Vulture Wars (The Murder of Charlie Kirk)

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
So they're call it conspiracy.

Speaker 2 (00:16):
Welcome to some darcolic conspiracy with Brentley and Neil Sanders.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
As the planet spirals into a fascist dystopia, we thought
someone really should keep a record of this decline so
that when the aliens are sifting through the ashes of
civilization they might be able to see where it all
went wrong.

Speaker 2 (00:34):
This is the world according to some or as.

Speaker 3 (00:38):
All the hepcats are calling it twat. So Charlie Kirk
was right wing, some would say far right wing propagandists.
His main thing of reason was to go to universities

(00:58):
and college is we can and things like that and
debate students, and I say debate in inverted comments because
these students, though passionate, did not always have the life
experience that is sometimes required for traversing complicated topics. Charlie
Kirk would also use a lot of cheap rhetorical tricks
to give the impression that he was a better debater

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than he was. But he did do it a lot,
so we could say quite truthfully that Charlie Kirk was
a right wing mass debater. But when he does these
debates with adults, it mostly comes unstuck. This often happens
when he goes against teens as well. But he was originally,
for example, made to look very foolish at Oxford University

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when people were able to respond to his rhetoric with
facts and logic. So what is it that Charlie Kirk
did well? In twenty twenty twelve, he founded Turning Point USA,
which is it's a conservative organization that is attempting to
soft sell hard conservative ideology to students through this prism

(02:03):
of well, just asking questions. Perhaps you haven't thought about
it like this. It's a contrick. It's selling ideas masked
behind a veneer of public decency. But Turning Point is
also the organization that's launched the careers of people like
Candice Owens for example. A lot of people say, ah,

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that's the thing that we liked about Charlie. He sort
of he brought himself up, struggled up by his bootstraps
and all that. This is not true like Turning Point
USA was started with a huge amount of money given
to them by Republican Megadona Foster. Stephen Frice Foster Fries,
as most people know him, He's a man who's been
described as Islamophobic, bigoted, and opposed to women's reproductive rights,

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and he gives a huge amount of money to all
sorts of right when Christian organizations. He's, for example, given
three million dollars to Tucker Carlson's Daily Caller. And so
essentially what Turning Point USA is to do is to
advocate for conservative politics, usually in high schools, colleges, and

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university campuses, although it does have its own sort of conference,
if you will, a conference that basically launched the career
of Nicholas Winters because his fans would turn up purposely
just to attack Charlie Kirk at these events in order
to try and get into shift his position to be
even further right wing than he already was. Now. Turning

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Point USA is a free speech absolutist. It advocates free speech,
and it likes to speak at university. So obviously one
of the things that Turning Point USA was very heavily
involved with was drawing up what could be considered an
enemy's list. Did you know about this Turning Point USA's

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Professor's List. Yeah, this is a free speech organization that
decided that what they should do is draw up a
watch list of people they thought were saying the wrong things,
and in their own words, who discriminate against conservative students,
promote anti American values, and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.
Charlie Kirk and Turning Point USA have promoted the ideas

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of cultural Marxism, the idea of the great replacement theory,
and he's made several statements that many have described as racist, transphobic, homophobic, xenophobic,
and sexist. Now on September the tenth, whilst attending one
of these debate events, a video began to circulate that
seemed to show Kirk being shot from a distance. I

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was doom scrolling on Twitter or as you do, and
all of a sudden it was flooded with people saying
pray for Charlie Kirk, and there was a fairly blurry
video just about make him out and appeared to be
a gunshot or a loud noise, and he'd sort of
rolled back to the left. It was not long after

(05:01):
that that a far more graphic close up version was shown,
which it is. You know, it's very clear that something
very wrong has happened to Charlie Kirk in this kind
of owens. Various people like that immediately started saying prayers,
thoughts and prayers. Tim Poole, who is an online far

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right commentator, stated that he had personal contact with the
hospital and that Charlie was actually stable, that they'd managed
to get him back into a stable condition whious in hospital,
but this turned out to be not accurate, and this
was recorded in reported sorry in The Guardian. Charlie Kirk,

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the founder of the powerful right wing youth activist group
Turning Point USA and a close ally of Donald Trump,
was fatally shot on Wednesday afternoon whout speaking at a
university campus in Utah. His death shocked the nation as
members of both political parties expressed outrage at the killing.
Spencer Cox, the Utah governor, called the shooting a political assassination,

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though a motive is not yet known and the shooter
remained at large on Wednesday night, Kirk was killed while
speaking on the campus of Utah Valley University near Salt
Lake City as part of his American comeback tour. Details
about the shooter's identity and motive are still unknown, but
state authorities said that they believed that the incident was

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a targeted attack. Kirk was about twenty minutes into a
presentation when a single shot was fired at him, the
university said. Trump announced Kirk's death in a social media
post and ordered all American flags to be lowered to
half staff in honor of the thirty one year old
conservative youth leader. Trump wrote, the great and even Ledgerdary
Charlie Kirk is dead, adding he was loved and admired

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by all, especially me, and now he's no longer with us.
The president, along with other prominent conservatives, was also quick
to found the flames of division by blaming the radical
left political violence for Klerk's killing. In a speech the
Oval Office, Trump called Kirk one of the best of
America and listed acts of violence that he attributed to

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the left, whilst omitting violence against Democrats, such as the
killing of a Minnesota state lawmaker. He said, for years,
those on the radical left have compared wonderful Americans like
Charlie to Nazis and the world's worst mass murderers and criminals.
This kind of rhetoric is directly responsible for the terrorism
that we're seeing in our country today, and it must

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stop right now, Trump said in his speech. Through the day,
two suspects were separately taken into custody, but ultimately released.
One person detained at the scene, George Zinn, was deemed
not to be a suspect, but was charged with obstructing justice.
A second person taken into custody was released after being interviewed.
Neither had ties to the shooting. According to the University,

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the person who was debating had asked about if he
knew how many mass shootings had involved a transgender shooter,
to which Kirk responded, to which Kirk responded, and then
he asked how many mass shootings there had been in
the last couple of years. And before he could even answer,
we heard a gunshot and we just saw Charlie Kirk's
neck turn to the side and it appeared that he
had been shot in the neck. There was blood immediately,

(08:12):
a lot of blood, Pitt said. After the shots were fired,
everybody immediately took to the ground. We were just trying
to stay hidden. Actually, these last words were to try
and sort of disparage black people by saying, does that
include gang shootings in that? So you know that is
not entirely accurate. So the response on Twitter was immediate,

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and one person who was remarkably sensible was David Ike
who tweeted out, no one deserves this. I disagreed with
him on almost everything, but violence is never an answer.
The question, as always in these tragedies, is who benefits.
They want civil war in America and Europe. It's closer

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than even now, than ever now, and so is tyranny. Fortunately,
that will be the response. Early reports say it was
a professional sniper from some distance. Is exactly what you'd expect.
You can think left or right, or you can be
street wise and think that the force, the cult that
works through both left and right. As always, the outcome

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will tell you everything. And we've discussed this before, like
this is David working backwards like he knows what is
happening because he already knows what the outcome's supposed to be,
which is not a brilliant way to live your life.
But never mind. There's also had thoughts. Candice Owens, who
actually was a friend of Charlie. Without Charlie Kirks, she

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wouldn't have had the career that she had. That's definitely true.
She tweeted out, who called the hit on Charlie. We
need answers, so immediately she's signed trying to say that
this is a professional job. David Ike already said that

(10:03):
basically reports indicate this was a professional hit man. It's like,
what reports? Sorry, what is it that your knowledge of
professional hit men and snipers that indicates that something is
amiss here. Some had even gone to for d chessprend
already Jamie Ike, who is the son of the son

(10:25):
of God. He tweeted out, this was a professional hit
The old man they arrested was a decoy to take
away from the looking for the actual shooter. So then
you ask the question who benefits from this now? Other
inquiring minds were prepared to go even deeper than this
particular mind experiment. Lei Lanie Dowding. She tweeted out, what

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would a professional do if they wanted to make it
look like an amateur? No, No, that's brilliant. Like what
she telling me, there is to don't look at the evidence,
think about what the person who did it would want

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you to think. The evidence meant. It's not that shit
when you say it like that. Someone responded to her
and said, because he thinks that maybe she's on something.
A hit man would not be seen and disappear. There
would be paid distractions in place. Look over here, and
not where I am trajectory will prove in my opinion,

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the hit man was near and on the steps with
a very advanced military weapon. And Leilani Dowding responds, there
were distractions, people were confessing and acting as decoys, and
so this is the beginning of two immediate conspiracy theories
that have risen within essentially seconds of the announcement of

(11:56):
Charlie Kirk's death, that it must be a professional hit,
and that the apparent shooter who seemed to be using
some sort of a rifle from a distance away, they
weren't the actual shooter. Now, when they're talking about distractions
in the crowd, this is a reference to George Zinn.
George Sinn is a man who made a scene at

(12:19):
the campus just after Kirk was shot, and he said,
and I quote, I shot him, now shoot me to
the officers that were trying to arrest him, and when
asked by an officer where the weapon used in the
shooting was located, he respended. He responded, I'm not going
to tell you. According to the documents, so this is

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obviously a very disturbed individual. But the internet seized on
this straight away because he was arrested and was shouting
that he'd done it, so immediately everybody thought that George
Sin was the actual culprit, and the Internet went absolutely wild,
pointing out out two things about George Sin. That he

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had the look of a pro of a typical leftist,
crazed antifer type person, which I'm not entirely sure what
that means by any suggestion, and others pointed out that
he looked Jewish, and I know exactly what that means,
and it's disgusting. Then David decides to jump into this.

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David Dyke decides to jump back into the foray and
he swings for the Fencers with some wild speculation. He
actually reposts this, but because he's reposted its agree with it.
This is from a man called Ian Smith, Senior. Ian
Smith fitness no idea what this guy is, but he
confidently states there is absolutely no doubt that Charlie Kirk

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was killed by an intelligence grade assassin. This was not
a crazy leftist or some random civilian. A well placed
shot from two hundred yards out down angled from a rooftop,
directly in the neck. Precision like that doesn't come from
a protester with a grudge. It comes from someone who's
drilled this a thousand times under military glass. Whoever is

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behind this a well was a highly skilled marksman who
had logistics support and funding, with a well executed retreat plan.
Absolutely nothing feels right about this expert military analysis there
from Ian Smith, who appears to work in fitness. So anyway,

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that's what David Ike was leaning towards. Immediately though, a
lot of people on the right started to foment the
anger that Trump had tried to stoke. Essentially, Matt Walsh,
who's a commentator on the internet said tweeted, sorry, the

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entire riot has to band together. Enough of this infighting bullshit.
We're up against demonic for from the pit of Hell.
They're killing us in our churches. They tried to kill
our president. They killed Charlie, one of our greatest advocates.
Put the personal squabbles aside, and you know, thank god

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he's not being melodramatic. But David Ike responds to this
by saying, that's the script. Get behind Trump, support him whatever,
Forget the Epstein files and the Trump letter. Don't ask
who benefits from what happened to Charlie Kirk. And this
is interesting because this is pretty much. The only mention
of Epstein that the conspiracy conspiracy world seemed to want

(15:38):
to touch on. What David's suggesting there is that the
press was all over what was known as the Epstein
Birthday Book, which was it was a book that was
sent to Jeffrey Epstein on his fiftieth birthday that was
full of creepy photos and jokes and poems and notes

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from people such as Bill Clinton and Donald Trump. Specifically,
there was a poem which Donald Trump has denied existed,
then claimed was fake, then claimed wasn't his signature, And
it transpires that it is real. It is his signature
by the looks of it, and it has the outline
of a woman, and it appears to be and that

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the signature is there to BEI pubic hair on the
outline of this woman. And it's a poem that seems
to be about keeping delicious secrets with Jeffrey Epstein, one
of the world's most notorious pedophiles. The Clinton ref entries
even weirder. Have you seen it, Brent? It's a picture

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of Jeffre Epstein on a beach giving children sweets and balloons,
and then there's an arrow indicating that flash forward to
twenty years in the future, and the same girls, now
slightly older, are massaging a topless jeffre Epstein. And this
appears to be like it appears to be a drawing

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that was drawn by Bill Clinton.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
No, I have not seen that.

Speaker 3 (17:07):
Well, there's this picture, right, No, Seriously, the book is
fucked up. It's really really messed up. It's full of
all sorts of things that, in hindsight don't look good. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
I've heard a bit about the book, but I didn't
didn't hear.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
About that one.

