TO VOTE ARE NOT TO VOTE [EP 91]

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
A topical.

Speaker 2 (00:06):
Filter and independent. And so I'm here in San Diego
for the first stop on the what would the ancestors say,
mission driven book tour, and I'm being treated really lovely

(00:29):
and it feels beautiful, and folks are shown up. We
have now become the tools of capitalism in a mental form.
And I'm not saying anything that hasn't already been set

(00:51):
like this is not like, oh my gosh, she cracked
a cult aal.

Speaker 3 (00:57):
It ain't.

Speaker 2 (00:59):
However, the code continues to require cracking. They keep coming
up with new codes. And because so many of us
do not see that, we don't prevent it. Baby, we
knew we were free.

Speaker 3 (01:20):
That was the talk of the time, she.

Speaker 2 (01:24):
Man, when we heard about that Lincoln about to bring that.

Speaker 4 (01:28):
And that's a fake, proper men, it's the fact that
someone over here went stupid because you're correct.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
They say books won't change the world. Tell that to
every colonizer that burned them.

Speaker 3 (01:53):
Look at this, they have a free uh bookshelf right here.
I burst into books.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
You having a space like this in this neighborhood with
a bookshelf for free book from most outside his handing out,
So the.

Speaker 5 (02:13):
People, not y'all having a actual table.

Speaker 2 (02:25):
Many black folks who've served in the Civil War have
said it the first time that they felt like they
were seen by white holtes because they hadn't done name.
They were seen as a threat, but they were also
seen as capable.

Speaker 6 (02:37):
Do it.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Come on over come, say hi, get you a book
and get it signed. While I'm not here in the shy.

Speaker 7 (02:47):
We had our gods, we had our land, and we
were strict from that, and we were forced to establish
something brand new here in spite of the constant right
of death, depredation, and terrorism, and somehow we managed to
form blackness.

Speaker 3 (03:09):
Now, they may have given us the name, but we
gave blackness the South.

Speaker 2 (03:13):
But tell us how we can really utilize what you
put in a book as a resource and tool in
reference gid.

Speaker 5 (03:25):
M mine.

Speaker 8 (03:30):
Is not.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
But we don't have to stay here. We know somebody else.

Speaker 6 (03:36):
We mold the more.

Speaker 9 (03:39):
Of imagination. Did you use lose somewhere that I'm just
aided anything that we can be.

Speaker 5 (03:59):
Good for those of us who want to desire her
and others.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
What advice do you have?

Speaker 3 (04:11):
Do you.

Speaker 4 (04:14):
Demonstrate courage?

Speaker 2 (04:16):
We know that folks are not on it, so you're like, come,
let's do courage guys, and they're like, like, you know
it's folks are like, I'm busy, you know, I have
a hair appoint then I can't do courage today. I
don't even know the next time she's gonna be free,

(04:37):
Like I just I can't. Who's gonna be there that courage?

Speaker 3 (04:55):
What's up y'all?

Speaker 8 (05:06):
You see my energy today?

Speaker 2 (05:23):
So you know, every morning on Wednesday, I get up
and I write the show, and I always have like
a vision in mind of you know, I put the
show together and all the things I gotta tell y'all

(05:50):
that I'm not even gonna front. This is one of
the rare times where I was putting the show together
and I was just like, I don't really know how
we gonna make it, yeap, I really And it's really

(06:17):
only because we really only have.

Speaker 3 (06:22):
To major issues that need to get dealt with climate
and Zionism.

Speaker 2 (06:40):
I'm not saying that there aren't a multitude of other issues,
but those, for me, those are the because both of
those include in their roots, you know, they they they're there,
they are the root, and both of those have branches

(07:02):
that include everything that we talk about. But boy, Israel
is really coming for us, And when I say us,
I mean the world because they're already here. I don't
know if y'all any of y'all garden or if any

(07:23):
y'all know about grasshoppers walk with me. So there's these
grasshoppers called lobba, and I mean it's basically like locusts.
They are in the ground and then they pop out
and it's an infestation and you're like, oh, y'all, niggas

(07:46):
was here the whole time. And when they pop out.
First they pop out and they're a little cute.

Speaker 6 (07:51):
Little.

Speaker 3 (07:53):
Little larva not larva.

Speaker 2 (07:55):
But they're cute, little little hoppy hops and you're.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
Like, oh my god, y'all are so cute.

Speaker 2 (08:00):
But then they start eating up everything and you're like, man,
like you you you cute? Well you really destroying shit.
But they're small and you can kind of manage it.

Speaker 3 (08:12):
But then.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
They get big and they start running the show. And
that really is Israel, and we're in there there running
the show phase and so many folks don't see it,
and I see it like a twenty seven in Zenith

(08:35):
believe it.

Speaker 3 (08:38):
And it is deeply disturbing. Like I had a whole plan.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
We have Brandon regular revolutionary on the show today. I
sent him three topics, Brandon, I'm telling you now, I
don't know if we're talking about them topics.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
But then you know, Brandon, he got thoughts on many things.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
So honestly, I could really just be like, take it away.
He's nodding his head like, yeah, I actually do. So
that may have to be what happened, because your girl
brain my brain right now.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
I don't.

Speaker 2 (09:11):
I typically get it together by the end of the show,
but at the beginning right now. First of all, I
went to get a macha and it was not good,
and I've been drinking it regardless to try to get
the energy.

Speaker 3 (09:25):
But I think the water was burnt. Which can you burn? Water?
Can you burn? I'm a milk I guess.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I also learned yesterday from Brianna Joy Gray that apparently
oat milk is terrible for you. So that being said,

(09:55):
some of the things we're gonna talk about today is
the fact that the ceasefire has not ended.

Speaker 3 (10:00):
There's no ceasefire. That was just a ruse. Well you
see what I'm talking about.

Speaker 4 (10:13):
I'm so like.

Speaker 3 (10:16):
I am, I am pensive, and.

Speaker 2 (10:21):
This is just this is gonna be a lot of
information today. It's not really gonna be a lot of processing.
I'm just gonna throw a lot at you. I'm gonna
I'm gonna throw a lot at you. And and that's
what we're going to. So let's find out who's here.

Speaker 10 (10:46):
Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, I am coming at you.

Speaker 2 (10:56):
Live from the District of Columbia. So shout out to
all of us out here. I'm Ina Landers here and
learned dropped there to tell me where you're watching from.

Speaker 3 (11:07):
We got Detroit in the house.

Speaker 6 (11:09):
What up?

Speaker 8 (11:09):
THO?

Speaker 3 (11:11):
Susan's checking in from Baltimore, Merlin. I'll be over there
later today.

Speaker 2 (11:15):
San Jose, Lights Out, Texas, Tennessee, Cleveland, Ohio, Durham, North Carolina,
Kearnie Mason, San Diego, Rochester, New York, Brotherland, Philly, Saint Louis, Missouri, Nashville,
h Time. Where I'll be next week? Atlanta, I'll be
there next week too. Fairfax, Virginia, a brisk and sunny

(11:36):
to eight degrees in London, oh God Tech Called City,
Michigan City, National, California, and Gastonia, North Carolina, alexandri Vah,
Funking Town, Fort Worth, Phoenix, Redlands, California, Everett, Massachusetts, another
San Diego, how meds in Saint Louis.

Speaker 3 (11:57):
What's she gonna be?

Speaker 8 (11:57):
See?

Speaker 11 (11:58):
Thank you?

Speaker 2 (11:58):
They said last night Anythingandeland Berners here to learn?

Speaker 12 (12:03):
Drop and tell me where you're watching him from.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Wit women of cag Territory in Moscow, Go, Antario, Greenville,
North Carolina, and Rupe of Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (12:13):
Shout you miss Debbie long guy in New York. Why
not make it go? Clemen looking down?

Speaker 8 (12:24):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (12:24):
Actually necessary Switzerland? Sun up to you, Oakland, Charlotte. No, yeah,
I'm at the land.

Speaker 8 (12:33):
Does he learned?

Speaker 3 (12:34):
Drop and tell me where are your watch? Pomix?

Speaker 12 (12:38):
The chat is moving. Oh as the last I'll tell
you where I'm like, I'm capital. I will be bart
to Berlin later today. So if you did not get
an R s v P, it's not good. Coming to
it seven and get your book and get it signed. Also,
shout out to everybody who was here last night.

Speaker 3 (12:59):
Thus we had a really great time.

Speaker 12 (13:03):
Yeah, I really enjoyed it because I got to also
have a one on one within all the owner of
us poets and we got to just pick it.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (13:13):
The MC was a lot. It was a lot, but
we candled it.

Speaker 2 (13:19):
So shout out to everyone still checking in Colombia, Boyden,
Virginia and the like, and uh, we don't have a
word of the day.

Speaker 3 (13:27):
I'm off. I'm just not with it today, So you're
just gonna have to deal with that. I'm not with
it today.

Speaker 2 (13:32):
But that doesn't change the fact that we have a
guest and Brandon is about to come on right now,
Hold on one second, I am off.

Speaker 3 (13:42):
My square.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
Sixty went the news right leg La, Hello.

Speaker 13 (13:57):
Brandon, what's going on? What's going on?

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Brandon? Let's give you your supplies. So what's that? What's that?
I know you got thoughts on things.

Speaker 14 (14:11):
Of course, always recently, the thing that's been that's been
at the top of mind for me is there's been
a lot of like suppression, especially on these like apps
that people tend to cling to for this sort of information,
and that's been a bit difficult to navigate in terms
of like, how is the best way to still present
the people with the knowledge and the information that they

(14:33):
need when the means that we usually use to you know,
divvy out the information is being suppressed. So that's been
at the top of mine recently, and.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
So how how have you been experiencing that?

Speaker 13 (14:46):
For myself?

Speaker 14 (14:47):
Just a very apparent like drop in terms of my
views recently. But with that being said, I've kind of
like built community in other ways, like I have mutuals
that are kind of tapped into the network, and through them,
I've been able to still contribute to I feel like
fruitful conversation and it's just pivoting as it comes.

Speaker 3 (15:07):
What do you think the suppression is attributed to.

Speaker 14 (15:10):
I think the most glaring thing, especially with TikTok, as
we look to the top of the year, when it
was a bit contested as to whether or not the
app would still be available in the US, and then
it was kind of bought or some like back behind
the scenes deals were cut, and I think since then
it's been pretty apparent that probably played a role in

(15:32):
terms of how the algorithm's going now.

Speaker 3 (15:34):
Yeah, but what is what was that about?

Speaker 14 (15:37):
Oh, that initially I believe was due to their to
your conversation or to your points earlier around Zionism, to
their being such like like a tangible level of outreach
in terms of like the conversation around the en campus
and everything and so on and so forth that was
spearheaded by TikTok, and I think that's when people were saying, Oh, yeah,
we have to like actually address this because it's having

(15:59):
like real comes quinces.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Well, let's listen to what this jackass has to say
about it.

Speaker 15 (16:05):
Students, smart, well educated young people from our own country,
from around the world. Where were they getting their information.
They were getting their information from social media, particularly TikTok.
That is where they were learning about what happened on
October seventh, what happened in the you know, days, weeks

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and months to follow. That's a serious problem. It's a
serious problem for democracy, whether it's Israel, the United States,
and it's a serious problem for our young people. And
it was Frank.

Speaker 16 (16:40):
Now, yeah, it really gets my goat.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
And they use buzzwords like democracy. How is that a
problem for our democracy? That's literally indicative of a democracy.

Speaker 14 (17:03):
Yeah, but of course, and that's glaringly obvious to me.
You know, goes back to that old saying of you know,
the system's not broken, it's working for who it's meant
to for who is supposed to work for. And I
think when we look at that, like I got a
couple of my little degrees behind me now, but it's
just like be it with TikTok whatever, these platforms are
we have like the most educated populist we ever have had,

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so to suggest that these people that are speaking on
these algorithms and on these platforms have garnered them and
do not have possess any like you know, quantitative training, and.

Speaker 13 (17:36):
That's just that's just not true, that that's hearsay, you know.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
But so.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
I saw a story of a guy in Texas who
was actually being charged with a felony and like there's
like time possibly attached to him creating a.

Speaker 13 (17:57):
Zine, you know, the zine is yes, I am yes.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
So for those who don't.

Speaker 2 (18:02):
Know, zines are essentially independent and and they're like pamphlets,
but that are propaganda, but it's propaganda that is anti
fascist propaganda. They are typically politically based and have messaging

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that is passed through networks in an organic way. And
so this man, because in the First Amendment we're allowed
to do that, they essentially are charging him because someone
was transporting his zines and got arrested at a protest,

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and they attached that they were transporting the zines to
the arrest in some form or fashion. And so that's
already an attempt to crack down on the spaces is
that people are going to eventually go back to once
these spaces are no longer available. And I would also

(19:06):
add that when you came on last time and you
were talking about Meta, I mean no, you were talking
about Musk and what they're building in Memphis.

Speaker 3 (19:18):
Yeah, all of that ends up connecting because.

Speaker 2 (19:20):
That is attached to AI, and AI is now going
to render these apps. I mean it's maybe a bit alarmist,
but you're not going to be able to know what's
real or not.

Speaker 14 (19:33):
Yeah, And I mean I don't think that's hyperbolic in
any sense or any capacity. You know, that's very real,
and especially me being in the classroom now and having
had time with my students and seeing the way in
which they rely on artificial intelligence, because it is something
that they're like, it's a part of their foundational understanding

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of just society at large. And I know, without a
shadow of a doubt they will not be able to
tell three to five years what is real or what
is and what's credible, especially like I'm ready to be
in the classroom now we're talking about like, oh, where'd
you get the information from? Cause now you look something
up on Google, the first thing that comes up is
the AI overview, and people just take that to be gospel,

(20:15):
and I'm like, well, what's the source. You know, let's check,
let's see what their credentials are, because there are people
behind these algorithms that have their own vested interests. And
it's those lines that you're talking about, and the fact
that they're like accrediting whoever it was in Texas to
the equivalent like carrying contraband yes, what the accreditation was, Yeah,
And I mean it goes back to them. That's why

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I think it's understated, like how much we fought for
education to get it to where to where it is.
How how much of a criminal act it was, especially
on the plantations, to find a slave that was reading,
that was able to you know, discern these things that
are going on. I think that's something that we've lost.
We now have gotten to special. It's like if you
have money, or if you have some like notoriety, these

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are the things that we desire and so on and
so forth, and in that we've kind of like lost
our fervor for education and the tool for liberation that
it is.

Speaker 2 (21:10):
I mean, I'm watching Venezuela right now doing what it
seems like the best they can to try to basically
arm themselves for whatever's coming. Right, we're seeing that there
is an actual imminent strike, that a ground invasion or

(21:30):
from the sky, et cetera is impending. And even though
there seems to be, of course, no real plan.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
That we are able to see from Venezuela.

Speaker 2 (21:43):
Side on how they're going to fight this in like
a real challenging way, they're still like, but we still
don't fight.

Speaker 13 (21:49):
Though, absolutely absolutely right though.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
So you know, now there is this story that's come
out about heg Sath and I don't know if you
all know that there was another boat strike and there
were survivors who were clinging to wreckage, and the word
on the street is that Pete Hegseth, the head of
the War Crimes Unit, no, the head of the war
unit the Department of War, gave a verbal order to

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quote unquote kill them all, which is considered a war crime.
I don't know why it's not a considered a war
crime that you shot the boat in the first place. However,
it then became well, this could actually be a war crime,
and there's not going to be any way to get
around this, and so you know, we may have to

(22:38):
impeach hegseeth. And so you know, my question to you becomes,
when you're seeing these types of things, what does your
where does criminality?

Speaker 3 (22:52):
That's not the question I have for you. What are
you talking when you see that?

Speaker 14 (22:56):
I think for me, and I've been sitting with this
for a while, is like people disillusion to the establishment,
to the rule of loss on and so forth, because
these things don't have any teeth, these like consequences that
people say, oh, this could happen. You know, things have
been found to be crimes against humanity since I don't
know there were things to count them. Yeah, because we

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had the systems to do it. But it's really a
matter of you and what army and when we have
pete he said, in the protected position, and we do
not have a mean, like any means of actually enforcing that,
say decision came down. Who's to say they can't just say, oh,
well no and just move the gold post again. And

(23:38):
I think to that point, you really do have to
get a bit more creative, like with what Venezuela is describing.
And I think that's why so much of the history
of like Haiti and the history of a Cuba and
the history of these places that have fought successfully Vietnam,
that have fought successfully against imperialism with none of the technology,

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and so on and so forth. That's why that history
has been so hidden, because there is a way, and
it's real, it's not fantastical. So when I hear the
criminality of it all, I mean they're all criminals, you know,
the presidents of fell and so on and so forth.
It's not lost on me. And that's why with all
the talk around the Epstein files, it really doesn't move

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me very much. Not for the severity of the issue,
because it's incredibly serious, but they're they're criminal enough, you know,
it won't be a new thing that comes up that's like, oh,
this is the reason that everybody's gonna say, Oh, we can't,
we can't tolerate this anymore. So I think that's what
comes up for me is like, how do we actually
move to a space of holding these people accountable? And

(24:41):
what does that look like in a twenty first century
where you know they have access to nuclear arms and
you know, storming the Capitol isn't a viable option.

Speaker 3 (24:53):
Would you venture to say that all presidents of the
United States.

Speaker 14 (24:56):
Are criminals, at least war criminals out of stressed him,
like the things that they were doing in their foreign policy,
which everybody kind of just like throws in that hidden
box that nobody talks about with any sitting US president.
But yeah, I don't think we've had one that has
reached that position without having had to partake or at

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least look away from something that was absolutely a crime.
And if you're an accomplished then I hold you accounta
below the sign.

Speaker 3 (25:26):
Do you include Obama in that one percent?

Speaker 14 (25:29):
And this is something that you know, it gets me
on the hot seat when I talk to people a
lot of times because what he did, I mean, I
think and the data may be skewed now with everything
with ice, but for the time being, he deported the
most people in US history, like during his presidency. They
don't know that, like the kids in Cagus. Things started

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under Obama, you know, and we all attribute that to
Trump because you know, it fits the image more. And
he did it in such an egregious and nasty way.

Speaker 13 (25:58):
But Obaba did it.

Speaker 14 (26:00):
In a way that Malcolm said, the Democrats would you
know that they'll smile in your face and you know,
stab you in the back. And to me, I can
look at him a nuance of a person that appreciate
what he was and what he meant to black people
and to black.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
He means to black people because this and I just
want to this has nothing to do with it?

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Does everything? Has everything to do with anything? Yeah, because
this is.

Speaker 2 (26:20):
What's been concerning me about what limits our ability to
be able to even identify that there's a fight to
be fought his because what always ends up happening is
we turn to what he means for black people. Oh yeah, However,
I'm like, yeah, but what he quote unquote means for

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black people is also.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Made up, you know.

Speaker 14 (26:45):
Yeah, it's it's a fantasy, his Obama at this point
in a real way, it's black Jesus Like, it's not
even in the sense of like regardless as to whether
or not this was a real person who did these
things that people ascribe to him. The story I I
eventually remember at that time, I know, my grandmother like,
you know, Lord rest her soul, but she cried, you know,

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at the thought that like a black man like is
the president of this country? You know, and just conceptually
from a people that were enslaved to see that mind
you he is, I understand, and I hate to I
hate to pull the the puppet the rail back. Yeah,
I hate to tell him somebody pulling the strings.

Speaker 13 (27:25):
But let's just have it.

Speaker 14 (27:26):
Let's just talk about it for a second. Well, we'll
see it in that in that light. But yeah, in
terms of what you're asking with what he means to
black people, I think most people don't want to know
that he's not a descendant of chattel slavery. You know,
most people don't want to hear that that's not a
some of that you're gonna be applauded for at the

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Thanksgiving table.

Speaker 3 (27:51):
Thanksgiving.

Speaker 13 (27:53):
That's real, that's real. That's real. And I think like.

