BtVS S2E8 The Dark Age

There comes a time in your growing up when you realize the adults in your life are flawed human beings just like you, and that they may have accidentally summoned a sleepwalker demon decades ago that has now returned to kill everyone.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Mock yeah, ing yeah, bird, yeah, yeah, yeah. You're not
a fan of the song mocking bird? You everybody? Have
you heard Lena Drennan, He's gonna buy me and my bird?

Speaker 2 (00:19):
Is this hair? No? I don't know.

Speaker 1 (00:24):
It's just like some song from the seventies.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
I don't know, Okay. Not you fucking laughing at me
about a song from the seventies having the same vibe
as a hair song. Not you laughing at me when that?
I'm sorry, Someone understand how I got there?

Speaker 1 (00:43):
No, it makes sense. I like to publicly apologize for
laughing at Lena Knatzer for thinking that mocking Birds from hair.

Speaker 2 (00:50):
I don't appreciate being laughed at there.

Speaker 1 (00:53):
Of a similar era of music.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
Bro, have I got a slacked for you? That's gonna
blow your your your musical theater loving mind.

Speaker 1 (01:05):
Well let's get into it. Recovering Gleek presents.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
A clear Buffy podcast. Hello everyone, my name is Lena and.

Speaker 1 (01:26):
My name.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Is Ian and welcome to Sleigh Fly, a queer Buffy podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Mock yeah Drennan, yeah, bird.

Speaker 2 (01:45):
Yeah, yeah yeah, mocking bird yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
Every Oh my god, he's going by me. I'm great
because I'm singing mocking Bird by lay to look at
who I don't know? In As and Charlie Fox. Is
this right? Yes, it's by in As and Charlie Fox,
released in nineteen sixty three. Okay, Wow, it was a hit.

(02:15):
My dad used to listen to a lot of like,
oh my gosh, like now that's what I call music, maybe,
but songs that were like, here's like the top hits
from like nineteen sixty nine, Yes, exactly, we listen, We
ran those records ragged.

Speaker 2 (02:31):
Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
Yeah, So I know a lot of music from the
sixties and seventies and then that kind of end of list.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
I think that's great too. I think that was a
great time for music.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
It was. I meant in As and Charlie Fox already
mocking Bird. How could it not?

Speaker 2 (02:45):
My god, No, how can it not be? I famously
love that song. No, all the words would never mistake
it for a musical, a piece of musical theater.

Speaker 1 (02:53):
Half of them are just yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
I also just I think it's safe to assume that
if you're singing something cocky tea, that it's going.

Speaker 1 (03:01):
To be a musical. No, that is very safe to assume.
And I think that the version that I just have
to shout it out. I need to give credit where
credit is due. I do think the version of Mockingbird
that I am used to is actually a Curly Simon
and James Taylor Carly Simon. It was written by Naz

(03:23):
and Charlie Fox. But I do think that the version
I have in my mind, of course, is Carly Simon
and James Taylor of Your So Vain Fame? Is that correct?
It is? And James Taylor of You've Got a Friend Fame? Yeah? Uh,
and not Hair. But I do love the music and Hair.

(03:44):
In fact, as a kid, we listened to the title
track from Hair quite a bit, and we listen to
Age of Aquarius quite a bit. Gray album. Hi, Lena,
how are you? I'm good?

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Thanks for asking? Oh my god, thank you for asking.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
I'm good.

Speaker 2 (04:01):
I'm good. Oh my god. But life is crazy. Life
is crazy. We live in a political healthscape. God knows. No.
I just mean like, we just live in a political healthscape.
How can we find joy in times like these? God knows?

Speaker 1 (04:15):
Yeah? But I'm okay, Hey, and I hear you.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Yeah, I'm excited to talk about this episode.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Though I am too. Do we get into it? Do
you want to talk about other stuff.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
What can we talk about otherwise?

Speaker 1 (04:29):
I don't know. Halloween's win two weeks away.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
Oh my god, I'm so excited for Halloween. Obviously, we
know you're going to be sexy slimmer.

Speaker 1 (04:36):
I don't. Oh no, that did make the podcast proper.
I was trying to remember if that was only a
Patron exclusive. It did make the podcast proper. The material
is on its way, it's been ordered. Okay, very good,
and oh my gosh, I actually don't want to say
this and then not follow through. Here's the deal. I'm
going to be sexy slimmer. Yeah, and if you see

(04:57):
pictures of me as sexy slimmer and I'm wearing like corset,
then that's what I did, Okay, and we're all cool
with that.

Speaker 2 (05:05):
And I had fun.

Speaker 1 (05:06):
I am at this point doing out workouts every day,
and I will tell you it's been hell on earth
because I want to live in a world where I'm
not self conscious the entire night. By having my middrift exposed.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
Easier said than done, exact, and we.

Speaker 1 (05:21):
Might get to a point where I'm like, actually, I
would rather have a good time than worry about how
I look, And I would just like throw on something
in between. But the vision in.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
My head is would give you shit at all.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
No, I know, I just like, in my brain it's
funnier if it's Bear middrift. That is I I do.
I am going for comedy and also I'm not gonna
lie hotness, but also comedy in this costume.

Speaker 2 (05:48):
I hear you. Ah, God knows, I think obviously all
bodies are beautiful. Bear midriff is easier said than done,
but I'm sure. I think. I like your your your
thought where it's like you'd rather be comfortable, So where
what's going to make you the most comfortable? And if
that's going to be a corset, then that's fine. But
also there's a sense of freedom and being like, okay,

(06:11):
this is my bod bye, let's pall because people, I promise.
And that's the thing is that no one's looking like that.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
No one's going to be like oh no, one second.
But I just know I love to do a Halloween
costume post. I love to take a picture and post
on my Instagram, of course, and so I'm like, I
do want it to be a picture that I am
not going in sane. This is an unhealthy conversation let's
go breach.

Speaker 2 (06:38):
And I don't think it's unhealthy. I don't think it's unhealthy.
I think I understand where you're coming from. But also
I think you understand too that you're going to be
your harshest critic, of course, and if that's going to
be something that you're stressed about or with a stressor
But also there's freedom. I'm telling you, I'm telling you

(06:59):
and being a bad and knowing that you're a bad
bitch like it doesn't matter, like truly, and that's obviously
easier said than done. That's that's like the plight of
my life. I'll tell you what.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
But that's the thing because I know that in my
head that I don't know in my heart.

Speaker 2 (07:16):
No, I know, And that's tough. It's tough. I'm so
sorry that you have to have a body. No, I
hear you, though, you know, but we've all got we've
all got a body, we've all got a mid drift,
we've all we all eat and chit and we're all
here to get sexy on Halloween, like let's party buzz.

(07:36):
I hear you, And whatever choice you make, I support it, thanks,
bab of course. And also I'm I'm obviously, Team Free
the mid Drift obviously. Yeah, like let's have.

Speaker 1 (07:47):
Some fucking fun. Yeah, hey, let's move on.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
Okay, Like what I'm going to be If you want
to know a clown for Halloween.

Speaker 1 (07:57):
Yes, talk us through. You're doing like a group thing, right, Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
Me and all my friends and I think if you
want to be a clown two with us, pull up.
We're all gonna just be like silly clowns. We're gonna
go thrifting for like silly clothes, and I'm gonna try
and make a rouff, like a Shakespeare like neck ruff.
Oh and We're gonna get together and do a bunch

(08:21):
of fun makeup. It's on a Friday, so I can
go caet and work in the morning. Like Hallowekend's gonna
go nuts. I'm'm excited. I feel like I don't know,
I feel like the older I get, the more of
like just like I just want to have fun, you know,
like God, life is so hard. I want to party,

(08:44):
you know.

Speaker 1 (08:44):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
I'm definitely my my party girl era. Obviously, I'm working
hard at my job, I'm working hard on my community.
I'm at my silly council meetings all the fucking time,
trying to make my community better. But god, I just
want to go clubb. Yeah, but that's what Halloween is, sister.

Speaker 1 (09:03):
I agree.

Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yeah, So I'm excited. I love Halloween and I'm excited
to see some fun movies too.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
What do you have on the docket.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Well, I've got to go see The Long Walk. I've
heard that's very good.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
I heard that's very good too.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Yeah, I've heard people like cry during the movie and
I'm like, Jesus Christ.

Speaker 1 (09:20):
Well the walk is just so long. They're like, I
can't believe there's more to this walk, but.

Speaker 2 (09:26):
It's like three miles an hour for like several days. Like,
oh my god. I do the the three nine twelve
at the at the gym and I'm like, I'm gonna die,
Oh my god. But yeah, what's what else is coming up?
Do you know? I'm suddenly I never get.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Out of the loop because since I am working at
a regional theater, I like have limited movie theater access
right now, so I don't see But I remember that
Him was coming out and I was interested in him.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh, yes, Him is out. I should go see that too.

Speaker 1 (10:00):
I remember other horror movies that I was looking forward.

Speaker 2 (10:06):
To a new Stranger's movie, which you know, I I
am so afraid of.

Speaker 1 (10:11):
The Strangers moview.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
A girl called Bone Lake. What the hell? Good boys?
What the hell? Oh my god, good boy. That's told.
It's a horror movie told from the perspective of the dog.

Speaker 1 (10:23):
The dog.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
I've heard so scared of that, and I heard I
heard spoiler alert for this movie that the dog doesn't die.

