2/5 Natural Nurse or Toxic Influence? The Paloma Shemirani Story

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So there call it conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the Some Dear Call It Conspiracy podcast, hosted
by Brentley and Neil Sanders. After nearly twenty years exploring
the world of conspiracy culture, we are taking our guests
and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole,
our mission to discover where the truth lies.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
So if we remember where we'd left off, very very sadly,
Paloma Sremaranni had died and case Sheremarani had been on
the Ritchie Allen Show to explain her side of the story,
where she claimed that essentially the treatment by the NHS
was flawed. She didn't think she had cancer of any type.

(01:04):
She felt that there was some other people that could
have treated her, and she felt that Paloma died when
she was given an overdose of adrenaline by a paramedic
who injected her directly into the bone with a type
of sort of gun as opposed to sort of a needle.

(01:24):
And this is what she said on the Ritchie Allen Show.
And we pointed out in the last episode that there
were certain things that had not been fully answered, like
why was she doing Gerson if she didn't actually have
cancer as k claimed like, if she knew all these
people in these clinics in Iran and Germany and wherever
she said, Mexico, and she felt that the NHS diagnosis

(01:47):
wasn't correct, why don't she goes to one of those
clinics and get another diagnosis. Why did paloma weigh so
little less than six stone? What caused her to go
into the heart failure that required CPR, that required Kate
to call the NHS. Why did she call the NHS

(02:07):
if she didn't trust the NHS. These were all questions
that were raised, and may well there may well be
answers to those, because it was only a very short
interview with Richie. Now, Richie Allen is somebody that we
both kind of know, don't we, Like you know, I
used to actually be a relatively regular guest on Richie

(02:28):
Allen's show, but not anymore. And just in case anyone's
wondering what happened, was basically in sort of twenty twenty
When was it twenty one? Twenty two October twenty twenty one.
I was still sort of in the conspiracy world at
this point, but I wasn't sort of getting on with
a lot of people. I'd severed ties with Iconic by

(02:50):
this point, and I was mostly rowing with people on podcasts.
But Neil, that's what you do all the time anyway, Yes,
well you know, but I was doing it on podcasts anyway.
So I've written a series of articles basically debunking all
the sort of COVID conspiracies which are actually out on
our podcast that I forget where they are, but basically

(03:10):
go and look at them. And my contention as well
was that the government wasn't actually trying to lock everybody
up and micro chip them, that they're actually trying to
promote herd immunity and basically didn't really give a shit
about people. Anyway. I wrote a series of articles and
I sent them to Richie basically saying like, let me
come on your show and talk about this, and Richie

(03:32):
answerd said, Hey, Neil, I read that mate. It was
very well written. I see things a bit differently, and
I'm happy to debate you anytime. You are free to
come on with me. I have loads of availability next
week copal as well. And so I responded, a debate
sounds like a competition. How's about a friendly chat?

Speaker 1 (03:47):
Lol?

Speaker 3 (03:47):
Did you get a chance to read the Herd immunity
article two. What did you think? Richie responded, I only
ever have friendly chats with my guest Neil. I did
read the herd Community article. Like I said, very well
written pieces, but I see things differently. It would make
for a good forty to forty five minute chat. Let
me know if you can come on next week. And
then a couple of days later I respond, Hi, mate, sorry,

(04:09):
I got mega snowed under at work this week. Next
week is probably better for me, if that's okay with you, man,
And I didn't get a response, so I sent another one,
just basically explaining. So there's two articles, by the way,
there's the herd community one which details the source of
the COVID downplaying is actually the HM Treasury and Nudge
Unit and Tory donors. And the second article that explains

(04:32):
the misconception seeded by these groups. This is the third article.
And so I sent him the third article that i'd done,
and he still doesn't respond. The third one is about
basically Cambridge Analytica, and then he finally responds and says, no,
you keep sending me articles, yet you won't accept an
invite on the show. I don't get you. I'd like
you to have you on for a good old fashioned

(04:52):
debate named the day, mate, And so I politely point
out that I was waiting for you to come back
to me. The last thing I said was Hi, mate, Sorry,
I got mega snowed under at work this week. Next
week is probably better for me, if that's okay with you, Man,
I do want to hector you. Then I just sent
you the iterations of my three articles as they came out. Lol.

(05:13):
Obviously cross wires by the way, you okay, because I
saw that you weren't feeling well. The last two have
basically been MP three's of me reading the articles as
there pretty long. Anyway, I'd love to come on and
chat in that regard. Have you ever seen have you
seen that Liz Truss has recently been using silentmn Dolan's
private jet at the expense of the taxpayer. Then I

(05:34):
sent him another one a couple of days later, saying
let me know when you're feeling better, and he never
read those responses you can see on Skype where basically
somebody has bothered to read a response and he never
bothered to read them, which is just strange, to be
quite honest. So yeah, I sent to him a message
saying next week's good for me, And he came back

(05:57):
to me and said, why do you keep sending me articles?
Why not saying when you can come on the show,
And then he never bothered to check another response that
I sent him. Strange anyway, Now you got in touch
with Richie Allen recently too, didn't you.

Speaker 4 (06:13):
I did when we did our Manchester podcast. I actually
tweeted him publicly and said that you know, we would
be interested in coming on his show and discussing our evidence.
Would would he like me to send him the full

(06:35):
series so he can listen to it. Yeah, and then
have a son and yeah, he tweeted, he like dm me,
Hi Burn, thanks for the tweet. I haven't heard your series.
It looks interesting. I'd have to find time to listen
to it first, I'd be it's very interested in you
coming on yourself to discuss your personal experiences regarding conspiracy

(06:57):
rabbit holes. If you like, you could promote the podcast
during our conversation, let me know if it interests you
and I, to be fair, I didn't even reply back
because that's the way I said. I said, straight from
the get go, I want to come on as some
decolic conspiracy and I won't discuss Manchester. You know, at
that time, I was saying, I'm not going on any

(07:18):
conspiracy shows to talk about my past. My past isn't
up for debate. No, I don't do that.

Speaker 3 (07:24):
I don't quite see how that would be useful on
the Ritchie Allen Show anyway, to be quit honest, because
basically he'd be going like, well, I don't understand that,
and you'd be going, well, you know, I used to
be like you, but my opinion has changed, and that
would be the way the conversation ended.

Speaker 4 (07:39):
So pretty much, you know, like I feel like he
was just wanted me, wanted to come on so that
he could try and own me. So they all just
want to do that. Let's just own the ex conspiracy.

Speaker 3 (07:50):
This is what I thought as well. So anyway, so
basically that's why we've never been back on the Richie
Allen Show anyway. So Gabriel shan Rani he responded he
had evidently seen this interview been told about it, and
he responded to Richie on Twitter and he said, Ritchie
Kates lies. Thus far Oriana, who I'm presuming is his

(08:14):
other sister, was removed from Kay's care aged sixteen by
social services, her school, the jud school tom Bridge was
well aware of this contact them two. Sebastian never abused
any siblings because in the show case said that Sebastian
was basically a crazy man that had attacked his brother

(08:36):
and sisters and they had to call the police. And
then he says, which is interesting, we have proof that
Kay wrote Coloma's statement, and this might be a statement
that was sent to the court, or it might be
a statement regarding the accusation that and her boyfriend sexually

(08:56):
assaulted her, which again we're going to come onto both
of those things. He did well. Actually, we won't really
discussed the court case because the court case was simply
that the brothers were trying to get custody of or
some sort of authoritative oversight because for some reason Kay
had named herself giving us a power of attorney, or

(09:20):
Paloma had allowed her to have power of attorney, which
I don't quite understand why they may. Again, there may
well be a very reasonable explanation for that, but that
does somewhat go against the idea that Paloma was making
her own decisions. If you've got the power of attorney,
I don't know how that would work, but it did
strike me as I'm not entirely sure why you would
need that from your adult daughter. Maybe there was some reason.

(09:42):
I don't know anyway. So on response to are you
going to go on the Ritchie Allen Show? As your
right to reply, and Sebastian tremony says he seems like
a useless small timer will stick to legitimate media. It's
very telling that Kay interviewed with him but turned down
being interviewed by the b to defend herself in the
podcast and panorama. Kay knows that unbiased media will show

(10:05):
her true colors, so she only interviews with fringe fellow travelers.
He then turns his attention to Jackie Devoy again. Sebastian
tweeted to Jackie, Hi, Jackie, thanks for noting that you
support Kay, her murder of Paloma and the story that
she has spun blaming the NHS. Are you willing to
talk on the record about your support for Kay? What

(10:26):
do you think about Kay beating Paloma until the week
that she died and banning Poloma from seeing doctors and
her friends and family. You can't make this right by you, Sorry,
You can make this right by helping us share the
truth about Kay Shremarani. We're publishing all the evidence for
you to see, or you can be another domino that falls.

(10:47):
So the brothers are not happy. So what happens is
that Kay goes a bit on the defensive, as you
would expect, and she releases quite a long statement on Twitter,
and it's a legal statement in response to defamatory reporting

(11:07):
issued by missus Kay Allison Schremirani and doctor Farima Chemerani,
parents of the late Poloma Scarlet Shremeranni two thousand to
twenty twenty four. We are the mother and the father
of Ploma Scarlet Schremerani, a twenty three year old Cambridge graduate,
rodian scholar, linguist, artist and daughter of integrity an extraordinary courage.

(11:32):
Our daughter died following a chain of gross medical failings,
breaches of consent law, falsified medical records and reckless emergency
drug use that violated every protocol for her age, weight
and clinical presentation. We now address a serious matter. We're
in possession of all of her medical and legal documents.
A sworn and signed High Court statement by Poloma dated

(11:55):
twenty eighth of April twenty twenty four, declaring in her
own words that she did not have a confirmed lymphomatic diagnosis,
was drugged without her consent with rasbure case, which is
the high dose steroids, was harassed and gas lit by
parties seeking to force chemotherapy on her. Rejected Mainstoin Hospital's
treatment as unlawful and traumatic, all histopathology, all his pathology

(12:21):
reports which confirmed no definiteth which confirmed no definitive diagnosis
of non Hodgkin lymphoma, all blood results consistently showing no
malignancy pattern but instead inflammatory or ineffective markers ignored by clinicians.
Full clinical notes, nursing entry's drug charts and email evidence

(12:42):
showing unlawful treatment and coercion. A full copy of the
post mortem report which was severely flawed and lacked toxicology,
brain examination, or basic forensic integrity. Oh so apparently the
coroners are in it as well now. Paramedic records and
epcrs showing no cardiac or on arrival, but a massive
overdose of adrenaline twelve times her height weight appropriate dose,

(13:06):
an additional paralyzing vasoconstructive drugs that likely destroyed brain perfusion,
and what brain perfusion is liquid getting to the brain. Basically,
BBC Panorama and any other media out there, if journalist
or broadcaster has misrepresented our daughter's medical conditions, suggested we
influenced or endangered her life, published defamatory fossils, selectively edited content,

(13:30):
are that cyronic denied our daughter's full capacity, consent and
legal declarations, omitted her sworn legal statement, histology or post
mortem evidence, then you are knowingly or recklessly publishing falsehoods.
This is not journalism. This is state sponsored propaganda designed
to silence the truth of what happened to our daughter
and reframe a preventable death as parental misconduct, despite overwhelming legal, medical,

(13:55):
and forensic documentation to the contrary. We put you on notice.
We are preparing for formal complaints and legal action against
any outlet or broadcaster, including BBC Panorama, who has disseminated
false and harmful narratives. The doctors in NHS trusts involved
in Paloma's treatment. If you violated the Montgomery ruling, the
Human Rights Act, and the Nuremberg co the the coroner

(14:17):
and associated legal professionals who attempted to conceal the real
cause of death by suppressing key evidence any regulators, lawyers
or reporters complicit in the coordinated attempt to reframe medical
negligence and homicide as a family dispute in I'm sorry
if I'm reading this poorly, but there's just random capital
letters that the punctuation is all over the fucking place.