Speaker 14 (28:00):
In order to move that demographic, the demographic that I'm
referring to being those that say, oh Obama was this,
you know, amazing, so on and so forth, we should
all aspire to be the Obama's in our country, so
on and so forth. I think I can see that
the images. I guess, Okay, if you don't look too hard,

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if you squint and spend around three times and do
it from a thousand and nine of view, a black
man is the president. But if we're engaging with it critically.
If we're trying to get somewhere that's true liberation, that
can't be where it stops.

Speaker 2 (28:33):
You know, the president of trash Like, it's like, what
you're the president of is what matters? Right Like Adrian
is in here in our chat saying that she likes
seeing it. Just Alba as president in House of Dynamite,
he was also a warmongering regular president, So then we
have to ask ourselves with then why did you like

(28:54):
seeing him.

Speaker 3 (28:54):
As president House time?

Speaker 2 (28:56):
Let me tell you the show Ozark has nane black
people in it, have one lady who's a fed, but
everybody else who is actually doing all of the dirt,
not one black person. And people say to me, why
you don't why you like that show Game of Thrones.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Ain't no black people in Game of Thrones. They're like,
why you like Game of Thrones, Ain't no black people
in there? And I'm like, because I don't even want
black people in that world. Yeah, I'm fine with their.

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Not being black people in this mess of a world, rightly.
And so when I see black people in the government,
you know, we're seeing Stacey Plasquets hemmed up with.

Speaker 3 (29:35):
Epstein. She is the US vision.

Speaker 2 (29:38):
Islands representative and yoummed up with Epstein. I'm just like,
it's not valuable to be put in positions of power
over terror.

Speaker 3 (29:49):
Oh you're not ending the terror.

Speaker 14 (29:53):
And I think to me at that point, that's where
Africa serves as such a good like reminder oftentimes that black.

Speaker 3 (30:00):
People get me there, get me there. Yeah.

Speaker 14 (30:03):
Yeah, A lot of people don't look at things from
a Pan African view, you know, if you look at
it and strictly a US context. And this is the
first time we've seen a nigga get in this position
and while out you know what I'm saying, and do
something crazy. But when when you recognize that you are
not and lord, I'm divged into a different territory. Let
me really, you see, I sat that, But I was

(30:25):
just gonna say this is where a lot of people,
a lot of black people specifically, when they are growing
their consciousness. I feel like it's very easy for them
to trail off into these friends groups, be it Hebrew,
Israelized breed, foundational Black Americans, whatever the case may be.
And in those spaces you lose sight of well when
you recognize that you are a descendant of Chattle slavery
often times from western Central Africa, and you look to

(30:46):
these countries and see that we're from the most diverse continent,
you know, on the globe. So it makes all the
sense in the world that we have such variation in
our taste and our expressions on and so forth. And
this for me, I don't feel the like the push
or the I no longer feel like.

Speaker 13 (31:04):
Why can't we all see things the same way?

Speaker 14 (31:06):
Like we all black white people say that I haven't
liked this Nigga people for eight hundred years before, before
I spoke this language. I didn't like what they was on,
you know what I'm saying. And I think now when
I'm bringing that back to like Uni from an African
perspective and seeing the amount of corruption that they have
in these completely black places, and you don't even have
to go to Africa. You look to Atlanta, but whatever
the case may be, and you see that, oh, like

(31:29):
like the lady said, I believe it. It was at Clark's graduation.
You know, black faces and high high face, high spaces
won't save us. It has not. It's not a new phenomenon.

Speaker 13 (31:38):
That's been the case for centuries.

Speaker 14 (31:41):
So for me now I don't have to view Obama
as the sole proprietor of prosperity. I can look to
people and say, oh, we had people before now that
showed there was corruption in these spaces.

Speaker 13 (31:54):
That's not enough.

Speaker 14 (31:55):
It's not enough for you to just have more melanin
than the average Caucasian. There's not a No, that doesn't
give me anything.

Speaker 2 (32:02):
I've been really trying to on this book tour for
my book what would the ancestors say?

Speaker 3 (32:06):
I've been really trying.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
To expound upon the themes that I talk about in
the book, like psyops, like black excellence as a false
you know, directive of progress, talking about really just the
concept of what it means to be black and American right,
and is that something to take pride in or is

(32:28):
that something that we need to do more work.

Speaker 3 (32:30):
To to redefine for ourselves. And last night.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Someone asked me, well, what are like the ways in
which we can get the world to care about Black
America and like what we're going through. And you know,
my answer was like, well, no, no, no, that was
the question.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
The question. The question I wanted to bring up was
someone asked me, how do.

Speaker 2 (32:59):
You get black people to essentially like wake up to
the rest of the world.

Speaker 3 (33:05):
That was the first question.

Speaker 2 (33:06):
Yeah, and care about the rest of the world. And
I was like, you know, and I really have been
putting a lot of energy into this is that we
are at this point. We've we have seen blackness become
simply a very shallow layer and a veneer.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That we are like trying to exist in. It's like
really thin.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
That has no depth, that is literally just identity politics,
and it becomes a weapon that is weaponized against us.
So we literally become the weapon that is killing us. Right,
And in that I'm trying to disassociate people from blackness
in that form and connected to blackness as a form
of indigenity that has connectivity to the world, right, that's

(33:50):
connectivity to all indigenous indigenous folks that are anti colonialism.
And in that regard, it's trying to also then attach
the those folks to us and back. And and I
don't I don't have words.

Speaker 3 (34:06):
I don't have words.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
Okay, okay, okay, okay okay, and and so forth, right
and so forth onceforth.

Speaker 3 (34:17):
There really is.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
A necessity of political education that has to be more
I feel advanced, like you were saying, in terms of
identifying ways in which, in this current climate, we fight. Right,
So you are teaching the kids, what are the limitations
of your classroom to be able to infuse the type

(34:43):
of learning that you feel that they would need to
actually be able to be armed when we have an
education department that has now been displaced into labor and
is actively saying we're all about just getting kids ready
to go to the workforce.

Speaker 6 (34:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 14 (34:58):
Yeah, So I smile when you ask that question because
it's something that I wrestle with a lot. Especially I'm
grateful of the school that I'm at. It's a charter school,
and in that I do I have a bit more
flexibility than the average K through twelve public school educator.
And in that each day we actually watch the news,
which is something I think is incredible because each day

(35:20):
we have real conversations about things that are going on.

Speaker 13 (35:22):
I don't working. I teach Lord. I teach the sixth
and seventh grade.

Speaker 14 (35:27):
So yeah, yeah, I teach sixth and seventh grade science.

Speaker 13 (35:36):
And in that though, science I do. I teach sixth
and seventh grade science.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Yes, so you were talking about boiling points.

Speaker 14 (35:45):
So that's more, at least in my school, that's more
for eighth grade that's physical science or chemistry. So for me,
I teach Earth and space science. So we're talking moon phases.

Speaker 3 (35:56):
So we're talking like absolutely absolutely yes, dioramas.

Speaker 14 (36:03):
Yes, yes, making sun dials outside, you know, all the
things proving that the Earth is not flat. But it's
so important, it's so important the success. Yeah, I promise
it's not flat. But in that we watch the news
each day and we've had some really transformative conversations that
I in no way attempt to like infuse my own

(36:25):
views whatever the case may be, but just spark curiosity
and simply ask. We did a project recently where I
asked them to cite their sources. You have to cite
your sources. Whatever information you give me, it.

Speaker 13 (36:35):
Is a zero.

Speaker 14 (36:36):
I will give you a zero if you do not
cite your source. Because they love to just look stuff
up and look, I look up the same thing. I'm like,
I know where you got this.

Speaker 13 (36:42):
I problem.

Speaker 14 (36:43):
I can pull up the same words verbatim. But in
that I would say the biggest limitation is just the
structure of school, in that you do have a finite
amount of time, and it's structured in the sense that
I can't really get give them the space to, uh,
let's take a break, like, let's all just talk thirty minutes,

(37:05):
let's chill, let's sit on a couch. Have you eaten today?
Half of my kids you have. There's so many of
my kids that don't eat throughout the day. They snack,
they're eating hot fries from the store, they're eating can right.

Speaker 13 (37:19):
No, I'm in I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
Oh you are Where are you?

Speaker 13 (37:23):
I'm in Atlanta.

Speaker 3 (37:26):
Yes, y'all you know I'm in Atlanta next Saturday.

Speaker 13 (37:31):
Yes, I'll be out here. I'll be out here.

Speaker 14 (37:33):
But in that, you know, I also teach in the
like I'm not gonna get too much information away by
I teach like in the more improverish community. And in
that a lot of my kids don't have proper clothes,
they haven't bathed in a little bit of time. So
you're getting all these things. And it's like, I'm trying
to tell you about all these things going on. My
boy needs to eat. My boy needs to eat. He can't,

(37:53):
he can't have a conversation. And that's why for me,
my lessons are a bit different. I really won't penalize you.
I'm gonna give you the space my baby. They she
ain't paying attention because she's been taking care of her
baby sister at twelve years old, and she's being abused
in the home and all these things. And in that
I have to be as an educator, I have to
sit there and say, my party right now is to

(38:15):
be a guardian for you, is to let you know, Hey,
come tell me what's going on. Put your head down,
we'll fill out some paperwork. Don't worry about this lesson,
you know. But I say that's the biggest barrier for
my kids, because they care, but they don't have what
they need met in order for them to care, like
enough to be engaged with these things. They're not eating,

(38:35):
they don't have proper hygiene because.

Speaker 13 (38:38):
They aren't being taught.

Speaker 14 (38:40):
Yeah, yeah, they're not being They're being neglected in different ways.
And I wouldn't even I'm not even attributing this to
the parents, but just socially, they have been all put
in a position where they can't be cared for, and
that puts us in a niche spot as educators in
terms of like growing them content wise.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
I see people in the comment talking about homeschool and
I need y'all to understand that is a privilege.

Speaker 3 (39:02):
And I don't know why y'all don't see that.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
Maybe you do see that, but I'm going to reiterate it.
Homeschool is a privilege. Like there was no version of
life where my mother was going to be able to
homeschool me. She literally had to go to work. And
in addition to that, she was not an educator. Right,
So this idea that everybody has the ability to be
an educator is really also disrespectful to educators because everybody

(39:27):
does not have the ability to educate. And I'm gonna
keep it a buck with some of y'all. You shouldn't
be homeschooling. Some of all actually do not have the
skill set to homeschool your kids.

Speaker 13 (39:37):
Send them kids out, send them kids.

Speaker 2 (39:39):
You're really teaching from a place of ego, And that
is one of the things that I noticed what you
said was that you will have conversations with the kids
where you're not necessarily, you know, putting your.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Mindset into the space.

Speaker 2 (39:55):
And I think that's something that is really hard for
any parent to do and for most adults to do.

Speaker 3 (40:02):
All, Right, Like, I ain't gonna lie to you.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
We had a little twenty one year old come up
to us last night when I was done doing my talk,
and it was me and Brianna Joy Gray and Olivia Odinucci,
who is uh, she's an organizer, and there was another
friend of them there and so this little twenty one
year old from Heart from Howard came up and she
was like, what's up? You know, I just wanted to

(40:24):
say hello, you know, Missiles. I was at the talk
and it was really great to meet you. And I
was like oh, and she was like, can I go
to Howard University? I was like, oh, what do you
do at Howard?

Speaker 3 (40:36):
And she was like in finance? And we was all like,
I didn't want to say nothing.

Speaker 13 (40:42):
I didn't want to say.

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Nothing, and I went, are you in finance? I said,
why are you in finance? She said, were the money?

Speaker 2 (40:49):
So you know, anyone who knows me at this point
in my life, I've checked out.

Speaker 13 (40:53):
Yeah, of course naturally I've checked out.

Speaker 2 (40:56):
But anyone who knows Brianna knows she has checked in.

Speaker 3 (41:00):
He's like, really so hy and so she was like, well,
she was like what year are you?

Speaker 2 (41:08):
She said, well, I'm a senior and you know, so
my next phase is I'm going to law school.

Speaker 3 (41:14):
So Brianna was like, oh, okay, because she is a lawyer.
She was a lawyer, a lawyer, ye, so what are
you going to law school for?

Speaker 2 (41:20):
She was like, right now, I'm going for venture capitalists
private equity?

Speaker 13 (41:26):
Got did she come to the right talk?

Speaker 2 (41:31):
I genuinely, I'm like going through my head like did
you acknowledge any of this? Like did you mention any
of this? Because I was I was fascinated by it.
Wasn't that she was coming up with curiosity. It was
more so that she was coming she was flausing it.

(41:51):
And I just saw someone in the chat say, there's
nothing wrong with the monies.

Speaker 3 (41:57):
The thing about it is.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
That if your whole trajectory is about getting money, there
is absolutely an issue with that. And I was trying
my best to not m hm, you know my thoughts
on it. Of course, kept talking, and finally, y'all, my

(42:19):
uber came and I was like, brother a miir was like, oh,
it has arrived, And I said, private equity is the devil, y'all.

Speaker 13 (42:26):
There you go, there you go. That's really y'all needs
to be said.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
And her reasoning was, I want to make enough money
in five years, so that I can travel the.

Speaker 13 (42:37):
World, okay, And now I thought she was. I thought
she was gonna bend that corner.

Speaker 14 (42:40):
I thought she was going to come back onto a
black capitalist buy back the block type of energy.

Speaker 13 (42:45):
But it was that's eventually.

Speaker 2 (42:46):
Where it goes, right, Yes, I mean, and when people
say I'm going to do something in five years, I
was like, you don't even understand because the first time
with the first thing she I said, when she said
I'm going to go into finance, I said, well, I
don't know that that's a feel that's going to be
in existence in the way that you are in it
right now in five years. And you know that's that

(43:11):
the five years that people think for the last five years,
that's not the next five years. So the whole by
the block back even that is like, what's the plan
y'all been buying the block back.

Speaker 3 (43:27):
For the last forty years.

Speaker 13 (43:28):
There's not a plan.

Speaker 14 (43:29):
And a big thing I try to not just tell
my I haven't told my kids this, but it would
be something if I am able to teachigh school at
some point that I would like engage in them with.
Is the concept that you will be influenced by who
you're around. So to suggest that you're gonna get into
this space and you're gonna retain every ounce of whatever
care you do still possess. With the finance and the

(43:49):
venture capitalism, already there, the seed is planting. All they
need to do is pour a little water and just
stick you out of the sun, and you're gonna grow it.

Speaker 3 (43:57):
It's already Geran.

Speaker 13 (43:58):
It's there.

Speaker 14 (43:59):
So I think in that regard, a lot of people
are I think overconfident in their ability to not be
like the people that they're around. And it's not like
an attack. It's not me saying, oh, you're weak.

Speaker 13 (44:12):
Whatever it is.

Speaker 14 (44:13):
I know consciously psychologically, I'm going to be influenced by
the media. I consume, the people I'm around, the songs
I listen to, and I know, even with everything I have,
if I'm around venture capitalists all day, like and I'm
at some point, they're gonna say something that makes a
little sense to me.

Speaker 2 (44:30):
One of two things that happens, right, you either adapt
or you diminish, Like that's what really happens, you know,
That's why you realize, like, oh, when you're in certain spaces,
and I can say wholeheartedly that since I removed myself
from Hollywood.

Speaker 3 (44:46):
I exist differently.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
My brain has expanded exponentially, and I can only attribute
that to, Oh, I'm also not surrounded constantly by all
these im pediments by the nature of the business I'm
in that would make me not be able to expand right,
to expand right, because.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Before I can get to thoughts about socialism, right in front.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Of me is yeah, but you need to get a deal,
m you know, like before I can get the thoughts
about independent artistry.

Speaker 3 (45:15):
It's no, you need to you need to be famous,
you know.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
So, like these things are immediate priorities of your entire circle.

Speaker 3 (45:24):
They're going to impede you or they're going to infest you.

Speaker 13 (45:28):
Absolutely.

Speaker 14 (45:29):
It's such a grind to maintain stability, let alone to
grow in any field. So to think that you're going
to maintain the time outside of that to like offset
it to like whatever it is, Like even with me
teaching now, it's something that I'm grappling with, Like looking
at it as a long term profession, do I have
the time outside of my my k through twelve stuff

(45:51):
to dedicate what I want to dedicate to on to
online activism, to real world activism and organizing because the
school it's a full that's a full time, that's twenty
four hours.

Speaker 3 (46:01):
Well, that's its own type of activism.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
It is, it is, right, so like that's its own
trajectory of activism. People ask me how am I maintaining mentally?

Speaker 3 (46:11):
How am I managing?

Speaker 2 (46:12):
And it's really because I don't work for nobody no more.
And that doesn't change the fact that means I'm constantly
having to work to sustain myself.

Speaker 3 (46:23):
But at least I get to be in control of
my life, so to speak, at present.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Right, I do feel though, that it's not necessary to
be in like when you're talking about long term, like
as someone who is twenty years your senior, there's no
need to do things long term.

Speaker 13 (46:47):
Praise God. Say it again. I just I just need
to hear it.

Speaker 3 (46:50):
There's no need to do things long term.

Speaker 13 (46:52):
Yes, yes, okay, you.

Speaker 3 (46:54):
Do it as long as it is purposeful. Yeah. Life
is long.

Speaker 13 (47:01):
That's what they don't tell you. It's short, but it's long.

Speaker 2 (47:04):
It's not short. A butterfly lives for three days.

Speaker 3 (47:09):
Life is long.

Speaker 13 (47:11):
That's real. That's real.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
It's all perspective.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
Yeah, you know, because people will tell you, oh, I
did this thing, because I didn't want to, you know,
miss out on it. And then or I didn't do
this thing because I was afraid, right, And then they're like, dang,
life is short, and it's like.

Speaker 3 (47:26):
Yeah, but what if what if you did it? What
if you did a.

Speaker 2 (47:30):
Thing and you were doing it not with genuine reason,
just because it was like a stupid thing to do,
and now you're living with.

Speaker 3 (47:37):
That regret forever.

Speaker 2 (47:39):
Or if you don't do the thing because you were afraid,
and now you've living.

Speaker 3 (47:43):
With that forever. Like it's just teaching is.

Speaker 2 (47:49):
At this point a sacrifice.

Speaker 13 (47:52):
Boy, I tell you, my kids think it's a game.
I tell you, so.

Speaker 3 (47:57):
You know, I commend you. I want to play this
video before we go. Soh have you heard of the
dia theory?

Speaker 13 (48:03):
I don't believe. I have no.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Okay, So there is a scientist's name, James Lovelock.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
All right, So James Lovelock.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Is basically he's an inventor, he's a scientist as a biologist.

Speaker 3 (48:17):
But he was the one who, with a couple of.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
Other scientists, challenged the Darwin theory with the dia theory.
So the Darwin theory is, of course, you know that
we evolved, but it was survival of the fitness. So
those species that existed and live longer do so because
natural selection.

Speaker 3 (48:36):
They made it through.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
Dayga theory challenges that and says, no, the Earth is
a symbiotic ecosystem, and those that survive or those that exist,
are not existing because they were the strongest, but because
there are other balances happening within the Earth system that
allow for these things to happen. That really it is

(48:58):
a symbiotic. Symbiotic is really the best word. There's a
symbiotic system of balance. However, humans are not doing our
role in the symbiosis.

Speaker 13 (49:10):
Oh just right up my alley. Athropology is right up
my alley.

Speaker 3 (49:13):
Okay, so he's like, bring it up, so let's listen
to this.

Speaker 17 (49:21):
Lovelock's ideas are at the heart of understanding how humanity
is now changing those stabilizing mechanisms, and they brought him
to a controversially bleak view of our future.

Speaker 18 (49:32):
From a Guian point of view. When we first started
interfering with the atmosphere, nothing much happened. It was encompassing
it by its ordinary regulating mechanisms. But when it gets
too much can't cope with it.

Speaker 3 (49:48):
Gaya is the Earth? Yes, yes, okay, right, guy is there.

