November 11, 2024 • 19 mins
This episode is released after the 2024 Presidential election, during which many popular astrologers inaccurately predicted the initial outcome. This begs a very good question: Should astrology be used as a predictive tool for the future. Or better asked, "can" astrology predict outcomes of events, or is there free will and free choice? Judi and Thomas explore this with perhaps some surprising observations.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
The following episode does not constitute medical advice, and it
is for informational and entertainment purposes only. It's like GPS
for your life. The sky Vibe Show authentic practical astrology
in easy to understand terms with your host Judy Diamond
and professional astrologer Thomas Miller. It is the sky Vibe Show.
And this is going to be me doing a disclaimer
(00:21):
for myself. I am not getting political. Nobody has to
know how I voted. That's right, they again with professional
astrologer Thomas Miller. I say that because there are a
lot of professional astrologers right now that are I think
the word that you like to use is eating.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Crow, eating some crow.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, And so my question and a lot of people
who listen to the show or know me, they go, well,
so many they said Harris was going to win and
she didn't win, So astrology, m you know what am
I supposed to say to that.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
There's a website called skyscript dot co dot UK. Now
this is a British website. Obviously, this guy for the
last three elections has done a great job of tracking
public astrologers who say this person or that person is
going to win and he published the list and about
(01:14):
at least twice as big for people who predicted Harris
as people who predicted Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But here's then, if that's true, why what are we
doing this for?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, let's just fold the podcast up right here, We're done.
We're pulling the plug, I mean really, all right, here's
another interesting tidbit thing. So I'm narrating this book for
a guy by the name of Ray Merriman, and Ray
is in his upper seventies, approaching eighty. This is his
forty ninth annual almanac of astrology, and he looks at
(01:45):
it from the perspective of the markets. So this guy
started writing this in nineteen seventy five. Wow, he does
a history of almanacs in astrology. They first began in
the sixteen hundreds, and one of the reasons they faded out,
And one of the reasons why it fizzled out or
failed in the sixteen hundreds was that astrologers could not
(02:08):
agree on the structure of the next upcoming eclipse, solar eclipse.
They couldn't determine if it was partial or full. And
the audience basically said, well, if you guys can't figure
it out, how are you going to tell us about
it and ana same kind of question, exactly the same
thing they got repopularized with Benjamin Franklin and his Almanac,
(02:33):
but then kind of went back silent again. And now
Ray has been doing this kind of as a lone
ranger basically for the last almost fifty years. I had
the other opportunity to narrate some audio books for one
of the world's premiere astrologers, Stephen.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Forrest, Great astrologer.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
He has a very definitive position about predicting and using
astrology for predictions forecasting, and that is basically that we
astrologers should not be doing it. And for this exact reason.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Then what's the point.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, as Steve says, probabilities, how he describes it as
perfect if you hold a coin up, If I held
a coin up in front of you, You're looking at
one side of the coin. I'm looking at the other
side of the coin. We both see it from different perspectives.
But there's two sides of the coin. And the problem
(03:31):
with predictions is people gravitate to or they land upon
one side of that coin forgetting that there's two sides
of the coin. And I've just for a guy that's
been also doing this since the nineteen seventies. Steve I
just took that as good wisdom and realized that the
(03:52):
tool here is not for hocus pocus predictions. For this
very reason. Now, one of the biggest things that I've
seen on Twitter, and it seems that I know, you
look at a lot of astrology on TikTok, right, yes,
a lot, and there are a lot of astrologers over
on Instagram, but it seems to me that the like
(04:14):
the serious teaching astrologers who are at the top of
the field are on Twitter, and the biggest confession that
everybody is making is that they allowed their personal bias
to creep into their interpretation.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And that's so easy to have happen, right, right, So
I don't do I mean, we'll look at things from
and people ask horrorory questions. Well, that's a whole different thing.
