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Speaker 1 (00:00):
Are you recording, I am recording. Okay, back to one
talk about again. Thank you for asking.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Well, I learned about the other day and I was
so excited to learn about it.

Speaker 1 (00:10):
I knew that well. I knew about THEMS.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
I knew about butchers, but butch is somewhere in the middle,
sometimes more, but more on the feminine side. Just learning about,
like you know, queer tribes and all and all that such.
I also have a question. Yes, we have bear, we
have otter, we have wolf, we have draft.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Twink is not an animal? Yeah, you don't. You don't
watch like National Geographic. Obviously Twink is an animal. What
is it? It's a hairless, slim, young gay man. Of course.
Of course, God, I gotta watch more National grists. You
never saw twinks in the wild. It's my favorite shoe.
It's Richard Attenborough and he's like outside of nightclubs, just

(00:51):
pulling through the windows. It's a great show, educational recovering.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Gleek presents.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
A clear buffy podcast. I'm Lena, I'm Ian and welcome
to Sleigh. Wow. That felt exciting and also so weird.
It'll get cooler, It'll get it'll get cooler. It's so
stupid because literally, first of all, TV shows don't have

(01:29):
feelings and they don't exist. Yeah, and also, we talked
about Glee for so long, fully a full year after
we finished recapping the episodes. But I feel like I'm
cheating on a significant other by being like, oh, yeah,
we we introduced Sleigh and we didn't say that we're Gleeks.
I know, how is Recovering Glee gonna feel about this?

(01:49):
We can't let we can't let them know. You guys,
if you see them in the street, do not tell them,
do not talk. Hello everyone, Welcome to the first episode
of our our podcast, new Costume of Us, Recovering.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Gleek Presents Slay, a Queer Buffy Podcast.

Speaker 1 (02:08):
I'm pumped. I love Buffy. You love Buffy. We bonded
over our love of Buffy the Vampire Slayer years before
we bonded over our love with Glee. We kept, we
kept our love of Glee. That shit was locked down.
We didn't tell a soul.

Speaker 2 (02:23):
Well of course, well of course, well back in the day,
like in the dark Ages that were the years between
twenty fifteen and twenty twenty, you couldn't tell anyone you
were yeak.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
But like to have watched Buffy was you were cultured
and you knew your shit, you know. Of course, of course,
I feel like I'm trying to remember how it even
came up. I feel like it was at D and
D one night. There was a specific night that we
were playing D and D together our first few years
of college where we found out on the same night

(02:54):
that we knew the just dance choreo to Oh No,
Viberine in the Diamonds. And then we also found out
that we both loved Buffy. Yes, And I remember we
were like so thrilled and so being like, oh my gosh,
we're bonded, We're forever friends that I'm sure everyone else
in the campaign hated.

Speaker 2 (03:14):
Our guts no, and I hope they still.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
And I hope they still do. But we really made
the whole night about us because we were like, we
just found out two things we haven't coment.

Speaker 2 (03:25):
Someone also emailed into recovering Gleek and they said that
we were throwing out the idea of a Buffy podcast
on episode seven.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
It's called the Buffy long Con, called the Buffy long Con,
and you're living it and we pulled it off. They
said we couldn't and we pulled it off.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
Oh my gosh, I'm really genuinely excited, and oh my god,
I'm really excited.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
Yeah. She talked about our history with the show. Yeah,
I will go first. I was gonna say simply because
I know yours is deeper and more profound, and so
I feel like yours, yours is the main chorus of
mind is just a little appetizer, apertee an aperteeth. I as
you know, Buffy for both of us, was before our time.

(04:07):
I was two years old when the show premiered. But
I feel like growing up in the early two thousands, you,
I feel like it's not possible to have not heard
of Buffy. Yeah, I heard it echoing through pop culture.
What really got me interested, which is funny because we
were just talking about the TV show. What really got
me interested in Buffy was how I met your mother,

(04:30):
which was huge, huge. We were in high school. Yeah,
and I something about me is when I love a show,
I love a show, I get so into it. I
used to be on the forums talking to people, I
used to be on the wikis reading facts. So I
went through like a big Hi. I met your mother
face in high school and I was just researching the

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show and all the actors and where they came from.
And I read that the two show runners of How
I Met Your Mother it was base on their time
in their twenties living in New York, and the character
of Lily was based on one of their wives, and
their wife said to them, I will Only I might
be misremembering this. I read this interview like fifteen years

(05:13):
ago at least, but to my memory, the wife said
to them, I only give you permission to have a
character based on me if you get someone from Buffy
the Vampire Slayer to play her. Okay, And I love that,
And that's how they like reached out to Alice and Hannigan,
and so that got me more interested in Buffy and
the Alison Hannigan of it all.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Yeah, Lily is so different than I know Willow that
sometimes I like forget they're both Allison Hannigain.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
And then she also has miss a Girl from American
Pie and movie I've never seen, although I feel like
she is more Willa Rosenberg based on the one famous
band camp scene and the way she delivers that line.

Speaker 2 (05:50):
Oh right right, Yeah, I've never seen that show.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
I haven't it's it's a movie franchise. Yeah, I've never
seen it. Oh see you say show like movies. I
know I am using them. Change, I apologize. I apologize,
you said, you said, Okay, get.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
It right, franchise.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
We're not here to spread misinformation to everyone, and I apologize.
I've never seen it. In Frankly, I don't know. Oh
I don't care to. I do not care to. I
like sex comedies, specifically like Broie heterosexual sex comedies. I
love you Jennifer comedy.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I want it to be all women. I wanted to
be bottoms. Oh exactly, I want to be I wanted
to be bottoms ex exactly. I hate a Broie sex.

Speaker 1 (06:34):
Com But I don't know, like what was the impetus
for me to start watching Buffy. I do think I
had a friend. I do know that I had a
friend in high school who his family really liked Buffy.
So maybe like that's what pushed me over the ledge.
But my senior year of high school, I finally started
watching Buffy. I marathoned it. I finished it my freshman
year of college, and I was out in these streets

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preaching the good word. I was for telling all my
friends you've got to watch this. I successfully converted three people.
I think that was the end of it. But a
few of my friends started and then didn't finish. But
like two of my friends started watching with me, and
then when we all win our different ways after graduation,
that's how we kept in touch is we had a

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group chat where we would be watching together and be
like talking about the episodes that we were on, what
was happening. And then I got my brother to watch it,
and he watched the whole thing. Nice. That's kind of
the long and short of it of my nice or
with Buffy as I watched it senior year of high school,
freshman year of college, and I really loved it. And
I think it's a great TV show and it's not

(07:39):
very exciting, but that's it. I think that's very exciting.
You've converted three people.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I think that's why I did. It's more than i've done. Hey, sincerely,
it's more than I've done.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Hey. My history with Buffy is.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
Well, when I was a kid, I was very into
the reruns of all those like goth nineties shows. I
really loved Charmed, I really loved Sabrina, I really and
the one that really stuck for me was Buffy. So
I was I don't think I've watched the whole thing
up and like insequential order up until probably college, because

(08:17):
I was just watching marathons on so I had seen
every episode, but I was like jumping in and out
and I knew what was going on. And then I
remember too that I had like in like the Walmart bins,
I got like season five and season six and season seven,
and I was so excited, like on DBD, That's what
I'm saying, And I was just so excited. But I've

(08:39):
always just like really anytime it was on, I was
very excited. I like filled up my parents TiVo with
episodes of Buffy. I remember I was caught watching an
episode where people were having sex and my mom was like,
oh my god, what are you doing?

Speaker 1 (08:55):
And I was so embarrassed. I was like, Mom, go away. Yeah,
So that's that.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
And in college, I would say, is really where I
became like the Scooby.

Speaker 1 (09:05):
That I am today.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
I like was going through some things in college and
then I just really I remember I ended up watching
Buffy probably and I swear to God like twice a year,
like through most of my college career. I just loved it, sincerely,
so so so much. There were in moments where I
like needed strength, I would go to Buffy and I

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would go to Buffy the Vampire Slayer and I would
like think to myself, like genuinely like what in this
moment would a slayer do? And she gives me strength.
I sincerely love it so much. My very first tattoo
I ever got in my whole life was the scythe
from season seven. Don't google it if you don't want spoilers,

(09:47):
but for the ones who know, they'll know. But so yeah,
I just feel like Buffy for me is a huge
part of who I am as a person and also
who I am as a queer person. It was like
tegirl in my like self realization and in my realization
of being queer.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
And I love her for that.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
And I'm pumped as shit to be talking about Buffy
the Empire Slayer with.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
You same babe. I just realized, I think what got
me to start watching Buffy I'm not kidding is Adventures
twenty twelve. Okay, I was like so obsessed with that movie.
I loved that movie. So I was like, I gotta
check out the guy who wrote this movie. I got

(10:32):
to check out his back catalog, and I think that's
what was the tipping point, because it's around that time
that I watched it.

Speaker 2 (10:39):
Yeah, my parents were also kind of into those shows,
like my dad really liked Firefly and a like Doll's House.
Did you forgar about Doll's House?

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Yeah, with freaking Eliza Dish who, of course I heard
about eli of course.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
I was trying to explain that that ship that I
was gonna say that that movie and really separate it's
a show this time it is the show. I was
trying to explain that show to someone the other day
and I was like, you haven't heard of this ship?

Speaker 1 (11:06):
What are you talking about? I was watching this were
too young. You haven't heard of this show that lasted
like ten episodes. I remember it was good.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
I haven't seen it since, but I remember my parents
were obsessed that guy.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Oh, miss ma'am. I don't know why I keep referring
to women as this today. This is like the third
time I referred to women.

Speaker 2 (11:29):
You also says miss girl.

Speaker 1 (11:31):
I say miss girl, miss ma'm or miss Eva is like, however,
word of them the women that I don't remember the
name of, but miss ma'am who plays Miss Casey and
Severance is in Donaldhouse, which I did not realize.