Speaker 18 (49:53):
And this is why I'm afraid. I think it's going
to play upso mayhem with our civilization in the next
ten or one hundred years. And when you see the
whole picture, it is really fearsomely bad. I mean things
like the very rapid melting of the floating ice near

(50:15):
the North Pole. As the floating ice melts, so less
sunlight is reflected back to space by the dazzlingly white ice,
and more and more sunlights absorbed by the ocean. Just
the melting of the floating ice in the Arctic Ocean
will add as much heat to the Earth as all

(50:35):
of the CO two we put in the atmosphere to date.
And this is why I'm afraid. I think there's very
little we can do about it. All of our efforts
to reduce emissions are as nothing. There's no morality about it.
If the Earth improves as a result of our presence,

(50:57):
then we will flourish. If it doesn't, then we will
die off. I fear that not many of us will survive,
perhaps at best about a billion, possibly a lot less
than that. Now how they will die, It'll be by starvation,

(51:21):
by war, by disease. Who knows the four horses really
ride when conditions like that happen. Isn't an easy subject,
is it. And people say to me, well, you can
say that kind of thing easily because at your age
it is not going to affect you anyway. You'll be
dead before it all happens. And that's true, although I'm

(51:45):
not so sure that if I live to one hundred,
I think a lot of things may happen before then.
But I do have great grandchildren, and it's progeny. The
name of the is the name of the game here.

Speaker 2 (52:04):
So you have all white men that are like, y'all,
what are we doing?

Speaker 3 (52:14):
And I think about.

Speaker 2 (52:16):
The kids in your class and what it means to
teach science in the context of this, and has any
has there been any application of awareness of climate in
your teaching?

Speaker 13 (52:32):
This is perfect, This is right up my alley. Yes.

Speaker 14 (52:34):
So in my Earth and Science class, really in both
we talked about Initially we were going over body systems,
so respiratory, circulatory, so on and so forth, and in
that respiratory the organs, the lungs. So I asked the class,
raise your hand if you know somebody or you have
been around somebody that smokes.

Speaker 13 (52:54):
They all raise their hand.

Speaker 14 (52:57):
And they when I brought the concept of pollution, some
of them knew what that word was. And then just
explaining that a bit more and talking about the AQI,
which is the air quality index in Atlanta, which notoriously
is some of the worst in the country. Be it
because Atlanta is one of the most car dependent cities.

Speaker 3 (53:15):
Yes, at you like what happened?

Speaker 13 (53:19):
Yeah, or you have to be like.

Speaker 14 (53:20):
Downtown downtown, which nobody lives downtown because it costs three arms,
three legs to live downtown. And in that regard, we've
talked about this on several occasions.

Speaker 13 (53:29):
So what what he was referring to?

Speaker 19 (53:32):
Uh?

Speaker 14 (53:32):
We in my anthropology degree, we talked about like the
different eras and epochs. So you have like the Pleistocene,
the paleot scene. We now live in the anthropos scene,
which I tell them prefix and suffixes. So prefix anthrow,
an throw is humans.

Speaker 3 (53:45):
We talked week mm hm.

Speaker 14 (53:46):
So what we're talking about with the anthroposcene is the
environment is being changed and altered due to our influence,
Like the anthroposcene is we are now evolving because of
our influence on our environment, which is real trippy inception
type of stuff, but in a real tangible way. What
I expressed to them is that like, it's not And

(54:08):
this is where I tie it back in. I don't
influence them with any of my views, but I'll say
it's not by coincidence that everybody here just raised their
hand to say you've been arrested by the smokes before.
If I go somewhere else in this city, they won't
say the same thing, you know, And that right there,
you could I could ask my entire school because of
where I'm at, because of you know, the type of
school that it is, and they're all going to raise
their hands because they've all been in that environment and

(54:29):
talking to them about secondhand smoke and so on.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
And so I mean, I did a campaign with truth
Remember the Truth Ads.

Speaker 13 (54:35):
Yeah, Yeah, I did campaign.

Speaker 2 (54:37):
With them where we went to different parts of Baltimore
and we looked at the advertising in different parts of Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
And you go in one part of.

Speaker 2 (54:47):
Baltimore, it is predominantly higher income, et cetera, and there
is not a single cigarette advertisement, not a single Dutch
Master advertisement anywhere. You go to the hood, and they're massive,
like and I mean the Menthols are lining the wall.

Speaker 3 (55:08):
I mean the store is basically for Menthols.

Speaker 13 (55:10):
Absolutely absolutely.

Speaker 14 (55:11):
And I mean I'm from Virginia, so I'm from the
tobacco capital really of the US. So in that everybody
talks about Newport, it's like, you know, I'm frequent the
seven five, so Newport, Newport, News, Virginia and all Virginia. Absolutely,
So when we talk about all of these, all these concepts,
it's really for me just planning the seed of that
critical thought. I recognize their twelve and thirteen. It's not

(55:34):
all gonna land right now. You're not dealing with the
immediate consequences. You're a child, or rather you are, but
you're not aware of how that's impacting you. And all,
Like most of my school has asthma that that that's
not uncommon in my school, and that's all they know.
So that's their norm. So to speak of a world
where that isn't the case to them, it's fantastical. It's like,

(55:55):
that's just what that's just what it is here now.
They don't feel this disadvantage because everybody here is disadvant
and I think in that way it's sad because also
a lot of my students haven't left at Lena or
have never seen another place where the air is different,
where people here live in a different way. And just
hearing that, I mean it's something about you know, old

(56:17):
white man with these like gong level of soundtracks, like
y'all come on now. I mean, it's bad, but we
dragging it a little bit here.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
Wait a minute, I was thinking that to myself, like
they really are laying it on thick with these monks.

Speaker 14 (56:33):
Oh for sure, for sure, And I mean what I
hate to say about it, I also know this is true.
I mean, marketing and everything. It's also a cash thing.
It's like people are more invested when they seeing old
white men. Hear some Nordic hums in the background. Oh,
he got to know what he's talking about. This is
some next level shit, you know. But in comparison to
somebody on TikTok that looks like myself. Oh he's just talking,

(56:55):
you know, but not here, no there. But I bring
that up just because like for me, and I brought
this like last time you asked me, like what would
the ancestors say? And my thing was, there's nothing new
under the sun. And for me now I still look
at this and say, although this is crazy, like this
is a very serious issue, and I won't act like

(57:17):
it's not. We have faced insurmountable things, you know, I
don't know we have I promise, not this one, not
this one.

Speaker 3 (57:27):
I just say this.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
We have never faced extinction, and Homo sapiens have never
faced extinction.

Speaker 14 (57:34):
I'll say that's true. But I'll say as black people,
specifically African people. I read this book called the Destruction
of the Black Civilization by Chancellor Williams when he's like
kind of like uh dating everything that took place like
that led throughout just kind of Africa's evolution over time,
and we have been facing like environmental struggle and strife

(57:56):
for centuries. So the concept of like movement due to
so on and so forth to these things isn't like
foreign to us, you know, in that way. And yes,
it hasn't been to this degree by no shape, by
no stretch of the imagination that.

Speaker 2 (58:10):
There's something there though, because I feel like the black
people that I know in the United States, there's either
people who are like avid travelers or.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
People who don't leave the block. Oh yeah, it's literally.

Speaker 2 (58:26):
I remember years ago when I had put out a
tweet that said, if you have money for Jordan's and
tracksuit and Nike tracksuits and you don't have.

Speaker 3 (58:33):
A passport, you're losing.

Speaker 2 (58:35):
The attack that came down on me, mind you, I
didn't say nothing about black people with the attack that
came down on me. I'll never forget this one tweet
that said, Amanda Seals is a petty bourgeoisie elitist is
attacking and shaming the disenfranchised and passport shaming the disenfranchised

(58:55):
Black community, of course, And here we are, and I'm like,
we don't have a culture of movement anymore, and we
need it.

Speaker 14 (59:12):
I think a lot of that, though, for most Black folks,
is due to it never having been voluntary. Like the
history of like movement in them has always been as
a result of like famine, war, death, destruction. I've never
been in a space where like I feel good here,

(59:33):
now let me go see something else, but like, I
don't feel good here, so then me traveling to me
like I'm not able to see it in that same regard,
you know, Like, and I think I do encourage everyone
to travel, and I have a travel I'm really want
of them around the Black niggas to be honest right, Well,
for me, my family never traveled like I.

Speaker 13 (59:54):
We traveled traveling for them.

Speaker 3 (59:57):
You were twenty six, are you not?

Speaker 13 (59:59):
No, I'm twenty three.

Speaker 3 (01:00:01):
Oh Jesus, you're seven years old. Where do you want
to go? Do you have a passport?

Speaker 8 (01:00:10):
Brand?

Speaker 13 (01:00:10):
I do have a passport?

Speaker 3 (01:00:11):
Yes, where do you want to go?

Speaker 13 (01:00:14):
Okay, tangent here?

Speaker 14 (01:00:15):
But I'll be nervous about traveling a lot of times
because of my dietary restrictions andia.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
I mean, now we in the whole other can you
tell us? Are you willing to tell us?

Speaker 14 (01:00:25):
It's just peanuts. It's just peanuts, So don't go to Thailand?
But for real, and it's it's it's it's that in
combination with just I am the first in my family
to kind of like like we just don't do that.
That's not something my family does.

Speaker 13 (01:00:43):
It's like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:45):
Traveling.

Speaker 13 (01:00:46):
I didn't have that model for me, you.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Know, like, where do you want to go?

Speaker 14 (01:00:51):
I want to go to My advice was talking about Guadaloup.
I want to go to Guadaloupe, Guadaloup the island m H.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
If you pay for your hotel, I will buy you
a plane ticket to Guadeloup.

Speaker 14 (01:01:06):
Let's do it, Let's do it. I mean, like financials
is a big thing. I'll probably try the more if
I had to break it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:12):
But bread, so people use that all the time, and
that is bullshit.

Speaker 3 (01:01:18):
All it takes. It's it is.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
It is bullshit because if you want to go see places,
you can get there the amount of because they want,
they need tourism, they use tourism. So it is very
easy if you have a desire to to find a
way to get places. It just means that you may
not be saying in a luxury but who cares. So

(01:01:41):
you find a place to stay and I will book
you a flight.

Speaker 3 (01:01:46):
To Guadeloup.

Speaker 13 (01:01:48):
Let's do it. Let's do it.

Speaker 14 (01:01:49):
And I mean it is bs to the sense that
like obviously, while I mean I have the most liquid,
you know, money at my disposal, I'll be going out.
I'll go to it, I go to a spot, I
get a bottle, we'll do the whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:04):
You know, Listen, you go out three times a week.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
By the time you go out at the end of
the month, you done spent what it would cost you
to fly coach. And you know, don't get me wrong,
Like there are places that you can go that are
going to be.

Speaker 3 (01:02:20):
Less expensive than other places.

Speaker 2 (01:02:22):
Right, A lot of people go to Thailand because yeah,
the plane ticket be a grit, But then once you
get there, everything.

Speaker 3 (01:02:27):
Is five dollars. You know, you don't go to Saint Bart's.

Speaker 2 (01:02:30):
Because everything there is fifty thousand dollars. Like, you know,
it's just the way it goes. So the reality, though,
is that you also have to expand your consciousness to
be able to even expand the consciousness of the children
around you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:43):
Like, that's just a reality.

Speaker 2 (01:02:45):
And you know when I see folks that have the
intellect that you have, but you haven't had the opportunity
to even like just get out of your space, it's
like that is part of the oppression, right the and
it tricks you.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
It tricks you.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
It tricks you into thinking this is all there is.
So figure it out and do not forfeit my offer.

Speaker 13 (01:03:11):
Don't play with me, Okay I won't because.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
Don't nobody else get people offers like this. And you
know if I had, I had somebody do that with
me recently, and I was like.

Speaker 14 (01:03:24):
Hey, I won't do it. Look, I'll get to looking
right now. I ain't got to tell me I get out,
I get up out of town.

Speaker 13 (01:03:31):
I got Brandy gonna come back.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
I found my wife. I'm speaking French. I'm staying.

Speaker 13 (01:03:41):
Different. It's different, all of that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:47):
All right, So just so, just so, y'all know, when
you're buying books, this is the type of.

Speaker 3 (01:03:51):
Ship that go to.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
Okay, this is the type of ship when y'all buy books,
it goes to and again as agents as which, as
Chittuba says, don't let your family story limit you. So
let it inspire you. Let it inspire you. My family
never went, so I have to go.

Speaker 13 (01:04:12):
Yeah, feel me.

Speaker 3 (01:04:13):
So we have this on the books, y'all.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
It is now witnessed that Brandon has committed to finding
a place to stay. And if anybody here knows of
any affordable housing in Guadaloup or any affordable hotels in Guadaloup,
please let us know so that we can get Brandon

(01:04:35):
out of Losastados Junidos to experience something different. I actually
think I may have a connect for you.

Speaker 3 (01:04:43):
I'm gonna hit my.

Speaker 2 (01:04:43):
Homegirl, Fiona Compton of know your Caribbean. She know everybody. Okay,
Brandon all was a pledge.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Like literally, when I looked on the schedule and it
said you were coming on.

Speaker 2 (01:04:55):
I was like, oh, yeah, I'm my fellow Ring Lots gang.
Absolutely absolutely, so we would be in touch and make
sure you take a lot of pictures.

Speaker 13 (01:05:07):
I will, I will.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
All right, yeah, y'all. Let me tell you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:18):
A quick way to feel better about the world is
to be generous. Quick way, quick, quick way to be
to feel better about the world is.

Speaker 3 (01:05:30):
It's to be generous.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
And let me just also say that it does not
require money to be generous. Okay, you can be generous
with your time. One thing about like all folks they
want to talk, so you could be generous with just
your listening.

Speaker 3 (01:05:45):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:46):
Sometimes it's like you just need to be willing to
listen and give people listening. Like when people think about
like volunteering at an elder elderly home, you might be thinking, like, damn,
I'm about to be having to like clean up poop
from elders, and like, no, that's what SNAs and nurses
are going to be doing. What you can be doing
is literally just sitting there and listening to them. You

(01:06:09):
just want to talk, just want to be spoken to,
So it does not have to be monetarily based. And
let me also know that if it is monetarily based,
it does not have to be given to necessarily a charity,
It doesn't necessarily have to be given to a nonprofit.
You know a lot of times that can feel like

(01:06:31):
you're doing something when actually you're paying someone's salary. So
I find it a lot more effective to give to
places where I either can give directly to a person
or give directly to somebody who I know is working
in immediacy with folks. And even if it may feel

(01:06:52):
like dan but that's not helping like a large swath
of people, it still is a human to human connection. Right,
So I want to shout out all of y'all, shout
out Brandon and we have scho Lamas coming on in
just a second. But first let's get into somehow black

(01:07:13):
do we feel today? While we're on the conversation of environment.

Speaker 20 (01:07:24):
You avo to witness should actually have a disclaimer because.

Speaker 21 (01:07:28):
The way this man, this man does is an act
of violence, intellectual violence. You're going to watch President Ali
of Guyana, this reporter who feel as though he can
lecture Guyana on climate change. Now, don't get me wrong,
I like when press politically presses, but so often we

(01:07:51):
are seeing journalists, some for the troth of everyone, but
other white people, especially Zionists.

Speaker 3 (01:07:58):
So I want you to just take it in and.

Speaker 21 (01:08:01):
Enjoy this exemplification of knowledge of your environment and.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
Your nation.

Speaker 22 (01:08:09):
Expected that there will be one hundred and fifty billion
dollars worth of oil and gas extracted off your coast.
That means, according to many experts, more than two billion
tons of carbon emissions will come from your sea bed,
from those reserves and be released into the atmosphere. I

(01:08:31):
don't know if you, as a head of state went
to the cop in Duba.

Speaker 6 (01:08:35):
Right there, let me stop your right here.

Speaker 23 (01:08:38):
Do you know that Guyana has a forest that is
the size of England and Scotland combine. IF forest that
stores nineteen point five degatons of carbon? If forests that
we have kept alive, a forest that we have kept life.

Speaker 22 (01:08:52):
Does that give you the right? Does that give you
the right to release all of this carbon from.

Speaker 23 (01:08:56):
That gives you the right to lecture us on I'm
a change I am going to let to you on
climate change.

Speaker 6 (01:09:02):
Because we have kept this forest.

Speaker 23 (01:09:04):
Alive, the stores nineteen point five gigatons of carbon that
you enjoy, that the world enjoyed, that You don't pay
us for that, You don't value that, you don't see
a value in that the people of Ghana has kept alive.
Guess what, we have the lowest deforestation rate in the world.
And guess what, even with our greatest exploration of the
oil and gas resource we have now, we will still

(01:09:25):
be net zero. Caan will still be net zero. With
all our exploration, couple of still be net zero.

Speaker 8 (01:09:32):
No.

Speaker 22 (01:09:32):
No is powerful powerful words, mister President.

Speaker 23 (01:09:35):
I'm not completed as yet. I am not finished as yet.
I am just not finished as yet. Because this is
a hypocrisy that exists in the world.

Speaker 6 (01:09:44):
The world in.

Speaker 23 (01:09:45):
The last fifty years has lost sixty five percent of
all this biodiversity.

Speaker 6 (01:09:50):
We have kept our biodiversity. Are you valuing it?

Speaker 23 (01:09:53):
Are you ready to pay for it when it is
the developed war is going to pay for it?

Speaker 6 (01:09:56):
Or are you in the pockets?

Speaker 23 (01:09:58):
Are you in the pockets of the those who have
damaged the environment? Are you in the pockets? Are you
in your system in the pockets of those who destroyed
the environment through the industrial revolution are now lecturing us?

Speaker 6 (01:10:10):
Are you in their pockets? Are you paid by them?

Speaker 23 (01:10:12):
There is no hypocrisy in our positions.

Speaker 3 (01:10:19):
Yo. Now this hearkens me back to this.

Speaker 24 (01:10:28):
Gem Algeria, which is, if not the most corrupt nation
in Africa, and it is, it could be the most
corrupt nation in the world, Minister of.

Speaker 25 (01:10:40):
Hurraka, And now, mister Wallace.

Speaker 24 (01:10:43):
It is the most corrupt nation that I have ever covered.
I've been there twenty five years ago, and I've been
there as recently as last year.

Speaker 25 (01:10:51):
Fine, so what thirty five years old, that's what that
nation is. Now here's America two hundred in twenty six
years old. You love democracy, but they're in Africa. You're
trying to force these people into a system of government
that you just have accepted thirty years ago black folk

(01:11:13):
got the right to vote. You're not in any moral
position to tell anybody how corrupt they are.

Speaker 6 (01:11:19):
You should be quiet and.

Speaker 25 (01:11:20):
Let those of us who know our people go there
and help them get out of that condition. But America
should keep her mouth shut wherever there's a corrupt regime.
As much hell as America has raised on the earth, No,
I will not allow America or you, mister Wallace, to
condemn them as the most corrupt nation on earth. When
you have spilled the blood of human beings. Has Nigeria

(01:11:44):
dropped an atomic bomb and killed people in Hiroshima, in Nagasaki?
Have they killed off millions of Native Americans?

Speaker 13 (01:11:52):
How dare you put.

Speaker 25 (01:11:54):
Yourself in that position as a moral judge. I think
you should keep quiet because with that much blood on
America's hands, you have no right to speak. I will
speak because I don't have that blood on my hand.

Speaker 6 (01:12:07):
Yes there's corruption there.

Speaker 25 (01:12:09):
Yes there's mismanagement of resources. Yes there is abuse. There's
abuse in every nation on earth, including this one. So
let's not play holy to moralize on them.

Speaker 6 (01:12:21):
Let's help them.

Speaker 24 (01:12:22):
I'm not moralizing. I'm asking a question and I got
an answer.

Speaker 25 (01:12:25):
How would you put it as the most corrupt regime
in the world.

Speaker 6 (01:12:29):
That doesn't make.

Speaker 24 (01:12:30):
Sense when you think of one more corrupt.

Speaker 25 (01:12:31):
Yeah, I'm living in one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
Ah. Oh, mister Wallace, you should be quiet. You should

(01:13:01):
be quiet. Then he had the nerve.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
To say, I asked the question, I can't stand people.

