Flying Drunk At Pearl Harbor

U.S. Army Air Corps pilots Kenneth Taylor and George Welch had a few days off in tropical paradise and decided to let loose at an officer Christmas party. They parlay that into an all night poker game before eventually getting to bed -- three sheets to the wind -- at around 7 am...December 7th, 1941. 

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You. I'm now listening to soft core history.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to sophomore History. I'm your
host for the week, damn Or Jester, joined as always
by Rob Fox.

Speaker 3 (00:20):
Very sober Rob Fox.

Speaker 1 (00:22):
Tonight sort of not drinking today because I spent the
entire weekend punishing my body. Sleep deprived, sleep, extremely sleep deprived,
punch drunk. Yes, I'm a slap happy is what we
called it as kids. That's where I'm at tonight. So
I'm feeling kind of great in a weird way.

Speaker 2 (00:40):
That's good.

Speaker 3 (00:41):
It's honestly, it's never the alcohol it gets me anymore.
It is the lack of sleep.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
I'm kind of in the same boat as you, not
with tiredness, but I've broken off the point of desperation
that I'm just happy again, like nothing matters.

Speaker 1 (00:59):
Yeah, you're I don't know, not black pilled necessarily, but
you're just freaking no.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
No, it's called clear pill, clear pilled nothing. You know,
I can't control it.

Speaker 3 (01:08):
Who cares?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
You know, things are gonna happen, things are not gonna happen.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:12):
They just call Saint Francis is serenity p prayer, clear
pill now it's.

Speaker 2 (01:16):
Call clear pill. Nothing matters and that's okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21):
Same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:21):
It's just like you can't control everything or even most
of anything, So just fucking chill, asshole, just have a
good time. Yeah, whatever you want, fuck it, who cares?
I think Marcus Raeli has said that too. It's just
like people have figured this out order again, like, so
little is in my control. I'm just gonna skip through life.
Just let life take the wheel exactly. It is funny too,
by the way, that one of the people who came
to the conclusion like I pretty much can't control anything,

(01:44):
was the most powerful man on earth.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah at that time. Yeah, like literally.

Speaker 1 (01:50):
Stoicism peak of the Roman Empire. He's the upper and
he's like.

Speaker 3 (01:55):
Man, I can't do shit.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I'm not sure if that's the lesson I was supposed
to take, but I did.

Speaker 3 (01:58):
Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:00):
But also, you know, twenty nineteen kind of felt this
way dark as here in my life. And the result
of it, though, was this podcast.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
So what's next? So it makes you wonder some thing's
coming from the ashes, the phoenix will rise. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:17):
I was gonna sing the West Side Story song Something's Coming,
but I can't remember the lyrics or my own children's
names right now. So yeah, I mean, I'm not expecting
you to really bring it tonight, but that's fine. I'm
gonna bring it fucking hard, dude, because I'm I'm just
ready to let rip.

Speaker 2 (02:32):
Well, you know what today is?

Speaker 3 (02:33):
What is today? Oh? It's Pearl Harbor Day, isn't it.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's the day that'll live in infamy.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
Yeah, never forget.

Speaker 2 (02:38):
We're recording on Pearl Harbor Day, December seventh.

Speaker 1 (02:43):
Bastards. Actually I got served a wild picture today from
a history account. They're pulling like a Japanese pilot from
the water in Pearl Harbor, not alive.

Speaker 3 (02:53):
His face was melted off. It was just on Instagram.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
Yeah, like the original nine to eleven Pearl Harbor. Yeah,
and I mean that with our generation make up one.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Of Pearl Harbor a lot. Oh yeah, it's a great
joke long before nine eleven. I think it's a much
in some ways, a much scarier event than nine to
eleven because after even when nine to eleven happened, I
was like, Okay, well that was there. That was their punch,
you know what I mean, Like, what are they gonna do?

Speaker 2 (03:20):
It's also probably where conspiracies for the most part started.
Why were the aircraft cavia is gone?

Speaker 1 (03:27):
Yeah, but Pearl Harbor's scarier because it's like, oh, this
whole ass military just did this to us and they're
still out there hunting.

Speaker 3 (03:36):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (03:36):
Yeah, like a whole nation that's been a conquering shit
for like eight years at that point.

Speaker 3 (03:41):
Uh and yeah, so that's to me that they were bucking.

Speaker 1 (03:45):
They were absolutely and they just like crippled our navy
and they could do it. Essentially, the whole strike was
set like to make sure that the US's capabilities were
just fucked for like six months.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
It wasn't totally out of nowhere though.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
More than that, we're like cutting off their oil and shit,
and like they were.

Speaker 1 (04:01):
Happy about that, Yeah, because we had so it wasn't
totally expect I mean, we had serious holdings in the Pacific,
we run, we owned the Philippines pretty much. I'm sure
Hitler wasn't stoked that waking up the Sleeping Giant couldn't
have been a fun December eighth had to have been
a terrible morning in Berlin. Yeah, just like what put

(04:26):
the the invaded Russia like six months ago. Defight America
now too, What are you thinking what did they do?
The Japanese are just like we were bored.

Speaker 3 (04:36):
I don't know. Fuck those Fuck those guys. You got
our back, right.

Speaker 2 (04:39):
They dove the planes into the boats.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
But fi, but fy, what was he doing to you?
We were just about to conquer the Middle East and
then you can have the oil. Who cares about the
Baccan oil, you assholes?

Speaker 2 (04:54):
I know it feels like such a cell phone by Japan.
It didn't have to drag us in.

Speaker 3 (04:58):
A monstrous cell phone budgetpan like.

Speaker 1 (05:01):
Seems like a rage fit just throwing their controller at
the wall. Yeah, it's just like it's like you're at
a party and the other guy's not even starting a fight,
but you just don't like him, and you just swing
on him.

Speaker 3 (05:15):
Yeah, and you get a good shot in. You get
a good shot in. The problem is that guy six'.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
Five it's because he took like the last beer in
a six pack.

Speaker 3 (05:25):
Right out of the.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
Fridge right, now you're, pissed.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
And it's, like way more pissed than you should have.

Speaker 2 (05:30):
Been wasn't even your, beer somebody else brought.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
It, yeah but.

Speaker 2 (05:34):
Now you have to make a run, Now, yeah you're
already buzzed and you're like, FUCK i don't want to
get in the car right. Now and then you Get
i'm gonna punch him in the face and try to
take that.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
Beer, yeah and then you get all mad at him
when he turns around and murders. You, well we're gonna
do A Pearl harbor. Episode hell, YEAH i mean most
we haven't done. Anything most of My Pearl harbor knowledge
really comes from the Movie Pearl.

Speaker 2 (05:58):
Harbor we're gonna touch on the Movie Pearl, harbor. Okay in,
fact we're gonna really focus on one story From Pearl.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
Harbor are we Going Dory? Miller, no, Okay.

Speaker 1 (06:09):
We're going with Second Lieutenant's Kenneth taylor And George, well,
oh we're Going Ben affleck And Josh. Hartday, no for
those the guys have gotten, there they're loosely. Based, YEAH i,
KNOW i, KNOW i, know, Essentially like it's just that
what they do at Actual Pearl harbor for like ten
minutes is based on these, guys but nothing obviously everything else,

(06:32):
behind everything else leading up to it is but also
not Really, Okay, Now Saturday, Night december, sixth nineteen forty,
One Second Lieutenant Kenneth taylor And George welsh of THE
Us Army Air corps went out In honolulu with a
mission lock, in get the wheels, greased and he use
a Little japanese influence to take off from the land

(06:53):
of sobriety and.

