November 27, 2025 • 57 mins
This week on AFRICA TAP IN we are joined by journalist William Sakawa. Live from Kenya he tapped us into important stories from Mali, Tanzania, Kenya and more!
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I fricked up happen dap I'm bricked up dapping tappen.
I frecked that dappen, dappen, dapen doing it. Very proud
of my intros, William. I'm very proud of my intro.
I made that intro this morning, William.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's fire, it's fire. I like it. Thank you very much,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You know what, just for that, We're gonna listen to
it one more time.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I frecked happen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Dap I'm bricked up dapping happened.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm fricked that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Dapping, dapping, dapin' doing it now, y'all know, I have
to I have to like mix it properly and everything.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But I'm actually just realizing it too, your voice. I
hadn't realized it was you the first time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
What I frecked?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I hear, I hear it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Now, William. Where are you joining us from today?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm from the capital of Kenya, there new colonial capital, Nairobi.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Nairobi and Nairobi. There's a whole big case going on
in Kenya right now. In the MASSI in the Massa Mara.
We talking about that at all today?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh? Yes, yes, yes, okay, all.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right, Well, we are very fortunate y'all to be doing
the Africa's Happen with William Soakawa and William I'm going
to get the Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You tell us what's going on on the other.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Land in h First of all, thank you very much.
I hope you've been okay since the last time we spoke,
but like what two months ago.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I mean, we're all just trying to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's copy. Yeah, So yeah, about what's happening. We'll start
with the Massaie story. So I think a lot of
us will know Mariott Hotels, the luxury brand of hotels.
So there's a big video that's been doing the rounds
where you have the staff of this hotel Mariot in
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the Massai Mara, the famous Mosai ma lion king you
might remember it from that. So you have, yeah, you
have staff who are like shooing away the wilder beast
and they have these route for migration. So that's of
course rightfully costed quite a star among canyons because it's
it's outrageous, but it's also amblematic of a much bigger problem. So,
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first of all, this is the root the wilder beasts
have used for centuries to migrate. There's probably like a
DNA history in it, Like you know this is this
is the shallowest point of the river to cross, this
is the safest from crocodiles and heappos, So you know
you have it's not just it's not just strandom. There's
a method to it. And then you have this multi
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national hotel coming and just placing its hotel smack in
the middle of the migration route. So yeah, you have
the Messiah elder.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What was the reason that they chose that particular spot.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Isn't it next to like a river or something?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes, yes, yes, it's the border between Kenya and Tanzana,
between the Masaimara and the Sereneity. I think a lot
of it has to do with the mentality of the
modern day conservationists, because it's like a whole movement, and
unfortunately it's the face of it is white and the
beta fun and most insulting is that you've had Africans
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who have believed for centuries, if not millennia, with elephants,
with the cheetahs, with the antelopes, with the wild abasts,
and suddenly you coming from Europe, from London, from Brassels
from Washington whatever, and then you're coming and telling these people, actually,
I think you know how you guys could better relate
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to the environment, could better relate to nature, like you know,
the whole The only reason they are elephants in Africa
is because Africans did not go around killing all of
them for ivory, right, right, So how do you how
do you come to my house and tell me how
how I should do things when I've been doing it
for centuries, if not thousands of ways. So that's a
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bit of most insulting. But then if this bit doesn't
make sense, then what are they truly hereful? I formally
believe it's about control of land and control of resources,
basically just saying colonial we've never really ended, we still
have it here. The most visible aspect of it I
find is the displacement of the Messiah of these past
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released communities from their lands. And it's sort of there's
two sides of messed up to it. Because the more
climate change affects the planet, the lesser we have resources
in terms of pasture, in terms of water, so you
have less resources, and then you have these conservationist the
companies for conservations figures, the Prince Williams or whatever, you know,
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all of them, and then they come and tell you, actually,
you guys need to move a bit more.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So what they're calling it conservationism, because we just had
a really brilliant woman, Joy Malonga. I here, joam Alonza,
I'm here talking about conservationism. What makes them conservationists? Because
I think that they seem to present like their conserving environment,
but they're really conserving colonialism?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Would you agree.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
One hundred percent? I mean, that's that's exactly how I
put it. The main agenda is basically about control of
African resources, control of African land. If you look, for example,
the Mario Tratail, and you're talking about that I opened
in the fly Marrow. They're charging three thousand and five
hundred dollars a night. That's not not the one percent
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of the one percent of Kenyons are the only people
who could possibly afford to go and stay overnight at
the Mario Hotel. So you have something that has this
much impact on the ecosystem, being the you know, a
result of a very very small minority of here speaking
about the very few wealthy canyons, and of course the
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white people who like you know, like to come to
the masigmar, like to go in Sofari game rights. But
ultimately it's about control of African land. This is basically
colonialism in continuation. If we think colonialism and that it's
still here, it's still here, and this is the perfect
example of it. So I mean to the point about
the list. So you have people who are already disenfranchised
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by climate change, there's fewer pasture, there's fewer water, and
now suddenly they have to move again where there's even
fewer passions, fewer water because conservation is from the west
coming tell them, yeah, we need this land, conserve animals.
And again, just back to the point of it earlier,
the only reason these animals are with us today is
because African, the indigenous people conserved it. How many infants
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are there in Europe or maybe that's a bad example,
but how much how much we.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Give you an example.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So in Ireland they had actually I'll come back to this,
but in Ireland they had actually hunted.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The I think it was the fox.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
They hunted the fox like to extinction in Ireland, and
so they literally had messed up the And let me
say this also, it's probably not the Irish that did that, right,
it's the British who come and colonize and they do this,
but they mess up the ecosystem because now they kill
the super predator etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So not super predator,
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that's not the word I mean, but y'all know what
I'm saying. So what happened is they literally have to
now reintroduce wildlife to the landscape because humans disrupted it.
My thing is, why is it always the same humans
doing this?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Can we crack the code?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I forget what Africans call said this, but his whole
argument was that the prison or yeah, basically the reason
why colonialism was moral Ukay, the reason they could go
to sleep at night and they're going to do all
this mess up stuff is because of the climate they
were in. I'm not saying with it's valid or not.
I'm just presenting a theory. So he's saying, there's the
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cold hatch climate where you go for months without maybe
cross that could grow, where the wildlife, where life in
general goes on the ground. That kind of developed a
cold sentimentality to them, which is why now you know
there's these grabby people and an analogy that I usually
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find funny is they say, you know, if you lived
in Britain, that cold, wet, sundless island and it got
the chance to leave the Thailand and go somewhere, all
my should do it. So yeah, yeah they're miserable. So yeah,
we're just yeah, we'll just start to do it's intoir nature.
(08:51):
But again I'm almost saying like I'm supporting the theory
or not. I'm just presenting it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Dang. So what I did see is, so let's want
to show you guys. So up top here where you
see that line, that is where the hotel is built.
It's on that border to my understanding, And as you
can see, there's a river, the Mara River. The hotel
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is built on the Mara River. And so the wilde
beasts they travel through the Mara River and it's a
very like like William said, it's a low crossing. It's
where the river is the shallowest and so and it's
also not just wilde beasts that travel this river. I
mean that travel this this migration. I know that there's
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other animals too that are traveling this migration. What it
also says though, is that you know they don't care
about anything.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like I know that we say like, oh, they just
don't think we're human. But I mean, to my understanding,
like these type of folks don't even care about human either,
so why would they care about wilde beasts?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But it's not just that wilde beasts are.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And let me just show you so some of y'all
can see what wilde beasts are. So here's the wildebeest
crossing at the Mara. Okay, look how many will the
beasts there are? So here's my question to you, William.
Aside from keeping the wilde beasts alive, what is the
connection of these animals to the Masaimara besides just literally
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just and I know there's a name, I know the
answer to.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
This, but I'm just asking for the sake of answering.
But what is the cause?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Then?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I think these folks are like, what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They'll just have to reroute, which is.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Just I just need y'all to know this. All the
white people on here.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
If I'm walking down the street, if I'm walking on
a sidewalk and white people are walking on that sidewalk,
I'm in a revolution.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I'm in my own little revolution. William, I'm not moving.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I'm not And I was in Grenada the other day
on my island, William and there was a there was
a walk and I was like, I see these three
British people walking towards me, and I was like, I
hope they know I'm not moving. We might we might
have the scrap right here on this little pathway. They moved,
they moved to the side.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They were like, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I was like, good, good, good, Remember where you are
so please. What is the connection of the animals beyond
simply just like we we respect that they have their route.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think the chief reason that the animals migrate is
to look for pasture. You synthesizes of the hearts of
the wilder beast, so I can't imagine a lot of
them in the same place. Would obviously consume a lot
of grass and a lot of vegetation. So it makes
sense that from the vegetation become slower. And then there's
the other side, which she is. Basically it exploit here
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that there's simply across the river and go to the
other side. I think that the most important is you
say they could simply we're out. Let's remember that will
the base have not started crossing the from the Masai
Mara to the Serengeti yesterday. This is something that is
century upon centuries of tradition, which means many, many will
the beast generations before them have the opportunity or have
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the chance to like explore different parts of the river
and the heart. Basically, you know, Settler, the fact that
you know, if we go this way, then we'd have
the best chance of success in terms of getting to
the other side, which means maybe the river is shallow,
maybe there are less crocodiles, I mean, you know, less predators.
So that is a sort of explanation behind it. And
then now try to reconcile that to someone who cans
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to canyon tells you, actually, I have a plan for
helping you guys conserve the environment, and by doing that,
I'm going to put a hotel smart in the middle
of the migration route. This just shows, as you said this,
the conservation is not their concern. What their concern is
how do we control African land, how do we control
African resources. That has been the motive since fourteen fifteen hundred,
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and it's still going on today. You know, a lot
of US people think yeah, or Barack Obama was the
first black president, or black people free, you know, started
the former chief of Defense. Often I forgretsive of the
name is black. So you know, black people are represented,
so why should they complain you're basically free movie. Yeah,
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there's always.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Been and there's always been black people who allow themselves
to be utilized for the advancement of the establishment and
of colonialism and of capitalism, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like that's always been the case.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
There's always been people who are willing to not be
on code.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So and for what it's worth.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Let me also note Barack Obama's fathers from Kenya. That
ends up being like a marriage, right, because if you
people don't realize that a lot of people don't realize
that the United States still functions like a monarchy in
terms of who it puts in office and who's connected
to what and how that allows for these like continued
connections to other countries. And in monarchies, they used to
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just marry people so that they could have a diplomatic connection.
Like it wasn't like, oh I love this lady, it's like, no,
I'm trying to have some bond over here. With Germany,
so we about to marry you to some German cat
and Obama being Indian, I mean Obama being Kenyan. That's
what that was about, in my opinion. And by the way,
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you got Kamala and she's Indian and you see they
trying to figure out what to do over there.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But what else is going on?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
H okay? Apart from the Masaiah mar stuff, we also
have officially, I think the war on barrass has been
issued for a British soldier. So we've goes back through
twenty twelve twenty thirteen, where my whole like point is
that you have this she was twenty one at the
time and she was killed. She was a Kenyan walker.