Speaker 3 (01:13:15):
Like I can't. I can't stand people.

Speaker 2 (01:13:28):
Let's discuss today's hai.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Well, let's white.

Speaker 2 (01:13:37):
Our high quality white of this show is going to
none other than the littles Queen herself, Miss Rachel, who
was named by a Jewish organization as anti SaaS. The

(01:13:59):
way that these folks are wildly terrible while also being
wildly hilarious in their nonsense is an interesting juxtaposition because
we are also experiencing it with our own United States government.
Y'all these folks done said, this is the American pro

(01:14:20):
Israel group Stop Anti Semitism. They have included her in
their list, saying that she is highlighting the suffering of
Palestinian children and thus she is on their list of
anti Semite of the Year. They have repeatedly attacked her
on social media. She was listed alongside nine other media

(01:14:41):
personalities who have consistently criticized Israel's war on Caussa and
its influence over US politics.

Speaker 3 (01:14:48):
They even urged US Attorney.

Speaker 2 (01:14:51):
General Pam Bondi to investigate whether Rachel, Miss Rachel is
receiving foreign funding to promote anti Israel message and influence
public opinion. Of course, there is absolutely no record of this. Meanwhile,

(01:15:12):
Glamor magazine officially recognized her as one of its twenty twenty.

Speaker 3 (01:15:17):
Five Women of the Year. Now, Rachel's response to this
was very demure. It was very demure, and she said,
oh I.

Speaker 2 (01:15:28):
Am so thankful to Jewish organizations, rabbis, friends, colleagues, and
family for standing by me like jfririj and rabbis for
a ceasefire. I'm against anti Semitism in all form of
hate and racism. I'm incredibly proud of my work to
help Palestinian children, with twenty thousand Palasinian children killed, most

(01:15:49):
child amputees in modern history, homeschools and hospitals bombed, seventeen
thousand orphans.

Speaker 3 (01:15:55):
Everyone should be speaking out.

Speaker 2 (01:15:57):
I'm proud of all of us who have been brave,
chose and we choose humanity over fear.

Speaker 3 (01:16:04):
You better say that, miss Rachel. Okay, you better say it.
Let's give it some ord.

Speaker 2 (01:16:13):
I consider it an actual honor to be named Anti
semit of the Year, like I wish I was on
the list. And I say that because at this point,
being labeled an anti Semite by these types of people,
it's simply just that you have been very steadfast, loud,
and effective in your challenging of Zionis apartheid practices. So

(01:16:38):
like I want to be known for that. Definitely definitely
want to be known for that. You know, I hope
she gets it on a T shirt because I want
to be known for that. They at this point, they
don't run the word anti Semite into the ground. They
don't ground it up. Okay, it's hot about me, it's
the entrails. It don't mean nothing no more. If I

(01:16:59):
was really an actual Jewish person that had an issue
with antisemitism, I'd be like, God, yeah, y'all, I'm just
ruined the.

Speaker 26 (01:17:09):
Whole thing now.

Speaker 27 (01:17:11):
I mean, because people really delayed us, but for a
whole other reasons. And now, y'all, I'bjeck didn't go, dang man,
why y'all did that? Because there has been legitimate anti
Semitism against Jewish people.

Speaker 3 (01:17:27):
However that that ain't this.

Speaker 2 (01:17:30):
There's also like an entire history of Judaism that has
to be constructed, that had to be constructed to even
support this, Like how is Jewish and ethnicity?

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
It's not, it's not any who. That's in the conversation
for another time.

Speaker 2 (01:17:50):
We're about to get into our level of up guest
for this week, and if I'm being quite honest, it's
gonna be a time and I don't even know what
she's gonna talk about.

Speaker 3 (01:18:01):
I don't even know. I don't even know, But I'll
tell you what it's gonna be.

Speaker 11 (01:18:05):
Good man, we are we are.

Speaker 3 (01:18:27):
Oh how are you? Since you're sweet beautiful? I am
very fine. How you doing?

Speaker 8 (01:18:45):
You know?

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
I woke up today and was like, I don't think
we're gonna make it.

Speaker 3 (01:18:54):
Let me tell you. I was just listening to the
till end of your monologue and the guy I was clapping.
I was like, yes, we need to have this conversation. Oh,
what's an ethnicity again? You know what? Yeah, be called
an ant semi today is a freaking badge of honor,
especially by those people. How are you doing? What are

(01:19:17):
you doing? You're utterly rubbishing what antisemitism is if you
reduce it to people, you know, not having the right
to say we stand against a state that commits genocide.
Come on now that you use it at your weaponizing
anti semitism against people who say children have the right

(01:19:38):
to live.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
Yes, and the people saying this are like, oh, we
trying to just kill people in peace, and y'all keep
talking about it.

Speaker 3 (01:19:49):
We got to take the social media, y'all talk about it.
We got to take the social media.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
We're trying to kill these kids and you know the
fact that they are.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Can I just say this. Let me say this, the
fact that we've got to the point that talking about
this makes us laugh at them. That always tells me
the point I have reached that I am so angry
that really the only other option is for me to
laugh or else I seriously, I'll be raging and all

(01:20:18):
this what we hear is me raw because what the
actual hell like, what do you mean? What do you
mean to tell me, hey me that I can't open
this God give the mouth of mine and crust the
hell out of you for committing war crafts? Well, let's wait.

Speaker 2 (01:20:34):
Let me let me play this video for you, because
since you're talking about you want to get mad, I'm
gonna get mad with you, get mad with you.

Speaker 3 (01:20:43):
Where is it?

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Dang?

Speaker 3 (01:20:46):
Where's this gad dang video? You know what? I gotta
transfer it, so welcome back to it. What are you
up to? What's going on? What are you talking about about? Oh, well,
we're gonna talk about I believe you know what it
means to be to be black in Britain, to be black,

(01:21:07):
deal with the nonsense that is no sense from people
in power. I mean, I I reacted to Donald Trump's
racist rant at Ilanda and Somalians. Right, Oh yeah, that one.
I mean, it's nothing new, but you know what it
triggered me though. What it triggered me was me remembering

(01:21:30):
all these Americans who told us during the general election
that please stay out of our politics, Please don't have
an opinion, Please don't say anything about no no no, no, no, no,
no no, Because when you choose a rutting ass racist rapists,
white supremacist in chief, as you're freaking president of the country,

(01:21:56):
seeing as the most powerful, the most descent the world,
you're ending up in everyone's saying my country and every country.
So yeah, i am going to have a freaking innion
and I'm going to speak.

Speaker 2 (01:22:06):
So I'm king a very protectionist about like they're very
territorial about things like that, Like even down to here
in the United States, like people will be like, don't
say nothing about my state.

Speaker 3 (01:22:15):
I'm like, your state is in the country I'm in.
What are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
Like this is what I'm like, I don't say nothing
about New York if you don't live in New York.
And I'm just like, I mean, it may annoy you,
but New York is like a world capital.

Speaker 3 (01:22:33):
Thank you, thank you, thank you. I just find the
whole conversation and the way people want to possess you know,
what you can or can't talk about. Don't get me wrong,
I think there are times and you can challenge people's
authenticity and standing to apply or something that they either
clearly have jack or knowledge about or just infusing themselves

(01:22:55):
in there to be able to cause trouble. I think
that there are always moments for that. But you have
to recognize that America has such power that the President
of the United States calling a black woman as sitting
US Congress member garbage only serves to embolding the bottom
feeder racists, not just in the United States, but the

(01:23:17):
United Kingdom, across Europe and all of these so called racists,
you know. So, yeah, we have to say something, we
have to be able to respond to it. Yeah. This
video for you, Okay, it's you are. Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:23:37):
So this is Elon Carr, who is the CEO of
the Israel American Council. He is the former US Anti
Semitism z are that tells you everything you.

Speaker 3 (01:23:47):
Need to know. And here he is at a Jewish
conference in New York.

Speaker 26 (01:23:53):
And so we are living in a time of miracles
and unprecedented opportunities, and the challenge for us here and
well this all end, because this is this is key.
The challenge for us here is to leverage Israel's successes
into our successes and our victories here because we are
one people. Israel's weakness is ours and Israel's strength is ours.

(01:24:16):
And now that Israel has turned the entire geopolitical situation
on its head, our job in the diaspora is to
leverage those wins and win here due to our enemies here,
what Israel did to its enemies there and on that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:30):
The ice is focused.

Speaker 6 (01:24:32):
That's a good idea. Thank you.

Speaker 8 (01:24:35):
Do.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
Tell enemies here what Israel did to edimy I'm sorry. Genocide, starvation,
ethnic cleansing, shoot in at will Okay, hold on, don't
piss you off. So while you get your thoughts together,
I want to.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Remind you all that all of the things that doctor
Shola mos has listed. In addition to that is the
surveillance practices that we have seen getting grow, growing stronger
and stronger. We have seen incredible repression, not only here
in the States, but much more.

Speaker 3 (01:25:11):
Even in the in the United Kingdom.

Speaker 2 (01:25:14):
I just saw somebody get pulled over and the cop
told him that he was getting arrested because he found
a watermelon like sticker in his car. Right, So when
you see this and shout out to Sabby Saabs who said,
wait a minute, was that a threat?

Speaker 3 (01:25:30):
Because Jewish supremacy is a.

Speaker 2 (01:25:32):
Real thing, Like they're at now where they're like, listen,
we that girl, and there's not going to be any
stopping us. And I'm going to show a video a
little later in the show of eb I mean the
former dictator who, by the way, he was many terrible things.
Oh yeah he was. He is released, he caught them,

(01:25:55):
and he talks about it. And you know, you're starting
to see the same way that you were just naming
the rise of like bold racism by the statements made
by someone like Donald Trump, we have seen that also
with the rise of bold Zionism, which we know is
also racism, and so freakingly the fascinating part of this

(01:26:18):
is that this gathering is essentially the same as when
we had when we saw Nazi gatherings in Britain and
in the US, they were outwardly having whole conventions to
talk about fascism exactly exactly, and there's no doubt in
my mind that there are a number of.

Speaker 3 (01:26:38):
Questions raised by his performance and his words. Yeah, you
have to you have to start asking are these people
Israelised or the Americans? Because it's not Israelis, because let
me tell you, is allegiance and loyalty is to Israel
and know but literally.

Speaker 2 (01:26:55):
It is like their ethos. Is I am Israeli before
or I'm anything exactly?

Speaker 3 (01:27:02):
And I think that there will be many people out
there who are just like me that before October seven,
twenty twenty three, Zionism, I cannot tell you what it was.
I could not have. It was not in my dictionary.
I couldn't have. And before October seventh, twenty twenty three,
if you had asked me about Israelise, or if you

(01:27:23):
had asked me my thoughts of views about Jews, I
I had none. I did not give my that I
would give a Muslim or a Buddhist as a Christian.
I'm like, oh, you're doing good for you, You're Muslim,
good for you. I mean, if none of my dad
bitsess what your faith is at the end of the day,
to be between you and God and me and God,
so and a story. But it only took me a

(01:27:46):
couple of months. I'm sorry it took me that long.
It took me down because I kept seeing the word
zis Zionism, you know, online blah blah. I was like,
what the heck is this or is it? Is it
a movement on ideology? And what we are actually seeing
at the worst on the periphery, maybe at the center
of it as a good meaning, you know what I mean,

(01:28:07):
Only for me to realize that it is rotten to
the freaking core. There is nothing good about Zionism. It
is rotten to the core. And what then cinched it
for me was when that whatever his face is, Elon Levey,
the former state spokesperson for Israel to the UK, did
a video trying to explain Zionism as anti colonialism, and

(01:28:31):
I went, hold.

Speaker 2 (01:28:32):
Up colonialism like they had a Dionism, they had a
colonial they had a.

Speaker 3 (01:28:39):
Jewish colonial colonial chapter. In fact, in fact, what that
sinks it for me because I went colonialism, well that
I know, and everything I've seen about Zionism is a
very opposite of anti colonial So that's when I went, okay,
shall I let's go And of course I started getting

(01:28:59):
all this you know, I was getting all this your
bad press. I was getting all of the threats. I
was getting all of that you you know, the abuse
and demands for investigation sent to my sent because I'm
a lawyer, sent to my regulators, you know, trying to
try to destroy my reputation and my credibility. And I'm thinking,

(01:29:23):
do you people understand that people like us, amandare you
and so many others We've had to fight so many
wars to get to where we are today. God has
not brought us this far to leave us for the
kind of you to think to have the caucastic zionacity
to think you can bring your bs and I will

(01:29:45):
be shopping for once. Who the hell died and made you?

Speaker 6 (01:29:47):
God?

Speaker 3 (01:29:48):
I'm okay, where's my rapper? Let me tie it, where's
my scarff? Let's go right now? Yeah, here you are
murdering children. I am witnessing you be murdered and witness
and civilians being decompitated. Well, let the nigernomy speak because

(01:30:08):
right now I won't need any of that British politeness.
Put that to one side. The Nigerian should come out
because we are ready to go. We will write. I
don't because are you mad? That's been my attitude for
the last two years. It has been. I've watched it,
you know.

Speaker 2 (01:30:23):
I mean, you were brought into my zeitgeist because we
were talking about the same things, right, and that to
me has been a blessing just being able to have
I mean, I will say, I'll give credit where's due.

Speaker 3 (01:30:36):
So the algorithm did his job in that regard.

Speaker 2 (01:30:38):
You know, it brought folks together who may not have
necessarily sumbled upon each other. And so I ask you
in Britain right now, yeah, as a as a black
brit how does colonialism get talked about in Britain in
this time that we're in.

Speaker 3 (01:30:58):
Oh, colonialism It's talked about as a good thing. It's
talked about as it's nostalgic for white British people. Some
white British people, it is a matter of British empire,
because after all, we went and saved you savages from yourselves.
If it wasn't for us white people coming into your

(01:31:20):
African hearts, you would have no civilization, you'd have nothing
to talk about. But basically history is being rewritten on
a daily basis, and it's being used to justify even
what we see today with Zionism, okay and uh. At
the same time, the same way you find language that

(01:31:41):
that that treats Zionists Jewish people as when I say xiety,
I mean Zionist Jews as as victims when the reality
is that these Zignis Jews are oppressed us masquerading as victims.
They used that same language right about that. It is
not colonization, not at all. After all, this is not

(01:32:04):
what Israel is doing. They gaslight you every single day.
And you know, for it's someone like me as especially
as a black activist, as a black female activist, I
am drawing on so much of my history, my history
as a black person, my history as a black female,
my history as an activist. And I'm thinking, do these

(01:32:26):
people think we are dumb? Do they not understand that
there's so much of what we are saying that we've
seen before. So it's you know, it's interesting you mentioned
earlier monologue. There's so much that we get gasly on.
So think about language, the way they refer to, oh,
if you're Jewish, it's an ethnicity. No, it's not an ethnicity,
it's a faith or or the way they are at

(01:32:50):
most maybe at no religious ethnicity, right, because you.

Speaker 2 (01:32:56):
Ask Jewish folks the name, you ask, the way, the
real lines, and they'll keep it about with you, like
exactly when I hear or.

Speaker 3 (01:33:04):
When I see.

Speaker 17 (01:33:05):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:33:05):
You know, you constantly get the Zionist talking points, and
these Zionist talking points come to you by white Zigonus Jews.
We all know black Jews and brown Juices exist, but
we know that the help of Zionism are white Jewish people.
Just as you have with antisigonist Jews. You find white

(01:33:27):
antisigners Jews say Zionism has jackal to do with Judaism,
zionis nothing to do with us, and as please stop
referring or conflicting us with Zionism. So so here yeah, now, yes.

Speaker 2 (01:33:41):
Wait, as bill to ban dual citizenship in the United
States has been introduced in the Senate by who. Senator
Bernie Marino, a Republican in Ohio, introduce Senate Bill three

(01:34:03):
two eight three Exclusive Citizenship Act of twenty twenty five,
which would ban dual citizenship in the United States an eception.

Speaker 3 (01:34:14):
Yeah, would it been the exception bill? A bill? Let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:34:18):
The bill would require a person with US citizenship and
that of another country to give up one or the
other alleging that a US citizen holding citizenship elsewhere may
create conflicts of interest and divided loyalties. Mind you, I
promise you Israel is not the exception. And that's why
I keep telling y'all that we're about to have the

(01:34:40):
United States of Israel. They are going to make Israel
an official part of the United States, and then Israel
is going to take over.

Speaker 3 (01:34:47):
Just remember I said this, Oh my god, it's passd.

Speaker 2 (01:34:50):
A US citizen who voluntarily acquires foreign citizenship would have
to relinquish their US citizenship after the date of enactment.
Those who have dual and ship would have to submit
a written renunciation of foreign citizenship to the government no
later than one year after the enactment of the act.

(01:35:11):
Those who do not comply will be deemed to have
voluntarily relinquished.

Speaker 3 (01:35:15):
Their US citizenship. So you are.

Speaker 2 (01:35:20):
Hearing me now, I want you to hear me say
this now. I will do that when it's time, and
I will just be Grenadian.

Speaker 3 (01:35:32):
I will say this though. I will say this while
they try to target none white people, the people. Did
you really affect American is released? But I'm telling you,
I'm Shola.

Speaker 2 (01:35:50):
I have been trying to screen this from the rooftops,
and folks are not hearing me.

Speaker 3 (01:35:57):
What what we are watching? Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:36:01):
Is it's not that we're watching or coming together. We're
watching a rising together. Yes, it has been together. We
are literally Miss Latilla said it. Thank you, because this
is what I've been trying to say. The United States
is being colonized by Israel, and they keep thinking it's
the other way around. No, because Israel has been embedded.

(01:36:25):
Zionism has been embedded in the.

Speaker 3 (01:36:28):
Fabric of the world, of the globe and the UK.
Same shit, The UK is already colonized. Sis, we are
already colonized by Israel. I hope people are paying attention.
We are already colonized. Zionism is so insidious in Britain.
It permeates every facet of our society. But it took

(01:36:50):
October twenty twenty three for someone like me to wake
the freak up. I was walking in a slumber. So
many of us were walking in the slumber, not realizing
what was happening right in front of our eyes. It
took the last two years for me to realize that.
Before I started seeing people getting imprisoned, a language being

(01:37:10):
used to my line and character, you know, like totally
destroy people's reputation. It has already been done on a record.

Speaker 2 (01:37:18):
Have y'all heard, there's already been two vocal words that
have happened here today we heard doctor Sho Lama say
Opine and Maligne. So I just want y'all to be
really listening. Okay, I just want y'all to be really listening.
We just heard Opine and my line, I'm hearing it.
Keep talking to us.

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
Please, And I think the bottom line, the bottom line
now is that we need to start to weaponize the
very language and the same processes that they've used they're
using against us. We need to understand that our lives, liberty,
and likelihoods are at risk. People. This is not a
maybe it would happen. It is happening now. It is

(01:37:55):
happening right before us. The fact that they don't even care,
they don't care, They're doing it blatantly. This is a
problem they You know, that's what I said earlier about
the language being used. Think about it everything we fought for.
I mean, look at how they refer to antisemitism as racism.
You said earlier about how todaism is not ethnicity, and

(01:38:18):
when I tell people a Semitism is not racism. They're like,
I said, no, use the brain God gave you. Let
let let's process. Let's process this. Antisemitism is an expression
of hate in its own right, In its own right,
it is equally as heinous as racism. It is not
the same thing. It who exists with racism intercepts with racism.

(01:38:41):
But it is not the same thing. Because if we
accept that Jews are not a race, they're not a race,
they will never have a race. I don't care what
it let's say and how we try to use that
against them. When when in God's world do both Hitler
have to say about Jews now become a reference point
to prove something? I mean, what are you talking about?

Speaker 8 (01:38:58):
You?

Speaker 3 (01:38:58):
People? Not to you a man that does people talking
about me? You have another race. So you have white Jews,
you have black Jews, you have brown juice. Now within
this no religious ethnicity, let's just say, right, white Jews
can and have been racist to black and brown Jews.

