, I did spit spit it out. Hey, do
you guys remember when Josh McDaniels was here? There is
hang on? Actually I didn't know that there was audio
to this, Nelly. I'm gonna send this to you because
I want to hear it. Davante Adams, remember he played
(34:09):
for Vegas the last couple of years. He did so
with Jimmy Garoppolo and Josh McDaniels. He didn't like it there.
I don't think many did, and so they they confused
(34:29):
that we confuse that with Davante Adams doesn't like Jimmy
Garoppolo and he was asked this. This is on ESPN
Los Angeles. At training camp. They were kind of asked
about him reuniting with Jimmy Garoppolo because now Jimmy is
the backup to Matthew Stafford on the Rams and how
(34:50):
he feels about it. Now, I don't think there's there's
nobody in football more happy than the guy who leaves
Josh McDaniel's team. That's been a tried and true fact
for like a decade and a half. No matter what
happens with Josh McDaniel's, the second you leave, there's nobody
happier than the guy who just bounces out of that place.
But Nelly, let me know when you're ready to play
(35:12):
this audio. Davante Adams was like, Hey, you're with Jimmy
Garoppolo again. You guys, it felt like your relationship wasn't
all that great in Vegas. If you remember, there was
was it the Quarterback Series or it was something where
Davante was miked up and he just got lit up
(35:33):
over the middle and he's he said to his teammates
on the sideline, somebody's got to get me the bleep
out of here. Midgame. He said that, But here's what
he told ESPN LA.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
It's amazing. I love Jimmy and it was never a
personal thing, and I was hoping we didn't have to
have these kind of surprises. This is the first time
he's been brought up, but it's been amazing. We got to,
you know, catch up and get on the right page.
And obviously that was just a dark moment in all
of our live I think all of us were pretty missed.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
And my video froze. But I think you got the point.
And also to your to your previous question, I think
it was there was a series called Receiver.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
It was a receiver.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
That's y quarterback went away for a season and it
was receiver. And this was when he was on the
sideline saying like I'm getting bleep and killed out here. Ray,
He's got to get me out of here.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I mean, he said, imagine somebody saying this about you. Okay,
you're in charge of a business. That's what that coach does.
And somebody who worked for you in that business leaves
to go somewhere else is incredibly happy. You know what
that happens. Sometimes you don't like one job, you like another,
(36:42):
but other people might like that job. But they say
it was a dark time in all of our lives
where we were miserable. And it happens multiple times. Somebody
explain what you have to do and who you have
(37:03):
to be to have everyone seemingly that you worked for
say that, I have worked at jobs that I did
not like. I have worked for people I did not like.
I've never seen universal bleep that guy energy than what
(37:23):
people have for Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Never seen it, and yet he still keeps getting jobs.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Well, I was just wondering where's he at now?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Is he back with the Patriots? Isn't either offensive coordinator
under Vrabel?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Mate? Oh man, you're right. Vrabel hired him back. So
here's what his career looks like, just so you guys
are aware. He was a grad assistant at Michigan State
in nineteen ninety nine. Then he's with the Patriots in
various roles up until two thousand and eight. He then
(37:58):
took the Broncos head coaching gig. He was the offensive
coordinator in quarterbacks coach for a year in Saint Louis.
After that, he then went back to the Patriots to
be the OC and quarterbacks coach for the next ten years.
He then was the coach of the Raiders for two
and then he went back to New England this year.
(38:19):
I need to figure out what the hell's going on here? Like,
how can you be someone that is this universally disliked?
How is that possible? I mean it's you don't have
to be a player's coach. Okay, you don't have to
be that. There are guys that will get on their players.
(38:42):
There are guys that will treat this as a more
i'm the boss, you're the employee sort of relationship, as
opposed to seeing yourselves as equals. Plenty have done that
in the past, but to have universally it feels like
people hating you is such a hard thing to you.
I almost think is that harder than having everybody like you?
(39:08):
I mean, I guess not. There's people that have been
widely hated. I think it's easier. I don't know if
Jesse likes me or not, but I could make Jesse
not like me in a hurry. Making somebody like you,
I guess, is a little bit harder. It's up four eyes.
You just start throwing that stuff out there. I mean,
(39:31):
you do that enough, they'll start to hate you. But
I'm just like, it's c crazy that Josh McDaniels and
it's only this, Like if he didn't have what if
the NFL made a rule and said, Josh McDaniels, sorry,
but you are not allowed to work for the Patriots anymore?
(39:56):
Would he be hired by somebody else? Oh?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
No, I was gonna say he must have some blackmail
on Robert Kraft or something, But that guy, I think
everybody has blackmail on that guy. I think his private
life hasn't been that private for a while, but I
and it seems like he's disliked in a different way
because there are there are head coaches that are absolute
(40:18):
a holes, but they get results right, like Belichick And
maybe that's just their public facing persona guys like Nick
Saban and Bill Belichick and Gregovich.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I think one exists here, Like I think the persona
he puts out publicly versus the relationship that John Payton
has with his players is completely different. Like was it?
