BTVS S2E18 Killed by Death

There are some harsh realities in life that you can't change, you just have to accept. Or maybe you can just manifest them in demon form and take out your frustration on them so you never have to come to terms with how powerless you are against the universe.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Oh budding case, I stand one little chance. Here comes
the jack Pod question in advances, what are you doing?
New Years? Newzy? Talking about killed by Death from Bubby

(00:21):
the Vampire's Layer.

Speaker 2 (00:23):
We recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 3 (00:36):
A Queer Buffy podcast. Hello everyone, my name is Lena
and my name Mission and welcome to so Sly a
Queer Buffy.

Speaker 1 (00:52):
Last episode of twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (00:54):
I know, wow, twenty twenty five minutes long and also
like three million years long. So crazy. There were parts
of it that like could not go by fast enough
and other parts that I was like, WHOA, what happened?

Speaker 1 (01:11):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Did you have a nice year?

Speaker 1 (01:13):
There were nice parts? Yeah, I think over all I
did have a nice year. I'm just in a really
bad mood this week.

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I hear you. I totally hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:23):
I am very I'm very much ending the year the
way began it in a bad way. So that's frustrating,
down to down to sending that exact same message to
the exact same guy and getting the exact same response.

(01:45):
Very much. I'm like it was this whole year a
hamster wheel. Has anything changed for me? But if you
had talked to me when I was in a better mood,
you know, like a week ago, I think I would
have been like great, Iything's fine, and you know, I
had some great time this year. I met some wonderful
new people, which this is all true. I've met some

(02:05):
wonderful new people. I had some great experiences. We rebranded
the podcast, we've been talking about Buffy and that's been fabulous,
and so I think overall it was good. It's just
winter kicks my ass every year.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Don't I know it? What is with that? I've also
seen the weather where you are, and I mean not
to talk about the weather, but Arizona, that's tough for you.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Yeah, it's tough for me. Thank you for acknowledging that.
It's really hard.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
It is, but you know it's very hard for me.
Not snowing in Utah very hard. What the hell?

Speaker 1 (02:42):
Hey, you can have some of ours.

Speaker 3 (02:45):
Well, love some I am This year. For me, this
year was crazy because I had such work drama this
year that really like I felt like my life kept
like stopping and starting and stopping. I do feel like
though I did have I think I had a nice year.
I think last year was just so crazy that I

(03:07):
think the universe really, I mean, other stuff is like
the stuff has happened, but I feel like in general,
like the universe has been like, hey girl, let's chill.
Let's chill for a second. So it's been a nice
year I've loved to do talking about Buffy. I feel
like this has like been so wonderful. I feel like

(03:29):
I have and partying so much, which I love, hell
Elvis to say. I feel like there was a lot
of joy in my year and a lot of fun
amidst so much bullshit and amidst so much crisis in
like the world. Like I feel like I found a
balance in you know, so many things, and also partied

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really hard, which I love to do, and honestly, I
hope that I hope this next year partying. I love
to dance. I don't care. Heck anyway, let's killed by death?
Shall we Let's kill some death. I love to kill
some death. Do you want to hear some fun facts
about this episode?

Speaker 1 (04:10):
I was born to hear fun facts about this episode.
Killed by Death.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
I know you were, I know you were.

Speaker 1 (04:14):
Oh yeah, it's time.

Speaker 3 (04:18):
Killed by Death is the eighteenth episode of season two.
Abovey the Vampire Slayer and the thirtieth episode Overall Who
was written by Rob DOA's Hotel with Dean Batali Our Faves.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
They wrote that video game Never Forget.

Speaker 3 (04:32):
Never Forget the Bubba video game and it was directed
by Darren Saraphian. It originally broadcast March third, nineteen ninety eight. Okay,
so it was around the time this episode came out
there was a lot it was conjectured that dear Kin
Destad was inspired by Freddy Kruger. Joss Whedon came out

(04:55):
and he was like, actually, that's not true. It's based
on just this concept that really freaked me out as
a kid, just like the Boogeyman and stuff. So Joss
Whedon was like, no, I did not steal Freddy Krueger. Ip.
This is just generally creepy.

Speaker 1 (05:11):
Well that's also crazy because the season one episode Nightmares
just is Freddy Krueger. Yeah, when it's like, oh you're
I mean, I guess, not like totally, but the things
in your nightmares come to life and then like they
try and kill you. That's very similar to like Freddy
Krueger comes into your dreams and then he kills you.

(05:32):
So like sure, this guy's got like.

Speaker 3 (05:34):
A face gives Freddy Krueger vibes. Yeah, I think that's
probably what people are. I mean they people were talking
about it enough for Joss Whedon to be like, no,
that's not the case. I don't know, but yeah, especially
with that season one episode. I yeah, I don't know.

(05:57):
So actually, now that you bring that up, this script
was originally planned for season one, and it was like
a scrapped script that they never used that they just
like kind of picked up again and put it in
this season. So I think that like kind of explains
a lot of the vibe of this episode. But yeah,

(06:19):
it was originally supposed to be in season one. It's
not so funny.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
That is illuminating, is what that is.

Speaker 3 (06:28):
Yeah, absolutely, obviously maybe not obviously. Killed by Death is
a reference to the Motorhead song of the same name.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Hell yeah, you know that song No.

Speaker 3 (06:47):
Big motor Hat had I didn't know. This is not
obvious to me. I've heard this song before, but I
could not have told you anything about this song or
that this episode was based was like named after this
song at all. But yeah, that's what it's named after.
And I just thought this was fun. At the beginning,
the doctor says, give her a CBC Chem seven type

(07:08):
and screen, and this means a complete blood count, so
that's the CBC blood test. And then a Chem seven
blood panel is a blood chemistry test that looks at
seven different substances in the blood. The type and screen
are a preliminary pre transfusion tests. It's the first step

(07:28):
in determining donor slash recipient compatibility. So all of those
words they mean something. I really it's so funny too.
I'm glad when they said that in the episode. I
was like, they're just saying bullshit. They're saying bullshit like that.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Is not anything.

Speaker 3 (07:43):
But I guess it's real. I guess that's real, all right.
And then here's some of our international titles. Most of
them are some sort of killed by death. The check
is how to Kill Death. Finish is death on a Round,
which I I don't know exactly what that is supposed

(08:05):
to mean, but death on a Round Invisible Death. That's
the German title, killed by Death, Killed by Death, the
killer Death in Spanish. And then these are like the
most different. The Italian is the Monster, Japanese the Grim Reaper,
Polish Touch of Death. I shouldn't have put that in there.

(08:29):
But sorry, but the eggs. No, no, but the eggs.
And then uh, the French is recollection, which I thought
was very fun because maybe has that big moment of recollecting.
We get a lot of this episode, or Celia, Yeah,
lots of flashbacks, so yeah, recollecting and those are your selects.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, well yeah you recap, so ready here we go.
I whipped up something up to the Vampire Slayer. Buffy
is so sick, she's in the hospital, damn. And you
know who else? Is there? A demon that eats sick

(09:13):
kids and has a representation of Buffy's fear of death
after losing Jenny, and a before never mentioned cousin who
when she was eight. Also, he's invisible unless you have
a fever. So Buffy doses herself on a virus and
then beats his ass and makes some sort of peace
with the losses in her life, I think. And that's
what you missed up up to the Empire Slayer. What

(09:37):
did you think of this episode?

Speaker 3 (09:40):
It's so funn you asked me first. I gotta tell you,
not my favorite episode I've ever seen. I think I
appreciated it more on second watch. But I think the
tone to me is wild, Like it is so like
Grey's Anatomy with no yearning, no sexual tension. It's just

(10:00):
like straight up hospital drama. And like even like there's
this moment it's like giving hospital drama, Like there's this
moment where they're talking about the doctor and then Buffy goes, nah,
he's clean, and I'm like, oh my god, why are
we why is why are you doctor?

