October 29, 2024 • 34 mins
We’re peeling back the eerie origins of Halloween, Scottish-style—where carving pumpkins would’ve gotten you side-eye from a town full of turnip-wielding revelers. Turns out, Scotland’s Halloween celebrations involved veggies that look way scarier than anything you’ll find on a Pinterest board. And let’s not forget Jenny Greenteeth, the local hag of nightmares who perfected drowning people with style.
Karmen and Jessica are diving into why the Scots first started hacking away at turnips, and exploring some delightfully dark lore from around the globe. Because nothing says Halloween like folklore that might just inspire you to sleep with one eye open.
For those who think our current holiday’s a little basic, come get your frightful fix the way it was originally served—one terrifying turnip at a time. Don't miss your exit.
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Karmen and Jessica are diving into why the Scots first started hacking away at turnips, and exploring some delightfully dark lore from around the globe. Because nothing says Halloween like folklore that might just inspire you to sleep with one eye open.
For those who think our current holiday’s a little basic, come get your frightful fix the way it was originally served—one terrifying turnip at a time. Don't miss your exit.
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Speaker 1 (00:05):
Navigating to small town USA shool workers.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
For one.
Speaker 3 (00:28):
Are we Chalian?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
My face looks so weird.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
No, it does not.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're recording. By the way, Hi, Jessica Carbon, how are
you doing? Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm getting ready for Halloween. Carbon. I had by my
candy this week?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, by what kind of candy did you get?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
End up?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know, I go back and forth because chocolate, I
think is always more preferred by kids. That's my That's
what I think anyways. But I don't always love the
chocolate sap. I like some of them, like the gummy
Bears and the Skittles and the so like, I'm trying
not to buy off of my preferences and go off
of the more popular ones, but I kind of selfishly
(01:19):
want so I got a mixture this time. Yeah, and
hopefully then there'll be some leftover. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
We bought a bunch of candy for my mom's eightieth
birthday and we didn't eat it because we didn't do
theta that's right. But you know, yeah, we'll use this
for Halloween. Because I had a bunch of really good
chocolates and well they were Hershey's, but you know, in
that Hershey bag. There was there was the Reese's Peanut
butter cups. Yeahs, and so this is this is how
(01:49):
I eat those. I go, uh Snickers and Reese's Peanut
butter cups are like the first or or kit Cat.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah. So that's like, you know, kind of a three
way tie. Once I get rid of those, once I mean,
once I consume all of those, and I'm like, I'm
eating the Milky Ways.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Oh yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, Milky Way.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I love them on in there, like in the fridge
or in the freezer freezer.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Oh yeah, I love the milk.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Like a toffee almost, like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I can shatter them in your mouth and just
chew that hard. Oh yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
The other one that's really good in the freezer is
a Charleston Chew.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh yeah, you had that. Course I lived on Charleston
Cheo's when I was in fifth grade. I never, I
never really liked the strawberry ones.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But no, uh no, no, no, I like the original original.
You know. What I'm really liking now is like those
the Kinder stuff. Have you ever had any of the
Kinder chocolates? The well Bleno is one of them. Right,
But there's other ones. Those are really good too. I
(03:04):
love the chocolate piece of it, and I love hazel nuts,
so anytime they incorporate that hazel nut chocolate filling is
so good. But you don't really get those very often
because they're more expensive.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I found some uh, some little cookies at Costco.
And but let me go back to the chocolates, because
oh yeah, yeah, when I'm on the Three Musketeers, I'm
like pretty desperate, right, and I won't eat just a
plant hershey bar anymore. Okay, that's a lie. That's a
fucking lie. I will eat a plant of hershey Bar.
(03:35):
I will, but I won't like it. I won't like it.
I won't enjoy it. I won't enjoy it all the way.
But yes, so my thoughts of just keeping that candy
until Halloween have been dashed by my own plutany.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And now are you're in the market for a new
bag or I'm gonna go get so Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
We also did down a whole Costco sized bag of
gummy bears too. Yeah, like that that's such a rip off.
They put like four gummy bears in there. Is that
really a serving much? You have to throw into the
ocean to get, you know, up on gummy bears.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I know you gotta get like the
big just the big bag.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, the families where you can see the land in
there and just pull it out and clumps.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, you know. They're big claim to fame, just like Twizzlers,
or that they're fat free, right, fat free? Oh really yeah,
but not sugar free.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, not sugar free because.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They don't add any fat there.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That's right. Oh you know what else? Gluten free?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh sure, gluten free, but I'm not free.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I found these cookies and they're like the wafer you know,
the you know those wafers with the crunchy and their layered.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yes, yes, oh my gosh, yes, I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So there. I'm not gonna be a hazelnut girl, but
they have some hazelnut and it's better than it's better
than Natalla. The flavor is more it's less sweet, more nutty,
but it's like that kind of filling, that same texture
and consistency in the a square wave for cookie. And
(05:18):
they're only like ninety calories at Costco. Yeah, you get
a whole bag. And I scored twice because I bought
them and they were very reasonable, and my husband doesn't
really like them, so.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Oh so you end up getting them all years, all
for me, all night. I know, I really love I really.
Have you ever had any family member or sorry not
family members, well maybe, but in your neighborhood when you
did a trick or trading. One of the biggest leutdowns
is like having a dentist in your neighborhood. Have you
(05:52):
ever received like a toothpaste and toothbrush for Halloween or something?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah? I was like, no, thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
A little that's his brush your teeth or something.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Teeth?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Okay, great, thank you very much. I'm sure it was
left over in your little treasure chest there.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah. Yeah, we did have a treasure chest too. I
liked my dentists used to give us. His name was
doctor Harry the Tooth Fairy, and I loved him. He
was really a good dentist for kids.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, sure, but it sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah. And he had these really cool ceramic figurines.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yes I had, Yes, they were Yes, that's what I got.
Dentist Dan was my guy dentist d and he just
recently passed away. I heard. Yeah, but Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
An abscess tooth metal poisoning. Oh we're laughing at doctor
Dan Denis Dan's demise, say that three times fast. I
wonder where. I wonder where Doctor Harry the Tooth Fairy
is now. But you know what, he was a cool
He had a big mustache and he had kind of
longer hair for a you know, a dentist. But I
(07:07):
dig that, you know, and he had cool. Oh god,
I could not wait to get into that ceramic spin.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yes, they had different little figures like dogs. He must
have went to the same convention maybe. Yeah, I had
a colection.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh I did too. Are you paint them?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, yes, yes, And if you were hungry, they tasted
just like the stick in a fund dep not kidding,
I'm kidding, but they did have the same consistency. Yeah.
