January 28, 2025 • 41 mins
How good are India in T20I cricket? Since winning the T20 World Cup in 2024, India have taken their game in the shortest format of the game a notch higher.
It seems the transition period in T20I cricket has been more seamless than in Tests for India. Three doyens of the format - Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja - retired after the World Cup triumph. However, India don’t seem to miss them a lot.
The coach-captain partnership between Gautam Gambhir and Suryakumar Yadav has worked wonders. While Gambhir has not managed to find success in Test cricket, he has been a remarkable coach in T20I cricket. Why so?
Is it time for India to think about having different coaches for different formats?
In the latest episode of the Sledging Room Podcast, we also discuss the widening gap in the relationship between star players and journalists. Also, is Bazball really going to work in limited-overs cricket?
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It seems the transition period in T20I cricket has been more seamless than in Tests for India. Three doyens of the format - Virat Kohli, Rohit Sharma and Ravindra Jadeja - retired after the World Cup triumph. However, India don’t seem to miss them a lot.
The coach-captain partnership between Gautam Gambhir and Suryakumar Yadav has worked wonders. While Gambhir has not managed to find success in Test cricket, he has been a remarkable coach in T20I cricket. Why so?
Is it time for India to think about having different coaches for different formats?
In the latest episode of the Sledging Room Podcast, we also discuss the widening gap in the relationship between star players and journalists. Also, is Bazball really going to work in limited-overs cricket?
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Produced by Garvit Srivastava
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is India Today Podcasts. You are on.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
India Today Podcasts and you are in the Sledging Room.
Let me warn you this is not a place for
the faint hearted and the weak need. If you're a
sports puff and like challenging everything you see and hear, stay,
If you're a sooner bodyatya fan walk away right now.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, Kingship Sorum, I can now feel how Harrybrow
would have felt playing that twenty and Coolkutta Smoggie with
no clear vision. That's exactly how we feel, you know,
coming into this episode of Sledging Room two days after
we recorded the last episode of Sledging Room.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's it's you know, it's I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Like T twenty cricket, does it give enough narratives for
us to you know, deep dive into it, you know, assays,
assess it and then talk, you know, forty thirty five
minutes after just two T twenty has in the series.
That's why we thought of, you know, broadening the discussion
points for this test series. I saw brought in Pakistan's
(01:21):
test defeat at home and also he brought out a
very important you brought out a very important point as
to is there a strain in relationship between the media
and the cricketers like in.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The earlier days? We've heard about story.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
We have heard stories about a lot of journalists you know,
being very close to players, sharing lunch with them, inviting
them home. We have seen many examples from our very
own organization, from the Hindu from the Times of India,
people you know forming a close bond with the likes
of Snilaska Kadev. Is that no more things or king
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should these days?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And why is that?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean, what are you trying to ask as in
like I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Asking, is there the strain and real as in the
journalists and the players?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Are they no more intertwined like they were in the past?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
But when were the intertwined in the past. Even even
with when you're talking about these cricketers like sulga Oskar,
they are no more active professionals.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
No, no, not now.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
During their playing days, someone would have traveled with them
to cover them throughout the Someone can write if imagine
if I were a journalist in the seventies and the eighties,
I traveled with a player, I can easily write an autobiography,
a full player profile about that player. But with the
proliferation of so much of media, with the proliferation of
every almost every person who writes can own on a
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website and become a you know, news medium. Now social
media's development has you know, kind of uh, you know,
closed the gap between player and the fans, which was
essentially you know, we've heard stories of how, at least
in we've heard stories of how people you know, throng
the Hindu office the Hindu office to see the giants
scoreboard there, you know, to learn about the scores. Now
(03:03):
though you have live scores, you watch the live streaming
of matches from.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
There to here.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why I'm asking that is if you can provide our
viewers a little bit of context as to what happened
between Pakistan captain Shan Masu and a journalist in Pakistan.
We've always seen Pakistan journalists towing the line a lot.
But Sor you and I will both agree that whoever
it is, however bad a team has played, a player
has played, that's not the tone you should take with
a player. Can you just explain that a little bit
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more absolutely right?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Because so what happened was Pakistan lost a Test match
to West Indies by one to twenty runs despite preparing
a spinfriended track.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Now what happens is Pakistan lose a Test match.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Shan Masoud goes to the press conference here this is
the prest conference and the reporter out of nowhere questions
him that your team did not perform. Well, you as
a captain, do you command any thoughty over the team
or is it just the board who takes the decision. So
basically he was trying to goesh the authority of Sar Mashud.
Then he says, okay, Sarmasub captain, you said something like
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you will have the say over the team selection. Then
there were different coach foreign coaches who were fired. Then
a Pakistani coach was brought in as an interim care
taker Akjavid. Then you started preparing spin tracks. Now you're
saying that spin friendly tracks are going to be the
way to go forward. But your team lost to wes INDs.
So what about your future? Will you take a call
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or will the pc be take a call? And this
I think you should not ask any cricketer because you
are actually now as a journalist. Your job is to
ask questions, right, but you are not there to give
your verdict, right. Shar Mashud replying to the question, he
first said, next question please, because he was not very
very happy when he heard that question, but the reporter
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forced him. He's like though, and then Sarmasu went on
a rant. He said, he said that first of all,
your question is dispecting. Do not do that to Pakist
cricketers because we here are sitting as Pakistan cricketers. We
do everything in our ability to win a Test match
or a cricket match for Pakistan and whatever decision in
Pakistan cricket mode makes me as a captain, the head
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coach and all players, we agree to that. And that
is where he said that do not throw the line,
do not disrespect Pakistan players because we represent our country
and it sends a wrong message. And with this whatever
happened right now, I personally believe that this is not
the first time that a journalist has questioned Pakistan captain,
whether it's Sharmashuth or whether in the past it was Barbarasam.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Why will you question something like that? Yeah, because if.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
You ask me if the way I have fault Pakistan
cricket in the last four or five years, it has
never been just the captain's fault or the coach's fault.
It is the whole administration that is at at fault.
You keep on changing the PCV chagments, you keep on
changing the captains, the coaches, and then when your teams
loses the test matches or loses Ada or a series
away or home, you just pull you pull your gun
(05:58):
and fire at the captain. No, it's not like that.
It should never happen like that. I don't believe that
this is the right to question a captain like that. Yes,
you can ask Ki what were the shortcomings of your
team and he will answer. He said that our batting
was not up to the mark, because when you are
playing spin friendly matches, we need to know how to
play spin bowlers. But you should never to the line
because he is at the end of a day, he's
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the captain of the interesting cricket team, the most popular
sport in your country. So he has he has an
aura respect to commands should give him that.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I was listening to one of the podcasts, one of
the BGIT podcasts earlier this month where one of the
current journalists are very senior journalists, spoke about how the
distance between players and the media has you know, increased,
has grown. So he was saying that in the earlier
twos in twenty nineteen nineties, what would happen is that
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some journalists who knew how to cook food, they would
take like their spices and their masala and stuff like that.
For example, somebody might cook sambur rice and a player
is really craving sumber as, they would ask you a haka,
So that would be a bonding session. So he was
explaining that the last time this kind of thing happened
with the Indian team when Rubbishas III was at the
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Helm of Affairs. So in twenty twenty one, when like
even when the Indian team was storing Australia, what would
happen is that Rubbishasti would go to a pub where
the journalists and stuff. They're all together right in one
city and it's like a one common hangout for everyone.
So Shasti would go there, sit there and the journalists
would have a free pass to talk to him. Everything
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might not reflect on the paper for that matter, nothing
might reflect on the paper, but a.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Relationship would be there.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
So the journalist was arguing that in the recent times,
over the last two three years, that distance has lengthened
because of the board, because the board wants to project
a certain kind of image, senior players want to project
a certain kind of image.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think it's I don't think that it's as recent
as twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's what I heard. Twenty twenty one was a COVID series.
We have to keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I am not sure how many people went to pubs
and had a social gathering there, but I think this
probably had to do with what happened during the match
fixing here.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Also in the two thousands, what happened then, like there.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Were a lot of issues surrounding the Indian cricket team
when they wanted more previously wanted more control over it.
That's what I feel. Probably it's there's a two thousand,
like nineteen ninety two, probably earlier then, because we have
heard stories saying that journalists inviting players.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
To their friend's house to have food.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And then if you go on oversea stores, unlike now,
there are not all these Indian restaurants which were there
in overseas countries for example South Africa West Indies where
finding an Indian cuisine will be very difficult. So probably
at that time, but like I said in the start
the start of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
There's a little bit of trust issue. Also if you
see what has.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Happened during the recent bordera Aska trophy, what happened in
the Indian resting room, and I once again asn't like
a lot of people targeted the journalists who broke stories,
but that.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Is their job.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But that's their job, right If you have to question
the wresting room leagues, you have to question pople who
are in the dressing room as it's not the journalists
fault that he has reported something that he knew from
the dressing room. Of course, verification of sources and all
that is there, But I don't think. But at the
end of the day, I just threw through this point
because you know, I thought from what shah Masud said,
at least the Indian media is not as you know
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brant and as unapologetic as it is as the Parkistan
media is towards its players. Like if you can you
ask Sama that question after he loses the Test series,
it's instead the other way around you. I still remember
where is that reporter? Where is he now? After winning
a Test match follow staint of defeats Even after that
New Zealand series lost the press on that attended. Questions
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were not asked with intention to hurt the shah Masud
question the way it was framed, it seems that not
only are you calling him a puppet.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
He they did call him.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They did call him puppet.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Right, Not only are you calling him that, you're calling
him incompetent, You're calling him whatever, like stupid, whatever. Questioning
is formed like there is a way to ask a question.
