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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So their Call It Conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to the sum of Their Call It Conspiracy podcast,
hosted by Brentley and Neil Sanders. After nearly twenty years
exploring the world of conspiracy culture, we are taking our
guests and listeners on a guided tour of the rabbit hole,
our mission to discover where the truth lies. Well, I

(00:44):
guess welcome back to some of their called conspiracy listeners.

Speaker 3 (00:48):
Yes, we're back.

Speaker 4 (00:48):
We've been on an extended hiatus for reasons and things
and stuff. So sorry we've not been flowing around, but
we have got a genuine excuse, have we not. Like
it's not like one of those like the dog at
my homework or things like that.

Speaker 3 (01:04):
There were there were genuine reasons. We weren't just being
lazy though, you know, that's not beyond although I was
led up for most of it.

Speaker 4 (01:14):
So yeah, yeah, actually, yeah, to be fair, actually I'm
i'm I'm I'm lying there.

Speaker 3 (01:18):
So we've been very lazy itally, Yeah, you've got let
up too, well sat up.

Speaker 4 (01:24):
Yeah, No, I was all right. So but like I've
had a bad bit of a bad back and broken
feet and things like that this year, so like, you know,
that's that's but but that's that pales in comparison to you,
I'm afraid, doesn't it.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
So let's let's just go back.

Speaker 4 (01:38):
So I was sat here one was it a Thursday.
I think it was a Thursday evening, perfectly happy, just
minding my own business, probably watching some obscure seventies film,
and I get a text from Brent. I think, oh,
this is nice. My friend Brent's textively, this would be
lovely that I'll just round off the even nicely. And

(01:59):
the text said something along the lines of being rushed
into emergency surgery, homemade see you on the other side,
or something like that, and I thought, I thought, oh, yeah, right,
that's that's not normal. So obviously I tried to phone
and no dice because well, it turns out that the

(02:23):
text was accurate.

Speaker 3 (02:24):
So then I went on to.

Speaker 4 (02:27):
Onto Twitter just to see what was floating around, and
lo and behold, Brent had put out the ominous tweet
if I don't make it, I love you all. And
at this point I started to think, oh, maybe something's wrong.

Speaker 3 (02:44):
I really need to add a little bit of context here.
I was high as a kite at that point, and
I don't even remember sending any text to you or
tweeting anything.

Speaker 5 (02:54):
I was.

Speaker 3 (02:56):
Very very very hi and Morphine at that time.

Speaker 4 (03:00):
But we're yeah, this is a standard Thursday night. Then
on Morphine tweeting out crazy shit. So anyway, I sort
of like, so I thought, hang on, this is a bit,
this is an ideal, but I'm sure everything will work

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itself out. And I sort of like went to bed
bit sort of concerned and whatnot. And I woke up
quite early on the Friday morning, which is a bit
unusual for me, and I thought, oh, thank Christ for that.
I've got a miscall from Brent is evidently okay. So
her phone bent back immediately and some woman answered, and

(03:45):
I went I thought, my brain went, ah, shit, this
is the nurse about to tell me that Brent is
dead because she's looked in his phone and seeing that
I'm the last person that's texted then, so he's trying
desperately to find out who the hell this person is.

Speaker 5 (04:00):
Luckily it wasn't.

Speaker 4 (04:01):
It was your mom, and your mum's a lovely lady.
By the way, Hello to your mom, if she's listening,
And she explained what had happened that she'd very luckily
been around to your flat for a cup of tea,
which I understood was not like a sort of like
it's not like a normal regular thing or like you know.

Speaker 3 (04:20):
A weekly thing, but just odd days and different different
days in the week basically.

Speaker 4 (04:27):
So it's not like a regular Thursday night thing. No, right,
So and she explained what had happened, and this is
where we're turned over to Brent. So, Brent, your mom
turns up on the Thursday night and for a cup
of tea, and you thought that's just a bit boring.

Speaker 3 (04:48):
It, like, let's let's let's let's uh, let's up the
ante a bit. And what happened, mate? Ah, Well, so
it was like ten ten minutes or six, and my
mom turned up, and I was feeling a bit a
bit ill, like my stomach was hurting, and it just

(05:08):
like it came on like pretty suddenly, like five minutes
or so before she got there, and as like I
kind of turned the kettle on. I said that I
felt like I was going to be sick. So, you know,
I asked, Mom, can you make the tea? And I'm
gonna I think I'm gonna go be sick. So I
went into the bathroom. I heaved once and it hurt

(05:34):
quite a lot. And then I heaved a second time
and I felt the worst fucking pain I've ever felt
in my life, like a knife had just gone straight
into my abdomen and I fell down. I collapsed in
the bathroom and just started screaming. Nice my I'm obviously

(06:00):
freaked out. She was like banging on the door, tell
me I couldn't it. I had locked the door, so
so just to explain, so you'd collapse screaming inside, locked
the bathroom when your mum was outside, not entirely understanding
what was happening. No, So I managed to like reach
up because bathroom small and I'm massive, and I unlocked

(06:26):
the door. She came, she came in, saw me on
the floor. I was like, what's wrong? I said, I
don't know, and was just kind of shouting like I
don't fucking know it. It hurts, it hurts, and yeah.
So she called the ambulance and like within seven minutes
they were there. The first responder was there on a motorcycle,

(06:51):
m you know, and he was there seven minutes. Basically
it took for someone to start seeing me. But by
that time, like I was drenched in sweat, I was shaking.
I felt so cold, and I felt like my torso,
my entire torso was on fire. It just all hurts,

(07:13):
so from my chest to my abdomen everything. So when
the paramedic came and he's like, what's going on, I
was like, it hurts, my chest hurts, my stomach hurts,
it's it's everything. And he was like, where's the pain
really hurt? And I'm like, it's everywhere. I was like,
even my shoulder. And it turned out because I collapsed,
you know, I hurt my shoulder. Oh you you bruised
your shoulders. Just hit my shoulder falling down and kind

(07:36):
of like hurt my hurt my chest as well. Oh shit,
And so he's kind of trying to check me over,
but I'm just I'm just in the fetal position, just
like screaming because it just hurts so much. So you're
gone full yo coo at this point though, mate. So

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the other paramedics turned up with the ambulance and they're
just trying to like calm me down and trying to
figure out like what's going on. Yeah, because they're testing
my heart and my heart's racing like a motherfucker. Yeah,
but there's this they were like, concentrate really hard and
tell me where the pain really really hurts. And that's

(08:18):
when I was like, it's my stomach. It feels like
there's a hand inside of my stomach and it's just
wrenching everything inside of it.

Speaker 1 (08:25):
Like it's just.

Speaker 3 (08:27):
That's the only way I can describe it. So they
were like thinking at the time, what they thought was
it was my aortic nerve was having like a fit
or something and that that basically runs all the way
down your torso ow so. But yeah, so this is
like only about fifteen to twenty minutes of after it happening,

(08:50):
and all of it's really clear at this point. Yeah,
they pull me out of the bathroom, realizing like how
big I am, like get to me, and because they're
pulling me out, I am just screaming like so much.
And at that point that's when they hit me with
the morphine. And the next like four or five hours

(09:11):
just kind of I have like flashes kind of of
what happened. So what happened was really was that I
had this ulcer in my stomach and I hadn't really
had any symptoms of feeling like I had an ulcer,
had no acid or anything like that. And basically what

(09:33):
happened was that the ulcer ruptured and its perforated the
skin the lining of my stomach, and as I was
throwing up, it basically made that perforation like really large,
and all of the stomach contents spilled out into my abdomen.
So all the food or the drink, all the bad bacteria,

(09:54):
good bacteria, and all the stomach acid. Yeah, all like
came out and swishing around all my abdomen. Now I'm
not a dog. Basically, it's not supposed to do that,
is it. It's definitely not supposed to do that. When
I got to the hospital, they they redlined us. I
was straight in past like ten different ambulances, and I

(10:18):
was on the surgery table by midnight, you know, and
the surgeon came to me and he was like, right,
if it's if it's a small tear, you know, we
can do keyhole surgery. But judging by the amount of
fluid that we can see in your abdomen from the scan,
like we think we might have to like cut you open. Yeah,

(10:40):
you know, and it's going to be an decision right
along your abdomen. So you know, you're okay with that.
I can remember him asking me that, and I was like,
I can sent to whatever you need to do, man, Just.

Speaker 4 (10:51):
Why would you ask you if he was okay, like like,
you know, at that point, I'd be like, mate, this
is you're not a mechanic. You're not saying would you
like the cheap tires or would you like the good tires? Like, no,
whatever it is to save my life, do it. Yeah,
I'll you know, you're the surgeon here.

Speaker 3 (11:10):
We have to transfusion as well. Hang on. It was
definitely a surgeon, wasn't it. It wasn't just some guy mate.
He was a superhero. He was like, so I can't
explain it. He just had this aura about him like
that you knew you were safe in his hands. That
I just because I was so scared.

Speaker 5 (11:31):
Man.

Speaker 3 (11:32):
It was like the most scary fucking thing in my life,
the most painful, like a few days of my life.
But speaking to him, speaking to some of the nurses,
to the anthissist, all these people like they really made
me feel hm hm for that moment while I was
like looking at them and speaking to him that I

(11:53):
might not actually die, m you know. And then when
I wasn't speaking to him, I was thinking, fuck, this
is it?

Speaker 1 (12:00):
Yeah, but.

Speaker 4 (12:02):
Yeah, it's terrifying, absolutely scary, Like if there's any one consolation,
I was very brave throughout the whole thing. So you
know you didn't oh no a bit, so you know,
take take that away. But right, so they ended up
having to cut you open.

Speaker 3 (12:20):
Then look at that. Did you see that? That's interview
skills that because I know because I've seen it at
that but like to the to the casual list and
they'll be like, oh no, it doesn't know. So they
had to cut you open them. Yes they did. Yeah,
I'd say it's about six or seven inch, Like.

Speaker 4 (12:41):
It's not bad, it's pretty impressive. It goes straight up
that they did. They go in in your belly button.

Speaker 3 (12:48):
It's kind of slightly around it, Like did they just
use that as like an aiming point or what or
is it like a sort of center punch for when
you're drilling so that you so that your entire abdomen
doesn't shatter when they in. Is that how it works?

