The History of Panty Raids

After World War II, panty pandemonium struck American college campuses and organized raids of female dorms became a common prank. If your grandpa went to college in the 1950s, there's a good chance he stole some coed's undies.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:06):
You. I'm now listening to soft core history.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
Ladies and gentlemen, welcome back to Sophomore History. I'm your
host for the week. Damage Ester joined as always.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
But Rob Fox, was this is the side part of
the show or are you gonna or was that a
pre show? Sigh?

Speaker 2 (00:23):
That was a pre show? Okay, edited outside, Okay, I
thought that was. I didn't know if we took one
deep breath.

Speaker 1 (00:29):
I didn't know if.

Speaker 2 (00:29):
We're leading with a bit, if you like.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
I was like, as soon as you sided, I was like, okay,
we're going into something right away.

Speaker 2 (00:37):
And I was just catch my breath.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Okay, because if.

Speaker 2 (00:39):
You want to go low, I can go high. Today.

Speaker 1 (00:41):
I had dinner.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
I feel great and actually this is a very fun episode.
Tell yeah, then we're both high energy.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
I'm three Margerita's deep had I had a had dinner
with Gabby and and and Courtney and the kids. Nice. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (00:54):
I was thinking it was more of like a JJ
McCarthy before I hit the field, Okay, kind of just
center myself, kind of meditate a bit and then get
into it.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Well, let's hope it's Michigan JJ or Michigan JJ. Yeah. Yeah,
that was just funny. I was like, sy, oh, okay,
all right, all right, knocked in baby on my toes,
on my toes.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
And that's the kind of transparency you'll get nowhere else,
nowhere else, peeling back the curtain for no reason.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
Thanks for that, Rob, I didn't know. I thought it
was part of it. No, I'd rather do that.

Speaker 2 (01:23):
It's a fun and flirty episode.

Speaker 1 (01:24):
I'd rather accidentally yes and something than ignore something I
shouldn't have ignored.

Speaker 2 (01:29):
Well, you ignore my jokes all the time. That's nothing new. No,
you're just too high brow. He flies over my head. Yeah,
that's what it is, old Danny Raggs, the highest brow
and all the lan.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
You do a strong brow.

Speaker 2 (01:47):
I have good brows, I know. I said, do you
have a strong brow? I'm just good and say it
was I have good hair Look at this, Yeah you're flying.
I mean I can't really afford haircuts right now. So
but it's in a great spot. And then the beers
looking good.

Speaker 1 (02:00):
Maybe you can find like some Latino chick in your
apartment complex will just buzz it for you. If worse
comes to worse, I could.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
Just buzz it myself or get shade a buzz it. Yeah,
why does it have to be a Latina chick to
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (02:13):
They're good with it.

Speaker 2 (02:13):
Fade me up and give me like an eggar. Yeah,
they're good with hair. Yeah, but I don't want a
buzzed head.

Speaker 1 (02:19):
All right, fair enough. Also, it's fall, you don't need it,
it's not summer. Just wear a lot of hats too,
That's what I do. I got a full head of hair.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I'm looking forward to Beanie season.

Speaker 1 (02:29):
Wait, oh February, Yeah, just for like two weeks.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Coming anyway, Welcome into softcore history. I'm excited for this episode.
So last Friday on our Patreon Patreon dot com slash
softcore History, Rob did a fantastic episode on I believe
the nineteen seventeen incident between Texas A and M cadets and.

Speaker 1 (02:57):
Rice students students. Yeah see Rice is a normal school. Yeah,
so they're just called students, Okay, citizens, civilians, outlets, I
don't know. Yeah, no, Rice students, Texas A and M fake.
I will say this, if you want to, there are
certain places you can go where you can see things

(03:19):
that are so obviously and in some ways upsettingly from
another time. One of them is the closest you will
ever get to feeling like you are in the Jim
Crow South. If you are so inclined to experience that
which I was was is going to the Kentucky Derby,

(03:39):
not in the infield. I mean, then you'll just you're
all poor Jim Crow South. It doesn't matter, you're too
poor for the laws to benefit you. But if you
go to if you've got a good seat.

Speaker 2 (03:50):
If you sit in there, I'm going to say it,
this guy's I don't know if you got to come around.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
Right, if you get in the boxes, it just feels
like because a you're in the South, be everyone and
seersucker and stuff like that. And see it's like there.
And Las Vegas casinos are the last place where someone
will walk by you in an otherwise normalish setting smoking
like a whole cigar or a cigarette or you know
what I mean. Like it just it is of another time.

(04:16):
And another place that is like that is halftime at
a Texas A and M football game, where they will
put on a full North Korean military parade as halftime
show every week. I remember me and my Miszoo fan
friends who were there for that game were watching just
being like god damn it.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
This place gets creepier and creepier and creepier. We covered
a topic on Friday where they stole the Rice owl
and they essentially just like turned college station into a
military zone.

Speaker 1 (04:48):
The Rice owl like mascot statue, not an actual owl, correct,
which I.

Speaker 2 (04:54):
Was really I don't know if I mentioned that.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
I was really bummed about because at one point one
of the first things I read was all that made
it be act to Rice was the skin of the owl.

Speaker 2 (05:04):
I was like, that's dark man, that was a real
out For a minute, Peter wouldn't approve of that. I
was like, the episode got a little less exciting for
me when I found out what it really was.

Speaker 1 (05:13):
It wasn't a real yeah, but it's still good.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
I was like, what do you mean only the skin
got back? Well, today's episode is not a specific incident,
but rather a craze or a fad that popped off
post World War Two. Oh, I know what this is about.

Speaker 1 (05:26):
Then, Yes, he did it immortalized an animal house or
Revenge of the Nerds.

Speaker 2 (05:31):
I have a confession, Yeah, I've never seen an animal house.

Speaker 1 (05:34):
Wow, I know, sad.

Speaker 2 (05:36):
I used to write for a website called Total Frat
Move You and I've never seen an animal house all
the way through.

Speaker 1 (05:43):
But I know you're not from a fatherless home, and
that's such a dad movie.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
My dad didn't go to college. It doesn't matter. That's well,
he went to community college.

Speaker 1 (05:52):
That's it's not about. It's not a college thing he
went to. I think my dad was in a My
dad wasn't in a frat like it was. It's about that.
It's just of that era. It's like it's like they're
super Bad or their forty year old virgin or something like.
It is their peak, like formative comedy.

Speaker 2 (06:09):
He was more of a Melbrooks boy.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Okay, I mean my dad like Melbrooks too. He loved
Blazing Saddles stuff like that. But it just feels like
such a dad watch.

Speaker 2 (06:16):
Following the nineteen thirties Crazes of Goldfish swallowing, which I
feel like that deserves its own episode.

Speaker 1 (06:23):
Good Lord. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (06:24):
Flagpoles sit in what?

Speaker 1 (06:27):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (06:27):
That was a That was the thing. I guess in
the thirties and forties you would climb a flagpole and
just sit on it and create a way. I guess
it was the original plankin.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
I was gonna say, like all the Internet crazes of
planking and what there's some other dumb ass ones that
were even worse than that.

