The High Priestess of Anarchy

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Speaker 1 (00:06):
You am now listening to soft core History. What is up?

Speaker 2 (00:15):
Welcome back to Softcore History. I am your host for
the week, Rob Fox, joined us always by Dan Regester
and our one of our favorite, maybe our favorite recurring guests.

Speaker 1 (00:25):
Hard to say.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
It's between Jack Mandeville and two Latinos. Uh, Scott Lopez
is here today.

Speaker 3 (00:32):
Why do you guys have multiple Latinos?

Speaker 2 (00:34):
Well, one is a Latina, but.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
Yeah, that makes sense. Diversify, you know, multiply divide.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
Yeah, Texas, you know, man, it's ever You're here.

Speaker 1 (00:46):
Fuck you, We're everywhere. You're here, You're here. Why every
time we have a guest too, he just skips right
over me talking, goes right to the guest. They're are guests.
I know they're special. Yeah. Okay, So to get my intro,
what's up Dan? What you feeling today? Nah? I'm good, bro,

(01:06):
well said, Scott's here in a tactical wizard hat.

Speaker 3 (01:12):
Yeah, you know, I gotta mix it up. My normal
outfit is in my buddy's truck. So next time I'm on,
hopefully I see him again. Also, my salsa is in
his truck. It's probably bad.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:26):
Yeah, I spent forty dollars on salsa.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
It's fucked If it's in his truck.

Speaker 3 (01:32):
I'm hoping he put it back in his fridge because
he told me he did. It's been cooked cactus salsa,
pickle salsa, and then tropical Hawaiian salsa.

Speaker 2 (01:40):
I don't like any of those. It's all sound bad.
And I'm a salsa boy.

Speaker 3 (01:44):
You're in it's white people's salsa. Tropical salsa.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
Yeah, fuck got I want heat. I want a burn
their heat mouth through fucking butthole.

Speaker 1 (01:52):
There is hot indies. Yeah. Now do you think Merlin
had tactical cana?

Speaker 3 (01:57):
Merlin definitely did because he survived a long time. And
you don't do that wearing flashy colors.

Speaker 2 (02:03):
I think, no, you don't want to glitter in the field.

Speaker 3 (02:06):
Yeah, there's like a couple of times, Hey, you're fighting
a dragon, glitter up. That dragon will see no matter what.

Speaker 1 (02:11):
Yeah. Do you think Harry Potter's invisible cloak was actually
just camo?

Speaker 3 (02:16):
It sounds like it would be camo.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
It's camouflage, a camouflage. It's not invisible. What No, it's
just camo pattern?

Speaker 3 (02:24):
Oh yeah, yeah, it just blends the holy shit, wol
Harry go.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
It's not Yeah, well there was no actual invisibility to
it at all. It was just jungle pattern.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
He got it from a bass Pro shop.

Speaker 2 (02:35):
It's a poncho.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Actually, they have the best realize this.

Speaker 3 (02:38):
They have their own camo patterns at bass Pro.

Speaker 1 (02:40):
I believe it. It's amazing.

Speaker 2 (02:41):
I mean, why would you take someone else's It's a
fun place. Yeah, I love bass Pro shops, wonderful. We
want to take the kids there so they can look
at fish yeah.

Speaker 3 (02:49):
Yeah, items, and yeah, get them a baby gun or
a bone arrow, probably a.

Speaker 2 (02:55):
Live at like a real bone arrow, you know what
I mean. Yeah, live rounds type of situation.

Speaker 3 (02:59):
Yeah, they may children's want children's ones sharp?

Speaker 1 (03:02):
Yeah, good, that's what I want.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
I had to use a children's bow once to defend
my my friend's property when I was like ten from
what uh well, it turned out to be nothing, but
his front door was open and we were like, oh no,
the door's open, and hanging just inside the front door
was like a bow from essentially Walmart, like a ten

(03:26):
pound draw and I just picked it up and with
like real era Yeah, and I walked through his house
his cuse, thinking someone was like in there in this miracles.

Speaker 1 (03:38):
It was probably the Russians. It was a red dnson.

Speaker 3 (03:40):
They just like there was no one there. It was
a mirror open.

Speaker 2 (03:43):
A parent didn't get an arrow to the stomach.

Speaker 3 (03:46):
Ye, parents weren't there luckily as well, because they would
have definitely at that time gotten an arrow somewhere.

Speaker 1 (03:51):
It was on site.

Speaker 3 (03:52):
Yeah, if I saw a movement, I'm shooting.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Yeah, I'm letting as you should though, you know, yeah,
you're just defending the homeland.

Speaker 3 (03:58):
But that was that was really fun.

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Not his homeland, America his homeland.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
He was an expeditionary force into someone else's home.

Speaker 3 (04:06):
No, it was my homeland because I've found out recently
that I'm some sort of Native American.

Speaker 1 (04:12):
Yeah you're what are you Mexican? Yeah? Yeah, all of
you are.

Speaker 3 (04:15):
I didn't know that until like three months ago.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
It is a mixture. That is literally what a Mexican is.
Now would I know that because you are one? I'm
half that's enough.

Speaker 3 (04:25):
Yeah, but I don't talk to the Mexicans.

Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, fair enough.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
We had a Latina co worker, actually Gabby's sister b
one time like, yeah, I'm of Spanish descent, and I
was like, you have so much Native American bloody, Like you're.

Speaker 1 (04:39):
Mexican you have so like I don't think I do.
Like I know you do.

Speaker 2 (04:42):
I know, based on nothing but what you look like
and where you say you're from. You have Native American bloody.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
I mean, once I found out, I do take a
liking to turquoise mm hmm and rocks in the wind.
I think my ancestors are finally talking.

Speaker 1 (04:59):
To the wind speak dude, do you have a gecko tattoo?

Speaker 3 (05:02):
A gecko? No, I have an arrow, So that's native.

Speaker 1 (05:07):
Yeah, that's kind of like white girl in Austin. Yeah,
you need to.

Speaker 2 (05:10):
Get like Mexican native, like one of those stone like
club swords that Aztecs had, you know what I mean,
right down the fucking Do you have one on this forum?

Speaker 3 (05:20):
Nothing over here?

Speaker 1 (05:20):
Yeah, that's what you need to That's what you need
to get.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
Just go full native.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
Yeah yeah, or actually extend out the BUCkies tattoo to
where the beaver is holding it.

Speaker 3 (05:31):
I like that idea. Yeah, that's genius.

Speaker 2 (05:33):
Because it's it combines both your Texan and Mexican heritage.

Speaker 1 (05:37):
Mexicans. Yeah, boy, Rob, this interests really been so much anarchy.

Speaker 2 (05:42):
It has and we're talking anarchy today because I feel
like Scott is one of our most anarchical Is that
a word?

Speaker 1 (05:51):
Guests? You know what I mean? Just lives a free life. Yeah. Also,
you're welcome for that. Alley up the topic before. I
thank you for once you.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
Didn't know the topic beforehand because I mentioned it, Scott asked,
Usually I don't like to tell the people, but it
was like five minutes before, so that's good enough. Today
we are talking one of the most influential anarchists of
the Gilded Age. Anarchism was essentially like socialism or communism
before socialism and communism got hot, which means like the

(06:22):
thing every insufferable leftist was into in the like eighteen
sixties to nineteen tens.

Speaker 3 (06:31):
That makes sense.

Speaker 2 (06:32):
Yeah, this was like text book annoying leftist antifa went
to college and learned too much, but none of it
is useful type of political belief.

Speaker 1 (06:43):
What happened in like your day to day life. Because
you're kind of on this anarchist kick, we did an
episode on the Patreon pateon dot com saus software history.
You're just really into it right now. You've read in
a book. Was there a TV series? Certainly any inspirations
having the kids less.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Likely than me reading a book right now, is me
watching a TV show somehow because I just don't have
time for any of it. No, I've always been fascinated
by anarchists because they are like such a good modern
comp or such a good historical comp to modern like
one sect of a not modern like annoying political factions.
And uh, it just really ties into our shows. Mancha

(07:23):
of shit don't change because almost everything you'll hear from
this episode after we get through Emma's childhood, which very
much shit has changed there. But like once you get
into like her political beliefs and like the things she
says and the way she cops out, you'll be like, oh,
this sounds like anyone. For example, h the other day
the Democratic Socialists And by the way, this is not

(07:44):
a right wing podcast, but I do like to dunk
on leftists and crazy right.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Don't anyone assumes a right? No, I understand that.

Speaker 2 (07:52):
I understand that. But the other day, the Democratic Socials
of America were like, free the guy who killed those
two Jewish people outside the embassy because he did nothing
wrong because Israel is bad.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
Yeah, I heard. He was like, They're like, do you
need a water? Ye a sandwich or something. Yeah, and
he was like, who do you think did it?

Speaker 2 (08:10):
And they're like, I don't know, and then he pulled
out a Kifa and goes.

Speaker 1 (08:12):
I did it.

Speaker 2 (08:13):
Like literally, We're like, sweet dude, sweet Christopher Nolan, reveal
you were the bad guy the whole time.

Speaker 1 (08:21):
I think there was like a two man chant going
see absolute scenes.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
Who do you like more of the anarchists from the
eighteen hundreds or like the antifa leftist now.

Speaker 2 (08:33):
Well, the anarchists killed a lot more people, a lot
more people. We did all episode on the Patreon. If
you liked this episode, check out the Patreon, Patreon, dot
com slash off Forristory. We did an episode on all
the bodies they got.

Speaker 1 (08:43):
Oh shit and bombs.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
They killed a ton of people. There were two like
Oklahoma City level not I mean, there were two major
terrorist attacks that they did just in the United States
that you've never heard of. The Wall Street bombing was huge,
and they also killed like six or seven major major
national leaders over like a twenty year period, including US

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President William McKinley.

Speaker 3 (09:09):
All Right, I didn't know any of that.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
It's a huge mea couple on your part. You forgot
to mention one of the bombers super hot. What there's
a hot anarchist.

Speaker 2 (09:18):
If you're a hot guy from history. I just saw
a random photo the other day, like a random guy,
and I was like, there's that's a time traveler. There's
no way anyone could have been that hot back. Yeah,
that doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (09:27):
There's definitely hot.

Speaker 1 (09:28):
But also the president just eat it up nowadays, like.

Speaker 2 (09:31):
I think they eat ate it up then too, I
mean too in your Sniper episode on Patreon, how they
were just constantly like, all right, miss Russian, go, you've
killed a lot of Nazis, But why he's so ugly?

Speaker 3 (09:43):
Your face has a hole in it from shrapnel.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
You're not an attractive woman. Put on some makeup doll.
I'd want to be. I'd want to be shot too.
Looking at you, I understand why those Gummans walked in
front of your site. So I think it's always that
might always be the case. Yeah, But anyway, let's talk
about Emma Goldman, who I'll give you my hypothesis on
her from the top, which is her life growing up

(10:09):
was orderless and full of anarchy in a way that
I think she just turned around and felt everyone should
live as shitty of a life as I did. I
feel like that was like the deep subconscious motivation.