So anyway, I'm pretty excited about Halloween. I did I
have I'm gonna dress up this year. What are you
gonna be a unicorn? Of course?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Nice? Are you gonna actually like be a unicorn or
just like faux unicorn?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like, listen, I am a unicorn. What I'm gonna do
is go ahead and express outwardly what is inside of
me every day. So I did buy a costume that
is an inflatable nice.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I was wondering if that's what you mean. Okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It has a battery pack. But so, you know, we've
been talking about witches, and we've been talking about Halloween,
and I found something out that I find incredibly fascinating.
Being in the Southwest, you know, we're we celebrate Dia
de las Mortos and it's it's a big deal. And
(08:34):
you know, I've just thought, well, of course, you know,
people must have made Halloween because duh, yeah, it all
makes sense, it's all the right time of year. I
found out that Halloween it's actually a Celtic holiday. Oh yes, yes,
so it's origins are traced back to ancient Celtic festival,
(08:57):
the ancient Celtic festival.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Of oh soin that does sound fair.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yes, but it's spelled s A M H A I
N so makes sense right, But I was thinking, yeah,
exactly right. I was going to sound it out and
it spread out son and the celt celebrates Saloyen on
October thirty first, the night before their new year. They
(09:25):
believe the spirits of the dead return to Earth on
that night, so it's very similar to.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
The Day of a Dead, right yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Except you can spell dia de los mortos a lot
easier than sounding out suren. And so that there they're
dead returned to earth on that night, and the boundary
between the worlds of the living and the dead was blurred,
so people could cross over or cross over, yes, which
(09:57):
is always a cool thought for me. You know, I
love anything that can cross over into the spirit world,
like hummingbirds for instance.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And so they celebrated with bonfires. You've got to have
a bonfire, you've got to have dancing, you've got to
wear costumes, divination. Yes, they also set bonfires on hilltops
to relight their hearth fires for winter and scare away
any evil spirits.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And they did do like they did do decorations. So
what was it like?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Was it like a instead of Okay, it wasn't pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, it wasn't pumpkins. They carved turnips turnus And I
saw some of the scary turnips that were carved. I
was looking. I was terrifying.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Well, a turnup itself is already very ugly, right, I think. Anyways,
it's not it a you know what I'm talking about,
Like a little it's got like a little depending on
what they are. If maybe they're purple and like sometimes
got that itchy it almost look like a hair on them,
like hair, like a really old skin kind of yes, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And as they dry up, that outer layer, the purple layer,
the purple and white layer does wrinkle up like skin.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
They if you don't carve them, they just like old,
look like old testicles with hair. But if you carve them,
they look like shrunken heads and they're scary.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They didn't put candles in them. They just carved those and.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, just wow, so do they did? They? What kind
of carved? They just didn't make like fun pictures like
we do now, Like they're all like of people.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They had eyes, eyes and mouths and nose, so they
were they were people faces, but they were scary people face.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I wonder what's the purpose of the carving, Like why
did it start? I wonder what's the meaning behind the carving.
Was it maybe to represent like.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Spirits or I don't know, maybe to board off evil spirits.
I don't maybe I didn't get that far in, but
I was just so, I mean, we know why the
jack O lantern is carved? Yes, yeah, that's also an
Irish folk tale of Stingy Jack roam the world with
a lantern made of a turn up. Oh yeah, interesting,
(12:33):
I never caught that stingy Jack jack a lantern. Well,
I mean, how big does it have to be.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
A lot of lantern need for lanterns so that they
wouldn't just they made them out of their tournament turnups,
you know?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah? And uh yeah, but I think of the cars
of turnips this year.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think you can. You know. I was
watching the show Outrageous Pumpkins. Have you ever seen that show? Oh,
it's so cool and they have the carvings like you're
talking about where it's like this realistic people faces on
huge pumpkins, you know, and like they do a bunch
of different things. They tell a story with the pumpkins,
and then sometimes the requirement is to actually make a
(13:20):
jack a lantern, which that is a punch through. Sometimes
you don't have to punch through, but this one has
a punch through, and so they have I mean, just fabulous.
But they don't just use pumpkins. They use things like
turn ups, potatoes, I'm trying to think of eggplant one time.
So just to create like different features in their storytelling.
(13:40):
It was so cool as the first for I don't remember,
but it was something and what's not what you think though?
There were no.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I saw a beautiful pumpkin. They took one of the
white pumpkins. They got a bit orange pumpkin m hm,
and they cut like an eye shaped hole, you know, yeah, yeah,
and an almond shaped hole. And they took a smaller
white pumpkin and they put it inside. Sure ye had
(14:16):
painted the eye on it. It was beautiful. And I
always see these gorgeous pumpkin carvings and I think I
could do that, and I have tried more than a
few times, and mine always end up looking like.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
It's it's so funny because then like on the show,
they say like what they use, and you would never think, oh, yeah,
I guess that I need to purchase one of those things,
like a uh trowel tool for like uh flooring, like tiling,
you know, to get like grooves and stuff. And like
they figured it out. I mean, they made it easy.
They're just going to town on like getting everything carved out,
sing out all the guts.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's just like, holy crap, I can't that's the part
that takes the longest for me. I would do in
that the guts trying to get because I'm a perfectionist,
Like I don't want things hanging around. I'm going to
get all of it out.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah. You know what you could use in there? You
can use a beater, your hand mixer.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh yeah, hand mixer.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, I saw that hacked, Like, yeah, I thought I
invented that hack. Damn it.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You might have, but someone stole it because it's on
It's on YouTube or Facebook or something. I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, everybody takes my ideas, you know, I think this
is what the problem is with depression and ADHD. It
takes me longer to get to my computer and jot
this stuff down and get it to the patent office
then it should and then somebody else thinks of it.
So you know, I need to do better. I'll do
better next year.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm always coming up with fantastic.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, you just got to say it out like, put
it on paper next time. Yeah, that way, Yeah, can
get it out there. Check now, there's so many ways
you can double check too. Just type it into Google.
Nobody has it, then you better claim it right there.