Speaker 2 (06:43):
But uh Rob hates the ice bucket challenge, not new Yeah,
the he really just hates everybody with als is the
juice isn't worth the squeeze.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
If that's how we have to cure als, I think
we need to ask ourselves.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
What are we doing? Yeah, you think Louke Garrick wants that?
Absolutely not. No, Luke Gereck would be ashamed. He was
a unit. Yeah, he doesn't care about that. He would
know that actual cold water prevents you from gains. That's true,
scientifically proven. All these dumb dums that are doing ice
baths after their workouts, after they lift, just totally newter

(07:21):
in all of your progress, freezing it literally literally freezing it,
stupid and jam and as many people into a foam
booth as possible. That's sweet.

Speaker 1 (07:30):
I like that.

Speaker 2 (07:31):
That's just funny. So those were the three, the big
three back in the day. Goldfish, swallowing flagpoles, sit in
and jamming people in the fun boast.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You know, I'll be honest. I think the goldfish in
the phone booth, I think that persisted to the nineties.

Speaker 2 (07:46):
Or even the late two thousands. I mean Jacob Believe
swallowed goldfish or his friend did, Steve O did on
Jackass and then puked it up to see if it
was still alive. Yeah, that's just an old classic carnife
trick yep, yep. And Steve's carney like literally the thing
that took over college campuses and became the hot college

(08:06):
craze after World War Two were of course panty raids.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
Yep, immortalized. Actually I don't know if it was in as.

Speaker 2 (08:15):
I've never seen Revenge of the Nerds. Oh really, they don't.
They won't play it anymore.

Speaker 1 (08:19):
Why because there's an egregious rape scene that was Oh
that's not good played off. Is not rape?

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Hmmm, like a little switcheroo yep. Okay, so the guy
the main nerd wasn't there a you know, small person
comedian that confessed to doing something similar to that and
it was on a podcast or a TV show and
they're like, uh, please.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
Stop, Yeah, no, it was uh I know that John
Stamos said he did that once, that he like brought
a chick home and he was like, but I felt
bad for my buddy.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
Thought she was so hot. So I took her home,
turned out the lights, and all my buddies step in
and like act like it was me. God. Yeah. Also
I don't I don't even understand how that would work.
This person's bald now yeah. Yeah, but no Revenge of
the Nerds.

Speaker 1 (09:10):
He like, the jock is like dating the hot cheerleader
and they're from the cool jock frat, and the nerd
puts on the jocks Halloween costume. It's like a Darth
Vader costume. So he's wearing the mask. Uh, and he
goes into this like it's like a Halloween full cosplay. Yeah,
Halloween Carnival.

Speaker 2 (09:24):
It's actually the ultimate cosplay. You're causeplaying as somebody who
was cosplaying.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
It's cosplay inception. You're cause playing within a cosplay.

Speaker 2 (09:30):
It kind of cancels each other out. It's so many
layers deep.

Speaker 1 (09:34):
It's hard to say what the ethics are because that
guy would have fucked her as Darth Vader. Yeah, and
now he fucked her as him as Darth Vader.

Speaker 2 (09:42):
Really no difference for her.

Speaker 1 (09:43):
Who's to say?

Speaker 2 (09:45):
But yeah, he accept everything, yeah except everything everything.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
It's it's not great, but he fucks her, and he
won't take the mask off and kiss he or anything.
He fucks her and it was like, it's like the
best sex she ever had.

Speaker 2 (09:57):
And he pops the mask off and she's.

Speaker 1 (09:59):
Like, oh wait, I had sex with you. She was
it was so good, it was so good.

Speaker 2 (10:07):
She forgave him. She immediately forgave.

Speaker 1 (10:09):
Him for the trick and ru And uh, I gotta say,
doesn't trade. I am mostly like, hey, let it go.
Like like thirty Rock taking down the two episodes they
randomly have blackface in that are like both making fun
of blackface, but uh, that's dumb, and like South Park
pulling the Charlie Kirk thing out of sensitive to whatever dumb.

(10:32):
But this one, I gotta say fair enough.

Speaker 2 (10:38):
I mean, if you have a copy of it, you
can watch it. It's out there, it's in the space.

Speaker 1 (10:44):
I will have to check if you can even buy
it on Amazon. I am you could.

Speaker 2 (10:48):
Probably go to Walmart, like a five dollars DVDs. You
will have to search the like the smallest towns of
Walmart bin of DVDs and you'll probably find it. I
used to love going to movie Stop and just getting three,
four or five dollars movies.

Speaker 1 (11:02):
The best the way those things depreciate. They make a
car seem like real estate. Oh yeah, artist meeting Less
and Fleeting.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
I had such an incredible DVD collection in college. We Yeah,
that was like a thing. I was like, Oh, he's
the guy with the DVDs. I was the guy you
would go to. He's got eternity, He's got every movie.

Speaker 1 (11:21):
Now.

Speaker 2 (11:22):
The first documented incident occurred on February twenty fifth, nineteen
forty nine, at Augustana College in Rock Island, Illinois. Around
one hundred and twenty men entered the women's storm late
that night. The first group entered through the Heaton tunnels
beneath the building. Once inside, they unlocked the door for

(11:43):
the remaining raiders to enter. The light and phone lines
were cut lock. A fire hose was set off to
flood the hallway and silk any co eds that popped
out though, Oh my god, so it really wasn't just
a pannyway. It was also a wet nightgown competition. Yeah,
this is they're.

Speaker 1 (12:02):
Treating it classic Kaijing. They're treating it like bin Laden's complex.
Cut the power, cut the.

Speaker 2 (12:08):
Communications, get them panties.

Speaker 1 (12:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:12):
The men then entered their rooms flip beds, tables, waste baskets,
and emptied the dresser drawers to take their prizes. Women
started spraying large amounts of perfume on the attackers so
they could be identified later. That's clever. Also get them
in the eyes. It's not going to feel good.

Speaker 1 (12:31):
No.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
The house mother locked herself in a room and contacted
the men's dean, whose car was compromised ahead of time,
to prevent him from showing up while the madness all
went down. So this is a this is a surgical strike.
It literally is Seal Team six. Yeah, going in. The
men made their escape after about fifteen minutes, gleefully throwing

(12:56):
the bras and panties all over campus. The police and
no pranksters were charged. The only physical injury resulting from
this first panty raid was from a man who was
hit over the head with a chair by one of
the co e.

Speaker 1 (13:10):
It's hell yeah, it's like the one chick on the
It's like there's like I don't even know what she
would be. She's like women's shot put. She's just like
not today crushed is a guy, I will say. Obviously,
the idea of panty raids is mostly childish and pervy,
but it is actually a good prank to deprive someone

(13:33):
solely of their underwear. Like that's a nightmare of the
next day. The underpants nomes except I.

Speaker 2 (13:39):
Don't need profit, I only need step one. Well we
never figure out step two.

Speaker 1 (13:43):
Yeah, but I don't need either step one or step two.
Just just the act itself is enough.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Though they didn't get in trouble, news traveled, made headlines
in the Chicago Tribune, Time Magazine, and the New York Times,
and suddenly a college craze began.

Speaker 1 (14:00):
It's funny that that's like the mass media perpetuated this.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
As they're one to do.

