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Initiates, strap yourselves in because we are going down one hell of a rabbit hole.. we are finally diving into the "Satanic Illuminati Music Industry" conspiracy theory. Over the course of 13 episodes we will explore the full gamut of the Faustian Bargain-type mythos that your favourite musicians have allegedly entered with The Prince Of Darkness.

Our springboard for this series is an interview on Ickonic entitled "Music Industry Rituals, MKULTRA & 27 Club Secrets" in which God's grandson, Gareth Icke interviews Coco Sianne Ryder - the daughter of Happy Monday's front man Shaun Ryder and Granddaughter of Folk legend Donovan. As per usual, these people provide no evidence or details of their claims.. so we figured we'd use this opportunity to examine and explore this subject from our unique perspectives as former conspiracy theorists and lay it all out for you.

Topics include: Gareth Icke, Coco Ryder, The Happy Mondays, Donovan, Rick Rubin, System of a Down, The 27 club, The death of Kurt Cobain, The death of Brian Jones, Van Gogh, John Todd, Jack Chick, William Guy Carr, Fritz Springmeier, Robert Johnson, Faust and selling your soul, Tartini, Paganini, Jelly Roll Morton, Peetie Wheatstraw, John Lennon, Bob Dylan, Led Zeppelin, Aleister Crowely, Kenneth Anger, the curse of Led Zeppelin, The Illuminati in the music industry by Mark Dice, The 1991 meeting, Madonna, Britney Spears, Katy Perry, Ye, Drake, Jay Z, Beyonce, Lil Wayne, Professor Griff, Tupac, Talib Kweli, Prodigy, Malachi Z. York, Noreaga, Inspectah Deck, Rihanna, Nicki Minaj, Lady Gaga, Cathy O'Brien, Brice Taylor, Azaelia Banks, Kesha, The eye of providence, Satan and Heavy metal, Black Sabbath, Venom, Coven, Black Metal, Deicide, Shane Lynch, Ouija boards, The Rolling Stones, Mind control in pop music, The Beatles, Tavistock, Theodore Adorno, Foo Fighters, Ecstasy, John Potash, Dave McGowan, Courtney Love, The New York Dolls, The Heartbreakers, Laurel Canyon, Lookout Mountain film studio, Back Masking, Bono, Freemasons, The Krays, Cliff Richards, Elm House & Tony Blair.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:01):
Dear Call It Conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the some Dear Call It Conspiracy podcast, hosted
by Brentley and Neil Sanders. After nearly twenty years exploring
the world of conspiracy culture, we are taking our guests
and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole,
our mission to discover where the truth lies.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
So I've been watching Iconic because I'm a bit of
a masochist, and recently they had what has been described
as one of their most successful videos ever. This really
sort of lit a spark in the audience. If you
look at the comments underneath it on the video, it's
just full of praise, people saying that this was the

(01:03):
most insightful, spiritually enlightening and factually sort of enlightening talk
that they'd heard in ages. And Gareth Iyke, who is
God's grandson, obviously, he interviews somebody called Coco Shan Rider
and previously this I had no idea who this person was.

(01:25):
Did you have any idea who this person was?

Speaker 4 (01:27):
But I had no inkling whatsoever.

Speaker 3 (01:31):
Well, I mean the title of the show or the
interview is Music Industry Rituals m k Ultra and the
twenty seven Club Secrets with Coco Shann Ryder. So we'll
just let Gareth explain what is happening here. So Gareth
starts by saying hello and welcome to a special episode

(01:52):
of Gareth Tonight. In a break from our normal format,
I'm going to be sitting down with one guest for
a long form interview. Tonight, I'm joined by Coco Sean Rider.
Coco is about as genetically connected to the UK music
industry as you can get. Her grandfather is Scottish singer Donovan,
her father is Sean Rider of the Happy Mondays, and

(02:12):
her uncle is the son of Rolling Stone's founding member
Brian Jones. Her family also connects into freemasonry and the
British royal family, which has led her to delve deep
into the connections between the elite bloodlines and the music industry.
It promises to be a fascinating conversation. Coco, thank you
so much for joining us. What was it like growing

(02:34):
up you know, not only connected to one legendary music icon,
but essentially three and so I think we're in for
a treat because I saw this and I thought, whoop,
be satanic music industry. We've finally got an opportunity to
do that, and as this woman, and as gar says,
her father is Sean Rider of the Happy Mondays, her

(02:56):
grandfather is Donovan the Folks singer, and her uncle is
the son of Brian Jones, who was the guitar player
from the original guitar Player from the Rolling Stones. So,
as Garth says, she is about as genetically connected to
the music industry as you can get. What do you
think about that, Brent.

Speaker 4 (03:15):
Well, it made me laugh straight away before well, you know,
I'm kind of sold because of the appeal to authority
that they've laid out straight out the gate. But to
be honest, it did make me laugh. And the first
thing I thought was, well, i'm jeenetically linked to the
US military, the US government.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
You know, now you've said that, that will be all
over the message boards like not only not only were
they on the BBC, but he's connected to the military.
But yes, this is this is what I thought as well, Like,
you know, my one was like, oh, well, I'm then
therefore an expert on the education industry because not only
was my mum a teacher, but I also went to school.

(03:59):
So there is nothing about any aspect of that that
that that is a secret to me. You know, it's
just an open book.

Speaker 4 (04:10):
I was really hoping you were going to say your
mum was a dinner lady.