Speaker 3 (17:23):
There's quite a few very very strange things in there.
But as David quite rightly points out, nobody's talking about
that specifically. Alex Jones is not talking about that because
let's imagine this is years ago. Obama is president or
George Bush's president. Well, Bill Clinton is president, and they

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are attached to being friends with one of the world's
most notorious pedophiles that may well have that died in
custody whilst they were president. Alex chansaby all over it.
Que bono who benefits? It looks like Donald Trump might
have had Charlie Kirk killed to distract the people from

(18:08):
the Epstein scandal. Is the sort of thing that might
have been said years ago. But no, that's really not
what happened. Alex Jones basically says that the left did it.
That's all he says. Immediately, he says, it's obvious that
this is somebody on the left. David Iyke actually responds

(18:30):
to him on Twitter as always the barely one that
I mentioned. A response from Alex Jones, no nuance, no
shades of gray, just buying the obvious and taking the
bait from the very deep state. He now pledges to
fight because the left did it. Calm clear heads needed
to see through the smoke screens to the truth and
the research of all possibilities for what happened and why

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Alex Jones will never have that calm clear head. And
that's why divide and rule is so easy. Now, it
very much looks like David Ike is being sensible here
and asking for evidence. He is not. Whereas Alex Jenes
has already jumped to the conclusion that this is the
left or somebody on the left, or somebody that basically

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is an enemy that he can monetize in his quest
against them, David Ike has already decided that he knows
it too and it's the cult now, just to remind
people who David like thinks the Cult are are a
bunch of Sabot and Francis, which is secret Jews that

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don't pretend aren't Jews but actually are Jews in a
way to demonize the rest of the Jews. But actually
they're demonic reptilian aliens from the Draco constellation, which actually,
when you say it out loud, is fairly sensible. But anyway,
so David is not is not being is very sort

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of like disingenuous in his position of coming from a calm,
clear standpoint that he was not, by any stretch the worst.
Harrison Smith, who is a bit of a weirdo that
works on Info Wars and has incredibly right wing views,
he decided that he knew who it was, and he

(20:21):
tweeted out who he quote tweeted himself. I posted this
nearly a month ago. Yes it's true, My source was secondhand,
but it came up during a conversation about right wing
Zionist influencers. And what had happened was that on August
the thirteenth of this year, Harrison Smith had tweeted out,

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I'm not going to name names, but I was told
by someone close to Charlie Kirk that Charlie thinks Israel
will kill him if he turns against them. Dunt dun dunh.
And obviously everybody goes fucking batshit for this to like
in the comments, everyone's like, well, that makes sense because

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and their logic seems to be that Israel is evil
and to a lesser extent, but noble potently through the
thread that they seem to claim that Jews in general
are evil, and so it's likely that they are the
assassins of Charlie Kirk. There's no evidence to back this up,
but fact schmacks, there's Jews to bash, and Harrison Smith

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and all the people in the comments are all over this. Now,
this is a bit of a strange turn for the
turn up for the books, because on August thirteenth, when
Harrison Smith had originally posted that Charlie Kirk was frightened
that Israel were going to kill, somebody called Tommy Borham

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responded they would if Charlie turned he on Israel, they
would have somebody shoot him at an open air event,
and they would have some idiot groper with a genetically
anomalous issue there to be the Patsy slash fall guy,
part of why you never make a dear with the
devil in the first place. Damn Ain't that a coincidence? So,

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I mean, that was just a thing. Basically. Jackson Hinkle,
who is a right wing commentator or far right wing
connotated to be quite honest, had some thoughts about the
murder of Charlie Kirk. And he's basically sort of summarized
what a lot of people on Twitter seem to be suggesting,

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and he lists. He says, of Charlie Kirk, he used
to be an Israel loyalist. He feared that Israel would
kill him, started mildly criticizing Israel. He said that Epstein
was Mossad, He let anti Zionists speak at his events.
Zionist media starts attacking him. Someone shoots him in his

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jugular two hundred yards away. Nettaya, who tweets within minutes,
perhaps he gets arrested and acts guilty. Assassin escapes without
a trace, and Nethan Yahoo tweets a longer message. Somebody
tells me that they're not going to tell us the
truth about who killed Charlie Kirk. And so that was

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that was the general opinion. And there's several things really
like that we should address. One, there's absolutely nothing to
suggest that he was murdered by Mossad. In fact, that's
the sort of delusions of grandeur on the part of
the right wing. I suppose that we have a member
that is so dangerous to this secret world order that
they would they would execute him, And that's just silly,

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that's absolutely completely silly. It's there's nothing to suggest that
at all. And then this idea that he was a
professional hit man, because I don't mean to be graphic,
but people said that they he hit him directly in
the jugular, directly in the in the in the jugular
or the carteroid, artery or whatever, which caused incredible fast bleeding.

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And it's like, are you suggesting that that's where the
assassin was aiming.

Speaker 2 (24:04):
That's quite fought.

Speaker 3 (24:07):
Do you think that that, yeah, that that's stuff the
old technique to in the neck, Like, don't be don't
be ridiculous, Like, it's far more likely than he was
aiming either for his hearts or his head, and it's
just that that's where he happened to hit. It's more
likely that he got lucky with the shot, so to speak.

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I'm not saying Hurrah, Charlie Kirk got shot. I'm saying
that that that he probably just about missed him. Like, so,
all this nonsense about it being a professional assassin's like, yeah, God,
your wower's David Ike who lives in ride in the
island of right to tell her? Tell us about all

(24:47):
your your knowledge of professional hit men and assassins, like
fuck off. Like I guarantee the closest they've got is
watching American Sniper or something like that. But suddenly, again,
everyone's a fucking expert on the internet. Oh, this is
an expert, this is a hit man. This has all
the hallmarks of an intelligence agency. Right, If it has

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all the hallmarks of either a professional assassin or an
intelligence agency, they're not a particularly good professional assassin or
intelligence agency because they've already given away the game that
it was them, unless that blot like Leigh Laney Downing
was saying that actually it was an amateur who wanted

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it to look like a professional, so he made it
look like it was by an amateur. Anyway, there was
one person sensible, genuinely sensible. As all the shit was
flying around Mike Rothschild, fabulous journalist, friend of the show

(25:54):
as guy, brilliant author. He tweeted out, don't be prized
if whoever killed Charlie Kirk has no coherent political ideology,
didn't do it for any particular reason, and doesn't fall
anywhere neatly on the left right paradigm. And before anyone
starts saying, well, yeah, but he's a roth Child, obviously

(26:15):
he's got inside. She's not that ross. It just happens
to be a name. Now, somebody else that decided that
it wasn't Israel was promoter of Israel, Laura Luma. Laura
Luma decided to jump on Twitter and point out, if

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you're posting that Charlie Kirk was assassinated by Israel, you
have a mental illness. It's called paranoid schizophrenia. And I'm
starting to doubt that Laura Luma is a registered psychiatrist
or psychologist, because she should know that you should never
never diagnose somebody from a distance like that. So at

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the very very least, she's broken professional ethics there anyway,
Ian Carol, who is not a fan of Israel, shay
He decided to respond to her by picking apart the
lack of logic in her thread and pointing out some

(27:20):
salient facts that some people might not have known. Oh no,
he didn't know. What he said was that's pretty ironic
for you to be telling anyone about mental illness, Laura.
And what that is a reference to is the fact
that for some reason, Laura Lumer is not allowed to
own a gun. Did you know about this? No, Laura

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Lumur is not allowed to own a weapon now, she
claims and has claimed that she's being persecuted for her
personal political beliefs. This is Laura Luma that has been
rumored to be quite close as a confidante of the
President to the United States of America. Because of her
controversial political beliefs, according to her, she's not allowed to

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keep a gun now. Maloianapolis interviewed her father allegedly, and
her father allegedly said that he had to section Laura
against her will because she had an episode a couple
of times, and that is why she's not allowed to

(28:27):
have a gun now. In all fairness, apparently her dad
has gone back on this interview. So and it's very
difficult to know what the actual story is because every
single person involved in that is a liar. But let's
not get bogged down in that. So Ashton Forbes, Who've
got no idea who he is, but he's some sort
of right wing ravel rouser on the internet. He's pretty

(28:50):
pissed off with Ian Caroll because Ian keeps saying that
it's definitely, definitely Israel, and he said He responds to
Ian said, I mean, you did invent a completely your narrative,
not based in reality, to take advantage of the death
of a man. That is pretty fucked up, dude, which
seems to be accurate. However, Ian Karral responds, watch my

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stream from yesterday, I go through the evidence and trying
to make sure we have the whole picture when a
major political assassination takes place. Is not trying to take
advantage of the death of a man, but it is.
It absolutely is. And he doesn't so much goes through
the evidence as looks for possible reasons why it might
be Israel. But and it's very interesting, so we're not

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going to go through with that. But he was not
the only person making this claim. Max Blumenthal, who apparently
is a journalist but is essentially a right wing lunatic.
He went on, and this is always the place to
go when you've got serious, groundbreaking news about the assassination

(29:58):
of of a political commentator buy a foreign nation, which
would be essentially an act of war. The best place
to break this news is on the podcast by comedian
Tim Dillon. And so that's where he went, because that's
how you know he's a serious journalist.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
I thought you were going to say fresh and fit.

Speaker 3 (30:17):
Then well nearly it was either going to be fresh
and fit or him or Theo vonn for crying out loud.
But like, yeah, like now he went on Tim Dillon,
and Tim Dillon basically gives credit to Max Blumenthal, who's
saying that Israel did it. He says that Max Muntell
said that the Trump administration officials told him that it's
possible Israel had Charlie Kirk and the FBI is covering

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it up. And Tim Dillon says that Max Blumenthal is
credible by saying, you're a reporter, you're not. You're not
a crazy person. You grew up in Washington, d C.
You have connections to a lot of these people, you
have sources, which is not true. But anyway, but let's
just have a look at that like that someone in

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the Trump administration told Max Blumenthal, a journalist, that Israel
had Charlie Kirk killed, and the FBI is covering up
the fact that Israel had Charlie Kirk killed. Why what? Right? Okay?
Fair enough? And again it all depends on people going
that is exactly the sort of thing that Israel would do,

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and it's just silly. Alex Jones, who never wants to
be left behind with any possibility for making money, now
starts saying on Twitter that shot was taken by a professional.
An expert analyzes Charlie Kirk assassin, sniper spot and the
line of sight, and so he's already suggesting again, because

(31:49):
that's the current mood, is that there's no way an
amateur made this shot. There's absolutely no way that it
wasn't a professional. And again it boils down to two things.
One because they kind of want it to be a professional,
because ooh, isn't that exciting day of the Jackalula fem
Nikita stuff like that. And two because that would inflate

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the importance of Charlie Kirk to a level beyond what
is reasonable. But then a new angle starts to be
introduced into the conversation, somebody from the ATF leaks an
idea that there is pro trans rhetoric engraved on the

(32:34):
bullet casings that have been found at the scene, and
Alex Jones decides that, wow, this is now what's going on,
and he tweets out there is no evidence that Israel
killed Charlie Kirk. What we do know is that a
hyper violent transrage movement has been carrying out mass murders
and other killings across the United States. The ATFDHS has

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now reported that Charlie Kirk's assassin left the rifle and
showcasing it used at the scene that had anti fascist,
pro trans messages carved into the implements of death. And
I'll just say, now, we don't know that there's a
hyper violent transrage movement carrying out mass murders and other
killings across the United States unless they're doing it very

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very quietly. This is just nonsense. This is the idea
that is being put forward that, well, have you noticed
that all these school shooters are trans people? It's like, no,
a very very tiny minority of school shooters are trans people.
Like because there's trans people in society, that's it. And

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It's despicable that people would try and make that argument,
because essentially, what you're doing there is helping the murder
the murderers of children by downplaying other ideologies and other
reasons for it and pretending that this is the reason
you're delegitimizing the deaths of so many children because you

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want to hate trans people. Is it really worth it?
Is it anyway? So Alex says that it's a satanic
leftist transcull and where he has got this from anybody's
watching clue, but he repeats it a lot, that it's
a satanic leftist transcult. Ike David Ike actually responds to

(34:21):
Alex sweets and says, don't know who killed Charlie Kirk,
and we won't know even after every arrest, until all
the credible evidence presented, questioned and poured over and not
just accepted because the authorities say so. Jones says here
that any good rifle shot could have hit Charlie Kirk,
a one shot fatal bow from a distance, But then
he talks about the wind and head movement saving Trump

(34:42):
and Butler. Yet there were multiple shots. Why would the
deep state use a bit of a kid in Butler
when they have highly trained snipers on the payroll if
they really wanted to kill him. But with Kirk, someone
clearly did want him dead. The question is who the
deep State and Magamedia want it to be. Someone on
the left, and it may be, but it may not be,

(35:03):
or someone might be set up to take the blame.
All these possibilities need to be asserted by an open
mind and not a preconceived idea that suits the narrative. Also,
it's space aliens from the draconian consolation disguised as secret
hidden Jews. He didn't put that bit in, but that
was that was the strong subtext that I got from
that particularity. So Jamie Ike is also fairly incredulous to

(35:30):
this sudden change of the narrative. Tweaks out important reporting
her from Stephen. If this is more trans terrorism, we
must bring this ruthless, We must bring ruthless vengeance. Down
are these savages? But more conversated confirmation is needed, and
this is because Stephen Crowder, another right wing rabble rousing wanka,

(35:50):
has put out that oh, it's trans people. It's definitely
trans people, and Jamie Ike it doesn't buy this, says
so a professional trans hit man, and I'd just like
to point out that that's been transphobic, even in his
attempt to sort of say that it's probably not trans people,
because the idea that a professional person who happens to

(36:14):
be trans, fuck off, Jamie. I'll bet there's loads are
really good professional hitmen out there that are trans.