Speaker 1 (14:08):
Yeah, school shootings, panty raids, they really want them the same,
they give them ideas, right, I mean, school shootings wouldn't
happen if Columbine didn't get reported.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
On, didn't get covered. Yeah, blood is on the media's hands.
The second incident occurred on March twenty first, nineteen fifty two,
at the University of Michigan, and this is often cited
as the incident that really set off.

Speaker 1 (14:35):
The fat well a, You've got a power conference school.
Now one of the coolest schools in the country as
far as I'm concerned.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
Yeah. I mean the other school didn't play anybody.

Speaker 1 (14:44):
Paul No, No, Michigan. That's just like Michigan's like.

Speaker 2 (14:49):
A sweet school.

Speaker 1 (14:50):
Like I love.

Speaker 2 (14:51):
The University of Michigan and I have almost no connection
to it. In an article titled Panny Raid in nineteen
fifty two, James Tobin from the University of Michigan's Michigan
Today describes the event. At about six thirty pm, Art Benford,
a junior, finished dinner in the dining hall of West Quad.

(15:11):
Oh wait, I should do this in like a mid
Atlantic boys.

Speaker 1 (15:14):
Right, fifties is it's kind of dying out by the fifties.
But you do you baby, Okay.

Speaker 2 (15:19):
He went to his room and Alan Rumsey House and
picked up his trumpet, Benford said. Benford said later he
only meant to relax by playing the little music, but
his impromptu rendition of Glenn Miller's Serenade in Blue set
off a chain of events that gave America a distinguished
fat of the nineteen fifties.

Speaker 1 (15:40):
The pantyred what was it.

Speaker 2 (15:42):
Like the brown noise but for horny and stealing underwear.
We're going ahead and do it all right. He's set
in the scene, all right, These are the words of
one James Tobin. Sounds like a noir It like opening
in New Orleans, like we.

Speaker 1 (15:56):
Open on sad but sweet trumpet music in the French Quarter,
private or not Private Detective Dick Millard walks down Bourbon Street.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Benford soon found himself accompanied by a trombone player in
the men's dorm. Across the street, two tubas chewing the concert.
A stereo speaker blared from a window. Someone owned a
portable foghorn. Calls of knock it off were soon followed
by residents exiting both dorms. Notified of a disturbance. The

(16:39):
ann Arbor police arrived to find six hundred men gathered
on Madison Street shouting at one another, but the appearance
of the officers turned the student's attention away from themselves
and towards the police, who not wanted to provoke any
further wisely retreated to their car. That's the least college
police thing I've ever heard in my life. Outside, someone

(17:03):
shouted words that would become a rallying cry for the
next decade to the Hill, meaning to the much larger
and then all women's dorms on Observatory in and.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
Okay, on a hill, isiser is one would imagine.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Yeah, The crowd surged east on North University, first to Stockwell,
then Master Jordan. At each they made incursions, ran upstairs
and down corridors, then left. Women poured waste basket loads
of water from the windows. By the time the men
got to Alice Lloyd Hall, women residents had locked the

(17:42):
front doors. This isn't a panny raid, this is a
panty siege. It is a siege. Yeah, this apparently fueled
the fire. The rowdies got in through side doors, raced
upstairs and into women's rooms, and seized what the ann
Arbor News called miscellaneous female unmentionables. Yeah, well that's what
you gotta say, the Detroit News, less squeamish, said, the

(18:06):
men took items of lingerie as souvenirs. By now it
was nine pm, and for a moment the storm seemed
to have spent itself. But then the million crowded men
spotted a counter attack heading their way, a horde of
women flooding into central campus from the hill. The women

(18:26):
aim straight at the symbol of male privilege, the front
door of the Union, which by tradition was never to
be entered by an unaccompanied female. They surged through the Union,
then into all male West Quad, where several quarters, caught
unawares with their shorts on, were forced to scamper for safety.

(18:47):
According to The Daily.

Speaker 1 (18:48):
Oh hell yeah, it's a counter penny raid.

Speaker 2 (18:52):
You gotta hit them back. Oh boy, we used to
be a proper country. At South Quad, pandemonium broke loose,
The Daily reported, while some men beckoned to the women,
others formed a barrier at the front doors, but the
screaming cowittes broke through In a moment. The lounge was cluttered.

(19:12):
Hysterical staffman called for the order, like.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Please, for the love of God, get your vaginas out
of here. This is a mail this is our safe space.
It's a male only space.

Speaker 2 (19:24):
They should have just had an orgy at this point. Yeah, truly, Like,
just fuck, just get to it.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Just cream all over the Union.

Speaker 2 (19:32):
I feel like most life back then, though, was one
giant for a play session that never turned into anything.

Speaker 1 (19:40):
No, no, no, no, no, Like I'm like, I just
it's hard for me to imagine, Like, this is the fifties,
so this would be when my parents were born and
when my grandparents were done with college.

Speaker 2 (19:53):
So like I don't know.

Speaker 1 (19:55):
I just can't imagine a lot of banging. Feels like
they just bang to have kids.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
I think they banged.

Speaker 1 (20:04):
I know they did, it's just.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
You can't feel it. My children will know that man
drills his wife once a month.

Speaker 1 (20:13):
Yeah, you let them know.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah, but I mean you had the leather jackets, slick
back hair, greaser culture. Not on the campus, well probably not,
but I'm sure there's some people that cause played the
greasers as well.

Speaker 1 (20:27):
Yeah, yeah, probably.

Speaker 2 (20:30):
Here at last, authority was reasserted in the stern form
of Deborah Bacon, Dean of Women, the enforcer of in
loco parentis. Her appearance took the steam out of the
women who left and walked home before curfew. Hundreds of
men still gaming unrestricted by hours because we didn't have her. No, No,

(20:51):
that's for ladies.

Speaker 1 (20:53):
Spread out assaults. The moon makes the men straight. It's
not safe for them to be out. When the moon
is out.

Speaker 2 (21:02):
The streets won't be filled with panties, will be filled
with blood. Yeah, it's just safety. I've seen it happen
at my school. Some went back. We'll get to your
school later.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Oh hell yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:14):
Some went back to the hill where Alice Lloyd, a
resident had mounted a flashing red light in her window.
Some to Martha Cook, where President Harlan Hatcher, venturing out
of his house across the street, told the boys to
go home, without much effect, Some back to Betsy Barber,

(21:35):
where they were repelled by residents within a fire hose
at the window.

Speaker 1 (21:40):
Chuck Elliott, like, one of the ones off the wall.

Speaker 2 (21:42):
Yeah, there's a lot of just fire hoses available at
that time. Well, people forget there are a lot more
fires back then.

Speaker 1 (21:49):
I feel like buildings burning down used to be a much,
much bigger thing.

Speaker 2 (21:53):
Every apartment has an extinguisher. I have an extinguisher.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (21:56):
Your house that you're renting now probably has an extinguisher.
That one does our the house we owned never did. Well,
you're the owner that. Yeah, I never never got one.

Speaker 1 (22:05):
I was like, it's fine, yeah, but when you rend Yeah,
that's that's not my problem with someone else's problem.