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, yeah, I mean I invented the hot rock massage
a long time ago when I was a kid. Yeah yeah, yeah,
So just saying.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, Carmen, I you know, we've been talking about witches
and kind of like our famous witches here in the US,
but there's some really really scary witches or folklore of
witches around the world, and I want to just kind
of go through some of those. Get your reaction to
some of these. Something really spooky, but someone was kind
of cool. It's an explanation for phenomenon that is happening, right,
(16:46):
how about this? Hmm?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
How about you tell me what the witch is famous
for and I'll give you a reasonable explanation. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So the first witch is this is some of these
names are really hard, so I apologize for butcher eat
some of these. But the first witch is Kiki Mora.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Basically she leaves wet footprints. Wet footprints. So, Carmen, why
do you think that is? Like? What, what what is
the purpose of doing that?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Does she leave wet footprints after her death?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
No, So what's happens is like when people see wet
footprints and they don't like you can't like there's not
an explanation for them. They say that's Kiki Mora and
there's more. Yeah, there's more there.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But I would say she was probably a victim of
domestic violence, which is never funny. I'm not making a joke.
She was probably drowned by her husband, and that is
the guilt and her spirit coming back to haunt people.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Mm hmmm, you're so close. Like it's so it's a
similar story. But basically it's a spirit who wants to
be respected, a female spirit who wants to be respected.
So like her presence is always known by like the
wet footprints on the floor that you don't have explanation,
(18:33):
or maybe you hear like a dishes breaking and you
don't know where it came from something like that, or
throwing things around you didn't you don't know what how
did it happen? Or things get broken, like who did that?
So it's because she feels disrespected in her house. So
I don't have explanation as to why she's feeling just
(18:54):
maybe it was something like that or her spirit, like
before she was a spirit, maybe she was in that
type of relationship. But it's always the female feeling like
disrespect and that's why she's breaking things. It's an explanation.
Or there might be like a whistle, and she's usually harmless,
is what people say, but that you want to stay
on her good side, you don't want to disrespect her.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I yeah, I want to say, Kiki Mora, if you
really want to be respected, don't track up people's houses
and don't break their dishes. Now what, go into the
men's bedroom and shake the hell out of his bed.
It'll scare him and they will have a deep respect
for you after that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Okay, So the next one I have is Jenny Green Teeth. Okay, yeah,
Jenny Green Teeth.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I think I went to school with someone named Jenny
Green Teeth.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Okay, so this is kind of mean, But what she
would do is intentionally drown young people and old people
were just fun.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay. Yeah, So maybe maybe she was a woman who
had been teased so much for having poor dental hygiene
that she was embarrassed to go to the pool, and
so she took her revenge out on people at the
pool or in the probably didn't have pools, but I'm
(20:24):
sure they had fishing holes, and so she would just
drown them. You know.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Again, I don't think you're like that far off. But
what happened was in England. It's a folklore in England
Jenny Green Teeth, also known as Jenny or Genie or
Wicked Jenny, she would intentionally drown the young and old
just for fun, and in some legends she'd actually eat
(20:49):
the children or old people. In others, she's just a
statist who enjoys the pain, right, So that's kind of
a worst version of it. I don't know which is worse, actually,
I'm not sure, like just because she needs food or
because she enjoys pain, I don't know, suffering up other people. Anyways,
(21:09):
she is frequently described as having that green complexion just
like we kind of known, which is to be maybe
that's where it come froms I don't know. And she
would scare children into behave, into behaving and staying close
to the water's edge, and then she would be pretending
like swim and so they would oh, come on in
for a swim, you know, and that sort of thing,
(21:32):
and kids would fall for that, and that's what she
would do, what she pull them in. So the moral
of that folklore is to not play too close to rivers.
That was what they would say, you know, especially the
Green River, and stay away from Green River haggs is
literally what the.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Course, Yeah makes sense.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Who are the Green River haggs? I guess, Jenny ra.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, in Wyoming, there's a town called Green River. Oh jeez,
And I could probably name a few of the hags there. Kids.
I don't know anybody there anymore, but I was there.
I lived there when I was a kid.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, there you go. So don't go near any Green
rivers because in case you might get pulled in by
the Green River hag, which I hate that word, by
the way, but I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, see that's the whole thing, Like you go around
calling a woman a hag so much she's gonna pull
you in the river. Yeah, I may deserve it.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Okay, So one last switch for today. I am gonna
butcher this name.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So you know it is an old, old story of fate.
This is the spelling g R A E A E
g ya maybe greyea gray yeah, yeah, yeah, and more.
And they are the spinners of fate. Have you heard
of the Greek the story of the spin of Fate.
(23:03):
They are often lumped together because they are actually two
separate trios of witches. So Graya, Graya, whatever and Mora
are actually six witches. If I read that, two separate
trios of witches who understand how fate works and they
(23:24):
can control fate. More spun the loom of fate, and
everyone's fate was tied to their loom. The looms of
fate right, and even those of Gaunts. Their fates were
in the hands of Moray and gray A. On the
other hand, it was three malevolent sisters of Gorgans. The
(23:49):
gray A were not the friendliest of the bunches. They
did share an eye, so they couldn't have eyes, but
they had one eye they passed to each other when
they needed it. I get yes, they shared it. And
gray also had the knowledge of the unknown and of
the fate, but they didn't control it, so they could
(24:09):
predict and see. They were like the fortune tellers, but
they did not get to actually have any control over
that fate. So I don't know which is worse. You
know which a group of witches that could control fate
or a group of witches that are evil that could
see the future. They could actually snip your string of life.