Speaker 2 (11:45):
Oh yes, yes, yes, oh yeah no, and that's where
I recognized her. I haven't seen Severance, but I know
who you're who you're talking about.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
One, No, Lena, I know, and I know, and I
know the economy. You know what I'm gonna say. I
I know the tariff. But you know what, you gotta
find a friend, like it's so good.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
The thing is, I do have a friend who was willing,
but that he's like, I don't want to share my
Apple ID.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
Because that's what it is. Oh yeah, just go to
his house.

Speaker 2 (12:13):
In Lake Tahoe, California. Yeah, okay, I am on my way.
Welcome to Slow to Slide. We're doing an episode by
episode rewatch.

Speaker 1 (12:23):
We've both seen the show before, but we have we
have many first time viewers. We have a lot of
our Glee crew that is coming over and we are
educating them on the queer media of your uh and
so we are doing it spoiler free review. We will
be talking about things in the episode and not spoiling
anything that we have yet to seem. So today we're

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talking about episode one, season one. Welcome to the hell mouth.
I have got some behind the scenes information. I'm going
to pitch this to you. Okay.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I was thinking I was rolling these around in my
head all morning and they couldn't find anything.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
So I thought that the one that stuck with me
is slacked Slayer facts because it sounds like pants and
I do think it's kind of our vibe that, like,
I think that's fine that we are good. Well, I
also think like our brand is low effort, you know,

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as in, like, oh my god, but I'm saying, don't
say that, take that, but like our Instagram posts are
like very badly photoshopped, And then I thought it was cutie.
I'm telling you the reason I committed to low effort
is because I wanted it to be I didn't want

(13:39):
expectations that I was gonna be like turning it out
every week. I was like, I need to be able
to get this graphic done in two minutes tops on Snapchat,
exactly on Snapchat. You know me, I'm not even opening
pro Create. I'm doing it on.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
Snapchat, which is interesting because you are a whiz with
a pro Create.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
But I'm a whiz if I have time. That's the thing.
I understand. As much as we love podcasting, it is
a passion project. And your girl's gotta work, and your
girl's gotta do other things.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
You're recently choir. I hear what you're saying. I hear
what you're saying.

Speaker 1 (14:10):
So to follow our low effort, most obvious say that
on the pilot of this thing, we've got new listeners.
Maybe we're gonna be phoning it in this whole time.
I'm thinking slacks Slayer, fact flax is good. I was
trying to do like Buffy the Vampire Buppy, the facts
vact sounds too much like Badge to me, And what's

(14:33):
wrong with that? This is children's podcast, is what's wrong
with that? You're right, You're right, You're right. Okay, well,
here's some background information. It's a long one today. Buckle
up because it's the first episode. So we're talking about
everything in the episode. We're also talking about like the
show as a whole. All right, Oh yeah, it's time.

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Bubby Vampire Slayer was the brainchild of one Joss Whedon.
Now we are no strangers to talking about media that
is entwined with controversial people. We just talked about Glee.
I believe we are going to take a similar approach,
which was we're talking about what's on the screen and

(15:15):
what happens off screen. I feel like is not our place.
How do you feel about this? Joss Whedon is a
controversial figure. Look it up if you're interested. Christma Carpenter
particularly has like she's like the one to go to
who is like spoken out about stuff. Yeah, it's just
I just feel like it's not we don't we were

(15:37):
not there. I don't want to like be on record
saying anything.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
I would be on record saying I believe Christmas.

Speaker 1 (15:44):
Car No, I believe Christma Carpenter. That's and that's what
I'm worried about. Is I feel like it sounds like
I'm signing with jos and yeah, that's that's how it's sounding.
I don't believe. And that's why you're a true friend.
I believe Chris the Carpenter. You can read her words
about the situation on the internet.

Speaker 2 (16:08):
Yeah, we do not support or condone Joss Whedon as
an individual. We do love Afi the Vampire Slayer as Yes,
this piece of media, so we're gonna talk.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Which was created by a plethora of other voices as well.
But it was originally from the mind of Joss Whedon.
Hey everyone, this is editing and just listen back to
the episode. I feel weird about how I essentially glossed
over the Joss Whedon of it all, so I wanted
to put a blurb in here and rectify that. While

(16:41):
I stand by that, I want this podcast to be
a fun time and us be talking about what we'd
love about this TV show. Also, like, we do have
to address the elephant in the room, and I feel
like I did not allow us to address said elephant enough,
So I want to talk about him more here. Once again,

(17:04):
if you want the specifics, I would go to the
primary sources. I don't want to just parrot them and
potentially get something wrong leave something out, So go to
christmer Carpenter's statement, Go to Ray Fisher's statement about Justice League.
There are plenty of people who've spoken out about Joss Whedon.
The long and short of it is, in the years
since Buffy the Vampire Slayer has gone off the air,

(17:27):
the majority of the main cast members and multiple members
of the production team and crew have spoken out against
Joss Whedon and how he created a toxic work environment,
how he was a bully on set, how he was
verbally abusive, how he would abuse his power. The list
goes on and on and on, and this is not

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unique to Buffy. People who have worked with him on
other productions like Ray Fisher have made the same claims. However,
Buffer the Vampire Slayer is a TV show that was
made by a massive team of people, and while it
was initially Jos's idea, we want to honor the work
of all of those people, and many of those same
people who spoke out about Joss still speak highly of

(18:10):
Buffy the Vampire Slayer and speak of how they're proud
to have been a part of it, and that is
what we want to focus on in this podcast. I
do think I made a mistake by accidentally downplaying the
Joss Whedon of it all. In the words of Sarah
Michelle Geller, while I am proud to have my name
associated with Buffy Summers, I don't want to be forever

(18:31):
associated with the name Joss Whedon. However, in talking about
the show, it is inevitable that his name is going
to come up, and we think it's important that all
of this context is there. From the jump that being
said back to regular scheduled programming. The idea started as

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Rhonda the Immortal Waitress. Joss just liked the idea of
a woman who seems like the most in significant person imaginable, who,
in his words, turns out to be extraordinary. Ronda the
Immortal Waitress then transformed into you know that in every
horror movie the little blonde girl who goes around a

(19:14):
dark alley and gets killed. What if we subvert that
formula and that little blonde girl is actually the badass
who saves the day. The name Buffy was chosen because,
in his words, it was the name he could think
of that he took the least seriously. He thought it
was compelling to have this character who, like is you know,

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the blonde, girly girl that you would expect to get killed,
who also has the most flippant and silly sounding name,
be like the chosen one, the most important person. And
the network begged him to change it, like it sounds stupid, Yeah,
and he kept fighting for it and saying this is

(19:56):
the heart, like this is what the show is. It
feels like a B movie to me, Yeah, but it
feels like a B movie that has a little bit
more going on. And if people aren't into b movies,
they aren't gonna be into this show. And he has
said that people's since have been like, oh, I think
the title is why a lot of people didn't take
it seriously, and in his own words he says, well,

(20:17):
fuck them. Yeah, in his own words, the very first
mission statement of Buffy the Vampire Slayer was the joy
of female power, having it, using it, sharing it. Now.
Buffy originally was a movie. It was a movie starting
starring part of me. Oh my gosh, girl, Kristen Swanson,

(20:38):
I think it's Christine Swans. I think it's Christy Christy Swanson. Yeah,
I think it's Christy Swanson. I was literally about to
say Kirsty Ally and I went, now, that can't be right.
Nobody has fun anymore. That's not that's not even Kirsty Alli. Baby,
who is that? I don't know? Oh my gosh, hold up,
what is that actor's name? That's not from My Time

(21:00):
A Fair to you? She looks like you'sy Allie. She's
from Third Rock from the Sun. I don't know what
that is. Oh, it's the show that my gosh, you're
making me name all the celebrities off the top. Of
my head. Jessic went love. It was on that show
as a kid. Whatever happened to?

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (21:15):
Me begging you to name the celebrity name. I don't care,
Actually I don't care. I don't care who this woman
is Lisdom, Kristin Johnston, Yeah, Kirsty. They Kirsty Ali and
christ and Johnson do look like each other. But we're
talking about Christy Swanson night. Okay, too many Kirkkrian names

(21:36):
in Hollywood. I'm joying to Lyne no more. If you
have a Kirkkaran name, I need you to change it
before you join the union. I'm actually begging if you're
getting a sagcard moratory. I'm on kirk craw names. They're
over picked. Something else. Too many of y'all.

Speaker 2 (21:50):
I'm talking to Christians. I'm not going to Chris. Yes, Carries,
You're still good. But it's close, but it's close.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
It's close. Starring Christy Swanson and Donald Sutherland. Hello, why
don't hear something crazy? I'm begging tom So, the actor
who plays Joyce. Her her union name is Christine Sutherland.

(22:18):
Sutherland is not her government name. She chose that last
name because she's such such a fan of Donald Sutherland
and then she got hired to be in the reboot
of the movie he was in. Anyways, that's awesome. The
movie of Buffy Thevampire Sight Were back on talk Er,
back on track Everyone. That was just a fun vacation
came out in nineteen ninety two. Joss wrote the script,

(22:40):
but the movie that exists is very different from his
original vision. Yes, a lot of the darker elements were
taken away, a lot of his more absurdist humor was
taken away, and in his own words, what got made
was a very broad comedy and he was incredibly frustrated.
He felt like it wasn't his vision at all. Years later,

(23:01):
enter Gail Verman, who is the CEO of sand Dollar
TV at the time, which was the production company that
owned the TV rights to Buffy, and Gail said to
Jos what if we made Buffy a TV show? Jost
very excited about the concept. He got excited of the
idea of portraying high school as a horror movie and
having supernatural elements and monsters of the week be metaphors

(23:24):
for growing pains and different things that happen to people
during adolescents and young adulthood. Originally, the title of the
TV version was just gonna be Slayer. I think that's
probably what the network was pushing for sure, but I
got changed to Buffy. The res his history and a
good choice. And the TV show serves as a sequel

(23:45):
to the original script of the movie. So if you
watch the movie, which I have seen, have you seen
the movie? Oh?

