October 31, 2023 • 31 mins
(Intense music with clock ticking in the background) "Every year, over one man drowns because of ghosts. That's close to 100 deaths in the last 99 years (about 10 per decade). This is because they are very aggressive and territorial, and have a habit of not understanding the concept of meeting in the middle. It's 10 o'clock, do you know where your children are?" This has been a SmallTown public announcement. Join Jessica and Karmen as they visit small towns with ghost stories in this U-Turn Episode back to October 2022.
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town, USA, shockers for howare we chall yet? Hi Jessica,
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Hey Carbon, How are you?I said it differently today? Yeah?
You did cut me off guard?Got alf guard? How are you doing?
I'm doing great. I have aquestion for you before we begin with
these fun ghost stories going into October, have you ever been talking to somebody
and they have a over like flappingyou don't know, like a exactly what
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you should say. You guys justcan't stop focusing on the they're talking to
you. You're like, I justcan't even I don't even know what they're
saying, right, it's a littledistracting. It's a lot distracted with ADHD.
It's just slapping every time they breatheevery time, every time, and
you're afraid it's gonna fling off likeonto your plate, you know, because
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it's a light one that could catchsail like flow down like a little snowflake
onto your you know. Of us, I have been in that situation before.
I've probably been the alleged person aswell. I'm sure in the past.
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I think we have video evidence,just kidd in. Lol. So
it is October, Jessica, andthis is becoming this is like my favorite
time of year on Arizona because youknow, it's getting chilly down in ninety
five today. Yeah, I hadto wear a light coat. But they
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do tell you on the news thisis what cracks me up. They're like,
remember to layer the kids up thismorning before school in what yeah,
like what like Muslin and oh my, oh, oh my god, our
little kids like going to school onschool buses without air conditioning. That's a
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horror story. In humane. Yeah, but that's not what we came here
to talk about. We can talkall day about school buses and boogers and
boogers. There's a lot of boogerson school buses. Yeah. Kids are
gross, Like kids will kick theirnose and just wipe. Oh okay,
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okay, So I understand you.That an awesome ghost story that has a
lady in it. Yeah, alady slash witch. We're not exactly sure
if she's a ghost or a witch, but good, good ghost story from
a small town in Alabama coming up. Can witches become ghosts? I don't
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know. Can they become ghosts?I don't know. I would think so,
because witches are not They don't liveforever, immortal, immortal, immortal,
immortal for you clearly have not beenwatching Lord of the Race. Are
witches immortal? I don't know.I think sometimes if they are, or
they have to try to be,like they have to collect souls or they
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have to make their potions to becomeyoung again. So is that really immortal?
Maybe not? That's just like avoiding. That's more like avoiding death.
Right if you're well. I thinkif you avoid death forever, you're immortal.
I guess so. But like onceyou forget, like she would have
forgot to take my potion today,and then you die. You know,
not a lot of work. Iforget to take my vitamins every day almost
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like when I'm home, I cantake them. But when I have to
go to work, I would bedead in a second because I always get
like halfway there and go, shoot, they forgot my potions. Crap,
I could die. I'm gonna dieat the office, so okay, but
I'm not gonna die. I don'twant to die. Let's get that out
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there. That's the universe. We'rejust talking about witches here. What coalizes
is immortal and what doesn't. BecauseI'm thinking a witch ghost would be double
scary. Yeah, that would thatwould be double scary, right, So
yeah, it would be. Witchescan already fly, most of them,
you know, they can fly ontheir brooms, and so can ghosts.
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So can't ghosts. But I thinkthat because they're a witch, ghosts they
can go double fast. Yeah,it's just like the superpower witch that's what
they used to call me in highschool. Super fast witch so and she
was witch. Yeah it was dohave you ever been scared of something?
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Like, what's something scary that's happenedto you or something you were always afraid
of? I remember as a childhearing my mother talk about the book Helter
Skelter, and because my bedroom wasjust off the living room and my mother's
voice carries I also went to Sundayschool with mister Harod. I think we've
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talked about that crazy end before.Haroed King Herod type situation. Saturday school
teacher. Yes, he was apreacher named mister Harrod and his wife.
His wife had that red hair withlike the poofs on the side and the
poof on the top, the curlon the top. Yeah, you know
what I'm talking about. It waslike three separate hairs, three separate hairdoos.
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And her she had bright red hairand a big mole. And her
name was Georgia Aried. She seemednice. She dropped the bus for Sunday
school, but he talked about thedevil a lot bus for Sunday school.
Yeah, they wanted all the CAUsYeah, I had never heard of that
before. Okay, So where Igrew up, I think it was probably
so the little kids could go andbe saved and you know, learn the
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gospel while parents were sleeping off theirsay, so the parents couldn't even drop
them. I got dropped off.I didn't have a bus that piced.
We got dropped off too. Butyeah, there was a bus that would
go around. Interesting. Yeah,yeah, could have been a van,
but I think it was a smallbus. It was a short bus.
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Short. But he talked about thedevil a lot. So as a child,
I could not sleep. I wasalways afraid that the devil was under
my bed and that Charles Manchin waslike crawling around on the floor getting ready
to leap up and stab me todeath. I would lay there, Yeah,
terrifying, terring. I would laythere and I would pull the blankets
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up just over my you know,just so I could like see out.
But I was pretty convinced nobody couldsee me, and I would lay as
still as possible in a pool oflittle kitty sweat. And yeah, I'm
getting anxious just talking about it.And then every once in a while I
would like pull the covers up soI could get cool air under there because
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you know, you start getting justI mean breathing that warm kitty sweat air.