Speaker 5 (40:36):
I don't think it was hard knocks? But do you
remember there was that video where Randy Moss convinced Bill
Belichick to show up to his Halloween party and Belichick
actually showed up Yeah, so maybe the difference is some
of these guys that are mean to the media and
publicly and in practice behind the scenes, they're nicer, so
that's how they can get away with it. I don't
understand what the difference is with Josh McDaniels, because he
(40:58):
is hated on another that goes beyond all of these guys.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well, and he had thank you textus for reminding me
that he took the Colts head coaching job, and then
like a couple days later said no, thank you, remember that.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I'd forgotten about that. That's right.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And he didn't just back out of that to take
another head coaching gig. He backed out of it to
go back to the Patriots. That was bizarre, But yeah,
I was looking through like his resume, he's only been
outside of his head coaching stints here and then in Vegas.
(41:37):
He spent one year in Saint Louis with the Rams
in twenty eleven as their OC and that's the only
time he's had a gig outside of outside of New England. Gosh,
that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
That's one of my favorite traditions. By the way, whenever
d mack and Scotty bring up Josh McDaniels and they
get Tyler Columbus to tell Mickdill. Yeah, oh my, I
think he's just making that stuff up, like some of
those stories can't be real. That can't be a real person.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I think we have enough evidence now to prove it's
very real, very.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
Hard to believe that he's actually that that prickly and
stupid behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
I don't even know if it's prickly is the right word.
I think you might have added a couple other letters
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Speaker 2 (00:17):
Martin Marvis b THATIFA is today? That Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
I mean it's just Malcolm Roach. I mean, sit next
to him in the locker room. The guy doesn't shut
up these talking craft to receivers. It's like, dude, like,
you're fat guy, Like, go worry about that.
Speaker 2 (00:34):
Leave me alone.
Speaker 3 (00:35):
But uh, we're always going back and forth. But with him,
it's just a whole nother deal.
Speaker 4 (00:40):
I mean, it's a candidate for what I would consider
to be the quote of camp. It's either that or
it's your stupid little internet shows. It's one of those two.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
You're fat guy, like, go worry about that.
Speaker 4 (00:58):
Here's why he's that. By the way, if you were
here yesterday, if you were one of the fortunate eight
hundred sitting in the seats behind us, the beginning of
team period yesterday was like pretty pretty aggressive in a
way that I wasn't used to throughout all of camp.
You know, it was their third straight day of pads.
(01:19):
They aren't really hitting. I mean they're hitting, but they
aren't taking anybody to the ground. And I think Vic
asked yesterday when we were watching it, he goes, have
you seen somebody actually go to the ground yet during camp?
And I was like, I mean outside of like falling
or something like that, not really like a real tackle.
And how team periods started yesterday was chippy from the
(01:41):
second they opened it up. It was a lot of
running in team drills, so was one v one. I'm sorry,
the ones versus the ones is what I mean. And
they hand the ball off to JK Dobbins and JK
Dobbins comes through the line and they're still allowed to
pop you, just not take you to the ground. And
(02:02):
when I tell you that, dra Greenlaw absolutely clocked JK
Dobbins without having to wrap his hands around him, got
him off balance, kind of started to fall backwards, and
then somebody else hit him. He fell down and then
there became a pile on top of on top of JK.
(02:24):
Dobbins got up and he wasn't happy. Now. He was
the first time I saw somebody get up and he
started yelling. I thought, we said, there's no m MEFI tacklin.
That's m MEPhI Tacklin like he just was really upset.
Now meanwhile, the defense is going nuts because Drake Greenladge
just popped somebody. And then the very next play, or
maybe two plays later, Malcolm Roach jumps in, breaks through
(02:46):
the line and also has a massive hit in the backfield,
to which he took his helmet off and threw it
at the rest of his defensive teammates. And there was
a lot of hooting and hollering going on. So it
was a pretty lively at least start to practice yesterday.
Speaker 2 (02:59):
In fact, I like, go worry about that.
Speaker 4 (03:02):
But that's where that came from. Is Malcolm Roach did
that and then started to get in the faces of
wide receivers, which I thought was funny. And Marvin Mims
was like, you're fat. I don't know about you. Look
at me and look at you. Jobs are different. I
want Malcolm Roach to be fat. Malcolm Roach skinny doesn't
work as well at that job.
Speaker 5 (03:23):
Some people pointed out yesterday some Texters also said, so
you mentioned so. Marvin Mims mentioned that their lockers are
next to each other, and that Malcolm Roach is always
running his mouth. He is a habitual linestepper. Well, some
textures pointed out that Malcolm Roach went to Texas and
Marvin Mims went to Oklahoma. Okay, so there's probably a
little bit of that rivalry underneath all this trash talk.
