BtVS S2E10 What's My Line Pt 2

A little rivalry can push you to be better, and help you thwart the ancient ritual that's going to kill your undead boyfriend

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Ah should do this again?

Speaker 2 (00:06):
And the man, I think that that's the less good
our house song. I think the better our house so is.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
Our house is very very very fine us with two
cats in the yard. Life used to be so hard.
Now everything is easy because of you.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
What is this? Well the A'll Crosby, Stills, Nash and whatever?

Speaker 3 (00:33):
The hell?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
You couldn't tell by my face I didn't know that song.

Speaker 2 (00:36):
You you have heard, don't.

Speaker 1 (00:39):
I don't know that song Crosbie, Stills, Nash and Young.
I think I'm playing out investigative journalism.

Speaker 2 (00:46):
I can't believe you couldn't tell from me singing though.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Well, I don't think I've heard it. I'm now, I
am now. Now you're confirming confirming that I haven't heard it. Well,
I've just blessed you. This is one of the most
lovely songs ever. This is very lovely. Wait a second, yeah,
I'm still's a Nash. You're kind of onto something with this.
I know. Matt is be damned, man is b damned?

(01:11):
Our house blogs are Crosby, Still's a Nash and Young?
Don't you forget and Young? Sorry? This YouTube video the
channel that uploaded it, they asked Young. They said the group.

Speaker 2 (01:22):
God knows, I actually really don't know. I might be
making that show.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
No, you're correct. The name of the channel is Crosby
Still's a Nash, but the description of the video says
our House, Crosby Stills Nash and Young. So I imagine and
this is this is pure conjecture because I haven't actually
reached its anything. I'd imagine Young probably left the group
since this was recorded in nineteen seventy, and so Crosby
Still's a Nash said, We're not putting Young's traitorous name

(01:47):
on our YouTube channel. However, we do have to credit
Young in the song our House because they did record it. Yeah,
you heard it here first this and this is behind
the music with Lead and Ian recovering. Glee presents a

(02:09):
clear Buffy podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:14):
Hello everyone, my name is Lena, my name is.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
Ian, and welcome to a queer Buffy podcast.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Don't get it twisted, not.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Those straight Buffy podcasts. A dime a dozen. Now, every
heterosexual has got an opinion on the Slayer all of
a sudden, it was just like, oh my.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
God, you guys, back off. It's not for you.

Speaker 1 (02:48):
And I'm just kidding. Yeah, you're straight and you like
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. Yeah, I assumed it's a huge cliche. Yeah,
we're trying to bring trying to bring something different to
the I know.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
Oh my god, welcome you guys.

Speaker 1 (03:00):
We're here, we're queer.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
We're here to talk about our bad daddy angel.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
No, I'm just kidding, but what's my line was kinky
as hell? Oh my. The fact that she was like
bad daddy and then he was like, hey, Spike, let
me tell you how to fuck your girlfriend. That was crazy.

Speaker 2 (03:16):
I'm so glad we're bringing it up now. That was crazy.
It also was like, wait, challengers challenge, like.

Speaker 1 (03:24):
Yeah, three week kiss, Drew, I think you should get
these you to kiss and I mean you could do it.

Speaker 2 (03:30):
They have.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I know they have.

Speaker 2 (03:33):
Like I don't need to be told. I saw the
I saw the tension.

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Okay, so here's the here's the gag, and here's the bag.
Here's the gag, and here's the bag. Might be new phrase,
new phrase drop. And this is true of all television shows.
It's always like, what are pieces of lore that become
very central to the show that clearly the writers did
not have in mind at the beginning. The one too,

(03:59):
like the the most famous one in Buffy. Not the
most famous, but one of the most famous ones is Spike.
In Schoolhard says to Angel, you were my sire. And
then later, as we've already been introduced to, we find
out that Angel is Drew's sire.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (04:16):
And then I don't know if this has been explicitly stated,
but it's such a minor spoiler that I'm just gonna
say it. Yeah. We then find out Drew turned Spike
into a vampire. Angel did not turn him. Drew did.
And this has been covered by the fact jos Eden
has been asked about it in interviews and he's like, well,
sire just means like anyone previous in your lineage. Oh

(04:38):
and so like Angel is technically spike sire because he
sired the woman who sired Spike into that. I say,
that sounds like you're just trying to cover your ass exactly.

Speaker 2 (04:50):
Sounds like usuge, Like you didn't think about it. You
wanted to like soil your own plot.

Speaker 1 (04:54):
Which like doesn't bother me. But I'm like, I just
don't think in the very first episode where you had
sp and Drew that you had nailed down the specifics
of this family tree. Yeah, and then once you nailed
them down, you were like, fuck, we contradicted this. So
let me just say that sire means anything. All this
to say in this episode, when Angel is like, ooh uh, Spike,

(05:19):
I seem to remember that Drew likes a lot of
forward play, and Spike is like so gagged at the
concept that Angel and Drusilla have fucked before, and this
is like, this is once again, I'm like, moving forward.
This is known cannon by all parties, Like it is
common knowledge that Angel and Drusilla had a sexual relationship. Ye,

(05:42):
but in this episode this is the first time it's mentioned.
The writers are like and Spike is shocked by this
information watching this show moving forward. No, he's always known.
That doesn't mean he likes to think about it, doesn't
mean it doesn't piss him off, but like it's not
news to him.

Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah, I definitely wasn't even watching it like he was shocked, but.

Speaker 1 (06:01):
More just like, you know, it was a twisting of
the knife. Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (06:05):
Twisting of the knife because I just always you know,
I also you know, vampires may be fucking each other exactly,
Like that's like the name of the game, name to vampires.

Speaker 1 (06:16):
They've at least kissed.

Speaker 2 (06:17):
No, Oh my god, of course, I mean, of course.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Hello, It's in the Vampire Handbook. I know, I've read
to get it and it's you open it and it says, Hi,
you're now dead. I kiss your friends now. You need
to drink blood to survive, and you need to kiss
all your friends. Those are the first two rules of
the number three is don't go in the sun. Literally,
kiss your friends is more important than avoiding sunlight.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
And that's the thing is, it's so important you kissing
your friends, especially your sire.

Speaker 1 (06:52):
I mean, come on, especially your sire and your sire, sire,
your grandsire. Let's say, let's go.

Speaker 2 (07:00):
You know, Oh my god, that scene, I literally, I
literally was like I was really watching this at like
ten years old, and I'm reaping the consequences at thirty.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
And like the way that angel is like shirtless and
tied up the whole time. It knows kinky as hell.

Speaker 2 (07:20):
No, and that's awesome. Yeah, And like Drusilla hell like
has fucking holy water like in her trunk, Dominatrix, Drusilla domination.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
And I love this.

Speaker 2 (07:36):
I love this horribly. I think this is amazing.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
I'm telling you. I am.

Speaker 2 (07:43):
I am reaping the consequences at thirty, I was.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Too young watching too young? Whoao? No, I all this
to say, can't believe that ship. Yeah, that's crazy, so fun.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
Welcome to our Queer Buffy podcast. We are happy to
have you. Welcome to What's My Line? Part two. We're
I finished some conversations we had last week and let's
just get into it, shall we.

Speaker 1 (08:14):
Like we literally record a part one yesterday. Yeah, there's
not really any new updates that new updates. I watched
The Descent last night for the first time. I had
a great time. I love that. If you want my
more full thoughts, you can subscribe to our Patreon because
I talk about it in our little pre show and
I have no updates.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Nothing has happened.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Hey, you know a regular Sunday night.

Speaker 2 (08:36):
Well, I mean I watched Housewives. Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (08:41):
I have never watched that show before.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I don't know if I've talked about this on the
podcast proper, but I have never watched Salt Lake Housewives before,
and I am I regret it.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
I love it so much.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
It's also like you know Utah slash, you know Southwest people,
you spent a lot of formative years in here in Utah,
so you would get this, and you have like family
from Utah as well. Those are my aunts, like those
are my aunties fighting and I seriously it feels like
visiting family, Like obviously I don't understand their lifestyle in
any way and that's not a secret. But like Heather Gay,

(09:15):
that woman I'm certain weird cousins like like I am,
those women are are my aunties. I know it. It's
so fun because like Utah culture is so intense and
weird and it's really hard to explain to people who
aren't from Utah or like you know, have you know

(09:36):
you get it because you know you spent formative years here,
but it's so weird and people always like have so
many questions about it. And I think Sulid Housewives is
such a cool amalgamation of Utah culture and also like
rejection of it, and it is thrilling to behold, and
in a way I think that I think like Mormon

(09:58):
Wives wishes frankly mm hmmm. So if you want to
watch a Utah TV show, I recommend I like Housewives.

Speaker 1 (10:05):
It's so fucking fun. Oh my god, it's so fun.

Speaker 2 (10:09):
If you ever decide to like become a Bravo gay
like I have decided to be.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
Yeah, it's so much content it really scares me. Oh yeah, no,
I totally hear you.

Speaker 2 (10:19):
Yeah, I mean Salt Lake is only I mean, I'm
going to say this, and it's going to sound like
a lot. It's only six seasons. I got through it
in like two weeks.

Speaker 1 (10:29):
Oh my, oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
No, but it's worth it. It's the best television show
of all time.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
I'm telling you.