Speaker 4 (36:23):
The fact that your mind goes to immediately excluding the
possibility that this professional hit man could be professional because
they might be trans, that says something quite disturbing about you,
young man.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Anyway, Alex Jones plods on breaking analysis. Was Charlie Kirk
assassinated by Mossad for changing his allegiant position on the
Israel and mass war. Dale Comstock and Harrison Smith join
Alex Jones to speculate slash debate the case for an
Israeli intelligence hit job. However, the actual evidence of the
ground indicates another trans cult terrorist.

Speaker 2 (37:00):
Is the best word in them who A gets me
as well.

Speaker 3 (37:06):
It's like Alex Daivis is clearly like, well, we need
to hedge our bets here so that later I can
say I was definitely right. Even though thus far he
said it's a professional hit man, his organization has said
it was definitely Israel because Charlie Kirk had received threats.
He said that other people have said that it was
a professional hit man, and then he's also said that

(37:27):
it was a satanic trans cult. So he's made what
four or five different predictions. Wouldn't it be awful if
not a one of those turned out to be right? Well,
let's see what happens. So anyway, Alex goes on Info
Wars and Big thanks to Knowledge Fight because they did
an excellent episode on this particular bit. Alex says that

(37:49):
this trans satanic transcult is part of John Podesta's battle plan. Yes, yes,
I know it's scary events that like, you're right to
respond like that. Now, what this is a reference to is,

(38:14):
according to Alex Jones, John Podesta published a battle plan
that was leaked for some reason just prior to Trump's
second term, and it was a plan to ask Trump
if he got elected in twenty twenty, when Biden got
elected by using a series of violent acts, riots and

(38:37):
assassination attempts.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
Cobbled that's just can't be real. This can't be real.

Speaker 3 (38:45):
Well, I mean, there is a document that contains John
Podesta's name. It's called the Transition Integrity Project. Okay, and
what happened was in twenty twenty, this committee got together
and launched this. They did like a sort of tabletop
gaming exercise. The Transition Integrity Project was a series of

(39:05):
political cerinario exercises in the United States at the beginning
of June twenty twenty. Involving over one hundred current and
former senior government and campaign leaders, academics, journalists, polling experts,
and former federal and state government officials. The exercises examined
potential disruptions to the twenty twenty presidential election and transition.
The TIP is not an organization, but rather a short

(39:27):
term project run under the auspices of the organization Project Democracy,
and this is from their website. Twenty twenty, TIP released
a report outlining its findings and recommendations. The report stated,
we assess that the President Trump is likely to contest
the result of the twenty twenty election by both legal

(39:47):
and extra legal means in an attempt to hold on
to power. Recent events, including the president's own unwillingness to
commit to abiding by the results of the election, the
Attorney General's embrace of the president's groundless electoral fraud claim
and the unpresident had deployment of federal agents to put
down left wing protests. Underscore the extreme lengths to which
President Trump may be willing to go in order to

(40:10):
stay in office. Now, having lost the popular vote and
failing to secure the two hundred and seventy elector or
College votes required to win the presidency, Donald Trump, as
this report suggested, claimed widespread fraud, and he ordered his
legal team to fill dozens of court cases, and to
this date they won. One fifty nine were dropped by

(40:30):
its own attorneys or dismissed by courts before the even
before the evidence was even presented, because they were frivolous.
So in nowhere in it does it suggest riots, murders,
and political assassinations. What it suggests is we think that
Trump might try and do some shit to claim that

(40:52):
the election was fraudulently stolen from him. And I don't
know whether you remember at all, but Trump much fraudulent
shit to imply that the twenty twenty election was fraudulently
stolen from him. In fact, even Alex Jones promotes that
idea still. And so that was what it was about.
And John Podesta wasn't will didn't lead it. He was

(41:16):
just one of the numerous people that were consulted about it.
But Alex Jones has decided that there's this thing now
called the Podesta battle Plan, which is to use gay people,
black people, and trans people to foment riots, murders, and
political assassinations. He then does something really, really really despicable

(41:38):
on info Wars, Alex Jones begs turning Point USA to
finance him. He says that he will carry on doing
the college tour that Charlie Kirk did because he's not
afraid of being assassinated. He also advertised as a T
shirt with Charlie Kirk's face on it that he's selling
at a discount, but makes no mention of where the

(42:00):
money is going. He also claims that headlines about Kirk's
death had come out on the Internet before he actually died,
which was proof that somebody knew. Now, let's just start
with the fact that he's willing to jump into his
He's claiming this guy's his friend, although there's no evidence
of that. But he's willing to jump into his friend's

(42:22):
grave immediately and take all the money and take all
the clout and essentially, you know, usurp his hard work.
You know. Yeah, that's like me, like finding a load
of like Ozzy Osbourne unreleased demos, adding a guitar lick
to it and saying, I'm just trying to honor his

(42:44):
memory whilst I was, you know, rattling all my brand
new jewelry like it's bullshit, and then then to take
that even further by exploiting his death by putting his
face on a T shirt. Also, I don't know where
you've been watching him from was Twitter. They have got
the close up feed of Charlie Kirk bleeding out through

(43:05):
his neck on a loop. Sometimes it's despicable, Like it's
despicable on a number of levels, but like it's so crazy.
Just to explain the headline thing that is true. Some
it did appear that headlines had come up from the
day before Charlie Kirk was shot, and the only explanation

(43:29):
is that the Illuminati exists and they bug it up.
Oh no, wait, no, it's not. What happens with headlines
is headlines get put onto feeds which are already existing.
They just update the feed. So there are occasions where
the headline was changed on say the twelfth of September,
but on the tenth. But the original feed was put

(43:50):
up on the tenth of September, so Google page picks
up the metadata from the tenth of September. That's it.
It's not sinister. It happens all alarm, all the time, basically.
And something else that happens all the time is that sad,
failed actor and twap Lawrence Fox decided to desperately try

(44:13):
and jump onto the bandwagon to try and claw some
sort of clout out of this, and he tweaks out
the anti fascist of the fascists, which is nonsensical. He
goes on to say transgenderism is a dangerous mental illness.
Bullet casings from the older model three point zero caliber
hunting rifle were engraved with wording in support of trans

(44:36):
and antifa ideology. The Wall Street Journal has reported, So,
you know, like grift away, Lawrence, because you're going to
need the money for all these ongoing court cases. But
at this point the disinformation really begins to fly, and

(44:57):
somebody points out that though the ATF have come out
all hot and heavy and saying that this is definitely
trans violence, that the likelihood is that the trans pro
trans rhetoric written on the bullet casing was tr N.
Now we're about to go on a bit of a

(45:18):
journey here, but do you know what TRN might refer to?

Speaker 2 (45:23):
Wasn't it? I did watch a little bit this and
I'm pretty sure it's something to do with the manufacturer.

Speaker 3 (45:28):
Yeah, there's there's a bullet manufacturer called Turin Ammunition, which
is a Turkish company, and they have TRN stamped on
the I don't know, guns and things like that. It's oh,
it's called a head stamp, and so it's it's next
to where they where the hammer would strike, So it's
on the back of the bullet, if people can understand that,

(45:52):
and it has TRN stamped on it. And so it
seemed that, oh, well, people have jumped the gun with this.
That seems to be a far more reasonable explanation than
pro trans stuff written on the bullet. But there is
a problem with this. Johanns to know what the problem
with this particular theory is, Brent Amy, Turan do not

(46:16):
make a thirty odd six bullet. So that was not
the real explanation that this idea that TRN referring to
Touran ammunition was the pro trans rhetoric that was on
the bullets. That can't be the case because they do
not make that particular type of bullet as far as people,

(46:39):
as far as I can find, Sir, at this point,
we simply don't know. But loads and loads of wild
speculation starts flying around, so much so that even the
Daily Mail of Chitty Rag in the UK decides to
sort of go through and debunk a lot of the
more popular conspiracy theories that are happening. Did you hear

(46:59):
about the plane the getaway plane?

Speaker 1 (47:04):
No?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
Well, as the Denima reports, One widely shared post emerged
on social media shortly after Kirk was shot, suggesting that
the perpetrator may have escaped via private plane. A user
wrote on Twitter suspiciously, thirty minutes into the flight, it
drops off adsb illegally and then reappears headed back to

(47:26):
Provo approximately an hour later. Why did this plane turn
off its radar? Where is the shooter? And The tweet,
which has been liked and shared thousands of times, fueled
speculation that the flight could somehow be connected to the attack.
Some went so far as to tag the FBI in

(47:47):
and to demand that the FBI investigate this private plane
that seemed to turn off its radar for a little
bit that was somewhat close to the vicinity. Now replying
the post, a user said, there is a simpler explanation
as to why the plane may have slipped off the radar.
It may not have been a sniper. I was a

(48:08):
radar technician in the Air Force, and I have extensive
experience with the airspace around Utah. Just because that plane
dropped off the radar, it doesn't necessarily mean anything. There
are quite a few mountain ranges in western southern Utah
that blocked radar. A plane dropping off the ADESB is
not all at all uncommon. Looking at the flight path,

(48:28):
it appears to me it descended for a landing in
Page Arizona, which is many Utahn's vacation in Lake Powe,
which is right next to Page, and then reappeared after
having taken back off from the same airport. So, just
to explain, the only evidence that this plane was involved
in any way with the assassination was that it went

(48:49):
off radar very very briefly. That was it. That was
literally it, And there is an explanation as to why
it might have gone off radar. But what about the
people in the crowd making hand gestures just before the
shooting took place. A post on Twitter questioned why are
these two guys giving hand signals immediately before the shot?

(49:12):
Both standing perfectly to the side of the bullet track.
Two men can be seen standing behind Kirk what appears
to be adjusting his hat while it's holding the phone,
while the other moves his arms and glances around. Observers
on social media have speculated that the gestures could be
signals related to the shooting. And what this is is

(49:33):
one of them touches his nose and then pulls his
hat down, and the other one scratches his arm. And
what they're suggesting the internet is that these are like
baseball signals, you know, like where the guys they communicate
by doing like you know, touching their ear and blah
blah blah. And this is an indication for for the

(49:53):
guy to take the shot. What would assume give it?
Like if you can sort of track the logic of
this theory, there is a slight problem with this, Like
these guys signaling to the shooter to you know, to
take a shot. There's two things, as far as I
can see. One, if he's looking through his scope, would

(50:14):
he be able to see those two people? And two
if you were to be signaling that this person please
shoot this person right now, would you stand behind him? Now?
You could say whether there's slightly off to the right
and off the left. I'd want to be more than
slightly off to the right off to the left if
I was arranging for a person in front of me

(50:36):
to be shot to death, particularly from a distance of
two hundred meters or yards or whatever. It was. So,
but that wasn't the strangest theory that was floating around one.
There was one. This is simply titled sometimes on Twitter.
Bush sniper, a social media user shared footage of the

(50:59):
top floor of a building overlooking the tent where Charlie
Kirk was speaking, insisting that there was a thin figure
there who was.

Speaker 5 (51:06):
Disguised as a bush. The post says, does this bush
look suspicious to you? It lines up directly to where
Charlie Kirks tent was. I was very hesitant to post
this until I got other opinions on the matter. But
I spent hours going through posts, photos and videos until
I saw this, and he genuinely thinks that there might

(51:29):
have been a person there who was camouflaged to look
like a plan a pot plant. Now, this was supported
by grainy footage of a pot plant high tailing it
to a car shortly.