Speaker 3 (04:14):
No, no, she's she was actually a really good teacher actually,
so like and yeah, in fact, at her house there's
a lot of furniture and you wouldn't know it, but
she's made it. Like it's all brilliant stuff. So there
you go. And that's why I'm also an expert on
carpentry and stuff like that. You know, I'm genetically connected

(04:36):
to it, so there's no getting out of it. Like,
I mean, the other way of thinking it is that,
like you know, I have a friend that's a head chef,
and I have also eaten in restaurants. By their logic,
you know, we could now do an hour or two
about being experts about the restaurant industry because we're genetically
connected to it. There it goes. So anyway, So Coco

(05:02):
Sean Ryder, is she genetically connected to the music industry
kind of? I mean she's got an estranged father and
her grandfather is a famous musician. Now there's going to
be some contradictions as this goes on, but we will
sort of explain and unpick it, But let's delve a

(05:23):
little bit into Coco's background. The Manchester Evening News in
two thousand and four, under the headline Unhappy mondays, which
is you know clever? She was the privileged daughter of
mellow sixties troubadour Donovan and he was the hedonistic anti
hero of the Manchester Hero. Together, Oriol Leech and Sean

(05:44):
Ryder made beautiful music, sharing the thrills and spills of
life on the road with the wildest musicians this city
has ever produced. But when their heated love affair was
never to be said by riders well documented excessors, Oriole
was quite literally left holding the baby. And now, in
an amazingly frank and emotional appeal, Oriole has urged the

(06:05):
former Happy Monday's front man to play a part in
the life of nine year old Cocoa, the daughter he
has not made contact with for more than three years.
Her voice shaking, Oriol thirty says, I think I'm pronouncing
that right. It's an Irish name, so god knows. Coco
was really young when we split up, just turning six,
but she still remembers her daddy as a wonderful person.

(06:27):
We talk about him a lot, because I don't want
her thinking he doesn't want her or care about her.
I haven't understanding with her that she knows his situation,
that he has a lifelong history of drug addiction and
that he's like a child, but that he still cares
about her. Basically, I just tried to keep it as
positive and light as possible. She cries about him sometimes,

(06:47):
and she's old enough now to have contact with him
to a certain extent, which is why we're trying to
reach out. She just wants to tell him that she
loves him. And so this is obviously that the Oriol
is Donovan's daughter, and that is Coco's mother, And how

(07:08):
she met Sean Ryder was because her sister Estrella was
living and was the partner of Paul Ryder, who was
I forget what is the bass player or the guitar player,
but he was also a member of the Happy Monday.
Is obviously Sean Rider's brother. I learned a lot about
people from Sean and living in Manchester. It wasn't exactly happy.
Money was tight and there were problems. We only stayed

(07:29):
together so long because the sex was so good. I'm
glad that she's put that there so that her daughter
can read that later in life. The pregnancy wasn't planned.
But I love my daughter and I am very glad
to have a child with Sean. Unfortunately, I just wish
he hadn't had so many problems. The day o Earl
went into Lave with Coco was typically chaotic. She says.

(07:50):
He didn't make the actual birth. His friend had just
got out of jail and they had celebrated the night before.
I had to carry Sean and my bag down the stairs.
So in twenty thirteen, The Daily Star did a story
called Happy Monday. Sean Ryder not such a perfect dad,
she insisted. He is a woman beating addict who smoked
heroin while looking after her as a child. Coco eighteen,

(08:13):
one of Ryder's six children by four women, has not
seen her dad since he walked out on her mother
when she was five, leaving them broken homeless. She said
he would scream and I remember windows being smashed. I
have flashbacks. I remember this feeling of panic, of just
wanting him to stop. I don't want a relationship with him,
but it would be nice if you could just say sorry.

(08:34):
Legendary drugger, he's a rider spoke to a national newspaper recently,
calling himself a great dad and saying his children all
loved him. Coco said, when I saw that, I just shrugged.
It's been difficult to read, but I have certain numbness
where he's concerned. He left when I was five, and
for years I constantly asked where my daddy was. I

(08:54):
stopped at about ten and so. And I don't wish
to be cruel. Okay, she's very much estranged from her father.
Nothing that's not her fault, and it's obviously a tragic situation,
but I don't see how that immediately gives her an
insight into the industry. However, she has mostly lived with Donovan,

(09:16):
her grandfather, and in twenty seventeen, The Irish Independent ran
a story saying how Donovan and Coco's granddaughter caught their wind.
Holding a joint art and photography exhibition with your grandfather
is an unusual thing to do by anyone's standards. But
then again, focusing a songwriter, Donovan seventy and his granddaughter
Coco Sean twenty two are far from ordinary people. Then

(09:39):
there's Coco, whose famous dad is Sean Ryder of the
Happy Mondays. His relationship with her memorial ended when she
was five. As a result, her grandfather Donovan has become
a strong father figure in her life, along with her
brother Sebastian, who was three years older than her. The
beginning Iridescence, which opens this week at Origin in Dublin.

(10:01):
Her paintings are full of color and life, with loads
of movement in them, and she's excited to see how
they would be received. Art is a common bond with
Cocine and her grandfather, and she says that they both
have a desire to understand themselves in humanity through creativity.
There is an esoteric, spiritual inner meaning behind his music,
and it's the same for my artwork, she says. So

(10:24):
as she gets into early twenties, she's still not in
touch for Sean Ryder, but she is living with her
grandfather or certainly in very strong contact with him, and
he seems to be a very positive force, and they've
put on our exhibitions together. So she's clearly quite an
accomplished artist. By the sounds of it, a photographer as well.
Got that creative bug in her, and it sounds like

(10:46):
through Donovan, she seems to have had some sort of
opportunity to express that and to sort of try it
out in the public, which which is great. In twenty twenty,
Music News wrote, Donovan has urned Sean Ryder to make
peace with his estranged daughter. Donovan has urged Happy Monday
star Seawan Ryder to make peace with his estranged daughter.