But you can't ask in that style of astrology about
who's going to win the presidency because there's not a
direct personal attachment to the outcome.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Or rare you could find your lost keys.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, you can do a lot with it, a ton
with it, but.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But yeah, that's a little bit bigger than.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You have to be directly involved. In other words, is
my wife cheating on me? Is a question that it
can answer. Who's going to win the presidency is not.
Who's going to win the ballgame is not.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And I would think that a really good professional astrologer,
if somebody did come to them and say is my
husband cheating or not, would give them the probabilities and
not say yes or no.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Exactly yes, because there's two sides to that coin, right.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
There is his size.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So let's don't think of using this as some kind
of as people say, tool of divination, and of course
that gets people.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Or fortunately telling. Yeah, it's not fortune telling.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's not at all. It's not at all. In fact,
some of the things that I've been recording on our
Old Soul New Soul with Robert Glascock lately, we've been
talking about some stuff in the latest episodes there that
will just knock your socks off, and none of it's interpretive.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So if you're interested by the way, it's Old Soul
noosel It's when I first heard Thomas and Robert. Oh
wow podcast, cool awesome. Well, we've been subconscious mind mastery.
It wasn't until later I found fun Astrology.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, I'm glad you found them all, and now we
have another one.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
This, yes, we do, and this one is more for
the five five year old fifth grader like me who
is a couch potato astrologer fanatic. I'm not an astrologer,
just trying to break it down for everybody to understand.
This is a great tool.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It's a great tool. It can show you so much
about yourself that I'm sorry that this other piece of
it keeps coming in. But look, if we had people
in the sixteen hundreds misusing it, if we had people
in the modern era not applying it right and having
to apologize for not getting the presidential election accurate. Now, look,
(06:53):
I've got to say as an astrologer, obviously, I looked
at a collection of charts. I looked at I'amala Harris's chart,
Donald Trump's chart, the United States chart from July fourth,
seventeen seventy six. I looked at all this, and for me,
it looked like a toss up. That's what the polls indicated.
I just didn't go any further with it. I was like,
(07:15):
why dig into this now? Robert, who I do that
other podcast with he looked at the twenty sixteen election
and he saw that Trump was going to win. And
the reason is because he had more favorable positions related
to his chart and his chart related to the United
(07:35):
States chart. So you have to put a lot together
to try to make such a statement. And then he
could clearly see that the wheels would kind of come
off of Donald Trump's bus beginning in it sometime around
twenty twenty. And that's exactly when all this, you know,
you know what happened, right everything? Yeah, and then after
that the charges and everything. So I mean it definitely
(07:57):
things shifted for him. And there were positive signs in
the sky and in the charts for Donald Trump this time,
but they were also positive for Kamala Harris and there
were negative challenges on Trump's side. So see, the coin
had two sides, and both sides were really strong for both.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And one of the things that I want to point
out about for me astrology about not being fortune teller,
but how I use it. I use it a lot
of times with my gut. For example, I'm having a
gut feeling about whether or not I should take a job.
Should I take this job and move out of town
or not you know what, I'm torn. I'm torn. Let
me let me just see how the sky is. Let's
(08:35):
see what the GPS for that is. And I'll even
do tarot too. Yeah, great cartography, astra cartography. I'll look
at all that, and it's very helpful that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And you're asking for guidance, not you know, an A
or b outcome. There was a guy he was named,
was kind of a long India named Parmahansa Yogananda. God
bless you he would, You're welcome, thank you, I'm sorry,
clean the microphone off here. He was the guy that
brought yoga to the United States back in the nineteen sixties.
(09:07):
If you've been in a yoga class, you owe it
to Parmahansa Yogananda. He was a phenomenal teacher. In fact,
when he died in Los Angeles, they had appointed a
new ambassador from India to the United States, and the
ambassador was his first trip to the United States. He
came to Los Angeles to see Parmahansa Yogananda. Yogananda was
(09:28):
sixty four sixty five. He got up, gave a speech,
stepped off the platform, and had an aneurysm and died.
