BTVS S2E11 Ted

Is your mom's new boyfriend actually a girl hating cyborg or do you just not want her to be happy?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
I have a Glee corner. Oh we start great so
yes today friend of the podcast slash Our just our friend,
Andrew Guire was going to see a show at Green
and forty two called Still Holding On. That was Lee
May Harrington and Abraham Lynn from the Glee Project with

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special guests, and he had an extra ticket and he
asked if I wanted to go, and so I got
to go to that and it was a grandle time
and they also had previous guest of this podcast, Harper Gray.

Speaker 2 (00:33):
Harper Gray, did you meet me?

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Because no, because the show was longer than I anticipated
and we had to talk about Scooby Doo and so
when the show was over, I was like, I gotta run,
and I'll be honest, the three of them incredibly talented.
Also like had so much friends and family in the audience, right.

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I was like, Yeah, I'm not going to go to
Harper Graham and be like three and a half years ago,
you were on my podcast and we talked about your
time of the Glee Project love that if I like
had time, then I probably would have. But I was
already in a rush, and I was like, I'm not
going to hang around for like thirty minutes while she
talks to her friends and family as she should. Yeah,

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and then like have this weird interaction. But the show
was really lovely. It was very fun, Lily amazing a
lot of her original music, which was gorgeous, very cool,
herper Gray saying gravity by seber Ellis, and I was like, actually, yeah,
Abraham sang some of his original music and then also
just like a very diverse group of songs, and then

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they all ended by singing keep holding on like it
was the end of the Glee Project episode and it
was amazing.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
I love that. I'm so glad you went.

Speaker 1 (01:49):
It's fabulous good. So the Glee Project it's still live
and out there somewhere, the Glee Project.

Speaker 2 (01:55):
I can't stop talking about the Glee Project. People people
want me to people want me to shut the fuck up,
but I want there.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Actually people keep asking you.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I know, they're like, please, can you shut the fuck up?
And I'm like, but skoodooche skate, Like I won't let
it go.

Speaker 1 (02:09):
Lena's like in the line of the grocery store and
the clerk is like you actually you need to pay,
like stop talking about the Glee Project, and.

Speaker 2 (02:16):
I'm like, but no, you don't understand like Cameron.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
Mitchell, you understand the reason that Marissa went home is
because it was a flawed system and Ryan had never
seen her before, because she has never been to the bottom.
He worked against her that she had done so well.
I will never get over it.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
And of course Damian mcintey because he was doing a
piss poor job at the Glee project.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
Yes, Ryan loved Damien because he was like bad weekly
and then also credit to him, dam McGuinty is very charming.
He is. He's a very charming guy.

Speaker 2 (02:50):
No, I have him. Don't take that that outburst that
I had as me not loving him, Damian.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Tune back in. We love you. Recovering Gleek Presents.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
A clear Buffy podcast. Hello everyone, my name is Lena.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
And my name Mission, and welcome to Sliceler, a queer
Buffy podcast.

Speaker 1 (03:29):
Should we do the entire episode like that?

Speaker 2 (03:31):
Honestly, I was just thinking, I bet we are already
annoyed with us talk.

Speaker 1 (03:34):
About No, Okay, we are here to talk about Ted.
But before we talk about Ted, let's it's been we
the two of us have not recorded an episode of
this podcast for a few weeks because of scheduling stuff.
So we haven't talked. We have information to convey. Why
am I saying it like this, I'm speaking as if
I'm an alien who like has speaks English as a

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third language. Lena, you finally saw, oh why not?

Speaker 2 (04:07):
And so that that's a little preview as I'm gonna
talk about both. I finally saw I know what you
did last summer because I did a Freddy Prinz and
Sara Michelle Geller double feature for the Patreon. We talked
about Scooby Doo the two thousand and two you uh huh,
and I was just like, Wow, this is on Netflix,

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so I'm gonna watch it, and I don't know why
it took me so long to see it. And I
gotta be honest, I don't love the original I know
what you did last summer that much, not my faith.
I do love it as it is, you know, I mean,
that's my girl, Sarah Michelle Geller. Obviously Ellen shivers like

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and like, you know, like I like any like classic
slasher movie. I enjoy it, but it's just not my favorite,
I would say.

Speaker 3 (04:59):
So.

Speaker 2 (04:59):
I think that's why it wasn't like at the top
of my list to go see but I should have
seen it in theaters. I really should have. I don't
know why I didn't. Sometimes I disappoint myself, I guess anyway,
But I enjoyed it. I thought it was fun.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
I loved that movie, and I agree with you. This
is why I'm like, everyone needs, sincerely used to rewatch
the original because it's not that it's not that good.
It's not that good. So was the reboot that good? Yeah? Sure,
not really, but neither it's the original.

Speaker 2 (05:38):
There's the original. Yeah, like you guys have nostalgia glasses on,
Like I completely agree with what you and crib would
you have to say about it?

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (05:45):
And I don't enjoy that first movie in general, but
you know, it was like fun to watch, and I
love a slasher movie and I love to watch hot
people get killed. That's one of my favorite pastimes in
a horror movie, obviously, And so if it's got that,
I'm probably having fun.

Speaker 1 (06:07):
Yeah, And I love that the movie was obsessed with
Helen Shivers, that it was like, yeah, so actually it
was a mistake to kill her off, and we're never
gonna stop talking.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
About I so agree. They're like, let's put her picture
up everywhere and talk about her the whole.

Speaker 1 (06:20):
Time, and Ryan Philippe nowhere to be seen. They said,
fuck that guy.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
I know, they even like cropped him out of pictures.
Was he canceled or something?

Speaker 1 (06:29):
I don't Frankly, I know so little about Ryan Philippe,
I know his personal life or his career. Hey, this
is zan for in the future. Obviously we're talking about
Ryan Phillippy here. I don't know why I just decided
to say Philippe this entire conversation, it's Ryan Phillippy Okay bye.

Speaker 2 (06:49):
Honestly, the way that he's like cropped out of the
photo made me think that either he like sent a
season desist or he's been like majorly canceled.

Speaker 1 (06:58):
I know, I don't know. I don't know either, but
it didn't make me giggle. It made me giggle too.
This show, this movie obviously is like very centered around
our two living characters. Yes, but then even our one
of our dead characters is essentially like the third lead
because our picture is in every scene. And then one
of the core members of the original cast is not

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even mentioned, like they don't like to talk about him
at all.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Crazy, so funny, but honestly, I didn't I sort of
saw the ending coming only a little though, and then
I like, I thought that that was the case, and
then I talked myself out of it, and then when
it happened, I was super surprised, you know what I mean.
And then there was another reveal and I was like,
I didn't see that one coming at all, and that's
on me, dog, But I was having definitely a lot

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of fun. They pulled a fast one on me for real,
and I enjoyed it. I was like having fun.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I thought it was fun. I think it it both
had reference for the original and then also wasn't afraid
to pook fun not the original. There's a moment I mean,
maybe it's a little to all the noes, but it
made me giggle. A very climactic moment involves Jennifer love
Hewitt going.

Speaker 2 (08:10):
What are you waiting for?

Speaker 1 (08:12):
And that maybe giggle. I also love that one of
the teenagers suggests like we should just run away to
the Bahamas, and Freddy Prince is like, I don't remember
exactly what he says, but something about like that's a
bad idea. Have you ever seen the second one that's
in the Bahamas? Girl Fast sequel is crazy.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
No, but I want to.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Did you did you watch the after credits? I did, Hey,
I know I know this. Sorry everyone, Brandy's in the credits.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
I was surprised to see Brandy and I don't think
I knew that she was. I love Brandy is.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
The second lead of the seconds great. Yeah, and I
let me tell you, I saw the movie with Tiffany.
We were losing our ship the whole time. When there
is the moment in that movie, the cameo, we were
like screaming and losing our mind. Yeah, and then the
credits rolled, and then when it showed Brandy, we screamed

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so loud in that theater. Oh my gosh. I had
a great time. I thought the movie was fun.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
I love that. I'm looking forward to seeing the second
one because I mean, that's the iconography. Just something happened
in the first one that I was like, I have
to let this this franchise go.

Speaker 1 (09:29):
You know what, well, I think I think the way
the first one ends is literally the dumbest thing ever. No, yeah, absolutely,
I really don't like it, but yeah, it is what
it is.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
I think the first.

Speaker 1 (09:40):
Third of that movie are a lot of fun, but
I think the last third ye sucks.