(11:07):
She's an incredible artist, not only a patron sculptor, but
a performance artist, which makes sense being Sean's daughter. They've
been estranged, but at one point they'll get together. I'd
like Sean to meet his daughter again and for them
to realize that they're part of the same journey. So
this and some of us who are familiar with our
work might see the foreshadowing here. But one thing that

(11:29):
we could definitely say about Coco is that she's very,
very creative. She's got all of these creative outlets that
she's trying, and evidently she's one of these people that
seem to be quite good turning around to various discipline,
say painting, sculpting, performance artists, which I'm sure there's an
element of acting. I'm sure she said at one point

(11:50):
in other interviews that she's dallied with music and such
like that as well, and she's been surrounded by all
these people, so it would make sense that she has
a creative bench, shall we say so anyway, Coco says, yeah,
I'm definitely interesting. I definitely had a unique life, a
strange life. I traveled a lot, changed school, a lot,

(12:11):
changed country, a lot, changed the house a lot. I
didn't have such a crazy life like how my mother
and siblings did, and you know, growing up really in
the entertainment sphere and on the music industry scene and
stuff like that. So I had a more safe and
isolated life growing up in the countryside of Spain and
Ireland and stuff like that. I did have some strange
exposure when I lived in la for a couple of
years as a kid, but no, it was in general

(12:34):
very interesting, surrounded by a lot of creativity and music.
So Garth says, I wonder about that. What was your
childhood like in that sense? Said, was it?

Speaker 1 (12:43):
You know?

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Because I could just imagine just like people just sat
around guitars everywhere, and like you say, all this creativity everywhere.
Coco says, I think that was more my mother's experience.
When her parents, Linda and Donovan, were living in California
in the desert, and they used to have a lot
of art. He surrounds a lot of people around, and
he used to just throw parties all the time. And
for me, it was more like my grandfather was the

(13:06):
one in the house playing music around the fire and
stuff like that, and it was more to do with
the family, more close and intimate, rather than just having
a lot of crazy people around and a lot of
artists around. So the creativity really just came from my
immediate family rather than being immersed into the music world.
And I thought, oh, well, that's boring, because isn't this

(13:26):
whole point that she's immersed in this thing, Like immediately
within the first question, she said, yeah, I mean I
don't really know anything about it because I don't really
live in that now. Some might say that that undermines it,
but but you know, Garth doesn't mind. He's cracking on.

(13:49):
Well I'm calling him Garth because you know, he's a
side character anyway. He's Yeah, even in his own life,
he's very much the secondary character. But we'll come on
to that later. So who is Sean Ryder? This is

(14:09):
Coco's dad. Sean William George Ryder born twenty third of
August nineteen sixty two is an English singer and the
lead singer of the Happy Mondays. He was a leading
figure in the Madchester cultural scene during the late eighties
and early nineties, when the Madchester was where Manchester became
for a short time due to Factory Records and a

(14:31):
lot of bands in that era that were mixing together
guitar music and sometimes dance. Also with the influx of
ecstasy as a party drug connected to the Hacienda, which
was a nightclub. All of these things came together. Fashion
came out of it. Baggy clothes, Joe blogs, jeans, that

(14:52):
sort of thing, certain haircuts, certain styles. It became known
as Madchester because it was mad for it Manchester, Yes, yes,
exactly now. A very good film about the whole thing
was twenty four Hour Party People with Steve Coogan tell
us the story of Factory Records and to a lesser extent,

(15:14):
the Happy Mondays. The other thing that Happy Mondays are
known for is bez Bez is their drugged up friend
who would dance on stage in order to get the
audience going. So and he's become like a sort of
he's become a thing. Now has is it an adjective,

(15:35):
because somebody you're just a bez. You're just a bez.
You're just somewhere there to get the crowd going. You're
not really a member of the band, which is pretty cool. Also,
people might know Sean Ridy is the guys the disembodied
head that says it's coming up, It's coming up on
the Guerrillas single Dare, which actually went to number one

(15:56):
in the UK Singles charts in two thousand and five.
Do you know what the first Happy Mondays album was called? No,
it was called Squirrel and the g Man, Twenty four
Hour Party People, Plastic Face, Can't Smile, White Out, Oh obviously,
And this was that came out in nineteen eighty seven,

(16:16):
the one that most people are although that does have
twenty four Hour Party People on that album. The two
albums that people are most sort of familiar with probably
are Bummed that came out in nineteen eighty eight and Pills,
Thrills and Belly Aches, which came out in nineteen ninety.
It was followed by Yes Please in ninety ninet two,
and then much later Uncle Dysfunctional in two thousand and seven.

(16:38):
Now Tony Wilson, who was the founder of Factory Records
claimed that he signed the Happy Mondays after seeing them
come last in a Battle of the bands, during which
time they had a fight on stage. But this is
actually probably not true. I think they got signed far
more sort of just through a process of being watched

(17:00):
and sending demos in and stuff like that. So that's
probably a myth. But one thing that is definitely not
a myth is how the Happy Monday's bankrupted Factory Records
by doing an enormous amount of drugs and uh this
is I forget which I think this is from Mixed

(17:20):
mag In order to prectice protect their assets, Factory Records
decided the best plan to mitigate issues going into the
recording of their fourth album would be to stole the
band away on a Caribbean island, free of the heroine
that had begun to be seed Sean Ryder's life. At
this point, Sean Ryder was heavily in the grip of
a heroin addiction. They'd got him onto methadone, and the

