The Amelia Earhart Files

Pioneering female aviator Amelia Earhart disappeared forever on July 2nd, 1937. It has never been determined what happened to Earhart and her navigator, Fred Noonan. Now, the Trump Administration has promised to release all the files the U.S. Government has on Earhart. In light of this, we break down her (surprisingly incompetent) final flight and the many theories that abound about her fate. 

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We've done a lot of serio. I don't even know this.
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If I pulled that off in like ninety four or
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if I was alive at the point I was. I
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Not a national news story. Horrible local news story though,
But no, today we're talking about humongous history news coming
out of the White House. I meansh stuff that is
gonna alter the course of everything.

Speaker 1 (06:28):
The ryder cup.

Speaker 3 (06:29):
Trump has finally decided to release the files.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
He wore golf shoes this weekend to the course, like
he was gonna play full kit wanker. Not a full
kit whanker, but it is.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
Was he wearing a golf polo and golf pants as well?

Speaker 1 (06:45):
I don't think he was wearing a polo. I forget.
Maybe it was like a pullover. I actually never pay
attention to what Trump wears usually. Was he dressed to golf? No,
just golf shoes, Okay, so he just wanted some grip. Yeah,
he's getting steps in. You can't wear uh like dress
shoes on the course.

Speaker 3 (07:04):
You're gonna eat shit.

Speaker 1 (07:06):
No, but you wear sneakers.

Speaker 2 (07:08):
I don't think he's he doesn't want to wear sneakers.
It's not presidential.

Speaker 1 (07:10):
Does Trump own a pair of sneakers?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
I can't imagine, like a new balance, what does he
go with? I mean, if anything, Dad Nubes, I would imagine.

Speaker 1 (07:18):
Maybe Jordan's, Like if he rocks a pair of Jordan's.
Michael was there too.

Speaker 3 (07:22):
I'll tell you what have you ever you have Jordan's right?
Have you spent a whole day walking around in Jordan's?

Speaker 1 (07:28):
They're not comfortable? I can't believe he played basketball most No,
I wore especially the Jordan once.

Speaker 2 (07:33):
I wore Jordans to the Cotton Bowl two years ago,
and my feet felt like they had been just beaten
with baseball bats by.

Speaker 1 (07:41):
The end of the day.

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Like it was horrible.

Speaker 1 (07:43):
Yeah, and he played games in those Yeah, that was
fucking insane. He probably would have been much better if
he had a more comfortable sneaker. How many Tiger Tiger
had to use the terrible Nike gear. Give him like
ten more majors if he had titleist?

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I mean, how rings did did Jordan win with the
Jordan one's zero zero?

Speaker 1 (08:05):
I think?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Don't fact check me on that.

Speaker 1 (08:08):
I imagine because it was years into his career that
he won a championship. Yeah, they had moved on to
Jordan four.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah at that point.

Speaker 2 (08:18):
So they're just those stylish you know, they look great,
especially with the pair Khakis.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
Man, they look good. You fucking Jim Harball.

Speaker 2 (08:26):
Yep, yep, loock me. Yeah, of course. So Trump is
releasing the files, the files about a person whose last
name starts with E.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
I know who it is.

Speaker 2 (08:43):
We are finally going to learn the truth about Amelia Earhart.
He's releasing everything the government knows about the disappearance of
Amelia Earhart.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Yeah, she crashed, ended up on a remote island, and
then she got eaten by crabs. We don't well, we
don't know. And here's the thing, not just any crabs,
the crab people. Crab people. They came out of the caves.

Speaker 3 (09:13):
And here's the thing. They don't know either, No, no
one knows.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
These files have nothing in them that will reveal what
happened to Amelia Earhart. It has been thoroughly looked into.

Speaker 1 (09:24):
She was shot down by Israel before Israel existed.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
Yeah yeah, yeah, ten hot ten years before Israel came
to be.

Speaker 1 (09:32):
She was going to prevent it somehow.

Speaker 2 (09:34):
How they don't know how, but somehow. So finally our
nation will have answers about how the woman who tried
to fly a tiny propeller plane around the world died.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
A woman driving.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Yeah, let's just get those out of the way that
would kill it.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
In Austin stand up set, dude, Gabby does five minutes
on her pussy, We come out, dude.

Speaker 1 (09:55):
You know what, crudo, A little bit, a little bit
of the through the flood sounds like you're picking Mark
Marin's side. We've already distanced ourselves from Austin Comics, I,
but we also want to distance ourselves from Mark Marrin.
That guy sucks.

Speaker 3 (10:14):
I've been on this show.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I've said on the show several times that I thought
another person who does this, I thought that Anthony jessel
Nick is a pompous douchebag. The way he talks about.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Yeah, anybody that talks about stand up comedians talking comedy
on podcasts, rivet and stuff, cal amazing. It's the best.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
We're finally gonna learn how this lady died. Maybe next
we can get the Royaliday files, find.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
Out how he died. How dare you? How dare you.

Speaker 3 (10:44):
Had to do it?

Speaker 1 (10:47):
Do a Corey Litel joke? No, it doesn't hit with you.

Speaker 2 (10:51):
He was a Philly Yeah, I don't think you feel
I don't think you like him the same that you.

Speaker 1 (10:54):
Like Roy Helle and I really have no connection to
Corey Littel. Yeah, but he did. It was like pretty
close to nine to eleven. He crashed a plane in
New York. They'd be like, oh my god, no Paris attack.
No it was a Yankees pitcher.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Yeah, just an idiot with a bad hobby.

Speaker 1 (11:10):
You know there is a golfer now that does fly planes.
Two tournaments, Matt McNeely. Yeah, he's gonna die, that's concerning.

Speaker 3 (11:17):
Yeah, he's gonna die. No, he's gonna die.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
It was a huge thing with Ben Roethlisberger riding a motorcycle.
But if you're pro athlete, at least, he's an independent contract. Right,
If you're on a team sport and you fly planes,
you don't, I'm getting out of that contract.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Allow it. Here's every contract. Is you drive a Volvo?

Speaker 1 (11:40):
You have a driver?

Speaker 3 (11:41):
Yeah, honestly, good Lord.

Speaker 1 (11:43):
Toyota driving the most reliable car in America anytime.

Speaker 2 (11:48):
Like if you say, what was the wide receiver? Who's
the dude who barbecued that lady and her dog of.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
A kid from Bama.

Speaker 2 (11:54):
Yeah, I've played for the Vegas Raiders for zero seconds. Yeah, no,
you you They just have a year of the whole
day in rookie like training. That's for like before the
league starts, where you're just like Uber, how to use it.
Here's how much money you make, Here's how much Uber costs.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
I think it's the thrill, yeah, of drinking and driving,
At least for John Jones and Uh, I mean there's
so many Leonard little Wall.

Speaker 2 (12:27):
You guys had a guy Donte Stalworth.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Stal Warth wasn't on the team yet. I think it
was on the Patriots when he did that. Okay for
his post career, but yeah he Uh there's a lot
of athletes slash coaches that have killed pedestrians and cars.
Mm hmm.

