Level Us Up ft. Dr. Shola [EP 91]

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
We are.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
We are.

Speaker 1 (00:17):
Oh how are you? Since you're sweet, beautiful, I am
very fine. How are you doing? You know? I woke

(00:38):
up today and was like, I don't think we're gonna
make it. Let me tell you. I was just listening
to the till end of your monologue and the guy
was clapping. I was like, yes, we need to have
this conversation. Oh, what's an ethnicity again? You know what? Yeah,
be called an ep semi today. It's a freaking badge

(01:01):
of honor, especially by those people. How are you doing?
What are you doing? You're utterly rubbishing what antisemitism is
if you reduce it to people, you know, not having
the right to say we stand against a state that
commits genocide. Come on now that you use it as

(01:23):
your weaponize at de semitism against people who say children
have the right to live.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Yes, but the people and the people saying this are like, oh,
we trying to just kill people in peace, and y'all
keep talking about it.

Speaker 1 (01:38):
We got to take the social media, y'all talk about it.
We got to take the.

Speaker 2 (01:42):
Social media, and we're trying to kill these kids and
you know the fact that who they are.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
Can I just say this let me say this, the
fact that we've got to the point that talking about
this makes us laugh at them. That always tells me
the point I have reached that I am so angry
that really the only other option is for me to
laugh or else, I seriously, I will be raging and

(02:07):
all this what we hear is me raw because what
the actual hell like, what do you mean? What do
you mean to tell me, hey me that I can't
open this god given mouth of mine and crust the
hell out of you for committing war crafts? Well, let's wait.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
Let me let me play this video for you, because
since you're talking about you want to get mad, I'm
gonna get mad with you.

Speaker 1 (02:32):
I get mad with you. Where is this dang where's
this gad dang video? You know what? I gotta transfer it,
so welcome back to it. What are you up to?
What's going on? What are you talking about about? Oh? Well,
we're gonna talk about I believe you know what it
means to be to be black in Britain, to be black,

(02:56):
deal with the nonsense that is no sense from people
in power. I mean I reacted to Donald Trump's racist
rant at Iland and Somalians, right, Oh, yeah, that one.
I mean, it's nothing new, but you know what it
triggered me. Though. What it triggered me was me remembering

(03:20):
all these Americans who told us during the general election
that please stay out of our politics, Please don't have
an opinion, Please don't say anything about no no no, no, no, no,
no no, Because when you choose a rutting ass racist, rapist,
white supremacist in chief, as you're freaking president of the

(03:45):
country saying as the most powerful, the most descent the world,
you're ending up influencing my country and every other country.
So yeah, I am going to have a freaking opinion
and I'm going to speak.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
So I'm playing a very protectionist about like they're very
territorial about things like that. Like even down to here
in the United States, like people will be like, don't
say nothing about my state.

Speaker 1 (04:05):
I'm like, your state is in the country I'm in.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (04:11):
Like, this is what I'm like, don't say nothing about
New York if you don't live in New York. And
I'm just like, I mean, it may annoy you, but
New York is like a world capital.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I just found the
whole conversation and the way people want to possess you know,
what you can or can't talk about. Don't get me wrong.
I think there are times and you can challenge people's
authenticity and standing to apply or something that they either
clearly have jack or knowledge about or just infusing themselves

(04:45):
in there to be able to cause trouble. I think
that there are always moments for that. But you have
to recognize that America has such power that the President
of the United States calling a black woman as sitting
US congress member garbage only serves to embolding the bottom
feed of racists, not just in the United States, but

(05:07):
the United Kingdom, across Europe and all of these so
called racists, you know. So, yeah, we have to say something,
we have to be able to respond to it. Yeah,
this video for you, Okay, it's gonna piss you off. Oh.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
So this is Elon Carr, who is the CEO of
the Israel American Council. He is the former US Anti
Semitism z are that tells you everything you.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Need to know. And here he is at a Jewish
conference in New York.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
And so we are living in a time of miracles
and unprecedented opportunities and the challenge for us here and
well this I'll end because this is this is key.
The challenge for us here is to leverage Israel's successes
into our successes and our victories here because we are
one people. Israel's weakness is ours and Israel's strength is ours.

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And now that Israel has turned the entire geopolitical situation
on its head, our job in the diaspora is to
leverage those wins and win here due to our enemies here,
what Israel did to its enemies there and on that
the ice is focused.

Speaker 1 (06:21):
That's a good idea. Thank you do tell enemies here
what Israel did to enemies I'm sorry. Genocide, starvation, ethnic cleansing,
shoot in at will Okay, hold on, don't piss you off.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
So while you get your thoughts together, I want to
remind you all that all of the things that doctor
Shola Moss has listed. In addition to that is the
surveillance practices that we have seen getting grow growing stronger
and stronger. We have seen incredible repression, not only here
the States, but much more even in.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
The in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
I just saw somebody get pulled over and the cop
told him that he was getting arrested because he.

Speaker 1 (07:09):
Found a watermelon like sticker in his car.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Right, So when you see this and shout out to
Sabby Sabas who said, wait a minute, was that a threat?

Speaker 1 (07:19):
Because Jewish supremacy is a real thing, Like.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
There's now where they're like, listen, we that girl, and
there's not going to be any stopping us.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
And I'm going to show a video a little later
in the show of Dye.

Speaker 2 (07:34):
I mean the former dictator who, by the way, he
was many terrible things.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
Oh yeah he was. He is released, he.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
Caught them, and he talks about it. And you know,
you're starting to see the same way that you were
just naming the rise of like bold racism by the
statements made by someone like Donald Trump, we have seen
also with the rise of both Zionism, which we know
is also racism.

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I'm so freakingly the fascinating.

Speaker 2 (08:07):
Part of this is that this gathering is essentially the
same as when we had when we saw Nazi gatherings
in Britain and in the US, they were outwardly having
whole conventions to talk about fascism exactly exactly, and there's.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
No doubt in my mind that there are a number
of questions raised by his performance and his words. Yeah,
you have to start asking are these people israeleased or
the Americans? Because it's not the Israelis, because let me
tell you, religions are loyalty is to Israel and know.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
What literally it is like their ethos is I am
Israeli before I'm anything exactly.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
And I think that there will be many people out
there who are just like me that before October seven,
twenty three, Zionism, I can't tell you what it was.
I could not have. It was not in my dictionary.
I couldn't have. And before October seventh, twenty twenty three,
you had asked me about Israelise, or if you had

(09:13):
asked me my thoughts of views about Jews, I had none.
I did not give my much more than I would
give a Muslim or a Buddhist. As a Christian, I'm like, oh,
you're doing good for you. You're a Muslim, good for you.
I mean, if none of my dam bits, that's what
your faith is at the end of the day, to
be between you and God and me and God. So

(09:33):
and a story. But it only took me a couple
of months I'm sorry it took me that long. It
took me that long because I kept seeing the word Zionist, zionism,
you know, online broh blah. I was like, what the
heck is this or is it a movement on ideology?
And what we are actually seen are the worst on
the periphery, maybe at the center of it as a

(09:54):
good meaning, you know what I mean, Only for me
to realize that it is rotten to the freaking core.
There is nothing good about Zionism. It is rotten to
the core. And what then cinched it for me was
when that whatever his face is, Elon Levey, the former
state spokesperson for Israel to the UK, did a video

(10:17):
trying to explain Zionism as anti colonialism, and I went.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
Hold up colonialism, like they have a Dionism, they had
a colonial they had a duration colonial colonial chapter.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
In fact, in fact, what the that sinks it for
me because I went colonialism, well that I know and
everything I've seen about Zionism is a very opposite of
anti colonial. So that's when I went, Okay, let's go.
And of course I started getting all this you know,
I was getting all this your bad press. I was

(10:53):
getting all of the threats I was getting all of that,
you you know, the abuse and demands for investigation, sent
to my sent again because I'm a lawyer, send to
my regulators, you know, trying to try to destroy my
reputation and my credibility. And I'm thinking, do you people
understand that people like us, Amanda, are you and so

(11:18):
many others? We've had to fight so many wars to
get to where we are today. God has not brought
us this far to leave us for the kind of
you to think to have the caucastic zionasity to think
you can bring your bs and I will be shocked
for once, who the hell died and made you? God?
I'm okay, where's my rapper? Let me tie it, where's

(11:40):
my scarff? Let's go? Why is gright?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
Now?

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Yeah? Here you are murdering children. I am witnessing children
being murdered and witnessing civilians being decapitated. But you I well,
letting my journeymys be because right now I don't need
any of that British for likeness. Put that to one side.
The Nigerian should come out because we are ready to go.

(12:04):
We will write. I don't because are you mad?

Speaker 2 (12:09):
Give my attitude for the last two years it has
been I've watched it, you know. I mean you were
brought into my zeitgeist because we were talking about the
same things, right, and that to me has been a
blessing just being able to have I mean, I will say,
I'll get credit where its due.

Speaker 1 (12:25):
So the algorithm did his job in that regard.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
You know, it brought folks together who may not have
necessarily stumbled upon each other.

Speaker 1 (12:33):
And so I ask you in Britain right now, yeah, as.

Speaker 2 (12:37):
A as a black brit how does colonialism get talked
about in Britain in this time that we're in.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Oh, colonialism is talked about us a good thing. It's
talked about as it's nostalgic for white British people. Some
white British people. It is a matter of British empire
because after all, we went and saved you savages from yourselves.
If it wasn't for us white people coming into your

(13:10):
African hearts, you would have no civilization, you'd have nothing
to talk about. But basically history is being rewritten on
a daily basis, and it's being used to justify even
what we see today with Zionism. Okay, and uh. At
the same time, the same way you find language that

(13:31):
that that treats Zionists Jewish people as when I say anxiety,
I mean zigni Is Jews as as victims when the
reality is that these designer is Jews are oppressed as
masquerading as victims. They used that same language right about that.
It is not colonization, not at all. After all, this

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is not what Israel is doing. They gaslight you every
single day. And you know, for someone like me, as
especially as a black activist, as a black female activist,
I am drawing on so much of my history, my
history as a black person, my history as a black female,
my history as as an activist. And I'm thinking, do

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these people think we are dumb? Do they not understand
that there's so much of what we're saying that we've
seen before. So it's you know, it's interesting you mentioned
earlier monologue. There's so much that we get ghastly on.
So think about language, the way they refer to, oh,
if you're Jewish, it's an ethnicity. No, it's not an ethnicity,
it's a faith or or the way they are at

(14:39):
most maybe at no religious ethnicity, right, because you.