Speaker 2 (22:11):
Chuck Elliott, a daily editor, detected a dark edge to
the reverie. The earlier funny stage is slowly changing as
the night went on. Well, that'll happen, I assume into
unpleasant demonstrations of near viciousness. I assume they weren't the
soberest crowd. Probably some pints of liquor. A lot of
this stuff was done without alcohol. I don't even understand

(22:34):
how you could pull that off sober, Like within ten minutes,
I would be like, what are we doing? I don't know,
should we drink instead, or like, drink and then do it.
But then you never do the panty rate because you're
too drunk and you're like, eh, I'm good.

Speaker 1 (22:47):
Panty ray just seems like an idea that happens after
twelve beers. Yeah. Not.

Speaker 2 (22:53):
You're bored with your homework, so you start playing a trumpet.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
It's a Tuesday night, and the trumpet music gets you
riled up.

Speaker 2 (23:00):
Hey, I was playing that trumpet over there. Yeah, six
hundred dudes just meeting because it's like an impromptu concert
starts in a dorm.

Speaker 1 (23:09):
And it almost starts a brawl, and then they were like, hey,
but then they turn on the point. Boys boys, boys, boys, boys, boys,
let's take this out on the women.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
At about one am, it started to rain and it
was over, but only for the night. The mass riot,
as the Daily called it, drew a good deal of
news coverage, even making the national newspapers. Within weeks, copycat
episodes sprang up on other campuses in a national panny
raid craze ensued.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
I'm telling you, if if I heard about something that
happened at Augustana, Augustina College, whatever, I'd be like, Oh,
those guys are weirdos. But if I heard something happen
at Michigan, I'd be like, Oh, they're cooler than us, actually,
so let's do that and be just as cool as
they are.

Speaker 2 (23:55):
Yeah, it's the big house right there, baby, Yeah, a
hundred percent. The spontaneous swiping of women's underwear that night
Alice Lloyd became a standard planned practice that went on
for ten years, the ritual seeking of trophies by men
raiding women's dormitories and sororities. Although the term panty raid
apparently have been used earlier, it was Michigan's riots that

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inspired the national fad. On April eighth, nineteen fifty two,
two thousand men, good lord, that's an army rated the
women's dormitories at Penn State while the women cheered and
through underwear from the windows to the crowd below.

Speaker 1 (24:36):
Oh so it's more like a Marty Grass situation. It
seems that way, Penn State's always been comfortable with uh
acts of expression that other people would find troubling.

Speaker 2 (24:50):
What are you talking about? Just other stuff?

Speaker 1 (24:55):
Okay, By the way, so far we've done a school
no one cares about and two Big ten schools, which
is well in line with the Big Ten being in
the Conference of Sex Crimes.

Speaker 2 (25:06):
We're about to get to you, buddy, don't you worry
by the end of nineteen fifty two. And also, we
can't get to my school because it didn't exist. Yeah
at this point, when.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Did your school founded? The sixties?

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yeah, it was like sixty four.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
Okay, My school sixty three had existed for almost one
hundred and thirty years when your school was founded. Yeah,
we're pre Civil war. Baby, it's cool, dud, which is
cool until you realize who built the buildings.

Speaker 2 (25:35):
Yeah, we don't have that problem, budd. I'm an unproblematic institution.
Although Georgia O'Leary killed a kid, but well it's just one,
just one. By the end of the nineteen fifty two
spring term, the Panni raid epidemic had spread to fifty
two campuses across the country. More than two thousand men

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at the Universe Versity of Missouri marched and saying their
way to Sorority Row, the third target of a penny
raid that evening.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
So hmm, that's interesting because there wouldn't be a I
assume the paper called it a sorority row.

Speaker 2 (26:13):
I guess, yeah, or whatever, because the way it's set
up at Missou is we don't need the inside baseball.

Speaker 1 (26:20):
So here's the geography of the University of Missouri. All
the sororities and ratios are. It's it's just called greek town.
There is a frat row and college aff but yeah,
they're all right right next to each other. It's like
my praternity house was between two sorority houses.

Speaker 2 (26:33):
The police chief of the town of Columbia realizes twenty
two man force needed assistance. Near midnight, Missouri Governor Forrest
Smith was awoken, told of the situation, and authorized the
use of the National Guard.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
I'm sorry, so they had to wire up to jeff City,
which is about forty minutes away from Columbia. Mike God,
there's two thousand hony boys up here, said in the
National Guard. They're like governor gets woken up in the Honestly,
I assume the governor got woken up the middle of
the night, heard what was happening and was just so
angry that he got that phone, that phone call to

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wake them up. It was just like just sending arm men.
Fuck these kids, fuck them, fuck them to death.

Speaker 2 (27:17):
I feel like we send in the National Guard for
more things than we care to admit.

Speaker 1 (27:21):
Actually, fun fact, the National Guard has been deployed to
universities more than anywhere else. That's what I made that up.

Speaker 2 (27:27):
But by the time the National Guard finally got to
the campus, the boys had scattered and crisis was averted.

Speaker 1 (27:36):
Damn they heard them, they heard they were coming, so
they scrammed. Did they get any panties?

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, yeah, they got plenty of. Okay, good, good, good good,
But you gotta stop one. I mean they're not stopping.
They're not doing pre crime here. They're not calling the
National Guard because they heard about the panny.

Speaker 1 (27:53):
Right, It's just the panty raids are on going. There
really is nowhere to hide in Greek Down. If you're
a sorority house, I mean you're literally just surround did
by your enemy for that night.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
Are you saying they're asking for it?

Speaker 1 (28:03):
I'm saying when you live in that neighborhood, you have
to understand what that neighborhood is. Okay, I would have
been for what it's worth, if I had done if
me and my guys from my house had done a
penny raid in two thousand and six, it expelled immediately.

Speaker 2 (28:21):
Dude, we weren't allowed to paint ourselves purple for Fiji
islander anymore, for purple face. Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (28:28):
They said it was too dark.

Speaker 2 (28:31):
I guess in you know, the light of night, it
may be taken the wrong way.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, if you're not.

Speaker 2 (28:37):
Although they were trying to say it was like offensive
to Fiji natives, Fijians, Fijians.

Speaker 1 (28:44):
Who notably do not paint themselves purple. Yeah, was that
the whole but you was it even be like, oh,
I'm looking Fijian.

Speaker 2 (28:51):
No, you're doing it because it's like that's my colors.

Speaker 1 (28:53):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Who am I gonna upset?

Speaker 1 (28:55):
VJ.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
Singh? Sure? I mean he probably lives in Florida almost
certainly most golfers do.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
I mean Rory does. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
Well, the actions of the men received most of the attention.
In almost all cases of the panny raids, women assisted.
They unlocked the doors to the dorms and sorority houses
cheered from upstairs windows and sometimes defended. There would be
raiders from the police.

Speaker 1 (29:25):
At some point it just becomes like kfe just becomes
like a funny thing, you know what I mean, like
fake almost.

Speaker 2 (29:31):
Where it's like college is fake.

Speaker 1 (29:33):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, So this would happen actually two with
composite stealing right when girls would do it. Yeah, there
were two types of composite thefts. And if you don't
know what a composite is in a fraternity house, it's
just you're like a big framed yearbook for the years.