Speaker 2 (23:53):
Oh yeah, yeah, gosh and how yeah oh. I was
obsessed with the movie, yes, because I at the thrift story.
I forgot to mention it, but they feel so separate
in my head. But I was obsessed with the movie.

Speaker 1 (24:05):
Yeah. So there are a few similarities between Yes, Buffy's
origin story in the TV show what happens in the movie.
There's a lot of differences, Like in the movie burns Gym,
she does not burn down the gym in the movie.
Oh well, I remembering fuck me In the original script
she did. That was one of the things that got

(24:26):
taken out by the by production. In the movie, she's
also a senior. In the TV show, she's a sophomore.
But yeah, the original script which ends with Marrek her
Watcher dying, which Donald Sutherland does not die. I don't think.
I haven't seen the movie In years, but the original
script ends with Merrick dying and the gym gets burned down,
and that is canonically what happened at Buffy's last school

(24:49):
in the TV show. And tell y'all, okay and tell yeah,
So now here we are good.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
To know, good to know, good to know, because I
literally this morning Google, I was like, who is Buffy's
watcher before? And now I'm remembering right from Yeah, from
the movie.

Speaker 1 (25:02):
But he didn't die in the movie. He might have,
I don't remember. I can't remember. In the movie, it
is like a weird thing where Donald Sutherland always gets
reincarnated as a new Watcher and has been like doing
this for centuries. Sure, yeah, which canonically is not in
the show. Yes, anyways, so onto the TV.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
Show like politically Appointed or something.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Yeah, we'll get into it as more information gets repeal
to us not to spoil out watching, So TV show
shout out, shout out. Let's talk about some casting decisions,
some people who were in the running but didn't make it.
Selma Blair ever heard of her from TV's Legally Blonde
and TV's That Incest a movie? What's that one called
The Threes? Wetherspoon and Sarah Michelle Keller. Oh, that's right,

(25:48):
she's in that movie too. Wait Selah Blair is not
in that movie?

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Is she?

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yes, she is. She makes out with Sara Michelle Geller.
Hell yeah, lesbian kissed Selma Blair. You never seen this movie.
You don't out me like this. Try to act like
I did. Oh, Selma Blair, this movie some A. Blair
auditioned Katie Holmes of Dawson's Creek of Batman Begins also
auditioned Natasha Leone. It said was considered but said no,

(26:17):
which I think likely is like she got not that
she was offered the role, but like she got offered
an audition, yeah, or like was in callback for something
but she said no because she was sixteen and she
didn't want to come in to a TV show. And then
a bunch of other actors auditioned for Buffy that went
on to play different characters in Buffy, first and foremost

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Cordelia Chase herself Chrisma Carpenter, which is especially interesting because
Sarah Michelle Geller originally auditioned for Cordelia little Swappy Swap.
I love when that happens. Mercedes McNab who plays Harmony,
who you will see spoilert next episode. She auditioned for
Buffy as well Julie Benz, who plays Darla, first person

(26:59):
to have a line in the entire show. She auditioned
for Buffy, Elizabeth Ann Allen, who plays Amy, who will
meet in like four episodes. I don't know she pops
up this season. She auditioned for Buffy, and then Julia Lee,
who plays Chantrell, who I'm gonna be so honest, who
is that? I can't remember that? She auditioned for Buffy

(27:21):
as well, shouting Julia Lee, Wait, no, I think Chantrell
is Anne. I think Chantrell is Ann Steele. It's like
her real name or something.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Oh okay, yes, so okay, So she'll show up. Let
me show you a picture of her.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah, she'll show up down the line. She'll show up
down the line, all right. Obviously, the role went to
Sarah Michelle Geller. Sarah Michelle Geller. Previous to this, she
was a She was a daytime TV star. She was
in a young adult soap opera called Swan's Crossing that
I think will be lasted one season, and she was
also on All My Children, and she had already by
the time Buffy began won a Daytime Emmy Award for

(28:00):
Outstanding Younger Leading Actress in a Drama Series. Ah, Sarah Michelle,
You're everything. Oh yeah. David booranis who plays at this
time the unnamed Angel. But I feel like saying his
name is Angel is not a spoiler. Nah he This
is actually my favorite gazing story. He was casted. They
needed someone dark and mysterious, who you know, was creepy

(28:23):
but enticing. And Marsha Schulman, who was the casting director
for Buffy, got a phone call from her friend and
her friend was like, I found the guy you're looking for.
He walks his dog on my street. They literally saw
David Borannis walking his dog and was like, you, that's Angel.
Some people who auditioned for Xander. I guess one person

(28:44):
who auditioned for Xander Danny Strong, who went on to
play Jonathan and Buffy shout out, oh, very cool. Audition
for Xander. Ryan Reynolds was offered a role in Buffy
and turned it down. Probably Jesse. I was gonna say,
it's either Jesse Orxander. There's not really anyone else, so
one of those. It's not really a boy show. Shout out.
Alison Hannigan was the last person to be cast because

(29:08):
it was played by Reagan in the original pilot. There
is a twenty five minute pilot of Buffy that you
can find on YouTube, but I actually watched this morning.
It is essentially a very condensed version of Welcome to
the Hell Mouth without the Master stuff, like it's it's
just it's just Darla and Luke, no Master. Yeah, And

(29:32):
it's twenty five minutes long, and all the cast is
the same. Also, harmony is in it. Mercedes McNabb's fully
in the pilot, as is Danny Strong as Jonathan shout Out,
so they were in it from the jump, and then
Riff Reagan is playing Willow. Riff Reagan ultimately was not
the vibe they were looking for, so after the pilot
was filmed, they held auditions again and Alison Hannigan got

(29:54):
the role. A big reason that Alison Hannigan was picked
is because she brought an optimism to Willow that they're
very endeared by. I love that. Hannigan specifically says that
there was a line in her audition scene where she
mentions that when she was a kid, she got her
Barbie doll stolen, and Buffy asks, did you ever give

(30:15):
it back, and Willow responds most of it, and Hannigan
said that instead of saying most of it like defeated
and woe was me, she said most of it like
she was so proud of herself that she means to
get most of it back. And the casting team was
really endeared by that, which I think Griff Reagan does
a very good job in the pilot. But I do

(30:36):
understand that Willow is a little bit mopier in the
original version, and the Willow that we got is just
so like, just so earnest and hopeful despite any of
her circumstances. There's what were you gonna say? I was
just gonna say.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
I think that makes her such a good oil to Buffy. Yes,
because like Buffy is like this reluctant hero like things.
You know, she is being pulled into the situation she
desperately does not want to be in. And to have
a friend who is there with her with fucking bells on,
I think is amazing.

Speaker 1 (31:15):
Yeah, And there's so many lines just in this episode
that on paper would read so tragic. There's that moment
where they're at the bronze and Buffy's talking to Willow
and then She's like, I'll be right back and leaves
and then she goes, oh, you don't have to come back,
And like, on paper that could be so like, e

(31:36):
you're at the bronze, but her just being like, Oh,
that's okay, I'm used to it, don't worry. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Or when when Buffy comes up to her at the
lunch in like the lunch area, and she's like.

Speaker 1 (31:45):
Oh, do you want me to move? Oh? She goes
like just she goes, hi, you're Willow and she goes
why why, But it's just like so excited.

Speaker 2 (31:54):
She's also at the bronze, she's eating raisins, she's reading
a she's eating a box of raisins.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
In a fuzzy car again too.

Speaker 2 (32:00):
God, that Wheeler Rosenberg. You're everything to me.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Here is actually the worst casting change about the Unaired
Pilot to the actual pilot. Principal Flutie in the Unaired
Pilot is played by Glee Zone Stephen Tobolowski Sandy Ryerson. Wow,
and I love Stephen Tobolowski. I wish she was in

(32:27):
this show. Oh my gosh. Oh well. Also, fun thing
about that on air Pilot. This is the last thing
I have to say about it is when they go
to the Bronze. The name of the band playing is
Dingo's Ate My Baby, which is Oz's band in Future seasons.
So they were sitting on that name for a while. Anyways,

(32:48):
back to.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
The show, they were like, I just found it really
creepy and I can't wait to share it.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Seriously, try to work it into every project until it's stuck.
My Baby, Next one, one, We'll get up next next one. Okay,
So the opening song about the Vampire Slayer is written
and performed by the band Nerve Herder Shout Out, Shout Out.
The monster suits for Above the Vampire Slayer were created

(33:13):
by John Vulock and his speci effects company, Optic Nerve.
The makeup the monster makeup was done by Todd McIntosh
and the face like the way those faces look was
inspired by Barnabas Collins in Dark Shadows. Shout out. You
don't know Dark Shadows? Yeah? I don't, do you remember?

(33:37):
I only know Dark Shadows because of the Tim Burton
movie the where Johnny Depths of a Vampire. I never
saw it, but it's like the seventies and Johnny depths
Vampire and came out like twenty twelve. You know, I
went to a big vampire phase. I could have seen it.
Let me google it's got. It's got, like, oh, the

(33:58):
girl from kick Ass, Chloe Grace Moretz is in it
as the daughter. Yes, I have seen this movie. Yeah, yes,
So that is based on an old soap opera in
the seventies. Yeah, I heard, which is why I never
saw it. But the soap opera in the seventies, Crazy
Crazy started out literally as just like a regular soap
opera about like a rich family, and then slowly they

(34:18):
just got crazy with it. Where my God, a vampire
who's like their great grandfather, which is Barnabas, comes and
lives with them, and someone gets turned into a werewolf
in they time travel it got off the rails, but
their vampire face is apparently modeled after the actor who
played Barnabas in the original series What Up. The reason

(34:39):
that they decided to have the vampires do a face
change is because they were concerned that having a teen
girl just be stabbing people on TV maybe would undercut
the message and be a little odd. Yeah. They felt
that if they had a face change, it would be
clear like, no, these are monsters. It's okay that we're

(35:00):
killing you. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah yeah yeah. And to
get into that monster makeup took an hour and twenty minutes. Honestly,
that's not.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
Too bad from like like SFX makeup stuff. I hear
about now, it's like four hours see minimum.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
And I hear you and I'll raise you this. The
vamp makeup in this TV show. I love the show
is FuG lee, So why is it taking that long?
Fugly purpose? Okay, you you do have a point. It's
supposed to be a B movie. It's supposed to be
kind fugly on purpose. They look like pug dogs. I've
never liked it. What it's always been are You're not

(35:38):
supposed to like it. You don't have to be attracted
to it, you still have to respect it. On vampires
are sexy. Haven't you seen any vampire media? No? I
just I think that's also on purpose as well. I
think this is gonna be one of the things that
when I watch rewatch Buffy now, I will appreciate it
a lot more because, like you know, yeah, seventeen year
old me watching the show, my brain wasn't fully formed

(36:00):
and I couldn't fully comprehend this is probably part of
the bit. Yeah, and there.