Speaker 1 (13:03):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (13:03):
Well the other thing is, like the nurses are telling
me afterwards, like so basically they pulled like your your
organs out and put them in your body to clean
out your abom and to clean out the stomach and
everything to fucking like I had my interior bring me
the Horizon album. Well yeah, and then they said, like,

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and when they're done, they just flop it all back in,
not in any order, to just throw it all back in,
and then over the next few weeks, like, your body
will just find its way back to where.

Speaker 5 (13:40):
They were.

Speaker 3 (13:40):
Like, so you might feel a bit of discomfort here
and there. I was like, because you got the wrong place.

Speaker 4 (13:46):
Sorry, we put you upside down and now now you
have to eat lying on your side. So oh well,
oh flood yell what were the and these are the
holes in you as well? Yeah, that's like so hang on,
So they've they've stitched up your stomach and stuff like that.
How long was it before you were able to use

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your stomach?

Speaker 3 (14:10):
So my stomach itself is not stitched. They put like
a patch on it. Okay, so that was able to
be I was able to eat solid, well, not proper solid, but.

Speaker 4 (14:25):
Like somebody else's stomach. Have you observed have you getting memories?
Is it like the dead zone? Can you see Donald
Trump being assassinated? Please tell me you can see Donald
trumping assassinated.

Speaker 3 (14:38):
No comment. Well, well yeah, we'll keep that to ourselves.
But that's just patched up. And like I was able
to eat like about four or five days later. Oh cool,
but I had to take it easy. I wasn't allowed
to eat like a steak or anything like that for
like a few weeks. And then there's the massive cut
down the middle, and then I've got like and then

(15:01):
so the puncture are marks are from like drainage. So
I had like three going into my abdomen and then
I had one going up my nose. So I had
these four drainage tubes coming out of me for like
three or four days and then five ivs coming into me.

Speaker 5 (15:19):
At one point. Shit.

Speaker 3 (15:24):
Yeah, I was in the matrix. It was crazy, man. Yeah, yeah,
I was trying. Yeah that is a christ Yeah yeah.
So yeah, how long did you go? Man to go
for like a few days there as well, the first
like the first forty eight hours. Afterwards, they're monitoring me
every hour on the hour, but they're they're checking to

(15:44):
see if like my organs are about to go into
multiple organ failure. Jesus, that's like the thing that they're
worried about. For the first like twenty four or forty
eight hours. Yeah, did they tell you this?

Speaker 5 (15:55):
Yeah?

Speaker 4 (15:56):
And so oh that fucking hell. How did you even like,
because I'd just been sat there just concentrating really hard
on trying to make my organs not fail.

Speaker 3 (16:05):
But what they said is you have to stand up.
You need to stand up as soon as quickly as possible.
Like I think about thirty two hours in, I was
stood up and I was walking, and I walked around
the bed. It hurt like like fucking hell with fresh Yeah,
but you have to walk, you have to move, you
have to convince your body that it's not time to
give up. It's literally what they were saying.

Speaker 4 (16:27):
Christ, that's fucking wow, terrifying. Yeah, yeah, Jesus.

Speaker 3 (16:34):
This is what like the physio people were telling me
when they came around. Wow. So so at that point,
that's when I was like, I am fucking determined right
now to not like die here. I'm standing up. I'm
getting as soon as possible. And I did that, and
like a day or so later, I started doing like

(16:56):
some of the very very light physiotherapy exercises that they
were suggesting I should start doing when I get home.

Speaker 4 (17:02):
I'm doing the balls to that, Yeah, you want to
age recovery as quickly as possible. Yeah, I mean I
suppose you'd have this idea where it's like, all right
and fine them up now, but like it's almost like
sort of kickstarting a car or whatever. Once you've got
it going, you want to keep it going. Otherwise the
batterio d again. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, like do you
know what I mean?

Speaker 3 (17:20):
Like, so fucking hell. That must been terrified me. Yeah,
but but once I realized like there was something I
could do about it, that kind of changed everything. Mm hmm,
because like, no, Lie, I was like ready to go

(17:42):
up at one point.

Speaker 4 (17:43):
Well, but you know, it's one of these Oh thanks
so much, fucking universe. Thanks, Like, yeah, I deserve this,
don't I Like? Yeah, if we're honest, though, is your
competitive eating career over?

Speaker 5 (18:02):
So?

Speaker 3 (18:02):
How's he doing now?

Speaker 5 (18:04):
Is it?

Speaker 3 (18:04):
The bruising has all gone down a lot. It was
fucking Jesus Christ. It looked it looks like it's been assaulted.

Speaker 4 (18:13):
Nineteen seventies Tina Turner at time. Oh yeah, it was
fucked up, Like yeah.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
Said He's like, you look like you've been in a
gang fight. You got stabbed and shot three times yes,
fucking like, what the fuck well that that happened.

Speaker 4 (18:28):
That happened after the physio did. That's why he was
set back even further.

Speaker 3 (18:31):
You got some beef with another ward and you know
it's chunk of my nose, which yeah, yeah, yeah, that's
where the going. Here's the thing though, you brought up
Trump earlier. Yeah, and I thought I did think of
Trump and I was like, I lost more on my
nose than he did of his ear.

Speaker 4 (18:48):
Oh, I thought you were saying, I'm not fucking letting
him outlive me. No, I want to see him dead.
I don't care if I'm mostly robot like, I want
to see dead and maybe piss on his grades.

Speaker 3 (19:05):
Like, but but we'll see. And you know, we are back.
So basically, what's coming up next is the three year
episode of some Dare that we recorded on Twitter, which
actually was the night before nicked off.

Speaker 4 (19:26):
Yeah yeah, ship, like, you know, we need to go
back and listen to that see see if there was
anything that might have triggered itiicists.

Speaker 3 (19:41):
Well, the listeners are about to listen to it now,
so you guys tell us if there's any triggers in there.

Speaker 4 (19:46):
And if any of your stomachs explode, You've only got
yourself to blame.

Speaker 3 (19:52):
Then we'll know it was Neil. Yeah, it's on Neil.
So you guys, you guys, enjoy that. We're going to
go record some twats and we will see you next week.
Good evening, everybody, Welcome to this very special live edition
of some Dear call It Conspiracy, where we're going to

(20:13):
celebrate three years of dusting about no say hello to
the people. Hello to the people. We've also got a
very special guest, our very good friend, Steve the Conspiracist. Steve,
introduce yourself to the people, tell them about your mockumentary.

Speaker 5 (20:34):
And I as I go, and so I just was
trying to get my sound stories. Yeah, I've just I've
just brought it out, just released it. It's taken a
lot longer than I but I planned. Yeah, that's the exactly.
Sometimes it's it's nice, it's nice to say it actually
out because you know, a couple of times I'll say, yeah,

(20:54):
I wasn't in too short Beblegator finished. But yeah, it's
a documentary about flat earthers, and it's got a bit
more of a story, is you've got you guys have
seen it it's got a bit more of a story
than just sort of laughing at them. But as usual,
it's never the slight earth is that actually mistake it

(21:15):
for being real. It's always non fla And that's that's
probably I'm worry about the most about it. People coming
on and you're already yeah, I'm a dumb one. It good, Neil.

Speaker 3 (21:33):
I want to start with you, mate, I want to
sell with you what has been your favorite deep dive
of ours? First? I want to ask what has been
the most fun and the most satisfying?

Speaker 4 (21:48):
All right, okay, yeah, there we go there. Oh, the
most fun one probably I don't Actually the one we've
got sat waiting was pretty fun. Actually, the Ancient Aliens
that was a lot of fun. And there was barely
any anti semitism in it, like actually or was there?

(22:09):
Oh no, I think they might have been a lart actually, but.

Speaker 3 (22:13):
Yeah, that was that was a good one.

Speaker 4 (22:15):
I like the the Epstein one and the Hunter Biden's
laptop because they're just that they're just kind of fun,
aren't they really? Like they're interesting that there's a lot
of different sort of angles that that they that they
go off on, and there's there's some there's there's with
both of those things, there's a lot of things that
are sort of gray areas and are unsolved. And with

(22:38):
all of these things like the gray areas and the
and the unsolved bits that are potentially more interesting than
the supposed conspiracy theories, the most satisfying one, obviously would
be the ones that we did on Manchester, not just
not just the series looking at the the but I did,

(23:02):
like I thought, I thought it really sort of gave
some interesting context. The ones we did afterwards talking about
Richard and how he got into the theory and UH
and his ultimate downfall. I thought they sort of really
turned out to me pretty damn good documentaries, like do
you know what I mean, in their own right. But

(23:23):
also obviously I think that's I think we did a
good job there.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I think we did a worthy cause.

Speaker 4 (23:30):
There's obviously there is the closeness to Richard like UH,
because I used to know him, And but I also
I think we did it in such a way that
it wasn't censationalist.

Speaker 3 (23:43):
I don't think we.

Speaker 4 (23:45):
I don't think we sort of took advantage of the
situation in a ghoulish way. And I don't think that
And I think we were fair to Richard as well.
We could have used it to jump up and down
on his head, like do you know what I mean?
Like we could have we could have just like been
really really horrible and and to be honest, we'd have

(24:07):
been fairly justified in that, But we didn't. I thought
I thought we'd handled it quite reasonably and quite measured.
And Yeah, so I'd say say the Manchester one is
definitely the most satisfying.

Speaker 3 (24:23):
Yeah, I think he did great work on that, And
like you said, you didn't really he didn't attack him
personally or anything. He just tried to show context. I
really liked the Downfall episodes because you know, you showed
literally the dissent from him kind of just believing in
like UFO sort of stuff, and then kind of getting

(24:49):
sucked into this world of the the hoax and crisis
actor thing by his friends and his peers, and it
just showed the timeline and I think that was really important,
you know, to humanize him in a way. I know
a lot of people want to make him like into
a monster and everything, but we've always tried to say,

(25:09):
this is a person who's just got something terribly wrong. Yeah, Yeah,
like in.

Speaker 4 (25:15):
Some ways he's a victim too, like obviously not the
main victim, but like and some of that is a
victim of his own hubris, like do you know what
I mean?

Speaker 3 (25:23):
And arrogant, which which sort of I mean that.

Speaker 4 (25:27):
That's the other thing is that that sort of by
the time, a lot of time had passed from from
doing the Panorama Show to doing the Manchester series to
then following up and doing the The Fall series, and
Richard's attitude throughout that period was interesting as well, because like,

(25:48):
you know, initially I was rather sympathetically in the wrong word,
but like sort of the main thing I wanted to
particularly with the Panorama Show, was to highlight that Richard
was not like Alex Jones. In as much as Alex
Jones knows his lying doesn't give a ship and he's
just making money.

