Humour in the Face of Absurdity (with Will Sebag-Montefiore)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So Dear Call It Conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the sum Dear Call It Conspiracy podcast, hosted
by Brentley and Neil Sanders. After nearly twenty years exploring
the world of conspiracy culture, we are taking our guests
and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole,
our mission to discover where the truth lies.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Will thank you so much for joining us today. I
trust that you will not let us down. And you
woke up jewishly Yeah, I mean technically speaking, yes, I did.
Thus for anyone listening, who's like, what an anti Semitic introduction,
I did a sketch recently that is about like the

(01:07):
POV or a deep I'm it's a day in the
life of a deep state conspiracy.

Speaker 4 (01:12):
No, I can't even remember my own sketch A day
in the life of a deep state operative. Well, yeah, yeah,
and I have I have Jewish heritage. And actually the
BBC contacted me to be like just checking with that
Jewish and I say, yeah, so I'm not practicing Jewish,
but I have Jewish heritage. So it's an interesting one
where I've got again some anti Semitism, which is fun,

(01:36):
which is sort of how I found out I have
Jewish heritage was.

Speaker 5 (01:39):
Don't necessarily have to be Jewish to get anti Semitism,
Like there's there's always the old, fullback on the old.
They're crypto jew. You know, evidence doesn't necessarily prove anything.

Speaker 4 (01:52):
Which is ironic as bigots being for equity and inclusion
in terms of their hatred link. That's it's pretty nice
they do it everyone.

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Yeah, I say thank you for getting me off the
hook straight away, explaining.

Speaker 4 (02:06):
Imagine if I just pretended you'd come up with that
and then was like, I'm leaving, get some hits crazing it.

Speaker 5 (02:17):
But yeah, well, you know, one of the things willed
is that I think everybody's kind of noticed that the world.

Speaker 4 (02:24):
Is kind of going.

Speaker 5 (02:26):
It's not going entirely correct, is it. Like I'm pretty
I'm pretty sure there's another timeline where Donald Trump's in
prison and the Berenstein Bears is spelled correctly, and that
woman from from what is it? Moonraker has actually got braces. Again,
we're not on that timeline.

Speaker 4 (02:43):
Mandela died in prison, yeah exactly, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (02:47):
But one of the things that gets us through this
thing is humor and lampooning those people who are making
the world a worse place, and.

Speaker 4 (02:56):
That that seems to be what you're pretty keen on.
It's a very good description of what of where I'm
at with it. Yeah, I'm pretty keen on it. It
sort of happened by accident. I didn't really mean to
become a satirist, and I still don't really know that
I am one, because like I don't. I do a
lot of satirical videos, but I don't really know that
much about politics because I didn't learn it at school.

(03:19):
And I think it's it's funny because I went to
the same school as Liz Truss, so I think we
share our lack of unders doesn't know, yeah, exactly. She
doesn't really know a lot about politics, did she? And
she did very well to be fair, Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 5 (03:33):
She's not looking so good at the minute. She can't
seem to find a hat that fits her. Did you
see her in Washington with that ludicrous oversized We've.

Speaker 4 (03:41):
All been there, We've been Prime minister for forty four
days and then yeah, I don't even know the circumference
of my head. Yeah, it's it's bizarre. She looks like,
you know, the circumference of your head off off the
top of your head.

Speaker 5 (03:54):
Not really No, like I don't worry hats Like I
was like, I'm dying if I ever hand, so I
attempt to have tend to avoid it.

Speaker 4 (04:02):
No idea, just surprisingly small. Oh well, I'm sixty sixty
centimeters all the way around, just in case anyone's checking.
Can we get a fact check on that? But yeah,
like it was bizarre, like she turned up looking a
bit like a sort of she.

Speaker 5 (04:21):
Looked like when when a little girl borrows her parents
clothes and dresses like a train driver like and uh
and suwella bravma. For some reason, it turned up dressed
like Tom Baker like. But yeah, I mean, what what
do you think about all this sort of like toadying
to to Donald Trump that we saw from people like Trust.

Speaker 4 (04:42):
And I think it's unsurprising from someone like Trust. I
think the amazing thing about Liz Trust is that she's
really trying to remain relevant. But even the batshit stuff
she says at the moment, no one seems to care
that much.

Speaker 1 (04:55):
No.

Speaker 5 (04:56):
No, she said she spoke at SEAPAG, but she spoke
to her essentially empty room, and that might have been
because there was a there was a bit of a
balls up in the running order, and I think she
was put on when everyone was having lunch, but it
might just be because she's Liz trust.

Speaker 4 (05:12):
I'm going to ask you, do you think that was
a bulls up or do you think even Jordan Peterson
was like, we can't we can't have her, we must
have one. Well she's on.

Speaker 5 (05:21):
Go and eat some meat and only meat, and to
get myself out of this depression. But yeah, so did you.

Speaker 4 (05:28):
Go to school with her? Were you at school when
she was in school or just the same school, same school.
I imagine I have had to do to look this
this well, or maybe maybe she's actually thirty three as
well and she's just well, this is it, you know, tired. Yes,
it was round round A High school, which is like

(05:50):
just a well performing state school. Like I think it
sounds when I say I went to school the same
school as an ex prime minister, people are like, oh,
you went to Hogwarts, did you? But it's just like
I was a really good school. But I think everyone like,
there's no blue plaque. I think everyone's thoroughly embarrassed.

Speaker 5 (06:09):
But are they kind of proud of it? Are they
like you know, or do they tend to pretend. Have
they changed the name of the school just to avoid
any embarrassment.

Speaker 4 (06:19):
Yeah, yeah, they've changed it to Kastarma High or something,
just to anything, anything to get away from it. No,
Carl Mark's School of New Thought. I think it is.
It is quite nice because often, like I don't know
if you guys have this, if you've gone to school
with people who are doing really well, but I have
gone to someone who will go down in history as
one of the worst prime ministers who served for such
a short term. If an Edinburgh run doesn't sell very

(06:42):
well for me, at least they didn't tank the pound.
You know, it's not that bad. There you go.

Speaker 5 (06:47):
This is the thing, Like, my dad went to the
same school as Harold Shipman.

Speaker 4 (06:52):
I don't think. At the same time, it might be
a personal question about has your dad ever murdered anyone?
Not that I know of, but you know, so either
not a serial killer or more serial serial killer.

Speaker 5 (07:05):
This this is the thing, like, and you know I'm
going to err on the latter, so you know it's
he was a very coomplished man. You know, what can
you say? Like, I think if you wanted to be
a serial killer, I think you probably would have been
the best.

Speaker 4 (07:20):
It's like a school report of a well performing psycho path.

Speaker 5 (07:24):
Yeah, my friend's dad went to school with John Lennon
at least a cycle to school together.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
That's that's wild. Hello, Ian if you're listening, like, but yeah,
on just to talk about that one experience, because that's.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
Well, that's it, that's the experience. Like you've kind of
done it. I've readed it. In fact, we did have
him booked on to tell that story, and I'm going
to have sadly, yeah tell.

Speaker 4 (07:51):
Him that, like, I'm sorry, you've been bumped now, and
I'm sure the truth of it is entirely inane and dull.

Speaker 5 (07:58):
Well, this is he was ends with John Lennon when
it was about I think it was about ten and
they were cycle to school together.

Speaker 4 (08:05):
That was it.

Speaker 5 (08:05):
But but I don't think you got credit, like on
the White.

Speaker 4 (08:08):
Album or anything like that. He is the fin beetle.
Is that what? Yeah? This is it.

Speaker 5 (08:13):
Lucy in the Sky with Diamonds is actually about him,
do you know what?

Speaker 4 (08:17):
Right? I really I've read something recently that Pa McCarty
had finally come out and said, oh, you know Lucy
in the Sky with Diamonds. It was actually about drugs, and.

Speaker 6 (08:24):
It's like no one believed the story about his kid
drawing a picture, like come on, like have a word,
like thanks, pauls cheers all the things you could have
told us about the Beatles.

Speaker 4 (08:38):
That song was about.

Speaker 5 (08:39):
Drugs, you know, oh thanks, brilliant relation.

Speaker 4 (08:43):
Yeahs Anthony Keids coming out being like Californication is actually
about prostitution, and it was.

Speaker 7 (08:48):
Like, we know, way, so yeah, So what is it
that the sort of drove you to, uh, to become
a satirist?

Speaker 5 (08:59):
Like, what was the thing that what was the straw
that broke the camel's back?

Speaker 4 (09:01):
I think it was a look, it was a couple
of straws, like three or four straws dropped on this
poor camel at the same time. One was the pandemic.
One was just in the acting world and the comedy
world having to make your own work and do stuff,
and making your own work in the pandemic meant doing
stuff online. And I think I think I'd always been

(09:22):
slightly like dreams of being political aspirations, but no, no,
don't see, I don't have the vocabulary. This is what
I mean. I didn't I had aspirations, but no vocabulary.
To be political. But I did buy a T shirt
when I was like sixteen that said unfuck the world,

(09:42):
so that was pretty cool. But I didn't know how
it didn't have like how to do that underneath it
or what about the world was particularly fuck. So I
don't know, And I think the thing was the I
think it was party Gate. Really it was. It was
seeing the response to I took lockdown and this really

(10:02):
difficult time, and the sort of bare facedness of the
you know, all animals are equal, but some animals are
more equal than others kind of thing. I was just like,
this doesn't seem fair. And I've done a lot of
parodies with my sketch group, and basically so I think
I started doing like little interviews where I cut little

(10:23):
interviews up and I started making raps about basically because
Sue Gray sounded rhymed with doctor Dre so I was like, well, yeah,
there you go.

Speaker 5 (10:33):
And apparently they're both threw deep barns down as flight
of stairs at one point as well, So there's that
that similarity. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, like yeah that we
were going to talk about the rap that's the Sue
Gray rap was fantastic, suff like thanks.