Speaker 1 (10:26):
Isn't that everyone's motivation nowadays too? What I'm miserable, you
should be too. Yes, shit don't change, Shit don't change.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
But I'm happy and you should be happy now. I
wasn't happy when I got here, was very tired. But
I'm like a beer and a half in now and
I'm fucking Jimmy Cricket, So I'm good.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I feel great.

Speaker 3 (10:45):
It doesn't take much to get out of the house
have a beer.

Speaker 2 (10:47):
Oh boy. I don't want to say I know what
emancipation feels like, but.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
I have an inkling anyway. Uh. I mean I could
have just went with like last day of school, but
you went emancipatient.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
Okay, yeah, I'm just I'm giddy now. I'm feeling as
good as I've felt all day. I've been hung over
from a melowtonin and it's.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
Just do you think some of those slaves, though that
weren't grinders, were like, fuck, this is on me now right. Look,
I'm a sharecropper now.

Speaker 3 (11:23):
A lot of.

Speaker 2 (11:24):
Human beings were enslaved, and it would not surprise me
if some small section of them felt like, no, I
had it pretty good.

Speaker 1 (11:34):
Yeah, I'm just saying I gotta find my own. There's
so fucking.

Speaker 2 (11:37):
Many of them, like the it's such a large sample
size that you're going to get all outcomes. That's all
I'm saying. That's not doesn't mean they were right. I'm
just saying you're gonna get all outcomes from like ten
million people or whatever. It was, so Emma Gold just happy.

Speaker 1 (11:53):
The pastiest guy here said that.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Yeah, yeah, wide, I've never even seen a field with
my eyes.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
Me and Lopeze look like we just got off the fucking.

Speaker 2 (12:05):
You can tell who has who has high class blood
running through their veins and who does I have Native blood?

Speaker 1 (12:14):
Yeah? I said it. I said that right.

Speaker 3 (12:16):
You can't listen to the trees like I can't.

Speaker 2 (12:19):
Trees don't say anything.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Now that attitude, my friend.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Oh boy, that must be bad too. If you were
like some conquisa do or was like here, like the
trees are talking to you, and he's like, cut that, dumb, Kevin.

Speaker 1 (12:32):
The trees have PTSD, bro, you know you a PTSD.
You're murdering trees.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Every tree to a Native American is the giving tree.
They're all like, hey, can I give you today?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
Can't hear them?

Speaker 2 (12:43):
Is like cut them down and you're just crying.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
Sorry.

Speaker 2 (12:49):
Samma Goldman was born into an Ortho Orthodox Jewish family
in Lithuania, which was then in the Russian Empire.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
Her mom Tobe tob I don't know well.

Speaker 2 (13:00):
She actually got married at fifteen to a different man
than her father, Emma's father. She had two daughters with
that guy, but her first husband died of tuberculosis, and
Taub was devastated.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
So different every time, Tobe tob No. I think you
should just go with a different pronunciation every time.

Speaker 2 (13:21):
Taby Yeah, Toby was devastated. Goldman later wrote, and I
feel bad during this episode almost because it's really scratching
the surface. She wrote a two part autobiography. She wrote
several other books about her life, like In Different Places.
This is a full, like softcore history, scratch the surface episode.
I mean, you can go deep into this woman's life.
That's quite fascinating, even though I think she kind of sucks.

(13:41):
Goldman wrote, whatever love, my mother had died with the
young man to whom she had been married at the
age of fifteen. Now, ell, yeah, remember I said that,
Goldman was not the daughter of the first Man. So
Goldman was born into a loveless family because her mom
remarried to a guy she wasn't really that into her

(14:02):
family set it up. His name was Abraham Goldman and
he was not good at anything.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Dude, love was invented in the fifties by Hallmark to
sell cards.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
That's not true, and I will I will counter your
argument with one of your own episodes. Do you remember
that Roman emperor who had sex with babies? Yes, now
this is going somewhere. Doesn't have anything to do with the
babies really, except that he did Tiberius. Tiberius was driven
insane by the fact that Augustus made him leave the

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woman he loved.

Speaker 1 (14:41):
I think that might have been an excuse for having
little fishes.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
This emperor would have. He would go into nursing mom's
huts or whatever and be like, give me your baby,
and they'd be like why, I mean, take his wiener
out and have.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Them nurse that.

Speaker 2 (15:08):
Yeah, this episode is brought to you by he was
sad and that's what made him happy. You're hungry for
a little fish?

Speaker 1 (15:17):
Uh, just perceive what the topic did. I'm cutting this
all out.

Speaker 2 (15:24):
No, no, Abraham. The main theme in his life is
abject failure.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
So again, I kind of get where Goldman hates society
and uh doesn't really like anything because her home life
sucks and her dad can't get a single business off
the ground. And god, he tried. He took all of
Toby's inheritance from her first marriage when her husband died,
invested it in a business. That business immediately failed and
all the money was lost. So Abraham, being you know,

(15:57):
a failure in that and then multiple other businesses, is like, oh,
oh my god, Okay, I'm going to get my wife pregnant,
and I really hope I have a son, because if
I have a daughter, it's more proof than I'm a failure.
Oh fuck, So Emma was born, although he did eventually
have three sons. His father, or her father, was you know,

(16:18):
a kind of maybe a typical man of the time,
who knows he used violence to punish his children when
they disobeyed him, and Emma was the most rebellious and
her mom at this point checked out on the world
because the man she loved died of tuberculosis when she
was seventeen or something.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
Was like, hey, stop, I mean get a grip, you're seventeen,
you'll be okay, God, living in the past.

Speaker 2 (16:43):
Like that, gross, it's disgusting. But so the mom barely intervened.
She just was I think she was pretty checked out
on life at that point.

Speaker 1 (16:51):
Based on what.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Emma said about her. Goldman also later speculated, I think
in one of her biographies or something, that her father's
furious temper was probably because he was sexually frustrated.

Speaker 1 (17:07):
You don't say, he.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
Wasn't getting one he needed from Toby, and yeah, took
it out on.

Speaker 1 (17:15):
The kids physically or also sexually. Just physically.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Okay, we'll get into sex crimes later, great, but yes,
just physically. When Emma was a young girl, the family
moved to I don't know, somewhere else, but I think
just somewhere else in the Russian Empire where her father
ran in. Her sisters worked there, and that was when

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she first became sexually aroused. I guess by one of
the servant boys that worked there. Nothing really comes to.

Speaker 3 (17:45):
That was she aroused.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
She was later while living there, she witnessed a peasant
being whipped in the street with a knife.

Speaker 1 (17:58):
That's a new one.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Yeah, you don't know how that works, really that's.

Speaker 3 (18:02):
A that's a slashing lashing.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Yeah, she's getting hit with the like handle.

Speaker 2 (18:10):
Yeah, it's called a knout. It's a Russian whip of course,
the Russians vandas that consists of a rawhide thong or
rope attached to a long wooden handle knife.

Speaker 1 (18:23):
I guess I don't know.

Speaker 2 (18:24):
Uh so, Yeah, cool whipped with that and this event
traumatized her for the rest of her life. And that
was when just seeing this, just seeing this made her
hate authority.

Speaker 3 (18:41):
Dude, she's just like her mom seventeen, husband dies. Now
she's a child. She's a whipping.

Speaker 2 (18:47):
I'm sorry, it's it's not a knife, it's as just
a long wooden handle on the end. So essentially it's
a long piece of like wood attached to a whip.
That's just like essentially someone's getting more RPMs, more mph
on the piece of wood.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
That makes way more sense.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
Yeah, I don't know what.

Speaker 1 (19:02):
I don't know why I said that.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
So, yeah, she saw this and was like, fuck the man,
fuck this.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
She saw a dirty hobo get beat.

Speaker 2 (19:14):
Didn't even ask what the guy did it if it
was like, no, he was molesting an entire school. She
didn't ask she didn't ask. At the age of seven.

Speaker 1 (19:28):
She painted her own narrative exactly are they stealing food
for his family?

Speaker 2 (19:33):
That is actually kind of a story of her life.
She really likes to paint her own narrative onto things.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
And we'll get to that.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
At the age of seven, they moved to the German
Empire in the Prussian city of Knesberg, and she was
enrolled in school. One of the teachers punished disobedient students,
including Goldman in particular because she was always disobedient, by
beating their hands with a ruler typical.

Speaker 1 (19:58):
Catholic school sh you know what, the big fucking due.
We'll be honest.

Speaker 2 (20:03):
Now this one, I could understand her hatred for another
teacher was fired for trying to molest his female students,
and he, I guess, was successful a lot until Goldman
fought back and they found out and he was finally fired.

Speaker 3 (20:20):
I mean, good for that school for firing someone for
that whatever. It feels like that sounds like a normal
thing and back then, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 1 (20:28):
Yeah, it's the risk you kind of run just being
in that era, kind of.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
Like I'm an f oh no, that's that is a
funny thing about what people say today, it's like there's somebody,
god dude, pedophiles, Like it's got to be the lowest
per capita in the history of Earth, like by far.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And then you hear of all like the serial killers
in like the eighteen early nineteen hundreds, and you hear
about their childhoods and you're like, oh, that makes sense. Yeah,
I get it, I get it.

Speaker 2 (20:56):
And honestly, she lived kind of a serial killer childhood herself,
to be honest all she get.

Speaker 3 (21:01):
A hit in the head at a young age too.

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Almost certainly, Yeah, although it's not recorded in here. I mean,
if her dad's beating her, you one would imagine hard. Yes,
So she was a passionate student. You're blaming it on
CTE Lopez as I should. Yeah, okay, all right, I
mean everyone should. Yeah, she didn't go into concussion protocol.
It does rearrange brain and bad ways as we As

(21:26):
we've discussed.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Before, she had to take a couple of plays off.
She didn't take any plays off.

Speaker 2 (21:31):
She was grinder real jim rat, which is actually true
because she passed an exam for an admission to a gymnasium.
She was gonna get into a gymnasium.

Speaker 1 (21:41):
Oh, gymnastics too. They have a lot of ct.

Speaker 3 (21:44):
Yeah they've flipping the air and bam.

Speaker 2 (21:46):
Yeah they don't the neck, No, nothing even hits them
so much as they just scramble their brains in the air.

Speaker 3 (21:51):
It's just gravity.

Speaker 1 (21:52):
Oh and that. Yeah, well they hit the ground hard.
They fell quite often, fall quite a bit as well.
They're not just nailing perfect routine, but I.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Mean it does suck them up, even just doing the flip.
Remember some own Biles had to tap out because she
like had like vertigo. Basically she had a minty b Dude,
that wasn't vertigo, No it was she said. Yet well
she said she had the twisties.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I'll take her word for it. They call it the twisties.
I used to hit mctwist all the time. That was
my favorite flip. What is how does it? Was that entail?
Just like a one eight flip?