Oh. I don't know how Ieven lived through it. It was
terrifying. Like I was afraid toget up and use the bathroom. I
wasn't a bed peer. I hada strong ass bladder though, because I
was sure if I stepped down,you know, somebody was gonna grab me
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from under the bed, or CharlesManson and his followers, the hippies,
the hippies if you will, yes, we're going to stab the hell at
him. My gosh. Yeah,terrifying, you know. And when other
kids would talk about like Boogeyman,I'm like, shit, I did the
devil in my closet and Charles Mansonpreepy calling in my house every night,
(10:09):
A fucking punch a Boogeyman in theface. Here's my leg, which I'm
a little workedop. Okay, Sothat's what really haunted me as a chot.
That is crazy, scary, scarystuff, very scary. Yeah,
that's hardcore, Carmon, that's hardcore. That's a lot to take as
a child. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, Chapter one, Carmen's Trauma.
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What were you scared of? Well, I had two big things that
I remember. Mean, I mean, I also had similar feelings of you
that you did when you know thatsomething was under my bed. I wasn't
thinking Charles Manson, but you knowthat feeling of like, don't let your
feet like dangle over the side ofthe bed. I needed to have my
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feet covered up, you know,just because obviously that layer of blanket protects
you from the person underneath your bed. Yeah, and so I always had
that kind of fear I had,for some reason, always this fear of
or I might have started with anightmare, I'm not exactly sure, of
a huge black wolf with giant redeyes, like Okay, everywhere I went,
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I always felt like I could seethem because I lived in the woods
in Michigan, and I used tothink that this black wolf I could see
its red eyes in my window uplike and not just like a little bit
like way up in the window.And I was on like the second floor
of my house. Somehow that wolfwas still in my window. You know.
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We used to have a basement thatit was later converted into like a
family room, but it was agarage and just like a real basement before
and the stairwell going up from thebasement, or that garage that just creepy
spot in our head. Else,I used to think that a wolf was
down there waiting, so like Ihave to walk really fast past that part
of the hallway right by the stairsso that I wouldn't get eaten by the
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wolf. And I would I wouldfreaking book it across the stairs at the
top of the stairwells so that Iwouldn't get eaten. And I always think,
like, what would happen if mybrother got in front of me,
I'll push him down, all right, Brett? Sorry, Brett. I
guess I kind of explains maybe someof the irrational things kids do, you
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know, like look at your kidsand they're just playing and all of a
sudden they just shove their brother downthe stairs. You know, is the
child possessed or is she afraid ofa wolf? So I'm sacrificing my family
to save my life? Which oneis it? Like, Yeah, I
watched The Lost Boys when I wasabout six or seven years old, and
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so ever since that point, vampires, to me, man were like everywhere,
Like when I closed my you know, I shut my door or in
my room or my lights go off. I had my blanket rolled up to
my neck, pushed in so thatno vampires could bite my neck through my
blanket, and I had a sleeplike that, you know, where it
was just all and nothing could getme because that blanket was the protection I
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needed. You know, I likedthat movie The Lost Boys, and I
watched it when I was you know, I think, probably a teenager,
and uh, I could not helpbut think I would have let Jason Patrick
bite my neck for sure. Inever thought Keith Southern that was cute.
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But Jason Patrick ooh, law,law, Yeah, I could never see.
That's how, that's how somebody couldget me into a van, just
like a cute boy with curly blackhair, perhaps even build blue eyes.
I'd be like, oh, sure, yeah, sure, I'm a lost
girl. I was. I wasactually a lot more street stabbing than that.
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But yeah, that Jason, hehad it going on. I'm not
sure. I can't really tie underthe mullet if he was good looking or
not. Mullet mullet. So thereare a couple of towns that I mean,
there's more than a couple of townsthat have ghost stories attached to them
here in the US and one ofthose is Lake. Now, this is
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going to be hard for me toget out because I'm gonna screw it up.
You know, I'm gonna screw itup. Lake run kan Koma.
Runkonkoma is how you say it?You think Runkonkoma, New York Lake,
Runkonkoma. It sounds. I wonderwhere that comes from. Well, anyways,
it's probably Native American ron khn likeooh like like like a guy named
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Ron was having his own big party. Call it. I was in a
wrong kN Komo. I doubt that'swhere I got it. Same he chun
Kola. Last night, I justsaid my kids to Sunday school on the
bus run con Koma. I can'tsay it. Runkamma run kan Kama is
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a small suburban town outside alone LongIsland, and a lot of people stop
there when they're on their way tothe Hampton's. You know. There.
It can be a stop where peoplemight want to just get a drinker or
a bite to eat or something,or fish. If they really want to
stay for a little bit, youcould take a relaxing fishing trip there.
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I don't know if that's not reallyrelaxing to me, just gonna throw that
out there. Fishing trip a littlebit, a little bit, because I
just wanted to happen already, youknow, like I always want to catch
the fish. I don't want towait that long to catch a fish.
Some people would say that's the bestpart, Jessica. I know, I
know, I know. It's justlike whatever, like that's part of the
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way. Yeah, okay, havinga coma. Other people actually make a
trip out to the lake because they'rehoping to see the ghost that resides there.
The legend has it that way backin the sixteen hundreds, an indigenous
princess. I'm not really sure ifthey're called princesses, not gonna lie,
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definitely say probably not. But thelegend says the princess they probably pronounced the
princess. Oh sorry, yeah,it is New York, that's right.