And I thought that in terms of Indian media, the
questions are more nuanced once a serious loss kind of happens, as.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
In, it's kind of a line between being a little
more bold and being a little more nuanced.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
And when you talk about Pakistan, yeah, you know what
happens in Pakistan. I don't know how to do is this,
but what I have read on social media, I've listened
to a lot of Pakistan experts that every six arate
months a board present board chairman changes.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Okay, so he has a lobby of journalists.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
So the lobby of journalists then questions the interim the
men who are in the helm of affairs in Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Then the captain changes. The captain also has a lobby
of journalists.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So are you hinting that Barbarasm has probably I'm not
saying barbarism.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Reporter there to you know, No, I'm not sad. I'm
not saying barbarasm. What I'm saying is Pakistan has developed
this culture where there are journalists who are in pay rolls.
For example, what I read there are very there are
a few journalists in Pakistan who are reporting that the
stadiums in Lahore and Karachi are ready for champions strophe. Fine,
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then we have international reporters and different reporters in Pakistan
itself who posts pictures and videos saying Ajata, it's still
not there.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
So this is actually contrasting.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Then there is someone who is actually showing that the
PC is doing work, there is someone who's questioning that
is PC be really doing work. So this is something
which has happened in Pakistan. I remember last to last
year before the World Cup when Barbarasma was addressing a
press conference. They're also there were a lot of questions
which was asked with intent to hurt Barbarasam. He's like
after King had Cricket Cup trophy. I know there are
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prs working for players, but still you do not ask
questions like this when your international team is going for
a World Cup, especially when it's going to a country
where you have an arch enemy kind of thing within
the specializing.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
With Indian media, when Pakistan visited the World Cup. During
the World Cup, they received a lot more love than
what they currently received.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Their own exactly exactly right.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Because I remember this thing with Sharmasuth came up when
when they lost the Bangladesh series. Also, something very similar
in terms of tone was spoken about, like what are
you doing You took over as a captain, Are you
only the captain because you speak English and things like that.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
It is not just about the press.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
So I remember, like you pointed out, I remember former
Pcvhairman and former Pakistan captain ramiz Aza. He was actually
interviewing Sharma Su on the field after the game and
he is asking he had a very very meaningful question.
The question was like, when your team has won something,
will you not praise the captain?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Will you not praise the team?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
He's asking a different question where he's saying that apa
batters are performed Naker and I why will you ask
something like that? And everybody in Pakistan, including the other
person who was sitting with Ramizaza, was really baffled by
Ramiza's question. So it's not just the journalist. There is
lobby working everywhere in Pakistan, like.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
In terms of like since we are in the media
and there is a way to you know, like not
go gaga over a player and there is also a
way to hold a player accountable. I think we tread
that thin line where sometimes like not sometimes a lot
of times in the recent times, what people.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Go over and and they and they ask with intent
to hurt.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I have one more point to make.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So my point is, yes, I have heard stories about
journalists and cricketers being friends. But then I have listened
to many cricketers who said that there was this article
in this publication which hurt me then and the article was,
like Sid pointed out at our con he said, I
read that headline wonderless sixth less flops again something like that.
(13:40):
Then U he said that, I don't know how people
frame these headlines because flopped in the series is India's
wall cracks. So they were heard with their questions, but
those were publications and there were articles. They were not
directed towards the players. It was more towards writing an
article where they were questioning the players performances not to
hurt the player.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We're talking about media discourse. We need to also, you know,
remind that the fans discourse also as and like on
social media. I don't know, like if someone like rowld
Rabbits says being on social media does more harm than
good for players, then it's something that is very serious
to look.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
At talking about Roald Rabbit, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
And it's not only just like sorry, I'm sorry, sorry,
sorry interrupt, It's not.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Just the fans.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
How many times have a fans family members that sisters, daughters, wives,
been threatened over a poor PA.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Performance in a Crunch game.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I mean, why do we stoop so there are people
who are always stooping low. But I think at some
point of time, like you know, like a stricter guideline
should affirm for the fans also like to keep things
in check, Like just because Travis Head has hit a
hundred against India, that doesn't mean that you go to
Travis Head's account, his wife's account and abuse the hell
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out of them.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I think very cheap.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I see came up with that social media protection policy
for the world person like last year, but how much
can you filter social media, Like if you have to
just disable your comments, then that kind of takes away
the engagement factor from your posts. So it's a very
difficult ason that's why I said leave alone social media
(15:15):
as and like you can't even trust the media these days,
like so many cricketers or sports stars say that my
cotes were you know, not represented correctly. So these instances
are also happening, right, So it's very difficult being a celebrity,
sporting celebrity or celebrity for that matter. But you know
I got the hook climb, but you ruined it. Now
(15:36):
I would say I wanted to, you know, get on
to Gotham compete. Because we are running short of time.
We need to discuss the T twenty I series, which
we thought sort of as in, like you, your headline
was Battle of David's it's been David was his Goali
had battle only in this T twenty series between India
and England. All for all that, you know, if our
listeners and viewers can go back and tune into twenty
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twenty four, for all the bashing that we did basseball,
you've got a chance to do that again. So all
that they didn't test cricket, in limited overs cricket, it
seems to be even bigger failure, Like you're blaming the
smog now for not playing and the irony is Harry
brook is going to represent Deli Capital, which is not
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a very proud thing. Deli is one of the most
air polluted cities in the world. But yeah, so, as
in like sort of did you expect this kind of
performance from England, as in like coming in with a
lot of hype, Josh Butler returning as captain, Brendan mcallum
taking over the white ball sides. But the first two
twentys have been like, you know, a big as in
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like it's been a it's been the hype.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It has not lived up.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Hype is what I was coming to say when I
was writing the preview for the first TAT. I remember
having the chat with you and I told you, but
you guys, both of you, I think you said and
I had only one doubt that at the moment I woke, Okay,
Brandon mccllum is the coach. This you can't win anything
because always I have said this, that man as good
as a cricketer, he is.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
A flop coach, absolute flop. Flop, absolute flop.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
That guy cannot win anything as a coach because the
only thing he has is I will entertain the crowd.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Go entertain the crowd.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Your team won't win jack because you as a coach,
you don't have any strategy. You don't improve your players,
do not, just rely on individual brilliance. And then your
motto is okay, attack again, attack more, attack more, and
this you know what has what has been more baffling
for me.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
There have been two matches right now.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Both teams have had different plans, different bowling strategies like
England are fielding a pace bowling heavy unit India India
are feeling a spin bowling heavy unit.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And India I have on both.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
The second into My second match was kind of a thriller,
but first was an absolute walkover for India. And it
all comes down to your batsman's inability to play spin.
They just throw their kits. Your team selection is questionable.
I don't know how you select your teams. Joe for archers,
for all this speed he brings, the impact he has had,
he gets smacked left and right.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Mark Wood is a good bowler. Cars did good in
the second.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Apart from that, I don't see Butler is the only
man who is standing your batting and is a flop.
Harry Brook has to come out and say, okay, smock.
There was a little bit of smock. So it's partly
due to that that we were not able to play spin.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That in the second the smell of somber rattle Brook.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
And then second again, Chakoti rattles you, castles you. You're
not able to understand what he's bowling. The Oscar takes
a dig at you on the Coventry.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I'm an English and I think I think for me,
I'm reading this twenty series very differently than what he is.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
For The simple thing is the moment you have mcam's coach,
don't expect your team to win, expect they will entertain,
they will lose, and they will go by.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So I need to now understand how kings you can
defend this.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
No, I'm not defending it all Like the batting is terrible.
I mean, there is no defense to that batting. So
the weird thing with Brendan McCallum is that he's fielding
a batting unit that's supposed to take down spin, but
the bowling unit is space heavy. So I'm a little
confused about that same on the same lines.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Barring Butler, who has who can read spin.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Jacob Bethel, Livingstone and supposedly now Brooks since he has
done a little bit in Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So that's that's, that's what they have right.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
If not for Small he would have read yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
But to be fair, I think it is also a
transitioning team with completely different way outlooks of the previous
team and this one so earlier England, where the basic
philosophy was attack with the bat, defend with the ball,
but here it seems that it's attack with the bat
and attack with the ball as well, and lose the
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match and lose the match, whatever the process is. So
Joffra Archer was excellent in the Kolka T twenty I,
but when he brings those lines, when he brings that
attacking bowling, you saw how brilliant Tillaguama was while taking
him down. So that's a risk that you always have
to run. So Brendan mcallum doesn't have a fix for that,
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Like sixty runs have gone from one side, but who
are the other players who can keep that running check?
In Secondary twenty I, I only saw Adi doing that
and everybody else was attacking. So I think it's a
philosophical thing change that Brendan Mcallum brings, and it might
take a very long time for this squad to settle
in new coach brings the bounds. Like under new coach
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something special happens. I don't think we are going to
see that.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
On a maclum.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
My only problem is even in test cricket, like, yeah,
you have the approach to entertain, you have the approach
to be aggressive, but where is that little bit of
thought that is something like we also discussed last year
that if bassball comes with a little bit of thought,
then it probably could be a revolutionary idea. But now,
from the looks of it, it might be a forgotten
idea in two years time. In one year's time, thought
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means like nuanced approach with the bat with exactly keep
the kolkat twenty in mind, you were seventeen for two,
and then Harry Brook stitches a partnership to take you
to some fifty three for two or something. Yes, you
lose Harrybrook, it might happen he has got you some
twenty thirty runs. And then Liam Livingston, such an experienced
player comes and swings wildly.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Swings.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Those kind of things are something that needs to be
kept a check on. It's not as an even in
a T twenty a game, there are ebs and flows
if you want to look at them, if you want
to catch them, if you want to sting string a partnership,
why not play six to ten hovers, take thirty runs.