Speaker 3 (12:42):
Beheim, we talked about Beheim.

Speaker 1 (12:44):
I think he hit an immigrant that was not Stalworth.
I forget.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Uh, Beaheim definitely hit a Latino. I do not know
their citizenships that they came to the country.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
No, but somebody hit like a legal immigrant running across
like a six lane highway. It wasn't really their fault.

Speaker 2 (13:04):
That was Beheim. Okay, yeah, yeah, he's running across an
interstate like at night.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
Not on Beehim.

Speaker 3 (13:10):
No, it's not on Beheim at all.

Speaker 1 (13:13):
But he does have to live with that the rest
of his life.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Well, thankfully he did it near the end, so I
guess not a lot of time to be guilty.

Speaker 1 (13:21):
Dude, he's still thriving. I guess. I'm sure he's in retirement.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (13:25):
Got the coach's son, buddy. Yeah, where do you think
Buddy's at? I assumed he was at Syracuse. Yes, I'm saying,
where do you think he is? Now? Where's Buddy Beheim? No?

Speaker 3 (13:36):
I know, I thought he was still at Syracuse. Maybe
he's not.

Speaker 1 (13:38):
No, Buddy is like in Europe. Maybe he did the
Marshall Henderson. He's playing basketball in Iraq.

Speaker 3 (13:44):
Oh, I just thought he was coaching at this point already.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I gotta get a couple contracts over in Europe.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
Uh No, he's in the G League.

Speaker 1 (13:52):
There you go with the I would hate that.

Speaker 3 (13:54):
I would rather go to Turkey with the thunder.

Speaker 1 (13:58):
Give up on your dreams. People never getting called up
for that to be a Globe chrotter.

Speaker 3 (14:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
So, even though there's no good answer to how Amelia
Earhart died, we will run over the options because there
are some interesting theories about how she died. And this
is where maybe the Trump files get interesting. Her involvement
with the government.

Speaker 1 (14:22):
She was intelligence, that's a theory. Henry Ruggs was the
raider's receiver. By the way, thank you.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
We just talked about a month or two ago about.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
I know everybody at home was losing their minds. Yeah,
honking their horn in traffic, and we call somebody else
to die because they were so angry at us, not
knowing who Henry Ruggs was.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Yeah, they hit a lady and her dog.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
You know what I'm saying. They hit their horn. It
caused them to unintentionally beep at somebody in traffic. They
get pissed. They come out with a bat and hit
them with that. They hit them over the head with
the bat.

Speaker 2 (14:57):
Oh, they got road raged because of us. Yeah, yeah, sorry,
Sorry it took that.

Speaker 1 (15:01):
Long, but they're dead.

Speaker 3 (15:03):
They're dead now, so there's nothing. Now.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I've lost a listener, hopefully not a Patreon. We do.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
I do enjoy when someone's like that made me laugh
so hard while I was driving that I almost crashed,
because that's what I go for.

Speaker 1 (15:11):
Oh, people sometimes listen to us while they lift. That's insane.
Don't especially if you're benching.

Speaker 2 (15:17):
We're too funny, We're hilarious.

Speaker 1 (15:21):
We're gonna make you. Stefan Johnson, we'll go full sports
reference here. Okay, remember Stefan Johnson from USC dropped the
bar on his neck. I don't remember that. That's insane.
Three hundred and fifteen pounds just didn't die though. He's fine, fine,
strong neck. You gotta work that neck. When you're taking
headshots like that, you gotta have a strong neck. So oh,

(15:44):
by the way, they did intelligence like that. If you
remember from the Kennedy episode The Eldest Kennedy Joe Junr.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, that wasn't us though, I no zil he was
banging a spy though. Yeah, but we were doing that too.
Spy on spy, Yeah, absolutely, we're spine. So they're all
are interesting details about Earhart stuff. I'm just trying to
think she's the twenties, right, thirties, thirty and thirties.

Speaker 3 (16:06):
She crashed in thirty seven.

Speaker 1 (16:09):
Okay, FBI pops off with Dillinger, which is around the
same time. It's about a decade earlier. I don't know
when the CIA starts.

Speaker 2 (16:20):
That's after World War Two, but we have the OSS
and the FBI would be probably doing sort of intelligence
like that too. Tracking the was the FBI certainly was
at the time in the United States, like tracking Nazis
and communists and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
They were all over all of it. Okay, yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
They're kind of our internal intelligence agency, but we definitely
had overseas spies as well at that time.

Speaker 1 (16:45):
Yeah, I understand spies have been around since time. Yeah,
I get that. I'm just saying the intelligence agencies as
we know them, I guess like we're in the beginning
stages of their infancy or weren't around at all.

Speaker 3 (17:00):
Yeah, So the SEE I wasn't around.

Speaker 2 (17:01):
I think it's its predecessor, the OSS.

Speaker 1 (17:04):
I think it's called the OSS was around.

Speaker 2 (17:06):
Okay, so not as organized though as the CIA obviously
so a little bit about Earhart's final flight, which was
what kind of what makes these file releases even funnier.

Speaker 3 (17:18):
It was a fucking clown show.

Speaker 1 (17:20):
How was it to clown show?

Speaker 2 (17:23):
They didn't know how half of their equipment worked.

Speaker 1 (17:25):
We just figured out how to fly. Not that long ago.

Speaker 2 (17:28):
I mean we're going on thirty years at that point,
and people had already circumnavigated the globe via plane, just
not a woman. She would have been the first woman
to do it. Other people had done it, though other
guys had done it.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Though Charles Limberg did he do the world.

Speaker 2 (17:42):
I know he did the Atlantic. He was the first
transatlantic flight.

Speaker 1 (17:45):
Yeah, but I imagine he probably upped the ante. I
would have to look into it, or it was probably
some random French dude. It was probably Yeah, probably somebody
never heard of. But it's ours.

Speaker 3 (17:55):
It's ours.

Speaker 1 (17:57):
Yeah, even though that might not be true, it's true
in our eyes.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Earhart had attempt before this didn't work, had to scrap it.
So they get going across the Pacific, and they had
just had a new communication system installed on the plane,
like a state of the art communication system that neither
her nor her co pilot, Fred Noonan knew how to use.

Speaker 1 (18:22):
Really, dude, Fred gets no love right first I've ever
heard of him.

Speaker 3 (18:27):
Yeah, she was not alone on that plane.

Speaker 1 (18:30):
How could you?

Speaker 2 (18:30):
She had a guy with her. They have they are
flying over the Pacific Ocean.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Makes me think that's how they start where they lovers.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
She was married, but you got to think.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
Maybe they got into a bit of an argument.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
She was like, oh, crash this plane.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
No women being dramatic.