(24:31):
In other words, in Greek mythology stronger than God because
they could snip their line of faith.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
There's a lot of scary stories of which is sharing
an eye. You know, just the thought of that is
really kind of amazing. You know, I could see how
somebody would be disgruntled if they had to share an eye,
and if you don't have your eye, you might accidentally
snip somebody's.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, I think I think witches are misunderstood. Yeah, and
I saw I saw a shirt the other day, but
I just I wanted to get it said witches are women.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
They can't be a male. It's that would be like
what a warlock, yeah, I guess, or a wizard or
a wizard. Yeah, Harry Potter, I think they've clarified that
for us, they must be wizards instead of witches.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think women can be wizards.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
We're not the all sayers. I mean, if you want
to be a wizard, be a wizard. If you want
to be a witch, be a witch. I guess absolutely absolutely, Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I think I think it's an equal opportunity job.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Did you were you ever scared of witches growing up, Carmen?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
No, because I always felt like I might be one.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So for me, I was and scared necessarily of just
like the witch that for me, which I now know,
you know, people practice like witchcraft or paganism, that sort
of thing, But I always remember being scared. I lived
in the wilderness, you know, in Michigan, and no like
no lights anywhere in the trees, you know, and there's
(26:15):
a lot of spooky things that I feel like happen
when there are and I always felt like there was
just like witchcraft happening. I don't know it, just I'm
sure there was spooky. Yeah, I'm afraid a lot of
the dark.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, I'm afraid of that stuff now to this day,
like people who practice Satanism, and I mean, it's not
anything to dabble with, you know, it's not anything to
play around with, honestly, conjuring spirits. You know, spirits should
be left to do their own thing, quite honestly. I mean,
(26:54):
if you're visited, it's a different thing than trying to
call them in or spin them in or whatever. But yeah,
I was a kid, I was afraid very much. Of
My biggest fears as a child were the devil, going
to church and Charles Manson. Oh yeah. So I grew
(27:18):
up in the seventies and this was Helter Skelter time,
and so I had I had Bible school, which taught
us about the devil and you know, like if you lie,
you go to hell and you're going to burn and
fire forever, which is terrifying because how many kids you
know haven't lied, And it's all it's all like, you know,
simple things like yes, I ate all my dinner, or
(27:40):
no I didn't eat that cookie or whatever, but you
think you're going to hell. And I would lay awake
at night just terrified. And then I would hear my
mom she was so she was so freaked out over
the whole Helter Skelter book. And then there was there
was a movie I made for TV movie and they
(28:01):
watched that, and you know my bedroom is like right
there by the leaving room. Yeah, and I would hear
them talking about that, and I believe me, I lost
so many nights sleep over Garls Manson. And it's freaking
douvil I.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, I as a kid, I wasn't just the wilderness,
but like growing up in like older houses and stuff,
I just felt like there was something very wrong there
in my bedroom at my father's house. It was built
in the eighteen hundreds when the mines kind of opened
up in that area, and it was old house, I mean,
(28:44):
super old, and I don't know what my room used
to be or whatever, but I do remember just being
up so scared, just can't close my eyes, the lights
kind of flickering, and thinking, what the heck, you know,
why would the lights be going up and not just
like flicker like up and down, you know, TV's turning
on at my closet door opening. I always felt like
(29:07):
there was just something totally evil in that closet. There
was just this feeling and it was a scary, freaking house,
you know. And I've had other houses, and I know
we talked to you about us that I've been in
that are just as scary, but this one is really
really scary, to the point where I know my dad
had a somebody come in, and what was really interesting
(29:29):
is that he got to my room and he wouldn't
go in. He said there was something very wrong with
a closet in there after, I had already told my
dad I was afraid of the closet, but you know,
it was kind of crazy, you know, and that house
is old, and who knows what it was like. I
don't you know, if it's spirits or like demons like
to me, that's what.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I'm a scare of. That's my fear, you knows. Were
never of concern to me. And when I was very young,
I kind of felt protected except from evil, like and
I felt like I had been in the presence of
evil a few times in my life. And I lived
in a house that was built This was when I
was a teenager, though, but it was built in the
(30:10):
eighteen hundreds, and it had been a courthouse, and it
had been a jail, and it had been a brothel.
Oh yea, and yeah, so this house had been many things.
There was definitely something there, and I was afraid. And
so just looking at the house, it was a beautiful
(30:31):
old Victoria. Oh yeah, you know. We were moving in there,
and I was teasing my little brother and I told him,
oh my god, it's haunted. You're not going to believe it.
And I was trying to scare the heck out of him.
And what happened was all of the it was just true.
There were there were like little doors, little doors that
(30:51):
opened up in the quarter, little tiny plight. Yes, it
opened up to nothing. Yeah, like the dirt down under
the house. Yeah, there are people that would come and
like worship in the yard.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Oh that's weird, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like my mom felt this weird presence of somebody staring
at her and she looked turned around and looked out
her bedroom window and there was a man like in
a trance like state, praying to the house. And you know,
and I've talked about, you know, the area where I lived,
and there was a lot of witchcraft and.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
That's why I was wondering if you ever like had
like that fear, because I'm afraid taking about that, you know,
but I'm not talking about like what we were. We've
been talking about like Midwiffrey and things like that about
like with demons, like demons type worshiping and stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Like that, that kind of scary part. And it's still it
still scares me. Yeah, you know, because I do know
demons are real. I do know that they exist, and
they don't look like they do in the movies, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
The deceptive Yeah, I mean very much. I mean I
think even like Devil is the great deceiver, you know,
the great deceiver.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And you know of course, it's like with any shady salesman.
They're not gonna come up and go buy this lemon. Yeah,
they're gonna they're gonna tell you all the great things
you want to hear. They're gonna like feed into your psyche.
You're gonna feed into your ego. Ego. Is one clear
direct path into a human is feeding their ego.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You mean, like make America great again. That's sort of.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, kind of right, you know, yes, exactly, by my stuff,
by my bible, my bible, buy my bible. Yeah, yeah,
I get it. Anyway, So anyhow, i'mious off about Trump,
so I'm gonna have to talk to you later. Yes,
(33:00):
he scares me because yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
He has a lot of those characteristics. Absolutely, Yeah, yeah,
I agree. Well, that is the scariest story this Halloween.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It sure is. I know.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, wait for this election to be over.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Though.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Let me tell you what I either way, I mean,
it is scary. It is scary.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
So well, note thanks for giving me nightmares. Have a
great evenings.
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Are we Chalian?
Speaker 2 (00:33):
My face looks so weird.
Speaker 4 (00:36):
No, it does not.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
We're recording. By the way, Hi, Jessica Carbon, how are
you doing? Oh?
Speaker 4 (00:50):
I'm getting ready for Halloween. Carbon. I had by my
candy this week?
Speaker 2 (00:55):
You know, by what kind of candy did you get?
Speaker 4 (00:57):
Well?
Speaker 2 (00:58):
End up?
Speaker 4 (00:58):
You know, I go back and forth because chocolate, I
think is always more preferred by kids. That's my That's
what I think anyways. But I don't always love the
chocolate sap. I like some of them, like the gummy
Bears and the Skittles and the so like, I'm trying
not to buy off of my preferences and go off
of the more popular ones, but I kind of selfishly
(01:19):
want so I got a mixture this time. Yeah, and
hopefully then there'll be some leftover. I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:26):
We bought a bunch of candy for my mom's eightieth
birthday and we didn't eat it because we didn't do
theta that's right. But you know, yeah, we'll use this
for Halloween. Because I had a bunch of really good
chocolates and well they were Hershey's, but you know, in
that Hershey bag. There was there was the Reese's Peanut
butter cups. Yeahs, and so this is this is how
(01:49):
I eat those. I go, uh Snickers and Reese's Peanut
butter cups are like the first or or kit Cat.
Speaker 1 (02:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:01):
Yeah. So that's like, you know, kind of a three
way tie. Once I get rid of those, once I mean,
once I consume all of those, and I'm like, I'm
eating the Milky Ways.