(01:39:21):
That's because the sys of white supremacy is very separate
from everything else that is going on, So they can
do that. Black and brown juice can't be racist to
white Jewish people. It doesn't work that way. So when
you now claim that anti Semitism is racism, what you're
actually doing is denying a real injustice, of racial injustice

(01:39:44):
that is born by those who genuinely experience it. And
when you do that, when you start calling to have
semits and racism, you know who benefits from that? White people?
Because in what world are white people experiencing racism? How?
I mean, does anti white prejudice exist? Absolutely, that's a racist.
This morning.

Speaker 2 (01:40:04):
They called me that all the time, thirty am and
season California, you up at.

Speaker 3 (01:40:10):
Five thirty, you know, and and sometimes you have to go.
It's some people are just willfully ignorant. And Zionists use this.
They use this to say, well, now you're being racist
to me. And I'm like, I know, Semitism is not racism,
and silencim is antisemitism in its own right. And if

(01:40:32):
you think about it, when I say you've got the
white Jewish person, black and brown Jewish people, when they
talk about Semitism, have you noticed a manner that they're
really only talking about white Jews. Nobody talking about the
anti semitism and racism that black and brown Jews experience.
So black and brown Jewish people are experiencing two intersecting

(01:40:52):
inequalities and racial injustices, and people happy caustic audacity, the
anasty to the homophobia homophobius. The problem here is that
they use racism as a catch or phrase for everything. So,
as far as I'm concerned, all you're doing is impound
the very people who already oppress oppress black and brown people.

(01:41:15):
So white Jewish people, black and brown Jewish people who
will all experience a Semantism, but the only one whose
pain of Semitism is ever acknowledged or address of white
Jewish people. White Jewish people do not experience freaking racism.
Black and brown Jewish people do. So when you come
to a country like the UK in Britain and everything

(01:41:37):
you do is then immediately it's immediately couch. And anytime
you speak out against scientism or you speak out against
as well, it's immediately coutures racism. You have to ask
yourself why, because these white people are not they're not dumb.
They understand the struggle that black and brown people, especially
black people black people have endured in racism, and what

(01:41:58):
they want to do is co op. That's struggle, not
experience the struggle, but co opt it so they come
back from it. And so when toono like me says
hell to the freak, No, I'm against antisemitism. I will
use my voice and every fiber of my being to
fight antisemitism because I don't need to be Jewish to
do so. But hell, no, am I going to sit
here and say, oh, and Semitism is racism. It's not.

(01:42:22):
I can see that it is not the same thing
applies to Islamophobia. I might not just think about it.
I know some people, many people that I respect, are like,
they say, Islamophobia is racism. I'm like, no, it's not.
Islamophobia is its own heinous expression of hate. It is
you know, it is as heinous as racism. It coexists

(01:42:44):
with racism, it intersects with racism. But they are not
the same freaking thing. White Muslims as an example, white black,
and brown Muslims will all experience is slamophobia, but white
Muslims do not experience racism. Black and brown muslim experience
is homophobia and racism. People, And and I'm speaking English

(01:43:06):
to know Swahili that what M tells you there are
two different things but we did.

Speaker 2 (01:43:12):
Okay, okay, so now what right? Because because my thing
is is we're we're at an inflection point, doctor Shola,
where the ignorance is so deeply outweighed by the power.
And so even so the people who it'd be one

(01:43:35):
thing if we had an informed populist that simply just
felt powerless. But we have an ignorant populist exactly right,
that also feels powerless, like you know, like someone asked
the question. Adrian asked the question, are the countries so
used to being colonized that we just don't fight back?

Speaker 3 (01:43:54):
Oh no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no. This
this is where we get it wrong. America has maybe yes,
was once upon a time colonized by Britain, but we
know that it's race or past is from a colonizer,
right Britain. I mean, I'll less you want to talk
about the Romans. Let's let's just talk the last how
many hundred years. These countries are not used to being colonized.

(01:44:18):
They are the colonizers. So what is happening here is
not colonization as we understand it. The way we went
to Africa, South America.

Speaker 2 (01:44:27):
And colonization two point oh thank you, colonizer, colonizing the colonizer.
It's colonizer and colonizer violence.

Speaker 3 (01:44:36):
This is literally sets of people white supremacy in conjunction
with Jewish supremacy working together. Yes, yes, make the worl.
That is it. That is what is happening here, because
if you look across Europe, look across Europe, Germany, we're

(01:44:56):
talking about, you know, strong countries and strong economies here
that support Israel right and support the United States, and
some of them are just you know, whatever Trump says,
whatever American says. You know, we coult how we count
how these countries that are meant to be strong in
their own right, they're all shipping like chicken liver cowards.
Not on single a single one of them is saying

(01:45:18):
anything because why because they're part of the system. So
the people being colonized or they attempting to colonize, are
people like us, black, brown, white people who are against genocide,
who are against colonization, who are against Zionists, who are
against white supremacy, who are against Jewish supremacy, who are

(01:45:38):
against everything that we know would make our world rotten.
Those are the people they're trying to colonize. They want
to normalize the very things that our ancestors fought against,
being black ancestors, white brown assessors, the kind of thing
that we are still fighting today. They want to make
it legal, legitimate, They want to they want it to become.

(01:46:00):
Just like you said about Israel. Israelis impossible of the
United States of America. But like me, I'm sure millions
of people like me are only just realizing, Oh my god,
we did not know that before October twenty twenty three.
I did not know before October twenty twenty three that
my country, the UK, is been colonized by Israel. I

(01:46:20):
had no idea that Israel had my politicians, people that
we thought we were democratically elected in their freaking pockets.
I mean, this is what I'm talking.

Speaker 2 (01:46:30):
About that they I want to applause you real quick
because something annoyed me.

Speaker 3 (01:46:34):
Okay, no, you don't mind stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (01:46:36):
So someone here said, ableism never gets enough time in
these conversations. First of all, the conversation isn't even an
hour long. We haven't even been talking for an hour,
so let's start there. Second of all, y'all be applying
ableism to everything under the sun.

Speaker 3 (01:46:52):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Third of all, let me just say this, What doctor
Shoula is literally illuminating, illuminating and enumerting for you is
the reality of how new this revelation is. So solutions
are always going to be very process bound in how

(01:47:14):
they are applied. So if we're just now getting illuminated
to the reality of the issue, right I literally just
sat here and pulled up this and pointed it to you.
And now we're talking about, well, it's ableism. I'm going
to tell you now, people aren't going to be able
to leave this country for many reasons besides simply you know, disabled,

(01:47:35):
because that is a very real reason, right Shola. This
is a nation of disability. Beyond the physical. The disability
is also emotional, and it is also mental because the
psychological operations that have been happening on our internal wiring

(01:47:56):
have been so consistent and immense that there will be
if the earth lasts long enough for people to look back,
they will literally come back and say, oh my gosh,
this entire people had been mentally brainwashed yep, and was
and could render us physically unable. Like we we are

(01:48:18):
as a people not operating at our capability because of
the efforts that have been done. So I want to
point out that, yes, we do need to make time
to have conversations around the disabled. We do need to
make time to have conversations around folks who are not
economically viable to lead. However, however, we are right now
simply at the inflection point of even just acknowledging what

(01:48:42):
the is the first place, exactly and how.

Speaker 3 (01:48:46):
Quite frankly, we are all being empowered. So the able
and the disabled, right, we are all being dis empowered.
If somebody can come and throw you into prison for
exercising your rights to express discust and contempt for evil,
that should tell you that whether you're able or disabled,

(01:49:07):
it's a freaking problem. It's gonna affect you economically, It's
gonna affect you, you know, reputationally, it's gonna affect your
standing in society. So we need to get to a
point where even our language and how we present ourselves
is very clear to the other side.

Speaker 2 (01:49:23):
Because but how like, okay, real and this is not
this is not like Devil's advocate.

Speaker 3 (01:49:29):
This is a genuine question. Yes, why does that matter?
What do you what do you think? What what teeth
does it have?

Speaker 2 (01:49:38):
I'm y'all, I'm literally having an anxiety attack, as idey attack.
I'm literally having an anxiety attack. Like I'm so overwhelmed in
this moment, doctor Sola, and I forgot my medication.

Speaker 3 (01:49:47):
So let me tell you this. The teeth it has. Okay,
I think if you begin imagine yourself being held at gunpoint,
just a oh, you just said you have an anxiety
is really I don't wanted to go higher watching. Just
imagine that you are in a position physically where a

(01:50:10):
gun is being pointed at your head, at your head,
and there's a timer, there is a there's always a timer.
That is where we are, that we are at a
trigger point. We have all been brought to this point,
the blatant use of power against us. It has brought

(01:50:31):
us to this point that there is a verbal, metaphorical
and physical gun being pointed at our lives, livelihoods, and
liberties right now. And it is not just national, it
is global. It is not just macro level, it is
micro level. And if you can't thinkin to comprehend how

(01:50:53):
serious that is that even you when I say you're
not you are man now. But those those of you
who like to, oh, you know there are people fight
in this battle. You know, Amandad, doctor Shola, you know,
you know all these people they're doing it. I don't
need to do anything. You're wrong. You need to speak up.
You need to start to form a stance. You need
to form a stance that makes it clear who you

(01:51:15):
are and that you are not purchasable, that you're that
you as a human being, you count and you matter.
And if you're only caring people, I can't say this
loud enough. I swear if you're only caring and thinking, well,
you know that happens to Palestinians. So that's happened to Muslims.
I'm not Palestinian. I'm not a Muslim and Christian. It

(01:51:38):
will shock you. It will shock you because let me
tell you this right now. The people dying in Palestine,
be murdered in Palestine are Muslims and Christians. They're black
and white and brown. And the people committing all of
these war crimes don't give a rat sauce because they're
working to a different standard. So people, I need you

(01:51:59):
to start to wake up and understand the game that
is being played. Don't let it be too late. And
it is okay to be scared. I'm scared too, by
a more pissed off that I'm scared. It is okay
to question, how are we going to do this? The
answer is not to do anything. The answer is to
educate yourself. The answer is to align with other allies,

(01:52:20):
and maybe, maybe, just maybe, the answer will come to you.
But what we cannot afford to do is, for instance,
that bill is about to be passed, so many millions
of Americans would not even know about it, even if
it's posted on ABC CNN. Some of you will not
be paying attention. And if people are not paying attention,
you know what's gonna happen. It will get passed, and

(01:52:43):
they will use it primarily against people like us. That's
what they will use it against. And I'm not just
talking about foreigners like me. I'm talking about American born people,
or Americans who naturalize, or Americans who who have the
right by descent to be citizens of other countries. I

(01:53:04):
mean you you hear Donald Trump talking about his golf
whatever in Scotland. Yes, right, that's because he by descent,
he's Scottish. You hear Joe Biden go to Ireland and
blah blah blah, all of these things when it comes
to white people, it's always a totally different standard. And
the people you expect this this built to apply to

(01:53:25):
what like Zionist Jews and the Alliance Israel, you will
find there will be a coup out, there will be
an exception, there'll be a way to work it out,
that it's act because just like Commander.

Speaker 2 (01:53:35):
Said, it's not it's they're not gonna because that man.
I want you to listen.

Speaker 3 (01:53:40):
To what he said again.

Speaker 26 (01:53:41):
And so we are living in a time of miracles
and unprecedented opportunities. And the challenge for us here and
well this I'll end because this is this is key.
The challenge for us here here is to leverage Israel's
successes into our successes and our victories here because we
are one people.

Speaker 2 (01:54:02):
That part they are literally going to create affusion. Yeah,
of one idea real is officially the United States as
a colony in the Middle East, and not a colony anymore.
It will be an official country like state of the

(01:54:26):
United States.

Speaker 3 (01:54:27):
And listen, am you may not be wrong at all,
but I think it's for people.

Speaker 2 (01:54:32):
That I'm really wrong, and that's what's so annoying the
ship that I.

Speaker 3 (01:54:37):
Be right about is the worst ship. And I think
what is equally annoying is that people cannot read the signs.
I think it's one thing not to be cognizant and
not to not to be aware of history and how
it repeats itself. But when you see something like this happening,
then you are duty bound to educate yourself. You're duty

(01:54:58):
bound to I ask questions and to get the right answers.
And when you've been giving so much information, pray for
wisdom and discernment so you know right from wrong. But
what we end up doing is so wrong is that
we get so you know, tied up in our own pain,
in our own struggle, in our own personal losses, that

(01:55:19):
it makes it difficult for people to see outside because
you don't understand that they're weaponizing your pain and your
struggle to keep you down. That's what they're doing. And
I think sometimes when people see people like you, a
man not saying myself, and they think, oh, look at them.
You know, they sound very strong, very confident, But you
don't see us when we're like, oh my god, what

(01:55:40):
do I do now? I'm on the floor.

Speaker 2 (01:55:43):
I am literally on the floor in the hotel room
right now you know that we walt tomorrow. Yes, because
I only allow myself twenty four hours of panic. I
started doing that in two thousand and five. Yeah, three
four hours of panic and whatever you're doing that twenty
four hours, cry, run, go pint something, eat ice cream,

(01:56:04):
retail therapy, and then send it back. But you get
twenty four hours and then you got to figure it
the fuck out.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
I think that is so important. That is so important,
And this is why, for instance, when we said, okay,
let's have a conversation about what it is to be black,
for instance in Britain, what does that mean? What does
it mean to be a marginalized you know, part of
a marginalized group in a country that you belong to.

(01:56:32):
How if people don't understand this is this is what
is going to happen. This is exactly what's gonna happen.
We're going to end up asking ourselves what is it
like to be you? No longer by whether you're black, brown,
or white. You'll be defined by something else, whether you're
slightness or a designist, whether you're genocide or anti genocide,
whether you're pro colonization of we will all be defined

(01:56:54):
by something else. But the root of it will be
the same because you know when you when you no
matter when you reach when you reached down. I thought
about a question, what is it like to be black
in Britain? And I thought to myself. To be black
in Britain is to be British and told you're not.
To be black in Britain is to be rooted in
your heritage and sold that what shapes the sum of

(01:57:16):
you would be nothing without white people. To be black
in Britain is to have the white need of white
supremacy on your black necks and talk by the governments
who are meant to serve and protect you that Britain
is not institutionally and systemically racist. To be black in
Britain is to have your history, your presence and contributions

(01:57:37):
in Britain, both president and historical, to be denied, questioned,
or minimized. To be black in Britain, ladies, ladies and
gentlemen is to be denied your lived experiences and having
to justify while you also belong. To be black in
Britain is to have your black identity constantly maligned, misrepresented, marginalized, commoditized,

(01:58:00):
and criminalized. To be black in Britain is to suffer
the violence of white supremacy, both visibly and invisibly, verbal
and physical, and then go completely ignored in plain view.
To be black in Britain is to fight so hard
for economic, racial, cultural and social justice only for the

(01:58:25):
people to benefit most from it, from every step of progress,
to be white. And if we are not careful, we
are getting to a stage now where it is not
just as I said, to be black, or to be brown,
or to be Muslim, or even to be Jewish. We're
getting to a point where this you know inflection you're

(01:58:47):
talking about, Amanda, it's taking us to a whole new
level of evil. It's going to be it's going to
be the marriage between supremacy, fascism, Nazism and all of
these other things that people fought so hard no longer exists.
And when that that is already happening. Quite frankly, it

(01:59:08):
is already happening because it's been legitimized in our houses
of Parliament. We have a political prostitute for your Prime Minister,
Kirs Starmer, who's who's a freaking Zionist. He just jumps
from one place. I was gonna say, you know what,
it is.

Speaker 2 (01:59:24):
He's not even a Zionist. He's an opportunist. So he'll
do what he if he needs to be a Zionist today.

Speaker 3 (01:59:30):
Fine, But the reason why he will always be a Zionist, Amanda,
is because it's not just because of opportunity, but because
that is where his political ambition can grow. That's what
I'm saying. That's an opportunitist. It's not just opportunity. I
need to understand. He also has Jewish roots. His wife
is Jewish. I hate talking about spouses because I don't

(01:59:51):
see the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:59:51):
Now when I say opportunists, opportunists in my definition, is
someone who will attach themselves to anything that gives them
a cent.

Speaker 3 (02:00:02):
Yes, but I'm saying that he believes in this thing.
This is a good person. He believes in Zionism, because
whether you're weaponizing Zionism for political opportunity or wealth, is
not that different from you going, oh well it doesn't
affect me badly, or I'm going to be part. I'm

(02:00:23):
going to be part of this group of people. And
that is where we also suffer as black people in
these in this scenarios, because then they have totalized black
people who abstly justify the evil that is being enforced
and imposed on other black and brown people. Then we
get totalized ladies and gentlemen Christians. You know, as much

(02:00:48):
as I hold Zionis Jews in contempt, I hold Zenus
Christians in deeper contempt. As a Christian, I consider them
to be far worse and evil, quite frankly, because you're
literally taking the Bible, taking Jesus Christ, taking God, and
weaponizing the very thing that's meant to bring salvation. You're

(02:01:09):
weaponizing it as oppression, and you're using all of these
dumb ass willful ignorance, ideology or because you know it's
called let me tell you something, when they named the
Puzzle of Lands that was a portion to Zionus. When
they named it Israel, they knew what they were doing.
Of course, they knew exactly what. We're incredible marketers and

(02:01:34):
they can call it anything else. But these Zionist Jews
knew because there are more Zionist Christians and they are
Zionist Jews, right, they knew they needed the power of
Zionus Christians. I know Zionis Christians are they're they're rooted
in white supremacy, the black and brown ones are racial gatekeeping. Uh,
you know, enagblers of white supremacy. White nationalist Christianity is

(02:02:00):
rooted in white supremacy, and it's that white supremacy and
white national Christianity that was empowered, that was used to
colonize from continent to continent, from country to country. So
as far as I see it, and I've said it,
I'll say it again, I think Zignus Christians are the
absolute freaking worst. And that's why as a Christian and

(02:02:24):
I'm grateful to God. I really am grateful to God.
It is so important to have discernment. It's so important
to not be afraid to question things because you know
when they come with this their zigonist talking points like
God gave us this land, and I'm like, you know,
I've read the Bible back to back quite a number
of times in my life. I do not claim to

(02:02:45):
be able to make quotations like some people. I can't
claim that, but I have enough in my head to know, Okay,
let's go with God gave you the lad by same
God that kicked you off the lamb because you pissed
him off. And we all know why you piss them
off and why he keeps you off because you want
to use the Bible to claim ownership and legitimacy, when

(02:03:08):
the same Bible says you pissed him off so much
he kicks you off, and then you get more more,
you know, more points like well, this is Israel, and
the Bible says that anybody who goes against Israel, and
that's not what the Bible says. The Bible says nothing
of the sort. And they don't want to bring up Jesus.
Jesus was a Jew. We know that. What's your point?

(02:03:30):
And you know, if you don't love Jesus, if you
don't love Israel Jewish state, then you don't love Jesus
because Jesus was a Jew. And I go, let me
ask you, ques, let me ask you a question. Go
and read the New Testament from back to back and
show me where Jesus talked about Israel, talked about the

(02:03:52):
return of the Kingdom of Israel. Talk to he did not.
He could not give a rats ask about Israel, Kingdom
of Israel, Kingdom of Jude that was none of his
dumb business. All he talked about was the Kingdom of Heaven.

Speaker 2 (02:04:04):
It's also not ain't historical text.

Speaker 3 (02:04:11):
Period.

Speaker 2 (02:04:13):
It's not a magna carta. It's not a declaration of independence.

Speaker 3 (02:04:17):
It has been.

Speaker 2 (02:04:19):
Chopped up and screwed like Houston hip hoh so.

Speaker 3 (02:04:25):
But I would love to make the time one day.
I would love to make the time one day to
read all the scripts that did not make it into
the modern day Bible, read Turan Tree. Will make the
time to read the Torah one day. I don't know when,
because I am sick and tired of people bringing things,
you know, passages out of the you know, Kuran or
out of the Torah to justify or dilegitimize.