In front of the crowd. Wow, his mission was over.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Wow, and like that.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
He had incredible control. Well, he said, and he was
a practicing astrologer. I mean it was one of the
first things he learned in India. And he said, you
give me the worst possible time based on astrology to
start something new, and I will start that thing and
it will be successful.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I love. I'm kind of like that naturally. The minute
somebody says no, you can't do it, Judy, I'm like, yeah,
bring it off.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I love that he understood the two sides of the coin, right.
He said, Okay, there might be some headwind to my
little project, but I'll just dig in harder.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah. I love that. You know, it's funny. I will
say one on a side note, just so you know,
my dad is from the UK. My dad was in
the United He was born in nineteen thirty something whatever.
So think about this. He's on the r FT I
don't know, some kind of an army type Air force
ship thing that they do, right, and he was he volunteer.
(10:35):
He's on there and he found from a magazine a
thing about yoga. He started doing yoga. He's eighty nineteen
years old. He's sitting there by his bunk doing yoga,
and at first all the guys, of course whatever it's called,
the Air Force of Britain, we're all making fun of him,
and he ignored them. He was following this and he
would have had this little subscription. He was doing yoga
(10:58):
before anybody knew what it was. Eventually they let him go.
It's just all of that. He's doing yoga. Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, no, that's seriously, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean I didn't even know the Brits knew yoga,
so they had it before we did.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, that would make sense because yes, exactly there you go, right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's the connection. I thought that was a fascinating I
just found that out. I thought it was a really
fascinating story.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, yoga Nanda was an amazing man. But the point
is that there are a lot of us out there
who did not make predictions publicly about this election. I'm
glad that I'm not on either side of.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That list, because you're too smart.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, I don't know, well and not that. When you
know what I did look at it just looked as
very clearly a toss up and just understanding exactly what
we're talking about that this is really going to be
left with the people. There is no oh, the sky determined,
(11:55):
So I really shouldn't have even gone to vote. Ridiculous,
that's ridiculous. It was in your hands and the people chose. Now,
obviously the next question is can they will they deliver?
What will happen?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I say, now, it's like, okay, look, if you're not
whatever side you're on, the popular vote is the popular vote.
Now let's see what's proven to as a people us
prove it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But I'll tell you something interesting here that does work
in astrology. Everything in astrology has a point of origination.
That's why we call it a birth chart, because the
origination of you was the day that you were born,
and that's a marker in the sky that stays with
you for your entire life. Well, countries have points of origination,
(12:43):
Companies have points of origination. So the point of origination
for the Trump presidency will be on January twentieth, twenty
twenty five, at high noon in Washington, DC. So we
can cast a chart for that and take a look
at some of the probabilities around what this administration might
(13:04):
look like. Because basically, that moment in the sky is
the birth of the Trump to presidential term interesting, And
as we look at that birth chart of the Trump presidency,
it truly looks like there are just about as many
challenges as opportunities. So in the real world, you realize
(13:25):
when you look at something like this that really what
the sky is showing is exactly the way it is.
He's going to face a headwind even in his own
Congress because there are a lot of leaders in Congress
who don't like him. There's a lot of public reaction,
there are going to be reactions from governors, so the
whole thing. And yet there are some really positive aspects
(13:46):
in here that means that he might get some of
this stuff done. And there is some karma stuff in here.
There are a lot of planets in pisces, and that's
kind of, you know, the spiritual thing, right, And that's
one of the things that I guess that where I'm
hanging my hat on this and I probably would go
down with a prediction or at least a now let's
(14:09):
say an observational probability. A lot of people for a
lot of years have been looking ahead to some kind
of spiritual shift on Earth, not just the United States, but.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Certainly within themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
First, Oh yeah, it always has to start there, right,
But certainly if it happened in this country, it would
be prominent in the world. It would be recognized that
I'm just scratching my head and tilting my eyebrow a
little bit to say, could this be the beginning of
such a spiritual renewal in this country?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Wouldn't that be wonderful? And I know based on one religion.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
No or one party or one person, it's not it
that shove all of that aside. See, And that's what
I'm saying, is what happened in the country. I on
a to goodness, never thought I would see a Republican
sweep again. I just felt that the age demographic, the
nationality demographic, everything has changed over these last twenty years,
(15:11):
and I never thought we would see what we just saw.