Speaker 3 (18:50):
Bitches being bitches.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
They had no idea, they had no idea how to
communicate on it. They barely knew how to use it right.
And they were also part of the thing too with this.
When they're flying in the Pacific, they're getting directions from
the US Navy. Huge waste of tax paramney by the way,
So this is probably where some of the files come
in in terms of what we know, even though we
already know this shit. They were being guided by like

(19:15):
Coast Guard ships, Navy ships, stuff like that. But her
plane a locky Electra equipped with the advanced radio gear.
She didn't know how to contact the US Coast Guard
ship Itasca, which had an older radio on it with
the gear, so she she could communicate to them, but

(19:40):
she did not know how to tune her radio to
get them.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Back, just pop off a couple shots.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
So they were also another thing they were gonna do
because they were near the island. She was supposed to
arrive on.

Speaker 1 (19:50):
Going the speed of smell, just fire of flare.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
They were gonna smoke stack it because the ship was old.
They're gonna just like burn smoke to be like, island's
over here, here's the island. But it was a cloudy
day apparently, so the radio doesn't fucking work. They can't
navigate in anything less than perfect weather. Apparently they had

(20:14):
no and by the.

Speaker 1 (20:14):
Cloud slash fog. How many lives have they taken clouds
and fog?

Speaker 3 (20:21):
Yeah, probably a lot.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Mama mentality. Yeah, she's gonna fly through.

Speaker 2 (20:25):
It, gotta get there, that's kind of that's kind of
her mentality as well, so the coast guardship could hear
Erhart's voice transmissions, which were growing stronger as she approached them,
because they were sitting near the island she was supposed
to land and refuel at, but she was mismatching the
frequencies because she didn't know how to use the equipment
and couldn't hear what they were telling her in terms

(20:47):
of direction and shit like that. They could hear her,
and the coast guard guy who was operating the radio
was like, oh my fucking god, she can't hear us.
Like he was like, she's gonna crash.

Speaker 1 (20:55):
She can't hear us.

Speaker 3 (20:56):
She has no idea where she's going.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
How high is she not that point? Yeah, I was
gonna say we we weren't going something.

Speaker 2 (21:05):
Like forty thousand feet up, something like maybe ten thousand.
Should be able to see stuff, yeah, one would think,
but again clouds.

Speaker 1 (21:14):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:15):
She also her and Noonan, her navigator, didn't know terribly
well how to use the new plane's direction finding system.
So they just got in this new plane and we're like,
it'll be fine.

Speaker 1 (21:32):
It's like I've done this kind of before in some capacity.
You give me a new camera, like sure, it's maybe
it's not a sony, maybe it's not you know exactly
the model I have. But I'll figure it out eventually. Yeah,
sometimes I don't figure it out.

Speaker 2 (21:47):
To further make matters worse, like this is. It got
to the point with me reading this where I truly
wonder why Amelia Earhart is a hero.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
She died.

Speaker 2 (21:59):
I guess the ship, the Coast Guard ship that was
trying to help them.

Speaker 1 (22:03):
How far does she get? By the way, I.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Think she starts in la and she crashes in the
Pacific Ocean?

Speaker 1 (22:10):
Yeah, but how far does she get past Hawaii?

Speaker 3 (22:14):
For sure?

Speaker 1 (22:14):
That was Good's it. I don't know. It could be
like she took off from Wichita and she got to Omahon,
she's gone.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
Yeah, she was on one of the first legs.

Speaker 1 (22:27):
I know nothing about this, and I always, for some reason,
just assumed it was the Bermuda Triangle.

Speaker 2 (22:33):
No, No, she gets she gets in the Pacific, in
like the South Pacific, basically just where there's like nothing,
just some tiny little islands. So I guess the Navy
ship at one point was like, okay, let's try a
very tried and true method of communicating with them. That

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any idiot traveling will know, and so the Navy start
hitting with Morse code.

Speaker 1 (23:03):
Check it out. She doesn't know Morse because.

Speaker 2 (23:04):
She doesn't know Morse code. Her and Noonan don't know
Morse code. Who is this boob they gave her? This
guy's useless like it. It's to the point where it
sounds like they just decided to get in a plane.

Speaker 1 (23:21):
Had she flown a plane before? It's I want the
files might tell us. Now listen, they were really trying
to put a woman on a pedestal.

Speaker 2 (23:32):
It's insane that this person is a hero like this
is just self own after self owned horrible preparation.

Speaker 1 (23:44):
She had guts. I'll give her that, I guess, you know.

Speaker 2 (23:52):
Like I said, there was review reduced visibility that day,
so they couldn't see a lot. The Electra is ranged,
by the way, it was not a plane you would
call ideal for doing this either.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
They have to stop every like two hundred miles.

Speaker 2 (24:05):
It's not a big range plane.

Speaker 1 (24:10):
So and there's stretches of the Pacific where you would
need to stop, and there's no islands.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Right and they were making stops. They were trying to
you know, hop through the Pacific or whatever. But it
was it's such bad range that they had to be
exactly on course. Any any deviation and they're fucked.

Speaker 1 (24:31):
And they don't know how to use anything on the plane, right. Yeah,
I mean she was set up to fail, I think
by herself. I imagine somebody else organized the entire event.
She wasn't the mastermind behind this.

Speaker 3 (24:45):
I yeah, she had funders, for sure. I forget who.

Speaker 1 (24:48):
But yeah, yeah, she had sponsors. And you would think
she would fly a plane that she's already flown before,
one would imagine. So I don't think this was her idea.

Speaker 3 (25:01):
She could say, no, this is to say I need
a better plane.

Speaker 1 (25:04):
Propaganda by the feminist movement at the time, and they
kind of pushed her into it. She was not ready,
and she suffered because other women wanted her to be great.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah, I think feminism killed her.

Speaker 1 (25:24):
I think so.

Speaker 2 (25:25):
I think that's not the worst hypothesis. Now let's get
into some hypothesis of what happened to her. So the
most popular one is the Gardner Island hypothesis.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
All those women back then too, got one right behind me.
Helen Keller frauds kind of. She apparently plagiarized all our books.

Speaker 3 (25:47):
How is that possible.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
It's a good question. But she wrote fourteen books, all
fourteen were plagiarized.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, but I mean, how is she physically capable of plagiarizing?

Speaker 1 (25:58):
So a lot of her her accomplishments are questionable.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Including how she quote unquote flew a plane.

Speaker 1 (26:06):
Oh yeah, she's also a pilot. Yeah, so was Amelia
Earhart like Helen Keller when it comes to being a pilot.
Uh was it this dude doing all the heavy lifting?

Speaker 2 (26:16):
No, she was the pilot. He was like the navigating. Sure,
I'm not because a lot of a lot of stuff's
been blown up for me in the last day and
a half.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Oh so you haven't even dipped into the files.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
I don't think the Father has been released yet.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Okay, maybe they will be by Monday when this comes out,
But as far as I know, they haven't been released yet.
Trump said they were going.

Speaker 1 (26:37):
To sweet so so we can finally we're doing this
episode much like she flew that plane blind, yeah, and
like Helen.