Speaker 2 (02:04:47):
And I go and all different times, and the New
Testament has mad stuff from Paul, and.

Speaker 3 (02:04:57):
We're like, you live and even though Old Testament, I mean,
I got writings in my Bible right, I was reading
over Act and I've got things in Red where I'm
literally pissed off at Paul, Like what do you mean
I'm writing it there?

Speaker 2 (02:05:14):
Because you could almost Pas who wrote revelations, not revelations Pauls.

Speaker 3 (02:05:20):
Who wrote Act.

Speaker 2 (02:05:24):
Yes, he was like by himself, these were all just
visions that he had and he was like, yo, let
me write this down because I'm feeling some type of
way that's a substack.

Speaker 3 (02:05:34):
Yeah. But also also you can also see where Paul's
opinions what is meant to be God's word? Because he
was like, oh, women, basically saying women should be seen
on her. And I'm like, if women should be seen
on her, why is that God made women judges? Why

(02:05:56):
is that God in the Old Testament make women judges
and get women to my red pan out? What do
you mean? Like Paul was standing in front of my
I mean he and I will be having a time
of argument because I okay, but I've resolved, you know,
as a Christian, and I said this to myself years
ago that they're going to be things I don't have

(02:06:18):
answers to. And I'm sure God is way too busy,
especially because I just save him about other things that
meaning need time on that when I finally meet my
father in heaven, we will have a conversation because.

Speaker 2 (02:06:29):
I'm like, I tell you, the conversation is going to be.
Then people were speaking for me. That wasn't they. That
was they was just talking for me. There was a
gamer operator. They was taking messages.

Speaker 3 (02:06:43):
You know what, you know what? You know what a
lot of the Bible is a lost Bible is how.

Speaker 2 (02:06:49):
When you leave a voice note and then you have
to tell the person, yo, I did voice text, So
the translation may be off, like that's really what it.

Speaker 3 (02:06:58):
Be as God sometimes sometimes, which is why, which is why.

Speaker 2 (02:07:02):
When I talk to the folks and they interpreted it.
You know, when you read it way, you read a
text wherever you at. So Moses read the text where
he was on the mountain. He was like this one,
this one says to me. I don't know if Moses
would have read that the same way where he not
on the mountain.

Speaker 3 (02:07:19):
I know, I know, But this is why maturity. And
when I say maturity, I don't mean age. Maturity in
growth as a human in your relationship matters for for
the longest time. I'm grateful to God for this. At
some point in my journey in life, I began to
understand the difference between Christianity as a as a religion

(02:07:40):
and Christianity as a relationship with God. So I don't
do religion. I do not have time for religion because
for me, religion is burdensome.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
My spirit is You're just your brain, You're just smart.

Speaker 28 (02:07:53):
Yeah, I don't know about what I do know because
because you know that it's being used to manipulate you,
so your brain won't even.

Speaker 11 (02:08:04):
Let you be that.

Speaker 3 (02:08:05):
So you're like, no, I think, but this is where
I think my God comes in because He has fashioned
me differently so that my very spirit goes that doesn't
let me take Let me let me explain some to
you when I go to church. When I'm in church
and the pastor is preaching, and Peter said, and John said,
and Jesus said. Automatically in my mind, I'm going, all right,

(02:08:25):
but what's that got to do with me? Explain it
to my immediately, because I already know what Jesus said,
what post I understand. I can read the Bible. What
I need is to break it down in a way
that can help me live my life, not just gere
from point A to point B, not just survive, but
to thrive. And to me, that is where the essence
and authenticity of the Bible comes in. Where you are

(02:08:47):
learning and you're growing. One day you learn something from
a particular text, and the next day you learn a
different thing from the same particular text. That for me
is growth with God. And to me, that is where
I'm like God, thank you. But now that I understand
the difference between religion as you know, as mad made
and relationship with you with God. Please help me stick

(02:09:09):
with you. I'm not fall into the trap off you know,
religiosity because so.

Speaker 2 (02:09:14):
Let me tell you this brings us back to the
question I asked you about language, because what you're really
describing is how the spirit communicated through language speaks to
your spirit.

Speaker 3 (02:09:29):
Right, Yes, and I.

Speaker 2 (02:09:31):
Can say that I've experienced that not from the Bible,
but through other texts. I've experienced that through the lyrics
of Bob Marley. I've experienced that through The Alchemist by
Paulo Celo, like I've experienced that through Parable of the Sour.

Speaker 3 (02:09:46):
So it's it's and you know, I've.

Speaker 2 (02:09:48):
Been talking a lot lately about how like there is
something unique about humans and the writing.

Speaker 3 (02:09:53):
It's not just communicating, it's the writing.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
There is no other animal that writes, right, And we
often talk about, Oh, our uniqueness as humans is in civilization. No,
it's not like other animals have civilizations. They have ways
that they exist. They are civilized. So it's the writing
and what you're saying about our language and how we
are referring to ourselves as having power. I want to

(02:10:16):
piggyback on that and say it can't simply just be
in our language verbally, but we have to be writing
on walls, in books, online everywhere, like we have to
be making physical record of our existence in our own words.

Speaker 3 (02:10:34):
But we also, Amanda, if I can add to that,
we need to be birthing. Birthing. And when I say birthing,
I don't just mean, you know, pushing a child out
of your you know, Panani, That's not what I'm just
talking about. I'm talking about you birth in that dream,
You birth in that vision, that vision that can have
impact on one person, ten people, one thousand, ten thousand,

(02:10:55):
one hundred thousand, a million. And it's is through that
that people will get They get that inspiration and aspiration
because something will trigger something in them that speaks to
their spirit about the kind of change and the kind
of contribution they can make. To me, it's amazing how
on social media I come across people I have never

(02:11:16):
met in my entire life by connect with them in
a way that I'm not connected with those that I
see every day. That's something or am I connect with
a language or text or word of wisdom somebody else
and I see it as wisdom. I go, wow, where
have you been all my life? I mean, I'm literally
saying this to somebody else there. It could be a

(02:11:38):
man or woman. I don't care like you all my life,
And I think this is why I said, Look, we
are duty about to educate ourselves, and education does not
necessarily mean you need to read up on everything. Some
of us are not great to be reading. Not because
you can't rery, but because you find it boring. Don't read, watch, listen, use,

(02:12:00):
do engaging conversation, but do not do not do yourself
and the next generation the disservice by not educating yourself
and by not asking questions. I am going to say
that you do. Do you need to read?

Speaker 6 (02:12:14):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (02:12:15):
You know it's boring.

Speaker 2 (02:12:16):
Even if it's boring, That's why I wrote what with
the answers to say the way it's written that you
can read small chunks, Yes, But I also want it
because lack of literacy.

Speaker 3 (02:12:30):
Is a tool. I understand, but we also have to recognize.
So I'll give you an example. My husband can watch
anything from A to C. You give him a book,
he reads. It's not like you can read, but he
finds he's not as intveeding as I am.

Speaker 2 (02:12:47):
Oh I'm not saying that he has to be into
it and saying it needs to be a part of
the practice.

Speaker 3 (02:12:53):
Okay, and I understand that, But we also have to
make rumor for those who may not be that way
incline and ways to turn that writing into other mediums
that people can't digest. That's what I'm saying. And I
think that we are now at the point, especially in
twenty twenty five, that we recognize that technology is giving
us all of these options. I see now, for instance,

(02:13:14):
sometimes on my Instagram feed, I see animation being used
to tell stories. I think that is brilliant because there'll
be people who won't sit down and read about Man
sa Musa, the Riches, you know, black Man on God's Earth,
Richen and Ilon Mask, but they'll be able to learn
about him by watching or audible to listen, because everybody

(02:13:34):
has different things. And you know the reality as well, Amanda,
is that the way I was as a child, it's
not who who I am as an adult. As much
as I would like to go to the things I
used to do as a child, somehow I would listen.
I would not drop a book until I finished it.
It doesn't matter how late it is into the night.

(02:13:56):
I can't afford because I don't have the time. I
don't have the time as a mom. I have a
time as a professional. I'd have a time as an act.
I just now need to be able to There's so
many parts of my life that are taking different chances
that you have to make the time to do some things.
So how can I How can I run and walk
at the same time without losing the beat, without trying
to be a superwoman, because Heaven knows, I am not

(02:14:17):
a super I'm not a superwoman.

Speaker 6 (02:14:20):
D D.

Speaker 3 (02:14:21):
And I kind of girl that you can let them.

Speaker 8 (02:14:28):
Go.

Speaker 29 (02:14:29):
Thank you, girless money, you.

Speaker 2 (02:14:35):
Know, oh I would.

Speaker 3 (02:14:47):
I think it's so important for us to understand our strengths,
our weaknesses, make room to improve ourselves as much as
where we need to fight the common enemy. And also
not be afraid, not be afraid to be afraid, not
be afraid to be anxious. But dude, like you said, Amanda,

(02:15:08):
put a timer on that fear and anxiety. It's true.

Speaker 2 (02:15:12):
I mean I saw with someone in here say that
ADHD makes it hard to read.

Speaker 3 (02:15:15):
Listen. I can only read three pages at a time,
I'm I'm not. I didn't say it's easy the whole book. Yeah, yeah,
I didn't say it's easy. I read three pages and
I'm like, WHOA.

Speaker 2 (02:15:28):
Well, gotta go do something now exactly exactly. I'm just
saying that, you know, even if it's an article or
something like, it becomes an exercise that we y'all have
to practice because we're so out of practice. And part
of our ADHD and our autism is also exacerbated by
the fact that we really don't take in information in

(02:15:49):
that way anymore, like you know, like we we actually
our anxiety gets triggered by having to focus because we
don't even like our chemicals are are shifted in how
we yep entertain how we engage with things.

Speaker 3 (02:16:04):
I did have I did have a question.

Speaker 2 (02:16:05):
Someone asked a question before we go, because I do
have to go to Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (02:16:14):
Someone said, what, oh, I guess I didn't start.

Speaker 2 (02:16:20):
Well, basically, someone asked like, well, what are your suggestions
for people who can't leave the country, And whether you're
in England or the US, I'm pretty sure it's the same,
but I'm curious your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (02:16:34):
Right, Okay, So when you say you can't leave the
country almost suggests that you want to.

Speaker 2 (02:16:38):
Okay, well, well, yeah, like how I was like, you know,
I really believe that we are reaching an inflection point
and if you are anti Zionists, it will become criminal
for you to exist here, and it will become incredibly
dangerous for you to exist here.

Speaker 3 (02:16:53):
And if you are not able to.

Speaker 2 (02:16:56):
Immigrate, to immigrate somewhere else, then what do you do?

Speaker 3 (02:17:01):
Okay? I think there are two things here. There are
some countries that you can get citizenship, you know from.
I think there are ways to it. I don't know. Yeah,
I've heard some people become citizens people have money. I
can people that have money.

Speaker 2 (02:17:14):
I don't know if no one has money exactly.

Speaker 3 (02:17:17):
So my thing would be this, if you're perfectly honest,
my thing would be this, unless you choose to go
work and live somewhere and get a working visas, or
you can just be out of the country. The reality
is this that we cannot afford to leave our countries
enhands of this people, because then nothing will change. I'm
not asking you to sacrifice your life or I am

(02:17:40):
saying that. I think if you're staying and you're there,
you have to be prepared for some of the worst things.
I don't want you to lose your life. I think
that now is the time for you to start your preparation.
So you do want to leave, and you're able to
get a working visas somewhere else, fine if you do.
If you have no choice but to stay, then you
need to start to arm yourself with knowledge, arm yourself

(02:18:02):
with the right circles, arm yourself with power. And that
power stops, not stop, but starts with how you engage
in your community, in your society. Don't live it to
other people to do so. It doesn't matter if you're
from a small town in Minnesota, which Trump was just
saying about, you know, Surmalians, to if there's nothing that exists,

(02:18:27):
create it. Start to create a subset community of people
that you can recognize, who are like, Okay, this is
who you can go to for legal, for accounting, for this.
You need to have a circle of people around you
that you can you can trust. And then when I
say trust, I don't mean oh my god, I'm giving

(02:18:48):
you my life. That's not what I mean. I mean
people who are like minded, people who you know are
also engaged and knowledgeable in things that you are non
knowledgeable and engaged on So start to wipe in your circle.
And can I just say to you, Let me just
say to you people that it is important for you
not to limit yourself. It's bad enough that they've limited
you by their perception. So you could be black, brown,

(02:19:10):
you can be Muslim. You could be part of a
marginalized group that is already limited by the perception of
those in power. Remove that limitation from your mind and
broaden your horizon. Start to make new friends. Start to
understand things you did not understand. And I'll tell you
this as I've grown older. I recently turned fifty. I

(02:19:31):
know I don't look at but we do try. I'd
be very bad. But one of the things I've learned
in my own journey is to unpick my learning. People,
it will shock you how much I have that I
did not realize I had internalized from white supremacy, from ignorance,
from things I was exposed to as a child, or

(02:19:54):
you know, or growing up as a teenager, or because
I just never made the time, which is why it
took the last two years for me to unpick my
learning about things that I took for granted. Okay, whether
it's about Zionism. I lived in a world. Let me
just tell you. I lived in the world at my
grand age of forty eight when October seventh happened. I

(02:20:16):
lived in a world where I thought God overcomes evil. Eventually,
the right thing will happened, we have the right people.
Only for all of that to come crashing down around
my ears, I know I need to go. I mean,
there are times that I almost take a pillow and
I want to stream into it my remote control at

(02:20:36):
the TV screen. But the only reason stopping me is
because there's a cost of living crisis. And I counted
for the privy world, so you know, you know, you
end up just managing your own expectations. I'm like, where
have I been living? What have I been doing? I
thought I was making you know, I thought I was
making impact. How can I possibly have been making any

(02:20:57):
kind of impact if I didn't even know about a
b C. I remember recently, I think it was this
year that there was a documentary and Channel four which
is a British channel, and they talked about This documentary
was about the about the far rights against Asian people,
against Bangladeshi Pakistani people in Britain. Amanda The focus of

(02:21:27):
this documentary was about the murder of some of some
of these Asian people in Britain. By the time I
finished watching it, I was I was I gat at
my own ignorance. I was ashamed that I never heard
these Asian brothers were murdered by these far right people.

(02:21:50):
I had never heard about it. I was so mad
at myself. That's me, docmentary. But this is what I'm
talking about. I have adulty to go learn about what
I don't. I don't even know what I don't know.
That's how bad it is. Do you know? The media
is used to erase history. The media is used to

(02:22:13):
dictate to us what we should know, what we should
care about. I've studied questioning every media source that I
have because I'm like, why are you telling me about
this when you're not telling me about that? Because of
course I have broadened where I get my sources from,
and so my thinking, this is what I tell my kids.
I've got three daughters and they're here in this house.

(02:22:33):
Because my husband probably disagrees with fifty percent of my
of my political views. I mean, we are centered on
all the right things, but he would say things like
when there was Brexit. He was like, breakfast's gonna happen.
I'm like, why would brexat happen? This is me. I'm
on the front line of marches. I'm speaking at rallies,
speaking out against Bretain. And I come home and my
husband's like, Breakxfit's gonna happen. You need to read the room.

(02:22:56):
These people are not listening. I'm like, that doesn't any
turn out to be right. Then there was the whole
Trump and Hillary Clinton election. I'm like, nobody in the
right mind will vote for Trump. No, no, no, no, blah
blah blah. He just looks at me and where Trump
is going with hockeys, And here I am out in protest.
I was one of the you know, co organizers in
women's mouth Baba, no, you can't do And my husband

(02:23:18):
turned out to write to be right. You know what
my daughter said to me. Let me tell what my
daughters said to me. They said, Mommy, you're very passionate.
That's very good. But daddy was right. He was right.
I am living in A'm in a bubble where I
think good must overcome evil. These people must see what's
on and these people are not on the same wavelength.

Speaker 6 (02:23:39):
As me.

Speaker 3 (02:23:40):
The same people who voted for Trump, and now especially
the marginalized people like some of the Latinas and some
of the black people that voted for him, I can
now see that his policies are directly affecting them. I'm like,
where you comatose when we told you that that's what's
going to happen. What is wrong with you people? So
I am now learning that. Okay, so you need to

(02:24:02):
take a different Because my husband always says to me,
listen the right you're going, you're going to have a
high blood pressure. I need you to I need you
to be around for a long term, so you can't
possibly be angry by everything. So now I'm like, okay,
I go back to that two thousand and six I
go he said this, Okay, let me just start to
Let let me just understand that I am not people.

(02:24:23):
Some people are not on the same wavelength. So it
has to be the point that I am not going
to lose hope because there are people out there who
don't think like me, which is why the last general
election here in the UK, people like, we only have
two choices, you either go labor or conservative. I'm like,
you have two choices.

Speaker 1 (02:24:41):
I have free I.

Speaker 3 (02:24:43):
Have Labor Tory, and everybody else is in Labor or Tori,
and I'm going to go with anybody else as well.
It's I'm telling me I don't have choices. I do
have choices. And this is what I'm saying that we
need to start to defy the start to school. We
need to start to say, you know, stop coming up
with excuses why you shouldn't do the very thing that
will change the status quo. And that's where I'm at

(02:25:06):
because I will not be responsible for your choice in
picking Kiarostama when you can already see Yesama, it's a
two facedline political prostitute. I Am not going to be
responsible for you to go and vote for Trump or
some people's case, Kamala Harris. And I'm like, m to me,
she's showing a true colors. I do not see a
difference between genocide or Trump and genocide or Kamala Harris

(02:25:30):
if she's suddenly just going to keep you know, harming Israel. Yeah,
people don't want to listen. Oh no, we can't vote
for the Green Party. Will come up with a viable alternative.
Stop acting like the Republicans and Democrats. Are your only choices.
Democrats are controlled opposition. But now, but here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:25:49):
I used to really feel like voting was a necessary tool,
and I feel more and more that voting ends up
being an I feel more and more, particularly in the
United States, that voting is somewhat of a demonstration of

(02:26:13):
the populace that they still believe in the government and.

Speaker 3 (02:26:18):
Well in people power. I see the other way, rather
than believing government, but that you believe no, Well, listen
to what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:26:23):
I'm saying that the the but in this country, the
government does not respond to people power. So even though
people get elected, that doesn't end up being an indication
that the desires of the people are going to be
met by who they have represent who they are as
representative I mean, and that's been studied and proven.

Speaker 3 (02:26:45):
They just do whatever they want. So I think at this.

Speaker 2 (02:26:48):
Point there does end up being a very aligned attachment
between voting as a actual in the United States specifically,
I can't speak out anywhere else. I can only speak
about here because that's what I know that here, voting

(02:27:08):
has become a way for the government to determine how
much faith the populace has in them that is a fact,
like there we already see by pattern recognition that they
are not governing based on the people. They use it
as a benchmark every two years to basically determine how

(02:27:36):
much they have to repress or suppress. So at one
point in time, when people would say we need to
hold the vote, I was like, that doesn't make sense
because there isn't anything alternative. Whereas at this point, I
would say, holding the vote becomes an act of resistance
because it is a show of a lack of faith

(02:27:56):
in the establishment, and that is their fear.

Speaker 3 (02:28:00):
And you see, that's where I'll slightly I would disagree
with you on because my fear now. I mean if
you if you have said this to me when I
was in my thirties or does say yeah, But now,
I'm like, holding the vote it means not participating for
actually make a change.

Speaker 2 (02:28:19):
And you can change with the VET, but you can't
make a change with what you're voting for.

Speaker 3 (02:28:24):
That's what I'm saying. So so I can you and
I can agree on this. You cannot make a change
if the options available to you are tools that are
I don't think you can't. So I know what I'm
saying what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (02:28:39):
Is that there is no version of the United States
government that will provide the current capitalist United States government
that will provide you tools to make it change so
and doesn't matter who you plug into it, right, it
does not, It can't. It's literally like trying to put
a square peg in a circle.