I truly never did.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It is history made. I mean, when you think about it,
I think that again, no matter what, And I am
not saying what side I'm on, Obviously, I have friends
equally on both sides that are very very adamant. You know,
I think the most important thing is if you were
on the democratic side, the liberal side, to take a
(15:39):
deep breath and try to work with everyone, be collective
and love and give them a chance. If you are
on the conservative side, I'd say, please stop boasting, bragging
and prove it. And I mean that in love for
both sides.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So well said, thank you, And that's exactly why I'm hanging.
I had on this nail. Forget about the politics. Are
we on the cusp or the brink of a spiritual
renewal in this country? And if we are, then I
would love to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I feel humbled and lucky to be in this vessel
right now because I think we are, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And doing things like this where we can reframe things
a little bit to say politics, ho hum, it's going
to be like it always has been. I mean, everybody
applauds these people who are corrupt. Just I don't understand it.
But wait a minute, whoa, whoa. Let's get over the
fence from all of that and let's, as you said,
(16:40):
on the side that is not going to be sworn
in on January twentieth, don't let it be that big
of a deal. If you are on the side that
is going to be sworn in, don't let that be
that big of a deal. Let's focus on something higher,
and let's focus on something that would truly impact the
world in a great and positive way. And that's a
spirit virtual change in the hearts of people. All right,
(17:03):
let me tell you just you know, this is where
I put my little radar up. I've got a friend
who I grew up with, who made a really bad
decision a couple of years ago, and he is sitting
in an orange jumpsuit in a state prison right now
we talk. I'm doing my good Samaritan duty of not
judging him for for a bad choice. Have I ever
(17:23):
not made a bad choice? I've made a bunch of
you know, it's like, and he has needs, and I
am in a sense ministering to him to get through
these several next years ahead. He said that out of
eighty people in his little part of the area, there
were six. I think he said that we're getting together
(17:44):
for some kind of spiritual service. Now that's almost twenty.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What happened.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's true. Rehabilitation is what that is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Nothing changed. What happened. See, this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's the domino effect of love and spirituality and you know,
giving it up to a higher power within you, just.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Like what happened with this election. It came out of
nowhere and it catches fire, and that's what these things do.
So to me, that's the bigger picture here, far bigger
than politics.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Absolutely absolutely, So it's a real simple thing, l Ovee.
It doesn't cost you anything, doesn't. I mean, we're talking
something that is as simple as loving your neighbors, yourself,
loving the person checking out your groceries regardless. So again
I knew all this ahead of time before I asked
(18:36):
you the question about why can't astrology predict? But I
wanted you to say it to where people really understood. Thomas.
I thought you did it beautifully.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, thank you. Just not a wise thing to do,
not a good use of what this is. Can you
interpret it that way, Yes, But one of the biggest
problems right off the bat is your bias, even your
astrological training bias, is going to come in to what
you say, and that's just not the best way to
use this at all.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
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And thank you
The following episode does not constitute medical advice, and it
is for informational and entertainment purposes only. It's like GPS
for your life. The sky Vibe Show authentic practical astrology
in easy to understand terms with your host Judy Diamond
and professional astrologer Thomas Miller. It is the sky Vibe Show.
And this is going to be me doing a disclaimer
(00:21):
for myself. I am not getting political. Nobody has to
know how I voted. That's right, they again with professional
astrologer Thomas Miller. I say that because there are a
lot of professional astrologers right now that are I think
the word that you like to use is eating.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Crow, eating some crow.