Speaker 2 (26:46):
Keller, Yeah, a lot of blind piloting here. So the
Gardner Island hypothesis assumes that Earhart and Noonan unable to
find their destination to refuel Howland Island. When they realized
they were super we're off course, they were like, fuck it,
We're not gonna try and fly around for Howland because
our shitty plane doesn't have enough fuel. So we're just
gonna find the next island we can and try to

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set down. So they turn south to look for it.
Radio transmission transmission suggests they flew a course that would
take them past Baker Island. If they missed this, then
sometime later they would fly over the Phoenix Islands, which
are now a part of Kira Body, and that's about
three hundred and fifty miles south southeast of Howland Island.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Just not gonna make it. It's like when you're low
on gas and you miss the exit and you're in
the middle of nowhere.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
And if there's not even a gas station, it's just
a fucking taco bell.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
It's not that, it's just you can't even turn around. Yeah,
there's literally no exits for twenty six miles right, and
then the lights on. You're still trying to gauge. It's
an old school car. You don't have the exact mileage.

Speaker 3 (27:49):
Yeah, the number, even though the numbers are bullshit, but
they give you.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
They give you hope you're riding it out like Kramer. Yeah,
just like, come on, come on, man, come on, you're
trying to feel something.

Speaker 3 (27:59):
It cannot be on.

Speaker 2 (27:59):
The side of this fucking road. So one of the
Phoenix Islands, known as Gardner Island, has been suggested as
a possible crash landing site. The International Group for Historic
Aircraft Recovery. They're the ones that presented this hypothesis that
they hit Gardner Island, which was uninhabited at the time.
They landed the Electra on a flat reef near a

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shipwreck that was on the same island, the nineteen twenty
nine shipwreck of a freighter called the Norwich City, and
they sent sporadic radio messages from there. Now after they crashed, Yeah,
after they crashed from their planes radio.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Okay, so we have come from it. I thought I
just figured she just disappeared into the ether.

Speaker 3 (28:45):
Into the ocean.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
I don't know. She could have went into another dimension.

Speaker 3 (28:49):
Oh, we don't fully know either, but we'll get to that.

Speaker 1 (28:52):
But the fact that we have a radio signal after
she crashes.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
We for sure have a radio signal after she misses. Course,
we for sure have that. The rest of it is
up for debate and hopefully this administration shed some light.

Speaker 1 (29:08):
Yeah. I think she just went into like a little
ripple and she went. She came out into another.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
The land of the land, just fucking t rexes and
monkey people run around.

Speaker 1 (29:20):
Oh do is she time travel that'd be even more terrifying.

Speaker 2 (29:25):
To the past. Yeah, fuck that, it'd be horrible. You
just land on an island dinosaurs. It'd actually be funny
if she thought she time traveled when she crashed on
the island.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
But she has no context at that time for Jurassic part.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
Yeah, it was just kmodo dragons actually ripping her to pieces.

Speaker 3 (29:38):
She got there.

Speaker 2 (29:39):
Dinosaurs which at this point we're only like one hundred
years old.

Speaker 3 (29:43):
Yeah, barely knew what a dinosaur was.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Yeah. So also could just be totally fake. Could be
big bones in the eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Actually, you know what the dinosaur bonthes could be.

Speaker 2 (29:56):
People say that the government put them there or whatever,
like that's the conspira theory.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
No, it was the Bone Wars. It was just two
guys going at it trying to have a circus attraction.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Let me toss you another theory. Okay, how are the
original dinosaur bones discovered they were digging the railroads, railroads.

Speaker 1 (30:17):
The Chinese.

Speaker 2 (30:18):
No, it was big train because people that it was
exciting to hear about trains being dug because they might
find dinosaur bones. It's just an extra piece of propaganda.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
What if it was like the Chinese or the Irish
just fucking with Americans, that.

Speaker 2 (30:30):
Would also be funny. They just like took eighty of
their dead friends and stitch their bones together.

Speaker 1 (30:36):
Us Irish are great storytellers. Yeah, mythical creatures, lizards, giant
lizards roamed the earth, and we found their bones as
we're digging trenches for this railroad.

Speaker 3 (30:47):
It feels more like a Chinese story.

Speaker 2 (30:48):
I think the Irish just added the part where they
went extinct because we tell sad stories.

Speaker 1 (30:52):
We tell very sad stories, but we're great storytellers. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
So the Chinese were like grand terrible beasts, and the
Irish like, that's great, that's great, let's make him a
little die out.

Speaker 1 (31:04):
The Chinese maybe had the literal bones of the story, yeah,
and then the Irish kind of weaved it together.

Speaker 2 (31:12):
Gave it the flourish and the narrative. Yeah, I agree
with that. So Rick Gilepsby, who was the author of
Finding Amelia, wrote that while listening to alleged radio signals
on their home radios at the time, a one Mabel Larimore,
heard a woman claiming to be Earhart say Noonan was
quote seriously injured and that she had quote some injuries,

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but not as serious as mister Noonan's.

Speaker 1 (31:37):
She was fine.

Speaker 3 (31:38):
Betty Klank, another woman at the.

Speaker 1 (31:40):
Time, heard Clank owl an apparently.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
Injured man acting agitated with a distressed woman.

Speaker 3 (31:47):
So the Noonan's like, you dump bitch. I told you
did not a fla this plane. God fucking damn.

Speaker 1 (31:54):
It, passing the book. Yeah, he was the pilot all.

Speaker 3 (31:57):
But you did not he was You said, you know it?
Do you use it? You'd have seen a map before
in your life.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
He was useless.

Speaker 3 (32:05):
Yeah, No, he didn't know what he used anything.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Is he a gunner or something.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
No, he's the navigator. I get that, but he'd also
didn't know. Yeah, it's insane.

Speaker 2 (32:12):
I think he was like a last minute replacement.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
Get a couple of test flights in.

Speaker 2 (32:17):
Apparently, Klenk heard the man uttering what sounded like repeatedly
what sounded like Marie. Nowtan's Wife's first name was Mary B.

Speaker 1 (32:28):
And h.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
The man was also saying, water's knee deep. Let me out.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
So they crashed in the water.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
Uh, well if so, if they hit the island, yeah,
they landed it on a reef, so like in the water,
but like shallow.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
Water sense, so they're fine. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (32:43):
Clenk also heard the woman say, George, get the suitcase
in my closet.

Speaker 3 (32:48):
Then there's some breakup. California.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Four years earlier, in a letter to her mother, Earhart
had asked, should anything ever happen to her the suitcase
of private papers ord in her closet in California be
destroyed her husband Erhart's Husband's name was George Putnam, the
put Man. Yeah, what was in those What was in

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those private letters?

Speaker 3 (33:14):
The private papers?

Speaker 1 (33:15):
More secrets about what we had planned for the Middle East.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
After the British Empire falls. Dictator Roosevelt plans to take
the whole of the Middle East.