Speaker 3 (51:43):
No, it wasn't obviously it's a plant, it's a planned.
One of the stranger ones was that apparently Charlie Kirk's
ring moved from finger to finger as he was shot.
The theory suggest that the footage must be faked or
in some way ai because, as one user question, why

(52:04):
did Charlie Kirk's ring visibly move from his ring finger
to his pinky finger after the bullet impact? Another person said,
I watched Charlie Kirk's ring switch fingers as he was
falling backwards. Explain that one but one commentation who refuted this,
saying that this is a resort of technicalities of video
footage and camera settings. There were two more people that

(52:27):
were accused of being the assassin. Person who was stood
to the left of Charlie Kirk as you look at
the stage, who seemed to be doing something with his
arm and then jumped just after the shot. There was
also footage of somebody who appears to be stood just
to the right of the stage who appears to tug

(52:48):
on his shirt sleeve just as Charlie Kirk is shot,
and although he's not looking at Charlie Kirk. People suggested
that what he's doing is shooting him from close range.
You using a hidden palm, a hidden palm pistol, which
is a pistol that fits in your hand, and then

(53:08):
the bullet and so the barrel protrudes out through the
fingers of your closed fist, and therefore it's a sort
of clandestine hidden assassin's weapon. And the simple explanation when
the first person first thing, when I saw that, I
was like, how would the fucking person aim? Howard he aim,

(53:29):
to which the person responded practice, It's like, that's not
how aiming works, right, that you need to be looking
down the barrel to see where the bullet is going.
You can't just go I know, we've all fucking seen
John Wick and whatnot, but even he misses. When they're
walking through the airport and they're shooting each other and

(53:50):
ones on the balcony, they both miss and they're professional
hit men. I know it's not real, but you know
what I mean, Like, what was the simple explanation is
that this was a man scratching his arm and also
a man like you know, tugging his shirt sleeve down
as opposed to I mean, what they're supposed to do,
it's to shoot him. What happens if they miss? What

(54:11):
happens if someone goes I swear to christ I saw
a bullet come out of your hand like they're on film.
It's not a brilliant plot and it's it's just silly basically.
But the general feeling was that it was the left,
and a lot of people were saying things like this
is the first shot fired in the Civil War, And

(54:34):
a lot of people spread memes saying that Charlie Kirk
he just wanted to talk. He just wanted to talk,
and the left killed him, or they implied that the
left killed him because he was such a powerful voice,
that he was winning over the population. And when you
start to do that, that can't happen, because can you

(54:55):
imagine what would happen if like someone like Charlie Kirk
won over con servative voices. Well, at some point in
the future, we might have a Republican president. Oh, no, way,
that doesn't make any sense, does it. But anyway, The
New Republic reported Alex Jones and Steve Bannen warn Charlie
Kirk's death means war because obviously it's the left of violence.

Speaker 6 (55:21):
So the first met to respond to this is to
declare war, The New Republic reported, without knowing the identity
of the shooter, their politics, or what motivated them, Griff fiueled.

Speaker 3 (55:33):
Right wingers quickly launched into preparations for a battle against liberals.
This is war, declared libs of TikTok, a notorious far
right hate account with the Trump administration's here on Wednesday afternoon,
before setting off on a doxing spree of Democrats who
posted callously about Charlie Kirk's death. Conspiracy theorist Alex Jones
said that right wingers were in a war during a

(55:55):
live stream, a stream the left has been saying, put
a bull's eye on Trump, put a bulls iury supporters,
he said. Speaking about the corporate media bastards, Joanes said,
they love death, and so we're going to get them.
They're going to save this country and the world together.
Maga architects and the strange polk scratching man Steve Bannon,

(56:19):
also called Kirk a casualty of war, were out speaking
on his podcast which is called the war room because
the left is violent. The saddest man on the planet,
Elon Musk, decided to stick his or in in a
desperate attempt to be relevant with the people that he

(56:41):
pandered to and then was cast aside by. He tweeted out,
the Left is the party of violence and hate. The
Left is the party of murder. Either we fight back
or they will kill us.

Speaker 4 (56:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (56:59):
His fellows in the valley, bro Sean maguire said the
left lectured us for a decade about the danges of
violence for the right, but the dage was actually on
the left. Katie Miller, who's the wife of far right
Stephen Miller, who may or may not have ran off
with Elon Musk, recently accused liberals of having blood on
your hands, which is ironic. There was loads limbs of

(57:23):
TikTok said this is war. Joey Maroni said the Democratic
Party must be classified as a domestic terror organization and
their members the leaders treated accordingly. Enough is enough, which
is him calling for the execution of anybody who leans
politically left. Brian Eastwood said Charlie Kirk getting shot is
the first shot helder as the shot heard around the country.
I'm ready for civil war. You want to fight, You're

(57:45):
going to get it. Oil Field. Rando said, I don't
want the National Guards, said to democratics anymore, Democratic cities anymore.
I want to send the air force. Sean Davis said,
when democratics, Democrats lose the election, they couldn't steal, they
murdered the people who were they were unable to defeat,
which is not true. Otherwise, by his logic, they'd have murdered. Trump,

(58:07):
gun Thie and Magoogleman said they've declared war. Trump basically
said that this was the fault of the radical left.
Aesthetics said, there's no going back after this. This, No
more was to be said. The only way this ends
is complete annihilation of the Democratic Party. Matt Forney said,
Charlie Kirk being assassinated as America's Reichstag fire, It's time

(58:27):
for a complete crackdown on the left. Every Democratic politician
must be arrested in the party band under Rico, every
libtard commentator must be shut down. Stochastic terrorism they caused this.
Now I'm just going to pause on that one, because
if he's saying that this is the American Reichstag fire.
What was it that was about? What was it that
it was significant about the reichstad fire?

Speaker 2 (58:48):
Then it was a false flag bingo.

Speaker 3 (58:51):
Yes, so that doesn't work quite as well as he
makes it out to be. Also, you should fucking know
that because that was like the reference for nine and
the Patriot Act so exact. Patrick Casey said, it's time
to bring that hammer down on the left. Fox News
host Jesse Walters said, they're at war with us, whether

(59:15):
we want to accept it or not. They're at war
with us. So what are we going to do about it?
Elon Musk tweeted out, if they won't leave us in peace,
then our choice is to fight or die. Laura Luma
tweeted out, it's time for the Trump administration to shut down, defund,
and prosecute every single leftist organization. If Charlie Kirk dies

(59:36):
from his injuries, his life cannot be in vain. We
must shut these lunatic leftists down once and for all.
The left is a national security threat, and Jereh mem
said Erlich Charlie Kirk has been shot. Enough is enough.
Democrats need to be labeled a terrorist organization. Christopher f
Rufo said the last time the radical left orchestrated away

(59:58):
for violence and terror, j go Hoover shut it down
within a few years. It is time within the confines
of law to infiltrate, disrupt, arrest, and incarcerate all of
those who are responsible for this chaos. Jay go Hoover,
i might point out, was famously gay in a cross dresser.
But let's not get bogged down with facts. Sean Davis said,
the Democratic Party is a domestic terrorist organization who's most

(01:00:21):
fanatics will not hesitate to murder their political opponents. This
was not a one off event. Do you know when
most of these were tweeted out?

Speaker 2 (01:00:32):
I'm going to guess not even twenty four hours after
his death.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
No, yeah, all of that was on September the tenth.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
All of that is before I noticed some of those tweets.

Speaker 3 (01:00:41):
Were we're saying if he dies, yeah, yeah, like Laura
lumined that. But yeah, this is this is crazy basically.

Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
That that was interesting how one bullet, like the whole
of the left is responsible for one bullet apparently, So
this is.

Speaker 3 (01:01:01):
The point, isn't it? Like you know, but if alex
Ours is believed there's a satanic trans death call out there,
and some people pointed out that this was just simply
not accurate. There was a blog post that was a
substack sorry, that was put out by zitio dot com
that pointed out that none of this rhetoric was actually accurate,

(01:01:24):
and they said, here are the actual facts of people
with conveniently short memories. The man who targeted and killed
Democratic state lawmaker with this a Hortman and her husband
Mark in their home in Minnesota in June of this
year was a Trump supporter. The man charged for the
attempted assassination of Pennsylvania's Democratic Governor, Josh Shapiro in April
was a Trump supporter. The man convicted of orchestrating a

(01:01:45):
series of shootings at the homes of four Democratic elected
officials in New Mexico in twenty twenty two was a
Trump supporter. The man who tried to kidnap them Democratic
House speaking Nancy Pelosi and as suttled her husband Paul
in twenty twenty two was a Trump supporter. The man
who wanted to hang Mike Pence on January the sixth,
the twenty twenty one were Trump supporters. The man who

(01:02:05):
killed the son of Obama appointed district Judge Esther Sallas
in twenty twenty was his Trump supporter. The men who
were convicted of trying to kidnap Michigan's Democratic governor Gretchen
Whitmer in twenty twenty were Trump supporters. The man who
sent pipe bombs to the homes of Barack Obama, Joe Biden,
Hrry Clinton, and other top Democrats in twenty eighteen was
a Trump supporter. The man who killed left wing activist

(01:02:27):
Heather Haier after driving his car into a crowd of
counterprocessors in Charlottesville in twenty seventeen was a Trump supporter.
The blog goes on to say there is no equivalent
or even similar list of Obama or Biden supporters who
have carried out murders, attempted murders, or violent attacks against
Republicans or Conservatives in recent years. In fact, according to

(01:02:49):
statistics by the ADL Center of Extremism, twenty twenty four
was the third year in a row in which all
of the extremists related killings in the United States during
that year were carried out by right wingers. Crazy. What
was also crazy was that because of the Ferraura that

(01:03:09):
came up, there was a casualty. There was a casualty
in the entertainment world. Did you hear about this that
something had to be pulled from the networks? No, this
was the south Park episode that mocks Charlie Kirk. The
Comedy Central removed a rerun of a recent south Park

(01:03:32):
episode that mocks Charlie Kirk. The episode, which is called
Gotta Nut, shows Cartman visiting college campuses for debates, looking
like Charlie Kirk and basically adopting his mannerisms. Now, it
was removed pretty much because it's just poor taste like it,

(01:03:54):
you know. Actually, Charlie Kirk really liked the episode. Apparently
he said, cool, I've been lampooed by south Park means
I've made it, which is probably the best way to
react to being lampooned by south Park, to be quite honest.
But that was not the way that some of Kirk's
supporters took it. In fact, some people started accusing south
Park of being complicit or even the cause of Charlie

(01:04:18):
Kirk's murder.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I was wondering, are we going to go the Simpsons
are out here?

Speaker 3 (01:04:24):
No, no, no, nobody had gone that it was a
predictive programming. People decided that someone had watched the south
Park episode that mock Charlie Kirk and decided, Wow, the
only reasonable action is to go and shoot that man
in the neck at a college campus. Oh wow, you
know what, Fuck it, Let's blame south Park. One Kirk

(01:04:44):
fan wrote on Twitter. Blame the media. Blame left his
restorer a rhetoric. These people hate you and they won't
see you dead. If they'll kill Charlie Kirk a piss
on his grave, they'll do it to any of us.
Trey Parker and Matt Stone are responsible for this. As
someone else wrote, south Park certainly fermented the hatred necessary

(01:05:05):
to get Kirk assassinated, and Johnny Mager, a popular account,
was nearly a quarter of a million followers, said south
Park attacking Charlie Kirk's college campus events and mocking his
Christian faith just a few weeks ago, and then added
a clip from the episode with the with the simple
caption monsters. So yeah, so you know, thus far we've

(01:05:29):
got it's a satanic trans death call. It's clearly a
professional assassin, very possibly moss Ad or somebody that was
influenced by a recent episode of south Park. So it's
good to see that the Internet is casting a wide
net and not jumping to any fucking stupid conclusions. Also,
The Daily Mail reported that soldiers who had apparently mocked

(01:05:54):
Charlie Kirk were being investigated. This was reporting the Male
Couranty of War, Peter Hegseth warned that such behavior wouldn't
be tolerated on social media posts, echoing a similar post
written by Sean Parnell, the Pentagon's chief spokesman. We're trapping
all this very closely and will address immediately hexa' throat

(01:06:15):
people who are mocking Charlie Kirk's death is completely unacceptable.
Parnell said that it was intolerable for military personnel to
celebrate on mock the assassination of the fellow American, and
later that day it was reported that a marine had
been demoted and was actually under investigation for a message
that he shared on Instagram. The message simply read another

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racist man popped and that was beyond the pale for
a marine, a soldier, for the American military to be
in any way involved in celebrating or promoting death. That
seemed to be it was too much. That's just not
what the Marines are about. His message also included the

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cheers emoji of two beers clinking together. Also, a female
soldier in the US Army came under fire for a
correlated social media post, which was forced her to distance
her comments from the Pentagon. She wrote, oh no aut
the following Kirk's death, Oh no, whatever shall we do
without his incessant misogyny, racism and hatefulness. She was then

(01:07:26):
doxed by fans of the free speech absolutist Charlie Kirk,
who insisted that she lose her job. As she responded,
I apologize that so many of you misconstrued my statement
as a call to violence as a representation of the DoD.
These views are not representative of the DoD. These views
are just what supply what these views just what supply

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we are losing with the passing of conservatives. That doesn't
make any sense. But she apologized, But also loads of
people got sat the American football team. I believe the
Carolina Panthers fired a junior employee over in sensitive posts
he made regarding the murder of Charlie Kirk. Charlie Rock,

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who worked for the Panthers' football communications coordinator, had been
dismissed by the team over the alleged posts on Instagram.
The Independent reported an ever growing list of workers across
the country being removed from their jobs or facing sanctions
for praising Charlie Kirk's assassination and again, I want to
reiterate that apparently Charlie Kirk was a free speech absolutist.