Speaker 4 (10:49):
Yeah, it's a Actually, looking back at the I still
like it's sort of run its life because performing it
live now you have to do a lot of build
up to be like, does everybody remember this? So, who's
Sue Gray is? Yeah? Yeah, and she for a while
she was obviously a kid's chief of staff. But even
then it was still felt fell out of date. But

(11:11):
it's interesting doing stuff online because often, like I do
a lot of live stuff, but when you've put it online,
going back and looking at some of the way I
did the music videos at the start in like twenty twenty,
I find it cringe to watch myself. So I appreciate
you having to watch me sincerely rap and not cut enough.
You've got to cut every couple of seconds to make
sure you don't get the ick. So I appreciate you

(11:33):
still having me on after watching it because it's right.
But the visuals, oh no.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
It's it's really good. I advise loves for everyone to
go in there to look at that. Are you a
hip hop fan?

Speaker 4 (11:45):
I am, yeah, but I think this is the most
white and middle class thing I could say. The way
I properly got into hip hop was by watching an
English teacher do a rap battle. Really yeah, it was
Mark Wrist. I mean I was just gonna ask, is
it Mark Chris? Yeah? Cool? Don't Flop?

Speaker 5 (12:03):
Oh yeah, do you know we know Tony D? Like
with Tony D's been on the show. Yeah, we likes Yeah,
he's brilliant.

Speaker 4 (12:12):
Yeah, so I sort of I always liked rap like
we used to. There were a couple of kids at
our school who did. Like there were the LS seven Battlers,
so my post code was l S A. The l
S seven Battlers was a big thing, and lads you
can still find on YouTube. I guess what happens when
man tri step the battle begins, so you hit him
with a left. It was all incredible stuff. So it

(12:34):
was like I grew up enjoying it and really liking it.
But then I really, I properly got into it when
I started watching Don't Flop and I just used to
watch all of their rap battles and there was a
part of me that was like, I thought that would
be my way into comedy, I'll start. So I used
to write loads of like rap battle versus and have
just never used them. So then when PI gate happened,

(12:55):
I was like, oh yes, finally could finally snag pent up.
I actually wrote that like twenty years previous, when she
was just a humble civil servant.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
I was like, one day, how close did you get
to sort of applying for Don't flu.

Speaker 4 (13:14):
Not close at all. It was very like I'd watch
it and I used to know a load of like
Shufflety and Marlow's stuff off by heart and the compliments
of Battle. Yeah, yeah, and I used to I think
the first one I properly was like, well was the
shoddy horror unanimous like title Matt and well yeah, yeah, oh,
I just absolutely loved it. I just really like words

(13:36):
and rhymes. They're great, aren't they. That.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
The thing that was good about Don't Flop was it
it had a degree of there was a there was
a strong streak of comedy through it.

Speaker 1 (13:48):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (13:48):
Yeah, U r L is just like it's so incredibly
matcho to the point of being a little bit homer erotic, but.

Speaker 4 (13:56):
Also intensely homophobic at the same Yeah, which almost circles
back to homo again. It's a it's an auraborus of
like a big old of homophobia and yeah, precisely, but
yeah no, so yeah, we're big, big fans of hip hop.

(14:16):
So that's what we like it on this This show
is hip hop comedy and big politics and conspiracy theories.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Perfect.

Speaker 5 (14:25):
So what's what sort of conspiracy theories do you like?

Speaker 4 (14:28):
Do you do?

Speaker 1 (14:29):
You?

Speaker 5 (14:29):
Are you into? Like you know UFOs or Lockless Monster?

Speaker 4 (14:34):
I would love the Locknest Monster to be real, and
I think I exist. I sort of feel the same
way about a lot of conspiracy theories as I feel
about ghosts, Like I feel like I feel like science
tells us neither neither are true, but then I really
want to see one and like I really want them

(14:55):
to be real, and I also don't like there's in
our house at the moment, my partner, did you ever
read the Artemis Foul books? I was familiar with them.
So it was about this this super genius kid who
realized there were fairies living under the earth. And it's
all based on like Irish mythology of the fairies. Okay,
so the fairies used to like live on the earth

(15:16):
and they got forced underground and that and his name's Owen.
I think it's Owen Koifa. But me pronouncing an Irish
name problematic. There's too many, too many vowels and also
too many consonants, but they he describes in it that
if you when you know that thing where you see
something out the corner of your eye and your glance
over and it's gone, yeah, that's a fairy, because they

(15:38):
have very good camouflaging technology, and I see fairies all
the time in the house of like a little flash,
which is probably just like someone in my eye or
like a trick of the light. But also it's definitely
a fairy from another world.

Speaker 5 (15:50):
That's sorry, that's just reminded me of this guy.

Speaker 4 (15:52):
Well, I won't name.

Speaker 5 (15:54):
It was fairly prominent in the UK conspiracy circles that
had this I dear that there were these black energy
octopuses from out of space and every time that you
thought you saw something out the corner of your eye,
it was one of those maybe.

Speaker 4 (16:10):
It's okay, So now that's going to freak me out
whenever I see one.

Speaker 5 (16:13):
Well, he got he did get I mean he did
get let go from his profession because he told his
employees that these out of space energy octopuss were attacking
the infrastructure of the company and they really needed to
do something, and they apparently like as part of the
cover up, he was let.

Speaker 4 (16:32):
Go from did you work an aquarium? Yeah, these octopuses
are attacking that, mate, they just live here. That's part.
That's the octopus enclosure.

Speaker 5 (16:44):
That would be less strange, but but no, it was
a yeah, it was a yeah, a fascinating guy.

Speaker 4 (16:51):
Yeah, what a strange one. I don't think there's any
conspiracy theories that I really believe in, because I think
the conspiracy theory is that are like the real world
is so much more messed up than conspiracy. It's like
the idea of nine to eleven being an inside job.
I remember when I was at UNI, I watched one
video that said it was an inside job, and I

(17:12):
was like, holy shit, this definitely was an inside job,
and then watch the debunking video afterwards and was like, oh,
that was all horseshit right, Sorry, But then the use
of that to then invade a country, to like the
use of that event to invade a country and perform
an a llegal war, that's the thing we should be focusing on.

(17:33):
And that's the fucked up thing that that's the conspiracy theory.
But that's just a thing that happened that we all
know happened. And they were like, there are weapons of
mass destruction. And I remember, as a thirteen year old
or whatever, I was being like, I think there are
no no, I think they're often like they're a bit
of crack. But but then I don't think they are

(17:54):
a bit of crack. When people like, hah haha, flat earth,
I'm like, flat earth is like the gateway drug every
else as well. Flat earth is.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:03):
Like, we've had people that we knew in the industry
or in the community and stuff like that who we
previously thought were really really quite.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
You know, not stupid.

Speaker 5 (18:16):
I'll give you an example of somebody that I used
to chat with and stuff like that. They said, I
didn't really buy into this flat eirth thing. I thought
it was a sigh up because it can't just be
people being like stupid, can it.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
It must be someone manipulating someone. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (18:30):
Yeah, Anyway, he found the biggest flattest field that he could.
He went and lay down in the center for as
long as he could. He didn't feel the earth move.

Speaker 4 (18:39):
Well to it. Now, to be fair, I didn't know
he'd done that so well, this is the thing.

Speaker 5 (18:44):
It did make me think about it, and then I thought, no,
that's stupid, isn't it.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
But if he did that with one other person, then
he could say it was a peer reviewed study and
then that's.

Speaker 5 (18:54):
Like, yeah, then he gets in the New York Times,
doesn't it because you've got two points of reference, so that's.

Speaker 4 (19:00):
Exactly yeah, yeah, and you've got a couple of footnotes
in there. Look, this is this is good stuff.

Speaker 5 (19:07):
Well the other guy, right, okay, whose son is actually
a very good battle wrapper who's appeared on Don't Flop,
He went on a moldoven television show.

Speaker 4 (19:18):
Is it moll?

Speaker 5 (19:19):
I think it's something meant like that, and he explained
his thesis about like why the Earth is flat, and
the thing that he couldn't get his head over was
if you've got a gyroscope on, say a helicopter or whatever.
If he went from say the north pole all the
way round and under to the south pole, why would't
the gyroscope flip over? And somehow that proves that the

(19:41):
Earth is flat? And it's like, you do understand how
gyroscope works. It's drawn to the center of the planet. No, no,
but this is the thing he clearly no, he evidently
doesn't like understand what it is. But like that's one
of those things where it's like I had this stupid
thing where it was like when I was younger, I

(20:01):
was like I had to convince a load of people
in one of these classes that time was going faster.
And the reason that time was going faster is because
if you think of the planet like a racetrack, takes
longer to get around the sort of outer ring. Okay,
and in the past we know this from looking like
suits and armor and stuff like that, people were short,

(20:21):
so it stands to reason that being taller, you have
to go faster to go the same distance.

Speaker 4 (20:26):
Hence time is speeding up. I mean, I can't debunk that.
I don't exactly like you do that this is the thing, like,
you know, you've just got to look outside the box,
even if it's you know, stupid and wrong. I really
appreciated that you said that that person couldn't get their
head over instead of getting their head around it, because

(20:48):
they wouldn't have respected to get the concept of getting
your head around something. I would have gone over.

Speaker 5 (20:53):
Yeah, yeah, it certainly wouldn't have gone under because it's
just because then the turtles would have eaten him.

Speaker 4 (21:00):
I do think it is something that I don't I
don't really relish that much. I know people do like
the they're making fun of people who fall for this
ship basically because it's so intoxicating and I so understand.
Like I watched that one nine to eleven video and
I was fully like, especially because I don't have huge

(21:23):
trust in government institutions and things. No, this is well,
this is the thing, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (21:27):
Like we constantly try and highlight this although you know
we are sarky fuckers.

Speaker 4 (21:31):
Oh it's ice to be. Don't get me wrong, I'll
love a bit of sark. Like.