Speaker 2 (09:43):
I agree, and honestly, like, I just think it is
like also, it's I think that movie is pretty palatable.
I think that movie is like when we watched it together,
I was definitely having fun. I think there are better
movies of that same genre. But it's like pretty inoffensive,
you know, in terms of like a good crowd pleasing

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slasher movie. I don't know. In the setting is so fun,
like at the Beach. I love that.

Speaker 1 (10:13):
I agree. I love AA with the Vampire.

Speaker 2 (10:18):
Okay, and I and you haven't seen this, but I
still hadn't. I hadn't seen it. No, not the movie,
seen the movie millions of times. It's true. And I
hate to hype this up to you, but it's true.
It's one of my favorite things I've seen a very

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very very very long time. It wrecked me, It tewed me,
upspit me out. It gave me the most gender envy
I've ever had for a single person. I uh, I
really loved it and I thought it was so gorgeous
and especially like the person who the guy who plays Lustatus,

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my god was like I need to be with him
and also be him in a very serious way. It
was It was a lot for my mind and body
to deal with. It was awesome. But honestly, though, and
I like and I just loved. I loved Claudia so

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much in the TV show. I loved Louis. I loved
being set in New Orleans. I thought that was wonderful
and very exciting. It is true and more all about
the show. I'm and I'm I'm. I've been watching Edits
all day long for like three days straight on TikTok,
like it's I'm pretty fucked up. Actually, it was so so,

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so good and I cannot wait for the third season.
It should be coming out next year. Okay, oh, but
it was glorious, seriously so good.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Yeah, I interviewed the Vampire. I should watch it. I
really should you? Yeah, I mean I still need to
watch the movie goodness sake.

Speaker 2 (12:10):
Yeah you haven't watched the movie?

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yeah, because I read that book for some guy who
was like, let's watch the movie and then we never did.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Dang it.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
Whatever, read a whole book. It is what it is.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
Anyways.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
Since last we spoke, I have wrapped my third production
of Rocky Horror. Hello, Hi, I had a grand congratulations,
thank you. It was so fun. Oh my gosh, I like,
can't put into words how fun it was. Front of

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the podcast. Jordan came and saw it on our Friday Friday,
I think she says, Hi, by the way, Hi, shout
out Jordan. The day after closing night, we had a
party and the cast party were a costume party and
the theme was sexy not sexy, which was I believe

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of my idea. I mean, I maybe maybe the owners
of the theater came up with it independently, but I
had said back in September to the cast, was like,
we should do it sexy not sexy Halloween. And then
all of a sudden last week they're like, the cast
parties happening in the theme of sexy not sexy, And
I went, is that did I do this?

Speaker 2 (13:29):
And I hope so you owe me money?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
And I did fulfill my prophecy that I brought up
in our Halloween episode, and I.

Speaker 2 (13:35):
Went as sexy Slimmer yay.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
And we had a costume contest and the person who
got second place got three votes and the person who
got first place got nine votes, and it was yours truly.
Here is my my certificate. Yes, it says the certificate

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is bestowed with the highest honors from the Intergalactic Committee
of the Galaxy of Transylvania for the sexiest non sexy
attire at the Rocky Horror Company party the community. The
Committee thanks you for your dedication and service to all
beings across our universe and all galaxies. Slay on Queen
with warmest wishes, Charles Atlas.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
I love that.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
So it was a success. Damn Hi today I know, O,
Lord Winner.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
I'm very amazing.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Because I have been talking about that costume for weeks,
for weeks, so I was very unpleased that it ended
up happening. And I feel the hoodie that I got
was a little too yellow, but oh well. But besides that,
I feel like I did it very well.

Speaker 2 (14:53):
Good. Yeah, I'm so glad to hear that. Oh I
loved doing contests. I never do, but I do love it.
I'm titillated at the idea.

Speaker 1 (15:03):
Our Frank Inforter at the party. I was playing it cool,
of course, but our Frank Conforter he had to leave
early so he couldn't go to the company party. And
I posted a picture of the costume of my story
and he responded to be like, oh my gosh, looks
great and I was like, sincerely, if I don't win tonight,
I'm going to burn their house down, Like I was.

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I was like in person, playing it cool, but not
doing that because I have been planning that costume for
so long in my brain. I was like, it will
be a real and honest test of my maturity as
a person if I don't win this costume contest, because
how I act the rest of this party is going
to be a real reflection on like who I actually am.

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And thankfully we didn't have to find out. Thank god,
because whoa it would have been really hard for me
to not be a brat about it.

Speaker 3 (15:56):
Also, that margin is huge, I know, I find a
landslide a sweep, okay, and thank god, congratulations.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Thank you so much. Do you want to talk about
the Vampire Slayer?

Speaker 2 (16:13):
I actually would, Oh my gosh, okay, great love that show.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Okay, crazy, I'm feeling similarly, so maybe I'll give you
some behind the scenes about an episode. Had a pick
an episode at random? Pick a number between one and ten?
Ten okay seven? No ten or seven? Pick one?

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay, sorry ten, I try to pick the right.

Speaker 1 (16:42):
One, okay, so okay ten? And then since I got
first place, in the costume contest. We're going to add
a one to the ten, and that makes eleven. Okay,
Now pick a number between one and five, okay, two, okay, two.

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So I guess maybe we'll do like season two and
then episode I said, did I say eleven?

Speaker 2 (17:14):
You said eleven?

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Okay, so do season two episode eleven. I'm gonna look
up what that is Buffy Season two episode eleven. It's Ted.
Oh my gosh, okay, cool. Do you want to talk
about Ted?

Speaker 2 (17:30):
Is it the eleventh episode?

Speaker 1 (17:31):
It is?

Speaker 2 (17:32):
Okay, sick? Okay, great? How you really? You really? Fucking
you kind of mentalisted me into that. It was kind
of fun. It was rigged.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
I had to add a number to make it eleven.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
Well it was one through Ted.

Speaker 1 (17:53):
Alright, let's do it.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
So, yeah, you're right, so whatever I would have said,
oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 1 (18:03):
Ted is the eleventh episode of season two Hey Season two,
episode eleven. It aired on December eighth, nineteen ninety seven.
It was written by David Greenwald and Joss Whedon. It
was directed by Bruce eth Green. He's not in the
episode obviously, because he's directing. His plate was too full.

Speaker 2 (18:22):
Yeah, it ever happens that you are covering a Bruce
Seth Green episode. Never Happens. I know, kind of my
first time, really exciting. Hi els nice.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
This episode has John Ritter as the special guest star
playing Ted. This is the first time that someone is
accredited as a special guest star. John Ritter is sitcom Royalty.
He played Jack Tripper on Three's Company for like, I
don't know, eight seasons. I don't know how long Three's
Company was on, but it is one of the most

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famous sitcoms in American history. It was a huge, huge success.

Speaker 2 (19:00):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
He won an Emmy Award for it. John Ritter has
gone on to do like a million other things, but
his most famous role is Jack Tripper and Three's Company.
And the character Jack Tripper is a chef, which might
be why Ted is like always cooking and like how
he manipulates people through food. It might be a shout
out to John Ritter's character in Three's Company. Okay. John

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Ritter is also the father of Jason Ritter. We got
any Jason ritd fans in the house, and he won
a fan of Gravity Falls. He plays Dipper Pines and
he won a fan of Melanie Lynsky. He's married to her.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Yes, he's bringing up a couple of times.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
Yeah, because he has to defend his wife, of course,
and I'm always sad.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
I'm trying to get Melanie Lynsky obviously the New Matlock.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Apparently he's in the New Matlock. I did not know
that I know Jason Ritter because he was in a
terrible NBC show called The Event that was on for
probably the like thirteen episodes and then canceled. But my
family was very into it, like sincerely, very into it,
and then it started off the rails very quickly. But
he was the lead in that shout out Jason Ritter
and a bigger shout out to his father, John Ritterer

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and his wife and his wife Melanie Lynskey, who tragically
is not on Buffy. What the hell's that about?

Speaker 2 (20:19):
What the hell is that about?

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Come on? So this episode was filmed during Halloween, and
a lot of members of the cast and crew came
to set on Halloween in costume. Oh fun. Christine Sutherland
came in dress like a nineteen fifties housewife as a
shout out to Ted's first wife in this episode, Stepford

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as a Stepford wife. Basically, yeah, Sarah Michelle Geller came
as Dorothy from the Wizard of Oz and then there's
no information about what anyone else came as, So hopefully
they have being.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
That sucks because that's totally something I'm interested in hearing.

