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Speaker 1 (00:23):
Did you know that there's a ninety six year old
woman and her daughter who started the first tech company
in the nineties and is stone running multiple businesses today.
Good morning, and welcome back to sell Caw with Foul,
where we celebrate the incredible people who make Southern California
the most vibrant, diverse, and inspiring.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Place on Earth.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And in the sixties and seventies, these ladies had people
hanging out at the front gate of their house in England.
Today I have someone absolutely extraordinary joining us, a woman
and her daughter who embody everything we love about the
Southern California spirit. Lived here for decades, building businesses, chasing dreams,
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and proving that age is only truly just a number.
Meet doctor Angie McCartney and Ruth McCartney.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, you heard that right.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
They're joining us today from their home in the Los
Angeles area. Now you might recognize that last name, but
Angie is truly a superstar in her own right. At
ninety six years young, she's running not one but multiple businesses,
including an organic tea company which has quite a story,
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and McCartney winds she's an accomplished author of multiple books,
a warst survivor who lived through the bombing of Liverpool
and someone who proves every single day that it is
not too late to reinvent yourself. When they moved to
Southern California in nineteen ninety, they didn't just relocate, they
actually transformed themselves. From Liverpool to London to Los Angeles.
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They brought that infect just British optimism and unstoppable entrepreneurial
spirit that has made them the perfect So cal success story.
And Ruth, she's right there with her mom, running a
digital empire and actually has the name of Digital Diva.
With endless energy and spirit. These two incredible women have
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been making their mark on Southern California for decades and
so they're an amazing example showing that the California dream
is alive no matter what decades you're in. So grab
your morning coffee, Actually, better to grab a cup of
McCarthy tea, or better yet, a couple of Missus McCartney's
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organic tea that will get you ready for the stories
that will inspire you, make you laugh, maybe bring a tear,
and certainly bring you memories behind the scenes of this
amazing family. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to please welcome
to Socow with Val the dynamic mother and daughter you
Doctor Angie McCartney and Ruth McCartney, welcome to help tawith Val.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Thank you, thanks so much for having us pleasure to
be here.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Delighted.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We are so glad to have you and just want
to ask you briefly, Angie about your life before you
met Jim McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
McCartney.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Excuse me, and you were a child during the war.
Do you remember being in actually where your homes bombed
in Liverpool?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What was that experience like?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Well, I was born in nineteen twenty nine, so I
was nine or ten nine, Yeah, when the war started,
and I don't really remember it being troublesome. We just
got home with it, which I guess is the Liverpool
way of doing things. You just take life by the
throat every day and get on with it. The sense
of humor is a great hell.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
At their neighbor's house, doctor McAlpine, in five houses down
that was bombing.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, every morning when you get out of the area Shelton,
my sister Joan and I would go for a walk
around the district to see which houses have been bonded
and what was left. Doctor McAlpine about a mile away
that my father had worked for as a pharmacist. His
house was no more. It was just a big crater smoking. Still,
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those kind of memories I still have. I occasionally have
a nightmare and think about them. So it's buried somewhere
in the back of my brain what's left.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Bit.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But we go along with it, you know. And we
used to have sing songs and spelling bees and crossword
puzzles and all kinds of things in the area shelter
to keep us occupied. And we didn't really worry about
the bonds too much.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
But except you had to be except that they brought you,
took you out of school because the school had to
be used.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
For right the school had to be used for people
whose homes have been bombed. So we used to just
meet once a week for half a day in a
neighbor's house with the teacher and just do roll calls,
say a prayer, just exchange stories about what was happening,
and that was it.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
See whose dad was growing tomatoes and see whose one
was growing cabbage.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, you just you know, took it in our stride
and we didn't think we were having a bad time
because we always had a sing song every night and
laughed a lot, and still doing it same, same, same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And grateful for the moments that you had your family together.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
How did your relationship with Jim?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Begin? He said, I want to ask you something, and
I looked up and I said, the answer is yes.
He said, I haven't asked you the bloody question yet.
So we sat down again and he said, well, you know,
Paul has bought this lovely house for me, but I
live here all alone. I've got our writers starting, so
I can't really get a car and learn to drive.
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I need somebody to take care of me. Would you
be interested either in being my housekeeper or living with me,
or getting married even? And I thought for all of
one split second and said getting married, because in those days,
with a four year old daughter, you didn't want to
be living in sin as it were with an elderly
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man with all the good fortune that had just surrounded Jim.
So that was it. We decided we'd work on it
and get married. Shortly after, the phone rang and Jim answered,
the phone was in the hall. We only had one
phone in the house in those days, can you imagine?
And I heard him say hello son, Yes she is,
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yes I have yes, we are, and she come and
speak to paul Oh boy. So I came across and
spoke to Paulie. He said, hello, you sound nice. I mean,
what's a stupid thing to say. You've just found out
it's going to be a stepmother, and she's got a
four year old in tow. So he said, so you're
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staying tonight. I said yes. He said, well, I'll jump
in the car. I'm in London now. I said, probably
take about three hours, which he did in those days
when the motor ways were more so it was after
midnight before he actually arrived. And when he came in,
I was in the kitchen washing up some cups and
saucers from the many pots of tea we had. And
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he came in through the garage and he was all
dressed formally in a beige suit and a striped tie
and brown lace up shoes, not looking anything like a beetle,
but more like a businessman. And he said hello, I'm
Paul and I said, yeah, I think I know that.
So we sat in the lounge and had another pot
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of tea and he said, so where's the baby? Get
the baby? Baby? So I brought her downstairs, plumped her
on Paul's lap, and you take over from here.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So I was obviously fast asleep in the dark and
in what was to become my room eventually, and and
comes and scoops me up in my little pink and
white polka dot pajamas and brings me down and you know, daylight,
electric light, and I'm like, where am I? I'm all confused.
I'm four and a half years old at this point,
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and I've just had my kidney out in what May
of that year, maybe the seventeen sixty four, and this
is sort of around November. So I've got a huge
scar of like two hundred and ten stitches running from
you know, all the way around my right hand side.
And they had been talking about it downstairs, and I
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was sat on Paul's lap and I looked up and
I clucked his face, and I thought, I know this
bloke from somewhere. I've seen him somewhere. It was driving
me mad, and of course newspapers, television, the Beatles, you know,
it's the middle of sixty four in Liverpool. And he said, oh,
but I said, you want to see my scar? Do
you want to see my stitches and so I pull
up my pajamas and he said, oh boy, that's a
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big scar for a little girl. Ringo's got a scar
on his tummy. He's had his appendix out and da
da da. And as soon as he said Ringo, I went, oh,
wait a second, I know who you are. You're on
my cousin's wallpaper. My cousin Geraldine had been wallpaper. She
was flrtified.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
It was sure an icebreaker, that's for sure. We all
roared laughing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And everybody laughed, and I was like, I knew, I
knew you from somewhere. You're on my cousin's wallpaper.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
She's been breaking eye ever since.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Oh yeah, and by then you would have, had they right,
they would have been putting stuff on their wallpaper right
by that time.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Oh yes, well yeah, in England absolutely, I mean they
they had done ed Sullivan in the first week of
February of that year and everything had just gone mad.
So they've done merchandise deals, they'd formed cell Tabe Limited.
There were lunch boxes, there were beetle boots, there were beetlewigs,
there were a year no you name it. And so
my cousin Geraldine who's two or three years older than me,
had a little they called him a Wendy House, a
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playhouse at the bottom of the garden that uncle Peter
built for her out of you know, scrap wood and
left over window frames and stuff. And she got our
hands on a roll of So I'm four, she's seven,
and she persuaded her older brother, my cousin Peter, to
wallpaper the Wendy House with beetles, And of course I
recognized his face and she was mortified. She's like, oh God,
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don't come off like a fan.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right, yeah, yeah, So tell me did you then?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Did you fall in love with Jim McCartney. Did you
have a wonderful relationship?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
No, we just had a sort of kinship and both
had a need for a better.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Life as a child. I just loved him.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yes, Well, we just grew, you know, closer and closer,
and we really loved one another after a while, and
realized how much we had in common and how much
each of us had sort of gone through in different ways,
and we were really thankful to be together and cared
for and financially sound and.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Companionaionship, same sense of humor, same background, both piano players,
both great musicians.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Was that he had. He was a pianist, Arnswer.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Jim had a band in his younger days. It was
called Jim Max Jazz Band, and I'll send you some
information about it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, it was a huge band. He used to play
all the big ballrooms in Liverpool. And there's a film,
a graphic novel by a very famous English author whose
name escapes me now Raymond Jones, I think, and it's
called Ethel and Ernest and they made it into a
film and it's about a wartime couple. It's a sort
of you know, a cartoon film, and they go out,
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they save up, save up, and they go on a
date to the Grafton Ballroom. And there's a little easter
egg in the movie, a nod to my dad because
they used his music, his one and only song in
the film. And as they're walking in there playing this
song walking in the Park with Eloise, and there's a
poster that the artists drew tonight one night only, Jim
Max Band, and it's like, ah, he made it, he
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made itto, he made it to Hollywood after all these years.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You know. Yeah, I'll send you some information week and
look at it. All of it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, that would that would be wonderful, Weld, we would
like that. And Ruth, then he became your dad.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yes, yeah, he became my dad. He adopted me. We
were flying somewhere. I think it was the and the Bahamash,
that's right. It was engine Jim's sort of official honeymoon
in the end of January nineteen sixty five. Yeah, was
it February? Yeah, And I was going to celebrate my
fifth birthday and George Harrison was having a birthday ten
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days later. Help and the Beatles were filming Help, and
so the office in London arranged for us to go out.
I think they probably got free rooms at the ball
Moral Club, so you know, all we had to spring
for was the tickets. And we were flying out and
they used to call passengers by name in those days,
and so it was mister James and missus Angela McCartney,
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and they called them forward to get their boarding passes,
and of course I was still Ruth Williams way down
the alphabet. I'm standing there crying, and Andree's like, I'm
not getting on the plane and leave, you know, And
so a light bulb went off in Dad's head. And
he's like, now she has to have the same last name.
As soon as we get home, I'm doing adoption papers.
I'm going to illegally adopt her. And so that's how
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I became from Ruth Williams to Ruth McCartney at the
tender age of five. Because and you know, if that
had never happened, like well, may never have gone on.
But he was so patient with me. I was a
little pain in the neck. I was, you know, four
or five years, hopping up and down on one leg,
Kurt saying, I bet you can't do this, and he's like,
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you're right, You're right. I've got us writers in every
bone in my body, and yeah, I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Now. I think she introduced a new angle on life
to him because he's been a wonderful father to his
boys after Mary died, with both father and mother and
housekeeper and friend to the boys, and it was lovely
to have this carefree little thing skipping around the back garden.
And he had a swing put in for her and
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a paddling pool and different things, and he reveled in it.
He was really wonderful. He was strict with her too,
table manners and thank you notes, and you know, yes,
so I think it was good to have that grounding
when she was so young.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And how was it, how was it being.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Parents co parents, let's say, to the guys, to the Beatles,
I mean you both had completely different perspectives.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Right, absolutely. Yes, Michael was still single at that stage,
but he was in a group called the Scaffold, a
satirical group, and they were touring the country, so he
was away a lot of the time. He lived at
home with her.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Don't forget the age difference. So you know, I was
four and Paul was twenty two. Mike would have been
twenty twenty or twenty one, so and wasn't really co
parenting them.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It was only twelve years older than Paul.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, so she's only still still still twelve years older
than Paul. Yeah, so that was it wasn't sort of
a parenting relationship.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
He lived in London by then, because of course they
were always traveling and doing radio shows and television shows
and so on.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So he'd come up to Liverpool every year, every other
weekend or every third weekend when he could.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, but you talk about I see stories about that.