Speaker 4 (03:44):
A little extra to it. Yeah, I you know, we
talk about this all the time, but the defense is
going to be ahead of the offense. I'll tell you
what's really starting to catch my eye and what's going
to have I think the rest of my focus here
at camp. I'm really looking at these running backs. I'll
(04:06):
tell you yesterday I thought Jalil had a good day.
Jalil had one really good sort of cut to the outside,
find open space and made a big play out of it.
And I know there's no tackling, but he wasn't touched.
And that's kind of the point of that drill that
they were doing yesterday. Much in the same way that JK.
Dobbins got popped when he went up the middle, Jalil
(04:27):
found some open space, bounced it outside and turned it
into it would have been a big run. You know,
who's going to make this team and who's not at
the running back position is huge to me. And Jaliel
is just he's he works hard. You know, I've said
it before. I don't know if Jaliel has anything like
super special to him. You know, I was was it
(04:50):
yesterday that I was talking about you got to have
a superpower? What's your superpower? And I don't know if
he has one of those. But he works really hard
and he's always doing the right thing, is what i'd
put it, or is how I'd put it into Sean Payton.
Doing the right thing matters a lot. You know, there's
(05:14):
a there's a real sense and he's it's understandable that
Sean Payton feels this way. You know, he's had a
he has a very good resume, he's had success in
this league. He's got a super Bowl to his name.
He's got nothing but great offenses that he attaches his
name to. He's been able to do it for everybody
(05:36):
who said he just does it. He it was all
Drew Brees and New Orleans. Well he did it with
a bunch of other guys too. When he had to
have other dudes sort of step up and take over
as the starter. He won with Teddy Bridgewater. He's one
with Taysom Hill like he's one with a bunch of
different qbs. Now, is it to the extent of Rubies. No,
(05:58):
but I don't think anybody could win if you take
a all time great and then just a guy and
then put them at that position. I would assume it's
probably not gonna look quite the same. But Sean Payton
is very much of the mind I have a system
and an offensive scheme that is going to win if
(06:20):
you guys execute properly. And I'm pretty sure he doesn't
even think he needs all world talent to do it.
He is just looking for a guy. Can you be
in the right spot that I want to dictate through
my play calling? And if you do that, we're gonna
find a way to be successful. Now, like any other sport,
you need talent. But you guys, tell me, what would
(06:44):
be the reasoning for an offensive coach to not go
out and in this offseason, when you got a little
bit of money go out and find a big name
free agent to help you out in a scale position
to invest a first round pick in an offensive player.
What's the reason behind it relative to Because the answer
(07:08):
to me is very simple. He thinks he can do
this kind of by himself, as long as he's got
a quarterback that he trusts and he has a whole bunch
of people on the field that he knows is going
to be in the right position. You know, we got
frustrated last year, and I think understandably when he would
kind of rely on the veteran guys as opposed to
playing the younger ones. I was talking to somebody out
(07:31):
here and here's a scenario that could totally happen. Okay,
if you go back to last year, little Jordan Humphrey
was getting a lot of playing time. Little Jordan Humphrey
was very limited in his ceiling and talent.
Speaker 6 (07:44):
But.
Speaker 4 (07:45):
He was somebody that knew Sean Payton's system and he
was someone that was always going to be in the
right spot. That mattered to Sean Payton. It's why it
ate into the playing time of people like Troy Franklin,
younger guy, a lot of potential, a lot of talent,
(08:07):
but didn't quite get it yet. Like that stuff to
him matters, And I think there's somebody here that could
like replace that little Jordan Humphrey role, which is a
guy that Broncos fans might be frustrated that he's on
the field as much as he is, because I'll tell
you this much sort of longtime special teamer that they
(08:32):
signed during the offseason. Trent Sherfield might be that guy.
He looks like he's a decent white out number one,
but number two, he's a veteran guy that seems to
just be in the right place at the right time. Now,
if you don't know who Trent Sherfield is, he has
(08:52):
played now for five different teams in the league. He's
a special teams like a punt team gunner. That's what
his major role is. He doesn't have a lot of
catches to speak of, but neither did little Jordan Humphrey.
And I just think if there's somebody like if these
young guys in Troy Franklin in particular, can't step up
(09:13):
to the plate and just run the play as called
be in the spot you're supposed to be, I could
very easily see somebody like him getting playing time because
he will do it.
Speaker 5 (09:27):
I'm gonna draw a comparison. You can tell me if
this holds any water. Sean Payton is Michael Malone. Sean
Payton is not Calvin Booth. Yeah, he doesn't want he
doesn't want young guys that you draft and develop. He
just wants savvy. Well, except for maybe bon Nicks, except
at the quarterback, which is the most important position. He
wants a young guy who he can mold into. He
(09:49):
can mold in his image, he can mold in his likeness.