Speaker 1 (20:57):
I agree, I want to hear what.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Hannigan came out. Do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Well, here is a quote I have from Alison Hannigan
about filming this episode. Alison Hannigan in two thousand and
five was interviewed and asked what her favorite Buffy episodes are,
and she said that this episode was her third favorite
to shoot. I don't know if she's like saying like
she thinks the episode is the third best, but like
she is, as far as her fondness of the experience

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of filming, this is her third favorite. And she said
quote John Ritter was the best. We would all just
hang out in his trailer and be like, hi, John Ritter,
and he didn't care, And we got to shoot out
a minigolf place.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Hey, and that is very slay. They're also like eating
like pizza and cookies the whole time in this episode.
I feel like that's.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Really very fun. She got to hang out with a
living legend and play minigolf and eat treats. That sounds awesome.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
I guess you're right, bro. Is this my favorite episode
to film?

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Yeah, because it's especially like we as a society are
far enough we moved from the Three's Company now that
it's hard for us to concept how famous John Ritter was.
I would say it would be like if you were
filming an episode and like Matt LeBlanc or like David
schwill on it totally. You know, like one of the
biggest sitcoms of all time that yes has been off

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for about like twenty years but is and was a huge,
huge deal. Both Sarah Michelle Geller and John Ritter were
sick when they filmed the final confrontation between Buffy and Ted.
Sarah Michelle Geller had the flu and John Ritter had
food poisoning then before. The foreign titles for this episode

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are super unexciting because all of them but two are
just Ted, which I mean makes sense for once. The
Germans actually followed the English and they named it Ted.
The French though they said, hell no, We're naming it
the Fiance, and the Italians named it Mom's Boyfriend, and

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those are.

Speaker 2 (23:06):
Let me give you a recap for this episode, just
in case you forgot previously on Buffy the Vampire Slayer.
Let me start by saying, fuck Ted. Joyce is dating
a new guy, and Buffy immediately has the creeps for him.
Her bullshit meter is going off the charts, but everyone
is so obsessed with him in his yummy food. Things
escalate when Buffy cheats at Mini Golf and he threatens her.
She opens up to Joyce and her friends and even Angel,

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and no one is taking her seriously. Buffy learns that
Ted is planning on marrying Joyce in two months, and
Ted goes through Oh Buffy learns that Ted is planning
on marrying Joyce in two months, and Ted goes through
Buffy's things and reads her journal and threatens Buffy again.
Ted hits Buffy, Buffy hits him back, and the tussel
ends with Buffy kicking him down the stairs and he dies. TBH,

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thank god, I hate child abusers. The gang starts to
do some digging and they learn that he is a
robot from the fifties who is perpetually kidnapping women to
fulfill some fucked up fans mission. Ted comes back, Joyce
gets the Ick, and Buffy uses his castern against him.
This is her house, bitch. All the while, Jenny and
Giles still haven't made amends because Giles won't leave Jenny

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alone to process. They go out slaying one night and
Jenny accidentally shoots Giles in the back with a crossbow
and that endears him to her and things are all better.
Joyce and Buffy are out of that awful situation with
disgusting Ted. Fuck Ted, And that's what you missed on
Buffy the Band prest.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
Layer, Hell yeah, fuck Ted? Oh yeah, all right, dad?
Season two eleven Ted an extremely upsetting episode to watch.
My god, I know, yeah, I have many notes in
my notes, but like I constantly I say, I have,

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like do I hate this man more than I've hated
any Buffy villain. This episode is making me so angry, insane.
I want to scream at this piece of shit. I yeah,
I really, this episode really did its job because I,
even prior to the child abuse, like, I had such

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fury and anger in my heart towards Ted. I think
this episode is maybe a bit controversial in the fandom.

Speaker 4 (25:26):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (25:27):
I think that a lot of people have a hard
time watching it and of course, teach their own. Everyone
form your own opinions. I do think whether you agree
with the goal that this episode has, I do think
that it achieved that goal because the reason it's so controversial,

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at least in things that I've seen, is people are like,
I hate Ted so much, I actually like, can't watch
the episode.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
I so agree, and frankly I agree, but I do
kind of really obviously, how much can you enjoy this story?
But I do think this episode is really successful at
what it does and because of that, and I think
it's really well done. I do kind of enjoy this episode.

Speaker 1 (26:17):
I think this is great. It made me absolutely furious
in a way that nobody episode has made me yet,
But like I said, that was its intention, and I
think it's very effective, you know. I think it's a
really effective Monster of the Week. It is hearkening back
to season one of what's a teenage issue? And how

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can we make it a monster? And the issue of
like my parent's significant other is a huge asshole and
no one seems to notice but me is a really
awful thing that a lot of people go through. And
this episode I felt what Buffy was feeling, Like I

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was like, I hate this man. I feel crazy that
no one else is reacting as if he is an asshole,
and I'm so furious a Joyce that like she is
just going along with it, ignoring her daughter, ignoring, like
not believing her daughter when she says that he threatened her.

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I think it's a very effective story. It made me
viscerally feel the way the Buffy felt in that circumstance,
And it is, you know what this show set out
to do, which is taking a teenage experience and making
it a creature feature, an elevated creature feature.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
I recently learned that like like a big factor in
like children who get abused. It's like whether they have
like a stepfather in the house specifically, like there's something
about that that you know specifically harms children and harms
the women who are with these men. It is like

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a disgusting thing, like people you know are going through this.
So I do think this story is worthwhile to put
on screen. And also, like obviously it's difficult to watch
because it is so you know, this is this is real,
this is happening, and in this it's he's a demon

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robot who like literally can't stop. It's extremely upsetting, but
it is also like so deeply effective and I so
agree ian to watch Joyce, who loves her daughter. We
know that she loves her daughter, Buffy open up to
her thinking that, like she feels so bad, and at

(28:52):
every turn, every single person involved is like, what are
you talking about? Like Ted is such a good guy,
Like you must be overreacting, Like honestly, Buffy are being
kind of weird and like possessive over your mom if
you're having these feelings even a little bit at all.
And of course, like it is very difficult. I think
I was around this age too when my mom started
dating my stepdad. One of the worst things me and

(29:15):
my mother went through ever period And I'm lucky like
my stepdad is, you know, a stand up individual, and
it still was very difficult, but people like treat you
like you're crazy in that situation, and you know, to
watch Buffy open up to Joyce after he threatens her,

(29:36):
thinking that you know, and Buffy knows, She's like, oh gosh,
like this is gonna suck because my mom is so happy,
like and this is gonna suck because she's going to
have to lose the sky and she's so happy right now,
and then for Joyce to straight up call her a liar, yeah,
and say like, no, that's not what happened. Ted told me.

(29:57):
It's like, oh, so you're gonna believe Ted over Buffy.
It's disgusting, and honestly, it was kind of thrilling to
watch twice in a row. I watch it two times today,
and to watch the food come into play in this
because it's a little more covert, but it's definitely there,
like to watch Joyce eat the cinnamon bun and literally

(30:19):
go hmm, and you know, like be put under the spell,
like she's literally doing ecstasy and like you know, is
being drugged by him, but all of them like it's
but it's like they're eating food at these like high
intensity moments as well, like right after Ted threatens Buffy

(30:40):
they have cookies and like it is really covert, but
it's like thrilling to watch a second time and to
like pick up on, which I thought was very fun.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
And I think the food is smart because to tell
the story, they need it to be a situation where
no one believes Buffy and they think she's overacting. But
also like, yeah, I would have a hard time for
giving these characters. Ever after this episode as a viewer, like,
I'd be like Joyce, actually I never want to see
on the show again. So I think they do a

(31:10):
good It's a smart plot device to be like we
get the no one believes Buffy aspect that we need
for the story to work, but then also we remove
some of the culpability from the characters by having it
be well they were being drugged into submission, so like
normal Joyce probably would have believed Buffy, but she was

(31:33):
drugged into not believing Buffy, and it kind of lets
us have our kick and eat it too, where we
have the like very visceral anger and frustration in the episode.
But then like next time we see Joyce, I'm not
like I'm turning this show off.

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Yeah, no, I so agree, And honestly that's confirmed two
times in this episode, a like when the Scoobies are
in the library researching Ted, they're like, Buffy would not
do this if it wasn't warranted, Like she's not just
a person who's gonna like kill somebody, like that's not her,
like this this was because of something. And then obviously

(32:10):
we see Xander eata Cookie and then he's like, oh,
it's fine, it's fine, it's whatever, and he becomes pliant
like they say. And then at the end when Ted
shows up and sees Joyce after she thinks he's dead
and Joyce hasn't had anything to eat and he doesn't
have anything to feed her, so she is like, a,
this is freaky, freaky, you're being weird. How did you

(32:32):
get in my house? Let me talk to my daughter?
And then he starts glitching and she realizes something is
really wrong. But immediately she is like, Okay, this is wrong,
like yeah, let me go talk to my daughter, and
like she cannot be persuaded, like she is like a
reasonable person and needs to run this by her daughter,
who is incredibly traumatized by this man. So yeah, that's

(32:55):
confirmed like two times that, like you know these people have,
you know, have reason within them. It's being covered by something.
So honestly, it's a thrilling watch on that account.