Speaker 1 (33:30):
He's going to redraw the lines. Yeah. Uh, maybe she
was a Nazi error. She could have been who knows.
Seems like the time we'll get to that, Limberg was Yeah,
So maybe it was.

Speaker 3 (33:44):
Just a Limberg was Nazi curious.

Speaker 1 (33:47):
It could have just been like a pilot hobby at
the time.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
It was just like being pilot is Nazi coded in
the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Just gravitate towards the literature. Well, it gets passed around.
I mean, how many pilots are there at that time? Many?

Speaker 2 (34:01):
I will say this in their defense of thinking the
Nazis were kind of cool.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
Gonna go out a little limb here.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
They had some pretty cool planes.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
And also we're dominating the Skies in the twenties and thirties.

Speaker 3 (34:18):
Pretty cool planes.

Speaker 2 (34:20):
They they were testing out their stukas and shit. In
the Spanish Civil War. They had a sweet air force,
That's what I'm saying. They had a sweet air force.
So it would make sense to me that a pilot
would be so pilot oriented that they might only think
about the planes.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
The French also were off put in. Yeah, yeah, they
didn't really fuck with the Americans.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
These kind of jerks.

Speaker 1 (34:46):
Yeah, I get it. Germans were a little friend there.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
I don't condone it.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
I understand it. I understand it.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I have empathy for being a Nazi curious pilot in
the nineteen thirties.

Speaker 1 (35:00):
I could see you being a naz curious But in.

Speaker 2 (35:03):
The nineteen thirties I'd never be a pilot, just not
so curious. More of a Joe Junior.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
Well, I'll tell you what. They should have got this
country in order.

Speaker 1 (35:12):
But then a Brazilian batter attorney.

Speaker 3 (35:14):
Oh with a heartbeat. I don't have principles like that.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
No, are you kidding me?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
I'm for sale.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
She didn't buy him off. She just threw that ass back.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
Brought him off.

Speaker 2 (35:28):
He was he was physically for sale, Okay, he was
mentally for sale. Yeah, she didn't pay him, he didn't
need the money.

Speaker 1 (35:36):
Yeah, I mean, I certainly don't have any principles.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
What are those seems like they're just getting the way
of stuff.

Speaker 1 (35:45):
Yeah, they just hamstring you. Really. Yeah, Oh you're gonna
take a stand, You're gonna say something.

Speaker 2 (35:50):
If I'm going to go through life with both my
hands stud behy my back, I'm real smart.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Idiots don't hold me to anything I say here, I
mean none it. Yeah, it's the whole.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Point of the show. We're not here to We're not
here to change lives.

Speaker 1 (36:08):
We're here for you to get into a rage, grow
to accident.

Speaker 3 (36:12):
Yeah, that's the only goal.

Speaker 1 (36:14):
To kill some of you, one at a time.

Speaker 3 (36:19):
That'd be a great way to be a serial killer.

Speaker 1 (36:22):
We're the podcasts here.

Speaker 2 (36:23):
You just write like you just write like the funniest
podcast shit you can, helping people crash and die, getting bodies.

Speaker 1 (36:31):
Yeah. Yeah, our goal is not to grow the podcast.
It's a shrink.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
So uh clink also heard the woman say repeatedly something
that sounded like New York City. It's been speculated she
was actually saying Norwich City, since that was the freighter
that was wrecked on the island. A week after Earhart
and Noonon disappeared, Navy planes from the USS Colorado, which
had left from Pearl Harper by the Way, search Gardner Island.
They saw signs of recent habitation and the wreck of

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the Norwich City, but no aircraft. Repeated circling failed to
bring out any survivors, and the historical group thinks that
the Electra had by then washed over the refedge into
the ocean, broke up and sank. They also think that
Earhart and possibly Newonan may have tried to survive on
the island but died pretty quick.

Speaker 3 (37:22):
The island was actually habitated, but I think.

Speaker 1 (37:24):
He's probably just like took her out.

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Her than him. He was the super injured one.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
What it's just like not dealing with her.

Speaker 3 (37:32):
What if but he was more injured.

Speaker 2 (37:35):
What if she ate him?

Speaker 1 (37:37):
She's a cannibal.

Speaker 3 (37:38):
Yeah, what did she sit down with that killed an ate?

Speaker 1 (37:42):
It's like, you're not going to survive this anyway.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
Yeah, Fred, Paul, Fred, I gotta tell you you're not.

Speaker 3 (37:48):
Gonna make it.

Speaker 2 (37:49):
Fred, I'm gonna shoot you in the face with this
flag on.

Speaker 1 (37:53):
Or what if she was like incredibly agrol So he
was kind of complain about his injuries and she's like,
you gotta stop being a little bitch, or I'm gonna
kill you.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
She's kind of a unit for her time.

Speaker 1 (38:06):
Was she she's like five eight okay.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
But like all women back then, impossibly gloriously skinny. She's
like five eight one ten.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
She's a model. Yeah? Was she a babe? No, it's
a bad, tough face.

Speaker 2 (38:21):
Yeah, it's just normal, kind of normal looking.

Speaker 1 (38:25):
I feel like she's got to be a babe though
she's about to be the face of women's flight. No.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
I think that was the best I could do at
the time.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
I suppose, Yeah, you're talking to me more and more
into her not being able to fly planes before this.
I or they really rushed.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
They really really rushed it.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Five. It's too tall for a male pilot. It'd be
tiny if.

Speaker 3 (38:52):
You're in like a fighter jet.

Speaker 1 (38:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (38:53):
Yeah, those guys are not.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Big planes and rockets. I think all astronauts are really
tiny too.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Makes sense.

Speaker 2 (39:01):
You can't have a like a six or four guy
on a fucking rocket ship.

Speaker 1 (39:06):
Taco Fall seven to six, Yeah, played basketball. U see.
You know, I think I had a cup of coffee
with the Celtics. But his life goal was to be
an astronaut. It's just never it just couldn't happen.

Speaker 3 (39:19):
Never gonna happen.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Cruolest thing that could have happened to him. You think
be seven to six?

Speaker 3 (39:23):
Would Bezos send him up?

Speaker 1 (39:26):
Bezos should send him up? Yeah, I think we should
get a movement to send Taco.

Speaker 3 (39:29):
Bezos needs to send Taco up like.

Speaker 1 (39:32):
Absolutely not in those like thirty second rockets either. I
want my man to go to Mars. I need Taco
Fall to be a Martian. He needs to be Matt
and damon just planting potatoes.

Speaker 2 (39:47):
He does look like an alien a little bit, justin't
it's just freakishly tall, but he's like also got the
long limbs of an alien. You know what I mean,
like the long, slinky limbs of an alien.

Speaker 1 (39:57):
So it's Wendy.

Speaker 3 (39:59):
Yeah, I know he does.

Speaker 1 (40:00):
I think Wendy's taller, isn't he. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (40:03):
I think he's about to say, okay, yeah, but they're
the same.

Speaker 1 (40:06):
They're both aliens. They both look like fucking aliens.

