BtVS S1E3 The Witch

Remember your one friend in high school who's parent was way too overbearing and controlling over their life? And remember that one time when their parent took up witchcraft and swapped bodies with them leading to a malicious Freaky Friday? And then their parent in your friends body tried to poison and then axe murder you? That's what this episode is.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Happy birthday. Yea happy feverday, toy birthday too, Yes, happy
birthday to you.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Happy birthday. That is something random that is on the random.
Any funny, Libya? How lucky are we? Life is such
a gift? Birthday? I mean it, girl, and I'm feeling gifted.

(00:35):
Happy birthday, Thank you. Recovering Gleek Presents a Queer Buffy Podcast.
Hello everyone, I'm Weena and I'm Ian and this is.

Speaker 3 (01:01):
A queer Buffy podcast. It's not my birthday, it's eanes
with you tomorrow. Tomorrow's Morrow's birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:10):
We are recording this truly so far in advance.

Speaker 4 (01:13):
Yeah, And just we were just chatting, we were doing
the Patreon pre show, and I just offhandedly was like,
you know what's so funny is by the time this releases,
the stuff we're talking about will be so far in
the past. And then I looked at my calendar to
see when this was releasing the day before my thirtieth birthday.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
So that was a jarring shock to my system. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
It really, I'm coming to terms with my mortality. I'm
looking for all the time in the face and I'm
saying step off, back up, sir.

Speaker 3 (01:45):
Shout out to girls who cry on their birthday? Do
you cry on your birthday?

Speaker 4 (01:49):
I have a really complicated relationship with my birthday because
I don't want to get my expectations too high, Like
I don't well, okay, let me we're gonna backtrack. Here's
the dilemma I have my birthday. I don't want to
feel like a burden to people. I don't want to
feel like you need to drop everything and do something

(02:12):
crazy for me. But also, if my birthday goes by
and it's not acknowledged, I will.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
Cry for the rest of the year.

Speaker 4 (02:20):
So I always am looking for a middle ground where
it's like, what's the way that we can acknowledge that
it's my birthday? I can feel special, but I don't
feel guilty that I'm like forcing everyone to give up
yes their lives for me today.

Speaker 5 (02:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:35):
I totally hear you. I think, especially the older you get,
the more it's like, oh shit, birthdays are on Thursdays.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Like people have my friends.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
Yeah seriously, And I totally I get that feeling.

Speaker 2 (02:48):
I totally do. I like to do ah.

Speaker 4 (02:50):
I honestly, recently, I've like lucked out that I've just had.

Speaker 2 (02:54):
Really fantastic birthdays.

Speaker 4 (02:55):
There was like the year we met the cast of
Survivor on accident. Such a good And then last last year,
I was in Honduras for work and we, like me
and some coworkers went kayaking and stumbled upon this hidden
beach that no one else was on, and just like
spent the birthday alone on the beach. I've had some
really cool stuff. So we'll see if thirty you can

(03:19):
compare to twenty nine. But hell, this is more than
a month away, I know, so I have I have
time to plan it, and I do have an idea
in mind of what I'm gonna do for my thirtieth.
But what I like to do normally is like you know,
like I'll go to Sheep's Meadow and it's like, hey,
I'm gonna be in Sheep's Meadow from like this time

(03:39):
to this time.

Speaker 2 (03:40):
You're all invited stop by when you can.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
I would just like like to see whoever is available,
and that way I get to see friends, I get
to feel special. But I'm not saying like, clear your schedules.
It's just like if you have like fifteen minutes to
stop by Central Park and say what's up, yeah, then
I will feel.

Speaker 2 (03:59):
Like my thirty years on Earth meant something, Yeah, I
hear you.

Speaker 3 (04:04):
Isn't that so funny? It's such a funny feeling to
I don't want to tell you even, like just telling
someone it's your birthday is like, so I'm not embarrassed
by that anymore.

Speaker 2 (04:14):
I love to say it's my birthday.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I said that to everybody, but like it's it does
feel embarrassing to like say it's my birthday. But then
if someone doesn't acknowledge it, it's like, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (04:24):
How rude are you?

Speaker 6 (04:25):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (04:25):
Absolutely, And that's the same thing is I hate nothing
more than talking to someone and then finding out later
that it's their birthday. It's their birthday, I'm like, oh, well,
now I'm being sent to hell.

Speaker 3 (04:35):
Honestly, I've heard you talk in the past that you
like check Facebook nearly every morning to like check birthdays.

Speaker 4 (04:41):
I don't know anyway, Moore, but there was probably a
solid year of my life where I went on Facebook
every day. And this is, you know, long after the
fall of Facebook, but I went on it every day
simply to check whose birthday it was, and then I
would get off, yeah, just to be prepped and ready
so that I didn't have that experience again.

Speaker 2 (05:01):
I hear you. I totally do. Oh, here we are.
I know that's awesome. It's just, you know, I like
my life. It's not what I thought it would be.
I hear you. I have not accomplished what I had

(05:23):
imagined I would have accomplished by this age, and that
is very And I do think that's like I'm not
special for feeling that way. I think that's like a
pretty human experience with aging. I think the.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
Majority of the people you would ask that question would
feel the same way.

Speaker 4 (05:38):
I know there's a reason that people turn forward to
have a midlife crisis, of course, but yeah, it's just crazy.

Speaker 2 (05:45):
I don't know. I have this thing.

Speaker 4 (05:49):
Not I don't not to turn this into like Ian's
therapy hour. I like the way that like, I like
my life. However, the way that I'm living is in
hopes that I will achieve something. And I don't know
why I'm beating around the bush as if this is
a secret. Hi everyone, if you're like nude to this

(06:11):
podcast and you just joined for Buffy. I'm an act
drama performer, so I'm constantly like auditioning and trying to
get jobs that way, and as everyone knows that means
that I'm not making a lot of money. I'm doing
a lot of gig work. I'm doing a lot of
like a living paycheck to paycheck, and so I like
my life, but also like, I don't want to be
living with four other people, you know, I don't want

(06:33):
to be constantly leaving home and going to different places
and like living out of suitcases all the time. And
I'm cool to be doing these things because like, this
is what you have to do. But it's what you
have to do in hopes that you will network enough,
you will work enough, you will get enough buzz going
that you can start having stable jobs that are paying better.

(06:54):
And literally every year, it happens around New Year's that
I'm like and I am in the exact same place
I was a year ago, and I'm continuing continuing whoa
continuing to live as if I was twenty two years old,
and yet I am now thirty years old. Oh mama,

(07:16):
it's in the words of Olivia Rodriguez. God, it's brutal
out here, you know, I hear you, Hey that being sad.
I have a good life, and I have a good time,
and I do fun things. These gigs that I do
are really exciting, and I get to travel to new
exciting places and meet new exciting people and have experiences.

(07:38):
So you can't have it all. You just have to
pick your poison. And I picked an interesting and differing
life over stability, and I have to I've made that bed.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
I need to lie in it. I hear you, Welcome
to your book.

Speaker 3 (08:04):
I do I understand where you're coming from, especially from
a money standpoint, and I can't speak to you know
what you experience that way, but I can tell you
that you know, you have accomplished so much and you
do so many awesome, amazing things, and I am really
proud of you for what you have done. And I
do think that I think, you know, shit is happening

(08:27):
for you. I see it, and I see how hard
you work, and I see you know, I just like,
I don't think that this hard work you're doing is
like going unnoticed and I don't think it's for not.
I think you're doing great stuff, and great stuff is
on the way for you.

Speaker 4 (08:45):
I you know, Thanks, bab. That's the other thing is
it's like I like the stuff that I'm doing. Yeah,
having a good time.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
Your Instagram looks like you're very, very very living it up.

Speaker 4 (08:57):
That's and I mean, obviously everyone's Instagram is a lot,
but I also it's less that the things I'm posting
that I'm having fun aren't fun. It's more that I'm
just not posting about the stuff that isn't fun. But
like when I'm posting that something that's fun, it genuinely
is fun. It's you know, it's just comparison as the
thief of joy, that old adage.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
I like, literally the other day was talking to this guy.