Speaker 2 (14:46):
Ask Jewish folks and name you ask the word the
real lines, and they'll keep it in buck with you.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
They're like, exactly when I hear or when I see uh.
You know, you constantly get the Zionist talking points, and
these zion Is hooking points come to you by white
zignus Jews. We all know black Jews and brown Juices exist,
but we know that the help of Zionism are white

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Jewish people. Just as you have with antisigners Jews, you
find white and designers Jews say Zionism has jackal to
do with Judaism. Zionism has nothing to do with us
as please stop referring or conflicting as with Zionism. So here, yeah, now, wait, yes, wait.

Speaker 2 (15:34):
A bill to ban dual citizenship in the United States
has been introduced in the Senate by who. Senator Bernie Marino,
a Republican in Ohio, introduced Senate Bill three two eight
three Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five, which would

(15:57):
ban dual citizenship in the United States.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Perception, yeah, would have been the exception bill the bill.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Let's see, the bill would require a person with US
citizenship and that of another country to give up one
or the other alleging that a US citizen holding citizenship
elsewhere may create conflicts of interest and divided loyalties.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
Mind you, I promise you Israel is not the exception.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
And that's why I keep telling y'all that we're about
to have the United States of Israel. They are going
to make Israel an official part of the United States,
and then Israel is going to take over.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
Just remember I said this. Oh my god, it's asked.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
A US citizen who voluntarily acquires foreign citizenship would have
to relinquish their US citizenship after the date of enactment.
Those who have dual citizenship would have to submit a
written renunciation of foreign citizenship to the government no later
than one year after the enactment of the act.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
Those who do.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
Not comply will be deemed to have voluntarily relinquished their
US citizenship. So you you are hearing me now, I
want you to hear me say this now. I will
do that when it's time, and I will just be Grenadian.

Speaker 1 (17:21):
I will say this though. I will say this while
they try to target none white people, the people. Did
you really affect American is released real? But I'm telling
you I'm Shola. I have been trying to screen this
from the rooftops, and folks are not hearing me. What

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what we are watching? Yes?

Speaker 2 (17:51):
Is it's not that we're watching a coming together, We're
watching a rising together.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yes, it has been together.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
We are literally Miss Latilla said it. Thank you, because
this is what I've been trying to say. The United
States is being colonized by Israel, and they keep thinking
it's the other way around. No, because Israel has been embedded.
Zionism has been embedded in the fabric of the world,
of the globe.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
And the UK. Same shit. The UK is already colonized. Sis,
we are already colonized by Israel. I hope people are
paying attention. We are already colonized. Zionism is so insidious
in Britain. It permeates every facet of our society. But
it took October twenty twenty three for someone like me

(18:42):
to wake the freak up. I was walking in a slumber.
So many of us were walking in the slumber, not
realizing what was happening right in front of our eyes.
It took the last two years for me to realize that.
Before I started seeing people getting imprisoned, a language being
used to my line and character, you know, like totally

(19:03):
destroy people's reputation. It has already been done on that record.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
Have y'all heard, there's already been two vocal words that
have happened here today we heard doctor Sho Lama say
o Pine and my line. So I just want y'all
to be really listening. Okay, I just want y'all to
be really listening.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
We just heard opine and my line. I'm hearing it.
Keep talking to us please, And I think the bottom line,
the bottom line now is that we need to start
to weaponize the very language and the same processes that
they've used they're using against us. We need to understand
that our lives, liberty, and likelihoods are at risk. People.

(19:41):
This is not a maybe it would happen. It is
happening now. It is happening right before us. The fact
that they don't even care, they don't care, they're doing
it blatantly. This is a problem they You know, that's
what I said earlier about the language being used. Think
about it everything we fought for. I mean, look at
how they refer to antisemitism as racism. You said earlier

(20:04):
about how toudaism is not ethnicity. And when I tell
people and Semitism is not racism, they're like I said, no,
use the brain God gave you. Let let's process. Let's
process this antisemiticim is an expression of hate in its
own right. In its own right, it is equally as
heinous as racism. It is not the same thing. Who

(20:27):
exists with racism sects with racism, but it is not
the same thing because if we accept that Jews are
not a race, They're not a race. They will never
have a race. I don't care what Hitler's said and
how we try to use that against them, when when
in God's world do what Hitler have to say about
Jews now become a reference point to prove something? I mean,
what are you talking about? You people? Not to you

(20:48):
a man that those people talking about me, you have
not a race. So you have white Jews, you have
black Judes, you have brown Juice. Now wein this no
religious ethnicity. Let's just say, right, white Jews can and
have been racist from black and brown Jews. That's because

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the sys of white supremacy is very separate from everything
else that is going on. So they can do that.
Black and brown Jews can't be racist to white Jewish people.
It doesn't work that way. So when you now claim
that anti Semitism is racism, what you're actually doing is
denying a real injustice, of racial injustice that is born

(21:35):
by those who genuinely experience it. And when you do that,
when you start called that semits and racism, you know
who benefits from that? White people? Because in what world
are white people experiencing racism? How? I mean does anti
white prejudice exist? Absolutely, that's racist. This morning they called
me that all the time, am and season California. You

(21:59):
are at five thirty, you know, and sometimes you have
to go. It's some people are just willfully ignorant. And
Zionists use this. They use this to say, well, now
you're being racist to me. And I'm like, I know,
Semitism is not racism and seven sim is antisemitism in
its own right. And if you think about it, when

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I say you've got the white Jewish person, black and
brown Jewish people, when they talk about Semitism, have you
noticed a manner that they're really only talking about white Jews.
Nobody talking about the antisemitism and racism that black and
brown Jews experience so black and brown Jewish people are
experiencing two intersecting inequalities and racial injustices, and people happy

(22:46):
caucastic audacity. They yonasity to the homophobia homophobias. The problem
here is that they use racism as a catch off
phrase for everything. So as far as I'm concer, and
all you're doing is impound the very people who already
oppress oppress black and brown people. So white Jewish people,

(23:07):
black and brown Jewish people who will all experience and Semitism,
but the only one whose pain of Semitism is ever
acknowledged or addressed a white Jewish people. White Jewish people
do not experience freaking racism. Black and brown Jewish people do.
So when you come to a country like the UK
in Britain and everything you do is that immediately it's

(23:29):
immediately couch. And anytime you speak out against science, same
when you speak out against as well, it's immediately couch.
As racism, you have to ask yourself why, because these
white people are not they're not dumb. They understand the
struggle that black and brown people, especially black people black
people have endured in racism, and what they want to
do is co opt that struggle, not experience the struggle,

(23:52):
but co opt it. So they come. And so when
someone like me says, hell to the freak, no, I'm
against antisemitism. I will use my voice and every fiber
of my being to fight and sim because I don't
need to be Jewish to do so. But hell, no,
am I going to sit here and say, oh and
seman sim is racism? It's not. I can see that

(24:13):
it is not the same thing applies to Islamophobia. I
might not just think about it. I know some people,
many people that I respect, are like, they say, Islamophobia
is racism. I'm like, no, it's not. Islamophobia is its
own heinous expression of hate. It is you know, it
is as heinous as racism. It coexists with racism, it

(24:35):
intersects with racism. But they're not the same freaking thing.
White Muslims as an example, white black, and brown Muslims
will all experience is Slamophobia, but white Muslims do not
experience racism. Black and brown Muslims experience Islamophobia and racism. People,
and I'm speaking English, not Latin, not Swaikili, now what

(24:57):
and tells you they are two different?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
But we did Okay, okay, So now what right? Because
because my thing is is we're we're at an inflection point,
doctor Shola, where the ignorance is so deeply outweighed by
the power and so even the so the people who

(25:24):
It'd be one thing if we had an informed populist
that simply just felt powerless.

Speaker 1 (25:29):
But we have an ignorant populist exactly.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Right, that also feels powerless, like you know, like someone
asked the question, Adrian asked the question, are the countries
so used to being colonized that we just don't fight back?

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. This
this is where we get it wrong. America has maybe yes,
was once upon a time colonized by Britain, but we
know that race or past is from a colonizer, right Britain.
I mean, I'll let you want to talk about the Romans.
Let's let's just talk the last how many hundred years.

(26:04):
These countries are not used to being colonized. They are
the colonizers. So what is happening here is not colonization
as we understand it. The way you went to Africa,
South America.

Speaker 2 (26:17):
And colonization two point oh, thank you colonizer, colonizing the colonizer.

Speaker 1 (26:23):
It's colonizer and colonizer violence. This is literally sets of
people white supremacy in conjunction with Jewish supremacy working together. Yes, yes,
the world, that is it. That is what is happening here,
because if you look across Europe, look across Europe, Germany,

(26:45):
we're talking about, you know, strong countries and strong economies
here that support Israel right and support the United States.
And some of them are just you know, whatever Trump says,
whatever America says. You know, we cawtow, we caltaw. These
country trees that are meant to be strong in their
own right, they're all shipping like chicken liver cowards. Not
on single a single one of them is saying anything

(27:08):
because why because they're part of the system. So the
people being colonized or they attempting to colonize, are people
like us, black, brown, white people who are against genocide,
who are against colonization, who are against Zionists, who are
against white supremacy, who are against Jewish supremacy, who are

(27:28):
against everything that we know would make our world rotten.
Those are the people they're trying to colonize. They want
to normalize the very things that our ancestors fought against,
be then black ancestors, white brown assess the kind of
thing that we are still fighting today. They want to
make it legal, legitimate, They want to they want it

(27:49):
to be clared. Just like you said about Israel. Israel
is part and parcel of the United States of America.
But like me, I'm sure millions of people like me
are only just realizing, Oh my god, we did not
know that before too, about twenty twenty three. I did
not know before to about twenty twenty three that my country,
the UK, is being colonized by Israel. I had no

(28:11):
idea that Israel had my politicians, people that we thought
we were democratically elected in their freaking pockets. I mean,
this is what I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
About, that they want to applause you real quick because
something annoyed me.

Speaker 1 (28:23):
Okay, no, you don't mind stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (28:26):
So someone here said, ableism never gets enough time in
these conversations. First of all, the conversation isn't even an
hour long. We haven't even been talking for an hour,
so let's start there. Second of all, y'all be applying
ableism to everything under the sun.

Speaker 1 (28:41):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
Third of all, let me just say this, what doctor
Shola is literally iminating, illuminating and enumerating for you is
the reality of how new this revelation is. So solutions
are always going to be the very.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
Process bound in how they are applied. So if we're
just now getting illuminated to.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
The reality of the issue, right I literally just sat
here and pulled up this and pointed it to you,
and now we're talking about, well, it's ableism.

Speaker 1 (29:16):
I'm gonna tell you now, people aren't.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Going to be able to leave this country for many
reasons besides simply you know, disabled, because that is a
very real reason, right Shola.

Speaker 1 (29:28):
This is a nation of disability. Beyond the physical.