(17:44):
idea was, we need an album. We really need an
album because Factory's struggling at the minute as a record company,
mostly due to spending a huge amount of money on
drugs and frivolous expenses and just you know, hedonism essentially,
So they decided will send him to this particular eye
island in the Caribbean. Unfortunately, he dropped all of his

(18:07):
methadone in the airport before they'd even got on the plane,
and methadone comes in glass bottles, so it all broke
and he basically lost his entire stash of methadone before
he'd even got onto the plane. Now, luckily this particular
island that they were recording on in the Caribbean, there

(18:28):
was no heroine there. There just simply wasn't any heroine.
It just there was no way to get it to
the island. There was a fuck ton of crack, though,
more crack than you could shake a stick at. And
so basically what happened was the happy when days arrived
at Eddie Grant, a famous reggae star, his Blue Waves

(18:50):
studio in Barbados, with all the right intentions. Late factory
records manager Tony Wilson felt assured by the optimism going
to the recording only we were informed that within forty
eight hours of the arrival that Ryder had started racking
up fifty rocks of crack per day. Wilson had also
made the disastrous decision to give them a hefty per diem,
thinking that it would go towards the record, and seeing

(19:12):
as though drugs weren't a problem in the Caribbean, they'd
have a tough time squandering it. However, once he'd heard
about the spiraling crack problem, he charted a flight straight over,
and as his plane was coming to land, he witnessed
Rider and Bez wheeling a sofa down the street, apparently
to sell it for binge funds. Sofas were the least
of Wilson's worries. He soon found out that the band

(19:33):
had begun selling Grant's recording equipment and had crafted a
makeshift crack den out of some loungers in his swimming pool.
There might have been no heroin on the island, but
as Wilson later remarked, but no one told us it
was crack city, adding the day we pulled the recording
because it completely collapsed due to crack, a person from
the band was stopped at one am with the backfire doors.

(19:56):
With the backfire doors of the studio open. He was
taking two sofas out Eddie Grant's studio to take them
down to the town to sell them for crack. As
if the burgeoning crack issue hadn't hindered the album enough,
Bears later overturned a higher jupe and was fortunate enough
to escape with merely a broken arm that nevertheless halved
his miraca shaking capabilities. Ridy was suffering from substance indeced

(20:23):
writer's block after splurging hundreds of thousands and in the
process leaving a small cracker pandemic on the island in
their wake. They returned to the UK with unusable recordings
with no vocals and a heavily hindered solid fidelity Owing
to the rapidly diminishing equipment available to them in the
recording studio, Ryder held firm on these master tapes. Nonetheless,
he threatened to destroy them if he wasn't given some money,

(20:45):
but although he was happy to eventually settle for fifty
pounds that he was offered, he turned up in a
pub with a drug dealer and possibly a gun depending
on who you think, with the masters and Yeah threatened
to hold them off, but eventually sold them back to
Factory Records for fifty grad, but there weren't any vocals
on them and it was all incomplete.

Speaker 4 (21:06):
Anyway, something I do know about Sean Rader is that
he was the only person ever named to be banned
from live television in England.

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Because of tfive Friday. Yeah, there was two famous vents.
He five Friday was a bit of a cultural phenomenon.
It was on a Friday afternoon when we were at school,
and it was the thing that you would watch before
you went out, and Chris Evans was the host, and
it really tapped into the sort of youth Zeit guide
It was a bit like the Word, only more sanitized,

(21:42):
and it did have bands like the Word and interviews
and it was trying to be outrageous. Sean Ryder did
two things. One he did a sex pistols TRIVIU. We're
supposed to do pretty vacant, but it just sort of
collapsed into screaming fuck and over and over again. Didn't he.

Speaker 4 (22:01):
Time?

Speaker 3 (22:02):
Thirteen times? Was it marvelous?

Speaker 5 (22:05):
The second time I remember he was he was doing
an interview with Chris Evans, and Chris Evans literally took
off his shoes and said, I will give you my
shoes if you can go to this entire interview without swearing, to.

Speaker 3 (22:19):
Which Sean Ryder went, Patrick Cox, they're fucking good shoes.
And after that Tier five Friday was no longer allowed
to be broadcast live.

Speaker 4 (22:32):
No, they had to pre record everything. Yeah great, Hey
it got overhurned in twenty fifteen.

Speaker 3 (22:38):
Oh did it all right?

Speaker 1 (22:40):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
Fair enough? That's uh. But yeah, that's Sean Ryder, a
bit of a bit, a bit of a character. But
who is Donovan? Donovan Phillips Leitch born May tenth, nineteen
forty six, Known simply as Donovan, he's a Scottish musician, songwriter,
and record producer. Emerged from the British folk scene in

(23:02):
early nineteen sixty sixty five and subsequently scored numerous international
hit singles and albums. During the late nineteen sixties, His
work became emblematic of the Flower Power era, with its
blend of folk, pop, psychedelia and jazz stylings. So Dinamand's
greatest hits include singles like Sunshine, Superman Mellow Yellow, which

(23:24):
is the one that I know, you know they call.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Me May Yeah right, I'm not hot on Donovan. I
don't have a clue, but I do know that.

Speaker 3 (23:31):
Song yeah, well this is the thing, like he's one
of these people where he was really really influential. Other
songs Jennifer Juniper, Hurdy Gurdie Man catched the Wind, Season
of the Witch, and there is a Mountain Sunshine Superman
was another one, and where Your Love Like Heaven. Now

(23:56):
you might have spotted seeing us hang on. This is
a satan illuminati music industry, like we're looking for symbolism
and stuff like that. Well, sometimes it depends, because you
might have noticed that Donovan's got a song called the
Season of the Witch. Now, usually people would be jumping
on that like a dog on hot chips and saying,

(24:18):
hang on. That mentions witches. That's obviously about witches or
some shit that's the ilubanati. So Season of the Witch
is actually a song about paranoia, specifically the infiltration of
hard drugs into the burgeoning nineteen sixties rock and folk scenes,
which Donovan felt was a threat to the era's freedoms.