Speaker 4 (09:22):
And he is an attorney, you know, like has his
own place, level of the apartment, et cetera, et cetera.
And then he asked what I do for work, and
I was so embarrassed to be like, I'm a struggling
performer and I live with four people. But I told
him and he straight up was like, why were you
embarrassed to tell me that? And I did say I

(09:43):
was like, I just like, it feels insane that I
am at this point in my life and I'm still
like living like this and you know, struggling, And he
straight up he was like, I hate my job so much. Yeah,
And I didn't have the courage to like, find what
I was passionate about and go after so I gets
really cool.

Speaker 2 (10:01):
And that's the thing.

Speaker 4 (10:01):
It's like people, I am so envious of people that
have that stability, and then people who have stability are
so envious of people who are like living a maybe
quote unquote more exciting life.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
And it's we just we all want what everyone else course,
and you know, the grass is always greener.

Speaker 4 (10:19):
I totally yeah, hey, and hey, but hey this this
releases in over a month, so maybe by then, Yeah,
I'll have been discovered.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
I think.

Speaker 4 (10:31):
So I'll be I'll be Scrooge mcducking in a cool
full of golden coins.

Speaker 2 (10:37):
I cannot wait. It'll be incredible.

Speaker 3 (10:40):
Wow, it'll be the one with your own apartment, hating
your job.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
Well, Lena, how are you? I'm good? Like, yeah, how
am I? In a month? I'm really good. Heck, yeah,
you're also Screech mcducking in a pool of gold Corse
of course.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Absolutely, Oh my god, God, heaven even knows. Life I
mean in the States where we live changes so much
day to day I literally even hesitate to say anything.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Yeah, that's majorly true.

Speaker 4 (11:11):
I have truly had my life go from a living
nightmare to all my dreams coming true and vice versa
in a matter of twenty four hours.

Speaker 2 (11:18):
Isn't that so funny? Like life can really change like that? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (11:23):
I also, I mean, I just like have had such
every single day I wake up and I'm like, girls,
something has got to give, something has got to give.

Speaker 2 (11:32):
Yes, how much suffering must I face? Girl? I don't know. Oh.

Speaker 4 (11:38):
I also not to talk about the economic and political
state of the world right now, but I also every
time I go to the grocery store now and like,
and is this the last day I'll be able to
afford groceries? No, seriously, Oh my gosh, But we don't
need to talk about that. We're going to talk about
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. I'm turning thirty.

Speaker 2 (12:00):
World is on fire, and we're gonna talk about Buffy
the Vampire Slayer. Here we go, Oh my gosh, as
Gemini season.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
It's my twenty first have you Gemini season? My season
two fays? Okay, you said it, el, So we're gonna
talk about the Vivich by Robert Eggers, our favorite.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
Episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Wouldn't you like to
live deliciously? Wouldn't you Amy Madison went to Buffy and
she said, wouldn't you like to live deliciously? I have
some slacks. Oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 4 (12:39):
I have to warn you. They are few and far between.
The are not very interesting. I even went to multiple sources.
I went to Buffy WICKI yeah, I went to Buffy
Wiki and I was like, this is not enough, and
I started scouring other sources.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Here's a problem.

Speaker 6 (12:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:57):
You know, when Guy was airing, the internet was up,
the thriving, people were commenting, people were posting all of
like posting behind the scenes information. Nineteen ninety seven, everyone
didn't have a computer in their pocket. I'm not about
to go find a thirty year old copy of teen
Beat magazine to know about this episode. So we're working

(13:21):
with what we have.

Speaker 4 (13:22):
I will say I noticed today that Buffy wiki has
a kill count on it. I saw that too, So
we are able to fact check ourselves, and we have
so far been correct. But we don't have to do
this whole like, oh, I don't know how many kills
it's fully already someone has done that work for us.

Speaker 7 (13:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (13:38):
I think I think we should, like at least.

Speaker 4 (13:41):
No, I think we should try ourselves and then fact
check it because I yes, I agree, all right. That
being said, the Vivich everyone came out alive. Shout out,
Everyone's alive. That's true, Catherine. She might be trapped, but
she ain't dead. Mama is still her, still beating, breathing kids.

Speaker 3 (14:04):
I'm I don't know who I'm kidding imagining you.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Kid, that's her in the cheerleading statue. Okay.

Speaker 4 (14:12):
So the The Bitch uh is episode three of Buffy,
both of season one and overall.

Speaker 2 (14:20):
It was written by Dana Reston. It is the only.

Speaker 4 (14:24):
Episode of Buffy that she ever wrote, but she wrote
for other TV shows, mainly for The Nanny named fran.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I Woa.

Speaker 4 (14:34):
Me and my sister had a summer when we were
like probably eight and ten years old, respectively, where we
were obsessed with The Nanny.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
We watched it every day. Oh my god, missus Sheffield,
I love that show.

Speaker 4 (14:48):
My sister and I, me little eight year old is
spending my summer vacation watching reruns of The Nanny and
Golden Girls. And my parents really were like, look at
our heateroside actual sun that I was raising.

Speaker 2 (15:02):
You think they didn't know.

Speaker 4 (15:04):
I know for a fact they didn't know okay, no,
I've it's not you talk to him about it. I mean,
I this is a conversation that maybe needs to happen
off Mike just for my face, that's okay, But yeah,
it was not a situation where I came out and

(15:24):
it was like we've always.

Speaker 2 (15:25):
Known at all. Anyway, I love you Eileen and Ted,
they're the best. Okay, We're gonna lean and wants me
to call I Leen. And the story, the story. I
love stories.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
That's like my favorite part of any birthday is asking
what like their birth story?

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Do you know yours?

Speaker 4 (15:52):
The problem is we used to do it for everyone's birthday,
so I get the wires crossed, keeping like is that
mirrors and one of my siblings however, and.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
That's why I mean I lean on the phone.

Speaker 4 (16:01):
A through line of all of our birth stories is
my mom's reproductive system. Don't mess around when it says
the baby is ready, the baby is ready. Like the
constant theme is her getting to the hospital and being like,
I'm in labor, I need an epidural now, and the
doctor being like you still have a few hours and

(16:21):
she's like, no, you don't understand. And then the doctor
coming in and being like, you're too far along, we
can't give you an epidural. And she's like, what did
I literally say when I came in here?

Speaker 2 (16:30):
She's like, this is my fourth time around. I think
I know my body more than you do. Genius.

Speaker 4 (16:37):
Yeah, that's a constant theme. Okay, Eileen has been texted.
We'll see what she says. Please, I lean all right
back to slacks. The Vivich was directed by Robert Eggers,
but The Witch, the Buffy Vampire Slayer episode was directed
by Stephen Cragg. Shout out and it aired on March seventeenth,

(16:58):
nineteen ninety seven. And here's some fun facts. They're very,
very minor. As I've already warned you, this episode is
the first appearance of Amy Madison shout out to, played
by Elizabeth and Allen, who you may remember auditioned for
the role of Buffy. Other Buffy auditioners Christmas Carpenter who's

(17:22):
playing Cordelia, and Mercedes McNabb who played Harmony last episode.
And then we'll see a few more in the future.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I think I love that. I think it's very cool.
I like, you're not right for this role, but we're
a big show. Come on back later. I agree. I
really like that.

Speaker 4 (17:38):
Christmas Carpenter already had cheerleading experience because she was a
cheerleader for the Sandager Chargers in nineteen ninety one.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
And oh my god, the Chargers, rights, that's like a
big team. Wow. And I believe you, and I take
your word for it. I literally make dodge charger. I
think that's a cock. That's certainly a car. I don't know.

Speaker 4 (18:04):
I like basketball. I literally couldn't even tell you. I
couldn't tell you what sport the San Diego Chargers play.
I assume football, but I don't actually know. And then
our final slacked of the episode is team oh hell yeah,
and no one and no one can say I'm not
a jock. And my final slacked is in the German

(18:25):
language version of this episode, the lines her mom is
a real Nazi hile were replaced with her mom is
a real superwoman something like that. M okay, yeah, and
I hear that, and hey, that's it. I'm so sorry.
They not a lot of exciting stuff to report.

Speaker 2 (18:48):
The IMDb message boards weren't as active as they are well.

Speaker 4 (18:52):
Also, I don't know if you know this. I remember
when this happened. I was traumatized. The IMDb message boards
don't exist anymore. They wiped them on the internet. That
is years of my life. When I was watching Buffy.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
The first time I was on those message boards, I
was reading people's thoughts. Damn, I'm so sorry. They're gone
now and they're gone forever. Sure, now you'll have to
like troll Reddit.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
You on like R slash Buffy girl, I do love Reddit,
and that's why I love Reddit.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
You do, yes, read it. I genuinely do not know
how Reddit works. I'm on Reddit every day.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Really, what are you looking do you look at like
R slash Survivors looking at like.