Speaker 3 (26:08):
Richard.

Speaker 4 (26:11):
Wrongly, genuinely thought that he was uncovering a crime. Now,
he still did terrible things, but there is that distinction. However,
he bagged himself into a corner and wouldn't admit he
was wrong, and doubled down and double down and got
really quite unpleasant. Like some of the things that he

(26:32):
demanded during his trial and some of the attitudes excuse
me that he took on, like Delingpole's podcast and stuff
like that, was it was one of those things where
you could understand it, but you could in no way
justify it, like this is a this is a person
that is basically he's backed himself into a corner sort

(26:53):
of not just in a sort of legal sense, but
also in a sort of mental sense, because it's one
of those things like he invested a huge mount into
this and for him to then just go a.

Speaker 3 (27:04):
Shit was wrong.

Speaker 4 (27:06):
And I think here's the thing, right, I think the
problem was was again with all of this to a degree,
was that was the audience. Like and again I'm not
trying to say that that Richards in any way blames
because of course it's his fault, but what I mean
by that was initially he was pandering to the audience,
like and then he got a response from it, and
that that was why he continued down the crisis at

(27:27):
to sort of path and then he's in a very
this is a really strange situation to be in. Once
he sort of went public and he was deemed to
be attacked by the BBC, You've got a huge amount
of people right that are then going to be saying
to him, this is because you're right, And it's easier
to several things. One is easier to sort of convince

(27:50):
yourself that yes, you are the hero of the piece
and you're being persecuted as opposed to I've accidentally done
a terrible, terrible, dreadful thing. But also, you know, people
do stupid things in times of stress. And he's in
a position where the only people that seem to be
on his side are telling him that he's right, double down,

(28:11):
the BBC attacking you, yaddy, yadda yadda. So what's he
going to do? Turn on all of those people and
say no, actually you're all wrong. Then everyone's gonna hate him.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
I mean, that's what you should do as a responsible person,
but it's a it's an impossible situation. Yeah, I agree
for myself, I think similar thing, like the Manchester stuff
that we did is probably the most important content that

(28:44):
we've made. And I'm totally with you. I like, I
think that David Ike episode was really funny. The very
first episode we did with Skeptic of the North, that
was like we hit the ground running with that, Like
it was brilliant but I know the subject is a
bit raw. But I really enjoyed the Pizzagate series.

Speaker 4 (29:08):
Oh yeah, Pizza Gate was great.

Speaker 3 (29:11):
Yeah, you destroyed it. We just absolutely destroyed it. And
it's just Joel obviously was hilarious. That was the first
time we got to do an episode with Joel, and yeah,
it was just I don't know, as it kind of
came together.

Speaker 4 (29:28):
We didn't it because we had the chance to use samples,
and you know, we were slightly longer than the previous ones,
like Jesus Christ. Right, I've still got the notes from
the very first David Ike thing. Right, this this five.
This is meant to like five or six pages in

(29:48):
a small notebook and mostly it's bullet points and then
like you remember the fucking how thick the it was
for for Ancient Aliens? It was like I think it
was something like that.

Speaker 3 (30:02):
Yeah, the audience doesn't know, but we have recorded a
full series of debunking the Ancient Aliens conspiracy theory. But
we recorded for like nine hours over two days.

Speaker 5 (30:18):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, it was.

Speaker 4 (30:21):
It was longer than ten I thought, because like it
was at least five hours on each.

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Day and like, yeah, that was crazy, and Joel yeah,
it was like, yeah, it was late night for him
and bless him, he's a superhero. He stays up all
night for us. But yeah, it was it was it
was good.

Speaker 5 (30:42):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (30:43):
But they're all fun, like this is the thing that
they're fun to to research and that they're fun to
to chat about and fun to to find things out
about and stuff like that. So you know, don't panic, guys.

Speaker 3 (30:56):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (30:57):
We've sort of deferred to this sort of the twast
stuff the minute, but we are going to continue to
do everything just as and when we get the time
and the sort of impulse.

Speaker 3 (31:07):
Basically exactly, this is like a DIY record label, and
we do what the hell we want. So we're just
going to stick to deep dives for the moment. I
would just want to make a quick announcement anyone who's listening, like,
if you want to come and talk, if you want
to say something, if you just want to speak for
two minutes, if your friend or foe, whatever, come on,

(31:29):
raise your hand, come say something. You're more than welcome
to speak. Steve, you were messaging me telling me like
you were catching up on all the episodes and everything.
When it comes to the deep dives. Which ones did
you like learn a lot from? You were on one
of our deep dives as well, the cultural Marxism one,

(31:54):
was it.

Speaker 5 (31:55):
Yeah, it was one of the earlier ones, you know what,
I quite like the Tommy Robinson once as of late
those ones, I think because even after I've still got
the old friend who tries to pick up for him
and based on you know, if you cherry pick or
if you only get exposed to certain things that certain

(32:16):
people say, you know, and it's your your show, that
sort of armed me with the ability to go actually, yeah,
he also does and says and thinks this and you
know for example, and it's it's yeah, it's it's been
the most sort of like because I, you know, I'm
obviously English and then he is as well, and there's

(32:36):
something that affects our country more than say, you know,
some of the other politiculus aboard, and so yeah, I
found that one to be the most intriguing. And I'm
told you both in the past I've worked with a
guy that was really into that, that whole way of thinking,
so it helped me I understand it a lot more.

(32:58):
It's been one of the sort of one of the
ones stood out, that's thanks.

Speaker 3 (33:02):
For much, So you like the ammunition basically to confront
these lies by your friends.

Speaker 5 (33:12):
Yeah, I said, more organized, Like, you know, there was
a lot of stuff are familiar with before, so I
know that, you know, they've all got a lot of similarities,
a lot of these these types of griffs and types
of ways of you know, everyone's trying to get a
little trium, aren't they all these grifters? And I was
familiar with a lot of it, but it is just
organized it all. So I was able to go and
it reminds you of it, you know, I've kind of

(33:34):
I think I did even send it to him, you know,
in the end, I thought, here's a neatly organized reasons
as the why you know that guy's the way it
is excellent. You know what it's like when you forget
you forget key points when you're actually talking to someone
and you're you end up what's going like, no, I
promise you another? Well why exactly?

Speaker 3 (33:57):
I'm like, you know, yeah, sometimes it's hard to to
like face the steamroller of the dish gallop that people
can just throw a load of stuff at you and
you don't know how to stop it. You know, Oh
we've got the man who designed our logo and want

(34:18):
do you come and say a word? Nick, please take
the floor. Thank you. I got to tell you, mate,
thank you so much for supporting us from day one,
offering to make our logo for us, like, mate, thank
you so much.

Speaker 6 (34:32):
Right, Yeah, I just wanted to think you as well's.
I've really enjoyed watching you grow and from stumbling upon
your very first YouTube video Brent. Yeah, I'm just watching
it request from there. It's been amazing and I really

(34:55):
liked your documentary Steve and you interview. The guy you
interviewed on the beach is an old print of mine, Darren,
so it was quite funny to see him because I
grew up in Brighton.

Speaker 5 (35:14):
Thank you very much. Yeah.

Speaker 6 (35:19):
I was the first one to tell him about both
jobs and that kicked off the whole. I don't know
how old you are, but when they ran for elections
and Brighton, yeah, I just wanted to pop and sing
alone and just share much appreciation. And it's been great

(35:39):
to see the.

Speaker 5 (35:42):
What you do and you know you do great stuff.

Speaker 3 (35:48):
Thank you, Thank you, thank you. It really means a lot, mate.
Can you please before you go off, please tell everyone
where to find your stuff. Tell everyone your website and
please like buy some Nicholas Grey artwork merchandise. It's fantastic.

Speaker 5 (36:09):
I'll put it in a comment and them I'll put
it in the nest.

Speaker 3 (36:13):
That's fabulous mate, Thank you so much. Nick, Right, I
think we should maybe start talking about the interviews that
we've done, Neil, Yeah, who have you enjoyed like speaking
to Obviously we've enjoyed speaking to everyone, Like we don't
have anyone on who's boring, you know, but who have

(36:34):
you really found like gave you some interesting insights and
made you like think maybe for a few days after
the interview?

Speaker 4 (36:43):
Oh right, I mean some of the reason the recent
people that we like. Nellie obviously from the Disinfo Lab
is fantastic.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
She's brilliant. Nellie from Lere Yeah, yeah, just absolutely just brilliant,
brilliant mind and just yeah, just incredible. Everybody's been fun
Like John Ronson obviously was just.

Speaker 4 (37:06):
Like when you told me like we've got we've got somebody,
You're not gonna believe it.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
It's like no way, you know, John Ronson? That was
that was.

Speaker 5 (37:17):
Barrett Brown, Yeah, that was incredible.

Speaker 3 (37:20):
That was the for the audience. That was the only
person whom Neil has ever requested to me, can you
please get this person on the show, because more normally
I picked the person I find people who we want
to put on or whatever. But Neil was like, can
we please get this guy? So I went and organized it,
sword out and I was like, hey, we got your guy.

(37:42):
And that was a fabulous, fabulous chat. Nearly got us
in trouble with the got threatened by a journalist by
the Washington Post. Journalists said that he was going to
suit us. That was that was a lot of fun.

Speaker 4 (38:01):
Inad Barrett said something on the show that he said
wasn't true and wasn't in it, and he says he
knew it wasn't true because Barrett hadn't actually put it
in his book. And at this point, I was only
about halfway through the book because it had only just
come out like a couple of days ago, and just
got it through the Post, and we're like, we don't know,
we don't know has he done this? Has he not

(38:24):
just really really quickly scammed through the book. And I
was like, how the fuck aren't he has said that
in the book? Looked up and cross preferences. It's like,
now this blog's fucking lying, Like I can't believe it.

Speaker 3 (38:35):
But hey, but yeah, that was. That was great because
I've been a sort of big fan of Barrett Brand's
for a huge amount of time.

Speaker 4 (38:44):
Barney Farmer was was wonderful. I was so happy when
you arranged that.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Yeah, that was. That was because you said that he
said about the Daily with the Daily Mail, Mail Online
or whatever it is. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, lie a
viz comic strip. Yeah, and I thought, right, I'm gonna
surprise me all with this one, and let's see if
I can get Barney on yet. He's on sweet right,

(39:10):
let me go.