Speaker 2 (29:51):
It's all the photos of everyone in the fraternity for
that year and they run about three grand. So by
stealing one, it's actually grand theft.

Speaker 1 (30:00):
It is a felony, I believe. Yeah, And like the
exact board is listed like the president and everyone has
noted who they are, and then everyone.

Speaker 2 (30:07):
Else is just there. It's a pretty sweetheart sometimes on it.
Yeah yeah, house dog, house, house dad.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Whatever.

Speaker 2 (30:13):
Anyway, there would there would be two types.

Speaker 1 (30:15):
There would be one which was almost like the formal
composite theft, like if someone was pairing with you for
or according you for Greek Week or homecoming, they would
come in and steal your composite. They'd be like, we're
just here and you knew why they were there, and
they would run. They would take a composite and leave,
and they it would come back like decorate like foe

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decorated where they would be like captions, like making fun
of everyone and like candy or little middle like voice
blurbs yeah yeah yeah, and like little mini liquor bottles
like tape to it and stuff like that. And then
there was the other ones, which was the girls would
actually bust in and just straight up steal it for
shits and gigs.

Speaker 2 (30:55):
Yeah yeah, although women in college, hat theft twas more
of a big thing at least that you.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
See it, but that's that's personal crime. Hat theft, hoodie theft. Uh.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
They would take it right off your head though, Frat
shirt theft. Oh, I had lost so many hats just
right off my dome. I would have I would have
never talked to the women either. They would just take
my hat. Yeah, they liked it, I guess, and just
if I ever saw them again.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
I mean, if you're rocking a citronat hat, got you got,
you gotta fucking take it, dude.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
If somebody stole the shirt from me right now, I
would maybe fight them.

Speaker 1 (31:32):
That is actually a trophy that people would do. That
girls would do in particular as well, which is like
if they hooked up with a guy, they would want.

Speaker 2 (31:39):
A T shirt to wear home, and they would request letters.
I don't know if anybody was doing that. That was
the thing at least with my fraternity. That was the
thing at Missouri. It was the thing at.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Ut Nobody wanted to proudly rock FIJI letters.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
A ton that wanted to proudly rock letters. But you
know what, some did.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
We were bottom tier boys. Some did.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
It's all good. We had fun, it's a little matters,
played video games and friends. Sometimes guys would play Magic
the Gathering in one of the apartments. I would get
really mad on a Friday, I would I would go.
I would get so annoying, like people are coming over,
please clean this up.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I There were there were nights where.

Speaker 2 (32:18):
I played D and D two and like Magic the
Gathering is just a bridge too far, just much gear. Uh.

Speaker 1 (32:24):
There was a time my like second to last year,
my fourth year out of five, where we lived in
off campus, like our fraternity had three houses in a
row aside from our fraternity house three house in a
row off campus where we're all like eight twelve guys
like lived right next to each other. And I remember
going over to that to one of the houses where

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I had like friends who I wanted to go out
with for like weeks in a row on like Thursday
and Friday night. I mean like, hey, are you guys
going to Harpo's, Like, come out suit, let's do Big
twelve like whatever, And they would be high and I'd
be like, no, dude, we're playing Settlers of Katan.

Speaker 2 (33:04):
Yeah, that's even worse loud.

Speaker 1 (33:07):
I was like, I will flip this fucking table over.
I actually got.

Speaker 2 (33:13):
COVID for the first time when I played Settlers of Katan.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
No, you didn't.

Speaker 2 (33:17):
That was just a disease that Settlers of Katan. That's
what I'm saying, Literally, get I got diseased. I got
COVID from the game.

Speaker 1 (33:24):
I'm just saying, I COVID is from its own thing.
I think the game made you ill. It gave its
own sort of just universal true alarmic illness.

Speaker 2 (33:35):
I lost my ability to taste things, which comes with
playing the game.

Speaker 1 (33:39):
You have no taste if you play Sellers of Katan.
So it checks out the way. I fucking hate that
game and all of my hate started from that. Were
like in college, and then one of the guys was like,
I don't even care about good out. I got a girlfriend,
like maybe talk to Jake, and I'd be like I
would just like pop puck, plectic, like like just furious,

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just want like.

Speaker 2 (34:03):
You needed your trumpet so you get the boys rallied.

Speaker 1 (34:06):
Oh my god, dude, yeah, I should have sat outside
and played a trumpet. That shit drove me fucking insane.
And it was introduced to them. There was one guy
who lived in the house who wasn't in the fraternity,
and it was like just some stoner kid who was
super nice, but he was just I think his name
was like Gareth or something horrible like that, and I
and he just was like, dude, my for like this
gape of Settlers? Do you want to play it? And
they started playing it like a Tuesday and just got obsessed.

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And I was like, you are ruining your lives, You're
wasting away, you will never get this time back.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Yeah, what are you doing? We would occasionally play like
Cards against Humanity, but that brought in women and other
people like it was a giant group that would play
the game. I also I was an anti beer pong
because of the same reasons. It's like, oh cool, you've
been a table all party in the one.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Table down dude of Tato single chick hole moth.

Speaker 2 (34:59):
It's like, please clear off the table. We can play
flip cup here. Have there like entire party involved, let's
get I just want more people than four people there is.

Speaker 1 (35:10):
It's fine to have a beer pong table or two,
but it can't be like twenty beer pong table. You
can't be there all night. No, you don't want to
be No.

Speaker 2 (35:18):
I actually got into a run one time where I'm
just like, please beat us. I want to leave.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
I mean, there's a certain amount of pride, Like I
took pride in winning beer pong, but I didn't want
to be on it till like one in the morning.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
No. No, it's a nightmare. When six hundred men at
Columbia University besieged the residence hall of the all female
Bernard College next door, no, we're going to ivy. Hundreds
of co eds waved undies from their windows and tossed
water filled bags as Columbia males fought with the police.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
Who were they throwing about the males of the police.

Speaker 2 (35:54):
Both.

Speaker 1 (35:55):
Look, it's one thing for nineteen fifties or sixties, Miss
Zoo or whatever in your podunk little college town for
that police department to not be able to handle two
thousand college kids. How the NYPD was not able to
round up a bunch of soft hands ivy leaguers.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
At the University of Texas only days after, Dean of
Women Dorothy Gerber declared, I'm sure our boys are too
much of gentlemen to indulge in such annex the campus
experience its first bout of panny red fever.

Speaker 1 (36:35):
She dared them, is the problem. Essentially, she willed it in.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
She's like, our boys are too good for this, but
we check it out there. Not how the guys took
it was what she said, we're soft. You won't pussies.

Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, you won't. She said you won't.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
And they said you can get any guy our age
to do anything if you just say you.

Speaker 1 (36:54):
Won't you won't, because what you won't means is you
can't and just no balls.

Speaker 2 (37:01):
Yeah, yeah, that's the order. It's you won't, you won't again,
no balls three of thirds, I think is what it's
called the rule threes. It's really uh whatever your your
communications teacher taught, however, yeah, whatever you prefer. You know

(37:23):
who my communication teacher was. Who is your communications teacher,
Melissa Click? That's a deep cut for people at home,
Melissa motherfucking Click, which is one of them.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I had a lot, but I did have the woman
who famously got fired from Miszoo during the BLM protest.