Speaker 4 (19:39):
Yeah, we're at our slash Survivor, We're at r slash Glee,
we are at let me. I'm just gonna open Reddit
and I'll tell you like, what, Oh, we're on our
slash Broadway of course, of course.

Speaker 2 (19:50):
Are you looking at like, Am I the asshole? No?

Speaker 4 (19:53):
I I'm on Reddit for it to be fan experience,
the glow bowl water cooler, where we're all talking about
what we just watched on TV. Our slash Scream, our
Slash Rupulse, Drag Race, our slash Severance, Apple TV plus
our slash Marvel Studios, our slash Animal Crossing New Horizons Love.

(20:14):
These are our slash Lost Culturistas our slash And this
one's a bigger yes, nophilic esophagitis, which is a medical
condition that I have sometimes I gotta know if my
symptoms are bigger than that or because of another mysterious illness.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
R slash ibs.

Speaker 4 (20:37):
And hell yeah and hell yeah, don't don't go tucket
smack on Reddit to my face. I know that there
is evil out there. I know that there is evil
on that website. But there's also goodness, and there's also joy,
and there's also also empathy and humanity.

Speaker 2 (20:54):
I love that. Thank you, of course, and shout out
to Reddit, and shout out to Reddit. Do you want
a recap? I would love a recap. I'll give it
to you.

Speaker 3 (21:14):
Previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, it's cheerleading try out
week and Buffy can't resist but throw her pom poms
in the ring. Plus it might keep her out of trouble.
But weird stuff keeps happening. Girls are spontaneously combusting, losing
their vision, one of their mouths becomes not a mouth.
Buffy in the game the Gang suspect that good friend

(21:34):
Amy must be behind it. She must be practicing witchcraft
to survive her evil mom. Amy's mom, Catherine, was way
into cheerleading when she was their age and is putting
a lot of pressure on Amy to make the team.
She ends up making third alternate. Sorry Amy, Buffy gets
first alternate.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Things take a.

Speaker 3 (21:52):
Turn when Buffy gets really sick after joining the cheerleading squad.
Giles and Buffy go go to Amy's house during the
school day to meet Katherine, and they learn that there
is an extra freaky, scary, freaky Friday situation happening. Amy
has been Catherine the whole time. Giles does this big
spell to undo the freaky Friday situation, and then Catherine

(22:14):
vanquishes herself by some tricky mirror thing that Buffy does.
Amy is safe with her dad to be herself, and
Buffy is happy to not be on the squad. And
that's what you missed on Buffy.

Speaker 4 (22:24):
Yeah, I am really surprised that this episode came out
of March and they didn't save it for like a
Thanksgiving thing, because they do a body swap.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
I know, I was thinking the scene there's a.

Speaker 4 (22:37):
Whole I actually literally didn't clock that until you were
talking about it, and I was like, this is literally
a freaky Friday episode.

Speaker 6 (22:43):
No.

Speaker 3 (22:43):
I literally was so excited because I was like, oh
my god, we love freaky Friday.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
I love a freaky Friday. I think every show should
have a freaky Friday. I don't even care and Ceeah
should have a freaky Friday. Every TV show needs a
freaky Friday. Ya have a freaky Friday, And you and
I have Freaky Friday several times.

Speaker 4 (23:03):
And we have Freaky Friday several times, and we're better
off for it. Well, every Thanksgiving, everything fay with you.
I forget Friday with my mom. I forget Friday with
a bunch of people.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
See.

Speaker 4 (23:13):
And this is a very unique Freaky Friday because in
most Freaky Fridays, it's like you change bodies and you
learn to respect each other more, and in this one,
it's like you change bodies and you're like, no, my
mom actually is the devil herself and we need to banish.

Speaker 2 (23:28):
Her to hell. Oh seriously, you have a Freaky.

Speaker 4 (23:31):
Friday with someone and learn that actually your opinion of
them wasn't wasn't just correct, but wasn't strong enough.

Speaker 2 (23:39):
Yeah. Oh, my gosh, it's only happened to me once.
But it was tough. It was really tough. And then
of course you banish them to hell afterwards, and you
have to and you have you have to, you have to.
Most of the time.

Speaker 3 (23:51):
It's you know, you learn to work in each other's
shoes and see the way and see how hard you
have to work.

Speaker 4 (23:57):
Yeah, exactly, I say, with the joke comes from, No, Well,
what that joke comes from. What the jokes come from
comes from is the long cultural tradition of people swapping
bodies on Thanksgiving Day is where that joke comes from.
It's a cultural I mean, like, if you're an international listener,
you know you're not someone from a country that celebrates Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (24:18):
I understand how.

Speaker 4 (24:19):
You wouldn't know that, But like, if you are an
American or even a Canadian shout out, you may not
do it in November, but your body swapping in October
you Thanksgiving exactly, You Thanksgiving, have any Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I'm thankful to have my body back. Wow, I can't believe.

Speaker 3 (24:34):
That that's just a freely Friday. You really don't want to.
I mean, I don't know we're filming this so far
in advance in my mind. I hope we find new peeps,
but the Greeks will know. So just wait for the
Gleeks to tell you what you have always said.

Speaker 2 (24:51):
And by we I mean probably just be Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:54):
My dreaming that, my dream for this bit is that
people start associating Thanksgiving with body swapping.

Speaker 2 (25:01):
They genuinely do, and they don't remember why, and they
don't remember why. That's the goal here, that's the every
Thanksgiving them like it's Freaky Friday Thanksgiving exactly. It is,
No I do.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Actually, when I think of the movie Freaky Friday, I
am like, this is like a Thanksgiving.

Speaker 2 (25:22):
I know when is Freaky coming out? This is something
we should talk about.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Not Thanksgiving. I think it's the sometime this summer. I
don't know why they wouldn't do Thanksgiving.

Speaker 4 (25:32):
That's like, can you imagine they do like a sequel
to Santa Claus Is Coming to Town when it comes
out in June?

Speaker 2 (25:36):
Like, what are you doing? It's just silly, It's about
a holiday.

Speaker 4 (25:39):
Put it on the holiday. That's ridiculous. Well, Lena, what
did you think of Freaky Friday? Buffy the Vampire Slayer Edition?

Speaker 3 (25:49):
I love this episode and hell yeah, I love this episode.
The cat jumping out of the box. I genuinely squealed.
It was a very successful jump scare. I think the
way they tell this story is so exciting. Didn't you
get scared?

Speaker 6 (26:06):
No, I.

Speaker 2 (26:14):
Didn't know it was gonna happen. Then, hey, there's a lot.

Speaker 4 (26:16):
This episode has at least three different clips that are
in the opening credits continue.

Speaker 3 (26:25):
I was just that's okay. I was just like enraptured
by the episode. I had, you know, it was like
I loved the way they told the story. It was
like very scary. I had no idea. I you know,
I've watched this episode genuinely recently, and I was.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Like, what's gonna happen?

Speaker 7 (26:40):
Now?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
I was scared.

Speaker 3 (26:42):
I think it's also just a very successful Monster of
the Week episode. I think I love this episode. I
had a lot of fun. I loved watching Giles put
his little hands up and do witchcraft.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
I thought that was awesome. I loved it.

Speaker 3 (26:55):
I had such a fun time watching this episode. I
literally like was I like almost cheered to be an
episode was done. I was like, do you not like
it as much as I did?

Speaker 2 (27:04):
No, I love this episode. I thought it was great.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
Okay, It's actually I'm having beef with Buffy in that
every episode has been so strong that I'm like, and
what are we supposed to talk about?

Speaker 2 (27:14):
And what are we supposed to talk about? Can we
write a stinker? Please?

Speaker 4 (27:20):
And I mean, I know there are some stinkers, I
remember that, but oh no, I loved this episode. And
I do think the two part pilot is like, I
don't know, maybe stronger. But I think this episode something
that it does really well that the pilot is not

(27:42):
doing is supernatural stuff happening in such like ordinary teenage situations. Yes,
them concocting a potion in their chemistry class, Like, I'm
obsessed with that.

Speaker 2 (27:58):
That's so funny. You know me too.