Speaker 2 (29:34):
The disability is also emotional, and it is also mental
because the psychological operations that have been happening on our
internal wiring have been so consistent and immense that there
will be studies if the earth lasts long enough for
people to look back, they will literally come back and say,

(29:55):
oh my gosh, this entire people had been mentally brainwashed, yep,
and and could render us physically unable like we are
as a people not operating at our capability because of
the efforts that have been done.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
So I want to point out that, yes, we.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
Do need to make time to have conversations around the disabled.
We do need to make time to have conversations around
folks who are not economically viable to lead. However, however,
we are right now simply at the inflection point of
even just acknowledging what the is the first place.

Speaker 1 (30:35):
Exactly, and how quite frankly, we are all being empowered,
so diabled and the disabled, right, we are all being disempowered.
If somebody can come and throw you into prison for
exercising your rights to express disgust and contempt for evil,
that should tell you that, whether you're able or disabled,

(30:57):
it's a freaking problem. It's gonna affect you economically, It's
going to affect you, you know, reputationally, it's going to
affect your standing in society. So we need to get
to a point where even our language and how we
present ourselves is very clear to the other side.

Speaker 2 (31:13):
Because but how like, okay, real and this is not
this is not like Devil's advocate, This is a genuine question.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
Yes, why does that matter? What do you what do
you think? What what teeth does it have?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
I'm y'all, I'm literally having an anxiet attack, as idy attack.
I'm literally having an anxiety attack. Like I'm so overwhelmed
in this moment, doctor Sola, and I forgot my medication.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
So let me tell you this. The teeth it has. Okay,
I think if you begin, imagine yourself being held at gunpoint.
Just okay, Oh, you just said you have an anxiety Suitely,
I don't wanted to go higher just watching. Just imagine
that you are in a position physically where it goes

(32:00):
is being pointed at your at your head, and there's
a timer. There is a there's always a timer. That
is where we are, that we are at a trigger point.
We have all been brought to this point, the blatant
use of power against us. It has brought us to

(32:21):
this point that there is a verbal, metaphorical and physical
gun being pointed at our lives, livelihoods, and liberties right now.
And it is not just national, it is global. It
is not just macro level, it is micro level. And
if you can't thinkin to comprehend how serious that is

(32:44):
that even you when I say you're not you are
man now. But those those of you who like to oh,
you know there are other people fight in this battle.
You know, Amandad, doctor Shola, you know, you know all
these people they're doing it. I don't need to do anything.
You're wrong. You need to speak up. You need to
start to form a stance. You need to form a
stance that makes it clear who you are and that

(33:06):
you are not purchasable, that you as a human being,
you count and you matter. And if you're only caring people,
I can't say this loud enough. I swear if you're
only caring and thinking, well, you know that happens to Palestinians.
So that's happened to Muslims. I'm not a Palestinian. I'm
not a Muslim and Christian. It will shock you. It

(33:29):
will shock you because let me tell you this right now,
the people dying in Palestine, be murdered in Palestine are
Muslims and Christians. They're black and white and brown. And
the people committing all of these war crimes don't give
a rat sauce because they're working to a different standard.
So people, I need you to start to wake up

(33:50):
and understand the game that is being played. Don't let
it be too late. And it is okay to be scared.
I'm scared too, but I'm more pissed off that I'm scared.
It is okay to question, how are we going to
do this? The answer is not to do anything. The
answer is to educate yourself. The answer is to align
with other allies, and maybe, maybe, just maybe, the answer

(34:12):
will come to you. But what we cannot afford to
do is, for instance, that bill is about to be passed,
so many millions of Americans would not even know about it,
even if it's posted on ABC CNN. Some of you
will not be paying attention. And if people are not
paying attention, you know what's gonna happen. It will get passed,
and they will use it primarily against people like us.

(34:37):
That's that's what they will use it against. And I'm
not just talking about foreigners like me. I'm talking about
American born people, or Americans who naturalize, or Americans who
who have the right by descent to be citizens of
other countries. I mean, you hear Donald Trump talking about
golf or whatever in Scotland. Yes, right, that's because by

(35:01):
descent he's Scottish. You hear Joe Biden go to Ireland
and blah blah blah, all of these things. When it
comes to white people, it's always a totally different standard
and the people you expect this it's built to apply
to what like zion Is Jews and the Alliance Israel.
You will find there will be a coup out, there'll
be an exception, there'll be a way to work it

(35:21):
out that it's acta because just like Amanda.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
Says, it's not, it's they're not gonna be that man.
I want you to listen to what he said again.

Speaker 3 (35:31):
And so we are living in a time of miracles
and unprecedented opportunities. And the challenge for us here and well,
this will end because this is this is key. The
challenge for us here is to leverage Israel's successes into
our successes, and our victory is here because we are
one people.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
That part exactly.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
They are literally going to create a fusion. Yeah, what
ideas real is officially the United States as a colony
in the Middle East, and not a colony anymore. It
will be anofficial country like State of the United States.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
And listen, Amanda, you may not be wrong at all,
but I think it's for people. I'm very wrong, and
that's what's so annoying. The ship that I be right
about is the worst shit. And I think what is
equally annoying is that people cannot read the signs. I
think it's one thing not to be cognizant and not

(36:39):
to be aware of history and how it repeats itself.
But when you see something like this happening, then you
are duty bound to educate yourself. You're duty bound to
ask questions and to get the right answers. And when
you've been giving so much information, pray for wisdom and
discernment so you know right from wrong. But when we
end up doing so wrong, is that we get so

(37:03):
you know, tied up in our own pain, in our
own struggle, in our own personal losses, that it makes
it difficult for people to see out because you don't
understand that they're weaponizing your pain and you'll struggle to
keep you down. That's what they're doing. And I think
sometimes when people see people like you, I might not
saying myself, and they think, oh, look at them. They

(37:24):
sound very strong, very confident, But you don't see us
when we're like, oh my god, what do I do now?
I'm on the floor. I am literally on the floor
in the hotel room right now. You know that we
up tomorrow.

Speaker 2 (37:37):
Yes, because I only allow myself twenty four hours of panic.
I started doing that in two thousand and five. Yeah,
got twenty four hours of panic.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
And whatever you do.

Speaker 2 (37:47):
In that twenty four hours, cry, run, go punch something,
eat ice cream, retail therapy, and then send it back.
But you get twenty four hours and then you got
to figure it the fuck out.

Speaker 1 (38:01):
I think that is so important. That is so important,
And this is why, for instance, when we said, okay,
let's have a conversation about what it is to be black,
for instance in Britain, what does that mean? What does
it mean to be a marginalized you know, part of
a marginalized group in a country that you belong to.

(38:21):
How if people don't understand this is this is what
is going to happen. This is exactly what's gonna happen.
We're going to end up asking ourselves what is it
like to be you? No longer a boy? Whether you're black, brown,
or white, you'll be defined by something else, whether you're
biness or antisionist, whether you're genocide or anti genocide, whether
you're pro colonization of We will all be defined by

(38:44):
something else, but the root of it will be the same,
because you know when when you when you when you
reach out, when you reach down. I thought about the
question what is it like to be black in Britain?
And I thought to myself. To be black in Britain
is to be British and told you're not. To be
black in Britain is to be rooted in your heritage

(39:04):
and told that what shapes the sum of you would
be nothing without white people. To be black in Britain
is to have the white need of white supremacy on
your black necks, and talk by the governments who are
meant to serve and protect you that Britain is not
institutionally and systemically racist. To be black in Britain is
to have your history, your presence and contributions in Britain,

(39:28):
both president and historical, to be denied, questioned, or minimized.
To be black in Britain, ladies, ladies and gentlemen is
to be denied your lived experiences and having to justify
while you also belong. To be black in Britain is
to have your black identity constantly maligned, misrepresented, marginalized, commoditized,

(39:50):
and criminalized. To be black in Britain is to suffer
the violence of white supremacy, both visibly and invisibly, verbal
and physical, and then go completely ignored in plain view.
To be black in Britain is to fight so hard
for economic, racial, cultural and social justice only for the

(40:15):
people to benefit most from it, from every step of progress,
to be white. And if we are not careful, we
are getting to a stage now where it is not
just as I said, to be black, or to be brown,
or to be Muslim, or even to be Jewish. We're
getting to a point where this you know inflection you're

(40:37):
talking about, Amanda, it's taking us a whole new level
of evil. It's going to be it's going to be
the marriage between supremacy, fascism, Nazism, and all of these
other things that people fought so hard. Yes, no longer exists.
And when that that is already happening. Quite frankly, it

(40:57):
is already happening because it's been legitimate in our houses
of Parliament. We have a political prostitute for your Prime Minister,
Kirs Starmer, who who is a freaking Zionist. He just
jumps from one place.

Speaker 2 (41:12):
Now, I was gonna say you know what it is.
He's not even a Zionist. He's an opportunist.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
So he'll do what he if he needs to be
a Zionist today. Fine, But the reason why he will
always be a Zionist, Amanda, is because it's not just
because of opportunity, but because that is where his political
ambition can grow. That's what I'm saying. That's an opportunitist.
It's not just opportunity. I need to understand. He also
has Jewish roots. His wife is Jewish. I hate talking

(41:39):
about spouses because I don't see the rest.

Speaker 2 (41:41):
Now when I say opportunist, opportunists in my definition is
someone who will attach themselves to anything that gives them
a cent.

Speaker 1 (41:52):
Yes, but I'm saying that he believes in this thing.
This is a good person. He believes Anxietism. Because whether
you're weaponizing Zionism for political opportunity or wealth is not
that different from you going, oh well it doesn't affect
me badly, or I'm going to be part. I'm going

(42:13):
to be part of this group of people. And that
is where we also suffer as black people in these
in this scenarios, because then they have totalized black people
who justify the evil that is being enforced and imposed
on other black and brown people. Then we get tokenized

(42:33):
ladies and gentlemen Christians. You know, as much as I
hold Zionus Jews in contempt, I hold Zenus Christians in
deeper contempt. As a Christian, I consider them to be
far worse and evil, quite frankly, because you're literally taking
the Bible, taking Jesus Christ, taking God, and weaponizing the

(42:55):
very thing that's meant to bring salvation. You're weaponizing it
as a Russian and you're using all of these dumb
ass willful ignorance, ideology or because you know it's called this.
Let me tell you something. When they named the Puzzle
of Lands that was a portion to Zionus, When they

(43:16):
named it Israel, they knew what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (43:18):
Of course, they knew exactly what they were incredible marketers
and if you call it.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Anything else, but these Zionist Jews knew because there are
more Zionist Christians that they are Zionist Jews, right, they
knew they needed a power of Zionis Christians. And you
know Zionist Christians are they're they're rooted in white supremacy,
the black and brown ones are racial gatekeeping. Uh you know,
enagblers of white supremacy. White nationalist Christianity is rooted in

(43:52):
white supremacy, and it's that white supremacy and white nationally
Christianity that was that was empowered, that was used to
call us from continent to continent, from country to country.
So as far as I see it, and I've said it,
I'll say it again, I think zis Christians are the
absolute freaking worst. And that's why as a Christian and

(44:14):
I'm grateful to God. I really am grateful to God.
It is so important to have discernment. It's so important
to not be afraid to question things because you know
when they come with this desigonist talking points like God
gave us this land, and I'm like, you know, I've
read the Bible back to back quite a number of
times in my life. I do not claim to be

(44:35):
able to make quotations like some people. I can't claim that,
but I have enough in my head to know, Okay,
let's go with God gave you the land by same
God that kicked you off the land because you pissed
him off. And we all know why you pissed them off,
and why keep you because you want to use the
Bible to claim ownership and legitimacy, when the same Bible

(44:58):
says you pissed them off so much, he kicks you off.
And then you get more more, you know, more points
like well, this is Israel, and the Bible says that
anybody who goes against Israel, and that's not what the
Bible says. The Bible says nothing of the sort. And
then they want to bring up Jesus. Jesus was a Jew.
We know that. What's your point? And you know, if

(45:21):
you don't love Jesus, if you don't love Israel Jewish state,
then you don't love Jesus because Jesus was a Jew.
And I go, let me ask you, ques, let me
ask you a question. Go and read the New Testament
from back to back and show me where Jesus talked
about Israel, talked about the return of the Kingdom of Israel.