(24:39):
The title, the lyrics, they're not literal. They're a metaphor
for a darker, more repressive force encroaching on the counterculture,
which Donovan saw as a Season of the Witch. When
authorities cracked down and Paradoia grew also that it was
somewhat prophetic because Donovan was one of the first musicians
to be arrested for smoking barrijuana in the u UK.

(25:00):
But usually Season of the Witch would be something that
people will be picking at and going, oh, look at
these themes, this is dark.

Speaker 4 (25:09):
Or just the fact that he was famous.

Speaker 3 (25:12):
Well, this is something that well, this is something that
we're going to come on to basically, because he was
not only famous, but he was bloody famous. He was
friends with people like Jones Byers, He was friends with
Brian Jones of the Rolling Stones. That's how he came
to essentially adopt Brian Jones's son after Brian Jones's death.

(25:34):
He was friends with the Beatles. He taught John Lennon
how to fingerpick on guitar. Shit, yeah, and so Lennon
and McCartney. He also showed McCartney how to do it,
and Lennon employed this on Dear Prudence, Happiness is a
Warm Gun and Julia also McCartney used it on Blackbird

(25:58):
and they were taught that by Donnod. Do you know
who is backing musicians were in his early years.

Speaker 4 (26:04):
I already know this one.

Speaker 3 (26:05):
Ah, Well, the young gentlemen were Jeff Beck, John Bonham,
Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones l fucking led Zeppelin.
So this guy's got led Zeppelin as his session musicians
before they were led Zeppelin and Jeff Beck playing session
musician stuff for him before you isn't it? Isn't it

(26:30):
friends with the Beatles? Now, in other times that might
be seen as suspicion. It isn't. Of course, Like you know,
it makes sense. You're in the industry, you know these
people like that, That's who your sort of circles are.
But normally that would be well, you know the Beatles,

(26:53):
you know the Rolling Stones, you know led Zeppelin. People
would be talking about he's a gatekeeper that does songs
about witches and shit like that. Strangely, Garth and Coco
don't seem to have spotted this, or don't seem to
think that this is relevant in any way. In nineteen
ninety six, Donovan recorded the album Suitrus. Do you want

(27:17):
to have a guess who was the producer of this album?
This is another one that nine times out of ten
people would go, oh, well, that means he's in the illuminati.
Rick Rubin fucking Rick Rubin. Damn yeah. Now. Rick Rubin
is considered suspicious by some in the in the music industry,

(27:38):
principally because he produced Raining Blood, which is and South
of Heaven, which are albums by Slayer. Slayer. A lot
of people think that they're satanic because you know, there's
a goat on the front of rain in Blood and
South of Heaven reams you know Hell or Earth or

(28:00):
or you know the sky. Maybe anyway, it's seen as satanic.
He also produced run DMC. What was there? What was
rundy MC's like raising hell? Yeah, there you go. So
this ties into with the with that idea, LLL cool J,

(28:20):
Public Enemy and the Beastie Boys and so again, depending
on how and it will get very very silly as
this series goes on. The Beastie Boys are seen by
some as basically spreading well depends on you speak to,
diluting hip hop and soulful hip hop, but promoting sort
of frat culture and sexism and that sort of party

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rock type thing. Public Enemy are militant. L cool J
is sometimes seen as promoting sex, and apparently sex is
a bad and satanic thing. But anyway, so Rick Rubin
is believed by some because of the people that he's
interacted with to be instrumental no pun intended in making

(29:04):
hip hop darker as some sort of clear Illuminati ritual.
There's no evidence to support any of this, but this
is what's thought, and there's loads of people that will
tell you this, and another sort of indication that he's definitely,
definitely into something dodging, aside from the fact that he's
got a beard and genuinely people say he looks a

(29:26):
bit like a wizard, so that.

Speaker 4 (29:27):
Means well that they are correct. It does look like
a wizard.

Speaker 3 (29:32):
It does look a bit like a wizard. Yeah. He
also produced Danzig's debut album. Now, Glenn Danzig obviously was
used to be in the Misfits and according to Christian groups,
is an avowed left hand past Satanist. And I think
Danzig's second album is called Like Lucifuge and they have
a horned skull as their logo, and so that's enough

(29:55):
really now. Obviously, Glenn Danzig himself is repeatedly denied being
a Satanist, for instance telling in Music We Trust in
two thousand and six, I told you I wasn't a Satanist.
The only thing I dig about Satan is he tells
people to go fuck off and fights for individual freedom.
He used Satan as a symbol of rebellion against oppressive

(30:16):
organized religion, which he calls tunnel vision Christian viewpoint. Do
you want to know another band?

Speaker 1 (30:25):
Who?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Rick Rubin, the obviously satanic person, produced slip Knott? Well,
did he do? Did you do latest of my albums?
Did he do?

Speaker 4 (30:37):
Right?

Speaker 3 (30:38):
Okay, fair enough?

Speaker 1 (30:39):
No?

Speaker 4 (30:39):
Third one?

Speaker 3 (30:40):
Oh? The third was satanic? Versus? Is that called?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
I think?

Speaker 1 (30:43):
So?

Speaker 4 (30:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (30:44):
All day?

Speaker 4 (30:44):
That proves it or it must have been second he's done?
He locked them in a haunted house. Did he to record?