Speaker 2 (37:43):
She single heartedly created woke. I think, yeah, I think
she is the most responsible person. Yeah for whatever just happened. Well,
it doesn't help her that her name is so memorable. Yeah,
I need some muscle over here. Yeah, just bullying an
Asian journalist, No journalists. Do you know who it was?

Speaker 1 (38:01):
It was a It was an Asian kid. No, it
wasn't it was it was it was It was a
couple because one of them I follows me on Twitter
and is now trans Oh sweet, And she was like,
I need to want to kick the shit out of
these guys.

Speaker 2 (38:16):
On the evening of Thursday, May twenty second, nineteen fifty two,
several hundred Texas students attempted a raid, but were fought
off by a coalition of Austin and the university police.
University of Texas football players recruited as bouncers and the
sprinkler system in front of Scottish Right dormitory. So Texas

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tried to do a panny raid and immediately bitched out.

Speaker 1 (38:43):
The football team fought them off.

Speaker 2 (38:45):
The police recruited the football team to help them just
kind of corral their own guys. Okay, well, you're not
gonna fuck with those guys. In most panny raids, the
men were welcome by the women residents, but in a
few instances the raids turns some violent Jesus. At the
University of Washington, raiders broke windows in the dorm rooms, enchanted.

(39:07):
We want pennies, We want pennies, We want pennies, We
want pennies. That many times though, that many times. Yeah,
I was waiting for Chase to get out for him
for you, oh fair enough. Yeah, he was just trying
to get in.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
A shot back.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
I think the dog. I think dog on camera helps
if anything. He's not framed right though. He just saw
dog gass. Fair enough, he would have just saw dog gas.
But yeah, he was taking the sweet time. He's an
old man, he is.

Speaker 1 (39:33):
It feels uh miraculous that these things didn't turn not
violent like a lady's getting punched in the face or
something like that, but or like worse.

Speaker 2 (39:42):
But uh that there just wasn't more property damage. Yeah,
there were some incidents where like ten thousand dollars worth
of damage was done. What's ten thousand dollars today?

Speaker 1 (39:53):
I know, so a lot. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (39:56):
Many saw it as innocent fun, but some did not,
including one Sergeant Carlton Rutledge of the US Army I
then participant in the American military action in Korea, who
strongly opposed this fad.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
Was he in school?

Speaker 2 (40:12):
No, he was literally in the army.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
I know what it was like.

Speaker 2 (40:15):
Did it was like in college after the GI Bill
or something?

Speaker 1 (40:18):
No, he just read about it. Oh fuck off, dude, Sorry,
I was. I was confused because I was like, why
would someone in Korea give a single fuck?

Speaker 2 (40:31):
Well, I'm gonna get to it all right, Be patient, baby,
let me feed your baby.

Speaker 1 (40:37):
In my commentary.

Speaker 2 (40:41):
In a letter to the editor published in The New
York Times, Rutledge said, what kind of young men are
growing up in our country? The leading nation in the
world stand in for democracy, civilization, and refinement. It was
only a year or two ago that the papers back
home were full of discussion on how to exempt these
young morons from the draft so they might continue their

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education and become better men for our country. My opinion
is that such young whelps be drafted at once, given
a rough training, and sent to the front lines to
help there until the fighting was finished. I consider anyone
who is so low as to act in this manner,
I read, should have nothing less than a horse whippon. Yeah,

(41:27):
so he's really just angry because they didn't get drafted,
That's really it.

Speaker 1 (41:30):
But because the first thing I can think of is, yeah,
a soldier would.

Speaker 2 (41:35):
Never Yes, soldiers are stand up dudes. Yeah, a soldier
I definitely want to participate in such you know, foolish,
no childish.

Speaker 1 (41:48):
I've never met a sanks, never met a single dirt
bag in the military. They're all dirt.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Bags, especially when they're like eighteen to twenty two.

Speaker 1 (41:58):
They would all do this. I'm sorry, this guy's calling
in the in Korea, calling in air support and watching
a dude with titties painted on his plane glass Chinese
people and he's like.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Pervots by fighting police.

Speaker 1 (42:19):
It's a lot of them. Yeah. No, no soldier ever
ever got in a fight with MPs. There was never
a time. Yeah, yeah, this guy just sounds like a
fucking boner.

Speaker 2 (42:31):
Two football players at the University of Oklahoma were dismissed
for leading a raid on the women's dorms, and newspaper
headlines soon declared, bloomers sooner.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
That's good, it's good work.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Do you think they were mad when they read about
Joe Mixon getting to stay in school? But also, you
know how many yards did he run for that year?
That's fair, it's great running back. Panny raid on the
league now, Panny raid face. I think he's had multiple incidents.
Doesn't prevent him from playing. He had like some weird shooting.

Speaker 1 (43:05):
He didn't hit anyone, but like popping off a gun
at someone on his property or something.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
The old Ja moran, He yeah, kind of At Wood
do your college in California, the dean of students warned
that the local draft board chairman would try to draft
any man involved in panny raids for the next year.
Panty raids were in short supply around the country, likely
deterred by the threat of expulsion or reminders that Americans

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were in fact fighting in Korea. Yeah, I mean that
so literally everybody's defense against the panny raids where but
there's young boys dying in Korea right now. No, I
think it's the opposite.

Speaker 1 (43:43):
It's like what the Nazis would do, which is, uh,
if you fucked up, but they didn't want to kill
you or anything because they needed people straight to the
Eastern Front. So essentially you do a panty raid straight.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
To the front what Russia's doing right now.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Yeah, also that straight to the front. It is funny
too that people are like, oh, man, I'm not gonna
do this pan raid anymore because I don't want to
get shot by a Chinese guy or a Korean guy.

Speaker 2 (44:09):
Well, the nineteen fifty two outbursts was never repeated. Panny
raids were a regular campus feature for another fifteen years.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
That is also, by the way, a line in the
movie You've Never Seen Animal House they get expelled near
the end spoiler, and the dean is like, like, after
he tells them they're all expelled because Animal House takes
place in the late sixties, he's like, oh, and I've

(44:39):
notified all of your draft boards. So he's just swit.
He's like, I let your local draft boards know that
you're immediately eligible to go to Vietnam.

Speaker 2 (44:51):
By the late nineteen fifties, panny raids had evolved away
from the potentially destructive entering of women's residences to just
wooing ladies from the outside. Groups of men sang and
chanted and hoped to be rewarded by lingerie dropping from windows.

Speaker 1 (45:08):
They were sirens.

Speaker 2 (45:10):
Serenade. Yeah, that was I mean, that was a big
thing when I was in college. You just go up
to a sorority sing a dumbass song and they, you know,
give them roses or something and they might accept you.
For home coming.

Speaker 1 (45:23):
Yeah, that's how we did it too, serenades and all
kinds of chording stuff. I was sang Stay by Lisa
Loebe with my buddy as a duet.

Speaker 2 (45:31):
We did a rendition of fuck You Gently Nice? Yeah, solid,
and we locked down a sorority for homecoming.