Speaker 2 (36:04):
I also I have never heard people say that say
what I mean, I've heard you say it that they're ugly,
that they like well, not that they're ugly, They're supposed
to be ugly.

Speaker 1 (36:15):
Ugly is not the right but didn't get their motor
running watching them face.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
It doesn't give you a tingle, doesn't give you a stirring.
A stirring is so good.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
That's that's the giver chic uh huh did your school
go through that phase where when we all read the Giver?
Oh do you have to read the Giver? Of course,
and he has the wet dream and they call it
a stirring And do you remember what you're saying? We didn't.
It did not take over my school. Oh, all the
thirteen year olds were talking about stories. That's awesome. So

(36:50):
buffy massive I mean massive hit less in like a
ton of viewers, more massive hit and cultural impact. Of course,
it is cited as one of the most influential TV
shows of all time. It was largely snubbed at the
Emmys while it was on air, but it was a
critical darling to the point that people were so upset

(37:13):
that it didn't get nominations that it deserved. That after
the show ended, the Emmys had a special like goodbye
ceremony for Buffy. Damn you, Emmys. The success of Buffy
led to TV shows like Teen Wolf, like Supernatural. It's
what convinced well, it's partially what convinced the BBC to
revive Doctor Who. Oh that's so lovely to hear another

(37:37):
show very important to us.

Speaker 2 (37:39):
Love.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
It has been cited as a short of inspiration, as
a source, part of me of inspiration for some of
the biggest names in television. I'll name them for you.
Eric Kripke, who created Supernatural, Rob Thomas of Veronica Mars
a show you would love. I know that is so
Buffy coded. Also Chrysler Carpentories in It, Amy Sherman Palladino,
Gimbo Girls and marveloususus maisl and Queen of Television herself,

(38:03):
Shonda Rhys. Oh my god, hell yeah, awesome. I have
just some quotes about the impact of Buffy, exactly two
of them. Stephanie Zacharic in The Village Voice in twenty
fifteen said quote, if we really are in a golden
age of television, Buffy the Vampire Slayer was a harbinger unquote,
and Robert Moore and Pop Matters in two thousand and

(38:24):
nine said, quote, TV was not art before Buffy, but
it was afterwards unquote. Buffy popularized having long form stories
in episodic television, having a storyline that lasts an entire season,
that lasts multiple seasons, that lasts the entire show, having
things that happen in one episode affect future episodes. And
it is something that we are so used to now,

(38:45):
yes that it feels not that special, But in nineteen
ninety seven, yeah, that was insane. Yeah. And of course
Buffy had a huge impact in queer media. Buffy has
the first depiction of a lesbian sex scene in broadcast
TV history. It was also a pioneer. It also pioneered

(39:10):
representation of queer women in media by showing a lesbian
couple that was not over sexualized and instead the focus
of the relationship was two independent women who are in
a largely healthy relationship with each other over like, isn't
it hot how they kiss sometimes? Now we're going to
go on to episode proper, Welcome to the hell Mouth.

(39:33):
This episode aired on March tenth, nineteen ninety seven. It
was written by Joss Whedon. It was directed by Charles
Martin Smith. I believe this was a one and done
for mister Smith. I don't think he ever came back.
The shooting location for Sanity d O High is Torrens
High School in Towns, California, which is the same high
school that is used in nine h two one zero. Also,

(39:54):
I maybe am making this up in my brain. I
think I drove by it once.

Speaker 2 (40:00):
Yeah, I know that Buffering holds their Buffy prom every
like most every year there.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Oh that's so good, isn't that awesome? Yeah, that's so cool. Yeah.
Hell yeah. Also with something that Buffy does, there's a
lot of times when we go to the Bronze, they
have real independent bands playing there who are playing their
actual music. So I thought it'd be fun to shout
out the bands every time that we have one on
playing to this episode. The band of the Bronze is

(40:30):
Sprung Monkey, a band that was formed in nineteen ninety
one in San Diego. Their music was featured in quite
a few movies and TV shows like Boy the Vampire Slayer.
Other movies and TV shows that you may have heard
of that their music is featured in Due to My Car,
King of the Hill and previously featured on our Patreon
Ten Things They Hate about You. Yoh, some other facts

(40:51):
about this episode. I'm almost done. I'm so sorry. Are
you sorry about I love this? One of these facts
is a spoiler, so I will share it next episode.
I'll just like interject a fact into your segment if
that's okay, because it is a spoiler. The Master when
he rises from the pool of blood was supposed to
be covered in blood and then was supposed to be
covered in blood the rest of the episode, but it

(41:12):
ended up being too hard to do, so they cut it. Yeah,
good for them. The scenes of Buffy arguing with Giles
in the library and Buffy meeting Angel were reshot eight
months after the rest of the episode to make Buffy
less angry and more vulnerable in seid scenes. WB the

(41:33):
network that the first five seasons of Buffy aired on,
did not want them to use the word slut in
the episode and try to make them cut it. Hey.
The scene of Angel warning Buffy by the harvest was
David Borriannis's audition scene, which reading this, I'm like, no shit,
it's the only scene He's in what he had written.

(41:54):
But the scene, the scene of Buffy entering the library
and saying, so, what's the stitch was her audition scene.
Shout out, okay cool. The scene with Giles and the
bronze was Anthony Stewart Head's audition scene. Hey, and the
actors who play Luke the vampire and to play Aura,
the girl who has the dead body follow on her

(42:16):
later come back in future episodes as different characters. Love
and that's all she wrote. That's a rap on our
slacks for the week. Oh yeah, is that about that slack?
I do need to use the bathroom now, so maybe
we take a break and then get into the episode. Okay,
see I have a recap before we get in. Yes,

(42:37):
that's what I meant. Hell yeah, hell yeah, okay see soon, Okay.
So I'm not gonna do it as fast as I can.

Speaker 2 (42:50):
Ye. Well.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
The reason that we did that was because it was
it was an homage to Glee, you know, because he
and Brennan talks so fast in the recaps. So true,
so true. I'm gonna do it like nineties teen hell yah,
and I support it, okay, no much to Buffy. Oh
homage to Buffy.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
My girl.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
Okay, are you ready? Yes, it's kind of a long one,
just because there's a lot of establishing the world. We're
establishing a world.

Speaker 2 (43:17):
I think I don't mention the Master at all in
this So I hope you watched the episode. Here is
what you missed on Buffy. It's Buffy's first day at
her new school, sunny Dale, Hi, and everyone is so
excited to meet this mysterious new girl who carries around
wooden sticks in her purse and burned down her previous
school's jim but in her defense, the gym was full
of vampires. Buffy meets Xander, Jesse, Willow, and Cordelia. Cordelia

(43:42):
tells her to go to the library to pick up
her textbooks, where she meets the librarian who seems to
know more about Buffy than she anticipates. Turns out there's
fully a dead guy stuck in a locker with two
little holes in his neck and all of.

Speaker 1 (43:54):
His blood is gone. Yuck.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
Buffy returns to Giles the library and to confront him.
Buffy learns that is her watcher and appointed babysit are
more like and that sonny Dale has been having crazy
stuff go down. Buffy leaves Giles and tells her that
she is retired from vampire slaying.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Uh oh, Xander just heard that whole convo go down.

Speaker 2 (44:15):
Buffy goes to the local nightclub, The Bronze, to meet
up with the gang, but before she meets mysteriously yet
predatory hot guy who gives her a big cross necklace.
At the Bronze, Willow meets a boy who then takes
her to go get ice cream, but turns out he
lied he's a vamp. Buffy finds Xander and Giles and
they follow will to find her and Jesse in.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
A crypt with two vamps. Buffy makes quick.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
Work of one of them, and then the other one,
Darla gets away, and then Freaky Luke shows up and
then attacks. Will Buffy make it out of this? Will
Buffy accept her calling as a slayer once more? Don
d doun don to be continued?

Speaker 1 (44:57):
That was a monologue. You had a point of view there,
I did. I felt like I was. I go to
somenoy Dail High. You did a goat sheet. You said
goal objective. What's the A I don't remember a tactic.
I don't know. It's been years. It's been years. It's
been years. It's been years.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
Wow, Okay, welcome to the helmet for everybody. Welcome to
the hell mouth.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
They don't really say that, did these Does the master
say it's a hell mouth? I think because Buffy doesn't
know it's a hellmouth yet.

Speaker 1 (45:26):
But Giles says it to her towards it, and doesn't
he I don't know if he uses I don't think
he uses that phraseology.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
He's just like, something is freaky is going on here,
and she's like, yeah, because I'm going to this fucking school.
She follows me around and life is so terrible for me.

Speaker 1 (45:42):
Yeah, but he like specifically makes a point of this
town as worse than most places.