Fell in love with an englishman.He actually lived on the other side of
the lake than the princess, soI guess it was a big lake and
they had to meet each other inthe middle on the waters to you know,
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spend time with each other. Everynight they would meet in the middle
of the lake and rock the boats. Yeah, maybe rack the boat a
little bit one night. You know, they basically decided that they're going to
run away together and float away together. Yeah, float then run once they
get to land, right, Yeah, yes, so they were going to
do that, and she went outto the middle of the lake and he
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never showed up, so yeah,so what happened was instead she decides to
stab herself and fall into the waterbecause he didn't show up. So she's
known as what a lot of peoplehave heard as the Lady of the Lake?
Have you heard of that before?That legend? But I always wondered
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how long did she wait before shestabbed herself? What if he was just
having a hard time finding his glosshoesor an or what if she just waited
like five minutes and she was like, that's it, that's all I have
for you. How long would youwait, Carmen for your love to meet
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you on the Well, I'm assumingthey didn't have time pieces back then,
so I don't know. I wouldbe like, when the sun starts coming
up, I'm out of here.I don't even know if I'd wait that
long depends on who it is andhow much I really loved him. I
mean, I guess probably slim pickensback then, I probably would have ORed
across the water and stabbed him.I was just gonna say, why would
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she have killed herself? Wouldn't shebe so mad that it seems more likely
that you would go after the man, not after yourself. I don't know,
I'll show him. I'm gonna stabmyself and fall into the water where
people won't find me. No,why would you bring a knife or something
sharp with you to meet the manof your dreams? Anyways, So probably
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you would have a knife on boardfor gutt and fish and stuff like.
It was maybe an in or tacklebox. Is that a thing, because
most people have a knife in theirtackle box Jessica in the sixteen hundreds.
Well, it probably was made outof like sea grass or something. But
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it's a little unrealistic. But soshe's stabs. She kills herself because you
know, she's feeling so depressed,and she falls into the water, and
now she allegedly hunts as a ghostin the water, and she kills one
man at least every year. She'strying to get revenge on her man that
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you know she once loved. Interestingis that there is at least one debt
every year in the lake at leastone drowning every year. Sometimes they're not
always male victims. I guess.Yeah, they do actually close the lake
down because it's dangerous. Well,I love ghost stories, and I think,
you know, more power to her. I think she went about it
all wrong. But whatever she needsto do now. But I have to
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wonder, you know, you gotto wonder about undertow things like that.
It's a large lake. I'm surethere's a lot of things happening under the
surface of the water that we can'tsee. People drunk all the time because
they go fishing, and usually fishingit involves beer at least at a minimum.
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And it's surprising to know this,but many, many people do not
believe that there are actual drunk drivinglaws when you're operating a boat or a
water vessel. Oh yeah, that'strue. So I would think I would
think that, you know, it'spossible that people get a little tipsy,
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or people sometimes overestimate their abilities.They swim too far and then they realize,
crap, you know, I'm halfwayout here. I thought I could
make it to the other side,and then they just exhaust and drown,
or or they get caught by theundertoe or is the undertoe actually just a
ghost toe? Yeah? Ghost.I think that sometimes too, that you
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can actually be caught up in likethe growth underneath. So like if you
attempt to swim, sometimes you gettangled and you can exhaust yourself in that
way too, or can't get loose. I could just be relaxing and people
have died just from get the growthfrom underneath getting tangled around them while they're
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swimming, And that's possible too,Or it could be somebody reaching and pulling
them down. That's more likely.You know that it's not actually growth,
it's a ghost like tangling themselves down. I think you're right. I think
it is much more likely because whatgrows in a lake mud, I think
it's probably a ghost. Okay,we'll go with it's probably a ghost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, AndI think she's keeping her numbers fairly low
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funny year, Yeah, no suspicionmaking them guess. And I'd like to
know where she met this guy.Yeah, this was there out on the
lake itself. Yeah. Was sheout there just minding her business when some
weird English guy comes over and waslike, I don't know. He probably
was married honestly, and his wifewas like, Nigel, Nigel, you're
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not going out fishing again. You'vebeen fishing every night this week. You're
staying home with the kids. NigelJunior has scarlet fever. Whatever is probably
what happens. That sounds definitely morerealistic as better off without him honestly not
dead though, no, no,uh no, little dramatic if you ask
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me. Okay, So you knowwhat in New England the same kind of
neck of the woods really the Eastcoast, similar story. There's a place
called Stove, Vermont, and youknow we in Vermont, we know it's
very beautiful there. And there isa gold Brook covered bridge is what it's
called. It spans fifty feet andit was built in eighteen forty four and
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it's the oldest living covered bridge inthe country. Covered bridges kind of scare
me. I know that they're romantic, and I know that people often photograph
them and paint them. They werebuilt a long time ago, and it
scares me. And I'm always thinking, like, I'm going to get in
the middle of my Car's going tofall through. Nobody's going to see me
because it's covered. Yeah, Andthey're always like one lane, don't you
ever feel like it's like, yeah, then what this is a mesmerizing and
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beautiful covered bridge. It's between wildcrisp trees in Vermont, probably where they
make maple syrup. I'm sure everybodyin Vermont makes it maple syrup. We
know this and people go there toYeah, but in this bridge they have
nicknamed it Emily's Bridge, and thestory is Emily was a beautiful young girl
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who used to go and meet herlover in the middle of the bridge at
night. Why the middle, Idon't know, the yeah, yeah,
why not the edge? Yeah?Why not just drive all the way over
here? Just walk all the wayto my side? Yeah, Like he
really liked her. He'd come overto her side once in a while.