Speaker 2 (10:35):
Okay, okay, do you want to hear some slacks? Yes,
not about Housewives, but about what's my.

Speaker 1 (10:41):
If we have to, I guess, oh yeah, it's time. Okay.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
So I assume that a lot of the slacks were
reserved for part one, because I mean they're kind of.

Speaker 1 (10:52):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
There's sister episodes also.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Some of the slacks I read last week. I then
watched the episode and was like, that was misfiled. Like, yeah,
I said last week. I remember, we're confirmed that there
are forty three churches in Sunnydale. No, that's confirmed in
this episode.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So now I noticed.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
So I apologize for stealing your slas.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
No, no, no, I'm going to clue you into a
little secret. I don't care like I care about the podcast.
I care about sharing fun facts, but I do not
feel I do not feel like you've man spread into
my slacks.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (11:23):
Okay, What's My line? Part two is the tenth episode
of the second season season of Buffy the Vampire Slayer
and the twenty second overall twenty two written by our
girl Hell Yeah, This is mother put some respect on
her name, Marty Maxen, and it was directed by David Semmel.

(11:46):
It was really originally broadcast November twenty fourth, nineteen ninety seven,
on the WB Network.

Speaker 1 (11:52):
Okay, so this is like probably.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
The funnest fun fact of this and by funnest, I
mean like really truly the only the only fun facts
about this episode that I could find. So, Marty Knoxton
has said that all so after Oz's compliment about Willow's smile,
all of their lines were ad lips. So like while
like they're walking down the hallway conversation, Yes, yes, all

(12:15):
of that was ad lib. They just kind of let
them have fun, which is so cute to like see
this like natural chemistry that these two have and like
the fun banter that they have, And this is all
just natural. This is Alison Hannigan and uh, Seth Green,
Seth Green, Yeah, but it's the actor one, so we
can say Seth Green, yeah, Bruce, Seth Green and Alison Hannigan.

(12:37):
Is that so sweet? I thought that was so funny.
Shout out to Sophia Crawford. Sophia Crawford is Buffy's stunt double.
I was gonna say understudy, no stunt double, different different job,
Buffy says to can drop back off. Pink ragent Ranger
and Sophia Crawford played the pink Ranger for a long time,

(12:59):
like not the actress, but.

Speaker 1 (13:00):
She was, like I know she was. She was, she
was the body with the mask on exactly. That was
Via Crawford. So shout out to her. Shout out to her.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
Okay, and obviously Bion Glossa and we met her last week.
She plays Kendra and a lot of people talk about this,
but I don't know that like enough people are talking
about this. So I'm going to send you a text
really quick. You ian al read Okay.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
You the person listening, check your phone, check your phone.

Speaker 2 (13:28):
I've got you, Okay, So let me tell you a
little bit about Bion Glossan. One of her main things
is this woman. This woman has played a teenager on
television for more than twenty years and let me go
that down the line with you.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
So yeah, it will be in the carousel today for
the podcast.

Speaker 2 (13:53):
So she and I did not make this picture. I
found this on like Reddit or something, so beyond. Ga
Lassan was born the twentieth of March nineteen seventy nine
in Los Angeles, California. She's an EPO baby.

Speaker 1 (14:07):
Did you know? I did not know, and I did not.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
She has stepsisters with Beyonce's Langen Holes. Oh my gosh,
I know this, but that's just fun. But that doesn't
have anything to do with what's going on. But she
has This woman has played a teenager for more than
twenty years and Saved by the Bell she was fourteen,
she played like a sixteen year old and sister's sister.
It was nineteen ninety six, she was seventeen and Buffy

(14:29):
she's eighteen in these episodes. In Dawson's Creek, she's twenty two.
In Vampire Diaries from twenty nine to twenty eleven, she
is thirty years old. In American Horror Story, she plays
another teenager thirty two pre Old Liar, she plays another
teenager she's thirty one that was a year before or whoa,
I did the math wrong?

Speaker 1 (14:48):
What the hell? What the hell?

Speaker 2 (14:51):
I think I did the bath wrong? I think in
American Horror Story she's thirty one, pre Old Liars she's
thirty two. Teen Wolves she's thirty three. And then Witches
of west End, which I think is the last thing
that she played a teenager in. She was thirty five.
And this woman has looked and honestly, today I think
she's like forty seven if I'm not mistaken. Today she

(15:14):
does not age at all, Like this is a vampire
and like obviously like she's aged, but like she looks
like as young. Yeah no, and I bet the real
the only reason is so which is a west End
was in like twenty fifteen. I think the only reason
she stopped playing teenagers because she probably didn't want to anymore,

(15:37):
and not because she couldn't. Because this woman she does
not age. And people talk about this, but like I
we can, like I have to shout this out because
you know, she's a professional teenager on television. She's like
some people play a cup on TV. She plays a
teenager on TV in her mid thirties, like and especially
like Pretty Little Liars, Like all of the people in
that show were like twenty one in under and she's

(16:00):
like over here like thirty three years old, isn't.

Speaker 1 (16:03):
That She's like I remember being your age and doing
the vampire exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
And I mean she also started playing a sixteen year
old at fourteen, so she's doing it. She did it
before she was that age and well after. So I mean,
this woman I have I have love for this woman,
and she is very talented, and I also think, like
it's probably hard to be in your like thirties and
playing a teenager, but she does it so well. Hey,

(16:30):
so shout outs to Beyonca Lassan. I really think this
woman is so amazing and gorgeous and she literally does
not age. And that's kind of the end of my slacks.
And obviously no alternative titles because Ian already shared them.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Should I just share them again? Just for Simeon? I
shared them? Just add a part two?

Speaker 2 (16:47):
Okay, great, I will what is my way?

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Armenian? What will I be?

Speaker 2 (16:53):
The Czech title visitors Part two Finnish and French. Wait,
French they called it Kendras, so it's kendrapart too, dos
ritual in German the ritual, so it's just the ritual.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Again.

Speaker 2 (17:05):
They did not put a part two. What was it
last week?

Speaker 1 (17:09):
It was the ritual.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
It was the ritual, so it's just two rituals.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Yeah. Oh, Polish Slayer Part two? What should I do?

Speaker 2 (17:18):
Second part in Portuguese Brazil.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
I lied to you? And part one in Germany was
the rival and then part two is the rival. We
okay they are they're not doing part one part two,
they said, we're there are two separate pieces of art. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Hey, because they I feel like their sisters, not twins.
They kind of go together. Yeah, a lot of the
Part two is of the same thing. But the German
I'm actually glad that we we said it then because
that's really exciting.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
Hey, the rival, the ritual, the rival, the ritual Kendra
Part two. I got a recap? Okay, great, can you
believe here? All right? Previously on Bevy the Vampire Slayer,
although this time the recap of the episode said last
week on Buffy the Vampire Slayer, because it's a part two,
j you calot that anyway. Previously on Buffy and Kendra

(18:15):
the vampire slayers butt Heads. Turns out, when Buffy briefly
died in the season one finale, Kendra was called and
has a much more by the book approach to slaying
than Buffy's free wheeling resistant attitude. While the Order of
Taraka continues to hunt Buffy down, Spike and Drew have
kidnapped Angel to enact a ritual bringing Drew back to

(18:35):
full power. While hiding from the Order of Taraka, Xander
and Cordy Kiss, Kendra and Buffy team up to track
down Angel, Spike and Drew and save Angel, but not
before the ritual is enacted and Drew is healed. But
Spike gets his ass whooped so bad now he's injured.
Kendra and Buffy partways, having become friends and learning they

(18:58):
are no longer alone. Yay, hey, shout out. It's hard
to do like a you know, a two part episode.
Mostly episodes, the stories open and shut. There were a
lot of moving parts that were established last week, so
they're like, was it a lot to talk about? This

(19:19):
episode is mostly just like Kendra and Buffy doing a
buddy cop hunt down a Spike and drill. Yeah, anyways,
what's my line? Part two. Here we are, Here we are?
What do you think?

Speaker 2 (19:37):
I love this episode? I love this episode and I mean,
I like, what's my line?

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Part one?

Speaker 2 (19:42):
But I feel like it's this one that shines for me.
I like to meet Kendra, and I think that the
I think that the Spike Drew Angel Thruttle happening is
very exciting.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I also like, I love sitting in a couple of ways,
am I right? Or am I right? And sir, you
are right?

Speaker 2 (20:05):
And I also I love Buffy spends so much of
last episode, and I mean, like the last few episodes
really kind of feeling like the Slayer like barely fits anymore.
You know, like she you know, feels really bogged down
by this role in this job that she has, and
then to have someone come in who does it so

(20:26):
differently than her, and how that a like you know,
makes her, you know, feel very territorial and b kind
of reaffirms to her that it's like even Kendra says,
like it's not a job, it's who you are, Like
you can't run from that, And like how that maybe
like reframes being the Slayer to Buffy. Like I think

(20:47):
that that's so wonderful because I mean, like, you know,
she's barely wanted to do it recently, and then to
have someone come in and make her feel like, oh wait,
but this is my job, Like you can't do this,
this is mine and then you know, and then in
turn to also feel that she's not so cosmically lonely anymore.

