The People Won [EP 88]

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
I mean topical a NEWPI. You're a dependent.

Speaker 2 (00:10):
Percent of this.

Speaker 1 (00:11):
And you know, it hit me this morning that I've

(01:29):
been thinking about this book tour all wrong because I'm
not going on a book tour. I'm going on a mission.
When you understand and you realize how propagandised we are
as a nation, and that that's not some made up shit,
that is some actualized billion dollar effort that's been going

(01:52):
on since the end of World War two, you understand
that they have identified individuals who are focused on waking
people up and taking them out, because when the people
wake up, they will not allow for what's been done
in their name to continue and for what's been done

(02:14):
to them to continue. You realize that you're not You're
not going on tour, You're going on a mission. I've
been so unsettled this morning, and I think it's because
I'm waking up to well, first of all, it's the

(02:38):
second of the month. But you know, fall is when
we release, we let go that which is no longer
bringing in nutrients. We we alleviate ourselves of that which
is encumbering us because we know we have to hunker

(03:01):
down for that which is coming, and we know as
Ned Stark has always told us, winter is coming, and
I'm heading out on this book tour with a book
that is not about pop culture. It's not about relationships,
it's not about it's not about any frivolities that I've

(03:26):
engaged myself in in the past. What would the ancestors
say is literally about what would our ancestors say about
where we are? What type of ancestors are we trying
to be for the future. And that is not a
small concept, that's not a it's not even a linear concept.

(03:47):
And so I'm over here trying to wrap my head
around going out on this road to you know, share
this work with you and bring these books to you.
And I'm realizing that the reason why I feel like
I'm so kind of like unsettled about it is because
I'm not going out in the same way that I
have gone out before as a comic on tour or

(04:07):
doing smart, funny and black on tour. This is a
mission to awaken, to empower, to educate, not just for
the sake of it, but for literally our lives. See
you there. Go to amandasales dot com for cities and dates.

Speaker 2 (04:29):
What up, y'all?

Speaker 1 (04:35):
Good morning, welcome to views form amandaland your news and
truths by any joke necessary. Thank you for waking up
on the right side of history. If you came here
to talk about Zoah, Mom, Donnie, you in the wrong place.

(04:58):
You in the wrong place. You in the wrong place,
and let me tell you why.

Speaker 3 (05:12):
Because I'm not a hater.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
You know, I'm not a hater. I know that this is,
you know, something for people or whatever, and in a
time where there ain't much for people, Hey man, do
all of that. But people want things from me that
are not even aligned with my personality, so you know,

(05:37):
and I'm not gonna do that. I don't get excited
about a lot. I get excited about kittens and trips.
I get excited about dogs. Okay, that's the type of
stuff I get excited about. I don't get excited about politics.

(05:59):
I get inspired, I get driven, I get disenchanted. I
get energy. Wait the live stream in the book, those
are still available? Me me, Yeah, that's that's those are

(06:23):
completely available. So I feel like, y'all, do you know,
do your dance? Be excited? All the things I actually
said to myself today, I'm gonna give myself a break.

(06:53):
So while everybody is busy talking politics.

Speaker 4 (06:57):
I'm not.

Speaker 1 (07:04):
I'm not, Uh you know, I'm not. I'm not going
to talk about politics because we talk about it all
the gosh darn time. And Angelica, you sent me stuff
while I was on the phone with somebody, and I

(07:25):
didn't get to look at it, but I knew it
was deep because it was highlighted text from a book.
So I was like, Oh, Angelica's up and at them
this morning. Why why would you even ask me this?

(07:47):
So here's the thing that I want to just reiterate
for the eleven billionth time on this Internet. You're in
a chat with no picture and a fake name asking

(08:08):
me to change my venue for my book event for
no reason, no reason. I can't understand stuff like that.

(08:37):
And this is it right here, people watch. There's differs
from being direct and being over like over overstepping transgression,
just habitual linesteppers. No, I'm not changing the goddamn event space.
What can you That was wild? I just had to

(08:58):
show you all that because I could have let that go. Oh,
but I was like, nah, I gotta come. Going on
this book tour. The zios are out and in full
of fact, trying to shut me down. I will not
let them Dietra math funny, Dietrich said, and can you

(09:21):
pick up a gatorade on the way? Bus Boys is
controversial in the DC area. What isn't ma'am? You know
what bus boys is for me? Free bus boys is controversial.
Everything is controversial. I was at buzz Boys and there
was a bunch of black people in there, and there

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was a bunch of propala sitting and people in there,
and a bunch of books. So I just I want you.
And by the way, this is the same thing that
y'all say about politicians. You'll be like, I mean, no
politician is perfect, just like Yes, Memphis got canceled after

(10:08):
a year of going back, after a year talking to
the Memphis Library and then consistently saying we want you back,
we want you back, we want you back, we want
you back, we want you back. They at the last
minute got on some you know, just trying to Things
just started becoming far more difficult than they need to be.
And I am in flow. So when things become strained

(10:30):
and difficult in a way that is nonsensical, I let
it go. Let it go, I let it go, I
let it go. I also know that I'm on a mission,
and I think it's fascinating that people hold the people

(10:54):
that hold politicians accountable to a higher standard than politicians
who actually have the power to affect your life with legislation,
with who they take money from, etc. I find it
fascinating that I woke up this morning to people like
all up in alive that I did during the day yesterday,

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and I think a lot of it is bots, but
they were basically like mad that I said, Mom, Donnie
may win. However, what are you gonna do differently? And

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so we're gonna get into that after we talked to
our guest today, Jesse Mechanic. Jesse Mechanic is a high
quality white and he has a book called The Last
Time We Spoke. It is Beautiful, Okay, and he did

(12:02):
the drawings and it is really just it's it's like
a literal beautiful book. Okay. So I'm excited to talk
to Jesse, who was also a beautiful person. So we're
gonna talk to just Mechanic at ten thirty. And I

(12:25):
just want to remind you all though, that like you,
you listen to me because I'm different. That's why I That's.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
What my.

Speaker 1 (12:35):
I mean, I feel like I'm having an existential crisis lately.
But I just feel like I am different. I'm not
interested in the same things people are for the same reasons.
I am not linear thinking in the same way that
other people are. I'm a consummate creative. I'm an artist.

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I literally have a completely different grid as my main
frame than many other people, and so it really becomes
sometimes frustrating because you're like in your grid in the

(13:20):
midst of kind of just bit regularness. Okay, so microwave
is in Gatorade. That makes sense. I'm taking the astrology
class and that really be a real thing. So I'm

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excited to come out on the road and see y'all.
I am really appreciative of folks showing up, even if
they don't even buy a book, just come and show love.
I'll be in San Diego tomorrow. I'll be in Los Angeles,
then Seattle, Detroit, Chicago. So here's some details. I'll be

(14:02):
in San Diego, San Diago tomorrow at the Chrysalis Monarch
Center for the Arts. It's going down at six thirty pm.
Come on out. I don't know why that looks like
that for Seattle, but I will be in Seattle. This
is all on my Instagram as well, and if you

(14:22):
sign up for the newsletter, you'll be getting this in
the newsletter as well. I will be in Chicago at
Burst into Books. Now this is a small space, so
we did it differently where you do actually have to
buy a book to be in the space. And then
I will be in Detroit on Tuesday. Oh those are
out of order. I'll be in Detroit on the eleventh.

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So I'll be in Chicago on the telf and Detroit
on the eleventh. And I would love for you all
to share these with your with your peoples, your audiences,
et cetera, et cetera. You can go on my Instagram
and literally screenshot it and post it. That would really
mean a lot to me. I would really appreciate that.
And the book drops on the eighth, so I will

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be doing the live stream. The live stream is still
available for you to get tickets too, And there's two
versions of tickets, so you can get tickets either to
the live stream by itself, or you can get tickets
to the live stream with a signed book in the bundle. So, uh,

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that's all happening. And what else I mean I think
it's really just right now for me, a really important
time to be to stay focused and not get wrapped up.
This is a very wrapped up time. It's getting very
willy nilly, it's getting very extra. I don't know who

(15:54):
Sid is, but apparently Sid is a hater. Sid said,
you're different in a simple way, but you're missing the inspiration.
It feels like hate and disgust when you speak. That's funny.

(16:17):
It feels like hate and disgust. Y'all, Oh man, that's
a lot. It feels like hate and disgusted. Truth be
feeling like that. That's why they say the truth. Thirds
you know. It's like, if you're not on the bandwagon,

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people are like they will try to pull you. They
want okay, if you're not on the bandwagon, they will
run you over with the bandwagon. And they tell you
exactly how you need to be on the bandwagon. They
tell you exactly what you need to be doing on
the bandwagon. It's like are we in a parade? They
just want you all up and I'm like, I'm not
that girl. I'm not that girl. You know. There was

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a conversation. There was a video that came out recently
and then a study that also come aligns with it.
The time is cyclical, so the concept of the future
is really just imaginative, which is what it's supposed to be.
But at the end of the day, like time as
it exists, is really only in the now and what's
already happened, right, So when people are excited about something

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that hasn't even happened based on nothing that's happened before,
it's weird to me. That's a weird concept to me.
I can understand being hopeful, I can understand being curious,
I can understand being interested. But for me personally, as
Amanda seals, I don't experience excitement about things that I

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have far more examples of being problematic than dope. Okay,
and as Kis mac Jay said, she don't even light wagons.
So on the subject of politicians, I don't have a
stored credit of reasons to be excited about politicians. I

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have a stored credit of reasons to be excited about kittens.
Kittens are awesome all the time, Hence why I get
excited about kids. Okay? AnyWho, let's do our roll call

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and then we're going to talk to jessin Mechanni and
uh oh this this is a video, look at that
and uh yeah, And We're gonna end a little early
today because I got things to do and our our

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which is get on the after show and hang out
and talk and learn about all the things. So remember
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(19:24):
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happen shortly. Thing psychic is really irritating sometimes. Alright, hey

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do do do.

Speaker 3 (19:58):
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Speaker 1 (21:45):
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Speaker 6 (21:47):
Las Islas.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Have we ever had the Canary Islands before?

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Speaker 7 (22:00):
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I'm in the Landers here to learn. Thank you for
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Speaker 4 (22:07):
Run?

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Ah?

Speaker 1 (22:12):
Have we had the.

Speaker 6 (22:13):
Canary Islands before?

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I think we have because I feel like I had
to look for them, right. I feel like I had
to look for the Canary Islands because I shouldn't know
where they are and I don't. I don't know where
they are. I don't know Rolando. I feel like, what
was this over here? Is this Guam? Where the Canary? I?
Oh my god, I done dropped the pin? Where's where's

(22:39):
the Canary Islands? M hmm? Are anybody to cook Islands?

Speaker 2 (22:53):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (22:53):
They're next to Morocco. Shit, I'm not even close. Okay,
hold on, okay, we have had the Canary Islands before? Yes,
look at that pen right there. So shout out to
our worldwide Amanda Landers. I appreciate y'all. Let's get into
our word of the day.

Speaker 6 (23:17):
Ya ya yay.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
The word of the day is presuscitate resuscitate. Okay, resuscitate
are U s us c I t a t e resuscitate.

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It's a verb meaning to revive and bring back, resuscitate
I know a lot of people feel like this win
in New York will resuscitate the energies of the populace.
Let's get some sentences here. Resuscitate R E S U

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S C I T A T E. It is a verb.
Let's jump it off with Miss Angela Cross. We will
not be able to resuscitate the Cheney. What is correct?
Sarah Tibbitt says we need we need to resuscitate our government.
I disagree. I think we need to just let it go.

Speaker 2 (24:23):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (24:23):
The lesser Miss Seals has no interest to resuscitate this
democracy because it was never alive.

Speaker 3 (24:31):
It was never a democracy.

Speaker 1 (24:34):
Respicy Pickle, I hate pickles, but I'm sure you're cool.
Trump needs to resuscitate the government. It died ever since
he entered. Oh baby, the government died long before Trump entered. Honay,
that's how he got there, Emma said, mom. Donnie winning
to resuscitate the socialist movement. I think that is a
very bold statement to make, considering he is not a socialist.

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He is a democratic, so which means he's still a democrat. Okay, Rieschla,
I'm so over the nursing team who keeps resuscitating Trump.
After all, these, y'all. This was a rough word for y'all.
There we go, Liby. Will we resuscitate literacy?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
Can we do that?

Speaker 1 (25:24):
Can we recessitate liberty? Listen? I just want things to be.
I just want to call things what there are, what
they are. I am a linguist, so words matter to me.
I just want to call things what they are. It
really matters. It matters. That's why everyone be like, are
we like girlfriend and boyfriend? Or because labels do be
meaning something. Sometimes they are deeply problematic, but sometimes they

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are very important clarifiers. All right, Uh, are you all
ready for us to get into This would normally be
our sixty second headline segment, but we actually are not
doing sixty second headlines today because I don't feel like
talking about politics at nauseum and being amongst those who
are I just.

Speaker 7 (26:07):
I'm so.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
We're gonna have two leveliss of guests today. Boom a man,
we are we are.

Speaker 7 (26:29):
You?

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Shirt?

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Oh? Thank you? Thank you so much? How are you?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I'm well? How are you doing?

Speaker 2 (26:37):
I'm good?

Speaker 1 (26:40):
Say more?

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Didn't you hear the Democrats once? So we're all saved?

Speaker 6 (26:46):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (26:47):
Yeah, everything's good, We're good.

Speaker 1 (26:51):
Didn't you hear that I'm a hater for not thinking that. Yeah,
someone saying I am a hater, and I someone says
a while shit earlier you were on, but I don't
know if you were listening.

Speaker 2 (27:03):
You know, listen, Jesse, you know we can be I'm happy. Yeah,
of course it's better than of course.