I mean, just right, Imean fair is fair. And also I
mean like women didn't have a lotof rights then, so it wasn't like
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they were equal rights. It wasn'tlike the guy was like listen, I'm
not opening the buggy door. Idon't know, but it was the middle,
and I guess probably for the story, it makes it sound more romantic.
Sure they were, you know,going to be lovers. They were
going to be together forever until thenight he didn't show and he broke her
heart, and so she hung herselfover one of the rafters in the bridge.
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So there's a lot of questions Ihave here, Like one, did
she come with a rope? Shemut either that or she went and got
when came back. Well, hecould have come in the meantime and said
she's not here. She's lucky shedidn't see him hanging from a rope.
But so she somehow managed to geta rope over a rafter which is tall,
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and she hung herself. She died, and she haunts the bridge to
this day. So oftentimes people willsee a woman standing in a lovely white
dress or a white cotton gown,which is always a bad omen. If
you ever see an apparition in awhite gown, get the heck out of
there. Yeah, it's never agood thing. It's never girl scout cookies,
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No bout the legends about the womanin white definitely sat on the road
or wherever. Yeah, what's upwith all these women kill themselves over men?
Though? I mean, I don'tknow. And you know, as
we're telling these stories where we likegetting into the spooky Halloween season, but
these these really are more like youknow Valentine stories, bloody Valentine's. I
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mean, if you just if you'realready to the point where you just felt
like you were ready to leave withthis man, and you already accepted that
you're never going to go back tothe way things work because your family disapproves
or your tribe disapproves of you leaving. You know, you maybe you felt
like you just couldn't go back,and that's why. Yeah, I mean,
especially if you it seems though,here's you know, I don't mean
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to be the jerk who's over analyzingthese love stories, but it seems that
if you're meeting in the middle ofa lake, not a lot of people
know about your love, right,why would you meet in the middle of
the lake. Why wouldn't you justsit around the campfire and you know,
introduce him to your folks and yourpeople, right, you know, if
you're in Emily, why wouldn't youjust let him come over and have some
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pancakes and sirrah, yeah, right, just right, make the guy some
of that snowy syrup stuff. Imean, yeah, maple tappy, yeah
tappy. They do all the timein Hallmark. Should be well known,
right, and we know hallmark istrue. So I'm just thinking, like,
why are there had to be anelement of secrecy for these girls to
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be meeting these guys in the middleof the bridge or the lake. When
you're young, I've you know,made dumb decisions based on love in my
heart. You know, you don'tthink like, oh my gosh, this
guy probably has a family on theother side of the bridge. If you
can't take the person home to meetyour folks, probably a good chance that
he's not the guy for you.There had to be something something wrong with
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the love to begin with. Yeah, definitely. Otherwise, why the why
the cloak and dagger? Why thesecrecy? Do ghosts get issued a white
cotton down? I think that you'reright, like, why white? Why
why are we portraying that? Oryou know, why are we seeing them
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wearing white? Are we saying thatyou know, their souls are white?
Or they are they? I don'tknow. Maybe they wear white so you
can see him better in the dark. Or maybe spirits are just white shadowy
that's the sound that a spirit makes, right, Yeah, because I don't
think all ghosts they wear They don'tthink they wear white. I think it's
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just a lot of a lot ofghosts. Like a lot of lady goes
wear white and you know they alwayshave their hair down, and it's like,
come on, sing yourself up.You really want to scare somebody put
you on at a tight Buttom wherea witch is dressed, that's scared.
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You're a raccarine too. When youwere growing up, did you have a
curfew? Children in Abbeville, Alabama? Very particular curfew. They had to
be home before dark. This wasnot something their parents put in place to
get them to come home early.This was something much darker. People in
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Abbeville, Alabama, have a goodidea of the darkness and the shadows in
the streets and what's really behind thoseshadows. Abbeville is no stranger to tragedies.
There's been a lot of hardship andsegregation through the years. One of
these hardships was when an arsonist burneddown all of Abbeville in the early nineteen
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hundreds. There's no surprise that Abbevillehas some ghosts. On a cold,
dark, rainy night, so bitterlycold, damp and dark, when even
the street lights won't burn and thestriking of a match refuses to yield,
the tiniest flame. On nights likethis, hug and Molly comes out of
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her lang and roams the streets ofAbbeville to see whom she can find.
The first account of Huggin Molly camein the early nineteen hundreds. She is
a woman all clad in black,and she's looking for children. Legend has
it that she's seven feet tall andshe walks the streets looking for victims.
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She seems to have a witch likeappearance, although her behavior is anything but
that. She wears a wide brimhat wandering through the night, she uses
shadows as disguise. Once she's founda victim, she would attack, hugging
the person and screaming loudly into theirears. However, there are no stories
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of her actually hurting anyone. Shesimply hugs them, and while it's terrifying,
that's it. A hugging ghost whois Huggin Molly. Some accounts are
that she is a mother who losther child and she's going after local children
to deal with her loss. Otherlegends suggest that she was murdered. Her
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ghost is trying to fulfill something.Maybe she was killed after dark and nobody
was looking for her. Maybe shewas a school teacher and she's only trying
to keep the students safe by gettingthem off the streets. Or maybe she's
not a ghost at all, butsomeone or something getting dressed up and scaring
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the children. People in Abbeville,Alabama aren't too concerned about Molly, and
even though she's never harmed anyone,children still make sure they're home before dark.