Speaker 3 (22:23):
Okay, yeah, it's a ya backflip one eighty and then
the twist is you in the air just looking backwards?

Speaker 1 (22:29):
Yeah, you're fucking sick. Bro. Did you throw up the
jaw every time? Yeah? Bro, just I'll fucking nail one
on you right now, do it.

Speaker 2 (22:40):
I I did push ups on the show the other day.

Speaker 1 (22:42):
Fucking do it what? I don't know if that made
the episode. It was a read for the ad. That's right,
it's fit bod. Yeah, but it wasn't on video, so
there's no proof. There is no proof. God damn it.
He didn't think I could do twenty push ups. I
think you could. He impressed, appreciate it. Yeah, I might

(23:02):
not be able to right now. Yeah, you bitch, you
do twenty push My shoulders and just such dire straits.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
Fuck that you're taking PDS.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
I know I am injecting right to the shoulder. I
actually feel great. So I had a chest today.

Speaker 3 (23:15):
That's why I'm wear this tank topped to show off
my new physique.

Speaker 1 (23:18):
Let's go. I'm aroused. Say utah, body, I've lost a pound.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Someone's gonna see you three hundred years from now and
be like, whoa people were that hot in the past.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
Yep, wizards could pull off that pod.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
God damn dude. So the family. Oh, so she got
into the gymnasium, but because she was so unruly in school,
not just when teachers were trying to molest her that
her religion teacher was like, no, fuck you, I'm not
writing I'm not saying she didn't give the certificate of
good behavior she needed to get in, or the religion

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teacher didn't, so she was unable to attend Gymnasium. The
family moved back to Russia to Saint Petersburg, where her
father opened one unsuccessful store after another.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
Damn, he's just going from like pyramid schradame, I fucking
go to door selling shoes.

Speaker 2 (24:11):
Like he just comes into the house one day and
he's like, I tell you, buttons, buttons are the thing.
Everyone has button on colt. If I make button store,
who will not buy buttons?

Speaker 1 (24:20):
You know?

Speaker 2 (24:21):
And then just like he can't run a business, and
everyone's like, what the fuck is this button shop?

Speaker 3 (24:25):
He tried to invent the zipper.

Speaker 2 (24:26):
Yeah, he goes off button horrible.

Speaker 1 (24:29):
I realized at the button store, I make thing. I
wasn't wrong. I was just early, yeah exactly.

Speaker 2 (24:37):
And then the wife's like just checked out on Laudenham.

Speaker 1 (24:40):
She's like, no, you were wrong.

Speaker 2 (24:42):
And then he's like God just hits the kids. And
then Emma's like, I like anarchy. I don't know, I
don't know the name for it yet, but that's what
I want.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
And this is how fucking Vladimir Lenin comes to power.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Kind of, it's just that whole country.

Speaker 1 (24:57):
She actually she isn't a special case spoiler alert.

Speaker 2 (25:02):
Later in the episode, has a meeting with Lennon, has
a face to.

Speaker 1 (25:06):
Face I'm not bragging about that.

Speaker 2 (25:09):
She wouldn't either, and we'll get to it. So as
a teenager in Russia, Goldman was like, Dad, please let
me go back to school, Papa please, And she was just.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Bagging him, bagging him.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
And eventually he with his button store and you know,
underwater and everything. He was just like, fuck this, and
he took her French book, threw it in the fire
and shouted. Girls do not have to learn much. All
a Jewish daughter needs to know is how to prepare
geffelta fish, cut noodles fine, and give the man plenty
of children. All right, Yeah, so school was a no.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
They've come a long way. They have women in the
army now.

Speaker 2 (25:49):
Israel idea fatties in the army room.

Speaker 1 (25:52):
Yeah, gal Gado's.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
I'm just saying, if you want want to look at
good propaganda, dive into idf TikTok.

Speaker 3 (25:58):
I love watching there, Like there's like pictures or videos
of their reservists that are shopping out of Macy's with
like a rifle on their back. Yeah, it's the hottest
chick you've ever seen. Jews has a rifle loaded, ready
to go somewhere.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
What does that do to you?

Speaker 2 (26:14):
As a man who works in a gun and gun manufacturing.

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Everything does everything for me. That's all I want is
a woman who either like wants to learn how to
shoot or can shoot.

Speaker 2 (26:26):
You need to get yourself in ISRAELI Yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (26:29):
Mean, are they coming yet? Are they here? There's just
raley girls here, like they should flee more.

Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, that's kind of the problem with the you know,
Palestinians in Gaza covered in blood and dirt and stuff.
It's like clean up. Yeah, but think we need better propaganda.

Speaker 2 (26:45):
Yeah, it's the problem is that they don't. Because Israel
is a Western country, they can show all the goodies.

Speaker 3 (26:51):
Yeah, you gotta show more than ankle.

Speaker 2 (26:53):
Yeah, you know, and that would turn the tide of
the war, I think.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
I think. So you're really turning people off with all
the dead babies.

Speaker 2 (27:00):
Yeah, you don't parade those out. Israel's got dead babies too,
But they're showing.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
Batties, show more ass.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
It's ass wins wars is what Napoleon said.

Speaker 3 (27:13):
They would sell war bonds left and right.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
Yeah, yeah, I mean that is kind of how they
sold war bonds in World War Two. Every show had
like a good example of that is in the First
Captain of America movie, right, he gets introduced out with
a bunch of hot chicks. That was like every war
bond fucking thing ever.

Speaker 3 (27:28):
That was John Basilone. Yeah, he was just like some
actress or something. I don't know who the fuck she was,
some famous chick. They would just walk around together.

Speaker 1 (27:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (27:37):
They got dudes with a babe. Yeah yeah, all boys
fuck yeah, Japanese don't fuck yeah.

Speaker 1 (27:44):
By Wall bonds wasn't good enough for John though. John
had to go back.

Speaker 3 (27:48):
No, yeah, John need to get some John met that
wife and got married immediately, then got blown up.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
He didn't go back till after he got married. So
he got married and then he was like like, oh boy.

Speaker 1 (28:01):
I'd rather charging machine gunnessing this ship and got his
wish yep. Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:09):
Anyway, so Goldman just kind of educated herself after that.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (28:14):
She studied the political turmoil around her because the a
lot of Russian ship was going on at the time,
including this was what first awakened her, although she didn't
quite understand.

Speaker 1 (28:24):
It sexually, spiritually, all probably all the above.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Uh the assassination of our boy, Alexander the second of Russia.
That she was like, oh, that's interesting, that's fun.

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Alex two or Alex three? Do sure?

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Alex three was the uh his son who was the hass.

Speaker 3 (28:44):
Well they both got assassinated.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
No, no, Alex three did not getssassinate. Alex two got assassinated.
That'd be a fun lineage.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
Yeah, right, well Alex two and his grandson both got assassinated.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
There you go, Nicholas, that's fun.

Speaker 2 (28:58):
So she read the novel What is to Be Done,
the Russian novel, and she found a role model and
the protagonist, Vera, who adopted a nihilist philosophy, which is
sort of like pre I mean, you know what nihilism is,
but in that time period, it was sort of like
the gateway to anarchy. Anarchism, and this character, you know,
escaped her repressive family and went to live in a

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sewing co op. So she was like, that sounds sweet.
I want to do that. Her dad, meanwhile, consistent, consistently,
was like, you're gonna get married and have babies.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
You're sixteen, come on, let's go.

Speaker 2 (29:36):
They fought about the issue constantly. He complained that she
was becoming a loose woman. She insisted she would only.

Speaker 1 (29:42):
Marry four money love.

Speaker 2 (29:46):
He was the money one. She was like love or nothing.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
Yeah, but they love money. Women love money, bitches be
so it is love. Yeah, I guess that's true. What
kind of love is? It doesn't matter?

Speaker 3 (30:04):
And they love of time with their partner and time
is money again money?

Speaker 1 (30:10):
Oh, grind culture, yep, grind culture. Is it all goes
back to them dollars. So she was working at a corset.

Speaker 2 (30:17):
Shop at the time, and she really further became just
turned off to her current life when Russian military officers
and other men were constantly aggressively and I mean aggressively,
not like come on, buy drink, buy a drink, I
mean like bad Russian aggressive hitting on her. One man

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took her into a hotel room and sexually assaulted her.
She felt that encounter forever soured her interactions with men.
Not wrongly so, I would imagine, although she did go
on to get married a couple times and have people
she fell in love with. In eighteen eighty five, her

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sister Helena.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
These are fun toxic relationships, though she's like breaking bottles
over their head.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
The relations none of the relationships are great, but she
does fall in love.

Speaker 3 (31:09):
Dude, A Russian toxic relationship sounds terrifying. Yeah, that sounds
like the worst toxic relationship.

Speaker 1 (31:17):
Something any Western man is built for us. Every day
could be your last. Yeah, because they could take you
out easily.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
If the tiniest Russian man yelled at me right now,
I'd be scared.

Speaker 2 (31:25):
Or like, I would just not put it past any
Russian woman to like, even if you could take her,
she'd poison your ass.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
She wants to see it slowly happen. Yeah, stands over
you smoking a cigarette.

Speaker 4 (31:37):
You are never really man. You think you're so tough,
I mean, you're so clever, but here you are on
the floor dying like an asshole, you pussy.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Isn't that how we all want to die?

Speaker 3 (31:49):
Though?

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Honestly, with a Russian woman smoking over our.

Speaker 3 (31:53):
Any babe poisoning us kind of sick.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Yeah. I've always kind of seen myself, especially at my
new apartment, kind of bleeding out in the pool. Yeah,
after I got shot by a femme fatale. Sunset boulevard style.
It's a good pool.

Speaker 2 (32:10):
That's the dream, just one more like you're just you
know it's over, and you're just it hurts like hell,
but you're like you got you got it right in
the lung.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Yeah, but you don't care.

Speaker 3 (32:20):
You can't make a noise if you die, and you're like,
oh fuck, if you're making noises while you die, you're
a bitch. Also, you have to just take it. Remember
when you're a.

Speaker 1 (32:29):
Kid and you're just kind of like holding your breath
underwater in the pool like that.

Speaker 3 (32:34):
I still do.

Speaker 1 (32:35):
I would, I would kind of enjoy it as I die.
I think a little pardon me.

Speaker 3 (32:38):
Yeah, and then your blood looks really cool in the water,
like just spreads way quicker.

Speaker 1 (32:44):
That's awesome. It's pretty sweet. You guys want me to
kill you that way. There's worse ways to go. I
don't want you to kill me. Oh you want a lady, Yeah,
ladies got to do it. The gun.