But for everybody else in the field, give me guys
who know what they're doing that can just go out
there and read the script and not play street ball,
which is what he said Wilson was playing right Russell Wilson.
Speaker 4 (10:02):
I thought it forever. Like you know, most coaches are
like this. They are biased towards the veteran guy because
the veteran guy is not going to make stupid mistakes typically,
and that's where you kind of lean towards, especially when
you have a team that has a defense that is
going to be as good as the Broncos are going
to be. Your biggest detail is like, just don't make
(10:26):
a mistake, Don't do something stupid that's going to put
us at risk. And that's where I think he got
upset with Russell Wilson because he hung onto the ball
a little too much and would improvise too much in
the middle of a play. Like that's a perfect example
of guy is not running what I've called And I
(10:46):
think that's part of the reason why he get so
frustrated with Russell Wilson all the time. But on top
of that, you're totally right. I've thought he's like a
Michael Malone, a disciple in that sense, not a disciple,
but but they're they're cut from the same cloth in
that sense. I thought about it forever, like Sean Payton
(11:09):
has a very very quick trigger when it comes to
young guys who make mistakes, and the reasoning is, I
don't trust them. And that's a familiar theme to what
Michael Malone had. Why do you not play the young
(11:32):
guys more? Because he did he didn't trust them. And
what's funny is Russell Westbrook would make far graver mistakes
than a rookie would. But Russell Westbrook was a veteran
and that mattered to him. He's played in big moments before.
I think Sean Payn's the exact same way. He is
(11:54):
just looking for guys that he trusts. But that start
to camp yesterday a lot more physical than we've seen
in the past, And maybe that's just part of being
here at camp day after day after day, seeing the
same guy over and over again. You get a little
bit more juiced up. I'm sure they can't wait for
(12:15):
a week from now when they'll be doing joint practice
against another team in San Francisco. By the way, the
NFL season officially starts tonight with the Hall of Fame
game with the Chargers in Detroit playing. So we're here,
We have arrived to the moment of you're gonna have
(12:37):
football now up until February, up until the Super Bowl.
So congratulations everybody, You've made it. I'm very proud of you.
I'm glad. I'm glad you got through the summer, these
dog days of baseball season. But we're here and a
(12:58):
lot more to get through with this, especially with some
audio three zero three five, four nine two five shop
maz de text line one price, one person, one hour.
So I do want to get a little bit more
into the running backs. It's going to have my my
peak attention and fascination throughout the course of camp because
there's two guys that are definitely on this team, and
(13:19):
I think maybe it's three now, but if they get
the opportunity to go somewhere else, I wonder do they
So we'll get to that in just a little bit. Uh.
On top of that, There's a few things I would
like to discuss regarding age. We did this with the
(13:39):
Broncos roster, and I just want to know, do you
see this with the article from yesterday that Moser brought
up the twenty five and under team that the Broncos
finished dead last on according to ESPN. Does that have
you concerned or you okay with all of this? So
(14:02):
we'll get there in a couple of minutes. Nelly back
at the backus in Shankers Studios, serious lawyers for the
seriously injured. We'll get to it next.
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Speaker 4 (14:29):
I got goosebumps when I heard that.
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Something about that voice, I'm telling especially like if you
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that's one voice I can't do. I can't do that one.
Do you think Westwood will let me do my Spanish guy?
As one of their promos that's the closest I can
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get to that again. I heard that guy was like
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Now I want to hear that again. Do it again,
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Oh yeah, remember what I said the other day that
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That guy, he sounds like there was a heater in
his mouth that he just took out. He was in
the middle of this little grungy dive bar, nothing but
neon lights took the cigarette out of his mouth. He's like,
you got a microphone, I'm ready.
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So here's what I wanted to get to age the
(16:15):
Broncos are not an old team, I don't think. But
at the same time, when ESPN yesterday had an article
of the top teams with young talent under the age
of twenty five, the Broncos were dead last on the list,
(16:38):
and I started looking through it, I was like, but
they don't have a lot of guys who are thirty
or older on this team. Yeah, that still doesn't mean
that the Broncos are old. So here's kind of where
this stacks up. If you want to put it just
to average age of NFL is by team. This is
(17:02):
what's pretty crazy. Did you know that? All right, hay
on four five, twenty seven of the NFL teams in
the league falls somewhere in the average age of twenty
five points something for starters. The starters on their team
(17:24):
are all around the age of twenty five. The Broncos,
by the way, when you break it down to average
age of a starter, are somewhere right in the middle.
So it looks like, hang on, let me do the
quick count one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven, twelve, thirteen. Okay,
(17:45):
so thirty two minus thirteen is nelly hit me nineteenth.