Speaker 1 (10:18):
House?

Speaker 3 (10:18):
Like shut up. So this is not my favorite episode.
I definitely, like I said, I appreciated it more on
second watch, but tonally, this is not a Buffy episode
I would ever reach for. I do think that Derk
Kindestad is fun, not fun, but fun. Looky, I love
his eyes, his awesome spooky, and I think that there

(10:43):
are some really effective moments in this, like the flashback
with Celia with Buffy's cousin is like downright terrifying, like
actually hurt my stomach, and like even like the little
boy and poor Tina, Like I think child death in
general is just very difficult to watch, and it is

(11:11):
like the kids are doing a very good job, like
good job to them, But yeah, it's not This is
not a Buffy episode that I would ever reach for.
Did you love it.

Speaker 1 (11:20):
I thought this was probably the worst episode we watched.
It was a huge flop. I hated it. Yeah yay,
I really sincerely do not like this episode for many reasons.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
This is also Dean Batali and Robbed his Hotel's last
episode on the whole show really going out on a
whimper Lord. I mean, I've never thought they were like
the best writers, but they got like they wrote. I
like phases, you know. I think puppet shows like fun,
which this episode is giving puppet show in a way,
and that it's like murder mystery, you know, and the

(12:03):
way that puppet show is like who's possessed? Is it
the puppet? Is it this person? Is it Snyder? Is it?
This episode is like who's killing the kids? Is it
the doctor? Is it the security guard? Or is it
an actual manifestation of death? So I could see I
could smell the puppet show on its breath. I think

(12:24):
this episode is ass I love the design of your
kinderstad It is the one solitary thing I remember from
this episode from watching it as a teenager was his design,
because it is so affecting. It's very creepy. Him like
wearing white contacts, so his eyes are just whites.

Speaker 3 (12:41):
Like, girl, that's sickening.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
They really were onto something there. It being the follow
up to Passion is really underwhelming. It has a tone
to it that, to me, is very fan fiction in
a bad way. It feels like it feels like a
lot of the characters are acting as their most surface

(13:05):
level traits, Like specifically Cordelia and Angel in this episode,
I feel like are written so whack and crazy. Yeah,
And my biggest issue with this episode is it makes
more sense knowing this was an unused script from season
one that they just try to shoe a horn into
season two because to come off of the episode where

(13:25):
Jenny dies, where we as the viewers are having to
really grapple with the first real character death in the show,
and Buffy is grappling with like, sometimes you lose. Sometimes
people die and there's nothing you can do about it
and they're not going to come back.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Sometimes people leave you halfway through.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
The woods exactly in the episode, posits like maybe these
kids are dying of natural causes, and Buffy has such
a hard time grappling with the fact that she doesn't
have power over death that she is inventing in her
mind a demon that you could fight to save them,
and then the episode is like, no, actually the demon

(14:04):
Israel and she can be your death. She was right, Like,
it's so fucking stupid and antithetical to what they should
be doing. A much more compelling arc would be this
episode being Buffy making peace with death and accepting that
she does not have power over death and yes, like
she can protect people and that is awesome, but ultimately
death is all powerful and it comes for us all.

(14:24):
But instead the episode ends with like, no, Buffy learns
that death has a tangible form and she can kick
its ass, and she gets I think that's dumb ass shit.
It like actively pissed me off so much.

Speaker 3 (14:39):
Yeah, I hear you. I totally do. Yeah, that is
such a good idea too, like for her to if
they really want to do something like this, like that
in a fever haze, she invented this thing. And then
like even Cordelia calls it out. She's like, are you
just trying to like grapple with the fact that you

(15:03):
lost people counted exactly like and they're like no, and
then it's straight up no. Like if they were to
do a story where she was convinced that something was
happening and then actually, like sometimes people believe you have
way of the woods and she just had to come.
I think that's wonderful. I think that would be gorgeous.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
I agree.

Speaker 3 (15:23):
Yeah, like it's a it's a huge miss for me.
And even like when I was watching it, so we
were supposed to record, when was this Monday?

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Yeah, I think so.

Speaker 3 (15:32):
Yeah, So I watched it Monday, and girl, I was
like like falling asleep, but I assar it. I was like,
oh my god, I don't know if I have anything
to say about what I just watched, which is insane
and just not like unexperience I've ever had with an episode.
And luckily, like I said, I I mean, I've found

(15:54):
more to talk about it today. But I seriously was
like Jesus Christ. So thank god we had some days
to think to sit on it. Can you believe this episode?
It's just it's a cop show, yeah, in a way
that is so desperately unfun. Yeah, you know what I
do love. I think I've got two really good ones
that I like. And hear me out, I know you

(16:16):
don't like an angel like being thrown into this too.
Like the more I think about this, the more I'm like,
oh my god, Like the two scenes with Angel are so.

Speaker 1 (16:25):
They're terrible, so service level and weird anything. They make
him seem less threatening, less frightening, and the fact that
like Xander effectively stands up to him like.

Speaker 3 (16:37):
He's like, I would love to see if I can
feature It's like Xandery, no, he can. He can kill
everyone here in a second, like you know that.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
And also like he's crafty, like if he can't take
on all the orderlies and security in Xander, Angel will
find a way to sneak into the building. Like it
actively lowers his threat level to have him be like,
oh damn, Xander, you really got my.

Speaker 3 (17:01):
Wiping swiper? No swipe ban second wife in a row.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
I hate this episode. Continue your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (17:06):
I also okay, well, and I kind of like Xander
being sentinel, but I like it for Xander's character. I
do not like it for Angel. I like Xander being like, yeah,
you are very powerful, but I am steadfast and fuck you.
I think I like that for Xander Angel It's crazy.

(17:27):
I also feel like they made such a huge stink
in the recap of this episode that Buffy is finally
ready to kill Angel, and maybe that's just my qualm
with the recap. God knows, I don't know who is
who is like crafting these recaps and even still like it.

(17:47):
The beginning scene of this episode is Buffy sick as
a dog, plus our three scoobies and Angel getting away,
and like Zan, like Xander and Cordelia and Willow have
angels back, get this, I'd steak his ass. I don't care,

(18:10):
Like he was busy beating up this woman who is
who has a flu, like they couldn't get him. They
made such a stink at the beginning listen, God knows.
I just feel like it started the episode off on
such a weird tone to me. And of course it
would be so anticlimactic from a narrative perspective to have

(18:31):
like Willow steak the biggest bad we've ever had, but
like put his back to a corner for fuck's sake,
Like I don't want to see his I don't want
to see him with his guard down like that and
not be staked because two seconds ago you just told
me we are ready to kill him and we didn't.

(18:54):
He was open.

Speaker 1 (18:57):
I thought. The opening scene of this episode is tonally
so fucked that I sincerely thought it was a dream sequence.
Oh yeah, I have, like I it. Oh my gosh.
First of all, Buffy the way that like Jenny just died,

(19:17):
and everyone's just kind of like rolling with it. Everyone's like, anyway,
it's business as usual, and like obviously you know they
mention her, but no one is emotionally rocked by this.
They're just like anyways, whatever. And then the scoobies making
like quick work of Angel. It was like, isn't he
supposed to be like the biggest bat we've ever had?

(19:39):
And Buffy's down, and yet the three of you.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Like, he just killed one of your teammates.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
Yes, And now the three of you are like, look, damn,
Jenny really should have had a crucifix on her. She
could have made quick wigger him. Because that's my other
problem is we have seen that Angel with his soul
willingly kissed Buffy while she had a crucifix on He
was okay getting burned by it, then he could kiss her.
So you're telling me that his evil ass is not

(20:06):
willing to get burned by a crucial things for a
few seconds. Serious, Like, I just don't buy it. No,
that they and he's like you got me.