Speaker 4 (28:01):
And you know the pilot has like Willow meets a
really nice guy and he intends to harm her. It
has like undertones of adolescent anxieties. This one is a
little ham fisted, but I love it the whole. Like,
you know how parents sometimes vicariously lived through their teenagers.

(28:23):
What if they actually literally lived through their teenagers and
they freaky fridayed them. I think the mother daughter plot
in this episode is so strong. And when I saw
that it was written by a woman, I was like,
and that checks out, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (28:37):
I love the parallels and the comparison is what I'm
trying to say, the comparison between the Joyce Buffy dynamic
and the Catherine Amy dynamic. And I think that is
a very common experience as a kid to see your
friend's parents and be like, why don't my parents do that?

(28:58):
And like, I wish that my parents did this more.
I had friends that I would be like, oh, their
parents are like huge goofballs, and like, I wish my
parents were a bit more of goofballs, or like their
parents let them watch all these kinds of movies, and
I wish my parents let me watch all these kinds
of movies, or like their parents seem to be getting

(29:19):
all these opportunities for them, and I wish my parents
did that. And then as an adult, I look back
and I'm like, and I'm so glad I had the
parents that I had and not the parents that they had.
I just think it's such a good lesson for growing
up of you're all only seeing your perception of someone
else's relationship, and then you're seeing the entirety of your

(29:40):
own relationship. So it's easy to just see the good
parts of theirs and just focus on the bad parts
of yours. But ultimately, Amy's mom is so hands on
because it's an extremely toxic relationship where she's trying to
relive her youth through her daughter. And yes, it's sometimes
a bummer that Joyce is not more aware of Buffy's life,

(30:02):
but like she's trying her hardest and has a genuine
interest in care for her.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
Daughter's well being. Yeah, I think this ebisode is great.

Speaker 3 (30:11):
I think this episode is so great and you're so
that was Like the big takeaway I had from this
episode is like a mother daughter relationship, Damn that shit
is complicated and you know there's always you know.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
You said, you said the best. Yeah, I'm not going
to regurgitate what you said. You said you sid it
great and.

Speaker 4 (30:32):
You can you'll add your own you'll add your own
perspective onto it.

Speaker 2 (30:38):
Anyway.

Speaker 3 (30:38):
No, I genuinely like the my favorite part of this
episode to reveal, My best part is after all of this,
Buffy seeing her friend Amy getting all this support she
perceives from her mom, but also then learning like at
the cost that comes from like at the cost of that,
like that Amy is just in a really tough spot

(31:02):
and has to like practice witchcraft to survive her mother,
Like it's just really tough.

Speaker 2 (31:06):
And then well, yeap, oh go ahead, I think you
were about to say this son, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (31:12):
But then like coming to an understanding and then seeing
her mom and asking her mom like would you like
trade places with me? And then her mom being like
even if it would, like help me understand you more?
Hell no, like no way, and Buffy being like, oh,
thank God, like thank you so much. You don't know
what you have just comforted me with, because that's so

(31:33):
I mean, I have seen people in my life and
young girls in my life who have really intense relationships
with their moms and they're there they can never like
live up to what their moms like want them to accomplish,
and like the pain that that comes with. And so

(31:57):
this is such a good example of the thing that
you mentioned where it's like this is a classic teen
problem set to the occult and also magic, Like it's
really it's really fun experiment and also really powerful as well.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Like I was so.

Speaker 3 (32:17):
Excited when I saw that, like Amy was like free
from the situation and like free to live with her
dad and eat what she wants and like be whoever
she wants to be. Like, that was such a satisfying
half hour for me to watch that, Like, oh my god,
that was so nice.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Yeah, I will fact check you. Oh what I say.

Speaker 4 (32:39):
Amy was not practicing witchcraft to survive her mom, Amy,
That's just what Buffy said. Amy wasn't practicing witchcraft period.
That was I know, but that's what Buffy thought.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
That's right.

Speaker 3 (32:50):
Yeah, because Buffy says Amy has to practice has to
practice witchcraft to survive her mom.

Speaker 2 (32:55):
I know that that's not what's happening, but yes, yeah,
And I think that's what makes especially this first season
of Buffy, when they don't have a million characters established
in a million plot threads established.

Speaker 4 (33:08):
I think that's what makes this show so special. In
no other TV show could you tell this very relatable
teen storyline but then be like, let's take it to
the next step where she's not living vicariously through her
she is living as her. I like, that's just so
fun and silly and such a fresh and exciting way
to tell this story.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (33:29):
And I want to talk about Catherine Madison. You're an
awful woman, but also you are the diva of buzz
I'm literally obsessed with.

Speaker 3 (33:40):
Her seriously, and she was also the beauty Queen. I
was obsessed.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
I was like, okay, Carla Gugino looking ass like, damn,
she is hot. I know, my gosh, Catherine, if you
weren't the devil, I'm pretty on Friday. He exactly, I
hate that you're abusing your daughter, but you're so.

Speaker 4 (34:05):
Hot, But like, I am so she it is. It
is one thing to freaky Fridday with your child.

Speaker 2 (34:14):
But she is.

Speaker 4 (34:18):
Acting like the way that during the cheerleading shyouts, she
is putting on a performance of you know, she knows
that Amy is a little bit shy and a little
bit like isn't into this. So even though she is
Carla Gugino Diva on the inside, she's putting on this
performance of like, h how do I hate this? Let
me count the ways I'm so shy. I don't want

(34:39):
to be here. And I love exactly she had written
a whole backstory for this character.

Speaker 2 (34:47):
I'm so obsessed improv queen.

Speaker 4 (34:51):
Also love love that Buffy catches her looking at a
picture of herself and her no and she's like, oh
hell yeah, here's a chance to tell this girl about
why I'm the motherfucking icon of Sunnydale, like.

Speaker 2 (35:08):
She, and no one has ever accomplished what she did
ever again, like she, she doesn't just say like, oh, yeah,
my mom was on the cheer squad and she was
really great.

Speaker 4 (35:18):
She's like she was on the cheer squad. She led
them to victory. She was the best mother ever. She
bought me everything I ever could have wanted, and she
also never gained a single pound while doing it. Like, Holy,
how this one is obsessed with herself.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Oh my gosh, it's intense. It's really intense, And honestly,
the show does such a good job at like revealing
that to you that it hasn't been amy the whole time.

Speaker 2 (35:47):
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Like, like I said, I've watched this episode recently and
I still was like, Wow, I'm really falling for this.

Speaker 4 (35:54):
I really wish I could watch it for the first
time again, because yeah, it is such a huge feel
that I've never There's a lot of episodes of the
show that I don't really remember, but yeah, Catherine Madison
being the diva and freaky Fridying has been stuck in
my head. I was gagged, I know, gagged seriously.

Speaker 3 (36:15):
And then also like the actress who plays Amy Catherine
Catherine Amy.

Speaker 2 (36:20):
You know, she does such a damn job are you
talking about I think we need it. I'm talking about
Amy Body, Amy Body, Amy Body, Catherine Body. Yes, it's yes, yeah,
I'm knowing about Amy Body. Yes, I agree.

Speaker 3 (36:34):
She does such a good job at like showing us
what Amy might look like, because of course it's not
Amy the entire time, but like we get a sense
and then we hear from Willow like who Amy has been?
Like Amy's gone through a huge transformation recently, and they
kin it to like a weight loss, and like you
know that her mom is being really intense with her,

(36:57):
so we get that. We get that, like she's different now,
but we get like a sense of what she might
be so that we do recognize it later. In Catherine Body,
it's very very smart, and the actress does such a
great job. She's like really freaked out by the cheerleader,
like who loses her her mouth, and like you know,
she is like on the top. It's and it's like

(37:19):
but I also see that she's acting on acting on acting,
like several stories are within her.

Speaker 4 (37:24):
She does such a good job, and that's why Katherine
Madison is a diva icon. She know she cast that spell,
and she knew Buffy is watching me, so I'm gonna
act gaged and googed, and she successfully threw them.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Off the set exactly.

Speaker 4 (37:39):
They're like, it can't be her, Catherine Madison, use this
power for good.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
You could change the world. You totally could go to
the bridway. But also the moment where she like falls
off of the pyramid and she like turns her head
really fast and like looks menacingly at the other cheerleaders,
I'm like, oh, oh my god, I'm obset comes in
with the with the I was scared. I was scared.
We have to talk about the acts, but I'm obsessed

(38:05):
with the first reveal.