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Reports said she was a sex walker. I think that's
like the general understanding of it. So reporter one of
the British soldiers killed her and then boasted about it
on Facebook and for since twenty thirteen to now, that's
some watch twe obvious you have the murder, the main
mode suspect voting about it on Facebook, but it takes
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you thirteen years to issue a warrant of arrest. And
someone made a very good point in that. Imagine if
the roles were verust. Imagine it was a Kenyan soldier
on British soil who had defiled and killed British woman.
Only it takes thirteen years to bring that Kenyan min
to justice. It obviously would right they.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Brought to justice, they would end up being unlived before
they even had to go to court.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah. Yeah, so let's just tied into the old Mara
story again. Basically that colonelism never really ended. You can
see the inequalities in power here. So yeah, that's something
major that's been happening around Kenya. Next, our neighbor, Tanzania
had elections. I'm pretty sure you must have seen about it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Now I live in the United States. We don't see
about anything.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
If I know.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's why, that's why it's so important to have you
all come on the show. Because the geo, the geo,
the concept that we are on a globe is very
new for a lot of Americans.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
William, we don't get news, we don't get.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Understood.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So yeah, talk to us like we're five year olds.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Okay, Okay, So Tanzania we had a presidential election where
the main candidate one with ninety eight percent of the vote.
But you know, a lot of people have been calling
to question. You know, you won with ninety eight percent
of the vote, but you have to do the swearing
in ceremony in a military training ground where zero members
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of the public are allowed to participate. You have widespread
riots covered and there is not the same level of
support in terms of Actually it's the fun thing because
you even have like official African bodies, like the South
African Development Community. I think, yeah, you have even them
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like saying, you know, we have issues with the elections.
For one, you guys were intimidating opposition runners. You guys
intimidated the media. There's been a series of abductions of
key presidential candidates. It's not a level playing field. So
for you to win this ninety eight percent, you also
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have to look at okay, but what the election fair?
Which is it wasn't fair? Now, I'm just yeah, yeah,
like that's what.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Always irritates me.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm just like, why are y'all even at least make
it a little more like you like you try.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like do do seventy percent? It's bad, but it's not
ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Like that's just not true. I mean, no one believes that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, So I mean of course, in startling circles, there
have been I feel rightful concerns. People have been correctly
concerned that maybe the CIA is trying to like overthrow
a government. This is something that has happened a lot
of times before. This is something the CIA always So
you know, this is not this is not a far
veget idea. But on that I'm not gonna say it's
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not possible. But I don't think it's lightly. I could
be wrong, but I don't think it's likely.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Do you think it. If it's not that, then what
do you think it could be?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah? You have the Yeah, you have the Trauma Chamapindozy party,
which is the main party. It's been in power since independence.
And this is something that I feel applies lately or
recently so a lot of African countries Mozambique, I think, Botswana.
So when this parties came to power during independence, a
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lot of Africans had a lot of hope in them,
like this is what we expect you guys to do.
This is how far we want you guys to take
the country. But all you have instead is a consolidation
of the elite. Yes, the white man left, but the
black people he left only look after themselves. This is
the case is South Africa. The last elections was the
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first time the ruling African National Congress Party got less
than fifty percent since nineteen ninety four. So this is
basically African beople sending a message, yes, you guys, yeah,
it was independence from white people, but we don't feel
like the rules of independence are being distributed like to
each according to their need. So this is the case
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with the CCM, and which is why I think it's
I don't think it's the maybe CIA or some Western
intelligence agency involved because for a time, you know, the
country of Julius Nerera, he had very good, very clear
socialist policies in terms of benefit of the many. And
then I think nineteen seventy seats, you have this new
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president coming in, this new chairman of the CCM party,
and then he introduces new liberalism. And this is around
the time when the Irons is really starting to recrute
in Africa. And his nickname actually is mister Permission, Yes,
mister Rush, which means he basically permitted any multinational corporation.
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He opened up Tanzania to the world markets. But the
fact of that is one of the conditions of the
iron methods, you know, is the state has to step back,
The state has to let the private sector steppy, uncontrolled
trade and controlled industry all that. And one of the
consequences of this was that you had industries where the
state was involved, which means the state had direct impact
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on a lot of ordinary Tanzanians. So mister Rockshire comes in,
mister Permission cramps in, and the state pulls back. The
consequence of that is now there is not unemployment. And
this is just one If you look at maybe the
running of the city, this is the basic story around
all of Africa. Who rents became high all that, which
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is again a key feature of capitalism. So starting from
the seventies, I feel the CCM, which had very good
policies under Julius Nerrera before, changed into capitalism and new liberalism.
And of course this benefits very few people. It might
make the country rich like South Africa, but this world
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will only be felt by very few people, which means
you have many more people who are dicent franchised, many
for more people who do not leave a life of dignity.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
So of some of the industries, I'm sorry, I'll have
to get back to that. I can get them off
the top of but I'll definitely give back to that.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Okay, yeah, but I mean usually it's stuff like maybe
cement making, steel making. But I don't through like, I
don't like generalize and say something not you're so, yeah,
I'll have to get back to that. So since the seventies,
you have this is the legacy of the CCM. It
enriches few people but makes millions more miserable. So it's
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no surprise that many many Tanzanians do not feel a
connection to the political process. And I think what we
saw that this contently. So it's not that the CIA
came and started manufacturing did this content in Tanzania. So yeah,
the last week for Tanzani. Unless you've got anything else,
I could move on to Mali. No, I'll come back
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to Kenya and then to Mali.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
All right, where with you we're right?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
What's okay? Okay? Okay? So in Kenya about a month
and two weeks ago we had the death of Rhylodinger
and then of course we had guys like Barack Obama
treating you know, I mean, he had an impact, but
this impact is something a cult question. Let's he's like
a Bannis Okay, I don't know. This might offend with viewers.
(23:13):
I'm sorry, but it's like a Bannis Slanders type of figure. Right.
He preaches, he preaches revolution. He says, you know, the
society should be more equal, all the stuff made a
care for all. Inequality is a problem, which is which
is good? And then he gets the chance to in
a position to make the change and does nothing. So
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that's why I make the Bannislanders comparison. So for Reiler,
before ninety eighty two, we only had one party, we
had a one party system in the country. This was
can This was the Independence Party. And of course he's
credited not by himself, but he was among a body
of Kenyons who actively agitated to have multi party democracy
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have less repression by the MOI regime. So I'll give
him that. But my suspicion, which.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Is what I want to find this picture. What's his name?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Rayler or Dinga?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
How do I spell that Rayler?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It sounds I got it?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I always forget, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's Africa, it's Africans.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's spelled how it sounds Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So yeah, Rayler was a pretty i say, popular figure
which is the biggest strategy for me, because we have
millions and millions of Kenyan people who put their thrust
in him. Watch every single time Ryler hard the opport
you need to make a difference. He betrayed the Kenyan
working class. This is what it's basically. He was. He
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was an opportunist the previous elections. Basically every time there's
been elections, most of the time, or like two or
three times, he's been dropped of the elections. That's that's fact.
And then you know, he obviously goes through the streets.
He tells his the porters, this is not free, this
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is not fair. I've got to hit the street. You've
got a protest. And then of course I'll say, this
is someone who got more than fifty percent, so he
commands the sizeable portion of the country. And when he
decides to protest, obviously the country is going to come
to a standstill. The economy is going to grind down.
So at some point, even if you stole the elections,
you have to come and talk to him, because if
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you don't talk to him, Western companies are not coming
to invest in Nairobi because Nairobi is unstable. Simple as that.
So that's the sort of power he wielded. But whenever
he got the opportunity, okay, when.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He builds that power just to be in power, Like
it's not like he uses the power.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He just wants to be able to be there.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So he goes to the people, he wrangles them up,
riles them up, and says, no, put me back in power, like,
don't let them do.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
This to me.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And they're like okay, because he did get something done
to him. So he is a victim, but he uses
that he uses that victimhood just to put him self
in power and not to actually utilize his power to
help the real victims, which are the Kenyan people who
are being misrepresented and neglected.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I couldn't put it better. That's the perfect that's the
perfect summary of who ryloading it is. And then it
goes a step further because as I said, whenever he
comes close to power, he does nothing for the people,
but he does something for himself. Usually there's something called
a handshake. In two thousand and seven, when he I
think the first time he ran as president and the
elections was stolen from him. Part the aargreement was okay,
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we'll share the government fifty fifty. There are no working
class people represented in the government. It was people close
to him politically, people who are wealthy enough to participate
in Kenyon politics. Two thousand and seven. Next elections happen.
In twenty and eighteen, same thing happens. So they call, oh,
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we will have to talk to Ryler, bring Rayler to
the table. No, I think that was twenty eighteen, because
we had a Hurukene are coming in twenty thirteen, runs
his five terms and then runs four second time in
twenty twenty seventeen, and then Ryler gets the election stolen
from him again, so of course he goes to protests.
We even had a boycott of two major corporations, one
(27:16):
the president's dairy company called brook Side and two of
the main telecommunications company called Safaricom, which is apparently also
one of the biggest financial players as well. Call it
a facilitates money transductions. So after, of course, you know,
Kenya's unstable, we cannot come to new investments coming in
(27:36):
the Western investors are you know, they're igitus, they're not
sure that they should invest in this environment. So if
we want them to come and give us billions of dollars.
We have to speak to Ryler. That is exactly what
they did. Rayler comes again, it's his people who are
in cabinet. It's his people who get tenders for maybe
supplying oil, sugar, this kind of stuff. Basically, he's in
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opposition to make money from the government and his friends
are in a position to make money from the government.
These have been the outcome every single time. So every
thing where I say, I don't say it's it's a
saying basically that systems should be judged for what they do,
not for what they say. So by the same metric,
(28:21):
Raylo Dinger should be judged for what he did and
not for what he said. So, you know, as much
as the spoke good game about oh I should save
the people, Oh the people are oppressed, he never really
put his foot to it when he talks really imagined.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
But do the people still believe him when he says that.
So I think that's me here in.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yes, I see. If Vanny Sanders was to come again today,
you po both virtue him. Right.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know, it's interesting because they all kind of do
the same thing where they do what's called breadcrumbing, where
they kind of like they give you this a little
bit enough to like wet your palette and make you
feel like, oh, look they gave us something. I mean,
I've dealt with this dating right, Like you're dating someone
and they do like a good thing. You're like, look,
(29:14):
and then they do it. Then they do a bunch
of whack things and you're like, oh, you're whack. But
then they're like, no, look I did this nice thing.
And so that is the dynamic. And I'm just like,
what is it about the masses that they don't disengage
from that. I'm trying to solve this, William I swear.