Speaker 3 (06:54):
Responsibility oh, yeah getting fucked.

Speaker 1 (06:57):
Up, honestly like the MOVIE i wanted to do with
the Movie Pearl harbor as a watch along for a
long time just because it's too long and it's too
bad it. Make but like every shot is just. Gorgeous
Michael bay And Michael. Bay Michael bay knows how to
make a shot at everything they go, to like every
party they go, to everything they. Do i'm just, Like
i'll be, HONEST i know the attack is, coming AND

(07:17):
i Think i'd still jump into that.

Speaker 3 (07:19):
World it looks really. Fun it's worth, It it's worth. It. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (07:21):
Yeah, see the two young men were Crushing tokyo high
balls and mixing it, up taking a full swing at
The Officers Club christmas party on a rooftop bar and,
wakiki before ultimately parlaying that into an all night card.

Speaker 3 (07:35):
Game hell, yeah Tomorrow's. Sunday you got nothing else to? Do,
yeah you're, In you're, in y. Kiki that is the best.

Speaker 1 (07:44):
Spot it's not the best. Spot that is fucking, ingresstate
and it's a great. SPOT i think it used to be.
BETTER i think.

Speaker 2 (07:51):
There's a great bar there that is under the, radar great. Dive,
okay it's Called Sally. Wong's ooh, yeah that's up my,
alley all. RIGHT i love that it's off the beaten.

Speaker 3 (08:03):
Path yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:04):
Yeah and it was like the only bar In. WAKIKI
i don't even know If i'm saying. IT i sound
like a dumb. Ass that was open till two.

Speaker 3 (08:11):
Am they all closed that early on the. Island, no
just that, area.

Speaker 1 (08:16):
Okay LIKE i feel LIKE i keep EVERYONE i know
In hawaii and who are, like, yeah that's it's All japanese.

Speaker 3 (08:24):
Tourists it's a lot of. Tourists it's a lot of.

Speaker 1 (08:27):
Chains i've ONLY i only spent like three days on O,
wahu AND i like pretty much didn't leave the resort
BECAUSE i was there for a.

Speaker 3 (08:33):
WEDDING i Like.

Speaker 2 (08:34):
Chinatown chinatown's, Dope. OKAY i Like honolulu as a.

Speaker 3 (08:37):
WHOLE i mean we.

Speaker 2 (08:38):
Didn't Wauk ki's where we, stayed but for the most,
part we like ventured.

Speaker 3 (08:41):
Out yeah we. Didn't we just on A.

Speaker 1 (08:45):
Wahou we just stayed the resort because it was like three.
Days we were there for a, wedding so it was
like rehearsal dinner one, night wedding the, next and then
like we had a day and then We.

Speaker 2 (08:53):
My buddy lived on the island without a. Car he
just had a electric.

Speaker 3 (08:57):
BIKE i guess not that big of an is it's
not that? Big? Yeah do whatever.

Speaker 2 (09:02):
Now welsh was a twenty one year old From, Wilmington,
delaware and a mechanical engineer graduate and D u at
The university Of Purdue.

Speaker 3 (09:11):
Delta oops that Side.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Yep the fraternity without.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Secrets, yeah, yeah you're allowed to go to their. Initiation
apparently left ass.

Speaker 2 (09:19):
Back they definitely have stuff that's behind the. Paywall, yeah
do You they hazed balls At. Missou, yeah but that
bullshit where it's republic about all our traditions and it's.

Speaker 3 (09:34):
Just the biggest. Lot also both they're hiding and playing. Side.
Yeah most people are, like we don't, Care.

Speaker 2 (09:39):
Yeah we don't. What taylor was a twenty three year
Old university Of oklahoma pre wall dropout who stacked hundreds
of flight hours training in The CURTIS p FORTY B Tomahawk.
Fighter the two, friends by all, accounts got after, it enjoying, beverages,
cigars pursuing, tail and chasing the river in that poker

(09:59):
game Until taylor drove the two back and his brand
New buick around six thirty in the morning.

Speaker 1 (10:06):
Shit faced out of his. Mind, yep on tiny Little hawaiian.

Speaker 3 (10:10):
Roads.

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Yep at least it was daylight then the. Forties, yeah
roads are definitely not like no to. Go, No they're
not paved the way they. Are, dude there's. Roads AND
i didn't really drive around A wahu because we didn't
even bother to rent a car because We.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Oh that was the best. PART i rented a.

Speaker 1 (10:28):
Jeep, yeah but In, kawhi we rented a Fucking mustang
convertible and we're just driving around those roads like top.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Down top. Drop oh.

Speaker 1 (10:36):
Dude but the THING i was funny IS i was
driving this car and it was fucking. Sick BUT i was,
like all the roads were so, Tiny like in twenty,
NINETEEN i was, Like, GOD i feel Like i'm gonna
die every TIME i met get yourself.

Speaker 3 (10:47):
Off. Yeah, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Did a lot of the hikes WHEN i was there
with the pill, boxes so there's a bunch of like hiking,
trails yeah on the. Island and, yeah there were certain
spots though where you would get like a rest.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
It or fined if you went up those. Trails strategic. Points,
yeah tried to fly the. Drone that was a big.

Speaker 3 (11:06):
No.

Speaker 1 (11:07):
No, Yeah, no there's a bunch of military bases. There,
yeah it's still a very strategic. Location like it's not
especially since, seas like all of our enemies, ARE i,
Mean china's over.

Speaker 3 (11:20):
There So hawaii's hugely.

Speaker 1 (11:22):
Important and you'll go from, like you, know awesome downtown
to just a shanty within fifteen.

Speaker 3 (11:30):
Minutes oh, boy it's.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Very have and have not and all of those people
are getting so fucking priced.

Speaker 3 (11:36):
Out oh, yeah but.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
There's nowhere for them to, go, no because it's just more,
inland four little. Islands, yeah like it's fucking. Insane, ACTUALLY
i think they just launch them into the.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Volcanos.

Speaker 1 (11:48):
Yeah at that, Point I'VE i like fifty percent feel
bad For hawaiians BECAUSE i am, like that.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Sucks you're getting fucked, On LIKE.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I can understand why they have quote unquote hate for the. Whites,
yeah but at the same, time but also your, bills,
Bitch i'm, like.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Do you want to Be? Micronesia do you want to
be the Like Marshall? Islands?

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Fuck do you want to Be? Guam?

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Yeah we?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Own, like do you understand what the rest of the
shitty little islands in The pacific that are also, gorgeous
how they? Live you don't want? That, no you want,
McDonald's you.

Speaker 3 (12:21):
Do, Yeah just.

Speaker 2 (12:23):
As they laid their heads on their, pillows still in
a full mess dress and undoubtedly three sheets to the,
wind The japanese Attacked Pearl.

Speaker 3 (12:32):
Harbor what time do they? Attack? Like?

Speaker 1 (12:33):
SEVEN i believe they attacked at like seven fifty, okay
so they had an hour and twenty minutes.