(21:07):
I love love this, I really really really do.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
I also.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Like not to go down the line until you if
I like or don't like, don'tly plots. But I don't
know how you feel about Cordelia and Xander, but I
kind of love it. I'm having fun. Like they've been
butting heads for like four episodes straight and they finally kiss.

(21:38):
I was like, okay, finally, do you hate it?

Speaker 1 (21:42):
I'm poker facing you because I want your honest thoughts.

Speaker 2 (21:44):
Ugh, you know me so well. But I personally I
love a like enemies to lovers kind of thing. And
I also feel like they have worked so hard to
establish that these two are like straight up sick of
each other, and like how like fighting turns to kissing,
you know, I love that, and I think it's fun

(22:05):
and I think I'm excited to see what's going to
happen next. And yeah, and I also it makes me,
you know, like Kendra like connecting so much with Giles
and how that bike s Buffy feels so sad. So yeah,
I love this episode. How do you feel about this episode?

Speaker 1 (22:24):
Oh yeah, I enjoyed this episode a lot. This these
two sets of episodes are very before and after for
season two. Like the reason that it is a two
parter is because it is so monumental. You go into
these episodes with Drew being sick. You exit the episodes
with Drew bring it full health. And how Spike is sick?

(22:46):
We just did an Uno reverse on the two of them.
You go into these episodes with most of the Scoobies
being single, You exit with like Willow and Oz having
a flirtation, in Cordelia and Xander having kissed. Do you
enter these episodes with Buffy being the only slayer You
acted these episodes with her being a second slayer, Like,
so much changes and we kind of reshuffle the entire

(23:07):
board in these two episodes, which I think is very exciting.
I am so team Xander and Cordelia. I love their dynamic.
I was scared Xander is obviously a huge PERV sicko
and if he had ended up with kind of any
other girl, I would be like no, like gross, But
he has never ever even commented on like Cordelia being hot.

(23:31):
It hasn't been like if not for her personality, i'd
sure liked it, Like no, he literally hates her so
much has made like sexual comment on her ever, exactly,
So she's kind of the only girl that I am
pro getting with. She keeps him honest because she hates
him so much and will tell him that he's a

(23:52):
loser and an idiot to his face. And then he
keeps her honest because he will do the same to
her like these.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
And these are two people who need to hear exactly.
Then you be humbled every.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Once in a while.

Speaker 2 (24:03):
And I'm sure it's also nice too.

Speaker 1 (24:06):
Go ahead, Oh no, you're fine. But like Willow and
Buffy are way too good for Xander, yes, and like
Cordelia might also be too good for Xander, but at
least yeah, but at least whereas like Xander is you know,
pervy and doesn't really like think of the consequences of
his actions, he's also balanced with the girl who is

(24:27):
just like straight up a mean Person's like, you're a
fucking purper. So like their flaws are very complimentary and
that they call each other on each other's shit all
the time, and I think it's really fun. I like
the two of them together a lot. I agree some
of the funniest moments of this episode. I just like
the way they can't stand each other when they're hiding

(24:50):
from Norman Fister from the man who makes himself bugs
and uh Xander says something about how they need to
keep hiding and Cordelia is like, oh, yeah, great, so
we can just wait for his friends to come and
kill us. Two. Sorry forgot I was straighted with a loser,
like the way she screams loser with so much passion.

(25:14):
And then after they kissed the first time, and then
they're reconciling at school to be like, we need to
talk about what happens, and they're like, okay, I don't
think we need to, like ever address it again. It
just like was heat of the moment, whatever whatever, andever
we can forget about it. And then Cordelia goes and
don't try it again, and Cinder goes, I didn't try

(25:37):
it like that. Those two exchanges made me laugh so hard.
I know I'm very team I've always found Cordelia Xander
to be a very fun couple, and I'm glad we're
finally at the point that they are that something's happening there.

Speaker 2 (25:56):
I so agree. I also feel like I'm seeing this
threads of so many plots in this episode, and I
hate to shit on my Glee and you know, that's
my baby, but that's just not a thing that was
happening as frequently. And it definitely happened on Glee, but
it was not happening as frequently, And to see all

(26:16):
of these threads being planted, like like maybe like even
episode one one.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
The chemistry, Yeah, Cordelia and Xander has been amping up
more and more. I would I commented on it a
few episodes ago when they yell at the library and
it's like they if Willow had not jumped in and
told the shut up, they were about to.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
Guess they were they were, and I mean they also
like Cordelia in some way, like saw Xander as someone
who like could like care for her and you know,
like he saved her in the fire in some of
somebody required some of simply required thank you, and like

(26:56):
like Xander didn't even notice her and a I mean
hear me as a fellow Hawk girl. Don't laugh, No,
I know, I know, but I am saying, like, this
woman is so hot and this woman is so wonderful
and she can probably have any guy she wants, and
to have someone that she like in any way has

(27:18):
to like maybe work a little harder for and she
already feels so strongly. I mean, hate is so close,
like hate is so close to love, you know, and.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
No, not at all.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
And I mean, I I really I just think they
are such a strong duo to me, I really have,
like I've always thought I liked them. And I also
think like it's good for Xander to have someone in
his life. This is a guy who needs someone to
be like, no, you're a loser, you're a perv. And

(27:54):
also he has said in this season, and maybe it
was a joke, but let's say it's true. He has
said that that turns him on before.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Oh, I don't think that's a lie, right, I think
I think he's a little anti humulation. Hey, nothing wrong
with that, and nothing wrong with that.

Speaker 2 (28:16):
I love them together, and I you know, and it's
so funny and I like to.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
Watch them scream in each other's faces and then like.

Speaker 2 (28:24):
The string of like this orchestral like you know, like
big chord happening like this, like orchestra music behind them,
Like it's so funny and so exciting, and I don't know,
I just think these are these two are pretty well
matched at this moment.

Speaker 1 (28:40):
Yeah, and then them also becoming a crime fighting duo
and killing the guy who makes himself blugs together like
that was fully a Cordelia and Xander original. They made
that plan themselves, they executed it themselves.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, I'm so glad because I I really I like
them a lot.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
Yeah. We also get Oz and Willow matching up this episode. Yeah,
I really, Oz is so funny to me. In this
episode two one, Seth Green, at least in my head,
has clearly dyed his hair independently of the TV show,
Like maybe though the production wanted him to dye his hair.

(29:20):
In my brain, Seth Green just wanted to dye his
hair and showed up and was like, sorry, it's brown now.
And the way they they the way they answer it,
which is one episode ago which was like yesterday, yeah,
he was a redhead, and then he shows up today
dark brown hair, and while it goes your hair is brown, yeah,
sometimes and they just move on.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
I think this is this is also like very teenagery
of him, Like I know so many redheads who like
dye their hair black in high school and are like,
you know, just would do.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
That, And I know, I think this is fun. Well,
And what I love about Oz I think Oz and
Willow are such a good match is they are both
like genius love intellects. Yeah, but Willow is so high
strung and is so high performing and is so I
have to please everyone and do everything that everyone wants
you to do. And Oz is like unfortunately a genius

(30:12):
like he is like all I want to do is
play guitar in my band, and unfortunately I test really well,
and so everyone wants to hire me. Like, I think
it's very like he needs a bit of a work ethic,
and Willow also needs to calm the fuck down. But
they are both cerebral enough that they speak the same language. Yeah,
And so I think they are a very good match

(30:33):
and balance each other very well. Oh what a wonderful
thought you've just had.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
I so agree, Like he is unfortunately a genius, and
this girl is smart because she works so hard, like
they probably are. You know, I agree. I think these
two are a really great match.

Speaker 1 (30:51):
What were you going to say? It wasn't important, It
wasn't important.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Continue, I didn't think it was going to be important.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
I'm kidding, And I love the scene that we could
talk about in more depth. But Buffy, you know, she
knows the Order Trunk is after her and they could
be anyone. And then we find out that one of
the Order of Taraka is the woman posing as the
cop for Career Day. That scene is crazy. She's like, so,

(31:21):
I was.

Speaker 2 (31:23):
Also was she posing as a cop or was she
just a cop?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I actually thought the same thing, but she shut off.
I know she represents that. She's like there at the
law enforcement booth, Buffy signs up for law enforcement because
that's what the Career Aptitude signed her with, which is
why not to I'm not I'm saying a cab alongside Xandler.
But the reason I think that she is posing as
a cop is because my belief is the Order of

(31:48):
Taraka saw the Career Aptitude results and we're like, we
need to station one of ours at the booth that
Buffy Summers will be going.

Speaker 2 (31:56):
If she would have gone to the gardening one. They
would have gotten her with like the gardener exactly.

Speaker 1 (32:01):
But the the escalation of Buffy signs up at the
booth stands back immediately the cot picks of the clipboard. Okay,
when I call your name, say you're here, Buffy Summers
here whips out a Gunshe gun.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
It was I know, I mean icerely have seen this
episode several times and I literally was.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Like, a gun. It's it's crazy.

Speaker 2 (32:32):
And not to mention she is shooting with abandon like hurting.

Speaker 1 (32:37):
Children, almost said Seth Green. Oz gets shot on the shoulder.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
I also didn't realize that at the time that it
was Bruce Eth Green. I did not realize it was Oz,
and I was like, oh my god, this random kid shit,
And like even worse, it's Oz. But I literally was like,
oh my god, are they just gonna like shoot a
kid and it's gonna be like we're gonna sweep it
out of the rug.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
I was tagged. It was one of those things that
watching the episode, I was like, this was definitely shot
in ninety seven, because yeah, with the way with how
bad stuff are done with gun control with America, this
would not air like this is pre Columbine this would
not have made it to air.