You would be in the kitchen and yet around the
front gate of the house. You know, everybody was there
and everybody was hanging around. Yes, was Jim more patient
with that or was it?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Did it annoy him?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And we were very very timid and very self efface
and he was overwhelmed, that absolutely, But he never wanted
to be unkind. But he certainly didn't want to get surrounded.
And he used to like to go for a walk
down to the lower village and go and have a
scotch in the little pub in the village. And then
he found it was getting to be surrounded and more
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or less mobbed, so he had to give that up.
But monesday and I settled in and he got me
driving lessons and bought me a car. I was able
to take him out and we could just whip through
the crowd and go on.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I mean, I was going to school in Heswall, at
the Puddydale. I guess you would call it a case
elementary school K through twelve, no elementaries older anyway, So
I start there on you know, four years old. You
start school in England four or five. And the head master,
god bless him, mister Kitchen, thought he was doing a
really good thing. When the day before I started one
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day after school went in. So the first day of school,
he gathered all the students together and said, now, this
is this little girl coming in and she called Ruth,
and she's just come into the McCartney family. And yes
she's related to a Beatle, but you're to leave her alone,
don't make any special fuss about her. So what when
you tell a bunch of seven eight nine year old kids,
especially boys, don't bully this child, leave her alone, don't
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don't steal her lunch, don't steal her Wellington. I mean,
one guy, one little boy, actually went to the bathroom
in my Wellington book Wellington. He said, you know, I mean,
and because we all had uniforms, you had to have
embroidered labels with your name in the back of your
coat and shirt and jacketed. You know, every you'd stitch
your name in. And so I mean, we went through
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rolls and rolls and rolls of these embroidered labels, had
to stitch to me because kids would.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Bring because they'd take them on for souvenirs.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It would say McCartney on it. I would have kids
who would come and cut pieces of my hair. Ah,
steal my Luny. I mean, it was insane and.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It wasn't very nice.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Still don't own a pair of wellies to this day.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But that was enough.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That was enough.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It does It never rains in southern California, so you
know you don't need them.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, it's interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
We got out of that relationship and moved to London.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
That's when Tim Kendall's mother, Beryl Candall.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That we moved to Sydney. That was when, Yes, that's
when my cousin Tim's mother Beryl, once we'd our visas
in Australia had run out, she said, well, I'm sort
of on the way home to England. I'm in Lagoon
and ne guel do you want to come and stay
with me for as long as you can and you know,
see what you see, what you think about America and
try and get on your feet. So it's still so
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we moved in with with cousin Tim, cousin Debbie, and
I think Lynn was still living at home and the
late great Beryl Kendall and and where I met my
first wonderful husband who was still dear friends to this day.
And so the whirlwind romance a little like Angine Jim
got married, stayed, and the rest is history. I number
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three now, but you know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And so your current husband is number three.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Number three. I think I think I'll keep him. He's
a good one. Martin another cut.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, it seems that you get along pretty well.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh yeah, we all live together, Angelips downstairs, and we
his recording and recording studios in here downstairs. His video
editing suite is upstairs, and we have the master suite upstairs,
and just got her office and her you know, bookshelves
and her author stuff down here. And we all just
get up every morning. He drinks coffee, we drink tea,
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and we roll our sleeves up and keep getting it done.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And how fun. So let's go to you.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Let's talk about now you're in Los Angeles and you've
become entrepreneurs, authors. Let's talk about when did that start?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What was the first thing?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Sorry, no, go ahead. I got secretarial work with a
temp agency, and I met a few people from there,
which you know, gradually turned into one job after another.
I worked for Penthouse magazine, which was the good journey. Yeah, Norty,
but no, she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I wasn't in it.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I used to just answer the phones, and oh boy,
did we get some phone calls.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
We'd take turns on reception, penthouse, Omni four Wheeler magazine,
Can I help you? And of course they were never
calling with questions about Omni or four wheeler. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I used to get the heavy breathers that did say
what are you wearing?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Oh boys, I'd say, well Wellington booths and killed you know. Yeah,
we did. We did our jobs. And then in nineteen
ninety four, the North Through earthquake took the house we
were renting in Woodland Hills. It split the foundation open
and and at that point was working for USA Today
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as the secretary, and Martin was freelancing. His learned trade,
apart from being an incredible musician and producer, was import
expert forwarding agent. So he was working doing that, and
we decided Nashville was hot, Nashville was music city. He
I'm a lyricist, He's a songwriter and lyricist, and she
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could transfer her job anywhere, So she moved from the
USA Today to the Tennessee. And in Nashville, we packed
what little we had left in a nineteen eighty two
Honda Civic. I drove the five ton truck out there.
Martin followed in the Honda Civic and flew out there
and started work, and we got a flat in Nashville
and spent, oh, I get three or four to three
and a half years there. And during that time, in
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nineteen ninety four, there was this thing called the Internet.
And I was writing songs with a very famous Australian
legendary musician called Brian Kad and I went over to
his house one day and he said, oh, mate, he said,
have you seen this thing called the Internet. It's bloody amazing.
It's like a library book. And you go here. You
got to unplug the fax machine and plug the computer
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in to this thing called a modem, and you wait
for the boomeranging puting put on, and then it's the
boomerang settled down. All these things will come up on
your computer and you can if they're under lined and blue,
you can click on them and you can go to
another place in the world. It's like it's like a
big connected library book. So my brain is exploding, like
you're yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, you're all over the place now you are codes.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So we finished writing a bunch of our songs for
the day and I stopped in at the Nashville Davidson
County Library System on the way home, and there were
only fourteen books in the entire world written on HTML code,
which is the base hypertext market language, the code that
runs the Internet. So I ordered them. They had to
be they had to be ordered in from DC and
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New York and San Francisco and San Jose and whatever.
So I got these fourteen books for twenty one days
from the library. We locked ourselves in at way too
much Papa John's Pizza, and my husband and I taught
ourselves code and opened Acartney Multimedia and the business. And
I went up and down music Road, knocking on publishers
doors and theaters and artist management, saying, you need a website.
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And here's why, why do I need a website? What's
a website. I'm like, no, it's a website with a TLL.
Why would I need one? And so we built them
for oh my gosh, Clint Black Leanne Rimes. And that's
how we started the business. I just went knocking on
doors in Nashville and we were the only people in
town who knew. I called an old buddy, David Cassidy,
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and I said, I bought you this thing called a
dot com. You are now officially Davidcassidy dot com. Every
time you get on stage, put that on the drumhead
and say, you know, you've changed your name to David
Cassidy dot com. And sure enough, we built up a
huge following there. But in those days, you couldn't collect date, name, address,
city states, if you couldn't put anything into the Internet.
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It was a one way display window. And so we
jacked away to make FileMaker pro work with HTML and
we were among the first people to start collecting fan data,
which turned into iphans dot com, which we then old
to constant contact and it's all about permission based marketing.
I still say to people today. They're like, well, why
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do I need a web page or a dot com?
I said because, And they say, I've got fifteen thousand
likes on Facebook, and I say, yeah, who are they?
What's their middle initial? Where do they live, how do
you get in touch with them? What's the zip code?
What are they allergic to? What music do they listen to?
What sports team do they follow? Mark Zuckerberg knows, do
you know? And they're like light bulb goes on, Oh,
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I need my own guest book. I need my Yeah,
yeah you do because without permission. And winding back to
John Lennon, he used to call the fans the customers.
He'd come and visit occasionally for the weekend, and we
had all the fan mail for Paul that we used
to help FRIEDA. Kelly who ran the fan club with
Brian Epstein or Brian Epstein. We used to get all
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the Paul fan mail and and would sort it, and
I would help with pocket money. To earn pocket money.
And John had go sit on the floor underneath the
dining table and say, all these big bankers boxes and
he said, oh, look at all these lovely customers. These
were all in Japan, and these rule in Australia because
andrewould sort them, you know, being the consummate secretary, and
so I you know, I was about eight, and I said,
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why do you call them customers? Uncle Johnny said, well,
because they're spending money. And if there was only a
way where we could pull them and ask them what
songs should we do next as a single? Where should
we go next for a concert? Which countries would like
to see us? He basically invented the internet underneath our
dining table, but it would be forty years before the
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technology was there to support it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yes, yes, interesting, interesting, So you came up with this
idea and you then and how long then did you
stay in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We were there about three and a half years, and
Martin started getting a lot of jingles and voiceover work.
He's born in born and bred in Germany, so he's
completely bilingual. His native languages German. And so he was
flying back and forth to l a lot and he's like, oh, dude,
I love this place. And I'm like, all right, well,
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you know we can we can give it another crack.
We can turn around and go back. Because he had lived,
you know, we were living together in the valley in
Woodland Hills when the when the earth cracked, and so
he's like, I miss La, I want to go back,
And so we did, and we came to where we
are now in Playa del Rey, which is near Lax Yes,
and we'd started the business, so we were incorporated and
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we just kept going. And so another happenstance happened where
I got my hands on a whole bunch of domain names,
including McCartney dot com, fleetwoodmac dot com, Donna dot com,
The Pope dot com oh you name it, and that's
a story for another day. But I then had all
of these dot coms I'd paid fifty bucks each forum,
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and I went around Hollywood giving them away on the
proviso that if I gave you your dot com. But it's
still only nineteen ninety seven April by this point, if
I you your dot com free and clear, you agree
to use our firm to build your website, run your
fan club, help with your merchandising, and so on and
so forth. So that's how we got a ton of
those celebrity clients is because we made we turned them
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on to being the owners of their own dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And did they keep their word?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean a lot of them
have faded away since the bands have broken up or whatever,
but we still have the jazz great Steve Tyrell as
the client after gosh thirty years, Edgar Winter, the rock
and roller Edgar Winter dot com, which we're in the
middle of redoing again for the emptieth time. He's been
with us, I think thirty one years. So we started
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doing this well when Mark Zuckerberg was nine.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Think about that, Think about that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I know, yeah, sobering thought we might we might know
what we're doing by.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Now right now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and actually in
all awearness barby where he is because of some things
brought to be right.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, I don't know about that, but you know, we
are nudged them along.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We managed, We manage social media for lots of client
accounts to make sure they're on brand and on message.
And you know, we're about to meet and potentially partner
with a reputation crisis management firm because some of the
people we represent will go do stupid stuff and hack
their own passwords and take take things and drink things
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in the middle of the night they shouldn't and then
get on Twitter whoop, or drive their cars or drive
So yeah, sometimes you need crisis management. And then on
the other side, because.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
We know a few people who could handle crisis management in.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
The world, get into politics.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But in the in the meantime, I just you know,
I'm sixty five now and going to rock loud rock
concerts in there, done that, enjoyed it. Just you know,
the high heels in the late nights are not my
thing anymore. And so my husband said about five years ago,
Martin said, well, you love what you do, and you
love kind of managing people and their brand and their PR.