Speaker 2 (12:40):
Ish and who's the same? MAN i mean they're stumbling
into their. Room, yeah they're still dressed like to the.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
Nines, yeah, drunk, drunk drunk as, fuck probably smoked like
two or three.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Cigars playing. Poker oh they are if you're playing for like, six,
seven eight. Hours i've done. Tournaments i've just sat in
the poker room for that. Long it is a.

Speaker 3 (13:02):
Grind just eats you, mentally, Truly, yeah just beats you.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
Down the way you feel right?

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Now yeah ten x okay sounds? Bad?

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Yeah and so they're shit, faced mentally, exhausted and probably
on like a pretty big nicotine crash as.

Speaker 2 (13:17):
Well two thirds of the planes at the main bases
Of hickham And Wheeler fields have been destroyed or damaged
so badly that they were unable to. Fly so without,
Orders taylor Called hileawa and told the ground crew to
prepare Their CURTIS p Forty tomahawks for. Takeoff welsh ran
to Get taylor's new, buick still wearing their tuxedo pants

(13:41):
from the night. Before the two pilots drove the eleven
miles to the, base reaching speeds of one hundred miles
an hour along the.

Speaker 3 (13:48):
Way hell, yeah in their. Car just it'd be.

Speaker 1 (13:51):
Funny it'd be pretty funny if they had. Died and
it's just like two casualties Of Pearl harbor were JUST i.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
Believe the buick also took some. Fire well it did
in the.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Movie you're gonna have to remind me what's true and
what's not true or what's based on these, guys BECAUSE
i do.

Speaker 2 (14:10):
Not remember the one TIME i Saw Pearl harbor WHEN
i was like.

Speaker 3 (14:13):
Ten, yeah so that this does.

Speaker 1 (14:14):
Happen they those in the, movie those air bases get,
destroyed and they get in somebody's. CAR i don't think
it was either of their. Cars they just like get
in a car and they book it to this smaller
airfield and as they're, driving like A japanese zero like
comes in behind him and starts just fucking letting it.

Speaker 2 (14:34):
Rip now at the, Airstrip welsh And taylor jumped into their,
planes which by that time had been fueled but not, Armed.

Speaker 3 (14:41):
So NO ammo, yet not.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yet they tract To japanese fire immediately after taking, off
facing virtually two hundred to three hundred enemy aircraft, alone.

Speaker 1 (14:51):
And they were probably just about the only ones in the.
Sky it's a surprise. Attack it's surprise, attack and they
damaged most of the. PLANES i was gonna, say, granted
Like i'm not sure what how much of the planes
that The japanese had in the sky were like straight up,
LIKE i think a lot of them were not necessarily
LIKE i, mean they were capable of air to air,
combat but they were not necessarily like that was not

(15:11):
their primary. Function the same way like, You i'm more
familiar With german, planes great admirer of that nation during that, time.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
And you have plenty of literature On.

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yeah, yeah so like there's a that rise from the
thirties to, forties, right and SO i think it stopped
collecting after.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
That was it just didn't get. Interesting it's just stopping, interesting.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
Gotcha, yeah the engineering just didn't really. Evolve, YEAH i
didn't like it as. MUCH i mean there's some stuff
From East germany THAT i thought was, fun but that
was More sylvie at.

Speaker 3 (15:41):
Though yeah, yeah, yeah but.

Speaker 1 (15:42):
No like so The, germans like their fighter plane was
The MESTERSCHMIDT uh ONE o NINE i, think and uh
they also had A stuka dive, bomber and The stuka
obviously also had guns on. It it could shoot at other,
planes but you would much rather go up against.

Speaker 3 (15:58):
A, stuka yeahs opposed to The emmy one oh.

Speaker 2 (16:01):
Nine but, Classic, right you're already underestimating A japanese.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
Vehicle yeah, yeah it's a real ship.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Box But i'm just, saying, like, MAN i Mean, toyota
you know they were building that gets it from point
out to point.

Speaker 2 (16:15):
B it really most reliable car In? America really Did
you're telling me these planes aren't essentially.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Cameras, uh, yeah they probably, are but their cameras built
for different, things you know WHAT i.

Speaker 3 (16:25):
Mean so a lot of the plane they're.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Expendable clearly they're, like, oh, well you, know our, pilots
they don't want to land these they weren't.

Speaker 1 (16:32):
Doing they weren't doing Kama kazi's, yet not in the
not in forty.

Speaker 3 (16:35):
One well they still Had.

Speaker 1 (16:38):
You don't just, start do they Still, yeah they still
had hope in forty. One so they were they. Weren't
they weren't at a crash or plane into dive.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
Bombers, dude you just lose. Control, YEAH i guess you
could turn into A.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
Kamakazi but, like, yeah my point is just like a
lot of these torpedo bombers and dive, bombers it's a
like air to air combat would be like not at
they can do, it but it's not something they want
to get. Into so maybe they had a little bit
of an advantage, there but it really doesn't matter if
there's twenty die bombers shooting at you and you're, like,
no it's, Fine i'm a fighter.

Speaker 2 (17:10):
Plane welsh his machine guns were, disconnected so he fired
his thirty caliber, guns destroying Two japanese plane on his first.
Run when they ran out of. Ammunition they returned To
wheeler to. Reload under the threat of friendly anti aircraft.
Fire they sought to refuel and load up with more
potent fifty caliber.

Speaker 3 (17:30):
The one what do they like shoot through the.

Speaker 2 (17:31):
Propeller when they, returned, however the ammunition was in a burning.
Hangar despite, this two mechanics ran into the inferno to
save what they could and they grabbed more.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
Ammunition unsung heroes running into a. Fire that could have
been your, grandpa could have.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Been he was a.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Mechanic he was In korea, Though, YEAH i, know but he.
WAS i guess he Was Air force by, then, right
because it wasn't The Air corps. Anymore he went in
The Air. Force, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
Yeah because he got drafted by The army after he
got drafted by The dodgers and was, Like i'll join
The Air. Force and he played. BASKETBALL i said it
was the greatest time of his.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Life he's just hanging.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
Out he just went from base to base and played.
Basketball that's what he.

Speaker 3 (18:13):
Said he's.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Like and then there's photos of him with a bunch
of Like asian. WOMEN i probably, have you, know several.
UNCLES i don't know.

Speaker 3 (18:20):
About, Him, yes.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
Like a whole just. Fans, yeah family Of. Japanese my
dad's allegedly a lone.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
Child no he's.

Speaker 1 (18:28):
Not you've seen you know granddad's fucking. Photos just just
cut playing.

Speaker 2 (18:35):
Basketball WHENEVER i had a conversation with. Him you, KNOW
i didn't have a great relationship with, them but he kept,
saying you, know the greatest time in my. Life just
really hammered that.

Speaker 3 (18:44):
Home. YEAH i don't think he was thinking about the.
BASKETBALL i don't think he.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
WAS i, mean don't get me. Wrong it's always night to.

Speaker 1 (18:49):
Who, yeah, yeah, yeah one hundred, percent just get, buckets,
yeah and then go out with the boys on the.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
Town maybe he fixed a plane once a. Week, YEAH i.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
CAN'T i believe people went up in planes that he sent.