Speaker 4 (38:07):
Scene when Amy body comes home and then we see
her act as Catherine for the first time, and she
is such a witch with a b in front, and
it's just exactly like you said, I think Elizabeth and
Allen does such an incredible job. She pulls off that
switch so well. She's fantastic, She's great, fantastic. It's a

(38:30):
very good performance.

Speaker 2 (38:31):
Amaze. I love I love that she tries to act
murder Buffy. Have you so scary? Have you ever wanted
to relive your glory days so bad that you were
going to act murder a teenage girl to do it,

(38:52):
like you know, I haven't. But that's called being a
woman with a goal.

Speaker 4 (38:58):
That's God forbade a woman have goal. See sheeo of
achieving your dreams. She's gonna ax murder someone. I also,
I think maybe my favorite Catherine moment in this episode
is when she forced chokes Xander and then just clocks
Willow like no magic involved, just punches her in the face.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Oh my god, crazy, it's someone get out of that figurine.
She has to come back. She has to come back.
She is an abuser, but god, she's a diva.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
But god, she is such a boss at doing it.
I know, I wish she would use her powers for good.

Speaker 6 (39:43):
Right.

Speaker 2 (39:44):
Oh my god, ceo, sheeo CEO of being an abusive
mom and looking like a diva while doing it.

Speaker 3 (39:51):
She is very beautiful, and I mean this show it
has such a satisfying ending because genuinely she is really
you know, she has locked her daughter away like in
the in the house. She's not allowed to talk to anybody.
She's not allowed to Oh my god, it's really sad,
and it has such a satisfying ending. And god, she's

(40:12):
so terribly evil, she's a diva.

Speaker 4 (40:16):
Obviously it's all heightened, which I love. Yeah, but it's
all also the type of things that that sort of
parent would say, Like sure, that sort of parent probably
wouldn't like ax murder someone, but her saying stuff like
I gave you life and you're just gonna sit around
and waste it.

Speaker 2 (40:36):
Like I know people.

Speaker 4 (40:40):
Who have parents outside of the kind of stuff all
the time that's basically like I gave up everything so
that you could have a life, and like what am
I getting out of it?

Speaker 2 (40:48):
Yeah, I think it's a very smartly I agree. I agree.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
And to hear it's written by a woman, is it's
not surprising. It's just such a fun way to tell
the story because even it's not even like fully revealed
to us what's actually happening until like closer to the end,
so like the journey that we go on, but even
still we know a little more than the scoobies. Like,
it's very it's very scary.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Yeah, And I want to talk about the Summer's House.
It's really well, I think it's really awesome. A I'm
trying to remember. I don't think I disliked Joyce, but
I was very much like I could take her leave.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Joyce is she my favorite character now.

Speaker 4 (41:35):
Likes I'm obsessed with her.

Speaker 2 (41:40):
I just like it really no, I literally, there's like
Joyce's very much Burt and Kurt on Glee. Yea, it's
very special to me that their relationship feels real and
that it's not this like dumb, idealistic they're best friends.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
It's like they argue a lot. Joyce says stuff that
is really hurtful. Sometimes Buffy is like so not seeing
where Joyce is coming from. But at the end of
the day, they both love each other, and even though
they are not seeing eye to eye, they are trying to, like, yeah,
respect and care for each other. And even moments like

(42:22):
Joyce's having that conversation where what she's trying to say
to Buffy is she's worried about her because she's got
in so much trouble in the past, and she's excited
that she's pursuing an extracurricular activity and that she like
thinks that's really great and exciting and like this is
something you're enjoy, you enjoy that will hopefully be a
good thing for you, but she accidentally words it in

(42:44):
a way that feels like she's antagonizing Buffy by being like.

Speaker 2 (42:48):
Oh, you always get into trouble.

Speaker 4 (42:50):
And I love that moment of reflection that Joyce has
where Buffy leaves and Joyce's like, wow, great parenting, Joyce.

Speaker 2 (42:57):
Yeah. I just moments like that I really really love
on this show. Like I screwed that up exactly. Yeah,
me too.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
I also like, I love my mom very much, but
the moment my mom comes to me and apologizes for
something that happened, I'm like, Okay, You're the best mom ever.
Because I feel like, sometimes you know, I mean, of
course I'm not a parent, but I feel as though
sometimes you know, you want to guide your kid and

(43:32):
you want them to like do their best. You don't
want them to burn down gyms anymore. Like what am
I trying to say? I just really appreciate seeing a
parent on TV say I'm so sorry, Like that is
not what I meant.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I love you. We're working through this. I'm still trying
to understand you. You're an enigma to me, and I'm
also going through this life with you and making mistakes
just like you are, Like, I just think that is
so amazing. And to see that juxtaposed with Amy's mom, Catherine.
It's to the point where Amy doesn't have agency over

(44:06):
her life anymore. She can't even live it. She is
locked in her house as her mom. She can't even
live her own childhood anymore. It's just such a special
thing to show these two relationships, and to show that
Buffy and Joyce aren't always getting it right, but they
are coming to it with respect and with care and
with love. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:24):
And it's also interesting, you know, sometimes Joyce is not
showing as much interest in Buffy's life as we would hope. Yeah,
but it's interesting that they compare that with but there
is a world where a parent is showing too much
interest in their child's life.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (44:41):
Yeah, Hey, And they also, you know, aren't excusing Joyce,
like it sucks that Joyce didn't even know what Buffy
was auditioning for because she was too distracted with other stuff.
I just think it's all really well done. Yeah, shout
out Joyce Summers.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
I love you for I love you forever. I love
you forever. Oh my god, I could literally crying speaking
of that scene.

Speaker 4 (45:02):
I this is something I'd love about this show, and
I wish more supernatural superpowered media would do this. I
love the moments when Buffy casually uses her slayer powers.
I love Joyce is trying so hard to get that
box open and being like, could you lend me a hand?

Speaker 2 (45:19):
And Buffy just comes in with one hand, rips it
open and move doesn't even notice all the all the
like nails are like pulled up as well. She's strong
as buck, which leads me to think there's no way
she couldn't have closed that door last week. Oh no, totally, absolutely, absolutely,
Oh my god.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
I also love that the slayer powers make her the
only person who knows how to act in a crisis.
Was about seriously.

Speaker 2 (45:50):
Hands of course, hands hamber, flame, hands hamber like she's
fully on fire, and it was like, oh my god,
what do we do?

Speaker 3 (45:58):
And then Buffy has to move people out of the
way and then tackle Amber to the ground, like this
girl is fifteen sixteen she is? Why is she sure
shouldering this burden?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
That was crazy to me because at no point did
she use any of her superpowers. No, like, she just
is the only one who knows how to act in
a crisis.

Speaker 4 (46:19):
And I mean I understand, sometimes something scary happens and
you freeze, but like no one ran to get help,
Like no one did, no one did anything. They just
stood and stared. Buffy had to go rip a curtain
off a wall.

Speaker 2 (46:38):
I don't know. I feel like it's pretty common sense
that you can smother a fire. I think these students
at Sunnydale High.

Speaker 4 (46:45):
It's a good thing Buffy's there, because even if there
weren't vampires and witches, they would still be a danger
to themselves.

Speaker 2 (46:53):
They should be so lucky. They have no idea how
to handle any sort of crisis.

Speaker 3 (46:57):
My work is so amazing. And she's so sweet too.
She's like holding Amber and she's like, it's gonna be okay,
It's gonna be okay. You're okay, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (47:06):
And even when she's talking to Catherine Body Amy and
Amy Amy Spirit, Katherine Body is like opening up to
Buffy about what's happening. And Buffy is fully a death store,
sick as a dog, like really going through it, and
she still is like holding her hand and like listening
to her and like holding that space for her. I'm like, Buffy,

(47:28):
you are the best person alive.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
I seriously, I love her so much. I Jesus Christ.

Speaker 4 (47:35):
And they when the cheerleading list comes up and she
and Amy didn't make it, and she's talking to Amy
body Catherine, Yeah, but she's talking to her, and is
you know, Buffy also wanted to be a cheerleader.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Her number one concern in this moment is making sure
that this girl how important it was, okay exactly, And
she's like, I know this thing that's important to you.