Speaker 5 (17:51):
Oh oh, you're you're asking me put me on the spot.
Speaker 4 (17:54):
Well, I just I don't want to be the only
guy doing math this morning. They're nineteenth in the NFL
and average age for their starter. They aren't an old team. Okay,
they aren't, But I guess what I didn't realize was
how quickly this was all shifting to everybody is going
(18:15):
pure youth movement. The only team that's the outlier really,
the Washington Commanders are by far the oldest team. Their
average age of a starter is twenty seven point one three.
The Steelers are second at twenty six point three seven,
so it's almost a full year older on average for
the Washington Commanders. The youngest team, by the way, is
(18:39):
the Green Bay Packers. They aren't even an average age
of twenty five yet. So again, the Broncos aren't old.
But here's the good thing about this. When you want
to be a contender, typically you can't have a team
(19:01):
that's super young. When you look at the teams that
are going to be competitive and trying to ue for
Super Bowls here, most of them are at the midway
point through the older half of where the league is.
The exceptions here the Eagles are super young they're like
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the third youngest team in the league. The Chiefs are
down there at like number eight. But you see up
at the top here, the Bills are right next to
the Broncos. The Lions are up near the top of
the oldest on the list. The Commanders, obviously made the
NFC Championship game, are the oldest. The Pittsburgh Steelers are
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the second oldest, The Niners are the third, the Houston
Texans are fifth. Like, when you're looking to compete for
Super Bowls, you're usually needing some sort of veteran presence
on that team. But especially in what we just talked
about in the first segment with Sean Payton, Sean Payton
has as you got to really earn it if you're
(20:04):
a rookie, the trust of the head coach. And I
just think he's not willing to throw that out there
and just be like, yeah, let's let's see what happens,
and if he makes a mistake, he makes a mistake.
He doesn't want mistakes, you know. I think it's a
major reason why Adrick Estimate just kind of disappeared last year.
He fumbled a couple of times and then he got
put into the I can't trust you pile and once
(20:25):
that happens, you're you find it really hard to break
your way out. So I don't think that the Broncos
and them being last on that list of blue chip
players under the age of twenty five, it's not a
big deal because most of their guys are like twenty five,
(20:47):
twenty six, twenty seven. And when you're in that boat,
you can roll with that for like four years, obviously
filling in the cracks in the holes as you go along,
but you're fine. You know where it is a concern
where you get too old. This blew me away when
I saw this yesterday. So we all feel really great
(21:10):
about the Nuggets offseason. We like what they've done. The
Nuggets are getting to be an older team now. You know,
Yoki is thirty and Jamal's in his upper twenties, and
your backups now were veterans in the league like Bruce
Brown and Tim Hardaway and Jonas Valanciunas. The average age
(21:36):
of a team that everybody thinks, not me, but everybody
else thinks will be a contender. Did you see the Clippers.
The average age of the Clippers is thirty three point
two years old. That surpassed the two thousand and two
thousand and one Utah Jazz for fielding the oldest team ever.
(21:58):
According to Tom Haberstrow and Dan Devine of Yahoo Sports,
that Jazz team, by the way, they had eight players
over the age of thirty. They won fifty three games,
but they were eliminated in the first round. Here's what
the Clippers lineup looks like. Chris Paul who's forty, James
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Harden who's thirty six, Nick Batoomb who's thirty six, Kawhi
who's thirty four, in Brook Lopezho's thirty seven. The team
that just won the title last year, the OKAC Thunder,
where young as hell. And I think there's a mix
that you need to find between veteran depth and veteran
(22:42):
players and then also younger guys because you just can't
tax people that age that often. It just typically doesn't
work that well, especially in the NBA. And so that's
what the Clippers are looking at right now, is an
average age of thirty three point two years old. So
(23:08):
three ZHO three five four nine two five. Nelly, I
had news yesterday and I've had a realization. I didn't
share it on the show but I had to because
I was like, am I You know when you get
frustrated during the course of a day and then you
take it out on somebody that probably doesn't deserve it.
(23:32):
I felt like I've been doing this for a couple
of years now. I've had this long standing feud with
one Tyler Kinley in the Rockies bullpen. And then I
started to realize, it's not his fault that a team
(23:54):
keeps trotting him out there to do poorly. It's their fault.
It's the team's fault for continuing to bring him back
and giving him playing time over others. Well, now that's
not a possibility. I'm actually shocked by this. I couldn't
believe the Rockies pulled off a move to trade Tyler
Kinley over to Atlanta and get something in return. I
(24:17):
thought it'd be one of those like cash considerations or
what do they say when it's a future prospect? What
do they call that a player to be named later
or something like that.
Speaker 5 (24:26):
Yeah, something weird in corporate sounding.