Speaker 3 (20:18):
All sip swiping bullshits so stupid. Every single time he
comes onto the screen, it's like, you can't get us,
you can't get us. And it's like I know that
they're they're just adding him in to pay David contract,
but it's like, and he's not supposed to be in

(20:40):
this episode literally at all. It's it's it's cuckoo bananas.

Speaker 1 (20:46):
Like, oh my god, the angel stuff in this episode
is really bad.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, and he is he is maybe it's made leaned.
He is, his face, his be to the gods. I
his contour is is sharp?

Speaker 1 (21:03):
Is sharp? Hell? Yeah? Hell?

Speaker 3 (21:06):
I think he's handsome, And I think he's handsome. Why
don't Why don't more more people with masking features where
contory he looks good?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
I don't know, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
I don't know anyway, can you believe? And even like
I said tonally, this episode is wild and so much
of it too, is like Buffy like scared walking down
the hallway the halls of a hospital and it's like
relying on you having your own hospital trauma and it's like, actually,

(21:40):
fuck you, I don't want this and I don't know
are the moments of this episode that you enjoyed.

Speaker 1 (21:48):
There's like a few jokes. I think we're funny. One
of my favorite Cordelia lines ever in this episode is
in this episode, which is when she says the whole like,
are you sure you're not just making this up because
because of your cousin that died and because miss Calendar
died last week? And then Giles says, Cordelia, have you
actually ever heard of tact and she goes, tactics just
not saying true stuff. I'll pass. I love that line,

(22:11):
love love. I think that's great. I think Dirk Kinderstad
is so scary. Also, maybe my favorite joke of the
episode is when Cordelia and Giles are researching and then
she finds the Dirk Hinderstad book and they've like and
it's a hard cut to her on the phone and
she goes, it's called Dirk Kinderstad and then it cuts

(22:32):
to Buffy on the phone and she goes, who is
this and that like revelation that we did not pick
up mid conversation but that literally dialed and then what
it's called Dr Kinderstad, Like that is so funny to.

Speaker 3 (22:47):
Me, Oh my god, And this is pre this is.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Pre coler I d no, exactly, Like she just styled
and was like, I gotta get this out. I think
those are very funny jokes. Yeah, I'm looking through my notes.
That's those are the only positive things I read about
this episode.

Speaker 3 (23:08):
Okay, period, that's okay, that's okay. I really like the
scene where or I don't know that's a scene, but
the moment where Xander brings her balloons, Giles brings her grapes.
Cordelia is like, I didn't fucking bring anything, like I
didn't know, and Willow says like I brought you your homework,

(23:32):
and will and Buffy says like, oh my god, like
I would rather have chocolate, and she's like, no, girl,
I did your homework for you. And she's like, fuck chocolate.
That's the best gift anyone's ever gone. The way I
went on that journey with her, I was like, oh
my god, that's awful, Willow. And then I'm like, oh
my god, if a friend of mine did all my homework,
oh my god, anything for her, the world my god. Okay,

(24:01):
take me down the line, take me down your notes of.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
My big issue with this episode.

Speaker 3 (24:13):
Yes, there's this huge there's this moment where I'm so
sorry to interrupt you. There's this moment where Cordelia slams
a bag of Krispy Kreme onto a table between her
and Xander to like show that they are back on
speaking terms. Do you think Christy Kream no paid for that?

Speaker 1 (24:35):
That was not.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Because it made me want to Krispy Kreme so bad?

Speaker 1 (24:39):
And was it Crispy They was that? But was that
scene was not there to show that they were back
on speaking terms, that seem was in there to clear
their check from Krispy Kreme. The entire shot hire shot
is a literal fucking close up close up of Cordelia

(25:04):
setting down a bag of Krispy Kreme, Xander looking picking
the bag of Krispy Kreme up, and then we changed
the scene. That was the no show me the door.
Like that was the most egregious, insane product placement I
have ever seen in my life. Yeah, I guess you

(25:25):
are correct that it also shows that like they are
making up after their fight. Sure, but that didn't even
cross my mind when I watched it. I was like,
they are just trying to cash this check from Big
literally cackled. It was in the insane and I feel
like the camera keeps zooming in more and more on
the bag until you like can't see either of the
actors faces anymore, and it's just back.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
It's so stupid. I was it was so crazy too,
because I mean, I don't think I have ever in
this show to this point, seen literally any product ever,
let alone fucking like crispy ass cream. But was it
crispy Like I I cackled. I seriously was like, oh

(26:09):
my god, what world am I in?

Speaker 4 (26:12):
It was garageous, it was egregious. God, this episode sucks.
The whole thing really feels like fan fiction to me. Like,
first of all, I just and this is you know,
there's really great fan fiction out there, there's fanfiction that
has been fully published as books, but there's also a

(26:35):
lot of really bad fan fiction out there. And the
issue with bad fan fiction is it is someone who
thinks they understand the characters in the world of a show,
but actually they only understand the most basic surface level.
They understand like Cordelia is mean, but they don't really
get like why Cordelia is mean, And they understand like
Buffy kicks ass, but they don't understand the like deeper

(26:58):
conflict she has with like her response alities in that,
like they just understand the most basic stuff, and.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
The pitch of this episode of Buffy goes to a
hospital and is stocked by a demon feels very just
like random person on the internet came up with it,
and the the finalization, the resolution being it is a
real demon and she actually kicks Death's ass and is
able to like make peace with this calendar's death because

(27:25):
she got to kick Death's ass is like that's something
that That's like a little kid at dinner being like
I want chocolate cake and your mom's like, no, you
need vegetables, and the kids like, I want chocolate cake.
That's gonna make me happy, and it's like, sure, that'll
make you happy in the moment, but overall, vegetables are
better for you, and sure, like we as viewers are
all hurting, and like seeing Buffy kick Death's ass feels

(27:49):
better in the moment, but in the long run, the
better solution for the show that will build a stronger
message for all of us in our real lives is
for Buffy to learn that she can't control that, that
she has no power over it, and that just it
feels like that was written by some random teenager on
their home computer because they were mad that Miss Calendar
died and not by like the fucking writers of this
television show. Yeah and yeah, just like as I mentioned,

(28:16):
I feel like every character is being There are some
Cordelia jokes in this episode that I do that I
did laugh at and I thought were funny and I
already mentioned them. But like Cordelia is being like her
most vapid, one dimensional self. The whole like Celia backstory

(28:38):
is very weird to me, kind of like Jenny died
last week. We don't need another reason for Buffy to
have issues with mortality right now. It's a hat on
a hat. Why are we bringing up this cousin that
has never been mentioned before and will never be mentioned again.
And also you're telling me that this same fucking demon
killed her cousin ten years ago. Like, I'm sorry, that's

(29:00):
Corney this exact. It would be one thing if like
her cousin died as a kid and that really had
an effect on her, but like this exact demon, Yeah,
in Sunnydale, California killed her cousin and wherever bumfuck her
cousin was living at the time, Like, what are you
talking about? I think it is so corny. It's really bad.

(29:24):
And once again that's something a thirteen year old would
write on their family's desktop computer. God, I just I
think it is really bad.

Speaker 3 (29:37):
Yeah, and the thing is too like I was watching
this like I was like trying to like assign meaning
that's not there too. What's going on? I don't know.
And also, like, like you said, it would be far
more helpful to me as a viewer to have Buffy

(29:58):
come to terms that she can't defect like this.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
Like to realize sometimes you win the war, but there
are casualties and that's a part of like any fight.