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What is it you're passionate about. I said, well, I'm
a foodie. I've got the Food Network on you know,
speed dial in the background, and so now we manage
the PR media representation, in some cases social media for
a bunch of Michelin Star Chef, James Bard, Best Chef
Texas winner, Bib Gourmand, Cheroke a chucktaw Native restaurant. A
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lot of them are in Houston. We've got a kid
up in Dallas who's running a five star lobster mac
and cheese truck. We're getting him TV appearances and all
of that stuff. So chefs are just like rock stars.
They don't play guitars, but they have frying pants. So
it's really not that much of a difference when you're
you know, you're doing media for people. They're not singing,
but they're producing food.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But I would guess that they probably don't even think
about doing as much self promotion as they do.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
The beginning.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You have to if you want to get on the
James Beard list or the you want michel in your restaurant,
towards the wards your restaurant and your chef has to
rise above the noise in any given city. And Houston
has twenty nine thousand restaurants and six and six Michelin stars,
So you have to do a lot of promotion, glad handing,
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good will, charity events, invitation dinners, entertaining, you know, all
of that behind the scenes stuff, which is what we
handle for a lot of our culinary clients.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yes, and I'm sure they're so glad to have you
as representing them.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, they're They're all great to work with them, and
they're so hard working. But they have that same the
kitchen has the same camaraderie as a tour bus, you know,
a film crew a film. It's very there. Yeah, they're
all brothers and sisters at arms, and their goal is
to you know, have a perfect show or have a
perfect service and see the fans go home happy or
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the diners go home happy. It's really you know, the
restaurant business done right is show business.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, yeah, that's really r at that level.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know, unless you're slinging hash somewhere and making five
grand a day and enjoying it. Good on you. You know.
Some of my favorite food is you know, the plain
Jaye meat and potato type stuff. But when you're trying
to put on a Michelin type experience, it's front of house,
it's back of house. It's down to you know, folding
the knackins and polishing the glasses and just everything. The
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smile will greet you when you, you know, step up
to the front desk. So it's showbiz. It's what I
grew up and it's really no different.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And unfortunately diners are very fickle. Right, one bad experience,
that's it, and I can't come back again.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And in the music business, there really isn't a Yelp
for bad concerts. People just go, eh, I couldn't hear,
or I had bad seats, or his voice was a
little off, or she, you know, she sang a little
flat or whatever. But they'll share that amongst themselves. They'll
whine on their own Facebook page. But the problem that
restaurants have is Yelp and Trip Advisor and you know,
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Google My Business and all of that. Fortunately, we're partnered
with a company out of Miami called fave Me, which
they manage expectations and they manage ratings and stuff for restaurants,
and they have relationships with these big companies that if
somebody's being mean and unfair in an unjustified way, they
can get those those reviews to you, the bad reviews
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taken down if it's patently obvious that it's a put
up job. You know. But you know, you think about
a chef or somebody running a restaurant. They have to
deal with all of this stuff, the health department, of
the alcohol department, the slip and fall, the worker's camp
let alone, buying and presenting the food and coming up
with menus. It's a rough game, man.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely it is.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Let's talk about your books. Oh yeah, the first book?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And what inspired you?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Well, I think initially it must have been those letters
from my brother with the red corrections only used to
say good, do better. I think then I probably had
the idea at the back of my head I wanted
to be a writer. And it didn't happen until nineteen
ten years ago. Now, yeah, ten years ago, and I
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think it's twelve years, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And this book is called Andrew McCartney my longer wedding group,
the first eighty two point nine years.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, so I was eighty three when it actually hit
the bookshelves.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
She's nearly ninety six.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Nearly ninety six, and I'm on my ninth book. Yeah,
so yeah, that was mostly about my life and you know,
the things we've talked about today. And then I moved
on and of course I found by being on the internet,
I was in touch with a lot of people who
are Beatle fans and they used to write to me
and ask me things. So that started me on the
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trend of writing things like Ticket to Ride, which is
a description of a lot of the main places where
the Beatles played and were known.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I just I just bought The hard Heart.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, I just knowl on yesterday actually too.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, it's it's subtitle is a day trippers guide to
legendary Beatles locations. It covers Liverpool, London, Hamburg, New York
and la that they must see Beatlestocks. It's published by
Imagine and Wonder out in New York. And as you
were saying, well each place, each location has its own
dedicated QR code, which is a landing page that my
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husband Martin built on McCartney dot com, which is abled
you know, if people's opening hours change, or the prices change,
or if somewhere shuts down. We keep those all updated.
So it's a book that never goes out of date
because if you scan the QR code, it takes you
to the internet relate to the latest and greatest whatever
it is. So that yeah, that's and.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Is that the book that has the radio in Hamburg?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
No, it's not. That is a book called There Are
Faces I Remember, which is also published by Imagine and Wonder,
and it comes This is just a slip box because
it weighs seven and a half pounds.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So it's a beautiful book. It's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
This this These are paintings by an artist by the
name of Shannon MacDonald and it's absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
They feel photographs.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You would think they were photographed, but all of the
photographs inside I digitally painted. So I did the artwork
inside and Shannon did the cover. And there's a QR
code in there to something called Liverpool Live Radio, which
you're amazing. So every time you scan it you just
get live on air what's happening, so you can get
the football results, the English weather, whatever music they're playing.
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It's for people to brush up on their scouts accent
before they go to Liverpool.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I opened it and I scan on it and there
is it's just live radio. That's really fascinated. But then,
Angie orrif you.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Told me about the story of that, and I forgot
the name of the company so called my husband, I said, oh,
you can now listen to live radio in Holland.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yes, it's called https radio dot Garden. It's not dot com,
it's dot garden. So Radio dot Garden and it's an
app in the App and Samsung Store, the Google Play Store,
and you can also just dial it in your browser.
And it's a combination project between Google Earth and the
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University of Hilversum in Holland, who was one of the
very first long range AM radio cities in the world.
And you used to listen to Hilversum on AM radio
back in the day in England in the nineteen thirties.
And so yeah, they just give the radio station a
line of code and they imploy meant it in their
RSS feed and you can listen to It's funny when
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you scroll across the globe you see all of these
clusters of dots all over Europe, and then you get
further east and further east, and the globe is North Korea.
And there's like one dot inang no no, and the
sound of things blowing up, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Pretty sad, pretty sad.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
So then you and you're you're still writing correct coming
out we want to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yes, I'm writing a book about well.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
We have these too. This is with a little help
from my scones. And this is my cookbook that I
compiled from British disappearing eighteenth, nineteenth and early twentieth century
British recipes. Again all illustrated and researched by More And
the book is in black and white to keep the
cost reasonable. However, when you buy it, you scan the
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code and you get your full color iPad kindle version,
a digital version. All of the pictures are then in color,
including the yummy Christmas po We'll stop it. So that's
that one. And then we have another joint book called
All You Need Is Tea, and that subtitle is Titans, Traditions,
Tall Tales, Terroir and Tantalizing Treats. And that is the
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complete history of tea from three hundred and twenty BC
all the way up until today, and the story of
all the tea titans like Twinings and berries, tea and
all of the history of all the India and roebus
from South Africa and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
And those searching that one, the late La.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Those two are still coming up. You have another one,
go ahead, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
They're all on missus McCartney's teas dot com. And then
this one that just came out literally last week is
called Words of Wisdom, Twisted English and Linguistic Lunacy for
word nerds, and it includes spoonerisms, eggcorns, wellerisms, oxymorons, malapropisms,
tom swifties, pangrams, portmanteaus, idioms, contronyms, and antonyms, so it's
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it's a real nerds guide to the English language. And
inside it it's also got regional sayings from Liverpool, Manchester, rhyming, slang,
all of those things. And it's sort of written in
a very Monty pythonesque tongue in cheek sort of a way.
So it's it's a great insight into the English language,
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but with you know, with tongue in cheek, and of
course as ever, it has the q RCOs that take
us take you to our websites.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Of course, and then you have the limericks one also, oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That we are sold out of unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh I must have bought your last.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Copy probably, but I have here the writer's copy, so
it's got a big great thing across it. But that's
called Missus McCartney's Liverpool Limericks and other random Irish haikus,
and it is basically the story of Liverpool, the Fabs,
all of the people from pop culture from the sixties
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like Twiggy and Brian Epstein. And the whole book is
written in Limerick format. And again I did all of
these illustrations. That's the Hollywood Bowl. There's the whiskey of
Go Go. I'm trying to get it in focus. My
camera's not doing so well. And that is the Liverpool
Limerick Book. And then Andre's working on yet another one
to be revealed, soon.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
To be revealed.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, well you can let us be the first ones
when you're ready to reveal it.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Okay, I will let you know. That's a promise.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Now tell us about the tea. So what inspired you?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I mean, I'm sure that you were inspired about teas
because of your living in England. What was it you said,
I need to sell tea?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Years ago we had a party at the house here
and not a guest. I think it was very dumb. Yeah,
I know, it was fourth of fourth of July. That's
what I was trying to hear. And when I turned
to this gentleman, a friend of ours from Arizona who
doesn't drink. He doesn't drink, I said, would you like wine,
beer modka? He said no, I'd like a nice cup
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of tea. And I'm sure, as you're from Liverpool, you
must know how to make tea properly. And just the
light went on, you know. We thought about it, and
he said, why don't you start a tea company? So
we started researching, but it was very difficult.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Well tell me about two and a half years to
find suppliers who didn't use children child no child labor
and no chemicals and fair trade and paying fair wages
and whatever. So our teas we have fourteen flavors and
they come from twenty three countries and they're blended up
in Buffalo, New York. And then we had to go
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down there. Well, do you want loose tea or tea bags?
And tea bags are obviously more you know, appropriate, but
this round, once the square ones, there's tags and there's staples.
And then there's soil on and then there's tetrahydrants. People
call them pyramids, but they're actually tetrahydrant. And so you know,
I had to research all the material and of course
nothing matches. It's like hot dogs and buns. So you
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buy the labor which come the little tags on the end.
They come in dozens, right in twelves. Everything else is decimal,
like the strings are in a thousand strings per bag.
But you get and then the soilon, which only is
made in two companies in Japan, which is the nylon
material that doesn't melt in boiling water for the pyramid tetrahydron.
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Tea bags that comes in metric measurements. But the way
that the bags are all cut and the machines that
cut them here, they're all in feet and inches. So
just getting tea in a bag is like all you want.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Is a TA bag. Oh my goodness, that's what you
go through.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And so then you get the insurance company who says, well,
are you going to heat seal the label to the string,
because if you use staples, you have to have a
ten million dollar insurance in case the staple goes in
somebody's cut yeah, so let's start a tea company.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Oh yeah, it's never easy, but we did.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, and it's our twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, this year.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
The next time your friend says you must have a
cup of tea, you can say you can't imagine, you.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Don't even know, you don't even want to know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Ye, yeah, good, No, we do this time of Ye,
we do a lot of corporate gifting because with the
way the labels are printed, we can be even small batches. Again,
of course we have a QR code on the back,
but we just shipped a huge order for hosting dot Com.
They're giving away one thousand pouches of tea at an
upcoming conference and it says on the back a gift
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from missus McCartney's teas and from our profits. Every year
we give donations to the Lynda McCartney Breast Cancer Research
Unit in Liverpool and England.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yes, I see that, and I don't want to take
a long time, but it just want to make a
segue about I'm touched by your involvement still with Lynda
McCartney's fundraising and she must have been a special person
to you.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, yeah, she took If there was one thing she
taught me. She'd say, if you're han't a great day,
go outside, look up to the sky and say thank you.