Speaker 4 (24:30):
I thought that's what the return would be, and it wasn't.
It's an actual guy. Now he's an eighteenth round pick
in twenty twenty one. And he's got a career ERA
of five across one hundred plus innings pitched that according
to Christian Says of the DNBR, But I don't care.
The fact that they got anything out of it is
remarkable because I didn't think it was even possible. Now,
(24:53):
I think that they have a few more moves that
they need to make. When you look around and you
see guys like Jake Bird, who's decided, hey, it's around
the trade. De all have an ERA of a billion,
like that's gonna make it a little bit more difficult
than earlier in the year. But I think there is him.
You could look at guys like Halverson or Vodnik or Agnos,
(25:15):
You could look at guys like Freeland, Marquez, Senzeitela, Gomber, whoever.
I just think it should be time just to offload
some dudes and just see what happens. You know, I'm
kind of iffy on the Halverson and Vodnik stuff because
those guys are under team control for a long time
and they got good stuff. But you could, potentially, like feasibly,
(25:42):
the Rockies could trade about six more guys, and I
think any all of that would be great. Now, will they?
I don't know. They've been typically quiet near the deadline,
but they've made a couple of moves already, so at
least I'm a little hopeful towards it. Going back to
(26:03):
the running backs, I think they're gonna have my focus.
They're gonna be the thing I watched the most, you know,
I want to see in I have seen between JK.
Dobbins and R J. Harvey a different level of explosiveness
than was here last year. But the Jaleel in audric
(26:24):
Estimate stuff is really fascinating. I didn't see audric Estimate
getting a lot of run with the ones the other day.
I saw a lot of JK. I saw a lot
of RJ. Harvey obviously, and a lot of Jaliel was
being mixed in. And I think if you had to
bet right now, just a few days in the camp
before any preseason games, you're gonna find a pretty difficult
(26:48):
way of audrict Estima making the team. It feels like
he's on the outside looking in right now. Now doesn't
mean it can't change, doesn't mean I'm right. I'm just
kind of judging off of who's getting reps and who's not.
But you just really need some sort of dynamic playmaker
in the backfield, and I think they've got it. I've
(27:09):
been so impressed with RJ. Harvey and just his ability
to put his foot in the ground and I mean,
hall ass up field. It's one of those noticeable things
on how different it looks like, it looks sort of
not sort of, it looks NFL level. And the great
(27:30):
thing about running backs is that they can do that
immediately out of the gates once they get on the
football field. In the NFL, there isn't really a learning
curve outside of some pass protection stuff. But when you're
talking about pure running, they run. Think about I challenge
you in fact textures if you got a name that
(27:52):
I'm not thinking of, I would love to hear it.
But help me. Can you think of a running back
who didn't have a good rookie year in the NFL
and and became good. It just doesn't happen. It's it's
just once you get in the league, your prime starts immediately.
(28:17):
Because once you're running back and you're looking for that
second contract, everybody kind of looks at you like, yeah,
I think that you're about three more snaps away from
not being able to run anymore, a leg's gonna blow up,
or there's just gonna be too many miles on the
tires and you just can't do it. You know, we
all talk about in the MLB a pitcher who is
(28:41):
on a pitch count. You don't want to overtax them
because you don't want to do the arm thing and
you don't have him going through Tommy John And then
people are like, well, what happened back in the day.
Nolan Ryan used to pitch all the time, and Bob
Gibson used to throw complete games every other day, So
what's different? And the answer is, I don't know. But
you can have that same sort of discussion with running backs.
(29:04):
Remember running backs used to be guys in this league
that they would be here for like twelve years if
you were good. Remember remember your emmittt Smith's and Barry
Sanders and all these different dudes. As long as back
in that day they didn't have a major injury, they'd
(29:24):
be on the field forever. The latest example is Frank Gore.
Frank Gore played for like fourteen years and was still
productive for pretty much all of them. But there is
something that when you talk about guys at that position
(29:44):
and how quickly they kind of break down. It is
a very interesting watch. Todd Gurley was on top of
the world and he was out of the league at
twenty six. The texture gives a good example here. I
was looking for a running back that wasn't good in
year one and sort of popped off in year two.
(30:05):
Well guess what Arian Foster. Now, he only played in
six games in his rookie year, but he had fifty
four carries for two hundred and fifty seven yards. The
next year he ran for sixteen hundred. Now was that
an injury? Is that why he missed his rookie year
(30:25):
because he was productive? He averaged four point eight yards
per carry. Now, if it is an injury, it doesn't count.
If not, that's a really good pull. But outside of that,
it's just like these guys, if they step on the field,
they should be able to play immediately, and if they can't,
there isn't There isn't sort of incubating a running back
and making sure that he starts to get it. You know,
(30:48):
I was talking about this with Berto last week. But
there's a couple of positions in football that there's a
lot of them, actually, but there's a couple that really
takes time for you to understand. Quarterback is obviously one.