I'm not saying that score score at five runs per over,
score at seven runs per over, get to some seventy
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for three at the end of ten hours.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And then launch.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
So one of those one of the things that you
rightly point out is that the partnership stitching is not happening.
And I think that's because one of the things that
I noticed was that earlier under the coaching of who
was there for England somebody else, Matthew Mott, Matthew Mott.
So what would happen is that Butler would play that role.
He would play that anchor, roll till fifteen over and
then try to unleash. Under MacCallum, what's happened is that
(22:06):
Butler wants to hit two boundaries in the first six
balls of his innings. YEA, that's a high risk approach.
Right kid, Joe route into the T twenty eight. Possibly
he's just did one hundred in twenty when you.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Over see the ball as well.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, as well.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
And you know what we are talking about England. Let's
praise Gotham gamb here. Let's praise what he has done
with eighteen.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So I talking about Gotham Cambire, I just want to ask,
probably in the future, are we going to see Gotham
Campire as only a white ball coach? From what I
could see that sixteenth over, seventeenth over during that chase
one hundred and sixty odd in Sennai, he rushed out
to the field and had a word with Tilla Korma,
and Tila Korama told later that he Gotamambir told me
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to just hang around, just hang around till the end,
no matter what the other person is doing. These are
the kind of proactive things that we seldom saw in
the bottom Gasca Trophy. Yeah, that's why I'm asking, is
Gotham Gum were so good in T twenty is that
he's not He's you know, weighed down by the expectations
in test cricket. Probably we have to agree that is
not suited to test cricket probably is good in T
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twenty as we haven't seen the Odia side of it.
Also is a longer version of the game. We have
to see how he does in Sri Lanka. It was
a two nail defeated a three match series with one
match getting tied. So I'm throwing this question to you,
is got Beer hasn't We have to credit him, yes,
of course, but is he only gonna be good for
the white ball.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Cricket in the future.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I have said it earlier.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Also, Gotta Kamber as a Test coach, he has We
have never seen got Beer coaching the first last side,
have we never? We did not know what he will
bring as a coach in red ball cricket. And his
first three series you win against Banadesh and then you
lose two series, first at home then away in Australia,
So your coaching will be a question. Now if you
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look at this side, this team is winning. It looks
like there's a plan in place for everything. Tilukarma, for
all we know, he played those two hundreds. He scored
two hundreds in South Africa. He attacked every ball in
this match. He knew when to attack, when to defend. Finally,
did that. Now, this side does not have a superstar
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who has the state stature over or more than Got.
So are you blaming I'm not blaming anyone, I think. No,
I'm not blaming anyone. I am just saying inexperiences at
the ball coach and his inability to influence the hole.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That saying will be the alpha.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I don't think if Got goes to the field and
if he tells Ron, they will say, okay, we are
going to limit this, but we have other plans. Also,
He's like, okay, coach, if you're saying this, will do this.
So there is a difference. And then Gambir is a
successful tituentay coach, so he has that confidence.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So by your logic, only Servian Richards can go coach
the test team, which probably will.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Listen succeeded as a test coach kind of one everything
that was at home. Why because he had a better
reputation and he had a better working relationship with Russian
the captain.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I don't think Gambi and will share that relationship.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No disrespect to you know other teams.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Has Lashman not scoring runs has not helped it?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
No, but no disrespect to you know the logic or
the personalities involved. Then how did Matthew Mott find success
with England? How did Trevor Baillies find success Within Again
I'm saying this is only limited to India.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
No again, I'm saying that it's not just about it's
a compilation of things that got inexperience as at all.
Coach Fine, then your inability to handle pressure when you
go to Australia And the worst thing about in Australia
was he never accepted things. He's like, okay, we're down
to one. I will be happy. Had you asked me
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twenty days before this, I would haven't happy. This is
not how it works.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I think when you said that he came down to
and said that just hang out. Why did you not
do that for the entire test series when we were
losing weekends in a bunch, Just come down randomly, a drinks,
just hang around guys. We can do this.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
We can do and and for a T and I
if I believe you don't have to plan in advance
like rubbish, as three has said for Obedity, he used
to plan from February before. I Appeel did not get
the time and the time that he got had not
used that time properly. So it's not just who has
to be questioned, he's coaching staff also because apart from Marcle,
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I don't see any player in that side, any coaching,
any one in that coaching side who succeeded in the
red work cricket. So there will be there are questions,
and I believe we need a different coach in red
ball and different captain also, But this side is giving
us good reasons to believe is a good limited over coach.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I have two I I I have two points.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
If my ADHD does not kick in before that, I'll
complete two points. Okay, Okay, So I don't agree with
whatever you said, because you never agree.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
That's the one point.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's all I think.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I think our listeners and viewers might have you know,
probably found, you know, understood the flow of this.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It comes from here sort of says something.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I don't agree with that, and then it's like your
right brain and your left braind functioning, they are at loggerheads.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Whatever that. Let's see. Let's see.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Okay, I'm eagerly waiting to see how you disproved.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Absolutely, should I start by saying that I agree with
one of his points.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You you have made the claim kicking made the tame
back made the game. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
So in test cricket, India did play the best side
in the world, which was Australia in Australia in very
tough conditions.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I agree with what what what you're saying that is.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
That the inability to manage egos, such strong egos in
the side, going up to them and saying and listen,
this is my plan.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Enable it. They're saying, ah, we have played more than you.
Calm down, We're going to take it. We'll play whatever
that is. So like that creates a disharmony of sorts.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
And it's also a transitioning side which doesn't have an
extremely like strong bunch throughout their lineup. But with the
T twenty I side, not only does he have the experience,
he also has Gamir Gambier have the experience of being
with LSC and even as captain, he he also has
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by his side who has worked with a lot of
these young kids in the domestic format. Now since the
since he has been handed over the already transition side
to the T twenty ice and is flaw.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I don't agree with already already transition.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Captain Washington's key positions from Miko past team say on
carryover like s Also, I'm not like taking into account
because he is also now shifting between.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Credit when talk about that, when you talk about the
you know, you make, you make it look like the
transition already has happened. But I think the transition is
happening and it's very seamless.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
And yeah, and also who are the opponents that we
are playing? We played a half so in South Africa
and South Africa we did brilliantly like but that also
was not a gumby team.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
We have to talk about that.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Then we are playing England, who are by all margins
that are batting orders absolute like trash trash stuff. We said,
I want to see Jacob, I want to see Ja.
He's a young young player, first time expression in India, right,
So I think that we have to like, you know,
like keep that into account when we make that argument.
That is a tremendous white ball coach and a trash
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red ball coach. So when we go to England now,
which is also again away tour.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
How many away tours the.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
That is what I'm saying. A home series.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Is now written in stone, written in stone.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
So my thing is that we can only tick like
tick off Gumbier from that position of red ball coach
once the England Tour happens and another home season.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
That that that we see.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
My problem is that I think Gumbi is good in
T twenty as solely because of the point that you
mentioned is that transition sidegon. We can tell till Burma
he listen, play out ad, I don't care, play out, oh,
don't go to swing and we will see what.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Then it eventually comes down to the superstar culture that
we have been cribbing over right, Like for instance, I'm
asking Matthew Mott Andrew McDonald what what Like I'm non
disrespect to them, but are they as big as Ricky Ponting?
Are they as big as Pat Cummins as Steve Smith?
But don't they listen to their coaches? If you have
brought in a coach who has to do your job,
then you have to so at least have the captain.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Compare Gumbi ro Hit to Langer Cummins, not with McDonald Commins. Now,
now let's figure out where did that relationships hour they
want ashes Also with that, I think they won the
T twenty World Cup, also under landon Langer, but actually
have tasted T twenty success for the first time since
they were denied by the turage seventeen.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Thirty and then they fired the court.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Also no.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, so also like one of the important things that
we have to look at there with that argument is
that T twenty World Cup twin only once can build
up under Langer's team. Eastern Agar was the preferred six,
number six, number seven. Suddenly in T twenty World Cup
when the when the rift apparently seems to start, Eshton
Agger gets dropped, they bring in one extra batter. They
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win that World Cup. After that they go to Ashes Ashes,
Jeta Langer is goodbye. I have never heard of an
Australian or an England creator losing their coaching job after
winning the Ashes.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
True, but again the superstar culture again, Pat come Ins
as Langer Again.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I'm saying you, Pat Commins succeeded with McDonald's because he
is performing with the ball. And then, if I'm telling
you again, the moment a captain is performing with the
bat or the ball.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
His say increases.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Yeah, it impacts your confidence, it impacts your performance, impacts everything.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
From the time Gambir has been appointed, roots form has
been like that's a very important point.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Not and I believe that is still out.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
He's still not come out from that sorrow mood where
he was like, Okay, it was my work wife. Now
I don't have my work wife. Maybe yeah. And you
see how Rosi has been whenever he was going, he's
influencing that team Mumbai.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
He was not losing. Anywhere comes in, they lose to.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
So that's also also because the fact there is that
that the movie disturbed combiners. The Mumbai openers who were
performing in and out in this season got replaced by
Jessuall and so that messed up the combination of the.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Comes you lose. That is that's a little too hard
to that happened.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
All this Wait till the Champions Trophy end when he
plays those selfless.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
But I am I have a very very nightmarish thing
about champions stuff that this side with whatever dacing room
leaks we have had, I don't see this decide winning
the Champion Storpy.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
But do you are you blaming it on Are you
saying that Gumbier looked bad in Test cricket because of
road Sharma again asking you again.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I started my point by saying that Gambir, we have
never seen Kair coach well side before he goes the
Indian site.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Where is that experience?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
But I will agree with one point that because Sherman's
you know, confusion in the mind stems from the fact
that he is going through a very lean patch. Like
we pointed out in a couple of episodes before that
Ruth has never had this lean patch. Since the time
he came into this twenty nineteen tests, he has been one.