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Hey Carbon, How are you?I said it differently today? Yeah?
You did cut me off guard?Got alf guard? How are you doing?
I'm doing great. I have aquestion for you before we begin with
these fun ghost stories going into October, have you ever been talking to somebody
and they have a over like flappingyou don't know, like a exactly what
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you should say. You guys justcan't stop focusing on the they're talking to
you. You're like, I justcan't even I don't even know what they're
saying, right, it's a littledistracting. It's a lot distracted with ADHD.
It's just slapping every time they breatheevery time, every time, and
you're afraid it's gonna fling off likeonto your plate, you know, because
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it's a light one that could catchsail like flow down like a little snowflake
onto your you know. Of us, I have been in that situation before.
I've probably been the alleged person aswell. I'm sure in the past.
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I think we have video evidence,just kidd in. Lol. So
it is October, Jessica, andthis is becoming this is like my favorite
time of year on Arizona because youknow, it's getting chilly down in ninety
five today. Yeah, I hadto wear a light coat. But they
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do tell you on the news thisis what cracks me up. They're like,
remember to layer the kids up thismorning before school in what yeah,
like what like Muslin and oh my, oh, oh my god, our
little kids like going to school onschool buses without air conditioning. That's a
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horror story. In humane. Yeah, but that's not what we came here
to talk about. We can talkall day about school buses and boogers and
boogers. There's a lot of boogerson school buses. Yeah. Kids are
gross, Like kids will kick theirnose and just wipe. Oh okay,
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okay, So I understand you.That an awesome ghost story that has a
lady in it. Yeah, alady slash witch. We're not exactly sure
if she's a ghost or a witch, but good, good ghost story from
a small town in Alabama coming up. Can witches become ghosts? I don't
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know. Can they become ghosts?I don't know. I would think so,
because witches are not They don't liveforever, immortal, immortal, immortal,
immortal for you clearly have not beenwatching Lord of the Race. Are
witches immortal? I don't know.I think sometimes if they are, or
they have to try to be,like they have to collect souls or they
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have to make their potions to becomeyoung again. So is that really immortal?
Maybe not? That's just like avoiding. That's more like avoiding death.
Right if you're well. I thinkif you avoid death forever, you're immortal.
I guess so. But like onceyou forget, like she would have
forgot to take my potion today,and then you die. You know,
not a lot of work. Iforget to take my vitamins every day almost
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like when I'm home, I cantake them. But when I have to
go to work, I would bedead in a second because I always get
like halfway there and go, shoot, they forgot my potions. Crap,
I could die. I'm gonna dieat the office, so okay, but
I'm not gonna die. I don'twant to die. Let's get that out
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there. That's the universe. We'rejust talking about witches here. What coalizes
is immortal and what doesn't. BecauseI'm thinking a witch ghost would be double
scary. Yeah, that would thatwould be double scary, right, So
yeah, it would be. Witchescan already fly, most of them,
you know, they can fly ontheir brooms, and so can ghosts.
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So can't ghosts. But I thinkthat because they're a witch, ghosts they
can go double fast. Yeah,it's just like the superpower witch that's what
they used to call me in highschool. Super fast witch so and she
was witch. Yeah it was dohave you ever been scared of something?
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Like, what's something scary that's happenedto you or something you were always afraid
of? I remember as a childhearing my mother talk about the book Helter
Skelter, and because my bedroom wasjust off the living room and my mother's
voice carries I also went to Sundayschool with mister Harod. I think we've
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talked about that crazy end before.Haroed King Herod type situation. Saturday school
teacher. Yes, he was apreacher named mister Harrod and his wife.
His wife had that red hair withlike the poofs on the side and the
poof on the top, the curlon the top. Yeah, you know
what I'm talking about. It waslike three separate hairs, three separate hairdoos.
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And her she had bright red hairand a big mole. And her
name was Georgia Aried. She seemednice. She dropped the bus for Sunday
school, but he talked about thedevil a lot bus for Sunday school.
Yeah, they wanted all the CAUsYeah, I had never heard of that
before. Okay, So where Igrew up, I think it was probably
so the little kids could go andbe saved and you know, learn the
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gospel while parents were sleeping off theirsay, so the parents couldn't even drop
them. I got dropped off.I didn't have a bus that piced.
We got dropped off too. Butyeah, there was a bus that would
go around. Interesting. Yeah,yeah, could have been a van,
but I think it was a smallbus. It was a short bus.
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Short. But he talked about thedevil a lot. So as a child,
I could not sleep. I wasalways afraid that the devil was under
my bed and that Charles Manchin waslike crawling around on the floor getting ready
to leap up and stab me todeath. I would lay there, Yeah,
terrifying, terring. I would laythere and I would pull the blankets
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up just over my you know,just so I could like see out.
But I was pretty convinced nobody couldsee me, and I would lay as
still as possible in a pool oflittle kitty sweat. And yeah, I'm
getting anxious just talking about it.And then every once in a while I
would like pull the covers up soI could get cool air under there because
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you know, you start getting justI mean breathing that warm kitty sweat air.