Speaker 3 (30:13):
And also like to live is for it to end,
like and Buffy has so much death all around her.
I don't know. I feel like it just would have
been much more. I also just feel like I'm kind
of over the creepy little boy trope in this TV

(30:35):
show so far, Love Little Boy Mother, I'm tired and
why and why.

Speaker 1 (30:46):
Of the little boy from Nightmares, the Anointed One, and
this little boy from so they are.

Speaker 3 (30:51):
All indistinguishable to me. They are all J T T.
They are all like so I cannot I mean, you
could asked me to pick the difference between these two photos.
I who, that's the same photo. That's the same that's
the same creepy little bit.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
The same boy.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Yeah, no, I'm and for this is the thirtieth episode
for us to have had three of I mean, these
boys are all the same age, they're the ten.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Percent of these episodes creepy as That's also not true
because the Anointed one was a multi episode arc.

Speaker 3 (31:29):
Oh seriously, we know how we loved the Anointed one.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That's the things I wish you'd come back.

Speaker 3 (31:34):
My god, I am I'm.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
Sick of it.

Speaker 3 (31:37):
I'm sick of it. And No hated this little boy.
His drawing was cute. I'm just over it. I don't know.
There was that moment too where Buffy is like talking
to him, and I didn't hate this, especially from Buff,
like from like watching it, like to watch Buffy. And

(31:58):
she says like, because like bad eyes are real, that
means that good guys are real too, which I thought
was I thought was nice. I liked that and I
liked that idea. I was that really was a thinker
for me. I was like, oh my gosh, like, with
the existence of evil has to come the other side
of it. And I really was that that made me think.
I was like, Okay, I love that Buffy, thanks for that.

(32:20):
But other than that, like I don't know, and like
Poortina like to watch Oh my God, like it was
just so god awful to watch to watch people roll
out this child's body and be like, ugh, I hate
when the young ones die, and like to watch these
little kids watch their friend be carted away. I was

(32:41):
actually sick. I was sick to my stomach. I don't
want to watch that. Also, all the little kids, where
are their parents?

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Their kinderstad right, because all the little kids do like
a great escape and they all like run away together
to the sea.

Speaker 3 (33:00):
They're running away. Yeah, they're all like all seeing in
the same room as well.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
I feel like if I was a nurse at a
hospital and a little kid was like I saw this
scary demon man and he killed Tina, I'd be like,
you have a fever. If fifteen little kids said I
saw a scary demon man and he killed Tina, I
wouldn't be like a demon came in, but I would
be like a human man came in, and they're like

(33:25):
fever and brains are like processing it weird, Like I
would look into it. If all of them were being like,
wait a second, a demon came in and he killed her.

Speaker 3 (33:35):
Yeah. Right.

Speaker 1 (33:38):
It's just weird that the kids are They're all cognizant
enough of it that they all like planned an escape together,
and yet no adult is like alarmed at this that
all these kids are having the same experience.

Speaker 3 (33:55):
And I mean this doctor, she is up to her
eyes in bullshit, like her her like co doctor just died.
She is like wrangling kids and teens left and right.
I think she has got a lot on her plate
and she deserves some grace, but seriously, not one adult. Also,
can we talk about what's his name?

Speaker 1 (34:18):
Stanford Blanche in Freaky Friday?

Speaker 3 (34:20):
What is his name?

Speaker 1 (34:21):
I don't remember. I think it's Friday.

Speaker 3 (34:24):
Evan, Yes, Evan. Every time I think about Evan, I go,
you go Evan. You know Boris so I can never
remember Evan. Evan, You're a fucking freak. Evan, You're a
fucking freak. What on fucking earth to watch Cordelia flirt
with this freaky ass freaky man and to have him

(34:48):
say like the sickest, nastiest bullshit and then also to
be like sometimes people die. I'm like, Okay, what is
this good for other than to make me feel gross
and bad and awful and get my Cordy away from
this freak.

Speaker 1 (35:01):
Also, once again, I keep coming back to this, but
the line he knew the truth about kids? What's that
sometimes they die? That's some bullshit that a thirteen Oh
that's profound.

Speaker 3 (35:15):
Honestly, that's that's hurtful to thirteen year olds. I think
they've done better.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
It was like it was the corniest like edge lord
line I have ever fucking heard in my life.

Speaker 3 (35:25):
Is so stupid, which I mean, I guess this guy
is pretty edge lordy, but I hated to hear it.
And I just feel like this whole episode has like
kind of zingers like that that I'm like.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
Oh my god, shit the fuck up. When Buffy is
admitted into the hospital and she's like, no, I have
to fight the vampires. Giles tell them about the vampires,
and Jo's like, uh oh, she has a fever. Once again,
that's a fan fiction, ask joke, fan fiction, ask joke,
goll It's all over this episode.

Speaker 3 (35:59):
I also, like, I mean, I the first time I
watched this episode as well, like I've had really bad
flus and I've had like I mean, I guess, I
don't know. I've God knows, I'm not like an expert
on having every sickness ever. I just like could not
rationalize what was happening to her at all. She was

(36:21):
like thrashing around. Anne had like one hundred and seven
fever and it was really I just could not rationalize
what was going on with her, you know what I mean?
Am I making any sense?

Speaker 1 (36:36):
I don't know if I follow.

Speaker 3 (36:39):
I just like, what was it? Like? Was she weak
or was she thrashing around?

Speaker 1 (36:45):
She had the illness, she had the illness and the
ill of course, I just like, have you.

Speaker 3 (36:54):
Had a flu like that? I've never had a flu,
and I'm sure I heard that people have like hallucinating Yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (37:03):
Yeah, I get what you're saying.

Speaker 3 (37:04):
Every time I'm sick as sick at all.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Yeah, every time I've had a fluid is like I
actually am the stillest I will ever be in my life.

Speaker 3 (37:14):
And I like caim and that's how I feel. I'm like,
if I move, I think I'll die.

Speaker 1 (37:18):
Yeah. I do a lot of like oh you know,
and it's when it's just like the symptoms are so
much You're like I just need to like express how terrible.
This is I do a lot of moaning.

Speaker 3 (37:36):
I have a very clear memory as a child of
laying on the couch like and my mom had made
up the couch so like, you know, sheets on it,
and you know. I remember I had like a sprite
next to me with a crushed up aspirin in it,
and I just was like I had the flu really bad.
And I remember hearing my siblings like playing next to

(37:58):
me and turning to them and being like if I die,
I love you's gonna die. Like but even like feeling
so sick, it's like I gotta sake my.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I hear you. Sometimes you get a cold or a
flu so bad that you're like, I don't like that's
the one that dues me in. Yeah it's over. It's
lights out, r Kinderstock, come and get me. I hear you.
Every time that I get a cold, I'm like, I'll
know I will have a cold. I'll never breathe out

(38:34):
of my nose again, I will never get my voice back,
Like it's over for me.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
I hate when you can't swallow and you're like I
never appreciate it swallowing, like like I'll never forget you swallowing.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Oh my gosh, brutal. Oh my god. Every time, every
time I get a cold, I'm like, it's the end
of my career. My voice will never come back, especially
because I feel like, at least for me, the voice
is the last thing to come back. So I'll be like,
you know, I'm not I'm not congested anymore. I'm like
going to work again, and I'm like, man, yet, oh,

(39:08):
the my singing voice is gone. It's all over for me.
I hear you, no, hear you me me in bed
tissoes all over the bed.

Speaker 3 (39:22):
Oh oh, like you clean six months later and you
like throw your arm under something and you go, oh
my god, there's so tishoes here.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
I know I could do that, and I will, like,
I'll get to a point where I just feel so
disgusting that I don't care anymore, and I will just
blow the tissue and then I'll just throw it. Let's go, oh,
just toss it.