Speaker 1 (27:15):
You know, so we acknowledge that, But I don't like
it's not driving me today, right right right, Yeah, this
med pat with the MTA logo Pete new York just real.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Yeah, I know, it really is.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
It's peak new York. These are the moments that I
appreciate when I'm like, I don't know about you, but
I take a special I feel like at just a
special level of appreciation for myself that I know New York.
Like when I can give people directions, I feel like
you're special. Like knowing this city means something.

Speaker 2 (27:54):
Yeah, it really does. It's funny. Even though New York
I hate so much of what parts of it have become,
it's still New York, like you. Still it's so big
and awesome and weird and also infuriating and crazy correct
and like a fucking capitalist Disneyland in half of it.

(28:18):
But then it's also I don't know. I still love it.
I'll always love it. I mean I lived there for
a long time. Now I live a bit north of there,
but and I totally agree with like the subways, that's
a that's a point of pride for sure.

Speaker 6 (28:32):
Yeah it is.

Speaker 1 (28:35):
This is a point of pride. Yeup, start to take
us there. Because when I opened it, I mean I
just assumed it was gonna be like essays or you know,
because you be talking and you'd be making sense, and
you're smart and you have you know, courage and you

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have character. So I just was expecting, you know, like
the thoughts of Jesse Mechanic in the Times, and you
were like, gotcha, bitch. It's actually all illustrations, which explains
this shirt because only an artsy dude.

Speaker 6 (29:21):
I do.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
It's so funny. I saw this, so I'll tell you
the story. My wife would be laughing so hard that
you brought up the shirt. So I was obsessed with
the shirt. This little boutique in Beacon right near where
I live, had it like in the window, and it's
like a handmade thing, you know, It's like where are they?
I forgot and I wanted it, and I would never

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go in because I'm like, it's probably expensive and I'm
not going to be able to afford. But it wasn't
that expensive and it's like my favorite piece of clothing.
I went in and bought it and I tried to
take very good care of it because I was I'm.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
So glad that I could see that it.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
Does.

Speaker 1 (30:04):
And that's the same as this book, Like I was
so like, I immediately was like, am I not? Because
so my book is coming out on Sunday on What's
what is time?

Speaker 2 (30:25):
A flat circle?

Speaker 1 (30:27):
What is time? So my book is coming out on Saturday.
And I did illustrations in it as well, And I
feel like that's part like when you do the type
of commentary that folks that you and I do, like
that becomes like very background noise for folks because we're
on a vision, we're on a video medium, you know,

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but we don't really necessarily lean into that. And so
before we even get into the actual content of this book,
can you just tell me what made you say this
is the way, this is the direction I want to go.
I wanted to be visual art.

Speaker 6 (31:04):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
I had written several different iterations of the story. You know,
the story is it's about grief, and loss. But it's
basically my story of when my mom got sick and
died when I was a kid, and I had written
it because you know, I mostly worked as a journalist.
I'm not a professional illustrator, but I got but I

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got to a point in the writing where I loved
where it was, but I knew I had like another
level that I wanted to get to to fully express
what these feelings felt like. I knew that it was
that I hit a limit with the pros, and I

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knew that if it had illustrations, it could reach another level.
And I met with some artists and they were incredible.
But what I realized pretty soon after meeting with them
is that all of these images were like locked and
fully detailed in my head, and there's no way that
I could describe it to them adequately enough where they

(32:10):
could do the drawings. So since I had always grown
up drawing and loved drawing, but like you know, a
lot of times we get older and we kind of
stopped drawing. If you're not doing it. Kids draw all
the time, but for some reason, a lot of adults stop,
you know, creating visual art in that way. So I
was like, well, you know what, I used to be
good at drawing. Let me try to do these illustrations.

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And then as soon as I started to try, they
all just came pouring out. It was it was a crazy,
like artistic flow experience where I was like, oh, all
of these images were sitting in my head just waiting
for me to start drawing them. I mean, I had
a draft of like one hundred and forty illustrations in
like a month or something. It was insane, it was,

(32:58):
it was wild.

Speaker 1 (33:00):
I cannot express to you how dope this is. I
don't even maybe I have to draw a picture because
there's something really special about using art to get points
across in this format, right, because it's kind of like

(33:25):
graphic novelish in a way. But like I don't have
to read the words, and I'm moved.

Speaker 2 (33:37):
Good, Yeah you feel me?

Speaker 1 (33:39):
Like so I had texted Jessee yesterday and was like,
I'm going to dive into this, but because I need
to read the words and I read really slow. However,
I didn't even need to read the words to understand
and which I which I, which I'm getting is the purpose?
Like that's what made you say I got.

Speaker 2 (33:57):
To do the drawings totally. And it's funny because after
I did the drawings, I then went through and cut
out a lot of words, Yeah, because I was like,
this is redundant. Now, let's just really try to get
it down to the bare bones. Yeah, like even stuff.

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Like this image right here. You know, like I don't
even know what you're talking about yet, but but I
look at this and feel some type of way.

Speaker 2 (34:29):
Yeah, it's funny you say that because some of them,
some of the pages, I didn't have an idea.

Speaker 6 (34:36):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
It's not like I did little footnotes on what all
the illustrations would be. Hey, I love that sequest. But
then sometimes I'd get to the page and then just say,
you know, this kind of abstract visual representation is to
me what it feels like, and then just draw that
and it just kind of worked out.

Speaker 1 (34:59):
How long was this in the works?

Speaker 2 (35:02):
It was in the works. So if we're talking from
like the first time that I did a draft without
the illustrations, it's probably like six or seven years since
I did the illustrations, probably two years or so. You know,
it's what it was. The publishing industry, I know, like
you've published through a traditional publisher, now this one you're

(35:23):
doing yourself.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Right, Yeah, because I'm just over it. I'm also in general.
You should know that I'm just over everything.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh, I get it. Yeah, So it was. I pitched
this around to agents and publishers a few years ago.
Some people really liked it, but nobody but they were like, well,
the you know, they just care if they're going to
make money off of it. Yeah, so they're like, well,
I don't know. The length might be tough to market
because it's not really that long, but it's not.

Speaker 1 (35:53):
So that's why I ended up buying my book back.
That was one of the main reasons because I had
signed a contract for a seventy five thousand word book,
but I wrote one hundred and fifty thousand words and
they were like, yeah, you need to cut seventy five
thousand of the words in four days.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
That's crazy. Half and then my.

Speaker 1 (36:16):
Editor's edits, So then I'm like scrambling, and I'm looking
for my editors edits to like apply, and then and
then I'm looking at her edits and it's like, oh,
you're a Zionist and you don't like me.

Speaker 2 (36:28):
That's a double lidy totally, And it's funny you say
that because when I pitched this book and another book
that I have coming out in January.

Speaker 1 (36:40):
I better have multiple books coming out.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Yeah, the other one you'll like to hear. I just
got a copy of it. It's called Don't Be a
Fucking Marshmallow and Illustrated Guide to Revolution, and it's coming
out by Interlink Press, which is the Palestinian Yeah, so
that was cool. But I sailed that to say, both
of those books were rejected, this one and that one
by a whole bunch of people. And there were but

(37:06):
there were a few that were interested, and it seemed
like it was going somewhere. And then it seemed like
once they dove into my journalism and saw how I
covered specific topics, namely Palestine, it was like radio silence
after that. Now I never got I don't know for sure.
Of course, you know, no one was like, well it

(37:27):
was because of this, because you know this was in
twenty twenty one when I pitched you, so actually, yeah,
so I had illustrations back then. So I'm with COVID
my like, oh yeah, time section of years is so fucked.

Speaker 1 (37:39):
It's someone said to me they saw me do stand
up last year, and I was like, okay, and then
I was like, oh wait, I did do stand up
last year less.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
I know it's insane, but what's interesting is then you know,
October seventh happened. I was writing about it and speaking
out about it again, and then my wife randomly was like, Hey,
now you have this like Instagram following, why don't you
just see if like any independent publishers follow you or
any agents, just put it out there with these books. Again,

(38:09):
I did, and then it was like a whole bunch
wanted I had to like decide for each book who
and they were all cool, like radical, interesting indie publishers
that I actually wanted to work with. They were not
big corporate publishers. They believed in the books. So anyway,
I say all that to say, you know, sometimes it's

(38:31):
good to stick to your guns, because I think both
of these books are way better where they ended up
than where they might have if you know, a big
publisher took it on in twenty twenty one or whatever.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
What do you like about working with a publisher?

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Well, uh, these are both very small publishers. The Street
Noise books put out the last time we spoke, the
book that you have, and they are just a small
independent mostly graphic novel, almost entirely graphic novel publisher based

(39:08):
in Brooklyn, and I liked working with her. Liz is
the owner, and I had a great editor, Jisu Kim,
because they I just loved when I met with them.
They really believed in it, They loved it, they got
similar to how you're saying, they just really it resonated
with them. And then they had some great ideas on

(39:29):
how to improve it right and they were ones that
I totally agreed with.

Speaker 1 (39:34):
Can you remember any of them?

Speaker 6 (39:36):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (39:37):
Well, one was that they wanted the earlier draft. I
feel like I was still holding back a little bit
on like personal struggles, not diving in into the mental
health struggles quite as much, and not telling the audience
like how it felt in certain things. I would just

(39:59):
kind of say what, Yes, the editor was great where
they would be like, but tell us, like what you
were feeling? Do you remember? And that really helped and
I really think they made the book better for you, guys,
bring all who.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Are listening like that is the only purpose of an
editor in my mind, The only purpose of an editor
is for them to make you tap into parts of
your greatness. You know, your artistry, your brain, your experience
that you may be hiding from or you may not
think anyone cares about, right, because that's how that's a

(40:36):
lot of the times. The thing too, you're like, oh,
I didn't know anyone would want to know.

Speaker 2 (40:39):
That, and exactly I know. Yeah, I think I initially
wanted it to be like, well, this is about grief,
and they were like, yeah, it is. It's about you
going through it. I think I wanted to like de
center myself a little bit, but they're like, it's about you.
You know, t you as a kid and what it
felt like. So yeah, know, a great editor can help tremendously,

(41:02):
but a bad one.

Speaker 1 (41:04):
So I experienced a great editor and a bad editor
in the same editor. Oh wow. So when I did
my first book, Small Doses, where I have a lot
of illustrations, she was magnificent, to be honest, like she
was really dope because she helped me as a first
time writer of like such a long project. She helped

(41:29):
me to like you're talking about, like trim the fat,
but then like know when to like add more and
then also like with the process of how cause the
other thing a lot of folks don't know about is
the process of book publishing is very willy nilly, like.

Speaker 2 (41:43):
It's it's crazy.

Speaker 1 (41:45):
It's crazy. Like sometimes they're like when you need it
in six weeks. Sometimes they're like, okay, so it'll be
two years. Yeah, you know, like the And depending on
where you're publishing, these timelines are different. A smaller place
has the ability to do things faster. A bigger place
you're fitting into like their marketing vision of so like
I was on Abrams, which is a smaller place for

(42:09):
small doses, and then I and then my editor went
to Simon and Schuster and so she was like, you know,
I want you to come over here. And so I
pitched a couple of books, but I never if I'm
being real, I wasn't really into them. I was just
like whatever. And then I was like, no, it's memoir time.
I'll I'll write a midlife memoir. And it was interesting

(42:30):
to see how her editing had shifted. She made me
a better writer in small doses one thousand percent. She
made me a better writer. She helped me. I'm the
opposite where you were like not explaining. I was over explaining.
It was like, what are you saying? And then in

(42:50):
this book, though, and this is I'm giving this advice
to people because I know a lot of people want
to make things and they are not sure who to
listen to.

Speaker 6 (42:58):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
I feel like if you have somebody who was questioning.

Speaker 3 (43:03):
Question my.

Speaker 1 (43:07):
Artistic choices. I don't know if question is the right word,
but like, I like being asked with curiosity, like why
are we doing this right? Because then you get the
opportunity to explain, and it's not being asked in like doubt.
It's being asked in curiosity as like a partnership versus
this editor literally started questioning my life choices.

Speaker 6 (43:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (43:31):
Really.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
One of the notes was it feels like you're blaming
your eggs.

Speaker 2 (43:36):
Okay, I am yeah, I mean I guess, you know,
it depends on what the book is and if the
editor is a good fit for that.

Speaker 1 (43:45):
It depends.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
I think people change that too. That's definitely about how.

Speaker 1 (43:50):
Much the world has shifted from twenty eighteen when I
started Small Doses to now.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
It's like almost on fathomable to think about how much
it's changed. It's really wild. How much.

Speaker 1 (44:07):
Have you lost friendships? Have you lost connections to family?
In that time?