Speaker 1 (00:41):
Yes, And so my question and a lot of people
who listen to the show or know me, they go, well,
so many they said Harris was going to win and
she didn't win, So astrology, m you know what am
I supposed to say to that.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
There's a website called skyscript dot co dot UK. Now
this is a British website. Obviously, this guy for the
last three elections has done a great job of tracking
public astrologers who say this person or that person is
going to win and he published the list and about
(01:14):
at least twice as big for people who predicted Harris
as people who predicted Trump.
Speaker 1 (01:20):
But here's then, if that's true, why what are we
doing this for?
Speaker 2 (01:23):
Well, let's just fold the podcast up right here, We're done.
We're pulling the plug, I mean really, all right, here's
another interesting tidbit thing. So I'm narrating this book for
a guy by the name of Ray Merriman, and Ray
is in his upper seventies, approaching eighty. This is his
forty ninth annual almanac of astrology, and he looks at
(01:45):
it from the perspective of the markets. So this guy
started writing this in nineteen seventy five. Wow, he does
a history of almanacs in astrology. They first began in
the sixteen hundreds, and one of the reasons they faded out,
And one of the reasons why it fizzled out or
failed in the sixteen hundreds was that astrologers could not
(02:08):
agree on the structure of the next upcoming eclipse, solar eclipse.
They couldn't determine if it was partial or full. And
the audience basically said, well, if you guys can't figure
it out, how are you going to tell us about
it and ana same kind of question, exactly the same
thing they got repopularized with Benjamin Franklin and his Almanac,
(02:33):
but then kind of went back silent again. And now
Ray has been doing this kind of as a lone
ranger basically for the last almost fifty years. I had
the other opportunity to narrate some audio books for one
of the world's premiere astrologers, Stephen.
Speaker 1 (02:49):
Forrest, Great astrologer.
Speaker 2 (02:51):
He has a very definitive position about predicting and using
astrology for predictions forecasting, and that is basically that we
astrologers should not be doing it. And for this exact reason.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
Then what's the point.
Speaker 2 (03:09):
Well, as Steve says, probabilities, how he describes it as
perfect if you hold a coin up, If I held
a coin up in front of you, You're looking at
one side of the coin. I'm looking at the other
side of the coin. We both see it from different perspectives.
But there's two sides of the coin. And the problem
(03:31):
with predictions is people gravitate to or they land upon
one side of that coin forgetting that there's two sides
of the coin. And I've just for a guy that's
been also doing this since the nineteen seventies. Steve I
just took that as good wisdom and realized that the
(03:52):
tool here is not for hocus pocus predictions. For this
very reason. Now, one of the biggest things that I've
seen on Twitter, and it seems that I know, you
look at a lot of astrology on TikTok, right, yes,
a lot, and there are a lot of astrologers over
on Instagram, but it seems to me that the like
(04:14):
the serious teaching astrologers who are at the top of
the field are on Twitter, and the biggest confession that
everybody is making is that they allowed their personal bias
to creep into their interpretation.
Speaker 1 (04:29):
That makes more sense.
Speaker 2 (04:30):
And that's so easy to have happen, right, right, So
I don't do I mean, we'll look at things from
and people ask horrorory questions. Well, that's a whole different thing.
But you can't ask in that style of astrology about
who's going to win the presidency because there's not a
direct personal attachment to the outcome.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
Or rare you could find your lost keys.
Speaker 2 (04:54):
Yeah, you can do a lot with it, a ton
with it, but.
Speaker 1 (04:58):
But yeah, that's a little bit bigger than.
Speaker 2 (05:00):
You have to be directly involved. In other words, is
my wife cheating on me? Is a question that it
can answer. Who's going to win the presidency is not.
Who's going to win the ballgame is not.
Speaker 1 (05:14):
And I would think that a really good professional astrologer,
if somebody did come to them and say is my
husband cheating or not, would give them the probabilities and
not say yes or no.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Exactly yes, because there's two sides to that coin, right.