If you're having a bad day, go outside and look
up to the sky and realize how big the universe
is and how small the person is who's trying to
make your day bad.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh a great story.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Yeah, even if.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It's raining once day, take five minutes for yourself. Just
go outside and breathe. So even if you're looking up
into rain falling out of clouds, you're part of something bigger.
You're here for a reason, and don't let anybody tell
you you're not.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's a beautiful story.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And with all that you've been through with the Beatles
and all of that, that you still remember her of
your fundraising, it must have been a really special relationship.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
She was amazing. I mean when you think about she,
you know, she landed from New York again with a
young daughter aged four. It was like, you know, history
repeating itself. Her daughter, Heather, Heather Sea Paul adopted her,
so she became Heather McCartney, just like I had become
Ruth McCartney. Yes, and she joined She learned to sing,
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she learned to play keyboards, She had more of Paul's babies.
She started Linda McCartney's veget She turned to meatless mondays
was her thing. She turned a lot of people vegetarian.
She started the Linda McCartney frozen foods. She continued to
be a photographer. She had exhibitions and she was an
incredible mother and wife and touring musician.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Holy moly.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, she doesn't get enough credit.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh yeah, And I saw an interview with her and
she originally didn't even start out as a photographer.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
It was all kind of by accident how she came.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, she had a roommate called Lillian Roxon who was
working for Rolling Stone and shoved a camera in her
hand and said, I need somebody to go and photograph
the Rolling Stones tonight, and boom, there she was with
a Pentax or a Nikon I can't remember, on the
backstage pass and a backstage pass and she's like, I
better learn this fast.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
There's so many times in life when we think of
and you've been through them, as we all have, where
you think, what if I hadn't been there at that
exact moment?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
If Yeah, but if I hadn't.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Been there, what if that day I was doing something else.
What if I was somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Right? What would have happened?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
So that's a pretty amazing story.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah, it's a very interesting book called what if Lamely
with Beetle World and what if this happn't happened? What
if Fallen John had not met on the day? Yes,
and it's very interesting by David Bedford. And that's on
Amazon dot com. There you are, David, I gave you
book a plug.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Absolutely, And now let me ask you about the wine
so I can understand the tea. Where at what point
did you start selling wine?
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Well, that's in limbo at the moment. We're trying to
find a new distribute. It's very difficult. Again, you think
tea is difficult, wine and alcohol across state lines and
every administration has their own new rules depending upon whether
that administration in vibes or not. And so trying to
ship the wines are incredible. They're fruit and dessert wines.
So we have Maharishi Peach, Abbey Road Apple. They're only
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eight percent and if you're in Texas or Louisiana you
can buy them no problem. But we're trying to redo
our distribution at the moment simply because and your friend
Patrick will know about all of this is simply because
of you know, state shipping rules and winery rules and
so on and so forth. But missus McCartney's wines dot
com is still there, so people can go check it
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out and join the mailing list, and we'll bust out
an email when we're ready to mystic ready to rock again.
They make great cocktail mixes, so we have there or
with afternoon tea, so they're like a sherry or a port.
We have BlackBerry, blueberry, peach apple, and I forget strawberry. Strawberry.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Of course, strawberry feels a little drop.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
In a prosecco or you know, in place of apparol
will compire you something like that.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
So of course our viewers and our listeners are going
to ask what's next, and especially Angie, Doctor Angie McCartney,
I'm be sure we get that in there.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
That what is next for you?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
It seems your energy is unless both of you have
ideas that never stop, which I love and can certainly
relate to. And Ruth, I'm so fascinated by both of
you that you see something in Okay, what can I
do with that, and so I'll just go to the
library and get the twelve books that they have and
I will create this and oh, by the way, dot
com so I'll just buy everybody's names and then I'll
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go knock on their doors.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
So what's next? Do you know what's next?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (48:46):
I don't. Actually, I'm trying to find a way for
peevens to encourage people to be kind to each other,
to listen to each other, to listen to the other side,
even if you think it's rubbish, just listen, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, I just well, for Ange on the book side,
she's again, I was saying, she's writing, researching and interviewing people.
Of course every week on Facebook live on doctor Angie
McCartney's page, and then later on YouTube. We have te
flicks Tuesdays. It's like Netflix, but it's teef Flix. We
have some fascinating guests, a lot of beatle authors. We
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like to promote their books and keep that sort of
family of you know, old hippies alive around the world.
And yeah, I know, I'm just I'm looking forward to
continuing to work with not just existing clients, but you know,
helping young restaurateurs and young chefs really get the recognition
they deserve for all the hard work they do and
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you know, feeding us and making us happy.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Of all the things that you have done, what do
you want to be remembered for day? Mother?
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Oh I'm going all stoppy now, I'm good to stop
sniffing crying.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, I don't you know, I honestly don't know. Just
if if there's a headstone anywhere just she was kind.
I just try to be kind to people. When I
go to the supermarket. If I see somebody who is
not particularly prepossessing, but they've made an effort, I'll say, wow,
that is a great color on you, or look at
your nails, aren't you gorgeous, or just just compliment somebody
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who looks like they need it. I do it every
single day. That makes me feel great because.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
You never know what's going on in their life. No, no, absolutely,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And you I've heard you say, I've read that any
day above ground is a bonus.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
True it is.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
And so you're you've you have a You've been a
great mother, obviously, you know you've You've allowed Ruth and
welcomed the opportunity for her to become all the things
that she is.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
You.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I'm sure there were times when you sheltered her in
her young life as well as allowed her to be
in the middle of all this excitement.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
There were also times when I was in my pop
Russian pop star phase, touring across Russia, Lithuania, let the Armenia, Siberia, whatever,
that she came in the helicopter with me and drank
vodka for breakfast. So you know, hasn't always been woolf No.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
And by the way, I saw the video about there's
a six minute video but on YouTube that I saw
that incorporated some of that, which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
So that was.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
A fun phase going being a pop star in a
country where you can come out of Russia and go
home and nobody recognizes you, and you don't get bothered
at the supermarket, but you know, a thousand miles away,
you get off the plane in Moscow and your mob.
It was like living for two different people. It was bizarre.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
It was great the first time in Moscow, and so
all these camera crews at the airport thought, I wonder
if Michael Jackson's on this play.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, I was looking around the arrivals hall for Madonna.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
But they've been running heir one and only video on
all nine time zones. Yeah, before we got amazing Lecloney
is coming.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah. McCartney the other one. The billboards they put up
McCartney's coming to Moscow. They didn't tell him it was
this one, this.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
One it was.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
And well, they should have. They should have. They should have,
they should have.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
And Ruth, I've heard you say, should never be afraid
to number one pivot, which certainly the two of you
have done multiple times. You should never be afraid to
reach for the stars, which you also have done multiple Yeah.
And number three, never be afraid to get anybody in
the world on the phone. Is that still the Pope?
Speaker 3 (52:38):
It could be the Pope. It could be. Yeah. I
used to. I used to take challenges. It's it's not
so easy nowadays with cell phones. But if you've got
something you really want to say to somebody in a
position of power, I mean, and what I mean the
metaphor of never be afraid to get anybody in the
world on the phone is never be afraid to speak
truth to power. If it's something you're passionate about, find
a way to get your message to the game changes.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Great, great message great message, ladies.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Thank you so much. This has been a delight and
honor a pleasure. We're an honor.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Oh we loved it.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
You're amazing and inspiring and energetic and all of those things,
all the things that we all would love to take away.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
From this and us about yourself, your spirit.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Thank you for being our guest today and so cal
with val We do have another radio show that's Always
Ageless with Valerie v which airs on the same station,
and we hope you'll be a guest on that show
as well. Thank you very much and God bless you
both and wishing you much health. And I'm in line
for your next books and for some corporate to you
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as well.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Excellent Jollie good well, hey hashtag go power.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Absolutely thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Oh, thank you well.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
God bless
Did you know that there's a ninety six year old
woman and her daughter who started the first tech company
in the nineties and is stone running multiple businesses today.
Good morning, and welcome back to sell Caw with Foul,
where we celebrate the incredible people who make Southern California
the most vibrant, diverse, and inspiring.
Speaker 2 (00:41):
Place on Earth.
Speaker 1 (00:43):
And in the sixties and seventies, these ladies had people
hanging out at the front gate of their house in England.
Today I have someone absolutely extraordinary joining us, a woman
and her daughter who embody everything we love about the
Southern California spirit. Lived here for decades, building businesses, chasing dreams,
(01:03):
and proving that age is only truly just a number.
Meet doctor Angie McCartney and Ruth McCartney.
Speaker 2 (01:11):
Yes, you heard that right.
Speaker 1 (01:13):
They're joining us today from their home in the Los
Angeles area. Now you might recognize that last name, but
Angie is truly a superstar in her own right. At
ninety six years young, she's running not one but multiple businesses,
including an organic tea company which has quite a story,
(01:34):
and McCartney winds she's an accomplished author of multiple books,
a warst survivor who lived through the bombing of Liverpool
and someone who proves every single day that it is
not too late to reinvent yourself. When they moved to
Southern California in nineteen ninety, they didn't just relocate, they
actually transformed themselves. From Liverpool to London to Los Angeles.
(01:58):
They brought that infect just British optimism and unstoppable entrepreneurial
spirit that has made them the perfect So cal success story.
And Ruth, she's right there with her mom, running a
digital empire and actually has the name of Digital Diva.
With endless energy and spirit. These two incredible women have
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been making their mark on Southern California for decades and
so they're an amazing example showing that the California dream
is alive no matter what decades you're in. So grab
your morning coffee, Actually, better to grab a cup of
McCarthy tea, or better yet, a couple of Missus McCartney's
(02:41):
organic tea that will get you ready for the stories
that will inspire you, make you laugh, maybe bring a tear,
and certainly bring you memories behind the scenes of this
amazing family. Ladies and gentlemen, allow me to please welcome
to Socow with Val the dynamic mother and daughter you
Doctor Angie McCartney and Ruth McCartney, welcome to help tawith Val.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
Thank you, thanks so much for having us pleasure to
be here.
Speaker 4 (03:09):
Delighted.
Speaker 1 (03:10):
We are so glad to have you and just want
to ask you briefly, Angie about your life before you
met Jim McCarthy.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
McCartney.
Speaker 1 (03:19):
Excuse me, and you were a child during the war.
Do you remember being in actually where your homes bombed
in Liverpool?
Speaker 2 (03:28):
What was that experience like?
Speaker 4 (03:31):
Well, I was born in nineteen twenty nine, so I
was nine or ten nine, Yeah, when the war started,
and I don't really remember it being troublesome. We just
got home with it, which I guess is the Liverpool
way of doing things. You just take life by the
throat every day and get on with it. The sense
of humor is a great hell.
Speaker 3 (03:52):
At their neighbor's house, doctor McAlpine, in five houses down
that was bombing.
Speaker 4 (03:56):
Yeah, every morning when you get out of the area Shelton,
my sister Joan and I would go for a walk
around the district to see which houses have been bonded
and what was left. Doctor McAlpine about a mile away
that my father had worked for as a pharmacist. His
house was no more. It was just a big crater smoking. Still,
(04:17):
those kind of memories I still have. I occasionally have
a nightmare and think about them. So it's buried somewhere
in the back of my brain what's left.
Speaker 3 (04:25):
Bit.
Speaker 4 (04:27):
But we go along with it, you know. And we
used to have sing songs and spelling bees and crossword
puzzles and all kinds of things in the area shelter
to keep us occupied. And we didn't really worry about
the bonds too much.