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yeah, I think the decision to cast John Ritter as
Ted is absolutely genius. One. He's just like a talented actor.
But I think it is a decision that has lost
its effectiveness since because as time goes on, we as
a society aren't like as aware of Three's Company, but
in nineteen ninety seven, like, this is a man who

(33:34):
is well known as that funny guy that we all love,
who is just like silly on that sitcom and super
non threatening, like he just is a very disarming, charming, funny,
nice guy, and then to cast him in this role
where when we meet Ted, he seems like maybe he's
the same way, you know, Like he immediately has Xander

(33:57):
and a Willow cook with him, and he is offering
Willow a gift, and he's saying like, well, if you're
important to Buffy, you're important to me, and then slowly
revealing that he is deeply troubled and malicious and narcissistic
and misogynist. I think it's extremely effective and also speaks

(34:21):
to children who are in these situations that everyone else
is like, what are you talking about? That's John Ritter,
Like what are you talking about? He's always been so
nice to me, He's always been so kind. He treats
all your friends well, And they don't see how he
is treating the child in private, or even like the
red flags that are being waived in public, because they

(34:42):
are so blinded by like how charming he.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
Is exactly yeah.

Speaker 1 (34:48):
I also think he does a great job in this episode.
Long before he ever threatens Buffy with physical violence, I
still was like I fucking hate this guy, Like, yeah,
they do so such a good job of having the
red flags flash like this shit about yes, him bringing

(35:08):
up like, well, I hope you're like just his constant overstepping.

Speaker 2 (35:12):
The whole grades.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
I hope your grades are going to improve them. Then
him taking mini golf so seriously and being like, actually,
that's cheating and you shouldn't be doing it that way,
just like him parenting a child that isn't his. That
is such an annoying and sometimes malicious thing that people

(35:36):
do where it's like, that's not your kid, You're actually
not in charge of them, let them live their lives.
And he does such a good job of being charming
to Joyce and then also being what is the word,
like subliminally so controlling and condesce sending towards Buffy in

(36:01):
those same scenes. I think he has a fantastic job.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
And that's totally like even him showing up to Buffy's
school is like so wild and obviously he's there crazy
or whatever, but like to go up to her, he's
met her once before, and he wants to invite her
to mini golf. It's like, okay, creep, like you're still

(36:23):
a random man. You don't know this girl, like, oh,
just gives you the willies and then to have every
and obviously these people are being charmed. Honestly, the way
he was describing that pizza, I was like Jesus where
he bakes it and then fries it in like garlic
and olive oil. I was like, give me one, give

(36:45):
me one, please, something so yummy.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
It looked nasty? Is that just me? Oh?

Speaker 2 (36:51):
Well, I mean I wasn't looking. I was just listening.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
I agree, it's good, but I mean that's that looks
hard as a rock. Why is it the size of
a cookie? And like, why is it the size of
a person's.

Speaker 2 (37:04):
They were personal pizzas.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
A personal pizza is bigger than your hand. Those were
like pizza bides.

Speaker 2 (37:10):
No, I know, no, I look what the hell is?

Speaker 1 (37:13):
Dry as hell and chalky as I'll get out.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Well, I mean it had ecstasy in it, so I'm
sure they were having fun. Even him, like as soon
as he meets her to be like no, it's really like,
I mean, obviously I'm not a step parent, but like
for him to be so gung ho that like we're
gonna be a family and not like like Buffy doesn't

(37:37):
have any agency in it even a little bit.

Speaker 3 (37:40):
Like it just.

Speaker 2 (37:44):
Made me sick, Like you're so right. The red flags
are there, but they are they definitely rev up to
then when he like threatens her after the mini golf thing,
it is I literally like I've seen this episode so
many times, but I like gasped. I was like, oh
my god, for this man that she's met three times
to take a game of minigolf so seriously that he

(38:06):
wants to slap her in like he threatens to hit her.
It made me sick. It made me sick to my stomach.
And then everyone to turn and eat cookies with him
and Joyce to not believe her. It's oh my god,
was like I'm going crazy. And you even see Buffy
kind of going crazy about it. She's like, well, I

(38:27):
must be the one overreacting. You see her kind of
being gas lip by everyone involved.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Yeah. Yeah, And he also has that the like hyper
masculine patriarchal vibe. Well, I think it's janius that he's
a salesman. He just is such a shinning example of
toxic masculinity of the whole. You know, we need to

(38:57):
be living our lives with honor and with integrity. But
he doesn't actually mean that. He's just meaning like, what
I think is right is honorable, and if you are
against me, you don't have integrity. Him being like, oh, well,
I heard you showed up to my office, so I
broke into your bedroom and I read your diary like

(39:19):
an eye for an eye basically, and then him being
like the fact that you cheated as she's looked a picture,
and then him being like, oh, the fact that you
cheated at a game of mini golf shows that you
are a delinquent and you're gonna like take the easy

(39:39):
way out of life, and I have to. It's just
it is the annoying breed of mail who wants to
be important and in control so badly, and so he
uses these buzzwords that make him seem like, you know,
a shiny example of good, positive masculinity, but it is

(40:02):
actually just his way of getting control of every situation,
just painting everything he does as being like the most upstanding,
honest thing he could possibly do, and if you are
doing something different, it is because you are a screw
up and a delinquent.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Yeah. One of the scariest moments too, is you know
when Joyce sees him at the end, after he has
already died to her, and he's like, I don't I
tell you what to do. I don't take orders from women.
And I mean that's like a classic to me. You know,

(40:36):
obviously this is a monster of the week, but these
are like classic abuse pattern patterns where it's like going
for who they deem is like the weakest in the house,
and then it like spreading to everyone else, and like
Joyce finally realizing that he is really violent and like,
you know what signs was I missing? I don't know,

(40:57):
Like that part is so scary, and also like he's
staying the quiet part out loud, he like, yeah, doesn't
think women are people, Like he doesn't take orders from women.
He wants to run a household, he wants to control
a group of people. He wants to control women. And
it's sick and twisted.

Speaker 1 (41:15):
Yeah, And it's it's these men who view being a
father and being a husband as like this is my
way to essentially dominate over my own kingdom. Yeah, like
I am the head of the household. Instead of it
being kind of a group effort where we are all
we all have a say. It is like I am

(41:36):
the king, this is my kingdom, and I can live
out my power fantasy and it all. It is so
clear from the beginning with the way that he immediately
even though at the beginning he is, you know, pretending
to be positively interested in Buffy's life, from the beginning,
he is taking way too much control over her life.
They literally have just met. She didn't even know her

(41:57):
mam was dating anyone. She stumbles in on the two
of them, and he immediately is like, Hi, I'm your
mom's boyfriend, and now I'm going to befriend your friends.
I'm going to make like close relationships with your friends,
and I'm going to show up at your school tomorrow.
She just met this guy like he It is that
the it's the power kick, it's the wanting to be

(42:19):
in charge of something, the like wanting to feel like
you're a big, strong man and that you can have
the authority that society has promised you your entire life. Yeah,
and I you know, there's good and bad people everywhere.
I'm sure there's a lot of salespeople who are really
fantastic people. But it does make a lot of sense

(42:41):
that a guy who's a master manipulator and a guy
who has a huge power kick would also work as
a salesman and be the best salesman at the company.

Speaker 2 (42:51):
I'm saying, no, I so agree, and I mean, like
the way he even is speaking to this woman who
is like purchasing something from him. He's like, no, it
is very expensive, and I guess if you don't want it,
you want something cheap. He's like, is manipulating her in
that way to like spend more money on Uh. It
makes me sick.