Speaker 3 (02:28:59):
And I see what you're saying, but I think, and
I'll tell you. I'll tell you this. I see what
you're saying, and I think, to some extent I kind
of agree, except where I see that something like orm
Danny's win kind of Let me tell you what I'm thinking.
Let me tell you what I'm thinking. I know you're
shaking your head. Just hold up a second, Zora and Mam.
Danny came from way out of the field, right. He

(02:29:20):
started off with one percent or something, right, he would
not have even been in the vision of of real opposition.
And I think that not only was he saying the writings,
but he gave the He presented himself as being on
the very issues that people wanted to address. And watch

(02:29:41):
how people power shifted in taking his one percent to
over fifty percent. That is where I think people power him.
What oh no, and then what we'll see from January.
We will see see from January. We're already seeing he's
already doing.

Speaker 2 (02:29:58):
So what I'm saying is that even though that's an example,
you just named one mayoral race in an entire country,
that's an anomaly.

Speaker 3 (02:30:09):
That's not an exception. Absolutely absolutely, But I think part
of the problem as well as we They are probably
lots of a good few more Zora Mam Danny's out there.
We don't even know that Dora Mam Danny is Zora.
When I say Zora Mam Danny, let's just use it
metaphorically as somebody that can ghana people's support and and

(02:30:31):
be on the issues that people care about.

Speaker 2 (02:30:33):
No waring Zionism and theism. Listen, Shola, the framework is
embedded in Zionism.

Speaker 3 (02:30:43):
So I don't play with you.

Speaker 2 (02:30:45):
I don't disagree in the United States that we end
up talking about Like here in the US, everyone ends
up talking about MEGA, which I get right because MEGA
is very powerful and they're very impactful. However, they consistently
disassociate that MEGA and Democrats are both on the same
page with Zionism.

Speaker 3 (02:31:03):
And I'm hearing you, but you're not hearing me. I'm
saying that in look at how Zion, I disagree with you. Okay, okay, good,
Then when I look here, I disagree or that's what
I live here, So I'm telling you that somebody live here.
I'm using it, not just as the United States. I'm
also using it.

Speaker 2 (02:31:22):
But I have completely I have I have said that
I'm only couching this in the United States.

Speaker 3 (02:31:26):
I can't anywhere else. Well, what I'm trying to say
here is I'm not ignoring scientists. Is she frozen or
is it me? Am I frozen? Or she frozen? Is
she frozen?

Speaker 2 (02:31:43):
Orm my frozen? Damn Well, she'll come back. Someone said,
let's hear her point of view. We did hear her
point of view. What I'm saying.

Speaker 3 (02:31:56):
Is people power.

Speaker 2 (02:32:01):
Becomes something different if it's powering.

Speaker 3 (02:32:06):
Oh you're and for us? Okay, what were you saying? Okay, okay.
So what I'm trying to say is this, I'm not
ignoring zionis if I'm not imploring Maga, I'm not ignoring
any of those powers. I'm using Ma'm Danny as an
example where all of these powerful systems and forces could
not stop power from changing the outcome. Now, whether or

(02:32:27):
not Zora Mom, Daddy ends up being like the system,
or you know, successfully fights a system. We will see
or maybe we're still seeing. It doesn't change the fact
that in the face of the powerful, all of the
horrible things they did against him, that people power went
f you, We're still going to vote for him. That's

(02:32:48):
what I'm pointing out. So I'm not even talking about Zora,
but I'm Daddy's character or him as a person. No,
I'm really just talking about people power.

Speaker 2 (02:32:56):
And what I'm saying is that what happens in this
nation is that we are giving crumbs of exception that
we then name as the rule, and it continues to
tie us to practices that don't actually help us. So

(02:33:17):
one Zora Mamdani, for me, cannot be considered a rule
of possibility when it really doesn't match up with the
realm of reality.

Speaker 3 (02:33:29):
And that realm.

Speaker 2 (02:33:30):
Says that even though he did get elected by the people,
which is a beautiful thing, we are still seeing the
Zionist rule and we saw it start to happen during
that process. And furthermore, I am now in the United
States as someone who was a staunch voter, like staunch
proud like the dynamics made sense. I will say, dynamic shift,

(02:33:57):
you know, like it's like something that made like when
we say we vote because people died for it in
the sixties, Yes, And then those same people will tell
you that after they died for it and got the
right to vote and thought that it was going to
shift the culture of this nation, it didn't, and it
made them lose faith in the actual establishment that they

(02:34:19):
were working so hard to be a part of. So
what I'm saying is that in this time, I'm having
a revelation around voting because so many of us see
voting as participatory and thus a necessity, because it demonstrates
that we're here.

Speaker 3 (02:34:37):
It's kind of like a proof of life.

Speaker 2 (02:34:39):
And I never would have considered not voting protests until
I began to understand that the establishment sees our vote
as a way to keep us passive. It presents it
to us as our greatest tool. Here in the United States,

(02:35:00):
they present voting as our greatest tool.

Speaker 3 (02:35:04):
They do the same in the UK, absolutely, but.

Speaker 2 (02:35:10):
It ends up making us feel like, well, then I
guess we don't have to resist. I guess we don't
have to form our own communities because we're going to
do our work in the vote, and the.

Speaker 3 (02:35:19):
Point is how we use that vote and how that
vote is the weaponized against us. And this is where
I have the issue, because everything you're saying about how
the system works and establishment, I see our hand in it.
I see our hands. So if I use Britain as
an example, and maybe can you translate to America, I
see a hand in how we elect our members of parliament.

(02:35:40):
Every member of parliament you elect becomes your representative in parliament,
right in the houses of Parliament. And what then happens
is if you exercise your vote to voting a bad person,
you know, somebody, somebody you know that is deeply problematic
on issues that may not necessarily impact you but impacts
other people. You're part of the problem. You're part of

(02:36:01):
creating that establishment. And I've witnessed that in the way
I've observed you as politics, in the way people justify
who they vote for and how they defend it. And
I'm saying, how can you not see all this? And
they come up with, you know, the lesser of to evils.
I'm like, this lesser off to evils is still evil.
The problem is you are not presenting yourself with an alternative,

(02:36:24):
and even if an alternative comes you then convince yourself
that you can't go with the alternative because your alternative
isn't powerful enough. And I'm like, you do understand that
the only reason the Republicans and Democrats are powerful in
the state, the Conservatives and the Labor Party are powerful
in Britain, is because you keep voting for them. If once,

(02:36:45):
if just for once, the majority of the populace decided
to take their votes away from these people, take your
votes away from them, there's jack or they can do
about it. Give it to somebody else, Try somebody else,
even if it's even if it looks impossible, even if
it looks at it, we have one percent. It even
looks at what they don't it, send it to us.
Stop that bullshit, Stop all those excuses that they fed

(02:37:07):
into your head, and just go a different route. So
here's where.

Speaker 2 (02:37:10):
I have to challenge you on this, because you're speaking
about voting as if it is done fairly and as
and it's not right. Like we're speaking about this in
the context of there being some actual.

Speaker 3 (02:37:25):
Like legitimacy to voting.

Speaker 2 (02:37:28):
And I can tell you for a fact, the United
States has has destabilized, has infiltrated, has affected every not every,
but one hundred and sixty one of the one hundred
and sixty three countries in the UN. It has had

(02:37:48):
a hand in one of their elections or another. Yes,
So in knowing that, we have to trust that if
they're doing it everywhere else, they practice it here first.

Speaker 3 (02:37:58):
So I say that to say, let me post this thing.
Did I bring it up? So like right now, right.

Speaker 2 (02:38:06):
You've got this thing happening in uh hold on, hold on,
hold on, hold on, I'm bringing this up right. No, okay,
this is going on in New Orleans. Of course, my
phone just freaking died, Okay. So basically right now, they're

(02:38:34):
bringing Zionism down to the local level.

Speaker 13 (02:38:36):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (02:38:37):
So they are meeting with the mayors of cities across
the nation. And you're right, this is a response to Iran,
without question, right, this is absolutely your response is oron.
They are coming, they are bringing down they are coming
together with mayors across the nation to now influence them
to create legislation that criminalizes anti Semitic language. And they're

(02:39:01):
and they're starting with a black mayor of one of
the blackest cities in the world.

Speaker 3 (02:39:07):
New Orleans. Probably design is Christian, no doubt, no doubt. Probably.

Speaker 2 (02:39:16):
So when I see that, I say, okay, So this
lets us know that any election, well, Louisiana politics all
has been sketchy anyway, but any election.

Speaker 3 (02:39:27):
With Zion it is involved. We know it's not above board,
it's not about board, it's not listen. We have to
recognize that these obstacles exist, This power systems, this forces
exist because they're the stature squall and they and you know,
they're the goliath to our David. But we cannot say

(02:39:49):
that because of that goliath. So for instance, uh in
in in the in the UK, we go what they
call first past post right, which is deeply problematic in
how our political parties win the elections. It's almost similar
to you guys with your electrocologies and blah blah blah,
because it's not how many people voted that ends up
being a persuasive win, it is it is this system.

(02:40:10):
And we need to get rid of this first past
Suppose I am saying that we, regardless of how huge,
powerful and forceful Goliath is, should not stop our David
from throwing that freaking stone, from throwing the stone.

Speaker 2 (02:40:27):
I'm saying he has to change the stone.

Speaker 3 (02:40:29):
That's all I'm saying. The stone. I'm with you, I'm
with you, That's what I'm saying. At this point. The bulletin,
at this point, the bulletin is not a stone. The
voting is a curtain bar. That's all, whether it is
voting or any other But we need to still throw
down that stone whatever, whatever, however that stone might manifest,

(02:40:51):
it needs to be done. It must be done or
else nothing will.

Speaker 2 (02:40:55):
I'm saying is that we have to innovate the way
that we are operating because it is working.

Speaker 3 (02:41:01):
Right. So if we've been doing the innovator the way
we're operating.

Speaker 2 (02:41:05):
We have to birth a new method, Like you said,
most launched the innovation of this powerful forces.

Speaker 3 (02:41:13):
This is this is my thing.

Speaker 2 (02:41:15):
I feel like if the if the force. Okay, so
remember you were saying like they are David, right, so
they we have the David.

Speaker 3 (02:41:24):
Sorry, they're Glia, they're Goliath. So okay.

Speaker 2 (02:41:27):
You know when you see a moving car and there's
something on the car that is like stopping the car right,
like it's preventing it from moving. The best way to
get that thing off the car is to do what
tell me, pop.

Speaker 3 (02:41:42):
Stop.

Speaker 2 (02:41:42):
If you are driving and there's somebody chasing you, the
best way to.

Speaker 3 (02:41:48):
Get them to stop is to stop.

Speaker 2 (02:41:51):
And so what I'm saying is that if we're dealing
with something that's of a greater force, oh let me
put let me cut this person. Sorry, I have to
blow this. If we're dealing with a greater force than
what we can manage with force, then we have to
judo and we have to use their force against it.

Speaker 3 (02:42:12):
Will look, I mean agreement with you. So for instance,
another example you just give now about how zonus are
going to the local level in response to Zoron, we
need to be working at a freaking local level. We
need to be way out. Yeah. So I'm saying that
the same.

Speaker 2 (02:42:29):
Like someone else said right here, voting takes five minutes,
do that and everything else.

Speaker 3 (02:42:33):
What I'm trying to express. What I'm trying to express is.

Speaker 2 (02:42:37):
That our continued involvement in upholding the establishment with our participation,
continues to give it breath. Our continued involvement in upholding
capitalism in the in the traditional way continues to give
it breath.

Speaker 3 (02:42:56):
So you see people who are talking about how do
we barter?

Speaker 2 (02:42:59):
Right, Like I'm trying to do things very differently with
how I run my merchantile right, because I'm trying to
undermine the systems, and what I'm saying to y'all is
I'm just floating the concept of.

Speaker 3 (02:43:15):
How does removal.

Speaker 2 (02:43:18):
From an establishment cripple that establishment if you are the
thing that keeps it going.

Speaker 3 (02:43:24):
Okay, that's all I'm saying. That's what I'm saying when
it comes when it comes to things like you know,
these establishments, you'll removal will not change the establishment because
they stopped what we don't know. We've never tried it. No,
don't know that. Okay, So okay, it means that you
are saying different from what I'm saying. I'm saying, vote, well,
vote totally different. Don't vote for these two many politicians

(02:43:45):
you say, don't vote at all.

Speaker 2 (02:43:48):
Because y'all, I'm saying, I'm at where I'm at a point, Shola,
where I feel that we should not be participating in
their system them.

Speaker 3 (02:44:00):
We should have our own system, but that system the
only way we can change that system.

Speaker 2 (02:44:06):
We are actually not governed by that system because we
can't even control the way we're governed.

Speaker 3 (02:44:10):
At this point, we are like no law Amanda, this
is what But this is what we must do now.
We must change the way we are governed by. Like
example I gave you earlier, starting with how we elect
our representatives.

Speaker 2 (02:44:24):
I don't believe that makes sense because we don't have
power over how we elect our representatives.

Speaker 3 (02:44:29):
You know, Okay, So if I don't vote, for instance,
let let's say, for instance, let's use Zoron as an example. Yeah,
and people decided, you know what, it's not going to
make any difference anyway Cuomo would win or that other
guy would win. Then Zone would never have won, Cuomo
would have won. There wild'll be no way to change.

Speaker 2 (02:44:48):
One person is but one person. I'm saying, like if
an entire populace is like, you know what, fuck election
and we're going Now, let me say this, It's not
just that, Like I want to make that point too,
Like I'm not saying just not vote.

Speaker 3 (02:45:07):
What I'm saying is.

Speaker 2 (02:45:09):
There's that and then and the end then is how
are we shifting how we are engaging with those other
systems in the same way, right, like the systems that.

Speaker 3 (02:45:20):
Those votes control.

Speaker 2 (02:45:22):
And this is not something that happens like in the
snap of a finger. But what all I'm suggesting is
that the methodology of voting as an efficable, as an
ethical meth the methodology of voting as an effective tool
has yet to be proven in a very in a
in a long standing and real way. Like ultimately Zorn's
been elected, but we're still like, oh, he kept Jessica

(02:45:45):
tistion position. He don't he wants talking Jeffries to be
the Speaker of the House. He he is rolling back
his his support of like the global inte, the globalized,
the indefata, et cetera.

Speaker 3 (02:45:59):
Like you have some chick on here who is.

Speaker 2 (02:46:01):
Like false Amanda, you know, because she's very passionate about
voting as a tool. And the reality is is that
voting as a tool is not.

Speaker 3 (02:46:16):
It is a tool.

Speaker 2 (02:46:18):
I do not consider it to be an effective tool
at this point.

Speaker 3 (02:46:21):
This is why I'm saying that, Amanda, what we need
to do is find a way to use to use
voting as a much more effective tool. We need to
broaden a third party. No no, not just a third party,
not just a third party, but we need to widen
our breath of full real quick.

Speaker 2 (02:46:43):
Hey, Amy, you got one more fucking comment before I
remove you from here, because I don't know who the
hell you think you're talking to?

Speaker 3 (02:46:49):
You got one more? What does she say?

Speaker 2 (02:46:52):
She says, in here talking to me like have you
door knocked? Do you not like the way that y'all
be talking to me like I'm your little friend. I
don't know who you think you're talking to. Rolando already
removed her because they be white women.

Speaker 3 (02:47:11):
That's kind of thing.

Speaker 2 (02:47:11):
So when the white girls been talking to me crazy,
I'd be like, get out of here.

Speaker 3 (02:47:15):
Okay, what were you saying? I think that what we
need to do is breadth, is to widen our breath
of Let me just use the world fighters. Okay, there's
going to be something I can bring to the table
in this whole voting and how we use voting that
other people and other people can bring different things. What
we are missing, I think is that skill set, the knowledge,

(02:47:37):
and the you know, a way to bring all that hardness,
all that enabled to be able to in order to
be able to then change the establishment, change how voting
can be used to call me do this. This have
to be a cool for that? Why isn't cool? Look
it a cool doesn't have to be military, whether you
call it resistance a cool, whatever, it is led to

(02:48:00):
me and to you that we are at an existential
point now that literally our lives, liberty, and livelihoods are
at risk. So if you want to use the word
could resistance, I don't care. Something needs to change and
that needs to change. We're not I'm definitely not advocating
or endorsing for blood to shed. We don't need to

(02:48:21):
do that, I A. But what I'm endorsing advocating is
we need to know what we can all bring to
the table the same way Zionists are now going to infiltrate,
you know, at the local level. We need to start
working that local level. We need to understand. Listen, the
way Amanda you are aware of what they're doing is
where millions of people are not even aware. So how

(02:48:42):
can you start to fight your enemy when you don't
even understand or know what your enemy is? You can't. No,
you can't, That's right.

Speaker 2 (02:48:49):
I mean, that's why political education, That's why I do
this show for free, you know, like that's literally why,
that's why my book talks are for free. You know,
if you can, if you can buy a bug grade,
if you can't, like that's really why. However, and if
you can you're describing as and that would educate you too,
And yes, what you're describing that was reform and reform will.

Speaker 3 (02:49:11):
I'm not into the reform. I have several to.

Speaker 2 (02:49:17):
You are because although you're saying you still want to
work within the system, you.

Speaker 3 (02:49:22):
Know, I don't want you guys out. I want to
change the system, but I also understand for me to
change the system, sometimes I'm going to need somebody's in
the system who is like me, who's ready to change
something and they can't use them also build other things
outside the system. I'm gonna do it. And I and
I had this.

Speaker 2 (02:49:42):
I used to feel this way, but then I met
the people in the system, the ones who I thought
were like that, and at the end of the day,
and at the end of the day, it became toxic
positivity because I'm like, well, these people have not demonstrated
the revolution in my mindset, because they're still having to
do a dance of power. You have to be willing

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to go in and get kicked out like that, to
me is the only real effort.

Speaker 3 (02:50:07):
But that's because progress takes time.

Speaker 2 (02:50:10):
So why it actually doesn't take when I say when
I say it takes time, let me landis let me land.

Speaker 3 (02:50:18):
When I say it takes time, it's because I am
not looking for reform. I'm looking for revolution. When I
say it takes time, I'm talking about finding the people.

Speaker 11 (02:50:27):
The people.

Speaker 3 (02:50:28):
Yes, we have to create the people, need to create
those those people, some of whom you do not know.
Some of them I don't know. Yes, somewhere in LA
right now, who is the perfect candidate, perfect candidate, But
we don't know each other. That is where time comes
in and the moment all of this bits click boom.
That's let me ask you a question. What does your

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husband think? He probably not even probably what he thinks
generally is my view, my thoughts. What you and I
discuss now sounds really good. But he's more of a realist,
so he would go, but do you understand what you're facing?
And how long? Doubted? Because the majority of people out

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there are not only willfully ignorant, so.

Speaker 2 (02:51:15):
So for instance, that that's a fact they.

Speaker 3 (02:51:21):
Willingly participate in their own demids because all they're looking
at is somebody else. They're pointing, they're blaming, blaming other
people for their problem. But they are tools to maintain
the oppression, that establishment. You know, imposes on us. My
husband is of the mind. He is his own is
more like you need to you need to pay attention

(02:51:43):
to what those people are doing, because you're not talking
about voting. Most people are probably more than you. They're
probably more of them who are willing to come out
to vote, willing to be weaponized as tools. While amongst
us here we're not even unified. Sometimes we're talking across purposes.
We can't even get our acts together so that we

(02:52:05):
can create a formidable force to create the revolution that
we want to see, so that we end up working
in silos, and when one of us gets crushed, there's
not rising, there's not writing from different podcasts. Go let's
get the back hop, let's hear the back cop rush
go go down. That's it. That is the problem. That's

(02:52:26):
part of them, because those on that side don't have
that issue. They're so unified in their hate and bigotry,
in their want of other people are the problem because
the people on top of them their needs keep telling
them or you see you see that plate of cookie,
we just want cookie. He wants to take it from you.
One of the persons telling them that, like have a plate.

