The Carny Days Of Professional Wrestling

Comedian Uncle Lazer joins the show to break down the history of professional wrestling in the United States, from Civil War campsite brawls to the sports entertainment we know and love today.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You. I'm now listening to soft core history. Welcome back
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(00:28):
and dealing son of a gun.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
And I'm having a hard time keeping these fucking pterodactyls down.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
Look at that huh, uncle laser?

Speaker 3 (00:34):
How are we doing?

Speaker 1 (00:35):
Boys?

Speaker 4 (00:35):
Is that pterodacyl leather?

Speaker 3 (00:36):
Yeah? I know it's extinct in fucking forty seven.

Speaker 4 (00:38):
I one reason, like a top three reason I have
for cloning extinct animals is to extract their leather. Yeah,
the boot their hides yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean
you get a cause like, you know, those ostrich boots
and shit, they're kind of cool, but you got the
bumps all over them. I want like a bird, the quills, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I want the bumps a parodactyl get like a dodo bird. Yeah.

(01:00):
That's the only reason, is too.

Speaker 1 (01:01):
Of how many boots you can make with a mammoth.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
Oh, and you feed a village.

Speaker 4 (01:06):
Whole fucking neolithic villages, We're just all their clothes, all
their meat from one mammoth just a giant blanket. I
feel like we predicted it's on the show before Laser,
but I feel and I feel like you'll probably potentially
partake in this one day. Eventually they'll clone a mammoth
and Texas will be one of the few, if not
the only states, because you know, there's a lot of
like fucking exotic animals and shit here a lot of

(01:27):
tiger king shit. I know tiger kings in Oklahoma, but
like there's weird and if you drive down the highway
you just see a fucking zebra.

Speaker 3 (01:34):
Yeah, yeah, yah, Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:35):
Eventually you'll be able to hunt a mammoth on someone's
ranch in Texas out of the helicopter's spears. No, it
should be you gotta do it with spears.

Speaker 3 (01:41):
You gotta do it. It's on horseback.

Speaker 4 (01:43):
Yeah. If you kill a mammoth with an ar, like.

Speaker 1 (01:46):
You're bitch out of a helicopter, you can do spears.

Speaker 4 (01:49):
Threw spears out of a helicopter.

Speaker 3 (01:50):
Yeah, just barrel roll into a spear throat.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
I'll be okay with that.

Speaker 4 (01:53):
Yeah yeahah, or like a legalist type of kill where
you just climb it and fucking arrow it in the head.

Speaker 1 (01:58):
Going for xeroxes.

Speaker 4 (02:00):
Yeah, yeah, I don't, but I I like, I want
that to happen so bad. Like you're just on a
ranch with Aaron Rodgers and you're doing his weird hippie shit,
just slinging spears through a mammoth skull him.

Speaker 1 (02:12):
That's Jake Paul h Aubrey Marcus.

Speaker 4 (02:14):
That's my dream for the future of Texas's mammoth hunting
on a ranch.

Speaker 3 (02:18):
I can't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
That's when we truly know we're free.

Speaker 3 (02:21):
Yeah, that's when we're back.

Speaker 4 (02:22):
And then you get the boots and probably a sick
ass fur coat too.

Speaker 3 (02:26):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
All right, so Laser, thanks for coming in. I know
you have no idea what the show is.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
I don't, but I love history.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Well today we're gonna talk about something that's right up
your alley.

Speaker 3 (02:34):
All right, bet we're.

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Talking about the early years of what we now know
as professional wrestling.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
Oh shit, Okay, it's not just like we're not just
talking about states and fucking you know constitutions.

Speaker 1 (02:46):
No, no, no shit, that's I mean, that's a perfect
fucking Tian top you wore.

Speaker 3 (02:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, that's me all the time, you
tell him. Yeah, no, I had no idea what this was.

Speaker 1 (02:56):
This is gonna be great.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
I what year does this start? Because we always joke
on the show, they're like, the first like thirty years
of professional football was just like literally homeless people, just
like jumping off a train car.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
And that's all this entire show is is the Carnie years.

Speaker 2 (03:10):
Yeah, I think you mean, like, when did it really click?
When did wrestling become the dude? When Stone Cold one
King of the Ring and he goes John sixteen just says,
you know, say your.

Speaker 3 (03:19):
Prayer, bump your bump your Bible. But Austin says, I
just whooped your ass. That's when wrestling started for me.

Speaker 1 (03:25):
Now this is perfect because obviously me and Laser probably
huge wrestling fans.

Speaker 4 (03:29):
I'm a wrestling fan growing up.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I No, you weren't. Not in the same way we were.

Speaker 4 (03:32):
No, certainly not.

Speaker 1 (03:33):
I wanted to be a professional wrestler until I was sixteen.
That's kind of a major part of why I didn't
get laid until I was eighteen.

Speaker 4 (03:39):
Nice. I mean, me and my friends would go watch
the poor kids who wanted to be professional wrestlers. Does
that count.

Speaker 1 (03:46):
I had a bunch of buddies dads that would like
run local shows. Yeah, so we'd kind of hop in
the ring entertain like fifteen people. Yeah, who were your
parents' friends?

Speaker 3 (03:57):
There?

Speaker 1 (03:57):
Weren't my parents' friends. Okay, they were my friend's parents. Okay, Yeah,
he's still even Briarcliffe was a different part of town.

Speaker 4 (04:04):
Yeah, I guess.

Speaker 3 (04:05):
So did you ever wrestle at all?

Speaker 1 (04:06):
Oh dude, I used to wrestle all.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
The time, man, Yeah, like like you know, like in
a faction or a ring, because I did some in college
station about two years ago.

Speaker 3 (04:13):
So all trained and do all that. But I didn't
know this. I don't know if you know this. I
didn't know this. Uh. The referee, I thought forever was
just a pawn, just part of the script.

Speaker 4 (04:23):
Right.

Speaker 3 (04:23):
He's the ring master.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
Because if you get concussed, he makes sure he gets
into your next spot and helps you finish the match.

Speaker 4 (04:29):
He's like almost the director.

Speaker 3 (04:30):
He's yeah, he's the guy.

Speaker 1 (04:32):
And that happens a lot.

Speaker 3 (04:33):
Oh god, damn dude.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
E you don't take a bump correctly, you don't tuck
your chin, you hit your fucking head instant.

Speaker 4 (04:38):
Yeah, dude, people are getting squared up on the back
of the head with the fucking steel chair. Yeah, that's
crazy like that I've taken, like just to show the
difference here, like I've had like if you've played soccer
and you don't head the ball in the right spot,
like if you take it off like right here or
something like that, you're just like confused for like ten minutes,
like you're just walking around like you don't know what
the fuck's going on.

Speaker 1 (04:57):
And I obviously grew up in Philadelphia, home of ECW.

Speaker 3 (05:00):
Oh, I just so back from there. Great, I love
Philly so much.

Speaker 1 (05:03):
Extreme Championship Wrestling. Yeah, so we uh we went above
and beyond. You know, we're hitting each other with light tubes.

Speaker 3 (05:10):
Oh yeah, Bob Wire thumb tacks was a big one.

Speaker 4 (05:14):
Yeah, get the blood out.

Speaker 1 (05:15):
I don't know how I'm alive still.

Speaker 4 (05:17):
Yeah, I'm wondering. I'm wondering. Maybe this is how you
didn't get into the Naval Academy, like if you hadn't
backyard wrestled.

Speaker 1 (05:25):
Yeah, you're a midshipman. Obviously. Everybody starts some trampoline when
you're like, yeah, you do shows.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
When they start on trampoline and they start like with
their dad rough housing, I'm throwing them in the fucking
the dry wall in the bed.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
More like beating whole cogan wrestling buddy. Yeah, yeah, with
the little dolls and ship Yeah, dude, you throw those around.