Speaker 2 (45:49):
I also, I swear to god, I watched it twice
this morning, and I'll watch it twice. No, seriously, I
watched it personally, and then we watched it for our patreo. Yeah,
So I mean, why don't I have this swell episode memorized?
Your guests is as good as mine.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
I'm dumb as rocks, You're not dumb as rocks, getting
But I literally have no idea. They say how mouth?
But also who cares if they do? Tell who? I
want to talk about? Opening scene of this TV show
ignoring the thirteen second elevator pitch at the beginning, which
makes me roll my eyes. It makes me say, hell yeah,
I like the elevator pitch for the subsequent episodes where

(46:27):
it's like, here's what the TV show's about. We're gonna
give it to you concisely so that you can follow along.
Only she can destroy the vampire. Once in generation, there's
a chosen one. But in the first episode, all of
that information gets revealed to us organically in a much
more interesting way. And I think they're putting the cart
before the horse. It's retroactively making the writing of the

(46:49):
episode less impressive because we are already we enter with
that information, whereas if we walked in blind, then stuff
like the Darlar review would be more exciting. Stuff like
Buffy nonchalantly ripping the door, like the lock door open
and ripping the wall. We would have those moments where
it's like, Oh, something's going on here, this is interesting,

(47:11):
And instead I go, well, I already know once in
a generation there's a chosen one. Only she can protext
and this is her. I've heard it for the prophecy. Yes.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
And also the show is called Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Like,
I know what I'm into.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
I mean, that's fair, But disregarding that, the first scene
of this episode I think is fantastic and is a
shout out to what we're in for. I'm specifically talking
about Darla and the dude that she kills, who I
don't even know if he has a name. I love
how it is set up as the most cliche we

(47:47):
know exactly how this is going to play out horror
movie scene. Ever, only to have the subversion of oh,
the helpless girl not only is not helpless, she is
the monster. Yeah, it tells you exactly one the TACKI makeup.
How like over the top it is is showing you
that this show is going to be campy and fun,

(48:08):
and then also that it is going to subvert what
you've come to expect about horror movies. Yeah, a great
frisk scene.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
And I also think it's pretty powerful to have Darla
look kind of similar to Sara Michelle Geller, because, like
I mean, I wasn't watching obviously, I was one when
this show came out, so I'm not sure that I
can tell you accurately if I would have been able
to pick sir Michelle.

Speaker 1 (48:32):
Geller out of crowd.

Speaker 2 (48:33):
But I do feel as though she want a fucking emmy.
What am I saying? But I do think it's powerful
to have this girl who looks sort of similar to
Sara Michelle Geller be a monster in this where it's.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Like, you can't you thought.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
You were seeing this, You can't trust anyone.

Speaker 1 (48:48):
I don't think, so this is Darla. It's not. It's
Darla Darla. Of course No, I so agree, Course, I
so agree. I think it's really fun, and that is
something about the show. The the high School as Hell.
Going through puberty is like fighting a supernatural battle. Aspect

(49:10):
is so fun and so exciting. And the crucial part
of that aspect is anyone around you in your social
group could be a monster in the same way like
Willow flirts with this guy at the Bronze, but she
doesn't know he's a monster, in the same way that
a poor, defenseless teenage girl could flirt with a strange

(49:30):
guy at a bar who's so nice to her and
makes her feel so special and be unaware that he
is a monster exactly who has bad intentions. I just
that whole sequence I think is so effective. I think
It is very clearly illustrating the real life life connotations

(49:52):
of like this could lead into being a sexual assault
without ever playing it too far, like it has one
foot and ball camps, but the one foot in the
vampire camp is in it enough that you never feel
super grossed out by it. But it's very clear the
messaging that they're trying to get across with that.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
You said that the other day, and I was like, Wow,
it's so true, because I feel as though Buffy is
so important to me, and I you know, I feel
like I like call on the feelings that I feel
when I watch Buffy in moments that are hard for me.
And you said something that was so powerful where you
were I said, I said, like, I'm not out here

(50:30):
fighting demons, and you said, but you are, like growing
up is fighting demons, like your own hormones are demons.
And I was like, oh my god, that really like
this show that I've loved and cared about for so long.
I had never thought about it in that way. So
shout out to you. And that's so true, And I
think that's so effective, And even if you're not necessarily

(50:54):
thinking about maybe real life what this means in the
real world, you're still getting those feelings and you still
can like draw on that, like the feelings that you
feel while you watch it, even if you aren't putting
the right words to it.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
So shout out to you. You are media literate as fuck,
and I love you. Thanks, pay, I love you too.
But I think I think that's what makes this show
so compelling and so special in a why I am
not big on Supernatural toleersion, like, I don't watch a

(51:29):
bunch of I never watched Supernatural, I did not watch Charmed.
I think the reason that Buffy is the one that
broke through and really stuck with me through all these
years is because Buffy. And to be fair, I haven't
watched these other shows, so I can't actually speak to
this about them. But Buffy is telling a human story.
Buffy is telling a human story through a supernatural lens.

(51:50):
But at its core, it is a human story. Yeah,
it is a story about growing up. It's a story
about adolescence. It is a story about not being able
to trust the people around you, about your body going
through changes, about having responsibilities put on you that you
don't know how to handle, and you feel like you
weren't prepared for it is feeling ostracized and wishing that
you could be normal and just have a normal time
like everybody else. But you're going through all this shit

(52:13):
that no one else you feel like no one else
is understanding it. Yeah, and the central character Buffy is
so compelling. Yeah, she's such a perfect character one like
the whole trope of you'd expect her to die first,

(52:33):
but just this girl. That's so And also I'm now
likely going to parrot stuff that you said to me
about why you love Buffy so much. Say it as
long as you as long as you give me credit.
I know that you talked about that she wants more

(52:54):
than anything in the world to just have a normal life,
just be a normal girl, don't have to worry about
any of this shit. But at the end of the day,
she is too noble and has too good of a heart,
Like she will throw a fit and throw her hands
in the air and pout and whine about why do
I have to be the one to do this, But
at the end of the day, she can't bring herself

(53:16):
to not do it. She is going to help her friends,
She is going to save the world.

Speaker 2 (53:21):
Yeah, even in that moment, where she's talking to Giles
and she's like, I'm done with that.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
I'm retired.

Speaker 2 (53:26):
She's like, well, if I like see a vampire like
all staken, but like that's just like and she's still
carrying a steak because she is called to this. She
is she realizes that she's the only one who can
do it. She even when like everything in her is
begging her not to do this, she knows she's called

(53:47):
to it. I think one of the most powerful things
in this episode is her talking to Giles and the
Bronze and her being like, I'm done.

Speaker 1 (53:58):
I really can't do this.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Every thing about being the Slayer keeps me from people.
I cannot connect with friends, I can't tell them who
I really am. I can't connect with my mom. Like
everything in my life is so fucked over by being
the Slayer and Giles being like, Okay, cool, do what
you're gonna do, and then realizing that her new friend

(54:22):
Willow is in trouble and she's like, of course she's
gonna save her friend. Yeah, there's no question, even though
it will like fuck up her life, even though she
will burn down the gym to save a friend and
to like help humanity she's going to do it.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
And even in her everyday life. I mean it's obvious,
but the way that she goes out of her way
to be friend Willow when she sees how Willow was
picked on in a little bit ostracized. She's just so good.

Speaker 2 (54:49):
She's got a good heart, a great heart. Yeah, we
love our girl.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
We love our girl.

Speaker 2 (54:55):
Something I love so much about Buffy too, is she
is just a girl. She wants to be close to
the shoe she loves. She's obsessial boys. She that to me,
like it speaks to what is kind of maybe the
core of it, like Josh said, like the power of
what did he say, like female power or.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
Whatever, the joy of female power, the joy of female power.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Like everything about her makes her powerful. You wouldn't expect
this girl to like kick ass, and then to watch
her do it is so awesome And then you're like, oh, wait,
that girl is just like me. I can kick ass.

Speaker 1 (55:31):
Yeah, she's very el woods in that. Yes, she she
doesn't have to be like I'm not like other girls.
It's I'm just like every other girl. I'm just like
every other girl. That's what makes me about Let's go girls.

Speaker 2 (55:43):
Yes, yes, yes, I mean that is, it's like there's
just no right way to be a woman. There's no
right way to be a feminine person. Like it's either like, if.

Speaker 1 (55:54):
You're too girly, you're blah blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
If you're not girly enough, you're da da da da da.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
If you're like.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Somewhere in between, you can't find your space. And it's
like being exactly who you are there is the right
way to do it. And Buffy is like a hyperfem
ask kicking motherfucker, and don't mess with her. And then
we you know, we also meet so many other girls
who are so different than Buffy, who also kick ass.

Speaker 1 (56:20):
It just is so.

Speaker 2 (56:21):
Important to me as a human. I cannot tell you
I would be without Buffy. The Vampire's like, I swear
to God.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
All right, what do you want to talk about? It's
hard because usually we go plotline by plot line, but
since this is a pilot, everything kind of goes Yeah,
there's no B or C. It is the one plot
which I have to say an excellently written in paste
script one hundred. Yeah, everything goes together very cleanly. I

(56:50):
think the moment that you shouted out her trying to
boost Willow's self confidence, and then that is accidentally what
puts Willow in danger, and then Willow being in danger
is what gets Buffy to actually, you know, take up
the slayer mantle. Again. That is all very effective. I
remember in a scriptwriting class one time, our teacher said,

(57:11):
in a script, you cut everything unless it furthers the
story or it's incredibly funny. And I feel like that's
this episode. Everything is furthering the story or is a
joke which we should talk about some of the jokes.
Buffy became very famous. Frankly, everyone on the Internet talks

(57:33):
about millennial media, specifically like the Marvel Media movies and
how it's like everyone is equipping all the time, and
enough with the quips, and who do we have to
blame for that? Buffy the vampires Slayer, Like, ultimately it
is Buffy the vampires Slayer. It popularized, it became known
as Buffy speak, Buffy speak, which was talking in this

(57:54):
kind of overly yeah, like that's very quirky, over wordy,
way too many nouns, a lot of adjectives, everything, just
like a bit off, a bit odd. It popularized this
kind of talking that is so linked with millennials. I
wrote down a bunch of examples as I was watching,

(58:17):
and oh, hell yeah, frankly, I find it charming as
a young millennial. Uh, I find it charming, and I
like it, and especially like Buffy is kind of the
first to do it. We have stuff like, oh my gosh,
the first scene with Willow and Xander when we're first
introduced to them is so Buffy speak. Yeah, when he

(58:42):
runs into Willow and then says, Willow so very much
the person I wanted to see so very much, not
just so very much, so very much the person I wanted.
And then I had some trouble with I had some
trouble with the Math, which part the Math the Math party,
and then Willow saying it's in the library where the
books live, like that is that's for better or for words,
where the books live. Don't you have an elsewhere to be?