Speaker 4 (39:12):
You were so genuinely I was. I was genuinely touched.
That was a really lovely thing that you did in
obviously Barney's ace. So that was great, domb Jolly obviously
a high point because just Dom is just awesome. Sus
Kempner hilarious. How just a wonderful, wonderful person. Yeah, she's cracking,

(39:38):
isn't she Absolute? Absolutely and so talented like in a
number of ways, and incredibly sweet with it as well.

Speaker 3 (39:46):
She's not.

Speaker 4 (39:49):
Quite a lot, I really, Yeah, she just incredible, range
is astonishing yeah, but I'll tell you who else, Like
I was really chill that we've got to speak to
you and that we now kind of know is Tony
d Tony Poisonous, Poisonous Poets and don't flow up Champion

(40:11):
Tony duck about that's wicked. With Adam twice, Yeah, he's
a good he's a good guy. Yeah, and and and
again just very very talented. That's what's really nice. It's
just like it's just really nice to like to speak
to people who are good at what they do and
just like are passionate about it and stuff like that.
And yeah, it's yeah, all the interviews are fun, Like

(40:34):
a lot of them are sort of like by the
seat of our pants and stuff like that, Like, you know,
we're not we're not Parkinson by any stress imagination. But
there's there's been relatively few awkward silencers, so that's usually good.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
And if there was any, I edited them out exactly
if we will fake it till we make it. A
really enjoyed the most recent one that we did with
Wilson bag Montefior. He's so funny, such a cool guy. Yeah,
totally as well, Yeah, absolutely cool guy. I really really

(41:13):
to be honest, I really enjoy like it when we
do the interviews with with the journalists, you know, because
we get a little peak behind how media work. Yeah,
those were those fascinating interviews. Actually.

Speaker 4 (41:28):
Yeah, Like Mikey is just a really nice guy. Both
of them really nice guys.

Speaker 3 (41:34):
Yeah. We not really had any sort of like controversial
guests that we've got. I think it was a dickhead.

Speaker 4 (41:39):
No, No, been quite fortunate really, yeah. I mean you know,
they may well say that about us.

Speaker 3 (41:49):
I think we've only we've only had one guest where
he was a little bit shy when we did the
political spectrum of conspiracy theories. I think he was a
little bit overwhelmed by by you.

Speaker 5 (42:06):
Yeah, yeah, it can happen.

Speaker 4 (42:10):
Yeah that yeah, I do doubt it was entirely my fault.

Speaker 3 (42:14):
Yeah, obviously, but yeah, obviously we loved speaking to every
single person because, you know, because conspiracism affects everybody, and
everybody knows people in this world now, so we can
kind of talk to anyone because they've everyone's got some
sort of experience. But Steve, I want to ask you, like,

(42:36):
which of the interviews really stuck with you?

Speaker 5 (42:42):
I mean I was I was on that, But yeah,
I mean because he's another one that a lot of
people have sort of got positive things to say about.

Speaker 3 (42:49):
And you had a meltdown on here Morgan the other day.

Speaker 5 (42:55):
And you know what the back of that, I actually
watched that Ado Lessons just to see what you're harping on.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
About, and was that what you were crying about?

Speaker 5 (43:02):
Yeah, he couldn't have got it more I'm literally just finished,
actually finish watched it today and he couldn't have got
it more wrong.

Speaker 4 (43:12):
Oh yeah, yeah, it's astonishingly good. Like and that's what's
so silly about all the sort of ferrara about this
is that all the people are there, aren't they're angry
about something that hasn't happened because they haven't watched it
and they don't understand it, and so they're sort of
filling in their own narrative about and saying this is
what it is and blah blah blah, and it's like

(43:34):
it's very very stupid. Basically, we're going to discuss it
more on the sort of Twat show, like obviously when
that sort of comes up.

Speaker 5 (43:41):
But like.

Speaker 3 (43:43):
The one thing that got me was like people are
not understanding that the concept of like how fiction could
be used to sort of like help tell a narrative.
WHI they're discussing our active fiction in parliament and it's
like he's serious. Like almost every single lesson that you learn.

Speaker 4 (44:01):
As a child is through fiction, other than when you
put your hand on a hob or something like that. Right, okay,
And you know things like Esop's Fables for example, like
you know the yeah, yeah, anything like that, anything, yeah,
the Good Samaritan there, you get the absolutely anything like
that is it's a story that instills concepts into you

(44:23):
because these stories are sort of more relatable, like but yeah,
it's ridiculous.

Speaker 5 (44:30):
Yeah, I mean it's it's when when you get people going,
they sort they expect it to be everyone's kind of
what about this? What do you mean what? It doesn't
it's not in all situation it's not and and all situations.
This is this happens to be a story about about
this particular is the thing particular saying it doesn't make

(44:52):
anything else redundant. You know.

Speaker 4 (44:56):
Yeah, it's a bit like storming out a Shindler's list,
like and going expected more fucking sharks like in Jaws.

Speaker 5 (45:03):
It's like, yeah, that's not.

Speaker 3 (45:05):
What it is.

Speaker 4 (45:05):
It's it's it's not about that, like ah yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:13):
And the real killers.

Speaker 4 (45:14):
Look at them, look at them stopping it from Nazis.
They've got so wocism gone mad. And Steven Spielberg, well
we know about you know, there's certain aspects of his character.

Speaker 5 (45:31):
Yeah, when people obviously everyone yeah, saying that, the saying
that there's no stories about you know, why is it
like a working class family from more than England. It's
like because there haven't been any films about the ghettos
of London, you know what I mean. Yeah, yeah, it's
like adulthood adulthood top Boy, Yeah, that was.

Speaker 3 (45:56):
The thing, Like, just did Top Boy demonized that?

Speaker 5 (46:00):
Kids?

Speaker 3 (46:00):
Like, like, it seems.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
That's the way I'm said, it's a story.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
What interested me and maybe this is I'm the only
person in the world that saw it like this was
that the plot essentially was the same plot as Joker, inasmuch.

Speaker 3 (46:19):
As somebody wronged by society in certain ways but not
in other ways lashes out in violence. Now, what's strange
is that the same people that basically for some reason
hated adolescents loved Joker and saw it for some reason

(46:40):
there's some sort of like anti woke sort of like
celebration of c see what happens if you push too far?
And yeah, it's it's bizarre. It's like literally people that
that that praised the film had said they.

Speaker 4 (47:05):
Hated the TV series and that they were describing the
same sort of things, but one one was positive in
this and one was sullenly demonizing people in this. And
it's like, you know, people just like the moan what
you just said for some reason, and that reason is idiocy.

Speaker 3 (47:24):
Well and also potentially racism.

Speaker 5 (47:28):
The same thing, same difference.

Speaker 3 (47:30):
Well, yes that's very true.

Speaker 4 (47:32):
Yeah, but yeah, but yes, isn't it. But but yeah,
going back to to the points that the interviews have
have been, yeah, just great, like because as I said,
like that was the fun thing. It's like I never
thought we got a chance to shoot the ship with
Dom Jolly and John Ronson and Danny Wallace and Danny

(47:56):
Wallace Yeah yeah, yeah, absolutely, like telling us his story
about the ghost Ducks.

Speaker 5 (48:09):
Who was you? Top three people? If you could pick anyone,
who was you? I like to have on the show.

Speaker 4 (48:18):
All right, yeah, okay, yeah that would be interesting. We
have talked about this. We we like we'd like musicians like,
so we.

Speaker 3 (48:34):
Would probably like to have some sort of music musicians onto,
just because we like musicians in multi technique would be
an interesting one obviously.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
And.

Speaker 4 (48:49):
It would just descend into people that we liked really
to be quite honest, like I'd like to talk to
Stizzar from Left Over Crack and and Chris Rest from
rich Kinds on NST and stuff like that, and they're
just numerous. Any rapper really like from the golden era,

(49:10):
like we would really cares one would be fantastic to
talk to you, even if someone like Griff, Professor Griff
might be interesting, although I don't know if that would
end well.

Speaker 5 (49:23):
Caress when comes to you quite a bit his performance
well down the road from me quite.

Speaker 4 (49:30):
Yeah, Yeah, it's not impossible, Like and you know we actors,
comedians and stuff like that would would be astonishing. Did
this I'll tell you what it is really like, We
just picked people that we like and ask and if

(49:50):
they and if they say yeah, we're like yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:53):
So many things like only chufful tea that would be
that would be cool, Like yeah, Diz would be great,
Disaster would be.

Speaker 4 (50:05):
Shot her will be awesome to chat to.

Speaker 3 (50:08):
Yeah, funny bastard. Yeah, totally totally and and what's the fire?
I think got KOJ and KOJ might be an interesting one.

Speaker 4 (50:20):
Oh totally yeah, absolutely like this this so many depends
depends what your scale is really like, do you know
what I mean?

Speaker 3 (50:27):
Like? Ah, but yeah, there's some of people we would
like in no particular order.

Speaker 5 (50:36):
If you're ignored, just like that, just for the purposes
of diving into conspiracy, would that who was your pick? Then? Sorry?

Speaker 3 (50:48):
Sorry, sorry, just just quickly before we actually get into
more stuff, We've got another audience member who wants to
come on quickly and say hello. I know he's got
a very limited time, so Daniel Pergsley, Hey, can you
hear me?

Speaker 5 (51:03):
Yeah? Hey, how's it going.

Speaker 7 (51:05):
Hey, I'm sorry, Neil, I'm sorry. I'm not a rapper,
I'm a bass player. But yeah, I just wanted to
say I love you guys. I love this.

Speaker 5 (51:16):
Show and you you like.

Speaker 3 (51:20):
Yeah, I just.

Speaker 7 (51:20):
Needed it in my life when I found it, like
just things that you know, a.

Speaker 3 (51:28):
Just in life.

Speaker 7 (51:29):
At the moment, we are in such a funny place
in the world and the way you guys deconstruct stuff,
and I think it's like the level of humility that
you guys have come into.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
This with and everything. It's just it's just awesome.

Speaker 7 (51:44):
And I just want to big you guys up and
just say thank you so much.

Speaker 3 (51:49):
Thank you man. That's that's that's really cool.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
Yeah, big fancy of yourself as well, Dan, like obviously,
like for people that don't know, Dan's in a band
called Skin Dread, who are fucking awesome?

Speaker 3 (52:03):
Where are you going to complain in Nottingham or do
bloodstock again?