(45:44):
Talk to he did not, He could not give a
rats ask about Israel, Kingdom of Israel, Kingdom of Judah,
if that was none of his damn business. All he
talked about was the Kingdom of Heaven.

Speaker 2 (45:54):
It's also not ain't historical text period, it's not a
magna carta. It's not a declaration of independence. It has
been chopped up and screwed like Houston hip Hosh.

Speaker 1 (46:13):
So sometimes I say, but I would love to make
the time one day. I would love to make the
time one day to read all the scripts that did
not make it into the modern day Bible, read tran
tre will make the time to read the Torah one day.
I don't know when, because I am sick and tired
of people bringing things, you know, passages out of the
you know, Koran or out of the Torah to justify

(46:36):
or delegitimize, and I go and anything all different times.
And the New Testament has mad stuff from Paul and
youre where like you alive, and even the Old Testament.
I mean, I've got writings in my Bible right, I
was reading over acts and I've got things in red

(46:58):
where I'm literally pissed off at por like, what do
you mean I'm writing it there?

Speaker 2 (47:04):
Because you could almost sell this Pauls who wrote revelations,
not revelations, Pauls who wrote at Yes, he was like
by himself, these were all just visions that he had
and he was like, yo, let me write this down
because I'm feeling some type of way that's a substack.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Yeah. But also also you can also see where Paul's
opinions what is meant to be God's word? Because he
was like, oh, women, basically saying women should be seen
on her. I'm like, if women should be seen on her,
why is that God made women judges? What is that

(47:46):
God in the Old Testament make women judges and get
women to my red pin out? What do you mean?
Like Paul was standing in front of him, I mean
he and I will be having a time of argument
because I okay, but I've resolved, you know, as a Christian,
And I said this to myself years ago that they
go to be things I don't have answers to. And

(48:09):
I'm sure God is way too busy, especially because I
just saw him in my other things. That meaning me
time on that when I finally meet my father in heaven,
we will have a conversation, because.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
I can tell you the conversation is going to be.
Then people were speaking for me. That wasn't they. That
was they was just talking for me. There was a
gamer operator they they was taking messages.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
You know what, you know what, you know what a lot.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
Of the Bible is a Bible is how when you
leave a voice note and then you have to tell
the person, yo, I did voice text. So the translation
may be off, like that's really what it be as
God sometimes sometimes, which is why, Which is why when
I talk to folks and they interpreted it. You know,
when you read it, you read a text or wherever

(48:58):
you at. So Moses read the text where he was
on the mountain. He was like this one, this one
says to me.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
I don't know if Moses would have read that the
same way where he not on the mountain. I know,
I know. But this is why maturity. I want to
say maturity, I don't mean age, maturity in growth as
a human, in your relationship matters for for for the
longest time. I'm grateful to God for this. At some
point in my journey in life, I began to understand

(49:25):
the difference between Christianity as a as a religion and
Christianity as a relationship with God. So I don't do religion.
I do not have time for religion because for me,
religion is burdensome. My spirit is you can't You're just
your brain. You're just smart.

Speaker 3 (49:42):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (49:46):
I don't know about being smart.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
What I do know because because you know that it's
being used to manipulate you, so you can't your brain
won't even let you be that.

Speaker 1 (49:54):
So you're like, no, I think this is where I
think my God comes in because He has fashioned me
differently so that my very spirit goes that doesn't let
me tell let me, let me explain some to you
when I go to church. When I'm in church and
the pastor is preaching, and Peter said, and John said,
and Jesus said. Automatically, in my mind, I'm going, all right,

(50:15):
but what's that going to do with me? Explain it
to my my immediately because I already know what Jesus said,
what post I understand. I can read the Bible. What
I need is to break you down in a way
that can help me live my life, not just get
from point A to point B, not just survive, but
to thrive. And to me, that is where the essence
and authenticity of the Bible comes in. Where you are

(50:37):
learning and you're growing. One day you learn something from
a particular text, and the next day you learn a
different thing from the same particular text. That for me
is growth with God. And to me, that is where
I'm like, God, thank you. But now that I understand
the difference between religion as you know, as man made
and relationship with you with God, please let me help

(50:58):
me stick with you, I'm gonna fall into trap off,
you know, religiosity.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Because so this brings us back to the question I
asked you about language, because what you're really describing is
how the spirit communicated through language speaks to your spirit, right, Yes,
And I can say that I've experienced that, not from
the Bible, but through other texts. I've experienced that through

(51:26):
the lyrics of Bob Marley. I've experienced that through The
Alchemist by Paulo Celo, like I've experienced that through Parable
of the Sour. So it's it's and you know, I've
been talking a lot lately about how like there is
something unique about humans and the writing. It's not just communicating,
it's the writing. There is no other animal that writes, right,

(51:48):
And we often talk about, Oh, our uniqueness as humans
is in civilization. No, it's not like other animals have civilizations.
They have ways that they exist that are civilized. So
it's the writing and what you're saying about our language
and how we are referring to ourselves as having power.
I want to piggyback on that and say it can't

(52:09):
simply just be in our language verbally, but we have
to be writing on walls, in books, online everywhere, like
we have to be making physical record of our existence
in our own words.

Speaker 1 (52:23):
But we also, Amanda, if I can add to that,
we need to be birthing. Birthing. And when I say birthing,
I don't just mean, you know, pushing a child out
of your you know, Panani, That's not what I'm just
talking about. I'm talking about you birth in that dream,
You birth in that vision, that vision that can have
impact on one person, ten people, one thousand, ten thousand,

(52:44):
one hundred thousand, a million. And it is through that
that people will get They get that inspiration and aspiration
because something will trigger something in them that speaks to
their spirit about the kind of change and the kind
of contribution they can make. To me, it's amazing how
on social media I come across people I have never

(53:06):
met in my entire life by connect with them in
a way that I'm not connected with those that I
see every day. That's something or am I connect with
a language or text or word of wisdom somebody and
I see it as wisdom. I go, wow, where have
you been all my life? I mean I'm literally saying
this to somebody else there. It could be a man

(53:27):
or woman. I don't care, like you know all my life.
And I think this is why I said, Look, we
are duty about to educate ourselves, and education does not
necessarily mean you need to read up on everything. Some
of us are not great. We read it not because
you can't rery, but because you find it boring. Don't read, watch, listen,

(53:49):
use audio engaging conversation, but do not do not do
yourself and the next generation in disservice by not educating
yourself and by not asking questions. I am going to say, though,
do you need to read? Oh? You know it's boring.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Even if it's boring, that's why I wrote what with
the answers to say. The way it's written is that
you can read small chunks, yes, and get your But
I also want it because lack of literacy is a tool.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I understand, but we also have to recognize. So I'll
give you an example. My husband can watch anything from
ag toc. You give him a book, he reads. It's
not like you can read, but he finds he's not
as intrereeding as I am. Oh.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
I'm not saying that he has to be into it,
saying it needs to be a part of the practice.

Speaker 1 (54:42):
Okay, and I understand that. But we also have to
make rumor for those who may not be that way
incline and find ways to turn that writing into other
mediums that people can't digest. That's what I'm saying. And
I think that we are now at the point, especially
in twenty twenty five, that we recognize that technology it
is giving us all of these options. I see now,

(55:03):
for instance, sometimes on my Instagram feed, I see animation
being used to tell stories. I think that is brilliant
because there'll be people who won't sit down and read
about man Sa Musa, the Riches you know, black Man
on God's Earth, Richer and elon Mask, but they'll be
able to learn about him by watching or audible to listen.

(55:23):
Because everybody has different things. And you know, the reality
as well, Amanda, is that the way I was as
a child, it's not who I who I am as
an adult. As much as I would like to go
to the things I used to do as a child,
somehow I would listen. I would not drop a book
until I finished it. It doesn't matter how late it
is into the night. I can't afford because I don't

(55:47):
have the time. I don't have the time as a mom.
I'dn't have a time as a professional. I'd have a
time as an act. I just now need to be
able to There's so many parts of my life that's
taking different chants that you have to make the time
to do some things. So how can I How can
I run and walk at the same time without losing
the beat, without trying to be a superwoman, because Heaven
knows I am not a super I'm not a superwoman.

(56:11):
And girl that you can let you go like you girless.

Speaker 4 (56:24):
Money you Oh, I would.

Speaker 1 (56:37):
I think it's so important for us to understand our strengths,
our weaknesses, make room to improve ourselves as much as
where we need to fight the common enemy. And also
not be afraid, not be afraid to be afraid, not
be afraid to be anxious, but do like you said, Amanda,

(56:57):
put a timer on that fear and then anxiety. It's true.

Speaker 2 (57:01):
I mean I saw with someone in here say that
ADHD makes it hard to read Listen, I can only
read three pages at a time.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
I'm not. I'm not. I didn't say it's easy the
whole book. Yeah, yeah, I didn't say it's easy.

Speaker 2 (57:14):
I read three pages and I'm like, WHOA, Well, gotta
go do something.

Speaker 1 (57:19):
Now exactly exactly.

Speaker 2 (57:22):
I'm just saying that, you know, even if it's an
article or something like, it becomes an exercise that y'all
have to practice because we're so out of practice. And
part of our ADHD and our autism is also exacerbated
by the fact that we really don't take in information
in that way anymore, like you know, like we we

(57:42):
actually our anxiety gets triggered by having to focus because
we don't even like our chemicals are are shifted in
how we yep entertain how we engage with things. But
I did have I did have a question. Someone asked
a question before we go, because I do have to
go to Baltimore. Someone said, what, oh, I guess I

(58:08):
didn't start well, basically, someone asked like, well, what are
your suggestions for people who can't leave the country, And
whether you're in England or the US, I'm pretty sure
it's the same, but I'm curious your thoughts.