Speaker 3 (33:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
It's crazy, yeah, and obviously like it is and completely
jarring to see this in a television show and it's
like it's you know, a lot, and it's exciting because
it's Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but it's you're so right,
like there is no way in all hell they could
do something like this because I mean, I mean, this

(33:45):
is happening in America every single day.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
The media landscape changed a lot, just like one year
two years later with the Columbine shooting, because like Scream three,
I know, had to be entirely written because of that,
Like it really changed the media landscape because unfortunately, stuff
like this is no longer like crazy fantasy. Can you

(34:09):
imagine if this had happened and I know, like it
now happens almost weekly.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
No, absolutely, I know a lot of people are very
desensitized to hearing about school shootings. I'm just nervous that
we've also swung in a different direction here today in
twenty twenty five, you know what I mean, where it's
just like so commonplace that it's like not do you know,

(34:36):
am I making sense? No?

Speaker 1 (34:39):
Are you saying you're worried that we're desensitized to it now.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
Yeah, so I agree with that, right, And like, you know,
maybe in like nineteen ninety nine, like they couldn't have
done something like this, but like maybe in twenty twenty
five they could. Again mm hmmm, that's what I'm saying,
which I don't know that that's true, but I just
feel I feel no hope in our in our media landscape.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
Sometimes I agree with what you're saying. And I think
once again, when Columbine happened, they rewrote an entire movie.
They were polling episodes that were scheduled to be released
from the air, like people were like, this is such,
this is such a horrific crime that has happened, Like
we cannot do anything that could possibly be construed as

(35:22):
enabling this kind of thing. And now it happens so
frequently that they's not even always getting national coverage when
I happen.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
Oah, exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Now I'm gonna shift the conversation back. Okay, great, I
think it is important to like address all of that. Also,
all that to say, the reason I brought up in
the first place is Oz's response to getting shot in
the shoulder is so quintessential oz and I love it
so much. The oz archetype to me is like what

(35:55):
if someone spoke like they were high all the time,
But it's not because they're high, It is because they're
operating on such a higher plane intellectually that they like
process things differently. Oh my god, Buffy being like odds,
are you okay? And him going well, I'm shot? You know, wow,

(36:17):
it's odd.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
I know, his non chalmance is insane on this television show,
Like what the hell?

Speaker 1 (36:27):
Oh funny, Oh my gosh, I love it so much.
Jathan held at knife point. She then you know, Buffy
like best turn. She vacates the premises, and then Jonathan goes,
was that a demonstration?

Speaker 2 (36:50):
Obviously this scene is like holds a lot, but it
is I and I feel like so frankly, I think
a lot of scenes in this episode are so chock full.

Speaker 1 (37:02):
Yeah of like you know, they're.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Three minutes long, but like eighty things are happening all
at once. Like I feel this way about like the
last scene when Kendra comes in and they're in like
this church and all the fighting that's happening, like Willow
staking a vampire, Like so many things are happening all
at once, and I'm like, wow, I can really tell that,
like they were doing their big one with this one.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
It's a big this is these two episodes are like
a big set piece. I agree, it was a lot
of plot is happening. Marty Knox is on the scene.
They said, we got to give for a big one
for a first season, Marty, I love you. A lot
is happening. Do we talk about Kendra now? Sure? All right,

(37:46):
the Kendra of it all. Everyone, We've talked about this before.
It is something we will continue to talk about with
Over the Vampire Slayer first and foremost. I like Kendra
a lot. I'm very glad that Kendra's on the show. Buffy,
as we have mentioned before, is an incredibly white show.
It is nearly an entirely white cast. Of the twenty

(38:09):
five people who are credited with writing for Buffy the
Vampire Slayer, only one of them is a person of color. Like,
it was very white across the board, and I feel
like a lot of the issues Buffy has with race
are present in the character of Kendra. Yeah. Once again,
we're two white people, so like, we have a very

(38:31):
limited perspective on this. So we're going to do our
best to talk about it. We would love to hear
from listeners about their thoughts on it, So like, obviously
take away say with the grain of salt, of course,
we are speaking for ourselves and no one else in
our own perspectives. I genuinely love the character of Kendra.
I think it's very interesting to introduce another Slayer who

(38:56):
is the opposite of Buffy in the sense that she
takes being the Slay incredibly seriously. She is very by
the books. She comes from a culture where like being
the Slayer is the highest calling you could possibly have.
She has been raised into this, it has been her
entire life, whereas Buffy is like, this stole my life
from me. I think that that contrast is very interesting

(39:20):
and exciting, and I think that having her be from
another part of the world makes a lot of sense.
As you know, fighting supernatural is a global issue. The
issue is up until this point, we have not met
a single black character who was named, except for like,
there was a vampire in one episode that had a

(39:40):
name and then died in the same episode. Yeah, but like,
we have not met another black person really in this
show at all. Yeah, And so although I like all
those aspects of Kentra's character, it also makes her this
exotic other. And when we have not when there is
no like student that we know what Sonny who is

(40:00):
part of the group who is black, it is very
much just reinforcing that black people are an other to
white society. Like the framing of Kendra of her like
not understanding any of the culture, the fact that like
she doesn't even have a last name, that she's always
outfitted in this kind of like exotic jewelry, that she

(40:23):
is accompanied with more part of my French like exotic
and tribal sounding background to music. Yes, as much as
I love the character of Kendra, it's just not helping
the fact that she is the only black character and
I think named character of color period that we have

(40:44):
met up to this point. It's not helping the show's
case at all. And once again, her piss poor accent
is also not earning any points in that favor. Oh,
not to mention the Buffy Summers microaggressions that we can
get into Oh god yeah, I think, but yeah, like

(41:04):
Jesus Christ. Once again, these are issues that follow the
show throughout its run, that will come up with other characters.
But I do feel like, at least in my opinion,
Kendra is kind of like the poster child for Buffy
and miss handling characters of color.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
Yeah, I so agree, and thank you for saying all
of that. I think that's really important to see a
television show that has no a people of color writing
for the show or also on screen. It just like
does not reflect the world. And to hear that this

(41:42):
this woman was cast as Cordelia and they specifically took
that job away from her. This network is doing this
on purpose. And I love Kendra, and I think Kendra
is in this episode obviously it ends so well, and
she teaches Buffy a really important life and she connects
with you know, Giles in this lovely way, and we

(42:05):
learned that this girl is like incredibly smart and incredibly
dedicated and like you know, is learning in like has
a lesson to teach Buffy. But this is also like this,
she's a slayer in her own right. She she shouldn't
just exist like as a lesson for Buffy. It's a
it's a lot.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
It's a lot to talk about Kendra as a character.
I love that she makes Buffy feel unsure of herself.
That it is like, oh, here's you know, like being
the Slayer. Yeah, Like I hate being the Slayer. I
wish someone else could do it. And then suddenly here's
someone else who could do it, And now I actually, wait,

(42:47):
kind of feel territorial, and maybe I like being the Slayer.
And this is like if Giles, this is giles fantasy
of who I was. Yeah, a girl who's been training
for this her entire life, who literally doesn't speak to
boys because she is so un interested in dating, who
doesn't go to school, who doesn't have friends, her entire
life is just conditioning her to do this thing. I

(43:07):
think what that brings out in Buffy's character is really interesting.
So I like all those aspects of Kendris's character when
she is the only character that is not white. Yeah,
it's now now all of those things now feel like
it's like, yep, speaking of people of color as a monolith. Yep.
You know, there's a bunch of stuff about Kendra's character

(43:29):
that I feel like is problematic that would not be
nearly as problematic if there was literally, like one other
named black character on the show that we saw a lot.

Speaker 2 (43:37):
And yeah, because now it just looks like that Buffy
is racist, Like well, I mean I think she is
no exactly, and I'm glad you said it. And this
is so funny too, because like Buffy is and I mean,
at least this is my perspective because I care so

(43:58):
deeply for this girl and it is so sad to
see this. They this is a good person. They want
us to think that Buffy is a good person, like
that she like has a sense of truth and justice
that is inherent in her bones and her blood. Like
this is like intrinsic to her personhood and what the

(44:19):
fuck is this? Like she is straight up racist in
this episode, and like you know, obviously she like learns
to see Kendra as a human being, but like she
straight up does not, and she is speaking to her
very unkindly in this episode and like makes insane assumptions
about this girl and also is like mimicking her accent

(44:42):
back to her, making fun of her.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
It is it is disgusting behavior. Yeah, the whole like
Buffy being rude to Kendra, which once again it's I
feel like it comes It is problematic because there is
no other yes exactly character of color to show like, oh,
this is actually a Buffy versus Kendra thing, not like
a Buffy versus another race thing, but that feels I

(45:06):
understand where that's coming from. She feels threatened. Gile's obsessed
with this girl. It's making her feel attacked. It is
the like mimicking Kendra's accent, no kicko, no fido, that
shit that I'm like, So, actually that's insane. So actually
it's crazy that that happens.