Speaker 3 (39:47):
I've had times where I've run out of tissues and
I start and I've been so sick, mom, I'll just
use my sheet. Ohh it the next day obviously, But
like I'm not, especially not if I live alone or like,
you know, I'm almost thirty, like I've had a cold
or two while I live by myself. Yeah, you gotta

(40:10):
take you. I have no energy to go get a
box of tissues and it's four am. Like if I
don't sleep, I won't I won't heal.

Speaker 1 (40:20):
Oh if I'm eating, because it's just like I don't
have it in me to like get up and get something.
Oh my god, I'm gonna be killed by death.

Speaker 3 (40:33):
All this to say, I just could not tell what
kind of sick Buffy was, but that was just me.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
No, you're right, she is thrashing. She is thrashing. But
I think the thrashing is she has such such a
sense of responsibility of like she's got to go kick
vampire ass and the angel is out there and they
are Actually.

Speaker 3 (40:53):
She's like I can't be in the hospital, like.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yeah, so she's trying to be like fight them off,
be like let me out, let me out.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
Yeah. Hey, period. I really took us on the tangent.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Something I liked. I liked the Tangent one because I
don't have a lot to say about this episode besides
the fact that I hated it and I would like
the episode to not be forty minutes long. I'd like
to have a little more content than that, so I
appreciated the tangent. One thing I did like about this
episode is that Buffy is like fully healed the next day.
I like that canonizing of she has super healing powers

(41:28):
because we see this girl get injured all the time.

Speaker 3 (41:31):
And even the doctor being like, wow, you are so
like you're so strong and brave, and you're you heal
so fast. This is awesome. I was like, oh my god,
that was organization too.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
I appreciated that little tippit. Also, are you aware the
security guard is Stanford Blant from Sex in the City.
He's also Evan from Freaky Friday, but he's different Blant
from Sex and the City.

Speaker 3 (41:51):
Yes, yes, yes, I didn't know that. Yeah, yeah, I
was just thinking about Freaky Friday.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
One of my notes says, the eyes are tentacles. Okay,
I guess that's kind of fun.

Speaker 3 (42:06):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 1 (42:07):
I was in such a bad mood that I just
decided immediately to be piersed about it. And then I
was like, I guess that's a cool character design that
his eyeballs like come out and suck people up.

Speaker 3 (42:18):
The character. The character design is pretty wonderful. I will
say good. I don't know. It speaks to something primal
that lives in my heart that every time I hear
a child scream, it like makes me sick, Like it
makes me actually sick. And like that whole scene like

(42:39):
watching him like grab these kids and his freaking eyes,
like I was like, turn this shit off. I do
not care how cool his character design is. It was
making me ill. And even Buffy said like, you make
me sick, and I said, you and me bol sister.

Speaker 1 (42:59):
I mean I think that's you know, kind of the gag,
like that's what they're going for. I think that's too
he kills kids. I don't know, I think it, yeah,
And I don't know how like necessary it was for
an episode to be like this demon, Like there's no

(43:19):
this this demon is not really representative of anything beyond
like Buffy's fear of death, you know him like killing
kids isn't like a metaphor for like another part of
growing up, besides the fact that like her cousin was
a kid when she died.

Speaker 3 (43:35):
And yeah, I while watching it, I was like, I
think looking for a seme in there that was like
not there, I think, at least to me, like watching
it for real, I was like looking for themes of

(43:55):
like child abuse in the episode. But I think you're right.
I think it's straight up just like fear of death
and like being a young person killed surrounded by death. Yeah,
being killed by death.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Yeah. I mean, there's only so many times we can
say it, and that so many times we haven't even
begun to reach, so we'll say it again. You know,
it's so insane this girl is surrounded by death to
have the resolution be she kicks death's ass like it
just I don't understand how they got to that conclusion.

(44:32):
Why no one was like, would it not be more
thematically satisfying for her to make peace with death instead
of kick death's ass? Oh my gosh, I yeah, so weird,
so crazy. This is why they never wrote another episode.
Is as soon as they turned the script, they were like,
they were like, actually, your asses are out the door.
You cannot work here again.

Speaker 3 (44:52):
They turn this They turned this script in last year
and they thought it was good enough to pick back up.

Speaker 1 (44:57):
Well, here's the deal. They thought it was bad enough
that it didn't make the cut for season one.

Speaker 3 (45:04):
Like what happened where they were like, I wonder if
they had to scrap something else.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
Or I Yeah, I wonder if they were. I wonder
if they were like, Okay, well we have X amount
of episodes left, and here's the arc we have planned,
and like we really we don't know what's going in
Slot eighteen, so like, what are some scripts that we
passed on. I guess this one has to do with death.

(45:29):
Someone just died last week, so I guess we'll revive
this one.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
And I think that's what it is.

Speaker 1 (45:34):
Yeah, I think it's that.

Speaker 3 (45:35):
Are like, you know they're doing this, the strings are stringing,
and this was probably the episode that's like clicked in
the best with the arc that they're setting up.

Speaker 1 (45:48):
You know, Season one had an arc, but the arc
was like very in the background, so we could take
little vacation episodes. Ye, And then I think that was
kind of their mindset, was like, this is what the
show is is we have an arc and then we
do monsters of the Week during the arc, and they
can be whatever we want them to be. I would
not be surprised if the writers then wrote Angel Turning

(46:12):
Evil and then realized after the fact, like, oh, this
is actually so personal to Buffy, Yeah, that we can't
really take vacation episodes anymore. And yet we have an arc,
you know, planned forward that only occupies this many episodes,
and now we have gaps, and how do we fill
those gaps? And so yeah, I think I think they

(46:34):
found this script. They were like, it's about death, so
I guess, yeah, you know, it's not like fully off base.
It would make sense that Buffy would be struggling with
a fear of death after Jenny dies, So hey, don't
do that, They're wrong.

Speaker 3 (46:47):
I just think it's a swing and a mess. I
think it's a swing and a miss.

Speaker 1 (46:51):
Yeah, I just I wish they would have written an
episode where people are really affected by Jenny's death and
it is emotionally deal like, and I understand that Giles
is a grown man when he's with kids, and he
likely as kind of like their protector, would be attempting
to not show Yeah, would not be like showing a
lot of emotion. But like, the only acknowledgment of the

(47:15):
fact that Giles lost someone is Joyce being like, hey,
I heard that you were really close with the teacher
who died. Sorry about that. Like it's just and I'm
obviously I'm being a little flippant there, But it does
all of the mentions of Jenny feel so passional. Yes,
the Jenny of it all is so casual in this episode.

(47:38):
It is so shocking. She just died last week. Why
are we treating Buffy's cousin's death as a bigger deal. Sure,
maybe it was a bigger deal to Buffy, but we
as the viewers have never fucking heard of Celia. We
don't give a shit about Celia. So why are we
focusing so much on Celia, a character that frankly does
not exist outside of this episode, and being so cavalier

(47:59):
about one of our main characters dying? Yeah, I hear you, crazy.

Speaker 3 (48:06):
And I mean I even think that there is there's
some truth to not Giles Joyce says something along the
lines of, like Buffy never gets sick. I think she's
just feeling really down about Jenny. And I think there's
some truth to like going through something in your life
and it like manifesting physically, Like if you won't let

(48:28):
yourself go through it, your body's gonna go through it.
Like that's that's straight up true. So if they wanted
to do something along the lines of, like, you know,
Buffy won't let herself deal with this, and she like
makes herself sick over it. Like, I think that's a
good idea. I think that's interesting. I don't know, though,

(48:53):
I just think, you know, they picked this episode up
from a filing cabinet and tried to make it make
sense with what's going on, and it genuinely does.

Speaker 4 (49:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Serious, let's go to the rejected piles. See what we
got in there?

