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USA shool walkers for one? Arewe? Chaalion? Hi, Jessica,
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Hey Karbon? How are you?I'm doing okay, I'm hanging in there.
How are you doing well? I'mchanneling like a middle school art teacher
today. You know, I wasthinking because it's spring and it feels so
nice outside, well, not wherewe are. It's kind of hot and
windy right now. It's sort oflike being in a convection ove. And
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I thought maybe we could just takeit a little bit lighter right now.
And these are just some lighthearted cannibalismstories that I'd like, we're just gonna
change it up. We're not gonnatalk about, you know, small town
murder. We're gonna talk about smelltown cannibalism. Well yeah, but he
did get die first, so it'snot like, oh, cannibalism. Oh
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okay. You know, hey,I've got a question. If it was
presented to you in a very beautifulway, like the presentation was gorgeous,
and you were at a very highprofile, very sophisticated dinner and the entree
was human meat, did you tryit? I don't think so. I
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don't know how you can, like, unless somebody was like, this is
didn't tell you it was. Imean, that's the only way I can
think I would ever try it,is if but if I just saw like
the display and it was like clearlyhuman like fingers or something like, no,
there's a finger sandwich, but areal one, a knuckle sandwich.
Oh sorry, knuckle finger sandwich ismore like this. It's like a slab,
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like a high five. No,Like what if you know some people
are so taken by you know,fancy stuff and it's a delicacy. Oh,
it's a delicacy. If they wereif they told you this is like
three hundred dollars an ounce, it'sa delicacy, and they served it with
a nice verblanc. Okay, Like, how do you how do you think
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this would be prepared? I washuman prepared. I've never prepared it myself,
and I don't really have any friendswho have. But I would think
it would be much like beef.Oh, like a big fat cow,
like an old, sweaty cow.Maybe I don't know. Oh well,
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I think to me, I wouldI would picture it being like slow cooked
or like smoked or something, becauseI don't think it would be very good.
Like I don't think that the humanmeat would be as good as like
bacon. Oh yeah, well,nothing's as good as bacon. I can't
believe I'm saying that's I'm talking abouthuman I just wondering I would say,
slow cook that and make it,you know, disguise it. I'm so
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glad you said the word bacon becauseit ties into the story. Gone,
It's perfect. It's almost like weare sympatical. Okay, so we're not
leaving Michigan just yet. Oh really, Oh this is a Michigan, a
Michigan story. It's a Michigan cannibalThis is also an actual news story.
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I'm going to read it. I'mgonna i can This is from Flint,
Michigan. Murder cannibalism case leaves smalltown Michigan, really Morris, Michigan.
It's the type of town you wouldneed a reason to stop in. Okay,
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what's the reason. There's just afew businesses. A country diner,
a pizza place, a hardware store, two hair salons. Hmmm, two
hair salons, and a party store. Why a party store. I'm sure
it's where they sell the alcohol.That's that Michigan party stores. Yes,
the Michigan party stores are like gonnago have a party store not selling you
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know, confetti? Right, Okay, so I'm thinking like parties or us.
I'm thinking like, yeah, no, this is that's where you get
your alcohol as a party store.Since that makes sense. Okay, So
these are the little businesses that linethe one block downtown area of Morris.
It's spelled Maurice, but it's pronouncedhow do you spell Maurice? And my
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question, well, we would,we would spell m a u r I
C right, right, This ism o r r Ice. It's pronounced
Morris, Morris. Okay. TheShiawassee County community with a population of about
nine hundred, isn't used to gettingmuch attention. This changed a few weeks
ago. A twenty five year oldSchwartz Creek man was found dead in the
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basement of a nearby Bennington Township home. His name Kevin Bacon. No,
Kevin Bacon really? Yes? Ohmy god. Okay, so if your
last name is Bacon, you bettername your kid Kevin like I guess that.
I guess it's okay, okay?Or or Smokey. I think smoky
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Bacon is a cute name for akid. Mokey, Yeah, Smoky Bacon
or there. Yeah, yes.I don't think salty Bacon is a good
name. Salty is not a goodname, and Christy Crispy is not a
good name. But you know,I do know people named Smokey. Well,
I know people named Apple, AppleBacon, yeah, apple, oh,
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pepper bacon, pepper Bacon. Ifyour middle name is Wood, you've
got a lot of responsibility. Downbrown sugar, brown sugar sugar Bacon.
That's a sexy name. Sugar too, brown sugar sugar. Okay, just
so you know, have you everhad brown sugar nuts? I think it's
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called actually on the package? Okay, Okay, yes, I've had.