Speaker 2 (40:09):
So in thirty seven, the British setup shop on Gardner Island,
or some British settlers or whatever, I guess.

Speaker 3 (40:16):
I don't know if they're part of the anyway.

Speaker 2 (40:17):
Around nineteen forty a skull is discovered and buried, but
British colonial officer Jared Gallagher learned about it later and
he wanted to see the remains. They found some artifacts,
including rings. They found more bones, a bottle, a shoe,
and a sextant box under the island's southeast corner.

Speaker 3 (40:39):
It's like a navigation thing, I think.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Anyway.

Speaker 2 (40:42):
In nineteen forty Gallagher radio Didsuperiors that he found a skeleton,
possibly that of a woman. In nineteen eighty eight, the
Historical Aircraft Recover Group began an investigation into these bones.

Speaker 1 (40:54):
I just feel like they could determine that with DNA.

Speaker 2 (40:57):
Now, well, here's the thing. The British guy in nineteen
forty saw the bones and was like, oh right, found
some boutons.

Speaker 3 (41:06):
Might be a woman. Think it's a mine. We're gonna
tight some.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
Pictures, and then they just threw the bones away. The
Aircraft Recovery Historical Group found some more stuff, including improvised tools,
an aluminum panel, an oddly cut piece of clear plexiglass,
and his size nine woman's cat paw shoe heel.

Speaker 1 (41:26):
She was a size nine what's five eight? Yeah, they
got some big old stompers, big broad um dude. Yeah,
that caused the plane to crash. Certainly she's too big
for the the fucking cockpit.

Speaker 3 (41:42):
Yeah. So now that's theory number one. Theory number two
is the Japanese got her.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
They shut her down. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:50):
Arhart and Noonan were shot down and or captured by
Japanese forces.

Speaker 1 (41:56):
Uh caial Japan got her. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
In nineteen sixty six.

Speaker 1 (42:00):
A spy for the Chinese.

Speaker 2 (42:01):
Well, we're going to get to that. In nineteen sixty six,
CBS to an investigation. Our CBS journalists wrote a book
about it.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
I should say.

Speaker 2 (42:10):
Earhart and Noonan were captured and executed when their air
aircraft crashed on the island of Saipan. If you remember,
it's nineteen thirty seven, so World War II has already
started for the Japanese.

Speaker 3 (42:22):
They've been going for a few years.

Speaker 1 (42:23):
They take a saber door, dude, maybe cut her head
clean off. Yeah, maybe we're her boobs like they used to.

Speaker 3 (42:33):
They did that. They did do that too.

Speaker 1 (42:37):
They did some really messed up stuff, guys.

Speaker 2 (42:40):
So Saipan is probably too far away from Howland Island
her target to a been it. However, there's another highpotsis
that suggests that it was the Marshall Islands, which Japan
was at as well. That's slightly more possible. In nineteen ninety,
the show Unsolved Mysteries did a show well yeah, with

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an interview with a woman who claimed to have witnessed
Earhart and Noonan's execution by Japanese soldiers.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
That's sweet. I thought it was gonna be a woman
that claimed to be Amelia Earhart.

Speaker 2 (43:10):
No, no, no, just someone who saw her get her
head chopped off or something.

Speaker 1 (43:14):
I guess. Jesus, you survive a plane crash, you know,
that's like a one in a million chance, and then
you get captured by the Japanese and they just behead you.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, sweet, like I s would have taken the plane crash.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
I think I go out with the plane crasd instead
of execution. Yeap, because who knows what the Japanese did
to her before they executed her.

Speaker 3 (43:37):
It probably wasn't great.

Speaker 1 (43:38):
No, not them. But also we're going into war airspace. Yeah,
maybe not the best idea.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
So the other theory is that she wasn't captured, she
was just shot down.

Speaker 1 (43:53):
Like yeah, but there's the signal after the fact. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:00):
This theory is less accepted since the end of World
War Two, though there is a location on Tinian, which
is about five miles southwest of Saipan, that is rumored
to have the grave of two aviators. However, an archaeological
dig failed to find anything. A recent proponent of this

(44:20):
theory Mike Campbell. He published a book in twenty twelve
called Amelia Earhart The Truth at Last seems like a
dubious title. He claimed that Marshall Islanders saw a crash
and a US Army sergeant found a suspicious grave site
near a former Japanese prison on Saipan, and there is

(44:43):
another theory.

Speaker 1 (44:45):
It's the theory I hope is.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
True, and that is she was shot down and or
captured by the Japanese alive.

Speaker 1 (44:56):
Oh, she became a Ronan.

Speaker 2 (44:59):
No no, taken back to Japan and forced to become
Tokyo rows.

Speaker 1 (45:07):
Is it the woman that would just make fun of
Americans on the radio.

Speaker 3 (45:12):
Yeah, yeah, she's like.

Speaker 2 (45:14):
You are going to die, oh geas, you're all gonna
die tomorrow. Four h men at home are sleeping with
your girls. Why are you fighting, silly idiots? Your chicks
are getting plowed and we're going to murder you.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
But in a Japanese English accent.

Speaker 3 (45:33):
No, it was.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
A good accent. Oh, it's like a good American accent.

Speaker 1 (45:38):
Yeah hmm.

Speaker 2 (45:40):
So maybe it was a Japanese you could just you know,
lived in America for a while, who knows. Or maybe
it was Amelia Earhart with a gun to her head
telling our boys in blue that their girls were at
home getting drilled.

Speaker 1 (45:52):
It was a Millia all. Look, that's the theory I
root for, I hope for. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, who's to say, you.

Speaker 1 (45:59):
Gotta do what you gotta do? Is? I agree? I
don't really blame her for threatening gis. She's saving her
own life.

Speaker 3 (46:08):
They listened to it for fun. It wasn't it didn't work.

Speaker 1 (46:10):
No, they're laughing at it.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
There's literally a scene in the Pacific where they're like
listening to it for shits and gigs, like where they're like,
this is.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
The funniest suremany did something similar.

Speaker 3 (46:20):
They did, they did the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (46:21):
That's sweet. We I mean, if we go to war now,
we should do the same to locals. Oh yeah, we
should just terrorize. Oh my god, pay me to write
for that.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
Americans probably Brits too, but Americans and Brits in particular,
it's just like the worst possible set of people to
use that tactic on. It will only amuse them, it won't.
It won't make them angry even.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
No, it's not gonna scare us. It's not gonna make
us angry. We're just gonna be pretty apathetic to it.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
It's just funny, Like it's just like, dude, turn at
Tokyo ros.

Speaker 3 (46:52):
This shit cracks me up.

Speaker 1 (46:54):
Some guys are probably strogging off to it.

Speaker 2 (46:58):
Because and do you know so I think to get
them to listen to Tokyo rows, that Japanese would play
like popular.

Speaker 1 (47:04):
Songs, yeah, in between it, and then she would come
in and.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
DJ DJ it's five past the hour and your wife
is getting railroaded.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
By some Chinese man over in your country who is
building a railroad.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Why are you dying for him, you fucking idiot.