Speaker 2 (45:24):
No, and I cannot believe she said it's not insane.

Speaker 1 (45:27):
I think the main issue with this episode, and once
again this is coming from my perspective, it's the tokenization
of it all. It is if you have one singular
character that represents this entire group of people, now everything
that that character says or does, becomes, whether intentional or not,
a reflection in the audience's eyes of what you think
of that entire group. If you have a single gay character,

(45:52):
anything that that gay character does or says is going
to be how the audience thinks you view the entire
gay community. And so, whether intentional or not, anything that
Kendra does or says, and anything that another character does
or says to Kendra, in my eyes, is now reflective
of how these writers in this entire show feels about

(46:12):
the entire black community, the entire non white community, because
there hasn't really been anyone who isn't white, and so
that I think is the major issue. Once again, in
my perspective, the tokenization, the fact that she's the only one,
and she's the only one and she has no friends,
has been conditioned to do this single thing, like the

(46:33):
fact that she is the only non white character and
is also written in a way to be an extreme
other is a lot and I think the fact that
she is an other from a story perspective works really well.
I think that the fact that she is an other
makes the her and Buffy dynamic really interesting. I just
think that they should have taken the time to make

(46:55):
the show more diverse going in, so that so much
of the weight wasn't on kendra shoulders when she was introduced,
and these things could just be interesting instead of like
interesting and also problematic.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
No, I completely agree. I completely agree.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Talking about the interesting aspect of it, yes, I do.
It is fascinating to me the contrast of Buffy living
a regular, herd normal life and then surprise, you have
this sacred calling you have to give up your entire

(47:31):
life and just kind of like figure it out and
then to find out there is some like somewhere in
the world there are people who not only know about
the Slayer, but like revere it so much that they
have found a way to identify who is likely to
be called as the Slayer and they're essentially just trained
their entire life for it. Like that is very exciting

(47:53):
to me. It also raises questions of the Watcher's Council,
like having tabs on who might be Slayers in the
field future and who is, which I mean, I think
is kind of obvious, Like that's how they would have
found Buffy is Yeah, they had tabs on her before
and then were like she got activated, so send a
Watcher after her. I just find that extra layer to

(48:15):
the Buffy versus very fascinating to.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
Learn that Kendrick's parents, like, we're so invested in her being,
you know, potentially a slayer like that they would send
her away because that was so important to her. It
was so important to them and their their family. Like,
I think that's very interesting. Another aspect of this plot
that I do also find very interesting is what we

(48:38):
learn about what gild is keeping from Buffy. So Kendra
is an incredibly intelligent young woman, and she has nearly
like like she has a watcher who like sent her
on this mission. But she's also like really self motivated
in the way that she has read all of these
volumes of books like grimoires or whatever. The hell there's

(49:03):
a slayher handbook that she's read forwards and back. And
Buffy is so surprised to learn this, like she's like,
what the hell. And then to hear Giles say like, like,
I didn't think that that would be necessarily your speed.
And I think that speaks to at least like like
an insecurity that I have clocked on Buffy is that

(49:25):
she feels kind of stupid and dumb and that she's
like not worth anything other than kicking and punching and shopping.
And so to learn her closest nearly her her closest
parental figure also doesn't even trust her with this information
or trust her to teach herself things. That's another thing
that like, you know it, I think it like cuts

(49:45):
Buffy deeply. And to see Giles be so excited to
talk about these things that he loves to talk about
with this girl who is maybe even doing the job
in a way better than her. I think that is interesting, sting.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
I'm curious as to clearly like her watcher Kendri's watchers, Yes,
very on top of stuff. He's been like training Kender
her whole life. So how does he not know that
Buffy's still alive? Because it would be one thing if
Kendra showed up and was like, oh, I'm also the slayer,
like I got activated when you died and came back

(50:22):
to life, that Kendra's also gagged. Kendra's like, how is
there another Slayer? You have to be dead? I would
think the watcher's counsel would be aware that Buffy was
still active. It's weird to me that that has not
been communicated.

Speaker 2 (50:35):
Oh I know, well, let's think about like maybe this
And it's so funny to me because obviously there are
several watchers and they keep they can't keep track of
one girl at a time.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
And also, like Giles knows Kendra's watcher. Yeah, so how
has this information not been passed on? I have, frankly
aver questions. If the potential I was watching got activated,
I'd be telling everyone friends, I went what I went?
Mine got picked, she got activated? Sorry, I would be

(51:15):
got annoying as hell about Oh my.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
God, I would be like posting on Facebook in our
in our Secret Watcher Council Facebook page, like everyone, meet Ken,
draw the mind, peace, Buffy Summers, thank you for your service,
like you absolutely like her favorite color is pink. She

(51:37):
loves to read for fun, like you know, I like,
at least the phone tree has got to be activated,
Like these people don't communicate in any way.

Speaker 1 (51:48):
It's crazy, No.

Speaker 2 (51:50):
It's so crazy. I just also feel like this is
this is certainly a plot hole, like because I personally
am like, who's the cleanup crew? There has to be
some sort of cleanup crew like Gile at least, like
like there's so much property damage and like dead bodies
all around all the time, Like who's taking care of
this Buffy?

Speaker 1 (52:09):
God fucking forbid? Like I don't so.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
In my mind, I'm like, the Watcher's Council must be
like employing some people to like take care of some things.
But then it's like, but they can't even keep track
of one girl. I don't trust them too.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
I actually just I just thought of something. The Watcher's Counsel,
you know, the do suck, Like they don't view these
girls as humans. They view these girls as cogs and
machine that they can wind up and have them fight.
And Buffy, especially as we see in her interactions with Kendra,

(52:47):
Buffy is a very atypical slayer. She is a slayer
who like wants to unionize, basically like she wants to
have her own life. She wants to do her own shit.
I wonder if the Watcher's Council knew that country got activated,
but then they were like, if Buffy Summers finds out
that someone else is slaying, like that's the only trump

(53:07):
card we have with this girl is being like, well,
if you don't do what the world's gonna end, well,
if you don't do what the world's gonna end, And
if we lose that trump card, if there is suddenly
someone else who can do it, and she knows that,
then she's going to stop helping us at all. And
it's very convenient to have a slayer that lives on
a hellmouth. So I wonder if they intentionally were like,

(53:28):
we can't let Giles and Buffy know there's another Slayer
because then Buffy's going to quit, So we have to
keep this a secret from them.

Speaker 2 (53:36):
Honestly, that makes a thot of sense.

Speaker 1 (53:40):
So Watcher's console was intentionally keeping these two girls from
each other because now they got double the labor. Yeah,
and they don't want these girls to unionize. They don't.
They said, don't talk about your paychecks.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
I mean Buffy already has like to learn that Kendra
has given up her life. She has no worldly bond,
she has no friends, She does not she is not
allowed to speak to boys like you know, and to
see that Buffy not only speaks to boys, she kisses
vampires and you know, like has friends and people in

(54:15):
her corner in her life. She has unionized. She has
employed her friends in slaveer duties like they are helping her.
They're as much a part of this crew as she is.
And I like to see that that's not only like
just as couraged. It's against the rules, like Giles is

(54:36):
breaking rules to make things better for the way that
Buffy operates.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
And I'm sure the Watchers, I'm sure the Watchers fucking
hate Buffy, like I'm sure they are so annoyed. She's
such a problem trial to them. Yeah, So then to
get a new Slayer who is so dedicated, they're like, okay,
whin whin? Yeah, this is great. My question is I
talked about last week. I was like, Kendrie Young and
her last the name became canonized for that card game,
and that is true, but she says specificly in this

(55:03):
episode she does not have a last name. No, my
parents gave her up so young that she doesn't have
a last name. She's just Kendra. So then I'm like,
why do they come up with young? People keep talking
about how young she is. I'm like, is that why?
I wonder if that's it? Like they said, Kendra Young,
she looks so young. She's been playing a teenager for
twenty years. Ken Yeah, or.

Speaker 2 (55:24):
Maybe she was like, Okay, come with me on a
thought journey.

Speaker 1 (55:28):
Uh huh.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
So she her parents gave her up, she doesn't have
like she's not with her parents anymore. All this to say,
maybe she moves to Utah.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
Your head canon as she goes back to her home
country and it tells her watcher we're moving to Provo.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
We're moving to Provo, and then she gets so like,
I don't know, Like she meets someone she's like, maybe
i'll be a young as well.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
I'll be young. There you go, you want Kendra to
be Mormon. So bad. I want everyone to be Mormon
so bad.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
And this is my journey with this podcast is to
comfort you all. I'm just kidding, kiddingding up, getting up,
getting up, getting Please you can cut that up. I
mean you can keep it.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
I like it.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
I also really love with Kendra seeing them fight together
like this in the like I like my eyes were
like brimming with tears. It was so thrilling to see.
And you know, like this girl like Buffy has felt
so cosmically lonely, like and obviously like she has all

(56:43):
of her friends with her and she's got their support,
she's got child support, like she is probably the most
supported Slayer who's ever been probably and it's still is
an incredibly lonely existence. And to see these two fight

(57:06):
together right next to each other, it I'm sure it
like felt so good to have someone's back in this
way and then have them have a year back in
the way that only a Slayer can be. It is
one of the most wonderful parts of this episode. Like
and then also you know, to jump to the end

(57:28):
of this, Kendra is incredibly wary of Angel, obviously, like
she's she is by the book. She is here two
Slay vampires.