I've had all kinds of nuts.They're really good, by the way,
I do love nuts. Nice sugarnutmaybe it's called my sugarnuts, not brown
sugarnuts. Well, whatever they're called, I'm sure they're delicious anyway. Kevin
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Bacon, Kevin Bacon was dead.Kevin Bacon was That's the news line they
should have started with. I know. But why I think Kevin Bacon is
dead? I don't think they evena lot more. Kevin Bacon is like
this? You think, so?Well, what are the chances? Listen
how this story reads? Okay?Sorry, Kevin Bacon was stabbed in the
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back? Sorry? Was that duringfor It should have been? It should
have been that was that movie?My god? Okay. His body was
hung from his ankles, his throatcut like yes, just like a deer,
and parts of him were eaten.They didn't say which parts. Yeah,
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that probably wouldn't be something you'd wantto report, I guess, but
I want to know. I justwant to know. I would want to
know what parts, like, whatare the best parts are? What are
the best parts of a human?Okay, So police searched the house of
the man accused of killing him,possibly on Christmas Eve. Maybe Christmas Day
is when he did it. That'sthis is this is the news. Mark
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d Letunski, fifty years old,was charged with open murder and mutilation of
a body. In the case,and say anything about cannibalism, I guess
they're trying to brush that under therug. On January eighth, his attorney
submitted an insanity defense and the judgegranted the request to Testltunski for mental confidence.
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So he's going to be moved tothe Shiawassee County Jail the Center for
Forensic Psychiatry Neil near Saline or Salinefor evaluation. The process may take sixteen
or ninety days. If I werethose people there, I certainly wouldn't look
like a French fry or it athingdelicious? No? Is he insane?
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Yes, he's insane, Like Idon't know how much more you need from
that. Well, I don't knowwhat if you just got pissed at somebody
and you killed him and then youwere like, oh, I've got to
look insane. And so you can'tjust put a tinfoil hat on like the
old days. You have to dosomething extreme. You have to eat him,
do something extreme that they can notwithout a shadow of a doubt say
yeah, yeah, he's sane,he's normal, he's regular, he can
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stand trial. See if this wasme, I would look at the judge
and I'd be like, oh no, God, I would I would be
I would just play it to theend. I would be like, pardon
me, judge, you delicious.This story became a sensation. It was
appearing in national news all around thecountry. International media outlets were covering this
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story. I mean, I guessthere's just not enough cannibalism in the world,
right, Yeah, yeah, youdon't hear about that every day.
So Latunsky, Yeah Latunsky, he'sfifty. He went to school in this
town. So you know, maybethe twenty five year old Kevin Bacon broke
his record or something. I don'tknow. Here's some quotes from people in
the town, and this is veryserious. Just i'd like you sorry,
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I'm just thinking about all the differentthings. Okay, it's a sad situation,
and I feel for all the peopleout there that are involved with it,
said Harold Dickerson. The village islong standing president. Oh yes,
pre and and of what the village, the village and president is not capitalized.
Morris is. This is also veryimportant. I want you guys to
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close your eyes and get your Detroitor your Michigan map hands out. I
got mine already, Okay, Jessicaready to go. You could please put
up your Michigan hands so everybody cansee. Yeah, move it over a
little bit. I think we're inlower Michigan, so you can just take
off up the peninsula and use thatas a pointer. Morris is thirty five
miles southwest of Flint. Go locateFlint on your hand. It's twenty five
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miles northeast of Lansing, and it'sabout eighty five miles northwest of Detroit.
Right. I think they could havesaid, you know, it's in Flint.
Yeah, near Flint. So it'snamed after William Morris, a local
landowner in the nineteenth century. Alsovery important, probably a little bit more
important than the cannibalism. You know, they the industry fluctuated over the years
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from Lumbard Rail and you know allof that. Not a lot of work
going on there, so people mighthave been hungry too. But I'm thinking
about, like, you know,Flint, Michigan and all the issues happening
there right now. Maybe you know, just thrown it out there and the
water was the lead poison. Itcaused this person to go crazy and and
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eat somebody else. I don't know. I mean, Jeff Harris wants to
be on record saying it's a quaintlittle community. Oh, it's important information.
It's quaint, it's pretty important andmurdery, murdery and hannibally. Everybody
knows each other and they know howthey taste to. Yeah, sorry,
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it's ridiculous. Still. Jenny Oliveris the head librarian at the downtown facility,
so this makes me think there's morethan one library, which is always
a good sign. They're so friendlyhere, she said, I just love
this town. It's a good community. It's a really good community. The
kids call me miss Jenny. Thenews report, uh huh. That they
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work together, just very helpful,very kind people, very family oriented.