Speaker 2 (44:12):
Sure? Yeah, I mean I've looked I mean, my god,
because you're Jewish. Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean, well that's
an interesting like I haven't I'm sure that there are
people who I'm like a lot of people who I

(44:34):
was peripherally acquainted with, who like want nothing to do
with me anymore. But honestly, I've been very lucky in
that most of the people close to me, they might
not completely agree with everything, but they're not. I don't
have anyone who's like extremely on the other side by

(44:56):
any significant degree. I have a few people that were
more or and are not anymore, which is fascinating too.
And that's been it's been a tough thing for me
to have patience with some people. But you know, I've
been doing this like work for a while in many

(45:16):
different areas, and like, if you want to build movements
and get people behind stuff, you do have to try
to bring people in and have a little patience. But
it's it's easier said than done sometimes. But oh no,
I get that, and I mean, yeah, I am too.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
And by the way, I just noticed that the underside
of the collar is pink.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah it's cool. Yeah, yeah, I don't know. It's uh,
it's tough, you know, you try to especially when people
are making a genuine effort with stuff, you try to
be patient. I don't know, but there's definitely been you know,

(46:06):
like if we're talking in terms of like Palestine, the
people who were just like, ohky, like when the starvation
started to get extreme, they were like, all right, enough
is enough, and then they flipped the switch. I was like, Okay,
this is good, but also like they were blowing up
tens of thousands of children and you just like didn't

(46:27):
care at all about that. It's just And one thing
that annoyed me is the people who clearly didn't like
it and wanted to speak out but were too cowardly,
because I could tell from some people that they were
like specifically being silent until it kind of reached a point, yeah,

(46:47):
when more mainstream people were and then they were like, okay,
now it's safe. And that that annoyed me, even though
I should be like, well, it's good, and so I
think you can do both. I think you can do both.
You can do both.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
You don't do both because you're right, they're real genuine feelings,
like and you know, we're humans, we're complex. I can
be like glad you got here, but also different route.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, And it's also like next time where there's something
else like this exactly, you don't take the brave choice.
Don't just yeah, don't be sitting there like oh, I
don't know, and then listen, I understand, Like I'm not
even talking about you know. I do think some people
have gotten into the habit of they they view like

(47:36):
all activism through social.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
Media, go ahead, keep going, keep going, like they're like.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Oh, well, this person didn't speak out on this thing,
And I'm like, well, that person doesn't really post online.
But I've seen them like at protests and organizing mutual aids,
so like maybe we shouldn't just be like, well, this
person didn't post on Instagram, so they're not part of
the movement. Like there's a real movement getting the internet too,

(48:04):
and some people who are like the most vocal on
Instagram or wherever haven't done anything outside of that. Now
it's like it's cool, like I would I wish more
people would speak up, of course, and social media is important,
but also I just see some people like their whole
thing is just calling people out because they didn't speak out,
And I'm like, you do you don't know this person,

(48:27):
You're just judging their online things. And I get it.
I totally get it. If it's someone who like that's
what they post about human rights and stuff, yes, and
politics and they post all the time.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Then of course, like Trevor Noah made an entire career
out of being a person who's supposed to be explaining
the truth, and then he.

Speaker 2 (48:50):
Just was ragie. He liked, he was like radio silent
about it.

Speaker 1 (48:56):
And he grew up in South African apartheid. That's why
he said like a couple things when tanahase Coats was
on his show, but that was like a year and
a half, and you know, like it's just a very
like to me to your point, it's different. If that's
your jazz, then you put the instrument down.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
Oh, then you should be called out relentlessly for sure.
I mean that's ridiculous. I mean I've I definitely lost
respect for tons of people. Uh, Like I was, I
was looking at people and I was like, if you're
really gonna ignore this, Like, I just I have no
respect for the way you synthesize, pull it up, the
information and put it out into the world.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
Agree. I just that as a black person in the
United States, I watched this happen in a really deleterious
way because it also meant that you can't hold like
Kamala Harris or hackeing Jeffries or Corey Booker to account
for Palestine without there being some type of like count

(50:00):
are productive, but without it being attacked as like a
counterproductive measure to like black liberation in the United States.
And so that became like this whole other layer where
it was like, not only are these people quiet, but
you need to allow them to be quiet because if
you don't, then you're the problem. And it's like that's

(50:21):
weird to me.

Speaker 2 (50:22):
That is weird. Yeah, that yeah, I mean yeah, I
got a bunch of that too, for criticizing Booker and
Kamala and all of that, And it's like, I don't
this has nothing. First of all, Corey Booker and Kamala
Harrison not for black liberation. They're black people. In what

(50:49):
way are they? Kamala posted yesterday this glowing obituary to
Dick Cheney like I don't, I'm sorry, please. The Booker
can talk for a long time about a whole bunch
of things and then you know, vote to drop bombs
on Gaza and be, you know, posing with and and.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
And he voted for Jared Kushner's dad, who's not even
an ex con. He's a con con Like he was partying.
He was pardoned by a con man. That's a double con.
So you know, I feel like when I so and

(51:34):
I'm somebody who does a lot that I don't put
on Instagram, like it's always weird to me. So like,
I'm I'm working with this church around my way to
do a Turkey drive and my homegirl was like, why
isn't your face on the poster? And I was on

(51:56):
the flyer and I was like, I mean why, it's
for Turcas and she was like, put your face on
the freakin' flyer. So I was like, okay, fine, so
I do. And then everyone who I had sent the
flyer to I sent them another updated copy with the

(52:19):
version of my face. And because at that point I
only send it to like six people, do you know,
every single one of them was like, oh.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
Much better, much better, And I was like really.

Speaker 1 (52:33):
And so people will often say a man of Seals
doesn't do anything but sit up here on this internet.
But also, by the way, y'all, there's a lot of
other time in the day. This is the turkey flyer.
Yay turkey.

Speaker 6 (52:50):
I'm just picking in.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
Hey, y'all send some turkeys. But there's a lot of
time in the day, and I just feel like it's
weird to I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong, but I
just don't. I don't advertise the things that I do,
and people are like, well, so, someone who's very close
in my circle recently said, I understand why you don't. However,

(53:17):
you're in a space that requires that. So is it
counterproductive for you to be in that space and not
doing the thing or are you preserving yourself in that space?
And I haven't come up with an answer. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:39):
Interesting, Yeah, that's tough.

Speaker 1 (53:44):
It feels weird to me to tell y'all every time
I do, because I do all the time. So it
feels weird to me to be like, guess.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
What, like total I know, it almost feels like it
cheapens it too, like, but I understand the other side too,
like it's good to get yourself out there like that
and raise.

Speaker 6 (54:08):
That stuff.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
Yeah, and then then maybe you inspire. I mean, it's
a kind of damned if you don't. Damned if you don't.
I don't know. I'll let you know what I come
up with. You'll steck to see posts. You'll be like, well,
I guess, I guess you sucked. So you have people
in the chat that are like, do it, you know,
and I'm just like, 'muncomfortable every time because sometimes you

(54:31):
do stuff with other folks and like they'll post about
it and then you know, they're like, can you collab?
And I'm like, okay, yeah, so tell me about Yeah,
with this project, by the end of it, where how

(54:51):
were you different than where you started?

Speaker 2 (54:54):
Yeah? Good question. Uh man. There were a lot of
moments throughout the book that were There were even moments
where and it only happened really with drawing, not with
the writing portion. Whereas I would be drawing something, it
would kind of unlock a memory that was hidden somewhere,
because you know, my mom got sick when I was twelve.

(55:18):
She passed away when I was fourteen. So like, if
you think back, that's a you know, you don't remember
that much like in great detail of when you were twelve.

Speaker 1 (55:29):
You know, you remember kind of flashing.

Speaker 2 (55:32):
Shape, yeah exactly. You don't have defined memories, but during
the process a bunch of them came back and then
there were also interesting moments where as I would be
drawing a page, I would be into the drawing of
it and trying to make it look good, and then
when it was done, I would look at it and

(55:53):
have like a very emotional reaction, especially like there's a
few pages where I draw my mom, you know, based
on photographs, stuff that I had, and then after you know,
tweaking it and being like the nose that you know,
because you're into like the nitty gritty of getting it right,
and then I would be done and look at it
and be like, WHOA, that hits hard. And it was

(56:16):
also interesting because throughout the process I became a parent,
and I write about it a bit towards the end,
and that shifted kind of the entire grief experience because
then I saw it more because even though I of
course felt horrible for my mother for having to have

(56:38):
gone through all that, you're still a kid and you
center yourself in that you know you can't help but
do that. But then when you grow up and become
a parent and care for your kids this much, then
you kind of experience it again where you're like, oh
my god, that must have been so devastating. First as
a Yeah, so that was tough and still is tough.

(57:03):
I mean I think about it all the time, like
because my sister is younger than me. She was only
six when my mom passed away, and like my daughter
just turned six, so it's like, so that stuff is tough.
So basically, yeah, well not currently, but have been and yeah,

(57:28):
but the book was definitely a therapeutic exercise and interesting
exploration of grief. And you know, I write in there
a bit about like O C D and really bad
intrusive thoughts that I had for years following it and
still have. They still pop up, but writing about them.
And it's funny because that's the part of the book.

(57:50):
I have like this squiggly kind of monster person that yeah, right, amazing. Yeah,
so that guy kind of personifies this like horrible voice
in my head. Yeah yeah, yeah, you'd like it too.

(58:12):
A few pages later, me and the horrible doppelganger in
my head a bond over Wu Tang and there's a
little sign that says, I bom atomically and it's like
him and I thinking of the same thing. So that's
another part of the book, like how art and music
and all that stuff really helped me get through all

(58:34):
of that. So yeah, it was an interesting cathartic experience,
and it also taught me to just like getting it
done and getting it published and the fact that it's
resonating and people.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Like it.

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Was also affirming, where it's like, you know, because I
put it out there and no one really wanted it initially,
and it's nice, like cause you were speaking earlier about
sometimes an editor will make things better and sometimes you
kind of have to stick to your guns if you
like something and you want it to be the way
it is, and I wanted this to be like this,

(59:10):
and it came out like that and it felt good,
So it's it was also a bit reaffirming to stick
to your guns in that way.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
Did that just left my mind?

Speaker 6 (59:24):
What is?

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Do you have any particular drawings in here that like
because we always have like our favorite, like our yeah,
our one switches, okay, so what's it today?

Speaker 2 (59:38):
What's my favorite today? I mean the first one that
I loved was this drawing of my mom with all
these flowers around her, because that one took me a
long time because I am not someone who can like
look at someone's face and draw it it. It takes
takes me effort. I could do it more as like

(59:58):
a cartoon yeah ish thing, but this was more of
like a realistic portrait drawing, and it's an important one,
so I wanted it to look good. So that one
I spent a long time on. And then there's this
other one that I love because it has a lot
of detail where it's my dad.

Speaker 6 (01:00:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
Well, no, that's a different one. Okay, there's an earlier
one that's like the one when she was sick, but
there's one when she was healthy, probably like page thirty
or something.

Speaker 1 (01:00:32):
Because I see the one with your dad and the
flowers too, and the yellow sports walkman or is that you?

Speaker 7 (01:00:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:00:41):
You that's you? Yeah, that's me, y'all. The yellow Sony
sportswalkman was that was really the shit.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
It's funny because I loved like just taking a picture
of that and putting it and then drawing it. I
actually loved doing that, like I love drawing Jon. Yes,
that one, that one, Yeah, that one took me a
long time and I drew all the flowers and yeah,
and then there's this there's this other one where it's

(01:01:12):
of my dad telling me that she's not my mom.
Isn't gonna make it, and it's like this picture of
us and then it's a version of me falling, and
then I made it all like an engagement ring and
it has like my dad proposing on one side and
then being alone on the other side. There's like a
lot of detail to it. It's probably shortly after the

(01:01:38):
flower page. It's like a loan on its own page
and that one.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Did you know that your brain was like this before
you mead that?

Speaker 2 (01:01:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:01:53):
Because this is other this is some other shit, Jessie,
Like this is this?

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
Did I know like all this wild art would come out?

Speaker 1 (01:02:03):
Wild art is very generous, I mean, it's like, I mean,
very generic. Like this is like you just described your
dad telling you about your mom not making it and
you falling into an engagement ring. Like I'm just.

Speaker 6 (01:02:23):
Like, yeah, that is a.

Speaker 1 (01:02:27):
That's so nonlinear. And so my question is, like, I
guess what I'm trying to say is did you see
the images in your mind first?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
Sometimes and sometimes I would be drawing them and they
would just evolve in a certain way.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Like I think with that one such a level of
freedom that you have to allow yourself to do that.
Would you agree, definitely?

Speaker 2 (01:02:52):
Definitely, Yeah, I will.

Speaker 1 (01:02:54):
That's what I mean to say. Were you always like that?
Would you? Were you always in a space where you
would let yourself be enough to.

Speaker 6 (01:03:00):
Just go with it? No?

Speaker 2 (01:03:02):
Probably not always. This was a time where I really
did let it fly more than others for sure. Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:03:12):
There it is.

Speaker 1 (01:03:15):
Socies and hypotheses came to find who I'll be dropping
these mockeries lyrically perform. I'm robbery.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
To me, that's like a sign. It's funny because I did.
I did an event with a do you know uh
Joel Leone the right, he's great. I did an event
with him in Brooklyn for the book, and he brought
up that verse and we were just talking about that
verse and now like everyone who knows knows that verse, like,

(01:03:42):
get a damn. It's funny. It's a thing.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
It's a thing, you know. I was leaving the y
m c A the other day and his brother was
coming in and he had on a Wu tang hoodie
and I was like, so he was like hold on
and he like just did the things he was carrying
so he could be like.

Speaker 2 (01:04:04):
That's sick. I love it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Well, where can people go? I mean, it's it's in
all book places, right, so it's yeah, where was you prefer.

Speaker 2 (01:04:14):
I mean, in that book, I've been directing people towards
bookshop dot org or you know, your local bookshop, tell
them to order it. That's probably my favorite, you know,
and look out for you know, this one.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
So that was gonna be my next question about that one.
So this is also in the graphic novel style.

Speaker 2 (01:04:34):
It is. Yeah, So what this book is is it's like,
I I realized that a lot of people like to
share quotes but don't really know what the people who
said the quotes did or don't really examine what the
quotes mean. So in this book, I was like, well,
I'm going to use quotes from like Delora suet to

(01:04:57):
James bald when Fanny Hamer, Edward Sayid Chomsky, all these people,
and I'm gonna be like, this is what they said, Like,
this is what they mean, this is what they did
kind of thing. Yeah, So that was kind of the
the impetus behind the whole idea for it. So that's
kind of how it goes, and it's basically just you know,

(01:05:20):
don't be a marshmallow is a quote from Delora Suerta,
you know, the famous labor activist when she was basically like,
I think it's don't be a marshmallow, get off the sidewalk,
walk the street with us. In the history and it's
about like, you know, her and Chavez like really caused
the massive disruption with their grape boycott, and so I

(01:05:41):
write about that and then they you know, they changed lives,
like they had a collective bargaining agreement for migrant farm
workers and all that. And you know, Fanny Louhamer said
a lot of incredible things and fought an unbelievable amount
of violence towards her and changed the way delegates were
And some of the other parts are just like you

(01:06:03):
know this thinker said this. So here's how you could
apply this now or I have like a chapter on
you know, the Black Panthers. How I'm like, you could
like what we were talking about. You know, you can
think local. You can help people, like the Black Panthers
are being hunted by cointel pro and they were still
able to do the free breakfast or children and the

(01:06:23):
free healthcare during all that. So like you can help
people and make a difference despite the insanity that's going on.
So and yes, and it's illustrations. It's it's similar to
that one.