(29:37):
I feel like if I could just like unplug from
the United States and just live like on the land
with no interruptions for three months, I can figure it out.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a much discussion. Of course, what I
say is not I don't say like this is for facts,
what will rightfully work. But I think it's a problem
of political education. People make this choices, They make the
poor choices because they don't really understand the impact of
politics in their lives. A big mobilization technique during Kenyan
(30:09):
elections is money a politician steals from you for five
years comes back, gives you two dollars, two dollars advisor,
vote yes, right, This politician goes back to Parliament and
makes all that money back. Why this is the real.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Thing here in the United States, Okay, a very thing
that people are now starting to see. They're like, now,
hold on a minute now.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Because I think a lot of people also didn't realize
that politicians are making money.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
You know, like n.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Naty Pelosi has made two hundred million dollars since she
has been in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
What's the salary again.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
The salary for the House of Representeds. It's something like
one hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh, she'd have to work forever. It's made two hundred million. Again. Yeah,
this politicians, it's insulting. It's insulting. Really, I give you
one dollar and I take one hundred dollars from your
back pocket. That's the entire dynamic. That's exactly how it
(31:30):
works in our contest. And as I just said, in
years as well. So the question is why the hell
do voters, why the hell does the electually electorally still
make these decisions? And I think it goes back to
political education. People don't really realize the fact that these
two dollars I'm taking right now will cost me. Healthcare
(31:50):
will cost me, roads will cost me, education will cost
me infrastructure. This is something that if I actually someone
who didn't give me the two dogs, and I actually
had a progressive attender, if I'd actually voted for him instead,
my life will be much better off in five years
as opposed to lease A the politician. But we don't
do that, So I think it's a question of we're
(32:11):
not properly informed. So it's it's now. I think the
hardest task is that, or the toughest appeal to swallow
is that this is what that has to be done.
It's hard, it's grassroots, it's grimy, but there is no
other way other than political education. That's once you build,
Once you have an established educated grassroots dald is your oyster.
(32:37):
That's that's how I see it. It's a very hard.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Then was on the show recently and she was talking
about how really what's happening in Bourkina fossil is possible
because there was a really committed effort to political education
that took place even before Trio Ray was in power.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, you have a lot of the words say, oh,
the Bukina fossor authoritarian, or the Bukinas faster detat, you know,
some along those lines. But I usually like to say,
before Frare, we had Damiba, who rules for I think
less than a year. And it wasn't okay. Before Damiba,
we had Compowdery. It was Compowder who killed Sankara, I
think compowered rule booking a fast for either twenty four
(33:15):
or twenty eight years. But let's remember it was booking
a fast people who removed Blaze Compowder from power. These
same people gave Damiba a mandate. Then Damiba, instead of
doing what the people told him, he still went back
in bed with the French. Then the people said, you
know what, if you're not going to do what we want,
(33:37):
you're also going to go out. So I say, Fraare
is a product of a very pure form of democracy.
Americans don't have democracy. The West doesn't have democracy. It's
the bankers, it's the landlords, it's the real estate agents,
it's the tech bros who controlled the democracy. How much
(33:58):
in bailouts was given to in two thousand and eight,
how much has been given to companies like Nvidia, Microsoft?
A lunch here, right, now how much of that is
being given to the normal working class American So whose
interest are being served by this democracy which America says, oh,
we're the world's greatest democracy, but does it show. But
for Bulkino Fasso, you have construction of you have rapid industrialization,
(34:24):
you have rapid construction of infrastructure. You send the roads
being constructed day and night. In Nisia. You have a company,
the French company that's been taking uranium for free, art
in college for free. Because if I print, if I
take a piece of paper, write something on it, put
a stamp, give it to you. But in exchange for
(34:45):
this paper, I want you to go someplace. I want
you to work in the sun. I aren't you to
walking me sweat and aren't you to actually bring me
something useful. All I have to do is print of paper,
write something on it, stamp it. But you have to work.
That's free, that's free resources. That's the kind of relationship
that France has with these countries, or hard these countries
(35:06):
like Ninia. So can't say it and tells France, you
know what, screw off, we're checking on agrenium. Orno, get
out of here. I'm going to go to.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We were just like, you wasn't here like this, and
I said, let me not. I don't want to say
nothing because William.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Is cheffing it up right now.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
You were, yeah, let's let's go.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Let's go in here. Like the chat was even quiet.
The chat was like, let me just not interrupt him
because he's he's clicking right now and we need to
stay focused.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Okay, look at the wrist. So let's talk about Molly.
Molly is a landlocked country that is bordered by Algeria
or Time, Senegal, guine Ca, Divois, Bokina, Faso, and nijer Is,
and Mali is part of the Sahel.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Union.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Correct, Yeah, it's it's actually you know, people give it
might be the wrong thing to say, but you know
we love booking a fast a lot traures or fail right,
you know, but I feel usually of a Luk Mali.
I firmly believe if it wasn't for Mali, Bookina Faso
won't get the independence it got. Explosion for Mali, Nize
(36:34):
won't care the independence it got. Maley was the first
country to break away from France in twenty twenty. Mali
it was alone, you know, at least and boast was
coming in. At least Maley was there. You know, they
have someone you know, hey brother, you know the French
are kind of squeezing us here, help us.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That was the doesn't it was something they could count.
But Mali, it's the land of monster Musa. Actually yeah,
it's it's actually maybe poetic that it's the first country,
i say, in Africa to actually break free from colonial
or new colonial chains. So now recently just you know,
(37:12):
let me not get two carried away. Recently, the multinational
corporation Barry Gold. It's a maybe top ten in terms
of mining companies in the world. It's pretty important they
finally come to an agreement with Smili. But this is
the problem that started from twenty twenty three, so it's
something that's taken two years for them to resolve. So
in twenty twenty three, Miley passes a new mining court.
(37:35):
And this is not just to show you that while
the rest of Africans will say we have democracy because
we vote, but the people of Mali actually have democracy
because what they want happens for them before go eater
camp see it. I think the rate was fifteen percent
every that's ok.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I want a pain in this.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I want to put a pin in this really really quickly.
When you're saying they have democracy because they're getting what
they want.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
And you can come back to this because I know you.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I've already figured out how your brain works, So come
back to this when you're done making your point. But
I want you to explain to us what you think
is this mechanism that allows for that that's different in
other places.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I actually think this is the result of basically, the
more you oppressed people, the more they want you to resist.
What is it Neutron's second love motion. So every action
there's an equal and opposite reaction. So the more you
oppress people, the more they resist. Take Israel and Palestine,
the more they oppressed Palestinians, the more the likelihood that
(38:41):
a probos evant are going to happen. This is simply
the natural consequence of oppression. So I think the let
me not say lucky factor, but I think the important
factor here is that, yes, the people of Mali, the
people of the Pall, the people of Franco Freak all
have very from opinions towards France, and it's negative. But
(39:03):
in terms of what can we possibly do you know,
France is a member of NATAL. You saw what NATO
did to Libya through RACK to Afghanistan, right, So it
has to be someone who has the capacity to like
effect change.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's just someone with a backbone. See that's basically what
you're saying. Do you literally like ya?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's not that deep, Amanda. It's just got to be
someone with a backbone.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
But yeah, but as well, the backbone has to have
a big stick because, as I say, the average civilian
might not really have much they can do. And now
this is somewhere where usually if the civilians want this,
but in most of the times, the military in many
countries are part of the elite. So the elite has
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an interest in making sure the situation remains the same,
let's not have a change. They benefit from the stage
of school. So that is why in the other fifty
four or fifty or forty seven other African there hasn't
been something similar to what happened in the hell because
a lot of these militaries also feed at the track,
you know, in terms of in terms of for example,
(40:11):
nobody audits what the military gets in terms of okay,
here's the annual budget the military is getting this amount
of money nobody ever got to check. Okay, so you
guys said, you put this, okay where in the.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
United States, But it doesn't mean anything. The tagonist every artist,
which is right paying taxes, like people just paying taxes
to these people to do whatever they want with them exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
So maybe if I put the Pentagon one as an example,
do you really expect someone who's maybe a major general
who's got a job waiting for him at Lacked, marching
at Boeing at Rathion, you will expect him to do
a cup that will actively harm the interest of Boeing
and raytheon and what whatever. It won't happen. So that's
exactly what's been happening elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You just said something that I feel like I haven't
paid attention to, which is that our military itself has
an elite class. You know what I'm saying, Like, I
feel like I haven't really like, like, the United States military.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Itself has an elite class. And thus.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Even when they get to the certain ranks of the military,
they they leave the lower ranks, so to speak, not
just by not just by designation, but also by like
their level of access to also funds and status and
then they get to retain that by pivoting to these
(41:52):
other corporations every I think it's the last three or four.
The last three or four secretaries of Defense for the
United States were all all CEOs and had all served
at major weapons manufacturing companies.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Exactly. So you would expect Lloyd Austin to suddenly do
a people's revolution for the United States of America. It
simply won't happen. So I think this is something that
was an anomaly in terms of the alliance of the
health state, where you have soldiers who are relatively high
access in terms of the military hierarchy, who are also
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grounded in the people to see what's happening.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
But what But that's what you have to figure out, William.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
What is it about them?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Why why were they able to still retain that?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Because I can tell you that I'm somebody who I'm
an anomaly, Like I went to Hollywood, I made it.
I'm super talented, I could, I'm pretty, I could, I'm
light skinned, like I could have gone the distance, okay,
like in terms of capitalism in the United States, I
could have really on the whole distance and got the
(43:02):
bigger house, and I could have been a movie star.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
It never.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Was attractive to me because there was always the groundedness
of yeah but yeah, yeah, yeah, so like and I
know that that's because I came here apparently with a
(43:28):
certain soul. But then I also had a lot of
like building while I was a kid, Like I was
always hearing Jimmy cliff Rest some peace in my house.
I was always hearing like there was always revolutionary aspects
around me that I feel like made their way into
my cellular structure from day one.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
And so I just wonder about these men.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's why every time we have white people on this
show that I considered to be high quality whites, I
always ask.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Them, how did you get like this? I'm trying, I'm
trying to all something here. So I think about that.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
When you say, like, these men were able to do
a people's revolution because they were high ranking, it's still
grounded in the people. But why how do they manage
to be both three.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Is a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I'd say
it has to do said about the Every action has
an equal and opposite reaction. I think France is among
the most vicious neo colonial powers. Nija was the second
poorist country in the world, but has been supplying around
(44:46):
thirty percent of Europe of France's electricity.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Let me tell you something. When you fly over in
the air, you like, what's here? What's here? Like you,
it looks but yeah, because they're stealing everything.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
From it, exactly, exactly. Yeah. The uranium that should have
been used to light up NIA was used to light
up the a Field tower. And now this is just
to show you. France comes and says, yeah, colonialism and
you know you're friends. Now, then why not share nuclear
technology with Nia? Why not let them utilize their own resources?
(45:26):
And again this just to show you the qualitative difference
between these governments before and after.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I hope I want to let me also add though,
for you guys, when you hear the word nuclear, that
doesn't necessarily mean weaponized nuclear utilization, like nuclear is also
used to create electricity, you know, to to like actually
like make places functions. So when we hear nuclear, we
always think, oh, so they're going to have nuclear weapons,
(45:54):
and that's not It's about it's being able to refine
what you have to you as a source of power.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Definitely, definitely. I mean, look, look, even if they wanted
nuclear weapons, man, you know, there's a reason North Korea
hasn't been invaded, and there's the reason Libya has fallen.
If Kadafia had nuclear weapons, maybe not, you won't have
killed them and turned Libya into an opening a slave market.
But again that's beside the point. So I believe the
reason that these three countries were the ones that gave
(46:25):
Africa its fast revolution is because they are also the
more oppressed. You have, Nija gets seventy percent of its
allectricity from Nigeria, but Nija's Iranian iwer was twenty five
thirty percent of France. How does that make sense? Right?