It's a real welcoming atmosphere here.So the population is also fluctuated. I
think, you know, with themigration of the agriculture and the automobile industry
in and out, and you knowthat poison water and all of that stuff,
I would think that would probably,But for the most part, it's
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our rural community. You know.Oh, my gosh, Litunsky's alleged involvement
in Bacon's grizzly death has sent ripplesto this small community. That's not something
we really want to talk about,said Harris. I have to stapy.
Did you just say bacon and grizzlyat the same like grizzle? Like it's
grizzly. That Bacon murder was verygrizzly. I'm sorry. Yeah, don't
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you hate that when you vite intoBacon and you get like a big chunka
grizzle. Oh, I like myfat crispy. So this town is so
quaint that they have homecoming parades everyyear and they include the farmers in the
homecoming parade. Those kids really knowhow to respect their elders, and they
know from which side their bread isbuttered, and also where the corn came
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from. For their grits. Again, here's another account of this fine reporting
in Michigan where they just barely touchedon the cannibalism and the grizzly murder of
Kevin Bacon, and then they justwent on to talk about the Morris High
School. It's just wonderful. Latunskyalso went to Central Michigan University from eighty
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seventh ninety one. Shiawassee County SheriffBrian Bigole Beagle cool because he also attended
Morris High School at the same timeas Latunsky, and said the family's name
is well known in the area.Oh Property records show the Latunski family owns
nearly one hundred acres of farmland offof West West High Railroad in Bennington Township,
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roughly three miles north of Morris,where Bacon's body was found inside a
secret room in the basement. Okay, so I'm just going to go out
on a limb here and guess thatthis was not his first to kill,
Like, I'm sure it wasn't,because but he ate the rest, like
right or no? Possibly? Yeah, because if you already have a secret
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room and a lot of acres ofproperty, I mean that that doesn't sit
right with me. You know,well, he knew how to dress a
deer obviously, I mean people inthat area know how to hunt. Yeah,
or evenly, I wonder if youhave to bleed a human like you
do, like a cow or adeer. I'm gonna say probably, But
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I don't really want to know.I don't either. I don't either.
I don't want to. For therecord, neither Jessica or Carmon want to
eat people. The Howard Cemetery,located across the road from the home,
includes headstones for multiple members of theLitunski family. So this guy lived across
the street from where his family wasburied. Also, there were warning signs
at the house before Bacon's body wasfound. Oh okay, well yeah,
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a month before, prosecutors say Latunskikilled Bacon. Police responded to the house
after another man was seen fleeing fromit wearing only a leather kilt. A
leather kilt, Okay, So Ithink because I think, because this is
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a small town and they still hemay have family there, And also because
it is a small town people,you know, they still want to preserve
the reputation of the cannibal. Theydidn't want to say, what really happened
was the guy was fleeing his housewearing a leather skirt, right, because
only unless it was really identifiably akilt. You know how the different areas
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where you can kind of see alittle bit more, you know, like
more air, the pleats, Yeah, the pleats and some that little bag
that they wear over there, Yes, their private right, it's hilarious.
Yeah it does. Yes, there'sall We're usually made out of a fabric
like wool. Yeah, leather isnot what I think of when I think
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of a kilt. Because this isprobably how the story went down. Oh
yeah, about a month ago,I saw a guy just running and he
was screaming, and he was wearinga skirt. It was a man and
a skir. I thought that wasweird. But he was yelling and he
ran out of the house and Ithought, my god, what are they
doing in there? Why is hetrying on skirts? That's probably how the
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story went. And they were like, oh, we can't report that he
was wearing a skirt. He stilllives here. It was a kilt,
that's say. It was a leatherkilt. Yeah, he was only wearing
a leather kilt. Only, andhe was also a younger man told police
he had been chained in Litunski's basement. Oh my gosh, that's not a
warning sign to like arrest somebody.At this point, he did not want
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to press criminal charges, however,And I'll bet you I know why.
You know so this hair, Yeah, there's a lot of methamphetamine use and
it is really crippled by addiction.Yeah, so it's possible that these young
men Kevin Bacon was twenty five.It's possible that these young men meet Latunsky,
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who may have an appetite for youngergentlemen, sort of a fetish.
I think appetite is the river.For sure. His sexual appetite cannot be
quenched with one young man. Itwas really delicious, delicious, Okay.