Speaker 1 (01:06:37):
Well, that is what I was going to ask. Do
you feel, well, first of all, you are now a
professional illustrator, I guess, so do you feel like this
is the medium for you in writing books?

Speaker 6 (01:06:52):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:06:54):
I'm sure I will always probably put out these types
of books. But it's interesting. I have like this and
it's funny. I was just going back and I was
on your Small Doses podcast a while ago.

Speaker 1 (01:07:09):
And it's effects of being a white boy, isn't it
something like that?

Speaker 7 (01:07:12):
Yeah, being like something like that.

Speaker 2 (01:07:16):
Yeah, so funny. But yeah. Then I spoke about a
book that I've been working on for so many years,
which is like this long wild novel. It's super long,
and I initially pitched that and people were like, this
is cool, but like it's five hundred pages, so like yeah,

(01:07:37):
and they're like, You're like, nobody's going to publish like
your first novel at five hundred pages. But what's interesting
about it is I had always wanted that book because
it goes through these multiple storylines, and one of them
is like a sci fi space story. There's a lot
of like political allegory. It's a super ambitious. Hopefully it'll

(01:07:58):
be on shelves eventually. But what I wanted it's.

Speaker 1 (01:08:01):
A space story. You had me there, I know, I
know you.

Speaker 2 (01:08:05):
Yeah. Yeah. So what I wanted was this, maybe even
two long books where part is regular prose and then
another is kind of like a comic and you're going
through it and it rotates. But the thing is like,
I can do this type of illustrating. But what I
what I did realize, and this is important to know

(01:08:26):
our limitations too. I can't do like a full comic
with like action and people moving and fighting like that
takes a lot of training and just I don't My
brain doesn't work that way. However, I did find an artist,
and this is interesting because this can happen too. He

(01:08:48):
read the book and he's like, I'm just going to
sketch out some of these creatures and some of the
things that you would want in comic form and see
what you think. And with that book, I was like, oh,
he not only nailed what was in my head, he
actually made it better. So like with these kind of
really super personal books, maybe I will continue to illustrate

(01:09:12):
that got them, but some other ones. But yes, long
with did answer to your question. I do love having
a visual component in the books.

Speaker 1 (01:09:21):
I say that because we I feel like we're in
a We're in such a time of change and shift,
and one of the things that has changed and shifted
is people's ability to really take in information, particularly concepts,
and so like in in transforming my One Woman Show
to the text, I realized that I feel like my

(01:09:44):
book what would the Ancestors Say? Reads like a high
vibrational Instagram scroll because the content is very compact, Like
it's very like the things that I'm talking about are
presented to you in a dense fashion, but over the
course of many different formats. So you get monologue, you
get a lecture, you get like something that looks like
written stand up, you get dialogue, you get poetry. So

(01:10:09):
I feel like it feels like you're scrolling because we
get these videos that are like three minutes of just
straight to your neck socialism, right, and then you're onto
the next video, and it's like someone dancing to whatever
in information these days. So I'm excited to see more work.

(01:10:34):
I love your art and I love your point of view,
so to see it in art is great. And everybody
get your local bookshop to order Jesse Mechanic's book the
last time we spoke a story of loss, and you know,
I just think it's also coming out at such a

(01:10:56):
great time where there is no more struggler strife in
the world because now everybody can own it, right.

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
It's true. Yeah, yeah, look you looking for me? Thank you, Jesse.

Speaker 1 (01:11:12):
And I'm serious. I am going to come up and
visit you. You think I was playing, but I'm not.

Speaker 2 (01:11:16):
Please do, please do.

Speaker 1 (01:11:18):
And We're going to go to that store and see
if they have any more of those shirts.

Speaker 2 (01:11:21):
Safety have a lot of cool stuff that I also
want to buy the other day.

Speaker 1 (01:11:26):
I love it, y'all.

Speaker 3 (01:11:27):
He question before we go.

Speaker 1 (01:11:30):
It is a question, mister Mechanic. Any children's books plans.

Speaker 2 (01:11:34):
Yeah, fantastic question. And I would love to do a
children's book. And my wife is a special education teacher,
and I would love to do one with her because
I feel like I could come up with like a
broad idea and she could make it great and then
I could do the illustrations. That's a great question. I

(01:11:54):
would love to do a children's book.

Speaker 1 (01:11:56):
Well, I am starting a children's show next Radical Readers,
Rob Readers, and every episode Ray rab will do a
book report about a children's book that she considers radical,
and also sing a song that she will compose, and

(01:12:22):
she will also speak to the creators of these books.

Speaker 2 (01:12:27):
Oh that's awesome. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:12:29):
So it's like a reading rainbow.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
But like with teeth, that'll be great.

Speaker 1 (01:12:40):
Jesse, stay up and stay drying. Happy to talk to you.
Have a good one. A welcome change from what everyone
else is talking about today? Isn't this a welcome change?
I just wanted to give y'all something different. I just

(01:13:02):
wanted to give y'all something different, Okay, because there's so
much that is just the same today, So I wanted
to give y'all just something different, you know. Reminder for
everyone who is just joining us at is eleven twenty
three am Eastern, you are here at Views from Amandoland.
Thank you for waking up on the right side of history.

(01:13:25):
I will be in Sandago tomorrow with my book what
would the Ancestors say? Looking forward to seeing you all
there doing a book reading and signing and liberated dialogue,
all the things. It's going to be a beautiful gathering.
And then, of course this weekend you will be able
to watch the live stream performance of what would the

(01:13:46):
ancestors say, this is a new staging and this is
a new concept like you guys have seen it being
developed over time, but this is the final like da
da da, and this is the twenty twenty five edition.
And I say that because it's the type of work
that I want to be able to come back to
in the future and like you know, update based on

(01:14:06):
the times. So if you have not gotten your tickets,
please go to Amanda Seals dot com. They are still
available as standalone tickets or as bundles where you can
get a ticket and assigned copy of the book. And
shout out to everybody who will be at the LA show.
I will see you there. So we have our next guest.
So we have our next guest coming up in a

(01:14:27):
little bit. But I also want to take a moment
to just say that, you know, we did air the
last episode of Small Loses podcast last week. Yeah, so
Small Doses podcast did seven years. Seven not even it's
eight years. Small Boat Doses podcast did eight years. And
I'm so proud of the work that I did on

(01:14:48):
that podcast. And you will be able to access the
catalog forever. However, the feed will look different moving forward.
It will say Smartphenny and Black Productions, and you'll be
able to get content. So so basically what I'm asking
you to do is like, don't subscribe from the feed.
I will continue to give you dopeness via the RSS

(01:15:12):
feed that you are subscribed to, so you will get
what would the ancestors say? I'm gonna I'm gonna upload
the book talks that I can that I'm able to
get good enough audio from, so I will upload those.
You'll also be able to get views from Amandoland and
I did a series of conversations with folks on Instagram

(01:15:32):
Live around the concept of what would your ancestors say?
And so I'm looking to also cut those up and
spike them up a bit and put them up so
you know, it'll continue to be a content source for
audio content that I am making that I feel will
continue to you know, facilitate thought and ideas and inner peace,

(01:15:54):
inner raid, all the things. So all of that is
going to continue to be in the future of the
work that I'm doing, and again the past work will
also be available. So thank you to everyone who has
been a faithful listener, subscriber, downloader to Small Doses podcasts

(01:16:14):
over the past few years, you are much appreciated, Centil.
I will continue the Instagram lives. I think it's a
really beautiful thing, you know. For me right now, it
just becomes like, how do I do stuff in a
way that isn't like tying me down, because I just
feel the need to be very free and loose, and

(01:16:36):
I do do this consistently because I understand the necessity
to also have certain places that you know you can
come to. So shout out to everybody who is with
us today if you're wondering why is she talking about
mom Donnie, because everybody is talking about that, and I
wanted to be able to give you all something different
and also give myself something different. Like the political analysis

(01:16:56):
of it all just ends up being very redundant at
a certain point. It just becomes kind of like a
an exercise in existing. This happens, So now we got
to talk about it, and I'll talk more in my

(01:17:18):
PSA about where my head really is. However, what I'm
really excited about is about what would the ancestors say.
I am No, I'm going out into the world for
the first time since last year, since I was on tour,
and I'm always reminded of the uniqueness of my I

(01:17:44):
have a certain kind of courage that is being tested,
and I'm very that's what I'm looking for. I'm very calm.

Speaker 6 (01:18:06):
In that.

Speaker 1 (01:18:08):
Testing. I think the I think it's really interesting when
people say things to me brasilient. That's the word lester.
I feel like I'm actually so let me just correct this.
I'm not being tested in my courage. I'm being tested
in my resoluteness. That's what it is there there, it

(01:18:33):
is in my resoluteness. And I think that's the thing
that many of us are going to have to really
be that many of us are going to be tested
in because there's going to be a lot of hoopla
and a lot of raw ra that can move you.
And I was speaking to Mark Wayne and I will

(01:18:58):
share the link of our on your outcast episode, and
I was really appreciative of what he said. He said,
you know, Amanda, you're an anchor And I said, well,
what do you mean. He was like, you're an anchor
because you know, you're You're always solid. And the fact
of the matter is, you know, people get very bothered

(01:19:20):
with me about me being the same type. I'm always
the same type of person, and they'd be like, why
aren't you switching up for this? And the truth of
the matter is that I shouldn't have to switch up
the person I am, the scenario, the energy, the universe
switches up, and I respond, Okay, so I'm gonna respond

(01:19:45):
to that which is real and that which is naturally
calling for my response. I shouldn't have to cook it
up because I'm present. Take that. Okay, take that and

(01:20:09):
take that with you, because I know some of y'all
feel that way too. You're going to show up places
today and they're gonna be like, oh my god, and
you may feel like you have to do whatever, and
just show up as yourself, show up as yourself and

(01:20:32):
let that be. And I really feel like folks don't
understand that that is enough. Okay, it truly is. And
we got somebody on here who's who's going to reinforce
that because that's just the type of gal that she is.
And hold on, because I'm trying to do something that's

(01:20:56):
not working. Okay, hold on one second, and uh, we
are going to get into our second level us up.
See how I love y'all. We got leveled up twice
a day so that means that we started here, and
we went here, and now we're about to go here.
All right, it is crazy, y'all. A then.

Speaker 4 (01:21:28):
We are we are.

Speaker 1 (01:21:32):
Hello. Hi, good morning, walk Wane wal Gwane.

Speaker 6 (01:21:45):
It's a day in the Crescent City. It is.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
It's a sunny day in the Crescent City. It's a
sunny day in New York. It started out gray, but
the sun came out. Any thoughts, lots of thoughts. So

(01:22:10):
first let me tell you this is Dana le Knackles.
This is the People's Oracle. Dana describes herself as a
host and diviner of divination, host and Diviner of the
Divination for Liberation Podcasts, also a therapeutic coaching coach and
she does book readings and therapeutic coaching. And we are

(01:22:30):
going to talk about the ninth annual edition of the
twenty twenty six Ideial Astrology Guide. So you also are
going to have to tell people about what sidereal astrology
is for those who did not listen to your episode
of Small Doses. But first, any thoughts, do not.

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
Give a democratical money. They are going to be on
your line today. They are going to be texting you,
They're going to be emailing you, and they're going to
be like, please see give me money.

Speaker 1 (01:23:08):
Wait, you mean the same Democrats that No, you mean
the same Democrats that wasn't even endorse somebody.

Speaker 6 (01:23:15):
Absolutely, you mean them. Listen, this is this is all
so lovely to me because our paths crossed, right because
of a post that I made talking about how basically
the Democrats are controlled opposition. Right. They function to take
all of our revolutionary sentiment, our radical disposition, our excitement

(01:23:39):
for change, and they siphon it like vampires and transform
it into fundraising requests. And then you give them your money,
and you're like, wow, look at me. I'm an I'm
an activist.

Speaker 7 (01:23:52):
I have.

Speaker 6 (01:23:54):
The world because I gave Cory Booker money. I I
I Black Lives Matter because I gave Kabla Harris money. Right.
And so furthermore, it should be solidified at this point
that the Democratic Party is a fund raising organization whose

(01:24:16):
sole function is to fundraise, right, but.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
I'm bomb.

Speaker 1 (01:24:24):
Do so, just so we're clear, we are also referring
to the Democrats who eulogized Dick Cheney.

Speaker 6 (01:24:33):
And told us that we were mean for cracking jokes
about Charlie Kurtz death.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Are we are we also talking about the Democrat who
became an independent because they lost the Democratic vote and
then was endorsed by George by Donald Trump. I wanted
to make sure.

Speaker 6 (01:25:00):
I mean, it's so wild because we have to make
these clarifications and distinctions because someone's going to be like
not all Democrats. Baby, here's the thing. In order to
get like an endorsement from the Democratic Party, it has
nothing to do with your policies and everything to do

(01:25:21):
with are you good at raising money? That's how you
become a darling of the Democratic Party. That's how you
get their support, their vote. They they tolerated Kamala Harris
because she bought billion dollars.

Speaker 1 (01:25:36):
That we don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:25:39):
Y'all spend all of that money, what do you have
to show for it? Don't spend another time working families party,
the actual party who endorsed and supported Mam Donnie in
New York is having a call tonight. So if you
need a political organization to get behind, it's a place
to start.