So I think fortunately you also have also remember that
(46:48):
these military people, they also come from these communities. There's
like a Now, this is why I'll say maybe chance,
because there was a chance that someone who's less politically
inclined revelutold have been in the place of Chini, but
Chany who was there. But even then we had Bazoom
before Bazoom was the president, before General Channey came in,
(47:09):
and Bazoom was the darling of France. Bazoom is the
reason why France was getting uranium for free. Then you
have Channy coming in and saying you know what. Yeah, actually, yeah,
you know, you're not exporting anymore what you have in
the warehouse. We're going to keep that. Matter of fact,
I think they actually sold the uranium for Russia recently.
I'll have to confirm, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's and people were like, no, they shouldn't do business
with Russia either. And it's like, listen, if Russia buying it,
seal it, they're not.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
You're not the uranium. They say, we'll pay you for
your uranium.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
They're all taking you for free like France. Basically, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Is that when we look at these countries, we are
thinking about them as in like as individuals and silos,
but they're on a globe, and we had, particularly in
the United States, we are very much t tricked into
feeling like the United States is the only thing that's here,
and it's not.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
By the way, right already here we've been. We've been
talking now for a damn near.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Hour because William came and said, I'm gonna tell y'all
about the whole continent.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So let's wrap up, Mally.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Let's wrap up Marley. So yeah, the same thing with
Nija taking back his resources in twenty twenty three, Marley
produces the new mining code before they're getting us in
fifteen percent. Then they increase and said for every operation
you guys are doing here, we want thirty five percent. Yeah,
then you have this big dog very good said you
know what, fuck you man, You've got to give you
thirty five percent. So while he said, let's say okay,
(48:50):
they arrest the CEO, they arrest a few employees and
they told them we've got to give us five hundred
million dollars. And on top of that the goal that
was in the warehouse. They are the same thing with media.
You know, you're not exporting this goal. This is now
under control of the stage and so the new guys, actually,
you have taxes, you need to backdatee. All that kind
(49:10):
of stuff. So that's what's been happening since tweet. And
then you have now they finally come to an agreement.
But before this, actually Barak goal finally went to it.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Very very good. That sounds like an Israeli name, it.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Does it does? Actually, yeah, yeah, but I think it's Canadian.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
So they go to Zionists.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, same difference. So I think they go to a
wild arbitration court and then the proceedings have been going on,
but behind the scenes, they've also been talking. So now
many are still a Bara Gold. Okay, look, we're going
to drop the case. You are going to get your
license back, We're going to release your employees. But just
think you to thirty five percent. That's the rate. And
(49:56):
on top of that, I don't know exactly the figure,
but again she paid millions of dollars. Maybe in line
is what they told the barrier to pay in terms
of back taxes. But yeah, that's basically it. The point
actually is they're cool with some people that are disappointed.
Let's say, oh, Malie should have kicked Barry Goals completely out.
And this just goes back to your point earlier, just
(50:19):
before I started speaking, where I feel we do not
live in an ideal world so long as the principle
of which is rooted in revolutionary spirit. Mali, for example,
Mali is not in a position to process its own
goal right now. It could use with the tactical help
from people who already established. But if they can get
(50:41):
a good deal suty five percent, I think that's the
highest in Africa. Thuty five percent of that changes.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, the change is solely because once you elevate your rate.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Now it becomes a new precedent that everyone has to
respond to, so controlling the precedent versus the outsider, which
is what colonialism has always done. And you shouldn't be
able to control your own precedent. This is why, like
whenever if an artist tells me that their piece is
twenty thousand dollars, I'm like, okay, I may not pay
for it, but.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I yeah, yeah, I respect it.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
I respect it.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
You have bece of twenty thousand dollars, all right, baby,
I don't got it, but I respect it. The last
thing I'll take away from this, though, that I'm listening to,
is you know, what you're saying about France is that
they essentially were so oppressive that it was felt by
all there was a universality to the oppression and so
(51:44):
no one remains unscathed. And that is the thing that
a lot of places, that's where they messed up.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Actually, because.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think that's a brilliant point. It might have a
popular life book, because remember, in twenty eleven you have
the killing of Gaddaffi, and the consequence of that is
it's was to ask you right now, what three places
you think are famous for terrorism. You're gonna the Middle
East is gonna be somewhere at the top of your list.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You're gonna say the United States, and then I'm gonna say, Okay,
I'm gonna say Israel. Then I'm gonna say the States,
and then I'm gonna say England.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Okay, Yes, but the average person maybe you say, you know,
the Middle East is somewhere here, right, But since Gaddaffi
felt the Middle East is now at the top place,
we have the helm. So this is the place with
the most terrorism related death in the world in twenty
three streak of eighty seven hundred people killed by terrorists.
(52:48):
The terrorists, well, the same people not or armed and
funded to kill Gaddafi. So they killed Gaddaffi and it's like, Okay,
we have guns, we have cars. What do we do.
Who goes south? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (53:02):
But they armed.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Like I've seen enough movies, they're armed, and they are
absolutely being controlled and influenced and in cahoots with some
white guy in khakis who wears, you know, sunglasses and
looks very nondescript.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
But it's absolutely out there. Haven't y'all ever seen the Caario.
There's some white man who's.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Showing up in a in a two loose in a
shirt with a loose it'll be a T shirt, but
the collar is really loose, like it's been put on
too many times. And he's just showing up and having
these real casual commers because he's.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
The cool white guy.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Yes, he has a Oh my god, William, you nailed it.
He has aviator glasses, yes.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And a mustache and he's just there and you know,
and he's wearing flip flops indiscriminately, and he's like having
these conversations with these folks. And then he comes back
and sits in a meeting at Langley and says, well,
this is what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Now, that's exactly what I mean. Another key story I
might have lost over in the interest of time, was
that there was a plan to collapse Miley a few
weeks ago. Maley has been under a severe fuel shortage
because the terrorists have been ambushing fuel trucks. You remember,
Maley is the landlocked country, so every bit of fuel
(54:22):
they get has to be shifted by trucks. Now, these
theorists have been ambushing these trucks. But somehow, Now this
is where I mean it goes back to the point
where I say, let's not be idealistic. Yes, we want
our Malei Buchina. They have to be free, but to
get there they have to make partnerships with certain countries.
I'm gonna say this, if it wasn't for Russian corporation,
(54:46):
I don't think the as will be viable our state
as it is today because from the very moment Maley
kicked out France, France has been trying to knock down Mali.
Now here's a quick question. Do you reckon on, think,
kept constant. Do you think Mali will be able to
defeat France. They don't have the same level of resources.
(55:06):
France is a member of NATO, has access to maybe
all the satellite networks in the world, as access to
CIA intelligence is the one actually funding these terrorists. So
it's unfair to tell Mali no, don't take help from anyone,
don't cooperate with anyone. Phytim on your own, they'll fail.
We do not want to perpetually cry oh they kill Sankara,
(55:29):
or they kill the Mumba or they kill the Chroma.
This is something that actually works for the interests of Africans.
Goita Chinese are not working for Westerners. They're not working
for the Chinese, They're not working for the Russians. They're
working with the Russians, which is something completely different from
being under the Russians. So I feel it's a it's
a relationship of mutual respect and it's far different from
(55:53):
what France was doing. And the only reason France is
still financing this terrorists is to take control back of Mali.
Let's remember that's Manley is one of the biggest gold
producers in Africa. And you've seen the price of gold
in recent months. I have not, So does it happen
if it's popping, it's high, it's soaring. So yeah, I'm
still saying, you know, it's good to be realistic. I
(56:15):
think the corporation they have is very productive. Russia actually
helped money overcome the field shortage, so yeah, oh good,
oh good. And I think that's about it.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Well, thank you so much William for tapping in and
telling us what's going on on the motherland. You know,
it's very valuable information for us. And as per usual,
we have to point out that you have nice hands.
William's got the best hands in the game, y'all. I mean,
let's just give it up for William's long and also
the knowledge. As we informed you before, if this whole
(56:49):
being a smart black man thing doesn't work out, you
can always be a hand model, all right, So just
know that there's another route for you if you need it.
Looking forward to having you back on the show, and
thank you once again for sharing not only your information
and knowledge, but your insights, right because that's the other
thing is that And we're gonna I'm.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
Gonna show a video about this later.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
But the people of the Motherland of Africa need to
be able to speak for themselves, and so often I
feel like we're getting the information from you all through
third parties that are doing their own assessments based on
what always ends up being a colonialist perspective.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
So appreciate you, appreciate Africa Stream and all the good
things spot by the end,
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I frecked that dappen, dappen, dapen doing it. Very proud
of my intros, William. I'm very proud of my intro.
I made that intro this morning, William.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
It's fire, it's fire. I like it. Thank you very much,
thank you.
Speaker 3 (00:24):
You know what, just for that, We're gonna listen to
it one more time.
Speaker 2 (00:28):
I frecked happen.
Speaker 1 (00:29):
Dap I'm bricked up dapping happened.
Speaker 3 (00:32):
I'm fricked that.
Speaker 1 (00:33):
Dapping, dapping, dapin' doing it now, y'all know, I have
to I have to like mix it properly and everything.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
But I'm actually just realizing it too, your voice. I
hadn't realized it was you the first time.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
What I frecked?
Speaker 2 (00:50):
Yeah, I hear, I hear it.
Speaker 3 (00:52):
Now, William. Where are you joining us from today?
Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'm from the capital of Kenya, there new colonial capital, Nairobi.
Speaker 1 (01:04):
Nairobi and Nairobi. There's a whole big case going on
in Kenya right now. In the MASSI in the Massa Mara.
We talking about that at all today?
Speaker 2 (01:12):
Oh? Yes, yes, yes, okay, all.
Speaker 1 (01:14):
Right, Well, we are very fortunate y'all to be doing
the Africa's Happen with William Soakawa and William I'm going
to get the Florida.
Speaker 3 (01:22):
You tell us what's going on on the other.
Speaker 2 (01:25):
Land in h First of all, thank you very much.
I hope you've been okay since the last time we spoke,
but like what two months ago.
Speaker 3 (01:34):
I mean, we're all just trying to Yeah.
Speaker 2 (01:37):
It's copy. Yeah, So yeah, about what's happening. We'll start
with the Massaie story. So I think a lot of
us will know Mariott Hotels, the luxury brand of hotels.
So there's a big video that's been doing the rounds
where you have the staff of this hotel Mariot in
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the Massai Mara, the famous Mosai ma lion king you
might remember it from that. So you have, yeah, you
have staff who are like shooing away the wilder beast
and they have these route for migration. So that's of
course rightfully costed quite a star among canyons because it's
it's outrageous, but it's also amblematic of a much bigger problem. So,
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first of all, this is the root the wilder beasts
have used for centuries to migrate. There's probably like a
DNA history in it, Like you know this is this
is the shallowest point of the river to cross, this
is the safest from crocodiles and heappos, So you know
you have it's not just it's not just strandom. There's
a method to it. And then you have this multi
(02:47):
national hotel coming and just placing its hotel smack in
the middle of the migration route. So yeah, you have
the Messiah elder.
Speaker 1 (02:54):
What was the reason that they chose that particular spot.
Speaker 3 (03:00):
Isn't it next to like a river or something?