Speaker 5 (21:36):
You know, the people that most of the people that
are into conspiracy theories like are trying to do it
because they're trying to like make the world a better place.
They might be sort of like ill advised or whatever,
they might be sort of being manipulated by people, but
that you know, the interest in the world. They're trying
to uncover evil and they're trying to counteract it.

Speaker 4 (21:53):
Basically.

Speaker 5 (21:54):
The thing is, it's interesting, as you say, where conspiracy
theories start on what point start to get dangerous and
like and you know what, at what point did.

Speaker 4 (22:05):
They become real?

Speaker 5 (22:05):
Because it's it's interesting you saying about the distrust of authority,
say something like the rampart scandal in America or something,
you know, widespread corruption in the Los Angeles Police Department
and you know, essentially cover up of crimes in some
in some cases as much as armed robbery and things

(22:27):
like that. You can understand why, I mean conspiracies happen
because this conspiracy by definition, is more than one person
plotting something. But usually they're more to do with sort
of like politics or making money, to be quite honest, like,
but those things are kind of boring and complicated, but

(22:50):
satanic ritual is kind of sexy.

Speaker 4 (22:52):
I mean it has to be like you know, that's
that's what.

Speaker 5 (22:55):
Part of the how you do it well, but it's.

Speaker 4 (22:58):
A much more it's a cooler story. And you also
have the benefit as a conspiracy theorist to work backwards
from the ending and yeah, make everything makes sense. Yeah,
so you don't have to write up to something. You
can be like, right, what makes and it's easy to
find correlations there and.

Speaker 5 (23:16):
That that's something that we found in fact, even with
ourselves going back and looking back at like, you know,
things that we believed or took to be sort of
credible in the past.

Speaker 4 (23:26):
Is that what you do.

Speaker 5 (23:27):
You start with a set of assumptions like we know this,
and we know this, and we know this. And if
you're looking for something rather than following the evidence to
see where it goes, you'll find something that gives you
the impression that that thing is real, even if it's
and in many ways sort of like, well, I couldn't
find this, but I found this one bit, this one
tiny tiny thing that like, but that's often more powerful

(23:51):
in the sort of conspiracy world, even though it's it's
not to everybody else, because it it does two things.
It shows that there's a chink of evidence, but the
fact that there's not a lot shows there's.

Speaker 4 (24:03):
A cover up. Yeah, and so yeah, and so you
get into.

Speaker 1 (24:07):
All of them.

Speaker 4 (24:07):
He accidentally left this little bit out.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (24:10):
I think that is that there's a big issue of
with it because it feels it uses the language of
science and asking questions, but it doesn't do it from
a scientific perspective. And now I'm bad at science. Like
my parents are both medical, my dad's doctor, mum's a nurse,
And I was just creative because I couldn't deal with
deaf and answers. Love a story way more so much

(24:31):
easier to make a story than be like, I don't
know what covalent bonds are, sorry, but my dad is brilliant.
They're both brilliant, but my dad specifically, I remember being
whenever he's presented with a new bit of information, he
throw He really is very good at throwing away his biases.
And I remember him like, I don't know many dads
who in like the early two thousands when we were teenagers,

(24:54):
was like so at dinner, he was like, so, I've
heard sexuality as a spectrum. What does that mean? And
would just ask his kids and speak to young people
about it. And my sister and I were my sisters,
and I were like, yeah, you know, like I think straight,
but you know, like, oh it often looked at other
people and like whoa, it doesn't really matter. Everyone's sort
of somewhere, and he was, oh interesting, And so I

(25:15):
think it was always valued growing up of being curious
and being like, let's let's work stuff out from a
place of like I could be right, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (25:24):
M hmm, yeah, yeah, I mean, I mean that's one
of the things as well. It's like it's it's good
to have like questions, but it's also one of these
things where it's like it's perfectly okay to not know the.

Speaker 4 (25:35):
Answers and stuff like that.

Speaker 5 (25:36):
But yeah, a big time, particularly with social media, like
it's really got this sort of thing where everybody's got
to be in the know and people are just flat
out lines say, ah, I know this, and this is
like you don't. You've got no clue about anything? Yeah,
and why would you like? But for some reason at
the minute, society is like, well you should, because you should,

(25:56):
because you've got to have an argument to own the
limbs or my fit.

Speaker 4 (26:00):
This friend of mine called Josh Berry, who's a comedian,
and he was saying that you can't you can't monetize
the nuance, which is a really good way of putting it,
because you can't. You can't sell a podcast or sell it.
Now the Diary of a CEO was just like, ah,
eat vegetables, get the cancer treatment, probably take some supplements.
It just doesn't have the same bite as like if

(26:24):
you don't pooh for six weeks, you won't get cancer.
He's not Stephen Bartlas never said that I should say, uh,
holding you that's my that's going to be my new
wellness thing. It's just holding your poo for as long
as you can. It's the opposite of a coffee, and
it's a new character your development. Yeah, yeah, he's called
it's called the constipated centrist. I'm holding in everything and

(26:48):
I don't know what to do. I think kids doing
a good job, but I don't specifically know what policies
I agree with. Have you heard the latest in the
conspiracy world?

Speaker 5 (26:59):
Anti can answer high technology or it's not really high technology,
but it's like that. There's there's two things that at
the minute, they're kind of saying that a cure alls
for all sorts of things.

Speaker 4 (27:11):
Okay, I've said this, What is.

Speaker 5 (27:14):
Smoking or just nicotine in general? Nicotine, yes, new tropic.
It's like helps you, it helps you concentrate, absolutely harmless.
It's it's good to put in your mouth and chew.
It's good smoke. It's good to have cigars. And obviously
these things are hyper masculine as well. And also people
saying that it's a it's a cancer cure, COVID cure,

(27:36):
all sorts of things.

Speaker 4 (27:39):
It's because there was there was there was some data
of like smokers being less likely to get it or something.

Speaker 5 (27:43):
At some point there was a there was a tiny,
tiny thing that that people misinterpreted with COVID that said
that at the beginning, it kind of looked like smokers
were in some way protected, but very very quickly it
turned out that the opposite was was true, and that
because we're dying in far greater rates and having far
greater sort of bad reactions.

Speaker 4 (28:04):
They were just going out for smoke breaks during the
initial infection period and that was the reason. Yeah, I
think it was.

Speaker 5 (28:10):
There was a twack called Brian Ardis, who's a chiropractor
that is still trying to sell the nicotine.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
Can't imagine, sorry, just imagine. Oh my chiropractice told me
to smoke that what an amazing center.

Speaker 5 (28:22):
That's not even that's not even the stupidest ship that
this guy came out with. Like his theory of what
was actually causing COVID was that someone had put a
load of snake venom in the drinking water of America. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
it's it's just stuffed as it sounds like it's a
man like, Yeah, no.

Speaker 4 (28:42):
It's because it just sorry, No, you're on to keep going. No, No,
that was it.

Speaker 5 (28:48):
That was I was sorry, and the other one Sorry, is,
and this is I think probably worse than encouraging people
to get to smoke. It's this is very left field.
The measles, in fact measles. That's the reason that they

(29:09):
want you to get vaccinated so you don't get measles,
because they know that measles fights cancers. And obviously if
people got measles and therefore cancer didn't exist, then that
big farm would be fucked. And we all remember obviously,
like you know, a couple of hundred years ago, when
meals was really really prevalent, there was no such thing

(29:30):
as cancer, was it?

Speaker 4 (29:31):
Like no, like, but yeah's I think I think Andrew
Wakefield has a lot to answer for. Andrew Wakefield is
a tosser. Yeah, absolutely, Like have you seen the h
Bomber Guy video essay on vaccines and autism?

Speaker 5 (29:47):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, yeah, it's astonishing stuff. And the Brian
Deer book is very very as well, Like Wakefood was
an absolute monster.

Speaker 4 (29:55):
It's astonishing. Do you know what gets me about still
talking about the measles thing? And autism in the vaccines
is like the father of this stuff and it's spread
ironically like unvaccinated measles. It's terrible.

Speaker 5 (30:10):
Yeah, yeah, like a lot of people don't know what
his theory was. That's what gets me was that when
you spoke to when I spoke to people that were
like supportive of Wakefield, not a single one of them
understood what each theory actually was. Like most people don't
understand which theory is. His theory was that the measles
mumpson rubella vaccine left dormant measles particles in the stomach,

(30:35):
and it would also cause a thing called leaky gut,
which doesn't exist. But this leaky gut would basically mean
that these sort of things would get into the bloodstream
and then when the children bread, this bread reacted with
this turned into morphine, and this called encephalitis in their heads,

(30:57):
which then sent them autistic. That's his fucking theory. I
swear to God, that's the theory. And I've said this before.
It's like, well, that raises the question exactly how much
bread would you need to eat to get high? It's
a really good question, Like it's absolutely stupid. I think

(31:18):
his initial study was on twelve kids, two of which
had got autism before they were vaccinated, and one of
whom wasn't autistic.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
I think it was more than that weren't possibly, Yeah,
it was just a renowned study. It's been found that
there was child abuse committed during.

Speaker 5 (31:37):
Studying unnecessary curlentoscopes on children.

Speaker 4 (31:40):
And this is the thing that sort of is upsetting
is like the amount the media platform him And it's
like the amount of the media platform farage at the
moment despite the fact yea, the Green Party of the
same amount of MPs. Oh, we've got to have some
opposite representation.

Speaker 5 (31:54):
It's I, no, you don't. You have a duty to
report the facts.

Speaker 4 (31:58):
Yeah, and if you're going to discussion, if you're going
to go down the opposite representation line, then why aren't
the Green Party being And it's because it won't sell
a paper because you can't this This is exactly the thing.

Speaker 5 (32:09):
It's that that thing where it's like we'll have some
twat on the television like Tommy Robinson nor thing because
it will cause outrage. And we've got two people to
audiences one that like it, well, three audiences, one that
like him, one that that turn into hate watch, and
then a third that just turned into watch the spectacle.

Speaker 4 (32:26):
Tune in to make satire out of it. That's the
sad reality.