Speaker 3 (05:42):
Yeah, I for goddamn I forgot about that.

Speaker 1 (05:44):
Because your parents teach you not to hit your sister.

Speaker 3 (05:47):
Yeah, it's not good. They fall weird.

Speaker 4 (05:48):
Yeah, you start wrestling with it. A couple of years later,
cut a hole in the crotch.

Speaker 1 (05:53):
You can't sleep with it.

Speaker 4 (05:54):
I'm actually becomes a different situation to this day.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
I still sleep with my whole cogin. Uh.

Speaker 3 (06:00):
The Randy Savage one. Randy Savage was my guy. But no.

Speaker 1 (06:04):
Obviously, the sport of wrestling dates back to the Greeks
and Romans, and a Baker's dozen of US presidents have
grappled in the past, including Washington, Teddy Taft, and of course,
Wrestling Hall of famers Abraham Lincoln and Donald Trump.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Donald Trump is a wrestling hall wait, but for his
being in the w w F Yeah, okay, yeah.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
He is the only commander in chief to ever be
hit with the stone Colt Stunner.

Speaker 4 (06:28):
Boy, for now.

Speaker 1 (06:29):
There has been.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
It can be a little history fact.

Speaker 2 (06:33):
It can be Abraham Lincoln went up with his cabinet
to that little place in the woods before the plocumation
of decoration, before he ended slavery.

Speaker 3 (06:43):
They went up there and wrestled for twelve weeks, and
then he.

Speaker 2 (06:45):
Came back and for freeing slaves, and then he got
shot in the back of the head. So a couple
of you know, boys wrestling around like, hey, I don't
think we should have slaves anymore.

Speaker 4 (06:53):
And then a couple others being like, no, I'm gonna
I will wrestle you for it.

Speaker 3 (06:57):
Yeah yeah, yeah, he won the match.

Speaker 4 (06:58):
Yea, yeah, yeah, if that's how you got to get
it done.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
They're greasing up too, yeah yeah.

Speaker 3 (07:03):
What do you think singlets look like in the fucking
eighteen sixties?

Speaker 1 (07:06):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (07:06):
Have you ever seen the painting of Lincoln wrestling? Uh,
it's him. It's he's shirtless basically, and I think, like
much like they do with Christ, like the painter might
have done him a few favors being cut. He was
pretty cut. Yeah, but he was just there like it
was almost it was like half wrestling, half like he
looked like he was bare knuckle boxing almost, you know
what I mean.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
What he's like six' eight, too, right he was like
a tall.

Speaker 4 (07:27):
Big, yeah he was a big year, like oh, yeah
good read was.

Speaker 3 (07:29):
Incredible, yeah there you.

Speaker 4 (07:30):
Go, yeah it looked you know what it looked. Like
you know. What his voice though incredibly. High have you
seen the Movie? Lincoln they have recordings of? Him, no, no, no
there's NO i don't think there's any recordings of.

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Him how well we know his voice is.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
Squeaky people wrote down what his voice sounded, like essentially, like,
oh he's got a high pitch. Voice have you SEEN
D D L danny D lewis Do, lincoln like the Movie. Lincoln,
yeah that's pretty dead on according to. Historians, yeah just
kind OF i need to free the. Slaves that's WHY
i thought they could. Rebell, ye that's Why South carolina was, like,
oh we could take this.

Speaker 1 (08:02):
Bitch the entertainment element outside the sport really got going
In france in eighteen. Thirty but we're not talking about The.
French we're talking about the good OLD us OF a
and that started roughly around The Civil war thanks to
an influx Of, Irish french And german immigrants who brought
over the long hair style or commercial wrestling From, europe
which was really a vessel to sell more booz at

(08:23):
beer gardens need.

Speaker 4 (08:25):
Entertainment, yeah it can't always be a, band you know
WHAT i. Mean you can't all always be three. Fiddles.

Speaker 1 (08:31):
Dude imagine if you went out On Sixth street right
now and there was just a fucking wrestling show going.

Speaker 4 (08:35):
On that's the first. BAR i would go, Into no holds,
bar a hardcoret match in the.

Speaker 3 (08:39):
Street you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (08:40):
Saying that falls count, anywhere falls count. Anywhere, yeah, Dude
i'd be hyped to go to that, bar like why
do we? NEED i would get there. EARLY i would
be near the.

Speaker 4 (08:49):
Front.

Speaker 1 (08:50):
Yeah it initially caught on In vermont in THE, us
and The Irish union regiments from The Green Mountain state
passed on the hobby to their fellow soldiers to help
pass the time between. Battles wrestling has always been for the.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
Troops for the, Boys, yeah the.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
Boys long before The intercontinental And european belts, existed, though
companies had competitions to declare their champions and they would
go on to clash with other winners to see who
was the king of The yankee.

Speaker 5 (09:19):
Ring so they'd be different competing faction to be a regional. Circuit,
okay Y flair would go you, know uh, yeah that
that that was what the, yeah, yeah, no that was
they would string together like this. Fact but that that's
that because because this mc man was the first one
to go into territories and be, like, yo we're taking
all your talent and we're gonna morphit all.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Together it was the first one to make it make it.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
Universal, now this was during The Civil war where, yeah,
yeah my. Bad literally Between gettysburg and Like shiloh or something, like, oh,
DUDE i gotta go wrestle this dude from fucking From Sea.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Company yeah, yeah, TRACKING i mean there's a fucking coach
all the way up to go.

Speaker 1 (09:57):
Wrestle, unfortunately there are no detailed records on these, matches
and we don't know who exactly took the. Crown but
after the, war soldiers took these skills on the road
to compete at county fairs and touring.

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Carnivals do you think at every point in time during
The Civil war there were like The union in the
and The southerners The confederates were, like instead of doing
this battle At, gettysburg you get your best, wrestler you
oil them.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
Up you get your.

Speaker 3 (10:22):
Champions you guys just we'll go for who can pinho.

Speaker 4 (10:25):
It's A troy situation that did happen once in the
middle of a, battle so it's, yes it. Did so
what happened was essentially The union And confederates in SOME
i don't even remember what battle. Was it could have
been literally any of there's there thousands of battles In Civil, war,
right we, know like The Big eight or. Whatever but
so there was just in the middle of a firefight
and they were getting close to each other and it

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got hand to. Hand so they'd already been shooting into each,
other killing each other where it had gotten kind of
like hand to, hand and these two dudes were just
like throwing started like throwing down in the middle of.
It their muskets weren't, loaded and they BOTH i guess
disarmed each other and they started just like throwing hands
like full on fist, fight and everyone else around like
notice that this like, knockdown drag out fist fight was

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going On confederate And. Union everyone stopped fighting and just
watch these two beat the shit out of each.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Other that's.

Speaker 4 (11:12):
INCREDIBLE i don't know if it was like the two
best fighters in the. Unit they're, like, oh That's johnson
and another guy is, like oh, god, damn that's that's Mcgilla.
Cuddy we got to this, ship but they literally the
battle stopped until the officer finally got. There we're, like
shoot each. Other what are you? Doing brought the boys?

Speaker 1 (11:27):
Together, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (11:28):
Yeah it's.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
Original somebody you just need a good dance part of they're
just beating the fun Each i'm gonna watch. That.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Yeah this is when they would really start to develop, characters, backstories,
costumes and the whole predetermined aspect of pro. Wrestling, obviously
this attracted just the highest class of spectators to roll,
through and by THAT i mean the, poorest dumbest. Motherfuckers,
yeah that were attracted by the open challenge element that
most carnies would. Offer oh so you.