Speaker 4 (02:11):
Oh yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 2 (02:13):
Yeah, Milky Way.
Speaker 4 (02:14):
I love them on in there, like in the fridge
or in the freezer freezer.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Oh yeah, I love the milk.
Speaker 4 (02:21):
Like a toffee almost, like I don't know.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Yeah, I can shatter them in your mouth and just
chew that hard. Oh yes, yeah.
Speaker 4 (02:28):
The other one that's really good in the freezer is
a Charleston Chew.
Speaker 2 (02:32):
Oh yeah, you had that. Course I lived on Charleston
Cheo's when I was in fifth grade. I never, I
never really liked the strawberry ones.
Speaker 4 (02:42):
But no, uh no, no, no, I like the original original.
You know. What I'm really liking now is like those
the Kinder stuff. Have you ever had any of the
Kinder chocolates? The well Bleno is one of them. Right,
But there's other ones. Those are really good too. I
(03:04):
love the chocolate piece of it, and I love hazel nuts,
so anytime they incorporate that hazel nut chocolate filling is
so good. But you don't really get those very often
because they're more expensive.
Speaker 2 (03:14):
So I found some uh, some little cookies at Costco.
And but let me go back to the chocolates, because
oh yeah, yeah, when I'm on the Three Musketeers, I'm
like pretty desperate, right, and I won't eat just a
plant hershey bar anymore. Okay, that's a lie. That's a
fucking lie. I will eat a plant of hershey Bar.
(03:35):
I will, but I won't like it. I won't like it.
I won't enjoy it. I won't enjoy it all the way.
But yes, so my thoughts of just keeping that candy
until Halloween have been dashed by my own plutany.
Speaker 4 (03:51):
And now are you're in the market for a new
bag or I'm gonna go get so Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:56):
We also did down a whole Costco sized bag of
gummy bears too. Yeah, like that that's such a rip off.
They put like four gummy bears in there. Is that
really a serving much? You have to throw into the
ocean to get, you know, up on gummy bears.
Speaker 4 (04:13):
Yeah, yeah, exactly. I know you gotta get like the
big just the big bag.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
Yeah, the families where you can see the land in
there and just pull it out and clumps.
Speaker 4 (04:24):
Yeah, you know. They're big claim to fame, just like Twizzlers,
or that they're fat free, right, fat free? Oh really yeah,
but not sugar free.
Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, not sugar free because.
Speaker 4 (04:34):
They don't add any fat there.
Speaker 2 (04:36):
That's right. Oh you know what else? Gluten free?
Speaker 4 (04:40):
Oh sure, gluten free, but I'm not free.
Speaker 2 (04:44):
I found these cookies and they're like the wafer you know,
the you know those wafers with the crunchy and their layered.
Speaker 4 (04:52):
Yes, yes, oh my gosh, yes, I love that.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
So there. I'm not gonna be a hazelnut girl, but
they have some hazelnut and it's better than it's better
than Natalla. The flavor is more it's less sweet, more nutty,
but it's like that kind of filling, that same texture
and consistency in the a square wave for cookie. And
(05:18):
they're only like ninety calories at Costco. Yeah, you get
a whole bag. And I scored twice because I bought
them and they were very reasonable, and my husband doesn't
really like them, so.
Speaker 4 (05:32):
Oh so you end up getting them all years, all
for me, all night. I know, I really love I really.
Have you ever had any family member or sorry not
family members, well maybe, but in your neighborhood when you
did a trick or trading. One of the biggest leutdowns
is like having a dentist in your neighborhood. Have you
(05:52):
ever received like a toothpaste and toothbrush for Halloween or something?
Speaker 2 (05:56):
Yeah? I was like, no, thank you.
Speaker 4 (05:59):
A little that's his brush your teeth or something.
Speaker 2 (06:03):
Teeth?
Speaker 4 (06:04):
Okay, great, thank you very much. I'm sure it was
left over in your little treasure chest there.
Speaker 2 (06:09):
Yeah. Yeah, we did have a treasure chest too. I
liked my dentists used to give us. His name was
doctor Harry the Tooth Fairy, and I loved him. He
was really a good dentist for kids.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Yeah, sure, but it sounds like it.
Speaker 2 (06:25):
Yeah. And he had these really cool ceramic figurines.
Speaker 4 (06:30):
Yes I had, Yes, they were Yes, that's what I got.
Dentist Dan was my guy dentist d and he just
recently passed away. I heard. Yeah, but Dan.
Speaker 2 (06:45):
An abscess tooth metal poisoning. Oh we're laughing at doctor
Dan Denis Dan's demise, say that three times fast. I
wonder where. I wonder where Doctor Harry the Tooth Fairy
is now. But you know what, he was a cool
He had a big mustache and he had kind of
longer hair for a you know, a dentist. But I
(07:07):
dig that, you know, and he had cool. Oh god,
I could not wait to get into that ceramic spin.
Speaker 4 (07:13):
Yes, they had different little figures like dogs. He must
have went to the same convention maybe. Yeah, I had
a colection.
Speaker 2 (07:24):
Oh I did too. Are you paint them?
Speaker 4 (07:26):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (07:27):
Oh, yes, yes, And if you were hungry, they tasted
just like the stick in a fund dep not kidding,
I'm kidding, but they did have the same consistency. Yeah.
So anyway, I'm pretty excited about Halloween. I did I
have I'm gonna dress up this year. What are you
gonna be a unicorn? Of course?
Speaker 4 (07:50):
Nice? Are you gonna actually like be a unicorn or
just like faux unicorn?
Speaker 2 (07:55):
Like, listen, I am a unicorn. What I'm gonna do
is go ahead and express outwardly what is inside of
me every day. So I did buy a costume that
is an inflatable nice.
Speaker 4 (08:11):
I was wondering if that's what you mean. Okay, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (08:14):
It has a battery pack. But so, you know, we've
been talking about witches, and we've been talking about Halloween,
and I found something out that I find incredibly fascinating.
Being in the Southwest, you know, we're we celebrate Dia
de las Mortos and it's it's a big deal. And
(08:34):
you know, I've just thought, well, of course, you know,
people must have made Halloween because duh, yeah, it all
makes sense, it's all the right time of year. I
found out that Halloween it's actually a Celtic holiday. Oh yes, yes,
so it's origins are traced back to ancient Celtic festival,
(08:57):
the ancient Celtic festival.
Speaker 4 (08:59):
Of oh soin that does sound fair.
Speaker 2 (09:04):
Yes, but it's spelled s A M H A I
N so makes sense right, But I was thinking, yeah,
exactly right. I was going to sound it out and
it spread out son and the celt celebrates Saloyen on
October thirty first, the night before their new year. They
(09:25):
believe the spirits of the dead return to Earth on
that night, so it's very similar to.