Speaker 5 (32:29):
Yeah, but like this normalizes it and before you know it,
basically like Nigel Faraars is the most sort of most
repeated guest on question Time, and it's like, why why
he's not really I was having this conversation with a
friend of mine and he's like, yeah, you don't understand
that Pharaohs is very relevant. It's like, he's not relevant.
It looks like he's relevant, like because he's always on

(32:50):
the fucking telly right, Okay, but he's not. It doesn't
even translate into outside of the echo chambers of social media.
It doesn't.

Speaker 4 (33:01):
It doesn't translate to the real world. But there's and
there's lots there are people who are like I like Farage.
You're like, well, what do you like about him? And
it's like, oh, well he's tough in immigration. But that's
it's all very surface level stuff. It's like being like
I follow Andrew Wakefield, Well, what you know what was
his MMR study into And did you know that he
had patents in other companies for individual measles ups and

(33:22):
rubella vaccines. No, you didn't care because you didn't look
into it. Because it solved the problem and it was
easy to be like this is the this is why
life is hard, and this easy solution makes me feel
less afraid. What's your opinion of people like Alex James.
He's a great, huge fan of Alex Jones. Love him. Yeah, yeah,

(33:44):
it's big. We've got an a tattoo. He's the one
who said that the sandy Hook Masco was baked and
the frogs were the But that was there was part
of that that was like frogs are hermaphroditic or something.

Speaker 5 (34:00):
There's there's a chap that dresses look like a genie
that pretends to be a scientist, and he did these
experiments and it showed that the agazine caused these frogs
to change sex. Except these particular types of frogs are
known to, as you said, be hermaphrodid in real life,
and no one in the entire planet has been able
to replicate these experiments. But this is the thing like

(34:25):
but but again, it's become a little bit of a truism,
Like I think Joe Rogan even saying Alex James was
right about this, so he absolutely was.

Speaker 4 (34:32):
Well Joe Rogan saying someone was right incorrectly, what I
know exactly. I used to listen to the Joe Rogan podcast.
I also was a fan of Russell Brand when he
did The Truths. I used to because The Truths. I
remember it was the first sort of and when he
was like campaigning for the I've forgotten the name of
the estate in London that was going to get demolished

(34:55):
or something. Yeah. Yeah, he was very into sort of
left wings and like, I really liked him. And then
he was telling everyone not to vote and I remember
telling my my then girlfriend, I loved it, this is cool,
look at Russell Brand's doing and she was like, this
is so irresponsible man, and I was like, is it what?
And then the way I remember it is the day after,

(35:16):
the day after voting registration closed, he said, actually should
probably vote labor in this election. Yeah yeah, I remember
that and I was like, huh. And this was before
I worked in the comedy world and heard all the
true stories that have since come out. And but I
think it's so easy to get sucked into these things,

(35:37):
and and it's really weird that I don't remember if
there was even a question asked, but I just got
distracted by remembering that I used to be into Russell Brand.

Speaker 5 (35:45):
Is Joe Rogan, Oh yeah, Yeah, used to promoting Alex's
theories and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (35:52):
Yeah, and it again I think, like, do you think
it just becomes a bit of a game once you're
that successful and rich, that it's all symbolic and interesting
and you are just questioning things and seeing what waves
you can make. Is that what's happening?

Speaker 5 (36:11):
I don't know, if you're snickle, I'd suggest that basically,
once you get one hundred million dollars, like suddenly you
become quite sort of like in tune with the idea
that rich.

Speaker 4 (36:21):
White people should probably be able to keep all of
them money. Yeah, And at the end of the day,
like there's also the sunken cost pallacies in play here,
Like he's invested so much into this and he's received
so much as a reward for pushing this stuff.

Speaker 5 (36:39):
Also, I think I think one of thing with Rogan
was a couple of things. One, he used to be
very good. It used to be very interesting, and so
people were tell him he's very good. And then he
surrounded himself with increasingly rich and increasingly right wing people
that told him stupid shit. But by that time, he's
provinced that he knows what he's doing and he's a
good interview and you know, it's crazy.

Speaker 4 (37:01):
And I think it's because he like straddles this lane
of being a comedian who was very countercultural back in
the day also being like a UFC fighter, like like
being this ultra masculine sort of guy who's also like
got this macho sort of approach to stand up of
like you fucking kill I've fucking killed bro appeals to

(37:23):
like this it's easy as and I have this as
as a man who is very much in touch with
his feminine side, and like it deals with like latent masculinity,
like what what am I? What am I doing? What
do I care about this? But you are like god,
I should be muscly, wealthy and funny and yeah, I

(37:45):
don't know when you start Sean's only two of those? Yeah, yeah, fair,
I mean he used to I think it's undeniable that
it was. He was funny like it used to be.
He knows how to play his crowd and make jokes,
and he uses that powerful bad sometimes, doesn't he As
a comedian yourself, what do you think of his thoughts

(38:06):
of the two hundred and fifty comedy assassins?

Speaker 5 (38:10):
What's that he thinks that basically the comedians are essentially
the only real and true sort of artists in the world,
and they have an important role to They could change
the world by telling the truth. But at any one time,
there's only about two hundred and fifty of these elite people.

Speaker 4 (38:28):
On the world.

Speaker 5 (38:29):
He's one of them, and Dias is one of them,
and you know all these friends are one of them,
including but Chreischer.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
For Christ's sake. Yeah, I think what he's done there
is misattributed that the very small amount of people who
are that successful and wealthy from from comedy being like,
well do I guess they're the best ones? That's not true,
Like there's so much luck based on it. I think
that's the funniest and most embarrassing thing to think about

(38:59):
a fucking man standing on stage telling some dick jokes.
Go fuck yourself, man, it's not impressive, it's not big.
You're not George Carlin, Like, you're not speaking truth to
power anymore. You're like you're a jester who's become the king,
and it's now just being like, look, I made dance.
What stupid thing to say. I hate this, Like, I

(39:19):
think there's a really important place for comedy. I think
it's gonna be so cathartic. I think it's such an
amazing tool and it can change people's lives. But the
idea that you're doing anything other than fucking telling some
jokes and making people feel something. You're not a better
artist than fucking John Lennon. And you didn't even cycle
to school with Ian, So what's the point in you?

(39:40):
I don't know. I get really annoyed about this, like
inflated sense, and maybe it's me being cynical as well,
because I think art is beautiful and important and however
you care about it is amazing. But turning it into
this like we're the only free thinkers is such an
elitist way of looking at things. The idea that's someone
who works at TESCO can't think freely or influence people

(40:05):
and make their like it's just dumb. That really annoys me. Yes,
did you see rogan as most recent special?

Speaker 1 (40:14):
No?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
No, I missed it. I missed it. Had tickets, but
missed it.

Speaker 5 (40:18):
And of course he does a lot of stuff about
COVID and suggesting that he's One of his main jokes
is they lied to us so much about COVID.

Speaker 4 (40:25):
I now think that the.

Speaker 5 (40:26):
Moon landing is fake again, and it's like, ah, come on,
he's very much pandering to it.

Speaker 4 (40:32):
He seems to have gone down that. But that's that's
a funny. That's a funny joke because it's like I've
I've brought into this conspiracy theoris I'm believing in other ones,
Like it's funny. The thing I like about that one
is because I can laugh at it, but for a
different reason that someone who believes in it would laugh
at it.

Speaker 5 (40:49):
That's the thing. But but that's what a lot of
people have pointed out. It is like the joke's on
you there, But like, but that's not how he's projecting it.
He's projecting it is that he's really smart.

Speaker 4 (40:59):
And it's like, oh yeah, and it's funny because like,
I just don't I just don't think COVID was a
sigh up and that they forced us all to stay inside.
But I do think we should talk about the fact
that loads of people became incredibly rich because of it.
I think that's the important thing to talk about. And
it's like, imagine if you were using that platform to

(41:20):
talk about I'd just love to know what's going on
in their brains. I think they just think they're really
important and grown up and they need to get in
touch with their inn a child guys. Essentially, this is
the thing.

Speaker 5 (41:34):
It's just like, you know, do people miss the in
inverted commas real stuff because it's boring or complicated? Then
they want to go for the more sort of sexy stuff.
I suppose, Like you know, what's your opinion of, Like
I mean the recent Trump administration, Like if we're talking

(41:56):
about conspiracies and stuff like that, you've got RFK, who
doesn't believe that as the vaccines are safe and effective
heading up the Health and Human Services Department.

Speaker 4 (42:05):
I just think that's going to go. I think it's
another It's like Liz Trust, It's amazing how far you
can get with such little knowledge. And I think it's
funny that like the ven diagram of that I cross
over with with RFK. I think he's trying to get
rid of like chemicals and additives that are deemed as
safe and like, I think the America especially has such

(42:26):
a fucked up relationship with the way they treat food
and the ultra processed food, and I think that's so bad.
But I also think you can't deny the science of vaccines,
and could we please have a conversation first about how
many fucking side effects there are for the contraceptive pill
for women. The chance of getting a blood clot and
dying is way higher from a pill that women do

(42:49):
not need to take. But because men can't put on
a fucking content, then it's like that's that's a fine risk.
We're okay with that because it's women's bodies. It just
feels like we're so close to getting a right of being, like, hey,
let's let's revamp the FDA, but also go get me
as all secure. Your cancer feels like a bad, bad balance,
And I don't I have hope that I don't think

(43:11):
that stuff would hold weight in the UK, But I
don't know. I don't know if it's getting more prevalent
or people just like, oh come on man.

Speaker 5 (43:19):
It's difficult to say because like when you do see
see it, like I mean, this is massive anti vax
stuff during COVID obviously, yeah yeah, But when you tend
to see it, you tend to seek concentrated in areas
where they're collecting like you know, social media stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (43:35):
What did you when you did you know?