Speaker 7 (52:07):
I'm sure we will end up in Nottingham tied up
in knots again at some point and yeah, yeah, yeah,
rock City. We love it so you know, and as
well because our last record and the record, like I'm
in the studio at the moment we're recording him in Brighton,
like Benger's in the middle of vocal takes and I've
got like one it budd in so I can listen

(52:28):
to you guys like do this because I wanted to.
But I am sure when the record comes out that
we will we will definitely come to like rock City
and all that, and maybe we can get a cup
of tea, isn't.

Speaker 4 (52:41):
We Oh I'd love to absolutely love it. So yeah,
thank you so much man, Like I really really appreciate it.

Speaker 5 (52:48):
No, no, you guys, you guys are are doing the
good work. Really.

Speaker 3 (52:53):
You know.

Speaker 7 (52:54):
I think it's like the way you handle a lot
of the subjects, you know, because a lot of it
people are fucking bar me, aren't they? And you get
into it and you're like, how do people believe this stuff?
But you know, a lot of people, I think if
they are into that, well, the conspiracism, they come from
a place of you know, seeing injustice or seeing things
that are problem more and just trying to make sense

(53:16):
of it all the time, you know, and just I
you know, the way you guys approach it, and yeah,
I love it, and yeah, thank you.

Speaker 3 (53:27):
I'm going to have to chip.

Speaker 7 (53:28):
I'm going to have to chip, but I'm going to
keep listening to you guys, and yeah, thank.

Speaker 3 (53:32):
You, thank you so much, Dan, thank you so much.
Why am I?

Speaker 4 (53:40):
But yeah, but you know, just so people understand, like
they're but for the grace of God, we used to
like believe slash entertaining all sorts of stuff like and
you know, to a degree, I wish some of it
was truth, but we just.

Speaker 3 (53:54):
Found out that it wasn't. Really Like and.

Speaker 4 (54:00):
Also that's absolutely right, like that that's nobody, or at
least when we were getting into it. It might have
changed slightly now because the concept of a conspiracy theorist
is slightly different, Like it seems to be more sort
of aimed at groups and and sort of discrimination and

(54:21):
stuff like that, which is not what we got into
it for, Like do you know what I mean? Like yeah,
like you know, particularly sort of like after nine to
eleven and stuff like that, the theory was like, don't
fall for the hype. They're going to use this to
demonize Muslims. And now it's don't fall for the hype.

(54:42):
Muslims are absolute bastards and everybody that's coming they're seeking
refuge or legally or illegally trying to migrate to whatever
country is liable to knife you to death in your bed.
And it's like there's a fundamental change. Bizarrely, even in
that app like it's framed as a sort of doing

(55:04):
the right thing. I mean, obviously I don't think that
is doing the right thing at all, but but it
is framed in that way.

Speaker 5 (55:13):
Fundamentals, and to selling any of these ideas, it's fundamental
to convince people that they're on the good side.

Speaker 3 (55:20):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (55:20):
I mean, like very few people who turn around and go, no,
we're doing this because we're bastards, right, even so you know,
like Nazis or whatever, like they're doing it because they
at least some of them, have a concept that they're
fighting for the preservation of the white race or they're
fighting against you know, Jewish world control or something like that.

(55:44):
Like yeah, like it's silly obviously, but like, but this
is the thing, like that people like to see themselves
as the hero of their own story, like and but
it's just that that the people can be easily manipulated
and also like you know, some people just.

Speaker 3 (56:06):
Easy easily led and and you know, this is why
we're in the world that we're in at the minute.

Speaker 5 (56:11):
Really was about anolescence. That that that last bit you
just said about you young boys are particularly vunerable to
someone getting their attention and going I can seek you
out to be a fucking man or like, and they

(56:31):
are literally easy pickings. They're trying to find themselves. It is.
I mean, I'm sure young girls are as well. They're
not getting targeted by the manster obviously reconcussions from it,
but yeah, things are they're such easy pickings and that's
what's that's what that was about.

Speaker 4 (56:50):
Yeah, it's one of those things where like, you know,
I was looking at and going fuck. You know, I
remember being at school and thinking how social media and
having a photo like a camera and a film camera
on your phone would be the worst fucking thing, thinking
back to all the shit that we did at school
and all the embarrassing stuff that happened and you know,

(57:12):
not necessarily just to me, just like you know, things
that happened to people and if that was caught on
film and put on the internet and stuff, or the
pressures are hugely different, which is why a program like
that is it's not just to teach kids, and it's
not there to teach kids, as I said, it's there

(57:32):
just to sort of like it's an inn. It's a
way of talking about something for folk's sake. When we
were doing like World War two, like at school we
watched Oh What a Lovely War, which is with the
musical version, like that's not realistic. It's not entirely realistic, right, Okay,
but you know what he did it allowed us to

(57:53):
understand concepts around for example, the idea that it was
just the royal family having a fight and stuff like that, right, and.

Speaker 3 (58:04):
So this is this is why why they do these things.

Speaker 4 (58:07):
But but what was the other thing was that it
was kind of like a sort of bridging thing for
parents as well, like the emoji things in the mening
of like what the one hundred emoji means and things
like that, because you know, that's sort of the point
of these things, to make it impenetrable for your parents

(58:28):
to understand that to have your own thing. The Actually,
the only thing that I thought was quite ironic was
that that. And I don't know this to be a fact,
but if I know anything about youth culture, by the
time that came out, all of that's probably completely wrong.
Whatever slang they used, whatever emojis are used, Like that's
like last season and everyone's onto something else now, like

(58:49):
do you know what I mean? But like that's the
nature of kids, isn't it.

Speaker 5 (58:53):
So?

Speaker 3 (58:54):
But who are your bocket list? Then, Brent, I know, Steve,
you asked for three, but I've got six. But well,
I've got three people that I want to speak to
about their ideas. And they're all musicians, all right. So
the first person is the lead singer from Strike Anywhere,

(59:14):
Thomas Barnett. Yeah, to speak to him about left wing
values and the work that he's doing right now, which
is part of he's working for a legal firm which
deals with diversity, So I think that would be a
fantastic episode. He's such a kind and thoughtful man like

(59:36):
I would love to dig into his thoughts. The other
person is Jim Lindberg from Penny Wise, who have always
respected for his politics. And the third, like musician kind
of person that I want to dig into his thoughts,
is Matt Embry from our ex Bandits. He's just he's

(01:00:00):
just I want to dig into some of these lyrics
and some of these thoughts that he has because I
know he's super political and I know he's super conscious.
So like, those are the three people that I'd like
to talk to, like on a personal level. But there's
three people that I want to speak to about how

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conspiracy theories have affected them, and that is number one
Klaus schwat Oh, never going to get him, but I
fucking love to. Number two Bill Gates, never going to
get him, but I fucking love to. And number three
is probably my number one guest that would absolutely adore

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and love to speak to about this stuff is Lady Gaga, Yes,
just the center, the center of so many conspiracy theories.
I would just love to sit with her for half
an hour and just dig into like how that feels
for her, like all this terrible thing, because like that's

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just always like it struck me and affected me about
my own time in conspiracy land. Is the the terrible
things I said about innocent people? Then That's why I
would like to speak to those three people to see,
like to really face the ship that I said about them.

(01:01:29):
You know, I want to feel it. I want to
know that, I want to understand it. I want to
emphasize with it and like, yeah, those are those are
three people. I think they are at the center of
conspiracy theories that I think would be a phenomenal conversation
to have.

Speaker 5 (01:01:47):
That would be good. I mean, I didn't know. I
was surprised the person he said of our spots, come
to think of it, and she never been particularly so
I'm only starting to talk. You know, I appreciate how
talent is the last sort of five years. But even
when she was when she first came out, was she
particularly a public paras was she she would you know,

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she went to she.

Speaker 4 (01:02:13):
Went to the same school as Paris Hilton and her
sister Paris and Niki Hilton. She's her father is a
well dressed Italian businessman, which might be euphemism for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Just Italian well dressed. What are you talking about? As well.

Speaker 4 (01:02:32):
Well dressed Italian businessman is often a euphemism for.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
Might well be mobbed up. Basically, so her real name
Deephanie Giamata or German Nata or something like that German aa. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
And she's clearly a very talented woman. But but yeah,
she's a she's she's quite well off and might well
be hugged it with the mob.

Speaker 5 (01:02:57):
But you know, she is.

Speaker 3 (01:03:00):
Out of all the people, she's the only person that
I've tried to contact so far, Jesus Christ, like.

Speaker 5 (01:03:08):
I am.

Speaker 3 (01:03:09):
I am going to keep trying to get lady.

Speaker 4 (01:03:15):
No, like, not to the point of stalking, obviously, like,
but but yeah, keep hamming away. A couple of more actually,
like Robert Smith from The Cure and Mick James from
The Clash would be awesome, and Glenn mat Love would
be good as well.

Speaker 5 (01:03:32):
I would a good Yeah. I kind of want to
just be I've always loved you, but I just want
to be like really, the thing is the thing is
like in America, black communities do our history with the

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government trying certain things. So there, well, yeah, just a
bill when engraved in him culture, isn't it so under.

Speaker 8 (01:04:02):
Bredhampton Like yeah, well, like you know, like like it's
that they're not opposed to killing black people in America.

Speaker 4 (01:04:15):
So it's just a thing that they do, isn't it.
But yeah, yeah, go back to our special guests as well.
Our expandage would be interesting because I want actually twice
so then Weed. So I wonder if they remember that.
Probably not.

Speaker 3 (01:04:35):
I'm sure if someone told them weed on every fucking
tour for like the past fifteen years, bro, it seemed
to be fair. But yeah, that would be interesting.

Speaker 5 (01:04:48):
Did you ever have any other people on that you've
plassed with, like Lawrence Fots for example, if it was ever.

Speaker 3 (01:04:53):
Yeah, hell yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:04:55):
I mean I thought you renas the opportunity to be honest,
and I would absolutely love to hear you going.