Speaker 4 (47:57):
Let's hang out, Like, come over to my house. We'll
eat your favorite exactly. That's the other thing, is she
she remembers. This is literally a Buffy fancast. We're just
talking about how she's the best girl ever. She remembers
something that Willow told her about Amy, and so it's like, hey,
let's hang out. I know you like brownies, Let's eat
brownies this weekend instead.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
She's the best.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
She is the best. However, how did she not make
the cheer squad? I'm calling bowl on this. She literally
has superpowers. Yeah, and part of these superpowers is that
she like does a bunch of flips. She didn't make
the cheer squad. Also, she made the cheer squad at

(48:39):
her old high school in Los Angeles. Not to hate
on Sunnydale, but they are constantly rubbing in our faces
that it's a very small town with not a lot
going on. So how was she good enough in LA
but not good enough in Sunnydale?

Speaker 2 (48:54):
Here me out. I don't know the answer to that question.
That I appreciate.

Speaker 3 (49:00):
She ate that she doesn't make the cheer squad because
it sends me the message she is as regular as
can be. I like that, But I hear where you're
coming from, and I don't have an answer to that question.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
She didn't do any flips in the audition, and why not?
We didn't see her audition, did we? And the tryout
it is called.

Speaker 3 (49:22):
Oh no, I think individual tryouts got uh like postponed because.

Speaker 4 (49:28):
I don't think I saw it. I'mying, I don't think
we saw it. Yeah, she just did the group portion.

Speaker 2 (49:34):
Well and she was fine in that. Yeah, I don't know.
I'm calling ball, I'm calling bull. It was a lawless land.
There was no adults around. It was just one senior girl, Like,
who was it running that squad with an iron fist.
I know she was also a diva.

Speaker 4 (49:50):
She is, she's that's a little Catherine Madison in the making.
Oh yeah, she really said.

Speaker 2 (49:55):
And in twenty years I'm going a Freaky Friday with
my daughter to relive when I was the ruthless dictator
of the sunny Dale High choosing always repeats it, it does,
I'm telling you, dang.

Speaker 4 (50:07):
There was also an insane amount of acro at that
cheerleading tryout. And I saw the routine they were doing
in the basketball game. No acro in sight, So what
was that about. There's that girl. She was like a
circus performer, walking on her hands and the splits. Why'd
you to be doing all that? All they did was

(50:27):
raise their arms and spell some words. Goodness sakes, it
was insane.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
I hear that dance they did do though at like rehearsals,
and then they did on the sidelines. I was like, okay,
this is cute. The choreographer they got.

Speaker 4 (50:43):
Is like, this is cute us saying that they're auditioning
to be on the cheerleading team and that.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
They're going to rehearsals. Can you tell that we didn't
do sports and we didn't leater? Sorry? And when they
went on and they did a number at inn mission
too of the big basketball game, they did a great job.
They did a great job. This is so funny.

Speaker 3 (51:06):
I mean, it's all the same thing, but we just
have such opposite words for it. It just it doesn't compute.

Speaker 2 (51:12):
To me on the other side of the coin.

Speaker 4 (51:15):
It's like when people are going to rehearsal for a
show and they say they're going to play practice.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I love saying play practice practice. I still like to
say that.

Speaker 4 (51:23):
I mean, as a kid, we called it play practice,
of course because we were because we were in a
red state. But we were in a red state. And
in a red state, it's play practice in a blue state.
Maybe you're going to rehearsal here in a red state,
it's play practice. And I'm going to use the bathroom
during halftime of the show. Exactly. Sorry, guys, I can't

(51:44):
where I was raised. What next, we can talk about Zillow,
which is what I decided to call the Xander Willow plotline.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
I yeah, let's do it all right. My favorite Xander
will moment is a obviously when Xander gets force jokes. No,
the force choking is fine, it is the full fist hunch.
That's my favorite moment. That's so awesome. It's crazy. Why
didn't you just force Choko. Both. We love coming up

(52:17):
to the body Amy being like I can help you
with your spells.

Speaker 3 (52:23):
And like fully like she does not know how to
be covert at all. She is so nervous. And then
I also love both of them coming in after Buffy
has saved the day Buffy and Giles have really like
killed this and both of them at different times coming
in with like sticks and weapons to like kick ass.

Speaker 2 (52:42):
I'm like, all you bore things good for you. I
love that. Helly yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
We also have lots of Xander pining for Buffy this episode.

Speaker 4 (52:53):
Yes, this is the establishment of our central love triangle,
which is Xander Love's Buffy.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
I love Xander, Yeah, and Buffy loves.

Speaker 4 (53:03):
Slaying and but and Buffy loves to slay, Bummy loves
to slay. I don't dislike this, I just as you know,
not a love triangle. Boy, I don't. They're not what
I'm watching a show forever. Yeah, So, I like frankly

(53:24):
don't care who any of them ends up with. I'm like,
there's literally someone's freaky frightening their daughter. There's a bigger
fish to fucking fry. You're just like Buffy that I'm
here to slay. I'm not here to go on a
date with you. Alexander Harris and Willow get over it.
Maybe take a look inward before you commit to Xander.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
And that's all I'll say about that. Hey, sometimes it
takes time. Sometimes it takes time. And I hear that,
and I honor her journey. I but I do. It
does also speak to I feel like this is like
Biger relationship. We girl friendships are always difficult, and I

(54:09):
feel like, you know, this speaks to a high school experience,
and I I don't mind seeing it. I Also, I'm
a big romantic, so I'm always thinking about Yeah, I'm
always thinking about the love triangle of doll.

Speaker 3 (54:21):
But I do agree. I love that Buffy. It's like
she doesn't even notice Xander literally gives her a bracelet
that says like yours always or something.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
What does it say? I like that, something like something
like that, something devoted, something intense.

Speaker 4 (54:38):
It says I, Alexander Harris AM deeply in love with you,
Buffy Summers, And He's like they all just came like that.

Speaker 2 (54:44):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
And then the moment of Buffy being like high under
a spell and being like Oh, Xander, I love you,
I can trust you, and you're just like one of
the girls, like in the devastation that Xander feels about that.
I think I have noticed that in people in life.
And it doesn't like it's you know, it's good. I'm
just like, it's not. It's never been my thing. Here's

(55:09):
a freaky forky for anything happening, but I'm not gonna say.

Speaker 4 (55:12):
And also, I think, at least in my memory, why
love triangles bother me so much? Is I feel like
on the TV shows they are on, they take up
so much plot relevance where I'm like, are we insane?
We're on a deserted island and God himself is here
and is trying to kill us lost, Like why do
we care so much about who Kate is going to kiss?

Speaker 2 (55:35):
But in my memory in Buffy, Kate is going to kiss.

Speaker 4 (55:39):
In my memory of Buffy, the love triangle aspect continues
to play out, but I feel like it's never overshadowing
the other stuff, And so like, I don't actually have
I don't have a complaint with it.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
And I was a teenager once.

Speaker 4 (55:54):
I have been in those situations where your friend has
a crush on you and you don't feel the same way.
And you have a crushing friend and they don't feel
the same way, and it's like a weird awkward like
it's one thing to have a crush. It's just like
Kimberly Akimbo exactly gay straight gay straight, but it is
it's one thing to have a crush. Unlike your classmate.

(56:14):
You're like, oh my gosh, they looked at me. I'm blushing.
It is completely different to be like, I have an
established friendship with this person, and what is that line
where I want us to be something more? But then
I also don't want to ruin the friendship and I
don't want to make them uncomfortable. And then also I
have an established friendship with this person and I can
tell that they have feelings for me, but I don't

(56:35):
feel the same way, And what is that line? And
should I address it? How do I discourage it? Like
I've lived all those experiences. They're all very high school
and I think they should be in this TV show. Yes,
doesn't mean I'm like chomping at the bit to see them,
but they should be present.

Speaker 3 (56:52):
I hear you, I hear you. Oh God, being a
teenager is so crazy. I feel like I'm still in
love triangles today.

Speaker 2 (56:59):
Just kidding. Yeah with who well you and me were
in I love Tragle once. That's true. We did date.

Speaker 3 (57:09):
Who's the other Birdson? We were love triangle with I
can't remember there Matt Bomer, Matt Boomer. Yeah, it was
like a Matt Bohmer loved you thing, you loved me thing?
I love Matt Boehmer thing. Yes, it was crazy.

Speaker 4 (57:23):
And he was like, I'm gay and I was like,
I'm still straight for a few more years.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Did you see they redid the festival housing.