Speaker 1 (10:30):
It's the killer.

Speaker 2 (10:32):
Is the killer's killer.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
The test end seeing a Stephen King going off the
Long Walk I saw for the first time. In frankly,
I should be embarrassed that I had not seen this before.
I watched Misery for the first time the other night.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Of course, I've read the book too.

Speaker 1 (10:49):
Girl, Oh my god, hot, take that. Stephen King knows
what he's doing. He knows how to write a story.

Speaker 2 (10:55):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I was and like, I'm going in obviously expected it
to be good, but I was like, I know the gag,
like I know the premise. So I really felt like,
I was like, it's not going to be as exciting
as if I was going in blind uh uh.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
I was on the edge of my car. He didn't
get out of the cocka dooty.

Speaker 1 (11:14):
Car I was my mind that also, Yeah, I don't
know if this will end up happening. But we were
watching it as a cast and we were gagged, we
were gooped, we were screaming, we were having a great time.
And then one of our cast mates challenged. He said,
I want everyone to work cock of duty into the

(11:35):
show at some point. So I've been workshopping in my head.
I'm like, when can I say cocka duty in this
show and have it make sense?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
Oh my God, keep me updated.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
I really, I'm really scratching my head. I'll let you
know if I figure it out.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Honestly, please please let me know. That's very fun. I
really liked that movie I read the book for because
I got it in my head that I needed to
read the book first, you know how I be. And
that book was so scary, like it's so scary, and
it was just really sad too, because I mean, like
I think the like God, the first hundred pages are
just like misery like leaves him alone for a long time,

(12:16):
so he's like, you know, in the bed by himself,
and he like this is sad and kind of scary
if you don't want to hear this, but it like
describes him like, I'm not going to say this, Okay,
what fun is this?

Speaker 1 (12:29):
It's sad, it's dark, got it, it's sad.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
It's dark, and it's descriptive to tell you the least
like it. I was like, So I was that book
scared me? Oh my god, I'm reading a book right now. God,
I don't know why. I I don't know. Do people
like horror movies? Do people like scary stuff?

Speaker 1 (12:51):
About this book?

Speaker 2 (12:52):
I'm reading a book called Perfume right now and it's
about a guy.

Speaker 1 (12:57):
Girl. Is this what the movie Perfume is based on?
I don't know. Where you spray perfume and people are
like obsessed with you because of the smell.

Speaker 2 (13:05):
Nah? Wait, maybe I guess. I don't know.

Speaker 1 (13:09):
I don't know. But the ending to that movie is
so crazy.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
Well, I haven't finished the book yet. Well, I don't
know if it's the same thing. Okay, Well, so it's
just guy and it's like French Revolution era.

Speaker 1 (13:23):
This is sounding like.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
No, wait, don't spoil, but the big thing is like
this guy is like very olifactory, olifactorily gifted. It's very
obsessed with the smell of virgins.

Speaker 1 (13:39):
Yes, uh huh, shut up.

Speaker 2 (13:41):
You've seen this movie.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
I've seen the ending of the movie.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
Girl, I didn't know it was a movie.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
It's got Alan Rickman in it.

Speaker 2 (13:47):
Alan Rickman. Well, shit, I've got to watch this movie.
I'm enjoying the book, but it terrifies the fuck out
of me.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Girl, if it ends like the movie ended, Jesus Christ.
You think Misery was dark? Oh no, it's just scary.

Speaker 2 (14:04):
I isn't that. Wow, that's so funny. I had no
idea it was a movie. I was like, damn, no
one's ever heard about this book because I like found
it as a library, Like, you know, that's so funny. Wow, Well,
I'll have to check it out. I'll have to check
it out.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I love a horror movie. Goodness gracious.

Speaker 2 (14:24):
I'm seeing someone right now who hates horror movies, and
I'm like, boring. But they've mentioned that they are interested
in maybe watching. They're not like one terrified like my sister.
There's no way you can even get her to watch
By the Vampire Slayer. She hates scary stuff. So where

(14:44):
do I go with this? But I was trying to explain.
I was like, no, like watching a scary movie with
a group of friends and being all so scared together
and then laughing at each other afterwards, like I'll never
forget did you come over to my house? When we
worked at the Shakespeare Festival, we were watching that movie
like as above, so below, as above, so below, you know,

(15:07):
and famously like the movie is a whole fine, maybe
the scariest jump scare of all time. Yes, girl, But
that's the thing is I remember being in a group
of like ten fifteen people holding each other and being like, God,
this movie sucks, but we're screaming and we're laughing, and
that feeling, to me is one of the best feelings

(15:29):
on the planet. And it makes me sad that other
people don't like that. Yeah, but it's okay obviously, because
I mean, I feel grateful because I don't feel haunted
by scary movies. That's like I don't agree with people
like really able for a long time.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
I'm really able to leave it behind when the movie's
over too.

Speaker 2 (15:45):
Yeah, you know, the strangers though, that'll get me. That'll
get me because I'm like, I hate home invasion stuff
that really scares me. But like demons, that's not that
doesn't stick with me, like I know it sticks with
other people.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
I famously as a kid was such a scaredy pants,
big and scary pants, to the degree that I didn't
want to see a movie in theaters, any movie. I
remember my family going to see Muppets in Space, and
I didn't want to go because I was afraid that

(16:22):
we would get the theater wrong and end up in
the theater for.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
A scary movie. That's the thing is scary movie was
so it was so popular when we were kids. I
am genuinely afraid of it, and I think that's another
reason I haven't like tried watching it because I'm like,
scary to me as a kid, scary movie. Oh you're
talking about scary, I was talking.

Speaker 1 (16:46):
About any just like a horror film.

Speaker 2 (16:49):
Okay, that's interesting because you're nervous, so you will get
the movie wrong.

Speaker 1 (16:53):
I was so scared that we would like read the ticket,
and then in my brain it's like, obviously, if the
movie starts it's the wrong movie, you would just leave
the theater find the right theater. But I was like, no,
we'll be trapp, will have to finish the movie.

Speaker 2 (17:03):
Like I was, so I'll strap you down.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
So afraid of it, Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (17:08):
You know I was afraid. I was also a really
scared kid, Like did I tell you about the time
I went to see The Cringe in theaters? Mm hmmm,
uh so, okay, Well, I also think that I had
worked it up a lot in my head. So I
had seen the trailer, which famously includes the the the

(17:29):
and that scared the fuck out of me as a kid.
So I remember when we went to go see this
in theaters because my you know, of course we were.
It's it's a Ronnie Howard movie. We're gonna go see
it in theaters. I remember, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
How fans love you, girl, I.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Just said that, but I mean, I remember that happened.
I screamed and ran out of the theater, and my
dad had to sit with me in the hallway and
be like, okay, sister, we're going in the theater now. Like,
it's not scary. It's a it's a Christmas movie. It's
not scary. He's just a guy. But I like almost

(18:08):
refused to go into the movie. Did I tell you
When I was like ten years old? I must have
said this ten years old. For the fiftieth anniversary of Disneyland,
we went to Disneyland and my parents were like, okay,
let's all go on, let's go I'll go on haunted mansion.
And my parents had to drag my ten year old

(18:30):
ass onto haunted mansion, kicking and screaming. I was ten,
but all this will say I was a scary I
was a scaredy cat kid.

Speaker 1 (18:39):
All right, get ya, I understand. And here we are now.
I know that I look it crazy.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
And that's growth, that's growing up, and that's gross. You
could call that. You could call that the dark age.

Speaker 1 (18:59):
All right, tell me about a baby.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Okay, let me give you some slacks. Oh yeah, it's time.
The Dark Age is the eighth episode of the second
season of Buffy the Vampires Player, and the twentieth episode overall.
It was written by Joss Whedon and Dean Batali and
Rob Desk's Hotel, like freaking free, guys.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
All hands on deck.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
We're going crazy. Pretty sure they're.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
The puppet show dudes who wrote the video game.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Yeah, oh okay, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Remember that was like a half thought. They like, there's
that Buffy video game that came out After the show
ended that, they had writers come back on and said
the puppet is.

Speaker 2 (19:42):
Random Facebook marketplace all the time.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
I think that's Dean Battally and ros De's hotel who
wrote that?

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, very good? Sorry, well they helped work on this episode. No,
that's okay. And it was directed by guess who directed it?
Guess who directed it. Every time I do the slacks,
it's always Bruce said, no relationship. Yes, this guy has

(20:11):
grown me little pause all over the show. I swear,
every time I do the slacks, it's always him. So
Seth Green, he's not in this episode, but he is.
That's because he's working backstage.

Speaker 1 (20:21):
Yeah, he said, I cut all the OZ scenes. I'm
up to my eyeballs and directing the thing.