Speaker 2 (03:02):
Yes, yes, yes, it's the border between Kenya and Tanzana,
between the Masaimara and the Sereneity. I think a lot
of it has to do with the mentality of the
modern day conservationists, because it's like a whole movement, and
unfortunately it's the face of it is white and the
beta fun and most insulting is that you've had Africans
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who have believed for centuries, if not millennia, with elephants,
with the cheetahs, with the antelopes, with the wild abasts,
and suddenly you coming from Europe, from London, from Brassels
from Washington whatever, and then you're coming and telling these people, actually,
I think you know how you guys could better relate
(03:45):
to the environment, could better relate to nature, like you know,
the whole The only reason they are elephants in Africa
is because Africans did not go around killing all of
them for ivory, right, right, So how do you how
do you come to my house and tell me how
how I should do things when I've been doing it
for centuries, if not thousands of ways. So that's a
(04:06):
bit of most insulting. But then if this bit doesn't
make sense, then what are they truly hereful? I formally
believe it's about control of land and control of resources,
basically just saying colonial we've never really ended, we still
have it here. The most visible aspect of it I
find is the displacement of the Messiah of these past
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released communities from their lands. And it's sort of there's
two sides of messed up to it. Because the more
climate change affects the planet, the lesser we have resources
in terms of pasture, in terms of water, so you
have less resources, and then you have these conservationist the
companies for conservations figures, the Prince Williams or whatever, you know,
(04:53):
all of them, and then they come and tell you, actually,
you guys need to move a bit more.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
So what they're calling it conservationism, because we just had
a really brilliant woman, Joy Malonga. I here, joam Alonza,
I'm here talking about conservationism. What makes them conservationists? Because
I think that they seem to present like their conserving environment,
but they're really conserving colonialism?
Speaker 3 (05:17):
Would you agree.
Speaker 2 (05:19):
One hundred percent? I mean, that's that's exactly how I
put it. The main agenda is basically about control of
African resources, control of African land. If you look, for example,
the Mario Tratail, and you're talking about that I opened
in the fly Marrow. They're charging three thousand and five
hundred dollars a night. That's not not the one percent
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of the one percent of Kenyons are the only people
who could possibly afford to go and stay overnight at
the Mario Hotel. So you have something that has this
much impact on the ecosystem, being the you know, a
result of a very very small minority of here speaking
about the very few wealthy canyons, and of course the
(06:03):
white people who like you know, like to come to
the masigmar, like to go in Sofari game rights. But
ultimately it's about control of African land. This is basically
colonialism in continuation. If we think colonialism and that it's
still here, it's still here, and this is the perfect
example of it. So I mean to the point about
the list. So you have people who are already disenfranchised
(06:24):
by climate change, there's fewer pasture, there's fewer water, and
now suddenly they have to move again where there's even
fewer passions, fewer water because conservation is from the west
coming tell them, yeah, we need this land, conserve animals.
And again, just back to the point of it earlier,
the only reason these animals are with us today is
because African, the indigenous people conserved it. How many infants
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are there in Europe or maybe that's a bad example,
but how much how much we.
Speaker 3 (06:52):
Give you an example.
Speaker 1 (06:53):
So in Ireland they had actually I'll come back to this,
but in Ireland they had actually hunted.
Speaker 3 (07:02):
The I think it was the fox.
Speaker 1 (07:05):
They hunted the fox like to extinction in Ireland, and
so they literally had messed up the And let me
say this also, it's probably not the Irish that did that, right,
it's the British who come and colonize and they do this,
but they mess up the ecosystem because now they kill
the super predator etcetera, etcetera, etcetera. So not super predator,
(07:26):
that's not the word I mean, but y'all know what
I'm saying. So what happened is they literally have to
now reintroduce wildlife to the landscape because humans disrupted it.
My thing is, why is it always the same humans
doing this?
Speaker 3 (07:42):
Can we crack the code?
Speaker 2 (07:46):
I forget what Africans call said this, but his whole
argument was that the prison or yeah, basically the reason
why colonialism was moral Ukay, the reason they could go
to sleep at night and they're going to do all
this mess up stuff is because of the climate they
were in. I'm not saying with it's valid or not.
I'm just presenting a theory. So he's saying, there's the
(08:08):
cold hatch climate where you go for months without maybe
cross that could grow, where the wildlife, where life in
general goes on the ground. That kind of developed a
cold sentimentality to them, which is why now you know
there's these grabby people and an analogy that I usually
(08:29):
find funny is they say, you know, if you lived
in Britain, that cold, wet, sundless island and it got
the chance to leave the Thailand and go somewhere, all
my should do it. So yeah, yeah they're miserable. So yeah,
we're just yeah, we'll just start to do it's intoir nature.
(08:51):
But again I'm almost saying like I'm supporting the theory
or not. I'm just presenting it.
Speaker 1 (08:55):
Dang. So what I did see is, so let's want
to show you guys. So up top here where you
see that line, that is where the hotel is built.
It's on that border to my understanding, And as you
can see, there's a river, the Mara River. The hotel
(09:16):
is built on the Mara River. And so the wilde
beasts they travel through the Mara River and it's a
very like like William said, it's a low crossing. It's
where the river is the shallowest and so and it's
also not just wilde beasts that travel this river. I
mean that travel this this migration. I know that there's
(09:38):
other animals too that are traveling this migration. What it
also says though, is that you know they don't care
about anything.
Speaker 3 (09:51):
Bro.
Speaker 1 (09:52):
Like I know that we say like, oh, they just
don't think we're human. But I mean, to my understanding,
like these type of folks don't even care about human either,
so why would they care about wilde beasts?
Speaker 3 (10:06):
But it's not just that wilde beasts are.
Speaker 1 (10:10):
And let me just show you so some of y'all
can see what wilde beasts are. So here's the wildebeest
crossing at the Mara. Okay, look how many will the
beasts there are? So here's my question to you, William.
Aside from keeping the wilde beasts alive, what is the
connection of these animals to the Masaimara besides just literally
(10:36):
just and I know there's a name, I know the
answer to.
Speaker 3 (10:38):
This, but I'm just asking for the sake of answering.
But what is the cause?
Speaker 2 (10:42):
Then?
Speaker 3 (10:42):
I think these folks are like, what's the big deal?
Speaker 1 (10:45):
They'll just have to reroute, which is.
Speaker 3 (10:49):
Just I just need y'all to know this. All the
white people on here.
Speaker 1 (10:52):
If I'm walking down the street, if I'm walking on
a sidewalk and white people are walking on that sidewalk,
I'm in a revolution.
Speaker 3 (11:02):
I'm in my own little revolution. William, I'm not moving.
Speaker 1 (11:06):
I'm not And I was in Grenada the other day
on my island, William and there was a there was
a walk and I was like, I see these three
British people walking towards me, and I was like, I
hope they know I'm not moving. We might we might
have the scrap right here on this little pathway. They moved,
they moved to the side.
Speaker 3 (11:24):
They were like, good morning, good morning.
Speaker 1 (11:25):
I was like, good, good, good, Remember where you are
so please. What is the connection of the animals beyond
simply just like we we respect that they have their route.
Speaker 2 (11:39):
I think the chief reason that the animals migrate is
to look for pasture. You synthesizes of the hearts of
the wilder beast, so I can't imagine a lot of
them in the same place. Would obviously consume a lot
of grass and a lot of vegetation. So it makes
sense that from the vegetation become slower. And then there's
the other side, which she is. Basically it exploit here
(12:00):
that there's simply across the river and go to the
other side. I think that the most important is you
say they could simply we're out. Let's remember that will
the base have not started crossing the from the Masai
Mara to the Serengeti yesterday. This is something that is
century upon centuries of tradition, which means many, many will
the beast generations before them have the opportunity or have
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the chance to like explore different parts of the river
and the heart. Basically, you know, Settler, the fact that
you know, if we go this way, then we'd have
the best chance of success in terms of getting to
the other side, which means maybe the river is shallow,
maybe there are less crocodiles, I mean, you know, less predators.
So that is a sort of explanation behind it. And
then now try to reconcile that to someone who cans
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to canyon tells you, actually, I have a plan for
helping you guys conserve the environment, and by doing that,
I'm going to put a hotel smart in the middle
of the migration route. This just shows, as you said this,
the conservation is not their concern. What their concern is
how do we control African land, how do we control
African resources. That has been the motive since fourteen fifteen hundred,
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and it's still going on today. You know, a lot
of US people think yeah, or Barack Obama was the
first black president, or black people free, you know, started
the former chief of Defense. Often I forgretsive of the
name is black. So you know, black people are represented,
so why should they complain you're basically free movie. Yeah,
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there's always.
Speaker 1 (13:33):
Been and there's always been black people who allow themselves
to be utilized for the advancement of the establishment and
of colonialism and of capitalism, et cetera.
Speaker 3 (13:45):
Like that's always been the case.
Speaker 1 (13:46):
There's always been people who are willing to not be
on code.
Speaker 3 (13:51):
So and for what it's worth.
Speaker 1 (13:53):
Let me also note Barack Obama's fathers from Kenya. That
ends up being like a marriage, right, because if you
people don't realize that a lot of people don't realize
that the United States still functions like a monarchy in
terms of who it puts in office and who's connected
to what and how that allows for these like continued
connections to other countries. And in monarchies, they used to
(14:13):
just marry people so that they could have a diplomatic connection.
Like it wasn't like, oh I love this lady, it's like, no,
I'm trying to have some bond over here. With Germany,
so we about to marry you to some German cat
and Obama being Indian, I mean Obama being Kenyan. That's
what that was about, in my opinion. And by the way,
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you got Kamala and she's Indian and you see they
trying to figure out what to do over there.
Speaker 3 (14:39):
But what else is going on?
Speaker 2 (14:43):
H okay? Apart from the Masaiah mar stuff, we also
have officially, I think the war on barrass has been
issued for a British soldier. So we've goes back through
twenty twelve twenty thirteen, where my whole like point is
that you have this she was twenty one at the
time and she was killed. She was a Kenyan walker.
(15:09):
Reports said she was a sex walker. I think that's
like the general understanding of it. So reporter one of
the British soldiers killed her and then boasted about it
on Facebook and for since twenty thirteen to now, that's
some watch twe obvious you have the murder, the main
mode suspect voting about it on Facebook, but it takes
(15:31):
you thirteen years to issue a warrant of arrest. And
someone made a very good point in that. Imagine if
the roles were verust. Imagine it was a Kenyan soldier
on British soil who had defiled and killed British woman.
Only it takes thirteen years to bring that Kenyan min
to justice. It obviously would right they.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Brought to justice, they would end up being unlived before
they even had to go to court.
Speaker 2 (15:59):
Yeah. Yeah, so let's just tied into the old Mara
story again. Basically that colonelism never really ended. You can
see the inequalities in power here. So yeah, that's something
major that's been happening around Kenya. Next, our neighbor, Tanzania
had elections. I'm pretty sure you must have seen about it.
Speaker 1 (16:16):
Now I live in the United States. We don't see
about anything.
Speaker 3 (16:22):
If I know.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
That's why, that's why it's so important to have you
all come on the show. Because the geo, the geo,
the concept that we are on a globe is very
new for a lot of Americans.
Speaker 3 (16:34):
William, we don't get news, we don't get.
Speaker 2 (16:40):
Understood.