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While those within MAGA and Trumpworld are reading from wednesday
shocking violence on the campus of Utah Valley University, others
celebrated the right wing political activist death online Republicans of
demanding actions against people who reacted to his killing by praising, rationalizing,
or making light of it, or by belitting belittling Kirk's memory.
An Oregon teacher's been put on leave for saying that

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that day for his day was brightened by Kirk's murder.
John Kalgary, a middle school teacher at Neil Armstrong Middle
School and city councilor, made the remarks on a Facebook post.
He said or wrote, hearing that Charlie Kirk got shot
and died really brightened my day. Nobody deserves it, but
some people are asking for it. A member of New

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Orleans Fire Department allegedly posted the bullet as she posted
that the bullet that struck Kirk was a gift from
God and now she's been suspended Ashley Creek Bam. She
commented on Instagram. I think that she should be forced
to carry that bullet in his body. That bullet has
a right to be there because it's a gift from God.

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Political analyst Matthew Dawd was fired from nst NBC after
appearing to blame Kirk for his own death. Asked by
an ker Katie Turr about the environment in which are
shooting like this happens, Dowd said Kirk had been one
of the most divisive, especially divisive younger figures in this
who is constantly sort of pushing this sort of hate

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speech or sort of aimed at certain groups. And I
can always go back to hateful thoughts lead to hateful words,
which then lead to hateful actions. You can't stop with
these sort of awful thoughts you have and then saying
these awful words and not expect awful actions to take place.
And that's the unfortunate environment we are in. So obviously
free speech absolutists thought that you shouldn't have been saying

(01:10:19):
that and wanted him sacked. Somebody else made a statement
on Twitter which seemed strange. For some reason. Nick Tuentes
said this, Nick Fuentis, very shortly after the shooting of
Charlie Kirk tweeted out Nick Twentez denounces any Oh so

(01:10:40):
this is from Aquentis updates. Nick Fwentis denounces any form
of violent retaliation. And what Nick had said was if
any of my followers take up arms and commit violence
in revenge, I disavow and disown you. And some people
were saying that seems strange because obviously he'd said this.

Speaker 7 (01:11:02):
They're Charlie Kirk saying, oh, I'll hear you out in Israel,
but I'll basically do propaganda on their behalf. It's not
good enough. You gotta go, dude, you gotta go.

Speaker 8 (01:11:12):
They all the traders will have to kiss the ring.

Speaker 7 (01:11:14):
My supporters will never have to do anything like that
because you took the pledge. You took the loyalty pledge.
I will kill, rape and die for Nick Flentis. Raise
your right hand, all right, everybody, raise your right hand,
Raise your right hand.

Speaker 8 (01:11:29):
Repeat after me.

Speaker 7 (01:11:30):
I will kill, rape and die for Nicholas J. Flentis. Okay,
So as long as you take the oath you're good.

Speaker 3 (01:11:42):
So, because as we know, Charlie Kirkin is one of
the main sort of targets for Nicholas Wentz's he feels
that that Charlie Kirk doesn't go far enough in his conservatism,
and so it's just very interesting that he said certain
things like that before. On the twelfth, the FBI announced

(01:12:08):
through sky News, the FBI director stated in a social
media post that a suspect in the Charlie Kirk killing
had been caught, but that but no such event took place,
and this is a reference to the second person that
was caught, So not the guy that was screaming I'd
shot him, not the Zin guy. It wasn't him. It

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was the second guy that they'd arrested. And Cash Battel
went out on Twitter and announced that the suspect was
in custody, but then he had to backtrack on this
because he basically said, no, that's not true. It was
it was nothing to do with with this guy. A
lot of people basically were very very highly critical of

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Cash Beto because he's like, isn't the FBI supposed to
do two things? What keep its cards close to its
chest in an investigation like this and too get things
fucking right, and he just certainly hadn't. But he was
all right. It was okay, Brent, because four chan, four
chan was on the case and somebody called spinach Bra,

(01:13:17):
somebody called spinach Bra tweeted out, ladies and gentlemen, four
chan may have found the Charlie Kirk killer. And then
they named this person. We may want to bleep this out,
I don't know, but they named it a member of
the Democratic Socialism of America. Look at the shoes, and

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they'd found there was a picture that was released of
the apparent assassin of Charlie Kirk and he was wearing
Converse Chuck Chuck what's they called Chuck Smith's the card, Yeah, yeah, Chuck's.
So he's wearing some like red or off red Chucks.
And there's a picture of this guy from the Democratic
Socialists of America's also got these shoes. And obviously, you

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know he's a Democrat, so must be violently opposed to
Charlie Kirk. And the comments on Twitter and on the
thread on four Chan were full of people doxing this
person and suggesting violent retribution was going around. Was that
why the hell have they even got an FBI. The

(01:14:22):
FBI has literally just come out and say that basically,
are sorry, we thought we've got the right person, but
we hadn't got the right person. And it's embarrassing. Why
why do they even bother because we've got four Chan,
the Internet. The Internet is superior. The Internet never forgets,
the Internet always wins, right, okay, And they'd found the

(01:14:43):
killer before the FBI. Now, somebody pointed out that called
rusty bullet Hole said, first four Chan said that it
was that Omar tranny. Then they said it was the
sky Valdez kid. Now it's this is pointless, and so
they pointed out that already excuse the t slurd there like,

(01:15:04):
but already four Chan had named three people and two
of them can't be correct because they've now found a
third one. And so he's suggesting that maybe maybe four
Chan was not not the best. Yeah, now that name

(01:15:24):
that I that was mentioned, you might notice that that's
not the person that was taken into custody. So four
Chan didn't get it right. But they were really screening
for this person's blood, and that, I suppose is why
they don't, you know, replace the FBI. That's one of
the reasons anyway that I could see, But the FBI

(01:15:48):
was taking heat. Cashoutel was being lampooned, essentially for his
response to the shooting and his handling of the manhunt.
But our stumbled in the early hours after the shooting
when he indicated on X that suspected Tutor was in custody,
before it later turned out that the killer was still
at large. Even after a suspect, Tyler Robinson, was apprehended,

(01:16:09):
Patel continued to get heat over his leadership and his candor.
I am grateful that Utah authorities have captured the suspect
in Charlie Kirk's assassination and think it's time for Republicans
to assess whether cash Bettel is the right man to
run the FBI. Anti Dei crusader Chris Ruffo posted on
X on Friday morning, He's performed terribly in the last
few days, and it's not clear whether he has operational

(01:16:32):
expertise to investigate, infiltrate, and disrupt the violent movements of
whatever ideology that threatened the peace in the United States.
Rufo added that many conservative leaders he's talked to are
not confident in the current structure of the FBI. Former
Trump advisor Steve Bannon, speaking on Bannon's warriorm immediately after
a law enforcement press conference revealing details about Robinson and

(01:16:54):
his family had happened, expressed annoyance as speakers at the
event offered kudos for the investigation and the arrest of Robinson.
Bannon said, it appears the kid had said something to
the family, the family confronted him, and the family termed
in him in. I'm not seeing the great law enforcement work,
Bannon said. They all came together. I got that, but

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this was not great law enforcement work. Utah Governor Spencer
Cox said that Robinson's family member reached out to a friend,
who then contacted the Washington County Sheriff's office saying that
Robinson had confessed to them or implied that he had
committed the committed the incident. So the FBI has now
messed up a couple of times. The first thing they

(01:17:36):
did was they basically said they had a suspect and
then had to backtrack and release the suspect. And then
the second thing they did was they implied that the
suspect had now been caught due to FBI investigation and
sound police work. But it transpired, that that had not
happened at all, that they had no clue who the
suspect was, and that he was apparently turned in by

(01:17:58):
a member of his family. That's the story that is
there at the minute, and so FBI director at Kashptel
is in a pickle. He's really really struggling because he's
messing this up and it was about to get really
really sort of even more crazy. The Independent reporter Tyler Robinson,

(01:18:19):
the twenty two year old Utah resident accused of killing
MAGA commentator Charlie Kirk, has been formally charged with aggravated murder.
A press conference announcing charges against him, state prosecutors revealed
text messages sent by Robinson to his roommate and alleged
romantic partner, in which he appeared to take responsibility for
the fatal shooting. Robinson evaded capture for thirty three hours

(01:18:41):
after allegedly opening fire on Kirk from a rooftop around
one hundred and sixty yards away from where he was speaking,
jumping off the roof and disappearing in the ensuing chaos.
The right wing influencer died several hours later after being
struck in the neck by the bullet. Robinson has been
formally charged with aggravated murder and six of the charges
including obstruction justice and witness tampering. So then now suggesting

(01:19:05):
that potentially intercepted messages might have something to do with
in being caught. So this was all adding to the confusion.
And they added a roommate who's a potential romantic partner,
and so it was just the waters were very, very muddy.
Did you spot the thing that conspiracy theorists went absolutely

(01:19:27):
ape shit for? No, Robinson evaded capture for thirty three hours.

Speaker 2 (01:19:35):
Oh, I noticed that when I was reading about it,
but I didn't even think about it when you said
it just went thraight over my head.

Speaker 3 (01:19:43):
H thirty three, as the listeners may know, is a
Masonic numbers. Once you get to thirty second degree mason,
there is a ceremonial degree called the thirty three at
third what's it called? Oh, I can't remember the name.
What's the what's the thirty third degree Mason? It's a
name for it, isn't there.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
It's like offended master or whatever.

Speaker 3 (01:20:00):
Something like that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, But anyway, that was
apparently significant and indication that there's obviously some sort of
conspiracy going off here. The Independent says, this is what
we know about the alleged killer. Robinson grew up in
a conservative southern Utah city of Washington, with his mom,
a trained social worker who works at Intermountain Support Coordination Services, dad,

(01:20:20):
a police officer and kitchen fitter, and two brothers. Social
media pictures suggest he has been described as quiet by
people who know him, as well as a straight a student.
A student, his grandmother claimed that she had never heard
her grandson discussed politics. However, family members told investigators that
Robinson had become more political in recent years to our

(01:20:43):
Voting information seen by the Independent shows the twenty two
year olds voter status is inactive, meaning he has not
voted in the last two general elections or responded to
notices sent by a county clerk. His party affiliation is
listed as unaffiliated. Both his parents are registered Republicans. Most
of my family members are Republican. I don't know a

(01:21:06):
single one who's a Democrat. I'm just so confused, the
suspect's grandmother, Debbie Robinson, sixty nine, told The Daily Mail.
Pictures on social media show Robinson dressed in a Trump
costume for Halloween in twenty seventeen, so details about what
was written on the casing these apparent anti fascist messages

(01:21:28):
start to come out. The Independent reporter that Utah Governor
Spencer Cox said that Robinson had expressed negative views of Kirk,
believing it'd be full of hate and spreading hate. Law
enforcement found ammunition of the scene with inscriptions including hey
fascist catch and an apparent reference to the anti fascist
song Bella Chow. Another read, if you read this, you

(01:21:53):
are gay. Laugh my ass off. Now, obviously this is
some fresh information and we're dealing with it like adults
as the information comes to us, and so it was
only sensible for Alex Jones to tweet out breaking analysis.
Charlie Killer confirmed to be Antifa devil, so he yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now.

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A lot of people jumped on the fact that someone
had said that he'd been put more political recently, and
potentially a family member had said that he was leaning left,
although that had not been confirmed. Confusingly, his grandmother had
said that the entire family were Republicans and she didn't
know a single Democrat, but that was somewhat overlooked by

(01:22:46):
people that didn't want to look into the nature of this,
but he was fine because all of a sudden, an
anonymous friend was spoken to by The Guardian, Anna Betts
reported the suspects high school friend says Robinson was the
only leftist in a family of very hard Republicans. In

(01:23:08):
a phone interview on Friday, one of Tyler Robinson's high
school friends, who has to remain anonymous, said that the
suspect was pretty left on everything and was the only
member of his family that was really leftist. The rest
of his family was very hard Republican, the friend said.
Around sophomore year, the friend said Robinson would become more
extreme in his political views and would always just be

(01:23:30):
ranting and arguing about this. That's pretty damning, isn't it.
Like that's like certainly makes it sound like somebody that's
entrenched in leftist politics as a reaction to being brought
up and surrounded by hard Republican rhetoric. You could certainly

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take that from it. But there was a problem with
this particular interview. Do you know, can you guess what
the problem with this interview was?