Speaker 2 (20:27):
Exactly, of course. And it was originally broadcast November tenth,
nineteen ninety seven, on the WB Network. Okay, let me
give you some fun facts. Okay, there is a photo
of a young ruper Giles holding the bass guitar in
this episode. And this is a picture that they surprised

(20:48):
Anthony stewart Head with. It's a picture like superimposed like
a picture of young Anthony stewart Head super imposed on
Sid Vicious. That was funny. Yeah, and they surprised him,
so that was fun So and I don't know if
this this next one is true, But I see I
see the vision. I see the vision. Buffy's outfit during

(21:09):
her workout in the library pays homage to the original
nineteen ninety two movie poster where Christie Swanson is wearing
a green vest with purple leggings. Yeah. I don't remember
the purple the green vest, but I will.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Ideal about that. No, I see what they're saying. It's
like a little cropped it's like a cropped vest. Yeah.
There's the two posters. There's a cheerleader poster that's just
her leg. Yes, And there's the one with her and
and like whatever his name is, like peeking behind her. Yeah,
and that's the one that she's got the green and
the blue.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
Very cool. Great. And then this one, Okay, this one,
it's kind of a two parter, and go with me
on this journey. And if you knew this before and
you didn't tell me, I'm pissed out of my mind.
So the music that Buffy is exercising too, it quotes
a prominent guitar riff from Jesus Christ Superstar. It The

(22:04):
riff underscores the thirty nine lashes in the Trial of pilot,
you know the you know the.

Speaker 1 (22:09):
One Ponti's pilot.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Yeah, yeah, I didn't know how to say the word.
But you know, if you know Jesus Christ Superstar, you
know the Big thirty nine, you know the one, you
know the scene that I'm talking about. But this is
the part that got me. Judas originally played by Murray Head.
You know who Murray Head is?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Is that Anthony Stewart's.

Speaker 2 (22:31):
Dad, Anthony Stewart Head's older brother. No, I know this blue,
this blue my mind, that's Jesu.

Speaker 1 (22:44):
That's crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:46):
So they like, you know, I thought, I was like, wow,
I did not know.

Speaker 1 (22:53):
I'm looking at pictures of him right now. I can,
like kind to see the resemblance. I think it's the
resemblance enough. That's so wild.

Speaker 2 (23:02):
I know, I did not.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
I knew that Anthony Stewart had had done like some
singing and stage performance in the past. I did not
know that. Yeah his older brother did. I didn't even know. Yeah,
a brother, that's crazy.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
I know, we neither well, I mean, I don't know
about Anthony Stewart Heads's family, but like, what the hell.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Oh my gosh, he was in Chess Topical. You want
to talk about Bubby and Chess. Anthony said his older
brother was in chess first and foremost and second second most,
I know, and second and second most. The Chess Revival

(23:49):
about to open on Broadway. Starr and Glee's only a Michelle.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
Liam Michelle comes back to her.

Speaker 1 (23:53):
They're rewriting the entire book. And do you know who
is rewriting the book? Danny Strong, who plays Jonathan in
Buffy the Vampire Slayer. My god, I'm me Award winner
Jonathan Levinson himself.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
That's thrilling.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
Glee and Buffy are converging in that Chess Revival right now.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
They are. I love that. We gotta go see it.
And then my next and last slacked is Giles quotes Hamlet.
He says the rest is and all, and the rest
is silence, And that's Hamlet's last line from Hamlet. And
I just want us all to be a little more
brushed up on Hamlet than we are.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
Hell y'all.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
And let me tell you about some alternative titles. Okay,
so most all of them are some sort of dark past. Anyway,
I'll go, I'll go down the line because they're all
like kind of somewhere but a little different. Go all
the way down the line dark age, you know the vibes.

(25:04):
The French title is the Hidden Face, finish is the
Powers of Darkness. Okay mm hmmm, Polish Demons of the Past,
all right, and Spanish the Dark Years and in German

(25:25):
the Mark of Egonal. They did. And that's the thing
is they're not looking at what they're naming the episodes.
They're just kind of watching the episode and going, this
is what it should be called.

Speaker 1 (25:39):
I saw the tattoo that.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Oh my god, you don't like tatt girls, take me
off the rost or everyone's got tats in this episode. Hey, true,
you're an next year an next Okay, those are your slacks?
Those are your slacks.

Speaker 1 (25:55):
Wow, that was gorgeous jerseys. All right, that was to show.
That's wild.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I know.

Speaker 1 (26:11):
Famous is always crazier to me than famous parents, famous parents.
I'm like, yeah, that's why you're famous is because your
parents are famous, famous siblings. I'm always like, whoa, what's
going on. I mean, it's possible that they're their parents
are also famous and I just don't know.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
Oh, let me google.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
I'm looking it up right now. Murray, his dad was
a documentary filmmaker for variety verity film is part of me.
Oh and then their mom was an actor, so there
you go.

Speaker 2 (26:39):
Oh well there it is.

Speaker 1 (26:41):
We figured you out heads that and that's why they're
both actors is because what their parents are. I have
a recap. Can you believe?

Speaker 2 (26:56):
Oh my god, well, thank god, that was your job today?

Speaker 1 (26:58):
I know, and bring me. A thing about me is
that I love doing my job. Previously, I'm Buffy, the
vampire slayer Giles past comes back to haunt him. I Gone,
a possessor demon he summoned during his rebellious school days,
has returned and is going through Giles' former friend group
one by one. After attempting to claim Giles and his

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former friend and lover Ethan Rain remember him, I Gone
passes into the unconscious body of Jenny Calendar, with a
possessed Jenny after him, Ethan attempts to pass the demon
into Buffy in his place. Just before I Gone, Jenny

(27:41):
takes hold of Buffy. The Scoobies arrived with Angel, who
willingly takes on the demon and defeats it internally. I guess.
Ethan Rain runs off again, and a traumatized Jenny distances
herself from Giles, and that's the Dark Age's dark Age,
the dark Age.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Singular dark Age singular age.

Speaker 1 (28:02):
One age, and that age is twenty one. Famously, he
said it in the episode.

Speaker 2 (28:06):
Yeah, oh my god. How'd you feel about this episode?

Speaker 1 (28:09):
I liked it more on second watch. I do still
like this episode. I feel like we're coming off of
just like the one two punch of Halloween and Light.
To me, I agree that it's the highest, not as
high as those episodes, but I did still enjoy the episode.
I still think it was good. Yeah, and there's a

(28:31):
fun one. I always love learning backstory. I love flashing
out characters, so that's nice. And then I especially like
there's a very beautiful reversal of the Buffy Giles dynamic
in this episode. That is very special to me. And
I really really treasure over all the.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Over all though.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
I maybe I said enough, continue, what did you think?

Speaker 2 (29:01):
I agree? I honestly, I really especially that moment with
Buffy and Giles. I think that that is one of
my favorite things. Ever. I think it's a good Jenny episode.
I like seeing Jenny and Giles' relationship progress and regress
and regress. I could not find the regress word. Thank

(29:21):
you I was gonna say, degress, Hey, I don't know
that that's right. It's not right in regress, like, you know,
to watch that happen. I also love to see to
see mister showtime once more. I though, I agree, I
think the pacing of this episode is weird. Yeah, I

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think that Giles is obviously trying to keep everything from everyone,
But I think that that I think does a little
kind of a detriment to moving the story along because
I still don't know what's going on, you know what
I mean. I mean, so you know, up until like
ten minutes until the end, we really don't know what's happening.

(30:08):
And I mean, I don't think that that's necessarily a
bad thing, but I do think the pacing is interesting. Though.

Speaker 1 (30:14):
Yeah, I feel like I think this is an idea
that could be I think this is such a rich
idea that it could be a multi episode arc. And
I think it was to the disservice of the idea
to do to open and close it all in one episode.
The concept definitely we have like a little bit of

(30:37):
a hint in Halloween that Giles has a bit of
a dark past, and then for this revelation of during
his dark past. He and his friends got really into
a cult magic and accidentally summoned a demon without realizing
how powerful the demon was, and that demon killed her friend,
and then.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
As it follows and trying to get them.

Speaker 1 (30:57):
It's straight up it's it like penny Wise is back.
Some thing happen when we were kids, and now thirty
five years is past, and like something new is happening. Yeah,
and I think that's such a love I love this
secret from the past is coming back and it's biting
us all on the ass, Like I always think that
that's fun. But I agree with you. There's so much

(31:19):
going on, and like obviously Giles doesn't want to tell anyone,
and then like finding out the stuff about his past
is a big deal, so they're saving it for later
in the episode. But then because of that, all the
kind of demoning of it all. Yeah, it's just like
really quick and underwhelming. And then like, sincerely, what the
fuck happened with Angel? How did Angel beat the demon?

(31:42):
It is so uncles. He was like, well, since I
was a vampire, I know how to kill a demon
with my spirit.

Speaker 2 (31:50):
What He's like, well, I think he was like, I've
got a demon in me already, so.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Like his vampire demon like Winter to fisty cuffs with
I goon. I guess so it really I really was like, oh,
they had two pages left of the script and we're like,
we gotta wrap this thing up.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
No, it was silly, sly, silly, sily silly.

Speaker 1 (32:10):
Just why it should have at least been a two
episode arc.

Speaker 2 (32:13):
Come on, I agree? And also whatever I like, I
don't know, put it in a different vampire and have
them chop its head off like that, like Cordelia said.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
That was what was confusing to me is when Cordelia
was like, we could demons. It says here the demons
die by chopping their heads off, and someone suggested, well,
let's dig up a corpse, and then it was immediately
shot down as like oh and then he'll just live
happily a rafter in the corpse. No, you'll chop the
corpse's head off and the demon will die. Why is
that not.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Because they're trying to play this long game and trying
to make us like Angel more.

Speaker 1 (32:49):
I guess, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
It was very I also have to say it was
hashtagm clunky the the person has to be dead passed out,
Oh I liked that. Sorry, no, I was like, what
the hell because like that, to me just gives me
so many more questions, like can they be asleep?