Speaker 4 (11:53):
Could andrew tate it where you just, Like i'll fight.
Anyone just line up And i'll fight you one by.
One that's what they would. Do town Of. Town, yeah that's.

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Crazy if you could last fifteen minutes in the ring
with the likes of The french cyclone Or colossus h
you would take home at life changing twenty five dollars
uh fit.

Speaker 4 (12:11):
Money back, then fifteen minutes a lot of, time and
so they're just.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Wrestling they're not fist.

Speaker 2 (12:16):
Fighting you just are they trying to pin each, other
trying to beat the fuck out of each.

Speaker 3 (12:19):
Other it's gotta be a difference, there.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
A little bit of.

Speaker 4 (12:21):
Both it was just a.

Speaker 1 (12:22):
Shoot it was a.

Speaker 4 (12:23):
Shoot it was a.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Shoot it was a. Shoot but it might've been a work.
Too very rarely were the pros ever in danger of.
Losing but in Some midwestern farm boy whose bloodline would
ultimately produce generations of All american big ten linemen would come, through.

Speaker 3 (12:39):
Big, big hey baling, inbred some bitch just fucking.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Farmstrong The carney promoters had a few tricks up their,
sleeves made them.

Speaker 3 (12:47):
With a pocket. Sand it's a pocket sand on.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
There almost rings typically had a curtain towards the back
of one side where promoters would swing baseball backs that
take out the challengers' legs or whack them over the
head with two by four whenever they can.

Speaker 4 (13:01):
Salt what that that law doesn't exist at this, time
there's No there's certain places WHERE i feel like even you,
know like now you'd be like if someone get if
someone like goes into a bad neighborhood and they get
like fucked. Up you, know you feel bad for, them
but you're, like what are you doing walking around that
in the middle of The yeah he ask for, This, yeah, yeaheah, yeahah,

(13:21):
yeah you get in that. Ring there's no complaints to
be made at that. Point, yeah but what do you
think the Traveling carnies we're gonna do to? You you
thought you're gonna get a fair fight from the guys
stealing money from children who think they're gonna win a,
game selling snake oil and.

Speaker 1 (13:36):
Such they eventually got smart enough to take out all
risks by putting on total, works where the audience members
they pulled were actually in on the job and part
of the traveling.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Troops so, yeah, yeah did the other town people not?
Know they're, like, hey that guy doesn't live. Here there's
a town of four hundred. PEOPLE i don't know that.

Speaker 3 (13:52):
Guy, yeah what were you?

Speaker 1 (13:53):
Doing?

Speaker 4 (13:53):
Yeah who's this? Guy like what he literally doesn't live?
Here oh, no you just pay him? Off, yeah, okay,
okay so you.

Speaker 3 (13:59):
Just to be a crash, dummy just get the shit kicked.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
Down yeah, Okay, hey you want to make eight dollars
instead of losing twenty five. Dollars, yeah all, right we'll
give you a. Dollar, yeah to let us just beat
The christ out of. You then you're making money on like,
BOOZE i mean admission.

Speaker 3 (14:15):
TICKETS i bet they're betting on.

Speaker 1 (14:16):
It, YEAH i mean they got the huge proponent of it.
Too it's.

Speaker 4 (14:19):
Betting that feels like a lot of innocent people lost. Money, yes, yeah,
Yes like that just looks like every gambling commercial, today
like in THE nba finals or like you'll like the
third quarter will start and they'll be, like this is
what the.

Speaker 3 (14:32):
Line was at the.

Speaker 4 (14:33):
Start now you can go to the. Line it's just,
like give me your, money you fucking.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
Morons wrestling performers were arranged in a pyramid hierarchy of
fame and money based on strictly athletic. Talent the lowest,
were of, course, journeymen young performers with promise and some,
skill but relied heavily on showmanship to gain. Fans the
actual wrestlers were called shooters because of their ability to
shoot or fight real matches, competitively and they were more

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successful but less common and at the, top where the
elites were the, hookers name for their ability to use
arcane wrestling hooks to inflict damage and serious injury on the.
Competition what does that?

Speaker 4 (15:12):
Mean forgive, Me i'm the only non combat sport fan.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
Here kind of getting under your, shoulder cooking ooka.

Speaker 4 (15:18):
In and just do whatever you. Want, okay did they
have moves?

Speaker 1 (15:22):
Yet like?

Speaker 4 (15:23):
Signature?

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah when is the souplex and the power bomb and
everything come into? Term like terminology?

Speaker 4 (15:29):
Was we'll get to.

Speaker 1 (15:29):
That oh. Shit this is also the time when much
of pro wrestling slang and lingo, developed like k, fab
which meant keeping the worked aspect of the business a
secret at all. Times so if you're in the public,
eye you don't break. Character it's real to, me damn.

Speaker 4 (15:46):
It so if you're just trying to get a sandwich
and someone's, like, oh You're Randy, savage you have to
be like, god damn. It just like hit yourself in
the throat. Once i'm, like, hey, brother, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Yeah LIKE i really just wanted to have. Lunchman, Fuck
like you're. Rivals you couldn't hang out with, them, okay no,
friends no, Friends, like no one could see you be.

Speaker 1 (16:05):
Friends. Yeah if you're The, undertaker you just got to
act like a dead.

Speaker 4 (16:08):
Man caine is just like throws the mask. On, really,
well he can't be you know?

Speaker 1 (16:15):
Mayor?

Speaker 4 (16:17):
Right, yeah so for, Years, YEAH i had no. IDEA
i thought there was.

Speaker 1 (16:20):
Two canes, too, right REALLY i think. So, no like
the current mayor In tennessee Of, knoxville he was the
second CAN i thought there was A kane before. Him.

Speaker 4 (16:30):
NO i thought he was Always undertaker's.

Speaker 3 (16:32):
Brother, yeah he's Always undertaker's.

Speaker 4 (16:33):
Brother thought it was always his biological brother from beginning to.

Speaker 1 (16:36):
End that he lived on fire and buried. Alive. Yeah,
yeah the brothers. Fight, see that is a k fate.

Speaker 4 (16:42):
Brothers.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Fight that's.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
Real i'm pretty sure that's loosely based or what was
loosely based for The hound and The mountain On game
Of thrones was the higher anarchy of The undertaker And.

Speaker 3 (16:53):
KANES i think.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
SO i Think martin steals.

Speaker 6 (16:56):
Everything, yeah, yeah that tracks he wrote it during that.
Time it was it was the Attitude, yeah he wrote
it during the fucking attitude. Era and by the, way
kind of similar looking like the hound looks like can
you put a mask on the?

Speaker 4 (17:09):
Hound they're both giant That's. Kane.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Yeah they really gave a bad impression of The. Undertaker,
huh what The.

Speaker 4 (17:17):
Mountain yeah he, yeah raped a, lot. Certainly but but.

Speaker 2 (17:22):
When he puts his fingers in Od boy's, Eyeball oh my,
god that was that was the MOST i Was.

Speaker 1 (17:28):
We're talking about The american badass.

Speaker 4 (17:29):
THOUGH i was, LIKE i was, like, truly that was
the only Time i've ever watched. Anything i've been visibly.

Speaker 1 (17:33):
SHAKEN i.

Speaker 4 (17:34):
WAS i, was, YEAH i was, like what you, know
what you? Know what saved me is at that same.

Speaker 1 (17:39):
Night, UH i felt the same way when he Tombstones linda.
McMahon oh, YEAH i forgot about.