(59:05):
I do love that one. Don't you have an elsewhere
to be? Jesus that I gotta lock that in. That's
very good. And then also just some these aren't necessarily
Buffy speak, but some jokes in this episode that I love.
One favorite joke of the episode, the two girls talking

(59:25):
in the locker room about Buffy and one goes, what
kind of name is Buffy? And then someone passes her
and goes, hey, Afrodisia.

Speaker 2 (59:33):
The way they speak is so such a time capsule
to what I imagine the nineties were, Like, I'm just
so obsessed. They are silly as hell.

Speaker 1 (59:44):
Smg says that when she auditioned because she was from
New York and when she auditioned for Buffy, she did
not understand. She had to go in the audition room
and ask, what does sitch mean? She was like, That's
just not how we talked New York.

Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:01):
But in an interview, Joss Whedon said the way that
the characters on Buffy talked were one them kind of
satirizing valley girls speak. But also he was like, this
is just how me and the writers talked to each
other in real life, and we just put it on
to the page.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
You you thought that that was kimpossible, Kim possible, a Ridge.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Kim possible, unafraid to reference or not reference possible. It
is a big Scooby. She loves California girl herself?

Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
Is she?

Speaker 1 (01:00:30):
I think I thought she was like Colorado for some reason. Huh,
Where's Campossible? From you can't help but google stuff. I
have questions. I'm an inquisitive guy. Oh, she's famously from Middleton, Middleton, USA.
Of course we all know where that is. Yeah, she's
from a made up city that has no specific location.

(01:00:52):
But someone on Reddit said, is Middleton a Denver, Colorado suburbs?
So I'm not alone in this. I guess you were right.
I guess you were right. They famously are in the
southwest US because there is an episode that shows like
what the Big Bad is targeting, and it's a map
of the Southwest. Hey, she could be for Mazy, just

(01:01:14):
like you. She could be for Mazy. But I feel
like it's Colorado for some reason. Colorado is in southwest. Yes,
it is Colorado. Yes, it's part of the Four Corners.
The four Corners are southwest, babe. But are you a
west Utah is in southwest? You're a West purist? No, no, no, no,
I'm just thinking about this. New Mexico and Colorado are

(01:01:37):
the southwest. Do you think Utah is southwest? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
I think northern Utah is not southwest. I think once
you get to Lake Middle Utah that's southwest. I think
it's a region, especially in terms of the desert dog.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Well, anyways, this comment is the map that showed Colorado
is on the map, So it doesn't matter. Okay, I
hear you. You don't need to get into semantics. South
Back to Buffy, Yeah, do you want to talk about Xander?
Do you want to talk about Willow? You want to Cordelia? Yeah,

(01:02:12):
you want to talk about Jesse, talk about the gang.

Speaker 2 (01:02:14):
Let's talk about the gang. I love meeting the gang.
I love the moment where Buffy is like on the
prowl looking for the guy who took Willow, and she
like tries to steak Cordelia, and then Cordelia goes, what's
your childhood drama? Cordelia Chaser everything to me? I think

(01:02:35):
this gang is such a fun, fun group. I think, like,
you know, you know, we don't know much about Xander,
but we get that he's kind of would you say
he's cool, I wouldn't say no, no, no, no, yeah,
he's a try oh none at all. He's a tryhard exactly,
He's a big tryhard.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
Obviously. Willa Rosenberg, we've talked about her at length.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
The stimism she has in all this sadness is so apparent,
And now that you say that, like, that's the overwhelming
feeling that I'm feeling to see that Xander and Willow like.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
Have like a past together. I just this whole crew
I love.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I'm not the biggest Xander fan, as we'll come to learn,
but I like him for here, for now, see, I
think that's fine.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
And maybe I'll change my mind, but I maybe I'll
change my mind, maybe we'll maybe we'll swap, but I
remember really liking Xander. Yeah, because Xander is famously a
self insert. Not even like this isn't us theorizing Joss
has its shread that Xander is a self insert. So

(01:03:43):
it is tricky to be like the nicest guy in
the world who you have so much empathy for and
it's so funny, but just can't get girls to like
him is a little irolly, especially knowing the things that
we know. But just looking at the piece of media
place in front of me, and maybe I will change

(01:04:04):
my mind. There's a lot about Xander that I do enjoy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:09):
Yeah, you know, as we'll come to learn more about
obviously Buffy being the Slayer and where these people all
fit in Buffy's friend group and like as her support system.

Speaker 1 (01:04:21):
Obviously knowing what I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:23):
I do think Xander plays a crucial role in that,
and I think that that's good and the thing that
I like and a thing that I like. Not to spoil, yeah,
any spoiler.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, And Xander is like Chandler bang light. It's very
totally they're really trying to do the Chailer bang thing.
But I think he and Willow compliment Buffy so much.
I don't know. This is a girl who's like going
through hell every day. And as you already mentioned, Willow
views everything with rose colored glasses, and then Xander filters

(01:04:56):
everything through humor. He just like his role is, he's
going to bring levity. He is going to get the
tension out of the situation, which I think are good
foils to each other, Willow to Xander, and I think
are also good foils to Buffy and help keep the
show funny and lighthearted and fun. And then Cordelia, you know,

(01:05:19):
I love an HBI. See I love it. I a
mean girl. You're upset. She fully is a teacher. She
is that's an adult woman walking around this high school.
Oh my god. Totally everyone else is like passable. Nicholas
Nicholas Brendan is like a little man looking, but Crystal
Carpenter is fully twenty seven years old. I used to

(01:05:44):
I remember, I'm not kidding. When I turned twenty seven,
I was like high schools, it's over, You're gonna Book
of Hilot.

Speaker 2 (01:05:53):
No.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
I was the opposite. I was like no, because it
was also like Corey Monteo's like twenty six or twenty
seven when Glee started, and I was like, this is
the oldest they ever let it be. It's officially over.
I have to make peace with it. I can't be
Cordelia Chase anymore. It's over. Cordelia in this episode really
is just there to be mean and hear me out,
I'm all for it. Oh may I love it. I

(01:06:15):
love a mean girl. And what are your thoughts on Chiles?
I love Giles.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
I think especially this strong out British man who already
is at his wits end, like trying to be a librarian,
like having to wrangle this fifteen year old little little diva,

(01:06:44):
is so damn funny. I think they are. That's the
Buddy Coop comedy of the century. To me, is even
like the words, like her saying, what's the stitch to
this man is insane and so damn middle aged British
scholar serious, like he ran the British Museum or whatever.

Speaker 1 (01:07:03):
Like I think that is so funny. I also think that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:07):
I just I think they are I'm gonna say, we're
gonna use these words a bunch. There's such great boils
to each other. These characters are just so well balanced.
They're just so well balanced, and I think he is
obviously in this episode, he's just very like, this is
the way that it's supposed to go, and Buffy is

(01:07:28):
just not gonna work like that, and he has to
learn to adapt to that. And I just think he's
got he's got a journey to go on with this
girl and to like understand her. And I think it's
starting in a really fun and compelling place, and we
know that danger is afoot and we know that he
feels that, and we feel the frustration that he feels

(01:07:48):
when this girl is telling him that she is denying
her destiny and how that's not gonna work, like we
are in this world that has evil, whether she wants
to face it or not. And he I also feel
his frustration in that he doesn't have the power of
the Slayer to accomplish this, like if he could, he would,
so I feel all that coming from Giles, and I

(01:08:11):
just this cast is so well balanced, man, I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:08:15):
The characterizations are very strong. They really balance each other
out well. Yeah, and then of course we got Jesse,
who's a horny teenager, yeah, who was just hitting on everywhere.
He shout out, Jesse, what shout out?

Speaker 2 (01:08:29):
Jesse.

Speaker 1 (01:08:30):
I'm excited to see what you're up to. A good
foil to everyone else not being horny enough. He's horny
enough for all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
I know you know what I'm I'm looking for. I'm
looking for Zanner to be a little more. Thanks Jesse,
I'm glad.

Speaker 1 (01:08:43):
You're glad you're here. I'm glad you're here to pull
it off for us. And then we also meet mysterious stranger.
Oh that's right. We don't even don't know his name.
And I know you're a big Angel hater, and maybe
my opinion will change. I just like as a teenager,

(01:09:04):
oh yeah, I just was never into the like intensity stuff.
So I liked the sillier elements of Buffy. That's the
same like the Master. As a kid, I was like
this guy again, are we kidding, So like, Angel's just
never been it for me. There's not much to talk
about in this episode because it's literally one scene, and

(01:09:27):
the scene is interesting. He's such a creep up, Like,
who is this dude? How does he know all this?
He doesn't know Giles, so what's the deal? And I
think David Morianis is a good actor. Shout out to him.
He looks very hot when he walks his dog apparently,
say he is good looking. Yeah, I think, And we'll
see what's up. But I just think there are so

(01:09:48):
many things that exist in.

Speaker 2 (01:09:51):
Media of this type that would not exist without David's Angel,
and I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
I love him for that. Yeah, no, I agree. Hey, hey, hey,
it's just there's not a lot. There's a million things
I want to say that we can't say because it's
we can't say. So focusing on just this episode, we're
pre saying this foreshadowing. It's a literary device. Focusing on

(01:10:21):
just this episode, I think V's Angel, if you will.
I think this episode does a really good job of
setting up the world of the show and the tone
of what this show is going to be. The way
that the characters react to death is very informative to
us as an audience of how seriously we should be
taking these deaths. Yes, the classroom scene starts off with

(01:10:45):
a close up shot of the teacher writing death on
the board and then she turns on and goes. So
it was really fun. The really fun part about the
Black Plague the show is letting us know, Hey, so
we are like a send up of old horror movies.
The body count is going to be high, and we
need you to be okay with that. Should we keep score?