Speaker 1 (33:10):
Yes, still can be asleep?

Speaker 2 (33:12):
Is that what it is?

Speaker 1 (33:13):
Giles says that to get when they first summoned the demon,
they summoned the demon to get high, and one of
them would go into a deep sleep, and then the
rest would summon the demon into their body. It's like
a your brain just has to be offline basically for
the demon to take over. So you just have to
be unconscious, whether that is like sleeping unconscious or like
unconscious unconscious, or whether you're fully dead and the brain

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is offline.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
When I was watching it, I was like, this is
hashtag mcclunkey. I'm glad that you liked it. I'm glad
because that's the thing. Is going into a deep sleep
to me says that they're they're doing magic drugs. They're
I don't know, well, I just have many questions about

(33:57):
what that means.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
Though, And in my mind, the demon was the I mean,
the demon is the metaphor for drugs. It's not like, yeah,
it's not like they were doing heroin, so that a
demon could possess them. It's no, the demon was the
heroin Like, this is a story of sure an addict
who has been clean for years and years and years,

(34:19):
but still like their addiction is still following them.

Speaker 2 (34:23):
And see when we bring it to that. I really
like this this episode, I think, especially as a metaphor,
especially you know, to have this guy who was buttoned up,
straight lace, you know, Jenny is like, gosh, you're so
like you're so easy to rile up, You're so straight laced,
You're so YadA YadA yadda, And every single episode he

(34:44):
is incredibly like a stick up is ass Giles. And
then to see him in this new way. You know.
That's the thing though, Like addiction affects so many people
and like people well that you know, you might not expect.
So I just I thought this was this was a
wonderful metaphor for like that kind of stuff coming back

(35:09):
into your life, Like, you know, I thought it was
wonderful in that way.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Yeah, I like My issue is that I feel like
it's truncated and that the way they defeat him is unclear.
I think the concept that I goon and that Igon
can only exist, can only exist and essentially like a
willing host, where like you have to have all your
defenses down for him to enter. I think that's really cool.

(35:40):
And then obviously the whole addiction metaphor I think works
really well. I think it makes a lot of sense
for Giles's character that he is so buttoned up and
straight laced because he's essentially combating against this tracker he
has in his arm that is going to bring the
demon back at some point and he just doesn't know when.

Speaker 2 (36:02):
That's also terrifying, Like you know, I think I feel
like every single episode, I'm like, this episode was so scary.
It was so scary. But I mean I think there
are these episodes have all been scary in different ways.
And have you seen it follows before?

Speaker 1 (36:18):
I have not.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
Oh, you definitely should, but that's the movie if you
want to put it on your list. It's so scary.
It's like this demon that passes from person to person
and I won't tell you how, but whatever, but like
you can it, Like.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
Isn't it you have sex?

Speaker 2 (36:35):
Yeah? Yeah, yeah, but I mean but I mean that's
not that's not important for right now. But I mean,
so the movie is so terrifying because the demon can't
like run, it just walks towards you, So it'll like
be a background character just walking towards the group and
you see it like a minute before it. Actually it's

(36:57):
so terrifying. But I mean all that to say that
this movie had this movie, this episode kind of has
that vibe where you know this demon is following them
and like you can run, you can hide, but it's
still walking straight towards you and obviously like it's gonna
possess your girlfriend and get you. But you know, I

(37:18):
feel I felt that, you know, that presence in the episode,
like one by one, it was coming for the screw
and I was. It was thrilling. I was, I was
honestly scared. Yeah, and I feel like all these episodes
have been scary in different ways, so don't get on
my butt about it. And that's the beauty of horror

(37:38):
is so many different kinds of things are scary.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
I like all of that. I just once again, I
wish it had been multiple episodes because like, yeah, I agree,
I don't give a shit about Philip. It really is
just like coming after it would. I just feel like
what makes that idea so effective? The slow burn of

(38:01):
it all and this episode just drops us in immediately
with like well three of them are already claimed and
it's just Ethan and Giles left, and that is like
we're now in the third act. Like we missed act.

Speaker 2 (38:11):
One actube we're now fully a third act.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
I just like, really, this episode, I don't think it's bad.
It just did not do it for me, like I
wish it had sure.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, hey, I hear that. I hear that, especially coming
off the Tale of.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Yeah Lie of Me, which I was like, this is
the greatest episode that's ever been made. No serious. I
do think the Jenny Giles stuff is really effective. I
think the Buffy Gile stuff is really effective. I think
that the stuff we learned about Giles is past is
really exciting. I think the Scooby investigative work is really fun.
I love seeing all of our normal Scoobies like banding

(38:48):
together to save the day. So there's still a lot
of great stuff.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
That scene in the library with them so much I
was like laughing my ass off, like a I think
Cordy has some amazing moments in this episode, but especially
she's like being like we should cut Jenny's head off
and then Xander going all right, I've had twelve years
of you and I finally snap. I don't know, I

(39:16):
really the way he said that, I was laughing. I
thought it was so funny.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
I loved that continuing to escalate cordeally getting up in
his face, them looking like they're about to kiss, but
then specifically Willow be like, Bully, you shut up. Like
I just liked we two episodes ago had the had
a Willow episode where she gained confidence. And this is
why I think the writing in Buffy is so strong,
is the writers are remembering that, Like we had the

(39:43):
episode where Willow had to be the leader of the
group and she now has this new found ability to
like tell people what to do. So to have Willow
be like she so actually yeah, She's like Giles is
gonna die, so you too need to shut up and
sit down.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
We are going to figure this out. No, I know.
I was proud of her. It was so I thought
that whole scene was so fun. I also the idea
of just those three being called to come do extra
What was that about, Jenny, I'm this to you. I

(40:17):
kept being like, oh, Also, I kept imagining, like what
if we're just not seeing there's another kid here like
tag yourself. I'm the kid in the class who's not
in the Scooby Gang but is struggling with my computer class.
And it's like, what are we talking about?

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Why you get talking about the librarian?

Speaker 2 (40:37):
What's going on? Like, I'm just here to learn about
Microsoft Paint. I don't know what they learn in computer
class and nineteen ninety seven, I don't know. I was
born knowing how to use a computer. I was also
thinking I was really born knowing how to use a computer,
and well I wasn't born, but you know, yeah, I

(40:58):
really didn't have to like learn how to use computers.
I just kind of knew I didn't have to take
a class.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
We had a computer that was sorry, I had a
computer class.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
Really yeah, well, I mean I learned how to use Excel.

Speaker 1 (41:11):
But yeah, we used it was all like Microsoft Office stuff.
They just like taught us all the Oh.

Speaker 2 (41:17):
I guess that's what they're doing here. They're also like,
I feel like Willow has talked a lot about learning
how to code.

Speaker 1 (41:23):
Yeah, I wasn't. They weren't teaching us that. That was
nice Space and neopads that were teaching us that.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
Of course, of course, people.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
On their tumblers were learning how to code.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Of course, yes, oh my god. But I seriously I
was like, I cannot believe that Jenny would do this.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I know, do this whole and the way that.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
Like, and then ditch immediately.

Speaker 1 (41:47):
She tells she first of all, like, doesn't inform Xander
that he has to go until the day before. Yeah, oh,
it's like, hey, Willow, are we still on for tomorrow?
Xander says, what for? Oh, she's helping me do a
computer class for the kids who are failing. By the way,
you have to be there nine am tomorrow. And then
we find out it's not like it's slipped her mind.

(42:08):
There's only two people and attendance, him and Cordelia. So
why on earth did she wait till the day before
to tell fifty percent of the kids who had to
be there that it was happening.

Speaker 2 (42:18):
I also was like, okay, Jenny, like, way to tell
an entire group of people that this kid is failing
your class, Like she.

Speaker 1 (42:25):
Said, hear ye, hear ye, here san her has needs
help with computers.

Speaker 2 (42:34):
He basically has detection. Everyone lesson. I seriously was pissed.
I hated when teachers used to do that to me.
I mean, they didn't do this like fucking get a
fucking bell and call out, call me out, like the
town cry.

Speaker 1 (42:51):
The hallway go. I have a beg with a big
ass scrawl. I got a big announcement.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
Grabs an apple box from the stands up on it.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
On this day, November the tenth, nineteen ninety seven, Xander
Harris has been found with a C minus in my
computer class.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
And then it cuts to him and he's his head
and his hands in the stocks. We get to throw
tomatoes at him as we go to homeroom.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
It will be in the stocks until nine am tomorrow
when he has Saturday school for my computer class that
he is not doing well in.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Now everyone with me, Now, everyone laugh dumb. It is dumb. Seriously,
That's how I fucking felt. Oh my god. Also, yes,
Cordelia Chase neurodiversion autistic confirmed. She said, I hate going

(44:00):
to class on Saturday. It throws off my internal clock.
And I said, girl, I hear you, I see you.
I am you.

Speaker 1 (44:06):
Hey hey hey hey.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
But also Cordelia failing class. I want her to do well,
isn't in the stocks with Sander.

Speaker 1 (44:19):
She also says, I hate that people are always yelling
my name. I know what's going on. I can take
a hint. What's the hint?

Speaker 2 (44:27):
I loved that part so much.