Speaker 1 (05:28):
There is his size.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
So let's don't think of using this as some kind
of as people say, tool of divination, and of course
that gets people.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
Or fortunately telling. Yeah, it's not fortune telling.
Speaker 2 (05:41):
It's not at all. It's not at all. In fact,
some of the things that I've been recording on our
Old Soul New Soul with Robert Glascock lately, we've been
talking about some stuff in the latest episodes there that
will just knock your socks off, and none of it's interpretive.
Speaker 1 (05:58):
So if you're interested by the way, it's Old Soul
noosel It's when I first heard Thomas and Robert. Oh
wow podcast, cool awesome. Well, we've been subconscious mind mastery.
It wasn't until later I found fun Astrology.
Speaker 2 (06:10):
Well, I'm glad you found them all, and now we
have another one.
Speaker 1 (06:14):
This, yes, we do, and this one is more for
the five five year old fifth grader like me who
is a couch potato astrologer fanatic. I'm not an astrologer,
just trying to break it down for everybody to understand.
This is a great tool.
Speaker 2 (06:30):
It's a great tool. It can show you so much
about yourself that I'm sorry that this other piece of
it keeps coming in. But look, if we had people
in the sixteen hundreds misusing it, if we had people
in the modern era not applying it right and having
to apologize for not getting the presidential election accurate. Now, look,
(06:53):
I've got to say as an astrologer, obviously, I looked
at a collection of charts. I looked at I'amala Harris's chart,
Donald Trump's chart, the United States chart from July fourth,
seventeen seventy six. I looked at all this, and for me,
it looked like a toss up. That's what the polls indicated.
I just didn't go any further with it. I was like,
(07:15):
why dig into this now? Robert, who I do that
other podcast with he looked at the twenty sixteen election
and he saw that Trump was going to win. And
the reason is because he had more favorable positions related
to his chart and his chart related to the United
(07:35):
States chart. So you have to put a lot together
to try to make such a statement. And then he
could clearly see that the wheels would kind of come
off of Donald Trump's bus beginning in it sometime around
twenty twenty. And that's exactly when all this, you know,
you know what happened, right everything? Yeah, and then after
that the charges and everything. So I mean it definitely
(07:57):
things shifted for him. And there were positive signs in
the sky and in the charts for Donald Trump this time,
but they were also positive for Kamala Harris and there
were negative challenges on Trump's side. So see, the coin
had two sides, and both sides were really strong for both.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
And one of the things that I want to point
out about for me astrology about not being fortune teller,
but how I use it. I use it a lot
of times with my gut. For example, I'm having a
gut feeling about whether or not I should take a job.
Should I take this job and move out of town
or not you know what, I'm torn. I'm torn. Let
me let me just see how the sky is. Let's
(08:35):
see what the GPS for that is. And I'll even
do tarot too. Yeah, great cartography, astra cartography. I'll look
at all that, and it's very helpful that.
Speaker 2 (08:46):
And you're asking for guidance, not you know, an A
or b outcome. There was a guy he was named,
was kind of a long India named Parmahansa Yogananda. God
bless you he would, You're welcome, thank you, I'm sorry,
clean the microphone off here. He was the guy that
brought yoga to the United States back in the nineteen sixties.
(09:07):
If you've been in a yoga class, you owe it
to Parmahansa Yogananda. He was a phenomenal teacher. In fact,
when he died in Los Angeles, they had appointed a
new ambassador from India to the United States, and the
ambassador was his first trip to the United States. He
came to Los Angeles to see Parmahansa Yogananda. Yogananda was
(09:28):
sixty four sixty five. He got up, gave a speech,
stepped off the platform, and had an aneurysm and died.
In front of the crowd. Wow, his mission was over.
Speaker 1 (09:39):
Wow, and like that.
Speaker 2 (09:41):
He had incredible control. Well, he said, and he was
a practicing astrologer. I mean it was one of the
first things he learned in India. And he said, you
give me the worst possible time based on astrology to
start something new, and I will start that thing and
it will be successful.