He was one of India's consistent performances in testate. And
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I think the tip in form and the clout in
the dressing room when you're not scoring runs yourself, what
will you probably go and tell We'readkoli? Who is you know,
fishing outside the off stump? That point I agree, But
I don't agree to this point of Ruth coming and
disturbing the balance everywhere. He will wait, we will talk
out of the championship. You see, you saw what happened.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
He has disagreed with the left right again, I'm saying
you gumber wins with Boom, gamber wins, where does not
win with.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I have a little more I'm asking him the question,
are you blaming that he does not have that?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
But not how you're saying no, I'm saying this. You're
not laying that properly because Boomorra was not the captain.
He was standing captain and Boomra is a man.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
So you're saying that combination as as a combination is
not working.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Yeah, because not scoring runs and then the EUO management
of Gambier when he's with it's not working at all.
It's just not working. I have to see it and
we will have to see how it does in this
championship before even how did you Gumbi and there your
captain and your best batter. Of everybody is saying that
he's a generational cricketer. He is. They did not perform, you.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Know, how formed After that one particular ESPN tweet that
how he is transfer for me the cricket as a cat.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
But but you know, to talk abouta's form, he altered
his approach in T twenty so much that at thirty
seven probably switching back to red ball cricket and finding
that rhythm is very difficult.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm again telling was your best best batter a cross
format in the last four five years any format.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
To take better than we're college exactly, no.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Doubt about that. You can't compare with Art with this,
but his farm as his conference is low. Kami has
not been able to manage the egos of the star players.
And then he has never coosed the red ball side.
So there are a lot of factores play.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So throwing a quick question, who can be a test
coach for India?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
If you want different red ball coach for India?
Speaker 5 (35:41):
You have tried Luxur when as your coach everywhere where
did not go and did not go, and he is
a successful Test cricketer, try him.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Do you want Indian or non Indian? Bring back Jason Gill?
There is only one correct name waite for it.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Brendan McCallum sing Oh. He said, he said it that
given a chance, he would want to give it to.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Everybody wants to coaching and team.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Probably the iron hand that Indian team needs.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
The iron hand does not know what to do, when
to do and what to speak when when he has
to speak, So you can't have that, Iran, Sorry, get.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
This quickly before we go. Sorry, no, please know?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, So as in like do you see England coming
back in this twenty series.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
If so, how they can come back in this series.
They have everything everything in that squad. They have bowlers,
they have batters. The only thing is they have to
tell their coach you stop this bullshit of bass ball nonsense.
We're playing in India. Let us play god in the situation.
Let us plan out things.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So basically do what did in Australia.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
No, but that again, I'm saying that, Butler.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So there were reports which said that playing levens were
handed out differently. One playing leven was read out in
dressing room and gave another playing len in the toss.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Because McCallum is one of the most coaches you'll ever have.
As a cricketer, he is, I love him. But as
a coach he's just wipes and entertainment, nothing else.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And we have seen it.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Were have England finish in w TC since McCallum became
the coach? Three times England have hosted final. Have they
played in final? Are they going to play this time?
Speaker 6 (37:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Why because your wife? You nothing else?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
You have a batter who is scoring the most number
of runs in the calendar year.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, you pushed out James Anderson. You literally pushed him out.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
How long can he continue?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Why why can't he continue?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like will say, I'll come back here taking.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Wickets for you in England? Why can't he play? Giving
that respect?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, but you want to face out thy seven year.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Old one can win this series all day macclum goes
on all day for next season to day.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I'm telling you, So, I think.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Like England doesn't have the squad depth to do this
number one because for the first thing is that Bendett
cannot be your twenty eyes Benduckett.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
What Bat and Bendict whever.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
So I like, yeah, so that's my argument that that
level and level is much much different.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So I'm not going to keep Benduckett.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
I'm going to open with Josh Butler and fill Salt,
and then I'm going to bring Bethel, who is not fit.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
The sickness or something.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
And was written by for three times in the same over.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yes, And I'll bring up Bethel and put Broukette four,
which will still keep my issue of squad strength, because
then Jamie Smith will have to be inducted in the
middle order and that will be very thin in terms
of experience. So I still think that, like the main
reason England cannot do it this series is because the
batting order does not have enough experience. But the only
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way that they can even stand the chance just say
then sublow click career that duckat will have to be removed.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
You know, I'm telling you again in the second England
has had the chance till the nineteenth only because it
was Joe Butler's mind playing at the helm of Butler
tried everything in his heir, but how could he win
the match when he has the coaches, just wife's and entertainment.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Nothing is just wifes enterainment.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I just hope that it does not bite us back.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I'm telling you they will win the series.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
This series, if Madam takes a hold.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Will be writing a final prediction for India winning in England.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
And were we are definitely going to make him do that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
If Louis is not the captain, we might win that.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Why do you have I am? I gain and again
asked you this question.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Because as a testator, he's just not there now.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You know what will would what what we will do
with you?
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Like man, you both don't have points.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
You're saying this, you know I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I agree to that assessment.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That you made our rules form how it is affecting.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Disagrees, then he agrees, and then he disagrees. That is
what in the whole podcast. He has been doing that
for the last two years.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
As if if someone can you know, like I asked
him not to write that five minil copy for he
never listens to us.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, galify, this is what possibly is happening between Cambire
Androy out in the media. I come and say something else.
I dropped you, you dropped me, you know, I dropped myself.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
See all of this makes for a beautiful, beautiful book,
Like five ten years later. I hope some journalist is
close to some guy in that Indian team so that
this whole thing can come out.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah I would rather Yeah, but the PG has already hasn't.
But yeah we can.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Since we have discussed quite a lot of topics, quite
a lot of you know, talking points, the T twenty
series prediction and what makes gamb be a good T
twenty a coach and what or what doesn't make him
a good test coach and whether Brendon McCallum is all
about vibes and entertainment only like sort of claims here
he doesn't have any inputs to give to the players, so.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He just says, give me vipes and entertainment.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
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This is India Today Podcasts. You are on.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
India Today Podcasts and you are in the Sledging Room.
Let me warn you this is not a place for
the faint hearted and the weak need. If you're a
sports puff and like challenging everything you see and hear, stay,
If you're a sooner bodyatya fan walk away right now.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
You know, Kingship Sorum, I can now feel how Harrybrow
would have felt playing that twenty and Coolkutta Smoggie with
no clear vision. That's exactly how we feel, you know,
coming into this episode of Sledging Room two days after
we recorded the last episode of Sledging Room.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It's it's you know, it's I don't know.
Speaker 3 (01:00):
Like T twenty cricket, does it give enough narratives for
us to you know, deep dive into it, you know, assays,
assess it and then talk, you know, forty thirty five
minutes after just two T twenty has in the series.
That's why we thought of, you know, broadening the discussion
points for this test series. I saw brought in Pakistan's
(01:21):
test defeat at home and also he brought out a
very important you brought out a very important point as
to is there a strain in relationship between the media
and the cricketers like in.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
The earlier days? We've heard about story.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
We have heard stories about a lot of journalists you know,
being very close to players, sharing lunch with them, inviting
them home. We have seen many examples from our very
own organization, from the Hindu from the Times of India,
people you know forming a close bond with the likes
of Snilaska Kadev. Is that no more things or king
(01:55):
should these days?
Speaker 1 (01:56):
And why is that?
Speaker 4 (01:57):
I mean, what are you trying to ask as in
like I'm.
Speaker 3 (02:01):
Asking, is there the strain and real as in the
journalists and the players?
Speaker 1 (02:06):
Are they no more intertwined like they were in the past?
Speaker 4 (02:09):
But when were the intertwined in the past. Even even
with when you're talking about these cricketers like sulga Oskar,
they are no more active professionals.
Speaker 1 (02:17):
No, no, not now.
Speaker 3 (02:19):
During their playing days, someone would have traveled with them
to cover them throughout the Someone can write if imagine
if I were a journalist in the seventies and the eighties,
I traveled with a player, I can easily write an autobiography,
a full player profile about that player. But with the
proliferation of so much of media, with the proliferation of
every almost every person who writes can own on a
(02:42):
website and become a you know, news medium. Now social
media's development has you know, kind of uh, you know,
closed the gap between player and the fans, which was
essentially you know, we've heard stories of how, at least
in we've heard stories of how people you know, throng
the Hindu office the Hindu office to see the giants
scoreboard there, you know, to learn about the scores. Now
(03:03):
though you have live scores, you watch the live streaming
of matches from.
Speaker 1 (03:07):
There to here.
Speaker 3 (03:08):
Why I'm asking that is if you can provide our
viewers a little bit of context as to what happened
between Pakistan captain Shan Masu and a journalist in Pakistan.
We've always seen Pakistan journalists towing the line a lot.