Speaker 3 (19:01):
Up.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Uh if you're unfamiliar with my grandfather fixed planes In,
korea having no experience ever fixing.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
Planes they just gave him a, manual, right gave him the.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Manual he was the only dude working on that specific,
PLANE i guess on that base because the guy that
got him the job gave him the manual and then
just left it's yours. Now so he read with a
flashlight at night because he was too embarrassed to do
it during the day and fixed the. Planes god send
people up on. Those, yeah as a, hero he.

Speaker 3 (19:34):
Is he just fucked and fixed planes and played.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Basketball my other grandfather was a deep sea diver in.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
The navy's which is. Sick that's some hard.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Ass, yeah for the suit and. Everything fuck.

Speaker 1 (19:46):
THAT i could never hoop and Get koreans, pregnant no.
Problem but, yeah deep sea. Diving, yeah disarming you, know underwater.
Bombs fuck all of.

Speaker 3 (19:57):
THAT i didn't. LIKE i really didn't like scuba diving.

Speaker 2 (19:59):
In, essense just Like knight.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
Armor, yeah you're just in a fucking, spacesuit like disarming
a mine that's meant meant to blow up a. Bat
the only good thing about that is is, that like you,
know you'd just be liquefied, Immediately like there's no like.
Suffering that's what happened to the people that got crunched
when they were going down to The. Titanic oh, yeah

(20:21):
a millionaire and his homemade's Ub oh, yeah, Immediate well
you hope. Right you just hear like a burnt and they're,
like why was that his? Wife the guys looked, like
why was? That, yeah, huh it was.

Speaker 2 (20:35):
Immediate there's also another, story we're not going to get to.
It In Pearl, HARBOR i guess. Uh some of the
guys were stuck in a ship that was sinking but
had air for about sixteen.

Speaker 3 (20:47):
Days that was The ARIZONA i. Believe, yeah, yeah just
had an air. Pocket. Yep they were trying to get to, them.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
And they know that because they were marking off the.
Calendar they made it sixteen. Days, yeah and then then
not a great.

Speaker 1 (20:59):
End they couldn't get your grandpa there fast enough now
to like weld, underwater like cut through.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Underwater senior officials ordered the pilots to stay on the.
Ground the second wave Of japanese riders flew, in scattering the,
crowd And taylor And welsh took off again in the
midst of you, know being sworn by the. Enemy it's
just total.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
Chaos, yeah there are no orders at that. Point everyone
stay on the ground, whatever, Dude.

Speaker 2 (21:22):
So all, RIGHT i, Yeah i'd rather died doing my.

Speaker 3 (21:25):
Job. Yeah fuck.

Speaker 2 (21:26):
THIS A japanese rear gunner fired To TAILOR'S p forty
with one bullet coming within an inch of his head
and exploded in the. Cockpit one piece went through his
left arm and shrapnel entered his, leg but he managed
to shoot down at least Two japanese.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Planes all, right took took some fire. Back.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
THEN i Think welsh took down. Four so Confirmed, WELSH
i think got four. Planes tailor got.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Two, OKAY i THINK i just read today because there's
a lot Of pearl. HARVESHIP i think we shot down
maybe twenty. Nine it's like twenty, nine, yeah, total so
they got you got the number. Exact, YEAH i read it.
TODAY i hope you would retain that. INFORMATION i can't
BELIEVE i. DID i THINK i read. It you know
WHY i retained it because it WAS i think it
was on the same post or The japanese guy's face

(22:14):
melted off and that really that really stuck with.

Speaker 2 (22:17):
Me, Well Schin taylor were among only Five Air force
pilots who managed to get their planes off the ground
and engage in The japanese that. Morning Total american aircraft
craft losses At Pearl harbor were estimated at one hundred and.

Speaker 3 (22:30):
Eighty eight planes on the ground.

Speaker 2 (22:32):
Destroyed and one hundred and fifty nine more. Damaged but,
yeah on the. Ground, yeah still that.

Speaker 1 (22:38):
SUCKS i would love to look into their, reasoning even
aside from the fact that it just wasn't very well thought,
out but like it feels like.

Speaker 3 (22:48):
They could have Taken hawaii The.

Speaker 1 (22:51):
Japanese, yeah they could have just right there taken it with,
PROBABLY i don't think they could have.

Speaker 3 (23:01):
A wahu had to be the most heavily defended island for.

Speaker 1 (23:04):
Sure you say you're saying that it an island hopped
with the other ones Like, kawhi that would have taken
them a. Day there's like there's not a lot of
people on.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
How long would it take for them to Take zuckerberg's.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
ISLAND i think he's On, maui is? He? YEAH i think. So,
oh he actually might be On.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
KAUAI i thought he bought like one of the islands for. Himself,
no there's only like six or seven. ISLANDS i don't
know if that's.

Speaker 2 (23:27):
TRUE i think one of the, smaller.

Speaker 3 (23:29):
Like a teeny.

Speaker 1 (23:29):
One, YEAH i thought he had a compound on either
koir or Or. Maui but it's definitely not just six.
ISLANDS i think it's like there's a. BUNCH i don't
think you're counting a lot of like the Smaller Like i'm.

Speaker 3 (23:41):
Sure there's like little baby. Ones BUT i don't think
there's anything you can build shit.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
ON i could be, wrong doesn't. Matter the important thing
is my main point is there's one hundred and thirty seven. Islands,
okay so you're wildly. Wrong, yeah but you're talking about
some of them are like rocks sticking out of the.

Speaker 3 (23:56):
Ground out of.

Speaker 2 (23:57):
The seven are inhabited and six are open to. Visitors
the other ones get us to that seventh.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Island seven are inhabited and six are.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Accessible, yeah oh they.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Seventh it's right next To kawai and they were talking
about like, yeah like it's you're not allowed to go.
There the people that live there like don't have any.
Technology they just live like Ancient. Hawaiians, basically it's restricted
due to its past as a military bombing. Range, allegedly
they the people who were on the bot to were just, like,
yeah it's just like a weird amish. Situation oh that's.

Speaker 2 (24:30):
Uninhabited uh there's a privately owned with restricted access known
as The Forbidden, island which is a different.

Speaker 3 (24:36):
Island. YEAH i think that's the.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
One, okay it's AN I i h A u sure.

Speaker 3 (24:44):
Is it next To?

Speaker 1 (24:44):
KAWAI i saw it like we went by it just
looking at it like it's it was, creepy Honestly. Alcatraz
anytimes someone points at an island and it's, like you're
not allowed to go, That, like how FUCK i want
to go to? That what's on that? Island, yeah it
only makes you want to go, It it doesn't make
me want to go when an old maner is just, like,

(25:05):
yeah not a lot on that, Island no ONE'S i
have a bet of that, ISLAND a lot of shipwrecks
on That, yeah a lot of history on that.

Speaker 3 (25:15):
Island we.

Speaker 2 (25:16):
Have we talked about this. Though they stopped doing ferries
between islands In hawaii, though because it kept just speed bumping.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Whales oh, yeah that doesn't surprise. Me it kept so
now you can only get to island on a little puddle. Jumper,
Yeah i'm sure that's not.

Speaker 2 (25:32):
True is not.

Speaker 3 (25:33):
Great, YEAH i don't want to do.

Speaker 1 (25:34):
That that's how you go, Down that's exactly how you go,
down or even like a, Helicopter no, thanks a. Helicopter
never helicopters, never, never never. ONCE i would literally have
to be drafted into the military for you to get
me on a. Helicopter but, YEAH i think they cut
off ferry services because they were just smoking.