(14:39):
Like to be fair, you know she has gone through
quite a lot, so she's cross.

Speaker 4 (14:44):
In.

Speaker 3 (14:44):
Poloma's honor ploma was never coerced, she was never radicalized.
She was a woman of conviction and clarity. Her voice
has been preserved, signed, sealed and submitted in her own hand. Okay,
I don't miss to be picky, but her voice cannot
be signed, sealed and submitted in her own hand, but
anyway and will now be shared with the world. We
will not allow our daughter's memory to be defamed, nor

(15:05):
her death to be sanitized. This statement and all supporting
evidence will be sent to the BBC Editorial Complaints Unit.
If so, off come the GMC, the Chief Coroner of
the Home Secretary the General Public. Truth is no longer optional.
You will all be held accountable. Miss kay Allison Schremaranni,
Dr Farremu Stremarani, PHDMSC, BSc honors. Please read former post
with Paloma's High Court sworn statement and this is the

(15:29):
sworn High Court statement. This is She also posted this.
This is the sworn High Court statement of our beloved daughter,
Paloma Scarlett Schremeranni, submitted on the twenty eighth of April
twenty twenty four and sent to both her parents and
her legal supporter. It was written in her own words
with full capacity, courage and clarity. She was a Cambridge graduate,
rody and scholar, a former beauty queen, linguist and dress designer.

(15:52):
She was confident, loving and principle and would be utterly
portrayed by those who continue to lie about her after
her death. She names doctors who drugged it without and
sent she was clear, I do not want to be
made infertile. I will not set foot in Maidstone Hospital again.
Her voice will not be silenced to the public who
deserves the truth. And she posts this, which is a

(16:16):
statement signed by Paloma. Growing up, natural healing and clean
living was always our family's first port of call For
as long as I can remember. Healthy living was always
the case, though it intensified and became more important after
my mum had cancer in twenty twelve, to watch my
own mum overcome an incredibly deadly form of cancer with

(16:38):
an all natural protocol was to learn that conventional medicine
certainly wasn't the only way out. In twenty fifteen sixteen,
at age fifteen, I spent three weeks in Dr Patrick
Vicker's Gerson Therapy clinic in Mexico. I loved how the
kitchen staff had taken such a restricted diet and made
it delicious. I also got to speak to patients about

(16:58):
their cancers and other illnesses and how they were finding
the therapy. Their stories of improvement and praise for the
protocol were very inspiring and only consolidating in my mind
that if I ever got cancer or seriously ill, I
would do this therapy and other natural protocols such as
hyperbaric oxygen therapy and burma mats. Since I became independent
after I moved to Cambridge for university, I've practiced the

(17:21):
same principles that I grew up with. I've been extremely
health conscious, sticking to all organic produce. I've prepare all
my own meals, and I absolutely do not drink or
cook with tatwater. I've never taken drugs despite pressure ting
and rarely drink alcohol. Every time I got ill, I
turned to my mum first for advice. Practically fanatical about health,

(17:41):
my close friends know me as a staunch advocate for
the Gerson therapy and natural healing. Indeed, Andre and I
had several discussions where I made my preference for natural
healing over chemotherapy and radio therapy very clear. I note
that much of plaintiff's argument is centered on my mum
being a notorious anti vaxxer, and which somehow proves that

(18:01):
she is an extremely forceful advocate of natural health. I
term anti vax as is my sister, as is my dad.
This only serves to enforce that I am a dedicated
advocate of natural medicine to two given my upbringing and
have long held the view that conventional medicine is not
to be trusted. Indeed, both my sister and I even

(18:21):
refused our HPV vaccine when it became available to us
due to our skepticism towards conventional medicine. I was held
in Mason Hospital between the twenty second of December and
the twenty fourth of December twenty twenty three, and at
no point did my hospital say, did I say to
anyone I want to do chemotherapy, nor did I either
ever imply it In a conversation via telephone that night

(18:44):
I got admitted. My mum urged me to consider all
the information presented to me, ask lots of questions, particularly
about survival rates in the coming years. Only you will
know what the right path is. Only you will Only
you will feel a calm come over you when you
make it. That was apparently in question in speech marks.
So the next day after the MDM, the doctors came

(19:05):
round and officially told me, note the ambiguity in their wording,
they had found cells of B cell non Hodgkin slimphoma
in a mass on my chest. That doesn't sound particularly ambiguous,
but okay. I particularly sat through and listened to their
proposed treatment by our chop chemotherapy. When I asked what
the survival rates were at one, three, five, seven, and

(19:25):
ten years, I was told that there was no data.
Despite the oncologist assuring me that it was curative and
as mum Lisa was in the room at the time
and helpfully told me that this was a novel treatment.
Given the lack of data, the doctors did not disagree.
I instantly felt skeptical about this experimental treatment, though I
still tried to remain open so accepted the information. Pat

(19:47):
I began to feel like I wasn't being told the
complete truth from the doctors about the treatment plan, and
it started to make me scared. I called my mum
to discuss these concerns and told her that I was
a little bit afraid of Dr Mohan HMM. I carefully
read through all the information, which she included pages and
pages of frightening side effects and information about egg harvesting,
since our chop would likely leave me fertile. At this point,

(20:10):
I decided to call doctor Patrick Vickers. Throughout my state
at the hospital. We would have a long phone conversation
and we discussed all other options, all my options regarding
choosing the natural route. We discussed my fears I caused
to Patrick were instrumental in my decision to opt for
the alternative treatment route. By comparison, my mum's visits were
often simply to bring me my favorite soups and brand

(20:31):
new pajamas and to make sure I was being nursed properly.
For example, she reminded staff that patients like me who
were suffering from superior vena cava syndrome had to be
nursed upright, not flat hmm. She also spoke to the
doctors and nurses about ascertaining my blood results in my histology,
though the doctors refused both her and myself this information,

(20:51):
a refusal which is indeed illegal. I found my mum's
presence in the hospital with me to be very helpful
and comforting. At first, I was nervous and anxious about
her coming, since we had had a falling out and
I hadn't spoken to her or seen her for several
months since I had found a flat and moved out.
But that resentment I felt melted when she entered the room,
I could finally drop the brave face and express all

(21:13):
my fears and feelings to it. It was clear that
the nurses and doctors did not like her. Her approach
is very authoritative, though she wasn't rude to any of
the staff, a tone and knowledge of the law and
medicine clearly unsettled the nurses and doctors. I was just
charged on Christmas even too my mum's care at our
home in Uckfield. In the coming weeks, I went about

(21:35):
getting everything in order discharging myself from Dr Mohan and
selling my car and finding a replacement tenant for my
flat share. The plaintiffs accused my mum of having forced
me to sell my car and give up the flat,
which is simply not true. The car is twenty two
years old and has seven major oil leagues. Hang on, then,
why did you sell it? Why don't you just that

(21:57):
doesn't make sense to me. Never mind, I'm editorializing when
I shouldn't be. I had been in contact with my
mechanic to discuss it selling it to him for scraps
al there for at least November. Since from at least
November twenty twenty three, as for the flat, I received
four hundred pounds a month a statutory sick pain. I
can't afford to pay the rent, which is five hundred
and sixty per month without bills, so it's just not

(22:19):
an option, and I happily accept that I want to
live with my month for the foreseeable future as I
get back on my feet. Anyway, Gabriel's poor mental health
has always been of concern to me. He has spoken
to several mental health professionals and it is or has
been on antidepressants he struggles with the greaphobia and his
seemingly very codependent relationship, which has served to worsen these issues.

(22:40):
His self care is poor and he's reflected, and this
is reflected by his unhealthy color, unkempt appearance, and nervous ticks. Finally,
he's very unstable, struggling with rage issues that are very
scary to watch and can leave you fearing for your safety.
It is for these reasons that I chose not to
tell him immediately about my decision not to do CHEMA.

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I was afraid what unstable reaction he would have flicked
on me. Approximately one thirty am on Christmas Eve, I
was violently shook awake by my brother whilst my ex
boyfriend and a watch. They had assaulted my mother, pushing
past her to get to me. Having been in a
deep sleep, the first sleep since leaving the hospital, I
was confused and heavily panicked. I started to cry and

(23:21):
throw up from the shop. My mum was desperately trying
to pull Gabriel off me because of my having had
the drug fragment in the hospital and this could have
caused the mass in my chest to burst important blood vessels.
Violently shaking me like that Gabriel could have killed me.
Once my mum had gotten to the two men back downstairs,
I heard Gabriel and A verbally abusing my mum and

(23:43):
my mum's friend who was there for support before I
fell asleep. I heard I heard the Gabriel and and
A calling the two women halls and prostages. Again, sorry,
I'm stumbling over this, but some of the punctuation is
just as poor as in the previous thing that was
written by Kay. Anyway, I heard the Gabriel and Anda
calling the two women hawes and prostitutes with such clear

(24:05):
and unstable behavior at this attempt. He is in no
position to objectively interfere with my bodily autonomy and health choices.
I was apphored with him with how Gabriel has behaved
since I informed him I was not doing chemotherapy. The
abuse of text messages that he has continued sent to
both my parents and my sister are deeply upsetting and coercive.

(24:26):
His long text message to me telling me that I
was going to die if I did not do chemotherapy
I found to be both very distressing and incredibly manipulative.
Sebastian's fain concern for me is laughable. He has made
little to no effort or even text me since I
got sick, ignoring my messages and going the entire months
of both February and March without anything. He only got
back in touch at the end of March when both

(24:47):
my mum and sister texted him to say I missed him.
I found his latant lack of concern for me extremely hurtful.
I attempted several times to fix a date with Sebastian
for him to come around for dinner, but his replies
were very elusive and it was clear that seeing he
was not his full priority. He asked for my mum
to not be there, but she is my full time
care and I didn't want to be alone with him either.