Speaker 1 (45:41):
Were you did you sing it? Or was it the
whole house?

Speaker 2 (45:44):
Whole house?

Speaker 1 (45:45):
That wasn't just me.

Speaker 2 (45:45):
Yeah, we went to their house serenaded their entire sorority
did fuck You Gently Nice? I mean that was kind
of expected, though. I think Ato at one point to
dick in a box when it literally had dudes like
shirtless and just dressed in a box.

Speaker 1 (46:02):
Yeah, some of these atos of one of the wilder ones,
because like we would do serenades. We would try to
be like funny and do funny shit, but like a
little change the lyrics.

Speaker 2 (46:13):
We didn't, Oh, we changed the lyrics. We changed.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
We did it as like it was just like a
We still said fuck you gently, but we like would
make it more applicable for the literal ladies. Ours were
like part of a broader skitch.

Speaker 2 (46:25):
It made sense within the sketch anyway. But like I
would hear like atos and sees and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (46:30):
The houses that like were very uh did not treat
their pledge as well. It would be like the pledges
would be like around the corner, like jerking off to
make sure their dicks were hard, and then would have
to like run in front of the sorority with hard dicks.

Speaker 2 (46:46):
It was just fluffing. They they weren't hard. They were
probably get a fluff. Yeah, you gotta get a solid chubb.
I think you can't be totally fucking rocking a wenus.

Speaker 1 (46:56):
Yeah, cause if you fluff it, that leaves room for
the amadation that it could grow it.

Speaker 2 (47:01):
Yeah, not much.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
It could be bigger. Yeah, but if it's fully hard,
they know exactly what you're working with and they're not
happy about it.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
No, especially like when you're doing a physical feat. Just
the penis and balls, specially soft. That's just it's not
gonna do it for anyone. I mean, the human body
knows that you shouldn't run with an direction. It wants
to shrink your wiener up for mobility. As part of
the fun, a co ed might write her first name
and telephone number on the inside of her undergarments, and

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the gentleman who acquired the prize was obligated to return
it in the way of a blind date.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
Ah like that, canna put them on.

Speaker 2 (47:37):
You, grandpa? How'd you meet Grandma? Well, she was a whore.
That was until May twenty fourth, nineteen sixty three, when
three hundred students from Norwich University descended upon the capital
city of Vermont and lage siege the campus of the
Vermont College. They hit the capitol, They hit Vermont's capital.

(47:58):
My god, how do you even say it? Montpelaire, Montpellier, Montpellier. Yeah,
I think so. I think that's right. How many people
in the US do you think could actually name the
capital of Vermont.

Speaker 1 (48:09):
It should be one of the easiest because it's the
craziest name.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
I don't think anyone's getting it.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
I think I could do all fifty state capitals.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
I think.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Might have to do that on the Patreon at some point.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Maybe, but there's I would say ninety nine percent get
it wrong over. I don't even think ninety nine percent
of the population could list a city in Vermont.

Speaker 1 (48:33):
Montpellier's the only one.

Speaker 2 (48:35):
It's not a city in my mind. Yeah, it's the
closest thing to it. Dean Pauline Tompkins came into the
Diamond Hall to tellsted and she had received a call
warning her of plans of a Penny raid. She set
out the rules for the evening. All days were to
be canceled, anyone out of the dorms before study hours

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was to return by seven. Lights were to be turned
out once the raid began, and no one was to
be let into the dorms.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Man, I wish you had seen Animal House now, because
so much of this just happens in an animal house
where they're like there's women's colleges, there's like dorms where
you have to be let in other women who are.

Speaker 2 (49:15):
There plenty of people who are listening to this right
now that are connecting with you in a way I can't.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Yeah, who looked at you suspiciously and stuff like that.
My favorite thing from Animal House is that. So it's
like taken from a couple of different of the writers'
experiences in college. Ye, and one of them was, you know,
Harold Ramis's egon from Ghostbusters all the shit. Anyway, I've
never seen Ghostbusters either, Oh my god, all right, but
you know who Harold Ramis is somehow, anyway.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
I'm aware of Ghostbusters. Yes, he wrote Caddyshack too. Yeah,
he's also in a lot of movies.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Yeah, he went to Washington University in Saint Louis. And
there's a scene making about yourself, yeah an Animal House
where they go to a jazz club, a black jazz club,
as one of the famous lines, could we domes with
your dates? And they just like let the black kids
take their white dates. And it's from a women's college,

(50:11):
which is what made me think of this anyway. I
was like, man, I don't know why, but that had
to be Herald Ramis that wrote that part because he
went to school in Saint Louis and I guess he
said that that was him, and they just for shits
and gigs went to East Saint Louis one day, sure,
and it went exactly as how you would think it
would go. Yeah, where they were just three terrified white
boys and like went immediately back. Okay, yeah, but they

(50:34):
took those dates from a women's college locked like had
to like lie to get them out because they weren't
just allowed to go on dates. They weren't just allowed to.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
Leave take care offews. Yeah yeah, the moon, the moon.
I mean even today, sororities, their houses and everything, there
was always like a point and no return that guys
could not go past. You couldn't go upstairs.

Speaker 1 (50:54):
Second floor.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Yeah, typically upstairs, but there was usually a door to
the stairway that I couldn't like go past. Order the
house mom would yell at me, Oh yeah, you're in
deep shit.

Speaker 1 (51:04):
Except the one there'd be like one cool house that
was like, well, just you can come over.

Speaker 2 (51:08):
And bang us was there a cool house? It was gammified.
I wasn't cool enough for it. Oh yeah, it was
probably Zaeta UCF, but I wasn't cool enough for that.
It was dusk when the lights out announcement came over
the PA and cars loaded with Norwich Cadets began to arrive,

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followed by the police and fire departments. God damn cadets.
A hose truck stopped in front of the Glover Hadley
Building and as the fireman hopped out to hook up
the hoses, and Norwich cadet hopped in and drove the
fire truck across the quad and straight into the fountain.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
You wrecked the fire truck, by the way, props on
the equal opportunity they were gonna fire hose a mob
of white people.

Speaker 2 (51:56):
Yeah, I don't think it was an exclusively racially charged thing.
It was just effective.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
Look, this is this is gonna sound Yeah, this is
gonna sound really racist, But it just makes sense to
use a fire hose on an angry crowd.

Speaker 2 (52:09):
Yeah. We got plenty of examples of white.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
College I'm just saying, if you want to disperse a crowd,
a hard beam of water that's gonna get you, gonna
help do that. It's just logical. It's not right who
they did it to necessarily, but it does make sense.

Speaker 2 (52:29):
When I was a part of the riots in Philadelphia
after the two thousand and eight World Series if somebody
I was a senior in high school. Okay, so I
was seventeen at the time. If someone busted out a
fire hose to get us, I mean I would have
left right, Yeah, I would have just immediately. It's been
like I'm not getting soaked sticking around for the fire hose.

(52:49):
I got pepper sprayed, and I still stayed.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
For you stayed with the pepper spray. No, it wasn't direct,
but it was like a kind of a okay, so
you got a little spice, got a little spice.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Yeah, And I think I also got hit by like
a police horse or something. I don't know, what do
you mean hit by just like ran into me. Okay,
it was a big crowd. Like what do you mean
ran into you?