Speaker 3 (25:51):
Whales, god god damn.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
It just adding to the kill.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Count, yeah we just we, catch we catch whale bodies
without even.

Speaker 2 (26:01):
Trying dumb animal for such a smart.

Speaker 3 (26:03):
ANIMAL i think they're just too. Trusting they're too, sweet.

Speaker 2 (26:07):
Except the you know the, yeah the, orchids they figured things.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Out, yeah it's ONLY i think what's funny is is
THAT i think they're smart enough to, know, like, Man
i'd love to kill these, humans but if we, do.

Speaker 3 (26:19):
It's all out. War, yeah they're gonna come with EVERYTHING i.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Got that's why they only eat the rich right.

Speaker 1 (26:24):
Now they fuck with little super yachts because they know
we just laugh when that. HAPPENED i think, So, yeah
because we're cheering for.

Speaker 2 (26:31):
Him, yeah you know they take out a small business,
fishermen then we got. Issues, yeah it's like that guy
works hard for the.

Speaker 3 (26:39):
Money you know.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
That, guys you bankrupted that Man. Orca damn you a
piece of. SHIT i did actually see there is a
video of the Orc is going after some like tiny
Little inuit fishing.

Speaker 3 (26:50):
Boat it's just like ice. Everywhere these orca just pops out.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
And like aw their mortal. Enemy, yeah like fucking. Go
they've been going at it for, years.

Speaker 1 (27:00):
Centuries they just compete over. Seals do we eat the
seal or do we club?

Speaker 3 (27:04):
It and they don't like the. Clubbers they like they.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
They sound really unsettles the work, because, yeah the clubbing
of a, seal yeah they prefer eating it, alive doesn't bother.
Them but the sound of a, yeah ripping it in,
half it's.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
Fine Will Schon taylor received The Distinguished Service, cross becoming
the first to be awarded that In World War. Two
obviously they were in the first.

Speaker 3 (27:33):
Battle, yeah literally the first.

Speaker 1 (27:34):
Battle and one guy is one kill away from AN
ace after one.

Speaker 3 (27:39):
Battle it's pretty. Sweet five kills is an.

Speaker 1 (27:42):
Ace he gets four four, confirmed four confirmed air to,
air incredibly hungover to the point where he doesn't give a,
fuck or still drunk to the point where all inhibition is. Gone,
oh it's honestly probably the perfect.

Speaker 3 (27:56):
Situation you're, diving you're like flowing into like a, swarm
like a b swarm Of japanese plane.

Speaker 1 (28:04):
Because if you're sober and you're well, rested you're probably,
like it is a losing. Battle MAYBE i should get
in that. Foxhole MAYBE i just you, know bunker waited. Out,
yeah hunker, down.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
You're drunk and, angry especially if you just like.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Lost oh, dude if these guys lost money in that card, game.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Do you think they'd actually be more.

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Bold if they had lost their money or if they
had won and they were, Like i'm a, GOD i
can't lose.

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Today.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
Yeah AS i said, earlier you, Know i've gotten to
the point of desperation THAT i no longer.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Care yeah what, happens you just let it. Rip so
you think they lost their ass that?

Speaker 2 (28:41):
NIGHT i think.

Speaker 3 (28:42):
So and we're just LIKE i want to die, anyway.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
LIKE i had nothing to live. For.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Ye. Yeah in, fact the only way that this Local
hawaiian mob boss won't break my legs for the money
is IF i become a war hero who's too important, too.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Then he can't off.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
Me. Yeah, yeah Then i'm a staple on the. Island,
yeah never have to pay for a beer. Again they're,
like in, fact they didn't they weren't e gonna go
on in the second, run but they didn't think they
shot down enough.

Speaker 3 (29:05):
Planes they're, like we gotta go another.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Run walsh was nominated for The medal Of, honor but
was reportedly denied because his superiors maintained that he had
taken off without proper. Authorization what fucking. Dickheads, yeah, like
you gotta listen to the chain of.

Speaker 3 (29:22):
Command are you fucking kidding? Me this guy went up
there and just started letting it.

Speaker 1 (29:26):
RIP i Think Dory miller did get The medal Of honor, though,
Okay i'm not sure he got it right away because
of his, blackness BUT i think he did get The
medal Of.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
Honor at some point they're, like That's. Cuba, yeah That's,
cuba That's. Cuba Jory. Miller SOMEONE i think someone was
in the garden was just, like, yeah that was a pretty.

Speaker 5 (29:50):
Boy BUT i don't know if the First middle of
honor we could give out of the whole war to
a blackman might need to he it too a few whitman.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
First, Well welsh didn't get, it.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Insane there's also this weird uh misinformation About welsh that
he came from family, money uh The Welsh.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
Welsh's grape grape, juice grape juice. Company that's not, true
But bush it.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
Was it's, like oh this Same, welsh Same welsh, family
not the Same, okay that would be too good, actually
but like, man he even have to do, this he
already had fucking family. Money, yeah he didn't even have
to be in the. Army he just here did it
for love of. COUNTRY i mean there were people like
that Like GEORGE. H. W bush one hundred million percent

(30:44):
did not need to serve.

Speaker 3 (30:45):
On the front.

Speaker 1 (30:45):
Line Prince harry for The. English, YEAH i Mean bush
almost got. Eaten his dad was a. Senator he didn't.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Have to do.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
That he got shot, down, right he got shot, Down
and ever is a Pow.

Speaker 3 (30:57):
No so WHEN i was mccainn McCain In.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Noma but and McCain's dad was an admiral by the, way,
too he didn't have to.

Speaker 3 (31:03):
Be on the front.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Line But bush Hw bush got shot. Down he flew
like a small like. Bomber he lived such an insane life.

Speaker 3 (31:13):
Too hw.

Speaker 1 (31:16):
D won baseball Player, Yale, yeah, Yeah pitcher AND i
think first. BASE i think he. Played he might have
played against in The Ivy League Vin, scully WHO i
think played for a Different Ivy league school at the same.
Time and then, Yeah Cia World war two vet like

(31:37):
a combat Veteran World war.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
Two put Together Iran. Contra, Yeah Desert. Storm only one
term president THOUGH i.

Speaker 1 (31:46):
Think Ross perrow he would have Beaten clinton if it
wasn't For, Parrot like literally it wouldn't it would have been,
closed but he would have probably Beaten. Clinton, honestly How
bush doesn't get to.

Speaker 3 (31:56):
Flow he's a great.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
President for his, Injuries taylor received The Purple, heart which
we know in the military can not always be the.
BEST i feel, like, yeah other soldiers are, like, oh,
yeah you got an award for doing your job.

Speaker 3 (32:11):
Bad, yeah just stick at your. Job, yeah you know
WHAT i. DID i think it's a little easier to receive.
Though as a. Pilot oh, fuck maybe. NOT i don't.
Know you're just sitting duck kind of.

Speaker 2 (32:25):
And he got shrapnel in his, leg like his plane
didn't come.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
Down.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
YEAH i think as long as you don't lose the,
plane you're.

Speaker 1 (32:31):
Fine yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah unless you're INN b twenty,
four because it's basically impossible not to lose that. Plane
you're just like flying a kite over enemy. Territory, LIKE
i hope no one gets, Me they all get.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
You After Pearl, Harbor George welsh flew nearly three hundred
and fifty missions in The pacific theater During World War,
two shooting down twelve more planes and win in many
other decorations as you.