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The plans fizzled out and he did could not come round.
Sebastian cannot possibly comment on my health and well being
in the months since I became ill because of this
complete lack of contact. All the inaccurate information about me
in this statement is here so from people who have
had no contact with me in months. Sebastian and I
do not have a close relationship and go years without
seeing or talking to each other. This is because when

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I see him, thought you just said that you missed him. Anyway,
he became verbally extremely abusive and makes me very upset.
This was the case last time I saw him, when
I drove him from my mum's house into London. He
was so unkind to me on the way to a
restaurant in London with my sister and his friend President.
I was in tears when we arrived. I dropped him
off at the restaurant and drove home because I was
too upset. His anger issues are so intense that the

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housemaster at Eton made him attend anger management classes or
with therapy, with so little attempts to be in touch
with his seriously ill sisters. As his motivation for this
involvement in the case that do not include me, he
sees an opportunity to attack our mum. He seems to
crave her attention whilst also desperately wanting to destroy her life.
He purports to hater, but spent two hours in her

(26:13):
house and hugged her upon leaving. With my situation, he
sees an opportunity to attack our mum. The entire nation
is aware of his interview for the BBC, which he
would have received a substantial sum form. That's not true.
Jobless at twenty five. Perhaps he is trying to generate
more media buzz again for a second interview and for
more cash. You don't get paid. We can both attest

(26:34):
to that. He is simply trying to ruin my mum's
reputation and have her jailed so he can take ownership
of her house, something he is attempted to do for years.
He is not to be trusted. Anda Harris's statement is
so full of mysteries, events taken out of context, and
playing libelous claims it would take too much time and
pages to refute. More platiffs argue that my mum coerked
me into breaking up with Andre. This is completely untrue.

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I broke up with Andre because, on two separate occasions
in January, he sexually assaulted me. I finally tild my
sister about what happened in mid February, and her upset
response confirmed that my feelings were valid. I'd been taking
I had been taken advantage of. At first, I was
really embarrassed and wanted the whole thing to go away,
so I didn't report it, but after receiving a bag
with a black lacy with my black lacy underwear and

(27:19):
an old toothbrush on the twenty fifth of the fourth
twenty fourth, I had to report it to the police.
Given the taunting nature of the message. The bag certainly
came from anders house, as it was in Swedish with
Lisa's handwriting on it. I fear I'm being stalked or
harassed by either Anda or his mom. I had also
been unhappy in my relationship before we broke up. He
is an habitual drug user, which I found deeply upsetting,

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and he'd been increasingly pressuring me to do them with him.
I declined every time. I was also aware that he
had introduced my sister to drugs when she was just
fifteen and had keep this and had her keep his
drugs in our house for him. These drugs were found
by my mom and reported to the police. All these
things were beginning to weigh on my conscious and made
me really set. When I first met Anda, he attempted

(28:03):
to get me to say bad things about my mom.
I found this incredibly insulting and always clear that and
had disliked my mum, which made it difficult for me,
me who was caught in the middle. Since dating Ander,
my relationship with my mum declined considerably in twenty twenty.
We had a very good relationship. I called her regularly
during my first and second term sort of university, and
I believe that Andre and his mum helped to break

(28:24):
the relationship down. I'm completely disgusted at Lisa's behaviors since
I fell ill. From the minute she learned of my
decision to reject chemo, Lisa sat at the foot of
my hospital bed. This is Ander's mother, crying and refusing
to talk to me all day. I felt that she
was emotionally blackmailing me to choose chemotherapy. She also kept
leaving the room to speak to the doctors, supposedly to

(28:45):
ask more questions about chemotherapy. I was upset and annoyed
that she was interfering, but her presence in the room
was worse, so I did not object. It later turned
out that she had been speaking to the doctors to
try and persuade them to have me forced into staying.
She made completely false claims that my mother had been
so abusive that the police had to remove me. The
doctors did not check with me if this statement was true,

(29:06):
and this got published on all of my doctor's notes.
At no time did I give a permission for Lisa
to speak with my doctors about my private health and
medical information. And I'm frankly furious that she attempted to
have my capacity removed so my decision not to do
chemotherapy would be overridden. This emotional blackmail continued in the
car on the way home. She did not speak to
me at all, and when I humbly asked if we

(29:26):
could open a few Christmas presents back at the house,
she said no. I was incredibly upset with Lisa's behavior.
It was coercive and caused me deep distress, so I
texted her at first, but eventually stopped wanting to talk
to her because I was too angry with be behavior.
I knew that she couldn't be trusted. Despite my lack
of response, since the twenty third of the second twenty
four Lisa has proceeded to send me extremely long messages consistently,

(29:48):
even after her son and I broke up. The seer
lented this slew of messages is disturbing and its harassment,
so on the sixteenth of the four twenty four, I
blocked her and want no relationship with Lisa or her son.
Lisa has a long psychiatric history which had affected her
relationship with her sons, who did not live with her
for many years because of it. I feel that Lisa

(30:08):
has a codependent attachment to me. I had always made
an effort to be pleasant to Lisa's I pitied her
for the way her sons rejected her. Apart from living
with her, they often didn't spend any time around her.
They even made separate meals. In early November twenty twenty,
and accorded me and told me Lisa had obsessively stalk
me online before she had met me, watching all the

(30:29):
interviews Sebastian gave, reading up my mum's anti vaxx work
and so on. I was very upset and felt violated.
Andrew informed me that she often does this, even finding
Google street views of Ander's friend's homes, and I believe
that it's a major source of tension between the two
of them. I believe she was trying to take me
away from my mum and become my new mother figure.

(30:49):
There's a statement that she had thought that I had
accepted chemo and was going back to live with her
as ridiculous. At no point had I ever said that
I wanted to do that or implied I would. Even
if I were to choose that treat in a very
distant reality, I would absolutely not go to her house.
There's mold, she hoards, she has very bad health habits,
and as stated, has had a long psychiatric history. I

(31:10):
would always want to live with my mother, as she
has forty years of medical experience behind her and would
take incredible care of me as she's doing currently. I've
suffered no abuse with my mum. We have had a
wonderful childhood filled with trips to National Trust venues, swimming,
heart guitar ballet lessons, and board games. The text messages
and Gable statements from summer twenty twenty three paint a biased,

(31:32):
untrue version of events. I'm ashamed to admit how viol
I was being to my mum at the time. I
was stressed by my lack of degree and inability to
secure a graduate job. I was extremely irritable and took
it out on my mum in the form of name
calling and inciting arguments. I'm ashamed to admit that I
lied to Gabriel, Ander and Lisa emitting the terrible things

(31:53):
that I'd said and done so I look more like
a victim. I wanted sympathy from them so I wouldn't
feel like the self loathing from my own bad behavior.
Like everyone I've argued with my mum over the years, Yes,
but I have lived with my mom throughout the studies.
Sometimes I have stayed up at the college when I
wanted a break from my mum, and it was convenience

(32:13):
since lots of my friends stayed over. I'd also like
to point out that in my conversations with Lisa, she
did not once try to work through a solution with
me that would reconcile my mum and I's relationship. Despite
the fact that Ander had a very strained relationship with
her from age fourteen to eighteen and he dislikes seeing
you going around to see her geesus. Lisa was more

(32:35):
than happy to see my relationship with my mum deteriorate completely,
which only strengthens my view that she had a codependent
attachment to me. My relationship with my mum may become complicated.
She has always been there when I needed her, despite
how I had treated her that is why I called
a straight away when I got called home from Sweden.
I feel a lot of regret towards how I have
made her look to others because of my own guilt.

(32:57):
I am on excellent terms with my mom. We are
the best we have been since I met. We're the
best I have been since I met Ander, and I
am enjoying exploring our new adult to adult relationship. We've
discussed what happened in summer. We have now made amends.
I do not have a non Hodgkins lymphoma diagnosis. It
is a differential diagnosis in which cancer could not be

(33:18):
ruled out. I have not had any of the classic
symptoms of lymphoma, no lymph nodes, no night sweats, no fatigue.
My blood results over the last few months do not
indicate lymphoma, and on the histology it states I was
lacking in the main marker for the for lymphoma. Why
with all this doubt would I only go a treatment
plan so harsh if I might not survive and I
would be rendered infertile if I did. I'm twenty three.

(33:40):
I don't want to be made infertile. I absolutely will
not set foot in Maidson Hospital again, I was given
drugs without my consent. Indeed, a low dose of steroids
turned out to be eighty to ninety milligrams. An ivy
bag I've been told was the saline flush turned out
to be a newly licensed, very dangerous drug named drass
Bury case. The side effects of these drugs started the
minute I left the hospital, and they made me very

(34:02):
sick for the entire month of January, with no risk
and ever given to me, despite me asking nurses and
doctors for it. Dr Mohan and her team have given
me drugs with no consent. I have fallen victim to
the medical battery. Of course, I do not trust these
doctors with my life. The other reason for rejecting conventional treatment,
including my background in natural healing of mind dislike of
the odds I have been given. I had a one

(34:23):
in five chance of dying during our chop. I will
not risk those odds for a diagnosis. I do not
have the current situation. I'm delighted with my chosen treatment path.
All of my original symptoms that took me to the
hospital swollen face, excruciating chest pains, intense headaches from pressure
on my cartroid's inability to move. My ra time have
completely gone put a pinion that that will be important later.