Speaker 4 (57:37):
Yes, I did, And I said, Matt Bohmer did not
have sex in that apartment for you to completely wipe
it out of one just joining us.

Speaker 3 (57:48):
I lived in those apartments for years, for years. I
know I was sad to see it, but I'm excited.

Speaker 4 (57:54):
And those old apartments should have been condemned. But also
they had so much spirit and they had so much
story them. So Lena and I worked at a theater
for a few summers that the company housing like had
not been touched since the eighties, And we know that
Matt Boehmer worked there in the past, and we also
know that apartments was living those apartments and dating someone

(58:19):
that we know, and so we had a running joke
every part we went in that would be like, do
you think that Matt Bohmer and redacted had sex in
this apartment and they recently gutted the apartments and remodeled them,
So now Matt boemer sperm is gone.

Speaker 2 (58:34):
Gone, it's gone. It's probably such a handsome sperm too, girl, devastating.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
The thing was that the couches were, I'm telling you, guys, disgusting.
They were built into the wall and like they had like.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Church pews too. They were like church pews.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
They were built in the walls, and they had these
like terrible cushions that were so scratchy, oh my gosh,
and they totally they soak up sperm like crazy.

Speaker 4 (59:00):
Yeah, we know from experience because we were dating at
the time. We were and that was and that was
our That was our Buffy Xanderwilla situation. Exactly real. We're
past that, we're adults and we can host.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Our podcast in peace. Yeah, I mean we had to
cut Matt Bomer out. We couldn't relationship. He was too obsessed.
He was too obsessed, and he was like you and
I were friends before Yeah, there was, there was a
relationship built off with Matt. It was just about sex,
you know.

Speaker 4 (59:32):
And then it's like, if the sex is gone, what
is the relationship based on nothing?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
We had nothing in comment, like were we having threesomes?
I don't know. I blocked it out. Crazy. No, it
was such a crazy time, you know, when we were
going crazy.

Speaker 4 (59:54):
It's it's called being young, it's called living your life.
It's called and enjoying you. Sorry that I'm third years old,
that I can't live like this anymore. God forbid a
girl grows up, God forbid, God forbid. I be young,
dumb and full of a spirit of adventure and wanting
to try new things.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
We've been nasty on this podcast. He really fast, which
is so funny.

Speaker 4 (01:00:19):
All right, I do need us the bathroom, shouldn't you
take a break?

Speaker 2 (01:00:25):
And when we come back, I will.

Speaker 4 (01:00:26):
Be switching where I'm recording from because my computer is
about to die. Slay, slay, So something I want to
How do I want to phrase this?

Speaker 2 (01:00:41):
How do I want to get into this?

Speaker 4 (01:00:42):
I have like a thought that I want to share
that I felt like I had to lead up to
the thought and now I think this this moment of vulnerability.
I'm having as good enough lead up as any which
is I think it's hilarious that Cordelia Chase known Willow
Rosenberg hater. Yeah walk except to Willow during the cheerleading
tryouts to talk smack about Amber. The one thing that

(01:01:05):
is stronger than her hate for Willow Rosenberg is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:07):
Her love talking exactly. Gossiping is sisterhood to her. She
will gossip with anyone, and that's the thing that I
love so much about her. Nothing brings people together like
a common enemy. Yeah, and she'll make a common enemy
out of anything. Anybody flaming Amber Amber, Hey, I love that.

Speaker 3 (01:01:31):
I also love when uh, when body aby like hits
Cordelia in the what are they doing?

Speaker 2 (01:01:39):
A wheel? And she's like, you saw, that wasn't my fault.
I was doing great. It wasn't my fault. I was
doing great.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
I have a question about what the spell was that
Cordelia was under because m M miss girl in chemistry
very clearly like she didn't have a mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:01:56):
She had no mouth, Yes, that's very obvious.

Speaker 4 (01:01:58):
And Cordelia obviously becomes blind, that is the end result.
But what was going on where she was like sleepwalking
but then she was sleepwalking, which led me to believe, Oh,
she's fully out of it. She's like a puppet right now. Yeah,
but then when she's driving the car, she has the

(01:02:21):
wherewithal to be screaming and be emotional. Yeah, then that
felt like she wasn't sleepwalking. I was confused as to
what the steps of that spell out.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
That's a good question.

Speaker 3 (01:02:31):
I'm not sure, but I mean, what we know, at
least from Buffy's experience, is that it was one thing
and then became something like kind of opposite. And I
don't know what that means for Cordelia, like sleepwalking and
then losing her vision. I'm not sure, but it was

(01:02:55):
kind of a two parter with Buffy.

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah, well Buffy's was.

Speaker 4 (01:02:59):
It is a blood spell that when it hits you,
it is as if you've taken because it's poisoned. So
it's the same thing that alcohol does, which is poison
which is it makes you feel drunk. So like she
just got mass poisoned and she felt really drunk, and
then when the drunkenness failed faded away, she suddenly got
the world's worst hangover that was.

Speaker 2 (01:03:18):
Going to kill her. Yeah, I'm in there, Hey, but
with Cordy she started lethargic.

Speaker 4 (01:03:28):
And then was it like a mental blindness that then
shifted to her eye.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
She was like losing sense of the world.

Speaker 4 (01:03:37):
Yeah, and then it like ended up being sucking, concentrating. Yeah, yeah,
I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:03:46):
I don't know. I'll have to call up Catherine Madison.
I got to get that cheerleading trophy and say, hey,
got a question for you girl, What do you do.

Speaker 3 (01:03:55):
When a girl in science class her mouth became not
a mouth? Of course, what would the two parter be there?
Like maybe she like couldn't talk all day. See, that's
what's confusing is there didn't seem to be a two
parter her.

Speaker 2 (01:04:08):
But I mean, we don't know her. We don't know, true,
I'm not I'm not really friends with her. I haven't
been following what she can do. You know, what's she
up to? I gotta keep up with her more.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Maybe she like couldn't taste anything. Oh yeah, she kept
being like the lunch today is so bland, and everyone's like,
what are you talking about? It's the most delicious lunch
we've ever had in the history.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Yeah. Literally, And then they went, you need to go
to the hospital. Your mouth is about to become not
a mouth. This happened when her mouth became not of mouth?
What do you think what happened?

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
Did they I'm sure it was reversed, but like, did
they like send her to the hospital.

Speaker 4 (01:04:47):
Like, yes, So she went to the hospital and some
they pulled out a scalpel and they just cut her
a new mouth. I know, your mouth cavity is still
in there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:58):
It's yeah. So she she's got a she's got a
dark knight joker situation going on now. Ah, I hear that.
Hey yeah, But I mean if the spell was reversed,
I mean, did they reverse all the spells? No? They
probably did they. Giles does mention that he's reversing all
the spells, and he was like what does he say?

(01:05:20):
He like puts his hands up.

Speaker 4 (01:05:21):
I was like something about like sending them to galle
and some other made up God.

Speaker 2 (01:05:29):
Yeah, it's awesome.

Speaker 3 (01:05:32):
I was like, oh my god, Giles, you're kind of
you're kind of a witch. It's awesome. And then he
says it's his first time like casting spells. I was like, wait, Giles,
I think you got a knack for this.

Speaker 4 (01:05:40):
King Seriously, maybe study this. You could be a Warlock
Baby also good for you. I love Giles.

Speaker 3 (01:05:46):
I also I loved Giles so much in this episode,
like he was just a sweety sweetie to me, like
him carrying Buffy around and being so concerned.

Speaker 2 (01:05:54):
I was like, oh wait, I love you, Giles. I
would do anything for you.

Speaker 4 (01:05:58):
I was thinking that watching this episodiode. Buffy does a
very good job of having this male authority figure. He
constantly hang out with his teenagers, and at least in
my memory, it never being creepy.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
No, I don't think so.

Speaker 4 (01:06:14):
And I think part of the reason is that he
gets annoyed with them so frequently, and so it's like, Okay,
nothing suspicious is going on here.

Speaker 2 (01:06:21):
He's giving father figure to them. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
It strictly comes across as paternal and nothing like weird
or too much. Yes, because it's it is insane that,
Like I mean, in the future of the show, there
are like other adults that come into Giles' life, but
mainly he is exclusively around these teenagers.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
But I always feel safe with him. And I'm a
big Jils fan me too, Giles.