Speaker 4 (17:44):
That that's gotta be the Only secretary Of education that
will ever be.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Tombstoned really a lot of first in wrestling with this. Administration, yeah, yeah.
YEAH a veteran by the name Of james harrim McLaughlin
was the first major star In american wrestling when he
won the title Of color And Elbow champion in eighteen sixty.
Seven In march eighteen, seventy a tournament was held and
the winner was awarded the first belt with a gold,

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buckle much like the titles we know and love today
with like a rodeo. Belt. Yeah at the. Time in
the final, match McLaughlin was well ahead Against Barney, smith
but the referee declined to end the, match so McLaughlin
Slam smith off the stage onto his, head knocking him
out cold and leading to his death soon.

Speaker 3 (18:29):
After oh, shit you know that'll.

Speaker 2 (18:31):
Happen they're killing for belts back in the eighteen, hundreds.

Speaker 4 (18:35):
Huh that's like every sport, Though like dudes were taking
baseballs to the dome and it's just, like well it's eighteen,
eighty so he's, dead you know WHAT i, Mean like
there's no medicine for this or like football or. Helmets, yeah, yeah,
yeah yeah. Yeah. FOOTBALL i mean people were just the,
best you, know like the history of, football, right How
Teddy rose had it intervening and. Shit the funniest part about, that,
though is it was All it wasn't like professional box car.

(18:57):
Hobos it was Like princeton, Kids, yeah settling scores and
murdering each other on the. Field what better, WAY i.

Speaker 1 (19:05):
KNOW i, mean The university Of florida had to flee
the country Of cuba really.

Speaker 4 (19:10):
For physical, Reasons like they were like they're going to
murder us and the referees are not on our.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Side Jesus.

Speaker 4 (19:16):
Christ but, YEAH i feel like any sport before nineteen.
Twenty it was just like you might. Die this is
a blue collar.

Speaker 1 (19:23):
Occupation touched on it in The Patreon taykab beat a
man up with no.

Speaker 4 (19:27):
Arms the man had no. Arms Ty cob used his
arms to beat up the armless man.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
Because he was talking. Shit. Yeah despite remaining inactive for
nearly four years after, that he was generally considered the reigning.
Champion his next match came In february of eighteen seventy,
five with the decisive win Over Mike, whalen in which
he collected twenty five hundred dollars for the match itself
and another fifteen thousand by betting on himself believing in. Himself,

(19:54):
yes that's.

Speaker 3 (19:55):
Crazy.

Speaker 1 (19:56):
Yes despite most of this being a, work a major
appeal of the this competition was. Gambling so, yeah it
seems It's, yeah it's oldest old.

Speaker 4 (20:05):
Time they're just it's just people in The. States do
they how do they even get a? PIECE i feel
like it's just people next to each, Other Like i'll give,
IT i got twenty one.

Speaker 3 (20:11):
Old now they have a book runner in the, crowd
pro taking, Taking like.

Speaker 4 (20:17):
If you want to get in, there it's Like Churchill
downs or something like you got to go to the
booth to place your.

Speaker 1 (20:22):
Bets McLaughlan fought several times in eighteen seventy, six killing
another man In Dutch hogan and paralyzing another In Charles Mere's.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Price when did it become like, organized like where they were, like, hey,
man you can't kill this fucking.

Speaker 4 (20:35):
Guy there's no rules back then like it just like
it's literally no holds barback, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Serious well it got to the point that McLachlan publicly
declared his intentions to restrict his future fights to color
and elbow rules, exclusively rather than the anything ghost style
that led to those in ring.

Speaker 2 (20:53):
Deaths because at what point are you looking across from man, knowing,
hey we're doing a. Work, yeah we're, gonna you, know
do smooths, here and then you're just, like you know,
what fuck, This i'm gonna break this dude's jaw with a,
Sledgehamber like when does it?

Speaker 4 (21:04):
Come when is it just?

Speaker 1 (21:05):
Bow when they stopped listening to, you we agreed to.

Speaker 4 (21:09):
This yeah he won a wrong, move he pulls an
extra move that's not in the, script pocket saying yeah,
pocket sayan your spinal cords?

Speaker 1 (21:16):
Done or say he drops you like, wrong or the
crowd cheers for him a little too.

Speaker 3 (21:20):
LOUD i feel like it was very Wild west back.

Speaker 1 (21:23):
Then Incredibly. Yeah. Yeah the man often referred to as
the father Of american pro wrestling Was William. Muldoon Where
maclachlin was still very much blended together with legitimate competition and,
Showmanship muldoon rehearsed all of his. Bouts he was also
a former, soldier An american volunteer in The Franco Prussian,

(21:45):
war and A New york cop who ultimately gave up
law enforcement to join a traveling athletic troop to put
on wrestling.

Speaker 4 (21:51):
Shows why do you volunteer for The Franco Prussian?

Speaker 1 (21:54):
War just wanted to get some of all the. Things
it wasn't old enough for The American Civil.

Speaker 4 (21:58):
War, oh and he felt. Bad he's just a lot
of dudes walking around with one, leg and he's like
that seems. SWEET i would need.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
This, yeah his matches.

Speaker 3 (22:06):
Feel like everybody was bored back then, though.

Speaker 4 (22:08):
Too oh, Yeah LIKE i mean like what we did
like just.

Speaker 3 (22:10):
You, know just bailing hay and ship out in the
form and it's LIKE i can go kill some. PEOPLE
i MEAN i feel like, that.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
Dude we've done a ton of episodes and like entertainment
from the eighteen hundreds and the. Like the number one
takeaway all the time is, like, man people didn't have fucking.
Anything and two things with that too is so one
by the, way like novels at this time were not
really you're if you were dude and you read, novels you're. Gay,
yeah well you're still, gay yeah, yeah, True well well

(22:36):
back to that there was, yeah there was a period
of like peak male literature and now it's back to
your gay thy. Yeah but so like novels were only for,
chicks so dudes had like no, entertainment and so they
would go do and watch. Anything the best example we
ever had was they're you, know like they're, traveling traveling
circus and circuses and show all the, time and there

(22:57):
were elephants in these circuses and they would obviously obviously
torture the fuck out of these elephants to get them
to behave because they. Didn't they were just, like, yeah
to get an animal, behave you, torture beat the fuck
out of put your. Cigarettes yeah, yeah one day this
is this one elephant had misbehaved, too, much and they're,
like we gotta teach it a real. Lesson and they were,
like anyone who wants to come out and watch us
teach this elephant a? Lesson come on. Out they're just

(23:19):
in some Town, illinois, like, yeah come on, out you
can see. It it's, fine it'll be. Fun you have A. Tv,
no it hasn't been a. Minute let's go. Watch let's
go watch. This so the whole town comes out and
they tie each of the elephant's legs, individually they chain
it to a tree trunk in the, forest and then
they just start a bonfire under the elephant's tummy while
the whole town. Watches just lit it on.

Speaker 3 (23:37):
Fire just a, Roast, yeah a, roast.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
Just an elephant, roast kill, it need. It they just
just give it a bonfire until it burned the. Belly,
yeah until. Shit but you know it solved all that.

Speaker 3 (23:48):
Television, yeah, yeah you.

Speaker 4 (23:51):
Don't need to watch An yeah you don't even watch
an animal get lit on.

Speaker 3 (23:53):
Fire we're soft, now.

Speaker 1 (23:58):
But we're able to accomplish such great. Things people are always, like,
oh how do they build the? Pyramids oh they had nothing?

Speaker 3 (24:03):
Else aliens, aliens not the.

Speaker 4 (24:05):
Aliens that's my that's my answer for, Everything, like how
do they do? That, well they did anything else to?