Speaker 3 (49:08):
Like hmmm, and I mean, you know, like this this
season is wrapping up they I think what you said
is true. They just had to bide some time before
they could do their big one, their Big one and
big two, Big one Part Big Part one and Big
Part two. You catch right drift, Yes, yeah, I don't know,

(49:31):
And even still like this episode is just so oh,
it's just no fun because I even feel like there
are episodes in season one that handle heavier topics but
have an element of fun to them, and this episode
is it is boring and tonally fucked.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
You hit it right on the head. I kept being like,
would I have liked this episode more if it was
season one? I was like, Season one has so many
Monster the episodes that are silly and ridiculous that I
actually really love and do I hate this episode just
because it's like, do I hate it so much because
it's following the Jenny death.

Speaker 3 (50:09):
Of No No, No, No No.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
But you are right the silly Monster of the Week
episodes in season one that are a similar vibe are silly,
like I enjoy them because there is an inherent campiness
and silliness and fun to them. This episode is not
silly at all, and so therefore the stupider aspects I
can't be like, well it's camp who cares it is?

(50:34):
It's so self serious that now all the stupid aspects
are just stupid, They're just dumb.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Yeah, And I mean I said this, I said this earlier.
It feels like more like a bad hospital show, a
bad cop show than it does like an episode of
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. And I do think that there
could be a way that Buffy does hospital drama, But Mama,
that's silly, like to put Buffy in a hospital drama,

(51:02):
like I want to see the nurses, I don't know,
kissing the doctors, not that, but like I don't know,
something fun like let me giggle, let me ha ha.
And you know this episode is literally about child death
like it's all like it is, there's no fun to
be had at all, and how can they I think
this idea is just bad.

Speaker 1 (51:23):
When Buffy's buying outside the door and the doctor is like,
the parents are already signed off on it, I'm fully within
my rights, and the nurses like, because they don't know
what you're doing, because they trust you because you're a doctor.
It's very it's very grazy, it's very.

Speaker 3 (51:38):
They should have been like, and you're a doctor and
the father of my child. Yes, yes, that would have
been fun. It would it have been fun? I don't know.
I actually I think this whole no. I think especially
if they wanted to do that, I think they could.
They could not have done it with Dirk Hindostad at all.

(52:01):
And that's the thing is, I feel like that is
where they've gone wrong. Where they're trying to do hospital
drama plus the heaviest topic they could tackle literally ever,
and those things I'm not having fun.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
Yeah, it's a flop. The Buffy Cilia flashbacks, I also
just like don't like, I don't know. I guess power
Girl and her pretendit to be power Girl and like
saving Cilia from the pretended Avalanche shows that Buffy's always
had an inherent sense of justice and want to serve others,
but that once again, sorry, it feels very fan fiction

(52:41):
to me that it's like, oh, Buffy's the Slayer, so
I'm gonna invent a backside.

Speaker 3 (52:47):
She's been slaying since she was a child.

Speaker 1 (52:49):
Yeah, like she's been pretending to be a superhero forever.
It just everything, every conclusion in this episode is the
first thought that would pop into your head and then
it was accepted without spending five seconds to you know,
dig any deeper into it. It is just everything is
the most obvious resolution ever. Buffy is a great slayer

(53:09):
because she pretended to be basically a slayer when she
was a kid. And this demon is the exact same
demon that killed Buffy's cousin, and Buffy's gonna deal with
Death because she's gonna kick Death's ass and it's just
really stupid. And yeah, Angel is gonna show up in
the graveyard and they're gonna He's not gonna kill them though,
because they're all gonna pull out a crucifix, and he's

(53:31):
gonna show up in the hospital. But then he's scared
of the orderly, so he's gonna leave, Like, what the
hell's going on?

Speaker 3 (53:37):
Yeah, what the hell is going on?

Speaker 1 (53:40):
Oh my gosh, And I don't know.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (53:42):
You're telling me he walked into that hospital. He didn't
have a grand plan. This is the man who chased
Jenny Calender through the school, pretended to like get bested
by hers, that he could sneak around and end up
at the top of the stairs.

Speaker 3 (53:57):
He schematics for Sunnydale High and went and then I'm
gonna go here, and then I'm gonna here, and then
I'm gonna go here.

Speaker 1 (54:02):
He dug a tunnel. He built a tunnel up to
the second floors, and he could sneak yes with this spoon.
He was there for months. He then took her dead body,
placed it on like broke into Giles's house, placed it
on his bed, put flower petals everywhere, bought wine, put
opera on the record player, and then sat his ass

(54:23):
down and drew a picture of Jenny's face. And you're
telling me that that same motherfucker had no other thought
than I'll just walk into the hospital and walk into
Buffy's room. I don't buy it. I don't buy it.
He had the schematics of the hospital as well. He
had snuck it already. He had a trap laying for Buffy,

(54:44):
he had a five point plan he did.

Speaker 3 (54:48):
And Sentinel Xander's the one who no.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
No, it's really stupid him showing up in the graveyard
and being like, oh what a small world, funny running
into you guys here and they're like, oh, yeah, Angel
will be got across bye. Oh my gosh, I have that.

Speaker 3 (55:07):
And no one sticks him, and it is back to
them like, oh my.

Speaker 1 (55:11):
God, I really really hate it.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah, this episode is like infuriating, yeah, and also boring, boring.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
F boring as shit, And I honestly, I don't think
I have anything else to say. I just think it's
bad too. It's a bad episode. It's a huge flop. Sorry,
we're ending twenty twenty five on a sour note. Killed
by death, Killed by death. Twenty twenty five was just
killed by death?

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Okay? Can we can you level with me? Obviously we've seen.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
This show before, of course I can level with you.

Speaker 3 (55:47):
There was that moment where Joyus is talking to Giles.
Do you think they're trying to set something up?

Speaker 1 (55:58):
I have never consider or that.

Speaker 3 (56:01):
It was freaking me out and maybe that's just because
I'm like Jenny, Jenny, that's my wife, Like I will
literally live and die for Jennifer Calendar. And it was
making me sick to my fucking stomach that they would
even and maybe this was me reading into something that

(56:24):
they would even like be like what if we did
this instead? I was like, fuck you, Like I can't
believe you do this for my girl. Okay, you've never
come okay period.

Speaker 1 (56:35):
I feel like they're trying to set a different thing
up a lot, but not Giles and Joyce.

Speaker 3 (56:41):
Oh, I'm definitely you're saying Buffy's Andander.

Speaker 1 (56:45):
There there is a feeling that now that Angel is evil,
Jos can live out his self insert fantasies, and that
bander is going to happen. I have noticed ever since
Angel turning evil, those who are spending a lot of
time together and Xander is having a lot of heroic moments,

(57:07):
and I'm like, I see through this bullshit. I know
what you're trying to do here.

Speaker 3 (57:11):
And like also to have so many episodes where Cordelia
opens up to him and saying it bothers me that
you are so obsessed with Buffy.

Speaker 1 (57:25):
Like really watching Buffy's ass every day.

Speaker 3 (57:28):
Seriously, you're watching her butt like it bothers me. And
for Xander to be like I don't care like makes
me mad. It makes me mad. And of course, you know,
Buffy is an important member of this group who is
you know, vulnerable and needs and genuinely she has people

(57:50):
out to get her. She needs someone to guard her,
and Xander is all too horny for it. And I mean,
this is something that we will talk about a lot,
a lot, but Joss Whedon, the showrunner, has on record

(58:12):
talked about how it bothers him that people like the
vampires on the show so much. I mean, like Doggie
wrote that. Doggie wrote that, like what do you think
was gonna happen?

Speaker 1 (58:25):
But like.

Speaker 3 (58:27):
Vampires are evil and like that's true evil. And I
can see him setting up this, like but this is
the ultimate good guy, the guy who's been here all along,
Like this is her one true thing. And oh and
I'm not taking.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
The beat, I'm not taking the bit yearning.