Speaker 1 (01:26:01):
They still damn's baby, They still damns. We had Maurice
on here, we had them all here. Because ultimately, there's
the catch. Twenty two that a lot of folks feel,
which is, well, we have the system that's currently in place,

(01:26:22):
and so we have to like do the dance with
the system that's in place in order to do anything
about the problems that are currently in place. I who
am I to argue? However, I feel like that is

(01:26:44):
rhetoric I hear all the time that ignores that doesn't
include and then and this is what happened when we
didn't do that, right, So I'm like, okay, but have
you done it without doing that? What was the outcome?
And that's never It's never like, well, we're doing this
because when we did this other thing, it didn't work.

(01:27:05):
And that's the thing that for me and the other thing, well,
the other thing, Yeah, Like I'm just like I I
we have seen the other thing work because we know
that grassroots organizing.

Speaker 6 (01:27:18):
Is that that I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:27:22):
So leading with So, I guess what I'm saying is
I feel like we started going top down instead of
bottom up right, And I.

Speaker 6 (01:27:33):
Think that, like, this is actually a really like interesting
moment to be having this conversation about which approach works
in general, particularly because the one thing that's almost always
missing from the conversation is this thing of building parallel
economic structures, right, like this thing of okay, vote when

(01:27:56):
you vote, vote whatever. Fine, it is what it is,
right right, But also like right now, snap benefits cut
for people. People are forced by their material circumstances to
build another structure distributing resources.

Speaker 1 (01:28:20):
Correct.

Speaker 6 (01:28:21):
And if this was if we were really taking advantage
of this, we would be talking about this within the
context of we don't stop this just because snap benefits
come up, come back, these relationships, these organizations, these channels

(01:28:43):
for distributing resources and money and food, like, this doesn't
stop just because snap benefits come back. This is not
a stopgap measure. This should be a permanent alternative to
feeding people, et cetera, et ceteract because that's actually what's
going to transition us away from this black and white

(01:29:07):
to party.

Speaker 1 (01:29:08):
But that's what people like, yes.

Speaker 6 (01:29:12):
Agreed, totally agreed, because one of my thoughts this morning
was like I was in the crew of people that
said Trump needed to win in order for people to
do anything.

Speaker 1 (01:29:26):
You said that aloud, absolutely on how they come for you?
Which way you know?

Speaker 6 (01:29:32):
I don't be paying these people know mine, I will
send it offen too the ether and press me because
I said what I said as soon as they start coming.
You're not smart enough to have a commediation. I know.

Speaker 1 (01:29:45):
I just arrived there in my maturity.

Speaker 2 (01:29:48):
Yo.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
Like, like, I'm not arguing with you because here's the thing.

Speaker 6 (01:29:54):
People think that people like you and me are just
like sharing our opinion.

Speaker 7 (01:29:59):
I know.

Speaker 6 (01:30:00):
It's like, No, I actually read and listen to people
who know more than me.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
This was formed right. No, yeah, like I the last
part is the part I listen and read people who
are more informed than me. They may not think the
way I think.

Speaker 6 (01:30:20):
Correct, it may not even come to the same conclusion.

Speaker 1 (01:30:27):
However, I didn't just dream this up from my feelings, right.

Speaker 6 (01:30:35):
And most people are operating from they can't tell. You know,
I want to be trying to get so deep, but
that's just the way that I am.

Speaker 1 (01:30:42):
You're the people's or Earlier in the chat, Isabel said
the oracle about the oracle, like.

Speaker 6 (01:30:54):
People cannot tell the difference between they're indoctrination and their
opinion and fact.

Speaker 1 (01:31:06):
So I said this earlier in the show. They don't
even know. Yeah, they don't even know. I feel like
at this point the work ends up being for me
because everyone has their Roles. I'm just trying to get
people to even realize your thoughts aren't your own.

Speaker 6 (01:31:26):
Whatever. What you perceive to be logic is actually propaganda
and indoctrination.

Speaker 1 (01:31:36):
And that's not a conspiracy theory. It's not an opinion.

Speaker 6 (01:31:41):
You know it's not, And it's not a statement about
your intellect. Like, you're not stupid. Yes, you're not stupid
because you've been indoctrinated. No, I was indoctrinated.

Speaker 1 (01:31:52):
You're a tax paying American. You went to school in
the United States, you.

Speaker 6 (01:31:58):
Were fed on mainstream news media, right, your textbooks were
written by girl.

Speaker 1 (01:32:05):
I'm in those textbooks. I used to be a textbook model. Wow,
I'm physically in the books.

Speaker 6 (01:32:12):
Damn Tea.

Speaker 1 (01:32:14):
Then yes, McGraw hill is Gilay Maxwell's dad or something
like that. That's the books that we were reading, and
I'm in them books. What with the goggles on in
the door.

Speaker 6 (01:32:36):
In the science textbook?

Speaker 1 (01:32:39):
Girlming another one with a sack of books like.

Speaker 6 (01:32:42):
Let me tell you, let me tell you something. This
is totally unrelated. Why my daddy called me the other
day and he was like, yeah, So I went on
Instagram the other day and I saw you on the
Instagram with somebody named Avanda Siels. I was like, oh yeah.
So he was like, yeah, I saw. I went and
read about her. She's she's been into a lot of
different things. He's like, I think I'm gonna go see

(01:33:02):
her at her bookshop because you're going from Chicago. He's like,
I'm gonna go see her at the bookstop. Okay, just
sit with me for a minute. And so my dad
was like, well, I can't I can't find where.

Speaker 2 (01:33:14):
Where is it?

Speaker 6 (01:33:15):
I couldn't find I said, I went to the website
and I said, oh, it's at Burst Books I think
on one hundred and nineteenth or East one nineteen East, Michigan.
And my dad said, who oh shoot, oh you pulled
that up. I'm like, where did you go?

Speaker 1 (01:33:32):
He said, oh, yeah, outside.

Speaker 6 (01:33:36):
Hood. You go into the hood. And I said, this
must be some black owned community book center.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Is that right?

Speaker 1 (01:33:42):
That is correct?

Speaker 6 (01:33:43):
Okay, very good because my dad was concerned for you.
He was concerned for you.

Speaker 1 (01:33:48):
I'm with brother, I'm here.

Speaker 6 (01:33:49):
I told my dad. I said, Amanda's down for the people,
like like, I was like, she in it in it that.
He was like, oh, okay, well.

Speaker 1 (01:33:58):
Where when I be in the hood. I feel like
the hood because I've been in the hood, and the
hood be like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:06):
What up?

Speaker 1 (01:34:10):
Like they I mean, there's all you always have to
keep your head on swivel. But for what it's worth,
anytime I've been in the hood, the hood be like y'all,
y'all take care her, right, and that I mean. I
used to live in the hood in the Harlem. I
remember when I moved to the hood in Jewel Santana's brother, uh,

(01:34:32):
because you also lived the block away and his brother
had to go and tell the block everybody, chill out,
she's safe, leave her alone, and uh, you know, but
shout out to pops. I'm literally with like Chicago's own
like f o.

Speaker 6 (01:34:51):
I oh, oh, okay, enough said, enough said, I'm good.
I said enough said. I'll tell my dad and he
will be so please.

Speaker 1 (01:35:04):
Please tell Is he gonna time? Where is it too
hard for your dad?

Speaker 2 (01:35:08):
I think so? I think so.

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
No, no, no, no, no, no no no. I have
made it out of that.

Speaker 6 (01:35:13):
No, my dad lives on sixty third Street.

Speaker 2 (01:35:16):
Like he's good.

Speaker 1 (01:35:17):
What does that mean? I don't know, because I don't
know Chicago.

Speaker 6 (01:35:21):
Those who are watching will know.

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Okay, all right. The trade version of the East Side.
I'm assuming where something like that. Who would say that?
And people are like understood a.

Speaker 6 (01:35:31):
Little bit more gentrified.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
But okay, yeah, I will also be in New Orleans,
so I'll send you the date forase. I don't put
it out yet.

Speaker 6 (01:35:41):
I haven't put hopefully i'll be here because I'm traveling.
Uh December, when is it.

Speaker 1 (01:35:48):
Going to be.

Speaker 6 (01:35:53):
I'm not going to be here, disrespectful? Why didn't you
cross reference with my calendar first?

Speaker 1 (01:36:01):
Earlier? I was like, can you move your event in
DC to this other venue?

Speaker 6 (01:36:05):
Please?

Speaker 1 (01:36:07):
They're like that venue is controversial? What ain't at this point? Yo?

Speaker 6 (01:36:12):
Yo bets.

Speaker 1 (01:36:17):
For me at the very For me, it's like are
you not Zionists?

Speaker 6 (01:36:21):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:36:22):
And do you support do you support the community?

Speaker 2 (01:36:26):
Right?

Speaker 1 (01:36:26):
If we can knock those two boxes out, I'm good.
There's no sexual harassment charges here?

Speaker 2 (01:36:32):
Right?

Speaker 6 (01:36:32):
That was what will be the last one? Like nobody
was graped or anything like that? Then okay, no, because
like this is another post that I put out, you know,
I just be dropping his fingers and walking away. I
was like, we look at people who we perceed to
have celebrity influence attention, including politicians, we treat them like

(01:36:56):
they are our political mascots in that because we have
been so systematically disempowered from our personal actions having any
change politically and materially, we perceive our only power to

(01:37:22):
be these other people, and so they become like little
puppets that we want to act out our politics and
morals for us. Yes, yes, yes, right. So the real
issue is why why? Right? Like why do you need

(01:37:50):
someone else to act out your politics for you? And
this is not accountability, that's accountability.

Speaker 1 (01:38:01):
I did a post. I did it a live yesterday
at like two o'clock where I talked about a number
of things. I talked about, you know, I asked people, Okay,
if mom Donnie wins, what is Wait? Go ahead, I said,
if he wins, what is what do you? What do
you change about you? And I'll talk about this later

(01:38:23):
in the show on my public sales announcement, But ultimately
that's the question I have for folks, because a lot
of times people when they get the elected official in
place that they really like, they feel like that's the
end of the job, right, yes, And I said, you know,
then you start you treat them like a savior. And

(01:38:44):
I talked about a number of other topics. But the bots,
because you know the Dems. The Dems come for me, right,
like they said out their boat army, And so the
bod army was out there today in that post under
that post saying thing, and you can tell when they're
bots and who's not bots. I'm getting better at this,
and like you have people that are like, he's not
a savior, He's not a savior. He's not a savor.

(01:39:04):
He's not a savior, and I'm like whatever, whatever, like
you guys do, this is bots. But then I had
somebody say, you know, to see someone whose opinion I
respect so highly and who typically is on the right
side of topics actively misspell mom Donnie's name in the caption.

(01:39:29):
Let me tell you what the misspelling was, m A
M A D A N I.

Speaker 2 (01:39:36):
So like.

Speaker 1 (01:39:39):
It didn't occur, It didn't occur to you, and it
could be a typo. Actively is a strong word because.

Speaker 6 (01:39:46):
Then who spelled it wrong on purpose? Because you're disrespectful
and you don't have any respect for the man, yo,
that type of stuff right there.

Speaker 1 (01:39:57):
Like, but I made it video and then I said,
you know what, nah, I tuck it. I made a
video this morning y'all that I had to talk. See,
that's the thing that all d'll don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:40:09):
I'm so glad for you. That's growth.

Speaker 1 (01:40:11):
I'd be making a video and I'd be like, you
know what, never mind, I.

Speaker 6 (01:40:15):
Got plenty of those in my phone. I'm like, let's
just get this off. Yes, let me just get this off.

Speaker 1 (01:40:23):
Let me keep it moving.

Speaker 6 (01:40:24):
Listen, we talk way more than you see us talking.

Speaker 1 (01:40:29):
Honestly, the Fatima. That's the energy that was giving me
that I was being like islamophobic, Like that's where folks
be trying to go with shit, and you like you're
doing too much. Now, speaking of doing, I won't even
enough talk to us about Sidereal versus. Don't tell me

(01:40:54):
tropical astrology. Don't you have to get We did an
entire episode this on small doses, so you can hear
the in depth. But I feel like it's necessary to
contextualize because you have a new ninth annual. By the way,
ninth annual is I'm impressed. Nope, that's not what I

(01:41:17):
want to show. Holds one hello, sorry, give me.

Speaker 6 (01:41:23):
A second, take your time, Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:41:27):
Here it is. We have a new ninth annual twenty
twenty six. Sidereal astrology guide? Why what is the guidance
that we are being given?

Speaker 6 (01:41:43):
Okay, the first thing that you need to know about
me is that all of this political stuff that you
hear me talk with, all these lovely books back here
that I dive into on a regular occasion, this is
not separate from astrology. For me. Something that's so important
to me with anything I do, but particularly as a
public astrolos, is that whatever I talk about needs to

(01:42:04):
be connected to the real political material conditions that we're
living through. If I can't name capitalism, if I can't
name white supremacy and patriarchy, then I am taking those
as for granted realities that cannot be questioned or challenge. Right.
If I don't have the language for what capitalism is
doing to you in my astrology, I'm just gaslighting you. Right.

(01:42:27):
So siderial astrology for me is like, yes, there's a
different calculation here, but the different calculation is actually more
accurate for me in terms of describing people's experiences and
giving us a glimpse into what is coming for us.
So the last thing I'll say is that siderial astrology
for me, you will if you search siderial astrology on Google,

(01:42:50):
you will see a lot of different takes. You'll see
data astrology, you'll see Western siderial astrology. But this right
here is divination for liberation. And I think that that
is very self explanatory. If you know what detonation is,
and if you know what liberation is, that's what we're
doing over here with astrology, weaving the political and the

(01:43:11):
personal together.

Speaker 1 (01:43:14):
So I just bought three, Thank you, Amanda, and I'm
gonna give two away to our Patreon members.