(34:46):
My energy levels increased day to day, so I've seen
lots of my friends and my sister visit regularly. I
even threw a birthday party in Brighton which was attended
by my sister and my two best friends, my mom
and her friend. To suggest I'm being isolated is ridiculous
because I have lots of people visiting. I choose not
to see my twin brother because if I stated in text,

(35:06):
he will do anything to get me to start chemo
and I am afraid of him. My boyfriend took advantage
of me when I was the most vulnerable, and I
am unsafe in his presence. Lisa's coercive behavior in the
hospital and stalkerlike behavior since means I want no relationship
with her ever again. The situation has been monitored by
monthly blood tests booked with my GP. After each set,
I have an appointment with Dr Hutchins to discuss the

(35:27):
results and to check over my general health, checking energy levels, appetite, mood, etc.
My blood shirt tests so that all my levels are
returning to normal. There has been a lot of talk
about undergoing a CT scan. In December twenty twenty three alone,
I had two X rays and a CT scan on
my chest. Concerned about that amount of radiation, I spoke
with a senior radiographer of twenty years of experience, Simon

(35:48):
Platt Simone Plat. She informed me that to have another
scan just six weeks later would involve a considerable amount
of radiation which would carry hyatrogenic risks later in life.
Then made the decision not to have a scan so
early on in my treatment. I intend to have a
CT scan, but I will wait until my entire team
aggrieves that this is the best cause of action. The

(36:09):
fact that my own brother has bought a court case
against me whilst I'm focusing all my energy on recovering
from a life threatening illness is shameful. The stress of
the stream of emails from his lawyer, the energy that
I've wasted writing statements while spending all my savings just
so I had some form of legal representation, has caused
me an insurmountable amount of harm and suffering. I cannot
sleep from stress, and the anxiety is take away. My

(36:31):
appetite are a good night's sleep and eating well. Not
the pillars of recovery from any illness. It's well known
that King Charles is an avid support of natural healing. Indeed,
his decision to offer natural medicines and treatment for his
own cancer diagnosis barely generated any discord in the public opinion,
well apart from people saying that he was odd but fine.
I have a clear, even proven capacity and made a

(36:52):
decision about my health. It corresponds with my upbringing in lifestyle.
Because the decision was met with the most horrific resistance
and accusations. I find the plaintiff's behavior, particularly gabriels and leases,
to be incredibly coercive. They're fighting hard for me to
be forced into receiving the treatment that they want me
to have. The side effects and the importations of these
drugs are extreme, and it is mind body that will

(37:12):
endure them, not theirs. It is much easier to be
involved when the high stakes are played out far from
your body or your safety, Signed Paloma Tremrani. Now, the
first thing that strikes me about that is that's an
incredibly spiteful statement. Every single person that she mentions in
it has got some sort of problem, has done something horrific,

(37:35):
and has got some sort of mental problem. And then
they've bring up things like that she's got bad hygiene
and stuff like that. Why is any of that necessary
for a for a court document. Who's the only person
that comes out of that statement good? The only person?

Speaker 4 (37:52):
Okay?

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Even Paloma says that she is a ship because of
how badly she treated k. Thing that I will say, Okay,
is that she must have spoken to Kay to get
some of that knowledge. Knowledge about the house, knowledge about
how Kay felt, knowledge about why Kay was upset that
she was shaking her because of this obscure thing where
the blood vessels could break in the mass in her chest.

(38:15):
By the way, I thought she didn't have a mass
in her chest. I don't know that apparently, is Paloma's
statement to the court. It strikes me as strange, but
you know it struck Gabriel as strange because when Kay
tweeted this out, Gabriel wrote, Kay wants you to believe
that these are actually Ploma's words, that the messages Ploma

(38:36):
sent which proved Ky mercilessly hit her repeatedly, is nothing
more other than Paloma being vile, and that Paloma actually
incited the abuse you discussed me, Ky, Yeah, I mean
the other thing that was strange is that basically I've
seen an interview since said that that Poloma was groomed

(38:57):
and taken away from the hospital by Ander's mum. But
that above statement seems to say that that's not true.
That she went to the house in Uckfield with CASEHAMRONI
that she fell out with Lisa straight away, to the
point where Lisa wouldn't even let her open a Christmas present.
I don't know. That doesn't sit quite right with me,

(39:18):
that statement. It doesn't strike me. Is there seems to
be a lot of character assassination And why I mentioned
Prince Charles in there? Do you know what I mean?
I don't know anyway. Sebastian also responded, Hi, K your
real name, it's me your son, the son you beat,
isolated and abused for seventeen years. What do you think

(39:41):
about Coloma signing legal documents a few days before she
died while she was unconscious in our life support hospital.
Will you tell your audience that you forged the legal
documents of a dying woman to cover your ass? How
can you blame medical malpractice for Ploma's death when you
wouldn't let her see a doctor, You wouldn't say, let

(40:01):
us see a doctor after her diagnosis until her heart
attack when it was already too late. Do you ever
take personal responsibility for the people you kill or do
you instantly move on to hunting your next victim like
you do with your lover boy Patrick Vickers at the
Cantors scam clinic you run for profit in Mexico. Why
did you wait forty five minutes after Poloma collapsed from

(40:21):
a heart attack before calling the ambulance? Is that really
what you learned training as a nurse or were you
scared to take ploma to the hospital and have your
crime discovered your Eliza collapsing. Besides the fact that no
solid lawyer will represent a murder for profit freak like
you and your husband's history of domestic violence to thought
for terrorism and financial ruin, the logic just isn't there.

(40:45):
For Fock's sake, your son Gabriel criticized you, and your
response on a podcast yesterday was that he's working for
MI six. You're a complete lunatic and you might try
to trick your audience with medical jargon. They don't understand
to make yourself seem smart, but they don't need medical
knowledge to see these holes in your story. They're going
to see your true character. You've left a trail of

(41:06):
mistakes just like any other serial killer. Time is running
out for you. I'd log off and flee the country,
but you're a narcissist, so you'll stay and keep running
your mouth good. You're a sitting duck. Keep quack quacking.
So wow. Sebastian also then tweeted out, ka, Kate Schremerani,

(41:28):
you wrote this statement and fraudulently passed it off as
Poloma's words. Not only was ploma living with you and
under your control when she allegedly wrote this, I grew
up with you brainwashing me, and I recognize your language
in this statement. Paloma didn't talk like this. Key points
such as where Poloma says she was never abused by you,

(41:48):
are clearly written by you. We have her text messages
where she discusses you beating her while she is suffering
from cancer. Your other daughter was taken into foster care
at sixteen, and you're sons both report you beating and
abusing them. You're a monster, So yeah, it's it's heated, certainly.

(42:12):
But then then Gabriel posted something else on Twitter, which
again raises question, and he thought, this is proof of
falsification of statement. Please repost this everywhere. No one in
personates my sister, least of all k Also, now k
can fret about which one of her lackeys has been
leaking like a colander to us. So now this is

(42:36):
a partial text message. We can only see two things.
But what it says is one from Dr Patrick Vickers,
who is the man that we recommended the gurse of therapy.
And this is suddenly the twelfth of May twenty twenty four, awesome,
what's happening with the courts? And Paloma responds to be honest,

(42:58):
I'm being kept all out of all of that, and
I'm and then it cuts off, but the important bit
is to be honest, I'm being kept out of all
of that, which you know suggests that potentially she's not
that involved with the court case. So who knows. That
could be interpreted in different ways, but it doesn't look

(43:20):
particularly good now. On during the twenty seventh Kate decides
that she's going to go on the Unity News Network.
Is that what it's called unn that dreadful right wing
shite anyway?

Speaker 4 (43:35):
Right?

Speaker 3 (43:37):
This was a bit controversial because previously Kate has been
on or she wasn't on because do you know that
the Unity News Network audience didn't used to like.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
Her, couldn't they?

Speaker 1 (43:48):
No?

Speaker 3 (43:49):
No, no, Like, well it's to do with that. Can
you remember right in the middle of the last episode
to mention that her and pairs Corbyn and Fienna Rose
Diamond were taken to court. Yes, she was supposed to
be on UNN in twenty twenty three, but they actually
had to cancel her appearance. She was all set to

(44:09):
go on and the lad that looks a bit like
Penfold came on and said, I'm sorry, we're gonna have
to We're gonna have to cancel this due to the
backlash and said there was all these comments that were
put around hit and miss with her. This is all
about Kate Tremerani hit and miss with her. To be honest,
she throws in some dodgy names in the movement. Yeah,

(44:31):
ask her where that seventy k of donations went for
a court case that didn't happen. You're joking, aren't you.
She's a full on liar. Makes out that she knows
all about pharmaceuticals and the herbalists. This woman is a
midwife and has been caught lying loads. She's full of crap.
I will debate her live about herbalism all day long.
A woman that's had as much plastic surgery and fillers

(44:52):
but promotes natural remedies. Someone simply said, schill. Someone said
some people wouldn't know a cheap grift if they hijack
the stage at a protest, took your money for nothing,
and then name dropped Charlie Ward like that was a
good idea. Wake up people. They live among us too
many talking heads repeating the same information. I trust no one.

(45:14):
The fact that she was talking to those pair of kunts,
Charlie Fraud and Sasha Stone is all very questionable. Please
ask her where that seventy k went. She is controlled opposition.
Looks like Kate is the Bovril of the movement. And
then someone responded, Bovril is nice. She's about as welcome

(45:35):
as a bout of diarrhea with only white kegs for
the beach.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Nah.

Speaker 3 (45:40):
Not a fan of her at all, said someone. No,
she is too sensationalist for me. Natural nurse question mark
looks like a lot of not natural procedurals in her face.
The toxic purse is in a newtered world. Someone responded,
kaos is a grifter, same as America no good. Two
years ago, I donated twenty five dollars to the cause,

(46:03):
and for what shameless, soulless root of all evil money.
What happened to the tens of thousands of pounds that
she raised? And this is what happened. Right when she
got arrested, she had a crowd fund thing going on
a fundraiser in which she wrote, I am Kate schremerani

(46:25):
natural nurse in a toxic world. I've been a nurse
for thirty six years. I'm a mom of four, self
employed and a Christian. My love for my fellow man
and children all over the world drives me to stand
up to tyranny and fight for our freedom, which is
now under attack. I am being prosecuted for organizing and
participating in three anti lockdown rallies in London. All of
these were organized by other people, and I was just

(46:47):
asked mc it two of them and gave a short
speech and said the Lord's prayer. Another one fuck off. Like,
you know, if you're going to approve, like pretend to
be an activist, you have to take this. You don't
wheezle out. I wasn't meanly organized, that's anyway. The charges
are unlawful and unjust. I'm now being persecuted and even
prosecuted and placed at physical risk. Why because I dare

(47:08):
to use my professional background to speak out against all
of the manipulation and lies that are being used to
destroy society and our physical, mental, psychological, and spiritual well being.
In twenty twenty one, I am going on criminal trial
and court in London, charged with organizing an illegal gathering.
I was already ordered by the police and government to
pay twenty zousand pounds in fine. I refuse to comply

(47:30):
with this order, so now I'm being prosecuted. If I'm convicted,
I will be sentenced for holding a gathering. This is
cruel tyrannical and totally unconstitutional. Joined with me to defeat
the total outrage, we must fight for justice, truth and
defend liberty. I must raisy enough to cover all of
my legal and associated costs, and I don't have the
money to fight the case myself. However, I am ready

(47:51):
and willing to stand up and fight for freedom, truth
and liberty for every single man, woman and child in
the UK and everywhere around the world. The amount that
is needed is estimated at about seventy thousand pounds, and
she did. She managed to raise just under seventy thousand
pounds right. The problem is she then complained that she

(48:12):
didn't get any access to it and the lawyer ran
off with it. Now whether he did actually run off
with it, I've got no idea, but a lot of
people have complained, and including somebody that said, where's my
twenty pounds back that I donated to your legal fees.
I'm on benefits and it's a lot of money to
people like me. You didn't even turn up that you

(48:34):
were having a lovely life on seventy k on other
people's money. And there was a pattern where she was
blocking people that were criticizing her and deleting comments on
her videos and stuff, including that one that was a
video from Mohammad Shafi large up to him and mister
bozo head and also the sarcastic Brain. They were following
her a lot during COVID. That's where I got quite

(48:55):
a lot of this information. So you know what happened
with the court case that she raised pounds for.