Speaker 3 (01:06:49):
I so agree, And that's something it doesn't even like
ever cross my mind. Yes, Oh, my god, Giles, you're
coming in to save the day. And also, you're so right.
He is so annoyed with these kids.

Speaker 2 (01:07:00):
And I honestly think that's a big reason it works. Yes,
he's like, oh my god, we're doomed, Like these kids
are going to be crazy. It's like Buffy the team
I have.

Speaker 4 (01:07:09):
I guess you literally have so much responsibility to save
the world. You cannot be a cheerleader. You've got to
be kidding.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
The reveal of him being like, I cannot believe you
are putting the world in joining a cult.

Speaker 3 (01:07:22):
Yes, and then her she's like, you don't like the
color that is the one of my Oh my god,
so damn funny.

Speaker 2 (01:07:30):
You're telling me you didn't squeal out the cat jump scare. No,
I'm so sorry.

Speaker 4 (01:07:34):
I wish really, you know what I did squeal at
mmm diva mother Catherine Madison getting blasted by her own
spell and turning white and putting her arms up, because
that's my favorite part of the opening credits, And I
was like, and there she is, and if she could
only be in this episode, I'm glad that she's in
every episode of the seasons credits. I love and they
just are like, oh my god, who as she's getting

(01:07:56):
blown back. In the opening credits, it's strays the cheerleading tribes.
At the beginning, it says welcome to the nineteen ninety
six cheerleading tryout, which means that Buffy is a period piece.
It is taking place the year prior to when it aired.
When Love when body Amy is staring at a picture

(01:08:21):
of Catherine when she was in high school, and Buffy
walks up, and body Amy is like, that's a picture
of my mom in high school. She was the head
of the cheerleading squad. Buffy's response is in like the most,
the most, just like white teenage girl, way, get down
with your bad self. And I remember one of the

(01:08:44):
friends in high school that I tried to get to
watch Buffy, one of the ones that I was unsuccessful.
She sent me a video of that scene and was like,
is this show for real? She was so just like
what on earth?

Speaker 6 (01:08:58):
What?

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
I love that? Get down with your bad self? Get
down with your bad self.

Speaker 7 (01:09:05):
Oh.

Speaker 4 (01:09:05):
And then my final thought is Driver's ed in school
is very much like the rope climbing gym to me,
where I'm like, does this happen? Did you have drivers
at in school.

Speaker 2 (01:09:23):
Yeah, I did not, And I know one that I
knew did. When did you do drivers? I didn't? Who
taught you to drive?

Speaker 6 (01:09:35):
You?

Speaker 2 (01:09:37):
You didn't do drivers? I'm serious, I did. I'm serious,
I did not. I'm completely So did you learn the laws?
I studied a manual and then I had to take
a written test to get my permit. No way, who's
a I know? I actually the first.

Speaker 4 (01:09:58):
Person, the the first person to teach me to drive
was a senior at my school. We were at a
cast party and she said, do you want to drive
my car? Lord, don't tell me that. We just drove
around a parking lot, but that is when I first drove.
But no, I like had a manual that I had
to read to learn the laws. And then I went

(01:10:19):
to the DMV and I took it wasn't written with pencil,
but I took a test on a computer. And then
they're like, great, you have a learner's permit. You have
to log this many hours of driving in the next
six months with a person with a license driver. And
then I came back in six months and I got
behind the wheel with a dude and I drove around
and parked and did all that stuff and got my license.

Speaker 2 (01:10:41):
Okay, we did.

Speaker 4 (01:10:43):
I mean maybe drivers that existed, but it was not
at school. It was like some other It was not
like during the school day a class that you took.
Maybe it was an after school thing that I never
heard about. I don't know you.

Speaker 3 (01:10:57):
Yeah, we definitely had it during school. I ended up
taking it. I knew people who took it in school.
I took it during the summertime, just because that is
when it made sense for me to take it with
how old I was and my permit and everything. So
I got my permit first, and then I took the
class and it was like, I don't know, a couple

(01:11:17):
of weeks, and then we went driving as a group,
like I went with people in my neighborhood like during
this course, and it was a school of course. It
was like a teacher who was doing it with me,
and then he signed off on giving me my license
and then I could take that to the DMV and
then get my license.

Speaker 2 (01:11:36):
Well, yeah, get down with your bad self. Get down
with your bad self. That's so interesting. Learned some things
every day. I didn't realize the driver's ed was incredibly
normal for everyone. Yeah, very normal. My school had a
bunch of cars that were like people would donate fo
drivers out dang cool. Yeah, well that's the Vivich shout out,

(01:11:58):
shout out.

Speaker 4 (01:11:58):
Next week we are doing listener thoughts, so if you
got listener thoughts, send them Recovering Gleek at gmail dot com.
Next week's episode will just be dedicated to that.

Speaker 2 (01:12:10):
Woo woo.

Speaker 4 (01:12:10):
I was gonna say shout out again and I said,
enough's enough. We have to stop saying it.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Yeah, I was getting annoyed. You were like, and that's
one too many. I'm quitting.

Speaker 4 (01:12:19):
And then in two weeks we'll be talking about episode
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Ha Hey, it's in from the future. As part of
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So I did throw another little song together. Cat promise
that this will be a normal thing, but for now
we got another one, and fair warning, this one is

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Speaker 7 (01:15:25):
Please.

Speaker 2 (01:15:26):
All right, we got Eileen on the mic Storylia was born. Yeah, okay,
I think I should give an edited version of that
because that was much love so long, Eileen, You've got
the gift. I love the gift of the gab. She's
a storyteller, so she wants she wants the background. You
have to understand the whole story. And she's she said,

(01:15:47):
on taking a note out of Buffy's book, I'm building
a world here. I loving the world.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You're gonna get information on all the side characters as well.
The long and short of it was my mom and
had bad experience and says with the doctors who delivered
the two siblings before me. They didn't believe her of
how fast she went into labor, so they didn't give
her epidurals in time, and so she had to give

(01:16:12):
natural birds when she didn't want to stuff like that.
So she got a new doctor who was a lady
who actually paid attention to what my mom said and
believed her. And I was supposed to be induced, and
so they induced my mom and she still wasn't going
into labor, and so she had to walk around the
hospital a bunch of try and induce labor, and it

(01:16:32):
still wasn't working. And then she started having contractions and
they put her on a Potosuin drip and within and
give her an epidural shutout. And within forty five minutes
of putting her on the potosin drip, I was born. Because,
as she said, her labor is incredibly fast. They put
her on the drip and one of the nurses my

(01:16:54):
mom was like going into labor, and one of the
nurses called the doctor and was like, you need to
get here right now. And the doctor was like, that's impossible.
She just started and the nurse like, you need to
get here right now. And the doctor pulled up and
within fifteen minutes I was out and had been born.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
And your dad, being like, we're gonna have to pay
them for the whole.

Speaker 4 (01:17:12):
Thing, was like, we had to pay her all this
money to leave here for fifteen minutes. And then the
other the other stick of my dad's cra is that
they the insurance is gonna pay for three days in
the hospital for my parents. They're supposed to get a
great big dinner. But a pediatrician saw me and was

(01:17:33):
like he has It was the next day and they
were like, he hasn't pee yet. I don't think there's
an opening in his penis. I have made an appointment
with the urologist. You have to go with stat this
is a health hazard. And my dad didn't believe the
pediatrician and he was like, that's literally impossible. He would
not have made it this far if that was the case.

(01:17:55):
But the appointment was exactly they made. The appointment was
already made, so they had to leave the hospital on
day two. They missed the entire dinner. My mother, having
freshly birthed me, is having to like walk around with
me to this urologist. I pooped on her front. Shout out, diva,
move from me. They go to the zeurologist. The urologist

(01:18:19):
echoes what my dad said, where he's like that's literally insane.
He's like, I'll still check because you're here, but like
that's ridiculous, and he said the only way for me
to check is to put a catheter in, and my
mom said it was very clear that he did not
want to do it, but it was like, this is
what I'm being hired to do, and so shout out,

(01:18:41):
I'm a real one, less than I had a catheterin
and I did have a urethra, and that pediatrician was
full of shit. So I entered this world being generally traumatized,
and I intend to leave it the same way book ends.

Speaker 3 (01:19:01):
Or he's such like he's such like a fellow for you,
such like a fellow, and he was born with the
whole inn Penis