Speaker 4 (09:32):
The Day of a Dead, right yes, yes.
Speaker 2 (09:36):
Except you can spell dia de los mortos a lot
easier than sounding out suren. And so that there they're
dead returned to earth on that night, and the boundary
between the worlds of the living and the dead was blurred,
so people could cross over or cross over, yes, which
(09:57):
is always a cool thought for me. You know, I
love anything that can cross over into the spirit world,
like hummingbirds for instance.
Speaker 4 (10:07):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (10:08):
And so they celebrated with bonfires. You've got to have
a bonfire, you've got to have dancing, you've got to
wear costumes, divination. Yes, they also set bonfires on hilltops
to relight their hearth fires for winter and scare away
any evil spirits.
Speaker 4 (10:27):
Wow.
Speaker 2 (10:29):
And they did do like they did do decorations. So
what was it like?
Speaker 4 (10:36):
Was it like a instead of Okay, it wasn't pumpkins.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
No, it wasn't pumpkins. They carved turnips turnus And I
saw some of the scary turnips that were carved. I
was looking. I was terrifying.
Speaker 4 (10:54):
Well, a turnup itself is already very ugly, right, I think. Anyways,
it's not it a you know what I'm talking about,
Like a little it's got like a little depending on
what they are. If maybe they're purple and like sometimes
got that itchy it almost look like a hair on them,
like hair, like a really old skin kind of yes, right, yes.
Speaker 2 (11:16):
And as they dry up, that outer layer, the purple layer,
the purple and white layer does wrinkle up like skin.
Speaker 1 (11:24):
Oh.
Speaker 2 (11:26):
They if you don't carve them, they just like old,
look like old testicles with hair. But if you carve them,
they look like shrunken heads and they're scary.
Speaker 4 (11:36):
Oh yeah, that's yeah.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
They didn't put candles in them. They just carved those and.
Speaker 4 (11:42):
Yeah, just wow, so do they did? They? What kind
of carved? They just didn't make like fun pictures like
we do now, Like they're all like of people.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
They had eyes, eyes and mouths and nose, so they
were they were people faces, but they were scary people face.
Speaker 4 (12:00):
I wonder what's the purpose of the carving, Like why
did it start? I wonder what's the meaning behind the carving.
Was it maybe to represent like.
Speaker 2 (12:10):
Spirits or I don't know, maybe to board off evil spirits.
I don't maybe I didn't get that far in, but
I was just so, I mean, we know why the
jack O lantern is carved? Yes, yeah, that's also an
Irish folk tale of Stingy Jack roam the world with
a lantern made of a turn up. Oh yeah, interesting,
(12:33):
I never caught that stingy Jack jack a lantern. Well,
I mean, how big does it have to be.
Speaker 4 (12:44):
A lot of lantern need for lanterns so that they
wouldn't just they made them out of their tournament turnups,
you know?
Speaker 2 (12:51):
Yeah? And uh yeah, but I think of the cars
of turnips this year.
Speaker 4 (12:57):
Yeah, yeah, I think you can. You know. I was
watching the show Outrageous Pumpkins. Have you ever seen that show? Oh,
it's so cool and they have the carvings like you're
talking about where it's like this realistic people faces on
huge pumpkins, you know, and like they do a bunch
of different things. They tell a story with the pumpkins,
and then sometimes the requirement is to actually make a
(13:20):
jack a lantern, which that is a punch through. Sometimes
you don't have to punch through, but this one has
a punch through, and so they have I mean, just fabulous.
But they don't just use pumpkins. They use things like
turn ups, potatoes, I'm trying to think of eggplant one time.
So just to create like different features in their storytelling.
(13:40):
It was so cool as the first for I don't remember,
but it was something and what's not what you think though?
There were no.
Speaker 2 (13:53):
I saw a beautiful pumpkin. They took one of the
white pumpkins. They got a bit orange pumpkin m hm,
and they cut like an eye shaped hole, you know, yeah, yeah,
and an almond shaped hole. And they took a smaller
white pumpkin and they put it inside. Sure ye had
(14:16):
painted the eye on it. It was beautiful. And I
always see these gorgeous pumpkin carvings and I think I
could do that, and I have tried more than a
few times, and mine always end up looking like.
Speaker 1 (14:32):
Well.
Speaker 4 (14:32):
It's it's so funny because then like on the show,
they say like what they use, and you would never think, oh, yeah,
I guess that I need to purchase one of those things,
like a uh trowel tool for like uh flooring, like tiling,
you know, to get like grooves and stuff. And like
they figured it out. I mean, they made it easy.
They're just going to town on like getting everything carved out,
sing out all the guts.
Speaker 2 (14:54):
You know.
Speaker 4 (14:55):
It's just like, holy crap, I can't that's the part
that takes the longest for me. I would do in
that the guts trying to get because I'm a perfectionist,
Like I don't want things hanging around. I'm going to
get all of it out.
Speaker 2 (15:06):
Yeah. You know what you could use in there? You
can use a beater, your hand mixer.
Speaker 4 (15:15):
Oh yeah, hand mixer.
Speaker 2 (15:17):
Yeah, I saw that hacked, Like, yeah, I thought I
invented that hack. Damn it.
Speaker 4 (15:23):
You might have, but someone stole it because it's on
It's on YouTube or Facebook or something. I've seen it.
Speaker 2 (15:31):
Yeah, everybody takes my ideas, you know, I think this
is what the problem is with depression and ADHD. It
takes me longer to get to my computer and jot
this stuff down and get it to the patent office
then it should and then somebody else thinks of it.
So you know, I need to do better. I'll do
better next year.
Speaker 4 (15:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I'm always coming up with fantastic.
Speaker 4 (15:54):
Yeah, you just got to say it out like, put
it on paper next time. Yeah, that way, Yeah, can
get it out there. Check now, there's so many ways
you can double check too. Just type it into Google.
Nobody has it, then you better claim it right there.
Pretty much.
Speaker 2 (16:10):
Well, yeah, I mean I invented the hot rock massage
a long time ago when I was a kid. Yeah yeah, yeah,
So just saying.
Speaker 4 (16:21):
Well, Carmen, I you know, we've been talking about witches
and kind of like our famous witches here in the US,
but there's some really really scary witches or folklore of
witches around the world, and I want to just kind
of go through some of those. Get your reaction to
some of these. Something really spooky, but someone was kind
of cool. It's an explanation for phenomenon that is happening, right,
(16:46):
how about this? Hmm?