(01:11:06):
That's actually a great idea. That is a great idea.
So right now we got miss man, mister man. Part
of me, I don't mean to mis genders was dar Law.
He's dead and second vamp second tries vamps count they
don't have souls.

Speaker 2 (01:11:25):
No, I know he do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
What was his name, like Thomas or something, and she
was like Thomas hit On Willow. Okay, No, that's Luke.
Is that all Luke? No, that's not Luke. What the hell?
Luke is a freaky he's a big literally and it's
the one he looks like he's the Master's right hand man.
He's a Master's right hand man. Yeah, Luke, I literally

(01:11:48):
thought he said Muke and I was like, white lotus. Okay,
So Thomas is the guy that hits on Willow and
he dies, so we got two in this episode. Anyways,
got to it's very clue letting us know bodycount's gonna
be high. You need to not like that's the world
we're in and don't ask questions. And I think that's

(01:12:11):
really important because so much insane shit happens in this
show that the characters just turn a blind eye to,
and the show would frankly be so much less fun
if the characters cared about all of it. Yeah, it
is so much more fun to be like monsters a bound.
People are dying left and right, supernatural stuff happens all

(01:12:32):
the time, and yet life goes on and we're still
gonna go to school the next day. You have to,
you have to what else you gonna do. I'm taking
the writen tomorrow exactly. I took the writ tomorrow. Also,
just a shout out because this scene made me laugh.
When she's in the office of principal, Fluti is sadly
not played b Stephen Tobolowski, and he's like, we don't

(01:12:54):
care about your past here and rips up her record
and then sees on one of the shreds that she
burned down her jim and starts taping it back together.
It's really good. It's really really really good, very good,
very good. Oh my god, dang, do we have any
other big thoughts about this pilot.

Speaker 2 (01:13:13):
I love to see Buffy interact with the vampires for
the first time because we see that even though she
is so reluctant the entire time she doesn't want to
do it, she doesn't want to do it, she doesn't
want to do it, she gets in there, she is
confident and she is ready to fuck them up.

Speaker 1 (01:13:28):
Like I love that. Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:13:29):
She she not only knows she's gonna kick all their asses,
she knows and she's gonna like also bully them before.
I think that is it shows exactly what Buffy has
going on the you know, I just think it is so.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
Awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
And one of my favorite things about Buffy is her
little like almost like villains speeches before she kicks ass.

Speaker 1 (01:13:51):
Like it is so funny. I know her really before
Thomas dies, She's like, and I'm also gonna tear apart
your outfit, and you know why you look like de
barge de Barge you look like the rhythm of the night, bitch,
and then she stabs him. She goes, you look ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (01:14:12):
I love that, and I also love too when Giles
and Buffy are talking, and that's how she knows that
he's a vampire, is that his outfit is so outdated
and that's not something that Giles would pick up on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:23):
That's not something that normal l Woods uh huh so
el Woods where she.

Speaker 2 (01:14:31):
She would just know that. And I thought something special
about her that is a superpower of hers and I
think that's powerful and awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
Hell yah, I'm gonna raise you a question, which is okay,
I have two questions. One of them is mister man Luke. Yes,
he reads a prophecy where he's like, humans are a

(01:15:00):
plague of boils on the earth and we're going to
bring back the old ones and we will live on
the surface and the humans will be gone, which is
confusing to me because was he not a human before?
That's what I think he was. Yes, that's the thing
is because that's what's weird to me is if he

(01:15:21):
was like, you know, oh, he's like a regular demon.
But I'd be like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But I'm
kind of saying that's you, dude, you're talking about yourself. Yeah,
you were one of them, a selfading human. He's got
internalized human phobia, human phobia exactly, internalizing phobia. And that's

(01:15:43):
what I think it is.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I think the Master has been like going on and
on and on and on and on, that he is
like like distance himself in his humanness.

Speaker 1 (01:15:52):
Yes, exactly, that he can't even relate anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:15:55):
Yeah, but it's likely that was you ten years ago,
I can tell.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
I think a lot longer than you. Speaking of though,
my big question is Missdeva, Queen Darlasla. How the fuck
does she do not know what a slayer is? So
here's the deal, not to give it, not to give
a spoiler, but this is not really a spoiler. Darla

(01:16:19):
is like five hundred years old minimum. How does she
not know what a slayer is? She's talking. Luke comes
and she's like, I don't understand it. How was she
so strong? If I had been alive for five hundred
years and every generation a chosen One was called and

(01:16:40):
was killing my friends, the second that a girl kicked
my ass, I'd be like, so that's the slayer exactly.
She is the slayer would keep me up. Seriously, we
have nightmares. I'd be in my coffin, shaken and turning like,
I hope that's not a slayer. It's like, it's like,
what's her name, what's her name? What's her name? What's
her name? What's her name? Tucking about what you mean

(01:17:02):
it's like a killer Williams. I would be like, aware
of the slayer since birth. You have to be on
the lookout for the killer. You have have the looking
for the slayer, because that's the thing. It doesn't make
any sense, And I think it's specifically fun. No, I

(01:17:23):
think it's stupid as hell. She would know that, she
would know, she'd be like, especially she's working for the Master.
The Master certainly does know. Why is he part of
their prophecy? Hell, he's gatekeeping? Maybe that is, But that's
the thing is as it. She's been on for five
hundred years. She has not been for real. Like, girl,

(01:17:49):
take the open eyes, look at the world around you.
There are people I meet and I'll say like, did
you hear about this? And they go, what the hell
is this?

Speaker 2 (01:17:55):
And I'm like, you need to awake the fuck up, Darla.

Speaker 1 (01:17:58):
You haven't heard him of Vampire Higher Slayer. You're a
danger to society. Seriously, you need to wake You're all
have to vote in the Vampire Council. Your vote, your
uninformed ass vote, counts for as much as the Masters.
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:18:15):
You're telling me you just listen the Master ramble on
all day and freaking Luke, you just listened to the
Master's podcast, and that's where you're getting your Vampire Council information.

Speaker 1 (01:18:25):
Series, your own research. Jesus, oh my gosh, propaganda. He
doesn't want you to know about the Slayer. He doesn't
want you to know. Well, that's and the podcast is
giving anti human rhetoric, and that's why Lucas exactly, he forgets.

(01:18:45):
He's just listening to himself from his humanness. He's like,
he listened to like a four hour diet tribe on
that podcast, and he was like, I can't let anyone know.
I have to shove this part deep down inside of me.
He went to human converted therapy. Per guy, poor guy. Honestly,
I do I feel bad for Luke. That's the thing.
And sometimes you look at people and it doesn't mean
you can due what they're doing, but you do empathize

(01:19:07):
with them. You do see there. You can have empathy exactly.
You can have empathy for freaking exactly, and I have
empathy for freaky Luke Darla. Darla, I don't that's is
misimpoint intentionally, intentionally ignorant, and she's intentionally Oh my god,
and Darla, you look ridiculous. Do we have any more
thoughts about Welcome to the Hell? Now? I love it.

Speaker 2 (01:19:29):
It's one of the best pilots ever.

Speaker 1 (01:19:35):
That's so. We mentioned on our last the episode where
we announced that we were doing Buffy, that we were like,
season one is like not the best season. Yeah, and
I certainly think I will like future seasons more. But
wat Yeah this pilot. I was like, this is so
much stronger than I remembered it being.

Speaker 2 (01:19:54):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm excited to feel
that way. I feel like one of my favorite things
that happened when we rewatched Glee, and I keep fucking
saying this so real ones remember.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
But the humble Like I came in feeling like I
was gonna hate it more, and I actually just loved it.

Speaker 4 (01:20:10):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:20:11):
There were parts, of course that I didn't enjoy or like,
you know, I enjoyed less but I'm excited to feel that.
I'm excited to feel humbled by my teenage opinions, my
college opinions on the show.

Speaker 1 (01:20:21):
Granted.

Speaker 2 (01:20:22):
I mean, I'm personally rewatching Buffy right now, and there
are episodes that I previously was like tomato, tomato, tomato
that I'm like, actually, i can see what they're trying
to do here, and I'm kind.

Speaker 1 (01:20:34):
Of into it. So I tell it. I won't say,
I won't say, I won't say that's the one that
I always think of. I'm talking. I'm exciting about the
Horny House. Oh about the Horny House. Seriously? Okay, no,
I agree, It's there's something very gratifying. Is that the

(01:20:56):
word I want to use. Who knows about why watching
something that was so important to you as a kid
and realizing that not only is it like as good
as you're remembered, but in some ways better than you realized,
because often it's the opposite. Yeah, so often you're like,
this is actually ascid. I'm embarrassed that I loved this

(01:21:18):
so seriously.

Speaker 2 (01:21:19):
Yeah, like I feel that way about like, glease humor,
Like I just like when I was a teenager, I
didn't get it, And now that I'm an adult, I
get it, and I'm like, actually, slay, this is awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:21:30):
Slay slay so much. An't a podcast that I hope
someone does? All right? Well, No, we got a little
segment here at the end of our episode that we
haven't done in a while called best Part Worst Part,
where we share our best part of the episode and
our worst part of the episode. Lena, what's the best part?

(01:21:51):
What if we switch trip? Worst part? Best part, the
worst part? Best? What's your worst part? I don't have fun.

Speaker 2 (01:22:02):
No, genuinely, yeah, I don't know that I have one.
I think this pilot is one of the best pilots
I've ever seen. I think it's a near perfect episode
of television. I mean, I get what you're saying about
the little like snippet before with the creepy announcer guy.
I think that kind of gives away what the show

(01:22:23):
is trying to tell you anyway, and it kind of
reads to me when I'm thinking about it, like maybe
like production is trying to like not production, this is
not reality TV, but like that network is trying to
like give you a little taste of what's going on
before it happens, which I then gives away some fun reveals.

(01:22:45):
So I get what you're saying about that what I
call my best my worst part maybe because I really
can't think of one.