Speaker 2 (01:24:00):
Or anonymous friend as opposed to Randma said yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:24:05):
And the person actually later claimed that he didn't really
know Tyler that well hadn't seen him for years and
was just sort of assuming, and so the Guardian retracted it,
saying that the source couldn't accurately remember details. This article
was updated on the twelfth December September twenty twenty five
to remove quotes after the verified source who attended high
school with Tyler Robinson said after publication that they could

(01:24:28):
not accurately remember details of their relationship. But that was
still being being pushed by a lot of people that
were seized upon. Even the Governor of Utah used that
as a way to express his ideas that this was
definitely leftist. Only the Daily Beasts seemed to pick up

(01:24:48):
on the fact that Tyler's grandmother has said that the
entire family was Trump supporters. But then a new theory
started to emerge because people started looking at these things
that were written on the bullets and they were going,
hang on, these aren't necessarily anti fascists. Some of these

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are memes, and some of these are memes that are
used by people that are in say Redditch chat rooms
and four Chan and and things like that, and that
some of these could actually be connected to a group
called the Gropers. Now we've previously discussed the Grapers, particularly

(01:25:36):
on our right wing razzalstack Ruckers, which people should go
and listen to. But the Gropers are the followers of
Nick Fuentez. Nick Fuente is the half Mexican white nationalist,
and as we've just previously said, they all vow to kill,

(01:25:56):
rape and die for Nick Fuentes, who their main enemy,
Charlie Kirk. Do you know what the grouper war was.
I'm pretty sure we've discussed this previously.

Speaker 2 (01:26:08):
Yes, there's going against Charlie Kirk and supposed to be
a costing him or at the university debates.

Speaker 3 (01:26:16):
Yeah, exactly that sort of thing that the original group
of war was. In the fall of twenty nineteen, Jolie
Kirk launched a college speaking tour with Turning Point USA,
which was titled Culture War, and it featured himself, Rample,
Donald Trump Junior, Kimberlee Gulfroy, Lara Trump, and Dan Crenshaw.
Wwents began organizing a social media campaign asking his followers

(01:26:36):
to go to Kirk's events and ask provocative and controversially
leading questions about his stances on immigration, Israel, and LGBT
rights to expose Kirk as a fake Conservative. At a
cultural event hosted by Ohio State University on October the
twenty ninth, eleven out of fourteen questions were asked by groupers,
and their questions included, can you prove that our white

(01:26:59):
europe ideals will be maintained if the country is no
longer made up of white European descendants? So that gives
you an idea. Now, the Rington interview with Candice Owens
that started their feud near Catchuley explained to her the
origin of the name gropers. It came from a Twitter

(01:27:21):
account called that groper. He just named it groper. It
used to be that it was technically called easter toad.
Was the drawing, and it's one of those peppe the frogs,
but it's a big fat peppe of the frog that
has got his hands under his chin. It's technically called
called easter toad. But then some Twitter uses started calling
it groper. And at that time, you know, people would

(01:27:41):
personalize the gropers, make them an avatar, so you'd have
different themes and different personalities, and groper became synonymous with
like a far right, like a groper was like this
guy is painfully obnoxiously far right, and so I said,
on my show, imagine you're Charlie Kirk and you're standing
up there on stage and you have a line of
gropers asking you questions about the USS, liberty and dancing Israelis.

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I said, what must be going through his head? And
ever since then, they took down the gropers standing up right,
because the famous pictures, he'd be sitting down like this
and he does the thing. But they took a picture
of the groper standing up right. And there was a
meme of the time of Alex Jones walking down an
alleyway and they copy pasted a bunch of Alex joneses

(01:28:28):
and they said it was an army of Alex Joneses.
And so somebody took that meme and they did it
with grapers. They had an army of gropers marching down
the alley and I said, that's us, that's the gropers
lining up to ask Charlie Kirk a question. So that
was the origin of the name. And in the interview
kind of says that because of Graper's because of Groper's questions,

(01:28:52):
she worried about being a Christian and touring and being
friends with Dave Rubin because he's a homosexual. So that's
sort of the point of the grapers the grapers, and
it works apparently because Candas has decided that she's not
friends with David, or she's at the very least questioned

(01:29:14):
it because he's a homosexual.

Speaker 2 (01:29:18):
On a second note, my eyebrows went up when you
said dancing israelis. I didn't realize Nick Fuentez might be
a nine to eleven truther.

Speaker 3 (01:29:27):
He's not such a nine to eleven truther as an
anti Jewish person.

Speaker 2 (01:29:31):
So dancing israelis that's the nine to eleven.

Speaker 3 (01:29:35):
Yeah, no, absolutely, Yeah, he thinks Israel did nine eleven.
And yeah, that is one of the things where they
that they have in common is this sort of hatred
of Israel. Candice Owens hates Israel and Nick hates Israel.
But Nick more accurately hates Jews. He's an avowed white

(01:29:55):
supremacist fan of Hitler, feels that the Jews are coordinating
a conspiracy, that behind everything, they secretly control the world,
and they're evil. That that is what he believes.

Speaker 2 (01:30:08):
Yeah, I know that, but I just didn't know that
he was a nine to eleven Truser.

Speaker 3 (01:30:12):
Crazy, isn't it? But this is the point. This is
the thing. It doesn't necessarily mean that any of this
is anyway sort of coherent. It's just crazy. But as
you can see, this is the point. There was already
a groper war in twenty nineteen. We've already seen what
Nick fent Has has said. Charlie kirk has got to go.

(01:30:36):
Charlie Kirker's got to go, and then all of his supporters.
I will kill, rape and die if Nick frent Is.
I understand the ship post nature of that. I understand
he might not be taking it seriously. But here's the thing.
He's got an army of followers that take that. Imagine
it's not too much of a stretch to imagine that

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one of these people actually took it seriously, and to
give you an impression of how seriously some of these
people take this. This is a fan made thing, but
it uses Nicholas Fwentis's words because in twenty twenty five,
this year, Nick Fwentis decided that he was going to

(01:31:19):
launch groper War two. Now listen to this.

Speaker 7 (01:31:25):
I am declaring a new broiper war against the Trump
campaign until we can figure.

Speaker 2 (01:31:35):
Out what the hell is going on?

Speaker 8 (01:31:42):
I'm declaring a new duper war.

Speaker 7 (01:31:45):
You have alienated us, you have ignored us, You don't
listen to our concerns. We have been left behind. The
Trump movement and the GOP have moved on without us.
It serves Israel and corporations and immigrants, but it doesn't
serve Native Americans. What about Native Americans? What about Americans?

(01:32:10):
What about young white men?

Speaker 3 (01:32:12):
Well?

Speaker 7 (01:32:12):
What about us? Charlie Kirk is to the right of
lot immigration. That's unacceptable. So I think it's time for
another draper war. We're bigger, better, stronger than ever. I'm
on Twitter, I'm on Grumble. This is a big live
stream every night. We have allies. So I think it's
time to up the ante a little bit. And this

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time we're going all out justice once and we will
bring the energy.

Speaker 8 (01:32:43):
I'm done.

Speaker 7 (01:32:43):
I'm done playing around. I'm done sitting on the sidelines
and complaining.

Speaker 8 (01:32:47):
Are you happy? I'm done sitting around.

Speaker 7 (01:32:50):
And being blamed and accused, complaining about how it's not
going well. I'm gonna use my leverage. I'm gonna do
something about it.

Speaker 8 (01:33:01):
We have power.

Speaker 7 (01:33:03):
It's just a question of whether they want to get
on board or get out of the way, that's the question.
But weirdly, we will bring rougers, will bring the energy
means and it's replies slalls, get with us or get
the fuck out of the lay roider war iiO coming soon.

Speaker 3 (01:33:29):
And that video ends Groper war IWO join the fight
over a series of ringing out gunshots. And I'd just
like to remind people of this that Nick Funts also previously.

Speaker 7 (01:33:42):
Said, I think a lot of people are starting to
find out Charlie Kirk is not the patriot that he
says he is. And so I look at what happened
last night and I think to myself, this is totally
a doable operation. You know, Charlie Kirk in the grands
geame of things. It's just some retarded idiot. The dog
is terrified. I had to go upstairs and reassure him

(01:34:02):
because I'm screaming at my stream, at my screen, calling
Charlie Kirk a bitch and everything. The contrast could not
be more clear. Charlie Kirk is a totally unexceptional human being.
A moral struggle that's happening the higher dimension, right, which
is Christ versus the devil. Who does Charlie Kirk serve.
You know, is he really a Christian? Is he really

(01:34:24):
christ like when he supports foreign wars and Israel and
all this.

Speaker 8 (01:34:28):
Look at the people he's taking money from.

Speaker 3 (01:34:30):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:34:30):
So the guy's a fake Christian. The guy's not a patriot.
He hates our country. He's an American. Let's focus all
our firepower on Charlie Kirk. Why are we doing this
his meus. Charlie Kirk is a fake patriot, a fake Christian,
and he hates his people. He's anti white. And this
is our angle. We talk about Charlie Kirk's dual allegiance
to Israel, the almighty ohz. You know, the massive head

(01:34:52):
with the tiny face behind the curtain, Charlie Kirk lording
over the conservative movement. Remember, the goal is to expose
the global the fake conservatism of Charlie Kirk. People see
that Charlie Kirk is not a real conservative, he is
not a real nationalist, he is not a real Christian.
And that is simply the truth. We humiliated Charlie Kirk
last night. We took we took Gothams white night. We

(01:35:15):
brought him down to our level. We we didn't exactly
flip him but we definitely humiliated him. We took one
of their best and we made him a laughing stuff.
Charlie Kirk is not an honest broker, not a conservative.
He exists and Turning Point USA exists to control the conversation.
Charlie Kirk was totally unhinged. I think the guy has aspergers,

(01:35:36):
so he might have trouble with that. It has to
play into this narrative, has to play into the framing
that Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 8 (01:35:41):
In Turning Point are not right wing, They're not conservative.

Speaker 3 (01:35:44):
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:35:44):
Charlie Kirk gets asked a tough question and he reverts
back to Israel.

Speaker 8 (01:35:48):
Israel, God bless Israel. Israel's the best.

Speaker 3 (01:35:50):
You know.

Speaker 8 (01:35:50):
He malfunctions. He can't do it because I think he
has aspergers.

Speaker 7 (01:35:54):
I believe that we acknowledge that Charlie Kirk is not conservative.
He's destroying the country and we can all agree that
that has to we have to put a stop to that. Right,
Charlie Kirk is a retard and a coward, so we've
got him checked on both fronts. It is worth mentioning
the Dan Krench Shaw Charlie Kirk. I imagine these people
their IQs are like what ninety five something like that.

(01:36:15):
I mean, these are not exceptional people. These are not
intellectual heavy rate heavyweights. Right, Obviously there's a big opportunity
to humiliate Charlie Kirk in front of the president's son
and demonstrate to the establishment that he is not in control.

Speaker 8 (01:36:29):
So that one is going to be a big one.
You know.

Speaker 7 (01:36:32):
This is stuff that we've been saying for years, that
Charlie Kirk is a leftist, that Charlie Kirk is not
a conservative. There's a real risk that at an organizational level,
we will cause problems for Charlie Kirk.

Speaker 3 (01:36:44):
Now that doesn't look good, does it. He also said this,
I have an army.

Speaker 7 (01:36:52):
They hate that I have a revolutionary guard. They hate
that I raised my fist and the grouper's go into action.
It eats them up, you know, because they got money
and they got shows and they got stuff. But I
got shooters. But I got shooters, bar dog shooters.

Speaker 3 (01:37:08):
Damn so painting a party clear picture that Nick Fentis
and the groups are not, shall we say happy with
Charlie Kirk. No, dubningly he.

Speaker 7 (01:37:21):
Said this, they're Charlie Kirk saying, oh, I'll hear you
out in Israel, but I'll basically do propaganda on their behalf.
It's not good enough.

Speaker 8 (01:37:29):
You gotta go, dude, you gotta go. They all the
traders will have to kiss the ring.

Speaker 7 (01:37:34):
My supporters will never have to do anything like that
because you took the pledge. You took the loyalty pledge.
I will kill, rape and die for Nick Flentis.

Speaker 8 (01:37:43):
Raise your right hand.

Speaker 7 (01:37:43):
All right, everybody, raise your right hand, raise your right hand.