Speaker 1 (47:21):
Yeah, the Japanese would always just make it racist against
other Asians.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, I mean, if you're gonna check a card, that's
a good one for nineteen forties America.

Speaker 1 (47:31):
Yeah, yeah, why not?

Speaker 2 (47:33):
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(50:28):
by your.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Heart classic intelligence operation. Here they do the act and
then they put it out in media and they flaunt
it in our faces.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Everyone saw that movie and was like, Oh, maybe that's
what she did. And that's it. That's the whole that's
the whole theory. That's the whole reason people think she
was a spy for Roosevelt. They saw a movie in
nineteen forty three.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Well, dude, in a nick cage, maybe this guy named
Charlie Kirkman got shot in the neck.

Speaker 3 (51:01):
Is that real?

Speaker 1 (51:03):
Yeah? I think I think kirk Lynn or Kirkman, I forget,
but there was a nick cage movie in the nineties
where that character gets shot right through the neck.

Speaker 2 (51:14):
Is it sure it's not Charlie Coffman. Nope, it's not
that one movie.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
It's a character name.

Speaker 2 (51:18):
Okay, it's not adaptation. No, wait, what was his name
in adaptation?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
Was it Charlie Coffman?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
I don't know adaptation. Well, damn it, you brought it
up that I didn't bring that up at all. You
brought a wildly different movie. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (51:33):
So, yeah, he plays Charlie Coffin. They didn't change the
name to Charlie Kirkland. I've never seen the movie. I
don't know if he gets shot in the neck or not.

Speaker 1 (51:40):
It's called Snake Eyes. Oh yeah, not even remotely close
to adaptation.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
Nope, his name was Charlie. An adaptation though clearly plays
a lot of Charlie.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Ka Charles Kirkland assassinated in Snake Eyes in ninety eight
movie he gets shot through the neck.

Speaker 2 (51:58):
Called it, dude, fucking called it. Isn't Snake Eyes about
like a snuff film ring or something? Who It's certainly
not about anything.

Speaker 1 (52:07):
Charlie kirk talked about face off. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
There has been recent breaking news aside from the file
release on this.

Speaker 1 (52:19):
We got her, ladies and gentlemen, we got her.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
We got her.

Speaker 2 (52:25):
A new forensic analysis of the bones found on Gardner
Island strongly suggests they belong to a Millia Arehart. Now
we don't have those bones anymore, but we have photographs
toss in the trash and yeah, just in the garbage.
We have photographs of all not even like a grave.
Just nope, Yeah, a bin. Yeah, like as the British

(52:46):
would say, a bin. They threw it in a bin.
But they did take good photographs of the bones. They
were originally ruled out as belonging to Earhart because they
were thought to be male. But a scientist ran the
bones measurements through modern forensic.

Speaker 1 (53:00):
Software through a photo.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Yeah, compared them to estimations I'm already out of air
Heart's height and.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Bone length and stuff like that.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Based on her other photographs and what we knew about her.
The analysis found that not only are the bones female,
they match Earhart with a better than ninety nine percent
chance compared to other individuals. The Gardener Island bones were
air hearts. They crashed on Gardener Island. Crash landed on
Gardener Island on the reef, got out of there, were

(53:29):
both injured. Plane washes away they get to shore. Since
they don't even know how to fly the thing that
they were supposed to know how to do, I assume
they weren't very good at surviving.

Speaker 3 (53:38):
Either died within a week.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
They died in a week.

Speaker 2 (53:42):
Well, either that or they were so fast they were
too beat Well, dude, Fred was badly hurt, so that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (53:48):
Whatever she couldn't survive a week. She couldn't.

Speaker 3 (53:53):
She couldn't use the shit in her plane.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
People go on like naked and afraid and survive twenty
days and they don't know how to survive.

Speaker 3 (54:01):
You know what. She was five to eight weigh one
hundred and ten pounds.

Speaker 2 (54:05):
Not a lot to eat on that body, tall glass water, Yeah,
but nothing nothing for the body to feed on.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
Yeah, got to think of.

Speaker 2 (54:12):
Flat ass, you're tired. Oh yeah, no, flat ass all
over it. But yeah, so that is almost certainly they
were able to hit Gardner Island, get on the reef,
get off. Maybe she wasn't dead yet, but she was
just too weak to like get out and wave to

(54:35):
the planes that flew over like a week later.

Speaker 1 (54:38):
I like to think she could have gotten out of
it and she died in just buffoonish fashion.

Speaker 3 (54:45):
Running to the beach to wave them down, trips over a.

Speaker 1 (54:47):
Rock and just smashes her head.

Speaker 3 (54:49):
Yeah yeah, yeah, there's a high high probability.

Speaker 1 (54:55):
Or like she's running out in the water and like
just steps on a giant piece of coral that just
cuts a arter or something.

Speaker 2 (55:00):
Yeah, honestly, it might have just been a coconut fell
on her.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Head.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
Yep, that's great, and it's fitting because we derive as
the plane crash, she's, you know, doing pretty well on
the island. Maybe she evades some Japanese soldiers and then yeah,
a coconut gets her.

Speaker 2 (55:18):
Yeah, considering everything else that was going on with this mission,
not knowing how to use anything in her plane, not
knowing morrise code, despite knowing that she was going to
be communicating with the US Navy to navigate, I mean,

(55:39):
I don't understand how this person is a fucking hero.
I don't understand how we don't shit on fred Noonan
enough for being the navigator who didn't know how to
use it. It almost makes sense for Rebulia Earhart, right, Like
she's the talent, right, She's just there to hold the sticks.

Speaker 1 (55:55):
He's got to help out in some capacity.

Speaker 2 (55:57):
This is one of the most dog shit things missions.
It was doomed from the start, from the very beginning,
and we're like, oh, what a brave lady who died like.

Speaker 1 (56:08):
Like early early on.

Speaker 3 (56:11):
In the attempt to circumnavigate the world.

Speaker 1 (56:13):
Maybe Kamala Harris when she talked about you think you
just fell out of the coconut tree, this is what
she was talking about a coconut.

Speaker 3 (56:20):
Yeah, killing Amelia Earhart.

Speaker 1 (56:22):
That or this guy just literally fell out of nowhere,
like just totally unqualified for his position.

Speaker 2 (56:27):
Nowton, Oh yeah, he might have just been a hobo
like just I'll do it.

Speaker 1 (56:33):
Yeah, send up the hobo with.

Speaker 3 (56:35):
The broad Oh fly a plane.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
It's the dad from Independence.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Day, literally, except he's never been a pilot before.

Speaker 1 (56:44):
He only does crop dust.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
It's actual Randy Quaid. It's not Randy Quaid playing the character.
It's at literal Randy Quaid.

Speaker 1 (56:52):
He's been like, oh fucking do it? Why not?

Speaker 2 (56:56):
But that is the story of a Earhart, theories on
how she died and what we think we know about it.
I don't know what the files could possibly reveal too.