Speaker 1 (01:22:50):
Yeah and hell yeah, so maybe that what do you think?
I love all these actors, all these characters, these actors
through all the beginning of their career, except for you know,
like Anthony Stewart Head. Occasionally there is a line of

(01:23:10):
dialogue that I'm a little bit like eh about, And
then I think, if I imagine a more experienced actor
saying this, I do understand why this line is funny. Yeah,
and that is Yeah, it's not. And that's the thing.
I'm really happy to stretch here because I think this

(01:23:31):
is a really good episode of television.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:23:34):
I do think occasionally some of the quips are a
little awkward, and I think part of that is just
the delivery is sometimes weird to me.

Speaker 2 (01:23:44):
Yeah, hey, they're hiring people off the street walking their
damn dog.

Speaker 1 (01:23:48):
Yeah, but that because Angel was quipping less and right
in the scene, I said, Okay, we're.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
Not giving a get out of here, get off the stage.
We got a RelA some information. Seriously, come on, alright,
See he's trying to get his comedy podcast. Also, this
is the worst part with the whole show. This show
is the makeup. No, this show is so damn dark,

(01:24:15):
and I get it, and I think it works so dark,
but it's not a TV show to watch in the afternoon.
And this has bothered me since I was a teenager.

Speaker 2 (01:24:25):
I also, this is so crazy to say. I inherited
my late father's television and it is huge. It's the
biggest TV TV I've ever seen in my life.

Speaker 1 (01:24:35):
It's behind me. I was gonna saying, behind you. It's big.
It's like it's I can't even tell you how big
it is. It's huge. But it is hot.

Speaker 2 (01:24:46):
These early seasons of Buffy, they're glory as fuck. Yes,
I can't see it's dark. It's dark, but like, that's
so nitpicky. What's your best part, Okay, other than literally
all of it, I think the moment of and it's
so interesting to hear that it was reshot, the moment
with Buffy going to Giles in the library and opening

(01:25:09):
up to him that this thing about her keeps ruining
her life. She can't make friends, she can't have a
relationship with her mom, she can't go to a new school,
she can't do anything. She can't walk down the fucking
street without this thing that she didn't choose, like, you know,

(01:25:31):
becoming the biggest part of her you know. And I
just think her vulnerability is so beautiful there. And then
like Giles hearing her in this new Like obviously Giles
is like a watcher, he understands vampires, but he's maybe
not as like he's not experienced with what's going on.
He's never like watched a slayer before, and like him,

(01:25:52):
hearing from her is just I think it's really powerful.
I also think it's such a fun way to tell
this story. Like we show Buffy awakening and becoming a Slayer,
but a jaded Buffy like Buffy who doesn't want to
do it anymore, I.

Speaker 1 (01:26:09):
Think is so awesome.

Speaker 2 (01:26:11):
Like and I know what they're doing, they're like, you know,
it's a sequel to something that was already made but
not really made.

Speaker 1 (01:26:18):
I think it's just really a fun way to tell
this story. And I allow that as because I've finitely
seen the movie once as a fan. Is it Kirsty
Aally's origin story in the movie, I think, so stop, stop,

(01:26:38):
are you messing with me? I was messing with you,
but I that was a genuine question. Yeah, I agree.
I think it's so many, so much media, and I
think it's smart because you know, we get the information
along with the lead character, but so much media is
person just like us introduced into magical world. Yes, but

(01:26:58):
having it be person jaded from magical world and wanting
to quit, I so agree, is really compelling and it's
fun to start it there.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
Yeah, I think it's awesome. So that part and also
that whole thing's your what's your best part? Girl?

Speaker 1 (01:27:18):
I have like abstract things that I'm like, Okay, is
that a part or is that just like what I
like about this show? What are you thinking? I like
the character of Buffy, But is that specifically this episode? No,
So I'm thinking I should think of like a moment
in the episode that showcase is what I like about Buffy.
I just I forgot that we do this bit and

(01:27:39):
I wasn't really thinking of it when I watched the episode.
I like Anthony Stewart heads audition scene, Giles and Buffy
in the Bronze. I like how it showcases Buffy wants
more than anything to be just like all the other
kids and enjoy her night the club, but ultimately she

(01:28:03):
can't not help people. Yeah, there's like a specific line
that I would have written down if I had thought
to that. I don't remember what it is, but she
expresses like I just want to have a night out,
and then ultimately the night out ends in her killing
board the barge. I just I think that scene is

(01:28:24):
very concise and very nicely done. Agree best joke? What
kind of name is Buffy? Hey Afrodija? Yeah, that's a joke. Rules. Well,
that's welcome to the hell Mouth Wow series wrap pilot
Down to the Health hell Mouth one hundred and thirty

(01:28:45):
something ago. I don't know how many episodes there in
the show Kills as well, two Kills down a document,
Hell yeah, two kills one app I've seen that video before,
so if you ever real, No, and I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (01:29:01):
I've heard someone and I don't. Someone has explained it
to me, but I never have.

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
Oh yeah, no, I know what happens, and that's why
I don't want to watch it. It's like human Centipede.
I've read the synopsis of the three movies. I'm not
gonna watch them all three Hell yeah, the third one's crazy.
I can't wait to hear about it. The second one. Honestly,
the second one is kind of fun. It's meta. It's
in the In the second one, it's a guy who

(01:29:26):
really loves the movie Human Cetupeed and he kidnaps the
actors from the movie Human Centipede and makes them into us.

Speaker 2 (01:29:38):
I love horror, I genuinely do.

Speaker 1 (01:29:40):
And I even like the Saw movies. I think those
are fun. You can't get me to watch those movies.
If someone's eating poop, I'm out. Oh, I'm out. I say,
what what the hell is this about? There's so many
things in the world to be eating. I know at
least Saw has like puzzles, at least he's created. At

(01:30:01):
least it's like a freaky Jeff Probst. What oh I
got cha. You know there's challenges, puzzles, puzzle I'm following.
So if you have thoughts about this episode about for
the Empire Slayer, you're gonna email us. Listen carefully for email.
It's gonna be unexpected for any new listeners. We set

(01:30:21):
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want to change email addresses. All of our accountsil link
to it, so our email is recovering Gleek at gmail
dot com because at the end of the day, we
will always recovering week will always be Greeks.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Recovering Gleek presents Sligh, a Buffy podcast, a queer buff
podcast and don't you forget it?

Speaker 1 (01:30:40):
And don't you forget It. You can find us on
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is it podcast?

Speaker 2 (01:30:48):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:30:49):
Podcast? It's podcast podcast. At RG presents Underscore Podcast. You
can join our Patreon if you want, Patreon dot com
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We got all kinds of movies. We got all high
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got ten Things I Hate about You. We've got Hunger

(01:31:09):
games and Catching Fire True, We've got another episode of
Buffy The vampires Layer. We've got a lot of stuff
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Onness for podcast. I actually don't know if you can
change a TikTok handle. I haven't even looked into it,

(01:31:31):
So we're gonna look at the we're recording this in
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for being here next week when we're talking about the Harvest.
That's what that episode is called. And love y'all, Love y'all.
Now we're going to do a shout out to our patrons.

(01:31:55):
Where do I do it? In the future, in the future,
in the past, So in the you know what I mean,
In the future's recording in the past released.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
But the next one's the past. And then you're listening
to this in the field, do you know what I'm saying?
So where you are now is the present. The past
is where we recorded this episode. Yeah, somewhere in.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
Between days of future past, days of future past is
where we're gonna be recording a shout out to our
page great film. Uh, so that's going in here. I'm
gonna do something a little special and very weird for
the shout out today. I'm just tired of this whole Like,
we just read the names thing and I was really

(01:32:37):
in my creative era composing the music for the jingles,
so I threw it together a little backtrack and I'm
just gonna make up a melody as we go, and
it's gonna be thrilling. Oh, here we go. Carat Best
was the podcast A big thank you too. In the
words of Beiance, bring the beat in. I'm gonna give

(01:32:58):
you my best. Bruce Springsteen, wish.

Speaker 3 (01:33:00):
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zeed In Donald five, Nikki Cowboy heard a Mouji brion
a JP, Tania Cappin, Shahanning.

Speaker 5 (01:33:12):
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Megan Henre, Meghan, Alexandra Khali and Dustins A Jayden, Paul Vicki, Killy, Jasmine,
Sophia Wilda Kasher Lane Diagonal Toast, Marry Kay Sperrisweed, one
of Three, Reagan Peepe Poo Poo, Joseph.

Speaker 3 (01:33:34):
Lo, Madeline, Lania, Alice plantin.

Speaker 4 (01:33:40):
DNA, fell on the Cook Killin.

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
Emy Qristian story on In Meloria, Medal Refaircus Jays came
every value of Missus, Tela Calin, Paintin, margretestinup Heli Husbiloya
Eva Haley, Emily Michelle, Jacqueline.

Speaker 4 (01:33:57):
Ladurey and Relis, Mommy Step Movie, b Cat, Charlie Kelsey,
Thomas Chucco, Brittany, Kenzie, Michael, Katie, Lizabeth, Pretty Allison. Thank
you for being and best brings the pookast. Oh my gosh,
I timed that perfectly.

Speaker 1 (01:34:16):
Wow. Thank you back to the show. Thank you, love
you all right, Thank you all for listening, Thank you
for being here.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
Thanks Gleeks for giving.

Speaker 1 (01:34:28):
Buffy a shot. If you are giving Buffy a shot,
I hope you enjoy it.

Speaker 2 (01:34:32):
We love it very much and we think you will
like it.

Speaker 1 (01:34:35):
So here is O guess are your whead if you
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(01:34:55):
friends please notice this joke. I forgot to mention when
Cordelia is talking about her mom's illness and says it
has to be chronic fatigue or something. I mean, nobody
cool has epstein bar anymore. I don't know what that means.
I think epstein bar is a form of herpes. Ah

(01:35:20):
Epstein bar virus is one of the nine known human
herpes virus types in the herpes family OWR MOM. This
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