Speaker 6 (01:43:28):
You guys, y'all are there for a treat.

Speaker 2 (01:43:33):
Other.

Speaker 6 (01:43:34):
Listen, we've even got into it.

Speaker 1 (01:43:36):
Let's let's get us in. Yeah, I mean, let's let's
lock in.

Speaker 6 (01:43:40):
Like, can I share my screen like a PDA for here?
Is it gonna let you do it?

Speaker 1 (01:43:46):
No, I've never had anything.

Speaker 6 (01:43:47):
It stays present here. Let me see what happens if
I president slides and PDF from your computer. We currently
support Google slides, PowerPoint and okay, upload file. Oh they
might be letting me do it. Okay, it's a floating

(01:44:13):
because I don't want to. It's gonna be flipped if
I open up the book.

Speaker 1 (01:44:16):
Here, I don't think so. I think it's flipped for us,
but for some reason on their side. They all were suddenly,
it's not flipped. Oh right, like this is not reverse
for you guys, right, my god, No it's not.

Speaker 6 (01:44:29):
It's not. It's okay. Oh, there we go.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
Oh there it is.

Speaker 6 (01:44:33):
Okay, I can't see it, but y'all can see it. Oh, very.

Speaker 1 (01:44:38):
Look at that.

Speaker 6 (01:44:40):
This is so exciting, guys. Okay, okay, all right, so
here we go. Are you turning pages?

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Wait?

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
Are you able to control it?

Speaker 6 (01:44:50):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:44:50):
Oh my god, good, I'm gonna eat my apple saze.

Speaker 6 (01:44:53):
Okay. So this is what's in the guide. You're gonna
start here. One thing to know about me. Nothing in
this guide is for purely aesthetic purposes. Nothing in this
guide is haphazard. Everything is meticulously intentional. So these are
our things. We've got to start here, and we'll get
there in a second. We got our contents how to
use this guide, houses in my birth chart, all of

(01:45:16):
this stuff is explained. Then we have divination for liberations
sidereal astrologies essential. So if you want to know what
the signs mean in my system, it's all here. Planets
and houses. I explain to you how the guide is
laid out, and then we have the actual guide and
then there's these reference tables. Okay, I'm not going to

(01:45:36):
go into all of this because you can read this,
but the most important thing to do in this slide
is to hold on. We go back is start here,
use the instructions on the website leak below to cast
your siderial birth chart. Right. You will also find instructions
on how to identify your rising sign there. So you're

(01:45:57):
gonna get your siderial birth chart. You need your birth date, time,
I'm in location, and your rising sign. That's all you need.
You don't need to know what nothing in that chart needs.
You don't have to have any knowledge. That's very important. Okay,
So so I'm not going to go through all of this.
This shows you how to do this stuff here, how
to identify your rising sign. This is These are my favorite.

(01:46:21):
So these pages and you can see them here. How
pretty they turned out.

Speaker 1 (01:46:25):
Did you st have one cancer on purpose? Nope, it's
just the first one because you know, in sidereal, I'm
not a cancer. I know you're a Leo.

Speaker 6 (01:46:32):
But let's look at see what Leo says. I don't
want to read you, but I can't help it because
it's on the screen. I love you, Amanda, her goes guys, Leo,
this is this is actually your rising sign. Your rising
sign is siderial Leo.

Speaker 1 (01:46:53):
So your rising sign, my rising is Virgo.

Speaker 6 (01:46:56):
In tropical it's Leo and sidereal.

Speaker 1 (01:47:03):
So I have us. I have a uh what's it called,
I have a Stelium.

Speaker 6 (01:47:10):
No, I think that you have just your rising sign
in Leo, and you have Jupiter. Are you eighty two
or eighty one?

Speaker 1 (01:47:22):
Eighty one?

Speaker 6 (01:47:23):
Yeah? I think you have Jupiter and Saturn in Virgo.
I think I have your chart saved in here. Let
me look, let me you're just gonna do that, thanks.

Speaker 1 (01:47:43):
Because I'm curious. In Sideia, I thought that in Siderio,
my sun and moon were both cancer. I mean we're
both Leo.

Speaker 6 (01:47:51):
No, it goes backwards through the zodiac.

Speaker 1 (01:47:54):
So I'm Gemini.

Speaker 6 (01:47:56):
Yes, remember look, hold on, let's get to Gemini. We're
gonna are with Leo. Leo is the projector, so the
ideal is like, this is the thing that's driving me
out in the world to be seen and known as
you see and know yourself. I mean literally literally right,

(01:48:16):
and we're just gonna get past this other stuff. Let's
get to Gemini because it's cute too. So this is Gemini.
Gemini is the verbalizer.

Speaker 2 (01:48:26):
Ha ha ha.

Speaker 6 (01:48:33):
The ideal is to be able to trust that what
you know is true. And the only way you could
trust what you know is truth, you have to keep
reading and learning.

Speaker 1 (01:48:43):
I literally so in that video that I kept, I
said truth is my religion.

Speaker 6 (01:48:50):
Yes, And we talked about that in the conversation we
ye got last week.

Speaker 2 (01:48:55):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:48:57):
Oh my god, tools imagination. Wait, let me just center
myself for a second, real quick, y'all. I trust that's
my task. I get overtrust gift.

Speaker 6 (01:49:09):
Wait, you said, do you feel like you overtrust? Yeah,
well that's why because the coping strategy of Gemini's guillibility.

Speaker 1 (01:49:17):
You're mean, I feel attacked.

Speaker 6 (01:49:21):
I've said I wasn't going to try to read. But
this is the thing like did for live aka Divination
for Liberation? Is that girl, because like it's so accurate,
Like it's so and you won't find these interpretations on
the internet. These interpretations are me my system. So when

(01:49:45):
I say divination for Liberation, I'm talking about the philosophical, moral,
and political thing that undergirds this system of interpretation. But
also I'm talking about an actual like logic of interpretation. Right,

(01:50:05):
So when you see these this column on the leftier
name ideal tool, task, gift, grouned coping strategy, like this
is divination. This is how I understand signs. So for example,
I'm gonna be quiet so you can say what you
have to say.

Speaker 1 (01:50:20):
I just said okay, okay.

Speaker 6 (01:50:22):
So for example, here, if we talk about the gift
of Gemini being knowledge, how do we get here? In
order to seek more knowledge, you have to be dissatisfied
with the knowledge that you already have, because otherwise it's
just the belief that you've decided. Remember what I said online.
Whatever you don't question is your religion. You did say

(01:50:44):
that you did right, And Gemini is like my religion
is truth.

Speaker 1 (01:50:55):
Like the shift for me happened Palestine October seventh was big.
But the trajectory in that direction began when I flew
one night to Atlanta and on the flight I watched
a master like one of those master class shows, and

(01:51:16):
it had all these different black scholars and intellectuals doing
these like bite sites, bite size videos about yeah, like
bite sized lectures about different topics and black history. So
the civil rights movement, Anita Hill trial, I mean the
Anita Hill's hearings, reconstruction, et cetera. And I left that

(01:51:41):
plane different because I realized that I had massive holes
in my scholarship, and it began me on a very
direct trajectory that I'm still very much on to fill
those holes, like I can't stop now.

Speaker 6 (01:52:02):
It's and it's it's a right that ideal to be
able to trust that what you know is true means
that if you rest on any knowledge that you already have,
it closes you off to new information. So there's a
balance here, right that Like, of course, you can't be

(01:52:23):
too open to new information because on a personal level,
it leads you to one distrusting your own experience.

Speaker 2 (01:52:33):
Right.

Speaker 6 (01:52:34):
I always say conversations leave opportunity for other people's opinions.
Conversation open the door for other people's opinions.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
Yes, yes, that's why people don't like me.

Speaker 6 (01:52:48):
Yes, But also in your own lived experience, if I may,
You often invite conversation just because you're a curious, open
person who likes to talk, but it often then leaves
the door open to people misinterpreting and bringing their interpretation
of your experiences in a way that undermines what it

(01:53:09):
was for you.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
I think also I'm showing up in curiosity and others
are showing up in a different energy in judgment.

Speaker 6 (01:53:18):
Yeah, showing up in judgment. Yeah, that's the opposite sign Sagittarius.

Speaker 1 (01:53:25):
So in the guide book, we have these pages that
help us kind of get a grounding on, like an
overview of the various signs.

Speaker 6 (01:53:39):
Right. Yeah, So if you never seen your Siberial birth
chart before and you're like, what you mean, I'm Leo Riisner,
what you mean, I'm you know, Taurus moon or whatever
it may be, Well you can look at these pages
and you can be like, oh damn, never mind you right,
because that's what's going to happen. Right. I have the

(01:53:59):
interpretation of all of the planets here what they mean
in transit, So like Mercury's retrograde. Now that's what mercury
means here, and we have house meanings which I show
you how to use.

Speaker 1 (01:54:13):
Here.

Speaker 6 (01:54:14):
These are all the parts of the guide. So let's
not even read these tables. Let's get to the nitty gritty.
So I can't see the let me see if it'll
let me do it. Yeah, it won't. Let me show
two pages up. So this is the calendar. It's literally
a calendar, and each of these symbols represent planets, and

(01:54:35):
it is noting that on this particular date something is happening.
So we have these tables back here that tell you
what each of those symbols means. And then don't worry,
because it doesn't matter if you don't get it. I
have in plain English written interpretations for each of these transits. Right,

(01:54:56):
So January first, twenty twenty six, there's gonna be a
full moon eighteen degrees Gemini reconciling the contradictions between words
and intention, right, So I show you how to fill
in this blank with the relevant meanings for you. But
you can also use this as a journal of reflection.

(01:55:17):
What does this mean for you at this time? And
I do this for every thing that's in this calendar.
Then we have questions.

Speaker 2 (01:55:25):
So this is a.

Speaker 6 (01:55:27):
Personal horoscope work book. It's a journal and it is
a calendar, and it walks you through the personal application
of one year of astrology. And you don't need to
know Jack, because I know everything about astrology, and so
I'm telling you.

Speaker 4 (01:55:44):
Here, right.

Speaker 6 (01:55:46):
So this is the last part. We've got just a
quick little summary, and then we have these questions. Now,
remember this is divination for liberation, So this ain't gonna
be on January seventh. Dub your toe and be the
love of your life. Right, No, this is in January.

(01:56:08):
What disruptions or improvements during your in your material circumstances
occur during those periods the ones referenced up here, or
we have a question, let's just go to another random
page here a see in April, what practices for rituals
are you implementing to increase your capacity to hear your

(01:56:29):
feelings embody, spiritual, religious, therapeutic, health, relational or physical. That's
the type of time we're on. We are trying to
integrate the political into the personal because there's a time
and season for all things. And luckily I'm really good
and all what time it is?

Speaker 1 (01:56:48):
You see what this is also is so sometimes I
feel people don't understand the difference between just like commerce
and being a merchant of like your your actual skills
and your work. Right, and it's so obvious here that
your intellect, your labor, your knowledge is what people are.

(01:57:12):
Like You're not buying an astrology guide like you're you're
purchasing insight that that you are now getting access to
to also then gain your own insight from. And I
think that's really where we're at now, is how are
we providing people with tools. One, there's the tools of

(01:57:34):
actual living, right, so how are you getting food and
shelter and clothing and being able to provide for yourself.
There's also the tools of your spirit, of your soul
that are also necessary that I think oftentimes get overlooked,
like art and why we need arts and artists involved

(01:57:57):
in movement. And I I'm really appreciate just the very
directness of this, Like it's not alluded to the liberation aspect,
isn't like you know you can you can apply that
if you feel comfortable.

Speaker 2 (01:58:10):
No, that's.

Speaker 6 (01:58:12):
My dad. People will be like if you don't get
your life together. One last fun fact, so you can
download the PDF to this and you can print it
like what I've shown on the screen. You can also
pre order this printed version. You have till Friday because
I'm doing this second printing. And every single thing in

(01:58:35):
this guide, from the words to the concept to the
layout and design, I did this all by myself. There
is nobody I did not collaborate with anybody on writing this.
Queen recognize queen, come on with it. So when you

(01:59:00):
see these pretty tables with the full page bleed you
the wire oh bound seventy pound uncoded text, like.

Speaker 1 (01:59:17):
Stop, I need y'all to understand how this is. I
had to dig off my glasses because it really is
learning an entire other language, like printing things. At this point,
I'm like, okay, do I need to order us? I
have to order a sample book so I understand weights, yes,

(01:59:38):
of paper, like all the things. And I find it
fascinating every time I continue to grow as an adult
and find new curiosities that I want to become hyper focused.

Speaker 6 (01:59:48):
In and unshed yes.

Speaker 1 (01:59:51):
Yes, And printing has been the latest one for me.

Speaker 6 (01:59:53):
And that's very mercurial. Your chart is mercury dominant, and
mercury wants to know. It wants to be precise, and
it wants to know the nitty gritty details. So like,
there's a mistake in here, and I had to know,
and I had to order labels. But I had to

(02:00:13):
go in my master file and get the measurements of
this little box so I could purchase the correct size.

Speaker 1 (02:00:23):
Like ma'am. So I printed it and then I said, oh,
I need to make corrections. These are all corrections that
I had to go back and make before I could
sell it to y'all. One person I had accidentally put

(02:00:44):
it for sale because I connected the shops and I
did it. One person got that version.

Speaker 6 (02:00:49):
I'll damn.

Speaker 1 (02:00:52):
Well when I returned everybody. If there were thirty other people,
I returned to all their books.

Speaker 6 (02:00:56):
No, I know, that's right, So this mistake won't be
in the new Also, the cover will be different because
this is the cover that I did last So this
is twenty twenty five. Okay, so it's a bigger size.
It's the exact same thing. But this is like all
like a mad and silky. I don't know how that
didn't happen on this one. So it's gonna be mad

(02:01:16):
and silky. Also, you get a lovely.

Speaker 1 (02:01:22):
Shi we love a sticker.