Speaker 3 (16:41):
So yeah, talk to us like we're five year olds.
Speaker 2 (16:44):
Okay, Okay, So Tanzania we had a presidential election where
the main candidate one with ninety eight percent of the vote.
But you know, a lot of people have been calling
to question. You know, you won with ninety eight percent
of the vote, but you have to do the swearing
in ceremony in a military training ground where zero members
(17:05):
of the public are allowed to participate. You have widespread
riots covered and there is not the same level of
support in terms of Actually it's the fun thing because
you even have like official African bodies, like the South
African Development Community. I think, yeah, you have even them
(17:28):
like saying, you know, we have issues with the elections.
For one, you guys were intimidating opposition runners. You guys
intimidated the media. There's been a series of abductions of
key presidential candidates. It's not a level playing field. So
for you to win this ninety eight percent, you also
(17:48):
have to look at okay, but what the election fair?
Which is it wasn't fair? Now, I'm just yeah, yeah,
like that's what.
Speaker 3 (17:59):
Always irritates me.
Speaker 1 (18:00):
I'm just like, why are y'all even at least make
it a little more like you like you try.
Speaker 2 (18:07):
Like do do seventy percent? It's bad, but it's not
ninety eight.
Speaker 3 (18:14):
Like that's just not true. I mean, no one believes that.
Speaker 2 (18:18):
Yeah, So I mean of course, in startling circles, there
have been I feel rightful concerns. People have been correctly
concerned that maybe the CIA is trying to like overthrow
a government. This is something that has happened a lot
of times before. This is something the CIA always So
you know, this is not this is not a far
veget idea. But on that I'm not gonna say it's
(18:39):
not possible. But I don't think it's lightly. I could
be wrong, but I don't think it's likely.
Speaker 3 (18:44):
Do you think it. If it's not that, then what
do you think it could be?
Speaker 2 (18:49):
Yeah? You have the Yeah, you have the Trauma Chamapindozy party,
which is the main party. It's been in power since independence.
And this is something that I feel applies lately or
recently so a lot of African countries Mozambique, I think, Botswana.
So when this parties came to power during independence, a
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lot of Africans had a lot of hope in them,
like this is what we expect you guys to do.
This is how far we want you guys to take
the country. But all you have instead is a consolidation
of the elite. Yes, the white man left, but the
black people he left only look after themselves. This is
the case is South Africa. The last elections was the
(19:31):
first time the ruling African National Congress Party got less
than fifty percent since nineteen ninety four. So this is
basically African beople sending a message, yes, you guys, yeah,
it was independence from white people, but we don't feel
like the rules of independence are being distributed like to
each according to their need. So this is the case
(19:51):
with the CCM, and which is why I think it's
I don't think it's the maybe CIA or some Western
intelligence agency involved because for a time, you know, the
country of Julius Nerera, he had very good, very clear
socialist policies in terms of benefit of the many. And
then I think nineteen seventy seats, you have this new
(20:15):
president coming in, this new chairman of the CCM party,
and then he introduces new liberalism. And this is around
the time when the Irons is really starting to recrute
in Africa. And his nickname actually is mister Permission, Yes,
mister Rush, which means he basically permitted any multinational corporation.
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He opened up Tanzania to the world markets. But the
fact of that is one of the conditions of the
iron methods, you know, is the state has to step back,
The state has to let the private sector steppy, uncontrolled
trade and controlled industry all that. And one of the
consequences of this was that you had industries where the
state was involved, which means the state had direct impact
(21:00):
on a lot of ordinary Tanzanians. So mister Rockshire comes in,
mister Permission cramps in, and the state pulls back. The
consequence of that is now there is not unemployment. And
this is just one If you look at maybe the
running of the city, this is the basic story around
all of Africa. Who rents became high all that, which
(21:21):
is again a key feature of capitalism. So starting from
the seventies, I feel the CCM, which had very good
policies under Julius Nerrera before, changed into capitalism and new liberalism.
And of course this benefits very few people. It might
make the country rich like South Africa, but this world
(21:43):
will only be felt by very few people, which means
you have many more people who are dicent franchised, many
for more people who do not leave a life of dignity.
Speaker 4 (21:53):
So of some of the industries, I'm sorry, I'll have
to get back to that. I can get them off
the top of but I'll definitely give back to that.
Speaker 2 (22:04):
Okay, yeah, but I mean usually it's stuff like maybe
cement making, steel making. But I don't through like, I
don't like generalize and say something not you're so, yeah,
I'll have to get back to that. So since the seventies,
you have this is the legacy of the CCM. It
enriches few people but makes millions more miserable. So it's
(22:26):
no surprise that many many Tanzanians do not feel a
connection to the political process. And I think what we
saw that this contently. So it's not that the CIA
came and started manufacturing did this content in Tanzania. So yeah,
the last week for Tanzani. Unless you've got anything else,
I could move on to Mali. No, I'll come back
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to Kenya and then to Mali.
Speaker 3 (22:49):
All right, where with you we're right?
Speaker 2 (22:51):
What's okay? Okay? Okay? So in Kenya about a month
and two weeks ago we had the death of Rhylodinger
and then of course we had guys like Barack Obama
treating you know, I mean, he had an impact, but
this impact is something a cult question. Let's he's like
a Bannis Okay, I don't know. This might offend with viewers.
(23:13):
I'm sorry, but it's like a Bannis Slanders type of figure. Right.
He preaches, he preaches revolution. He says, you know, the
society should be more equal, all the stuff made a
care for all. Inequality is a problem, which is which
is good? And then he gets the chance to in
a position to make the change and does nothing. So
(23:33):
that's why I make the Bannislanders comparison. So for Reiler,
before ninety eighty two, we only had one party, we
had a one party system in the country. This was
can This was the Independence Party. And of course he's
credited not by himself, but he was among a body
of Kenyons who actively agitated to have multi party democracy
(23:55):
have less repression by the MOI regime. So I'll give
him that. But my suspicion, which.
Speaker 3 (24:05):
Is what I want to find this picture. What's his name?
Speaker 2 (24:09):
Rayler or Dinga?
Speaker 3 (24:11):
How do I spell that Rayler?
Speaker 2 (24:13):
It sounds I got it?
Speaker 3 (24:16):
Yeah, I always forget, like, yeah.
Speaker 2 (24:18):
It's Africa, it's Africans.
Speaker 1 (24:20):
It's spelled how it sounds Okay.
Speaker 2 (24:25):
So yeah, Rayler was a pretty i say, popular figure
which is the biggest strategy for me, because we have
millions and millions of Kenyan people who put their thrust
in him. Watch every single time Ryler hard the opport
you need to make a difference. He betrayed the Kenyan
working class. This is what it's basically. He was. He
(24:45):
was an opportunist the previous elections. Basically every time there's
been elections, most of the time, or like two or
three times, he's been dropped of the elections. That's that's fact.
And then you know, he obviously goes through the streets.
He tells his the porters, this is not free, this
(25:05):
is not fair. I've got to hit the street. You've
got a protest. And then of course I'll say, this
is someone who got more than fifty percent, so he
commands the sizeable portion of the country. And when he
decides to protest, obviously the country is going to come
to a standstill. The economy is going to grind down.
So at some point, even if you stole the elections,
you have to come and talk to him, because if
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you don't talk to him, Western companies are not coming
to invest in Nairobi because Nairobi is unstable. Simple as that.
So that's the sort of power he wielded. But whenever
he got the opportunity, okay, when.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
He builds that power just to be in power, Like
it's not like he uses the power.
Speaker 3 (25:43):
He just wants to be able to be there.
Speaker 1 (25:45):
So he goes to the people, he wrangles them up,
riles them up, and says, no, put me back in power, like,
don't let them do.
Speaker 3 (25:51):
This to me.
Speaker 1 (25:51):
And they're like okay, because he did get something done
to him. So he is a victim, but he uses
that he uses that victimhood just to put him self
in power and not to actually utilize his power to
help the real victims, which are the Kenyan people who
are being misrepresented and neglected.
Speaker 2 (26:10):
I couldn't put it better. That's the perfect that's the
perfect summary of who ryloading it is. And then it
goes a step further because as I said, whenever he
comes close to power, he does nothing for the people,
but he does something for himself. Usually there's something called
a handshake. In two thousand and seven, when he I
think the first time he ran as president and the
elections was stolen from him. Part the aargreement was okay,
(26:34):
we'll share the government fifty fifty. There are no working
class people represented in the government. It was people close
to him politically, people who are wealthy enough to participate
in Kenyon politics. Two thousand and seven. Next elections happen.
In twenty and eighteen, same thing happens. So they call, oh,
(26:54):
we will have to talk to Ryler, bring Rayler to
the table. No, I think that was twenty eighteen, because
we had a Hurukene are coming in twenty thirteen, runs
his five terms and then runs four second time in
twenty twenty seventeen, and then Ryler gets the election stolen
from him again, so of course he goes to protests.
We even had a boycott of two major corporations, one
(27:16):
the president's dairy company called brook Side and two of
the main telecommunications company called Safaricom, which is apparently also
one of the biggest financial players as well. Call it
a facilitates money transductions. So after, of course, you know,
Kenya's unstable, we cannot come to new investments coming in
(27:36):
the Western investors are you know, they're igitus, they're not
sure that they should invest in this environment. So if
we want them to come and give us billions of dollars.
We have to speak to Ryler. That is exactly what
they did. Rayler comes again, it's his people who are
in cabinet. It's his people who get tenders for maybe
supplying oil, sugar, this kind of stuff. Basically, he's in
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opposition to make money from the government and his friends
are in a position to make money from the government.
These have been the outcome every single time. So every
thing where I say, I don't say it's it's a
saying basically that systems should be judged for what they do,
not for what they say. So by the same metric,
(28:21):
Raylo Dinger should be judged for what he did and
not for what he said. So, you know, as much
as the spoke good game about oh I should save
the people, Oh the people are oppressed, he never really
put his foot to it when he talks really imagined.
Speaker 3 (28:34):
But do the people still believe him when he says that.
So I think that's me here in.
Speaker 2 (28:42):
Yes, I see. If Vanny Sanders was to come again today,
you po both virtue him. Right.
Speaker 1 (28:53):
You know, it's interesting because they all kind of do
the same thing where they do what's called breadcrumbing, where
they kind of like they give you this a little
bit enough to like wet your palette and make you
feel like, oh, look they gave us something. I mean,
I've dealt with this dating right, Like you're dating someone
and they do like a good thing. You're like, look,
(29:14):
and then they do it. Then they do a bunch
of whack things and you're like, oh, you're whack. But
then they're like, no, look I did this nice thing.
And so that is the dynamic. And I'm just like,
what is it about the masses that they don't disengage
from that. I'm trying to solve this, William I swear.
(29:37):
I feel like if I could just like unplug from
the United States and just live like on the land
with no interruptions for three months, I can figure it out.
Speaker 3 (29:47):
I really do.
Speaker 2 (29:48):
Yeah. Yeah, it's a much discussion. Of course, what I
say is not I don't say like this is for facts,
what will rightfully work. But I think it's a problem
of political education. People make this choices, They make the
poor choices because they don't really understand the impact of
politics in their lives. A big mobilization technique during Kenyan
(30:09):
elections is money a politician steals from you for five
years comes back, gives you two dollars, two dollars advisor,
vote yes, right, This politician goes back to Parliament and
makes all that money back. Why this is the real.