Speaker 1 (09:59):
I love. I'm kind of like that naturally. The minute
somebody says no, you can't do it, Judy, I'm like, yeah,
bring it off.
Speaker 2 (10:06):
I love that he understood the two sides of the coin, right.
He said, Okay, there might be some headwind to my
little project, but I'll just dig in harder.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Yeah. I love that. You know, it's funny. I will
say one on a side note, just so you know,
my dad is from the UK. My dad was in
the United He was born in nineteen thirty something whatever.
So think about this. He's on the r FT I
don't know, some kind of an army type Air force
ship thing that they do, right, and he was he volunteer.
(10:35):
He's on there and he found from a magazine a
thing about yoga. He started doing yoga. He's eighty nineteen
years old. He's sitting there by his bunk doing yoga,
and at first all the guys, of course whatever it's called,
the Air Force of Britain, we're all making fun of him,
and he ignored them. He was following this and he
would have had this little subscription. He was doing yoga
(10:58):
before anybody knew what it was. Eventually they let him go.
It's just all of that. He's doing yoga. Yeah, imagine that.
Speaker 2 (11:05):
Yeah, no, that's seriously, that's cool.
Speaker 1 (11:08):
I mean I didn't even know the Brits knew yoga,
so they had it before we did.
Speaker 2 (11:12):
Well, that would make sense because yes, exactly there you go, right.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
That's the connection. I thought that was a fascinating I
just found that out. I thought it was a really
fascinating story.
Speaker 2 (11:20):
Yeah, yoga Nanda was an amazing man. But the point
is that there are a lot of us out there
who did not make predictions publicly about this election. I'm
glad that I'm not on either side of.
Speaker 1 (11:32):
That list, because you're too smart.
Speaker 2 (11:34):
Well, I don't know, well and not that. When you
know what I did look at it just looked as
very clearly a toss up and just understanding exactly what
we're talking about that this is really going to be
left with the people. There is no oh, the sky determined,
(11:55):
So I really shouldn't have even gone to vote. Ridiculous,
that's ridiculous. It was in your hands and the people chose. Now,
obviously the next question is can they will they deliver?
What will happen?
Speaker 1 (12:09):
I say, now, it's like, okay, look, if you're not
whatever side you're on, the popular vote is the popular vote.
Now let's see what's proven to as a people us
prove it.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
But I'll tell you something interesting here that does work
in astrology. Everything in astrology has a point of origination.
That's why we call it a birth chart, because the
origination of you was the day that you were born,
and that's a marker in the sky that stays with
you for your entire life. Well, countries have points of origination,
(12:43):
Companies have points of origination. So the point of origination
for the Trump presidency will be on January twentieth, twenty
twenty five, at high noon in Washington, DC. So we
can cast a chart for that and take a look
at some of the probabilities around what this administration might
(13:04):
look like. Because basically, that moment in the sky is
the birth of the Trump to presidential term interesting, And
as we look at that birth chart of the Trump presidency,
it truly looks like there are just about as many
challenges as opportunities. So in the real world, you realize
(13:25):
when you look at something like this that really what
the sky is showing is exactly the way it is.
He's going to face a headwind even in his own
Congress because there are a lot of leaders in Congress
who don't like him. There's a lot of public reaction,
there are going to be reactions from governors, so the
whole thing. And yet there are some really positive aspects
(13:46):
in here that means that he might get some of
this stuff done. And there is some karma stuff in here.
There are a lot of planets in pisces, and that's
kind of, you know, the spiritual thing, right, And that's
one of the things that I guess that where I'm
hanging my hat on this and I probably would go
down with a prediction or at least a now let's
(14:09):
say an observational probability. A lot of people for a
lot of years have been looking ahead to some kind
of spiritual shift on Earth, not just the United States, but.
Speaker 1 (14:22):
Certainly within themselves.