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So. Records obtained by the FlintJournal reveal deputies were also called out to
the house a dozen times in adecade. The reasons ranged from a custody
dispute with Latunski and his ex wifeover their four children to an episode Yeah
four kids, to an episode inwhich Latunzi claimed he was someone else who
killed Mark Latunski. What he was? Somebody else that he claimed he was
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someone else who killed Mark Latunski.So he killed himself, but he's somebody
else that killed himself, but nowhe's him. Yeah, here's an impostor
here's a tiny little footnote. Thefifty year old has a documented history of
mental illness. But folks in thetown knew what they heard. Oh my
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gosh. They they didn't want togo around spread and gassa Michelle Michelle Eddington,
one of the employees at H andM Salon, And I don't think
it has any affiliation with the Hand M stores. Okay, Morris said,
the chatter about the incident was shatterthe good, the gossip, let's
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be honest with stinky cheese. Justkind of in hearsay, or I heard
this, or I heard that theyactually quoted a woman saying this. Let's
say it again, just kind ofin hearsay, or I heard this,
or I heard that. Nothing otherthan that was going on. Oh that's
very informative. It's really important.I thought they got her note in there,
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Yeah, her name, Yeah,it was important. And her salon.
So if you ever need a littletrim or you need your roots touched
up, please go to the Hand M Salon. In Morris, Michigan.
I remember it's twenty five miles fromFlint. Don't drink the water.
Please bring your own bottled water water. Nothing other than what's going on or
the news in the news that peoplehear, she said, another crazy person.
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Just another crazy persons eating people.You never know what they are or
how it's going to come out.You just never know what people are thinking
or what's going on in their brains. I think we probably can know that
most people, hopefully most people arenot sitting around thinking like I wonder what
she Yeah, yeah, first I'dlike to make love to that young man,
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and then I want to kill himand eat his body. That's not
okay, it's just wrong. Okay, it's just there's like layers of wrong
not to be overshadowed. There werealso two other deaths that they felt was
necessary to mention in this article.Morris community was already grappling with the deaths
of two locals when the Litunski storyhit Well himself. He died, well
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he did, yes, dianere reallyDiane turn It that's right, Jessica,
So four four oh four okay,yes, four in total? Yep,
Miss Diane Turner. The owner ofDiane's Country Kitchen suddenly died on December twenty
sixth. She was fifty five yearsold, targeting and working at the diner
as a waitress before she moved upand became the owner. That is that's
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a small town success story right there. And this also is according to Dickerson,
the long standing village president, therewas also one more, a sophomore,
a sophomore girl. Now this isa sad story. Yeah, she
was fifteen years old. She diedof influenza on December twenty eighth. So
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they got the dates a little.I think the writing in this was a
little bit because apparent oh oh no, they found Kevin Bacon's body after.
It was a while after, butthey believe he was killed around Christmas Eve
or Christmas morning. This said KevinBacon, I'm sorry because this little girl
died on She was a sophomore atMorris High School, which is situated just
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north of downtown area. She diedon December twentieth. So again it's very
important that people know, like wherethe location, Yeah, where it happened.
They'd be like, oh, Iknow that girl died, but what
for the life of me, Ineed to know where was her high school?
Was that on Smith Street or wasthat on Apple Blossom Drive? Because
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it's important to be able to grieveCarmen, you know it is, and
you have to know where you werewhen it happened. So like if you
were a black away, you weremore influenced by the death compared to if
you were a little bit further away. Yeah, I knew her. I
went to high school at the sametime as Latunski, but I was in
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California. So I just want tosay that just so you know. This
is like one of the this isa big takeaway from this whole story of
cannibalism too, is after MS.Turner's death, a lot of people were
sad because they look at that buildingacross the street and it used to be
filled up where people would get theirfood and they were co mingling. Big
word for a small town. Thenyou lose something like that, it trashes
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your ecosystem. That's a ecosystem.Yes, that diner, not the death
or of Kevin bay Kid or theman running in a kilt had been locked
in a basement, but that dinerbrings people in and we feed all of
them, and we feed off thatterrible quote. Oh, that's a really
bad quote for a cannibalism story.It's really nice. Yeah, it's really
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weird looking out on that street andnot seeing cars in front of the restaurant.
It just died because she died.Well, she was the waitress and
then she was the owner, sowhat else is going to happen? But
she also the cook and there wasno other staff to keep it going.
That's kind of weird. And itsays here of the young girl, missus
Hobrook, young Lady Hobrick in herobituary she loved her school, the teachers
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and those she called friends. Sheloved doing arts and crafts and helping others.