Speaker 5 (43:37):
Working in the industry and whatnot. Did you see people
in comedy and entertainment becoming anti vacs? Did you see
them sort of taking political lines and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (43:46):
I tend to exist in a very very left wing
bubble of a bad part of the you know, liberal
establishment that controlling everything, So we all sort of agreed, yeah, exactly.
So there weren't many people that I encountered who were
There are a couple of people who were like basically
using everyone else as canaries and letting us all do it.

(44:08):
But then also, like I sort of had sympathy at
the time, we were all scared and everyone was like,
I don't know what to do. So I have a
lot of sympathy with people who were scared about it
because basically, my dad's a doctor and does loads of
clinical trials. I rang my dad and was like, Yo,
what do you think, And he was like, it's great.
I get it in me immediately, So I did not

(44:28):
have to think about it because I was like, my
dad has done clinical trials that has revolutionized radiotherapy in
cancers for his whole career. But if you don't have
that and a friend of yours gets vaccinated and something
happens to them afterwards because there are side effects. That's scary.
So there were people who were like skeptical but like

(44:52):
and at the time it was difficult, but for the
most part we A couple of times people would be like, oh,
what I remember getting in a taxi and the driver
being like, what's two big, strong boys like you doing
wearing masks to me and my friend? And we were like,
that might have been a pickup line if we're really honest. Oh, man,

(45:13):
I missed up, maybe accidentally got into one of those
sex taxis. You know, was the bank the bank? No,
not bang bus?

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Was it?

Speaker 4 (45:21):
Oh that's that's quite old. Fuck cab. What's it called
shag shag taxi? It's got to be a name. How
can I not riff the name.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
That reminded me like Russell Brown for some reason, was
praising one of those name Lily James or something. What
about this new phenomenon? These a couple of women, a
Lily Philip.

Speaker 4 (45:43):
That's yeah, yeah. The other was praising her. Yeah, he
had her on. He's recently become Christian. I don't know
whether you've been. Oh yeah, I've been doing a bit
for a while about how he got baptized in the
in the River Thames by Bear Grills.

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Oh god, yeah, like yeah, apparently that's it's vitals written
into the A lot of people don't realize that their
baptisms weren't official because Bear Girls wasn't there.

Speaker 4 (46:11):
And it's just a tragedy, isn't it. Ray Mears was
at mine, which didn't make it, made it not real.
I'm like so close. Yeah, yeah, like he made me
a Buddhist or something.

Speaker 8 (46:20):
I don't know what happened, but yeah, like so what
how did you ever sort of interact with Russell Brando
or you knew people that did?

Speaker 4 (46:31):
No? I knew because I was much younger, and also
I sort of entered the comedy world through a weird route,
so I was like an actor and comedian then a
sketch comedian, and like, I'm not really big on the scene.
I don't really know many people. I knew lots of
people who knew him, and he was just on a
list that most female comedians have of people you have avoid,

(46:54):
and yeah, it was one of those things. It was
just like, yeah, it's he's an abuser, stay away from
that guy. But no, there's no I'd never would have
cross path with him.

Speaker 5 (47:05):
I think people like him is so successful though, because
like you know, it's a normal like you look at
him or Andrew Tay or whatever, you just go like
this is transparently like drifting.

Speaker 4 (47:18):
I think they're charismatic. They haven't accumulated wealth, and there
there is I think, objectively, some level of attraction there.
Like I whether or not you find them attractive, they
are like conventionally I tried to people, good bodies whatever.

(47:39):
I don't know, but I think there's something about the
there's something about the the ambition or the attainment you
want to be like them.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
I don't know what it is.

Speaker 4 (47:51):
I think it's I think it's probably the charisma of
an abuser, right, like of people who are able to
manipulate and be charming. But but yeah, I don't even
I mean, I don't know because it hasn't en captured me.
I think with Russell Brand I thought he was very funny,
very quick, he could articulate himself. He was verbose, and

(48:14):
he was saying things that I will stress this was
when ago, when he was doing well left wing things
like trying to protect people's right to council houses. I
think to me. It was like he felt like a
counterculture person who was within the establishment, being like, hey,

(48:35):
this is fucked up. It's the same reason that I
joined the Labor Party because of Jeremy Corbyn when he
was the leader, because I was like, oh, this guy
seems to be a part of this but is also
trying to speak out against it. Cool, So I think
it's that sort of thing. But then how they then
go off the deepend. Oh well, I guess he was
already off the deep end, but he was finding a

(48:55):
way of maintaining an audience. And it turns out the
way you do that is get a load of people
who will question anything anyone says against you, and then
convert to Christianity. So Jesus has absolved you of your
sins and bear Grills has forgiven you, so you're fine.

Speaker 1 (49:08):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (49:08):
It's grutty though, isn't it. It's just so grutty, like
it's it's as grotty as the Thames is. Yeah. I'd
say they're very much like like cult leaders, that's it, Brent. Yeah, Yeah,
it's very cult leadery and it's like you want to
be part of something like the fact I watched The
Truths I was like, yeah, I'm like I'm doing something
different and that's sort of just for me. And it's

(49:30):
that like parasocial relationship being of listening to a podcast
of being like we're friends, and then you meet them
in real life and you're like, oh god, I don't
know how to behave Now.

Speaker 5 (49:41):
Your video, which briefly discussed it, goes to a whole series.
He's got so many references in there. How did you
how did you sort of get all the touch points
for that together?

Speaker 4 (49:56):
So this is the deep State operative one.

Speaker 1 (49:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (50:00):
So I did this for BBC Radio for a channel
a channel for a show called POV where basically the
producer Ed Morrish, who is a comedy genius and is
like the reason that I work at all. I think
he got me to He basically got a bunch of
people online to do what they do but on the radio,

(50:21):
and so we threw a load of things back and forth,
and his idea was like, how about sort of get
ready with me or something like that. In this it
was his pitch basically, so I sort of I sort
of was like everyone, I'd recently got a load of
anti semitism for saying that basically someone had said that
in the acting world they had to quit acting because

(50:43):
all of the casting calls said Caucasians need not apply,
which is that I've been an active of ten eleven years.
That's never that has never happened. That has never happened.
Maybe for a fello. Even then they'll just say we're
casting this sort of a person occasion has never been
in a casting breakdown, unless it was for the Caucasian

(51:05):
chalk circle. That word has not existed anyway. I tweeted
saying this has never happened, and got a load of
people being like, uh, just being like your Jew, Oh
my god, your Jew. The Cabal of Jews who control
the world clearly have paid for your career. And I
was like, well, if they have, how come they've only
got me two jobs in fucking unknown TV shows. So

(51:26):
I'm gonna have to call them up and be like, listen, lads,
that was good. Yeah, yeah, but I was the form
of the jury in that I got murdered an endeavor,
and you can only get murdered in a TV show once, Neil,
you know that's yeah, no, so that is true. Actually, yeah,
unless you come back as a ghost or an octopus
from a different dimensions, but so that was that was

(51:51):
the first point, was like, well the jokers that they're all.
It was sort of listening to Liz trust as well
of what she talks about the blob and the deep State.
I was like, well, what what do what do people
think I do? And there was a load of a
load of stuff that was cut and there's there's the video,
but there's more stuff in the radio one as well.
There was all like so wake up and have a

(52:11):
fight to estrogen rich coffee. It was basically just going
through a day in the life and then being like,
well what would happen at each point? First I wake
up very jewishly was the first line I think.

Speaker 5 (52:19):
I wrote, Yes, I need to, I do need to
as something though, what on earth is Lucy and Jack Dungay.

Speaker 4 (52:28):
Lucy and Yak is this like? I think a relatively
small independent company from Brighton. I think that made its
really cool, very nice dungarees and jumpsuits and stuff. And
my wife bought them very early on. She got like
advertised on Instagram, bought one of them, and then by
like twenty twenty four, if you go in if you

(52:49):
work in the art or work in the theater or
a comedy club. If you don't see someone wearing Lucy
and Yak that day, that's weird. That is weird. They
do really nice like yeah, really nice dungerees, jumpsuits, all
this kind of thing, and I was just trying to
think of what is the most what's the most like

(53:12):
left wing sort of tofu eating pathetic thing that I
could wear, and a sort of a bait of male
wearing some dungarees from a lovely shop in Brighton. I
was like, that's spot on, but I don't actually have
any dungries. I bought them and they didn't fit so
some back, so I had to get my my wife's
jumpsuit and then I put my This is so boring,

(53:32):
but I put my jacket over the label to film
that shot. So I'm not actually wearing Lucy and yakanal videos.
So apologies to Lucy and Yac for that. Oh nice.

Speaker 5 (53:41):
And yeah, Matt, let's you say he catches some flag.

Speaker 4 (53:45):
Yeah, it does, it does, because he at one point
said that the government controlled the weather. Yeah, because we
can we can do little cloud things, we can make,
we can change clouds. Cool, but he'd said, I think
I found him through Joey Barton, who, through a very
weird turn of advice, he started following me on Twitter.
At one point, at least he's following on Twitter. He's

(54:08):
not following me down a dark alleyway. Well I'm not
a woman, so I'd be all right. Yeah, but he
I've done a thing. When Richie Soon acted that great
GB News People's forum that was a real ship show,
I did a like the guy who directed that, and
I re released it and Joey Barton retweeted it with
a laughy face, and I was I was at the

(54:29):
pub with some friends. I just opened my Twitter and
I just went, oh no. It was the same the
same week that James Cleverly followed me on Twitter, and
I was like, have I started doing right wing? What's happened?
What's happened?

Speaker 3 (54:45):
What's your weirdest one? My weirdest one is Ian Miles
Charm What on earth follow you? When I did the
nine to eleven post about it not being an inside job,
he started following me and liked that post, so he
must not be a nine to eleven trutherer.

Speaker 4 (55:04):
But I was like, yeah, yeah, weirdest. I think Cleverly
was the weirdest because he followed me when he was
in office, and I was like, what on earth, Like
he clearly has I I don't remember what it was
that he followed me for. I can't remember what it
was that he followed me for. I must go back

(55:25):
and look.