Speaker 1 (58:23):
Right, Okay, So when you say you can't leave the
country almost suggests that you want to.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
Okay, Well, well, yeah, like how I was like, you know,
I really believe that we are reaching an inflection point
and if you are anti Zionists, it will become criminal
for you to exist here, and it will become incredibly
dangerous for you to exist here. And if you are
not able to immigrate, to immigrate somewhere else, then what

(58:49):
do you do?

Speaker 1 (58:50):
Okay? I think there's two things here. There are some
countries that you can get citizenship, you know from I
think they are ways to it. I don't know. Yah,
I've heard and people become citizens money money states. No
one has money exactly. Okay, So my thing would be this,
if we're perfectly honest, my thing would be this, unless

(59:12):
you choose to go work and live somewhere and get
a working visas, or you can just be out of
the country. The reality is this that we cannot afford
to leave our countries in the hands of this people,
because then nothing will change. I'm not asking you to
sacrifice your life or I am saying that. I think
if you're staying and you are there, you have to

(59:34):
prepared for some of the worst things. I don't want
you to lose your life. I think that now is
the time for you to start your preparation. So you
do want to leave, and you're able to get a
working visa somewhere else, fine if you do. If you
have no choice but to stay, then you need to
start to arm yourself with knowledge, arm yourself with the
right circles, arm yourself with power. And that power stops,

(59:57):
not stop, but starts with how you engage in your community,
in your society. Don't live it to other people to
do so. It doesn't matter if you're from a small
town in Minnesota, which Trump was just saying about, you know, Surmalians.
If there's nothing that exists, create it. Start to create

(01:00:20):
a subset community of people that you can recognize, who
are like, Okay, this is who you can go to
for legal, for accounting, for this. You need to have
a circle of people around you that you can trust.
And then when I say trust, I don't mean oh
my god, I'm giving you my life. That's not what
I mean. I mean people who are like minded, people

(01:00:42):
who you know are also engaged and knowledgeable in things
that you are non knowledgeable and engaged on So start
to widen your circle. And can I just say to you,
Let me just say to you people that it is
important for you not to limit yourself. It's bad enough
that they've limited you by their perception. So you could
be black, brown, you can be Muslim. You could be

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part of a marginalized group that is already limited by
the perception of those in power. Remove that limitation from
your mind and broaden your horizon. Start to making new friends.
Start to understand things you did not understand. And I'll
tell you this as I've grown older. I recently turned fifty.
I know I don't look at but we do try'd

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bed But one of the things I've learned in my
own journey is to unpick my learning. People, it will
shock you how much I have that I did not
realize I had internalized from white supremacy, from ignorance, from
things I was exposed to as a child, or you know,

(01:01:44):
or growing up as a teenager, or because I just
never made the time, which is why it took the
last two years for me to unpick my learning about
things that I took for granted. Okay, whether it's about Zionism,
I lived in a world. Let me just tell you.
I lived in the world at my grand age of
forty eight when October seventh happened. I lived in a

(01:02:06):
world where I thought God overcomes evil. Eventually, the right
thing will happened, we have the right people. Only for
all of that to come crashing down around my ears,
I know I need to go. I mean, there are
times that I almost take a pillow and I want
to stream into it. I my remote control at the

(01:02:26):
TV screen. But the only reason stopping me is because
there's a cost of living crisis. And I counted for
to buy world. So you know, you know, you end
up just managing your own expectations. I'm like, where have
I been living? What have I been doing? I thought
I was making you know, I thought I was making impact.
How could I possibly have been making any kind of

(01:02:47):
impact if I didn't even know about ABC. I remember recently,
I think it was this year that there was a
documentary Channel four, which is a British channel, and they
talked about This documentary was about the UH about the
far rights against Asian people, against Bangladeshi Pakistani people in Britain.

(01:03:11):
Amanda the focus of this documentary was about the murder
of some of some of these Asian people in Britain.
By the time I finished watching it, I was I was.
I gaped at my own ignorance. I was ashamed that

(01:03:33):
I never heard these Asian brothers were murdered by these
far right people. I had never heard about it. I
was so mad at myself that documentary. Yeah, but this
is what I'm talking about. I have a duty to
go learn about what I don't. I don't even know

(01:03:54):
what I don't know. That's how bad it is. Do
you know? The media is used to raised history. The
media is used to dictate to us what we should know,
what we should care about. I've studied questioning every media
source that I have because I'm like, why are you
telling me about this, but you're not telling me about that?
Because of course I have broadened where I get my

(01:04:15):
sources from, and so by thinking this is what I
tell my kids. I've got three daughters and they're here
in this house. Because my husband probably disagrees with fifty
percent of my of my political views. I mean, we
are centered on all the right things, but he would
say things like when there was Brexit, he was like
Brexton's gonna happen. I'm like, why would Brexa happen? This

(01:04:36):
is me. I'm on the front line of marches. I'm
speaking at rallies, speaking out against Brestain and I come
on and my husband's like, Brexit's gonna happen. You need
to read the room. These people are not listening up.
I'm like, y what And he turned out to be right.
Then there was the whole Trump and Hillary Clinton election.
I'm like, nobody in the right mind will vote for Trump. No, no, no, no,
blah blah blah. He just looks at me and went,

(01:04:59):
Trump is going to with how can you? And here
I am out in protest. I was one of the
you know, co organizers and women's mouth, Papa, you know
you can't do. And my husband turned out to write
to be right. You know what my daughter said to me.
Let me tell what my daughter has said to me.
They said, mommy, you're very passionate. That's very good. But
daddy was right because he was right. I am living

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in a I'm living in a bubble where I think
goode must overcome evil. These people must see what's on.
And these people are not on the same wavelength as me.
The same people who voted for Tromp and now especially
the marginalized people like some of the Latinas and some
of the black people that voted for him, I can
now see that his policies are directly affecting them. I'm like,

(01:05:43):
where you comatos, when we told you that that's what's
going to happen. What is wrong with you people? So
I am now learning that, Okay, Sela, you need to
take a different because my husband always says to me,
listen the rate you're going, you're gonna have a high
blood pressure. I need you to I need you to
be around for a long term, so you can't possibly
be angry by everything. So now I'm like, okay, I

(01:06:05):
go back to that two thousand and six I go
he said this, Okay, let me just start to Let
let me just understand that I am not people. Some
people and I are not on the same wavelength. So
it has to be the point that I am not
going to lose hope because there are people out there
who don't think like me, which is why the last
general election here in the UK, people like, we only

(01:06:26):
have two choices, you either go labor or conservative. I'm like,
you have two choices. I have free I have Labor
Tory and everybody else that is in Labor or Torri
and I'm going to go with anybody else that's well,
it not telling me I don't have choices. I do
have choices. And this is what I'm saying that we
need to start to defy the start of school. We

(01:06:47):
need to start to say, you know, stop coming up
with excuses why you shouldn't do the very thing that
will change the start of school. And that's where I'm
at because I'm like, I will not be responsible for
your choice in pig Kistoma when you can already see
Kisama is a truth fashline political prostitute. I Am not
going to be responsible for you to go and vote
for Trump or some people's case Kamala Harris. And I'm like,

(01:07:12):
m to me, she's showing a true college. I do
not see a difference between genocidal Trump and genocidal Kamala Harris.
If she's suddenly just gonna keep you know, harving Israel. Yeah,
people don't want to listen. Oh no, we can't vote
for the Green Party. Well come up with a viable alternative.
Stop acting like the Republicans and Democrats are your only

(01:07:33):
choices to Democrats are controlled opposition. But no, But here's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (01:07:38):
I used to really feel like voting was a necessary tool,
and I feel more and more that voting ends up
being an uh. I feel more and more, particularly in
the United States, that voting.

Speaker 1 (01:07:57):
Is somewhat of a.

Speaker 2 (01:08:01):
Demonstration of the populace that they still believe in the government.

Speaker 1 (01:08:06):
And well in people power. I see the other way,
rather than believing government, but that you believe No, Well,
listen to what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:08:13):
I'm saying that the the But in this country, the
government does not respond to people power.

Speaker 1 (01:08:21):
So even though people get elected, that doesn't end up being.

Speaker 2 (01:08:25):
An indication that the desires of the people are going
to be met by who they have represent Who they
are is representative, I mean, and that's been studied and proven.

Speaker 1 (01:08:34):
They just do whatever they want.

Speaker 2 (01:08:36):
So I think at this point there does end up
being a very aligned attachment between voting as a actual
in the United States specifically, I can't speak about anywhere else.
I can only speak about here because that's what I
know that here, voting has become a way for the

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government to determine how much.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Faith the populace has in them.

Speaker 2 (01:09:05):
That is a fact, like there we already see by
pattern recognition that they are not governing based on the people.
They use it as a benchmark every two years to
basically determine how much they have to repress or suppress.

(01:09:27):
So at one point in time, when people would say
we need to hold the vote, I was like, that
doesn't make sense because there isn't anything alternative. Whereas at
this point, I would say, holding the vote becomes an
act of resistance because it is a show of a
lack of faith in the establishment, and that is their fear.

Speaker 1 (01:09:49):
And you see, that's what else slightly I would disagree
with you on because my fear now, I mean, if
you had said this to me when I was in
my thirties, does a yaa. But now I'm like, holding
the vote it means not participating actually make a change
and can change with the VET. But you can't make

(01:10:11):
a change with what you're voting for, That's what I'm saying.
So so I can you and I can agree on this.
You cannot make a change if the options available to
you are tools that are I think you can. So
let me know what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (01:10:28):
What I'm saying is that there is no version of
the United States government that will provide the current capitalist
United States government that will provide you tools to make
it change so and doesn't matter who you plug into it, right,
it does not, It can't. It's literally like trying to
put a square peg in a circle.

Speaker 1 (01:10:48):
And I see what you're saying, but I think, and
I'll tell you. I'll tell you this. I see what
you're saying, and I think, to some extent I kind
of agree, except where I see that something like Mamdanny's
win kind of let me tell you what I'm thinking.
Let me tell you what I'm thinking. I know you're
shaking your head. Just hold up a second, zoramm Danny
came from way out of the field, right. It started

(01:11:10):
off with one percent or something, right, he would not
have even been in the vision of of real opposition.
And I think that not only was he seeing the writings,
but he gave the He presented himself as being on
the very issues that people wanted to address. And watch

(01:11:31):
how people power shifted in taking his one percent to
over fifty percent. That is where I think people power.
Then what oh no, and then what we'll see from January.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
We will see see from January, we're already seeing he's
already doing. So what I'm saying is that even though
that's an example, you just named one mayoral race in
an entire country. Yes, that's an anomaly, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
Not least the exception. Absolutely absolutely, But I think part
of the problem as well as we They are probably
lots of a good few more Zora Man Danny's out there.
We don't even know that Dora Mam Danny is Zorah Man.
But when I say Zora Mam Danny, let's just use
it metaphorically as somebody that can gana people's support and

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and be on the issues that people care about.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
No warring Zionism and theism. We listen, Sola, the framework
is embedded in Zionism.