Speaker 3 (24:10):
Do there's no, hobbies just move.

Speaker 4 (24:13):
It, yeah, yeah you need something to. Do and also you,
know just what are you going to say no to a?

Speaker 3 (24:20):
King, yeah they'll burn your belly.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
And everyone will watch because they don't have anything else to.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Do his matches on these tours were always around fifteen,
minutes and it was scripted that he always. Won of,
Course bill would also regularly send employees into the towns
ahead of time to hype up becoming, matches and this
is kind of the earliest example of what would become
known as modern professional wrestling. Promotion so they.

Speaker 4 (24:48):
Just send a marketer like to the next town over
to be, like there's a big fight In johnsonville to
not Big buck mckillahan is. Fighting you're never, lost and everyone's, like.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
Well six thousand.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
Bouts, yeah They Bill, Goldberg, yeah They bill Bo They Bill.

Speaker 4 (25:03):
Goldberg we don't Like Bill goldberg on this.

Speaker 1 (25:05):
PODCAST i Love, goldberg but he did flag.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Us he flagg yaw uh yeah we were at. That
were you were you at? That we were at one
of the demolition demolition shooting and he was getting interviewed
On Drinking. Bros and he had brought His Desert eagle
to the. Table it has a hole the size of
my fucking mouth and its barrel and he was just.
Like they were, like, oh is that your egle and
he was just it was, loaded and he was, like oh,

(25:31):
yeah check. Out And i'm sitting off to the side
and the cameras behind the. Camera he was just pointing
it back and forth to the both of, us not
really just showing it. Off AND i was, like get.

Speaker 3 (25:39):
This the fuck who brings a loaded gun to a?

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Podcast, well we were at the gun. RANGE i, MEAN i,
agree damn, DUDE i. Agree just laid it on the
table and then was.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
Like, yeah this was my desert look at.

Speaker 4 (25:52):
It and me And dan were, like god fucking damn, it.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Dude and he had a couple of beers in. Them. Yeah.
Okay So goldberg h love. Him we'll never forget. Him
Versus lesslard at Wrestle. Mania oh, god yeah we should,
though we.

Speaker 3 (26:09):
Should.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Man that's an example of when you didn't want to
kind of cave to the other, guy they would have
killed each.

Speaker 2 (26:15):
Other in the Eight, WELL i heard some, too like
With brock lesser And undertaker like he just he he
knocked him out when he fucking suplexed him or f
five to him on that uh. Uh he was during
the Wrestleman it was like he didn't want to, lose
but he just.

Speaker 3 (26:28):
Knocked him out and he had to.

Speaker 1 (26:29):
Lose.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Yeah, yeah SO.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
I mean, wait, Wait undertaker lost his only match At
wrestlemanian because he got knocked.

Speaker 3 (26:34):
Out, yeah that's What Paul. Hayman that wasn't. Scripted that's
What Paul hayman.

Speaker 2 (26:38):
Said BUT i saw an interview With Paul hayman and he, goes,
yeah it was not. Designed he was supposed to finish,
that he was not.

Speaker 1 (26:43):
Gonna put him.

Speaker 3 (26:44):
Over, yeah And lesard knocked him.

Speaker 1 (26:46):
Out think of all the people that lost money on the. Undertake,
yeah you bet on you.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Can't you can't bet on he can.

Speaker 4 (26:52):
You can you. Can't, now certainly you can bet on.
It so if you want to make a lot of
money and just make friends with a writer in the W, we, SHIT.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
I think they put limits on. It but, yeah.

Speaker 4 (27:02):
Yeah, lesner by the, way is had the greatest part
of The vince, McMahon did you hear About Lesner's vince
McMahon his involvement in The vince mcmn's sexual assaults all the.
Text so he there's that chick who was suing him
and like she was like getting passed around by all
the wrestlers or. Whatever, Yeah so they Signed lesner and McMahon's, like,
YEAH i got this. Chick she'll like fuck you any

(27:23):
time and. All he's, married by the, Way, lesnar but.

Speaker 1 (27:25):
You can like poop on, her, yeah poop. Her of,
course he's married To.

Speaker 4 (27:28):
Sable, Yeah and So lesner texts her and is, like
send me a video of you peen like pissing the
toilet and film it and send it to. Me and
so she, does and she sends it to, him And
lesner just types, back, bitch.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
No other, words just.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
Bitch that's.

Speaker 4 (27:50):
Awesome that's ALL i could think of WHEN i look
At Brock lesner or his daughter who is a national
champion shot put. Her oh.

Speaker 1 (27:59):
Yeah muldoom was never defeated for his championship. Belt he
wrestled in the final match or his final match in
eighteen ninety Defeated Evan lewis And. Philadelphia he symbolically passed
on his title to his Protege Ernest Robert muldoune would
make his final appearance as a wrestler in the charity

(28:21):
exhibition match Against robert In Madison Square garden in eighteen ninety.

Speaker 4 (28:24):
Four how old Is Madison Square garden old as? HELL i?

Speaker 1 (28:28):
Know is that all eighteen?

Speaker 3 (28:30):
Nineties?

Speaker 4 (28:31):
Yeah when was the walking? COMPETITION i thought that was
in the like twenties or something like.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
That, no that was like eighteen, nineties early nineteen. Hundred Jesus,
christ thing's been around?

Speaker 4 (28:39):
For is that our oldest? Arena it has to, Be
it has to.

Speaker 1 (28:42):
Be during the late nineteenth century early twentieth, century wrestling
was dominated By Martin Farmer burns and his Student Frank.
Gotch gotch was regarded as untouchable at his peak and
became the first who actually claimed the world disputed heavyweight
championship by defeating all contenders In North america And. Europe

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and a guy we covered on Our Patreon George hackenschmidt Hacken.

Speaker 4 (29:09):
Schmidt oh, wait so they Were it was that Same
they were doing the same. Thing m hm. OKAY i
was wondering where they fit into.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
This, yeah Hacken schmidt uh obviously the creator of the
bench press. TOO i don't great guy and the hack.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
SQUAD i knew it was a hack. SQUAT i didn't
know he was a bench press.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
Though. Yeah they had two matches nineteen oh eight and
then nineteen, eleven and it's seen as two of the
most significant matches in history because the nineteen eleven rematch
had a crowd of thirty thousand people At Kamiski park
In chicago and had the at the time the biggest
gate of eighty seven thousand.

Speaker 3 (29:44):
Dollars holy.

Speaker 1 (29:46):
Shit but this is also a time when the public
starts to, realize, oh, hey it's fake as, hell this is.

Speaker 3 (29:55):
Fixed oh that's WHEN i started kind of, questioning because up.

Speaker 1 (29:58):
Until this point you could just you could, lie and
people are, like, oh, dude that was a it was
a great.

Speaker 4 (30:02):
Fun people are getting wise to. It it's the twentieth. Century,
yeah they're not falling for that eighteen hundred shit. Anymore,
also really the problem is is, that well it was.

Speaker 3 (30:10):
Prohibition during that air, too and everybody won't drunk no.

Speaker 4 (30:12):
More, yeah they're, sober so they they're, yeah they're catching.
Things they where it. Is the other, problem, too is
and this is why it lasted for so long as
no one suspected. It you have to someone has to
get paralyzed every couple of, years like legitimately Pari.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
Yeah. Yeah the deaths actually helped to the.

Speaker 6 (30:29):
Storyline ye, yeah well it makes it, real right if
you don't sacrifice, someone then people will stop.

Speaker 4 (30:35):
Believing you'd be, like, oh you say it's fake or.
Whatever but that guy is in a.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
Wheelchair jobbers serve a, purpose, right, yeah, yeah you gotta
get these dudes on our.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
Earth The journeyman are willing to take a.