Speaker 4 (01:05:00):
Head to head with someone like brilliant Lawrence Folks. Oh yeah,
that'd be awesome, like totally like there was somebody who
we were gonna go in touch with us. I won't
say who it was it's a female that's worked with
the BBC previously. It's not Maria on Spring. It's nobody

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that we like. Someone going in touch with us and
they wanted to do an interview with us, and it
was clear that they were trying to do it to
promote themselves. They were trying to enter themselves into certain
demographics in order to make money, and for whatever reason,

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they thought that we'd be a good sort of thing
to to sort of talk to. And it was all there,
it was all set up, and I found out who
this person was. I was like, oh, yeah, okay, So
we got like a file together. We're going to do
this ambush interview where basically like who said, you know,
a few years ago you said this, and a few

(01:06:04):
years ago you said this, and a few years ago
you said this, you still stand by it, and just
stuff like that. And this person got in touch with
Brent and went, I've listened to a couple of your
shows and I don't think I.

Speaker 3 (01:06:15):
Want to be interviewed by you.

Speaker 4 (01:06:16):
People that that Neil is a bit brash, isn't her?

Speaker 5 (01:06:26):
Is obviously.

Speaker 3 (01:06:29):
Yeah, Steve. Now I want to ask you though, because
you just flipped it on us who would we want
on the show? Who do you want us to interview?

Speaker 5 (01:06:37):
I mean, I don't feel like I can ever answer
this question without including barriers from his standards.

Speaker 3 (01:06:43):
Oh, that'd be good, very challenged man. I'd love to
interview him.

Speaker 5 (01:06:50):
He's a really fella. Apparently he's he's got a lot
of amaz and he's quite game for if you guys
didn't I know you you said.

Speaker 9 (01:07:02):
Extras, Yeah, of course, yeah, he's anyone hasn't seen that
he's I think he still isn't showing it because he
just plays such a scheduled version of himself and it's
the most brave acting I.

Speaker 5 (01:07:15):
Think I've seen, perhaps Keith Chegrin.

Speaker 10 (01:07:20):
Who are step I mean, okay, well, okay, okay, okay,
how about how about this one, Steve, who would you
like Kneel to go on someone else's podcast?

Speaker 5 (01:07:32):
Mm hmm on their podcast? Which podcast? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:07:39):
Yeah, that's the question.

Speaker 5 (01:07:42):
I mean. Rogan would be a brilliant one, because.

Speaker 4 (01:07:47):
He'll put me in a fucking Judo hold within ten minutes,
Like I'm telling you, Like, he'll say something I'll go
now not haven't that? And I'll insult him and yeah,
he'll he'll have me over the fucking desk and choking
me unconscious within ten minutes.

Speaker 5 (01:08:03):
I guarantee him to be fair in terms of temist,
but it might not be the best I think.

Speaker 3 (01:08:12):
Yeah, if me and Neil both went on there together,
I think it would be a little bit more productive.
If Neil went on his own, they probably have a fight.
But as long as I was there to kind of
keep the peace, I think it would be pretty good.
I'm destroying.

Speaker 5 (01:08:31):
Yeah, he's very he's really I mean, it would be
quite a good one. I think he's a knowing young
guy as well. Call I think where where he's where
he's like, I just think you tie up in Nott,
so I don't think you'd understand the worst.

Speaker 3 (01:08:49):
He looks quite close to me, so like that's not
a good idea. But and also like he's but he's
very well like in Nottingham, Like he's a bit of
a he's a bit of a local hero stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:09:04):
So yeah, yeah, he's just he's got he's got so
bad anyway, he's not just. I think he could be
he should be talked.

Speaker 11 (01:09:13):
Around without too much so to be fair to him,
and has been hit quite a lot.

Speaker 5 (01:09:19):
Yeah that Lord Jamar I know he's not necessarily. I mean,
Sharon Tower, he's one of my favorites. I love ter. Yeah,
he's wins them, of course, just he's just he's just common.

Speaker 4 (01:09:39):
He's going to take his energy ideas and he's just
going to run off to China with him, he says,
because nobody's taking him seriously in America. He can go
very wrong as well, like I've done at least one
podcast where basically I spent entirely, like a good couple
of hours recording it and because I argued with the bloke.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Saying should never put it out. So there there is
always that like, yeah, it did come across a bit
of a mentalist to you, honest, but hey, it is
what it is, and that was the one, Yeah, this
is never coming out.

Speaker 5 (01:10:21):
People are get a bit more wise that like there
was some there was some channels that I've seen and
you see the host talking about previous man and basically
the reason they never ended up broadcasting it because it's
like it was clearly just they wanted to get on
to make money for example. Yeah. Yeah, and obviously people
everyone's doing what they're doing as a career. If I'm

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wrong with trying to monetize what you want to do
with your life. Absolutely, But it's what it's really transparent
whether it's a serious issue and they just capitalize on.
You know, you've got you're going to monetize the serious issue.
You've got to you've got to ethically as well.

Speaker 3 (01:11:00):
Absolutely.

Speaker 4 (01:11:01):
Yeah, yeah, this is the thing. It's about principles. You know,
everybody's out there too. You've got to survive, haven't you,
and whatnot. But but it's about whether you're doing it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:15):
In a manipulative manner.

Speaker 4 (01:11:16):
And that's what annoys me is that some of the
people who to me are sort of the most sort
of transparently like, oh, for God's sake, they're just telling
you what you want to hear, like in order for
you to throw money at them, particularly in the conspiracy world.

Speaker 3 (01:11:32):
But I know it works. It seems to work.

Speaker 4 (01:11:36):
There's some people who make quite a lot of cash
out of it, haven't they.

Speaker 5 (01:11:39):
You get someone that talk with anything like what, I've
actually got an idea for a completely different character and
a real series. I don't know how to do it
exactly mocumentary style, but it's about being a YouTuber. You
remember that you really liked.

Speaker 3 (01:11:59):
Wind them up and they send men.

Speaker 5 (01:12:00):
Yeah, really Twitter guy, and to expand on that and
just basically to a really YouTuber is really transparently just
like sometimes I turn on you watch YouTube in my
face agent, I've got a massive around. All the sumnails
are quite big, and you I swear it's just like
every single one of them is just like someone pointed

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at someone else, going he said this, or they lied
about that, or what's been exposed, or it's just like
Russell Brand's fucking face or even sports conspiracies, you know,
the United States, and like that, you've got you've got
the hose just going ah this doing meltdown because this

(01:12:41):
this non this non tense thumbnail and I just want
to take the fist out of that. And that can
tie in with you can just you don't need to
care about what you're saying. It's like, you know how
this elong's been going about citizen journalism is the way forward.
No it's not. No, it's not general public, it's how

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it happens. Quite frank, you shouldn't give the general public
equal opinion and equal power. I'm I'm not saying to
take you you know, it's one of them subjects generals
and where yeah, of course you want to sort of
give you want you do, want to take the power
away from four breakings and told what they do and
don't cover. However, they were all in mind. There are

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some fucking there are some people.

Speaker 4 (01:13:36):
Like nine ten people are thick as fucking ship, And
that's why the dictionary is full of words like you're
what a fucking at is.

Speaker 3 (01:13:46):
A fucking book to tell you?

Speaker 5 (01:13:48):
Like, but like, yeah it.

Speaker 3 (01:13:54):
Is they they transparent, isn't it? But what can you do?

Speaker 5 (01:13:59):
No man place out of it where you came?

Speaker 4 (01:14:02):
Yeah, yeah, that is all you can do, really, isn't it?

Speaker 5 (01:14:06):
Think? I think it's you got what The onely reasons
I really like Monumentary Star is because you're just kind
of you're basically turning the mirror on the subject and yeah,
you know, saying exactly what they say, making it sound dark,
so that people know how dark it sounds. Yeah, people

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people kind of like leave people people. Actually the audience
actually kind of inserts their own punchline done that way
as well.

Speaker 3 (01:14:35):
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:14:37):
The thing is it all comes from fucking capitalism essentially, right.
The reason that people like it started off with box pops,
you know, where they go out and just say, what's
your opinion of this? And the reason that we do
fucking box pops right, okay, is because either they haven't
got any material or they needed filler, and they need

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cheap filler. Like I was watching this program the other
day and it was one of these motor accident police
blah blah blah, motora killer bastard squad type of things,
and at the end of it, they're like, if you've
got any footage, send us this. And it's like, fuck me,
this is like you've been framed, but with very serious
and often deadly traffic accidents. And it's like such a

(01:15:23):
cheap way of making television. You send us all your material.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
We don't even have to go out and look for it,
Like we'll pay you a nominal fee and then we'll
make a load of money.

Speaker 4 (01:15:33):
But he works on a number of levels. One, it's
dead cheap for say the news people. You go out
on the fucking street with a microphone, ask John Joe public,
what do you think about this? The probably doesn't fucking know,
Like obviously, that's why that's why the news exists.

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
They we're in this sort of bizarre thing where that
the the.

Speaker 4 (01:15:55):
The audience drives what is put out.

Speaker 3 (01:16:00):
I mean, things like news that really shouldn't be the
way news shouldn't pander to ratings and shouldn't pander to
like what the audience likes to hear, like, it should
just tell you the news and and and probably disparate
like dispassionately as well. But but heyho, because like you know,
obviously you've got as well as that sort of political

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influence and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:16:23):
But yeah, this is it. And what happens is it
gives that sort of parasocial relationship, you know, like being
in a fan club or whatever, like and oh god,
like Robbie Williams told me or who was it was?

Speaker 3 (01:16:36):
Mark?

Speaker 4 (01:16:37):
Actually he had a pet iguana called Nirvana, you know,
like and his favorite color was blue. And because of
knowing those facts, I feel so much closer to him.
And but it's but it's it's kind of a similar thing.
You feel like you're involved, and you feel like you're
sort of doing something, and you also feel like you've
got to kind of like like you're being listened to

(01:17:00):
and you're not being listened to. That's the bizarre thing
that the news isn't necessarily interesting what you're saying. It's
just just just in the concept that you've got to say,
it's dictating what you're talking about, and it's not going
to react to it in any meaningful way. It's just
there is a conduit, like it's essentially like you want
to scream into this canyon for ten minutes. Like it's

(01:17:23):
very therapeutic, but in a sort of technological digital way.
And that's why we're in the fucking ridiculous state we
are now. We're like twenty four hour news. You can't
you can't make it entertaining and.

Speaker 3 (01:17:39):
Actually cover stuff for twenty four hours without repeating shit
and without putting filler in, and so we have surveys
and stuff like that.

Speaker 4 (01:17:49):
And it's not it's madness, really, but it's basically because
it's cheap and it feels time.

Speaker 3 (01:17:58):
And that's the entirety of the reason. It serves no
purpose other than to make money. Yes, I was just
going to say exactly the same thing. It doesn't serve
the purpose of serving the public. All it does is
try to make advertising revenue. It's serving the people who
are paying them, that's it. And these platforms with one

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people die as soon as they got eyes on them.
They don't really get that exactly.