Speaker 1 (43:17):
Let's pivot a bit. I want to talk about the
consequences of this episode. This episode is like a lastic
Monster of the week. You know, it's about Ted, and
we never see Ted again, and you could nothing really
of any importance over in the overarching plot of the
show happens in this episode, so you could very easily

(43:38):
like skip over it. And yet there are so many
things that I'm like, realistically, this should have major repercussions,
Like Buffy confesses to manslaughter in this episode, and then
I realized that Ted comes back to life, so they
just assume it was like a coma yeah, but still
like she confessed to like pushing a man down the

(44:00):
stairs and him getting knocked into a Yeah, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
Also, like the trauma that this you know, Joyce and
her go through, like they watched this guy die and
like that's probably on her record, like obviously he's not
gonna press charger charges, but like she literally went like

(44:28):
they took her in like they.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
Didn't in a station.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
Yeah, Like I don't think they like, you know, put
her in jail at all, but they still and that cop,
oh my god, such a fucking asshole. Even he didn't
believe her or he was She was like he you know,
he hurt me, And he's like, well I don't see
a brooms and it's like, okay, what the fuck? Okay,

(44:53):
so you don't believe like he's not even eating the cookies.
He's not even eating the cookies.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
The kicker of that whole scenario that I was like,
this is my own personal experience, so exactly how cops
are where he is clearly doubting everything she's saying, where
he's like, well I don't see a bruise, will did
he ever hit you before this? Night, and then she
essentially calls him out on it, being like, so, do

(45:20):
you think I'm lying? And he says no, of course
I believe you, but like doesn't look her in the
eye and then write something down. It is that whole
bullshit of like, yeah, you know, they don't believe you
and they think you're a little piece of shit. But
then they will say that they're on your side because
they're trying to get you to say something to so
that they can implicate you for something.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
Exactly like anyways, obviously, like Buffy, she literally confesses to it,
like she feels so awful. Her entire school looks at
her like she is a murderer, like, and they don't
care about what happened before. They don't care about that

(46:02):
he was trying to hurt her, that he did hurt her,
like to see a grown man hit a young girl
like that made me sick to my stomach, and people
don't care. Cops don't care.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
Yeah, well, it's also it's also it's the fact that
it's exactly what Ted does, where he just makes a
decision about who Buffy is. The cop has decided that
she's a delinquent, and so no matter what she says,
He's going to be like, well she's lying, Like this

(46:38):
is I don't know if I'll cut this or not.
I had an experience in high school with a cop
that was very similar to this, where he had just
decided that I was a delinquent, and no matter what
I said, even though I was telling him the truth,
I could tell that he did not believe me. And
then when my parents showed up up, he lied to

(47:02):
them about the stuff that I said and told him
that I said stuff that I did not say, and
then he told me that I was going to grow
up to be a fry cook. I fucking hate cops. Okay,
I have been in this ex I mean it was
a man didn't fall down the stairs and die, but
I was in this exact scenario where it was like,
I'm literally fucking telling you the truth. But I can

(47:23):
tell that you made a decision about who I was
the second you walked up, and no matter what I say,
nothing is going to change your opinion of who I am.
Oh my god, it's so frustrating.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
He literally, honestly, I think you should keep that.

Speaker 1 (47:39):
He told me. He told me that if he could,
he was angry that I was a minor, because if
he could, he would make me spend the night in jail.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
Oh my god. Yeah, I literally, and I'm going to
say this publicly. I hate cops. I seriously, like, what
the hell? How old are you?

Speaker 1 (48:00):
I was sixteen?

Speaker 2 (48:02):
What a disgusting thing to say.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
And I had I'll just like say it. I'd hit
something with my car because I was driving my parents'
van and I had just got my license and it
was a car that I wasn't used to the size of,
Like I fully like I hit something with my car,
like I did.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Like running out to drive.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah, yes, but he the person who owned the thing
that I hit, saw that I was a sixteen year
old and told the cop this is just a kid.
I'm not going to press charges. And the cop was
angry at them that they didn't want to press charges
against me, and also like would not like was convinced

(48:43):
that I was like hi, or like drunk or like
taking some substance. And I was like, really insincerely, I'm
not used to a car this big, and I just
got my license and like it was an honest mistake,
and he just like would not listen to me. He
he breathalyzed me, he made me do drunk test three
separate times, Like it was insanity? What is? And I

(49:08):
hated cops like ever since?

Speaker 2 (49:12):
That's really really really upsetting to hear, and like what
is the power trip you're on? Like why do you
like get so much pleasure out of hurting people like
this and like traumatizing them and not to mention like
the killing them sometimes, Like how often do we read
stories about cops on power trips and especially with like

(49:34):
young black men, like literally killing Them's like like, I
like the most safe scenarios, they're making them do like
drunk tests three times in a row because they want
to convict them. In worse scenarios, they're killing them.

Speaker 1 (49:48):
I was like if my white ass, yeah, and like
upper middle class suburban Scotts till Arizona got treated like
that by a cop. I literally cannot imagine what it
would have been like if I was in a different
location and if I was not white.

Speaker 2 (50:07):
Yeah, ridiculous, God, no, that is really ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
So yeah, so this scene with Buffy and the cop,
I was like, damn, this is really true to life,
Like this really is.

Speaker 2 (50:19):
No, We're totally I hear you I totally do. Yeah,
I think, and also like, I think every adult in
Buffy's light life treats her like this, other than Giles,
like we see Joyce treating her like this several times.
All of her teachers other than her one science teacher
who passed away, like who was murdered, Like every single

(50:43):
adult in her life has made a choice about her
and no matter what she does, no matter who is
hurting her, no matter what situation she is in, like
they cannot see beyond like the violence in her wake.
And it just makes me so upsety.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
And we have I remembered this episode obviously, I remembered
it was Mom's boyfriend. He's a robot. I had totally
forgotten that. Like there's the fake out where she fully
thinks that she killed him. I know, I know, Yeah,
I am a little bit like that's actually so crazy.
I still am not sure if I like the decision

(51:24):
to like have her think that she killed him. Yeah,
but it does. I mean, it is interesting to see
Buffy grapple with uh, yes, you know he was a
huge asshole and yes he did hit me, but also
in her mind, this is a human, a regular human

(51:46):
man that it's like I know that I have superpowers,
and yeah, I now like I abused my power by
using my super strength. Yeah, and he's now dead. I
don't know if this was the time to tell that story,

(52:07):
Like it just kind of felt like it maybe muddied
the episode for me, but it is certainly an interesting
story to tell. Why are you laughing?

Speaker 2 (52:18):
I laughed at myself. She would sick mode. I just
don't know what I've ever said sicko mode before, but right,
she did, and that's why I said.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
It, because she did.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
I don't know, I just made myself laugh. It just
you know, when you say a phrase but like doesn't
even feel feel right in your mouth.

Speaker 1 (52:45):
It just feels like a bigger storyline than being like, yeah,
a ten minute sequence of the episode. It was a
little confusing to me.

Speaker 2 (52:54):
Yeah, and like deeply traumatizing to my girl. Like obviously
it ends well because he's not a he's not a
human robot, he is a robot, but I think the
feelings like I don't know, the body keeps score and

(53:14):
also for like I cannot imagine to Joyce in being
Joyce in the situation A I have to just maybe
giggle and maybe and maybe they were trying to like
keep the tone a little less scream cry, but like

(53:37):
the way Joyce goes he's dead and not like, oh
my god, my daughter just killed a man, like and
not screaming, crying, freaking the fuck out. I just watch
my daughter murder someone. He's dead.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
She goes, joy he killed I have a note that's says, okay,
Joyce's you killed him is riddict Like, lady, this man
is dead. Your daughter just made a man dead. Let's
get a little fire burning. Like I so agree, Mary,
this is not the time to be chill. This man's dead.

(54:15):
Your don't just kill a person.

Speaker 2 (54:16):
I mean, I know she's on ecstasy, but drugs only
do so much.

Speaker 1 (54:22):
I was expecting like a what did you do? Like
why are we? Why are we at a one here?
I know this is called for.

Speaker 2 (54:32):
No. I know. And it's also like, okay, Joyce, that's
your boyfriend. You just watch even if it wasn't her boy,
even if this was a stranger and she watched her
daughter throw a man down the stairs.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Until he was dead. Yeah, we had one. Excuse me?

Speaker 2 (54:50):
Why are we had one?

Speaker 1 (54:51):
No? I so agree. It was ridiculous, very odd, very odd.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
I don't and I couldn't figure out why. And maybe
and maybe it's the drugs. Maybe it's the like trying
to keep the tone a little less traumatizing for our girl.
I can't tell.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
I think maybe trying to keep the tone a little
less traumatizing for our youth audience. I don't think a
grown woman screaming about the fact that a man has died.
They're trying to.

Speaker 2 (55:29):
Be like I don't know, said several times. Yeah, they
take like death is not taken as seriously as it is.
It's a made.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
It's like, oh, you stubbed his toe, he's dead. You
kill them.

Speaker 2 (55:47):
He stubbed his tongue. Even that, I'd be like, if
someone specifically stubbed someone's toe on purpose, I'd be like,
what the hell. I'd like to stop, buddy, I can't
believe him. Oh my god, I got to look at
you right now. Why would you do that? So Bikito

(56:10):
was so sensitive, you know, it also confused.