Speaker 1 (04:43):
But except you had to be except that they brought you,
took you out of school because the school had to
be used.
Speaker 4 (04:49):
For right the school had to be used for people
whose homes have been bombed. So we used to just
meet once a week for half a day in a
neighbor's house with the teacher and just do roll calls,
say a prayer, just exchange stories about what was happening,
and that was it.
Speaker 3 (05:07):
See whose dad was growing tomatoes and see whose one
was growing cabbage.
Speaker 4 (05:11):
Yeah, you just you know, took it in our stride
and we didn't think we were having a bad time
because we always had a sing song every night and
laughed a lot, and still doing it same, same, same thing.
Speaker 2 (05:27):
And grateful for the moments that you had your family together.
Speaker 4 (05:31):
Oh absolutely yes.
Speaker 2 (05:34):
How did your relationship with Jim?
Speaker 4 (05:36):
Begin? He said, I want to ask you something, and
I looked up and I said, the answer is yes.
He said, I haven't asked you the bloody question yet.
So we sat down again and he said, well, you know,
Paul has bought this lovely house for me, but I
live here all alone. I've got our writers starting, so
I can't really get a car and learn to drive.
(05:58):
I need somebody to take care of me. Would you
be interested either in being my housekeeper or living with me,
or getting married even? And I thought for all of
one split second and said getting married, because in those days,
with a four year old daughter, you didn't want to
be living in sin as it were with an elderly
(06:20):
man with all the good fortune that had just surrounded Jim.
So that was it. We decided we'd work on it
and get married. Shortly after, the phone rang and Jim answered,
the phone was in the hall. We only had one
phone in the house in those days, can you imagine?
And I heard him say hello son, Yes she is,
(06:43):
yes I have yes, we are, and she come and
speak to paul Oh boy. So I came across and
spoke to Paulie. He said, hello, you sound nice. I mean,
what's a stupid thing to say. You've just found out
it's going to be a stepmother, and she's got a
four year old in tow. So he said, so you're
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staying tonight. I said yes. He said, well, I'll jump
in the car. I'm in London now. I said, probably
take about three hours, which he did in those days
when the motor ways were more so it was after
midnight before he actually arrived. And when he came in,
I was in the kitchen washing up some cups and
saucers from the many pots of tea we had. And
(07:27):
he came in through the garage and he was all
dressed formally in a beige suit and a striped tie
and brown lace up shoes, not looking anything like a beetle,
but more like a businessman. And he said hello, I'm
Paul and I said, yeah, I think I know that.
So we sat in the lounge and had another pot
(07:48):
of tea and he said, so where's the baby? Get
the baby? Baby? So I brought her downstairs, plumped her
on Paul's lap, and you take over from here.
Speaker 3 (07:59):
So I was obviously fast asleep in the dark and
in what was to become my room eventually, and and
comes and scoops me up in my little pink and
white polka dot pajamas and brings me down and you know, daylight,
electric light, and I'm like, where am I? I'm all confused.
I'm four and a half years old at this point,
(08:21):
and I've just had my kidney out in what May
of that year, maybe the seventeen sixty four, and this
is sort of around November. So I've got a huge
scar of like two hundred and ten stitches running from
you know, all the way around my right hand side.
And they had been talking about it downstairs, and I
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was sat on Paul's lap and I looked up and
I clucked his face, and I thought, I know this
bloke from somewhere. I've seen him somewhere. It was driving
me mad, and of course newspapers, television, the Beatles, you know,
it's the middle of sixty four in Liverpool. And he said, oh,
but I said, you want to see my scar? Do
you want to see my stitches and so I pull
up my pajamas and he said, oh boy, that's a
(09:03):
big scar for a little girl. Ringo's got a scar
on his tummy. He's had his appendix out and da
da da. And as soon as he said Ringo, I went, oh,
wait a second, I know who you are. You're on
my cousin's wallpaper. My cousin Geraldine had been wallpaper. She
was flrtified.
Speaker 4 (09:19):
It was sure an icebreaker, that's for sure. We all
roared laughing.
Speaker 3 (09:23):
And everybody laughed, and I was like, I knew, I
knew you from somewhere. You're on my cousin's wallpaper.
Speaker 4 (09:29):
She's been breaking eye ever since.
Speaker 1 (09:30):
Oh yeah, and by then you would have, had they right,
they would have been putting stuff on their wallpaper right
by that time.
Speaker 3 (09:37):
Oh yes, well yeah, in England absolutely, I mean they
they had done ed Sullivan in the first week of
February of that year and everything had just gone mad.
So they've done merchandise deals, they'd formed cell Tabe Limited.
There were lunch boxes, there were beetle boots, there were beetlewigs,
there were a year no you name it. And so
my cousin Geraldine who's two or three years older than me,
had a little they called him a Wendy House, a
(09:59):
playhouse at the bottom of the garden that uncle Peter
built for her out of you know, scrap wood and
left over window frames and stuff. And she got our
hands on a roll of So I'm four, she's seven,
and she persuaded her older brother, my cousin Peter, to
wallpaper the Wendy House with beetles, And of course I
recognized his face and she was mortified. She's like, oh God,
(10:21):
don't come off like a fan.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
Right, yeah, yeah, So tell me did you then?
Speaker 2 (10:28):
Did you?
Speaker 1 (10:29):
Did you fall in love with Jim McCartney. Did you
have a wonderful relationship?
Speaker 4 (10:33):
No, we just had a sort of kinship and both
had a need for a better.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
Life as a child. I just loved him.
Speaker 4 (10:43):
Yes, Well, we just grew, you know, closer and closer,
and we really loved one another after a while, and
realized how much we had in common and how much
each of us had sort of gone through in different ways,
and we were really thankful to be together and cared
for and financially sound and.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
Companionaionship, same sense of humor, same background, both piano players,
both great musicians.
Speaker 2 (11:10):
Was that he had. He was a pianist, Arnswer.
Speaker 4 (11:13):
Jim had a band in his younger days. It was
called Jim Max Jazz Band, and I'll send you some
information about it.
Speaker 3 (11:20):
Yeah, it was a huge band. He used to play
all the big ballrooms in Liverpool. And there's a film,
a graphic novel by a very famous English author whose
name escapes me now Raymond Jones, I think, and it's
called Ethel and Ernest and they made it into a
film and it's about a wartime couple. It's a sort
of you know, a cartoon film, and they go out,
(11:42):
they save up, save up, and they go on a
date to the Grafton Ballroom. And there's a little easter
egg in the movie, a nod to my dad because
they used his music, his one and only song in
the film. And as they're walking in there playing this
song walking in the Park with Eloise, and there's a
poster that the artists drew tonight one night only, Jim
Max Band, and it's like, ah, he made it, he
(12:05):
made itto, he made it to Hollywood after all these years.
Speaker 4 (12:07):
You know. Yeah, I'll send you some information week and
look at it. All of it's very interesting.
Speaker 1 (12:13):
No, that would that would be wonderful, Weld, we would
like that. And Ruth, then he became your dad.
Speaker 3 (12:20):
Yes, yeah, he became my dad. He adopted me. We
were flying somewhere. I think it was the and the Bahamash,
that's right. It was engine Jim's sort of official honeymoon
in the end of January nineteen sixty five. Yeah, was
it February? Yeah, And I was going to celebrate my
fifth birthday and George Harrison was having a birthday ten
(12:43):
days later. Help and the Beatles were filming Help, and
so the office in London arranged for us to go out.
I think they probably got free rooms at the ball
Moral Club, so you know, all we had to spring
for was the tickets. And we were flying out and
they used to call passengers by name in those days,
and so it was mister James and missus Angela McCartney,
(13:03):
and they called them forward to get their boarding passes,
and of course I was still Ruth Williams way down
the alphabet. I'm standing there crying, and Andree's like, I'm
not getting on the plane and leave, you know, And
so a light bulb went off in Dad's head. And
he's like, now she has to have the same last name.
As soon as we get home, I'm doing adoption papers.
I'm going to illegally adopt her. And so that's how
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I became from Ruth Williams to Ruth McCartney at the
tender age of five. Because and you know, if that
had never happened, like well, may never have gone on.
But he was so patient with me. I was a
little pain in the neck. I was, you know, four
or five years, hopping up and down on one leg,
Kurt saying, I bet you can't do this, and he's like,
(13:45):
you're right, You're right. I've got us writers in every
bone in my body, and yeah, I can't do that.
Speaker 4 (13:53):
Now. I think she introduced a new angle on life
to him because he's been a wonderful father to his
boys after Mary died, with both father and mother and
housekeeper and friend to the boys, and it was lovely
to have this carefree little thing skipping around the back garden.
And he had a swing put in for her and
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a paddling pool and different things, and he reveled in it.
He was really wonderful. He was strict with her too,
table manners and thank you notes, and you know, yes,
so I think it was good to have that grounding
when she was so young.
Speaker 2 (14:31):
And how was it, how was it being.
Speaker 1 (14:35):
Parents co parents, let's say, to the guys, to the Beatles,
I mean you both had completely different perspectives.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
Right, absolutely. Yes, Michael was still single at that stage,
but he was in a group called the Scaffold, a
satirical group, and they were touring the country, so he
was away a lot of the time. He lived at
home with her.
Speaker 3 (15:00):
Don't forget the age difference. So you know, I was
four and Paul was twenty two. Mike would have been
twenty twenty or twenty one, so and wasn't really co
parenting them.
Speaker 4 (15:10):
It was only twelve years older than Paul.
Speaker 3 (15:12):
Yeah, so she's only still still still twelve years older
than Paul. Yeah, so that was it wasn't sort of
a parenting relationship.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
He lived in London by then, because of course they
were always traveling and doing radio shows and television shows
and so on.
Speaker 3 (15:27):
So he'd come up to Liverpool every year, every other
weekend or every third weekend when he could.
Speaker 1 (15:33):
Yeah, but you talk about I see stories about that.
You would be in the kitchen and yet around the
front gate of the house. You know, everybody was there
and everybody was hanging around. Yes, was Jim more patient
with that or was it?
Speaker 2 (15:47):
Did it annoy him?
Speaker 4 (15:48):
And we were very very timid and very self efface
and he was overwhelmed, that absolutely, But he never wanted
to be unkind. But he certainly didn't want to get surrounded.
And he used to like to go for a walk
down to the lower village and go and have a
scotch in the little pub in the village. And then
he found it was getting to be surrounded and more
(16:11):
or less mobbed, so he had to give that up.
But monesday and I settled in and he got me
driving lessons and bought me a car. I was able
to take him out and we could just whip through
the crowd and go on.
Speaker 3 (16:25):
I mean, I was going to school in Heswall, at
the Puddydale. I guess you would call it a case
elementary school K through twelve, no elementaries older anyway, So
I start there on you know, four years old. You
start school in England four or five. And the head master,
god bless him, mister Kitchen, thought he was doing a
really good thing. When the day before I started one
(16:49):
day after school went in. So the first day of school,
he gathered all the students together and said, now, this
is this little girl coming in and she called Ruth,
and she's just come into the McCartney family. And yes
she's related to a Beatle, but you're to leave her alone,
don't make any special fuss about her. So what when
you tell a bunch of seven eight nine year old kids,
especially boys, don't bully this child, leave her alone, don't
(17:10):
don't steal her lunch, don't steal her Wellington. I mean,
one guy, one little boy, actually went to the bathroom
in my Wellington book Wellington. He said, you know, I mean,
and because we all had uniforms, you had to have
embroidered labels with your name in the back of your
coat and shirt and jacketed. You know, every you'd stitch
your name in. And so I mean, we went through
(17:32):
rolls and rolls and rolls of these embroidered labels, had
to stitch to me because kids would.