Speaker 1 (01:12:32):
So I don't agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:12:35):
I don't disagree in the United States that we end
up talking about Like here in the US, everyone ends
up talking about MEGA, which I get right because MEGA
is very powerful and they're very impactful. However, they consistently
disassociate that MEGA and Democrats are both on the same
page with Zionism.

Speaker 1 (01:12:52):
And I'm hearing you, but you're not hearing me. I'm
saying that in look at how zion Is disagree with you? Okay, okay,
good here I disagree or that's what I live here.

Speaker 2 (01:13:05):
So I'm telling you that somebody here I'm using it.
Not just as the United States. I'm also using it,
but I have completely I have I have said that
I'm only couching this in the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:13:16):
I can't start anywhere else. What I'm trying to say
here is I'm not ignoring scientists. Is she frozen or
is it me? Am I frozen? Or she frozen?

Speaker 2 (01:13:32):
Is she frozen or am my frozen? Damn well, she'll
come back. Someone said, let's hear her point of view.
We did hear her point of view.

Speaker 1 (01:13:44):
What I'm saying is people power.

Speaker 2 (01:13:51):
Becomes something different if it's powering.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Oh you're and FROs Okay, what were you saying? Ok okay,
So what I'm trying to say is this, I'm not
ignoring Zionist. If I'm not igloring Baga, I'm not ignoring
any of those powers. I'm using Ma'm Danny as an
example where all of these powerful systems and forces could
not stop power from changing the outcome. Now, whether or

(01:14:16):
not Zora Mam Daddy ends up being like the system,
or you know, successfully fights a system. We will see
or maybe we're still seeing. It doesn't change the fact
that in the face of the powerful, all of the
horrible things they did against him, that people power went
f you, We're still going to vote for him. That's

(01:14:37):
what I'm pointing out. So I'm not even talking about
Zora mam Daddy's character or him as a person. No,
I'm really just talking about people power.

Speaker 2 (01:14:45):
And what I'm saying is that what happens in this
nation is that we are giving crumbs of exception that
we then name as the rule, and it continues to
tie us to practices that don't actually help us. So

(01:15:07):
one Zoora Mamdani, for me, cannot be considered a rule
of possibility when it really doesn't match up with the
realm of reality.

Speaker 1 (01:15:18):
And that realm says.

Speaker 2 (01:15:20):
That even though he did get elected by the people,
which is a beautiful thing, we are still seeing the
Zionist rule and we saw it start to happen during
that process. And furthermore, I am now in the United
States as someone who was a staunch voter, like staunch proud,
like the dynamics made sense, I will say dynamic shift,

(01:15:47):
you know, like it's like something that made like when
we say we vote because people died for it in
the sixties, Yes, And then those same people will tell
you that after they died for it and got the
right to vote and thought that it was going to
shift the culture of this nation, it didn't, and it
made them lose faith in the actual establishment that they

(01:16:08):
were working so hard to be a part of. So
what I'm saying is that in this time, I'm having
a revelation around voting because so many of us see
voting as participatory and thus a necessity, because it demonstrates
that we're here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:27):
It's kind of like a proof of life. And I
never would.

Speaker 2 (01:16:32):
Have considered not voting protests until I began to understand
that the establishment sees our vote as a way to
keep us.

Speaker 1 (01:16:44):
Passive.

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
It presents it to us as our greatest tool. Here
in the United States, they present voting as our greatest tool.

Speaker 1 (01:16:53):
They did the same in the UK, absolutely, but were.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
Making us feel like, well, then I guess we don't
have to resist. I guess we don't have to form
our own communities because we're going to do our work
in the vote and.

Speaker 1 (01:17:08):
The point is how we use that vote and how
that vote is then weaponized against us. And this is
where I have the issue, because everything you're saying about
how the system works and establishment, I see our hand
in it. I see our hands. So if I use
Britain as an example, and maybe it can you translate
to America, I see a hand in how we elect
our members of parliament. Every member of parliament you elect

(01:17:32):
becomes your representative in Parliament, right in the House of Parliament.
And what then happens is if you exercise your vote
to voting a bad person, you know, somebody you know
that is deeply problematic on issues that may not necessarily
impact you but impacts other people. You're part of the problem.
You're part of creating that establishment. And I've witnessed that

(01:17:54):
in the way I've observed you as politics, in the
way people justify who they vote for and how they
defend it. And I'm saying, how can you not see
all this? And they come up with, you know, the
lesser of to evils. I'm like, this lesser of to
evils is still evil. The problem is you are not
presenting yourself with an alternative, and even if an alternative comes,

(01:18:15):
you then convince yourself that you can't go with the
alternative because the alternative isn't powerful enough. And I'm like,
you do understand that the only reason the Republicans and
Democrats are powerful in the state, the Conservatives and the
Labor Party are powerful in Britain is because you keep
voting for them. If once, if just for once, the

(01:18:36):
majority of the populace decided to take their votes away
from these people. Take your votes away from them. There's
jack or they can do about it. Give it to
somebody else, Try somebody else, even if it's even if
it looks impossible, even if it looks like they only
have one percent, even if it looks at well, they
don't have enough senators enough Robbins, stop that bullshit, Stop
all those excuses that they fed into your head, and

(01:18:57):
just go a different route.

Speaker 2 (01:18:59):
So here's where I have to challenge you on this,
because you're speaking about voting as if it is done fairly,
as and it's not right like we're speaking about this
in the context of there being some actual.

Speaker 1 (01:19:15):
Like legitimacy to voting.

Speaker 2 (01:19:18):
And I can tell you for a fact, the United
States has has destabilized, has infiltrated has affected every not every,
but one hundred and sixty one of the one hundred
and sixty three countries in the UN.

Speaker 1 (01:19:37):
It has had a hand in one of their elections
or another.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yes, so, and knowing that we have to trust that
if they're doing it everywhere else, they practice it here first.

Speaker 1 (01:19:48):
So I say that to say, let me post this thing.
Did I bring it up? So? Like right now, right,
You've got this thing happening.

Speaker 2 (01:20:01):
In uh, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on,
I'm bringing this up right.

Speaker 1 (01:20:06):
No, okay, this is going on in uh New Orleans.

Speaker 2 (01:20:15):
Of course, my phone just freaking died, Okay. So basically,
right now, they are bringing Zionism down to the local level.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
Yep. So they are meeting with the mayors of cities
across the nation.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
And you're right, this is a response to Iran, without question, right,
this is absolutely your response is Iran. They are coming,
they are bringing down They are coming together with mayors
across the nation to now influence them to create legislation
that criminalizes anti Semitic language there. And they're starting with

(01:20:52):
a black mayor one of the blackest cities in the world, New.

Speaker 1 (01:20:57):
Orleans, probably as no doubt, no doubt. Probably.

Speaker 2 (01:21:06):
So when I see that, I say, okay, so this
lets us know that any election, well Louisiana politics dollar
has been sketchy anyway, but any election.

Speaker 1 (01:21:17):
With Zion is involved, we know it's not above board.
It's not above board, it's not Listen, we have to
recognize that these obstacles exist, These power systems, this forces
exist because they're the status squall and they're and you know,
they're the goliath to our David. But we cannot say

(01:21:39):
that because of that goliath. So, for instance, uh, in
the in the UK, we got what they call first
past supposed right, which is deeply problematic in how our
political parties win the elections. It's almost similar to you
guys with your electoralcologies and blah blah blah, because it's
not how many people voted that ends up being a
persuasive win. It is it is this stuff, and we

(01:22:00):
need to get rid of this. First part, Suppose I
am saying that, regardless of how huge, powerful and forceful
Goliath is should not stop our David from throwing that
freaking stone, from throwing the stone. I'm saying that he
has to change the stone. That's all I'm saying the stone,

(01:22:21):
I'm with you, I'm with you. That's what I'm saying.
At this point. The bulletin, at this point, the bulletin
is not a stone. The voting is a cotton ball.
That's all I'm whether it is voting or any other
but we need to still throw that stone whatever, whatever
however that stone might manifest, it needs to be done.

(01:22:42):
It must be done or else nothing will.

Speaker 2 (01:22:44):
I'm saying is that we have to innovate the way
that we are operating because it isn't working right because
if we've been doing that, innovator the way we're operating,
we have to birth a new method.

Speaker 1 (01:22:57):
Like you said, watch the innovation of this powerful forces
the way this is. So this is my thing. I
feel like if the if the force.

Speaker 2 (01:23:08):
Okay, so remember you were saying like they are David, right,
so we have the David please sorry, they're gLing, they're Goliath.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
So okay. You know when you see a moving.

Speaker 2 (01:23:17):
Car and there's something on the car that is like
stopping the car right, like it's preventing it from moving.
The best way to get that thing off the car
is to do what tell me, pop.

Speaker 1 (01:23:31):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:32):
If you are driving and there's somebody chasing you, the
best way to get them.

Speaker 1 (01:23:38):
To stop is to stop.

Speaker 2 (01:23:41):
And so what I'm saying is that if we're dealing
with something that's of a greater force, oh let me
let me cut this person. Sorry, I have to block
this person. If we're dealing with a greater force than
what we can manage with force, then we have the
judo and we have to use their force against them.

Speaker 1 (01:24:01):
Who I mean, agreement with you. So for instance, another
example you just give now about how zonus are going
to the local level in response to Zorn, we need
to be working at a freaking local level. We need
to be way out of a Yeah. So I'm saying
that the same.

Speaker 2 (01:24:19):
Like someone else said right here, voting takes five minutes,
do that and everything else.

Speaker 1 (01:24:22):
What I'm trying to express. What I'm trying to express
is that our continued.

Speaker 2 (01:24:30):
Involvement in upholding the establishment with our participation, continues to
give it breath. Our continued involvement in upholding capitalism in
the in the traditional way continues to give it breath.
So you see people who are talking about how do
we barter? Right, like, I'm trying to do things very

(01:24:51):
differently with how I run my merchantile right, because I'm
trying to undermine the systems. And what I'm saying to
y'all is I'm just floating the concept of how does
removal from an establishment cripple that establishment if you are
the thing that keeps it going.

Speaker 1 (01:25:13):
Okay, that's all I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. When
it comes when it comes to things like you know,
these establishments, you'll removal will not change the establishment because
it's not what we don't know. We've never tried it. No,
don't know that. Okay, So okay, it means that you
are saying different from what I'm saying. I'm saying, vote,
will vote totally different. Don't vote for these two many politicians.