Speaker 1 (56:17):
I was. It's very ridiculous. It's also crazy to me
that like Joyce snow goes the rest of her life
believing that she dated a serial killer, like not just
oh my gosh, I had a boyfriend who was like
massively abusive. That's bad enough, but they found four dead

(56:39):
bodies in his closet. Like Joyce believes that this man
that was in her house, that was probably in her
has killed multiple people. And now just the rest of
the show is just gonna be Joyce Summer's just living
her life doing her art galleries. No, oh my gosh,

(57:01):
I almost got engaged to serial killer.

Speaker 2 (57:06):
Yeah, why did you have to bring up that he
was in her because because of a bed Choyce is celibate.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 1 (57:16):
I genuinely you're a liar. With the robot thing. One
of my first thoughts was does he have a robot penis?

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Oh my god? And how does it work? And now
how does it work?

Speaker 1 (57:28):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Oh my god? And also like or maybe he's like
up in his fifties game and maybe he's waiting for marriage.

Speaker 1 (57:35):
Yeah, maybe that's actually a question. Do you think the
original Ted was from the nineteen fifties because his bunker
is very I thought that was the case. No, yeah,
I because that's what I think. Yeah, okay, shut out.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
And like his first marriage certificate was in the fifties.

Speaker 1 (57:57):
Oh do they say that in the episode.

Speaker 2 (57:59):
Yeah, they do because they find his marriage certificate and
they're like, oh, he was like two years old when
he got married. Like that's weird.

Speaker 1 (58:06):
Okay, never mind, it's fully cannon. And I wasn't listening, Okay,
got it, gotta got up.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
I mean, maybe I'm I'm listening to the wrong things,
but I do think that. Yeah. And also these corpses,
Joyce joycey, these corpses are like, are like fifty years old?

Speaker 1 (58:22):
Yes, they can. They know how to date a body.
So she's like, oh my gosh, he's like a true sociopath.
He killed his first person when he was ten, Like
she really is. She thinks that this it's like someone
who is deeply disturbed. She said, I'm dating I'm dating
that kid from the Omen.

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Remember when he says Daddy's home. That's when Joyce officially
got the dick.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I think I know.

Speaker 2 (58:56):
She said, I can excuse you like this man's psycho purfer.

Speaker 1 (59:01):
I can excuse threatening my daughter, but I draw the
line at calling yourself daddy. Daddy. You can excuse threatening
your daughter. I can excuse racism, but I draw the
line at animal cruelty. You can excuse racism.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
Excuse racism. Do you guys, if you're not watching Community,
what the hell are you doing?

Speaker 1 (59:29):
I also think that these kids are way too chill
about stumbling on the four dead bodies. Xander opens the
closet and is like, oh, and then Will it's like
what is it? And he says, I found Tad's last
four wives, and then Will and Cordeli are just like, Okay, well,
I guess that's new information. Time to head out and

(59:50):
just climb the ladders. There are four dead bodies down here.

Speaker 2 (59:56):
I so agree, And frankly, I kind of like how
Xander is kind of chill about it, because it's kind
of giving like, oh, I'm going to process this later,
like I'm we gotta go, you know what I mean?
Like and I know that, like I know that feeling down,
but like the girls being like okay, so let's go,
like and not freaking out being like in there, what
do you mean? Like even like to if I were

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to hear that I was in the room for dead
women and that I went to someone's murder den, I'd
freak the freaking out.

Speaker 1 (01:00:37):
They don't care, they are they're still, they're still, They're on.

Speaker 2 (01:00:42):
Like a week and a half works like worth of ecstasy.
They were It's hard to come down from them exactly,
exactly certainly, and I mean they had it was hellic cookies.
They said they have extras for the rest of the week,
and the gonna need him after seeing I've never done ecstasy.
I don't really know how it works.

Speaker 1 (01:01:03):
Girl, neither do I. Do you want to about Jenny
and Giles.

Speaker 2 (01:01:10):
I want to so bad real thank god Jenny.

Speaker 1 (01:01:13):
Is bad and it feels so good. H hell yeah,
Jenny and Gil's together again.

Speaker 2 (01:01:25):
I gotta say I love this plot so much. I
think that this is one of you know, like the
lasting trauma that this character is feeling. I think is

(01:01:45):
so wonderful to see that. It's like a multi episode
arc where it's like, no, things are not going to
be fixed in the next episode. I'm not gonna just
fucking forget what happened to me. And like, from a
narrative standpoint, I love that, but also like as a
human who also takes a long time to get over things,
I love that as well. And I love this so

(01:02:06):
much because obviously Giles cares so deeply, and I feel like,
you know, sometimes your loved one, your partner goes through
something and you want to help so bad, but really
the thing that's gonna be the most helpful is for
you to back the fuck off, and that is so difficult.
So I love this. I love this plot so much.

(01:02:29):
And for Jenny to say, like I need I need
some space, you need to back away, like I'm you're
you're really upset because I'm not okay and that makes
me feel like shit because I'm not okay and it's
a vicious cycle and you're making me feel worse. And
what I really need to do is actually just get better,
and you are making it worse by humming and huing

(01:02:51):
and being a little puppy dog all the fucking time
around me. So actually go away. I think it's wonderful
because obviously this woman cares so deeply for him, but
like she's not sleeping, well she is. She has just
gone through something really difficult for her, and Giles needs
to understand that he can't he can't internalize that he's

(01:03:12):
got to let her, he's got to let her heal
and that she'll come to him when she's ready.

Speaker 1 (01:03:17):
And then she comes to him at the end of
the episode.

Speaker 2 (01:03:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I liked their their little vamp fighting duo. I thought
was fun her accidentally.

Speaker 2 (01:03:29):
Shooting I love that. That was such a wonderful moment
of levity in this really difficult episode to watch, Like
I really was giggling, and the way that they too,
Like she gets the vamp eventually and she's like, okay,
I'll take you to the hospital, and they're genuinely giggling

(01:03:51):
so much. He just shooting him in the back of
the grossbow Like, it's such a wonderful moment in this
episode to watch. I love I love them, I really,
really really do.

Speaker 1 (01:04:07):
I agree. It's a nice little escape. The rest of
the episode is so heavy that it's it's just like
a nice little romantic comedy that's going on. Yeah, which's nice.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
And I love like him being shot in the back
and then saved by all the tweed. It's just so silly.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
It's very good. It's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
And like also like you're so right, like so like
such a rom com trope, like oopsie, and like nothing
like she is genuinely like, wow, that's such a good
way to to win me back is to get shot
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
I don't know, I love them.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Other thoughts about this episode. It is often stated by
the writers of the show that Cordelia Chase's role in
the Scoobies and in the show is to be the
truth teller. That like, Cordelia is very blunt and so
therefore she doesn't care about people see it feelings and
she's just gonna say things how they are. And I
feel like this episode is so utilizes that aspect of

(01:05:12):
Cordelia so well. I love the scene when they're in
the library and Ted has been his toe has been
stubbed by Buffy and they're trying to like sort it out,
and first Cordelia being like, well, Buffy is, you know,
like a superhero and she has this big responsibilities, like basically,

(01:05:33):
shouldn't she be allowed to like accidentally kill someone every
once in a while?

Speaker 2 (01:05:37):
Yeah, shouldn't she have a license to kill?

Speaker 1 (01:05:41):
And then Will is saying sure in a fascist society
and critically going right, why can't we have one of those?
And then my favorite Cordelia line of the episode, when
Giles is saying that Buffy's probably gonna have a hard
time getting over this, because when you kill a person,
the guilt that's pretty hard to be. It won't go away.
Anytime soon, and Cordelia just like full earnestness goes. I

(01:06:05):
guess you should know since you helped raise that demon
that killed the guy that one time. I love that
exchange so much. I love you know. Cordelia obviously is
a bit of a mean girl and a bit of
a mean person, but also most of the time it

(01:06:25):
is not mean. It is just that like she has
no awareness whatsoever. Yeah, and her just stating she's just
stating the fact, like, oh, well, makes sense that you
would know how she's feeling, because like, you also helped
kill someone in the past as well. It's so good.
I saw a tram.

Speaker 2 (01:06:46):
I know. Also, her outfit in this is so cute.
She's wearing this and like I can tell she has
she's had a bang trim recently. She's just looking so beautiful.
I agree, Oh my god. I Also, I have to
say I've seen people on the Buffy TikTok they don't ship, uh,
which to each their yeah, which to each their own

(01:07:08):
for sure, But I don't know. This dynamic is fun
to me, Like you know, Xander being like, hey, I
like your outfit and her being like what shut the
fuck up? Like in public, like just like being so
overtly mean and then being like they're gonna know if
you're nice to me, when like she's that's just that

(01:07:30):
that moment was so funny. And then for him to
be like, well, whatever do you want to go make
it on in the supply closet and she's like, yeah,
let's do.