Oh. I don't know how Ieven lived through it. It was
terrifying. Like I was afraid toget up and use the bathroom. I
wasn't a bed peer. I hada strong ass bladder though, because I
was sure if I stepped down,you know, somebody was gonna grab me
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from under the bed, or CharlesManson and his followers, the hippies,
the hippies if you will, yes, we're going to stab the hell at
him. My gosh. Yeah,terrifying, you know. And when other
kids would talk about like Boogeyman,I'm like, shit, I did the
devil in my closet and Charles Mansonpreepy calling in my house every night,
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A fucking punch a Boogeyman in theface. Here's my leg, which I'm
a little workedop. Okay, Sothat's what really haunted me as a chot.
That is crazy, scary, scarystuff, very scary. Yeah,
that's hardcore, Carmon, that's hardcore. That's a lot to take as
a child. Yeah. So anyway, yeah, Chapter one, Carmen's Trauma.
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What were you scared of? Well, I had two big things that
I remember. Mean, I mean, I also had similar feelings of you
that you did when you know thatsomething was under my bed. I wasn't
thinking Charles Manson, but you knowthat feeling of like, don't let your
feet like dangle over the side ofthe bed. I needed to have my
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feet covered up, you know,just because obviously that layer of blanket protects
you from the person underneath your bed. Yeah, and so I always had
that kind of fear I had,for some reason, always this fear of
or I might have started with anightmare, I'm not exactly sure, of
a huge black wolf with giant redeyes, like Okay, everywhere I went,
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I always felt like I could seethem because I lived in the woods
in Michigan, and I used tothink that this black wolf I could see
its red eyes in my window uplike and not just like a little bit
like way up in the window.And I was on like the second floor
of my house. Somehow that wolfwas still in my window. You know.
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We used to have a basement thatit was later converted into like a
family room, but it was agarage and just like a real basement before
and the stairwell going up from thebasement, or that garage that just creepy
spot in our head. Else,I used to think that a wolf was
down there waiting, so like Ihave to walk really fast past that part
of the hallway right by the stairsso that I wouldn't get eaten by the
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wolf. And I would I wouldfreaking book it across the stairs at the
top of the stairwells so that Iwouldn't get eaten. And I always think,
like, what would happen if mybrother got in front of me,
I'll push him down, all right, Brett? Sorry, Brett. I
guess I kind of explains maybe someof the irrational things kids do, you
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know, like look at your kidsand they're just playing and all of a
sudden they just shove their brother downthe stairs. You know, is the
child possessed or is she afraid ofa wolf? So I'm sacrificing my family
to save my life? Which oneis it? Like, Yeah, I
watched The Lost Boys when I wasabout six or seven years old, and
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so ever since that point, vampires, to me, man were like everywhere,
Like when I closed my you know, I shut my door or in
my room or my lights go off. I had my blanket rolled up to
my neck, pushed in so thatno vampires could bite my neck through my
blanket, and I had a sleeplike that, you know, where it
was just all and nothing could getme because that blanket was the protection I
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needed. You know, I likedthat movie The Lost Boys, and I
watched it when I was you know, I think, probably a teenager,
and uh, I could not helpbut think I would have let Jason Patrick
bite my neck for sure. Inever thought Keith Southern that was cute.
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But Jason Patrick ooh, law,law, Yeah, I could never see.
That's how, that's how somebody couldget me into a van, just
like a cute boy with curly blackhair, perhaps even build blue eyes.
I'd be like, oh, sure, yeah, sure, I'm a lost
girl. I was. I wasactually a lot more street stabbing than that.
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But yeah, that Jason, hehad it going on. I'm not
sure. I can't really tie underthe mullet if he was good looking or
not. Mullet mullet. So thereare a couple of towns that I mean,
there's more than a couple of townsthat have ghost stories attached to them
here in the US and one ofthose is Lake. Now, this is
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going to be hard for me toget out because I'm gonna screw it up.
You know, I'm gonna screw itup. Lake run kan Koma.
Runkonkoma is how you say it?You think Runkonkoma, New York Lake,
Runkonkoma. It sounds. I wonderwhere that comes from. Well, anyways,
it's probably Native American ron khn likeooh like like like a guy named
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Ron was having his own big party. Call it. I was in a
wrong kN Komo. I doubt that'swhere I got it. Same he chun
Kola. Last night, I justsaid my kids to Sunday school on the
bus run con Koma. I can'tsay it. Runkamma run kan Kama is
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a small suburban town outside alone LongIsland, and a lot of people stop
there when they're on their way tothe Hampton's. You know. There.
It can be a stop where peoplemight want to just get a drinker or
a bite to eat or something,or fish. If they really want to
stay for a little bit, youcould take a relaxing fishing trip there.
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I don't know if that's not reallyrelaxing to me, just gonna throw that
out there. Fishing trip a littlebit, a little bit, because I
just wanted to happen already, youknow, like I always want to catch
the fish. I don't want towait that long to catch a fish.
Some people would say that's the bestpart, Jessica. I know, I
know, I know. It's justlike whatever, like that's part of the
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way. Yeah, okay, havinga coma. Other people actually make a
trip out to the lake because they'rehoping to see the ghost that resides there.
The legend has it that way backin the sixteen hundreds, an indigenous
princess. I'm not really sure ifthey're called princesses, not gonna lie,
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definitely say probably not. But thelegend says the princess they probably pronounced the
princess. Oh sorry, yeah,it is New York, that's right.