Speaker 3 (58:50):
Yeah, I mean him like picking her up at the
end of this and like even girl, it makes me
sick actually, and I mean I also I don't hate Xander.
I don't these two do not belong together. They don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:08):
And in the same way that I think it's a
shitty moral that it's like Buffy learns that you don't
have to make peace with death, you can't kick its ass.
I think it's a shitty moral to be like Xander
learns that you don't actually have to accept that someone
rejected you and move on. You can actually you can
hold a candle for the past until you wear them down. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (59:27):
Yeah, And that's not a good lesson for anyone to learn.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
And while you're actively in a relationship with someone else,
you can still be.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Somebody who genuinely cares about him too, like, and it's
so funny too, Like I just think, I I love Cordelia.
Cordelia is one of my faves on this show. She is,
like I think she's so wonderful. I think she's so interesting,
and I think she is a good match for Xander

(59:59):
in a lot of ways. And I think like ads
perspective where he needs it, and she's just so intelligent
and wonderful and she's the only one who can actually
talk to him in a way that like checks him
on his bullshit. Like I think that this is actually
like a good pair and to have Joss weedn't spit

(01:00:21):
in my fucking face it makes me mad.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Yeah, I hear you, I hear you. Oh yeah, I've
just been and you know, more on the We'll have
more on this story as it develops, but like, yeah,
I've on this watch through. I've really been noticing the
BANDR seeds that are being planted as we go through
these episodes.

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
It makes me sick. It makes me sick.

Speaker 1 (01:00:47):
Well, any other thoughts on Killed by Death?

Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
No? Hell, yeah, honestly this is good for me because
I gotta go to bed. Worst part of this time?

Speaker 1 (01:01:04):
Hecky, okay, well what was your worst part?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Oh my god? What's my worst part? What is my
worst part?

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Uh?

Speaker 3 (01:01:15):
I'm gonna say just general tone, general tone, like especially
Buffy being like nah, he's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:26):
Clean, like.

Speaker 3 (01:01:29):
Shut up, oh my god. Like it is so giving
Grey's Anatomy in a not fun, not sexy way, like
and I love a hospital show, but like there's a
level of campness to those shows that you kind of
have to rise to in this episode falls flat Unforgue,

(01:01:52):
which sucks so bad. But I would say the general
tone of this episode is such a and especially like
after my eat. Jenny literally one of my favorite characters.
I literally cannot believe that girl is gone. I'm genuinely
grieving this. This character's death in my fucking TV show.
Such a gross heel turn. That is, Yeah, that's uh no, Ian,

(01:02:19):
what's your worst part?

Speaker 1 (01:02:20):
This is a fucking blows. My worst part is that
Buffy learns that if you hate death enough, you can
cagate that as.

Speaker 3 (01:02:30):
I love that. I hope we can all learn that,
learn that maybe my dad can come back to life.
That's what I'm saying, though, this is not a good
lesson to teach anyone exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
It's fucking crazy. It's so stupid, and this show usually
does such a good job at showing the harsh realities
of life. Just last week, Jenny's death was treated so well.
It's crazy to me that, like, it's such a heelter
now and you know, binging this TV show. This episode
bothered me less because I just I just immediately watched

(01:03:12):
the next one, so I was like whatever, and then
I wiped it from week by week.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
I'm like, god, what.

Speaker 1 (01:03:19):
I'm like, I have to go fight Rob that as
Hotel and Deem but Tali right now, I'm seriously to
get us.

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Their contact information. I'm mad, I gotta talk. We just
want to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
That was and for it to be the follow up
to passion, like what are we fucking doing here? And
for them to make us talk about it on New
Year's Eve? Happy New Year everyone. So yeah, it's it's
the whole, Like the fact.

Speaker 3 (01:03:50):
Rod too mind.

Speaker 1 (01:03:53):
God, look, daddy teacher says every time a bell rings
and angel that's Adam boy Clarence. Even the fact that
they tease us, that makes it even more offensive that
they tease us. White with Jiles been like, is it
possible that Buffy, you know, has a hard time dealing
with the fact that she can't control the forces of death,

(01:04:15):
so she is trying to conceptualize it in a demon
that she can. And no, that's not possible. It's a
real demon. What's your best part, hmm?

Speaker 3 (01:04:25):
What is my best part? The Krispy Kream. Yeah, it
is my best part. I'm really sorry, girl, I wanted
some bad I didn't see a donut at all. I
just saw a bag with a logo and I.

Speaker 1 (01:04:40):
Said response, like my mouth water, give me one.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
God. I haven't been to Chrispy Creeman so long.

Speaker 1 (01:04:51):
Sunday. It was really special.

Speaker 3 (01:04:52):
Oh my god, but what's it chris Feet?

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
I honestly I love that video. I do think she's
off baby. I think it is a little crispy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:03):
Can you get a good one?

Speaker 1 (01:05:04):
And yeah, there's a crisp.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
It's a crisp. But was it Chrisp?

Speaker 1 (01:05:10):
No disrespect to that icon, but there's a crisp?

Speaker 3 (01:05:12):
Oh none. I love Krispy Kreme. I what is my
best part of this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:05:19):
Damn?

Speaker 3 (01:05:20):
Not even a donut. I didn't even have to see
a donut and I was barking my screen. I think
when well, did buppy some work? I would love for
a friend. I don't do homework anymore, but I would
love for a friend to do That's right, what's your
best part?

Speaker 1 (01:05:37):
Kinder said? Has a really cool design, A cool design
that like it really stuck with. I have like a
sense memory of watching this episode laying in my bunk
bed that I had growing up on my iPod touch
watching this episode. I love it is simply because such
a memorable monster design that from remember, like seeing him

(01:06:01):
go through the hallway. Yeah, this episode free. And I
hate to say this because I hated this episode and
I do like this show. This episode felt like an
episode of Doctor Who. To me, do you understand? Do
you pick up what I'm putting down?

Speaker 3 (01:06:13):
I actually was thinking that I didn't want to say
that because I think there are episodes of Doctor Who
that obviously, like have really struck a chord with me
that I love so much. Doctor Who came in my
life right when I needed her.

Speaker 1 (01:06:24):
I loved Who.

Speaker 3 (01:06:25):
But the thing like, there are episodes where.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
I'm like, Okay, this was stupid, like we can't be
serious stupid, like okay, oh my god.

Speaker 3 (01:06:36):
Period. I'm like, you just kind of just put anything
on my screen and your think I'm gonna watch it.

Speaker 1 (01:06:50):
It's Doctor Who was always it was always the hardest
wreck for me to give people because like Buffy, Buffy,
I'm like, can you hear me? Am I still here?

Speaker 3 (01:07:05):
I can't.

Speaker 1 (01:07:06):
Okay, Buffy, I'm like, you know, the first season might
not be your your cup of tea, but like it
gets really great in season two. I promise you'll love it. Yeah,
Doctor Who. I had to be so specific on who
I recommended it.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
I'm like, you need to watch this, watch this, skip this,
don't even watch him.

Speaker 1 (01:07:24):
Serious, Like fifty percent of the episodes I actually cannot
defend and you will think I'm a dumbass when you
watch them.

Speaker 3 (01:07:33):
No, I know, and maybe if we were British, like
we would have, because I mean I grew up watching
Doctor Who because I sought it out, not because I
like have any sort of ties to it like that.
Like I just was not charmed by so many episodes.
I was like, Okay, you guys, this is we can't

(01:07:54):
be serious. This episode definitely felt like a bad episode
of Doctor Who. I agree so much Who, though I
love I love.