Sorry, I'm not trying to laughat the death, but I just
think, yeah, she loved herfriends. In other words, along with
playing along with playing basketball, softballtracks with an is Oh, I still
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don't know what he ate. Idoesn't say I would say no. I
mean not to make light of thesituation at all. I just you know,
these are things like like I justcan't wrap my brain around it.
Here the cheeks, the cheeks,Yeah, cheek meat is very tender on
all animals really, so like beefcheeks maybe, Oh yeah, beef cheeks
are good. Dish cheeks are reallygood. I don't know, like if
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he's more ritualistic, if there wassome meaning behind why he killed people,
or I bet you there's something heate that meant something to him. I'm
sorry, I don't even want togo there, but I'm sure it isn't
that's what it was. Is itsomething that would be covered by a bathing
suit or a kilt or leather kilt? Yeah? Do we know it's leather
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or was it it's a leather aleather kind of leather people leather? Maybe.
I don't think Letonsky was an artsykind of guy, and I don't
think he did that. I thinkhe just you know, like I guess,
you know, if you are ina situation where you have to eat
something. Let's say we're crossing thecountry and we had to eat a cow,
we'd probably want to start with thetender bits first, the testicles,
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oh oh, and then so let'sI'm sorry, but I just want to
know, like, Okay, whatdid he eat? What part? And
then how did he eat it?You know, like was it cooked?
Was it like oh, like wasit like pete or Was it like human
tartar? Oh, my gosh,man meat carpaccio with some delicious balsamic glaze.
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I'm not hungry anymore. Did helike take it upstairs? And did
he like fry it? Did hedid he bake it? Did he just
put it on the barbecue? Girl? Did he like you said, smoke
it? Cut part of the buttoff and marinate it, and they smoke
it? But I yeah, dryrep. I think that that's probably if
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there was anything to be eaten,it'd be the butt or the to say,
is well, okay, but allthings that are covered with a bathing
suit or a kilt, because youwouldn't want to eat like ears or like
gristle. Right. Oh, isit possible that he thought Kevin bab No?
Because there was the guy before.I wonder what that guy's name was.
Wouldn't it be funny. He's aliveso we can say this, But
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wouldn't it be funny if his namewas like David Ham? I know that's
the thing. It may be therewas a type people named after pig meats
or any kind of meat. Well, what what is the last name that
has that's a meat? Oh?Trout? Trout's was the last name,
Edgar Trout. It could have beenEdgar Trout, It could have been Solomon,
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Solomon Greer, nobody had nobody's namesSolomon Grierre and nobody. He's very
fancy, though, you should benamed that. Okay, so let's say
we have a before we close.I'd like to think of a few more
meat names. But there's like EdgarHam, Harry John. I'm sorry,
that's a meat, but is thatthe kind of meat we're talking about?
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Saucy, aren't you? She embarrassedherself. Folks, Jessica's gonna take a
moment to compose yourself and get ridof a flaming red ship. She didn't
even say the words porn up fromthe FLOORA oh my god. You know,
maybe we could go to that smalltown Jessica and open that diner.
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I would call it, you know, something clever though, I mean,
after this cannibalism, you know you'regonna have to get some attraction. We
could call it shake and bacon,shake and bacon, brown sugar bacon,
bacon. But shake and bacon.I like that shake and bacon. Every
recipe has bacon in it. Youcould call it something after Kevin Bacon like
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Poo Cafe or something, and everythingbe Kevin Bacon themed. Footloose has two
meetings Kevin Bacon. But also itpossibly could have been the body part that
came loose. Oh I wonder whyI wouldn't you know that they never even
mentioned why they went to his houseto look for this guy. Yeah,
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we know all about everything else aboutthe town, but we don't know and
like people's concerns and stuff, butagain we don't know why or what's wrong
with people's brains. The latter,lady, it's the latter interesting that they
bring up a bunch of other deathswhen somebody has been eaten. Yeah,
naturally they did say they didn't reallylike to talk about it too much.
Right, You don't want to bethe town that has the cannibal guy or
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men who wear leather killed, andyou know, God helped the young man
who was wearing the leather killed.Because in a town of three hundred and
fifty or nine hundred, oh mygosh, you have to move to Flant
and just drink the water, poorguy. You can move to Arizona,
sir. In Tucson, we welcomemen who wear kilts with open arms.
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It might be a little warm,little sticky, little m word for a
leather kilt. Yeah, but youknow you're gonna need some breatheable fabrics.
I don't. I think we're gonnahave a bigan dinner tonight. Thanks everyone
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