(01:25:35):
You're saying, don't vote at all.

Speaker 2 (01:25:38):
Because at all I'm saying, I'm at where I'm at
a point, Shola, where I feel that we should not
be participating in their system.

Speaker 1 (01:25:49):
We should have our own system. That system. The only
way we can change.

Speaker 2 (01:25:55):
That systems are actually not governed by that system, because
we can't even control the way we're governed.

Speaker 1 (01:26:00):
At this point, we are like, no law, Amanda, this
is what but this is what we must do. Now,
we must change the way we are governed by. Like
example I gave you earlier starting with how we elect
our representatives.

Speaker 2 (01:26:14):
I don't believe that makes sense because we don't have
power over how we elect our representatives.

Speaker 1 (01:26:19):
You know, Okay, So if I don't vote, for instance,
let's let's say, for instance, let's use Zoran as an example. Yeah,
and people decided, you know what, it's not going to
make any difference anyway Cuomo would win or that other
guy would win, Then Zohn would never have won. Cuomo
would have won. There would be no way to change.
One person is person.

Speaker 2 (01:26:45):
I'm saying, like, if an entire populace is like, you
know what, fuck y'all election, and we're going Now, let
me say this, It's not just that, Like I want
to make that point too, Like I'm not saying just
not vote.

Speaker 1 (01:26:57):
What I'm saying is there's at and then and the
end then is how are we shifting how we are.

Speaker 2 (01:27:05):
Engaging with those other systems in the same way, right,
like the systems that those votes control.

Speaker 1 (01:27:12):
And this is not something that happens like in the
snap of a finger.

Speaker 2 (01:27:16):
But what all I'm suggesting is that the methodology of
voting as an efficable as an efic The methodology of
voting as an effective tool has yet to be proven
in a very in a in a long standing and
real way. Like ultimately Zorn's been elected, but we're still like,
h he kept Jessica tition position.

Speaker 1 (01:27:36):
He's don't he wants talking jeffries to be the Speaker
of the House.

Speaker 2 (01:27:40):
He he is rolling back his his support of like
the global intellect, the globalized, the indefata, et cetera.

Speaker 1 (01:27:49):
Like you have some chick on here who is.

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Like false Amanda, you know, because she's very passionate about
voting as a tool, And the reality is is that voting.

Speaker 1 (01:28:01):
As a tool is not It is a tool.

Speaker 2 (01:28:07):
I do not consider it to be an effective tool
at this point.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
This is why I'm saying that, Amanda, what we need
to do is find a way to use to use
voting as a much more effective tool. We need to
broaden party. No no, not just a third party, not
just a third party, but we need to widen our
breath of real quick.

Speaker 2 (01:28:33):
Hey, Amy, you got one more fucking comment before I
remove you from here, because I don't know who the
hell you think you're talking to.

Speaker 1 (01:28:39):
You got one more? What does she say? She says,
in here talking to me like have you door knocked?

Speaker 2 (01:28:45):
Do you not like the way that y'all be talking
to me like I'm your little friend. I don't know
who you think you're talking to. Orlando already removed her
because white women. That's other things. So like when the
white girls be talking to me crazy, I'd be like, get.

Speaker 1 (01:29:04):
Out of here. Okay, what were you saying? I think
that what we need to do is breadth, is to
widen our breath of Let me just use the world fighters. Okay,
there's gonna be something I can bring to the table
in this whole voting and how we use voting that
other people and other people can bring different things. What
we are missing, I think is that skill set, the

(01:29:26):
knowledge and the you know, a way to bring all
that harness, all that enabled to be able to in
order to be able to then change the establishment, change
how voting can be used to can tell me do this?
This have to be a call for that whyn't be cool,
look it it can be. It could doesn't have to
be military, whether you call it resistance, a cool whatever.

(01:29:49):
It is clear to me and to you that we
are at an existential point now that literally our lives, liberty,
and livelihoods are at risk. So if you want use
the word could resistance, I don't care. Something needs to change,
that needs to change. We're not I'm definitely not advocating
or endorsing for blood to shed. We don't need to

(01:30:10):
do that, I am. But what I'm endorsing advocating is
we need to know what we can all bring to
the table the same way Zionists are now going to infiltrate,
you know, at the local level. We need to start
working that local level. We need to understand. Listen, the
way Amanda you are aware of what they're doing is
where millions of people are not even aware. So how

(01:30:32):
can you start to fight your enemy when you don't
even understand or know what your enemy is? You can't. No,
you can't, That's right. I mean, that's why political education.

Speaker 2 (01:30:40):
That's why I do this show for free, you know, like,
that's literally why, that's why my book talks.

Speaker 1 (01:30:44):
Are for free.

Speaker 2 (01:30:45):
You know, if you can, if you can buy a
bug grade, If you can't, like, that's really why however,
and if you can, you're describing and that would educate
you too. And yes, what you're describing that was reform
and formal.

Speaker 1 (01:31:01):
I'm not into the reform. I have several to.

Speaker 2 (01:31:07):
You are because although you're saying you still want to
work within the system, you know I don't want the
guide out.

Speaker 1 (01:31:14):
I want to change the system. But I also understand
for me to change the system, sometimes I'm going to
need somebody's in the system who is like me, who's
ready to change something and they can't use their also
build other things outside the system. I'm going to do
it and I and I had this.

Speaker 2 (01:31:32):
I used to feel this way, but then I met
the people in the system, the ones who I thought
were like that, and at the end of the day,
and at the end of the day, it became toxic
positivity because I'm like, well, these people have not demonstrated
the revolutionary mindset because they're still having to do a
dance of power. You have to be willing to go

(01:31:53):
in and get kicked out like that, to me, is
the only real effort.

Speaker 1 (01:31:57):
But that's because progress takes time. So why it actually
doesn't take when I say it. When I say it
takes time, let me land sis let me land. When
I say it takes time, it's because I am not
looking for reform. I'm looking for revolution. When I say
it takes time, I'm talking about finding the people. The people. Yes,

(01:32:18):
we have to create the people need to create those things.
Those people, some of whom you do not know. Some
of them I don't know. Yes, somewhere in LA right now,
who is the perfect candidate, perfect candidate, But we don't
know each other. That is where time comes in and
the moment all of this bits click boomer. That's the way.

(01:32:38):
Let me ask you a question, what does your husband think?
He probably not even probably what he thinks generally is
my view, my thoughts. What you and I discuss now
sounds really good. But he's more of a realist, so
he would go or do you understand what you're facing?

(01:32:59):
And how long? Doubt it because the majority of people
out there are not only willfully ignorant, so so for.

Speaker 2 (01:33:05):
Instance that that that's a fact, they.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Willingly participate in their own demids because all they're looking
at is somebody else. They're point, they're blaming, blaming other
people for their problem. They are tools to maintain the
oppression that establishment, you know, imposes on us. My husband
is of the mind, he is his own is more
like you need to you need to pay attention to

(01:33:33):
what those people are doing, because you're not talking about voting.
Most people are probably more than you. They're probably more
of them who are willing to come out to vote,
willing to be weaponized as tools. While amongst us here
we're not even unified. Sometimes we're talking across purposes. We
can't even get our acts together so that we can

(01:33:55):
create a formidable force to create the revolution that we
want to see, so that we end up working in silos,
and when one of us gets crushed, there's not writing.
There's not writing from different podcast. Go let's get them
back up, Let's get the back of mush, go go down.
That's it. That is the problem. That's part of them,

(01:34:16):
because those on that side don't have that issue. They're
so unified in their hate and bigotry, in their want
of other people are the problem because the people on
top of them, their leeds, keep telling them or you see,
you see that plate of cookie, just won't cookie. He
wants to take it from you. One of persons telling
them that, like have a plate now, the houses full

(01:34:40):
of cookies, and they refuse to show so. To me,
this is part of the problem that those of us
on this side and say we must do something. You're
not gonna unify, and monsters like, well, you need to

(01:35:00):
be very careful your language. Revolution are you mad? What
else are you gonna call it? It is a freaking revolution.
While you're waiting your time. Police told me that people
who are dying from hunger, starvation, being discriminated against, they
need a revolution, not freaking reform, because reform it's not
going to save them. Reforming isn't going to change anything.

(01:35:23):
Let me stop there.

Speaker 2 (01:35:26):
So the last thing I'll say, because I have to go,
I have to go. Something that was very unique about
the Black Panthers and also similarly unique about like the
Zapatistas yep is they understood that they just needed to start.

(01:35:52):
They didn't need necessarily everybody. They needed to provide another option, right.

Speaker 1 (01:35:59):
And and so what I'm suggesting is that that other.

Speaker 2 (01:36:06):
Option has to be a completely other option, and that's
not a political party. The other option has to be
antithetical to the system that continues to oppress us. It
cannot be, it cannot utilize that system. Which is why
NGOs in the United States end up becoming so problematic

(01:36:28):
because in order for them to operate, they end up
having to use the actual system that creates the need
for them.

Speaker 1 (01:36:35):
Right, you suggested what what would be if it's not
if it's not a political party, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (01:36:41):
So like, for instance, the Black Panthers were they became
they were, they started to become possibly a political party,
but essentially they were the Black Panther Party for Freedom
and Revolution, and so they were literally a community organization.
Hamas also started the same way. By the way, they've
started as an organized that provided the community with what

(01:37:02):
it needed. And it was a very easy way to
identify what it needed because the government had not provided
any of those things. So, for instance, we just had
a brother on earlier for sixty second headlines who talked
about that he teaches in a school in Atlanta, and
majority of the kids in his class don't have hygiene
because they don't have parents that are able to care
for them the way they need to for whatever reason.

Speaker 1 (01:37:21):
Right, they are tired, They are.

Speaker 2 (01:37:24):
Often having to care for their children, for their younger siblings,
and they all suffer from asthma by nature of smoke
and having to breathe and smoke. And I could promise
you people that are smoking around them are people who
are suffering from stress and anxiety, and that's why they're smoking.
So you end up providing the necessities that people require

(01:37:44):
to be able to live in a comfortable way. The
United States government, I can't speak for the UK. The
United States government actively chooses not to require those things
because they want you to have to depend on the government, right,
they want that. As much as they try and say
that's not what they want, their actions demonstrate something else.
So what I'm saying is that we have organizations all

(01:38:08):
throughout the United States that do fill these gaps. Right. However,
there really has to become more formalized methods around this
that decidedly debunk or disassociate from the way these other
systems are running. And a lot of that is going
to have to happen in starting in small towns, because

(01:38:30):
in small towns, you know, it was fascinating. I was
at a baby shower the other day and I live
in a small town, and I was talking to some
of the people there. Girl, They're talking about the person
who controls the water system, like who fixes the water
tanks by first name, and they're like, oh yeah, and
he is also the head of the volunteer fire department.