Speaker 4 (49:02):
Get dropped?

Speaker 3 (49:03):
No, not entirely. Cheyenne Siler said, I could never pronounce
his fight his last name Cheyenne, Brilliant journalist wrote leading
anti vaccine activists Fiona Rose Diamond, Ako, Fiona Hein and
Kate Schamerani were found guilty of organizing rallies in breach
of the Code restrictions at Westminster Magistrate's Court today. Miss
Rose Diamond was fined eight hundred and twenty five pounds

(49:25):
and Miss schrem Rani one eight hundred and seventy five
pounds in absence, So not the twenty thousand pounds that
she said that she was fined, and not the seventy thousand,
and there was no need for the seventy thousand pounds
that they raised. And as you can so, people were
very pissed off with her, and so for a long
time people thought that she was not to be trusted.

(49:46):
Still a lot of people hold that attitude within the
conspiracy world anyway. So United Moves Network interviews Kate and
she says in twenty twenty three that the paloma got ill,
complaining of chest and shoulder pain and she had a biopsy,
and she says that originally her brother was listed as
next of kin, but that changed when Ks arrived in

(50:07):
hospital and she says that this was because they'd had
a falling out, and we know that they'd been estrange
for months. Kay says, but which family hasn't had this
type of a falling out where you don't speak to
your mom for months? Well, not mine, but fine whatever.
Ka said that she had teams in Italy, Mexico, and
Iran that could all give different treatments. And she says,

(50:30):
that's what you do when you buy a house, You
get loads of opinions, So why wouldn't you do the same.
And Ka said that Paloma received a differential diagnosis, which
implies that nothing was confirmed. However, right, a differential diagnosis
is a process of elimination, looking at possible conditions and
ruling things out that it can't be. Now according to

(50:52):
the differential diagnosis, to bits that I've seen, it looks
like all indications where it was non Hodgkins lymphoma. But
they were going to continue test thing just to see
like because they couldn't rule out other stuff. It doesn't
mean that she didn't have that. They did a biopsy
and the biopsy showed.

Speaker 4 (51:08):
Apparently that she had it.

Speaker 3 (51:10):
Anyway, what also could make the argument here, Well, they
couldn't do any further testing because somebody took her out
of hospital. So anyway, Also, why did none of those
other places off for a diagnosis? That's something that I'm

(51:32):
not I'm struggling. There may be an answer to that, right, okay,
But if you've got all these other places that are
there to give you the other options, what were what
was their diagnosis? Because Girls on therapy is to treat cancer,
so that I don't know if that makes any sense
to me. She also says that she's a retired nurse.

(51:54):
She's not a retired nurse. As we discussed in part once,
she was struck off. That's that's small light, right, But
it's a lie. Why would why would you say such
a stupid lie, especially when you were struck off for
doing something that you felt was right. She felt that
COVID was fake, she felt that the vaccines were dangerous.

(52:15):
That's a noble cause coming from it from her perspective.
Why was she lying so that she retired rather than
I was struck off for being a whistleblower?

Speaker 4 (52:25):
Yeah, yeah, good point.

Speaker 3 (52:26):
I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, but whatever.
So she goes on to claim that paloma was given
respusier case without her consent, and she was never given
a wristband. And she's basically saying that the ahs are
drugging people on the sly and not keeping any sort
of like record so that they can do it. And
they they basically said that she was hooked up to

(52:51):
this mysterious sort of IV that when k came in
an ass Paloma says, I've got no idea what it is,
and it turned out to be like a pre chemotherapy drug.
And so Kay basically said that this is because the
doctors put her on the path of chemotherapy without her consent,

(53:12):
tricking her into it. That could be true. What also
could be true is that basically, like Plona had said yeah, right,
let's go with this and changed her mind when her
mum turned up shouting it's you couldn't possibly say obviously,
But like you know, we know that Kay was opposed
to chemo because she texted and said, don't you chemo.

(53:33):
She's described chemos as mustard gas in the veins and
stuff like that. Also, again, it keeps coming back to
this power of attorney. I don't understand it. Power of
attorney's only used when someone's incapable of making their own
decisions unless obviously someone consents to this. But why would
Paloma consent to this? Why wouldn't you just listen to
what he mum said and go, okay, I agree with you.
I don't know. Maybe maybe there's an explanation, Maybe it's

(53:55):
something to do with who knows, who knows, But so
apparently Ander's mother was trying to get the consultants to
treat Paloma, and Kate thinks that this is suspicious. She's
in fucking hospital. Of course you'd try and get a treatment,

(54:16):
That's why you've gone to hospital. Anyway, Kate says that
she doesn't think that she ever had cancer at all.
She thinks that she had an infection, which again raises
the question, well, why don't you treat her with antibiotics
or something. Why don't you go to one of these
other places and get that diagnosis of an infection. She
says that she would have gone along. Yes. She then

(54:39):
says that she got power of attorney over Paloma. So
I thought she said that in the Richialian stay. She
definitely said it in this one, and that really I
was like, why, I don't understand it? Anyway, She says
that she would have gone along with ploma if she
wanted chemo, but she didn't, and she claims that in
no way did she co worce Poloma into not having chemo.

Speaker 1 (55:02):
She did.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
The first contact that she'd had with the daughter in
months was that text that said tell her not to
consent to chemo or anything. So again, why are you
That doesn't seem true. Why don't you just say I
made it clear that I was opposed to chemotherapy because
of the knowledge that I have. That's perfectly legitimate. Why

(55:23):
are you trying to distance yourself from that decision? She
says that death was actually caused by an overdose of
adrenaline and a cocktail of other drugs, including fentl on
the nineteenth of July, right, which again raises a question.
So you know, in those seven months whilest she was
at your house, why was she still ill?

Speaker 4 (55:47):
Like?

Speaker 3 (55:47):
She says that she was almost fully recovered on the
nineteenth of July. Okay, okay, right, fair enough, But she
claims that the illness that she'd been suffering for the
seven months that kept her away from everything and stuff
like that was caused by this rasp buria case caused

(56:10):
low oxygen intake in the blood, and she thinks that basically,
like that was what was causing this illness, was that
basically she wasn't passing enough oxygen around her blood. Did
they treat it for that? What is the treatment for that?
No idea? She then she then says that she'd been
out shopping on the nineteenth, and she says that there's

(56:32):
a video of her face timing her sister looking very
alive and well and nourished. And it's like, I thought
you said that she was under six stone. That appears
to be a contradiction to you, like she died because
the overdose to because she was very very slight. We
facetimed she looked very alive and well and nourished.

Speaker 4 (56:53):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (56:55):
When Paloma was taken to caos as the house Gavin
Anda turn up. This is apparently the Christmas Eve, and
ca says that Andrew was abusive and had sexually assaulted Paloma.
But these allegations were not made until after the trip
to Sweden with Ander, prior to her biopsy and her
decision not to have chemo, So this was all this

(57:17):
was all after the facts. Essentially, Basically, he apparently they
were fine, they were fined. Who went to Sweden, she
got ill, they came back, he sexually assaulted his girlfriend.
She she dumped him. This is apparently what happened according
to Kate, or she dumped him after about two months. Anyway,
so that Anna and gave a rude and shouting at Kate,

(57:40):
and so she kicked him out of the house. And
you know, she says, on Boxing Day, Poloma's face swelled
and she was feeling ill, vomiting and delirious, and her
pulse was one hundred and forty four. So this is
like what two days after she's taken her out of hospital,
Kate says that she got more ill as her course
of soul levels drop, and then she says that all

(58:01):
her hair fell out, which claims the hospital. She also
claims that the hospital wanted to give Paaloma our chop drugs,
which she claims would drop her survival down to under
twenty percent of two years. That chop our chop was
also going to render her one hundred percent infertile, and
she didn't want that. Like the thing is, like, why

(58:25):
is any of that important? If she didn't have the disease,
She's not got cancer. Recording to Kay, So you decided
not to do that, it's not important. Move on, Although
what apparently this is the ras Bury case that is
causing her face to swell and her hair to fall
out and stuff like this. But anyway, right, Kay then
says that paloma in the hospital, this was before she

(58:47):
was taken out, wasn't offered T cell therapy or immune therapy.
Why doesn't that make any sense? Because Kate says that
she doesn't have cancer, So why would you be treating
a different alternatives to chemotherapy if you said that she
doesn't have cancer? And again, I'll reiterate, what did none
of her clinics across the world help?

Speaker 4 (59:08):
Right?

Speaker 3 (59:09):
If if she's suggesting that these sort of pre chemo
drugs made her ill and this lasted for seven months
and then eventually killed it, which seems to be or
sort of made her ill to the point where she
had a heart attack, why doesn't that happen to all
chemotherapy patients that take more than those doses?

Speaker 4 (59:31):
Hm?

Speaker 3 (59:31):
Hmm, I don't know.

Speaker 4 (59:34):
Yeah, To be honest, man, none of it, none of
it really makes sense.

Speaker 3 (59:38):
It doesn't, does it.

Speaker 5 (59:40):
When she's asked me, Like when Kay and allegedly Paloma.
There are narratives don't really make sense. There seems to
be lots of poles and them lots of questions.

Speaker 4 (59:55):
That's weird. Why is that?

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Yeah, there may be explanations for all of this, who knows.
But but as I say, all we're doing, we have
opinion on this. All we're doing is looking at what
is in the public domain.

Speaker 4 (01:00:06):
And yeah, I haven't I haven't seen seen very much
of it all. So I'm hearing it first from you. Yeah, yeah,
a long time ago. I did watch a Sebastian interview,
the first one. Yeah, yeah, but not really that much.
You know. I didn't want to really get in touch

(01:00:27):
with him because I didn't because we had had a
fallout with Kay publicly and I thought it would be
a bit yeah cheap to bring him on and getting
slaggers momuth. I think, like, that's not really like what
we're trying to do. What we do is that that's
our job, that is what we do. Yeah. But so

(01:00:50):
I also haven't obviously been paying too much attention because
I knew that you would walk me through it so
I could like find out about it. But yeah, I
ain't got an opinion on it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:03):
Yeah, no, no, because we don't know. All we can
do is look at what's in the public public domain
and see if it stacks up and invite listeners to
make their own conclusions.

Speaker 4 (01:01:17):
Yeah. In all I can say right now, is it
that part of the narrative just doesn't make sense.