Fell in love with an englishman.He actually lived on the other side of
the lake than the princess, soI guess it was a big lake and
they had to meet each other inthe middle on the waters to you know,
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spend time with each other. Everynight they would meet in the middle
of the lake and rock the boats. Yeah, maybe rack the boat a
little bit one night. You know, they basically decided that they're going to
run away together and float away together. Yeah, float then run once they
get to land, right, Yeah, yes, so they were going to
do that, and she went outto the middle of the lake and he
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never showed up, so yeah,so what happened was instead she decides to
stab herself and fall into the waterbecause he didn't show up. So she's
known as what a lot of peoplehave heard as the Lady of the Lake?
Have you heard of that before?That legend? But I always wondered
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how long did she wait before shestabbed herself? What if he was just
having a hard time finding his glosshoesor an or what if she just waited
like five minutes and she was like, that's it, that's all I have
for you. How long would youwait, Carmen for your love to meet
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you on the Well, I'm assumingthey didn't have time pieces back then,
so I don't know. I wouldbe like, when the sun starts coming
up, I'm out of here.I don't even know if I'd wait that
long depends on who it is andhow much I really loved him. I
mean, I guess probably slim pickensback then, I probably would have ORed
across the water and stabbed him.I was just gonna say, why would
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she have killed herself? Wouldn't shebe so mad that it seems more likely
that you would go after the man, not after yourself. I don't know,
I'll show him. I'm gonna stabmyself and fall into the water where
people won't find me. No,why would you bring a knife or something
sharp with you to meet the manof your dreams? Anyways, So probably
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you would have a knife on boardfor gutt and fish and stuff like.
It was maybe an in or tacklebox. Is that a thing, because
most people have a knife in theirtackle box Jessica in the sixteen hundreds.
Well, it probably was made outof like sea grass or something. But
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it's a little unrealistic. But soshe's stabs. She kills herself because you
know, she's feeling so depressed,and she falls into the water, and
now she allegedly hunts as a ghostin the water, and she kills one
man at least every year. She'strying to get revenge on her man that
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you know she once loved. Interestingis that there is at least one debt
every year in the lake at leastone drowning every year. Sometimes they're not
always male victims. I guess.Yeah, they do actually close the lake
down because it's dangerous. Well,I love ghost stories, and I think,
you know, more power to her. I think she went about it
all wrong. But whatever she needsto do now. But I have to
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wonder, you know, you gotto wonder about undertow things like that.
It's a large lake. I'm surethere's a lot of things happening under the
surface of the water that we can'tsee. People drunk all the time because
they go fishing, and usually fishingit involves beer at least at a minimum.
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And it's surprising to know this,but many, many people do not
believe that there are actual drunk drivinglaws when you're operating a boat or a
water vessel. Oh yeah, that'strue. So I would think I would
think that, you know, it'spossible that people get a little tipsy,
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or people sometimes overestimate their abilities.They swim too far and then they realize,
crap, you know, I'm halfwayout here. I thought I could
make it to the other side,and then they just exhaust and drown,
or or they get caught by theundertoe or is the undertoe actually just a
ghost toe? Yeah? Ghost.I think that sometimes too, that you
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can actually be caught up in likethe growth underneath. So like if you
attempt to swim, sometimes you gettangled and you can exhaust yourself in that
way too, or can't get loose. I could just be relaxing and people
have died just from get the growthfrom underneath getting tangled around them while they're
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swimming, And that's possible too,Or it could be somebody reaching and pulling
them down. That's more likely.You know that it's not actually growth,
it's a ghost like tangling themselves down. I think you're right. I think
it is much more likely because whatgrows in a lake mud, I think
it's probably a ghost. Okay,we'll go with it's probably a ghost.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, AndI think she's keeping her numbers fairly low
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funny year, Yeah, no suspicionmaking them guess. And I'd like to
know where she met this guy.Yeah, this was there out on the
lake itself. Yeah. Was sheout there just minding her business when some
weird English guy comes over and waslike, I don't know. He probably
was married honestly, and his wifewas like, Nigel, Nigel, you're
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not going out fishing again. You'vebeen fishing every night this week. You're
staying home with the kids. NigelJunior has scarlet fever. Whatever is probably
what happens. That sounds definitely morerealistic as better off without him honestly not
dead though, no, no,uh no, little dramatic if you ask
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me. Okay, So you knowwhat in New England the same kind of
neck of the woods really the Eastcoast, similar story. There's a place
called Stove, Vermont, and youknow we in Vermont, we know it's
very beautiful there. And there isa gold Brook covered bridge is what it's
called. It spans fifty feet andit was built in eighteen forty four and
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it's the oldest living covered bridge inthe country. Covered bridges kind of scare
me. I know that they're romantic, and I know that people often photograph
them and paint them. They werebuilt a long time ago, and it
scares me. And I'm always thinking, like, I'm going to get in
the middle of my Car's going tofall through. Nobody's going to see me
because it's covered. Yeah, Andthey're always like one lane, don't you
ever feel like it's like, yeah, then what this is a mesmerizing and
(22:57):
beautiful covered bridge. It's between wildcrisp trees in Vermont, probably where they
make maple syrup. I'm sure everybodyin Vermont makes it maple syrup. We
know this and people go there toYeah, but in this bridge they have
nicknamed it Emily's Bridge, and thestory is Emily was a beautiful young girl
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who used to go and meet herlover in the middle of the bridge at
night. Why the middle, Idon't know, the yeah, yeah,
why not the edge? Yeah?Why not just drive all the way over
here? Just walk all the wayto my side? Yeah, Like he
really liked her. He'd come overto her side once in a while.