Speaker 4 (01:18:25):
Yeah, this is its bombs on seats, Laddie bombs on seats,
like you know, it's a tale as old as time.
But this is the this is the problem is that basically,
when when people rely on on certain things for understanding
and navigating the world, this is where you need sort
of well, you should have regulation, oversight and honesty. And

(01:18:48):
as you're saying earlier, this this idea is like a
global like.

Speaker 12 (01:18:53):
The marketplace of ideas, whatever the thought they're calling it now,
like oh, citizen journalism, fact checkers on Twitter checking everybody else.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
That's not how you do it. That's mobral and often
mobral is not right. And you know, you know, off.

Speaker 4 (01:19:15):
The top of my head, I can't think of a
of an incident where a mob is led to has
got the wrong end of the stick and lead to violence. Oh,
except for all the fucking times that it happened like
so so, so this this is the problem. But again
that's that's the sort of the strange sort of duality

(01:19:36):
of it is that basically makes you feel like you're
an individual with oh, what's the word that I'm looking for?
You are vital. You are informed, you are, you are,
you have.

Speaker 3 (01:19:57):
Not just that that that you are, actually you know of.

Speaker 4 (01:19:59):
You and you're you're doing something that you have cachet
ability the word our gardings anyway, the point being that
it gives yourself esteem by making you think that you're
an important individual, while it's also essentially you're you're the
only task of you being an individual is to be
part of the mob. But because of the way again

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that we folk, you know, you're part of a mob,
sat on your own, on your laptop, you're part of
this massive or you've got an audience watching you. You're
part of that mob, but you're set on your own.

Speaker 3 (01:20:34):
And and do you know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (01:20:36):
This?

Speaker 4 (01:20:36):
This is I wonder everyone's fucking nuts, like it's ragging
you every every which way but loose like it's it's
essentially sort of I'm being hyperbolic here obviously, but it's
like an almost like an induced schizophrenia where the only

(01:20:56):
way that you get any sort of record inities and
an individual is to be part of something larger than
yourself and to give yourself over to a mass, like
being part of the fucking borg.

Speaker 5 (01:21:08):
Yeah, I think a minute goes. Some people get overwhelmed
by the amount of it. It's not their legs. Their
legs to believe they have to care about everything because
there's so much. And I gain regularly with a couple
of people that sort of half generating, you know, early
twenties with twenties sort of thing, and I can notice
the difference between the way they you know, they've grown

(01:21:30):
up with social media. It's almost like that they feel
like they're a bad person because they're not worried and
informed about everything.

Speaker 3 (01:21:37):
Yeah, totally, totally, because people are looking for a respond well,
nobody is that they're looking to see you for a response, obviously,
No one's like everyone's concerned about themselves and how they're
going to respond because everyone is looking at them, even
though nobody's looking at them either. And then it's playground
rules because it's the thing that everyone learned from school.

(01:22:01):
What's the best way to avoid getting picked on? Picking
on people?

Speaker 5 (01:22:05):
You fuck? Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:22:06):
Absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:22:09):
You find you eke out a floor, you eke out
something like a vulnerability, a little chink in the armor
or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:22:17):
You tease that out. You pretend that it's fine. No,
talk about it, tell everyone about it.

Speaker 4 (01:22:23):
Oh, my God, and then then that's the thing, and
this is the thing on the internet, because it is
essentially like Twitter is like a fucking like, it's like
a it's like a it's like a comprehensive school playground.
But ninety percent of the people there also happen to

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be hit the youth.

Speaker 5 (01:22:46):
So you know it's dramatically, isn't it. It's yeah, I've
noticed the obviously everyone's follow accounts what he's talk quite
a bit. But it's like all the eighty ninety percent
and people I used to engage with and have just gone
that this isn't for me more. Ye, And that's you know, shame.
But I don't get to speak to some people anymore.

(01:23:07):
But I don't blame them. You're going to protect your
own You don't have to be a part of this
ship show. It's not essential to our lives, you know.
I've got a bit of a policy about, like I
don't check comments on anything like that before I've done
certain things in my day. I won't check the news
and check comments and check emails and stuff and make

(01:23:29):
sure I've gone for a bit of a walk. I've
only done some work, I've stretched I've got you know,
thought about my day and then not right, okay, then
get to work and then access everything. Because I mean,
I'm in pretty fortunate with I don't it's not going
to play on Earth. I can say to me that
I'm going to take seriously rankly. So I've been eased.

(01:23:51):
He's been quite delicately with getting used to people that
are just one lines just to be you know, the more.
But yeah, if you can put yourself out there and
you get people attacking you, you know, it's yeah, it's
or just even seeing horrible stories. You know I'm saying
I'm seeing I remember I think it was just an

(01:24:12):
article about this kind of thing or video. It was
like twenty years ago, even ten years ago. You might
hear about a shark attack in America, you know, Hawaii, Australia.
Sometimes of a slow news day. Now you wake up
and you see a video of it happening.

Speaker 4 (01:24:29):
Well, like can you remember, like I mean, obviously when
it first came out, But I think we're all of
a certain age where basically when we were first showed faces.

Speaker 3 (01:24:38):
Of death or all that the one with a black.

Speaker 4 (01:24:43):
Color where the cover where somebody was shot with an
AK forty seven at the end killing or murder on
screen and stuff like that, and how taboo that was
and how.

Speaker 3 (01:24:58):
Alien to the mainstream that was nowadays, Like you know,
if I go on Twitter right now about skull for
about three minutes, I'll see somebody getting hit by a
train or jumping off a building or like getting blown
up by buying an rpgen.

Speaker 4 (01:25:19):
You know, all sorts of ship and it's like, yeah,
it's mad, Like so yeah, gone.

Speaker 5 (01:25:26):
Down across the world. I don't know how sure, I
don't know how correct that is across the board to be,
but in general, yeah, like serious questions, it's gone down.

Speaker 4 (01:25:38):
Like this is the thing, Like, in general, this is
the safest time ever to be alive, like you know,
medically and but you know, health and safety wise, violent
crime wise, war wise, like we're pretty fucking looky, Like

(01:26:01):
you know, if I had to pick a time, it
would be now all the future.

Speaker 3 (01:26:05):
Are you totally Are you totally sure about that? Because
I had a debate with someone today on Facebook who
basically said Bristol was like a concentration camp. What today?

Speaker 4 (01:26:19):
Well sorry, what what what in the past or now.

Speaker 3 (01:26:22):
Right now today? Because some cyclists shut off a road
al a the rugged man's playing in.

Speaker 4 (01:26:32):
I don't recall, are the rugged man like playing at
concentration camps?

Speaker 3 (01:26:37):
No, exactly, Like I just I just could not believe
like the audacity, the absolute audacity of this person saying like, yeah,
Bristol is basically like some a concentration camp. And I
replied to them saying, that's a bit dramatic, don't you think?

(01:26:57):
And by bit dramatic, I mean ridiculously over dramatic, incredibly
insensitive and one of the dumbest comparisons I've ever heard. Seriously,
give your head a wobble, like and then if anyone
knows Tony Gosling he's a conspiracy thing from bb from
he used to be on the BBC. He's in Bristol.

(01:27:19):
I kind of know the guy from like many years
and everything. I know that bastard went and deleted my
reply fascist.

Speaker 4 (01:27:31):
Oh like years ago than he'd like he started out
relatively sensibly.

Speaker 3 (01:27:38):
Yeah, he's just a lunatic because he started off with
like the Builder birk stuff. He was like really into
the Builder Birg stuff, which is good, you know, it's
good to expose kind of the lobbying and everything that
goes on but he went he's gone right off the
right off the deep end. He's like talking about the
deep state and everything. Now, I think I think that

(01:27:59):
happened at some point.

Speaker 5 (01:28:00):
Well I start off, I start off with something they
really genuinely believe in, just raise awareness for, and then
they're like, oh.

Speaker 3 (01:28:11):
No, I know, I know, Tony, I'm but no, he
believes it because he's gone into the religious extremist version
of it basically, so he's full in belief with this.

Speaker 4 (01:28:25):
Well totally totally, But this is the thing, steam Like,
it gets to a point with it where you're like
you have to make a decision like if you can't
sort of like bridge the gap and sort of like
traverse the sort of like reality and the conspiracy world. Like,
for example, a lot of people who working who are

(01:28:47):
very heavily in conspiracies, they can't hold down jobs and
stuff like that because because if you believe that ship,
you don't want to contribute to the system all, so
you become fucking insufferable. Also because if you sort of
set of values and stuff like that, there are certain
things that you will and will not do and blah

(01:29:08):
blah blah. So I think with people like telling you, Gosling,
delling Pole, Richard D. Hall, and there twenty more that
I could name. They got to a point where it
was like either I go, ah, I've sort of wasted
my entire life for the last ten years, or you

(01:29:30):
fucking go full board with it. And I think that's
what's happened with it. They they're sort of through through
various circumstances. People are pushed into a situation where it's
like joining a cool it's like joining the fucking moon
is or something, right, okay, And every time you go
and see your dad or your parents or whatever, they're
telling you that the moon is a fucking ludicrous At

(01:29:52):
some point that's going to force you into the moon is,
do you know what I mean? Or scientology or whatever.
And I I think that happens. And it also happens because,
particularly in recent years, in order to be part of
this club, you have to believe increasingly fucking stupid ship,

(01:30:13):
like all vaccines are bad, that COVID was fake, and
it's like, yeah, I mean, I don't know what you saw,
but I watched people die in a fucking worldwide pandemic.
And the sort of the mental gymnastics that is required
to pretend that nothing happened is astonishing, but people will

(01:30:34):
do that in order to be part of a group,
part of a collective, and to be and to have
an understanding of the world.

Speaker 5 (01:30:44):
People think they.

Speaker 13 (01:30:45):
Can talk to dragons. Beg you panis sorry those people
think they can talk to dragons. Yeah, yeah, that's just
made up. Yeah, I mean, has happened, and they got
that sort of stuff wrong. But I don't know how
it going look like. So I've been one lately about people.

Speaker 3 (01:31:04):
Can't right okay, where someone tried to explain to the
entire crowd and she was genuinely serious that clouds were
actually dragons in disguise.