Speaker 2 (17:36):
Bring because they'd take them on for souvenirs.
Speaker 3 (17:39):
It would say McCartney on it. I would have kids
who would come and cut pieces of my hair. Ah,
steal my Luny. I mean, it was insane and.
Speaker 4 (17:50):
It wasn't very nice.
Speaker 3 (17:51):
Still don't own a pair of wellies to this day.
Speaker 4 (17:55):
But that was enough.
Speaker 2 (17:56):
That was enough.
Speaker 3 (17:57):
It does It never rains in southern California, so you
know you don't need them.
Speaker 2 (18:02):
Yeah, it's interesting. Interesting.
Speaker 3 (18:04):
We got out of that relationship and moved to London.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
That's when Tim Kendall's mother, Beryl Candall.
Speaker 3 (18:12):
That we moved to Sydney. That was when, Yes, that's
when my cousin Tim's mother Beryl, once we'd our visas
in Australia had run out, she said, well, I'm sort
of on the way home to England. I'm in Lagoon
and ne guel do you want to come and stay
with me for as long as you can and you know,
see what you see, what you think about America and
try and get on your feet. So it's still so
(18:33):
we moved in with with cousin Tim, cousin Debbie, and
I think Lynn was still living at home and the
late great Beryl Kendall and and where I met my
first wonderful husband who was still dear friends to this day.
And so the whirlwind romance a little like Angine Jim
got married, stayed, and the rest is history. I number
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three now, but you know.
Speaker 2 (18:57):
And so your current husband is number three.
Speaker 3 (19:00):
Number three. I think I think I'll keep him. He's
a good one. Martin another cut.
Speaker 2 (19:04):
Yeah, it seems that you get along pretty well.
Speaker 3 (19:07):
Oh yeah, we all live together, Angelips downstairs, and we
his recording and recording studios in here downstairs. His video
editing suite is upstairs, and we have the master suite upstairs,
and just got her office and her you know, bookshelves
and her author stuff down here. And we all just
get up every morning. He drinks coffee, we drink tea,
(19:28):
and we roll our sleeves up and keep getting it done.
Speaker 2 (19:32):
And how fun. So let's go to you.
Speaker 1 (19:35):
Let's talk about now you're in Los Angeles and you've
become entrepreneurs, authors. Let's talk about when did that start?
Speaker 2 (19:43):
What was the first thing?
Speaker 4 (19:48):
Sorry, no, go ahead. I got secretarial work with a
temp agency, and I met a few people from there,
which you know, gradually turned into one job after another.
I worked for Penthouse magazine, which was the good journey. Yeah, Norty,
but no, she wasn't.
Speaker 3 (20:08):
I wasn't in it.
Speaker 4 (20:09):
I used to just answer the phones, and oh boy,
did we get some phone calls.
Speaker 3 (20:14):
We'd take turns on reception, penthouse, Omni four Wheeler magazine,
Can I help you? And of course they were never
calling with questions about Omni or four wheeler. Yeah.
Speaker 4 (20:24):
I used to get the heavy breathers that did say
what are you wearing?
Speaker 3 (20:27):
Oh boys, I'd say, well Wellington booths and killed you know. Yeah,
we did. We did our jobs. And then in nineteen
ninety four, the North Through earthquake took the house we
were renting in Woodland Hills. It split the foundation open
and and at that point was working for USA Today
(20:49):
as the secretary, and Martin was freelancing. His learned trade,
apart from being an incredible musician and producer, was import
expert forwarding agent. So he was working doing that, and
we decided Nashville was hot, Nashville was music city. He
I'm a lyricist, He's a songwriter and lyricist, and she
(21:11):
could transfer her job anywhere, So she moved from the
USA Today to the Tennessee. And in Nashville, we packed
what little we had left in a nineteen eighty two
Honda Civic. I drove the five ton truck out there.
Martin followed in the Honda Civic and flew out there
and started work, and we got a flat in Nashville
and spent, oh, I get three or four to three
and a half years there. And during that time, in
(21:34):
nineteen ninety four, there was this thing called the Internet.
And I was writing songs with a very famous Australian
legendary musician called Brian Kad and I went over to
his house one day and he said, oh, mate, he said,
have you seen this thing called the Internet. It's bloody amazing.
It's like a library book. And you go here. You
got to unplug the fax machine and plug the computer
(21:54):
in to this thing called a modem, and you wait
for the boomeranging puting put on, and then it's the
boomerang settled down. All these things will come up on
your computer and you can if they're under lined and blue,
you can click on them and you can go to
another place in the world. It's like it's like a
big connected library book. So my brain is exploding, like
you're yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (22:14):
Yeah, you're all over the place now you are codes.
Speaker 3 (22:17):
So we finished writing a bunch of our songs for
the day and I stopped in at the Nashville Davidson
County Library System on the way home, and there were
only fourteen books in the entire world written on HTML code,
which is the base hypertext market language, the code that
runs the Internet. So I ordered them. They had to
be they had to be ordered in from DC and
(22:40):
New York and San Francisco and San Jose and whatever.
So I got these fourteen books for twenty one days
from the library. We locked ourselves in at way too
much Papa John's Pizza, and my husband and I taught
ourselves code and opened Acartney Multimedia and the business. And
I went up and down music Road, knocking on publishers
doors and theaters and artist management, saying, you need a website.
(23:02):
And here's why, why do I need a website? What's
a website. I'm like, no, it's a website with a TLL.
Why would I need one? And so we built them
for oh my gosh, Clint Black Leanne Rimes. And that's
how we started the business. I just went knocking on
doors in Nashville and we were the only people in
town who knew. I called an old buddy, David Cassidy,
(23:24):
and I said, I bought you this thing called a
dot com. You are now officially Davidcassidy dot com. Every
time you get on stage, put that on the drumhead
and say, you know, you've changed your name to David
Cassidy dot com. And sure enough, we built up a
huge following there. But in those days, you couldn't collect date, name, address,
city states, if you couldn't put anything into the Internet.
(23:44):
It was a one way display window. And so we
jacked away to make FileMaker pro work with HTML and
we were among the first people to start collecting fan data,
which turned into iphans dot com, which we then old
to constant contact and it's all about permission based marketing.
I still say to people today. They're like, well, why
(24:06):
do I need a web page or a dot com?
I said because, And they say, I've got fifteen thousand
likes on Facebook, and I say, yeah, who are they?
What's their middle initial? Where do they live, how do
you get in touch with them? What's the zip code?
What are they allergic to? What music do they listen to?
What sports team do they follow? Mark Zuckerberg knows, do
you know? And they're like light bulb goes on, Oh,
(24:29):
I need my own guest book. I need my Yeah,
yeah you do because without permission. And winding back to
John Lennon, he used to call the fans the customers.
He'd come and visit occasionally for the weekend, and we
had all the fan mail for Paul that we used
to help FRIEDA. Kelly who ran the fan club with
Brian Epstein or Brian Epstein. We used to get all
(24:49):
the Paul fan mail and and would sort it, and
I would help with pocket money. To earn pocket money.
And John had go sit on the floor underneath the
dining table and say, all these big bankers boxes and
he said, oh, look at all these lovely customers. These
were all in Japan, and these rule in Australia because
andrewould sort them, you know, being the consummate secretary, and
so I you know, I was about eight, and I said,
(25:11):
why do you call them customers? Uncle Johnny said, well,
because they're spending money. And if there was only a
way where we could pull them and ask them what
songs should we do next as a single? Where should
we go next for a concert? Which countries would like
to see us? He basically invented the internet underneath our
dining table, but it would be forty years before the
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technology was there to support it.
Speaker 1 (25:34):
Yes, yes, interesting, interesting, So you came up with this
idea and you then and how long then did you
stay in Nashville.
Speaker 3 (25:44):
We were there about three and a half years, and
Martin started getting a lot of jingles and voiceover work.
He's born in born and bred in Germany, so he's
completely bilingual. His native languages German. And so he was
flying back and forth to l a lot and he's like, oh, dude,
I love this place. And I'm like, all right, well,
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you know we can we can give it another crack.
We can turn around and go back. Because he had lived,
you know, we were living together in the valley in
Woodland Hills when the when the earth cracked, and so
he's like, I miss La, I want to go back,
And so we did, and we came to where we
are now in Playa del Rey, which is near Lax Yes,
and we'd started the business, so we were incorporated and
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we just kept going. And so another happenstance happened where
I got my hands on a whole bunch of domain names,
including McCartney dot com, fleetwoodmac dot com, Donna dot com,
The Pope dot com oh you name it, and that's
a story for another day. But I then had all
of these dot coms I'd paid fifty bucks each forum,
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and I went around Hollywood giving them away on the
proviso that if I gave you your dot com. But it's
still only nineteen ninety seven April by this point, if
I you your dot com free and clear, you agree
to use our firm to build your website, run your
fan club, help with your merchandising, and so on and
so forth. So that's how we got a ton of
those celebrity clients is because we made we turned them
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on to being the owners of their own dot com.
Speaker 2 (27:18):
And did they keep their word?
Speaker 3 (27:21):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean a lot of them
have faded away since the bands have broken up or whatever,
but we still have the jazz great Steve Tyrell as
the client after gosh thirty years, Edgar Winter, the rock
and roller Edgar Winter dot com, which we're in the
middle of redoing again for the emptieth time. He's been
with us, I think thirty one years. So we started
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doing this well when Mark Zuckerberg was nine.
Speaker 2 (27:46):
Think about that, Think about that.
Speaker 4 (27:48):
I know, yeah, sobering thought we might we might know
what we're doing by.
Speaker 1 (27:52):
Now right now, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, and actually in
all awearness barby where he is because of some things
brought to be right.
Speaker 4 (28:02):
Well, I don't know about that, but you know, we
are nudged them along.
Speaker 3 (28:06):
We managed, We manage social media for lots of client
accounts to make sure they're on brand and on message.
And you know, we're about to meet and potentially partner
with a reputation crisis management firm because some of the
people we represent will go do stupid stuff and hack
their own passwords and take take things and drink things
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in the middle of the night they shouldn't and then
get on Twitter whoop, or drive their cars or drive
So yeah, sometimes you need crisis management. And then on
the other side, because.
Speaker 1 (28:36):
We know a few people who could handle crisis management in.
Speaker 4 (28:40):
The world, get into politics.
Speaker 3 (28:47):
But in the in the meantime, I just you know,
I'm sixty five now and going to rock loud rock
concerts in there, done that, enjoyed it. Just you know,
the high heels in the late nights are not my
thing anymore. And so my husband said about five years ago,
Martin said, well, you love what you do, and you
love kind of managing people and their brand and their PR.
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What is it you're passionate about. I said, well, I'm
a foodie. I've got the Food Network on you know,
speed dial in the background, and so now we manage
the PR media representation, in some cases social media for
a bunch of Michelin Star Chef, James Bard, Best Chef
Texas winner, Bib Gourmand, Cheroke a chucktaw Native restaurant. A
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lot of them are in Houston. We've got a kid
up in Dallas who's running a five star lobster mac
and cheese truck. We're getting him TV appearances and all
of that stuff. So chefs are just like rock stars.