Speaker 1 (32:56):
Mentioned, YEAH i don't think that you get an award for.
THAT i think it's just like a congratulations you're an. Ace, Okay,
yeah you don't get like a little.

Speaker 3 (33:04):
PIN i don't. KNOW i ACTUALLY i don't know someone
someone forget like a helmet.

Speaker 1 (33:09):
Sticker well you kind of, do uh for every plane
that you do get that they would put the things
on their on their, planes like a Little japanese flag
Or nazi flag on the plane for every, kill which
actually but like it depends where you went to school,
to like if you went To Ohio state gets a
little buck, Nutt.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
Yeah they. Would they would give themselves plane stickers for
every kill.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
Though, actually my favorite thing that happened On instagram this
year was one of Those Bama rush girls who's like
really famous.

Speaker 3 (33:37):
From it did like a.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Photo in front of A World war two fighter plane
BECAUSE i think their theme was like something with planes.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
And, anyway something as simple as. That, yeah it was
just like take off with us.

Speaker 1 (33:51):
Whatever but, anyway the, plane it was An american fighter.
Plane at the plane had like thirty swastikas on, it
but they were, killed and idiots On instagram were, like oh,
good it's A nazi. Plane Why and she had to be, like,

(34:12):
idiots this is like celebrating killing, them literally like fuck
you you.

Speaker 2 (34:17):
Want us to Punch nazis Killing nazis?

Speaker 1 (34:19):
Here?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
Yeah you fucking dumb ass.

Speaker 1 (34:21):
Motherfucker people get confused really. Easy it's, easy very easy
to get get. CONFUSED i DMed. HER i was, like,
hey if you need to talk about.

Speaker 3 (34:30):
It, yeah, yeah you had some. Time. YEAH i was,
like if you ever GONNA i do your, podcast you
want to talk about?

Speaker 1 (34:36):
It, Yeah i'm just like raising a couple of. Kids,
yeah they're up at weird. Hours, yeah there's nothing ON. Tv,
yeah so if you ever want to just, talk maybe
like FaceTime OR i could fly out there like.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
Whatever it's gotta be tough for.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
You, yeah bamma.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
Rush. Yeah she she didn't. Respond she left you On,
red left me On. Red.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
Damn maybe you don't have it.

Speaker 3 (35:00):
Anymore the rizz is. Gone rizzless, yeah absolutely.

Speaker 1 (35:05):
Riskless about with malaria in nineteen forty three put an
end To welsh's wartime, career landing him in a hospital In, Sydney,
australia where he met his, wife.

Speaker 3 (35:18):
An ausie or An american. NURSE i don't.

Speaker 2 (35:21):
Know, yeah probably ausy.

Speaker 3 (35:23):
Dude good for.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Him that's gotta suck to be, like you get deployed To,
australia well not really, deployed but you go To australia
where it's just Like Bang city at that, point and
that they think it's.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
The end of the.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
World surely it doesn't make any sense to. Me why
everyone's hot guy a. Gal everyone's just beefy and jacked
tat it. Up they don't really do much.

Speaker 2 (35:44):
Though it's kind of like career wise nowise.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
They just hang out there's, Hot, yeah that's their. Career
they just work a little, bit spend all day on the.
Beach it's almost like it's the same way everyone In
arizona is. Attractive it's just so hot there that it
just like makes them you see more.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Skin, yeah but you're on the water at least In.

Speaker 3 (36:04):
Sydney. Yeah Southern, california same.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
THING a lot of uggos In Southern, california Don't you
can take la out of. It San diego some of
the best golf courses in the world In. AUSTRALIA i
buy that.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Completely the Sand.

Speaker 2 (36:18):
BELT i JUST i don't get. IT i don't know
what anyone does In.

Speaker 3 (36:21):
Australia they just, live they, Do they just.

Speaker 1 (36:24):
Live this is our problem as you to circle back
to being the. Show all of these people that live
in countries where like it doesn't really matter what their country.
Does they grow up not thinking knowing it doesn't matter
what they. Do but how CAN i bring value to the?
SHAREHOLDERS i ask that every. Day it's the first THING
i Ask god WHEN i wake up with.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Them you don't even work for a company with.

Speaker 1 (36:44):
Shareholders, yeah BUT i still want to bring value to
all shareholders in.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
General, Yeah, yeah me.

Speaker 3 (36:50):
Too i'm A christian, capitalist.

Speaker 1 (36:52):
So WHENEVER i see a stock go, DOWN i immediately
go buy that.

Speaker 3 (36:55):
Product you have. To you have to help. Them it's
for the good of the. Economy it's that should be
a charitable right off to be.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Honest after the, War welsh became a test pilot For
North american. Aviation according to some claims his, own he
became the first pilot to break the mock one barrier
with an unauthorized flight over The California desert in nineteen forty,
seven several weeks Before Chuck yeger's famous flight.

Speaker 1 (37:21):
Is mock one's. SOUND i guess, yeah Because yeager broke
the sound. Barrier, yeah, okay what a. Liar you, know
it just wasn't on the.

Speaker 3 (37:31):
BOOKS i did it and didn't. Count.

Speaker 1 (37:33):
Yeah it's like you run a forty, uh just preparing
for the forty right, RIGHT i did. It you're, like,
god damn, it LOOK i ran a four. Two but
then you get nervous on the actual actual run real.
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You, Sadly welsh meets a poor ending in nineteen fifty
four while ejecting from a DISINTEGRATING f one Hundred Super
saber fighter jet during a flight. Test he would be
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Speaker 1 (41:53):
Behind so it was a test. Plane the wife or the.
Wife the plane was just like breaking, up he tried to,
eject essentially like this first scene In Top gun. Two,
yeah Where Tom cruise bails out in space or. Something
it was, sweet though the movie like truly. SUCKED i
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Speaker 2 (42:24):
That i'm not a big eighties. Movies, Guy i'm not.
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NOT i don't look back with a ton of fondness
on that that decades. Film i'm not gonna Say Top
gun two was a good, movie BUT i enjoyed.

Speaker 3 (42:36):
It.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
YEAH i think it did its. Job saved the theaters. Apparently, yeah,
Okay spielberg said it, himself.

Speaker 3 (42:43):
Saved movie, theaters Told Tom cruise to his.

Speaker 1 (42:46):
Face i'll just say, this anyone who like loves eighties,
movies like just go go to the, nineties which is.

Speaker 2 (42:52):
The nineties kicks the.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Eighties oh it fucking buries.

Speaker 1 (42:55):
It it is the greatest decade of movies ever. Made
it's not just the greatest decade. Ever, yeah it's not even.
Close like we'll GIVE i. Don't there's not another. Decade
the only other one that could even have a prayer
is probably the, seventies and it ain't. Winning Ken taylor
headed to The South pacific After Pearl, harbor where he
flew out Of guadalcanal and was credited with down in

(43:15):
Another japanese, aircraft but his combat career was cut short
after someone fell on top of him in a trench
during air raid on, base breaking his.

Speaker 3 (43:26):
Leg you've just done. It broke his, leg so dunvery.

Speaker 1 (43:31):
Time you know what recovery time alone.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
Just cooked after. THAT i, MEAN i know it's the.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Forties it's it's you, know it's not now where it's,
like oh he broke his. Leg he won't be back
till week. Eleven maybe it was, bad.