Speaker 1 (01:08:02):
So much Docter Who is so much Doctor Who is
like genuinely gorgeous and study it makes you like evaluate
life in the universe. And then sometimes you get a
Slovan episode and you just gotta watch it.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
My god, period, should we talk about death count and
then wrap this shit up of the episode?

Speaker 1 (01:08:22):
I've got one, Okay, what is yours?

Speaker 3 (01:08:25):
I think Dirk kin Destad has this moment where he
like takes off his little hat and he like tips
it and he does a little wave and when he
like when he like is lurking in the hall and
he goes he like giggles, and I'm like, okay, he's
a diva. Okay, he's a diva. It's theatrical. Yeah, and

(01:08:46):
that felt that fell gate to me.

Speaker 1 (01:08:49):
Oh yeah, about as Difford Bland from Sex in the
Cities in this episode, and that's of course no, I
oh bores.

Speaker 3 (01:09:00):
God. I love Sex in the City. He's so good
in that show.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
Hell yeah, great kill count Tina? Is there Tina and Durkindersad?
Is there anyone else? Celia? Yeah, but I'm not counting
that that.

Speaker 3 (01:09:12):
I mean, we watched Celia. If we watched Celia, but.

Speaker 1 (01:09:14):
It's a flashback. I'm like, is it in the world
of the episode that I happened?

Speaker 3 (01:09:18):
It's of course, rest in peace, Celia. It was awful.
If I had to watch that ship, we were counting it.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Okay. Fair Also, and I've said this a few times,
one of my beasts with this show is they do
not know how to do a satisfying kill of a monster.
Oh yeah, we have this whole episode and Dr Kindersaid
is such a threat and then he like fully has
Buffy pinned down, tentacles are coming out the eyes. He's

(01:09:50):
gonna suck her soul up, and then she just reaches
up and goes ding and he's dead. And it's not
a big enough issue that like it really affects my
overall and joy of the show. But I am really
really noticing on this watch. I'm like, most monsters have
an incredibly anticlamactic defeat.

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
No, I know, I was thinking that too. I also,
I mean I think, I I mean, even like the
little boy like sends Buffy a picture of your kindestod decapitated,
and of course the boat happen, but like, I know,
but like, let me see her to capitate him.

Speaker 1 (01:10:28):
Yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:10:30):
Like, and of course that like costs money to do,
but would that be so fun?

Speaker 1 (01:10:36):
Also? Hold up, they go to the hospital and they're like,
it's definitely the doctor, and then Buffy goes, no, he was.
He was clean, and they're like, what do you mean was?
And she's like, oh, he died last night. Would that
not be on the news? And would they not have
like a full lockdown of the hospital because he did
not die last night. They found his body in the hospital,

(01:11:00):
in the children's ward, in the same room as the children,
with a claw mark across his chest and his neck broken.

Speaker 3 (01:11:08):
Yeah, they would have.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
And I understand that Sidal and like, people die a
lot but like this is that the children's wing of
a hospital. He was brutally attacked and murdered. There would
be a full investigation happening.

Speaker 3 (01:11:24):
That I know. And honestly, the part two where they're
like going through his stuff, I'm like, a cop hasn't
been through here at all.

Speaker 1 (01:11:31):
Well, that's why they get arrested next week is because
they're like, we found your fingerprints all over his office.

Speaker 3 (01:11:38):
Seriously, you know that guy who was brutally murdered. Prints
are everywhere that place, everywhere. Girl, Oh my god, good thing.
The cops here are literal idiots.

Speaker 1 (01:11:49):
Ah man, I hate this episode and we never have
to talk about it again. You're talking about only have
eyes for you. Oh wait, next week, we're not talking
about on the ice for you, only have ice for you,
because as a little New Year's treat for ourselves, we
will be taking next week off. So in two weeks,

(01:12:10):
what'll were talking about only eyes for you, only have
eyes for you. We will see you then. Hooray nose spoilers.

Speaker 3 (01:12:16):
I remember loving that apisode.

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
I remember liking that episode too, So I'm excited, thank.

Speaker 3 (01:12:21):
Goodness, really excited. But God knows, God knows, I've surprised
myself before. Love you guys, Happy New Year. I'm genuinely
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Speaker 3 (01:12:46):
Yeah, actually I don't like Okay, got it, got it?

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Speaker 1 (01:15:12):
Bye, hell Yeah, Happy New Year. Mayor twenty twenty six
be the best year yet. Farewell twenty twenty five, Baby
New Year is now old man New Year. He's about
to be killed by death. And twenty twenty six, Baby
New Year is entering the villa. A new baby New
Year has entered the villa. See you in two weeks. Dear,

(01:15:37):
thanks for listening, and be slavey gay. What do we
say we have like a thing? We say keep slaying?

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
I think you say keep slaying. Yeah, I think it's that, Hey,
keep slavey gay.

Speaker 1 (01:15:51):
I love that. I think that's slay, keep slavey gay.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
I love that. Love you guys, Happy New Year. Here
is my night. Kiss on your man night forehead hard
three too. Oh my god, we kissed at midnight a
romantic Oh my god, rabbit, rabbit love you guys. Have
a great night. Be safe tonight.

Speaker 1 (01:16:14):
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Email us at Recovering Gleek at giba dot com, Join
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review us, and tell your friends please. Have you ever
had a midnight kiss on midnight on New Year's Eve?

Speaker 3 (01:16:30):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:16:31):
I never have ever in my life.

Speaker 3 (01:16:34):
Oh, you don't even kiss a stranger.

Speaker 1 (01:16:37):
Well, here's the deal. Most New Year's I'm with my
immediate family.

Speaker 3 (01:16:40):
Your family, So it's not a family holiday. Sorry it's not.

Speaker 1 (01:16:46):
I understand that.

Speaker 3 (01:16:47):
But Ian, I'm telling you, and I'm holding your hands
when I say this, get your ass to the club.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Well here's here's the thing. Is this year on New
Year's I am in New York CITYY but my sister
is visiting, which I'm thrilled out of my mind about
Actually it's gonna be so fun. But I'm not gonna
drag her ass to a gay club so she can
watch me make out with a stranger. Not that like
she would like be like, oh my gosh, how dare you?

(01:17:14):
But more just like, if she's taking the time, she
goes you're gay, what the fuck? No. But if she
is taking the time and money to visit me for
New Year's we're going to do stuff that we can
do together. Not I'm gonna go make out with a stranger.
You know I did. Oh my gosh, girl, you can't.

Speaker 3 (01:17:40):
Kiss your sister on New Year's I'm not going to.

Speaker 1 (01:17:43):
I did have a New Year's Eve on a ship, cau,
this is way too topical. I did have a New
Year's Eve on a ship, and it was like a
weird you know, ships don't have cell service, and it
was hard communicating people, and I got confused, and so
I just like ended up separated from like the group

(01:18:04):
of people I knew, and so I ended up in
a group with the hospital staff hot doctor, and hot
doctor was there, and I'm pretty sure by this point
I'd already been shot down by Hot doctor and so
then it was like a very awkward, like it was
almost midnight, and I was like, and now, I don't
want him to think that like I came here because
I'm trying to kiss him, because he literally already told me.

(01:18:26):
I know. I'm like, hey, you all alone on New
yearsy Yeah, news. It was just that was a time
that I could have had a New Year's kiss, but
I was so focused on not embarrassing myself in front
of this man that I had said I had a
crush on. He said he didn't feel the same way
that I was, therefore blind to every other option around me.

Speaker 3 (01:18:47):
Oh, I hear you, I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:49):
That's so funny, hey, it is what it is.

Speaker 3 (01:18:53):
It is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:18:54):
Well, happy New Year's.

Speaker 3 (01:18:55):
Hope you kiss someone next year, though.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Twenty twenty seven, you're going to the club. It'll be crazy,
it'll be crazy, hey,