Speaker 5 (01:31:14):
Amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:31:15):
Yeah, Like it was fucking like and half the audience like,
this bitch is mental, but half the audience were like, well,
let's hear her out.

Speaker 4 (01:31:28):
I've also been at one where basically like a woman
had taken a series of photos across the years and
she captured angels. Angels in these pictures were layers. She
just over the course of twenty years had had five
or six photos where there will happen to be a

(01:31:50):
lens flare in it. She was convinced there were angels.

Speaker 3 (01:31:55):
Oh yeah, yeah, totally, like yeah, and and and then
and that's.

Speaker 4 (01:32:02):
Even before we get into the fucking super soldiers, Like
I vividly remember I can't even remember this guy's fucking name.
He's got black hair, long black hair. He looks a
bit like he to being an industrial metal band. And
I remember vividly him doing it a talk and he
opened it.

Speaker 3 (01:32:23):
He's opening gambit was, the doctors will tell you that
I've got schizoid affective disorder, but actually I'm a super
soldier that works with the government. Write that down, Steve,
that we can have that in the in the That's serious,

(01:32:49):
That's what he said.

Speaker 5 (01:32:50):
And then I don't laugh loudly.

Speaker 3 (01:32:55):
People wanted to know it was. That was the thing.
The venue was like ever ever except for me and
my girlfriend at the time, was like, yeah, the government's
out to get you. I remember vividly turning to my girlfriend.
The guys motherfuckers in insane people can.

Speaker 4 (01:33:21):
The doctors will tell you that I have schizoid effective disorder,
but actually I'm a super soldier that works for the government.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
And I've been in a jump room tomorrows oh talking
about how I forget what instant it was. He said
that he was involved in. There was a riot. It
may have even been the the ones after that Chappy
Bandok's dad was shot.

Speaker 4 (01:33:50):
Mark Doggan may have even been that or something. And
he was and he was trying to explain that basically,
I was sat there on the streets because I've been
sent out there to like, you know, to stop them.
Like he was going out like a fucking vigilante, like
he's fucking raw shack or something like that, right, And
and he said, I've got a phone call from g

(01:34:14):
h Q, And it was James Casbol, who went to
prison after sharing videos of him shitting on his wife's
chest in revenge porn and trying to blackmail her billionaire father.
That that's the story, anyway, he said.

Speaker 3 (01:34:35):
I told him that that is the story.

Speaker 4 (01:34:39):
But anyway, so this guy was basically saying that, like
in the middle of the riots, he got a phone
call from from James Casbol who was sat in g
g h Q watching them on their Secrets DC TV
network and saying, good job, man, good job with all
those those rioters. And it's like, fucking now, this is
this puss fantasist. But but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:35:03):
Wow, okay, I think that probably is probably the best
place before me and Neil finish off and like have
our final words, Steve, please tell people where they can
find your stuff, where they can find your mockumentary.

Speaker 5 (01:35:20):
So I'm not commens is on YouTube and it's linked
to all my socials, including this one. So yeah, it's
it's out now. I've got deleted sayings coming the Conspiracist
on YouTube. That's the end of the channel. And so yeah,
it's the more commencing about someone who thinks, yeah, this
fat And it's not thank you very much. It is

(01:35:45):
aw It is.

Speaker 4 (01:35:46):
Very, very funny, and it's one of those if you
like spinal Tap, if you like The Office, if you
like awkward humor.

Speaker 3 (01:35:55):
And it's so layered.

Speaker 4 (01:35:56):
I've watched it three or four times now and I
keep spotting a new thing like and that's that's to me.
It's like the the the the mark of quality layered
work is brilliant.

Speaker 5 (01:36:10):
There's one thing that no one's got thank you for that. Yeah,
But there's one thing that no one actually picked up
on that I thought was it was there's one picture
on my wall in the scene in my flat that's
it accidentally got in there. I have no idea why
but when we were like when I was get all
those memes made for some reason, when I got the

(01:36:32):
envelopes back on the front art there was a picture
of Bill Cosby in then I just thought, fuck it,
I'm going to put it on the wall anyway. The
sunlight is sort of glaring on the wall and it's

(01:36:53):
sort of you can't really see him saytically. Well, I
thought that was even more just. I just I wonder
if I can one of people even pick up on it,
but no, thank you, Yeah, I mean I did. I
did try and write it so that it's quite you know,
it's it's it's it's a slow paced sort of thing.
You know, it's that awkward humor, like you know, people

(01:37:18):
saying it's simious sort of spinal tap. I mean, I'm
exciting at the office and people just do nothing, so
there's obviously inspiration. So yeah, I mean, you know, as
you guys have said it, it's I'm not just taking
the pitch out of them, and you know, I try
and keep it a bit more humor as well as
it's not just I don't like, I've never liked the

(01:37:40):
sort of content that is just pointing at someone and
going stupid.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
It's not at all like it's.

Speaker 4 (01:37:48):
It's it's very well observed.

Speaker 3 (01:37:52):
There's a lot of depth to it.

Speaker 4 (01:37:54):
And like the very fact that basically a lot of
people sort of like get in touch and you you
fucking idiot, is to say testament to how well written
it is and well how well observed it is.

Speaker 5 (01:38:04):
Yeah, I mean, I've had ask you that. Funnily enough,
since we've been chatting tonight, I've had I've had a
flat earth. They comment on it, going, I can't believe
that some globers think this is real. They understand, they understand,
but yeah, they're laughing that some people do that. Some
people say up going like this is ridiculous. What are

(01:38:26):
you talking about? Mate? And it's I'm not trying to
stall anyone, you know, it's meant to I like to
think there's some tell signs in there to me, they
just haven't if someone's watched the entire thirty minutes and
don't pick up on the fact that it's a joke.
And then it does say in the title and on
the thumbnail mockumentary. You know, it does say that the

(01:38:47):
spicture this is the work of fiction. And in spite
of that they get that just you know, they just
go to show me that some people are too eager
just to have a proper people. They're not there to debunk,
they're not there to help people out of a rabbit hole.

Speaker 3 (01:39:02):
No's made themselves feel better.

Speaker 5 (01:39:04):
Yeah, I think I think of some of it is.
I think some people not in the terms, but it's
almost like it's justified bullying. They want to be a bully.
They find someone they think, they try and find a
demographic that they justify to themselves with and sometimes yea,
they all got they're so stupid. Well necessarily frankly, I've

(01:39:26):
done you know, quite a lot of I think quite intelligent.
I think they just there's a slide indoors moment where
they distrusted rather than trusted and you know, experts, and
they went one way and said of the other.

Speaker 3 (01:39:40):
I myself, I total I really revel in the fact
of like when I post your videos saying surely this
is satire, you know, just to wind those people at
that think that it might actually be real.

Speaker 5 (01:39:56):
Yeah. I mean, Rosie Holt was someone that she give
me a few ideas just with their style and and whatnot.
She's I don't think she's done so much online lately.

Speaker 14 (01:40:06):
But you you go, yeah, yeah, yeah, does that MP's Yeah,
she cheated it all.

Speaker 5 (01:40:17):
We I mean again, is you what is she? What's her?
It's pretty obvious really that she's taken a pis Oh yeah,
it's just just close enough to that line for people
to to doubt it.

Speaker 3 (01:40:31):
No, she's absolutely incredible, And to be fair, she's also
one of my people on my bucket list, but not
actually bucket list. She's on the list of people that
we're going to hopefully get on this show at some point.
We go, So, Neil, have you got any final words
for the people listening right now? And I'll be seeing

(01:40:53):
the people who will be listening in the future, will
be released this on the podcast.

Speaker 1 (01:41:00):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:41:00):
When I'm king, there's gonna be some fucking changes around here, right,
So what do you mean when you are you are excellent?

Speaker 4 (01:41:14):
No, I just want to say thank you, like really, like,
I know sometimes we can come across as well, sometimes
I can come across this bit of a tick, but.

Speaker 3 (01:41:22):
We genuinely do really like.

Speaker 4 (01:41:25):
We're hugely grateful for anyone listening and anybody that's that
has been kind enough to say anything nice about us.
Or to leave a comment on Spotify or anywhere. Just
just without people support, this would be fairly pointless. And
it's it's great that people seem to like it. But

(01:41:48):
thank you and thank you really genuinely thank you. It
gives us sort of thing to do.

Speaker 11 (01:41:54):
With our lives, you remember that old times, Well, thank
you very much, like but but but but yeah, you know,
if nobody was listening, it just me beat.

Speaker 4 (01:42:06):
I was screaming out the window, which is just an average.

Speaker 3 (01:42:09):
Thursday for me.

Speaker 4 (01:42:10):
But but yeah, so yeah, thanks, thanks a lot, and
thanks to everybody that that Thanks to anyone it's been
kind of to be a Patreon and thank you to
everyone that's that's left as a positive review, a nice comment,
any of that is just it's brilliant.

Speaker 3 (01:42:27):
Thank you exactly. And you know, I want to amplify
everything that you just said, but first I want to
say thank you to the two people that joined us
and said something that they Dan Pugsley, thank you so much.
Thank you for your support, Like it's meant a whole
lot to us. Nicholas Gray, mate, it's meant so much

(01:42:48):
that you you went out and you made this this
logo for us and this artwork for us. You know,
I asked you if we could commission a piece, and
you were like, mate, I support what you do fully,
And it was one of the first people who I
had already respected who came out and gave us that support. Mate,

(01:43:11):
like Nicholas, thank you so much. For anyone listening, Please
go to this robot dreaming dot com. Go and look
at this man's artwork. It's fucking phenomenal. Okay, go go
lie his merchandise, because his t shirts, his artwork, his comics, everything,

(01:43:31):
it's fantastic. It's so cool, it's like nothing like you've
ever seen before. It's absolutely wicked. So the people who
are joining us right now, I won't say all your
names because I know sometimes you might not want your
names we said, but I can see all of you
right and I've known all of you for many years,

(01:43:52):
and I really, really, genuinely appreciate your support, every retweet,
every like, every comment that you've given me, like I
desperately want to say thank you to you. To our
listeners who listen on Spotify, who listen on Apple, thank you,
thank you so much for listening. Thank you so much

(01:44:13):
for commenting sharing. I'm really, I really appreciate the messages
that we get that, you know, when someone says, oh,
my my friend or my family member has fallen down
this and you guys have given me not only hope
but a way to actually engage with these people. That

(01:44:36):
that means absolutely fucking everything to me. Is so it's
so important because that's exactly what we wanted to do

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