Cornerback is super difficult to get when you first step
in the league because you have so many more responsibilities
than you did in college. But there's some positions like
(31:11):
running back, wide receiver, edge rusher that when you step
in the league you should just be able to be productive.
And I'm not saying be at your peak because you're
going to continue to learn and grow as a player.
You know, TJ. Watt or Miles Garrett, they weren't. They
weren't the peak forms of themselves or rookie seasons, but
the point was you watch them and we're like, yeah,
they can play very quickly. You can do that, and
(31:36):
the good news is in at least a few days
of camp, I've noticed some of that with RJ. Harvey
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(32:22):
and boxer briefs. Is what it looks like. I don't
know what those pants are. There are things I could
not wear, is the way I would put it. A tradition,
unlike any other. They gotta sign him to a lifetime contract.
Just if I'm gonna be out here every morning, I
need like one. We don't see anybody until like nine
thirty when the show's almost done. This is our only
(32:44):
sort of like preview to what we're gonna get for
the rest of the day. But again, Brandon Jones doing
his laps around the field. I might have to start this,
this not started, but join this barfoot trend. I think
I'm gonna have to. But it feels like to be
really cold on my toes today, A little brisk this morning. Soft, Yeah,
(33:08):
I am soft. Do you think that he has like
what if it's what if it's like thirty five degrees
in the morning, Do you think he's still barefoot out here?
You do he just he's just tougher than I am.
I mean, well, that's obvious. I understand that. Now. I
am a baby when it comes to the cold, I
really am. But there you go. You're six forty five
(33:29):
update Brandon Jones doing walks around the stadium and he's
heading in to the locker room right now. I'm glad
we got that. I was yelling during the break, spititaro,
spit it out. We need to get the cupid shuffle in.
Speaker 5 (33:42):
And you actually when you said spit it out, you
gave me a couple of these.
Speaker 4 (33:45):
Dude, Yeah, I did spit spit it out. Hey, do
you guys remember when Josh McDaniels was here? There is
hang on? Actually I didn't know that there was audio
to this, Nelly. I'm gonna send this to you because
I want to hear it. Davante Adams, remember he played
(34:09):
for Vegas the last couple of years. He did so
with Jimmy Garoppolo and Josh McDaniels. He didn't like it there.
I don't think many did, and so they they confused
(34:29):
that we confuse that with Davante Adams doesn't like Jimmy
Garoppolo and he was asked this. This is on ESPN
Los Angeles. At training camp. They were kind of asked
about him reuniting with Jimmy Garoppolo because now Jimmy is
the backup to Matthew Stafford on the Rams and how
(34:50):
he feels about it. Now, I don't think there's there's
nobody in football more happy than the guy who leaves
Josh McDaniel's team. That's been a tried and true fact
for like a decade and a half. No matter what
happens with Josh McDaniel's, the second you leave, there's nobody
happier than the guy who just bounces out of that place.
But Nelly, let me know when you're ready to play
(35:12):
this audio. Davante Adams was like, Hey, you're with Jimmy
Garoppolo again. You guys, it felt like your relationship wasn't
all that great in Vegas. If you remember, there was
was it the Quarterback Series or it was something where
Davante was miked up and he just got lit up
(35:33):
over the middle and he's he said to his teammates
on the sideline, somebody's got to get me the bleep
out of here. Midgame. He said that, But here's what
he told ESPN LA.
Speaker 7 (35:44):
It's amazing. I love Jimmy and it was never a
personal thing, and I was hoping we didn't have to
have these kind of surprises. This is the first time
he's been brought up, but it's been amazing. We got to,
you know, catch up and get on the right page.
And obviously that was just a dark moment in all
of our live I think all of us were pretty missed.
Speaker 5 (36:03):
And my video froze. But I think you got the point.
And also to your to your previous question, I think
it was there was a series called Receiver.
Speaker 4 (36:11):
It was a receiver.
Speaker 5 (36:12):
That's y quarterback went away for a season and it
was receiver. And this was when he was on the
sideline saying like I'm getting bleep and killed out here. Ray,
He's got to get me out of here.
Speaker 4 (36:22):
I mean, he said, imagine somebody saying this about you. Okay,
you're in charge of a business. That's what that coach does.
And somebody who worked for you in that business leaves
to go somewhere else is incredibly happy. You know what
that happens. Sometimes you don't like one job, you like another,
(36:42):
but other people might like that job. But they say
it was a dark time in all of our lives
where we were miserable. And it happens multiple times. Somebody
explain what you have to do and who you have
(37:03):
to be to have everyone seemingly that you worked for
say that, I have worked at jobs that I did
not like. I have worked for people I did not like.