Speaker 1 (01:38:48):
And it's also et cetera, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
So you already have these towns that are quote unquote incorporated.
So in the United States, towns are incorporated. They literally
have to be a bit business. They operate as a
business that pays taxes. So there's there's there's these things
in place, Doctor Shola mass that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:08):
Must showy mood. You have to say the food insists.
When did the when did the Shabami mood come into play?
I feel like you never used to have that. I
only knew you was Sholams. How are you kidding me?
That's my name?

Speaker 2 (01:39:22):
Okay, well I only knew you at Sholams. So doctor
Sholam Shabami Moon, thank you here are But what you ask,
basically what I'm illuminating is that first of all, we
have templates here in the United States just because black
people were forced to do this, right, So before we
were even allowed to be a part of the legislative process,
we had to have and we were segregated.

Speaker 1 (01:39:44):
We had literally created our own communities. Did they come
and shut us down?

Speaker 2 (01:39:47):
Yes, But you over time, like you said, in progress,
you also learn, right, So it's like, Okay, well we
didn't have a militarized element before, that's what we.

Speaker 1 (01:39:55):
Would need to have.

Speaker 2 (01:39:56):
Like, there's just all I'm stating is that there is
no version of harm reduction that's gonna happen that's gonna
change anything. So I want to make that clear. I
am very much about the fact that it's gonna need blood.
That's just the way things work.

Speaker 1 (01:40:09):
But I think what you just said, Amanda is you're
not coming close to what I would say when I
said of what we need is to build a coisive
more uh, you know, a way to harness all of
these our superpowers. We just don't recognize what these superpowers are.
That people with skill sets, people in the right position,

(01:40:29):
people people like you and I, some of whom are
probably watching and listening right now, but can't even we
are not identifying ourselves. We need to work in unity,
so across in the United States, in all of these
in different states, you start pulling together locally that then
you know statewide, and then nationally. The more you pull
all of these skill sets together, the more powerful you being.

(01:40:52):
How you can work how wealth are the zignists and
white supremacists able to function? It's not because it's not
because they all watch perfect people. It's because they're working
one accord for what They're unified on one thing and
one thing on, which is supremacy. We need to get
our act together on this side. So whether that's in

(01:41:12):
the United Kingdom and the United States, we need to
start working look gathering those people, like you said with
the Black Panther meeting. The nature of communities means that
you end up meeting people, educating, having conversations listed, and
hearing other people bring skill sets. People are already established
in different walks of life, and those are the same

(01:41:33):
people that you're going to need. I mean, let me
use on Mama. Yeah, but I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (01:41:37):
I'm just saying that I don't consider voting to be
I consider that needing to happen as a complete turning
their back to a system.

Speaker 1 (01:41:48):
And there has to be that, and it has to
happen system, Amanda, that system that becomes a viable alternative
that you want to discuss, that that you want to happen.
I think that in that progress to getting there, these
communities of people who will then start connecting the dots
must have to make that what's going must that to

(01:42:09):
hit the establishment until we've created that alternative system. Hit it. No,
no no. When we say hit it, and I mean
right now, I could vote for somebody and have no
power in what happens and who that person is or
how they will function. My point is the more there
are people like us, and we are growing people. So

(01:42:31):
there could be another zona, ma'm danny out there. I'm
only using him as an example, only as an example,
not because he's perfect, just as an example. Okay, there
could be another zona, ma'm danny out there, who does
not have the resource, who doesn't have the way to
go together.

Speaker 2 (01:42:46):
Let there be another zono, mamm Danny, is what I'm
trying to say. So they won't let there be.

Speaker 1 (01:42:51):
That is why we must fight that. And we have
more people like us in this establishment as we build
the alternative you're talking about, we need to have more
people like us. People like us don't go into establishment.

Speaker 2 (01:43:05):
I don't have any business in establishment because I'm ineffective
in an establishment.

Speaker 1 (01:43:09):
But the establishment is what governs the food on your table,
the clothes in your back, on the roof of It
doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be. It
does Why it does it is because it does it,
but it does so for instance, No, that's because we
keep empowering it.

Speaker 2 (01:43:24):
And I don't want us to keep empowering empowering it
because right now, as an example for the next I
mean once your next general election twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (01:43:31):
Eight or something. Right, well, we have mid terms next year, Okay,
you have me terms as all go to change your president. Also,
president is the least important part of all of this,
I understand. My point is this, whether until you have
your mid terms, until you have your next general election,
we are governed by the establishment, as is correct, So
we need to start building. Just like designersts are going

(01:43:54):
to the local level and trying to recruit mayors and
all of that, we need to start recruiting the mayors
and people are representative from council level to any other level.
That's what we need to be doing because until this
whole I don't agree.

Speaker 2 (01:44:08):
I don't agree with you, because designers control the system.
So you're trying to get you're trying to you're trying
to put people into a system that is controlled by.

Speaker 1 (01:44:17):
A bigger force.

Speaker 2 (01:44:18):
So the only way to dismantle that system is to
find its weakness and to also not keep giving it fuel.

Speaker 1 (01:44:25):
And that's the way. So we're gonna agree to disagree
when when we're going to agree to disagree. Because when
you find a weakness, when you do find a weakness
in the establishment, you need people who are brave enough
while you're still trying to bring this alternative thing, who
are going to shed the lights, who are going to
strike the match that will set fire. It doesn't matter

(01:44:45):
if it's a tiny fire, it doesn't matter if it's
a small pebble or small stone. The deity that comes
throw that into into the head forehead of the goliath.
You still need them until this system you're talking about
comes to pass. You still want to see that word? Sorry,
have you ever seen that work? I have not. Every
time there's been a start of something. Look at Africa

(01:45:08):
as a continent, America goes in and kills them. And
one of the reasons America has been successful in toppling
foreign governments and you know, Invaity and this stuff is
because half the time the Africans there don't even understand
what is happening exactly, and then they weaponize other Africans

(01:45:29):
there who are only interested in their self interest to
kill the Patrick Lumumba and other people. This is how
we change things by educating each other, by stating not
just information gathering, people gathering, come here, you need to
be educated. This is what they've done to your people.
This is what they're doing to us. We need to change.

Speaker 2 (01:45:50):
We need to start doing that effectively. That's what I'm
saying education. But that's what we do here on this show.
We have to build a populace that actually looks at
the establishment until unless there is unless there is an
establishment that actually gives a damn about the populace.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
You have to build a populace that actually gives a damn.

Speaker 2 (01:46:08):
About the populace. And we do not have that here
in the United States. Our populace treats the government like
celebrity saviors. And so I see people in the chat
who are like, well, this is you know where we
are right now. So we just have to deal with
where we are right now. That is what has been
being said forever. We just have to deal with whatever
we are now. Words quite honestly, a very self centered mindset.

(01:46:32):
And the truth is is that a lot of y'all
are not gonna die for shit.

Speaker 1 (01:46:35):
So when when when? And when Shola, when doctor Sla.

Speaker 2 (01:46:39):
Big mamou Is Babimo is saying, you know, we need
people with a light, I'm gonna tell you I disagree.
I think it's that you need people with a light
and who are willing to go out for this. And
it's the same thing whether it's death or whether it's
career or death. If we had a if we had

(01:47:00):
people willing to go into government and turn up and
get kicked out, this would have been not a problem.
The problem is that we get people like Jasmin Kraft
is a great example, who go in, they have a
spark about them, they have a desire to really shake
shit up. But then they get enamored with access, they
get enamored with being that girl, they get enamored with

(01:47:21):
the with the thought process that maybe I can change things,
and so their mission shifts and they become a part
of the establishment versus as just the wrench thrown in
to mess it up.

Speaker 1 (01:47:32):
And until we have people willing to.

Speaker 2 (01:47:35):
Not only do that, but a community to catch them
when they come out and know that they don't have
to still be a part of the because that's the
other part if the community outside, it's still tethered to
that establishment. Then then when that person falls out, they're
still not able to find their way. This is what
happens with prison. People go into prison. They should be
able to do their time and come back to society

(01:47:56):
and live.

Speaker 1 (01:47:56):
They can't. Society has completely walls up not able to
help them.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
So all I'm suggesting is that we have to take
a very pragmatic look at what destabilizing really is and
understanding that it is going to destabilize not only the
system but us for a time. And that destabilization is
what gets people saying, well, let's just still do this

(01:48:24):
little part because it feels crazy to change a methodology
that has been ingrained in us.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
And with that, please tell people about the book. All right,
give med my book. This is why I resist, Yes, yes, yes,
So this is why I resist. Is my conversation about
the real issues we face, about the way our identity
as black people is constantly malign marginalized, commoditized, and criminalized.

(01:48:54):
This is me saying I could not give a rap sauce.
This is me saying, every single time you bring this
to me, this is what I'm going to do to you.
This is me saying, like I will stand in the
roots to you know, to the root of my gore.
In fact, at the beginning, if I may just read
something quickly that that I felt, I kind of like,

(01:49:16):
I felt like this kind of encapsulates where where I
am and here I go. I stand on the shoulders
of greatness as my ancestors before me. I will not
be silenced. I will not be silent. If you come
for me, I will come for you. This is why
I resist. That's I mean. It pretty much sums up
my where I am at in the way that I

(01:49:39):
view and I've observed, and I intend to fight what
is clearly a concerted effort to continually, you know, destroy
black people and the way that our identity is weaponized
against us. I don't have time for that, BS. I
want to be able to say, you know, you know,
earlier I talked about what it is to be black
in Britain, and I want to be able to say

(01:50:02):
I am this. I am African from the roots of
my hair to the soles of my feet. People don't
get it wrong, and yes I'm British, but don't tell
me how I should be British, same way nobody should
tell you how you should be American and were native
how American and you know wherever else you you know
your heritage is. Then it's all I'm sick and tired

(01:50:26):
of the women that we are constantly, constantly addressed. And
that's what this book does. It touches on political activism.
It touches definitely on our identity as as women, and
especially when you think about how feminism. You know, feminism
is often weaponized against us when you include us. Right,

(01:50:48):
So I talk all this and using personal anecdotes as well,
I'm just saying list said, people, you come from me,
I will come for you. I don't have time, I
do not come to me. I'm ready for the fight,
and you hear it in my voice. I am ready
for the part because I've seen too many people be
persecuted just because they're different, and I'm not going to.

Speaker 2 (01:51:09):
Have it all right, y'all, that's another book club book.
They started a whole book club. Didn't even tell me,
thank you Sheila so much for joining us, and probably
all got a whole treat right there, because that was
a solid two hours.

Speaker 1 (01:51:26):
Oh my god, god, we were having a party. We're
having fun. We agreed, we disagreed, it's all good. Thank
you for having me in Amandoland. Yes, that was a
treat y'all. That was a treat not banion.

Speaker 2 (01:52:10):
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