Speaker 3 (01:01:23):
Well, here's something that's a little strange because penfold Fellow
asks her, did you recommend gerson therapy to Paloma? And
we must remember that Gerson therapy is a thing that
Kate promotes all the time, all the time. She claims
it saved her life. Again if she believes that there's

(01:01:45):
nothing suspicious about that. But she says, no, she didn't
promote it st all, And it wouldn't have been right
for her to promote it because and I quote, she
wasn't her practitioner, which is a very strange thing. Now,
somebody had wrote a comment which is not necessarily the

(01:02:08):
opinion of someday acholic conspiracy, but somebody for weird. It's
like she's trying to distance herself from liability. Either she
is refusing to take responsibility or she knows that she's
full But she says that she did take Paloma for
a second opinion. She says that she took Paloma to
a cardiologist and this cardiologist said that Pallema was really ill,

(01:02:31):
but go to a hematologist And Kaa says that basically
Palerma went to a GP, but she wanted not to
be on her own. So I presume that Kate was
there with her and the GP convinced her to do
girl soon. So it wasn't Kate, even though Kate was
in the room, and this is totally a thing that
Kate promotes, but it was nothing to do with her.

(01:02:53):
It was this GP. Now, when they say GP, I
don't know if they mean GP in the sense that
normal people mean GP. I cannot imagine an NHS GP,
for example, saying yeah, ignore the NHS do Gurson therapy.
So when she says, is that Patrick Vickers, I don't know.

(01:03:16):
She doesn't explain, but she says that essentially it was
all her daughter's decision. And she also tried hyperbaric chambers
as well, but it was Kate that told him not
to get chemo. We know that from the texts right. Also,
Ka's got a power of attorney. It was Kay who

(01:03:36):
took her home, where Kay herself does reduce only gurse
on diets, but it's a complete coincidence that Paloma chose
to do the treatment that. Kate definitely definitely promotes that
wasn't her telling her daughter to do that or convincing
her daughter to do that. It was someone else. If

(01:04:00):
that's if that's that's your story, and you're sticking to it.
When she was asked if she was violent to any
of the children, rather than say no, she says, where's
the evidence. She also says, I if children are being abused,
they won't thrive.

Speaker 4 (01:04:19):
Mmm mmm.

Speaker 3 (01:04:21):
We discussed that before. That's bullshit. That's absolute bullshit. They
you know, lots of lots of people were horrifically abused
and went on to be very, very successful. Now. Kate
then goes on to say about her sons, they're guilty.
They never saw her Paloma, and they're guilty. They feel

(01:04:43):
sick to their stomach with guilt. She also says that
Sebastian was abusive to Poloma the last time he saw her,
which was is September, so the last time he saw
her prior to her getting ill, and she says that
Sebastian was actually arrested to being scary to his sisters.
She then says that she knows what Sebastian's got into,

(01:05:06):
and she knows how much trouble he is, and only
God can help him. And at this point Penfold gets
decidedly uncomfortable and starts wriggling in his chair and says, Kate, Kate, Kate,
let me just stop you there. I know you're not
the sort of person who would throw your sons under
a bus anyway. She then goes on to say that

(01:05:28):
Palomer actually had a heart problem, like a sort of
congenital part problem that like you know. But then she
sort of implies that the pressure of the court case
contributed to her death. She said that this was exacerbating
her pre existing heart condition or she's implying that, but

(01:05:48):
she says that the stress of the court case contributed
to her death.

Speaker 4 (01:05:54):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:05:54):
She then says that they wanted to take her eggs,
so they wanted the NHS wanted to harvest Paloma's eggs,
take them from her body, which sounds really sinister if
you say it like that, right, okay, But if you
say it in the way that it's like normal, like
they understand that there is a chance that you could

(01:06:16):
be infertile after chemotherapist. So what they do is they
take some of your eggs and so that you can
have IVF later in life should you wish to have children.
But it does sound more sinister if you say that
they wanted to steal her eggs. Anyway, she also claims
that there was a plot by her sons to steal

(01:06:37):
her house from underneath hers says that Sebastian has been
trying to steal her house for ages, really, which corresponds
to the statement that Paloma made, which means that she
must have told Plomer about that as well. I can't
think of any other explanation. On July nineteenth, she went
with Ploma to an appointment. They went shopping and she

(01:06:59):
had lunch out side. Then Paloma said that she was
feeling hot, and so she went inside. Now Kate then
shows a picture of Paloma on that day. This picture
that she shows on her phone is nearly unrecognizable. She
goes on about how all her lumps had gone down.

(01:07:19):
But if you look at this picture, her face is
very swollen, and there appears to be a great big
lump on her chin, on like the right side of
her jaw, or there'll be left side of a jaw.
Right as you're looking at it, she doesn't look a
well woman. M And this is the thing where she
says she looks well and nourished, and you know, and
she was practically better at that point. I remember she

(01:07:40):
was practically better. It's like, well, that picture looks I
don't know, I'm not a doctor, but it didn't look
like the previous pictures that i'd seen of her in
like a prom dress. And so it's very very attractive
young lady. And this you could clearly see that there's
something not quite right. It looks like she's got and
had an allergic reaction or something. So who knows. Anyway,

(01:08:04):
So Paloma goes inside saying that she's feeling hot, and
then all of a sudden, apparently her eyes rolled back
and she goes unconscious. And this is when k Kate
Kate thought that she choked, so she forced an airway
a canula is it called an airway down her throat? Right,

(01:08:28):
And at this point in the interview, Kate keeps repeating
she was never sianose, she was never cyanose. She wasn't breathing,
and we couldn't find a heartbeat, but she was never sianose. Roight,
what cyanose means is when your lips and skin goes
sort of blue gray. And she says that she couldn't

(01:08:53):
find a heartbeat and she wasn't sure that she's breathing,
and that she was, but she was never signed. I'm
not a doctor, but that sounds like at that point
Paloma might have been dead. Why did you keep repeating
she was never syonose, as if you're trying to inferm,

(01:09:16):
she definitely wasn't dead. I don't know. That doesn't sit right.
Chaos then claimed that she started CPR, but then she
stopped because again, she wasn't cyanose. She wasn't clammy. She
wasn't clammy, she wasn't sianose. She was just pale and
not breathing with no harby, but she wasn't sianose. So

(01:09:42):
the important thing to take away from this, Brent, is
that Palerma was not syanose.

Speaker 4 (01:09:49):
Then why are you telling me that? Do you know?

Speaker 3 (01:09:51):
What did she do next? What would you do in
that situation?

Speaker 4 (01:09:55):
Called the ambulance, But that's probably not what she did. Now.

Speaker 3 (01:09:58):
She called a friend, Yeah, she called her friend and
a friend came over. And they got they had a
SATs monitor, one of those things that you put on
people's fingers that showed blah blah blah, and the SATs
monitor said that it was a level of forty three. Now, again,
I know nothing about this, but I looked it up.

(01:10:18):
But apparently anything below sixty is dangerous and indicative of
death or like you're near to death at the very least.
Kairs then claims that she used a stethoscope to hear
Coloma's heart, and all of a sudden, a very faint
heart beat came on the heart monitor that they've got.
Whether this is the SAX machine or whether it's a

(01:10:39):
separate thing, I don't know. At some point, an ambulance
is called and the first response as sponder they basically
as far as my own standing goes, and forgive me
if I'm wrong about this, she didn't want her to
perform CPR, and because of her long nails, also an

(01:10:59):
air bulance arrives. Now then Kay goes on to say
that she noted that Paloma. The paramedic noted that Paloma
was very slight. Kay said that she was under six stone.
But then she goes on to explain that that sounds
like she was only ever eight stone at heavier. She
was a ballerina, a rodine ballerina, and apparently this is
the sort of weight. But that's still that's still a

(01:11:21):
loss of like nearly two stones. That's still we would
acknowledge the slightest she's probably ever been as an adult.

Speaker 4 (01:11:31):
Like, there's still a quarter of her weight.

Speaker 3 (01:11:34):
What the fucks she deal with that's made her lose
like a quarter of her weight?

Speaker 4 (01:11:38):
Yeah, hm hm.

Speaker 3 (01:11:41):
Anyway, so then k basically says that she repeats her
a story that the paramedic killed Paloma by giving her
an appropriate amount of adrenaline. They then put a formoral
iv in and apparently Paloma went blue. Now, she then
makes a big deal about them not using the helicopter

(01:12:03):
and some of the paramedics sitting outside her house for
thirty minutes. But she could have been in the back
of the ambulance being seen to being hooked up to
machines and stuff like that. I don't know about that, honestly,
it's quite honest. Now, at this point, the host, because

(01:12:24):
he's a journist, obviously starts pushing back a little bit,
and he says that basically Marianna Spring has said that
all of this is made up, This is all nonsense,
It's all there to cover Kate's actions. And you know,
they essentially that Marianna's implied, as as her son's, that

(01:12:45):
it was her decision to sort of coerce Paloma into
not taking the advice of the NHS that ultimately led
to her medical condition worsting and sadly, her dying. Kate
says that she doesn't need to cover up anything, as
she has proof. She has proof of all of this,
but unfortunately she can't show anybody because that would be

(01:13:05):
contempted court.

Speaker 4 (01:13:11):
Hmm.

Speaker 3 (01:13:13):
Now, I would point out at this point that, and
this may well be the case, who can say, But
the entirety of this seems to be that Kate knows
better than several rafts of experts, better than paramedics, better
than people in oncologists, better than everybody in the hospital,
better than all the responders and such like that, and

(01:13:37):
all of them are combined in some sort of a plot,
a nefarious plot to kill her daughter. The host then,
for some reason, says that he praises Kate, and he says,
I know that Kate is on the up and up
and he uses an example. Do you want to have

(01:13:59):
a guess at the sort of the example that the
host uses to say that he knows that Kate is
a shrewd and honest woman because Kate was one of
the very first people to say that Nurse loose let
Be was innocent. He then goes on to say that, well,
on that Kate has been absolutely one hundred percent vindicated,

(01:14:20):
so she should also be believed on this occasion, I
would like to point out that actually, not only is
she not being vindicated, they think she might have killed
even more babies. The man is a colossal twat in
both senses of the word. Also, Kate Schremararan. He tweeted
earlier this year, this is you're like this, Brent. This

(01:14:44):
was in support of Lucy let Be. Lucy Patsy let Be,
Beverly Patsy, alitt dare we Harold Patsy Shipman Jesus, she
goes on, be my guest, start looking, seek and ye

(01:15:07):
shall find Beverly Ass. It killed a series of babies,
Beverly Ass. It was Alip Sorry, Beverly Alt killed a
series of babies. Powershipman is possibly the largest serial killer
known to the English Isles. But Kay thinks that all
of them might be innocent.