Speaker 1 (55:25):
But it was so weird.

Speaker 4 (55:27):
That was the weirdest one.

Speaker 5 (55:30):
I think Joey Barton might be trying to cause play
Sean Penn and that's why it looks.

Speaker 4 (55:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (55:37):
I think that's why he's got his hair like it is.
And I think that's why he's acting like it is.
Either that or he's just an incredibly unpleasant man. So
who can say it's one or the other, isn't it?

Speaker 4 (55:48):
Yeah? Possibly had said he'd said that in the lockdown
the government made the weather really nice, yeah, which I
was like, well yeah, And I was like that I
really wanted to ask him, but I don't. He doesn't
follow me. I was like, but surely they would have
made it horrible to keep us inside. I didn't quite

(56:10):
follow the logic of like, they made it good so
we had places to go.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
But there is a different reason why the weather is
a bit nicer. Well, because there was no chemtrails there
was no contrail.

Speaker 4 (56:23):
Here we go woke nonsense again.

Speaker 5 (56:28):
So yeah, totally did you Did you ever come across
David Ike in your travels and research and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Yeah, I have done, and I he's one of those
people I try not to like look at at all
because I think I think you lose. I think he
does suck brain cells out of people just by like
he's like a little brain cell magnet, but he doesn't
gain anymore. Yeah, but I don't. I've not really interacted
with him or like, I've not done anything on him.

(56:58):
Why do you ask, But just.

Speaker 5 (57:00):
Because he's just prominent and he's like what's interesting is
a lot of the stuff that came out from people
like Jones and David Ike, it's fed into low level
people like Russell Brand and stuff like that. But it's
also it's infecting politics, Like you know, you've got Celia
Bratherman talking about intimating the great replacement theory and things
like this, and Donald Trump. I mean, christ, what's interesting

(57:26):
is that there's very possibly a real sort of conspiracy
that's going off with the sort of Russian influence over
Donald Trump. Like, yeah, people don't want to touch that
because with bizarrely within the conspiracy world, aside from David Ike,
because he's just got to be contrary to everybody.

Speaker 4 (57:43):
They like Putine and they like Trump. It's bizarre, isn't it,
Because there's the theory that he, like Putin, has some
sort of comprom ount on Trump. But I genuinely don't
think there's anything he could have that would damage Trump.
I can't think of a single thing that wouldn't be
passed off as a deep fake not true fake news,

(58:05):
Like I don't think. I don't think there's any stop
in him.

Speaker 1 (58:08):
Man.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
People don't believe it, did they anyway? You know, he's
essentially been found to have raped at least one woman
and people just don't care, Like they either don't.

Speaker 4 (58:18):
Care or or they don't believe it or one of
the people that was mostly sort of like.

Speaker 5 (58:26):
Being really really like horried about Genie Carroll on Twitter,
A bitch is lying blah blah blah blah with Janita Broadwick,
who accused and then she accused Bill Clinton of raping
her and then recounted it and then changed her mind
and then changed the mind again, and then changed the
wine again. And she's like a sort of figure within
the right wing at the minute. It's very gratty, right.

(58:49):
But yeah, so how do you see the future for
politics in the UK and America?

Speaker 4 (58:58):
I don't know, man, I think that is something that
I find it very hard to predict or no, because
I'm not good with patterns or trends. I my sort
of layman's terms guesswork would be that I don't think
that labor are currently putting enough of an alternative up
to people who are sick of the system that exists.

(59:21):
And it makes you like, there was the I listened
to the Politics Joe podcast a lot, obviously, and they're
saying that, you know, they went to the Reform roundy
met a lot of people who used to vote Corbyn
who now are voting for Arch What. Yeah, yeah, have
you not heard this? There's a big no group of
there's a bit a big there's a significant proportion of
the people they spoke to, significant and significant enough to

(59:46):
make it interesting of people who were big fans of
Corbyn and now going to Reform. And they're sort of
I think they're understanding or they're like, I don't know,
they're reasoning or trying to deduce it is that there
was this big alternative offered. There's no alternative to the

(01:00:06):
system at the moment, and Farage pedals this idea that
he is an alternative, he's a new thing, even though
he's not. He's part of the establishment, right, we know that,
But yeah, I don't. I don't know. But that scares
me a lot. That doesn't make any sense. Like one
word for you, Neil, populism. Yeah, that's the key, because

(01:00:28):
that's what would make me back in the day, like
support terrible people or good people if they were they
had that populist message of there's this elite that's trying
to keep us all down and that's what he does.

Speaker 3 (01:00:40):
And the left wing doesn't really have that. Our left
wing over here is Starmar like, that's not left wing.
Left wing in America is Biden like, that's not that's
not left wing. They never have that populist message either,
you know. But the right wing people do, the far
right wing people do. For Raj does.

Speaker 4 (01:01:00):
That's what's appealing to some people, the people that could
have been swayed by some of KORbin stuff. Like that's
why I got into the Corbin stuff in the beginning
as well, because it appealed to my populist conspiracy belief system.

Speaker 5 (01:01:13):
But shurely the thing is like Corbin's policies or at
least a you know, magic Grandpa blah blah blah. It
was all inclusive and like you know, everyone's including.

Speaker 4 (01:01:24):
I still think he was.

Speaker 3 (01:01:25):
His policies were great, and I still think like socialist
left wing policies are the way forward for us.

Speaker 5 (01:01:32):
Well, what I was saying it is like, but then
far As is very exclusatory in as much as like,
you know, blaming immigrants and general foreigners and Islam and
stuff like that, which was sort of anathema to the
conspiracy world. But even when as I'm saying that loud,
I'm thinking of at least three people on my timeline
that used to be very very left wing that.

Speaker 4 (01:01:53):
Now well, I'm not saying I'm far right, but you know,
I hate immigrants and anybody who not like yeah, because
and it's awful because it's it's using the sort of
malaise of like we're just sick of of like politicians.
I think that the number of working class politicians in

(01:02:16):
the House of Commons is staggeringly low. I think it's
a seven percent, But I don't know what it is,
but they don't represent people. And Farage I think Farage
is lying. I think he is lying to you if
you're listening to this, being like, now he speaks to
the people, he fucking doesn't. He speaks to himself. He's
trying to make money, He's not. He doesn't care about people,
I don't think. But then when when the response to

(01:02:37):
Farage's hard line anti immigration stuff is to then make
videos of you tackling asylum seekers and taking people and
trying to deport them and stuff, I think you need to.
I think the current establishment as in the government are
being like, we'll try and like sort of be in

(01:02:58):
the middle and get as much of the middle as
we can, whereas if they were like, no, go fuck yourself.
This is like, obviously we need to work out an
immigration policy. We need to work on immigration, but we
need to do that. But this sort of rhetoric can
go die in a hole. And because there's not that
like ballast against it, then these ideas just keep and
because it sells papers, then more and more people can

(01:03:19):
be like, oh, maybe there is something to this guy,
because he's he's the only one saying something different. And
obviously the Green Party is saying something different. The Lib
Dems are saying something different, but they just don't get
the same airtime.

Speaker 5 (01:03:29):
It's it's interesting if you've been following what's been going
on recently with like Rupert Low and Elon Musk and yeah, like.

Speaker 4 (01:03:38):
The one nice thing is that they seem to be
splintering a bit because these people like they they have
such an ego that it's like that they they can't
they're fracturing and they only really can exist in opposition.
I hope that's slightly frightening.

Speaker 5 (01:03:53):
Thing that I've seen is in the comments and stuff
like that, where like some people are trying to say, look,
the long shot is like I just said, look, we
can't just do mass deportations, so we've got to give
at least the air of respectability and that The finding
thing that I see is in the comments on Twitter
and stuff like that. It's like, no, that's not what
we want.

Speaker 4 (01:04:12):
Send them all back like and.

Speaker 5 (01:04:15):
It's just like christ like this is when Nigel Farage
isn't racist enough.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
For you what the hell was going on? But I
think he's he's playing a clever game because like him
distancing himself from Tommy Tommy Robinson because he just knows
that doesn't fly with with people in the UK because
we're too we're too diverse population and too like I
think we're too smart for the sort of americanized.

Speaker 1 (01:04:43):
Ship.

Speaker 4 (01:04:43):
No, that's not fair that we're not too smart saying
Americans are stupid. I hate that the most hack sort
of thing. We're actually quite clever. We're shut up with.
I disagree with myself there, but I think I think
it right wing politics just doesn't play hard. Right politics
doesn't seem to play as as mainstream. Like if he

(01:05:05):
were to go out and say and endorse Tommy Robinson,
I think it would really damage his sort of the
people who've defected from the Tories to vote reformat, I
think they'd be like, oh, that's a bit much for me.

Speaker 5 (01:05:14):
Actually, it is this fine line that they play with,
the sort of the facade of respectability and like, so
you know what's going to happen. Like it's interesting is
that that facade seems to have fallen, particularly in America
at the minute.

Speaker 4 (01:05:33):
Like memory, I don't, I don't, I don't understand, And
is it just being further away from where the Holocaust happened?
Is that is that all it is that like you,
I don't, I don't get it, like the idea of
doing a fucking Nazi salute. It's like, I know it's

(01:05:54):
preaching very much to the choir here, but like, are
you joking? Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:06:00):
What really annoyed me about it was how million miles
a lot of people were like people trying to defend him,
like the people like Joe Rogan defended him, Appears Morgan
defended him, all of GV News defended him obviously, and
it's like it was it's crazy. There was essentially people
on CNN were defending him, and then the reporter said

(01:06:20):
to another one, it's just well, could you just shows
exactly what he did?

Speaker 4 (01:06:24):
And can you believe that they refuse to do it?
That's I think that's such a good, such a good
way of airing that debate, Like we'll do it. Then
if it wasn't one, do it do exactly what he did.
And then it's like oh no, no, no, no. The
sponsor that is like, well, I don't want it to
be misinterpreted as one. Well, then well that's the that's

(01:06:47):
the point. Yeah, exactly.