Speaker 1 (30:53):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (30:53):
And then he played pranks on them? Oh right, okay, yeah,
that is like the story glory of It's mad. I
quite like him now, but again this is all I
like Rick Rubin. I think he's bad and my god,
what a life.

Speaker 3 (31:11):
Yeah, totally, totally. He's Also he's done some jay z ubbs.
Do you do the Black album by jay Z? Yeah?
So you know, that's obviously proves it. He's Illuminati and whatnot.
But there is another there's another band. Well, again, it depends,
It depends what you which you wish to look at,
which will be a running theme in this as this

(31:33):
goes on. But there was there was another band that
has had several records produced by Rick Rubin that has
a tangential connection to Iconic, and strangely this is never
brought up.

Speaker 4 (31:45):
I am drying a blank here.

Speaker 3 (31:48):
The cult Ah and the Cults who have a name
that invokes the idea of a cult and whose guitarist
goes out with Leilani Dowding, prominent conspiracy theorist and former
employee of Iconic. So the only point that we're trying

(32:09):
to make with this is that basically it very much
appears that a lot of this relies on cherry picking.
Donovan should be problematic in regards to this, because essentially
he's got all these what could be considered red flags
tying him to stallwats of the industry, like legends, giants

(32:32):
of the industry, and as we're about to discover, because
of this industry insider, you cannot get to these places
without selling your soul being involved in the Illuminati, promoting
certain things, being potentially mind controlled. So during Bob Dylan's
trip to the UK, Bob Dylan another Illuminati person. He

(32:54):
has an eye of Horace as a logo on some
of his merchandise, and has claimed to have sold his
soul according to conspiracy theorists. Anyway, in the spring of
nineteen sixty five, the British music press were making comparisons
between Bob Dylan and between Donovan, and they presented it
as a rivalry. Okay, so this is how famous Donovan is.

(33:16):
Donovan is his a rival to Bob Dylan. He's the
Kanye West to his fifty cent if you will, I.

Speaker 4 (33:26):
Was gonna say the Kanye West to Taylor Swift. There
you go.

Speaker 3 (33:30):
He's the Carnee West to numerous people. So anyway, this
actually prompted the Rolling Stones guitarist Brian Jones to pipe up,
and they did become friends eventually. But Brian Jones said this,
We've been watching Donovan too. He isn't too bad a singer,

(33:50):
but his stuff sounds like Dylan. His couch the wind
sounds like Chimes of Freedom. He's got a song, Hey
Tangerine Eyes, and it sounds exactly like like Bob Dylan's
Miss Tambourine Man. So Bob Dylan actually confronted him about
stealing Mister Tambourine Man and Donovan said that, yeah, I
stole it, but I thought that it was a like

(34:11):
a standard folk song. I didn't realize you were exactly yeah, yeah, yeah,
but again, like these are all things that if you
really should be sort of pequking interest. Now. One of
the things that we know all that we're going to
come to find is that the illuminati and the music
industry are there to talk about salacious things, dirty, horrible things,

(34:33):
sex and the like and enjoying yourself. And on October
nineteen sixty six, the single Mellow Yellow was released by Donovan.
This was the song was arranged by John Paul Jones
of Led Zeppelin, and it has an uncredited backing vocal
from Paul McCartney. Wow, exactly, So again, like you know,

(35:00):
these are the things where for some reason we're skipping
over this because Donovan is pretty much the hero of
her life, so we don't She doesn't bother with any
of this. The song was rumored to be about smoking
dried banana skins. Did you ever hear of this at school?
If you would drive banana skins out in a certain
way and then scrape the thing off and make it
into a paste, you can roll it in a joint

(35:21):
and it has mild hallucinogenic properties. I even know, I
even know someone that tried it. It doesn't work, obviously,
it is bollocks like. But but you know someone yeah, yeah, yeah, No,
it wasn't me. It was a friend of.

Speaker 4 (35:38):
The secondhand information. How can I trust it?

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Well, that's true, that that is very true. I mean
they did tell me that they'd tried it and that
it was ship. It was the friend of my friend's
older brother, and they did it for eight They did
the whole process. They had to dry it out in
the air and cupboard and all of this waste. But hey,
how now again, that was what it was supposed to

(36:03):
be about. I think it has the lyric in it
smoking electric banana skins, but it's not about that now.
According to Donovan's liner notes from Donovan's Greatest Here, it's
the rumor that one could get high from smoking dried
banana skins was started by Country Joe McDonald in nineteen
sixty six, and he'd actually heard the rumor before Mellow

(36:25):
Yellow was released, So it doesn't come from the song
Mellow Yellow. It's a massive coincidence. John, to know what's
smoking electric banana Skins is actually a reference to go on.
It's a vibrator. It's a yellow vibrator that was being
sold at the time that was called an electric banana.

(36:46):
Donovan said, I was reading a newspaper and on the
back there was an ad for a yellow dildo called
the Mellow Yellow. Oh so called the mellow Yellow. Really,
you know, the electric banana was right there and gave
it away, and that's what the song is about. So
Mellow Yellow, the song by Donovan's actually about, which has
John Paul Jones as the arranger and Paul McCartney's that
on the back of Vocuse is just an ode to

(37:10):
a yellow vibrator that he saw advertised in the back
of the newspaper. So not to see that coming, he
said in an interview with The Enemy. It's about being cool,
laid back, and also the electrical bananas that were appearing
on the scene, which were ladies vibrators. So the following year,

(37:31):
in nineteen sixty seven, he became really really famous. That
was when it sort of peaked, okay, and if you
wanted to get to get like, nineteen sixty seven is
the long hot summer of rage, Okay. It's also when
Manson got out of prison and the Summer of Love
happened and all of this. Normally we'd be suggesting, well,