Speaker 2 (14:24):
First, Oh yeah, it always has to start there, right,
But certainly if it happened in this country, it would
be prominent in the world. It would be recognized that
I'm just scratching my head and tilting my eyebrow a
little bit to say, could this be the beginning of
such a spiritual renewal in this country?
Speaker 1 (14:45):
Wouldn't that be wonderful? And I know based on one religion.
Speaker 2 (14:50):
No or one party or one person, it's not it
that shove all of that aside. See, And that's what
I'm saying, is what happened in the country. I on
a to goodness, never thought I would see a Republican
sweep again. I just felt that the age demographic, the
nationality demographic, everything has changed over these last twenty years,
(15:11):
and I never thought we would see what we just saw.
I truly never did.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It is history made. I mean, when you think about it,
I think that again, no matter what, And I am
not saying what side I'm on, Obviously, I have friends
equally on both sides that are very very adamant. You know,
I think the most important thing is if you were
on the democratic side, the liberal side, to take a
(15:39):
deep breath and try to work with everyone, be collective
and love and give them a chance. If you are
on the conservative side, I'd say, please stop boasting, bragging
and prove it. And I mean that in love for
both sides.
Speaker 2 (15:55):
So well said, thank you, And that's exactly why I'm hanging.
I had on this nail. Forget about the politics. Are
we on the cusp or the brink of a spiritual
renewal in this country? And if we are, then I
would love to be a part of that.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
I feel humbled and lucky to be in this vessel
right now because I think we are, yeah.
Speaker 2 (16:18):
And doing things like this where we can reframe things
a little bit to say politics, ho hum, it's going
to be like it always has been. I mean, everybody
applauds these people who are corrupt. Just I don't understand it.
But wait a minute, whoa, whoa. Let's get over the
fence from all of that and let's, as you said,
(16:40):
on the side that is not going to be sworn
in on January twentieth, don't let it be that big
of a deal. If you are on the side that
is going to be sworn in, don't let that be
that big of a deal. Let's focus on something higher,
and let's focus on something that would truly impact the
world in a great and positive way. And that's a
spirit virtual change in the hearts of people. All right,
(17:03):
let me tell you just you know, this is where
I put my little radar up. I've got a friend
who I grew up with, who made a really bad
decision a couple of years ago, and he is sitting
in an orange jumpsuit in a state prison right now
we talk. I'm doing my good Samaritan duty of not
judging him for for a bad choice. Have I ever
(17:23):
not made a bad choice? I've made a bunch of
you know, it's like, and he has needs, and I
am in a sense ministering to him to get through
these several next years ahead. He said that out of
eighty people in his little part of the area, there
were six. I think he said that we're getting together
(17:44):
for some kind of spiritual service. Now that's almost twenty.
Speaker 1 (17:49):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (17:50):
What happened.
Speaker 1 (17:50):
That's true. Rehabilitation is what that is.
Speaker 2 (17:54):
Nothing changed. What happened. See, this is what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1 (17:58):
It's the domino effect of love and spirituality and you know,
giving it up to a higher power within you, just.
Speaker 2 (18:05):
Like what happened with this election. It came out of
nowhere and it catches fire, and that's what these things do.
So to me, that's the bigger picture here, far bigger
than politics.
Speaker 1 (18:16):
Absolutely absolutely, So it's a real simple thing, l Ovee.
It doesn't cost you anything, doesn't. I mean, we're talking
something that is as simple as loving your neighbors, yourself,
loving the person checking out your groceries regardless. So again
I knew all this ahead of time before I asked
(18:36):
you the question about why can't astrology predict? But I
wanted you to say it to where people really understood. Thomas.
I thought you did it beautifully.
Speaker 2 (18:44):
Well, thank you. Just not a wise thing to do,
not a good use of what this is. Can you
interpret it that way, Yes, But one of the biggest
problems right off the bat is your bias, even your
astrological training bias, is going to come in to what
you say, and that's just not the best way to
use this at all.
Speaker 1 (19:04):
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And thank you
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