Speaker 3 (32:54):
I'll find this is Israeli chick, and she'll do it.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean, court, you'll probably do it, I said, feen fatale, Okay,
not mom of three.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
No, I'll teach her how to shoot and then she'll
be cool. Yeah, then it'll work out.

Speaker 1 (33:08):
Yeah, she's got no edge. It's not bad enough. I'm
gonna text you that right out. Dan said, you don't
have enough edge to kill him.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
I said, Dan says, you have no edge live on
the show. So we'll see what she says back.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
So she's like a wheel of cheese.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
Wow, I'm not sending her that, uh not like physically, well,
I want to actually send her that out. Dan says,
you're like a wheel of cheese dot dot dot physically.

Speaker 1 (33:45):
Oh my god. All right.

Speaker 2 (33:46):
So her sister's gonna move to New York and she
wants to go with her sister, and her dad's like,
fuck that, you're getting married, you're staying here. So Goldman
is like, if you don't let me go, I'm gonna
throw myself in a fucking river that right by our house.
Finally the fought that agrees, and in eighteen ninety five
they go to New York.

Speaker 1 (34:03):
Yes.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
I didn't think this was going to go to America.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
Oh yeah, she's in America. In America.

Speaker 3 (34:07):
Fuck yes, dude.

Speaker 2 (34:08):
So she gets there and, by the way, her parents
leave like a few years later, because believe it or not,
there's rising anti Semitism in Russia.

Speaker 1 (34:17):
It happens every decade or so.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
It's like the Olympics. Honestly, summer and winter.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
It's every two years somewhere in the world they're going
to be hosting some anti.

Speaker 2 (34:27):
Juice at her She got a new job and Goldman
met a fellow worker named Jacob Kirshner. They liked books
and traveling and blah blah blah. After four months of
knowing each other, they married in eighteen eighty seven. On
their wedding night, Miss Lucky everything coming up Goldman so

(34:49):
far in life. On their wedding night, she finds out
that the love of her life, his dick don't work.
Oh and not just for the night, whiskey dick Like
he's just impotent.

Speaker 1 (35:03):
There's actually nothing down there, a smooth board. Fuck he can't.

Speaker 2 (35:09):
So he's like so like they get married and they
get into the hotel room, and he's like, Okay, now
is probably the.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Time to tell you. He could still be in your corner.
But now you get to be freaky. Now you have
your pick a litter.

Speaker 2 (35:24):
It's nothing a splint and some foreplay won't fix.

Speaker 1 (35:26):
As far as I'm concerned. He's still got a tongue, right, Yeah,
you could do stuff.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
So before long the relationship became emotionally and of course
physically distant, and he started getting jealous and suspicious that
she was running around with guys who had operational dicks,
and he was like, if you leave me, I'll kill myself.

Speaker 1 (35:52):
Well, honestly, the fact that he hasn't with a non
working dick's kind of credit to him, right, Like, I'm
if my dick doesn't work, I'm just I'm out of
this world. You're done? What's the point?

Speaker 3 (36:04):
We all know someone to who, like whether it's a
guy friend or a girlfriend, who has had that relationship
of like they want to break up with someone and
they go, if you break up with me, I'm gonna
kill myself, And they never fucking do. But you know
they always believe, like, oh, I can't leave her because
she'll kill herself.

Speaker 1 (36:23):
Brother, she did, But what about the one time where
they do. Then you get the blood on your hands,
you get a little bit that fucking reality.

Speaker 3 (36:30):
Yeah, what's wrong with that, dude?

Speaker 1 (36:31):
That's in the back of your head.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
That's the state side in my eyes, Dude.

Speaker 2 (36:35):
He's supposed to do just sit around forever. Yeah, Yeah,
you can't give a man emotional CPR for the rest
of his life.

Speaker 1 (36:42):
Like a good Irish Catholic, you sit in that misery. Yeah,
like an Irish Catholic.

Speaker 2 (36:47):
Sex you don't eat sex anyway after you have your kids.
But you didn't have any kids, so that's the problem.
This whole time, Goldman was still, since the assassination of
Alexander the Second, very much into the politics around her
and stuff like that. And if the assassination of Alexander

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the Second awakened her, this event engaged her. This is
the event that brought her into not just politics but anarchism.

Speaker 1 (37:23):
The Paralympics.

Speaker 2 (37:25):
She got really into the Haymarket affair, the bombing in
the Chicago Haymarket in which I think like workers and
anarchists were clashing with police over maybe like strikes or
something like that. One of the anarchists threw a bomb,

(37:45):
killed seven cops. Whoa, And Emma Goldman was like, that's
pretty sweet.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
That's an impressive bomb.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Yeah, like most bombs these days throwing at someone doesn't
kill seven.

Speaker 1 (37:58):
Yep. It was the Haymarket affair. Hot dude. This is
what got her into it was lewis Ling. Look up
lewis Ling. I'll put a photo of him in the
WHOA video right now, look at this man. WHOA. The
Haymarket affair was done by a fucking stud. So he
totally convinced this woman to get insane and probably a

(38:21):
lot of other women. How does how's the guy look
that good? This is insane? Well, yeah, it's a handsome felt.

Speaker 2 (38:27):
Hell no, that's not handsome. That's starting shortstop.

Speaker 1 (38:32):
For the New York Yankees. Handsome.

Speaker 3 (38:33):
That's a piece, right, there's.

Speaker 1 (38:35):
Fucking incredible, THEO James type.

Speaker 2 (38:38):
So this is probably why she got super into the
Haymarket affair. If I had to guess she was, I
will say I she she was into the bombing full stop.

Speaker 1 (38:49):
She thought the bombing was sweet.

Speaker 2 (38:52):
However, in her defense, I will say she was also
outraged by the trials and executions afterwards, which were questionable.
They kind of just they might have got someone who
was responsible. But there was also a lot of patsies
and and people just on the fringes who had nothing
to do with the bombing, who were also tried and

(39:12):
imprisoned and in some cases executed. I believe a couple
of them were pardoned later. The ones who were just
given prison sentences because eventually they appealed and they were
like you.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Have you know, they were just on the ride. Yeah,
what did this broad look like? Ama?

Speaker 2 (39:25):
Uh not bann in her youth? You know, could she
catch it in the eighteen eighties? Certainly tall glass water
with what kind of feature? This is like young Emma
Goldman all right, cutie, Yeah, she ages like a Russian
woman though really short, really and also just like a

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woman of that era, like this is what she looked
like most of her life.

Speaker 1 (39:52):
That's not what she looked like sixty year old life.

Speaker 3 (39:57):
That's a brute.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
No, she's actually thirty two in that picure.

Speaker 3 (40:00):
You're probably she can, dude, she's cutting the firewood.

Speaker 2 (40:04):
Your only skincare routine in the eighteen eighties in any
city is cold smoke.

Speaker 1 (40:08):
Which, again, like I'm not saying this in like a
gay way. The fact that lewis Ling looks like this
first off in eighteen eighty seven, I.

Speaker 2 (40:16):
Will say it in a gay way, like that's so
good looking for that time.

Speaker 1 (40:19):
Period, it makes no sense.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
It's unbelievable.

Speaker 1 (40:23):
He's got like the perfect goatee manicure.

Speaker 2 (40:27):
I mean, just the facial structure, and who does that
back then?

Speaker 3 (40:30):
Who takes time to work on their facial?

Speaker 1 (40:33):
Good old barber, you got nothing but time? Really true?

Speaker 3 (40:35):
Fuck?

Speaker 1 (40:36):
I guess.

Speaker 3 (40:36):
I mean I go with like, what what I would do?
I would just be a filthy hobo, you know, I
would look just like a drifter. I'd be the guy
that gets killed somewhere from someone lives on the street.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
You're like John Rainbow walking through that town, except it
ends at.

Speaker 1 (40:53):
The first act.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, yeah, because you.

Speaker 1 (40:56):
Just get beaten to death by the sheriffs.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
And figuring do something cool like, oh, I'm not built
for this.

Speaker 1 (41:01):
Yeah. This dude honestly looks like my best friend from
back home, Matt. It's just an eighteen hundred version of him.
Love that.

Speaker 3 (41:08):
When's the last time we talked to Matt?

Speaker 1 (41:10):
I talked to him like every day? Oh listens to
the show? So what'st You're hot?

Speaker 3 (41:18):
You're eighteen eighties hot.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
So less than a year after the wedding, Kirshner and
Goldman divorced. He doesn't kill himself, believe it or not.

Speaker 3 (41:25):
Uh, like I said, yeah, they never do.

Speaker 1 (41:31):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (41:31):
Her parents at this point kick her out. She moves
to New York City on her very first day in
New York City, she goes to a cafe full of anarchists.

Speaker 1 (41:38):
Basically, but I'm sorry, we can't skip over this dude.
He blasted the bomb in his mouth?

Speaker 2 (41:47):
Did he the bomb that killed the cops?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Said suicide by blasting caps in mouth? Yeah, but I
don't think I think that was different.

Speaker 3 (41:54):
Then there's no way he killed seven cops with the
bomb inside your head.

Speaker 1 (41:57):
Yeah, that's not.

Speaker 3 (41:59):
That's why I mentioned like bombs these days is hard.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Okay, So it was like caps, Yeah, that would have
been sick if it was just a bomb that went
off in his.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
That that might injure a single person or like kill
someone an inch from your face.

Speaker 1 (42:13):
Yeah, I am. I would be disgusted by that, Like,
what a waste of that face? Yeah. So the guy
just kind of crushed a bunch of pills in his
mouth and then foamed out.

Speaker 3 (42:26):
Yeah, yeah, he detonated something. We've all seen drone footage
of Ukraine, Russia. Oh yeah, a single drone grenade doesn't
always kill the person that drops right on.

Speaker 1 (42:36):
Top of him. Yeah, he'll see him writhing around.

Speaker 3 (42:38):
So whatever explosive this guy had to kill seven is insane.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
Yeah, I'm sorry, I read that, and I got excited,
and then I thought about it as it was coming
out of my mouth. I'm like, this is very dumb.

Speaker 2 (42:49):
I wish that was the case, and I guess I
wish that was the case. Like he just was deep
throating a stick of dynamite.

Speaker 3 (42:56):
Like he he was the garbage truck and okay, see,
like he was just filled with manures height it was
a rider truck.

Speaker 1 (43:03):
Because it says blasting, I don't when you're crushing like
a cyanide pill, Look at what that means.

Speaker 2 (43:08):
Blasting caps. Blasting that's just that's just yeah, a dog.
If they can't, then if them cops cast me, I'm
on blast caps. I'll blasted caps.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Crushing a cap of cyanide, Okay, yeah, you kill yourself,
but blasting caps, it just sounds so extravagant, sounds awesome. Dude.