Speaker 1 (53:10):
There? Like a night charging into a crowd of infantry,
Like you got a horse chest to the fucking Yeah.

Speaker 2 (53:15):
Dude, it was the cavalry charging and yeah, our own
fair enough.

Speaker 1 (53:19):
We didn't have a breastplate on the horse, like a yeah, no,
I wish they should.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
I had a giant red hole cand that I was
holding a beer in nice, so you know, it was
it was helping me defend myself though it was a
nice shield.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I've been arrested multiple times, and the meanest a cop
has ever been to me was when I was in
downtown Austin and didn't get arrested, and I was just
really drunk and touched the police horse. And I have
never can't do that, never gotten a talking to you
like that before.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
We can't pet him. They will get furious. I don't
like it, and you shouldn't. I was just shit faced.
Although you pay taxes, it's my horse, that's yours, yes,
just like that's your gun. Yeah, reach for that gun.
You can. Honestly, people don't know this, but say you're
down on cash, you don't have any maybe your iPhone died.

(54:12):
You can't call an uber. You're legally allowed to take
a police horse.

Speaker 1 (54:16):
That's your horse. Car that's yours. The person obviously not.
You can't own a person. Fourteenth Amendment thirteen men, which
everyone it is you can't own a person.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
Doesn't say anything about horses.

Speaker 1 (54:24):
You do own all of their stuff, though that they
have it official any government worker. Yeah, you can't take
up their phone unless it's the government pays for the phone.
But like the gun, the horse, the car, Yeah, that's
all yours certainly.

Speaker 2 (54:38):
Yeah, you go into a classroom, teacher pays for things
out of her own pocket for the classroom. Yeah, it
doesn't matter. You can take that.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
I think really we should, uh, if we're going to
redirect tax dollars, give the teachers more money for their
supplies and take it from take it out of the
cops gun budget. Not because I don't want cops to
have guns, but because if there is anyone who would
happily upgrade what they're carrying, it's a fucking cop or

(55:14):
teacher or teacher. If there are too arm the teachers,
which seems like the every time someone told that to me,
I was like, it feels like that's not the right solution.
I know teachers, they don't want to carry guns now,
and you don't want them to carry guns.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Probably not, although I'll pistol whip to a kid here
and there, it might start acting, might keep the kids
in line. To be honest, imagine if our nuns at
Catholic school had guns, I might have actually believed in God.

Speaker 1 (55:42):
Oh that's what kept you no b it and I.

Speaker 2 (55:46):
Actually have come all the way back on the true
Catholic we Uh. Probably isn't a thing anymore. It can't
be a thing anymore.

Speaker 1 (55:53):
But when I was in school, in like grade school,
like we would hear stories about there was one male
teacher who had like he didn't have a bad temper
or anything like that, but we thought he did. But
he was like a god tear yeller, you know what
I mean, sure, just like a deep, deep.

Speaker 2 (56:12):
Bass really put you in your place.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Oh, I know, fucking and it made the rumors ran
wild about how one time he held a kid out
a window by his neck because he was right, which
isn't even believable anymore, but it was believable back then.
And you didn't fuck around in mister Schulte's class. Nicest
guy in the world in better time. But honestly, yeah,
we lived in the peak. When you got in mister

(56:34):
Schulti's class, you shut the fuck up.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
Anyway. That's just kind of a general overview of what
your grandparents probably did in college. Hell yeah, Panny raids,
your grandpa, your granpy, maybe even your dad holding panties
up to his nose and sniffing them.

Speaker 1 (56:49):
Hell yeah, when he go you hit the TV.

Speaker 2 (56:52):
He didn't knock anything out, Okay, good, I was really
worried for a second. Yep, there it goes, and we
can't say ourselves anymore. But I believe we are still
going sweet. This is what happens when you move. I
know I'm an antsy guy. You're such a spaz.

Speaker 1 (57:07):
That's that's one hundred percent on me.

Speaker 2 (57:09):
You're the biggest fucking spas.

Speaker 1 (57:11):
I know. At least you believe my ad d I don't.
You still don't know.

Speaker 2 (57:16):
I think you're a fraud.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
What could it possibly be?

Speaker 2 (57:19):
Spaz?

Speaker 1 (57:20):
Okay, a loser? Well, I'm not debating that.

Speaker 2 (57:24):
Yeah, I mean, look at our fraternity houses. Just a
couple of bottom tier billies over here playing settlers A
Katan and car. I didn't play it well, sounds like
you played it.

Speaker 1 (57:37):
I did.

Speaker 2 (57:38):
There was actually another time I'll tell the story. No, no,
we don't have time for this. No, I don't want
another Settler as Katon story.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
But those same guys, they always wanted to go to
this one die bar that no one went to and
it was like no girls.

Speaker 2 (57:51):
There, guys and I did that was Wednesday night, a dev.

Speaker 1 (57:54):
They always wanted to do it every night, and it
got to the point they also didn't card hard and
a lot of them are under twenty one, and me
and my buddy who like won it, and they all
had fake id's and we had faked We all wanted
to go to the bar where like girls were at,
and we were annoyed that like our whole crew was
going to this shitty bar and that didn't card anyone,
And we were like, should we just like call cops
on that bar just so that they can't go there anymore.

Speaker 2 (58:15):
I don't want to do a show with you anymore.
If you've told me you called the cops on your
own guys, we didn't.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
We didn't what we would be called on the bar,
not them. Should we just called liquor patrol and just
get this bar shut down to stop them?

Speaker 2 (58:26):
Now, not only are you a spaz, but you're a
goddamn rat.

Speaker 1 (58:29):
I didn't rat. I just wanted the guys to go
out with where girls were.

Speaker 2 (58:33):
I can't believe I'm looking across the couch.

Speaker 1 (58:36):
It was completely justified, and I stand by my hypothetical
actions I never went through with.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
Anyway. That's our episode for today. Make sure to check
us out on patreon dot com. Slash Software History two
additional episodes, one every Wednesday and one every Friday. And
at this point we have three and a half four
years of Evergreen.

Speaker 1 (58:56):
We might need to start saying four. Might start saying four.
Been new in the.

Speaker 2 (58:59):
Show for over five now. So Patreon came I think
like a year and a half later.

Speaker 1 (59:04):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
Anyway, Plenty of content, including that Rice a m episode.

Speaker 1 (59:10):
It was great.

Speaker 2 (59:12):
I enjoyed this episode as well.

Speaker 1 (59:13):
Oh, I love a good college episode. Really lets us riff.

Speaker 2 (59:16):
It really lets us go back to our glory days.
If I mean that weren't so glorious, you know they
were glorious. It's fine, it's fine. Your glory days were
your early twenties, mid twenties. It was my Yeah, second
time in college.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
That was Actually, we'll have to be a ut student
without going to school.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Yeah, mid to late would be the way to put
mid to late twenties anyway. Check us out on Instagram.
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Speaker 1 (01:00:13):
Nothing but calls cal Raleigh.

Speaker 2 (01:00:17):
I'm excited for the future. Anyway, for Rob Fox, I'm
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