(37:51):
this guy can't have just got there on his own merit.
The Illuminati must have pushed him to it. Wouldn't it
be weird as well if like he was like deeply
involved in an incident that has been sort of tied
into Illuminati law and pop culture. Like, for example, if
in ninety sixty eight, if he went to India to

(38:12):
the Ashram of Marahashi Maheshiogi in Rakesh Riksh with the
Beatles and Mia Farroh and Mia Pharaoh's sister Prudence, who
was the inspiration for Dear Prudence, and Mike Love the Wanka,
who was the lead singer from the Beach Boys. So
that famous trip to India that the Beatles went on,

(38:34):
Donovan was on it, and it was on that trip
that he taught Lennon McCartney how to do the fingerpicking
technique on guitar. And it was there that they wrote
Dear Prudence, which is about Mia Farrow's sister, Mia Pharaoh,
who appeared in Rosemary's Baby, which was shot at the

(38:55):
Dakota Building where John Lennon was later murdered, possibly by
the CIA, possibly by somebody under mine control, possibly by
an obsessed fan. The Beach Boys were connected to Charles
Manson because Manson actually recorded albums at Brian Jones's house
and was on Brother Records, always offered a contract through

(39:20):
Brother Records, and actually wrote a few songs. Never Learned
Not To Love was one of his. So again, normally
in the conspiracy world, all of those things would be
like red flags against Donovan's character. But for some reason, again,
we're not going to We're never going to look at those,

(39:41):
We're just not There's a couple of things that, again,
if I were still in my conspiracy mindset, would be
even more damning than that. In twenty nineteen, Donovan released
a song called an album called Eco's Song. This is
an album of songs with an ecological theme. Do you
want to know who the inspiration for his twenty nineteen album.

(40:03):
It's a concept album about the the climate and such
like that, the ecology. Do you want to know who is?
Go have a guess.

Speaker 4 (40:13):
It's Greta, right, It's.

Speaker 3 (40:15):
A fucking concept album about Greta Thunberg.

Speaker 6 (40:17):
Yeah, Donovan, Coco's dad, has got an album that's inspired
by Greta Thunberg that he wanted to adapt adapt into
a live stage show rock opera, and he was only.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Prevented from doing this by COVID. Now again, in the
conspiracy world, Greta Thunberg is considered.

Speaker 4 (40:44):
The anti hero.

Speaker 3 (40:45):
Well, yeah, do you know that Peter Thield genuinely suggested
that she might be the Antichrist?

Speaker 4 (40:50):
Yes, yes, I'd listen to that behind the Bastard's episode.

Speaker 3 (40:54):
Yeah, like absolutely insane. So yeah, again, this should be
a bit of a red flag. Now. The thing is,
when we're talking about illuminati in the music industry, what
it really boils down to a lot of the time
is it comes from a Christian perspective, and we are
going to talk about the origin of this. We're going

(41:14):
to talk about all of the artists like a Trusters.
You're going to know more about that. You're certainly going
to know more about it than fucking these two d
By the end of this series, we're going to touch
on absolutely everything. But it's a Christian thing. So usually
like it's things like devil horns, references to the Devil,
anti Christian iconography and such like that, which is seen

(41:37):
as an indication of strong indication that this person is
probably in the Illuminati. Donovan identifies as a pagan. Yeah,
so he was raised Protestant, but he left the religion
after reading Laos Zuzen and Celtic mythology as a teenager.
So he's got this personal belief system that combines Celtic mythology, Buddhism,

(41:58):
and goddess worship. During a twenty twenty two interview with Variety,
he said, every other sog of mine celebrates the goddess.
She is Mother Nature, and we've been placed in this
extraory position, almost on the edge of extinction, by this
totally overly male view that every resource, every river, every breeze,
every cloud, every metal in the land should be raped

(42:18):
and pillaged and sold as a commodity. Now again, that
should be a huge, huge red flag in the conspiracy world.
Like the mother goddess Gaia is seen as Queen Semaramas
is it. It's basically it's absolute babylon worship. You can

(42:38):
see this in the conspiracy world. They'll say that things
like the Statue of Liberty, the woman that's holding the torch,
you know on Columbia, Thank you, These are all references
to the goddess Semaramis. And so that's one of the
sort of beefs that they have with ecology and climate

(43:01):
change and stuff like that, that it's guaya worship, that
it's worshiping the goddess. That essentially it's paganism, which in
their mind is satanism disguised as concern for the planet
or whatever.

Speaker 4 (43:14):
I'd also add that they throw images of Mary in there. Yeah,
and also isis is also the same thing an.

Speaker 3 (43:23):
Eastern ishtar and all that shit. Basically like anybody where
it's a.

Speaker 4 (43:27):
All of the woman goddesses.

Speaker 3 (43:30):
Well, obviously, for some reason, modern Christians have got a
real problem with that, even when it's there, even when
it's Mary sometimes. So anyway, all of this is completely ignored.
And it turns out that Coco is an artist. She's
got a couple of exhibitions of her paintings with Donovan.

(43:50):
She's also into sculpture. She's a musician. She likes writing
and being creative I presume poetry and short stories and
things like that. And she moved to Florence to be
a successful artist, but Covid seems to have got in
the way, and this made her think, do I want

(44:11):
to be a success in such a system that is
clearly corrupt and clearly something sinister going on with it.
It's nothing to do with the fact that she couldn't
get any work. It was something that she came to
with her own mind, so Garth says, So, yeah, absolutely,

(44:32):
when did you start to realize in terms of obviously,
with the whole COVID lockdown and the world going mad?
It's still mad, isn't it? But that obviously opened your
eyes in a different way. And I'd just like to
jump in at this point and point out that Gareth's
dad thinks that he's a reincarnation of Christ, that the
moon is fake, that sat and broadcast reality, and that

(44:54):
lizards run the planet anyway, But it's still mad, isn't
It Obviously opened your eyes in a different way. But
in terms of music, and I guess, you know, Hollywood,
just the arts in general, when did you start to
realize that maybe there were some dark undertones to that industry? Well?