Speaker 3 (43:24):
Maybe his maybe each one of his teeth went to
the brain, Yeah, because it just blew his teeth out,
and that was the shrapnel that killed seven. Maybe his
jawbone hit someone else. You know, it's technically possible, but
and I'm gonna believe that that's what happened.

Speaker 1 (43:42):
Yeah, choose your own adventures. But I was very dumb.
I'm sorry for that aside. I see the floor, It's okay. Uh.

Speaker 2 (43:50):
So, on a first day in New York City, she
goes to a cafe full of anarchists and other activists,
and she meets anarchist Alexander Berkman, who's like, you should
come to my speech. I definitely. It's definitely not because
I want to bang you. They go to a speech.
So they go to another speech, not his speech, of
another anarchist, Jonathan Most uh and he talks about the
propaganda of the deed. The anarchists were essentially into this

(44:12):
thing where we can't just talk about it, can't just
be vibes and essays. We got to fucking kill people.
That's why they killed so many people. They were like,
we have to kill people. If we don't kill people,
no one will take us seriously. A lot of fucking people.

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Yeah, I'm too scared to fight anyone these days. Well,
I don't want to get punched. As as as your gun, yeah,
well I can't pull a gun into fist fight. I
have to accept the fact I'll get punched.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (44:40):
So Most took her under his wing and taught her
how to public speak and all this stuff.

Speaker 4 (44:45):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
She does her first public speaking gig and is enthralled
by it, keeps doing public speaking and but Most is
like trying to control her, be like, this is how
you're supposed to be an anarchist, this is how anarchists work.
You got to rep what I say because I'm like
the fucking king shit anarchist. Like, trust me, I know
what I'm doing. She quickly, who doesn't like any authority

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and by the way, there's a hierarchy in the anarchist society, like,
you gotta listen to me, I'm the king anarchist. Oh,
doesn't make a lot of sense. So she and Most
start arguing over her independence. After she goes on stage
one time and says basically whatever she wants, which is
what an anarchist should do. I suppose she gets back

(45:30):
to New York and Most is furious with her and says,
who is not with me is against me? And she's
kicked out of most anarchist crew.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
It's a confusing sentence.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
They're more eloquent back then.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
No, but most anarchist groups.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, mosts anarchist group. Now, most anarchist
groups love her, but mosts anarchist group, not so much. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
what's on second?

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Who's on fast? Most synarchist groups.

Speaker 2 (46:05):
Most anarchist groups don't like most anarchist group, A pole says,
so she gets kicked out. However, she had begun a
friendship with that guy Berkman, and before long they became
lovers and moved into a communal apartment.

Speaker 1 (46:22):
She's living like communal.

Speaker 2 (46:23):
Places her whole life. Like, she's living like eight people
to a fucking apartment constantly.

Speaker 3 (46:30):
Because it makes sense.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Property is bullshit and everyone needs to.

Speaker 1 (46:34):
Share a room. And if a bang sash.

Speaker 3 (46:37):
Breaks out, a bang sash, I mean she's living by
her own standards.

Speaker 1 (46:42):
Okay, so it is just nothing but orgies. I think
these people were pretty sexual. She swinging both ways.

Speaker 2 (46:48):
No, I didn't read that. Actually I didn't find that,
but it wouldn't surprise me if she tossed a finger.

Speaker 1 (46:53):
Or A body's a body at that point. Yeah, you're
in a pile.

Speaker 2 (46:56):
If you are an anarchist, you have to be a
pay and sexual.

Speaker 1 (47:01):
I don't even know what that means.

Speaker 3 (47:04):
A bisexual, that's that's bodies, yeah, pan sexual as bodies
of body holds a hole. Yeah, which is the same
as pie.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
But whatever, it holds a whole dog.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
Yeah, and a thang's a dang finger, dick tongue doesn't matter,
just get it?

Speaker 1 (47:20):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (47:21):
Just you just live a liberated life, you know what I.

Speaker 1 (47:23):
Mean at that time? Why not?

Speaker 2 (47:26):
I mean other than in fact everyone's kind of gross
and dirty.

Speaker 3 (47:28):
I'd be like, I'm sure they had running water.

Speaker 1 (47:30):
By then, right, some people now pant sexuals also have
sex with like inanimate objects. No, they're anybody. But why
aren't they just bisexual?

Speaker 2 (47:41):
Because idiot?

Speaker 1 (47:43):
Yeah, dude, we told you they fuck animals too.

Speaker 2 (47:48):
No, it's just people, men and women holes a hole.

Speaker 1 (47:52):
Okay, get it now.

Speaker 2 (47:55):
Not really Okay, let me explain it to you again.
It's a pand sexual and not a bisexual because.

Speaker 1 (48:05):
Attention.

Speaker 2 (48:07):
No, I ended my sentence at because okay, so you
get a grip, dude, idiot, grow up, Okay, Grandpa.

Speaker 1 (48:14):
Boomer be more accepting stuff being such a bigot.

Speaker 2 (48:20):
So in eighteen ninety two, Goldman joins Berkman and another guy.
They opened an ice cream shop. I guess just to
fund they're bullshit. After a few months of operating the shop.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Maybe she has learned from her dad just keep on
opening things.

Speaker 2 (48:34):
Well that's like all yeah, Like, I like, I guess
I didn't follow my parent footsteps, but I guess if
I did, like I would be an attorney. And she's
just like, oh, my dad was a failed businessman, so
I must be a failed businessman.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
I could have been a third generation water man, could
have been.

Speaker 2 (48:46):
A water treat, a work in the water fields.

Speaker 1 (48:50):
Just throwing chemicals in, throwing all the fluoride into chemicals,
making the population dumb. Got the flora, holde.

Speaker 2 (49:03):
Got the flora going to melt, that brain, going to
melt that brain.

Speaker 1 (49:09):
You're doing spirituals now, I don't know.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
It's a sea shanty, all right.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
Okay, yeah, it's that old Philadelphia waterman spiritual.

Speaker 1 (49:21):
Ask your dad, I'll sing it to you verbati. So
uh there.

Speaker 2 (49:29):
The Homestead strike breaks out in Pittsburgh. It's a big
strike against a steel mill or yeah, steel plant owned
by Andrew Carnegie. H When talks between the Carnegie Steel
Company and the union breakdown, management closes, the plant locks
out the workers, blah blah blah. They immediately go on strike.
Strike breakers are brought in hired by and the company

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hires Pinkerton guards to protect them. On July sixth, fights break.
A fight breaks out between three hundred pinkreding guards and
a crowd of armed union workers. During the twelve hour
gun fight, seven guards and nine strikers are killed. M
typical union shits. In the eighteen hundreds late eighteen hundreds.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
Pinkertons were no joke. They fuck.

Speaker 3 (50:11):
If they only killed nine in a twelve hour gunfight,
you sucked, dude.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
It was nine and seven. It wasn't like it a grip.
It wasn't the gunfights you're thinking of. This isn't Yeah,
it's just you were in the fucking military, like this
is this is all Actually it's not all amateurs. The
pinkertons are trained, but the union workers are amateurs, and
I think they're kind of just like peop.

Speaker 3 (50:34):
Yeah, little potshots they call it. Those are called pot shots. Yeah,
like a random just one off.

Speaker 2 (50:38):
Yeah, it's not a full on.

Speaker 3 (50:40):
And they go and they run away.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (50:42):
L shaped ambush like flanking this fucking you know what
I mean.

Speaker 3 (50:46):
Pinkertons didn't L shape that so well.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
The pinkertons might have, but the union workers won't. And
the pigadans were playing defense. Yeah, almost certainly, I would imagine.

Speaker 3 (50:55):
So you also gotta think, like, which I forget about
A lot is a lot of people people don't want
to kill someone mm hmm, like I'm gonna shoot at
them or around them, like I don't want it.

Speaker 1 (51:08):
I would imagine the hint that guy.

Speaker 2 (51:10):
I don't know about the War on Terror because I
feel like US soldiers are so well trained nowadays. But
I know in World War Two, a lot of people
because it was literally citizen soldiers like me and Dan
would have been in the army. Uh, we're just aiming
to keep people pinned down, Yeah, you know what I mean,
and letting other people kill them, whether it's artillery.

Speaker 1 (51:31):
That was certainly the case with that was a huge
thing in the Civil War, even like oh yeah, because
they didn't want to like shoot their fellow citizen.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
They found a lot they find a lot of bullet
holes in the Civil War, uh, in trees at a
point where it would be almost have to be purposefully aimed,
right when you're like fire the volley or whatever, and
you're just like, I don't want to kill anyone.

Speaker 1 (51:53):
Yeah, you're like, that's a fucking dude from Virginia.

Speaker 2 (51:55):
Here's my thought is that I'm standing in that line,
and I'm like, Okay, I don't want to kill anyone,
but I'm not certain that they don't want to kill anyone.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Yeah, exactly, So I'd be the first guy to drop
my muscle a little bit lower.

Speaker 2 (52:13):
Yeah, it is what it is, man Like, I'm sorry,
but I don't know what you want.

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I don't want to do it, but I don't know
what you want to do. Blame circumstance.

Speaker 3 (52:22):
You might really fucking hate me for no reason. Yeah,
so I'm gonna have to shoot you, bro.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
It is what I don't want to do it.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I don't want to do it, but I don't want.

Speaker 1 (52:30):
To get shot in the face by a miniball.

Speaker 3 (52:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (52:34):
Just bouncing around in there like a pinball machine real quick.

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The majority of the nation's newspapers actually express support for
the Strikers, and Goldman and Burke. Goldman and Berkman were like, Okay,
we're anarchists propaganda of the deed. We're going you assassinate
this guy, Frick, who is kind of one of the
guys in charge of the plant or whatever. Not Carnegie,
but another guy who's in charge of the plant. So

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they thought, hear me out, if you've heard this logic before,
if we killed this guy, all the workers in the
country will rise up and revolt against capitalism. If we
kill this one random guy whose name you would only
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entire country will rise up against their economics.

Speaker 1 (57:36):
Well, it's also like the Nike king, right, you take
off head Honcho, all of his henchmen and underlings, they
just die.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
Well, not even had Honcho, not killing Carnegie.

Speaker 1 (57:46):
This is a white walker, so you just gotta take
the head of Carnegie and everyone else falls.

Speaker 2 (57:52):
But they didn't do that, but they did go after Frick.
So Berkman said he would carry out the assassination. However,
the ice cream shop wasn't doing well, so you need
to find a way to get money to get him
to Pittsburgh.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
They should have opened the coffee shop. Yeah, nobody makes
better coffee than an anarchist. I agree. That's what they're
meant to do.

Speaker 2 (58:11):
Oh you're an anarchist.

Speaker 1 (58:13):
I bet you're a hell of barista. Oh yeah, my.

Speaker 3 (58:16):
Brother is literally that. But with tea, he acts. He
was in Portland. I'll limit what I say, but he
was in Portland during a lot of things, and he
just made tea.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:30):
Now now he's now he's in La making coffee.