Speaker 5 (01:06:49):
This this is the thing is it is crazy, but
it's really crazy, just in general, like he loved Mosk
the fucking hell.

Speaker 4 (01:06:59):
I think I think when when you have when you
have all that money and all that power and influence,
I think you just are like he's he's a little
kid whose playground is our lives, and he's just like
instead of pressing buttons on like you know, a fake
car and driving it, he's he's just like, I'll endorse
the a f D and see what happens and see

(01:07:21):
like how much influence I can have and how much
I can change just by fucking around, because like he
has no worlds left to conquer.

Speaker 5 (01:07:29):
Obviously we're all speculating and stuff like that, but do
you think like he's sort of like he's leaning is
towards fascism. Do you think they are trolling? Do you
think they're genuine?

Speaker 1 (01:07:40):
What do you reckon?

Speaker 4 (01:07:42):
I don't know. He's big into like repopulating the earth,
isn't he he wants everyone to have babies, But he
seems to actually engage in sex. Yeah, I don't. I
don't know, and I don't care. I think it doesn't
really matter, does it, Like it doesn't matter, like, oh,

(01:08:02):
it's the guy in the SS uniform really into the
Nazis or is he just messing with us? He's wearing
the uniform, lads, that's that seeumsed to be the most
important thing.

Speaker 5 (01:08:11):
Even Keith Moon couldn't get away with wearing an SS uniform.
He got the shit kicked out of him, apparently Seth. Yeah,
he would for it to a restaurant once.

Speaker 3 (01:08:22):
As we're talking about Elon, you were making lots of
videos on Twitter and getting quite a good reach.

Speaker 4 (01:08:28):
Did you see like your reach go down? Considering like, oh,
I'm finally talking about this. I think that this is
the biggest conspiracy theory, is that Elon Musk bought Twitter
to fuck me over. I think that's what happened. I yeah,
I really like I used to have I had like
fifty five sixty thousand followers on Twitter, which wasn't huge,

(01:08:49):
but I built it up over like three or four years.
And I used to have lots of journalists follow me
and you know, incredible people like Jerry Barton following me.
So I had like and as we first encountered each other,
wasn't it, Brent? Like?

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (01:09:03):
And it died, it died I after he took over it,
it started to go south. And then I paid for
the Twitter premium thing for a couple of months, just
before Elon got really into the old And it was
when I was doing my Edinburgh show in August twenty
twenty four, and I in the show, I'd say I

(01:09:25):
have recently started I admitted to biting my toenails and
eating them, and then I said that I've started to
pay for Twitter, and people hated that more well, I
think they probably that shows an incredible degree of flexibility.
I don't think I'm a very flexible boiler. Look, here

(01:09:46):
we go, that's justishing. I just licked my toe for
anyone who's listening. I've been wearing those socks around the
house all day, so I shouldn't have done that, but
I was showing off. It's funny how throughout the month
that line went from a groan like me paying for Twitter,
to people genuinely being upset that I was paying for Twitter.

(01:10:07):
Really yeah, yeah, it was funny. It was like, it's fascinating,
but it completely fucked me over. And like a lot
of my powers who I met through Twitter on who
do satire and stuff, it really really changed it because
so many journalists and so many people left and so
many people who like in my demographic of people who

(01:10:28):
would like my stuff left and also the like nasty
comments got more and now like, as a cis white dude,
I don't receive very many at all, but it definitely increased.
And now I just don't bother man and it's really
it to be quite boring about it. It was like, oh,
that was my sort of usp and my niche and
that disappeared and now I'm like trying to do it

(01:10:51):
on Instagram. But the growth is just so much slower,
I think because everybody's left, And yeah, it really affected things.

Speaker 3 (01:10:59):
You perfectly brought me to the second part of my question,
and that was how welcome the hate and the trolls
on Twitter? Like, obviously I get a lot a lot
of our followers are out there who also try and
combat disinformation and they get hate all day, Like, how
do you deal with the trolls? And more importantly, on

(01:11:20):
a mental health kind of level, how do you deal
with constant abuse?

Speaker 4 (01:11:24):
I don't think I get constant abuse, So that's the
first thing I just don't and that's very shere lucky
and privileged.

Speaker 1 (01:11:34):
Yah.

Speaker 4 (01:11:35):
Yeah, this is a call to arms. If everyone who
listens could start, you know, downvoting everything I do. No,
I don't, and I would get comments I think, you know,
existing in the circles of like conspiracy theorists and stuff.
And I've only tended to go still. I've only tended
to get stuff when I go after people like Andrew
Tate or Russell Brand and mostly they just tell me

(01:11:57):
to get a hair transplant, which is hilarious because I'm like.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
Sorry, sorry, say that again. The followers of Andrew Tate say.

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
What they're like. They're like, because I have, like, you know,
a receding hairline, and I've taken my hat off, so
I think it looks slightly more pronounced here, but like
it's an amazing It's sort of they seem to be
for gender affirming surgery. It's very nice. They're like, you know,
this guy needs to look more like the man he
really is. Yeah, and Jordan Peterson and stuff, and to

(01:12:24):
make fun of him. I think they associate it with
I was just making fun. You pick something to make
fun of someone's looks. Yeah, I'm not saying I have
no other flaws, but I'm a pretty good looking guy.
Folks don't google me, and so yeah, I don't really
get that much, Hay, and I think that is definitely
due to the fact that I am in the bracket
of white cis straight guy like I'm just it just

(01:12:46):
makes it easier. If you're a woman on the Internet
and you post anything, someone will be there to say
you're ugly, you should die, or you're heart and you
should die. And any sort of marginalized demographic is it's
way worse. And I think I have had hate online
and the the truth is is scary and horrible, and

(01:13:07):
I think if you ever experienced that, you've got to
acknowledge that it is scary and horrible. Nish Kumar has
a really great stand up special with I can't quite
remember the name of I remember it by the end
of this, but it's all about when he had he
did the Lord Taverna's charity ball and got bread rolls

(01:13:29):
thrown at him and then got a load of death
threats and basically ended up gotting diagnosed with PTSD because
of it. And it does an amazing talk about it,
but it was he makes the joke that he got
a bread roll thrown at him and got PTSD. Obviously
that's not what happened. He got a load of death
threats and believed does death threats. So the act of

(01:13:51):
believing the things that people say makes it scary and
painful and difficult mental health wise. So you have to
try and not believe them. You have to tell yourself
that the people that are writing that are not people
you value the opinion of in any way, So why
give them any sort of weight and just block and
delete and turn comments off if you want to, Like,

(01:14:15):
I think that's all fair, and I think you just
got to be kind to yourself because it's horrible, and
I think I'm pretty good at separating myself from it,
and depending on the subject matter, I now have bolstered
myself to be like, ah, this is quite funny. Like
the Radio four thing, the deep State operative one that

(01:14:36):
has a bunch of people being like, why didn't you
say anything about the BBC protecting pedos. You'll always get that.
People will be like, you're a shill, You're a paid shill,
and so I often just don't if you don't feed
that stuff, I mean you also just don't read them,
So that's I think. Also, you have to try and
think of social media as a tool to use rather

(01:14:59):
than for you to be used by. But I think
fundamentally it's hard and it's scary and it's not nice.
But if you if you widhe around in these waters,
it's just going to happen in it. Like if you're
kicking the Russell Brand hornet's nest, you're gonna get bitten
by some people who are like, he's just telling the truth.
The worst things have happened to people around Russell Brand,

(01:15:20):
you know exactly, So a little comment telling me to
get a hair transplant is sort of fine.

Speaker 5 (01:15:26):
Actually, as a comedian, do you not get the temptation
to treat all of this as like heckles and try
and respond big time.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
Often I'll screenshot them and then make a comment about
them elsewhere. But I don't want to give them air.
That's the thing, isn't it, Like I want to use
it for my own gain. The worst thing you can did.

Speaker 5 (01:15:46):
To somebody that's insulting you're trying to troll your online
is just block them, because that just cuts their oxygen off.

Speaker 4 (01:15:52):
You know, they'll they'll then rant and raves. Oh see
I want it, but like, but but you have a
woe you've essentially taken away. Yeah, the guy that I
miss most on Twitter is a guy called Patrick who
followed me because he thinks I am Simon Sebag Montafury
now Simon Seabag Mount of Fury is a historian, a writer.
He's fifty three fifty four. He's a very successful, very

(01:16:15):
well known BBC presenter. He's very distantly related to me. Yeh,
but this guy Patrick commented on one of my videos
that I did where it pretended to be one of
those horses that ran through London. So I poured ketchup
all over myself and pretended to be a horse, and
he commented saying, not funny, mates, stick to the day job,
and I replied being like, this is my day job,

(01:16:36):
this is And then I went on his profile and
found out he followed me, so I was like, why
even following me? Patrick, And he was like, I started
following you when you wrote a book about Helen of
Troy or whatever. And he just listed all of Simon
Sebag one of Fury his accolades and was like, okay
to see you do this talk and you were great
at that stand up comedy clearly isn't your thing. And
every so often he still will comment on Twitter being

(01:16:58):
like the you've changed man, and I just I think
it's so funny that he thinks Simon sebag Mont of
Fury has pivoted from writing an autobiography of humanity to
them just doing you know, day in the life of
a deep state operative.

Speaker 5 (01:17:16):
I always got preestive for quite a long time by
somebody who got in touch with me and like shouting
at me, berating me about how crap my Paul McCartney
is dead. Material was, and I was like, I've never
spoken about Paul McCartney.

Speaker 4 (01:17:28):
I don't know what's the fucking health. I think he
got me confused with some other white English guy and
and that was it. And it was like you think
you were Ringo star.

Speaker 5 (01:17:37):
Yeah, potentially, yeah, he might have done like going around.
That happens quite a lot. What do you got, Well,
we're going to the Pipeline comedy wise, Well nothing, No, absolutely,
Edinburgh gone.