Speaker 1 (44:30):
Mm hmm, which a tisa queen. I also want to
shout out in that speaking of authority figures bad. Being
a thirty figures the police is sniffing around because mister
British Paul Phillip whatever his name was, was found dead
on campus the night before, which cool, this is what

(44:52):
the cop should be doing. But how many kids have
died and this is the first time that the cops
are like, we're looking deeper into this.

Speaker 2 (45:05):
This adult man die like not an adult man.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Are dying every week and y'all never show up.

Speaker 2 (45:15):
I can't find it in myself to investigate. I don't
have the time. No, the man, say it with me.

Speaker 1 (45:25):
Are we doing all sunny.

Speaker 2 (45:28):
Snail? Cops are dumb asses sat a scata, But also
it's nefarious here. I think they're also just bastards.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Yeah. I think it's like a like a the Greater
conspiracy going on, the gang related PCP. Whenever the teens
are dying, they're like, oh my gosh, this is a
vampire situation. We have to look the other way. But
this I have I gone stuff. They were like, no,
this is this is from the UK, this is across

(46:00):
the pond that we're not in with that. That's a
little bullshit. We want it out.

Speaker 2 (46:04):
Of our I can't cover that up.

Speaker 1 (46:06):
I need seriously, we want that off our American soil.
Get your English demon out of here. We actually are investigating,
are going to put a stop to this. But Britta
are coming their demons, fucking Igon Team Crumpet ass famously

(46:28):
an Italian demon. Also, he's uh trust is that what
she says?

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Trustin? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, so actually more Italian, but he was summoned in Oxford.

Speaker 2 (46:44):
Can we talk about my Jenny? Yes, thank you. I
really wanted to so obviously we knew it. Jenny says,
I like to watch you squirm, and I just I
all this to say. This woman doms this man, oh

(47:05):
co It's the dom sub relationship. And I'm just so
I'm just so pleased, and I'm just so excited, and
I just love it so much. I think I don't
know how other people feel about this relationship. But every
time they flirt, I giggle and kick my feet and
clasp my hands under my chin and go. I just

(47:26):
love them so much. I think that all the flirting
they do, like obviously it's like silly, but I love it.
I just think that these two are so fun and
I love their relationship so much. And when they kissed,
I cheered, I said give me thank God, And I
loved it so much. How do you feel about them?

Speaker 1 (47:45):
I loved it a calendar saying the horniest things possible
in the middle of passing period. Last week, Rupert saying
I'll put myself in your hands, and her saying sounds fun.
Then this week saying Saturday night, I'll see if I
can make you squirm. Girl, Like what is she? And
I love Rupert and Jenny because it's very opposite attract Yeah,

(48:10):
and it is not like Jenny's just trying to get
Rupert or loosen up, like he's such a stick of
them Bud. She hates it, like yes, obviously she does,
like taking a monster truck rallies, like trying to get
try to get him to try new things. But she
is not attracted to this idea of Rupert where he's
an easygoing guy. She's attracted to fuddy Duddy Rupert and like, yes,

(48:34):
occasionally he does frustrate her, but like she is, as
she says, you're kind of a sexy fuddy duddy, like
she loves the fact that he is so buttoned up. Yeah,
and I really I I'm a big fan of these two.
I love their relationship up to this point. Unfortunately, by
the end of this episode they are not on great terms.

Speaker 2 (49:01):
Oh my god, that was so devastating to watch this
go down, But I mean I appreciated it though as
like a person who has like you know, interacts with
other people, and also like as a watcher of the
television show, because like I love this metaphor of you know,

(49:23):
jobs's crazy days coming back to like haunt him and
how that can affect his loved ones, like it's going
to you know, and you know, he can run from
his past all he wants, but sometimes things come back
to bite you. And also like that is going to

(49:46):
affect the people who love you, and oh my god,
to like you know, like Jenny, like I cannot imagine
like being possessed in like like what is it, Like
is it like more than a day or is it
like just an evening? I like can't I can't tell, Timeline.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
I think it's all that Saturday.

Speaker 2 (50:06):
Okay, okay, okay, got it. You know, but like her
body becomes not her own. She's like taken over by
this thing that it's specifically Giles's fault. Like her she
becomes like not autonomous anymore. It probably like feels so
fucking terrible to be possessed like this, and it's all
Giles's fault, And how do you care and love for

(50:28):
this person as much as she does and also reconcile
with that awful thing that just happened to me? Is
all their fault And like maybe they didn't mean it,
maybe YadA YadA, YadA, but like how do you how
do you continue loving someone who made you feel that

(50:51):
way indirectly or directly?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:54):
I just thought it was very rich and very interesting.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Yeah, I agree. I was wondering when she is possessed.
I was like, because Giles talks about in his college
days that like the reason they would summonn Eygon is
because it gave them this like euphoria of this like
power high and it was essentially like a drug and

(51:19):
they would all get high and then like it went
too far. And so I was wondering when she gets
possessed by egon for the entire day. If it was
like if someone were too drug you, you know, if someone
were to like slip something into your drink, and it
is this like weird, You're like rolling and being like, well,
what's going on? Yeah, and then when you get your
senses back, it's like, okay, So actually actually that was awful. Yeah,

(51:42):
my autonomy was stripped for me and I was put
in a very vulnerable position and I did not agree
to any of that. Yeah, it is like a Giles
obviously accidentally essentially like slipped or something.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (51:58):
I really like the final scene. I like that Jenny
is not like I can't believe you did this, and
she's also not like Rupert, It's okay, it was so
long ago. She is, frankly, exactly like most people would
be in that situation where she's like he talks about
how sorry she is, and she's like, I know, and

(52:19):
he says like I wish there was anything I could
do to help you, and she's like I know, yeah,
and is just cannot be around him, has not fully
processed her feelings, and for the time being, there is
absolutely nothing that he could do or say that is
going to change things. She just needs time to process
her feelings. And then I also love that Buffy and

(52:43):
Giles exchange where he says to Buffy, I don't think
she will ever forgive me, and Buffy says, maybe not,
but you should one. I love the mentor mentee kind
of like switch that happens there. I think is very tender.
But then also it is so true, like you said,

(53:06):
if you have these dark things in your past, like
they potentially will rear their head again in the present
and it can harm your loved ones, and like that
is just the reality of the situation, and like your
loved ones are going to process that how they process it,
and sometimes it will drive them out of your life.
But then also like Rupert has done everything he can

(53:29):
to put his life back in order. So while there's
nothing he can do to make Jenny get over this,
nor should he force her to get over this. Yeah,
of course, also like is doing everything he can to
not be that person anymore, and he does need to
forgive himself for something he did twenty years.

Speaker 2 (53:45):
Ago, exactly I and he didn't mean for this to happen. Yeah,
to Jenny, like he loves and cares for her very deeply,
and she can process in her own time, but in
the meantime, there is no reason for him to beat
himself up. That's not gonna help anyone. And I thought
that scene was so wonderful.

Speaker 1 (54:07):
And then oh, my goodness, it's so good. He says something. Well,
Buffy is talking to him about, you know, the experience
of that Saturday, and says, I was so used to
you being a grown up, and then I found out
you're a person, which I feel like is kind of
the moral of the episode. Yeah, of your your parents,

(54:28):
and your mentor figures. All are fallible human beings who
have mistakes in pasts. And then for Rupert to talk
about himself and be like, I was so foolish and
I was so short sighted. I was this and I
was that. And then Buffy's response is, after all this time,
it looks like we do have something in common. And
I one like, think that's very cute. But then also

(54:50):
we know that Giles loves Buffy so much, like he
gets frustrated with her, she's a pain in his ass,
but like, overall, he loves and cares about her so
much and does think so highly of her. And I
think that moment for Buffy is very mature, because it

(55:13):
is recognizing, like Giles can see in me, that I
am foolish and short sighted and yet still worthy of
love and worthy of forgiveness and still capable of so
much good. And so if I help him see that
we are one and the same, maybe he will grant
that same grace to himself. Oh I love that scene.

(55:36):
Oh my gosh.

Speaker 2 (55:37):
How many times in my life have I made a
mistake and I can't let myself get past it, And
it's like, girl, this is helping no one. Yeah, this
is helping no one. Like you make mistakes in your life,
You're gonna mess up the forgive yourself, make it right,
move on.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, and then for you to then undercut the tension
by being like, hey, so actually I'm gonna go exercise
again if you want to make fun of my music
some more Like I just it's such a beautiful, perfect
little scene. I love these two so much. Oh, it's
very good.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
It's very good the father daughter pair of the Millennia series. Sorry, no,
I love them so much, and like, you know, these
two are such an unlikely duo, I feel like, but
then seeing where they like, She's like she said, like
finding their common ground. Like god, it was so gorgeous.

(56:40):
I think that was like the shining part of this
whole episode for me. You know, I wish I had
more of in this episode what Ethan Rain?

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Hey?

Speaker 2 (56:51):
You know what though? You know what though, when Giles
grabs them by the hair, like what did that give
you a tingle? Just getting don't ance that? I mean,
you can't have you one, No, I just I mean
like that part was thrilling. But I mean the Ethan

(57:12):
Rain in Halloween is so interesting, Like, who the hell
is this guy? He's says showtime, He's turning the town
into into monsters, Like what the fuck is going on?
Like this bringer of chaos for seemingly no reason. And
of course he like gives Buffy a tattoo against her will.
That sucks, but like where's the fun, where's the drama?

(57:34):
Where's the theatrics?