Speaker 1 (01:07:38):
It, like inaction to mean, is that all you ever
think about? Yeah, like her first being like you're disgusting,
but yeah, actually I would like to. I guess I'm
a big Cordy Xander shipper.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Yeah, yeah, I And that's that's the thing. I also
feel like Xander had a really like a lot of
funny lines this episode. I don't know he was. He
was making me laugh. I think, like especially when the
when all three of them are together. When I when
Willow and Xander and Cordier together, like something magic happens

(01:08:19):
with the banter between them, I find myself laughing every time.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
I also find when Xander's involved with Cordelia obviously like
he still continues every once in a while to like
say something annoying about how Buffy should be into him,
but it happens much less frequently because he is involved
with Cordelia, and so I do like his character much
more when they're together because one of the most aggravating

(01:08:47):
character traits he has has been muted.

Speaker 2 (01:08:51):
Yeah, I agree, I agree.

Speaker 1 (01:08:55):
Other thoughts about this episode. Sunnydale does not have many
golf lest we forget, and when she was bad, they
explicitly state that there's a mini golf course. So who
in the last ten weeks funded and built a mini
golf course? Radle me that Sunnydale town Council. What the hell?

Speaker 2 (01:09:16):
Who did that? Probably Ted with all his proper sales
buss asshole.

Speaker 1 (01:09:20):
He said, I need a fifth wife. I'm gonna start
building a mini golf course.

Speaker 2 (01:09:25):
I've got so many questions too about this robot's day
to day life. So obviously he has he's had four
other wives since the fifties.

Speaker 1 (01:09:36):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
And he like is like killing it at his sales job.
How long has he been working there?

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
I was like a new thing.

Speaker 2 (01:09:47):
Has he just been kind of bored? So he's like,
maybe I'll get a job between looking for a wife,
you know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:09:56):
I mean a job's way to meet the ladies. I
think maybe just kind of lives the life that Ted lived.
But in a more extreme rigon. He just like goes
about his day to day life as if he's still ted.

Speaker 2 (01:10:12):
Oh sure, because like, does he even know that he?
I mean, he says, I'm not programmed that way, But
does he even realize that he's a robot?

Speaker 1 (01:10:23):
Do any of us? But I don't know, genuinely, I
have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:10:27):
WHOA, you got me there, you got me there?

Speaker 1 (01:10:31):
But I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
I don't know either. I've got questions, but I don't
like him enough to ask them.

Speaker 1 (01:10:41):
Other miscellaneous thoughts that I have. I think it's smart
that we are not moving forward with the Tarakan assassins.
Is that how you pronounce it? Tarakin? I don't remember Taracan.
I think that's.

Speaker 2 (01:10:57):
Smart, like the age of the Order of TCA.

Speaker 1 (01:11:01):
Yes, the truck and assassins. I think it's smart to
not move forward with them. I do think it's incredibly
hand wavy to just be like, uh, the contract was
called off. It was just like we didn't really consider
we didn't consider that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:15):
I guess the contract has been called off.

Speaker 1 (01:11:17):
That if we wrote a bounty hunting organization into this
show that will stop at nothing to defeat Buffy, that
we would then have to deal with that for the
rest of the series. So actually we did it for
two episodes and we're kind of sick with it. So
the contract's been called off. We're going to move on
to something else.

Speaker 2 (01:11:33):
Yeah. It's also like I feel like if I was
if I had traveled all that way, I'm not coming
back with that a without a fistful attack.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
I think we're supposed to believe that those three are dead. Okay,
I guess so, but like others should have been sent
in their plays.

Speaker 2 (01:11:52):
Yeah, order of TCA, I've got questions, but I don't
like you enough to ask.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
I also love of the beginning of this episode of
Willow and Xander arguing over who was the boss in
the Captain and Tanil. I think that is massively stupid.

Speaker 2 (01:12:11):
I know, I agree, and I also don't know what
that is. So when Xander is like.

Speaker 4 (01:12:16):
The love will keep us together ntive forever, some sweet
talking girl comes along singing a song.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Do you not know this song? Okay? Starting with that song,
I'm thinking that's Captain Intanil. They're a band. Okay, it's
a merried couple. Well, excuse you, Miss Josie and the
Pussycats not knowing Captain and Tanil. There's an extended joke
about Captain and Tanil in that movie when Rosario Dawson

(01:12:47):
is watching behind the Music and she is watching that,
it's like, we used to be Captain and Tanil and
the Chief, and then the Captain in Tanil started doing
all the interviews and they cut me out. It's it's
made up like there was never a third member of
the band. That's the joke. But like that bit and
Joe's and the Pussycats is pretending that the Captain t'aneil

(01:13:10):
used to have a third member that they then kicked
out of the group. So therefore Rosario Dawson is afraid
that that's going to happen to her.

Speaker 2 (01:13:18):
WHOA see, I just thought that was just a part
of the movie. I didn't know that it was a
real thing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:23):
Hell yeah, who every school brother girl singing a song.

Speaker 2 (01:13:34):
Like you're living under a culture rock like that's me.

Speaker 1 (01:13:38):
Yeah, that's why you're Buffy Summers. It is because you
don't know who the guys and l are.

Speaker 2 (01:13:45):
Famously know no music, that's true.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
That's one thing I know about you is you're not
very musically literate. You don't know a million bands.

Speaker 2 (01:13:53):
I know this is and that's why that's why moments
like this are so embarrassing. I feel like this is
a lot of band.

Speaker 1 (01:14:01):
This moment where I have heard of a band that
you haven't heard of, because that never happens.

Speaker 2 (01:14:07):
Honestly, No, I do think it's happened a little bit recently.
I feel like, just like you have, I think that
you're at least and correct me if I'm wrong. Your
music taste. I think you, at least in my mind,
you know, like a few seventies you know, like seventies
folk stuff and sixties stuff and fifties stuff, and that's

(01:14:29):
kind of your bag. I like big band forties stuff,
and then seventies hard rock and eighties rock and then
beyond that. But there is that like dead spot that
I have that I think that's where you.

Speaker 1 (01:14:41):
Shine because I grew up on like easy listening seventies.
Because I think you grew up on like seventies.

Speaker 2 (01:14:49):
I grew up with led Zeppelin exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:14:51):
Yes, I absolutely did not grew up with led Zeppelin. Yeah,
I grew up with Captain and Tanil. Do you have
other thoughts about this episode.

Speaker 2 (01:15:06):
I don't think so. I think Fuck the patriarchy. I
hate that it enables men to treat their partners and
children like this. Fuck that. I hate that the patriarchy
enables men in power to abuse children and people who
are disadvantaged. Fuck them.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Oh yeah, yeah, that's my thoughts. My final thoughts are
Mormon joke about polygamy.

Speaker 2 (01:15:35):
Hey, oh yeah, Mormon mentioned, Mormon mentioned, Mormon mentioned.

Speaker 1 (01:15:38):
I was thrilled, which I was wondering. I've noticed that,
like in the media that I see that has polygamy
jokes where they're like, yeah, something about Mormonisms and having
multiple wives. I feel like a lot of it is
nineties onward. Is this because of the rise of the
Fundamentalist Church of flatterday Saints the FLDS Church. Oh good,
because that kind start inties.

Speaker 2 (01:16:01):
It was like in the nineties.

Speaker 1 (01:16:02):
Yeah, it was in the nineties. Yeah, because I've noticed,
and you know, I don't like, I haven't seen everything ever,
but I have not seen like Mormon polygamy jokes in
anything that was released before the nineties. And yet I
feel like in the nineties is pretty prevalent. And then like,
I don't know your experience growing up, but me growing
up in Arizona, where I was one of the few
Mormon people that people knew. In my elementary school, I

(01:16:24):
got asked if I had multiple moms a lot, because
I did not have that at all, oh all the time,
because of FLDS stuff. My final thought is, there's a
very nice Angel scene in this episode. I was like, Oh,
my gosh, look at you being a normal couple for
once in your lives. Did you not like the Angel scene?

(01:16:46):
Oh tell me why you didn't like it?