Speaker 8 (01:37:48):
Repeat after me.

Speaker 7 (01:37:50):
I will kill, rape and die for Nicholas J. Flentis. Okay,
So as long as you take the off, you're good.

Speaker 3 (01:38:02):
Yeah, do you see? So this was why some people
started to think, maybe maybe there is another explanation for
what's going on here. Now, just to go back to
the memes and such that were written on the bullets,

(01:38:26):
somebody asked Grock not always the most reliable, but this
is a way of expressing it, because we're talking about
what was inscripted on the Armo casings. The first thing
was noticees bulge o wo. Then oh, bella chow bella chow,
bella chow chow. Then catch this fascist. And also, if

(01:38:49):
you're reading this, you are gay. Now some what the
notices bulge oeo thing is for it, it's an anti
transit or it's about spotting somebody and then sussing out
that they're trands because you've noticed the bulge in their trousers.
And this can be either used as a sort of

(01:39:12):
negative trans thing by saying, oh, yeah, obviously you're not
very convincing is the idea, or some people have suggested
that it might be positive because the next next phrase
is something like fondle's ear, so they don't care that
you're trans. But what Grog said is these aren't random
or left leaning signals like some early reports claimed. Instead,

(01:39:33):
they traced Tyler Robinson's political beliefs squarely to the fringes
of the old right, specifically the Groper movement led by
figures like Nick Fuentes. This crowd positions itself as hyper
patriotic pro Trump conservatives who've seen mainstream Republicans like Charlie
Kirk as sellouts or fake conservatives. The bulges oeo bit
is a crude, mocking nod to transphobic memes that originated

(01:39:56):
on Tumblr but got co opted by far right trolls
to spot trans people in crowds, which is pure Groyper
style bigotry. Bella Chow flips an anti fascist World War
two partisan song into ironic AMMO for ridiculing leftists whilst
tying into their beef with fascist establishment figures like Kirk,

(01:40:17):
who went as repeatedly trashed the fascist thing is the
idea that they're not America first, at there Israel first.
And it's sort of like again a ship posting thing
where anyone who's an enemy of your position is considered
a fascist. Catch this fascist. That's a direct shot at
Kirk framing the attackers as purging a traitor from the right. Now,

(01:40:39):
that's not correct. Catch this fascist is from a game.
It's from it. I don't think it's Hell Divers. It's
from a game. We'll talk about it later, but it
can be used ironically. What the sentiment was that this
is a right wing thing, because when right wing people
who consider themselves fascist are playing this, they shoot each other,

(01:41:00):
kill each other and say, I catch this fascist, and
it's like a joke. You're the fascist, I'm a fascist.
We're not fascist. It's all like internet shit posty stuff.
This is the toxic underbelly of mago ecosystem, where online
radicalization turns personal grievances into violence against perceived ideological impurities.
Robinson's Republican registration and Trump donations fit the profile a

(01:41:24):
young guy steeped in gun culture and pandemic era echo
chambers lashing out at the enemy within on his own side. Tragic,
but reminded that extremism just doesn't care about party lines.
It just amplifies hate. Now, Grog actually got some of
those bits wrong, but we're going to come on to
it in a minute. Also, it started circulating that in

(01:41:45):
twenty eighteen, Tyanner had gone dressed as his I think
it's his mum that actually originally posted. Tyler is some
guy from a meme And there's a picture of Tyler
wearing an Adidas tracksuit and a flat cap, squatting down
with his hands in front of him. And people pointed
out that there is a Pepe meme that uses this,

(01:42:08):
and it's called the Gobnik Pepe and it basically shows
say Pepe sat down wearing almost identical clothes to the
clothes that Tyler's wearing in this photo. However, there's an
immediate backlash because people pointed out that, oh, you just
don't know your memes. This isn't the Pepe godnicks Pepe,

(01:42:31):
this is the Slavic Squat. So he could have been
doing the original Slavic squat, which is a group of
people from Eastern European dressed in the same clothes squatting
down looking kind of like sort of rap video basically,
And so there was a debate as to whether this
was evidence that he was aware of the Pepe meme,

(01:42:55):
which would seemingly intimate that he was potentially a grouper
because Grouper's adopt Pepe is there their logo. This is
what people were saying. Mike from Pierre said, I've seen
that Millennia is saying that Bella Chow being on the
casing means that the twenty two year old duty was
a leftist. But here's a remix of Bellachow on the

(01:43:18):
Grouper War America first playlist and groper walls refer to
the targeting of Charlie Kirk And there's this playlist on
Spotify that basically uses Bella Chow. And this is a thing,
it is a thing that fascists have taken this anti
fascist thing on board in an ironic way. But there

(01:43:38):
are other explanations. But for people saying that there was
a problem with this playlist in as much that it
was like people notice, there's not that many people following it.
This could just be one playlist To suggest that this
playlist is solid. Evidence that Bellichow is used by fascists
is somewhat lacking. However, there is actually well, I'll put

(01:44:02):
it this way, this was a tweet Happy birthday at
Nicholas Jay Fuentes. Today we celebrate you and your relentless
passion for putting America first. Thank you for your unwaving
dedication Bob Voice and Tyler's work to inspire and unite
so many. Your commitment to truth and principle as a
beacon for count the Patriots is to another year of
fighting the good fight. America First is inevitable. Enjoy your day,

(01:44:23):
you deserve it. And I've looked at this person's account
and they are definitely a groper with sympathies to Nick Fuentes.
Can you guess what the name of the account is.

Speaker 1 (01:44:33):
Bella Chow.

Speaker 3 (01:44:35):
Yeah, pretty much America First, Chow Bella. So this is
an example of it being used in an ironic sense.
It is all that I'm going to say, came in
and said, hey, fascist catch and up right down, down down.
This is the code references the Eagle five hundred kilogram

(01:44:56):
bomb of Strategy and from Hell Divers Too, which became
a viral met tied to powerful airstrike ability in the game. So, hey,
fascist catch is a phrase from that and up right down,
down down she was also written on the bullets. It's
like dropping a massive bomb. So it's used in internet
culture for like it's almost like I sort of dropped

(01:45:16):
the mic. Like if someone types up right down down down,
you've been like they think they they've ended the argument basically,
And so that was the what people were suggesting is
the name for that. Someone points out that bella Chaw
Song is actually a mod for the same game, and
somebody also pointed out that first first to point this out.

(01:45:39):
But to gamers, bella Chow was not a song sung
by anti fascists but a collectible and a background music
and the main quest in Far Christ six, which is
probably really relevant given his other online gaming references. So
these are these are sort of gaming things. And at
this point people are saying, well, yeah, but you know
who likes you know who likes games? Grapers. This is

(01:46:05):
all indicating that the gropers are in charge. Sorry, that
this man was a graper, and maybe listening to the
things that Nicholas Fantis has said, although he's no point
advocated the death of Charlie Kirk, listening to that one
could he put yourself in the shoes of an impressionable
groper that might feel that. Well, ultimately, isn't that what

(01:46:28):
we're going to do? You know? When the day of
the rope comes? Why are we mucking about? Charlie Kirker
has got to go. I have an army, I have shooters.
Charlie Kirky is a fake Christian. Charlie Kirk represents the devil.
Do you see how someone might be influenced by those

(01:46:50):
certain things?

Speaker 2 (01:46:53):
Absolutely, why people could be radicalized by that rhetoric.

Speaker 3 (01:46:57):
Yeah, So people were starting to think maybe this is
a groper. And for example, the Surfs, which is a
YouTube channel, tweeted out the list so far is Bella
Chow is from the Groper war playlist and also has
been used by by other gropers. Tyler dresses as Pepe
the Frog for Halloween. Hell divers is a super popular

(01:47:20):
game amongst the far right community, the code he references
used before throwing a bomb. The Gropers have a long
standing food feud with Charlie Kirk and the Turning Point
USA community, and Nick flent has pre disavowed if the
shooter came from his community. So this is starting to

(01:47:41):
look slightly concerning for Nick flent As, so much so
that even Vanity Fair actually did a piece about this,
and they mentioned the Groper wars in the piece. This
had some memes, however, aren't so neutral. The young men
who admired and still admire Charlie Kirk tend to be
extremely online, which doesn't necessarily mean that they all share

(01:48:03):
exactly the same ideology. Interc nine. Conflict between conservative factions
is common both on social media and events a young Conservatives.
The most notable of these are the Group Awards of
twenty nineteen. Groupers are fans of white nationalists agitator Nick Flentes,
who liked to hide their racism behind ironic jokes. When
Kirk began making an effort to mainstream his ultra right

(01:48:25):
wing Turning Point USA movement, Flentes instructed them to publicly
troll Kirk, and then somebody called David Schuster, who is
apparently some sort of journalist, came out and with a
massive bombshell that some people might have seen, which said,
according to Utah officials and police interviews with his family,

(01:48:47):
Tyler Robinson hated Charlie Kirk because Kirk wasn't conservative enough.
Robinson reportedly admired Nick Fuentes. Gopeers are now scrubbing the
exposts about Dems faster than the doj erasist Trump's name
from the Epstein files, which is damning if true. But
as Cheyenne from the BBC's Verify pointed out, this is

(01:49:10):
not true. No Utah official police statement on our FBI
report so far has said that Tyler Robinson hated Charlie
Kirk because he wasn't conservative enough, or even that he
admired Nick Fuentes, so that there's no full explanation. A
generally called aidan walker on TikTok tried to explain everything

(01:49:31):
and did a pretty good explanation. He said the casing
on the show that ended Charlie Kirk's life was engraved
with the twelve year old furry bashing meme notices bulge
oo woo, what's that? Which tells us an important thing
this assassination was a ship post, that is the lens
to analyze it through. Another of the casings reference as

(01:49:52):
a video game hell Divers too, and a specific bomb
that you could send on your enemies in the game
would command up with command up upright, down, down down.
This command line sort of became a meme on image boards.
It'd be deployed k kind of to represent ending an argument,
but almost more so just like if you know, and

(01:50:14):
that sort of signals the in group there. So it's
what you're saying, though, is it's an if you know?
The memes. Another of the four casings referenced as bella chau,
which is an Italian anti fascist anthem from World War
II era that has stuck around. It remained very popular online.
It's been used in both left and right in political
contexts and users, and used in a lot of video games.

(01:50:36):
The fourth final showcasing was engraved with if you're reading this,
you're gay lmao. This ship post was designed to be
maximally disruptive, incomprehensible, cloaked in layer upon layer of irony,
so nobody would really know what it meant unless they
were our guy. This performs a kind of nihilism that

(01:50:57):
plays really well on particular image boards and discords where
this guy spent most of his life, and I say
most of his life because that furry meme is from
twenty thirteen. He was ten years old when it was
first posted and when it first became popular. He, like
you and I, grew up alongside this part of the
Internet that trickled out through other platforms and went on

(01:51:19):
and has actually informed driven a lot about politics. Half
of the administration right now are content creators. All of
the guys who are wearing masks going on these deportation raids,
the guys who are staffers of Republican members of Congress
in these different executive departments. The guys who are nineteen
year olds that Elon put in doge. These are Reddit kids,

(01:51:41):
all guys that were on four Chan in twenty thirteen,
laughing at the furry me laughing at that furry meme.
Now the question everyone is asking is was this kid
a groper? And parents are asking what is a groper?
So Groper's the most extreme fringe of this kind of
imageboard nihilistic culture that I'm talking about. They're led by
Nick Quentes, who is a content creator and a streamer,

(01:52:03):
and they're really about transgressing any boundaryit that exists. They're
like explicitly white nationalists, really bad, horrible people. The Dave
Groper originates from this variant of Peppy the Frog, which
comes about in the early twenty tens. These guys adopt
it as a kind of collective self portrait. They make

(01:52:23):
it their profile picture, they make it their monika. There
was the Group of War of twenty nineteen in which
Nick Quenters and these people trolled Charlie Kirk and Turning
Point Essay, showing up at these debates events asking questions
that would push Kirk to say things that were even
more extreme than Kirk was already saying. So where Charlie
Kirk took one step towards this kind of white or

(01:52:44):
Christian nationalist ideas, the Gropers took two steps, and they
demanded that he make the subtext text. One post that
people have been citing of proof of the Groper hypothesis
is this from this from his mother's Facebook shows some
dressed up as a meme for Halloween. It seems like
the meme is GodNet Pepe, which is a four Chan

(01:53:06):
meme to my understanding, but I don't quite associate it
with pol which is like the political board on full
chat of four chan, the people most people are talking
about it. I see it more of ak meme, a
sort of rare pepe type, but again many pepe or
group of memes. The core of this is the lonely
male figure an e miserated landscape looking sad, and that's

(01:53:27):
just part of us of the story that I wish
more people were talking about, of driving our political violence.
It isn't just polarization where one side is getting more
radical and kind of undermining democracy. Nor is it algorithms
like some have said they're They're not pickling the brains
of young people. It's the feeling that these pepe memes represent.