I mean, just right, Imean fair is fair. And also I
mean like women didn't have a lotof rights then, so it wasn't like
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they were equal rights. It wasn'tlike the guy was like listen, I'm
not opening the buggy door. Idon't know, but it was the middle,
and I guess probably for the story, it makes it sound more romantic.
Sure they were, you know,going to be lovers. They were
going to be together forever until thenight he didn't show and he broke her
heart, and so she hung herselfover one of the rafters in the bridge.
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So there's a lot of questions Ihave here, Like one, did
she come with a rope? Shemut either that or she went and got
when came back. Well, hecould have come in the meantime and said
she's not here. She's lucky shedidn't see him hanging from a rope.
But so she somehow managed to geta rope over a rafter which is tall,
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and she hung herself. She died, and she haunts the bridge to
this day. So oftentimes people willsee a woman standing in a lovely white
dress or a white cotton gown,which is always a bad omen. If
you ever see an apparition in awhite gown, get the heck out of
there. Yeah, it's never agood thing. It's never girl scout cookies,
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No bout the legends about the womanin white definitely sat on the road
or wherever. Yeah, what's upwith all these women kill themselves over men?
Though? I mean, I don'tknow. And you know, as
we're telling these stories where we likegetting into the spooky Halloween season, but
these these really are more like youknow Valentine stories, bloody Valentine's. I
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mean, if you just if you'realready to the point where you just felt
like you were ready to leave withthis man, and you already accepted that
you're never going to go back tothe way things work because your family disapproves
or your tribe disapproves of you leaving. You know, you maybe you felt
like you just couldn't go back,and that's why. Yeah, I mean,
especially if you it seems though,here's you know, I don't mean
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to be the jerk who's over analyzingthese love stories, but it seems that
if you're meeting in the middle ofa lake, not a lot of people
know about your love, right,why would you meet in the middle of
the lake. Why wouldn't you justsit around the campfire and you know,
introduce him to your folks and yourpeople, right, you know, if
you're in Emily, why wouldn't youjust let him come over and have some
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pancakes and sirrah, yeah, right, just right, make the guy some
of that snowy syrup stuff. Imean, yeah, maple tappy, yeah
tappy. They do all the timein Hallmark. Should be well known,
right, and we know hallmark istrue. So I'm just thinking, like,
why are there had to be anelement of secrecy for these girls to
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be meeting these guys in the middleof the bridge or the lake. When
you're young, I've you know,made dumb decisions based on love in my
heart. You know, you don'tthink like, oh my gosh, this
guy probably has a family on theother side of the bridge. If you
can't take the person home to meetyour folks, probably a good chance that
he's not the guy for you.There had to be something something wrong with
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the love to begin with. Yeah, definitely. Otherwise, why the why
the cloak and dagger? Why thesecrecy? Do ghosts get issued a white
cotton down? I think that you'reright, like, why white? Why
why are we portraying that? Oryou know, why are we seeing them
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wearing white? Are we saying thatyou know, their souls are white?
Or they are they? I don'tknow. Maybe they wear white so you
can see him better in the dark. Or maybe spirits are just white shadowy
that's the sound that a spirit makes, right, Yeah, because I don't
think all ghosts they wear They don'tthink they wear white. I think it's
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just a lot of a lot ofghosts. Like a lot of lady goes
wear white and you know they alwayshave their hair down, and it's like,
come on, sing yourself up.You really want to scare somebody put
you on at a tight Buttom wherea witch is dressed, that's scared.
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You're a raccarine too. When youwere growing up, did you have a
curfew? Children in Abbeville, Alabama? Very particular curfew. They had to
be home before dark. This wasnot something their parents put in place to
get them to come home early.This was something much darker. People in
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Abbeville, Alabama, have a goodidea of the darkness and the shadows in
the streets and what's really behind thoseshadows. Abbeville is no stranger to tragedies.
There's been a lot of hardship andsegregation through the years. One of
these hardships was when an arsonist burneddown all of Abbeville in the early nineteen
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hundreds. There's no surprise that Abbevillehas some ghosts. On a cold,
dark, rainy night, so bitterlycold, damp and dark, when even
the street lights won't burn and thestriking of a match refuses to yield,
the tiniest flame. On nights likethis, hug and Molly comes out of
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her lang and roams the streets ofAbbeville to see whom she can find.
The first account of Huggin Molly camein the early nineteen hundreds. She is
a woman all clad in black,and she's looking for children. Legend has
it that she's seven feet tall andshe walks the streets looking for victims.
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She seems to have a witch likeappearance, although her behavior is anything but
that. She wears a wide brimhat wandering through the night, she uses
shadows as disguise. Once she's founda victim, she would attack, hugging
the person and screaming loudly into theirears. However, there are no stories
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of her actually hurting anyone. Shesimply hugs them, and while it's terrifying,
that's it. A hugging ghost whois Huggin Molly. Some accounts are
that she is a mother who losther child and she's going after local children
to deal with her loss. Otherlegends suggest that she was murdered. Her
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ghost is trying to fulfill something.Maybe she was killed after dark and nobody
was looking for her. Maybe shewas a school teacher and she's only trying
to keep the students safe by gettingthem off the streets. Or maybe she's
not a ghost at all, butsomeone or something getting dressed up and scaring
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the children. People in Abbeville,Alabama aren't too concerned about Molly, and
even though she's never harmed anyone,children still make sure they're home before dark.
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