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I didn't mind it personally, m I see what you're saying.
Ethan is fun because Ethan is a chaos bringer. Yeah,
and that's very exciting, and that is like largely his
role on this show is He's gonna come and he's
gonna bring chaos. However, one I like this lay of yes,

(58:01):
Ethon is a chaos bringer. Ethan is a chaos bringer,
but at his core he's a self preservationist and he
is going to do anything, like he's gonna fuck over
everyone else, but he will do what it takes to
save himself. And at the end of the day, he's
a coward. Like he might be all high and mighty
about like I worship chaos, but also he is going
to kill a sixteen year old girl so that he

(58:23):
can survive. Yeah, and I do think last we met Ethan,
he and Giles clearly had a past and we know
nothing about it. I do think it's important to establish
what that past is, And so I didn't I didn't
mind this episode, Like, yes, he was much less fun,
but I really enjoyed learning all this stuff about their

(58:45):
Oxford cult and how they knew each other, and that Ethan,
under all the showmanship in Bravado, is just a selfish,
cowardly asshole.

Speaker 2 (58:55):
Yeah. I had a tough time listening to you because
I've just so I just love you so much. I
I just felt overwhelmed with how much I love you.
I don't know. I just saw you and I was like,
I can't believe we're doing this, and we've been doing
this for so long together, and I couldn't. I just
love you. Do this together so fun, it's very fun.

(59:20):
I love you. No, yeah, what'd you say?

Speaker 1 (59:27):
We're just like.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I listened, yeah, yeah, but I wasn't listening very well
because I love you so much.

Speaker 1 (59:40):
The longest short of it is, I think the backstory
was necessary. It was necessary to give us an episode
of the exposition, and also, I like words and Halloween.
It's like, Ethan is this badass chaos maker and Rupert's
old button up stick in the mud, and then we
see him kickian'sasen. That's exciting. But then in this episode

(01:00:02):
it's like, actually, when push comes to shove, Ethan's a
huge coward who will push other people in front of
him so that he can survive, whereas Rupert is going
to like lay his life on the line literally at
the end, when the demon is going into Buffy, Rupert
is like, no, I'm the one you want to go
into me. Like at the end of the day, Rupert
may be buttoned up and Ethan maybe like mister cool guy,

(01:00:23):
but Ethan is a little rat faced coward and Rupert
has integrity and will sacrifice himself to say the people
he loves I love that, Hey, I.

Speaker 2 (01:00:33):
Love you, they love you too. No, that's a good thought.
That's a good thought, especially like you know, it's so
nice too to see this. This arc of Giles is
too because he's like running from Buffy, like he won't
talk to her. He won't like you know, he's like
not answering the phone, he's not talking to Jenny. He
is like full of shame, he won't tell her anything.

(01:00:56):
And then in the end for him to be the
one too who's like ready to I don't know, I
don't know that that's a progression in the way that
I'm thinking, but you know, to like be willing to
sacrifice himself and be willing to be that brave. I
thought that was lovely.

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 2 (01:01:11):
And you are to run from his problems. Yeah sure, it's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:16):
Also like tailors a less I agree. Yeah, he didn't
run from his problems in front of them head on,
and it's it's tailors a less time of your kid
and mister rebel who plays by his own rules. You're like,
this guy seems cool as shit and mister like buttoned
up by the book. You're like that guy's a huge loser. Yeah,
And obviously everyone is different, but that knowledge of like,

(01:01:41):
just because someone looks cool doesn't mean that they're not
a little like scaredy cat, selfish loser. And just because
someone is very responsible and buy the book doesn't mean
that they aren't extremely brave and have a lot of integrity.
You're right, Yeah, So I like that the realizing that

(01:02:01):
Giles is both flawed and has made mistakes, and that
also he is a badass.

Speaker 2 (01:02:09):
God. I love that Giles.

Speaker 1 (01:02:11):
He's great.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I love that Giles too, And I mean, like, you know,
obviously he has been this like father figure in our
television show, and he's like shown like some flaws, especially
like he like sometimes isn't taking Buffy to very as
seriously as she needs to be taken, Like, you know,
he definitely has room to grow. But he is kind of,

(01:02:35):
you know, kind of our moral high ground on this show,
like someone to look to, like someone who's guiding the
audience and Buffy. And then to see this new side
of him I thought was I thought was very interesting,
and then it all culminating in Buffy being the one
to be like it's okay forgive yourself God, I love that.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I agree it's very good.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I love ethan Raine trying to run away and then
Cordelia kicking him the sins and him like falling down
what the happened?

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
Obsessed with that, especially because when he first runs, Xander
tries to stop him. Yeah, and he easily throws Xander
off over the counter and then Cordelia just knees him
in the balls that he falls to the ground.

Speaker 2 (01:03:21):
I was amazing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
I love that moment.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Honestly, I did really enjoy like kind of the revolving
door chaos of everyone in the library, like even like
zombie friend. I was like it was giving like revolving
door comedy in a fun, exciting way. I was excited.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
I also was open and slam door farcet but zombie
is trying to kill them.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
And then Jenny passing out like I've seen this film before.
I also there's that part where what what's his name?
I can find this out.

Speaker 1 (01:04:01):
I think it's Philip the zombie guy.

Speaker 2 (01:04:05):
Zombie guy.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Yeah, I think it's Philip.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
I'd love to confirm Philip, Philip Henry, Philip Henry is
his name. When Philip is like becomes zombie and he
like jumps out of the the crypt or what you know,
he's the feeling the morgue. Yeah, and I swear you
almost see his wiener. I swear you almost see his wiener.

(01:04:29):
You Like, I was scared, Like I know that they're
not gonna show me real life wiener on the w B,
like the camera angle like I don't know, like they
want you to know he's naked. It's weary, my really scary.

(01:04:52):
I don't show me a swiener. Oh my god. It
terrified me. It terrified me.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
My thoughts with Philip are once again, I'm disappointed that
this feels like act three of the horror movie and
it's the beginning of the episode because like no one
we care about dies. It makes it a lot less scary.
Not that I want Ethan or child to die, but
if we had met fill up prior to him getting possessed.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Also, Philip's first line in this entire episode, which is
the second line of the episode, is such obvious. Adr
it took me out of it, and he's like, Rupert Giles,
I need to see him. It is just like it
sounds nothing like what the other actor in the scene
sounds like. And then miss Dedra, Miss Zombie Dedra, member

(01:05:43):
of the Oxford Cult. She shows up, she attacks him,
she falls to the ground. She turns into goo. The
goo enters his body when she falls to the ground.
I did notice they have done so much zombie makeup
on Dedre's face. Legs regularl regular old human lady.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
Legs, no human lady legs. I did that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
I was like, at least fun tight.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
Oh my god, my god, I hate that.

Speaker 1 (01:06:12):
I mean, maybe they were because it is dark, so
maybe they're like beige thick nylons.

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
I don't know, but at me, she is like rotting. Yeah,
you should be able to see through it. I agree.
A Vericos Vayner too got for me. Yes, come on,
we're her Vericos is uh, oh my god. I didn't
notice that at all, but I hate that. Put her
in pants for Fox's sake. Lame Lame is also like,

(01:06:39):
have some fun, give her some funky tight. She's crazy.

Speaker 1 (01:06:43):
You know she's studied the occult in college. I know
she's got a fun streak in her. I also I
know she's quirky.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
Listen, so this demon I have questions. This is a
question hour Lena's not understanding the episode hour Welcome. I
always I'm always here. What the hell? So this happened
when they were twenty one? Yeah, but the demon's finally
coming for them.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, I don't know why the demon, Like, there's no
explanation as to why the demon waited so long?

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Yeah why now why the sperm? Why now? Why Sunnydale High?

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
I agree, miss miscannantcer, I think you just won your case.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
Period, because that's the thing is. Now three of them
are here right now in nineteen this year of nineteen
ninety seven.

Speaker 1 (01:07:26):
Because I think the deal is d DR was there,
but Deirdre got infected. Ye, So Philip was like, oh fuck,
I have to go find I imagine Ethan is off
the map. I imagine Ethan is like, no one knows
where he is, and so he's like, I gotta go
find Rupert. So he went across the pond. Miss Deirdre
followed his ass, and that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:47):
Another question, another question. Did this zombie get on a plane,
a boat?

Speaker 1 (01:07:54):
Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, hell yeah. He throwed up a
plane and an automobile. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:08:04):
I got shipped to do baby God like, I mean
the paper.

Speaker 1 (01:08:09):
So the reason that plane, the reason that Philip looked
nasty immediately. Is because he fully was dead.

Speaker 2 (01:08:17):
He was dead. Yeah, so deerdro might not have been dead.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
Yes, because Jenny is just unconscious, and Jenny looks like
Jenny until I gone is like, okay, I'm gonna reveal myself, but.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
She looks just like her. Oh, so she was incognito
on the plane.

Speaker 1 (01:08:32):
So I wonder if it was just deer draw. And
then they landed at L A X and was like,
and now let me do something here.

Speaker 2 (01:08:37):
Well, at least I gone has some has.

Speaker 1 (01:08:39):
Some decorum, so I can't I can't be flesh in
business class, I don't think.

Speaker 2 (01:08:46):
So it's also like, you know, Jenny goes back to
being non rotting flesh immediately. Yeah, So is it us
magic or is that like are they like fusing together?

Speaker 1 (01:09:04):
What do you mean?