Speaker 3 (30:34):
Thing here in the United States, Okay, a very thing
that people are now starting to see. They're like, now,
hold on a minute now.
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Because I think a lot of people also didn't realize
that politicians are making money.
Speaker 3 (30:46):
You know, like n.
Speaker 1 (30:54):
Naty Pelosi has made two hundred million dollars since she
has been in the House of Representatives.
Speaker 2 (31:00):
What's the salary again.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
The salary for the House of Representeds. It's something like
one hundred and eighty thousand.
Speaker 2 (31:06):
Oh, she'd have to work forever. It's made two hundred million. Again. Yeah,
this politicians, it's insulting. It's insulting. Really, I give you
one dollar and I take one hundred dollars from your
back pocket. That's the entire dynamic. That's exactly how it
(31:30):
works in our contest. And as I just said, in
years as well. So the question is why the hell
do voters, why the hell does the electually electorally still
make these decisions? And I think it goes back to
political education. People don't really realize the fact that these
two dollars I'm taking right now will cost me. Healthcare
(31:50):
will cost me, roads will cost me, education will cost
me infrastructure. This is something that if I actually someone
who didn't give me the two dogs, and I actually
had a progressive attender, if I'd actually voted for him instead,
my life will be much better off in five years
as opposed to lease A the politician. But we don't
do that, So I think it's a question of we're
(32:11):
not properly informed. So it's it's now. I think the
hardest task is that, or the toughest appeal to swallow
is that this is what that has to be done.
It's hard, it's grassroots, it's grimy, but there is no
other way other than political education. That's once you build,
Once you have an established educated grassroots dald is your oyster.
(32:37):
That's that's how I see it. It's a very hard.
Speaker 1 (32:40):
Then was on the show recently and she was talking
about how really what's happening in Bourkina fossil is possible
because there was a really committed effort to political education
that took place even before Trio Ray was in power.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, I mean, you have a lot of the words say, oh,
the Bukina fossor authoritarian, or the Bukinas faster detat, you know,
some along those lines. But I usually like to say,
before Frare, we had Damiba, who rules for I think
less than a year. And it wasn't okay. Before Damiba,
we had Compowdery. It was Compowder who killed Sankara, I
think compowered rule booking a fast for either twenty four
(33:15):
or twenty eight years. But let's remember it was booking
a fast people who removed Blaze Compowder from power. These
same people gave Damiba a mandate. Then Damiba, instead of
doing what the people told him, he still went back
in bed with the French. Then the people said, you
know what, if you're not going to do what we want,
(33:37):
you're also going to go out. So I say, Fraare
is a product of a very pure form of democracy.
Americans don't have democracy. The West doesn't have democracy. It's
the bankers, it's the landlords, it's the real estate agents,
it's the tech bros who controlled the democracy. How much
(33:58):
in bailouts was given to in two thousand and eight,
how much has been given to companies like Nvidia, Microsoft?
A lunch here, right, now how much of that is
being given to the normal working class American So whose
interest are being served by this democracy which America says, oh,
we're the world's greatest democracy, but does it show. But
for Bulkino Fasso, you have construction of you have rapid industrialization,
(34:24):
you have rapid construction of infrastructure. You send the roads
being constructed day and night. In Nisia. You have a company,
the French company that's been taking uranium for free, art
in college for free. Because if I print, if I
take a piece of paper, write something on it, put
a stamp, give it to you. But in exchange for
(34:45):
this paper, I want you to go someplace. I want
you to work in the sun. I aren't you to
walking me sweat and aren't you to actually bring me
something useful. All I have to do is print of paper,
write something on it, stamp it. But you have to work.
That's free, that's free resources. That's the kind of relationship
that France has with these countries, or hard these countries
(35:06):
like Ninia. So can't say it and tells France, you
know what, screw off, we're checking on agrenium. Orno, get
out of here. I'm going to go to.
Speaker 1 (35:19):
We were just like, you wasn't here like this, and
I said, let me not. I don't want to say
nothing because William.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
Is cheffing it up right now.
Speaker 1 (35:30):
You were, yeah, let's let's go.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
Let's go in here. Like the chat was even quiet.
The chat was like, let me just not interrupt him
because he's he's clicking right now and we need to
stay focused.
Speaker 1 (35:46):
Okay, look at the wrist. So let's talk about Molly.
Molly is a landlocked country that is bordered by Algeria
or Time, Senegal, guine Ca, Divois, Bokina, Faso, and nijer Is,
and Mali is part of the Sahel.
Speaker 3 (36:10):
Union.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Correct, Yeah, it's it's actually you know, people give it
might be the wrong thing to say, but you know
we love booking a fast a lot traures or fail right,
you know, but I feel usually of a Luk Mali.
I firmly believe if it wasn't for Mali, Bookina Faso
won't get the independence it got. Explosion for Mali, Nize
(36:34):
won't care the independence it got. Maley was the first
country to break away from France in twenty twenty. Mali
it was alone, you know, at least and boast was
coming in. At least Maley was there. You know, they
have someone you know, hey brother, you know the French
are kind of squeezing us here, help us.
Speaker 1 (36:51):
You know.
Speaker 2 (36:52):
That was the doesn't it was something they could count.
But Mali, it's the land of monster Musa. Actually yeah,
it's it's actually maybe poetic that it's the first country,
i say, in Africa to actually break free from colonial
or new colonial chains. So now recently just you know,
(37:12):
let me not get two carried away. Recently, the multinational
corporation Barry Gold. It's a maybe top ten in terms
of mining companies in the world. It's pretty important they
finally come to an agreement with Smili. But this is
the problem that started from twenty twenty three, so it's
something that's taken two years for them to resolve. So
in twenty twenty three, Miley passes a new mining court.
(37:35):
And this is not just to show you that while
the rest of Africans will say we have democracy because
we vote, but the people of Mali actually have democracy
because what they want happens for them before go eater
camp see it. I think the rate was fifteen percent
every that's ok.
Speaker 3 (37:55):
I want a pain in this.
Speaker 1 (37:56):
I want to put a pin in this really really quickly.
When you're saying they have democracy because they're getting what
they want.
Speaker 3 (38:03):
And you can come back to this because I know you.
Speaker 1 (38:05):
I've already figured out how your brain works, So come
back to this when you're done making your point. But
I want you to explain to us what you think
is this mechanism that allows for that that's different in
other places.
Speaker 2 (38:20):
I actually think this is the result of basically, the
more you oppressed people, the more they want you to resist.
What is it Neutron's second love motion. So every action
there's an equal and opposite reaction. So the more you
oppress people, the more they resist. Take Israel and Palestine,
the more they oppressed Palestinians, the more the likelihood that
(38:41):
a probos evant are going to happen. This is simply
the natural consequence of oppression. So I think the let
me not say lucky factor, but I think the important
factor here is that, yes, the people of Mali, the
people of the Pall, the people of Franco Freak all
have very from opinions towards France, and it's negative. But
(39:03):
in terms of what can we possibly do you know,
France is a member of NATAL. You saw what NATO
did to Libya through RACK to Afghanistan, right, So it
has to be someone who has the capacity to like
effect change.
Speaker 3 (39:18):
It's just someone with a backbone. See that's basically what
you're saying. Do you literally like ya?
Speaker 1 (39:23):
It's not that deep, Amanda. It's just got to be
someone with a backbone.
Speaker 2 (39:26):
But yeah, but as well, the backbone has to have
a big stick because, as I say, the average civilian
might not really have much they can do. And now
this is somewhere where usually if the civilians want this,
but in most of the times, the military in many
countries are part of the elite. So the elite has
(39:48):
an interest in making sure the situation remains the same,
let's not have a change. They benefit from the stage
of school. So that is why in the other fifty
four or fifty or forty seven other African there hasn't
been something similar to what happened in the hell because
a lot of these militaries also feed at the track,
you know, in terms of in terms of for example,
(40:11):
nobody audits what the military gets in terms of okay,
here's the annual budget the military is getting this amount
of money nobody ever got to check. Okay, so you
guys said, you put this, okay where in the.
Speaker 1 (40:23):
United States, But it doesn't mean anything. The tagonist every artist,
which is right paying taxes, like people just paying taxes
to these people to do whatever they want with them exactly.
Speaker 2 (40:38):
So maybe if I put the Pentagon one as an example,
do you really expect someone who's maybe a major general
who's got a job waiting for him at Lacked, marching
at Boeing at Rathion, you will expect him to do
a cup that will actively harm the interest of Boeing
and raytheon and what whatever. It won't happen. So that's
exactly what's been happening elsewhere.
Speaker 1 (41:05):
You just said something that I feel like I haven't
paid attention to, which is that our military itself has
an elite class. You know what I'm saying, Like, I
feel like I haven't really like, like, the United States military.
Speaker 3 (41:23):
Itself has an elite class. And thus.
Speaker 1 (41:27):
Even when they get to the certain ranks of the military,
they they leave the lower ranks, so to speak, not
just by not just by designation, but also by like
their level of access to also funds and status and
then they get to retain that by pivoting to these
(41:52):
other corporations every I think it's the last three or four.
The last three or four secretaries of Defense for the
United States were all all CEOs and had all served
at major weapons manufacturing companies.
Speaker 2 (42:08):
Exactly. So you would expect Lloyd Austin to suddenly do
a people's revolution for the United States of America. It
simply won't happen. So I think this is something that
was an anomaly in terms of the alliance of the
health state, where you have soldiers who are relatively high
access in terms of the military hierarchy, who are also
(42:28):
grounded in the people to see what's happening.
Speaker 3 (42:31):
But what But that's what you have to figure out, William.
Speaker 2 (42:35):
What is it about them?
Speaker 3 (42:37):
Why why were they able to still retain that?
Speaker 1 (42:41):
Because I can tell you that I'm somebody who I'm
an anomaly, Like I went to Hollywood, I made it.
I'm super talented, I could, I'm pretty, I could, I'm
light skinned, like I could have gone the distance, okay,
like in terms of capitalism in the United States, I
could have really on the whole distance and got the
(43:02):
bigger house, and I could have been a movie star.
Speaker 3 (43:05):
It never.
Speaker 1 (43:08):
Was attractive to me because there was always the groundedness
of yeah but yeah, yeah, yeah, so like and I
know that that's because I came here apparently with a
(43:28):
certain soul. But then I also had a lot of
like building while I was a kid, Like I was
always hearing Jimmy cliff Rest some peace in my house.
I was always hearing like there was always revolutionary aspects
around me that I feel like made their way into
my cellular structure from day one.
Speaker 3 (43:47):
And so I just wonder about these men.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
That's why every time we have white people on this
show that I considered to be high quality whites, I
always ask.
Speaker 3 (43:54):
Them, how did you get like this? I'm trying, I'm
trying to all something here. So I think about that.
Speaker 1 (44:03):
When you say, like, these men were able to do
a people's revolution because they were high ranking, it's still
grounded in the people. But why how do they manage
to be both three.