Speaker 4 (01:17:54):
No, I'm not doing Edinburg this year. It's changed a
lot as a festival and it's like, I it's an
amazing place and I love it. It's very expensive and
I had a really great time in twenty twenty four.
But I just was like, I don't it didn't feel
right to do it again this time. It's also my
first year as being a married boy, and so we

(01:18:16):
need to do a honeymoon we haven't done yet, so
I think we're just gonna enjoy being first year off
being married. So yeah, not doing Edinburgh this year. I'm
doing a couple of gigs and that's about it. It's
a really weird time for the industry. It's like there's
no jobs. You've got to make your own work. But
you just made all this work on Twitter and now
Twitter's dead, so better move to another social media owned

(01:18:37):
by a different billionaire and hope to god they don't
turn out to be a nazier as well. Yeah, it's
like you've go on th Instagram, so that's meta. I
know it's not great, is it. Unfortunately Blue Sky is
just populated with dweebs and I'm one of them. Don't
get me wrong. Oh I'm such a little little deweb.

(01:18:57):
But some of the comments you get on there, Like
I went to Leel the other day. I took a
picture of a hotel that was called a Hotel cock
Hardy and I said, oh, I didn't realize your mum
at a hotel classic comedy stuff. Someone replied, went, no,
your mom, what is that? What your mom did? My

(01:19:18):
big question because there's blue sky? Did you put op
text in? And if you didn't, did someone have a
go at you for it? No? I didn't and they didn't.
And that's the first. That is an absolute first happens
to be. So you get the picture, you post a picture,
and you're supposed to put a description in of the
picture too. I don't know, can't see in low light

(01:19:42):
or something, And anytime I post a picture sometimes I can't.
I can't think of the opt text for it, you know,
So I just post it. And every time I do that,
someone comes on has a me or they have a
go me for having like AI cartoon uns for our artwork.

Speaker 5 (01:20:02):
Yeah, because AI is like, look at it over really
be cruel or something like. But what's the point of
saying that this picture is read? To describe it to
a blind person?

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
They don't know what fucking your head is? I don't.

Speaker 5 (01:20:12):
I'm not being horrible, right, but but I think that's
maybe being a little bit oversensitive.

Speaker 4 (01:20:18):
But hey, ho, you know it is what it is.
Are you going to continue the weekly shit? I think
that was really good I really wanted to. I actually,
I this is so boring. But because I went to France,
I didn't realize how quick the Eurostar is. Guys. It's
so fast. And my plan was to film because I've
been doing this trying to do a weekly then us

(01:20:39):
a ship where I do the news from the toilet.
So I was going to film it in the toilet
of the Eurostar, but my my light broke and then
and then I was going to do it whilst I
was in the hotel in France. Then they got an
audition for an Andrex commercial which was about Pooh, so
I was like, we'll have to do that. So I
just ran out of time. It's hard to do things weekly,

(01:21:00):
you know, especially when I'm responding to things as they go.
But I will endeavor to do more than news as
shit with me on a toilet, Yeah, I think, Yeah,
a great, great series idea. It'd be funny if I
only did one though, wouldn't that be funny? I called
it episode one and that was on a Friday.

Speaker 5 (01:21:21):
Well, this the weighing up, isn't it? Like you know,
it would be a shame. But on the other hand,
it does make it quite special. Like the Lars album
because it's just one off.

Speaker 4 (01:21:31):
It's also like, well, I think it looks great and
I had a lot of fun making it. I think
it's great, But there is something quite humbling about dragging
an extension cord into your toilet and saying to your
saying to your wife, I'm just going to go do
the thing. Also, my toilet seat is actually broken, so
I had fallen off for the thing. Are you just

(01:21:52):
sitting there with a light filming yourself? And then also
I did a huge I did whilst I was doing
because I was sitting on the toilet. I did a
huge fart whilst I was going to the whilst I
was doing the thing. And then I was like, because
I swear in it, I was like, I'll bleep out
the swearing with that far, I'll take that sound. And
I did it, and it was so disgusting that I
couldn't bring myself to put it in. Do you like

(01:22:17):
film and edit like all your own stuff or do
you have anyone else here? No, it's all it's all
on my own, and it's a weird. It is a
weird part of the world, like the acting and comedy
world that pre pandemic was so social going out to
do stuff, and obviously gigs are still social, but like,
so much time is spent on your own looking at
your own face, writing your own thing, editing it. So

(01:22:40):
I do the whole thing myself, and I've got I
just spent so long putting the captions on because I
hate when captions don't when captions when you read the
joke before the joke has said, I hate that so much. Yeah, so, yeah,
I do it all myself. And let me tell you,
I love talking about making the videos, but no one
else finds it interesting. Well I did, I do amazing

(01:23:02):
than we obviously have to make content for the podcast
as well, and instead of looking at us, I have
to listen to our voices all the time. And yeah
that so yeah, so that's a question for me. Fuck them.
Have you have you noticed any like verbal tics that
you have that really annoy you or like when you're
like that winds me up when I no, I just

(01:23:25):
take very long gaps between what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (01:23:33):
On the other hand, that does you know that that
ups our revenue on Spotify if we can drag out
so you know the method to.

Speaker 4 (01:23:43):
You get mid roll ads in the middle of a sentence. Yeah, personally,
but do we have a just take it off and
be too swear the new stuff that we do. I
think because we say the word twats within the first
twenty seconds. It's the title.

Speaker 5 (01:24:03):
Yeah, yeah, it's either that or it's the it's the
Vatican not wanting the truth to get out.

Speaker 4 (01:24:12):
It's one of the two. I think. I think that's
ripe time. I think they should make it, you know,
Dope Sick the show. I think they should really make
They should make a show called God Album. They should
make it. No, it's a it's a show that was
all about fentanyl or was it? Oh right and the Yeah,

(01:24:35):
yeah exactly. The Sackler family did that. Yeah, this is
not worth the set needed. But I want to make
a show called Pope Sick. I think that'd be great,
just now that when the pope's not very well. I
think I think that would sell a lot of numbers.

Speaker 5 (01:24:49):
You know, a sickly yellow smoke comes out of the furnaces,
you are right, yeah, yeah, and he just sneezes.

Speaker 4 (01:25:01):
Smoking nicotine to try and cure. Absolutely, yeah, yeah, totally, absolutely,
it's brilliant. I'm very conscious that we've had you for
an hour and a half. Well yeah, god, that's yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:25:15):
There, Well, time flies when you're having fun and it
has been an absolute pleasure.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
But is there anything you want to promote or let
let people know about. Yeah, I guess if you want
to listen to another podcast that's too long, you can
listen to my podcast Legitimate Likes. Which have you listened
to it? Oh?

Speaker 5 (01:25:32):
Yeah, I've listened to it if you. I love the
fact that you just picked the most random topics like
Willy Wonka or home alone and then just shoot the
ship about that for like, Yeah, it's like it's as
like I really really like it.

Speaker 4 (01:25:44):
It was. It was started by the producer Mike Cohurst
Hugh and producer Michael We're like, we'll get people on
to talk about things that they're you know, that they
like and work out whether they're legitimate likes. But it
quickly descended into just getting people on to talk about
something that they don't usually get to talk about. And
so yeah, we have done everything from like the concept
of friendship to we've done an episode on conspiracy theories.

(01:26:07):
Actually m that one. Yeah, we said they were not
I legitimate, like they're not good. So it's kind of
like a room one oh one sort of thing, like
if we don't like the thing, it gets removed from
the world. But yeah, I think it's a fun podcast.
It's our first season was one hundred and sixty episodes long,
and our second one was seven episodes long because we

(01:26:27):
started releasing weekly and then we were like we should
do seasons about three years in. Yeah, we've got great guests.
We've got some really good comedians, and we've had Max
Fosh the YouTuber. We've had Sus Kempner the comedian, Oh Sus. Yeah,
we've had I've that list has ended quicker than I thought,
but I've forgotten everyone has come on. So but yeah,

(01:26:48):
no can very much recommend it. It's excellent. Thanks Neil. No.

Speaker 3 (01:26:53):
And and you said that's coming from Neil, who only
listens to one other podcasts too, what's.

Speaker 5 (01:27:00):
The one on the podcast Knowledge Fight. I've started listening
to Behind the Bastards as well. I can't cope with
like more than one thing going on, Like to me,
I know this isn't normal, but listening to two different
podcasts to me is like reading two books at the
same time. I'm like the bloody I was going like
I'm getting us with the two.

Speaker 4 (01:27:20):
Not do that. People who do that are completely anathematomy.
That is unbelievable. Two books saying that, but I've got
three books on the go.

Speaker 1 (01:27:28):
A minute.

Speaker 4 (01:27:35):
The most insane thing has ever happened. You just you
just said you can't listen to two podcasts, which is
so much easier to separate. Then you said it's like
people who read two books, and then said you're reading three,
as if, as if beyond two is fine. I felt
it falling apart even as I was saying it. I

(01:27:58):
would have kept that. I would have kept that last
fact in my head personally. What are the three books
that you're reading? Your Blood, Meridian and Women by Charles Berkowski.

Speaker 9 (01:28:10):
Yeah, how far into them are I'm about halfway through
all of them, and Ship and I've got to pick
up that one about Blitzed.

Speaker 4 (01:28:23):
I need to pick that one up again. I'm halfway
through blitz so technically four, although I was reading that
like ages ago. So I think you should just keep
picking up more books and never finish them. Minimizes each time.
So when each one do you read one? Fancy? Okay?

(01:28:44):
Like three by the bed? Read a line, read a line,
read a line. No, In fact, they're all in a
different room. But you know, should I hold off and
sending you the Germs book? Then? Oh no, I was
not that. Yeah. Lovely stuff, yeah cracking, Oh yeah yeah,

(01:29:10):
thanks very much for having me. Guys. That's the best
ending to a podcast I've ever heard. Yes, yeah, tell
everyone where to follow you me at w C, BAG,
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