They don't play guitars, but they have frying pants. So
it's really not that much of a difference when you're
you know, you're doing media for people. They're not singing,
but they're producing food.
Speaker 1 (29:56):
But I would guess that they probably don't even think
about doing as much self promotion as they do.
Speaker 4 (30:04):
The beginning.
Speaker 3 (30:06):
You have to if you want to get on the
James Beard list or the you want michel in your restaurant,
towards the wards your restaurant and your chef has to
rise above the noise in any given city. And Houston
has twenty nine thousand restaurants and six and six Michelin stars,
So you have to do a lot of promotion, glad handing,
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good will, charity events, invitation dinners, entertaining, you know, all
of that behind the scenes stuff, which is what we
handle for a lot of our culinary clients.
Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yes, and I'm sure they're so glad to have you
as representing them.
Speaker 3 (30:48):
Yeah, they're They're all great to work with them, and
they're so hard working. But they have that same the
kitchen has the same camaraderie as a tour bus, you know,
a film crew a film. It's very there. Yeah, they're
all brothers and sisters at arms, and their goal is
to you know, have a perfect show or have a
perfect service and see the fans go home happy or
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the diners go home happy. It's really you know, the
restaurant business done right is show business.
Speaker 2 (31:15):
Yes, yeah, that's really r at that level.
Speaker 3 (31:18):
You know, unless you're slinging hash somewhere and making five
grand a day and enjoying it. Good on you. You know.
Some of my favorite food is you know, the plain
Jaye meat and potato type stuff. But when you're trying
to put on a Michelin type experience, it's front of house,
it's back of house. It's down to you know, folding
the knackins and polishing the glasses and just everything. The
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smile will greet you when you, you know, step up
to the front desk. So it's showbiz. It's what I
grew up and it's really no different.
Speaker 1 (31:47):
And unfortunately diners are very fickle. Right, one bad experience,
that's it, and I can't come back again.
Speaker 4 (31:53):
Right.
Speaker 3 (31:54):
And in the music business, there really isn't a Yelp
for bad concerts. People just go, eh, I couldn't hear,
or I had bad seats, or his voice was a
little off, or she, you know, she sang a little
flat or whatever. But they'll share that amongst themselves. They'll
whine on their own Facebook page. But the problem that
restaurants have is Yelp and Trip Advisor and you know,
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Google My Business and all of that. Fortunately, we're partnered
with a company out of Miami called fave Me, which
they manage expectations and they manage ratings and stuff for restaurants,
and they have relationships with these big companies that if
somebody's being mean and unfair in an unjustified way, they
can get those those reviews to you, the bad reviews
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taken down if it's patently obvious that it's a put
up job. You know. But you know, you think about
a chef or somebody running a restaurant. They have to
deal with all of this stuff, the health department, of
the alcohol department, the slip and fall, the worker's camp
let alone, buying and presenting the food and coming up
with menus. It's a rough game, man.
Speaker 2 (32:53):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely it is.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Let's talk about your books. Oh yeah, the first book?
Speaker 2 (33:00):
And what inspired you?
Speaker 4 (33:03):
Well, I think initially it must have been those letters
from my brother with the red corrections only used to
say good, do better. I think then I probably had
the idea at the back of my head I wanted
to be a writer. And it didn't happen until nineteen
ten years ago. Now, yeah, ten years ago, and I
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think it's twelve years, isn't it.
Speaker 3 (33:29):
And this book is called Andrew McCartney my longer wedding group,
the first eighty two point nine years.
Speaker 4 (33:34):
Yeah, so I was eighty three when it actually hit
the bookshelves.
Speaker 3 (33:37):
She's nearly ninety six.
Speaker 4 (33:38):
Nearly ninety six, and I'm on my ninth book. Yeah,
so yeah, that was mostly about my life and you know,
the things we've talked about today. And then I moved
on and of course I found by being on the internet,
I was in touch with a lot of people who
are Beatle fans and they used to write to me
and ask me things. So that started me on the
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trend of writing things like Ticket to Ride, which is
a description of a lot of the main places where
the Beatles played and were known.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:12):
I just I just bought The hard Heart.
Speaker 4 (34:14):
Yeah, I just knowl on yesterday actually too.
Speaker 3 (34:18):
Yeah, it's it's subtitle is a day trippers guide to
legendary Beatles locations. It covers Liverpool, London, Hamburg, New York
and la that they must see Beatlestocks. It's published by
Imagine and Wonder out in New York. And as you
were saying, well each place, each location has its own
dedicated QR code, which is a landing page that my
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husband Martin built on McCartney dot com, which is abled
you know, if people's opening hours change, or the prices change,
or if somewhere shuts down. We keep those all updated.
So it's a book that never goes out of date
because if you scan the QR code, it takes you
to the internet relate to the latest and greatest whatever
it is. So that yeah, that's and.
Speaker 1 (35:02):
Is that the book that has the radio in Hamburg?
Speaker 3 (35:07):
No, it's not. That is a book called There Are
Faces I Remember, which is also published by Imagine and Wonder,
and it comes This is just a slip box because
it weighs seven and a half pounds.
Speaker 2 (35:24):
So it's a beautiful book. It's beautiful.
Speaker 3 (35:27):
This this These are paintings by an artist by the
name of Shannon MacDonald and it's absolutely unbelievable.
Speaker 4 (35:34):
They feel photographs.
Speaker 3 (35:35):
You would think they were photographed, but all of the
photographs inside I digitally painted. So I did the artwork
inside and Shannon did the cover. And there's a QR
code in there to something called Liverpool Live Radio, which
you're amazing. So every time you scan it you just
get live on air what's happening, so you can get
the football results, the English weather, whatever music they're playing.
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It's for people to brush up on their scouts accent
before they go to Liverpool.
Speaker 4 (36:03):
It's amazing.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
I opened it and I scan on it and there
is it's just live radio. That's really fascinated. But then,
Angie orrif you.
Speaker 1 (36:11):
Told me about the story of that, and I forgot
the name of the company so called my husband, I said, oh,
you can now listen to live radio in Holland.
Speaker 3 (36:20):
Yes, it's called https radio dot Garden. It's not dot com,
it's dot garden. So Radio dot Garden and it's an
app in the App and Samsung Store, the Google Play Store,
and you can also just dial it in your browser.
And it's a combination project between Google Earth and the
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University of Hilversum in Holland, who was one of the
very first long range AM radio cities in the world.
And you used to listen to Hilversum on AM radio
back in the day in England in the nineteen thirties.
And so yeah, they just give the radio station a
line of code and they imploy meant it in their
RSS feed and you can listen to It's funny when
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you scroll across the globe you see all of these
clusters of dots all over Europe, and then you get
further east and further east, and the globe is North Korea.
And there's like one dot inang no no, and the
sound of things blowing up, you know.
Speaker 2 (37:20):
Pretty sad, pretty sad.
Speaker 1 (37:22):
So then you and you're you're still writing correct coming
out we want to hear about it.
Speaker 4 (37:28):
Yes, I'm writing a book about well.
Speaker 3 (37:30):
We have these too. This is with a little help
from my scones. And this is my cookbook that I
compiled from British disappearing eighteenth, nineteenth and early twentieth century
British recipes. Again all illustrated and researched by More And
the book is in black and white to keep the
cost reasonable. However, when you buy it, you scan the
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code and you get your full color iPad kindle version,
a digital version. All of the pictures are then in color,
including the yummy Christmas po We'll stop it. So that's
that one. And then we have another joint book called
All You Need Is Tea, and that subtitle is Titans, Traditions,
Tall Tales, Terroir and Tantalizing Treats. And that is the
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complete history of tea from three hundred and twenty BC
all the way up until today, and the story of
all the tea titans like Twinings and berries, tea and
all of the history of all the India and roebus
from South Africa and all of that stuff.
Speaker 4 (38:30):
And those searching that one, the late La.
Speaker 2 (38:34):
Those two are still coming up. You have another one,
go ahead, Yeah.
Speaker 3 (38:37):
They're all on missus McCartney's teas dot com. And then
this one that just came out literally last week is
called Words of Wisdom, Twisted English and Linguistic Lunacy for
word nerds, and it includes spoonerisms, eggcorns, wellerisms, oxymorons, malapropisms,
tom swifties, pangrams, portmanteaus, idioms, contronyms, and antonyms, so it's
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it's a real nerds guide to the English language. And
inside it it's also got regional sayings from Liverpool, Manchester, rhyming, slang,
all of those things. And it's sort of written in
a very Monty pythonesque tongue in cheek sort of a way.
So it's it's a great insight into the English language,
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but with you know, with tongue in cheek, and of
course as ever, it has the q RCOs that take
us take you to our websites.
Speaker 1 (39:31):
Of course, and then you have the limericks one also, oh, yes.
Speaker 3 (39:36):
That we are sold out of unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (39:39):
Oh I must have bought your last.
Speaker 3 (39:40):
Copy probably, but I have here the writer's copy, so
it's got a big great thing across it. But that's
called Missus McCartney's Liverpool Limericks and other random Irish haikus,
and it is basically the story of Liverpool, the Fabs,
all of the people from pop culture from the sixties
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like Twiggy and Brian Epstein. And the whole book is
written in Limerick format. And again I did all of
these illustrations. That's the Hollywood Bowl. There's the whiskey of
Go Go. I'm trying to get it in focus. My
camera's not doing so well. And that is the Liverpool
Limerick Book. And then Andre's working on yet another one
to be revealed, soon.
Speaker 2 (40:21):
To be revealed.
Speaker 1 (40:22):
Okay, well you can let us be the first ones
when you're ready to reveal it.
Speaker 4 (40:26):
Okay, I will let you know. That's a promise.
Speaker 2 (40:29):
Now tell us about the tea. So what inspired you?
Speaker 1 (40:31):
I mean, I'm sure that you were inspired about teas
because of your living in England. What was it you said,
I need to sell tea?
Speaker 4 (40:39):
Years ago we had a party at the house here
and not a guest. I think it was very dumb. Yeah,
I know, it was fourth of fourth of July. That's
what I was trying to hear. And when I turned
to this gentleman, a friend of ours from Arizona who
doesn't drink. He doesn't drink, I said, would you like wine,
beer modka? He said no, I'd like a nice cup
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of tea. And I'm sure, as you're from Liverpool, you
must know how to make tea properly. And just the
light went on, you know. We thought about it, and
he said, why don't you start a tea company? So
we started researching, but it was very difficult.
Speaker 3 (41:15):
Well tell me about two and a half years to
find suppliers who didn't use children child no child labor
and no chemicals and fair trade and paying fair wages
and whatever. So our teas we have fourteen flavors and
they come from twenty three countries and they're blended up
in Buffalo, New York. And then we had to go
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down there. Well, do you want loose tea or tea bags?
And tea bags are obviously more you know, appropriate, but
this round, once the square ones, there's tags and there's staples.
And then there's soil on and then there's tetrahydrants. People
call them pyramids, but they're actually tetrahydrant. And so you know,
I had to research all the material and of course
nothing matches. It's like hot dogs and buns. So you
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buy the labor which come the little tags on the end.
They come in dozens, right in twelves. Everything else is decimal,
like the strings are in a thousand strings per bag.
But you get and then the soilon, which only is
made in two companies in Japan, which is the nylon
material that doesn't melt in boiling water for the pyramid tetrahydron.