Speaker 6 (02:01:26):
Yeah, I mean, first of all, this logo is so cute.
These are clear, they're kind of hard to get off.
This logo is so cute that I'm about to get
a sweatshirt made because this is like no one has
ever seen these words looking like this.

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
Actually, that's that's like a you're you're gonna do well
with that.

Speaker 6 (02:01:46):
Yeah, I'm gonna give me a black a black sweatshirt
hoodie with this like on the front.

Speaker 1 (02:01:53):
Yeah, I'm here for that same.

Speaker 6 (02:01:56):
I used to be against it, but it's like, you
know what, Okay, like selling people ship all the time,
like Beyonce selling something else again today like lady read
the room, Like what are you a retail brand?

Speaker 2 (02:02:15):
Now?

Speaker 1 (02:02:15):
I was gonna say, I think it's different, Like I
sell things because that's how I live, right, Like I'm
not selling y'all things just to do it. Am selling
y'all things to That's how I support myself, right.

Speaker 6 (02:02:31):
Like, ain't no house over my head if I don't
like like this this this pays a few months rint okay, Yeah, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:02:41):
That's a real thing. And I've had to in my
disengaging from capitalism, I've had to ask myself, you know,
those questions like what is how? How are you doing
this different than you would have before? Right?

Speaker 6 (02:02:54):
Like what?

Speaker 1 (02:02:54):
And I think for so many of us it becomes
a question of am I doing this with purpose? Or
am I doing this just because I can?

Speaker 2 (02:03:02):
Right?

Speaker 6 (02:03:03):
Right? I think intention matters, and I think that like
how I feel about it is that like my politics
are my politics, My work is my work. There's intention
and spirit that all goes into it. However, Comma, this
is still capitalism. And I'm not a martyr, Like I'm

(02:03:24):
not going to starve, but I'm not going to hoard.

Speaker 1 (02:03:26):
Well, it's not even valuable to start, you know what
I mean, Like, it's not even valuable to starve, right, which.

Speaker 6 (02:03:32):
I feel like people on the left be like, and
I find this no shade, but this is just my work.
I find this very commonly with gen Z. They are
they take so personally that everything that they do needs
to be changing the world. And it's like, I can't

(02:03:55):
wait for them. Folks born in ninety nine to two
thousand and a half. They sat in return because I
need you guys to relax, Like.

Speaker 1 (02:04:04):
Well, here's the thing I know, Okay, I'm gonna kind
of disagree here, hit me. I think it's just that
there isn't a refinement. There isn't a refinement of their rage.
So it comes that you like, possess this thing, but
you don't know where to put it. And we're in

(02:04:25):
a time right now where you have abilities to put
everything everywhere all the gosh during time, and so I
think that what's gonna happen on that side of on
the other side of that side of return is a
refining of that. Like it's it's difficult when you are

(02:04:45):
It's like when you sober in a room of drunk people,
you're like, I see what you're trying to say, but
you're not there right now, because you're not there yet.
That's what it feels like as an elder a lot
of time in talking to folks who I'm like, I
see your heart, I see that, I see that, I
see why you want everything to be just. Yes. However,

(02:05:13):
there's okay, here's a great example. Okay, so there's an
organization called, I think Climate Defiance, and one of the
guys is a young white guy I think it might
be Jewish, and he was able to get into a

(02:05:33):
room with Wes Moore, who is the.

Speaker 6 (02:05:37):
Governor of Maryland, Mayor of Maryland, governor.

Speaker 1 (02:05:40):
Governor of Merland. Yeah, he's the only black governor. And
so this is a private, like hotel room type, you know,
the type of thing where people pay just to be
able to have a conversation. So I would say there
may have been like six other people there, Like that's
how intimate it was. His distance, his distance from wes

(02:06:01):
Moore is no more than two feet, okay, And so
he's they have a video of him talking to wes
Moore and he's like, oh I met you at this
place Da da da da da, and west like, oh
I remember, and he was like, and now you are

(02:06:21):
a yellow belly like he started coming at.

Speaker 6 (02:06:26):
Him the soal.

Speaker 1 (02:06:29):
And so then immediately the security like took him out
and that was the end of it. And so I
had said in the comments, I feel like this was
a missed opportunity because like you got to the to
the fire before you got him to flame himself. And
so many people in the comments were.

Speaker 3 (02:06:47):
Like, you don't understand, you are a.

Speaker 1 (02:06:51):
Lib et cetera. And what I was trying to say was,
you know, they're like you old lady like that. We're
not like yeah, like we're not looking for conversation, but
the comp the comp What I was saying about conversation
was I feel like there was an opportunity to get
him on tape playing himself if that was the goal.

Speaker 6 (02:07:12):
But it's so performative. That's my point, Like that was
a performance. It did not change anything other than but.

Speaker 1 (02:07:21):
That was the argument that they had back that they
were like, this is we embarrassed him. He feels some
type of way we have to shame them, And I said,
I don't know, I don't necessarily feel that. They felt
that in that moment, right, that he shouldn't have gotten
hemmed up. And I was like, you're in a room
two feet away from somebody, you see security there. If

(02:07:43):
you start insulting them, whoever they are, security absolutely needs
to hem you up because folks be doing all types
of things.

Speaker 6 (02:07:51):
Absolutely, no, that's true.

Speaker 1 (02:07:53):
And so there was a difference I feel generationally, uh
that it was like, oh, so like this is not
really there's no argument really here, right, there's like approach
and I there, I have grown out of Gryffindor into
raven claw. I am not a I have grown out
of brute courage into.

Speaker 6 (02:08:17):
Strategy. You just describe. Yo, this is why I love
divination for liberation because you just described that exact generation
that I'm talking about. They have saturn and ares and
aries is all about force. It is all about If
it's not happening, it's because I didn't do it, and
it is my responsibility to make it happen. And if

(02:08:38):
I can't do it is because I'm not strong enough,
I'm not loud enough, right, And the opposite of that
is libra, which is literally strategy. So when they have
those born in ninety nine, ninety eight, ninety nine, two thousand,
when they have their Saturn return in twenty twenty eight,
stuff like that, whatever, that's what's going to be at play.

(02:09:02):
And I really think that, like right now, like we
literally are in a similar astrological point like what we
just saw with Mom Donnie. Now, like I think by
the time we get to twenty twenty eight, that's going
to be much bigger and more expanded. And I think, yeah,
and I think our challenge is going to be that,
like just know, and this is not because I'm trying

(02:09:24):
to shit on anybody's parade and that like I'm a
negative Nancy.

Speaker 1 (02:09:28):
Already know where this is going because they already accused
it today.

Speaker 6 (02:09:33):
But just know that Mom Donnie is like government cheese
on government bread after you haven't eaten for like five months,
Like it tastes so delicious because you're starving, But it

(02:09:54):
is absolutely the bare minimum. And this is not an
indictment of my Donnie.

Speaker 1 (02:10:01):
Even if it was, that would be fine. We have
to stop acting like these people are impervious to critique.

Speaker 6 (02:10:07):
Well, I just mean that reading the bigger picture of
this moment, he wins because that's where he is, right
Like if we really asked, if he really asked for
what the right thing is, like dissolve private utility companies? Yes,
right like if he because that's what we need to

(02:10:29):
be on, Like fuck trying to get these people to
charge us less.

Speaker 1 (02:10:34):
Money, no exact dissolving and make it.

Speaker 6 (02:10:37):
Publicly owned, right like if he asked her that we
don't get hi, mom, Donnie right, he's he's lightweight, beginner
remedial socialism.

Speaker 1 (02:10:50):
And so wait, no, what was that?

Speaker 2 (02:10:59):
What was that?

Speaker 1 (02:11:00):
All I'm trying to say is that, like.

Speaker 6 (02:11:07):
Again, the government cheese sandwich tastes incredible when you're starving,
but you should get to have some lobster, even if
you are on a SAM.

Speaker 1 (02:11:19):
So this is a commentary. I see a lot of
times when people will say things like I think we
all know this, though no don't. And it is beyond yeah,
beyond my scope of comprehension. How often I see people
make a wee statement that is so very obviously not

(02:11:41):
the case. Your individual ability to glean that is not
a shared ability that is gleaned by the masses.

Speaker 6 (02:11:49):
We that man was in the isle at like Sam's Club,
dancing on TikTok because it was empty because Snap people
with benefits were quote clogging up the aisles, and that
was a black man. Like people genuinely believe that you
should starve if you don't have a job.

Speaker 1 (02:12:10):
Mind you, it's something nuts like sixty percent or forty
percent of people on Snap have jobs?

Speaker 6 (02:12:17):
Right, Most people do, and most of them work for
McDonald's and Walmart, like please, right.

Speaker 1 (02:12:24):
The reason that people are on Snap is because minimum
wage still remains on a federal level at seven twenty five,
and they refuse to raise it, right, and even the
conversations of raising it don't raise it to where it
should be.

Speaker 6 (02:12:35):
It really should be like thirty dollars an hour correctly.

Speaker 1 (02:12:38):
Correct. So I say all this like you to just say,
you know, it's not it's not a negative Nancy as
much as it's just reality, Ruthie yo.

Speaker 6 (02:12:51):
And I was you read my mind, Amanda, because I
was literally about to say, like, don't misunderstand the role
and function that people like you and I play, right,
our I'm not a hope dealer, We're not like translators.

(02:13:12):
Say it again, for the for the Saints and the
backpew Amanda.

Speaker 1 (02:13:15):
We are truths translators.

Speaker 6 (02:13:19):
I call what I do sanity making, because literally, you're
having an experience that you don't have the language for,
and you don't have the language for that on purpose,
you're using the language that is accessible to you, even
though it doesn't fully describe. So when I say to like,

(02:13:43):
you know people who have siberial scorpio, like you've been alienated, right,
like you're tokenized because you're black. They're like, yeah, that's
in my chart. Absolutely absolutely you senior chart, and this
is how you're gonna make money x y Z right.
Because these are the real material conditions that we're living in.

(02:14:03):
I know that I can say certain things because I
look like this period. I can say things that make
people upset because I look like this, like please.

Speaker 2 (02:14:17):
Look, I get it.

Speaker 6 (02:14:20):
Because I know, like, no, like this is real top.
I know that if I had on some more pounds
and my skin was darker, people would have all types
of names for me. Say the exact same sequence.

Speaker 1 (02:14:34):
Of words, I think because I'm light skiing and it's
the same exactly they like no, I'm like I'm saying
the same and they're like nope.

Speaker 6 (02:14:47):
Yo, And like I'd be sitting there watching your videos
and I'll be like, do you why they talking to
her like that?

Speaker 4 (02:14:53):
Like I literally just said the same thing, like to
the point that you gotta put my face on your page,
literally saying not only the exact same thing, but in
the same cadence you would say it.

Speaker 1 (02:15:09):
Tonality and in the same tone, and you in the
camera I'm loud and I'm and they're just like right,
I'm just like, you guys are racist, you guys are
anti black. I mean, it's really it's it's really just

(02:15:29):
I mean, it's it's white supremacy, right, Like I look
to some people, I look like a white woman trying
to tell them what to do. You know, I look
like privilege trying to tell them what to do. That
that's how it.

Speaker 6 (02:15:41):
Gets there, Like just go enjoy being light skinned.

Speaker 1 (02:15:44):
That's oh, that's the people have told me that, literally,
like that's insane. And I'm like, I don't even.

Speaker 3 (02:15:54):
This is just will shut up.

Speaker 6 (02:15:57):
And black people come in all shades like I'm everybody
to stop playing that, Like, but you know, anti blackness
is is is a core tenet of surviving this society. Like,
you cannot survive this society unless you are anti black.

(02:16:19):
You can't, absolutely, But we're surviving because it is just
a little bit. It's in the same way that you
can't survive capitalism without selling your labor.

Speaker 1 (02:16:40):
I'm not anti black. I'm anti I'm anti dumb stuff.
I'm okay, I'm just I'm anti. I'm anti but I
say okay. So the thing about it, though, is that
I feel like it's like I'm anti the thing and

(02:17:01):
it just happens to be black people doing the thing.

Speaker 6 (02:17:03):
Let me break it down for you. I am anti exploitation,
but in order to survive capitalism, I have to participate
in exploitation. My personal politic, the ideal that I hold
for myself, embraces and celebrates and joys in blackness. But

(02:17:24):
to survive this anti black society, I have to participate
in anti blackness.

Speaker 1 (02:17:28):
Explain, how are you anti.

Speaker 6 (02:17:29):
Black because capitalism is anti black?

Speaker 1 (02:17:35):
Okay, Well, that's simple.

Speaker 6 (02:17:37):
I think there's anti black, so it's not my personal politics.

Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
There's also a flip about that, though, because the anti
blackness ends in many cases need requiring a centering of
blackness that is being ignored, and so by you even
having to center the blackness in spaces where it's it's like,
why why do we even have to do that?

Speaker 6 (02:18:01):
Right? Why does this have to be the central subject
of the conversation.

Speaker 1 (02:18:05):
You're still participating because it's what it is right like
to not meet someone say you anti broke, don't polo
travel solo? Sound like Andy bro that.

Speaker 6 (02:18:19):
Was We'll talk. But I the reason why I frame
it that way is not in some kind of gotcha,
but to understand what the stakes are and to articulate that, like,
these systems are all consuming to a point that to
survive it wires your participation.

Speaker 1 (02:18:42):
So there's a venue that I'm talking to about doing
a book reading app and they were like, you know,
so what do you have for the cost? You know,
what do you want to do for the split? Et cetera,
et cetera. And I was like, so, I don't have
a job, you know, like I don't have a I

(02:19:03):
don't have a job.

Speaker 6 (02:19:04):
So I'm in a job.

Speaker 2 (02:19:07):
This is the job.