Speaker 1 (58:34):
Same yeah. Yeah, but you go to like a local
mom and pop coffee shop, it's always a day then.

Speaker 3 (58:39):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (58:42):
He was just someone who's like, fuck the system, man,
and you're like, you're pretty good at that fucking cappuccino system.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Yeah, I mean, don't fuck that's love what you do.
I'm that guy.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
That's like if I walk into a place and they
have a Biden Harris or Hillary Clinton flag, I'm I'm
gonna get my coffee. Still, I'm not that dude. It's like,
I'm not going to support and give money to them.
That's probably a really good fucking coffee.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
And if it is, it's like saying you only want
your like you don't like immigrants, but you so you
only want your tacos to be made by like real
white tea exactly nothing.

Speaker 1 (59:18):
But for the hour.

Speaker 2 (59:18):
Yeah, you're fucking kidding me. Yeah, I don't want to
speak a word of it. I don't have to use
Google Translate to onder my fucking food.

Speaker 1 (59:24):
Now listen, do I want the flower tortillas? Of course? Yes.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
I have been at the gas station at the Frow neighborhood.

Speaker 1 (59:31):
There's a taco shop in there.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
No one speaks English and they have to ask me
what the meat I want and all that stuff. They
never ever ever ask me what tortilla I want?

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Is it laredo tacos?

Speaker 2 (59:46):
Is that something else for the name of it, But
they know they know.

Speaker 3 (59:51):
When I when I go to a like a Mexican
like meat market to get food, I will purposefully be
like hello, good afternoon when I introduce myself or like
say hi to them, so they know I don't speak Spanish. Yeah,
and then yeah, they'll assume I speak Spanish and head
it over. Remember, and You're like, I don't like dude,
half pound carnitas.

Speaker 1 (01:00:12):
He sounds like you're just from so Cow. You're like, oh, yeah,
you San Diego, Brita here.

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Well, purposefully whiten everything to make them like, oh, this
guy does.

Speaker 1 (01:00:22):
Not know you're not going in just being like, I'm
so tired, so sleepy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:27):
So Berkman is like, I'm going to carry out the attack.
Goldman's like, okay, we gotta get you some money. I'll
fund it. And she decided to do this through because
the ice cream shop wasn't work, and decided to do
it through prostitution. She's gonna sell herself on the street.
You get a taco and a cone with plenty of cream,

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you're semen. So she's working the street one day trying
to fund the assassination, and Goldman caught the eye of
a man and so he's like, come on, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:01:01):
Have a drink before we get down to business or whatever.
So they go in a saloon.

Speaker 2 (01:01:06):
He buys her a beer, gives her ten dollars, and goes, honey,
you don't have the knack for this business.

Speaker 1 (01:01:14):
Get off the street. I think he was going after
our looks. Wasn't the knack.

Speaker 2 (01:01:21):
No, he straight up said, you are not cut out
to He's like, I've had plenty of prostitutes. You're not
cut out to be a prostitute. Stop now. Goldman said
she was too astounded for speech. Quit prostituting immediately. When
her first customer was like, you ain't it?

Speaker 1 (01:01:40):
Yeah? I looked at her. She is not, you know
something I want to pay for?

Speaker 2 (01:01:45):
What do you think street prostitutes look like in the
fucking eighteen eighties?

Speaker 3 (01:01:50):
They don't look good.

Speaker 1 (01:01:51):
Now, that's a fair point.

Speaker 2 (01:01:58):
So she wrote her sister and was like, I'm sick.
Can you send me fifteen dollars?

Speaker 1 (01:02:01):
Her sister does so.

Speaker 2 (01:02:02):
Berkman gains access to Frick's office, carrying a concealed handgun, just.

Speaker 1 (01:02:07):
Having a handout, Yeah, fifteen bones.

Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
He gets into Frick's office, shoots Frick three times and
stabs him in the leg. Frick, why the leg, I
don't know, Maybe from oral artery, Maybe he's just nervous.
I don't think he's killed anyone before. So Frick is
sitting there wounded, and uh, these workers come in, like workers,
not Pinkerton people, whatever, workers, And Berkman's like, I did it?

Speaker 1 (01:02:33):
Aren't you happy?

Speaker 2 (01:02:37):
And the workers beat the christ out of them?

Speaker 3 (01:02:39):
Yeah, yeah, that's my dog. Dude, pays me fair wages.

Speaker 1 (01:02:44):
Dude, they catered lunch on Tuesday.

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Yeah, the workers who were striking beat the fuck out
of Berkman for shooting Frick. He's carried away by police unconscious.
Police then arrests Goldman as well, the voice.

Speaker 1 (01:03:00):
Of the working class very rarely uh you know, associate
with the working class. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:05):
I saw a funny like TikTok or real or something
from some like like he's liberal, but he's like kind
of redneck, kind of blue collar guy, and he's like, socialists,
every working class person you claim to fucking hates you,
fucking hates you. That's one of my favorite scenes in
Oppenheimer when they're all trying to organize for socialism and
Josh Hartnett buston and he's like, what the fuck do

(01:03:27):
you think you have in common with a grape farmer?

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
Are you kidding me? And they're all like, but where woo?
Theory only gets you so far? Rob it done exactly
so U.

Speaker 2 (01:03:42):
Everyone, the workers, the obviously, the Carnegie, other anarchists, even
everyone condemns the attacks, h and all this shit, and
she's furious.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:03:52):
She confronts one of her most her former pro like
her former mentalor on stage and whips him with a
whip and all this shit.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
But she later sa whips him with a knife. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah,
so yeah she hates that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:07):
What the fuck I know right, she whips them that
she later wrote, at the age of twenty three, one
does not reason. So she's twenty three when all this
is happening. If that sounds familiar to you. When the
Panic eighteen ninety three hits the following year, the US
is in an economic crisis, she starts speaking to huge
crowds because everyone's like, oh, we're in an economic crisis.
Maybe we want a different way. She says, we need

(01:04:27):
to take everything by force. She's arrested in Philadelphia, returned
to New York for trial.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
For welcome a riot handled business there.

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah. During the train ride, Jacob's offered the police offered
to drop the charges if she informs on her fellow anarchists.
She throws a glass of water in the CoP's face says,
fuck you, I'm not ratting anyone out. As she awaited trial,
Goldman was visited by a reporter by the name of Nellie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:54):
Bly Nellie Good Old Nelly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:57):
She spent two hours talking to Goldman and wrote a
positive article about Goldman, who and called her the modern
Joan of arc By the way, this woman just tried
to help assassinate a completely innocent man.

Speaker 1 (01:05:07):
But sure, you know they're not all his for Nelly.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
Despite the positive publicity, she was found guilty because the
jury was like, this bitch is crazy. She was sentenced
to a year in Blackwell is Island Penitentiary. Goldman was
released ten months later to a rock his crowd of
three thousand people. And then in November eighteen ninety nine,
she went to Europe to speak to a anarchist hovel
in London. Then her and her buddy Berkman traveled to

(01:05:40):
France to organize the most I guess, hypocritical sounding thing
in the world, the International Anarchist Congress.

Speaker 3 (01:05:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:05:52):
I just assume all this ends with.

Speaker 2 (01:05:55):
A lobotomy somehow. No, she lives a long fulfilling.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
Is it fulfilling? No? Actually she gets really sad at
the end and it's like my life sucked.

Speaker 2 (01:06:09):
In nineteen oh one, McKinley's assassin, Leon the Pollock tries
to meet up with her and multiple times they're.

Speaker 1 (01:06:19):
Like, this guy's weird. I don't want to talk to him, right.

Speaker 2 (01:06:22):
And anyway, he goes on to shoot McKinley. She gets
arrested again because they think she's part of it. Because
at this point she's a very famous anarchist. However, she's
eventually released when even the Pollock is like, yeah, she
wouldn't talk to me. I wanted to hang out with her,
but she didn't have anything to do with it. Still,
she was vilified in the press as the quote high

(01:06:44):
priestess of anarchy, and many newspapers not wrongfully declared the
anarchist movement responsible.

Speaker 1 (01:06:51):
For the murder.

Speaker 2 (01:06:52):
In the wake of these events of McKinley's assassination, this
is when socialism started to get more popular than anarchism
in the United States. After McKinley's assassin was executed, Goldman
kind of withdrew from society for a little bit. However,
when another anarchist was arrested, she joined the Free Speech

(01:07:14):
League to champion his cause. She returned to anarchists activism,
but it was taking her toll. Hunter, She wrote, I
never felt so weighed down. I fear I am forever
doomed to remain public property and have my life worn
out through the care of the lives of others. Nineteen
oh six, she started an anarchist publication. That same year,
Berkman was released from prison and carrying a bouquet of roses,

(01:07:35):
she met him at the prison because he went to
jail longer obviously for literally trying to kill the guy,
and she found herself seized by terror pity for how fucked.

Speaker 1 (01:07:43):
Up he looked.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
It took him weeks to adjust the outside a real
Brooks was here situation, and he actually bought a gun
and was gonna kill himself because he couldn't handle being
on the outside. But Goldman was arrested again with a
group of activists because they were They had a meeting
to talk about how McKinley's assassin was, you know, wrongly

(01:08:06):
executed because he was mentally ill, and uh, Berkman was like,
my resurrection has come and it reinvigorated him. However, the
relationship didn't last long because Berkman started banging a fifteen
year old.

Speaker 1 (01:08:23):
Hm.

Speaker 3 (01:08:24):
Fuck, that's worse than his dick not working.

Speaker 2 (01:08:26):
Yeah, I know. So Goldman was sad and you know whatever.
In the spring they broke up. In the spring of
nineteen oh eight, Goldman met and fell in love with
Ben Rightman, the so called hobo doctor okay, whose specialty
he was how he fixed up hobos or he was
a hobo both. Actually, dude, that would have been me

(01:08:47):
back then, yeah, it was both. He was a hobo
who became a doctor and then specialized in hobos overdoses.

Speaker 1 (01:08:54):
Yeah, some like stab wounds, yeah, apachia.

Speaker 2 (01:08:58):
Actually he specialized in s because hobos were just rotting
from syphilis and shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:05):
They'd be fucking yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:09:06):
I wouldn't want to be that dude anymore. Yeah, that's
a weird thing to look at. So he and Goldman
became lovers.

Speaker 2 (01:09:13):
However, since they shared a commitment to free love, and
she was like, well, I don't want to be a hypocrite.
I'm an anarchist. You can fuck whoever you want. I
guess he did, but she was jealous and she never
did because she really wanted to be monogamous but didn't
want to be a hypocrite.

Speaker 1 (01:09:28):
Essentially women. Yeah. Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:09:32):
So she gets really into birth control for a while,
gets arrested a couple times for that.

Speaker 1 (01:09:40):
Dude. It happens up.