Speaker 4 (30:44):
Bump that guy, had like there's a toilet under his.
Chair he it just leaks into. It it's, like we'll
take carry your.

Speaker 1 (30:49):
Family you gotta. Go i'm, sorry we gotta break your.

Speaker 4 (30:53):
NECK i, mean at least find like a you, know
someone with terminal cancer and be, like, hey we have a. Business,
yeah you don't have any money and a whole family
to take care of and you're gonna.

Speaker 3 (31:04):
Die let's throw you off hell in the.

Speaker 4 (31:05):
Show, yeah let's just can.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
One of our.

Speaker 1 (31:08):
Full he was not a JOB I god damn, It,
NO i.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Wasn't but he wasn't supposed to do.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
That we're talking about dudes that would have been on
Like sunday night, heat you, know the good old days
before the pay per. Views, yeah an hour or so
before the men were set to enter the, Ring White
sox Owner Charles kamiski learned the dirty truth of professional
wrestling and had a conference with, promoters wrestlers and referees

(31:32):
informed in them that he wouldn't allow them to stage
this robbery in his. Park what year was this nineteen?

Speaker 4 (31:40):
Eleven that's ironic since his.

Speaker 3 (31:42):
Own, team why was that this when they got when
it fixed right?

Speaker 2 (31:46):
Right eight years later they he, goes, hey you can't
fix this, Fight we're going to fix this World what
a fucking.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Cocksucker.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
Huh, listen you know he had morals, then you gotta
think he had money on. It he hung around too
many wrestling promoter and he was able to throw The World.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Series, yeah he figured he picked it up from. Them
you gotta Think Arl rosstein was in on a lot
of this wrestling, bullshit the guy who did fix The World.

Speaker 1 (32:08):
Series the chief of police ordered to call off all,
bets and once making the, announcement the crowd answered with
an angry, roar followed by a confused silence to what was.
Happening the belt still went on as, planned With gosh
pulling off the, wind drowned out by thirty thousand, strong
billing the ever living shit out of the.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
EVENT i, say you keep the. Bet they don't know
who's gonna, win you know WHAT i, mean even if it's,
predetermined they don't know who's gonna. Win their bet is
just the.

Speaker 2 (32:35):
Same why aren't they paying off these guys like The
why aren't they giving them a? CUT i feel like
they just didn't want to cut him, In, like why
are they gonna tell everybody it's fake when it's like
we got to, money make a business, here or we're
gonna print.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
Money let's do.

Speaker 4 (32:46):
That Let kamiski in on the on the. Table give
him called the. Vig it's called the.

Speaker 1 (32:52):
Vig this was the pivotal moment Where americans finally saw
pro wrestling for the. Magic it really well an entertainment,
product not a legitimate. Sport because of, this wrestling went
into a tailspin and. Popularity that was until the Gold
Dust trio came around in The roaring twenties and saved the.

Speaker 4 (33:13):
Day, look people wanted. Entertainment this was like that was
the first entertainment boom In, America like mass. Media that
was the radio everyone. Wanted they didn't care if it
was fake or. Real at that, point the, Bored, yeah
but they wanted. More like they got the, radio got
it there hook it's hooks in, Them, LIKE i need
more fucking shit to make me.

Speaker 1 (33:33):
Interested So Ed, Lewis Billy, sandal And Toots mott revolutionized
and saved professional wrestling with their. Promotion they were the
pioneers of signature, moves, finishers, finishers tag team, matches distracting
and subduing the, referee, okay classic love, that and, flashier

(33:56):
more acrobatic stunts to get people in on professional. Wrestling
see more people.

Speaker 4 (34:01):
Need to do hardy boys, Shit yeah swan tom bomb
dude from the. Top, yeah THAT'S i was always a
big hardy, boy was.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Too that's why my dad THOUGHT i was gay.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Because the fishnets doggings in the colored.

Speaker 1 (34:13):
AIR i went Some monday net raw is like a
ten year old and YEAH i wore just. THAT i was.
Cutting were you really you were a scene?

Speaker 3 (34:19):
KID i.

Speaker 1 (34:20):
WASN'T i was a hardy, boy but for the NIGHT i.

Speaker 4 (34:23):
Was, yeah hardy boy also just an inherently gay name as.
Well so, yeah none of.

Speaker 3 (34:29):
That Helped, yeah where They why why go?

Speaker 4 (34:31):
THAT i don't. Know you gotta Think vince should have
been The Bash brothers or, anything, right or we already
have The Dudley.

Speaker 1 (34:37):
Bros those are my.

Speaker 3 (34:39):
Favorite.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Yeah they were kind of like THE bassecw. Guys, yeah
those were others in the.

Speaker 4 (34:43):
BEGINNING i mean The Dudley. Bros WERE i, mean no
one would be, like, OH i think my son might
be a little fruity if you were a Dressed.

Speaker 3 (34:49):
NO i think you're. RETARDING i think you got.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
Down they're walking around With Stacy keebler and, yeah you
know she was looking fine as well in them the. Shorts.

Speaker 4 (34:59):
Yeah so, yeah, yeah he's just said he quit drinking
before the, show and uh THAT i had a real
FANCY i P.

Speaker 1 (35:06):
A brought it.

Speaker 3 (35:08):
On he was the first one to drink beer in the.
Ring did you know?

Speaker 4 (35:10):
THAT i did not know. That you, know.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
He was the first one with a beer. Sponsorship and
who sponsored him?

Speaker 4 (35:16):
First it, was uh THE A b Or miller or
was it?

Speaker 3 (35:20):
Was it was A b because he started he would
do bud.

Speaker 4 (35:22):
Heavies, yeah, yeah well he's. Done he can't do bud
lights on, it like even that's not even like a
current political. Thing it's just like you needed. That he
needs to do a man's like the. Diesel yeah, yeah, yeah,
yeah he really, though he's got like he's really got
Like milwaukee's best.

Speaker 3 (35:36):
Vibes oh, yeah oh yeah, yeah hands.

Speaker 4 (35:40):
Down Like. Budweiser almost seems like he. Won't he looks
like the type of guy who'd only drink Bud wiser
because he's had a steakhouse and they. Won't that's that's
the that's all they, got, yeah.

Speaker 1 (35:48):
Exactly the Gold Dust trio would actually kind of revolutionize
the game by rather than paying traveling wrestlers to perform
on certain dates and combining wrestlers and matchups when they were,
available they actually kept guys on the roster and would
kind of develop these long term angles and feuds for
months and even years at a. Time so this is

(36:09):
kind of what we really know as professional. Wrestling that's
what it comes.

Speaker 4 (36:14):
About was the. Twenties, okay it was a Big it
was a big decade for, showmanship you know WHAT i.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
Mean and obviously they kind of break off the different.
Promotions they kind of go under the Gold Dust trio
after like the twenty five to twenty six because some
of their guys just go.

Speaker 4 (36:34):
Rogue they want to strike it on their.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
Own, no, no they just go against their. Orders oh,
oh like you're supposed to lose this, match and then they're,
like fuck, That i'm not losing this.

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Dude so it becomes a real fight at that. Point
kind Of, YEAH i love. That that's WHAT i. WANT
i want someone to go off script and then they
just actually have to fight each. Other and then couldn't
they fight even you know WHAT i? Mean like could
an actual other than the like.

Speaker 1 (36:57):
Real fights break up even in professional wrestling, now but.

Speaker 4 (37:00):
Like other than the like five or six that are
like TRAINED mma fighters or Like lesner WAS mma right
first he.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
Was a no, no he was a college, wrestler oh college,
wressler college, wrestler pro, wrestler went to THE, ufc oh.