But Sor you and I will both agree that whoever
it is, however bad a team has played, a player
has played, that's not the tone you should take with
a player. Can you just explain that a little bit
(03:29):
more absolutely right?
Speaker 5 (03:31):
Because so what happened was Pakistan lost a Test match
to West Indies by one to twenty runs despite preparing
a spinfriended track.
Speaker 4 (03:40):
Now what happens is Pakistan lose a Test match.
Speaker 5 (03:42):
Shan Masoud goes to the press conference here this is
the prest conference and the reporter out of nowhere questions
him that your team did not perform. Well, you as
a captain, do you command any thoughty over the team
or is it just the board who takes the decision. So
basically he was trying to goesh the authority of Sar Mashud.
Then he says, okay, Sarmasub captain, you said something like
(04:07):
you will have the say over the team selection. Then
there were different coach foreign coaches who were fired. Then
a Pakistani coach was brought in as an interim care
taker Akjavid. Then you started preparing spin tracks. Now you're
saying that spin friendly tracks are going to be the
way to go forward. But your team lost to wes INDs.
So what about your future? Will you take a call
(04:28):
or will the pc be take a call? And this
I think you should not ask any cricketer because you
are actually now as a journalist. Your job is to
ask questions, right, but you are not there to give
your verdict, right. Shar Mashud replying to the question, he
first said, next question please, because he was not very
very happy when he heard that question, but the reporter
(04:49):
forced him. He's like though, and then Sarmasu went on
a rant. He said, he said that first of all,
your question is dispecting. Do not do that to Pakist
cricketers because we here are sitting as Pakistan cricketers. We
do everything in our ability to win a Test match
or a cricket match for Pakistan and whatever decision in
Pakistan cricket mode makes me as a captain, the head
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coach and all players, we agree to that. And that
is where he said that do not throw the line,
do not disrespect Pakistan players because we represent our country
and it sends a wrong message. And with this whatever
happened right now, I personally believe that this is not
the first time that a journalist has questioned Pakistan captain,
whether it's Sharmashuth or whether in the past it was Barbarasam.
Speaker 4 (05:34):
Why will you question something like that? Yeah, because if.
Speaker 5 (05:37):
You ask me if the way I have fault Pakistan
cricket in the last four or five years, it has
never been just the captain's fault or the coach's fault.
It is the whole administration that is at at fault.
You keep on changing the PCV chagments, you keep on
changing the captains, the coaches, and then when your teams
loses the test matches or loses Ada or a series
away or home, you just pull you pull your gun
(05:58):
and fire at the captain. No, it's not like that.
It should never happen like that. I don't believe that
this is the right to question a captain like that. Yes,
you can ask Ki what were the shortcomings of your
team and he will answer. He said that our batting
was not up to the mark, because when you are
playing spin friendly matches, we need to know how to
play spin bowlers. But you should never to the line
because he is at the end of a day, he's
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the captain of the interesting cricket team, the most popular
sport in your country. So he has he has an
aura respect to commands should give him that.
Speaker 6 (06:27):
I was listening to one of the podcasts, one of
the BGIT podcasts earlier this month where one of the
current journalists are very senior journalists, spoke about how the
distance between players and the media has you know, increased,
has grown. So he was saying that in the earlier
twos in twenty nineteen nineties, what would happen is that
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some journalists who knew how to cook food, they would
take like their spices and their masala and stuff like that.
For example, somebody might cook sambur rice and a player
is really craving sumber as, they would ask you a haka,
So that would be a bonding session. So he was
explaining that the last time this kind of thing happened
with the Indian team when Rubbishas III was at the
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Helm of Affairs. So in twenty twenty one, when like
even when the Indian team was storing Australia, what would
happen is that Rubbishasti would go to a pub where
the journalists and stuff. They're all together right in one
city and it's like a one common hangout for everyone.
So Shasti would go there, sit there and the journalists
would have a free pass to talk to him. Everything
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might not reflect on the paper for that matter, nothing
might reflect on the paper, but a.
Speaker 1 (07:33):
Relationship would be there.
Speaker 6 (07:34):
So the journalist was arguing that in the recent times,
over the last two three years, that distance has lengthened
because of the board, because the board wants to project
a certain kind of image, senior players want to project
a certain kind of image.
Speaker 3 (07:48):
I think it's I don't think that it's as recent
as twenty twenty one.
Speaker 1 (07:53):
That's what I heard. Twenty twenty one was a COVID series.
We have to keep that in mind.
Speaker 3 (07:57):
I am not sure how many people went to pubs
and had a social gathering there, but I think this
probably had to do with what happened during the match
fixing here.
Speaker 1 (08:07):
Also in the two thousands, what happened then, like there.
Speaker 3 (08:10):
Were a lot of issues surrounding the Indian cricket team
when they wanted more previously wanted more control over it.
That's what I feel. Probably it's there's a two thousand,
like nineteen ninety two, probably earlier then, because we have
heard stories saying that journalists inviting players.
Speaker 1 (08:26):
To their friend's house to have food.
Speaker 3 (08:28):
And then if you go on oversea stores, unlike now,
there are not all these Indian restaurants which were there
in overseas countries for example South Africa West Indies where
finding an Indian cuisine will be very difficult. So probably
at that time, but like I said in the start
the start of the podcast.
Speaker 1 (08:43):
There's a little bit of trust issue. Also if you
see what has.
Speaker 3 (08:45):
Happened during the recent bordera Aska trophy, what happened in
the Indian resting room, and I once again asn't like
a lot of people targeted the journalists who broke stories,
but that.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Is their job.
Speaker 3 (08:55):
But that's their job, right If you have to question
the wresting room leagues, you have to question pople who
are in the dressing room as it's not the journalists
fault that he has reported something that he knew from
the dressing room. Of course, verification of sources and all
that is there, But I don't think. But at the
end of the day, I just threw through this point
because you know, I thought from what shah Masud said,
at least the Indian media is not as you know
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brant and as unapologetic as it is as the Parkistan
media is towards its players. Like if you can you
ask Sama that question after he loses the Test series,
it's instead the other way around you. I still remember
where is that reporter? Where is he now? After winning
a Test match follow staint of defeats Even after that
New Zealand series lost the press on that attended. Questions
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were not asked with intention to hurt the shah Masud
question the way it was framed, it seems that not
only are you calling him a puppet.
Speaker 4 (09:50):
He they did call him.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
They did call him puppet.
Speaker 6 (09:53):
Right, Not only are you calling him that, you're calling
him incompetent, You're calling him whatever, like stupid, whatever. Questioning
is formed like there is a way to ask a question.
And I thought that in terms of Indian media, the
questions are more nuanced once a serious loss kind of happens, as.
Speaker 3 (10:09):
In, it's kind of a line between being a little
more bold and being a little more nuanced.
Speaker 5 (10:16):
And when you talk about Pakistan, yeah, you know what
happens in Pakistan. I don't know how to do is this,
but what I have read on social media, I've listened
to a lot of Pakistan experts that every six arate
months a board present board chairman changes.
Speaker 4 (10:29):
Okay, so he has a lobby of journalists.
Speaker 5 (10:32):
So the lobby of journalists then questions the interim the
men who are in the helm of affairs in Pakistan.
Speaker 4 (10:38):
Then the captain changes. The captain also has a lobby
of journalists.
Speaker 3 (10:41):
So are you hinting that Barbarasm has probably I'm not
saying barbarism.
Speaker 5 (10:46):
Reporter there to you know, No, I'm not sad. I'm
not saying barbarasm. What I'm saying is Pakistan has developed
this culture where there are journalists who are in pay rolls.
For example, what I read there are very there are
a few journalists in Pakistan who are reporting that the
stadiums in Lahore and Karachi are ready for champions strophe. Fine,
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then we have international reporters and different reporters in Pakistan
itself who posts pictures and videos saying Ajata, it's still
not there.
Speaker 4 (11:15):
So this is actually contrasting.
Speaker 5 (11:17):
Then there is someone who is actually showing that the
PC is doing work, there is someone who's questioning that
is PC be really doing work. So this is something
which has happened in Pakistan. I remember last to last
year before the World Cup when Barbarasma was addressing a
press conference. They're also there were a lot of questions
which was asked with intent to hurt Barbarasam. He's like
after King had Cricket Cup trophy. I know there are
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prs working for players, but still you do not ask
questions like this when your international team is going for
a World Cup, especially when it's going to a country
where you have an arch enemy kind of thing within
the specializing.
Speaker 6 (11:50):
With Indian media, when Pakistan visited the World Cup. During
the World Cup, they received a lot more love than
what they currently received.
Speaker 4 (11:57):
Their own exactly exactly right.
Speaker 6 (12:00):
Because I remember this thing with Sharmasuth came up when
when they lost the Bangladesh series. Also, something very similar
in terms of tone was spoken about, like what are
you doing You took over as a captain, Are you
only the captain because you speak English and things like that.
Speaker 4 (12:14):
It is not just about the press.
Speaker 5 (12:15):
So I remember, like you pointed out, I remember former
Pcvhairman and former Pakistan captain ramiz Aza. He was actually
interviewing Sharma Su on the field after the game and
he is asking he had a very very meaningful question.
The question was like, when your team has won something,
will you not praise the captain?
Speaker 4 (12:33):
Will you not praise the team?
Speaker 5 (12:35):
He's asking a different question where he's saying that apa
batters are performed Naker and I why will you ask
something like that? And everybody in Pakistan, including the other
person who was sitting with Ramizaza, was really baffled by
Ramiza's question. So it's not just the journalist. There is
lobby working everywhere in Pakistan, like.