Speaker 2 (01:09:43):
Big champion of birth control. Then this is where she
really gets in trouble.

Speaker 1 (01:09:47):
In the United States.

Speaker 2 (01:09:48):
World War one is closing in, It's already going on,
but the US isn't in it yet. Woodrow Wilson passes
a Selective Service Act and she goes around organizing for
people to not sign up, and the US government is like,
fuck that she's arrested again, damn it, and she goes
to prison.

Speaker 1 (01:10:07):
Yeah, the Wilson era was essentially a police state kind
of dude.

Speaker 3 (01:10:12):
I would you couldn't really right now, if like a
draft happened in World War three, I would tell all
my friends not to go. Oh yeah, so fuck that's illegal.
That's a crazy thing.

Speaker 1 (01:10:24):
It was.

Speaker 2 (01:10:24):
Yeah, it was essentially illegal because after the McKinley assassination,
they passed I forget the bill, but it was like
the Anti Anarchist Act more or less. This was under
Teddy Roosevelt, by the way, and essentially it was like
Patriot Act level, like we'll arrest.

Speaker 1 (01:10:38):
You for anything.

Speaker 2 (01:10:39):
You will arrest you for anything anti government.

Speaker 1 (01:10:42):
But also that era World War One, the propaganda was
do not fuck any man that doesn't sign up, like
he's a coward.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
It's a good propaganda. That's the other side of the
coin of the IDF battie is the uh the impotent
draft dodger, hot girls joined the military, cocked dudes with
weak cock, don't you know.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
The IDF has like a special needs division and like
they like help sew and like patch up uniforms and
shit like that.

Speaker 1 (01:11:15):
Do we not? I don't think we do. I don't
think you can have down syndrome ANDBIA.

Speaker 3 (01:11:20):
But like the idea has like it's like a volunteer thing.
Oh but you like volunteer to like serve and you
kind of just help sew up uniforms or just like
distribute uniforms. The guys served, but they have that.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Look logistics win wars, yeah, all right, not tactics, no,
not at all. For everyone in you on the front line,
there's eight people making sure, yeah you kill. I don't
know what the number is.

Speaker 3 (01:11:47):
I think it's like thirteen people to like send an
infantry guy to whatever. But that's not even a real number.
Like the dental technician didn't right, it's got good jeez,
I don't have good fucking teeth, bro.

Speaker 2 (01:12:02):
I guess if you nail it down and you shave
off that, it's probably still like six to one.

Speaker 3 (01:12:06):
Yeah, probably, Like the other cooks didn't sustain me for war.
Like no, I went to Popeyes. You guys can't cook.

Speaker 1 (01:12:14):
And they're not cooking MRI.

Speaker 3 (01:12:15):
But like technically there there's like a number of how
many people, and that's where the infantry is like we're
the best because it takes thirty people to do whatever.
Like no, not really, it's like four. Yeah, it's still
a lot like the guy that gives us amo, the
guy that gives us the equipment.

Speaker 2 (01:12:31):
And got to get to drive you there.

Speaker 3 (01:12:33):
And then yeah, the dude that like calls in artillery,
you know, like that's cool.

Speaker 2 (01:12:38):
So she goes to jail for that gets out during
the Red Scare of nineteen nineteen, nineteen twenty, and uh,
I guess who's a big player in the US government
at this point?

Speaker 1 (01:12:50):
Warng G.

Speaker 2 (01:12:51):
No, No, this isn't a president. This isn't a president.
But this guy will be a big player for the
next forty.

Speaker 1 (01:12:56):
To fifty years. I mean, warrang g was never a
true Walt Disney major player.

Speaker 2 (01:13:02):
Now Walt Old Henry Ford, j Edgar Hoover, jed Goar
Hoover is like, this bitch.

Speaker 1 (01:13:08):
Has got to go.

Speaker 3 (01:13:09):
The vacuum guy FBI, the FBI, guy who.

Speaker 2 (01:13:12):
Started the FBI.

Speaker 1 (01:13:13):
Yeah it was a cross dresser. What Yeah, he was hoovering.
Fuck it's probably hoovering a little wit so because he
suckd that dick so good.

Speaker 2 (01:13:21):
At this point, Hoover is deporting any non citizen who
is remotely anti government, Like, if you're here on a
visa and shit like that or whatever, you're an immigrant
at all, He's like, get the fuck out if you're
not a goddamn cheerleader for the United States.

Speaker 1 (01:13:35):
Oh shit.

Speaker 2 (01:13:36):
But here's the thing. Goldman is not on a visa.
She's an American citizen at this point, but she still
has a deportation hearing because they want to get her
the fuck out of the country. In nineteen nineteen, at
her deportation hearing, Goldman refused to answer questions about her
beliefs because she was like, I'm an American citizen. It
literally doesn't matter what I believe.

Speaker 1 (01:13:55):
Fuck fuck you.

Speaker 2 (01:13:57):
Uh spoiler alert, she got deported.

Speaker 1 (01:14:02):
No, oh wait, we can deport citizens.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
That shit don't change.

Speaker 2 (01:14:06):
That has happened before. She was deported, despite the fact
that she was a straight up on paper US citizen.

Speaker 1 (01:14:13):
It's funny how that works.

Speaker 2 (01:14:14):
Where she said, never, it's never happened before. It never
happened before. We wouldn't do that, We would never do that.
We haven't done that before.

Speaker 1 (01:14:21):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:14:22):
Where she sent back to Venezuela, Russia, Russia during the
Russian Revolution. Good Goldman initially was like, Okay, I'm not
a socialist, but I think this Russian Revolution is pretty sweet.
You know, the people, it's the people, the people are
rising up. But she still did have reservations because it
involved a government and she's an anarchist. She was shocked,

(01:14:44):
shocked to find out that the Russian Revolution was not
living up to its ideals.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
Oh, Lennin, wasn't you know, always cracked up to be.

Speaker 2 (01:14:55):
Yeah, she was shocked to hear a party official refer
to free speech as a quote bourgeois superstition. They traveled
around the country Herne Berkman, who was also deported, and
they found repression, mismanagement, corruption, fucking everywhere, no equality or

(01:15:16):
worker empowerment at all, believe it or not. Then they
had their aforementioned face to face with Vladimir Lenin, who
assured them he was like, hey, hey, I promise government
suppression of the press is totally justified. There can't be
any free speech in a revolutionary period.

Speaker 1 (01:15:37):
Why is she important enough to have a meeting with Lenin?
She was a big deal, a fairly big deal.

Speaker 3 (01:15:43):
She's spoken enough in front of people in the States.

Speaker 1 (01:15:45):
I guess yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Yeah, she was a big enough speaker and stuff like that,
but she.

Speaker 3 (01:15:49):
Didn't do anything besides speak.

Speaker 2 (01:15:51):
She tried to kill tried to kill one guy, one
random factory boss and it failed, and it failed, tried
to kill innocent person. The thing she's most sayings for
is a trying to kill an innocent person and b
being like, fuck society, tear it all down and actually
we don't need to rebuild anything and everything will be great.

Speaker 1 (01:16:10):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:11):
She got interviewed by Nelly Bly smart yeah, and then
Nelly Bly was like this chick rocks job queen ron bitches.

Speaker 1 (01:16:19):
You know you don't hate the media enough hashtag girl boss. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:25):
So even though Nelly or not Nelly, even though Goldman
was like, oh, that's fucked up, lad, Berkman was like, no, no, no,
I get it. I get it, I get it. I
totally get it. It's a historical necessity. That's is exact
what historical necessity. In nineteen twenty one, more strikes erupted
and Goldman and Berkman in Russia, and Goldman and Berkman
felt a need to support them. They go and these

(01:16:48):
strikes are horrible and a thousand people are killed by
the Soviet government during the strikes.

Speaker 1 (01:16:54):
Yeah that sounds about right. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:16:56):
So they leave for Jermy, we got this is a
lost cause. To get the fuck out of here.

Speaker 1 (01:16:59):
They go to Germany.

Speaker 2 (01:17:00):
She doesn't really find a lot of love in the
leftist community in Berlin because she's like, hey, communists suck,
and all the leftists are like, what bitch, fuck you
communism rules and she's like, no, I wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (01:17:11):
I have lived experienced terrible. It's not great. And they
were like you you, you ain't down.

Speaker 2 (01:17:17):
Get the fuck out. So then she goes to London
and has a dinner in London with a bunch of
important people, including Bertrand Russell and HG. Wells, and again
she's like, hey, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:17:32):
I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:33):
You guys are like really into this new revolution that's
going on that's supposed to empower people.

Speaker 1 (01:17:37):
And shit in Russia.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
But I was there and it was a fucking nightmare.
None of that is happening. Most of the people get
up and leave the dinner. Some people brate her for
not giving communism enough of a runway.

Speaker 1 (01:17:51):
Hoover them back in. I know, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:17:54):
So they actually do kind of let her back in
because she writes a book called like My Experience in
Russia or something like that, which is essentially like Russia
as a shitt hoole.

Speaker 1 (01:18:01):
It's like that Asian North Korean chick that went on Rogan. Yeah, yeah,
like literally, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:06):
Didn't she have cannons too? With something weird?

Speaker 1 (01:18:09):
Was she pretty hot? I think so, wasn't she? I
think so? Yeah? Yeah, But she was just trying to
like describe what it was like living in North Korea,
and I don't know if it was, you know, totally accurate.

Speaker 2 (01:18:18):
It seems like it was all made up but real
good content, Like all made up, but real good. Not
all made up, but real good content. I mean, North
Korea's a nightmare. But it seems like the shit seat
she was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:18:30):
Was just fictional.

Speaker 2 (01:18:31):
Yeah, because you believe you would anyone would believe anything
about North Korea.

Speaker 1 (01:18:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:35):
I spent a full year in Korea, and I believe
anything from North Korea. I was like five miles from
the border, like that's where the base was.

Speaker 1 (01:18:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:18:45):
I don't fucking know what's going on up there. All
we knew was like, hey, they have enough artillery to
fucking kill every one of us.

Speaker 2 (01:18:52):
That's a weird thing with like Russia and North Korea,
maybe not China, but they're really still like artillery based. Yeah,
they don't have the air power. So it's funny. It's like, yeah,
they got so much artillery, but like that seemed like
a problem there air force can solve in a day.

Speaker 3 (01:19:06):
Yeah, well dude, So the rumor was because we were
so close that maybe let it writ before you could
do it, that they had five minutes worth of iron rain,
which means like artillery hits every single point, like you
can't evade it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:19):
Yeah, it's literally rainfall, but.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
With you know, right worth before planes get up in
the air.

Speaker 3 (01:19:25):
Yes, they had that, and so it's like when we
would do drills every month of hey we're the North's attacking,
and so it'd be three in the morning. We have
to wake up and do our bullshit. Like dude, you
said they have five minutes of killing all of us.