Speaker 2 (01:16:48):
Okay, well, I obviously I think it's gorgeous, like him
like her, you know, tending to his wounds, but she
is like opening up to him about the sky. And
of course this is pre him threatening to stub her toe,
so to speak, but like, uh, this so this it's

(01:17:08):
pre all of the violence, but it's still he's like
majorly overstepping and being very weird. And this is also
a huge and hear me out and maybe this is
I'm projecting my own experience. It is very difficult to
watch your mother date. It's very difficult to watch your
single mother day. It's awful, at least from my experience,

(01:17:31):
and the way Buffy is going on and on and
then Angel goes and I know that. She says like,
and I know I should talk about something else, and
he's like, well, can we talk about something else? No,
that made me sick because as her partner, especially you,
you freako, let her talk shit out. It just made

(01:17:57):
me mad. It just made me mad. But it was gorge.

Speaker 1 (01:18:00):
No, I actually retract.

Speaker 2 (01:18:02):
I like to see them like domestic style. But yeah, yeah, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:18:06):
Nice that she's like bandaging his hand. But no, actually
you're correct.

Speaker 2 (01:18:11):
Yeah, every word he says makes me sick to my stomach.
I hate you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:14):
Yeah, he doesn't have any interest in her, what she's
going through, in her issues, and he wants to.

Speaker 2 (01:18:20):
And she even says like, sorry, I've got a lot
going on, and he just doesn't care. He, like time
and time again, just doesn't care what she has going on.

Speaker 1 (01:18:29):
Angel, you suck.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Yeah, I'm sorry to ruin your Bangel Mama.

Speaker 1 (01:18:36):
No, I'm glad you said it. I'm glad you said it. Okay,
all right?

Speaker 3 (01:18:42):
Right?

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Is that a season wrap on TET?

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
I think that is by ted.

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
Worst part time?

Speaker 1 (01:18:52):
What was your worst part of this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:18:54):
There's so many good worst parts to choose. Obviously, I
enjoyed this episode as like a piece of fiction. But
I think my worst part is probably and I don't
think this is bad from a narrative perspective, but it did.
It was frustrating to watch, so it was bad in
the way it made me feel my bod. Like watching

(01:19:18):
Buffy be threatened and then how no one believe her
was like so devastating to watch and just like, no
matter how many times I watch it, I'm like so
aghast that Joyce wouldn't believe her, and obviously, like there's

(01:19:38):
just extending circumstances and God knows, like people in a
piece of situations they are you know, it's tough. But oh,
it really does this job. I hated that part so much.
That's your worst part.

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
I don't love ted the Ted dying, not like the
second time when she's in with the frying pan. Love that,
but I just feel like, yeah, the fake out of
like Buffy killed man is confusing. I think it is
a larger storyline than what should be in like eight

(01:20:13):
minutes of an episode. The way Joyce reacts to it
is whack as hell. Wa Just like, yeah, I think
it's raising interesting questions, but I think it is a
little too much in this episode. I think it ends up,
as I said, muddying the waters. They tried to do
too much with too little time.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
I hear you, Yeah, I totally do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:37):
What's your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:20:40):
My best part is probably the you know Joyce not Joyce,
Jenny and Giles coming back together in the end in
slaying a vampire together and then Jenny shooting Giles in
the back with a crossbow. I loved that part so much.
It's just so funny and like I said, it's just
a it's a lovely moment in like a really dark episode,

(01:21:03):
and I'm glad that my faves, my OTP is back together.
Finally my house is safe. I wasn't. I did not
feel good having them apart. What's your best part?

Speaker 1 (01:21:16):
I think my best part is probably the scene with
the Scooby's investigating Ted, where yea, that's the second one
where Cordelia is like, oh, yeah, you should know because
you raised that demon like like guy that one time.
I just feel like, a everyone is kind of at
their best characterized in that episode. They're all very funny.
But then b in an episode where everyone has been

(01:21:36):
so unsupportive of Buffy, and yes, it's largely because they
were drugged. But it's nice to see them all band
together while she is in distress and be like, Okay,
we are going to figure this out and help our girl.

Speaker 2 (01:21:48):
I like that exactly. I so agree. It's so nice
to like see them be so supportive of her when
she's not there. I think, like, you know, it's a
it's a fear of mind that when I leave the
room that everyone is praying for my downfall. And so
it's lovely to see, you know, after something so horrible

(01:22:09):
has happened, that they a believe her and b are
doing everything they can to help her, and also like
aren't talking shit. Like, it's so nice to see the
scoobies really band together to help each other. It's really lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:22:21):
I agree, all right. Cordelia is very invested and she's
the one who ends up finding the piece of evidence. Yeah,
shout out girl.

Speaker 2 (01:22:31):
And she like wants to get her a license to kill.
I love you Court.

Speaker 1 (01:22:35):
She wants her to be a double O.

Speaker 2 (01:22:38):
Seriously. Okay, well you know what time it is. It's
time for the GameSpot of the episode? Oh Ian, what
is your gayest part of the episode? Ted? Season two,
Episode eleven, Ted.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
I Forgot to think of one. And this is a
pretty straight episode because Ted is like the most toxic
heterosexual man on the planet. Yeah. I do think Joyce
and Buffy is saying that.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
The sing gay is a choice too.

Speaker 1 (01:23:11):
It's really absolutely he does, and.

Speaker 2 (01:23:14):
Would like send his kid to conversion therapy in So Fast,
So Fast.

Speaker 1 (01:23:22):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I do think that Buffy
and Joyce at the end being like, let's watch Thelma
and Louise. Yeah, I think that's a pretty gay movie
for them to be watching. And I think, like, oh
my gosh, Palate cleanser, like this awful straight man just
ruined our lives. Let's watch a movie about two women

(01:23:44):
who murder an awful straight man and going around together. Yeah, okay,
so maybe, And also like Thema Louise, we're into each other, right,
I think. So I've never seen it.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
I saw it like once, like probably years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
I feel like there's definitely at least a subtext there.
So I'm saying filmed in Utah. Don't know, I didn't, Hey,
So that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
What my guess part is Buffy killing a man with
a cast iron. I think everyone I know who has
a cast iron is a lesbian and I think using
that as a weapon is very lesbian move of them,
and I love it. Hell yeah, it's just overalls. I

(01:24:41):
love it.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
The os were awesome. I really liked the.

Speaker 2 (01:24:43):
Overalls, the overall plus cast iron moment. That's that's and
I love that shout out to lesbians.

Speaker 1 (01:24:55):
All right, Well, see here next week when we talk
about bad eggs. Can you believe? But first wee do
a kill count. I did remember here it is Here's
who died this episode, the vamp in the park at
the beginning that Buffy was usually as a punching bag
to work on her feelings. The vampire the Gile steaks
with the arrow that Jenny shot into your back and

(01:25:20):
roboted goodbye to you three except for Ted. I spit
on your grave. Oh seriously bad, no, bad bye to Ted.
If you have thoughts about Ted, would you believe you
can send him to us. We got an email and
it's recovering Gleek. Well that was hard for me to say.

(01:25:42):
Take two. It was. It's recovering Gleek at gmail dot com.

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Thank you to you all for listening to and supporting
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you next week and keep slaying. And if your child

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doesn't like the person that you're dating to the degree
that they're like, hey, I actually think they're dangerous and
they threaten me, I behoove you to listen to your child.

Speaker 2 (01:28:24):
Yep. Love you guys, have a great rest of your week.
Here is a kiss on your forehead, but only if
you accept it. By bye.

Speaker 1 (01:28:36):
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there was a moment in that show where you know,
Riff and Magenta at the end of the four show
that come in and they.

Speaker 2 (01:28:56):
Do that frankin fat it's all over.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
And they they tell Frank get their stage in a
coup and he's out and therein and then Frank goes, wait,
I can explain, and then he sings this big, long
ballad called I'm Going Home. So at our production, during
that point, Riff and Magenta go into the audience and
just like sit in an empty seat and just like
angrily watch the song and then we go back on
stage when it's over. And one night the lady I

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said next to was so google crazy drunk, and she,
once again a little too drunk, feeling a little too sexy,
started like petting my wig, which is fine, I don't
really care, but then she like actively was trying to
sit on my lap and kiss me on the cheek,
and I had to like lean away and turn away

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and kind of like put my little raygun in between
us to be like, please stop. Once she clocked that
I like was not comfortable with that, to her credit,
she did stop. But then she goes fully like the
show's going on, like Frank is singing a ballad and
insta me and goes, so, did you like go to
a theater school or something.

Speaker 2 (01:30:05):
I'm an alien.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
No, I turned around, I went, no, I came on
a spaceship from another planet, and then just turned back
to the stage. It's like we're not having this conversation.
I'm not going to like read you my resume.

Speaker 2 (01:30:17):
We're in the middle of Oh. It's like, that's why
you've got ianilread dot com for you to read.

Speaker 1 (01:30:23):
It's in my bio. You could go check it out, Okay,