Speaker 6 (12:55):
In terms of like since we are in the media
and there is a way to you know, like not
go gaga over a player and there is also a
way to hold a player accountable. I think we tread
that thin line where sometimes like not sometimes a lot
of times in the recent times, what people.
Speaker 1 (13:11):
Go over and and they and they ask with intent
to hurt.
Speaker 4 (13:14):
I have one more point to make.
Speaker 1 (13:15):
It's yeah.
Speaker 5 (13:16):
So my point is, yes, I have heard stories about
journalists and cricketers being friends. But then I have listened
to many cricketers who said that there was this article
in this publication which hurt me then and the article was,
like Sid pointed out at our con he said, I
read that headline wonderless sixth less flops again something like that.
(13:40):
Then U he said that, I don't know how people
frame these headlines because flopped in the series is India's
wall cracks. So they were heard with their questions, but
those were publications and there were articles. They were not
directed towards the players. It was more towards writing an
article where they were questioning the players performances not to
hurt the player.
Speaker 3 (14:01):
We're talking about media discourse. We need to also, you know,
remind that the fans discourse also as and like on
social media. I don't know, like if someone like rowld
Rabbits says being on social media does more harm than
good for players, then it's something that is very serious
to look.
Speaker 1 (14:17):
At talking about Roald Rabbit, you know.
Speaker 6 (14:19):
And it's not only just like sorry, I'm sorry, sorry,
sorry interrupt, It's not.
Speaker 1 (14:23):
Just the fans.
Speaker 6 (14:24):
How many times have a fans family members that sisters, daughters, wives,
been threatened over a poor PA.
Speaker 1 (14:31):
Performance in a Crunch game.
Speaker 6 (14:33):
I mean, why do we stoop so there are people
who are always stooping low. But I think at some
point of time, like you know, like a stricter guideline
should affirm for the fans also like to keep things
in check, Like just because Travis Head has hit a
hundred against India, that doesn't mean that you go to
Travis Head's account, his wife's account and abuse the hell
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out of them.
Speaker 1 (14:54):
I think very cheap.
Speaker 3 (14:55):
I see came up with that social media protection policy
for the world person like last year, but how much
can you filter social media, Like if you have to
just disable your comments, then that kind of takes away
the engagement factor from your posts. So it's a very
difficult ason that's why I said leave alone social media
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as and like you can't even trust the media these days,
like so many cricketers or sports stars say that my
cotes were you know, not represented correctly. So these instances
are also happening, right, So it's very difficult being a celebrity,
sporting celebrity or celebrity for that matter. But you know
I got the hook climb, but you ruined it. Now
(15:36):
I would say I wanted to, you know, get on
to Gotham compete. Because we are running short of time.
We need to discuss the T twenty I series, which
we thought sort of as in, like you, your headline
was Battle of David's it's been David was his Goali
had battle only in this T twenty series between India
and England. All for all that, you know, if our
listeners and viewers can go back and tune into twenty
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twenty four, for all the bashing that we did basseball,
you've got a chance to do that again. So all
that they didn't test cricket, in limited overs cricket, it
seems to be even bigger failure, Like you're blaming the
smog now for not playing and the irony is Harry
brook is going to represent Deli Capital, which is not
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a very proud thing. Deli is one of the most
air polluted cities in the world. But yeah, so, as
in like sort of did you expect this kind of
performance from England, as in like coming in with a
lot of hype, Josh Butler returning as captain, Brendan mcallum
taking over the white ball sides. But the first two
twentys have been like, you know, a big as in
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like it's been a it's been the hype.
Speaker 1 (16:44):
It has not lived up.
Speaker 5 (16:44):
Hype is what I was coming to say when I
was writing the preview for the first TAT. I remember
having the chat with you and I told you, but
you guys, both of you, I think you said and
I had only one doubt that at the moment I woke, Okay,
Brandon mccllum is the coach. This you can't win anything
because always I have said this, that man as good
as a cricketer, he is.
Speaker 4 (17:05):
A flop coach, absolute flop. Flop, absolute flop.
Speaker 5 (17:10):
That guy cannot win anything as a coach because the
only thing he has is I will entertain the crowd.
Speaker 4 (17:15):
Go entertain the crowd.
Speaker 5 (17:16):
Your team won't win jack because you as a coach,
you don't have any strategy. You don't improve your players,
do not, just rely on individual brilliance. And then your
motto is okay, attack again, attack more, attack more, and
this you know what has what has been more baffling
for me.
Speaker 4 (17:35):
There have been two matches right now.
Speaker 5 (17:37):
Both teams have had different plans, different bowling strategies like
England are fielding a pace bowling heavy unit India India
are feeling a spin bowling heavy unit.
Speaker 4 (17:49):
And India I have on both.
Speaker 5 (17:50):
The second into My second match was kind of a thriller,
but first was an absolute walkover for India. And it
all comes down to your batsman's inability to play spin.
They just throw their kits. Your team selection is questionable.
I don't know how you select your teams. Joe for archers,
for all this speed he brings, the impact he has had,
he gets smacked left and right.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Mark Wood is a good bowler. Cars did good in
the second.
Speaker 5 (18:14):
Apart from that, I don't see Butler is the only
man who is standing your batting and is a flop.
Harry Brook has to come out and say, okay, smock.
There was a little bit of smock. So it's partly
due to that that we were not able to play spin.
Speaker 1 (18:27):
That in the second the smell of somber rattle Brook.
Speaker 5 (18:32):
And then second again, Chakoti rattles you, castles you. You're
not able to understand what he's bowling. The Oscar takes
a dig at you on the Coventry.
Speaker 6 (18:42):
I'm an English and I think I think for me,
I'm reading this twenty series very differently than what he is.
Speaker 5 (18:48):
For The simple thing is the moment you have mcam's coach,
don't expect your team to win, expect they will entertain,
they will lose, and they will go by.
Speaker 1 (18:54):
So I need to now understand how kings you can
defend this.
Speaker 6 (18:58):
No, I'm not defending it all Like the batting is terrible.
I mean, there is no defense to that batting. So
the weird thing with Brendan McCallum is that he's fielding
a batting unit that's supposed to take down spin, but
the bowling unit is space heavy. So I'm a little
confused about that same on the same lines.
Speaker 1 (19:13):
Barring Butler, who has who can read spin.
Speaker 6 (19:16):
Jacob Bethel, Livingstone and supposedly now Brooks since he has
done a little bit in Pakistan.
Speaker 1 (19:22):
So that's that's, that's what they have right.
Speaker 4 (19:24):
If not for Small he would have read yeah.
Speaker 6 (19:26):
But to be fair, I think it is also a
transitioning team with completely different way outlooks of the previous
team and this one so earlier England, where the basic
philosophy was attack with the bat, defend with the ball,
but here it seems that it's attack with the bat
and attack with the ball as well, and lose the
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match and lose the match, whatever the process is. So
Joffra Archer was excellent in the Kolka T twenty I,
but when he brings those lines, when he brings that
attacking bowling, you saw how brilliant Tillaguama was while taking
him down. So that's a risk that you always have
to run. So Brendan mcallum doesn't have a fix for that,
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Like sixty runs have gone from one side, but who
are the other players who can keep that running check?
In Secondary twenty I, I only saw Adi doing that
and everybody else was attacking. So I think it's a
philosophical thing change that Brendan Mcallum brings, and it might
take a very long time for this squad to settle
in new coach brings the bounds. Like under new coach
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something special happens. I don't think we are going to
see that.
Speaker 1 (20:32):
On a maclum.
Speaker 6 (20:33):
No.
Speaker 3 (20:33):
My only problem is even in test cricket, like, yeah,
you have the approach to entertain, you have the approach
to be aggressive, but where is that little bit of
thought that is something like we also discussed last year
that if bassball comes with a little bit of thought,
then it probably could be a revolutionary idea. But now,
from the looks of it, it might be a forgotten
idea in two years time. In one year's time, thought
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means like nuanced approach with the bat with exactly keep
the kolkat twenty in mind, you were seventeen for two,
and then Harry Brook stitches a partnership to take you
to some fifty three for two or something. Yes, you
lose Harrybrook, it might happen he has got you some
twenty thirty runs. And then Liam Livingston, such an experienced
player comes and swings wildly.
Speaker 1 (21:17):
Swings.
Speaker 3 (21:19):
Those kind of things are something that needs to be
kept a check on. It's not as an even in
a T twenty a game, there are ebs and flows
if you want to look at them, if you want
to catch them, if you want to sting string a partnership,
why not play six to ten hovers, take thirty runs.
I'm not saying that score score at five runs per over,
score at seven runs per over, get to some seventy
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for three at the end of ten hours.
Speaker 1 (21:42):
And then launch.
Speaker 6 (21:43):
So one of those one of the things that you
rightly point out is that the partnership stitching is not happening.
And I think that's because one of the things that
I noticed was that earlier under the coaching of who
was there for England somebody else, Matthew Mott, Matthew Mott.
So what would happen is that Butler would play that role.
He would play that anchor, roll till fifteen over and
then try to unleash. Under MacCallum, what's happened is that
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Butler wants to hit two boundaries in the first six
balls of his innings. YEA, that's a high risk approach.
Right kid, Joe route into the T twenty eight. Possibly
he's just did one hundred in twenty when you.
Speaker 1 (22:17):
Over see the ball as well.
Speaker 4 (22:18):
Yeah, as well.