Speaker 4 (37:11):
Okay but, then Like Kurt angle was An olympic wrestler
before he BECAME.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
I want to go medal with a broken freaking. Neck
BUT i feel like most of them they're just like Perk, angle.

Speaker 2 (37:21):
Per oh perk Thirty angle, dude they do a thirty
for thirty per Thirty angle.

Speaker 4 (37:25):
DUDE i feel like most of them can't, fight like
actually fight like you'd be like WATCHING nba players.

Speaker 1 (37:30):
Fight, Well Sam punk tried to go to THE ufc
and just got wrung By Mickey.

Speaker 3 (37:34):
Yeah. Yeah and Then shamrock was a big he was
he was in and.

Speaker 1 (37:40):
Then went to wrestling. After.

Speaker 4 (37:41):
Yeah, yeah but like most of them are just like.
Acrobats yeah, YEAH i MEAN i guess The rock played like.

Speaker 1 (37:48):
Football it's always been a. Circus goldberg also played. Football yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (37:51):
Yeah But henry Was World strong's.

Speaker 4 (37:53):
Man, yeah BUT i but that Doesn't it's the type
of thing WHERE i think about Like, superman Where i'm,
like why would he beat good it like he's, strong
but why would he have good form and?

Speaker 1 (38:02):
Fight?

Speaker 4 (38:03):
Yeah, yeah you.

Speaker 1 (38:04):
Know, yeah it makes more sense because Like Ray mysterio
in real life is not beating The Big. Show, no
it's never.

Speaker 4 (38:09):
Happened it Was. David you never know, Though, dude did
he bring a? Sling he did?

Speaker 1 (38:13):
Not well he's six one. Nine, yeah it was his finishing.
Movieka it was essentially a human. Sling that's a human.

Speaker 3 (38:18):
Sling, Well Brett hart and, him they were the real.

Speaker 1 (38:21):
Deal they. Were they were wrestling The montreal screw Jab montreal.

Speaker 3 (38:25):
Screw damn, it, DUDE i Love Sean, michaels.

Speaker 1 (38:28):
So they also considered that fight in nineteen, eleven the
original wrestling screw. Job hackenschmidt allegedly was supposed to. Win
oh and he got.

Speaker 4 (38:40):
What once the money was, off it didn't matter.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Anymore he also had a bad, knee so he came
into the fight with a bad knee and uh.

Speaker 4 (38:46):
Oh yeah they didn't he just go after his knee
the whole.

Speaker 1 (38:48):
Time, yeah, yeah, Yeah well if he's got a bad, Knee,
Like i'm not gonna lose this, fight what are you
supposed to?

Speaker 4 (38:54):
Do only throw the ball in where the batter can hit.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
It you know WHAT i?

Speaker 4 (38:57):
Mean it don't. Work, yeah we're just only throwing it
down the. Dad, yeah a scripted.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
Fight and he's, Like i'm not losing this, dude he's
got bad. Knee.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Yeah people Think i'm a pussy IF i lose this scripted.
FIGHT i got not with this.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Knee, Yeah and that is where we're going to stop
today BECAUSE i just, thought, like just those really early. Years,
obviously there's plenty of coverage with The netflix documentary on
The vince McMann, stuff how he kind of revolutionized the.
Game up until that, point it was all just regional.
Stuff like we kind of referenced earlier with what was some.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Of the FACT i can't remember the top of my hand.

Speaker 1 (39:30):
With imagine you've come Across Rick flair with your activities
as a. Comedian, YEAH i was there his pants for
the first.

Speaker 4 (39:38):
Time he, well so for the first, time, well first
Time i've seen well, yeah, okay fair.

Speaker 3 (39:44):
Enough but he did try to take the.

Speaker 2 (39:45):
Guy THAT i was, with the buddy of mine who
like and he like trying to steal his girlfriend.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
There just he'll do that the horniest he came into our.
Work it was AFTER i didn't work there.

Speaker 1 (39:54):
Anymore, yeah BUT i Interviewed Rick flair and, uh just
maybe the war first interview.

Speaker 4 (40:00):
That he's like that every.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
Time you would think he would turn it, on BUT
i guess he's just that that part Of.

Speaker 3 (40:09):
Yah, yeah he's too he's too old, now, man he
still has to.

Speaker 4 (40:11):
Pussy on a, Train, yeah he.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Does that came out after our, interview way after now
we interviewed, him and we let off with like how
he's kind of. Indestructible he survived a plane crash and
he took it a totally different. Way so he's like
a lot of good people died on that. Plane we're,
like oh, wow he.

Speaker 4 (40:30):
Just like had like A vietnam, flashback.

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Like LIKE i thought enough time would lost a lot of,
lost a lot of friends that a lot of good
men out there were playing for The.

Speaker 4 (40:39):
Yankees he did try to Fuck tasha.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
Though, yeah then he tried to fuck our our camera.
Woman oh, okay so he's still he's still.

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Instructible he was really.

Speaker 4 (40:47):
One he's really like there's one singular focus that he.

Speaker 1 (40:50):
Has he gave his hotel key to her in front
of her, boyfriend and her boyfriend's. Laughing d.

Speaker 3 (40:59):
It's Got it's like an.

Speaker 4 (41:00):
Omen it's just like tip of the hat And i'd be,
like you can go if you.

Speaker 3 (41:03):
Want.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
Yeah you notice after that plane crash, though when he
would take, bumps like he he would fall sideways on his,
back he would not.

Speaker 3 (41:11):
Fall flat like directly on the, back like directly take a.
Bump if you notice when he gets soup lex or
he gets, thrown he.

Speaker 1 (41:17):
Leans, also if you ever go back and actually watch
old School Rick flair, matches very rarely does he do
anything other than get on his knees and like argue
not to hit. Him, yeah, yeah that's a big part
of it and then a low.

Speaker 2 (41:29):
Blow well that was the same thing With, hogan like
you know in the whole commanity when he get hit
and like wouldn't sell.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
It same.

Speaker 2 (41:34):
Shit it was just it had that little that was
the thing in like the eighties and the early, nineties
like where they would have that like.

Speaker 3 (41:40):
SHOWMANSHIP i guess you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (41:42):
SAYING i just liked.

Speaker 4 (41:43):
That Rick flair's thing was, like please don't hit, me
falsely waving a white flag and then, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, yeah it's like somebody call an, ambulance not for,
me not for me, Though yeah, yeah he was the.
Original look if.

Speaker 4 (41:57):
It, WORKS i would just be LIKE i could that
was before my, Time LIKE i grew up in like
The Stone cold The rock. ERA i feel like as
a child watching, THAT i would be, like what.

Speaker 1 (42:04):
Do you.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
Know what he's gonna?

Speaker 1 (42:06):
Do?

Speaker 4 (42:06):
Right like he's not surrendering to. You how can you
possibly not see this? Coming, jake This hick or whoever
the fuck was, Fighting, like for the love Of, god
just kill.

Speaker 1 (42:14):
HIM i don't THINK i would have gotten into wrestling
IF i grew up in like The Rick flair. Era
he was TOO i mean he obviously wrestled well beyond his,
prime of.

Speaker 4 (42:24):
COURSE i, mean if you don't know any, better he's
gonna take that's the best thing you've ever. Seen but
if you compare the eras, this that stone cold attitude,
era the rock that, was it doesn't get. Topped, no
it was the best villains, too like by, far like
actual hate able people who were even the villains Of
Rick flair's.

Speaker 1 (42:43):
Era Roddy. Piper, Okay piper was good the. Heels Rick
flair was a. Heel he was he was the. Guy
no one's cheering For Rick flair really.