(45:14):
I always knew of the dark undertones because my mother
always told me of all the crazy stories about how
she grew up, and there's lots of mental illness and
a lot of sick and sort of perverted individuals that
are within these spheres of entertainment. She doesn't elaborate on this,
and I was annoyed because that sounded interesting. But anyway,
so I always knew about that ever since I was

(45:36):
a young child, which is why my mother tried to
keep me safe from all of that. But I kind
of when I was fourteen or fifteen, I started listening
to System of the Down, which they used to sing
about how the system is fucked basically, and like, I
have mixed thoughts about it. I started giggling at this point, Yeah,

(45:57):
because System of a Down, like they try blessed, but
they're always like I know this, this is going to
sound like terribly. Oh can you see Texas. I think
they're awesome, but I do think that essentially they're like
the Ladybird's Book of Shit is bad when it comes
to politics, Like they like their political census essentially anti war,

(46:20):
anti imperialism, the criticism of good government, corruption in the
prison industrial complex. In that song they're trying to build
a prison, and recognition of the Armenian genocide. They do
have some supports of like humans rights, the shows and
stuff like that, but like again, I mean fair enough,

(46:41):
it's an entry point and stuff like that. But again
they always just stuck me as a sort of like
shit is bad. Yeah, like you know, bad stuff is
bad and that's it. Like it wasn't really that particularly complicated.
Although Latinly Surge tankying as Is the singer, is a
staun component of Donald Trump, he's a support of Black

(47:03):
Lives Matter, as continuously called for ceasefire in Gaza, and
again they continue to advocate for sort of more awareness
of the Armenian genocide. However, John Dolloman, the drummer, is
actually a vocal supporter of Donald Trump, and he said

(47:26):
that Donald Trump brings a little sanity back to the US.
He has criticized the Black Lives Matter movement and claims
that he's lost fans due to his controversial opinions. Now again,
I really like System of Dan, Like we're not gonna
ship on the System of Adwan. Yeah. System of Down
are awesome. They towards the sort of hypnotized Mesrise era.

(47:50):
I saw them. I saw them off the back of
the first album and off the back of Toxicity, and
then off the back of hypnotized Mesrise, and by that
time it was clear that Surge wanted to be anywhere,
but in that band, he was phoning it in so
fucking hard, like the hey, how what.

Speaker 4 (48:09):
Can you do? Yeah, I've never seen them, but I
do know one fun fact about them is they're a
Christian band. Really really, That's actually how Surge describes the band.

Speaker 3 (48:24):
Oh well, do you want to know who else crazy?
Do you know who else is? Well, they're not a
Christian band, But people would be surprised to learn that
the lead singer is a devout Catholic.

Speaker 4 (48:38):
That we've mentioned them already, Happy mondays No Slayer.

Speaker 3 (48:46):
Tom Ariah from Slayer is Catholic, which kind of goes
against this whole idea that they're this terrible satanic band.
And yeah, and there links to Rick Rumin and all that. Yeah,
it's a joke. They know what they'd fucking They did
it because it sells records essentially, and because they thought
it was funny. But so anyway, Coco continues, and that's

(49:10):
when I first developed my mistrust for the system as
a whole. When I was fourteen, and then when I
was around sixteen seventeen, I started reading a lot of
esoteric literature and getting pretty deep into conspiracy theories.

Speaker 4 (49:21):
I was thinking, bingo, this is where the seeds start
getting planted.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:26):
Absolutely, yeah, and again this would be I'm being a bitch,
But like that, that's essentially how we got into it.
It was character it was counterculture. It was Jedi mind tricks.
It was you know, bands like that Wu Tang Clan
talking about the mind control theory, like you know, you
felt that it was. It was punk rock, and at

(49:48):
the time conspiracy theories were they were left leaning, anti establishment,
anti oppression. They're not that now that they're totally not
that now. So although I'm being a bit of a bitch,
I'm being a bit unfair to be quite honest, because
essentially this is exactly what we did to goddists. So

(50:09):
she goes on, and this was back when the Internet
was still useful and you could find a lot of
interesting information. So I really had access to all the
things you could think of when it comes to conspiracy theories.
I was really all of it. And it wasn't really
until a couple of years later that it started to
spill into my own life and I started to make
connections about my own experiences and my family's experiences. So

(50:31):
she's been on the Internet and she's involved herself in
this thing. That's a community that she wants to be
involved in. And again, I'm not even criticizing it. It's
exactly what we fucking did. It is what you do
when you're into something that you like, you go, I
want to be a part of that. Okay, that's why

(50:54):
we both formed bands, That's why we both got into
conspiracy theories and started like right stuff because we were
interested in it. And so she's doing the same thing.
But I would err on caution because again she's being
pitched as an insider, somebody that that has this intimate knowledge.

(51:14):
Thus far, she's explained that actually she doesn't have this,
and essentially she's she's she's sort of read the same
things that we've read. She's been on the same message
Boy was that we went on and stuff like that.
It's that's it, really, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (51:28):
Yeah, she she grew up in the countryside and she
has been on the internet. Listen, I've learned from so far.

Speaker 3 (51:36):
Yeah, fair enough.