Speaker 1 (02:19:08):
So I was like, you know, in order for me
to continue this, this this growth space outside of the
traditional minerals, capitalism and channels of capitalism, like I need
a little bit of help, and they made the decision

(02:19:31):
to say so. Then we're gonna handle this differently based
on understanding that if we don't think that way, we
continue to perpetuate the same system that we are claiming
that we want to disrupt or that we want to destabilize. Like,
if we're not using the capitalism to undermine it, what
are we doing? Like that's like, like that's really to

(02:19:54):
me at the end of the day, what it boils
down to, and we're trying to figure this out. It's
your bil a plane while flying it. Unless they come
in disrupt unless the aliens come, and whish they might,
because there's a whole there's a thing that's out there
right now that I've heard about that.

Speaker 6 (02:20:11):
I feel like every time the shit started getting good
and crazy around here, they'd be like, ooh, the alien's coming.

Speaker 1 (02:20:17):
I mean, yes, but I also think the aliens to
be coming, because you got it.

Speaker 6 (02:20:22):
Also, the aliens are already here.

Speaker 1 (02:20:25):
They're very much here. Don't get me, don't let me
go down this road.

Speaker 6 (02:20:28):
I'm not And that's why I'm just letting me go.
I'm letting go. I'm down this road.

Speaker 1 (02:20:33):
I don't let me go down this road. I would
run down this road. I will put my backpack on.
I would bring with myself some snacks so I could
stay on that road.

Speaker 6 (02:20:43):
You know how you'd be like truth is my religion.
And I know our time is running out, But you
know how you be like truth is my religion. I
feel the same way. And I feel like it doesn't
matter whose mouth it comes out of. Like that's the
difference between.

Speaker 1 (02:20:56):
Me and a lot of people in Madison.

Speaker 6 (02:20:59):
I will hear what some quote problematic people have to say.
I don't have to uplift their voice. I don't have
to lend them any credibility. But like, for example, no.

Speaker 1 (02:21:13):
Nope, nope, do that on your channel.

Speaker 6 (02:21:23):
And I will join me at the Demnation for Liberation podcast,
Every New and Full Mood.

Speaker 1 (02:21:31):
Get you the ninth annual edition.

Speaker 6 (02:21:35):
Amanda said, she snatched up in front of my face.
We won't.

Speaker 1 (02:21:44):
Nope, y'all, you know what to do? Thank you these
Sometimes I don't think we well not. Sometimes it's just
the world we're in. We do not really acknowledge how
important it is to just have conversation. Yep, because people
want to have all these like, so what's the solotion?

(02:22:07):
I'm like, how are you arriving there?

Speaker 6 (02:22:10):
People used to just go sit at the community center
every Thursday and have a meal because they was hungry,
and then they having conversation and that's how to be
their shit, Like uh oh, I can't even remember what
the book is, but you know where they're trying to
flesh out. Do we need a vanguard party or do
we need thank you, Yes, it's casual. It's not let's curate.

(02:22:33):
Oh you know, i'd be not to Gorie not going.

Speaker 2 (02:22:36):
But you know what it is.

Speaker 1 (02:22:37):
And we had these two brothers on here from the Coalition, No,
from the Alliance of Boys and Men of Color, and
they were talking about how they learned in their coalition
work that none of the work is really valuable until
people see each other as people. And I was like, oh,

(02:22:57):
like thinking he meant like, you know, these the ruling
party doesn't see us as people. He was like, no, no, no,
I mean like each other. Like we literally have to
spend the first day of the retreat just hang out,
like talking about like doing the trust falls.

Speaker 6 (02:23:14):
Sharing chebreakers, all that stuff.

Speaker 1 (02:23:17):
Because he was like, the rapport has to be more
than just this is the work I do. What is
the work you do? Like, there has to be some
more teeth in there to really bring us up, to
bring us along, and that brings us all the way
around to trust, like you can't. I don't people be
trying to build revolutions with folks that they don't even

(02:23:40):
know who their real name is and picture on Instagram
and I'm just like, I can only go so far.
Don't put me out voice notes if I don't know
what you look like and I don't know your real name, don't.

Speaker 6 (02:23:49):
Yeah, like And I think that's like the trick of
the Internet that it confuses you about who your neighbors are,
like your neighbors.

Speaker 1 (02:23:59):
That's why I'm happy to go out on the road
right now, even though the Zionists are coming from me,
because every time I go out in the world, I
am reminded like, oh.

Speaker 6 (02:24:08):
Oh, people right, humans breathing, living.

Speaker 4 (02:24:12):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (02:24:13):
One time I went to I gotta have to go
to the bathroom on a flight and a woman stopped
me like literally, Like I was like, I want to pray.

Speaker 6 (02:24:24):
And the saints be aggressive with their prayer, But okay.

Speaker 1 (02:24:27):
I allowed it.

Speaker 6 (02:24:28):
I know that's right.

Speaker 1 (02:24:29):
I loud it. You know, whenever I'm in the world,
I feel like y'all be really making it your business
to be like, hey, hey, I love you.

Speaker 6 (02:24:36):
Yeah, the Internet is not I'm not gonna say it's
not real, because it.

Speaker 1 (02:24:39):
Is real, but no, it's a different kind of Well,
you have bots, so it's a psyop right.

Speaker 6 (02:24:46):
Like the things that again, the things that people think
is their opinion, because people gravitate towards the loudest voice
and the thing that most people are saying. So if
most of the people that are saying it are bots, and.

Speaker 1 (02:25:01):
The algorithm encourages that, like you're not even having a
real experience of information because something is driving things to you.

Speaker 6 (02:25:10):
Right, And I think that like in terms of surviving
this era that we've entered of AI, of bots, of algorithms,
like building in person relationship, like you got to know
people's name.

Speaker 1 (02:25:28):
That's what I'm saying. Why we did the Amandland Summit.
We did the Amandeland Summit because people who are here
in this chat every week were like, we need to
see each other in person.

Speaker 6 (02:25:40):
Damn I is it?

Speaker 1 (02:25:41):
So I created I did an Amandoland summit here in
New York, and you know, I was so happy to
see how happy folks were to just be able to
like face you know, put face cards to people and
be able to just sit and talk not necessarily have
to strategize and organize and you know, but then at
the same time also be able to have those conversations

(02:26:03):
and learn.

Speaker 2 (02:26:04):
You know.

Speaker 1 (02:26:04):
So those those those are not those are not under
those are not underrated. Those are all those are underrated spaces.

Speaker 6 (02:26:14):
Yeah, yeah, and the Internet. I mean, obviously after twenty twenty,
the Internet kind of really took over it and being
like the third space.

Speaker 1 (02:26:26):
Like shout out to Marley dis Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:26:29):
Like it took over like it was alreadio that trajectory,
but it became the only space.

Speaker 1 (02:26:35):
I uess it as a third space.

Speaker 2 (02:26:38):
I do too, Okay, like we own it.

Speaker 1 (02:26:43):
We own here right now, but we be on Hadrian
having a blast.

Speaker 6 (02:26:47):
Listen.

Speaker 2 (02:26:48):
Listen.

Speaker 6 (02:26:49):
I got my Podia, I got my podcast, I got
my Instagram, got me YouTube, that all of the things.
And I'm grateful because I have. I'm surviving because of
this third space, like I have over my head and
plants that need to be watered in a full belly
because of this third space. However, common right when it
comes to like there's no replacement for in person eye

(02:27:13):
contact and the mirror neurons and the nervous system affecting
each other. Like, it's just no replacement for that where
you can really feel somebody's intention.

Speaker 1 (02:27:27):
Period card. And I will end that with a little story.
Last night, I went to my storage unit and there
was this man who was like moving things from one
unit to another, and he had this lamp and I
was like, damn, I let that lamp. But I just
let it go.

Speaker 6 (02:27:45):
I let it go.

Speaker 1 (02:27:45):
I let it go. But then I had to like
make two trips and I saw the lamp again. So
finally it's like, I like that lamp.

Speaker 3 (02:27:51):
And he was like, oh this lamp.

Speaker 1 (02:27:54):
He is from Finland. I can't do the accent. But
and he was like, oh this is my wife. He's like, oh,
you know, I'm moving. We're moving. And so we started
talking chit chatting, and I had on a shirt that
said Israel is a settler colony. And then he said,
oh your shirt. You're wearing a shirt praising Israel. And

(02:28:16):
I stopped and it was like, okay, he got you.

Speaker 6 (02:28:19):
He he.

Speaker 1 (02:28:22):
Are we going with this? We in the storage unit, right,
And I said no, do you see what this shirt says?
This is a shirt that is pro Palestine. And he
was like, that is a good shirt. Right, could have
went another way, went another way, and so we ended

(02:28:43):
up having a really nice conversation. And when he was leaving,
he was like, I'm gonna give you my cards because
it was just so nice to be able to have
this conversation out loud and not just I was like, yes,
I understand in that excit, that's I understand. Well, thank
you so much for joining. You know, they love when

(02:29:04):
we key. They love to watch The People's Oracle and
a Mandicole key.

Speaker 6 (02:29:09):
And another time we're gonna have to have our own
show and I don't know what it's gonna look like,
but it'll be fun.

Speaker 1 (02:29:15):
It'll be much. People so much they're not gonna be
able to help themselves.

Speaker 6 (02:29:23):
Two black women loud mouths my.

Speaker 2 (02:29:26):
Light skin privilege.

Speaker 6 (02:29:28):
I would give you, I give you some of my brown.

Speaker 1 (02:29:31):
I've said it. It's fucking up my messaging.

Speaker 6 (02:29:35):
Oh that's just so sad. For truth it is it is.

Speaker 1 (02:29:38):
You have a fabulous one and you all know what
to do. Go to get your guide at shop the
Shop Dot The People's Oracle dot Com.

Speaker 6 (02:29:44):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (02:29:47):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, that was a good time, y'all. I
told you we were gonna have a short show today,
so let's get into.

Speaker 2 (02:29:59):
Key.

Speaker 1 (02:30:07):
So for a lot of people, they feel like they
had a win in Zoron Mamdani securing the mayorship of
New York, and I don't discount that at all. I
just want to always remind us that we are the win.

(02:30:31):
Zora Mamdani won the mayorship of New York because of
the people. He didn't take money from Israel lobbies, he
didn't take money from oil lobbies. He won because the
people made it possible for him to win. And what
I get concerned about is that the people are cheering

(02:30:55):
on Mamdanni, not cheering on the people, and that that
is what I always want to remind us. So when
I ask folks, what are you going to do different
on the other side of this and not making him
a savior, what I am saying is how are we
going to continue to engage as a populist that is informed,

(02:31:19):
as a populist that is demanding, as a populist that
is unshaking on what we want to see for our leadership.
The fact is government is continuously moving in a direction
of we are going to do what we want, we
are going to move how we want, and ever so

(02:31:40):
often we're going to come and ask you to make
it possible for us to do that. But the truth
is there are factions that are always going to make
it possible to do that. So how do we as
a people then become more powerful than those factions? If
we don't have the money, then how do we do it?

(02:32:02):
And that is the part that a lot of people
are not understanding. They're thinking that if we are simply
putting the right person in office, then that was the job. No,
in this particular government, we are, in this particular country.

(02:32:26):
Putting the best possible option of people in government is
what allows us to do what we would do regardless
of if there's a government. That is how I frame today.

(02:32:47):
This is a very positive outcome that does present the
possibility of more positive shifts that will only happen if

(02:33:08):
we the people, remain in position and not become shift lists.

Speaker 3 (02:33:19):
Amens, Hey, it's been a great one.

Speaker 1 (02:33:35):
I have a great time with you all today. This
is a different kind of episode. Episode. Often we gotta
switch it up, and I appreciate y'all just riding with me, right,
just going on with a rap with me. Yes, as
Meghan said, hit the light button before you go, and
you know, go down to those comments and comments. Shout
up to our replay crew for joining us, to everybody
who's listening on the podcast, and shout out to everybody

(02:33:56):
who blessed us with a super You are so appreciated
here at the Amanda Seals, I mean, no here at
us for a man Land show we operate on you know,
the love of y'all. And also pick ups to Dana
lin Knuckles the People's Oracle as well as Jesse Mechanic.
I mean, we had such a vibrant conversation today. It
was the complete opposite of every other conversation you are

(02:34:19):
going to hear that is related to the political happenings
of today, and that was my goal. I will see
you all in San Diego tomorrow, and I hope to
see you all also in Detroit and the Wayne County
Community College Community College District, the Curtis l Ivory Downtown campus.

(02:34:42):
I will also be in Chicago in the seed all right,
south side, all right, and then I'm also going to
be in Seattle now in Seattle is where the Zionists
are really trying to shut me down. They're trying to
do everything in their power to make it not. How so,
I would love to see you all shut them down

(02:35:03):
by showing up and we'll have a great talk, a
great book signing, and all the above. Remember also on
the eighth I will be doing my live stream performance
of what would the Ancestors Say? And you can get
your tickets at Amanda Seals dot com. Support a real one.
And last, not least, if you just so happened to

(02:35:23):
be balling like that, I am doing a turkey drive
for the Saint Jean Delivering's Church in Nyack, New York.
If you can donate a turkey, if you live in
the proximity, bring one by. If not, just go online
order a turkey and have it delivered to the address
right there. Thank you all again for being the amazing

(02:35:44):
folks that you are. We had such a high viewership
today that I really appreciate people sticking around when they
realized that I would not be talking about what everybody
was talking about, because I know they wanted to hear
me talk about it, and they did not get what
they thought because I know people be thinking I'm gonna
be angry and blah blah blah blah blah because people
don't understand. They don't understand. But we understand, okay. And

(02:36:07):
when I say, we see me myself and I I
know what I'm doing, I know where I'm at, and
I can't wait to see y'all soon and be there
with you. I'm a second, as I sayness.

Speaker 7 (02:37:00):
A man now against am am, now against no Amas,
no

Speaker 1 (02:37:23):
By the end,

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