Speaker 1 (01:15:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:15:28):
She says that Lucy let Me was framed by having
the babies injected with adrenaline, and that's not true. They
were injected with air adonan was used to try and
resist take the babies, not to kill them. Now, if
one was cynical, one might say that that was It

(01:15:49):
could either be a mistake on her part, or it
could be a concerted effort to try and paint the
picture that this is a pattern of behavior by the
NHS of murdering people with adrenaline and then blaming it
on something else or someone else. Anyway, KOs then says
that Paloma never actually had a cardiac arrest, so shouldn't

(01:16:12):
have been given adrenaline. She just said that she couldn't
find a heartbeat, and she didn't know if pilema was breathing.
Why the fuck did you call the ambulance? Why did
you give her a nasal land an oral canulate for
her airways? I don't I don't get that. Penfold then

(01:16:36):
asks if Panorama is basically the whole thing was to
cover up Palomer's death, and Kate says, yes, that was
the whole point, Panorama was there to spread a load
of lies to cover up the fact that the NHS
is murdering people and it's a plot that involves an
Israeli pharmaceutical company and they're killing people by shooting them

(01:16:58):
in the leg of adrenaline, and that Panorama is a
tool of mi I six, and that Sebastian had a
second end interview with m I six. Again we were
reiterate m I six is not domestic, m I six
is foreign intelligence. It would be m I five that
that would be involved with with anything like that. But anyway,

(01:17:20):
she said that Paloma was put on a live support machine.
Now what's wrong with that? Nothing's wrong with that, But
what's what's struck me as like not right about that?
Because she didn't have a heartbeat and you phoned an ambulance.
Then she was given adrenaline, which you say killed her,

(01:17:41):
But then she was alive enough to be put on
a live, live support machine.

Speaker 1 (01:17:47):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:17:48):
Could could just be the way that it's been explained.
She also then says that she spoke with Patrick Pullaccino.
Do we know who Patrick Polaccino is? Patrick Polatino, the
nutter that came up with the idea that Midaslam was
being used to murder people. He's that Christian guy that
has been thrown out of all sorts of courts because

(01:18:08):
basically he's got this idea that only God could kill people.
And his entire evidence, which was then later stolen by
Jackie Devoy and presented as her own idea that Midaslam
was used to kill people, was that the NHS stopped
part of Midaslam. Midaslam is used as sedative for putting
people on ventilators, and a lot of people needed to

(01:18:28):
peo put on ventilators. That's not evidence. That's not evidence.
It's not even close to being evidenced. KS. Now here's something.
KS says that she asked the doctors to check for
brainstem death, thinking that basically maybe the colonia was still alive.

(01:18:50):
Do you know what's wrong with that? Well, Kate doesn't
believe in brain death. You what, Well, she's tweeted this
and only twenty twenty five, and she's made several statements
about this, and this is a cavalcade of wrong information.
You cannot take organs from a cadaver. The best organ

(01:19:11):
donors of a beating heart, a circulation are under thirty
years old and ideally on a ventilator. Basically, somebody is
being murdered to give someone else organs. The entire brain
death scenario is a lie. She doesn't think that brain
death is a thing. So how actually you fucking die?

(01:19:31):
I've got no idea, But it's one of those things.
Where are they lie to you about brain death? They
tell you that your brain is dead, but you're not
really dead. It's like, all right, stand up then, no,
pretty dead to me. Anyway, as soon as Poloma died,
she started jumping up and down and saying that they

(01:19:52):
couldn't have her organs, which completely contradicts her previous statement.
How could they her organs?

Speaker 4 (01:20:00):
She was dead.

Speaker 3 (01:20:01):
I thought you had to take the organs from a
live body, so why would they try and take her
organs from a dead body? Incident that you can take
organs from a dead body, of course, you don't have
to take them from a fucking living body. Ridiculous nonsense. Also,
there is a debate about this, right, Okay, an overdose

(01:20:25):
of adrenaline doesn't always but can cause can cause damage
to some organs. So surely if the whole point is
to steal organs for resale. There must be a better
way of doing it that doesn't risk damaging the organs.

(01:20:46):
She then says that people who've been declared brain dead,
which is not a thing, often wake up days later, like, so,
why were you trying to get them to confirm brain
death if you don't believe it's a thing. Anyway, Penfold
says that this is all completely believable because the NHS
is both incompetent and as we all know, evil, so

(01:21:12):
it's entirely likely that they are killing people to steal
their organs. She then goes on to say that basically
Poloma didn't want to do chemo because it would cause
her to become infertile, which is why they would take eggs,
and that it could kill her. But again, why are
we even considering this treatment Because you don't think she's

(01:21:32):
got no hog kinsler foma. You think she's got some
sort of infection, So why would you even begin to
treat You don't have to say we're not doing chemo
because it's because one in five people that do it
end up dead. Is not successful. You could just say
we're not doing chemo because you didn't have cancer. Also,
Kate says that Paloma had said that she didn't want

(01:21:55):
her brothers at her funeral. What's what's problematic about that statement?
Why was she thinking about a funeral? She was getting better,
Apparently on the day that she died, she was practically recovered.
Why would you be thinking of a funeral if I die, Mummy,
please tell my brothers not to come. Why would you

(01:22:17):
be having that conversation you think you're getting better anyway.
She also basically says that Poloma desperately wanted to abuse
her to expose her abusive ex boyfriend and also Ander's
mum Lisa, who Kate claims groomed Paloma. But yeah. She

(01:22:39):
also says that she's cut her sons out of her will,
and spends a surprising amount of time basically sort of
taunting them about how they're not going to get the house.
She then denies having an abortion, and she denies killing pets,
which is something that she has been accused of. Denies
ever having had depression, and again she does this like
anyone could see my medical records. Anyone could see my

(01:23:01):
medical records. It's like she might be telling the truth.
But that is a fairly meaningless statement. Basically, because as
I say, like you know, they're not your fucking stats
as a goalkeeper, they're not publicly available, like do you
know what I mean. The host then goes on to
say that basically, well, the BBC have got form for this.

(01:23:22):
They lied about Kate during COVID. Then she says that
all she did was advise people not to take the vaccine,
which is not true. She called for the hanging of
doctors and nurses and said that COVID wasn't real. So
that's a lie from the host. The host says that
no one regrets not taking the vaccine, and that's not
fucking true, Like hundreds of people begged for it on

(01:23:45):
their deathbeds. Even David Steele, the prominent liar and conspiracy theories,
begged for it on his deathbed. He then lies that
there were large numbers of deaths caused by the vaccines,
and he's then said that Kate was incredibly shrewd and
correct to say that the HPV vaccine was also deadly,

(01:24:06):
which it isn't. So Kate then comes out with quite
an interesting statement and see if you believe this, Brent,
the CIA made m r NA vaccines in the nineteen
seventies for the sole purpose of killing people.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Well, that's a bit of a statement, it is, isn't it.
I've never even heard that.

Speaker 3 (01:24:36):
She doesn't follow upon it. She then just goes on
to say that basically the whole thing, the whole thing
is just about trying to discredit her because she's such
a powerful whistleblower and such a voice of truth. Basically,
and they keep referring to this pandemic to trial as
if it was something sinister and what it was right,

(01:24:57):
It was a It was a double blind trial to
see if a keneline helped after cardiac arrest, and the
trial showed that it kind of did not brilliantly, but
they see as the alternative is death, you know, it's preferable.
They're basically trying to say that the whole Paramedic two
trial was fraudulent and it was a testing ground to

(01:25:18):
see if it killed people so that they could steal
their organs. So he then brings on a chap called
Stuart Wilkie, who was apparently a man whose father was
in his eighties and had a stroke and the NHS
basically said that he would never recover from this stroke,
and so obviously Stuart has come to the conclusion that

(01:25:41):
the man in his eighties having a stroke, that wasn't
what killed him. That was just the excuse that the
NHS used to murder him. I'm not entirely sure for what.
But six days later his mum died in a separate
care home. So they were really enough to require being

(01:26:06):
in a care home. Okay, fine, whatever, but this was
also murder according to him. And he says that during
the pandemic three trial, patients were randomly assigned treatments, and
the most harmful route, according to Stuart, was shooting adrenaline
to the bone marrow. I went read this study. The
trials showed no such thing. It showed very little difference

(01:26:27):
between a blood IVY and a bone marrow IV. And
so he's lying. And his entire premise relies on you
wanting to believe that people are being killed with adrenaline
for no reason. He says that it's a fifty to
fifty if you've got a marrow IV. So it's worse
than Russian roulette getting adrenaline from a paramedic. Now he's

(01:26:49):
forgotten a very very important factor of paramedics giving adrenaline
to certain people. Why do they give adrenaline to these people, Brent.

Speaker 4 (01:26:58):
To start their heart?

Speaker 3 (01:26:59):
Yeah, they're already dead. So when he's saying it's a
fifty to fifty so worse than Russian Roulette? Are the
chances of you basically having a positive outcome with adrenaline?
What are the chances of having a positive outcome without adrenaline? Well,
they're none, aren't they zero? So his higher theory in

(01:27:20):
premise makes absolutely no sense. Anyway, he claims that the
outcome of the Paramedic three trials show that ninety seven
percent of people in ambulances are either dead or brain damaged.
So I was like, well, that will be easy to
find out. So I've googled this and apparently that's not
even close to being true. He then goes on to

(01:27:41):
say that thirty one percent of brain damage is caused
by adrenaline Overjoe adose, and this appears to be a
statement that he's taken from a twenty twenty two New
England Journal of Medicine study that stated about thirty one
percent of survivors in the adrenaline group had either moderately
severe or severe brain damage, can compared with eighteen percent
of those in the Pacibo group. Acordings the report that

(01:28:04):
includes severe brain damage in about twenty one percent of
those receiving adrenaline versus nine percent of those receiving percibo.
The researchers said that in that category survivors a bedridit
ridden in continent and require constant nursing care and attention.
Adrenaline slightly improved a person's chance of survival, though the
finding a show about three point two percent of patients
given adrenaline we're alive a month after the cardiac arrest,

(01:28:25):
pared with only two point four percent of those who
received percibo. However, this is actually again somewhat misleading because
although thirty one percent of the survivors received brain damage,
which is actually you know, a side effect of adrenaline
or can be a side effective adrenaline, do you know
what happened to the people that they didn't survive? Well,

(01:28:47):
they didn't survive.

Speaker 4 (01:28:49):
That's like did you just answer that yes?