Speaker 5 (22:20):
And you know what we are talking about England. Let's
praise Gotham gamb here. Let's praise what he has done
with eighteen.
Speaker 3 (22:27):
So I talking about Gotham Cambire, I just want to ask,
probably in the future, are we going to see Gotham
Campire as only a white ball coach? From what I
could see that sixteenth over, seventeenth over during that chase
one hundred and sixty odd in Sennai, he rushed out
to the field and had a word with Tilla Korma,
and Tila Korama told later that he Gotamambir told me
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to just hang around, just hang around till the end,
no matter what the other person is doing. These are
the kind of proactive things that we seldom saw in
the bottom Gasca Trophy. Yeah, that's why I'm asking, is
Gotham Gum were so good in T twenty is that
he's not He's you know, weighed down by the expectations
in test cricket. Probably we have to agree that is
not suited to test cricket probably is good in T
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twenty as we haven't seen the Odia side of it.
Also is a longer version of the game. We have
to see how he does in Sri Lanka. It was
a two nail defeated a three match series with one
match getting tied. So I'm throwing this question to you,
is got Beer hasn't We have to credit him, yes,
of course, but is he only gonna be good for
the white ball.
Speaker 1 (23:29):
Cricket in the future.
Speaker 4 (23:30):
I have said it earlier.
Speaker 5 (23:30):
Also, Gotta Kamber as a Test coach, he has We
have never seen got Beer coaching the first last side,
have we never? We did not know what he will
bring as a coach in red ball cricket. And his
first three series you win against Banadesh and then you
lose two series, first at home then away in Australia,
So your coaching will be a question. Now if you
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look at this side, this team is winning. It looks
like there's a plan in place for everything. Tilukarma, for
all we know, he played those two hundreds. He scored
two hundreds in South Africa. He attacked every ball in
this match. He knew when to attack, when to defend. Finally,
did that. Now, this side does not have a superstar
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who has the state stature over or more than Got.
So are you blaming I'm not blaming anyone, I think. No,
I'm not blaming anyone. I am just saying inexperiences at
the ball coach and his inability to influence the hole.
Speaker 1 (24:30):
That saying will be the alpha.
Speaker 5 (24:33):
I don't think if Got goes to the field and
if he tells Ron, they will say, okay, we are
going to limit this, but we have other plans. Also,
He's like, okay, coach, if you're saying this, will do this.
So there is a difference. And then Gambir is a
successful tituentay coach, so he has that confidence.
Speaker 3 (24:50):
So by your logic, only Servian Richards can go coach
the test team, which probably will.
Speaker 5 (24:56):
Listen succeeded as a test coach kind of one everything
that was at home. Why because he had a better
reputation and he had a better working relationship with Russian
the captain.
Speaker 4 (25:08):
I don't think Gambi and will share that relationship.
Speaker 1 (25:10):
No disrespect to you know other teams.
Speaker 4 (25:14):
Has Lashman not scoring runs has not helped it?
Speaker 3 (25:17):
No, but no disrespect to you know the logic or
the personalities involved. Then how did Matthew Mott find success
with England? How did Trevor Baillies find success Within Again
I'm saying this is only limited to India.
Speaker 5 (25:29):
No again, I'm saying that it's not just about it's
a compilation of things that got inexperience as at all.
Coach Fine, then your inability to handle pressure when you
go to Australia And the worst thing about in Australia
was he never accepted things. He's like, okay, we're down
to one. I will be happy. Had you asked me
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twenty days before this, I would haven't happy. This is
not how it works.
Speaker 6 (25:56):
I think when you said that he came down to
and said that just hang out. Why did you not
do that for the entire test series when we were
losing weekends in a bunch, Just come down randomly, a drinks,
just hang around guys. We can do this.
Speaker 5 (26:10):
We can do and and for a T and I
if I believe you don't have to plan in advance
like rubbish, as three has said for Obedity, he used
to plan from February before. I Appeel did not get
the time and the time that he got had not
used that time properly. So it's not just who has
to be questioned, he's coaching staff also because apart from Marcle,
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I don't see any player in that side, any coaching,
any one in that coaching side who succeeded in the
red work cricket. So there will be there are questions,
and I believe we need a different coach in red
ball and different captain also, But this side is giving
us good reasons to believe is a good limited over coach.
Speaker 1 (26:47):
I have two I I I have two points.
Speaker 6 (26:49):
If my ADHD does not kick in before that, I'll
complete two points. Okay, Okay, So I don't agree with
whatever you said, because you never agree.
Speaker 4 (26:58):
That's the one point.
Speaker 1 (26:59):
That's all I think.
Speaker 3 (27:00):
I think our listeners and viewers might have you know,
probably found, you know, understood the flow of this.
Speaker 1 (27:05):
It comes from here sort of says something.
Speaker 6 (27:07):
I don't agree with that, and then it's like your
right brain and your left braind functioning, they are at loggerheads.
Speaker 1 (27:15):
Whatever that. Let's see. Let's see.
Speaker 3 (27:16):
Okay, I'm eagerly waiting to see how you disproved.
Speaker 1 (27:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:20):
Absolutely, should I start by saying that I agree with
one of his points.
Speaker 1 (27:24):
You you have made the claim kicking made the tame
back made the game. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (27:28):
So in test cricket, India did play the best side
in the world, which was Australia in Australia in very
tough conditions.
Speaker 1 (27:35):
I agree with what what what you're saying that is.
Speaker 6 (27:37):
That the inability to manage egos, such strong egos in
the side, going up to them and saying and listen,
this is my plan.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Enable it. They're saying, ah, we have played more than you.
Calm down, We're going to take it. We'll play whatever
that is. So like that creates a disharmony of sorts.
Speaker 6 (27:57):
And it's also a transitioning side which doesn't have an
extremely like strong bunch throughout their lineup. But with the
T twenty I side, not only does he have the experience,
he also has Gamir Gambier have the experience of being
with LSC and even as captain, he he also has
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by his side who has worked with a lot of
these young kids in the domestic format. Now since the
since he has been handed over the already transition side
to the T twenty ice and is flaw.
Speaker 1 (28:30):
I don't agree with already already transition.
Speaker 6 (28:34):
Captain Washington's key positions from Miko past team say on
carryover like s Also, I'm not like taking into account
because he is also now shifting between.
Speaker 3 (28:49):
Credit when talk about that, when you talk about the
you know, you make, you make it look like the
transition already has happened. But I think the transition is
happening and it's very seamless.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
And yeah, and also who are the opponents that we
are playing? We played a half so in South Africa
and South Africa we did brilliantly like but that also
was not a gumby team.
Speaker 1 (29:08):
We have to talk about that.
Speaker 6 (29:11):
Then we are playing England, who are by all margins
that are batting orders absolute like trash trash stuff. We said,
I want to see Jacob, I want to see Ja.
He's a young young player, first time expression in India, right,
So I think that we have to like, you know,
like keep that into account when we make that argument.
That is a tremendous white ball coach and a trash
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red ball coach. So when we go to England now,
which is also again away tour.
Speaker 1 (29:38):
How many away tours the.
Speaker 4 (29:40):
That is what I'm saying. A home series.
Speaker 1 (29:48):
Is now written in stone, written in stone.
Speaker 6 (29:51):
So my thing is that we can only tick like
tick off Gumbier from that position of red ball coach
once the England Tour happens and another home season.
Speaker 1 (30:01):
That that that we see.
Speaker 6 (30:03):
My problem is that I think Gumbi is good in
T twenty as solely because of the point that you
mentioned is that transition sidegon. We can tell till Burma
he listen, play out ad, I don't care, play out, oh,
don't go to swing and we will see what.
Speaker 3 (30:19):
Then it eventually comes down to the superstar culture that
we have been cribbing over right, Like for instance, I'm
asking Matthew Mott Andrew McDonald what what Like I'm non
disrespect to them, but are they as big as Ricky Ponting?
Are they as big as Pat Cummins as Steve Smith?
But don't they listen to their coaches? If you have
brought in a coach who has to do your job,
then you have to so at least have the captain.
Speaker 6 (30:40):
Compare Gumbi ro Hit to Langer Cummins, not with McDonald Commins. Now,
now let's figure out where did that relationships hour they
want ashes Also with that, I think they won the
T twenty World Cup, also under landon Langer, but actually
have tasted T twenty success for the first time since
they were denied by the turage seventeen.
Speaker 4 (30:59):
Thirty and then they fired the court.
Speaker 1 (31:01):
Also no.
Speaker 6 (31:02):
Yeah, so also like one of the important things that
we have to look at there with that argument is
that T twenty World Cup twin only once can build
up under Langer's team. Eastern Agar was the preferred six,
number six, number seven. Suddenly in T twenty World Cup
when the when the rift apparently seems to start, Eshton
Agger gets dropped, they bring in one extra batter. They
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win that World Cup. After that they go to Ashes Ashes,
Jeta Langer is goodbye. I have never heard of an
Australian or an England creator losing their coaching job after
winning the Ashes.
Speaker 3 (31:35):
True, but again the superstar culture again, Pat come Ins
as Langer Again.
Speaker 5 (31:39):
I'm saying you, Pat Commins succeeded with McDonald's because he
is performing with the ball. And then, if I'm telling
you again, the moment a captain is performing with the
bat or the ball.
Speaker 4 (31:50):
His say increases.
Speaker 5 (31:51):
Yeah, it impacts your confidence, it impacts your performance, impacts everything.
Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (31:56):
From the time Gambir has been appointed, roots form has
been like that's a very important point.