Speaker 1 (57:10):
I hope it's that. That's my favorite. I hope that's
what I'm pulling for. We lived a long life to
like one hundred and three as Tokyo Rose. Yeah, for
Imperial Japan. Oh God, please please please please leave. She
got nuked.

Speaker 2 (57:26):
They were broadcasting out of like Nagasaki. Yeah, she's just
like sitting there on the mic, like you American boys
should go home.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I would like to see if Tokyo Rose had any
broadcasts after we dropped the two.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
You don't think they took a day.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
To think about it.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
Like, I don't know if I'm in the mood to
do this show today, guys.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
I just want to know if we dropped a bomb,
did Tokyo Rose do another broadcast.

Speaker 3 (58:03):
I'll look into it.

Speaker 2 (58:04):
We should do an episode on Tokyo Rose, be honest,
I bet there's some quality one liners.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
Yeah, be interesting to see what the Japanese thought was
shit talking. Yeah. Yeah, they're not good shit talk. No, No,
imagine Otani just trying to.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
That's not their game. The Russians are the best. The
Russian trolls do a good job. I think Chinese trolls,
from what I've read, do like a really bad. They
don't understand they're they're not Western, so they don't quite
know how to get at you the way like a
Russian or Eastern European does.

Speaker 1 (58:38):
They don't know like idioms, yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:40):
And just like what would truly trigger like an American
brain to get mad?

Speaker 1 (58:46):
Yeah yeah. Now the Japanese, I feel like, would just
be like super respectful with how they should talk to you.

Speaker 2 (58:54):
Your home is being dishonored, Like what don't care what
you talking about?

Speaker 3 (59:03):
No one respects you.

Speaker 1 (59:05):
I know what. Why do you think I'm the heir?

Speaker 2 (59:09):
Yeah, like the guys are horrible at this. This tell
me stuff I know or don't care about. Yeah, that's
not how you want. No, No, Uh, what'd you learn today?

Speaker 1 (59:26):
I learned that Amelia Earhart crash in the Pacific. Again.
I thought this was like a Bermuda triangle thing. I've
never looked into it. Really, I've never had any interest
in it.

Speaker 2 (59:35):
Right, you knew the bullet points, That's all you need.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
I knew some broad crash you're playing right the two
boss the time. Yeah, I think that was enough information.
I think so, I don't need to know anything more
than that. No, but now I know more, and I
can tell people that she became a Japanese broadcaster.

Speaker 3 (59:53):
After being a horrible pilot.

Speaker 1 (59:57):
I don't even blame her either. I think she was
put pushed by the American feminist movement when she wasn't
ready and she wasn't necessarily qualified for the mission, to
kind of just get a point on the board.

Speaker 2 (01:00:12):
I don't hate that theory, to be honest, Like, I
really think that that's potentially valid.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Like she was pushed out I'm gonna have to see
her interviews and see her kind of just demeanor, demeanor
and body language. If she's like freaking out the entire time,
she's like, oh, yeah, I'm ready to go up. Yeah
should be good, Everything should be good. It's top of
the line.

Speaker 2 (01:00:39):
Got this new plane. What's better than a new plane?

Speaker 3 (01:00:44):
Nothing?

Speaker 1 (01:00:45):
Or she could have been like super Khaki, Yeah, that
honestly is better. If she was just she thought her
shit didn't stink.

Speaker 3 (01:00:54):
Just real, I am woman, hear me roar.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
Immediately takes off an even.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yeah, she said, like the flight length of a Leyah.
Who's today's hitler?

Speaker 1 (01:01:10):
I'm gonna say maybe the American Nazi Party that she
got involved with, well with Charles Lindberg, I think, or
that you know acxis. She could have been Japanese. Lindberg
went German.

Speaker 3 (01:01:26):
She went Japanese.

Speaker 1 (01:01:27):
Right, all pilots go axis.

Speaker 2 (01:01:30):
Look, the zero was a great plane. Too early in
the war. We eventually built shit that just clowned it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
But who did the Italians take? Fucking nobody? I can't
even I could.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
I couldn't even think of like who washed up celebrity
would like the current example would be like the Italians.

Speaker 1 (01:01:47):
Got Dimaggia wasn't like a huge Mussolini fan.

Speaker 3 (01:01:51):
I don't know. I'll have to look into that to
be honest.

Speaker 1 (01:01:54):
Weren't they like questioning Joey when he was playing his
loyalty to America?

Speaker 3 (01:02:00):
Italians were getting smoke? For sure.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
It's weird to think about because they're like, huh, you
guys are kind of bucking you.

Speaker 3 (01:02:06):
Sure you're uh what out of this country on our team?

Speaker 1 (01:02:09):
Like, I don't know anything about the old country.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Yeah, I barely speak it. I like spaghetti. I guess
does that count.

Speaker 1 (01:02:18):
Pizzas from New York? Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
Also what's funny is the Italians.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
This is like I don't know how true. Like I'd
have to look more into it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
But from what I've read recently, the Italians that are American,
like the Italian Americans, they're mostly Southern Italian right Sicily
Southern Italy stuff like that. Yeah, and the Italy Italians
most of them are like those are our garbage, Like
northern and Central Italy is not what's here, And Northern

(01:02:51):
and Central Italy think the South.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
And Siszilians are trash worse than that. I think, yeah,
to them, not me. Yeah, yeah, yah, yeah, I'm down
with the Sicilians.

Speaker 3 (01:03:02):
I love a Sicilian pizza.

Speaker 1 (01:03:04):
But also the Sicilians were like the mobsters, right yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (01:03:08):
Back I think it might be like their Appalachia.

Speaker 1 (01:03:10):
There you go is Sicily essentially yeah, so or they're
Baltimore or there or they're Baltimore.

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
Yeah either way. Well that's all I got for today.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
On what you will probably learn from the Amelia Airheart
files is that she collaborated with the Japanese.

Speaker 1 (01:03:28):
That's what I hope.

Speaker 3 (01:03:29):
Yeah, that's what That's.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
What we're all rooting for, we're all cheering for it,
and that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
She had a truly horrible mission that we celebrate for
some reason.

Speaker 3 (01:03:42):
I didn't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:03:43):
I really didn't know that. Like when I started reading it,
like my jaw was on the floor. I was like,
this cannot all be fucking true. Yeah, which is the
funniest part to me by far.

Speaker 3 (01:03:56):
But yeah, that's all I got.

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Speaker 1 (01:04:27):
He raised and groomed. I'm gonna do a short on
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Groomer Cleveland g yeah, yeah, I need like a quick
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Speaker 1 (01:04:41):
So Groomer Cleveland's good.

Speaker 3 (01:04:42):
We're talking about our president that was.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
A groomer, not the one in office. Now.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
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Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Have been Oh he would have raised those girls as
his own and then married them.

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Speaker 3 (01:05:00):
That'll probably get some views.

Speaker 1 (01:05:01):
No, people are stupid, People are dumb. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:05:04):
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