Speaker 2 (16:48):
How about you tell me what the witch is famous
for and I'll give you a reasonable explanation. Okay, okay, okay, okay.
Speaker 4 (16:59):
So the first witch is this is some of these
names are really hard, so I apologize for butcher eat
some of these. But the first witch is Kiki Mora.
Speaker 2 (17:13):
I like that.
Speaker 4 (17:16):
Basically she leaves wet footprints. Wet footprints. So, Carmen, why
do you think that is? Like? What, what what is
the purpose of doing that?
Speaker 2 (17:35):
Does she leave wet footprints after her death?
Speaker 4 (17:40):
No, So what's happens is like when people see wet
footprints and they don't like you can't like there's not
an explanation for them. They say that's Kiki Mora and
there's more. Yeah, there's more there.
Speaker 2 (17:52):
But I would say she was probably a victim of
domestic violence, which is never funny. I'm not making a joke.
She was probably drowned by her husband, and that is
the guilt and her spirit coming back to haunt people.
Speaker 4 (18:12):
Mm hmmm, you're so close. Like it's so it's a
similar story. But basically it's a spirit who wants to
be respected, a female spirit who wants to be respected.
So like her presence is always known by like the
wet footprints on the floor that you don't have explanation,
(18:33):
or maybe you hear like a dishes breaking and you
don't know where it came from something like that, or
throwing things around you didn't you don't know what how
did it happen? Or things get broken, like who did that?
So it's because she feels disrespected in her house. So
I don't have explanation as to why she's feeling just
(18:54):
maybe it was something like that or her spirit, like
before she was a spirit, maybe she was in that
type of relationship. But it's always the female feeling like
disrespect and that's why she's breaking things. It's an explanation.
Or there might be like a whistle, and she's usually harmless,
is what people say, but that you want to stay
on her good side, you don't want to disrespect her.
Speaker 2 (19:16):
I yeah, I want to say, Kiki Mora, if you
really want to be respected, don't track up people's houses
and don't break their dishes. Now what, go into the
men's bedroom and shake the hell out of his bed.
It'll scare him and they will have a deep respect
for you after that. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (19:39):
Okay, So the next one I have is Jenny Green Teeth. Okay, yeah,
Jenny Green Teeth.
Speaker 2 (19:47):
I think I went to school with someone named Jenny
Green Teeth.
Speaker 4 (19:51):
Okay, so this is kind of mean, But what she
would do is intentionally drown young people and old people
were just fun.
Speaker 2 (20:02):
Okay. Yeah, So maybe maybe she was a woman who
had been teased so much for having poor dental hygiene
that she was embarrassed to go to the pool, and
so she took her revenge out on people at the
pool or in the probably didn't have pools, but I'm
(20:24):
sure they had fishing holes, and so she would just
drown them. You know.
Speaker 4 (20:28):
Again, I don't think you're like that far off. But
what happened was in England. It's a folklore in England
Jenny Green Teeth, also known as Jenny or Genie or
Wicked Jenny, she would intentionally drown the young and old
just for fun, and in some legends she'd actually eat
(20:49):
the children or old people. In others, she's just a
statist who enjoys the pain, right, So that's kind of
a worst version of it. I don't know which is worse, actually,
I'm not sure, like just because she needs food or
because she enjoys pain, I don't know, suffering up other people. Anyways,
(21:09):
she is frequently described as having that green complexion just
like we kind of known, which is to be maybe
that's where it come froms I don't know. And she
would scare children into behave, into behaving and staying close
to the water's edge, and then she would be pretending
like swim and so they would oh, come on in
for a swim, you know, and that sort of thing,
(21:32):
and kids would fall for that, and that's what she
would do, what she pull them in. So the moral
of that folklore is to not play too close to rivers.
That was what they would say, you know, especially the
Green River, and stay away from Green River haggs is
literally what the.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Course, Yeah makes sense.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
Who are the Green River haggs? I guess, Jenny ra.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
Well, in Wyoming, there's a town called Green River. Oh jeez,
And I could probably name a few of the hags there. Kids.
I don't know anybody there anymore, but I was there.
I lived there when I was a kid.
Speaker 4 (22:10):
Well, there you go. So don't go near any Green
rivers because in case you might get pulled in by
the Green River hag, which I hate that word, by
the way, but I guess.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Well, see that's the whole thing, Like you go around
calling a woman a hag so much she's gonna pull
you in the river. Yeah, I may deserve it.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Okay, So one last switch for today. I am gonna
butcher this name.
Speaker 2 (22:36):
Okay.
Speaker 4 (22:37):
So you know it is an old, old story of fate.
This is the spelling g R A E A E
g ya maybe greyea gray yeah, yeah, yeah, and more.
And they are the spinners of fate. Have you heard
of the Greek the story of the spin of Fate.
(23:03):
They are often lumped together because they are actually two
separate trios of witches. So Graya, Graya, whatever and Mora
are actually six witches. If I read that, two separate
trios of witches who understand how fate works and they
(23:24):
can control fate. More spun the loom of fate, and
everyone's fate was tied to their loom. The looms of
fate right, and even those of Gaunts. Their fates were
in the hands of Moray and gray A. On the
other hand, it was three malevolent sisters of Gorgans. The
(23:49):
gray A were not the friendliest of the bunches. They
did share an eye, so they couldn't have eyes, but
they had one eye they passed to each other when
they needed it. I get yes, they shared it. And
gray also had the knowledge of the unknown and of
the fate, but they didn't control it, so they could
(24:09):
predict and see. They were like the fortune tellers, but
they did not get to actually have any control over
that fate. So I don't know which is worse. You
know which a group of witches that could control fate
or a group of witches that are evil that could
see the future. They could actually snip your string of life.
(24:31):
In other words, in Greek mythology stronger than God because
they could snip their line of faith.
Speaker 2 (24:39):
There's a lot of scary stories of which is sharing
an eye. You know, just the thought of that is
really kind of amazing. You know, I could see how
somebody would be disgruntled if they had to share an eye,
and if you don't have your eye, you might accidentally
snip somebody's.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 2 (25:03):
Yeah, I think I think witches are misunderstood. Yeah, and
I saw I saw a shirt the other day, but
I just I wanted to get it said witches are women.
Speaker 4 (25:15):
They can't be a male. It's that would be like
what a warlock, yeah, I guess, or a wizard or
a wizard. Yeah, Harry Potter, I think they've clarified that
for us, they must be wizards instead of witches.
Speaker 2 (25:28):
I think women can be wizards.