Speaker 4 (32:01):
Not and I believe that is still out.
Speaker 5 (32:04):
He's still not come out from that sorrow mood where
he was like, Okay, it was my work wife. Now
I don't have my work wife. Maybe yeah. And you
see how Rosi has been whenever he was going, he's
influencing that team Mumbai.
Speaker 4 (32:21):
He was not losing. Anywhere comes in, they lose to.
Speaker 6 (32:24):
So that's also also because the fact there is that
that the movie disturbed combiners. The Mumbai openers who were
performing in and out in this season got replaced by
Jessuall and so that messed up the combination of the.
Speaker 4 (32:42):
Comes you lose. That is that's a little too hard
to that happened.
Speaker 3 (32:47):
All this Wait till the Champions Trophy end when he
plays those selfless.
Speaker 5 (32:51):
But I am I have a very very nightmarish thing
about champions stuff that this side with whatever dacing room
leaks we have had, I don't see this decide winning
the Champion Storpy.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
But do you are you blaming it on Are you
saying that Gumbier looked bad in Test cricket because of
road Sharma again asking you again.
Speaker 5 (33:09):
I started my point by saying that Gambir, we have
never seen Kair coach well side before he goes the
Indian site.
Speaker 4 (33:16):
Where is that experience?
Speaker 3 (33:17):
But I will agree with one point that because Sherman's
you know, confusion in the mind stems from the fact
that he is going through a very lean patch. Like
we pointed out in a couple of episodes before that
Ruth has never had this lean patch. Since the time
he came into this twenty nineteen tests, he has been one.
He was one of India's consistent performances in testate. And
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I think the tip in form and the clout in
the dressing room when you're not scoring runs yourself, what
will you probably go and tell We'readkoli? Who is you know,
fishing outside the off stump? That point I agree, But
I don't agree to this point of Ruth coming and
disturbing the balance everywhere. He will wait, we will talk
out of the championship. You see, you saw what happened.
Speaker 5 (33:57):
He has disagreed with the left right again, I'm saying
you gumber wins with Boom, gamber wins, where does not
win with.
Speaker 3 (34:07):
I have a little more I'm asking him the question,
are you blaming that he does not have that?
Speaker 5 (34:16):
But not how you're saying no, I'm saying this. You're
not laying that properly because Boomorra was not the captain.
He was standing captain and Boomra is a man.
Speaker 3 (34:25):
So you're saying that combination as as a combination is
not working.
Speaker 5 (34:29):
Yeah, because not scoring runs and then the EUO management
of Gambier when he's with it's not working at all.
It's just not working. I have to see it and
we will have to see how it does in this
championship before even how did you Gumbi and there your
captain and your best batter. Of everybody is saying that
he's a generational cricketer. He is. They did not perform, you.
Speaker 6 (34:53):
Know, how formed After that one particular ESPN tweet that
how he is transfer for me the cricket as a cat.
Speaker 3 (35:03):
But but you know, to talk abouta's form, he altered
his approach in T twenty so much that at thirty
seven probably switching back to red ball cricket and finding
that rhythm is very difficult.
Speaker 5 (35:14):
I'm again telling was your best best batter a cross
format in the last four five years any format.
Speaker 1 (35:20):
To take better than we're college exactly, no.
Speaker 5 (35:22):
Doubt about that. You can't compare with Art with this,
but his farm as his conference is low. Kami has
not been able to manage the egos of the star players.
And then he has never coosed the red ball side.
So there are a lot of factores play.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
So throwing a quick question, who can be a test
coach for India?
Speaker 1 (35:38):
If you want different red ball coach for India?
Speaker 5 (35:41):
You have tried Luxur when as your coach everywhere where
did not go and did not go, and he is
a successful Test cricketer, try him.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
Do you want Indian or non Indian? Bring back Jason Gill?
There is only one correct name waite for it.
Speaker 6 (35:56):
Brendan McCallum sing Oh. He said, he said it that
given a chance, he would want to give it to.
Speaker 4 (36:05):
Everybody wants to coaching and team.
Speaker 1 (36:07):
Probably the iron hand that Indian team needs.
Speaker 5 (36:10):
The iron hand does not know what to do, when
to do and what to speak when when he has
to speak, So you can't have that, Iran, Sorry, get.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
This quickly before we go. Sorry, no, please know?
Speaker 3 (36:23):
Yeah, So as in like do you see England coming
back in this twenty series.
Speaker 5 (36:29):
If so, how they can come back in this series.
They have everything everything in that squad. They have bowlers,
they have batters. The only thing is they have to
tell their coach you stop this bullshit of bass ball nonsense.
We're playing in India. Let us play god in the situation.
Let us plan out things.
Speaker 1 (36:47):
So basically do what did in Australia.
Speaker 4 (36:50):
No, but that again, I'm saying that, Butler.
Speaker 3 (36:54):
So there were reports which said that playing levens were
handed out differently. One playing leven was read out in
dressing room and gave another playing len in the toss.
Speaker 5 (37:03):
Because McCallum is one of the most coaches you'll ever have.
As a cricketer, he is, I love him. But as
a coach he's just wipes and entertainment, nothing else.
Speaker 4 (37:12):
And we have seen it.
Speaker 5 (37:13):
Were have England finish in w TC since McCallum became
the coach? Three times England have hosted final. Have they
played in final? Are they going to play this time?
Speaker 6 (37:22):
No?
Speaker 4 (37:23):
Why because your wife? You nothing else?
Speaker 5 (37:25):
You have a batter who is scoring the most number
of runs in the calendar year.
Speaker 4 (37:29):
Yeah, you pushed out James Anderson. You literally pushed him out.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
How long can he continue?
Speaker 4 (37:34):
Why why can't he continue?
Speaker 1 (37:37):
Like will say, I'll come back here taking.
Speaker 5 (37:39):
Wickets for you in England? Why can't he play? Giving
that respect?
Speaker 1 (37:43):
Yeah, but you want to face out thy seven year.
Speaker 5 (37:46):
Old one can win this series all day macclum goes
on all day for next season to day.
Speaker 4 (37:50):
I'm telling you, So, I think.
Speaker 6 (37:53):
Like England doesn't have the squad depth to do this
number one because for the first thing is that Bendett
cannot be your twenty eyes Benduckett.
Speaker 4 (38:02):
What Bat and Bendict whever.
Speaker 6 (38:08):
So I like, yeah, so that's my argument that that
level and level is much much different.
Speaker 1 (38:14):
So I'm not going to keep Benduckett.
Speaker 6 (38:15):
I'm going to open with Josh Butler and fill Salt,
and then I'm going to bring Bethel, who is not fit.
Speaker 1 (38:24):
The sickness or something.
Speaker 4 (38:26):
And was written by for three times in the same over.
Speaker 6 (38:28):
Yes, And I'll bring up Bethel and put Broukette four,
which will still keep my issue of squad strength, because
then Jamie Smith will have to be inducted in the
middle order and that will be very thin in terms
of experience. So I still think that, like the main
reason England cannot do it this series is because the
batting order does not have enough experience. But the only
(38:48):
way that they can even stand the chance just say
then sublow click career that duckat will have to be removed.
Speaker 5 (38:55):
You know, I'm telling you again in the second England
has had the chance till the nineteenth only because it
was Joe Butler's mind playing at the helm of Butler
tried everything in his heir, but how could he win
the match when he has the coaches, just wife's and entertainment.
Speaker 4 (39:12):
Nothing is just wifes enterainment.
Speaker 1 (39:14):
I just hope that it does not bite us back.
Speaker 5 (39:17):
I'm telling you they will win the series.
Speaker 4 (39:20):
This series, if Madam takes a hold.
Speaker 3 (39:24):
Will be writing a final prediction for India winning in England.
Speaker 6 (39:27):
And were we are definitely going to make him do that.
Speaker 4 (39:32):
If Louis is not the captain, we might win that.
Speaker 1 (39:34):
Why do you have I am? I gain and again
asked you this question.
Speaker 4 (39:39):
Because as a testator, he's just not there now.
Speaker 1 (39:44):
You know what will would what what we will do
with you?
Speaker 6 (39:46):
Like man, you both don't have points.
Speaker 4 (39:52):
You're saying this, you know I didn't say anything.
Speaker 1 (39:55):
I agree to that assessment.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
That you made our rules form how it is affecting.
Speaker 5 (40:01):
Disagrees, then he agrees, and then he disagrees. That is
what in the whole podcast. He has been doing that
for the last two years.
Speaker 3 (40:06):
As if if someone can you know, like I asked
him not to write that five minil copy for he
never listens to us.
Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, galify, this is what possibly is happening between Cambire
Androy out in the media. I come and say something else.
I dropped you, you dropped me, you know, I dropped myself.
Speaker 6 (40:25):
See all of this makes for a beautiful, beautiful book,
Like five ten years later. I hope some journalist is
close to some guy in that Indian team so that
this whole thing can come out.
Speaker 1 (40:35):
Yeah I would rather Yeah, but the PG has already hasn't.
But yeah we can.
Speaker 3 (40:40):
Since we have discussed quite a lot of topics, quite
a lot of you know, talking points, the T twenty
series prediction and what makes gamb be a good T
twenty a coach and what or what doesn't make him
a good test coach and whether Brendon McCallum is all
about vibes and entertainment only like sort of claims here
he doesn't have any inputs to give to the players, so.
Speaker 1 (41:02):
He just says, give me vipes and entertainment.
Speaker 3 (41:05):
That's probably the talking point that we need to get
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Speaker 1 (41:19):
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