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
Well, what do I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:09:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:09:07):
I'm just asking questions for fun. That's the So Deirdra
is rotted because that's the demon or the demon has.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Like I think the demon has been in her for
so long that it's eating away her body.

Speaker 2 (01:09:22):
Okay, and then this is my question, though, Jenny goes
back to.

Speaker 1 (01:09:30):
Normal, but she's never rotting. She is a demon face,
So I think that's the demon being like, hey, fucking Giles,
remember me, buddy rotting Oh, I think she just looks
like a demon.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Well, she definitely looks spooky, oooky, dooky.

Speaker 1 (01:09:45):
Yeah, but she doesn't have nothing, nothing is rotting off.
She just like her foreheads bigger, she's got like some
the spots aren't like skin spots, they are like many
horns on her forehead.

Speaker 2 (01:09:57):
Huh.

Speaker 1 (01:09:58):
And then she's got funky eyes.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Okay, funky eyes. She definitely looks scary.

Speaker 1 (01:10:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:02):
And also that was not Rubia Scott.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Do you think I was wondering that.

Speaker 2 (01:10:09):
I actually don't. I don't think so I was. I
think obviously the first one was her, but I think,
like the fight scene, it must have just been like
her her stunt double.

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Remember how badly the demon wanted to fuck Giles, Well,
I mean they had.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
Well, I mean, you do some drugs in college, you
fuck a demon or two?

Speaker 1 (01:10:32):
I mean yeah, I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:10:35):
And also, hey, no, seriously, she and I wonder because
obviously this is their big plan for the weekend, and
the wrench was thrown in. A wrench was thrown in
the plan via Jenny Calendar getting a concussion, But the
plan was this is their big their big sex capaid weekends.

Speaker 1 (01:10:57):
Yeah, it's bang Fest nineteen eighty seven.

Speaker 2 (01:11:00):
So I wonder if like this is just a bonus
that Jenny already feels this way, or if it's like
kind of a combination of their two feelings.

Speaker 1 (01:11:10):
Oh, you're wondering if like Igon is feeding off of
the way that Jenny already feels, or maybe it's just
a bonus. Yeah, I I understand what you're saying. I
got the vibe that I was just trying to toys Jeniles.
I love that's like demon's gotta eat sister. I got needs.

(01:11:33):
I'm gonna kill you later, but first I got I
got an inch to scratch.

Speaker 2 (01:11:37):
Hey, I mean, and god knows they probably have. I mean,
if they're like if these five weirdos I've read like
a Dark Academia book or two in my day, will
they're all having sex and weird ways, it's fair.

Speaker 1 (01:11:51):
Hillia says that the Etruscans like what they would do
is summon Igon to possess them for orgies. I think
he's a bit of a horned dog.

Speaker 2 (01:12:01):
Oh yeah, yeah, and there he's just lucky that so
is Jenny.

Speaker 1 (01:12:08):
Yeah, Hey, shout out shout out, what other thoughts do
we have about this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:12:19):
I am enjoying this conversation because I feel like we're
asking questions, We're asking enough questions.

Speaker 1 (01:12:27):
Yeah, well, that's actually a complaint I have about this
episode is the Egon stuff is just like never discussed again,
which hear me out. I don't like need Egon to
come back, but I just think this is such a
ripe well of ideas and we do, sorry spoiler alert everyone,

(01:12:47):
we do see Ethan Rain again. He's coming back, but
like not only obviously, like Philip is dead and Deirdre's
Deirdre is dead and Russell died like back in the day,
but like those three are not even mentioned again, And
I just feel like it could have been fun to expand,
like Giles Folly was in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:10):
A like.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Druggy rebel occult magic group. I think that's so fascinating
fat And yes, Giles having a rebel past is not
dropped at all, but I just feel like there's so
much we could have done with that and expanding the
dynamics of that group and who all these people were,
and especially like Giles witnessing one of his closest friends

(01:13:37):
die in front of him kind of at his own
hand at such a young age, would be so pivotal.
It's very like it's very Xander staking Jesse, and then
Jesse never being mentioned again. I'm like, that's what I
would stay with you forever and we never talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:13:56):
I can't like he killed his best friend.

Speaker 1 (01:13:59):
Yeah, my god.

Speaker 2 (01:14:01):
I also I'm just thinking about this in The Witch
and maybe this was a like I can God knows,
we can probably explain away anything because we're having fun
here and this is just for Selinas. Like Giles says
he's never cast before.

Speaker 1 (01:14:19):
That's true, a liar seeing And when we had Aaron
on the podcast and Aaron said, does Giles know magic?
And I started to be like, he does, but then
you correctly said that in The Witch he says he's
never cast before. But I've always assumed that was bullshit
because I was like, I know your past, dude, and
you have cast magic before.

Speaker 2 (01:14:39):
Yeah, and of course we know that, But I mean, like, yeah,
is he lying canonically up to that point?

Speaker 1 (01:14:44):
And I wonder if he if it's like in the
Buffy verse, they're separate things where like oh sure, like
rich and a spell are different and he has like
done a rich before.

Speaker 2 (01:15:01):
Yeah, yeah, because he's not saying like Alec exam.

Speaker 1 (01:15:05):
Yeah, he's saying whereas in in which he like has
a spell book and is like I read these words
and this spell happens. Whereas I imagine the ritual is like, uh,
the group of us, we all get to circle and
we do like some sort of chant and we have
like these ingredients. And I think they are are sisters,

(01:15:28):
not twins.

Speaker 2 (01:15:30):
Yeah, okay, I hear that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:34):
I hear that, And rituals are sisters, not twins.

Speaker 2 (01:15:37):
Twins, They're related, not twins. I love that, honestly, I
love that.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Then, But I think the real answer is that they
had not. They were just going to come up with
this backstory for Giles at during episode three of this show.

Speaker 2 (01:15:50):
Yeah, yeah, I wish they did. No, I'm just kidding.
Come on, come on, you don't have every every minute
of this show worked out day one.

Speaker 1 (01:15:58):
You didn't have seven seasons land out on your third
week on set.

Speaker 2 (01:16:02):
Come on, come on, step up your pussies agree? Can
I also say Ethan Rain Ethan Rain picking a cunty
spot for Buffy's tattoo.

Speaker 1 (01:16:12):
Yes, he was like death, but you're gonna fly.

Speaker 2 (01:16:19):
Back of the neck kind of cool. It's also like,
in my mind, very nineties to have like a back
of the neck tattoo. So I'm like and honestly and
I'm we can explain away anything. They probably just didn't
want to, like they could cover it with capos. Yeah yeah,
And like, also, they don't have to like canonically have

(01:16:40):
her have like an arm tattoo, even though she says
she's getting it removed, Like, but I just don't have
to it. Oh my god, to remove a tattoo, it
takes a long time, but even still a county spot
ethan rain, My god, I was thrilled.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
I also take Umberge with the fact that it was
so easy for him to knock Buffy out. He didn't
even hit her on the head. If you'd hit her
on the head, I would be more forgiving. He hit
her in the shoulder, and Miss Superpowers is out cold.
I don't think so.

Speaker 2 (01:17:10):
Yeah right, No, she just wanted a tattoo. She's like,
tattoo for free. I'm in Oh my god, I've done worsts.
I'm done worse press. Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:17:25):
Also, so did Angel like kill I gone? Like I gone?

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
Is literally I don't gone because gone, Gone, Gone.

Speaker 1 (01:17:39):
You think that Giles would be like, Okay, let me
like cut this pound of flesh off my arm that
has the tattoo on it so that he doesn't come
back in twenty more years. Oh but like if I
gone this this demon that has been around for centuries
and has been tormenting Giles since he was twenty one,
if he literally could be feed by just like spending

(01:18:02):
an hour in the asylum where they raised an angel.

Speaker 2 (01:18:06):
Listen, he's never been a vampire before. That's so stupid,
it's really dumb. He gets within just like a few
like a like a foot of a vampire and then
jumps to a vampire. He hasn't done that before. What
the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
And I'll tell you something about this show. This show
has a really great writing and they know how to
make an exciting villain. They don't always know how to
defeat an exciting villain, like last week where Buffy was
just like literally walked behind Drew touched her shoulder, and
the vampires were like, okay you in Like they write

(01:18:43):
themselves into corners constantly where they're like, what the hell
did we do here?

Speaker 2 (01:18:47):
And when it was like such a good thought because
I feel like we've seen this over and over and
over where they have these huge, badass villains and defeated
it in seconds, in seconds by fucking angel girl. I
don't fucking okay. Also, we talk about angels. Kung fu
in this episode.

Speaker 1 (01:19:10):
Didn't come from He does like a tour and then
a round house kicks the.

Speaker 2 (01:19:14):
Guy and then the guy goes. It's spinning, spinning down.
It's crazy, also crazy, what a crazy place to put this.
You know you couldn't win this out faster dark age.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
These vampires aren't even interested in killing someone. They're just
trying to get prepackaged blood.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
And this is when you're out your round house the
same thing you freako seriously, oh my god, the same ship.
I've seen your fridge. Oh honestly, telling on yourself. Tell
that's exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:19:53):
That's the reason he pulled out all the tricks, is
he said, bitches, this is my meels on wheels, stay away,
go kill a person. Some of us have to drink
this stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
Like have you heard of a conscience? Sure you haven't,
your little button.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
It's like it's like when you're a vegetarian and you
go and someone's eating the entire salad bar and you're like,
I'm sorry, you actually have other options.