Speaker 3 (01:28:52):
Yes, And so this is the point. What they're doing
is they're trying to say that adrenaline is really really
scary and nobody suggesting that it's a perfect drug, right, Okay,
it can cause neurological damage and sometimes severely like almost
like as bad as having a stroke or something like that.
But you die if you don't. Now, there is an

(01:29:13):
argument right about the standard of quality life. But like,
I've had friends that have had strokes, neurological damage and
stuff like that, but I'm glad they're still alive. So
it does seem to be somewhat biased. But anyway, Wilkie
then says, and I quote, anyone who calls an ambulance
is at risk of being murdered with adrenaline. Kate then

(01:29:40):
goes on to say that this is because it's profitable
for the farmer countries, farmer companies, and it's worth billions,
And she then highlights this by saying that it's a
military grade adrenaline gun. And we did say this in
the last episode, but I'm going to repeat it. She
uses that like most people use that. They say military
grade as if it's like, oh, high faluting for enagling

(01:30:02):
right top of the tree, high tech shit. What military
grade means is cheapest, cheapest, mass producible. People just misuse
that phrase all the time, but anyway, whatever. The host
then discovers that Tiva pharmaceuticals who make this gun are
not only based in Israel, but Robert Maxwell was a

(01:30:24):
shareholder and the company is worth sixteen billion dollars, which
basically proves it isn't it. I don't know what it proves,
but it definitely does. Now, Kate comes out with something
that's at best irresponsible. She says that cancer patients don't

(01:30:47):
have cancer. They have symptoms similar to cancer, but this
is only due to the drugs that they're given, and
that brain cancers are often actually misdiagnosed parasites. Fucking idiot anyway.
She then goes on to say that you shouldn't just
assume that it's one thing, right, but they didn't. They

(01:31:12):
had a different But this goes again, this contradict what
she said. That's why they had a differential diagnosis so
they could perform further tests. But you took her out
of hospital. Where were those fucking clinics, Kate? And why
was there no other treatment other than gerson and hyperbaric chambers,
which are both cancer treatments. If she didn't have cancer

(01:31:35):
and cancer isn't even a fucking thing apparently. Kate then
says that keeps saying that they refused an autopsy, and
she thinks that this is because it would have revealed
that the drugs in Poloma's system actually killed her. But
she could have done a private autopsy. But and this

(01:31:56):
also would have proved that she didn't have non Hodgkins lymphoma,
So why didn't she do that? She then claims that
the undertaker told her that there's actually no such thing
as a thing as brainstem death and they can't take
organs from a cadaver. Neither of those statements are true.
I'll bet the undertaker never said that, And why would

(01:32:16):
an undertaker fucking have that knowledge in the first place, Like,
it's not how things work. Now this is interesting because
like Ks then claims that in Korea twenty five people
survive heart attacks. Twenty five percent of people who have
heart attacks survived them, but in the UK it's lower,

(01:32:41):
and she says that part of this is to do
with water boarding heart attack victims as part of NHS protocols.
And what she's talking about here is that it says
that if if someone has a heart attack, get a cold,
wet flannel and put it on their forehead, which which
I think we can both agree, is not exactly the

(01:33:02):
same as waterboarding. Also, do you know what the survival
rate for harsh taxes in the UK? She says it's
less than twenty five percent seventy, so almost the opposite
of what she said.

Speaker 4 (01:33:19):
She alsin.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
She then goes on to basically claim that Andrew was
abusive and sexually assaulted her daughter. However, now this is
a fuck up, right what happened? Brent I you can
believe this? Kate says that when she finally convinced Peloma
to report this to the police, the police came over,
but they sent a male police officer, and so Paloma
decided to not tell the police officer anything, to act

(01:33:43):
as if no crime had happened. Essentially, that's weird in it.
But luckily, luckily she had happened to have written all
of this down and so later a written statement was
sent via text to the police, which is a stroke
of look.

Speaker 4 (01:34:01):
Isn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:34:02):
But also what happened was she found these accusations apparently
written in her diary, which she didn't found until after
the interview with the police. And she says that when
she'd found these diaries that it was even worse than

(01:34:24):
she'd suspected, but in Poloma's statement to the court, she
said that she'd told her mother all about it, and later,
as we'll see, Poloma did send a statement to the police,
which she must have been aware of because she was
living with her at the time. So why did you
have to find all this out in her diary after

(01:34:47):
the fact. I mean, if that's true, I suppose you
could show that, although I suppose anyone could fabricate that whatever.
But she sent an email confirming the accusations that she
didn't want to to make to the policeman's face, so
you know, luckily all the information got through. Then what
happens is that the host makes uh, Kate watched the

(01:35:12):
entire Panorama show, the new one, Yeah wow? And Kate
deals with it with you know, class and good grace.
Oh no, no, she doesn't. She says that her son
Gabe looks fat, and then then she says that she
knows that Sebastian is lying because she knows all about

(01:35:35):
interrogation techniques, which she doesn't. She says, I can see
he's lying. It's classic FBI techniques that I know how
to spot a liar. She knows fucking nothing of this.
She then tells them both to pray to God. Now

(01:35:57):
she keeps going on about these diary entries, right, and
she keeps saying that we know that these diaries are
true because they're written in Poloma's own handwriting, in her
own handwriting. This is Coloma's own words. We have her
diaries in her own handwriting. Did we coerce her to
do that? It's all there and all there, all in

(01:36:19):
her own handwriting. Of course, it's her own handwriting. It's
her diary. Why would you need to bring that particular detail.
I mean, who Else's handwriting would it be in Poloma's diary.

(01:36:40):
The only reason that it would be anyone else's handwriting
other than Ploma's would be if someone else wrote it,
and you don't write something else is somebody else's diary.
So it just seems like a superfluous point to make
that it was in her own handwriting. I don't know,
I don't know. It also doesn't make sense that she's
you didn't know what happened with Andre until you've read

(01:37:01):
the diers, but you'd also spoken to the police previously.
I don't why didn't you say this to when the
policeman arrived, say could I speak to a female police
officer about this, which you're allowed to do? I don't know.
She then Marianna Spring comes on Weight comes on on screen,
and Kate says that she looks her hair looks terrible,

(01:37:26):
she's overweight, and that she has bad skin.

Speaker 4 (01:37:29):
She really loves to add harms, doesn't she she does?
Doesn't she like?

Speaker 3 (01:37:33):
You know what this reminds me of. It reminds me
of that statement that Paloma.

Speaker 4 (01:37:40):
Like mother, like daughter.

Speaker 3 (01:37:41):
I suppose that's the only possible explanation. She then starts
talking about how abortion is bad and this is right, okay,
this is where we can start to do some proper,
actual sort of checking things. She references this film called
The Silent Screen. This is a film that shows a
fetus under ultrasound, screaming and thrashing around when it's aborted,

(01:38:04):
and she says that that everyone should go and watch
this film the science Scream, and this proves that abortions
are dreadful, terrible, satanic things. There's a problem with this film.
It's a fake. It uses special effects. Principally, what it
does is it alters. It does show a genuine abortion

(01:38:25):
under ultrasound, but it alters the speed of the film.
It speeds it up to make it look like the
fetus is thrashing about in pain. And then the freeze
frame on a shot of the fetus with an open mouth,
and they claim that the baby is screaming. But fetuses

(01:38:46):
can't scream. A twelve week old fetus can feel no pain,
and it is very very common for them to have
their mouth open. They can't scream because they're in liquid.

Speaker 1 (01:39:00):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:39:01):
So so this entire film that she brings up as
her reason for thinking that abortion is real is bullshit.
So she's not done with the ad homs. So basically,
like the host brings up Liza Reading, Liza Reading is
a doctor that was on Panorama and she's a cancer surgeon.
She's the lady that was in the show with the

(01:39:22):
glasses and she, obviously because she's on Panorama, she tweeted
out that Paloma had had an eighty five percent chance
of survival and due to Kate Shemarani's GIRs on therapy,
she died. And the host says to Kate, well, that's defamatory,
isn't it. Surely you can sue, and Kate says that yes,

(01:39:43):
she has. She's got an absolute slam dunk case of
defamation because she's not going to sue. Do you want
to know why she can't She's not going to sue.
Kate's own words go on, can't be asked?

Speaker 4 (01:40:01):
Well?

Speaker 3 (01:40:02):
Yeah, yeah. She also says that she knows more about
cancer than this surgeon because she had cancer ones, and
this surgeon has never had cancer. Now, let's ignore the
statement that she made literally five minutes ago where she
said that most cancers aren't cancers and that brain cancers

(01:40:24):
don't exist and stuff like that. She says that she
knew more about the subject of cancer than a cancer
surgeon because she had cancer.

Speaker 4 (01:40:33):
Ones.

Speaker 3 (01:40:35):
What did she do when she had cancer? She had
the tumor. Yeah, she had surgery on the NHS. She
then had breast implants put in on the NHS, and
then she did GIRs on therapy afterwards, which, as we discussed,
requires up to five coffee enemas a day, like an
organic juicing. Do you know what organic means.

Speaker 4 (01:40:57):
No pesticides?

Speaker 3 (01:40:58):
Nope, that's what most people think. It means that it's
grown naturally, sort of like as the way that God
and farmers intended. You know what organic actually means? Carbon based.
Everything's fucking organic everything. Yeah, yes, yes, it's almost as
if it's a marketing phrase, a weasel word that's used

(01:41:20):
by people to sell sprouts.

Speaker 4 (01:41:22):
I don't know, you're fucking kidding me.

Speaker 3 (01:41:24):
No, No, honestly, organic simply means carbon based. It's a
weasel word that's used.

Speaker 4 (01:41:30):
By advertiars you sure. It's not like where words have
two different meanings. No, again, we've discussed before.

Speaker 3 (01:41:36):
No, it's come to be known as the common pilance
as an indicator that this has been has used less pestacize,
But it's not not the case. It just means carbon based, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:41:48):
Exactly, organic organic material, yes, just carbon based. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:54):
I think a pencil would be described as organic anyway. Basically,
so they're going on to just what Arelan said. She
says that she had an eighty five percent chance of survival,
which is actually higher than what was stated on the
program and was stated initially by our oncologists, which is
eighty percent. Kate then says that an eighty percent survival

(01:42:15):
rate isn't worth it because two out of ten will die.
Right now, what is a survival rate? A survival rate
is the people who survive something, right, two out of people.
Two out of ten people die, right, do you know

(01:42:39):
how many people of them die without treatment? Again? One
hundred percent, one hundred percent. So that's again it's so silly.
It's like saying eighty percent, isn't that good? That means
that two out of ten people die. You other eight
out of ten people don't die, and if you don't
have the treatment, ten out of ten people die. Like also,

(01:43:01):
and I don't want to be horrible here, but Paloma died.
She died, like ah. She also goes on to say
that the survival rate of people who've had chemotherapy is
reduced the longer they live because it can cause complications
and stuff like that, and it's like, I hate to

(01:43:23):
keep repeating this, but Paloma died. She then says that
she knows someone whose childhood chemo and then had years
of recovery with stomach problems. It's like, yeah, fair enough,
but you know if they didn't have the chemo, they
would be dead. And then the host says, well, it's obvious,

(01:43:46):
isn't it. And see if you can see the irony
in this statement. This is the NHS playing god, Yeah, yeah,
taking other people's health into their hands and like you know,
having the power of attorney and stuff. Oh no, that
wasn't the NHS, was it. Anyway. Kate then returns to
the Panorama show and says that she she has another

(01:44:09):
important thing that she needs to get off her chest
and before the program, and she points out that the
male doctor on Panorama was also fat.

Speaker 4 (01:44:24):
So you know, wow, just wow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:27):
Yeah,

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