Speaker 1 (57:38):
He should be killed. He's a vampire.

Speaker 2 (57:41):
Yeah, in her own words, he should be killed. He's
a vampire. And you know, and she's she really doesn't
understand why Buffy would, you know, put her life on
the line, put her friend's life on the line too.
She doesn't care about Drew getting to full power. She
wants Angel back, and Kendra's like, no, like that that

(58:04):
should not be the thing that you're so focused on.
And while I don't think that Kendra fully under like
understands where Buffy is coming from by the end of
the episode, and I don't think that she would, I
don't know that, you know, of course I don't. I
don't think she would, but she does kind of see
that Buffy is very different, like is living just a

(58:27):
different life than she is, Like she's not being held
for the same standards. And also like anyway, but to
like have Kendra come help Buffy get him out of
the rubble of this like crumbling church, you know, to
not just you know, be apathetic to if Angel lives
or dies, to like help Buffy save him, I thought

(58:50):
was really lovely. This girl is a wonderful person. And
then also to in the end be like, Okay, well,
I don't really get it, but I know he is
really cute. I thought that was fun.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
The Kendra and Buffy relationship feels like a sister dynamic
to me. They clash a lot, they do not see
eye to eye, but at the end of the day,
they have a shared experience that no one else understands
quite like they do. And I agree. I think it's

(59:20):
really special to see them be there for each other
like only Slayer can, like you said, and then the
end of the episode when they kind of part weighs
it is not necessarily like, oh my gosh, I totally
get you and you're super cool, but they have this
mutual respect. They have rubbed off, rubbed off on each other,
they have learned from each other. And then I love

(59:41):
that final line that I think Kendra has where she
says you're not alone, or like neither of us is alone.
I don't remember. I don't know why I didn't write
it down, but she says something along the lines of
like neither of us is alone anymore. Yeah, And I
think that's really special. Overall. I like the dynamic. I
like the relationship. I already talked about my issues with it.

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And there are plenty of issues to be had with it,
but I think it's really special to have this other
person that Buffy knows, this other person that knows that
Buffy is going through that like shares the mantle with
her that can relate to her. And I also think
it is I don't know, to keep with the intrigue

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of the show. I think it is also important that
Kendra is not in Sunnydale all the time because we
do still need the main conflict of like, but so
much is on our main character shoulders. Yeah, I agree, Yeah,
I like.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
And I'm sure there's like, you know, vampires to be
Slade where ends up. Yeah, there's a Helme outh in
Cleveland exactly exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:00:52):
Hell yeah, what else do we have to say about
this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
Let's think, well, I know we talked about it at
the top of the up, but just to the challengers
of it all.

Speaker 1 (01:01:05):
Was just like exciting to me. People, I really, you.

Speaker 2 (01:01:08):
Know, to to see their dynamic again because we know
that Angel, you know, sired Drew and is like a
big reason for the way that Drew is the way
she is. To like watch her in act kind of

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like sexy revenge on him and like, say, all the
people that he has like killed of hers. Like she's like,
I don't have an uncle anymore, you adam.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
She says, say uncle, just kidding, you killed my uncle.
It's like, okay, comedy, queen, So.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
I was living. I really was having fun.

Speaker 1 (01:01:48):
And also, like, you know, we know that Angel feels
a lot.

Speaker 2 (01:01:53):
Of guilt for the way that he has treated this girl,
in the way that he treated her family by killing them.

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Say uncle, just kidding, you killed mine.

Speaker 2 (01:02:04):
I think this is awesome. I think it's what he deserves.
You need to be punished.

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
I love the fact that Drew, or at least I
find the fact very interesting that Drew. In our previous
Drew and Angel interactions, she spoke of angelis with like
such reverence, yes, and that she thought he was so
cool and she misses him and is my boy all
gone away now? And then in this episode she does
talk with anger about the fact that he killed her family.

(01:02:32):
The fact that she holds both of those emotions is
very intriguing to me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
I so agree, like she.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Both is so in awe of the fact that he
was able to enact this evil and like really admires it,
but then also still holds a pain and resentment of
but you enacted that evil on me specifically.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
And she also holds that they had an intense relationship.
Like I think all of three of those things are
holding hands in the scene, and like you know, she
admires him, she also like wants him and she hates him,
and I am thrilled to watch it, Like it is
like incredibly interesting. And not to mention, she's got like

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her main thing that we know about her is that
she was very powerful. She's got this boyfriend who is
incredibly devoted, who is also somehow involved in this, and
like how Angel being here fucks up the dynamic that
we're seeing, Like it is in very, very very interesting

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to me.

Speaker 1 (01:03:40):
I agree. I think it is a bit of a
cheap way out to be like the ritual worked and
Drew is now powerful, but oh no, Spike is now sick.
I was like, girl, we've been like why are we switching?
But I mean, yeah, they have a longer arc play

(01:04:00):
and they can't have like a big climactic something happened
this early in the season. I understand, but it just
is that's a little eye rolly to me, but a
well sure in that final fight scene. It did make
me laugh. They're in a that church, they're doing the ritual.
Buffy and Kendra there fighting one counter does so many

(01:04:23):
backhand springs to enter that church for no fucking reason. Girl,
just run, it'd be faster.

Speaker 2 (01:04:29):
Like there's dominance, there's dominant.

Speaker 1 (01:04:34):
And then also this just made me giggle, the fact
that Buffy like takes down Spike makes them fall over
by swinging. I looked it up. The Thuri bowle, I
think is what it's called, the little like incense thing
that they have at mass. The fact that like that
specifically she picks it up and like swings it like
it's a lasso and then it bomks him in the

(01:04:57):
back of the head. That made me. He brings down
a whole wall.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:05:03):
Yes, And also, as we mentioned earlier, Cordy and Xander
kill the man who can make himself bugs together and
how they kill him is they put glue on the ground.
They trick him into becoming bugs. The bugs get stuck
on the glue and they stomp on him. And there
is a fight scene where the camera keeps cutting between
Buffy and Kendra like doing gymnastics, punching and killing vampires.

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Then cut to Cordy and Xander just stomping on the
ground and screaming, then cutting back to the gymnastics, and
that made me giggle. That was very fidy.

Speaker 2 (01:05:35):
I so agree. It is so exciting because it's also like,
I mean, this man is bugs like and they're treating
him like like killing bugs, like they're they're scared, and
they're like being silly, and then these two incredibly capable
young women like kicking hella ass. It is so funny.
Oh my god, I love that scene so much.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
All right, you have big final thoughts on What's My Lamp?
Part two?

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
Big final thoughts.

Speaker 1 (01:06:10):
I love when they've just when they've just established Okay,
here's what happened. Buffy died for a bit and Kendra's gag.
She's like, you died, and Buffy says, just for a minute,
and then Kendra says something about we can go back
to your watcher and get our orders, and Buffy says,
I don't take orders. I do things my way, and

(01:06:30):
Kendrick goes, no, wonder you died. That was a gag.
I loved that, No wonder you died? Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (01:06:44):
Oh. I also, I feel like I spent a lot
of time talking about Willie or whatever the hell' his
name was last week, and to watch him be a
sleeves ball to these young girls, I hated it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:56):
I was like, oh, damn, he squeezes up the young girls.
He asked if he can take pictures of the nude.
Hated that Xander hoses down Cordelia to get the maggots
off and then keeps hosing her down. Hated that, which
also I was like, up until this point, what I
liked about Xander and Cordy is that he was like
never attracted to her openly ever, and now he's skeezing

(01:07:18):
on her as well. And what was a third thing?
There was a third thing that I was like, this
really bothered me and I haven't mentioned it yet. Oh
I'm just like tired of every girl who doesn't attend
Sannydale High being horny for Xander. And it made a
little more like Kendrick can't bring herself to like talk

(01:07:40):
to Xanderah, it made more sense when she revealed that
she's not allowed to talk to boy's period because like,
no romantic anything can happen. And I was like, okay,
that it's less a Xander thing and more just like
a boy my age thing. So I was more forgiving
of it then, but I'm like, you want to sew
badly to believe this guy's a loser. And every time

(01:08:01):
a girl who doesn't attend his high school shows up
she wants to kiss him immediately. Yeah whatever, so will
shuster effect it is.

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
And it's also like, you know, I think we've said
this before, like like Nicholas Brennan is handsome. Yeah, he
is handsome, and and maybe this speaks to like he's
so fucking annoying that the girls in sunny Dale are like,
un they cannot be charmed by him. They're like, oh no,

(01:08:29):
he's so fucking annoying. Like maybe that's what it is.
But it's also like, oh my god, I hated to
see him do that to Cordy because it's like he like,
I think this works better when he does.

Speaker 1 (01:08:42):
Not notice her like this. I agree, and to like.

Speaker 2 (01:08:44):
Not only it while she is like straight up in danger,
like sexualize her and like you know, at the very worst,
like you know, like why was he doing that? Why
was he doing that? Stop so annoying?

Speaker 1 (01:09:00):
Well I think those are all my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (01:09:02):
I think those.