Speaker 4 (42:55):
Until it just he just becomes a legend of it
because he's in there in every local, town fucking everybody's. Way, yeah, No,
ship he's just like you ever been with a fake fighter?

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Before it's.

Speaker 4 (43:05):
KEY i just can't imagine he actually lays good pipe.

Speaker 3 (43:10):
Either already's hung as a. Horse you, know he slapped
people on the.

Speaker 4 (43:15):
Chest, yeah it's all for, him, Though is that his party.

Speaker 3 (43:21):
Knocks Over martini glasses and? SHIP i?

Speaker 4 (43:23):
Hope so what a?

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Guy what a fucking?

Speaker 1 (43:25):
Guy what did you guys learn?

Speaker 3 (43:28):
Today Hack squat only invented the bench, press he.

Speaker 1 (43:34):
Didn't, Yeah hack And schmidt the, press what about.

Speaker 4 (43:38):
YOU i just like that The Civil war gave us
two of our. Pastimes baseball blew up in The Civil,
war and fucking so did pro wrestling. APPARENTLY i, mean
IF i had nothing else to, DO i would and
lived in a small, TOWN i would obviously.

Speaker 3 (43:52):
Like, Again i'm going to see.

Speaker 4 (43:54):
It, yeah literally what else is there to?

Speaker 1 (43:56):
Do and pro wrestling came out of real wrestling kind
of being too.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
Boring, yeah it's like an m a fight where they're
just grappling the whole.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
TIME i don't want to see. That, theatrics, yeah makes.
Sense and then it was kind of getting washed by
baseball and horse. Racing so the kind of boding the
Gold Dust trio is what kind of put them.

Speaker 3 (44:17):
Over it made it entertainment more, so right.

Speaker 4 (44:19):
SPORT i assume there was a lot of like we
look back, on like boxing as being like a glory
sport in the twenty which it, WAS i, guess BUT
i guarantee, you just like, today there were still a
lot of boxing matches where like you just like do,
this they're just leaning. On, yeah, yeah it's like someone.

Speaker 1 (44:37):
You watch that. Thing there was there was good fights On.

Speaker 3 (44:40):
Yeah the under cards Always, YEAH i mean there was
in THE ufc was going on, too Because Holly holmes
was on the car, too he was on the boxing.

Speaker 1 (44:47):
Card THE ufc car was just really. Good oh that was.

Speaker 3 (44:50):
Great that was a good.

Speaker 1 (44:50):
One. Uh and then we did this thing at the
end of the show called who Is Today's? Hitler Because
americans are so bad at, history they reference the worst
possible person is Always. Hitler so if you always compare
somebody To, hitler no.

Speaker 4 (45:03):
Matter the, situation if you're the bad guy and You're hitler,
basically you.

Speaker 1 (45:06):
Know WHAT i.

Speaker 4 (45:07):
Mean like if you're if you're voting against uh local
proposition that expands a bus line because you don't want
to get taxed that extra three, cents you're You're?

Speaker 1 (45:17):
Hitler so who is in this story THAT i just
told kind of everything we kind of. Covered who is
the worst person in this?

Speaker 2 (45:24):
Story probably Vincing man having that woman get shipped on by, people,
right that'd be my.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
Vote Brock lessers just pitching that toilet girl.

Speaker 3 (45:32):
BITCH i think.

Speaker 4 (45:36):
He later fucked her, too by the, Way LIKE i
think he did end up banging her as. Well how.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
MUCH i don't think a. Lot, No, no. GRANTED i
mean girls go To dubai for fifty grand to get shipped.

Speaker 3 (45:49):
On that's over here with a boy for five. Grand shit,
happens you know What i'm.

Speaker 1 (45:55):
Saying, YEAH i mean the price is the price that
you're willing to.

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Accept, YEAH i mean everybody's got a.

Speaker 4 (46:03):
Number, yeah, YEAH i mean there. Wasnactics i'll get ship on.
It there's a number for me to get shipped.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
On what's your?

Speaker 4 (46:08):
NUMBER i have children LIKE, i you, know they need
to go to school and stuff like.

Speaker 1 (46:11):
That, yeah three kids, now, yeah so imagine what number
is lower now that you haven't.

Speaker 3 (46:16):
Watched Rick flair shit on all of us at the,
bar and that it was for.

Speaker 4 (46:18):
Free you know What i'm.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
Saying he didn't even pay the drink. Bill oh he bounced.
Himself you gotta.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
Go, yeah you can't stay, here but leave the card, Though.

Speaker 3 (46:28):
YEAH i mean, yeah leave a fucking one hundred dollars
tip or.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Something does he have that type of money?

Speaker 1 (46:32):
Though Rick flair right, now.

Speaker 2 (46:33):
Dude he's killing it with them energy drinks all the.
Bullshit oh yeah that's.

Speaker 1 (46:38):
True, yeah he's not Like Pete rose going to kind
of card. Shows.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Yeah P, rose who definitely lost all his money.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Before, yeah he's signing things for forty.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Dollars put fame after.

Speaker 1 (46:48):
It was a lifetime. Ban, yeah but he died his life's.

Speaker 4 (46:51):
Old did you see what Fu one of THE i
think it was said he'd live five. Five he would
have still be alive if they put him in The
hall Of.

Speaker 3 (46:58):
Fame that's a hilarious.

Speaker 4 (47:02):
Just another, dude by the, way like people stopped caring
about his cheating and then he got like a second
wind of hate because that chick came out and was, like,
no he fucked me WHEN i was, fourteen And Pete
rose was, LIKE i thought she was. Sixteen i've never.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Seen a seventy five year old were a flat brim.
Though that was crazy to. ME i mean when he,
comes oh my, god flat brim.

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Hats, YEAH i don't think he had the strength to bend.
It maybe that was.

Speaker 3 (47:23):
It, well he did get a fuck ton of hits,
Though i'm sure he still's.

Speaker 1 (47:26):
Got he's the hit. King he also dyed his hair
to the, END i. Believe, yeah very Like coach. K.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah he absolutely should have been like the greyest motherfucker
alive with the life he, led but just he just
kept that die job.

Speaker 1 (47:40):
GOING i can't Believe John daly's outlived.

Speaker 4 (47:42):
Him he's younger than.

Speaker 1 (47:44):
Him, yeah but he's he's at cancer for like fifteen
years at this.

Speaker 4 (47:47):
Point he's living with.

Speaker 3 (47:48):
It yeah, yeah, right he dropped himdye. Coke keep it a.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
Bad tumor's part of his. Body, yeah like it just
lives with.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
Him, Well, laser thank you for. Joining where can the
good people find? It glazer? Everywhere? Everywhere? Everywhere have you
got anything fun coming? Up and it? Shows?

Speaker 3 (48:05):
Uh, Vancouver, Uh july.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
Thirty first Through august. Second they're letting you In canada.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Barely, yeah we're getting.

Speaker 1 (48:13):
There.

Speaker 3 (48:13):
Yeah, yeah they're not as strict as they are with
letting people. In, yeah letting.

Speaker 4 (48:17):
Out you need to if they check you on the way,
in you need to have like several fucked up memes
at the front of your. Thing you just said That.
Norwegian oh yeah, yeah, yeah you need to just have
like A jdvance meme at the, front just to see
if they lay you back.

Speaker 2 (48:28):
In yeah, no uh, yeah canas where they wont let
you take your merch. In you have, to Like, claire
your merch like declared is like it's, weird but, Yeah
i'm just gonna go up there with horse and saddle
from Fucking oregon and we'll figure it out there you, Go.

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