Speaker 2 (43:44):
DUDE i was in a fucking e least soft cast
and WHEN i was sixteen for my tip fib for
like a.

Speaker 3 (43:51):
Year yeah it was. Bad, yeah well your your leg
shot out of your leg both.

Speaker 2 (43:57):
Ways.

Speaker 3 (43:58):
Yeah but maybe he did the. Same maybe maybe he
Had kevin.

Speaker 2 (44:01):
Ware maybe by the time he was done all his
physical therapy and ready to go up in the sky
as the war was.

Speaker 1 (44:05):
OVER i guess, Yeah he's, like, OH i gotta do MY.
Pt that was the big thing In Banner brothers is,
uh you would be kind of you were kind of.

Speaker 3 (44:14):
Like a bitch to them a little bit.

Speaker 1 (44:16):
If you didn't as soon as you were able to
essentially escape from the hospital to get back to the front.

Speaker 3 (44:24):
Lines, yeah it makes. Sense and there was one Episode
Are You hurt Or You?

Speaker 2 (44:28):
Injured?

Speaker 1 (44:28):
Right the one, episode episode eight where a guy comes
back after completing his physical therapy basically like he got
shot and they're, like, well you didn't try to leave.
Early and he's, like WELL i have my physical therapy
and stuff and they're, like, yeah, sure, whatever.

Speaker 3 (44:42):
Asshole they're like just like fuck, you.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
Dude in addition to The Distinguished Service, Cross taylor was
awarded The legion Of, merit The Air, medal and other.
Decorations in his post military, career he worked as an
insurance Underwriters.

Speaker 3 (45:00):
Underwhelming.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Yeah you, know it goes from being a general a
badass to a you, know he's bright and insurance.

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Co, yeah, like what what what are you? Doing?

Speaker 1 (45:10):
Dude also just retire at that. Point, yeah it's a
little lecture.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
INCOME i, guess, YEAH i suppose you got that pension
coming in and he's just, like let me double.

Speaker 3 (45:17):
Up, YEAH i. GUESS i. Guess.

Speaker 2 (45:19):
So taylor served as a technical advisor for the nineteen
seventy Film Torah, Torah, Torah.

Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah, yeah which was the Og Pearl.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Harbor there's ALSO i don't know what the name of
the movie, is but there's another. One it's really, weird
AND i think it's in the. Eighties it's Like Martin,
sheen maybe like a Nineteen it's it's almost like a
it might be like a top gun, ripoff where like
a nineteen eighties or late SEVENTIES us aircraft carrier with
like proper jets and shit on, it like high tech military.

(45:50):
Shit somehow like travels through a wormhole back to nineteen forty,
one right Before Pearl, harbor and they're, LIKE i remember
there's like a scene on the ship where it's it's, like,
well we can't, interfere like we're not from this.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Time we have to let the past play. Out and
like some other guy was, like.

Speaker 2 (46:07):
Yeah you can't step on a crack kill a. Butterfly.

Speaker 3 (46:10):
Yeah some other guy was, LIKE i swore to Defend
america at any, time past president or, future and those
jets go, up those jets go. Up anything, happened they
fucked The japanese. UP i think it was not a good.
MOVIE i didn't finish it.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
With the ramifications though what.

Speaker 3 (46:26):
HAPPENED i don't. KNOW i need to look. BAD i
need to actually just Like wikipedia the plot of, that
because it's.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Absurd, now the two thousand and one film that we,
Mentioned Pearl, harbor featured a sequence in which the character
is portrayed By Ben affleck And Josh hartnett took to
the skies to fight The. Japanese this sequence is understood
to be a fill in For taylor In welsh's, roles
but the characters do not bear any other similarities To
taylor Or.

Speaker 1 (46:49):
Welsh only the only other similarity would be really that
they got shitfaced to night.

Speaker 2 (46:55):
Before Unlike Tora, Tora, Tora taylor was not consulted for
The Pearl harbor film and later called the movie a
piece of, trash said it was over sensationalized and. Distorted.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Yeah, probably except here's the thing, though that movie mostly,
sucks but the combat scenes like genuinely, great high quality
shit worth a.

Speaker 2 (47:22):
WATCH i just don't know IF i want to watch
four hours of this movie.

Speaker 3 (47:25):
Again you can just here's what you. Do you just
fast forward.

Speaker 2 (47:28):
To the scenes. TOO i can just watch it on YouTube, then.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yes just YouTube. It The battle Of britain stuff With
Ben affleck when he goes serves in The Royal Air,
force and then The Pearl harbor attack and then the
doo little bombing is also really.

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Good after contracting an illness from a hip surgery two years,
Prior taylor died On november twenty, fifth two thousand and,
six of a strangulated hernia at an assisted living residence In, Tucson. Arizona,
no but, yeah he was like eighty, SIX i. Think,
yeah great place For he was cremated and later buried

(48:03):
at The Arlington National cemetery In june two thousand and,
seven next week military. Honors, HOPEFULLY i didn't.

Speaker 3 (48:11):
Look. Yeah they should be.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
Together they should that's his, Boy, yeah tied together. Forever,
yeah but you, know there's like a fifty year. Difference
i'm sure they filled. In the plot's probably.

Speaker 3 (48:23):
Gone how do they have any graves? Left?

Speaker 2 (48:26):
Yeah do they build?

Speaker 1 (48:27):
Up feels high, rise feels full because they started in
The Civil. War, yeah just where do they expand do
you just.

Speaker 3 (48:35):
Were they buying real estate In, WASHINGTON dc and Northern.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Virginia where are they burying the?

Speaker 3 (48:40):
Bodies? Yeah do they just swap them? Out you just
lease it for fifty.

Speaker 2 (48:45):
Years after one hundred, years your whole body disintegrates and
you just get wiped.

Speaker 3 (48:49):
Out, yeah and they put it in a new marker and.

Speaker 2 (48:53):
Maybe it's.

Speaker 3 (48:54):
Fine they send in the pigs go. Munch, yeah like
eath these dust de. Bones do you ever get.

Speaker 1 (49:02):
Like revoked out Of Arlington National? CEMETERY i don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:04):
If that's ever. Happened that's a great. QUESTION i don't
know if that's ever. Happened thirty, years like you just
find out.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
Actually he, sucks gag him. Up, yeah you get canceled
that him.

Speaker 2 (49:13):
UP i don't see why. Not there's probably some scumbags In, arlington.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
CERTAINLY i do know there's a grave In Arlington National
cemetery that's like like extra built around because the guy
like died in a nuclear accident and he's like hyper
radiated sweet and so there's just like lead and concrete
like just they still buried him, there but they just
had to like make it an impenetrable.

Speaker 3 (49:40):
Tomb he's just a.

Speaker 1 (49:41):
Ghoul he, literally he's just Yeah Walton goggins In. Fallout,
yeah he's still alive in, there probably in, fact just.
Waiting and that is the story Of Second Lieutenant Kenneth
taylor And George welsh of THE Us Army Air.

Speaker 3 (49:59):
Corps here two of the biggest heroes Of Pearl.