Speaker 2 (01:20:20):
Okay, And now you're speaking to me. You would do
a cake flip, you would. I went to a poc
look the other day where they had cheese and giladas
and they had like beef tiqitos, and everyone got like
two of each, and then there was only one cheese
and chilada left, and I was like, you motherfuckers, one

(01:20:42):
of you better give up your cheese and chilada for
the vegetarian in here my ass. So I literally was like,
who's giving one up? Like you guys don't all get
four things and I get one thing. The cheese was
for me.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Good for you.

Speaker 2 (01:20:58):
And you know what, Angel, I guess I see you,
I hear you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:02):
And he was right to do that kickflip.

Speaker 2 (01:21:04):
I seriously lost my mind watching him kickflip. That. What
a funny episode to debut a kickflip.

Speaker 1 (01:21:11):
It was crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:12):
It was crazy. I saw something where the show runner,
Joss like said that he didn't want Angel to be
a fighter, But I don't know why they chose to
debut with this episode. I didn't look further.

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
They just they were like, I mean, at this point,
let's have some fun, he might as well. Whatever we've
done this brooding thing for nineteen episodes, we're kind of
over it, honestly. Around house in.

Speaker 2 (01:21:37):
There, my god, it was so crazy. All right, all right,
that's the darts all my thought. Yeah, shout out an app.
I was having fun.

Speaker 1 (01:21:52):
Yeah, an episode of untapped potential, I think, which is
my biggest gripe with it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:57):
I agree, But would you say this is your worst part?
Or should we do the kill count first before we
get into that.

Speaker 1 (01:22:04):
We didn't even do a kill count last week. I really,
I just like, don't believe in the kill count. That's
a lie. I just always forget that it's the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:22:10):
I was like, oh my god, really no, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:22:12):
I think it's very fun. I just always as it
fully leaves my mind every time we're wrapping up.

Speaker 2 (01:22:20):
No, I hear you. I also think I would potentially
like to add somebody to the kill count, like Buffy's
kill count, like we're dying. Yes, girl, I know I
can go through. We got nineteen. I know you're the
keeper the I know you're the keeper of the keys.
I know you're the keeper of the keys. Let me
tell you who dies? Okay, obviously, Philip Henry strangled by

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e Gone outside of the Sunday Dal Library.

Speaker 1 (01:22:46):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (01:22:48):
Is this list on Buffy wiki does not include Dedra? Yeah?
Is it? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:22:53):
Yeah, we're supposed to believe that she was already dead,
that's what she's being out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Hey, so we can includ or we don't have to.
We also have two vampires staked by Buffy outside of
the hospital and Roundhouse kicked in the fucking face by
Angel and then Randall killed and possessed by Icon.

Speaker 1 (01:23:14):
God, we're not counting Randall if if we're Randy years ago?

Speaker 2 (01:23:22):
Should I? I'm going to go into Buffy Wicki and
see if I can fix this. No, that's crazy. I
wants to sign this lady that we saw the drop
in the opening scene.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
No, but this man we never even see and gets
talked about in the past tens put him on the list.

Speaker 2 (01:23:38):
Icon's not on this. So does are we led to
believe that Igon is living in angel.

Speaker 1 (01:23:47):
Or as he did too and demon angels just punching
him down?

Speaker 2 (01:23:51):
What do you think? Because we could include him, Buffy
Wicki does not.

Speaker 1 (01:23:56):
I got the vibe that Igon died because Giles isn't
concerned about his to anymore.

Speaker 2 (01:24:02):
I got that. I got that impression as well. Yeah,
I was thinking that the demon in angel Ate. I gone, yeah,
I mean to take the kill count from last week
as well as that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:14):
I'm writing that. That's why I'm being unresponsive is because
I'm writing he right now, I'm I am not counting
Trusales Bird much love. Okay, so lie to me kill count.
Of course, we got the vampire that Buffy steaks, that
Ford oversees and it's like, girl, I knew you were

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the slayer already. Then we have Miss Diva, vamp's friend
that she's at sunny Dale High with that Buffy kills
when Ford lets Miss Diva go, God bless she's not
on this kill count. And then finally we got Billy Ford,
both human and vampire. So that's four deaths en Lie

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to me, and that is four death in the Dark
Ages if we are are counting Igon and not counting Deirdre.

Speaker 2 (01:25:05):
Let's do it the worst part.

Speaker 1 (01:25:11):
Okay, what was your worst part of this episode?

Speaker 2 (01:25:15):
My worst part of this episode?

Speaker 1 (01:25:17):
Damn.

Speaker 2 (01:25:18):
I think I just think the pacing was a little funny.
I just think this episode, uh was, you know, definitely
trying to be scary in the way that especially it's
trying to keep stuff from you. But I just think
that that kind of messed with the flow of what
was going on personally. So, I mean, and so especially

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like in the middle where I'm like, you know, Giles
is like drunk for twenty minutes of the episode, I'm like, Okay,
what the hell is going on here? But yeah, that's
probably my worst part, although I you know, I didn't
enjoy this episode. Ian your worst part.

Speaker 1 (01:25:55):
How did Angels defeat Igon and his Igon dead?

Speaker 2 (01:25:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:25:58):
What the hell? I do think they have a massive
issue of not knowing how to defeat villains on the
show sometimes. And I feel like this episode was truncated
and it could it would have benefited from more room
to breathe.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
Yeah, and especially like you know, they had they had
Ethan Rain in Halloween. I feel like they could have.
They could have been dropping hints. They could have made
this episode like you know, like I know, like a
multi episode thing.

Speaker 1 (01:26:32):
Yeah, I don't want it to bleed into Halloween personally,
but I'm pro like, have this be a two parter.
Just may have there be a second part. But I
mean we did meet Ethan Rain. Yeah, But I personally
like we meet Ethan Rain, but don't know how Giles
knows him.

Speaker 2 (01:26:51):
You just wish this episode is two parts? Yes, yeah,
of course, yeah, you got it.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
What's your best part?

Speaker 2 (01:26:58):
I think my best part is probably the scene with
no I know that you're gonna say this, so I'm
going to take my other favorite scene. I love the scene.
I love watching the Scoobies research together. I thought that
was so fun and thrilling. I was, you know, I
thought Leanna was making me laugh. Cordelia is so darling

(01:27:20):
in this episode. I really love her. She was making
me laugh. And then I loved Willow being the mom
of this friend Broute group and being like focus up bitches,
and I loved that. That was really fun to me. Ian.
Your best part, uh.

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
The final Buffy and Jel scene. Gorgeous, beautiful. I love
the relationship so much. I love Buffy being the one
to impart wisdom this time. Yeah, and now, oh.

Speaker 2 (01:27:48):
Gayest part? What was the gays part?

Speaker 1 (01:27:55):
Lena?

Speaker 2 (01:27:57):
Well, obviously I love a dominant woman. I think that
is inherently queer. I also loved, you know, obviously we've
got our Ethan rainback. That's sexual tension to the masses
like I like, I said, Giles fully grabs a fistful
of this man's hair and then brings him close to

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his face. Hello, that's gay and I loved it. What's
your gayest part? I also in the back of the neck. Okay,
go ahead, Sorry.

Speaker 1 (01:28:30):
My gayest part is I gone possessing Jenny Calendar's feminine body,
speaking in his masculine demon voice from that feminine body
and trying to fuck Giles's they said, And I wish
they did. Hey, hey almost had him.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
I love that almost had him. They were close. Damn well,
so fucking crazy dog like, she's like, take advantage of
my weekend state. What the hell?

Speaker 1 (01:29:05):
And Giles, King of all kings and gentlemen, he said, no,
he said, you went through a lot today. We actually
shouldn't do this.

Speaker 2 (01:29:13):
Yeah, it's also like to have sex with a concussion.
Oh yeah, Oh it ain't right.

Speaker 1 (01:29:20):
No, Well that's the Dark Ages.

Speaker 2 (01:29:24):
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Speaker 1 (01:31:31):
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for being here. We'll see you next week for an
episode that is a two parter and also.

Speaker 2 (01:31:42):
A big one.

Speaker 1 (01:31:43):
It's a big one next week.

Speaker 2 (01:31:44):
Thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:31:45):
We are in an era of the show of a
lot of big episodes. Yeah, we are in like the
stretch of the show really finding itself and really taking
big swings.

Speaker 2 (01:31:55):
Yeah, get excited. Have a lovely rest of your week,
you crazy heads.

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
Oh my gosh, go be crazy, Go be wild out
in the streets and live your life to the fullest.

Speaker 2 (01:32:11):
Yeah, and call your representatives.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Yes to that. The world's on fire, not in the
fun smash mouth way, in the bad all hands on
deck way.

Speaker 2 (01:32:22):
No, all hands on deck. Actually, they just need more
young progressive people. So I encourage you to get involved
in local politics as well.

Speaker 1 (01:32:30):
Hey shout out, hell yeah, hey, hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:33):
Let me get on my soapbox here. I love you guys.
Have a great rest of your week, and have us
happy and save Halloween. If this happened, this comes out
before Halloween, great. I hope you have a happy and
safe Halloween. I hope you party the fuck up if
that's what you want to do, or watch a scary
movie if that's what you want to do, or stay

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to do, and bear midriff if you that's what you
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