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
Oh yeah, con'll count this episode. I remembered for once.
Can you believe I can? So all of the kills
are in that church fight scene. The first one vampire
gets crossbowed by Rupert Giles, second one, the man who
can make himself bugs Nay Norman Fister. He gets stomped
on by Cordy and Xander. Is that how you say?

(01:09:25):
Is it Ney or is it me?

Speaker 2 (01:09:27):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
And let us know, you know n Ee with the
accent over the second e where it'll be like this
person's name and like Knie what they used to be called.
They do a lot for like na names. I don't
know if it's Nay or Nie. I'm going with Nay.

Speaker 2 (01:09:40):
Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:42):
Willow sticks a vampire during that battle. And then are
we counting this one? The cop lady, yeah, is like
on the ground at the end, but it's not specified
if she's dead or not. But then also the church
is starting to burn. No, not counting it. I'm fine

(01:10:04):
to not count it. Okay, that's I feel to not
count it. You feel called and I'm and who am
I to deny you're calling? Okay, that's three kills. I'll
add that to the list. Listenings to be updated for
last week, but I'll do that later. I'll just do
all this later. Okay, great worst part, Lena, what was

(01:10:27):
your worst part of this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:10:29):
I think that there's something systemically wrong happening here. But
I'm going to say our hero, Buffy Summers. I I
hold her dearly in my heart. This girl is my
literal hero, Like genuinely, I feel very, very very deeply

(01:10:53):
for her. I feel like I have modeled a lot
of my personality, like from the time I was very young,
to be like this girl. It is important to me
to be a Slayer in my day to day life,
like in my office job. I feel I feel, I
feel empowered by this television show and especially by this

(01:11:15):
young girl who I see a lot of myself in.
And of course she can have flaws, that is fine,
but I think she can have flaws.

Speaker 1 (01:11:24):
I draw the line at racism.

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
I think to have this girl, this show is named
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. There are no characters of color
in the show for her to act positively towards, So
we have to assume that Buffy Summers is acting in

(01:11:47):
a racist fashion, and you know, at worst is racist,
like it is incredibly like difficult to watch her do
that because I do care so deeply about her, and
then it's like, what the fuck you guys want us
to love her so much? I'm doing what this show
wants me to do. And by by loving her and

(01:12:07):
then watching her do this, I'm like, Okay, well what
the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:12:11):
Like I do not feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:12:14):
Like if this was a real person, I'd be like, well,
we can't what you know what I mean? And obviously
this is like you know, she is fake. This is
a complicated sitution. Like you know, that's a complicated.

Speaker 1 (01:12:24):
World that we live in, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:12:26):
But I why are they doing that? Why are they
doing that? And if it was just like you said,
a rivalry thing like this is the new girl in town,
I feel jealousy. I feel rival like this is my rival,
it would be different. And if you know anyway, I'm
just repeating ten things over and over and over. But
all this to say, that is my worst part, and

(01:12:47):
I dare I say it's one of my worst parts
so far. It is not appropriate and it makes me
sick and I don't like it, like that's my that's
my that's my girl, Like I do not want that
to happen on my television show. I feel nearly betrayed
by it. You know, Yeah, what's your worst part?

Speaker 1 (01:13:07):
Norrist parts? The other ing of Kendra. I just think
it's I think, not only I think like it is
pretty universally agreed on that the fatal flaw of Buffy
is how white the show is. And for them to
have their first multi episode named character of color and

(01:13:28):
have her be so like such an other, so different,
so not a part of the norm, so like cannot
gel in society, bury us versus them, I think is
a bad look. Even though she is ultimately a positive
character and ultimately Buffy does learn from her, I still
think it is a messy and bad look and is

(01:13:51):
just reinforcing the norm is us white people, and anything
else is other and strange. Even if it's like good,
it's still other and strange.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
And I think that, yeah, oh my god, that's You're
so right, You're so right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:06):
What is your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:14:08):
My best part is probably in the end Kendra and
Buffy fighting together, and how that you know, Buffy has
been feeling so alone and then realizes that she's not
and realizes that she, you know, has support in this
girl like. I I think that especially them like fighting

(01:14:28):
tag team is like incredibly exciting to see and I
think is like heartwarming to behold. What's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:14:36):
My best part is the loophole that Buffy dying and
Prophecy Girl called a new slayer.

Speaker 2 (01:14:43):
Awesome.

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
One of my one of my most prominent memories of
this show was how gagged I was at that reveal.
I think that is genius storytelling. I think that is
so exciting and the ways in which the show is
both able to keep Buffy having the weight of the

(01:15:05):
world on her shoulders and feeling like she has a
lot of responsibility, but then also it's now able to
hold a mirror up to her by having another Slayer
somewhere out there. I think it's extremely exciting. It's frankly,
one of my favorite plot choices on this entire show
is the fact that another Slayer gets called and there
are now two Slayers out in the world. I think

(01:15:26):
it's amazing. Yeah, do you want to give us a
gayest per jingle? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
I do. What is the gayest part of the episode
to you?

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
Well, it's beautiful.

Speaker 2 (01:15:41):
That was not my favor, but no, what's your gayest
part of this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:15:47):
I have literally no idea. The thing is, like I
would say, the challengers of it all. Yeah, Like, I
also think it's really straight for two guys to be like, oh,
well I used to kiss your girlfriend? Oh, you used
to kiss my girlfriend. Like, as much as I want
there to be sexual tension between Angel and Spike and
that scene, in my eyes, there not, I want to.

(01:16:11):
I want there to be too. I think Angel, like
tied up in shirtless is pretty gay though, so maybe
I'll just go with that.

Speaker 2 (01:16:17):
And that's what I was gonna say. I say, a
man tied up shirtless, that's pretty gay. Yeah, that's pretty gay.
I so agree. I also think, and I always say this,
I think a dominant woman is is very gay.

Speaker 1 (01:16:30):
Yeah, oh absolutely, Dominicus Drusella, come on, oh come on, yeah,
I agree. I agree. Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:16:39):
That was what's my line? Part one and part two.

Speaker 1 (01:16:43):
That big turning point in the season in the series
Crazy Crazy, It's strong now, Drew Strong, Now, Spikes week
now over burst. I love if your thoughts in the
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Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
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Thank you, that was stunning. Get this gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (01:17:21):
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Speaker 1 (01:17:22):
What you're joking, I'm not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:25):
I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:17:26):
That's how much I love you. I wanted to write
you a little song because I know how much I
love email time.

Speaker 1 (01:17:31):
I truly it means the world to me, and I
feel so seen in this moment. I feel so known.
For you to recognize that I love email time, and
for you to commemorate, commemorate that love with a song,
it is truly one of the grandest gifts I've ever
been given in my entire life.

Speaker 2 (01:17:47):
You're welcome. I love you.

Speaker 1 (01:17:49):
I love you too.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
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with the email.

Speaker 1 (01:17:56):
I would love nothing more in this entire world. Then
you commemorate the commemoration. I've got a really special one
for you today, Okay, laying on me.

Speaker 2 (01:18:08):
Okay, this one is from friend of the podcast, Drew
Forever Fan.

Speaker 1 (01:18:15):
Let's spreak through in here. Here we go. Hi, Eleena
and Ian I hope you both had an amazing Halloween.
I wanted to reach out on a topic that me
and my friends were discussing over the Halloween holiday. Are
vampires still scary? Dracula and vampires were originally some of
these scariest monsters. However, I feel in today's media they

(01:18:35):
are now generally the opposite. Vampires have turned into sex symbols.
Instead of vampires being the villains, they are now the
hero slash protagonist. Dressing up as vampires during Halloween has
now even leaned toward the colons rather than the nose arautus.
When did things switch? I think there is a good
argument that Buffy played a huge role in the rebranding

(01:18:57):
of vampires. Angel being portrayed as a vampire trying to
redeem his life presents a new way of thinking for
a classic monster. He humanizes the stereotype as a creature
who is not supposed to have a soul. We see
him care very much about Buffy and the Scoobies. He
even shows remorse over Drew and what he did to her.
Almost all modern media now shows vampires on both sides

(01:19:20):
of the equation. Yes, vampires are deadly predators, but that
can also be overcome with a strong enough will and
moral compass. Is this showing that there is life after death?
Curious about your thoughts, You're forever fan, Drew ps enlighten me.
If Ford would have come to Buffy pitching the idea
of saving his life by going vampire, would she be
supportive knowing Angel proves vampires could be good. I don't

(01:19:44):
think she would be supportive.

Speaker 2 (01:19:45):
I don't think.

Speaker 1 (01:19:46):
I don't think so either.

Speaker 2 (01:19:47):
I think that she thinks that Angel is an exception
to a rule, and she knows that Angel has a soul,
so she.

Speaker 1 (01:19:58):
Could be like Angel an information on that curse.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
Yeah, for she knows Ford wouldn't have one like Angel
has like very specific circumstances that make him good. I
think overall, she sees vampires as demons that need to
be slaid, and Angel is just a very specific circumstance.

Speaker 1 (01:20:17):
I agree. I am curious as like if she were
to get her hands on that curse, which would then
be like, well, this is the path to eternal life
exactly like turn them and immediately put the curse on
them before they kill anyone. They have no remorse, They've
committed no sin. They're just darving. Forever girl, they can

(01:20:38):
go to the meals on wheels with Angel, go to
the blood drive.