Speaker 4 (25:30):
We're not the all sayers. I mean, if you want
to be a wizard, be a wizard. If you want
to be a witch, be a witch. I guess absolutely absolutely, Yeah, yeah, right, yeah.
Speaker 2 (25:40):
Yeah, I think I think it's an equal opportunity job.
That's right.
Speaker 4 (25:46):
Did you were you ever scared of witches growing up, Carmen?
Speaker 2 (25:49):
No, because I always felt like I might be one.
Speaker 4 (25:54):
So for me, I was and scared necessarily of just
like the witch that for me, which I now know,
you know, people practice like witchcraft or paganism, that sort
of thing, But I always remember being scared. I lived
in the wilderness, you know, in Michigan, and no like
no lights anywhere in the trees, you know, and there's
(26:15):
a lot of spooky things that I feel like happen
when there are and I always felt like there was
just like witchcraft happening. I don't know it, just I'm
sure there was spooky. Yeah, I'm afraid a lot of
the dark.
Speaker 2 (26:33):
Yeah, I'm afraid of that stuff now to this day,
like people who practice Satanism, and I mean, it's not
anything to dabble with, you know, it's not anything to
play around with, honestly, conjuring spirits. You know, spirits should
be left to do their own thing, quite honestly. I mean,
(26:54):
if you're visited, it's a different thing than trying to
call them in or spin them in or whatever. But yeah,
I was a kid, I was afraid very much. Of
My biggest fears as a child were the devil, going
to church and Charles Manson. Oh yeah. So I grew
(27:18):
up in the seventies and this was Helter Skelter time,
and so I had I had Bible school, which taught
us about the devil and you know, like if you lie,
you go to hell and you're going to burn and
fire forever, which is terrifying because how many kids you
know haven't lied, And it's all it's all like, you know,
simple things like yes, I ate all my dinner, or
(27:40):
no I didn't eat that cookie or whatever, but you
think you're going to hell. And I would lay awake
at night just terrified. And then I would hear my
mom she was so she was so freaked out over
the whole Helter Skelter book. And then there was there
was a movie I made for TV movie and they
(28:01):
watched that, and you know my bedroom is like right
there by the leaving room. Yeah, and I would hear
them talking about that, and I believe me, I lost
so many nights sleep over Garls Manson. And it's freaking
douvil I.
Speaker 4 (28:20):
You know, I as a kid, I wasn't just the wilderness,
but like growing up in like older houses and stuff,
I just felt like there was something very wrong there
in my bedroom at my father's house. It was built
in the eighteen hundreds when the mines kind of opened
up in that area, and it was old house, I mean,
(28:44):
super old, and I don't know what my room used
to be or whatever, but I do remember just being
up so scared, just can't close my eyes, the lights
kind of flickering, and thinking, what the heck, you know,
why would the lights be going up and not just
like flicker like up and down, you know, TV's turning
on at my closet door opening. I always felt like
(29:07):
there was just something totally evil in that closet. There
was just this feeling and it was a scary, freaking house,
you know. And I've had other houses, and I know
we talked to you about us that I've been in
that are just as scary, but this one is really
really scary, to the point where I know my dad
had a somebody come in, and what was really interesting
(29:29):
is that he got to my room and he wouldn't
go in. He said there was something very wrong with
a closet in there after, I had already told my
dad I was afraid of the closet, but you know,
it was kind of crazy, you know, and that house
is old, and who knows what it was like. I
don't you know, if it's spirits or like demons like
to me, that's what.
Speaker 2 (29:49):
I'm a scare of. That's my fear, you knows. Were
never of concern to me. And when I was very young,
I kind of felt protected except from evil, like and
I felt like I had been in the presence of
evil a few times in my life. And I lived
in a house that was built This was when I
was a teenager, though, but it was built in the
(30:10):
eighteen hundreds, and it had been a courthouse, and it
had been a jail, and it had been a brothel.
Oh yea, and yeah, so this house had been many things.
There was definitely something there, and I was afraid. And
so just looking at the house, it was a beautiful
(30:31):
old Victoria. Oh yeah, you know. We were moving in there,
and I was teasing my little brother and I told him,
oh my god, it's haunted. You're not going to believe it.
And I was trying to scare the heck out of him.
And what happened was all of the it was just true.
There were there were like little doors, little doors that
(30:51):
opened up in the quarter, little tiny plight. Yes, it
opened up to nothing. Yeah, like the dirt down under
the house. Yeah, there are people that would come and
like worship in the yard.
Speaker 4 (31:08):
Oh that's weird, that's crazy.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Like my mom felt this weird presence of somebody staring
at her and she looked turned around and looked out
her bedroom window and there was a man like in
a trance like state, praying to the house. And you know,
and I've talked about, you know, the area where I lived,
and there was a lot of witchcraft and.
Speaker 4 (31:33):
That's why I was wondering if you ever like had
like that fear, because I'm afraid taking about that, you know,
but I'm not talking about like what we were. We've
been talking about like Midwiffrey and things like that about
like with demons, like demons type worshiping and stuff.
Speaker 2 (31:50):
Like that, that kind of scary part. And it's still it
still scares me. Yeah, you know, because I do know
demons are real. I do know that they exist, and
they don't look like they do in the movies, you know.
Speaker 4 (32:04):
The deceptive Yeah, I mean very much. I mean I
think even like Devil is the great deceiver, you know,
the great deceiver.
Speaker 2 (32:12):
And you know of course, it's like with any shady salesman.
They're not gonna come up and go buy this lemon. Yeah,
they're gonna they're gonna tell you all the great things
you want to hear. They're gonna like feed into your psyche.
You're gonna feed into your ego. Ego. Is one clear
direct path into a human is feeding their ego.
Speaker 4 (32:34):
You mean, like make America great again. That's sort of.
Speaker 2 (32:38):
Yeah, kind of right, you know, yes, exactly, by my stuff,
by my bible, my bible, buy my bible. Yeah, yeah,
I get it. Anyway, So anyhow, i'mious off about Trump,
so I'm gonna have to talk to you later. Yes,
(33:00):
he scares me because yeah.
Speaker 4 (33:03):
He has a lot of those characteristics. Absolutely, Yeah, yeah,
I agree. Well, that is the scariest story this Halloween.
Speaker 2 (33:11):
It sure is. I know.
Speaker 4 (33:15):
Yeah, wait for this election to be over.
Speaker 2 (33:17):
Though.
Speaker 4 (33:17):
Let me tell you what I either way, I mean,
it is scary. It is scary.
Speaker 2 (33:21):
So well, note thanks for giving me nightmares. Have a
great evenings.
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