Speaker 1 (01:19:40):
Yeah, and the.

Speaker 3 (01:19:41):
First minute we'd all die if it's iron rain, like
we say it iss. Yeah, they know everything, like it's
like they have you zero. It's very simple to see
and that's just the artillery we can see from the surface,
let alone what ton.

Speaker 1 (01:19:55):
They might have had.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
So all I knew at North Korea is that like
if they attacked, I'd be dead and there was nothing
I can do about it.

Speaker 1 (01:20:03):
We'd win, but you're the pond exactly.

Speaker 3 (01:20:05):
Yeah, we would win, and then like the you know,
the US would go into the south and you know,
pushed north again, but we would all just be like
we were a speed bump. We called ourselves the speed Do.

Speaker 1 (01:20:14):
You ever dip a toe at the DMZ?

Speaker 3 (01:20:17):
I went there once and the funniest thing is that
it was like the winter time and they're just like
their guards. Is like a South Korean guy in a
karate ghee with a black belt. It's two degrees outside,
it's holding a stance with sunglasses on.

Speaker 1 (01:20:35):
It's snowing, you don't need.

Speaker 2 (01:20:37):
Those, and then it's bright you get snow blindness.

Speaker 3 (01:20:40):
And then a North Korean guy on the other side,
also in a karate dance staring back, and that was like,
what the fuck. It's just two dudes freezing their asses
off for like an hour and then they switch out.

Speaker 1 (01:20:52):
That's pretty sweet though, So like we showed.

Speaker 3 (01:20:54):
Up and then there's like the internal guards, like the changes.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
In Pakistan do that as well, where they'd like.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
They do the stomping dances. Yeah, but these of you
just like stared at each other all day, and I
was like, cool, there's the DMZ.

Speaker 1 (01:21:07):
I guess do you think they become friends?

Speaker 3 (01:21:09):
I hope.

Speaker 1 (01:21:09):
So they have something in common that no one else does. No,
they find common ground? Yeah yeah. So but like maybe
through they developed like sign language.

Speaker 3 (01:21:19):
Yeah, I got twitch here and there. It's like, hey, bro,
you good? Yeah, eight two days ago.

Speaker 2 (01:21:26):
So she travels around speaking a lot as she gets
to come back to the United States and speak to
talk about like Russia and her autobiography and stuff like that.
No anarchist politics allowed. In nineteen thirty six, Berkman, her
friend Love or whatever, undergoes prostate gland operations. She receives

(01:21:47):
a call in the middle of the night that Berkman's
in great distress. She leaves for Nice, France. She's in
France at this point. Leavest her Nice France, but when
she arrived in the morning that she got of call
that Berkman was in great distress, she goes was fresh
gang arrives in the morning, but she found that he
had shot himself in the middle of the night. Oh fu,
but he didn't do it right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
He was still alive, so he was in his mouth.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
He was completely comatose and paralyzed.

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
He went through the bottom of his jaw.

Speaker 2 (01:22:13):
Huh, I guess so he died later that night. Yeah,
but he spent a one last bad day on earth.

Speaker 1 (01:22:18):
Yep at least finished his job for him.

Speaker 3 (01:22:20):
Yeah, yeah, dude, up, go temple, Go temple, back of
the brain. Don't go through the mouth, No temple. All
the way bullets work in weird ways. Don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:22:30):
As the events of the World War I, the dick
sweat to do it. You might bleed out.

Speaker 3 (01:22:35):
The dick is the fastest way to the heart. They say, Yeah, you're.

Speaker 1 (01:22:40):
Gonna have no will to live anyway. Yeah, you take
that out.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
As the events of World War II began to unfold
in Europe, Goldman reiterated her opposition to wars waged by governments.
She wrote, and this is really just illustrative of her
beliefs in general. Much as I loathed Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin
and Franco, I would not support a war against that,
for the democracies which would fight them, in the last analysis,

(01:23:06):
are fascist. But only are fascist in disguise. So she's like,
America and England aren't better than Russia, which I have
literally said in the past is the worst country on earth.
In Germany, which is even fucking worse than Russia, She's like,
they're all bad. Fuck them all.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
I hate that you gave this bitch a platform. I
think I think I'm exposed in her sounds like he
kind of like her.

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
No, she sucks a lot. She suffered a stroke on
May eighth, and she died six days later. In nineteen forty,
at the age of seventy. The I ins allowed her
body to be brought back to the United States and
buried there, and in one last act of fucking annoyingness,

(01:23:55):
she was buried in Chicago near the graves of those
executed after the haymark An affair. Because Goldman maintained about
the Haymarket affair, in which seven cops were killed by
a bomb thrown by a random person, a hot guy,
a hot guy, that the real crime was not the bombing,

(01:24:18):
but that the defendants were wrongly tried. According to her,
it feels like they could both be crimes, they could
both be bad. But she said that like the bombing
wasn't actually the.

Speaker 1 (01:24:33):
Big deal in this situation. What do you think a
revolution looks like?

Speaker 2 (01:24:37):
Frod, I think it's vibes essays grow up. Anyway, that's
Emma Goldman, the high Priestess of anarchy.

Speaker 1 (01:24:49):
I want to flush this episode down the toilet.

Speaker 2 (01:24:53):
Let's not eric.

Speaker 1 (01:24:54):
Yeah nah, yeah, we just did an hour and a change.
What'd you guys learn today? Annoying bitches have always been around?

Speaker 2 (01:25:02):
Yeah, that these people are like it really to the law.
She had a lot of like self pity throughout her life,
Like truly, she was just like, Oh, I just feel
like I'm fighting for nothing, and I just feel like
nothing's good to change, and oh I'm such a victim,
and and I really go back to the two things,
which is a you think that a bunch of people

(01:25:23):
being killed wasn't that big of a deal, but be
more importantly, you tried to murder someone.

Speaker 1 (01:25:29):
Yeah, I learned what I already kind of knew that people,
depending on their beliefs, will you know, become total monsters.

Speaker 2 (01:25:42):
Yeah, everything's justified. Theers that disagree with them, Yeah, everything's
justified if you think you're right. The anarchists where the
ultimate and socialists took this up later, Communist in particular,
but it's there, the ultimate ends justify the means. I
mean even Lenin was like, yeah, no, it would be
to we have to be monsters. Otherwise, how can we

(01:26:03):
not be monster? How can we how can we rid
the world of monsters.

Speaker 1 (01:26:06):
Without being monsters? Doesn't make any sense?

Speaker 2 (01:26:10):
No, but I do think New King Japan was right,
So don't listen to me.

Speaker 1 (01:26:17):
Honestly, I learned.

Speaker 3 (01:26:20):
Being a victim your whole life. Your life kind of sucks, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:26:24):
She had a shitty childhood, like, no doubt.

Speaker 3 (01:26:26):
Just like hating everything and everyone doesn't turn out the best.

Speaker 2 (01:26:31):
No, raise your kids, right, yeah, good kids. Don't think
the terrorist bombings are sweet. No, or try to murder
someone via prostitution.

Speaker 1 (01:26:42):
I learned that this bitch wasn't even like worthy of
being a prost.

Speaker 2 (01:26:47):
That was the funniest part of the whole thing is
that the first John was like, let me buy you
a beer, babe, and then like sits her down, is
like you ain't it. You can't do that. You are
not about this life.

Speaker 3 (01:26:56):
I mean, okay, yeah, to be fair, her life did suck.
Her life must have been the worst, Like morale, like
degrading things, horrible childhood.

Speaker 1 (01:27:05):
It kind of just sounds like she cosplayed her entire life.

Speaker 2 (01:27:08):
She did absolutely, I mean she was down to speak
and then send other people to do her shit for.

Speaker 1 (01:27:16):
But like when she got in the trenches and she
was really like in that life she never really did anything. No, no,
she kind of like flipped the script turned on it,
I mean went to Russia. I was like, oh, no,
this is this isn't it either?

Speaker 2 (01:27:32):
Yeah, like, what did you think anarchy was gonna be?

Speaker 1 (01:27:35):
Like fucking literally, what did you think anarchy was?

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Sunshine?

Speaker 1 (01:27:39):
Yeah, you are.

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Actually I think maybe she was disturbed because she was
actually looking at what anarchy is.

Speaker 1 (01:27:47):
Who's today's hitler? Mm hmm. I want to blame her dad,
but I'm gonna just you know, the buck stops at her.
You gotta eventually kind of take respondibility for the person
you become.

Speaker 2 (01:28:02):
Yep, I agree with that, because again, you tried to
murder someone, a guy who you just politically didn't agree.

Speaker 1 (01:28:09):
With, and it's certainly not this handsome fellow.

Speaker 2 (01:28:12):
No, that guy's this guy rules. That guy's today's Churchill.

Speaker 3 (01:28:19):
I'd say it's her mom for her husband dying at
seventeen and never getting over it. Yeah, just checking out,
fucking grow up, being like a shitty mob.

Speaker 1 (01:28:29):
You know who actually should take responsibility is her first
husband whose dick didn't work, because if he was just
laying it down, Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:28:37):
This doesn't happen.

Speaker 1 (01:28:38):
She doesn't get involved in this life. Nope, that's what
I was gonna say.

Speaker 2 (01:28:41):
Today's hyler is her first husband's dick.

Speaker 1 (01:28:43):
She becomes probably like a trad wife if you lay
whips the whole script.

Speaker 2 (01:28:50):
Dude, there's one tried and true road to tradwife, and
it's just laying pipe.

Speaker 1 (01:28:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:28:57):
I think that that guy's dick works.

Speaker 1 (01:29:00):
Everything's different.

Speaker 3 (01:29:02):
Yeah, that random guy doesn't Frick. He doesn't get killed
or no, he survived it. Yeah, he just unnecessarily got shot.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
Instead of my heroes of today's episode or the workers
who the guy turned back to and was like, I
did it.

Speaker 1 (01:29:15):
They just beat the fuck out of him and he
didn't do it. He didn't do it. Frick survived. He's like, right, guys,
are you happy? I hope Frick got like a lick
on this, did same? I hope?

Speaker 2 (01:29:29):
Like he's like, like the guys, so they beat Berkman unconscious.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Like he pulls the knife out of his fucking leg
and just sticks it dabs and.

Speaker 2 (01:29:37):
Oh that's why that is actually that and her like
the first John being like, baby, you can't do this
are my two heroes of the episode. The workers and
the guy who's like, you ain't.

Speaker 1 (01:29:47):
You ain't cut for this, You ain't cut for this
at all.

Speaker 2 (01:29:50):
All right, I saw you reading a book and that's
not what you do on a street corner. But that's
all I got for this week. I hope you enjoyed
our our episode. Scott, thanks thanks, thank you guys for
Dan Rochester and Scott Lopez.

Speaker 1 (01:30:06):
I'm Ron Fox. You discussawicer

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