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Tea bags that comes in metric measurements. But the way
that the bags are all cut and the machines that
cut them here, they're all in feet and inches. So
just getting tea in a bag is like all you want.
Speaker 4 (42:37):
Is a TA bag. Oh my goodness, that's what you
go through.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
And so then you get the insurance company who says, well,
are you going to heat seal the label to the string,
because if you use staples, you have to have a
ten million dollar insurance in case the staple goes in
somebody's cut yeah, so let's start a tea company.
Speaker 4 (42:55):
Oh yeah, it's never easy, but we did.
Speaker 3 (43:00):
Yeah, and it's our twentieth anniversary.
Speaker 4 (43:02):
Yeah, this year.
Speaker 1 (43:03):
The next time your friend says you must have a
cup of tea, you can say you can't imagine, you.
Speaker 4 (43:08):
Don't even know, you don't even want to know.
Speaker 3 (43:11):
Ye, yeah, good, No, we do this time of Ye,
we do a lot of corporate gifting because with the
way the labels are printed, we can be even small batches. Again,
of course we have a QR code on the back,
but we just shipped a huge order for hosting dot Com.
They're giving away one thousand pouches of tea at an
upcoming conference and it says on the back a gift
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from missus McCartney's teas and from our profits. Every year
we give donations to the Lynda McCartney Breast Cancer Research
Unit in Liverpool and England.
Speaker 1 (43:44):
Yes, I see that, and I don't want to take
a long time, but it just want to make a
segue about I'm touched by your involvement still with Lynda
McCartney's fundraising and she must have been a special person
to you.
Speaker 3 (44:00):
Yeah, yeah, she took If there was one thing she
taught me. She'd say, if you're han't a great day,
go outside, look up to the sky and say thank you.
If you're having a bad day, go outside and look
up to the sky and realize how big the universe
is and how small the person is who's trying to
make your day bad.
Speaker 2 (44:20):
Oh a great story.
Speaker 4 (44:23):
Yeah, even if.
Speaker 3 (44:24):
It's raining once day, take five minutes for yourself. Just
go outside and breathe. So even if you're looking up
into rain falling out of clouds, you're part of something bigger.
You're here for a reason, and don't let anybody tell
you you're not.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
That's a beautiful story.
Speaker 1 (44:42):
And with all that you've been through with the Beatles
and all of that, that you still remember her of
your fundraising, it must have been a really special relationship.
Speaker 3 (44:53):
She was amazing. I mean when you think about she,
you know, she landed from New York again with a
young daughter aged four. It was like, you know, history
repeating itself. Her daughter, Heather, Heather Sea Paul adopted her,
so she became Heather McCartney, just like I had become
Ruth McCartney. Yes, and she joined She learned to sing,
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she learned to play keyboards, She had more of Paul's babies.
She started Linda McCartney's veget She turned to meatless mondays
was her thing. She turned a lot of people vegetarian.
She started the Linda McCartney frozen foods. She continued to
be a photographer. She had exhibitions and she was an
incredible mother and wife and touring musician.
Speaker 2 (45:37):
Holy moly.
Speaker 3 (45:38):
Yeah, she doesn't get enough credit.
Speaker 1 (45:40):
Oh yeah, And I saw an interview with her and
she originally didn't even start out as a photographer.
Speaker 2 (45:47):
It was all kind of by accident how she came.
Speaker 3 (45:49):
Yeah, she had a roommate called Lillian Roxon who was
working for Rolling Stone and shoved a camera in her
hand and said, I need somebody to go and photograph
the Rolling Stones tonight, and boom, there she was with
a Pentax or a Nikon I can't remember, on the
backstage pass and a backstage pass and she's like, I
better learn this fast.
Speaker 1 (46:08):
There's so many times in life when we think of
and you've been through them, as we all have, where
you think, what if I hadn't been there at that
exact moment?
Speaker 4 (46:16):
If Yeah, but if I hadn't.
Speaker 1 (46:17):
Been there, what if that day I was doing something else.
What if I was somewhere else?
Speaker 2 (46:22):
Right? What would have happened?
Speaker 3 (46:24):
Right?
Speaker 2 (46:25):
So that's a pretty amazing story.
Speaker 4 (46:28):
Yeah, it's a very interesting book called what if Lamely
with Beetle World and what if this happn't happened? What
if Fallen John had not met on the day? Yes,
and it's very interesting by David Bedford. And that's on
Amazon dot com. There you are, David, I gave you
book a plug.
Speaker 3 (46:47):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (46:48):
Absolutely, And now let me ask you about the wine
so I can understand the tea. Where at what point
did you start selling wine?
Speaker 3 (46:57):
Well, that's in limbo at the moment. We're trying to
find a new distribute. It's very difficult. Again, you think
tea is difficult, wine and alcohol across state lines and
every administration has their own new rules depending upon whether
that administration in vibes or not. And so trying to
ship the wines are incredible. They're fruit and dessert wines.
So we have Maharishi Peach, Abbey Road Apple. They're only
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eight percent and if you're in Texas or Louisiana you
can buy them no problem. But we're trying to redo
our distribution at the moment simply because and your friend
Patrick will know about all of this is simply because
of you know, state shipping rules and winery rules and
so on and so forth. But missus McCartney's wines dot
com is still there, so people can go check it
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out and join the mailing list, and we'll bust out
an email when we're ready to mystic ready to rock again.
They make great cocktail mixes, so we have there or
with afternoon tea, so they're like a sherry or a port.
We have BlackBerry, blueberry, peach apple, and I forget strawberry. Strawberry.
Speaker 4 (47:56):
Of course, strawberry feels a little drop.
Speaker 3 (47:59):
In a prosecco or you know, in place of apparol
will compire you something like that.
Speaker 1 (48:04):
So of course our viewers and our listeners are going
to ask what's next, and especially Angie, Doctor Angie McCartney,
I'm be sure we get that in there.
Speaker 2 (48:15):
That what is next for you?
Speaker 1 (48:18):
It seems your energy is unless both of you have
ideas that never stop, which I love and can certainly
relate to. And Ruth, I'm so fascinated by both of
you that you see something in Okay, what can I
do with that, and so I'll just go to the
library and get the twelve books that they have and
I will create this and oh, by the way, dot
com so I'll just buy everybody's names and then I'll
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go knock on their doors.
Speaker 2 (48:42):
So what's next? Do you know what's next?
Speaker 3 (48:45):
No?
Speaker 4 (48:46):
I don't. Actually, I'm trying to find a way for
peevens to encourage people to be kind to each other,
to listen to each other, to listen to the other side,
even if you think it's rubbish, just listen, you know.
Speaker 3 (49:00):
Yeah, I just well, for Ange on the book side,
she's again, I was saying, she's writing, researching and interviewing people.
Of course every week on Facebook live on doctor Angie
McCartney's page, and then later on YouTube. We have te
flicks Tuesdays. It's like Netflix, but it's teef Flix. We
have some fascinating guests, a lot of beatle authors. We
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like to promote their books and keep that sort of
family of you know, old hippies alive around the world.
And yeah, I know, I'm just I'm looking forward to
continuing to work with not just existing clients, but you know,
helping young restaurateurs and young chefs really get the recognition
they deserve for all the hard work they do and
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you know, feeding us and making us happy.
Speaker 1 (49:46):
Of all the things that you have done, what do
you want to be remembered for day? Mother?
Speaker 4 (49:57):
Oh I'm going all stoppy now, I'm good to stop
sniffing crying.
Speaker 3 (50:02):
Yeah, I don't you know, I honestly don't know. Just
if if there's a headstone anywhere just she was kind.
I just try to be kind to people. When I
go to the supermarket. If I see somebody who is
not particularly prepossessing, but they've made an effort, I'll say, wow,
that is a great color on you, or look at
your nails, aren't you gorgeous, or just just compliment somebody
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who looks like they need it. I do it every
single day. That makes me feel great because.
Speaker 2 (50:27):
You never know what's going on in their life. No, no, absolutely,
you never know.
Speaker 1 (50:33):
And you I've heard you say, I've read that any
day above ground is a bonus.
Speaker 4 (50:38):
True it is.
Speaker 1 (50:41):
And so you're you've you have a You've been a
great mother, obviously, you know you've You've allowed Ruth and
welcomed the opportunity for her to become all the things
that she is.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
You.
Speaker 1 (50:55):
I'm sure there were times when you sheltered her in
her young life as well as allowed her to be
in the middle of all this excitement.
Speaker 4 (51:02):
Yeah, there was.
Speaker 3 (51:03):
There were also times when I was in my pop
Russian pop star phase, touring across Russia, Lithuania, let the Armenia, Siberia, whatever,
that she came in the helicopter with me and drank
vodka for breakfast. So you know, hasn't always been woolf No.
Speaker 1 (51:16):
And by the way, I saw the video about there's
a six minute video but on YouTube that I saw
that incorporated some of that, which is pretty amazing.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
So that was.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
A fun phase going being a pop star in a
country where you can come out of Russia and go
home and nobody recognizes you, and you don't get bothered
at the supermarket, but you know, a thousand miles away,
you get off the plane in Moscow and your mob.
It was like living for two different people. It was bizarre.
Speaker 4 (51:41):
It was great the first time in Moscow, and so
all these camera crews at the airport thought, I wonder
if Michael Jackson's on this play.
Speaker 3 (51:49):
Yeah, I was looking around the arrivals hall for Madonna.
Speaker 4 (51:52):
But they've been running heir one and only video on
all nine time zones. Yeah, before we got amazing Lecloney
is coming.
Speaker 3 (52:01):
Yeah. McCartney the other one. The billboards they put up
McCartney's coming to Moscow. They didn't tell him it was
this one, this.
Speaker 4 (52:08):
One it was.
Speaker 2 (52:09):
And well, they should have. They should have. They should have,
they should have.
Speaker 1 (52:15):
And Ruth, I've heard you say, should never be afraid
to number one pivot, which certainly the two of you
have done multiple times. You should never be afraid to
reach for the stars, which you also have done multiple Yeah.
And number three, never be afraid to get anybody in
the world on the phone. Is that still the Pope?
Speaker 3 (52:38):
It could be the Pope. It could be. Yeah. I
used to. I used to take challenges. It's it's not
so easy nowadays with cell phones. But if you've got
something you really want to say to somebody in a
position of power, I mean, and what I mean the
metaphor of never be afraid to get anybody in the
world on the phone is never be afraid to speak
truth to power. If it's something you're passionate about, find
a way to get your message to the game changes.
Speaker 2 (53:04):
Great, great message great message, ladies.
Speaker 1 (53:08):
Thank you so much. This has been a delight and
honor a pleasure. We're an honor.
Speaker 4 (53:14):
Oh we loved it.
Speaker 1 (53:17):
You're amazing and inspiring and energetic and all of those things,
all the things that we all would love to take away.
Speaker 2 (53:25):
From this and us about yourself, your spirit.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
Thank you for being our guest today and so cal
with val We do have another radio show that's Always
Ageless with Valerie v which airs on the same station,
and we hope you'll be a guest on that show
as well. Thank you very much and God bless you
both and wishing you much health. And I'm in line
for your next books and for some corporate to you
(53:53):
as well.
Speaker 3 (53:54):
Excellent Jollie good well, hey hashtag go power.
Speaker 2 (53:58):
Absolutely thank you so much.
Speaker 4 (54:00):
Oh, thank you well.
Speaker 3 (54:01):
God bless
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