Speaker 2 (01:20:41):
Yeah, but he still has to steal. I'm sure he
feels bad about it. He feels remorse.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
What what I'm saying. I don't think it's a perfect fix.
I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:20:51):
I think Buffy still is. I think Buffy still has
a job.

Speaker 1 (01:20:54):
I mean, I think immortality. I think immortality as a whole,
as a curse, And there's ten thousand pieces of media
about this exact thing. No, I agree. Yeah, so I'm
leaning towards no on that.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
I feel pretty clear personally, But I don't know, especially
like I think, especially if Ford doesn't have any access
to any soul giving back materials, see any curses, like
there's no hope for him, and like you know, she
also it's Ford proves to her that he is not.

Speaker 1 (01:21:31):
He's not.

Speaker 2 (01:21:32):
I don't know, like especially with him being like there's
no other choice, Like he's not thinking clearly, you know, Yeah,
he's not the phone picture at all.

Speaker 1 (01:21:41):
I think the question posited is like if he came up,
it wasn't like I'm going to kill all these kids
and get that. If it was just like, hey, yeah,
you're dating a vampire. Yeah, I have ternal cancer. Could
he bite me and turn me into a vampire that
I could just live? I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
I feel pretty clearly that no, but maybe so maybe
other people pill differently.

Speaker 1 (01:22:02):
I mean, I think it would be interesting for her
to say no and then him to be like, Okay,
hypocrite City, like you're dating a guy who.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Is which I mean, hello, I do think that's true.
I think it's also hypocrite City. Yeah, I went to
hypocrit City and everyone said they knew everyone hello, Hello, Okay,
And for your question, when did vampires stop being scary?

Speaker 1 (01:22:26):
I really like this.

Speaker 2 (01:22:28):
I like this too, and I agree. I think angel
is probably especially for like our generation and our parents' generation,
you know, like even like Anne Rice, you know, in
the eighties nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Like I think like they've been the subject of a
lot of you know, pieces of media.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
And obviously, I mean I wasn't consuming media in the seventies,
so I don't know, But what do you.

Speaker 1 (01:22:55):
Think so obviously, like we weren't around, But I do
think there was a turn in the eighties nineties. I
think the n Rice of it all, I think, well,
funnily enough, I don't know because I think about like
the Monsters, and the Monsters has like Grandpa Dracula who

(01:23:19):
just like, hey, you kids, so like but the Monsters,
you know, was doing that with every kind of monster.
But then we still have like the Dracula movie in
the seventies that is scary. But I think the big
turning point is Interview with the Vampire, and then that
also is inspiring Buffy, and then Buffy I kind of
feel like, is inspiring Twilight, and I feel like those

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three pieces of media are pivotal and showing vampires who
have remorse, who have a conscience, and who we root for.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
Yeah, and then we get Michael B.

Speaker 1 (01:23:49):
Jordan in Sinners of course, of course, And I do
you make such an interesting point, Drew that it's like
vampires now a day can still be scary, but every
piece of vampire media now has a character that it's like,
but we empathize with this one to show like instead

(01:24:11):
of just a vampire is explicitly evil, It's like now
the story of a vampire is a story of severe temptation,
and there's always like someone fighting against the temptation and
trying to overcome the temptation, which I feel like in
old vampire media, it was always we were relating to

(01:24:33):
the victim and the vampire himself was the temptation. It
was like do I succumb to this person who is
like very enticing, who is very wealthy, who is very powerful.
And in modern vampire media, it is we are sympathizing
with the vampire and the temptation is murder, and like

(01:24:57):
will he succumb to that? Our POV character has shifted.

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, definitely. I also feel though monsterfuckers have always been
out there. Oh yeah, And I do think that there
has always been people watching Nose Faratu in the thirties
or forties or whatever that came out and being like, hmmm.

Speaker 1 (01:25:19):
Tap that and I love that. Hey, And you know,
I think you're not wrong. I think you're not wrong.
I think you're not wrong. I know I'm not wrong,
but I do agree.

Speaker 2 (01:25:33):
I think that especially I like what you said about
like perspective shift, you know, because we're definitely empathizing more
with vampires in media, I think in movies that I'm
seeing now, and I.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
Think, to payback off of what you said, Buffy and
Twilight just said what everyone was afraid to say, which
is like I want to fuck a vampire. But it
was like, don't worry, he's a nice one. Like, don't worry,
he's a nice one. Yeah, I think you're right. Like
from the dawn of vampire mythology, there's been someone who's like,
but I tap that. And now Buffy and Twilight just yes,

(01:26:12):
by the time about Twilight as a medium, as a
piece of media, they finally make it palatable for the
mainstream audience to be like, Okay, he's not like gross
in a murder, Like he's like a soft point. He
feels bad. Now all of the closeted monsterfuckers can now
proudly say, oh, I want to tap God with this

(01:26:34):
whole chest. And once you open that box, you can't
close that box. No, you really can't. You really can't.
And you can un ring that bell.

Speaker 2 (01:26:41):
Nos are out, fangs are bonus confirmed, and that's just
the truth.

Speaker 3 (01:26:49):
Mama.

Speaker 1 (01:26:50):
Yeah, but I really like this, I thought, and I do.
I also think part of it is more of an entry,
at least movie wise, more of an interest in gray stories,
because I feel like old Hollywood movies there was like

(01:27:13):
this is and a lot of this had to do
with you know, like the Hayes code and censorship, and
like movies have to show you know, proper morals and
that like the villainy is punished. But like old movies,
it was like this person is bad and this person
is good, and we are rooting for a good person
and we are against bad person. And then as media

(01:27:35):
has moved forward, we have wanted more stories about more
complicated and so we are now more enticed by a
story of someone who is fighting against a great evil
within themselves as opposed to someone who is fighting against
an external great evil. I love that. Oh. I also
want to shout out Lost Boys. I think Lost Boys

(01:27:56):
is big for monster fuckers.

Speaker 2 (01:28:00):
Thank god you said it, Thank God you said it.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
My God, that movie wrecked me. I also, I think this.

Speaker 2 (01:28:09):
Is a separate thought, but I do think I saw
a video the other day that was like all these
huge vampire movies are huge recession indicators, Like Twilight came
out like just before the two thousand and eight crash,
Like there's one like in the thirties. Sinners just came
out recently. Like I don't know, that's a separate thought,

(01:28:31):
but it just gets me thinking about like vampires in
our world and how we view them.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
And stuff. I don't know, what do you think that
says about how we view them?

Speaker 2 (01:28:42):
That times are fucking tough and I'm so hungry I
could eat blood.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
I have no idea, I really don't, but I'm sure
it says something about something.

Speaker 1 (01:28:55):
I mean, the concept of like a blood sucker. That's capitalism.
Yeah exactly, that's like, oh, a rich person sucking off
of everyone else.

Speaker 2 (01:29:07):
I mean definitely.

Speaker 1 (01:29:09):
I don't know. I don't know. Hey, I'm no vampire scholar.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Maybe I should become one.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
Maybe we should become some well interesting thought experiment. How
was your Halloween? My Halloween was so good, Thank you
for asking.

Speaker 2 (01:29:26):
I We just did a house party because my favorite
club is closing because they wouldn't unionize. Hate that, but
that's on them. So we did a house party. We
watched Twilight, we played One Night wear a Wolf. I
dressed like a vampire because I do want to fuck
a vampire and I want to be one. Well, I
don't want to be one, just in a sexy way,

(01:29:49):
though not in a real life way obviously. But yeah,
I had a lot of fun and then, yeah, that's
what I did.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
How was your Halloween? It was good. It was really fun. Good. Yeah.
I saw a friend that I hadn't seen in a
few months. I went to a Halloween party of hers.
I rode the MTA alone dressed as sexy slimmer and
people kept saying, oh, your Jim Carrey is the mask
and I said, no, I'm Slider from Ghostbusters. Phyllis Slimer.

(01:30:19):
And then I went to the Halloween party at my
friend's house and this girl I didn't know was getting
chips next to me, and I went, you're on a
stone uneasy a and she went, oh, my gosh, you
got my costume? And I said yes, And then she
said and you're a slimmer from Ghostbusters And I was like.

Speaker 2 (01:30:36):
Wait, are we psychically linked?

Speaker 1 (01:30:38):
It's like, is this cosmic?

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Do people not recognize that she's a soon easy a?

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
I I she was. She had the red A and everything.
I was pretty shocked that people didn't get it. Do
you people not love that movie?

Speaker 2 (01:30:52):
What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:30:53):
I mean, I don't really love that movie? What the hell?
What I recognized? Come on? Anyways, glad that you had
a good Halloween.

Speaker 2 (01:31:05):
Hope for an Emma Stone lover such as yourself, that
is intensely surprising to hear.

Speaker 1 (01:31:13):
There's stilly things about it. Anyways, got your nice Halloween. Yeah,
I love Halloween, me too. And now.

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library and meet Kendra and they're like who's Xander's like,
who's this? And Buffy says, oh, this gives a whole
explanation of like this is Kendra, She's another slayer. Apparently
there was a loophole like when I died, another slave
was called. And then Cordy just goes, Hi, nice to
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pass and keeps walking like could not be less interested
in this development. She just Kissander Harris. She's got bigger

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I do not think she cares about Kendra. I loved
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