I've never seen universal bleep that guy energy than what
(37:23):
people have for Josh McDaniels.
Speaker 5 (37:25):
Never seen it, and yet he still keeps getting jobs.
Speaker 4 (37:30):
Well, I was just wondering where's he at now?
Speaker 5 (37:32):
Is he back with the Patriots? Isn't either offensive coordinator
under Vrabel?
Speaker 4 (37:37):
Mate? Oh man, you're right. Vrabel hired him back. So
here's what his career looks like, just so you guys
are aware. He was a grad assistant at Michigan State
in nineteen ninety nine. Then he's with the Patriots in
various roles up until two thousand and eight. He then
(37:58):
took the Broncos head coaching gig. He was the offensive
coordinator in quarterbacks coach for a year in Saint Louis.
After that, he then went back to the Patriots to
be the OC and quarterbacks coach for the next ten years.
He then was the coach of the Raiders for two
and then he went back to New England this year.
(38:19):
I need to figure out what the hell's going on here? Like,
how can you be someone that is this universally disliked?
How is that possible? I mean it's you don't have
to be a player's coach. Okay, you don't have to
be that. There are guys that will get on their players.
(38:42):
There are guys that will treat this as a more
i'm the boss, you're the employee sort of relationship, as
opposed to seeing yourselves as equals. Plenty have done that
in the past, but to have universally it feels like
people hating you is such a hard thing to you.
I almost think is that harder than having everybody like you?
(39:08):
I mean, I guess not. There's people that have been
widely hated. I think it's easier. I don't know if
Jesse likes me or not, but I could make Jesse
not like me in a hurry. Making somebody like you,
I guess, is a little bit harder. It's up four eyes.
You just start throwing that stuff out there. I mean,
(39:31):
you do that enough, they'll start to hate you. But
I'm just like, it's c crazy that Josh McDaniels and
it's only this, Like if he didn't have what if
the NFL made a rule and said, Josh McDaniels, sorry,
but you are not allowed to work for the Patriots anymore?
(39:56):
Would he be hired by somebody else? Oh?
Speaker 5 (39:58):
No, I was gonna say he must have some blackmail
on Robert Kraft or something, But that guy, I think
everybody has blackmail on that guy. I think his private
life hasn't been that private for a while, but I
and it seems like he's disliked in a different way
because there are there are head coaches that are absolute
(40:18):
a holes, but they get results right, like Belichick And
maybe that's just their public facing persona guys like Nick
Saban and Bill Belichick and Gregovich.
Speaker 4 (40:28):
I think one exists here, Like I think the persona
he puts out publicly versus the relationship that John Payton
has with his players is completely different. Like was it?
Speaker 5 (40:36):
I don't think it was hard knocks? But do you
remember there was that video where Randy Moss convinced Bill
Belichick to show up to his Halloween party and Belichick
actually showed up Yeah, so maybe the difference is some
of these guys that are mean to the media and
publicly and in practice behind the scenes, they're nicer, so
that's how they can get away with it. I don't
understand what the difference is with Josh McDaniels, because he
(40:58):
is hated on another that goes beyond all of these guys.
Speaker 4 (41:03):
Well, and he had thank you textus for reminding me
that he took the Colts head coaching job, and then
like a couple days later said no, thank you, remember that.
Speaker 5 (41:12):
I'd forgotten about that. That's right.
Speaker 4 (41:15):
And he didn't just back out of that to take
another head coaching gig. He backed out of it to
go back to the Patriots. That was bizarre, But yeah,
I was looking through like his resume, he's only been
outside of his head coaching stints here and then in Vegas.
(41:37):
He spent one year in Saint Louis with the Rams
in twenty eleven as their OC and that's the only
time he's had a gig outside of outside of New England. Gosh,
that's crazy.
Speaker 5 (41:51):
That's one of my favorite traditions. By the way, whenever
d mack and Scotty bring up Josh McDaniels and they
get Tyler Columbus to tell Mickdill. Yeah, oh my, I
think he's just making that stuff up, like some of
those stories can't be real. That can't be a real person.
That's crazy.
Speaker 4 (42:07):
I think we have enough evidence now to prove it's
very real, very.
Speaker 5 (42:12):
Hard to believe that he's actually that that prickly and
stupid behind the scenes.
Speaker 4 (42:17):
I don't even know if it's prickly is the right word.
I think you might have added a couple other letters
that you shouldn't know. Uh, we're out of here. Broncos
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(42:40):
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at the beginning in just a few minutes. Reminder that
Jeff Laywald is going to join us right here at
the desk today get his early thoughts on what's going
on at training camp as the Broncos get ready for
(43:05):
next week first pre preseason game, but the Hall of
Fame game starts tonight. Football's back, baby. Most of embarding
came next.
Speaker 2 (43:12):
You're fat guy, like, go, worry about that.
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