(02:52:47):
Now the house is full of cookies and they refuse
to show up. So to me, it is part of
the problem that those of us on this side and
say we must do something, You're not gonna you get
fine a most well, you know you need to be

(02:53:11):
very careful which your language. Revolution can be. Are you mad?
What else are you gonna call it? It is a
freaking revolution. While you're waiting your time police turning me.
There are people who are dying from hunger, stoppation, being
discriminated against. They need a revolution of freaking reform because
reform is not going to save them. Reform is not
going to change anything. Let me stop there. So the

(02:53:37):
last thing I say, because I have to go, have
to go.

Speaker 2 (02:53:45):
Something that was very unique about the Black Panthers and
also similarly unique about like the Zapatistas, ye is they
understood that they just needed to start. They didn't need
necessarily everybody. They needed to provide another option, right, And

(02:54:10):
so what I'm suggesting is that that other option has
to be a completely other option, and that's not a
political party. The other option has to be antithetical to
the system that continues to oppress us. It cannot be,

(02:54:32):
it cannot utilize that system, which is why NGO's in
the United States end up becoming so problematic because in
order for them to operate, they end up having to
use the actual system that creates the need for them.

Speaker 3 (02:54:45):
Right suggested what what what would be if it's not
if it's not a political party, what would it be?

Speaker 2 (02:54:51):
So like for instance, the Black Panthers were they became
they were, they started to become possibly a political party,
but essentially they were the Black Panther Party for Freedom
and Revolution, and so they were literally a community organization.

Speaker 3 (02:55:06):
Hamas also started the same way.

Speaker 2 (02:55:08):
By the way, they started as an organization that provided
the community with what it needed, and it was a
very easy way to identify what it needed because the
government had not provided any of those things. So, for instance,
we just had a brother on earlier for sixty second
headlines who talked about that he teaches in a school
in Atlanta, and majority of the kids in his class
don't have hygiene because they don't have parents that are

(02:55:29):
able to care for them the way they need to
for whatever reason. Right they are tired, they are often
having to care for their children, for their younger siblings,
and they all suffer from asthma.

Speaker 3 (02:55:39):
By nature of smoke and having to breathe and smoke.

Speaker 2 (02:55:42):
And I could promise you people that are smoking around
them are people who are suffering from stress and anxiety.

Speaker 3 (02:55:47):
And that's why they're smoking.

Speaker 2 (02:55:49):
So you end up providing the necessities that people require
to be able to live in a comfortable way. The
United States government, I can't speak for the UK.

Speaker 3 (02:56:00):
The United States government.

Speaker 2 (02:56:01):
Actively chooses not to require those things because they want
you to have to depend on the government, right, they
want that. As much as they try and say that's
not what they want, their.

Speaker 3 (02:56:11):
Actions demonstrate something else.

Speaker 2 (02:56:13):
So what I'm saying is that we have organizations all
throughout the United States that do fill these gaps.

Speaker 13 (02:56:21):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:56:21):
However, there really has to become more formalized methods around
this that decidedly debunk or disassociate from the way these
other systems are running. And a lot of that is
going to have to happen in starting in small towns,
because in small towns.

Speaker 3 (02:56:42):
You know, it was fascinating.

Speaker 2 (02:56:43):
I was at a baby shower the other day, and
I live in a small town, and I was talking
to some of the people there. Girl, They're talking about
the person who controls the water system like who fixes
the water tanks by first name, and they're like, oh yeah,
and he is also the head of the volunteer fire department,
and it's also et cetera, et cetera. So you already
have these towns that are quote unquote incorporated. So in

(02:57:05):
the United States, towns are incorporated. They literally have to
be a business. They operate as a business that pays taxes.
So there's there's there's these things in place, Doctor Shola mass.

Speaker 3 (02:57:17):
That most showy mood you have to say, the fool
thingsis when did that? When did the shabami mood come
into play? I feel like you never used to have that.
I only knew you was sho Lamas. Are you kidding me?
That's my name? Okay, well I only knew you at Sholamas.
So doctor Shola Shabai Moon, thank you here are.

Speaker 2 (02:57:39):
But what you asked, basically, what I'm illuminating.

Speaker 8 (02:57:42):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (02:57:44):
First of all, we have templates here in the United
Statess because black people were forced to do this right,
So before we were even allowed to be a part
of the legislative process, we had to have and we
were segregated.

Speaker 3 (02:57:54):
We had literally created our own communities. Did they come
and shut us down.

Speaker 2 (02:57:57):
Yes, but you over time, like you said, progress, you
also learn, right, So it's like, okay, well we didn't
have a militarized element before.

Speaker 3 (02:58:05):
That's what we need to have.

Speaker 2 (02:58:07):
Like, there's just all I'm stating is that there is
no version of harm reduction that's gonna happen, that's gonna
change anything. So I want to make that clear. I
am very much about the fact that it's gonna need blood.
That's just the way things work.

Speaker 3 (02:58:19):
But I think what you just said, Amanda is you're
not coming close to what I would say when I
said of what we need is to build a couisive
more uh, you know, a way to harness all of
these our superpowers. We just don't recognize what these superpowers are.
That people with skill sets, people in the right position,

(02:58:39):
people people like you and I, some of whom are
probably watching and listening right now, but can't even we
are not identifying ourselves. We need to work in unity,
so across in the United States, in all of these
in different states, you start pulling together locally that then
you know statewide, and then nationally. The more you pull
all of this skill sets together, the more powerful you

(02:59:02):
being how you can work. How wealth are designists and
white supremacists able to function. It's not because it's not
because they all watch perfect people. It's because they're working
one accord for what. They're unified on one thing and
one thing only reach is supremacy. We need to get
our act together on this side. So whether that's in

(02:59:23):
the United Kingdom and the United States, we need to
start working. Look gathering those people, like you said with
the black panther meeting. The nature of communities means that
you end up meeting people, educating, having conversations listed, and
hearing other people bring skill sets. People are already established
in different walks of life, and those are the same

(02:59:43):
people that you're going to need. I mean, let me
use on mobia. Yeah, but I agree with you.

Speaker 2 (02:59:47):
I'm just saying that I don't consider voting to be
I consider that needing to happen as a complete turning
their back to a system.

Speaker 3 (02:59:58):
And there has to be that and it has to system, Amanda,
that system that becomes a viable alternative that you want
to discuss, that that that you want to happen. I
think that in that progress to getting there, these communities
of people who will then start connecting the dots. Must
have to make that what's going must that to hit

(03:00:19):
the establishments until we've created that alternative system.

Speaker 6 (03:00:24):
Hit it.

Speaker 8 (03:00:25):
No, no no.

Speaker 3 (03:00:26):
When we say hit it, and I mean right now,
I could vote for somebody and have no power in
what happens and who that person is or how they
will function. My point is the more there are people
like us, and we are growing people. So there could
be another zona ma'm danny out there. I'm only using
him as an example, only as an example, not because

(03:00:47):
it's perfect, just as an example. Okay, there could be
another zona ma'm danny out there who does not have
the resource, who doesn't have the way to go together.
Might there be another zoram'm danny, is what I'm trying
to say. So they won't let there be why we
must fight that, and we have more people like us
in this establishment. As we build the alternative you're talking about,

(03:01:10):
we need to have more people like us. People like
us don't go into establishment.

Speaker 2 (03:01:15):
I don't have any business in establishment because I'm ineffective
in an establishment.

Speaker 3 (03:01:19):
But the establishment is what governs the food on your table,
the clothes in your back of the roof, or but
it doesn't have to be. It doesn't have to be.
It does.

Speaker 2 (03:01:27):
Why it does it is because we does it. But
it does so for instance, No, that's because we keep
empowering it.

Speaker 3 (03:01:35):
And I don't want us to keep empowering empowering it
because right now, as an example for the next I
mean once your next general election twenty twenty eight or something.

Speaker 2 (03:01:43):
Right, well, we have mid terms next year. Okay, you
have meat terms or it's all go to change your president.
We also, president is the least important part of all.

Speaker 3 (03:01:50):
Of this, I understand. My point is this, whether until
you have your mid terms, until you have your next
general election, we are governed by the establishment, is correct,
So we need to start building. Just like designers are
going to the local level and trying to recruit mayors
and all of that, we need to start recruiting the

(03:02:10):
mayors and people are representative from council level to any
other level. That's what we need to be doing because
until this whole I don't agree.

Speaker 2 (03:02:19):
I don't agree with you, because the designers control the system.
So you're trying to get you're trying to you're trying
to put people into a system that is controlled by
a bigger force. So the only way to dismantle that
system is to find its weakness and to also not
keep giving it fuel.

Speaker 3 (03:02:35):
And that's the all why so we're going to agree
to disagree when we're going to agree to disagree, because
when you find a weakness, when you do find a
weakness in the establishment, you need people who are brave
enough while you're still trying to bring this alternative thing,
who are going to shed the light, who are going
to strike the match that will set fire. It doesn't
matter if it's a tiny fire, it doesn't matter if

(03:02:57):
it's a small pebble, small stone, a daily that can
throw that into into the head forehead of the goliath.
You still need them until this system you're talking about
comes to pass. You still that work? Sorry, have you
ever seen that work? I've not. Every time there's there's
been a start of something. Look at Africa as a continent,

(03:03:20):
America goes in and kills them. And one of the
reasons America has been successful in toppling foreign governments and
and you know, invading and the storm is because half
the time the Africans there don't even understand what is happening,
and then they weaponize other Africans there who are only

(03:03:41):
interested in their self interest to kill the Patrick's Lamba
and other people. This is how we change things by
educating each other, by stating not just information gathering, people gathering,
come here, you need to be educated. This is what
they've done to your people. This is what they're doing
to us. We need to change. We need to stop

(03:04:01):
doing that effectively. That's what I'm saying education. But that's
what we do here on this show.

Speaker 2 (03:04:07):
We are we have to build a populace that actually
it looks at the establishment until unless there is unless
there is an establishment that actually gives a damn about
the populacet.

Speaker 3 (03:04:16):
You have to build a populist that actually gives a
damn about the populace. And we do not have that
here in the United States.

Speaker 2 (03:04:22):
Our populist treats the government like celebrity saviors. And so
I see people in the chat who are like, well,
this is you know where we are right now. So
we just have to deal with where we are right now.
That is what has been being said forever.

Speaker 3 (03:04:37):
We just have to deal with whatever we are now.

Speaker 2 (03:04:40):
Quite honestly, a very self centered mindset, and the truth
is is that a lot of y'all are not gonna
die for shit.

Speaker 3 (03:04:45):
So when, when, when? And when Shola, when.

Speaker 2 (03:04:48):
Doctor Big Mamo is Bobby move is saying, you know
we need people with a light. I'm gonna tell you
I disagree. I think it's that you need people with
a with a light and who are willing to go
out for this. And it's the same thing whether it's
death or whether it's career or death. If we had

(03:05:09):
a if we had people willing to go into government
and turn turn up and get kicked out, this would
have been not a problem. The problem is that we
get people like Jasmin Kraft is a great example, who
go in, they have a spark about them, they have
a desire to really shake shit up. But then they
get enamored with access, they get enamored with being that girl,

(03:05:30):
They get enamored with the with the thought process that
maybe I can change things, and so their mission shifts
and they become a part of the establishment versus as
just the wrench thrown in to mess it up.

Speaker 3 (03:05:42):
And until we have people willing to not only do that, but.

Speaker 2 (03:05:46):
A community to catch them when they come out and
know that they don't have to still be a part
of the because that's the other part. If the community
outside it is still tethered to that establishment, then then
when that person falls out, they're still not able to
find their way. This is what happens with prison. People
go into prison. They should be able to do their
time and come back to society and live.

Speaker 3 (03:06:07):
They can't.

Speaker 2 (03:06:08):
Society has completely walls up not able to help them.
So all I'm suggesting is that we have to take
a very pragmatic look at what destabilizing really is and
understanding that it is going to destabilize not only the
system but us for a time. And that destabilization is

(03:06:30):
what gets people saying, well, let's just still do this
little part because it feels crazy to change a methodology
that has been ingrained in us.

Speaker 3 (03:06:41):
And with that, please tell people about the book.

Speaker 10 (03:06:44):
I do have to go.

Speaker 3 (03:06:46):
Or give Mede my book.

Speaker 30 (03:06:47):
This is what I resists, Yes, yes, yes, So this
is what I resist is my conversation about the real
issues we face, about the way our identity as black people.

Speaker 3 (03:07:00):
It's constantly my line marginalized, commoditized, and criminalized. This is
me saying I could not give a rad sarce. This
is me saying, every single time you bring this to me.
This is what I'm going to do to you. This
is me saying like I will stand in the roots
to you know, to the root of my gore. In fact,
at the beginning, if I may just read something quickly

(03:07:22):
that that I felt, I kind of like, I felt
like this kind of encapsulates where where I am and
here I go. I stand on the shoulders of greatness
as my ancestors before me. I will not be silenced.
I will not be silent. If you come for me,
I will come for you. This is why I resist.

(03:07:43):
That's I mean. It pretty much sums up my where
I am at in the way that I view and
I've observed, and I intend to fight what is clearly
a concerted effort to continually, you know, destroy black people
on the way that our identity is weaponized against us.
I don't have time for that, BS. I want to

(03:08:05):
be able to say, you know, you know, earlier I
talked about what it needs to be black in Britain,
and I want to be able to say I am this.
I am African from the roots of my hair to
the source of my feet. People don't get it wrong.
And yes I'm British, but don't tell me how I
should be British, same way nobody should tell you how

(03:08:26):
you should be American and were native, how American and
you know wherever else you you know your heritage is.
Then it's all I'm sick and tired of the women
that we are constantly, constantly addressed. And that's what this
book does. It touches on political activism. It touches definitely

(03:08:46):
on our identity as as women, and especially when you
think about how feminism, you know, feminism is often weaponized
against us to include us right and using personal anecdotes
as well. I'm just saying, listen, people, you come from me,
I will come for you. I don't have time, I

(03:09:08):
do not come ready for the fight. And you hear
it in my voice. I am ready for the fight
because I've seen too many people be persecuted just because
they're different, and I'm not going to have it.

Speaker 2 (03:09:21):
All right, y'all, that's another book club book. They started
a whole boo club. I didn't even tell me, thank
you Sheila so much for joining us, and probably all
got a whole treat right there, because that was a
solid two hours.

Speaker 3 (03:09:35):
Like whoa, oh my god, god, we were having a party.
We're having fun. We agreed, we disagreed. It's all good.
Thank you for having in Amandoland. Yes, that was a
treat y'all. That was a treat.

Speaker 2 (03:09:54):
So before we get out of here, I did actually
find that image that I was mentioning.

Speaker 3 (03:10:03):
To doctor Shola that was hold on, where is it?
So you know this is a real thing.

Speaker 2 (03:10:20):
You can read about it in Current Affairs magazine, which
is a journalistic resource that I support, and I hope
that you guys can understand that, you know, the conversation
that Shola and I had, like these are the types
of discussions and debates that need to be had, like discourse, right,
people who have the same values but are looking at

(03:10:42):
different routes to get there. And so often those conversations
don't get to happen, you know what I mean, Like
they end up becoming contentious or they really just don't
get to happen because people can't understand the difference between
passion and actual like contempt. Like I'm not going to
have that kind of conversation with someone like Angela Rye

(03:11:03):
or Roland Martin because our values aren't the same in
my opinion. However, I know that Shola and I have
the same values when it comes to a desire to
be in resistance and to be in revolution, and so
I really appreciate her willingness also to be in that
conversation with me, because that wasn't even like the intention,
Like that wasn't even like our plan to get into that.

(03:11:24):
But that's where conversation goes. You take it there, and
I'm so glad that you guys also got to be
a part of that in the chat. And I also
want to remind you that you don't have to agree today,
you know, like these are the types of thought processes
that simmer and that marinate within you, and that you
get other ideas and other sparks or maybe revelations, et
cetera that come along and say, oh, well, maybe maybe

(03:11:47):
I did, actually maybe I don't, just maybe I don't
agree with that, blah blah blah. Like these are the
types of things that we don't allow ourselves.

Speaker 3 (03:11:54):
To do a lot of times because we don't even
have time to.

Speaker 2 (03:11:57):
But I hope that it was effortful for you, because
it was definitely effortful for me. And I was having
an epiphany while I was having the conversation because, to
be quite honest, I'd never really said that out loud.
I'd never really thought about the concept of what does
not voting actually mean. And that's because all the people
who would always say, oh, we should not vote, we

(03:12:18):
should not vote, would never express to me what it
actually demonstrates. What is not voting actually demonstrate what is
the action doing? What is it symbolizing, and what is
it actualizing? And that is a thing that has always
got to be attached to something that's being told to
me to do.

Speaker 3 (03:12:36):
There has to be what is the.

Speaker 2 (03:12:37):
Symbolism and what is the actualism behind it? And I
feel like only now at this point have I come
to truly understand, Oh, that's what the symbolism and the
actualism behind it.

Speaker 3 (03:12:48):
It is literally saying we are not.

Speaker 2 (03:12:50):
Participating, So then that means that the actualism has to
be then what are you participating in instead? And that
is where the community building is required. That is where
theolks who are saying, well, damn, if I can't get
out of this country, then what do I do? That
is where you do you do in What we were
talking about throughout this whole conversation, which is identifying the

(03:13:11):
ways in which you and your community are going to
exist without the help of these places. The more that
you can create sovereignty within this land is the only
way that you're going to be able to shut shit down.
And that is a very real thing, and it doesn't
feel real because it hasn't been presented to you as
a real option. We look at history as a guide,

(03:13:36):
and we also remember that history is then and we
are now. There are similarities, there are inflection points that
are reflections of each other. However, there are also variations,
and we have to take all of that into consideration
when we imagine and we create vision and define.

Speaker 3 (03:14:00):
Strategy for how we live.

Speaker 2 (03:14:04):
We're watching animals have to do that in real time
right now on an ever changing earth because of us,
where their methods of hunting to live have had to shift.

Speaker 3 (03:14:14):
In real time. Yes, we have always hunted this, It's
always been here, just like in the past. However, now.

Speaker 2 (03:14:27):
Things are changing. There's drought, there's flood, etc. That's the variable.
So how do we take the instincts of our history
and what we know and attach it to the variable
to identify a new method for a path forward? And
that's the tea that's actually the public Seals announcement, So

(03:14:53):
let me just throw that up there right quick.

Speaker 31 (03:14:58):
T this was a very interesting Opcose you're wondering why.

Speaker 2 (03:15:14):
You're wondering why I'm sitting on the floor, It's because
I basically had an anxiety attack in the middle of
the episode.

Speaker 3 (03:15:20):
I needed to ground myself.

Speaker 8 (03:15:28):
Just know that.

Speaker 3 (03:15:31):
There is no just like.

Speaker 2 (03:15:34):
There is no one conversation, it's several conversations and then
there are several actions.

Speaker 3 (03:15:42):
It's a multi pronged approach, and we have to be willing.

Speaker 2 (03:15:52):
To have love in that conversation. So thank y'all for
showing the love today. Thank y'all for always helping and
supporting financially. And shout out to Brandon and doctor sho
Lamas for joining us today and having this really dope

(03:16:12):
insights to add her usual. I think it's so we're
so lucky to be able to do this in this way,
and in this ever changing landscape, we are going to
have to be adaptable and we're going to have to
be amenable. So in that regard, I would also like

(03:16:34):
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Speaker 3 (03:17:14):
I'll be in Baltimore this evening.

Speaker 2 (03:17:16):
I will have the links up for the rest of
the cities shortly. I appreciate y'all so much and for
joining us. Tell your friends, and I hope that you'll
go back and listen to that conversation again and see
if your mind changes. Okay, boo boop, y'all, it's been real.

(03:17:40):
It's been real, and we deserve thirty seconds of stillness.

Speaker 3 (03:17:46):
I love how y'all are like.

Speaker 2 (03:17:47):
That conversation was a lot when you weren't even you
weren't even in the conversation.

Speaker 19 (03:17:53):
Oh seconds of saynes.

Speaker 10 (03:18:37):
A man.

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