Speaker 2 (44:22):
Is a lot. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I think I'd say
it has to do said about the Every action has
an equal and opposite reaction. I think France is among
the most vicious neo colonial powers. Nija was the second
poorist country in the world, but has been supplying around
(44:46):
thirty percent of Europe of France's electricity.
Speaker 3 (44:50):
Let me tell you something. When you fly over in
the air, you like, what's here? What's here? Like you,
it looks but yeah, because they're stealing everything.
Speaker 2 (45:03):
From it, exactly, exactly. Yeah. The uranium that should have
been used to light up NIA was used to light
up the a Field tower. And now this is just
to show you. France comes and says, yeah, colonialism and
you know you're friends. Now, then why not share nuclear
technology with Nia? Why not let them utilize their own resources?
(45:26):
And again this just to show you the qualitative difference
between these governments before and after.
Speaker 1 (45:33):
I hope I want to let me also add though,
for you guys, when you hear the word nuclear, that
doesn't necessarily mean weaponized nuclear utilization, like nuclear is also
used to create electricity, you know, to to like actually
like make places functions. So when we hear nuclear, we
always think, oh, so they're going to have nuclear weapons,
(45:54):
and that's not It's about it's being able to refine
what you have to you as a source of power.
Speaker 2 (46:03):
Definitely, definitely. I mean, look, look, even if they wanted
nuclear weapons, man, you know, there's a reason North Korea
hasn't been invaded, and there's the reason Libya has fallen.
If Kadafia had nuclear weapons, maybe not, you won't have
killed them and turned Libya into an opening a slave market.
But again that's beside the point. So I believe the
reason that these three countries were the ones that gave
(46:25):
Africa its fast revolution is because they are also the
more oppressed. You have, Nija gets seventy percent of its
allectricity from Nigeria, but Nija's Iranian iwer was twenty five
thirty percent of France. How does that make sense? Right?
So I think fortunately you also have also remember that
(46:48):
these military people, they also come from these communities. There's
like a Now, this is why I'll say maybe chance,
because there was a chance that someone who's less politically
inclined revelutold have been in the place of Chini, but
Chany who was there. But even then we had Bazoom
before Bazoom was the president, before General Channey came in,
(47:09):
and Bazoom was the darling of France. Bazoom is the
reason why France was getting uranium for free. Then you
have Channy coming in and saying you know what. Yeah, actually, yeah,
you know, you're not exporting anymore what you have in
the warehouse. We're going to keep that. Matter of fact,
I think they actually sold the uranium for Russia recently.
I'll have to confirm, but yeah.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
That's and people were like, no, they shouldn't do business
with Russia either. And it's like, listen, if Russia buying it,
seal it, they're not.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
You're not the uranium. They say, we'll pay you for
your uranium.
Speaker 2 (47:45):
They're all taking you for free like France. Basically, you
know that.
Speaker 1 (47:51):
Is that when we look at these countries, we are
thinking about them as in like as individuals and silos,
but they're on a globe, and we had, particularly in
the United States, we are very much t tricked into
feeling like the United States is the only thing that's here,
and it's not.
Speaker 3 (48:13):
By the way, right already here we've been. We've been
talking now for a damn near.
Speaker 1 (48:17):
Hour because William came and said, I'm gonna tell y'all
about the whole continent.
Speaker 3 (48:23):
So let's wrap up, Mally.
Speaker 2 (48:26):
Let's wrap up Marley. So yeah, the same thing with
Nija taking back his resources in twenty twenty three, Marley
produces the new mining code before they're getting us in
fifteen percent. Then they increase and said for every operation
you guys are doing here, we want thirty five percent. Yeah,
then you have this big dog very good said you
know what, fuck you man, You've got to give you
thirty five percent. So while he said, let's say okay,
(48:50):
they arrest the CEO, they arrest a few employees and
they told them we've got to give us five hundred
million dollars. And on top of that the goal that
was in the warehouse. They are the same thing with media.
You know, you're not exporting this goal. This is now
under control of the stage and so the new guys, actually,
you have taxes, you need to backdatee. All that kind
(49:10):
of stuff. So that's what's been happening since tweet. And
then you have now they finally come to an agreement.
But before this, actually Barak goal finally went to it.
Speaker 3 (49:23):
Very very good. That sounds like an Israeli name, it.
Speaker 2 (49:27):
Does it does? Actually, yeah, yeah, but I think it's Canadian.
Speaker 3 (49:31):
So they go to Zionists.
Speaker 2 (49:34):
Yeah, same difference. So I think they go to a
wild arbitration court and then the proceedings have been going on,
but behind the scenes, they've also been talking. So now
many are still a Bara Gold. Okay, look, we're going
to drop the case. You are going to get your
license back, We're going to release your employees. But just
think you to thirty five percent. That's the rate. And
(49:56):
on top of that, I don't know exactly the figure,
but again she paid millions of dollars. Maybe in line
is what they told the barrier to pay in terms
of back taxes. But yeah, that's basically it. The point
actually is they're cool with some people that are disappointed.
Let's say, oh, Malie should have kicked Barry Goals completely out.
And this just goes back to your point earlier, just
(50:19):
before I started speaking, where I feel we do not
live in an ideal world so long as the principle
of which is rooted in revolutionary spirit. Mali, for example,
Mali is not in a position to process its own
goal right now. It could use with the tactical help
from people who already established. But if they can get
(50:41):
a good deal suty five percent, I think that's the
highest in Africa. Thuty five percent of that changes.
Speaker 3 (50:50):
Yeah, the change is solely because once you elevate your rate.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Now it becomes a new precedent that everyone has to
respond to, so controlling the precedent versus the outsider, which
is what colonialism has always done. And you shouldn't be
able to control your own precedent. This is why, like
whenever if an artist tells me that their piece is
twenty thousand dollars, I'm like, okay, I may not pay
for it, but.
Speaker 2 (51:15):
I yeah, yeah, I respect it.
Speaker 3 (51:20):
I respect it.
Speaker 1 (51:21):
You have bece of twenty thousand dollars, all right, baby,
I don't got it, but I respect it. The last
thing I'll take away from this, though, that I'm listening to,
is you know, what you're saying about France is that
they essentially were so oppressive that it was felt by
all there was a universality to the oppression and so
(51:44):
no one remains unscathed. And that is the thing that
a lot of places, that's where they messed up.
Speaker 3 (51:51):
Actually, because.
Speaker 2 (51:54):
I think that's a brilliant point. It might have a
popular life book, because remember, in twenty eleven you have
the killing of Gaddaffi, and the consequence of that is
it's was to ask you right now, what three places
you think are famous for terrorism. You're gonna the Middle
East is gonna be somewhere at the top of your list.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
You're gonna say the United States, and then I'm gonna say, Okay,
I'm gonna say Israel. Then I'm gonna say the States,
and then I'm gonna say England.
Speaker 2 (52:23):
Okay, Yes, but the average person maybe you say, you know,
the Middle East is somewhere here, right, But since Gaddaffi
felt the Middle East is now at the top place,
we have the helm. So this is the place with
the most terrorism related death in the world in twenty
three streak of eighty seven hundred people killed by terrorists.
(52:48):
The terrorists, well, the same people not or armed and
funded to kill Gaddafi. So they killed Gaddaffi and it's like, Okay,
we have guns, we have cars. What do we do.
Who goes south? Right? Yeah?
Speaker 3 (53:02):
But they armed.
Speaker 1 (53:04):
Like I've seen enough movies, they're armed, and they are
absolutely being controlled and influenced and in cahoots with some
white guy in khakis who wears, you know, sunglasses and
looks very nondescript.
Speaker 3 (53:18):
But it's absolutely out there. Haven't y'all ever seen the Caario.
There's some white man who's.
Speaker 1 (53:24):
Showing up in a in a two loose in a
shirt with a loose it'll be a T shirt, but
the collar is really loose, like it's been put on
too many times. And he's just showing up and having
these real casual commers because he's.
Speaker 3 (53:36):
The cool white guy.
Speaker 2 (53:38):
You know.
Speaker 3 (53:40):
Yes, he has a Oh my god, William, you nailed it.
He has aviator glasses, yes.
Speaker 1 (53:47):
And a mustache and he's just there and you know,
and he's wearing flip flops indiscriminately, and he's like having
these conversations with these folks. And then he comes back
and sits in a meeting at Langley and says, well,
this is what they're gonna do.
Speaker 2 (54:02):
Now, that's exactly what I mean. Another key story I
might have lost over in the interest of time, was
that there was a plan to collapse Miley a few
weeks ago. Maley has been under a severe fuel shortage
because the terrorists have been ambushing fuel trucks. You remember,
Maley is the landlocked country, so every bit of fuel
(54:22):
they get has to be shifted by trucks. Now, these
theorists have been ambushing these trucks. But somehow, Now this
is where I mean it goes back to the point
where I say, let's not be idealistic. Yes, we want
our Malei Buchina. They have to be free, but to
get there they have to make partnerships with certain countries.
I'm gonna say this, if it wasn't for Russian corporation,
(54:46):
I don't think the as will be viable our state
as it is today because from the very moment Maley
kicked out France, France has been trying to knock down Mali.
Now here's a quick question. Do you reckon on, think,
kept constant. Do you think Mali will be able to
defeat France. They don't have the same level of resources.
(55:06):
France is a member of NATO, has access to maybe
all the satellite networks in the world, as access to
CIA intelligence is the one actually funding these terrorists. So
it's unfair to tell Mali no, don't take help from anyone,
don't cooperate with anyone. Phytim on your own, they'll fail.
We do not want to perpetually cry oh they kill Sankara,
(55:29):
or they kill the Mumba or they kill the Chroma.
This is something that actually works for the interests of Africans.
Goita Chinese are not working for Westerners. They're not working
for the Chinese, They're not working for the Russians. They're
working with the Russians, which is something completely different from
being under the Russians. So I feel it's a it's
a relationship of mutual respect and it's far different from
(55:53):
what France was doing. And the only reason France is
still financing this terrorists is to take control back of Mali.
Let's remember that's Manley is one of the biggest gold
producers in Africa. And you've seen the price of gold
in recent months. I have not, So does it happen
if it's popping, it's high, it's soaring. So yeah, I'm
still saying, you know, it's good to be realistic. I
(56:15):
think the corporation they have is very productive. Russia actually
helped money overcome the field shortage, so yeah, oh good,
oh good. And I think that's about it.
Speaker 1 (56:25):
Well, thank you so much William for tapping in and
telling us what's going on on the motherland. You know,
it's very valuable information for us. And as per usual,
we have to point out that you have nice hands.
William's got the best hands in the game, y'all. I mean,
let's just give it up for William's long and also
the knowledge. As we informed you before, if this whole
(56:49):
being a smart black man thing doesn't work out, you
can always be a hand model, all right, So just
know that there's another route for you if you need it.
Looking forward to having you back on the show, and
thank you once again for sharing not only your information
and knowledge, but your insights, right because that's the other
thing is that And we're gonna I'm.
Speaker 3 (57:07):
Gonna show a video about this later.
Speaker 1 (57:09):
But the people of the Motherland of Africa need to
be able to speak for themselves, and so often I
feel like we're getting the information from you all through
third parties that are doing their own assessments based on
what always ends up being a colonialist perspective.
Speaker 3 (57:26):
So appreciate you, appreciate Africa Stream and all the good
things spot by the end,
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