Speaker 1 (50:02):
Harbor, yeah got, bodies got, Planes.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
Yeah hit.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Them And Dorry miller kind of kind of the guys
because how many Jet we didn't kill that Many japanese
people At Pearl, Harbor, LIKE i don't think.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
So So i'm just like rattling my. Brain he was
on the guns on the boat shooting down anti.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
Aircraft, yeah, okay he was on like a fifty caliber
or maybe even bigger like anti aircraft gun on his.
BATTLESHIP i, think uh. Yeah and, he by the, way
he was a, cook not trained to do that at, all.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
But you, know had his moment yeah stepped.

Speaker 3 (50:41):
Up, yeah like he in no way knew how to
use that weapon.

Speaker 2 (50:44):
The next man up.

Speaker 1 (50:45):
Mentality, yeah So i'm sure maybe wasn't, trained just was
like FUCKING i got, this yeah pretty. Much AND i
was gonna, say, like, oh, well maybe everyone got trained
on everything a little, bit BUT i just don't think
in nineteen forty one they even bothered to let The
Black cooks shoot a.

Speaker 3 (50:59):
Gun not, yeah maybe just washed it enough it's, like oh,
YEAH i just pull this lever and you're. Good.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
YEAH i mean it was pretty much like point and,
CLICK i guess at that point click, Click but it's
still hard to shoot down a. Plane, yeah they were
low flying, though they were like in between the battleship.

Speaker 2 (51:15):
Roads well that's our episode for, today boys and. Girls
thank you for tuning, In. Rob what did you learn? Today?

Speaker 3 (51:24):
Uh most of this.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
STUFF i didn't really know anything about, them except LIKE
i knew they existed AND i knew they did, this
BUT i didn't know anything leading. UP i didn't know
what their story was the night, before ALTHOUGH i was
certain it was somewhat similar to the.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
MOVIE I Have Come Full. CIRCLE i would choose that
than be in stone cold.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
Sober. YEAH i also don't think that.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
The adrenaline's got to be going so high that it
just cuts everything out. Anyway, Yeah, like because even this
morning WHEN i was very, hungover who needs? Cocaine, no
just have a Fucking japanese man shoot.

Speaker 3 (52:00):
Attacking, yeah it's like a cato, essentially just pop it.

Speaker 2 (52:03):
Out that's actually WHY i don't have money. NOW i
hired A japanese full time to keep me on my.

Speaker 1 (52:08):
Toes, okay how's it. Going he's constantly attacking me every other?

Speaker 3 (52:11):
Day is keeping you?

Speaker 1 (52:12):
Sharp it's like a spy or spy, situation, right it's
keeping you. Sharp, yeah, okay, good like a katana blad
that's doing his.

Speaker 3 (52:19):
Job.

Speaker 1 (52:20):
YEAH i learned most of this. Stuff, HONESTLY i didn't
know That Chuck yeager Stole.

Speaker 3 (52:27):
Valor, Yeah welsh is a war. Hero you're gonna say
he's a goddamn.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Liar uh.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
UH i Think Chuck yeager might be a war hero,
too but.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
Probably they're all warriors back. THEN i think every pilot
was a war hero until like the.

Speaker 3 (52:42):
Seventies it's just.

Speaker 1 (52:43):
Weird LIKE i just like think about like going to
church as a, child and it's, like, OH i think
there's at least forty people in this church right now
who have killed.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
People who's today's? Hitler?

Speaker 1 (52:56):
UH i want to Say i'll nominate it the superiors
that did not allow our boy to get his medal of.

Speaker 3 (53:07):
Honor, Yeah i'm gonna go with that. Too one that's
fucking shitty just because he went against like their.

Speaker 1 (53:15):
AUTHORIZATION i, Mean i'm sure it was some political bullshit
like we can't we don't want to encourage people to
like not follow, orders like makes it seem like it's
a good, idea that's, true but also like when something
like that, happens, yeah you kind of gotta take action
because THERE i actually did see a little while back
on YouTube or something a plane u psa for like,

(53:36):
military like a training video In World War two for military,
guys and it was essentially like a. Plane it was
for bomber, pilots and like a plane was going down
a little, bit not like, crashing but like had to
stray off from the pack because like avenge in.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Trouble and that makes it.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Super exposed because the whole reason they flew in formations
was to have good like fire to keep the fighters.
Away and some other pilot was, like we gotta go help,
them and then another guy was like to day in,
Formation day in. Formation and then the guy comes out
and he's, like you, see you may think it's the
heroic thing to do to go and save your. Buddies
but the truth, is if formation is, broken everyone.

Speaker 3 (54:12):
Dies AND i think.

Speaker 1 (54:14):
Same people have made the videos of hiding under Desk,
yeah exactly to protect yourself from a nuclear.

Speaker 3 (54:20):
Bomb.

Speaker 1 (54:20):
Yeah but so they're, like we can't encourage people to
like be a hero and not follow. Orders like they'll
do it, anyway but if if we like openly encourage,
it it's gonna be a.

Speaker 3 (54:28):
Mess It's Pearl.

Speaker 2 (54:29):
Harbor so they don't live in.

Speaker 1 (54:32):
Infamy THEY i don't live IN i WISH i could
do AN fdr, voice but nobody cares. Though now here's
Why Pearl harbor. Doesn't it didn't get remembered as much
we resolved. It, yeah there's been no resolution to there's
no revolution resolution to like The kennedy, assassination those being

(54:54):
the other two like major events of our. Parents less
there was a resolution TO uh nine to eleven and
involved us leaving like billions of dollars of equipment In
afghanistan and. Dogs, yeah we left cage dogs In. Afghanistan
oh they're free now in. Heaven, yeah god damn.

Speaker 2 (55:12):
It.

Speaker 3 (55:16):
Yeah it was a bit. Messier yeah, yeah but they're
like like that's. Clean, Yeah, oh we sanitized that's how
clean that. Was, Yeah Like Pearl harbor doesn't stick because it's,
like oh, yeah that was. Crazy but then we very
cleanly took care of, everything, yep and made the world
a better. Place.

Speaker 1 (55:37):
YEAH i mean If Imperial japan was still, around not
a better who knows what's? Happening like literally an evil,
empire literally an evil.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Empire, yeah go listen to the episodes about what they.

Speaker 3 (55:50):
Did In, manila The siege Of, Manila.

Speaker 2 (55:52):
Manila And King we've covered.

Speaker 3 (55:55):
This, yeah it's.

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Stuff Including, yeah we just did an episode On death By,
lightning which is a fantastic show On.

Speaker 2 (56:23):
Netflix, Boy netflix is uh getting a little too. Big
that's for another.

Speaker 3 (56:31):
Time just welcome.

Speaker 2 (56:32):
It i'm not gonna welcome.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
It just just lay back like a like A japanese
guy At. Hiroshima just be, like, Well i'm gonna be
the business man that survived both. Nukes, Yeah i'm gonna
be a little cockle. Roach that's a fun. Debate it's
like luckiest or unluckiest man in the. World it's up to.

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You it's really. Perspective it is really it's from where you're.
Standing with each additional child that you, have do you
get added. Perspective it's like a you level. Up do
you see the bar in your? Corner just go, sure
sure perspective. Perspective, yeah it's less at the beginning, though

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because now it's just, like, oh another. Baby i'll get
more perspective when they become fully three individual human, beings
which right now they're just total. Sponges, YEAH i, mean
no idea what's going to. Happen rory is like a
full human being at this, point And finn is very,
close but the baby's just a happy little.

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