(01:53:48):
If you're always going to be alone, you're never going
to have a future, and you're never going to have
a voice. And that feeling, which is by no means
rare or unusual in our society today, colligns with a
particular set of scumstances. This long entrenched nihilistic online tradition,
the ready availability of firearms, and increasing derangement of mainstream
discourse is ambient. You can sense attention and volatility that

(01:54:11):
exists in the air to produce stuff like this, and
we're going to see more and more unless the root
course are addressed and unless we find a way to
offer a better future for people. So we've now got
yet another theory. The initial theory was that there's some
sort of professional hit man nondescript. The second theory was

(01:54:32):
that it was somehow Israel. The third theory it was
a satanic trans leftist cult. The fourth theory, which is
less popular, is that it was the Trump administration to
cover up for the Epstein files. And now people are
leaning towards the idea that potentially this might be a
grouper a follower of Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 2 (01:54:53):
Hey, you forgot the South Park one as well?

Speaker 3 (01:54:56):
Oh yes, sorry, that was the fact. Yeah, someone was
radicalized by watching an episode south Park. That is it
is a possibility, I suppose, But I mean, has there
been ever sort of violenced by the group as before
was somewhat It didn't actually happen, But in San Antonio,

(01:55:18):
a San Antonio man was said in federal court to
sixty months in prison for making a credible public threat
against a mass populated event in Florida. According to court documents,
Alejandro Richard vas Vella Squares Gomez twenty hosted a message
on his public social media profile threatening a day of
retribution at the Turning Point USA hosted conference Student Action Summit.

(01:55:41):
Belaquez had a ticket to the event, as well as
a flight book from Austin to Tampa, Florida, where the
conference was being held from July the twenty second to
the twenty fourth. In twenty twenty two, the U S
Secret Surface and Tampa Police Department were notified of the threat,
which led to Tampa ped obtaining a warrant for Velaquez
Gomez A he pleaded guilty May sixteen, twenty twenty three,

(01:56:04):
did the federal charge of interstate threatening communications. In addition
to targeting the conference, Velaques storks and harassed a young
woman for many months prior, continuing to do so even
in pre trial detention. Velasqueries also attempted to obstruct the
FBI's investigation, using a group of minor girls to help
him by deleting information from his online accounts and contacting

(01:56:26):
witnesses to hide evidence and influence testimony. The man used
social media to broadcast the message that he intended to
travel across the country and carry out a violent act
and event during to young political activists, said US attorney
JAMIEUS Sparsa for the Western District of Texas. Fortunately, this
post was reported to officials who intervened, and this case

(01:56:46):
conserve as a reminder that everyone that at all levels
of law enforcement, we take threats of violence very seriously.
Those who violate these laws risk prosecution and imprison imprisonment.
Gomes was a vocal Fuenis fan and a participant in
grouper online spaces where he promoted similar ideologies. He identified
strongly with the movement, which disrupted mainstream conservative events like

(01:57:09):
Turning Point USA conferences to push more extreme views. Sources
describe him as a key lieutenant, a top grouper general,
or a close associate of Fuentas. He actually met Twentees
at a group march in twenty twenty two SEAPAC conference
in Florida. There were around forty groupers there protesting, and

(01:57:30):
in a video clip, fwent has praised Gomez by saying,
I like that guy. I met him. He's a nice guy.
After his arrest, Quenty's disavowed him and then child porn
was found on Gomez's phone. So again, Nicholas Quances has
not encouraged this or not overly encouraged anything, but one

(01:57:51):
of his followers has decided that the logic conclusion is
violence against Turning Point USA. Now, one of the things
that was being talked about was Discord. Now, you're a
bit of a tech bot guy, Brent. Discord. Is that
anything to do with floppy discs?

Speaker 2 (01:58:12):
Absolutely not. It's rightically a sort of like a gamer
chat room type of thing. It would be the best
way to describe it to you, right, Okay, fair enough,
So that's it.

Speaker 3 (01:58:25):
Well, anyway, apparently Discord some people were starting to just
sort of blame Discord because they didn't really know what
discord is, like myself, and so it became a sort
of buzzword for Discord. Is Discord like the dark Web?
Is this where all the terrorists are? And so Discord
was basically came out and said to TMZ of all publications,

(01:58:47):
Discord was not used by Tyler Robinson to either plan
the murder of Charlie Kirk or to hide the evidence,
a Discord spokesperson tells TMZ in the course of our investigations,
we identified a Discord account associated with the suspect, but
we've found no evidence that the suspect planned this incident
or promoted violence on Discord. The message's reference in recent
reporting about planning details do not appear to be Discord messages.

(01:59:10):
These were communications between the suspect's roommate and a friend
after the shooting, where the roommate was recounting the contents
of a note that the suspect had left elsewhere. Authorities
say Robinson's roommate showed them Robinson had made a joke
on Discord and then showed investigators the message, which included
Tyler stating a need to retrieve a rifle from a
drop point, leaving the rifle in a bush, and a

(01:59:32):
message referring to having left the rifle wrapped in a towel.
Discord seems to be saying these communications were not on
its platform, rather on a note that Robinson had written
off the site to his roommate. So that's causing massive
confusion because basically everybody's saying, well, hang on, I thought
he was on Discord, and Discorder is basically said that
he wasn't on Discord, and people are going nuts. Alex

(01:59:55):
Janes is promoting the idea that these loads of people,
there's a network of people on Discord, that all are
involved and this is part of the Satanic trans group.
Other people are pointing out that, well, hang on, aren't
gropers on Discord? And then then most people are basically saying,
what exactly is discord? But this is what's happening now

(02:00:18):
that there is an explanation because if you remember, the
messages had come out apparently to his roommate, and there
was some confusion as to whether that had tips off
the authorities or whatnot. But if you listen very carefully
to what Discord has said, they've not said that he
didn't use Discord. They've said that he didn't plan the
murder on Discord.

Speaker 2 (02:00:37):
He didn't plan anything.

Speaker 3 (02:00:38):
Yeah, so that is the explanation for this. On September
the thirties, Nick starts responding to people speculating that he's
a groper. He tweets out, the left is now shamelessly
trying to blame the right for the murder of Charlie Kirk,
which they've been openly celebrating and justifying for days. They
have no charity, love or humanity for any of us

(02:00:59):
or our families. We must take power for our own survival.
We win or die. He misses the point that the
right has been desperately trying to pin it on the
left all of these times, and that there is not
a lot of evidence for that. There's not a lot
of evidence to suggest that he's a groper, But there's
more evidence at this point suggests that he's a groper
than that he's a left winger. And again, the most

(02:01:21):
confounding thing was the fact that Nick predisavowed it because
he probably saw some of this and when shit, I
recognize some of that. Now, that doesn't mean that it's
groper stuff. It means that it's gamer stuff. But gropers
and gamers do sometimes the line does blend, and Nick
is not stupid. Nick would realize that it's happened before

(02:01:42):
people connected to me have gone too far and have
planned actual violence.

Speaker 9 (02:01:49):
It's on to.

Speaker 3 (02:01:50):
Tweet my followers, and I are currently being framed for
the murder of Charlie Kirk by the mainstream media based
on literally zero evidence after the left gunned him down,
which is not evidence, or either they celebrated and justified it.
They said I was next. They're blaming me. These people
are pure evil. There was another person that actually came

(02:02:11):
out of the woodwork and decided to stick up for
or to put his own theory into the into the zeitgeist,
shall we call it this? This was a strange one.
Russian propagandis and architect of a New World Order style

(02:02:34):
planetary takeover. Alexander Dugan decided to tweet out Charlie Kirk
is killed by George Sauros and his son. They worked
on that for decades. Open Society Foundation is a terrorist organization.
As long as it functions, nobody is safe. Yeah, I

(02:02:55):
mean they cart have worked on it for decades, like
or the very most two days cages Howard they know
because Charlie Kirk's only been relevant since what twenty twelve
or something like that. Ly a decade, yeah, yeah, more.
But he was only thirty one, so unless oh, of

(02:03:15):
course we're not thinking about it. Oh wait, George saw
Ask can see the future. Oh well, fair enough, if
we clean that, cleared that up. Now, the right wingers
start to panic, right, and they're doing huge amounts of
damage control, and this seems to be sort of solidarity
with Nick Fuentez. But there's three very good reasons for this. First,

(02:03:38):
they would to blame the left. It's as simple as that. Second,
they want to pretend that the right isn't violent. And third,
and most importantly, Nick Fuentes went to dinner at Maral
Largo with Donald Trump. And it would be pretty embarrassing
if whil'st Donald Trump and his administration, including the FBI,

(02:03:58):
are trying to pin there on radical leftist trans antifa
types that it turned out to be the follower of
somebody who had dined with and was praised by President
Donald Trump. Also, Ali Alexander was Ali Alexander was at
that dinner and he tried to elicit penis pictures from children.

(02:04:21):
But Tim Poole comes out of the woodwork and says
they're trying to blame Nick Fuentez to create a narrative
that the far right killed Charlie Kirk for not being
far right enough. It's because there is no conversation, only
a death cult. And Ben Shapiro goes on the Bill
Mayher show and he says that he knows that the
killer was a leftist. And Bill Mayher, who is a

(02:04:43):
bit of a twat to be fair to him, says well,
I don't think that's true. And Mayer asked, could it
be that he was a groper, and Shapiro said he
thought that. Sorry. Mayor asked why Charlie Kirk Assassin wasn't
a grouper, and Shapiro said he thought Charlie was too hateful.

(02:05:06):
Groupers would have said that he wasn't hateful enough, and
that's bullshit, that's absolute bullshit because that misses the point. Okay,
they think he was hateful because he favors Israel. He's
not putting America first. This is again, it doesn't necessarily
have to be coherent because it's the language of propaganda.

(02:05:28):
It's about feelings and putting yourself in the mindset of
that potential suspect. Shapiro says, we know is on the left.
Mayo says, we don't know shit, Ben, I'm hearing is
in a group that you think Kirk wasn't right wing
enough the gropers. Are you sure that he's not in that?
And Shapiro says, well, I'm not sure he's not in that,
and Maya points out that a few seconds ago you were.

(02:05:51):
Shapiro also basically said that based on he says. Bill
Mayer comes up bench for saying Charlie kirkshooter was of
the left and admitting he wasn't sure because of reports
that he may be a groper, and Shapiro sort of
sarcastic this as, oh, yeah, the Internet is undefeated in
getting it wrong, which is absolutely right, you know, and

(02:06:14):
we've just seen four chun definitely get three suspects wrong,
and the FBI got two suspects wrong. But then Shapiro
gets it wrong by saying the shooting of any Republican
politician is very likely to be a trans Antifa Marxist,
which is it's just, you know, ridiculous. But again, this
is the point. People are flinging things backwards and forwards,

(02:06:39):
and the only thing we really know at this point
is that there are gamer memes that may have an
overlap with certain groper ideas, and the gropers didn't like
Charlie Kirk. But the FBI is saying that it's somehow
connected to transactivism, and other people are saying that it's Israel.

(02:07:01):
Alex Jones comes out and decides to calm everything by
saying the left was openly calling for Charlie Kirk's death
and now with no evidence, they claimed the shooter was
a right winger, which is fucking ironic, bearing in mind
everything that Alex Jones exists for. And again no people
are questioning it and wondering whether it could be a

(02:07:24):
groper that interpreted Nick's rhetoric has a call for violence.
Nobody's saying that Nick did this at all, Like, that's
certainly not not the case. You could make the argument
that if that was what it turned out to be,
that it'd been very sort of irresponsible with his rhetoric,

(02:07:44):
but that's you know, people aren't being that nuanced about it.
There is a groper on YouTube called based Law Law
as in Lore because he tells the law of the
Gropers and Nick Fuentes, and he does videos claiming that
the movement it couldn't be a groper that shot this

(02:08:06):
guy because gropers are all about Christian love, yeah, which
is definitely not true. He also basically repeats the lines
that the shooters family of outed him as a leftist,
and to back this up, he shows other people saying
that from other podcasts, saying that his family's outed him

(02:08:26):
as a leftist. But this all basically comes from The Guardian,
which by this time has already been retracted. Dr Anastasia
Maria Lupis, who's a sort of anti vaxed nut. She
comes out and says and tweets the gropers are very
sad about what happened to Charlie because they know it
has been devastating to Nick. Trying to frame him is despicable.

(02:08:49):
Dennis Owens has some ideas. She's tweeted out. Charlie Kirk
was fighting with some very powerful billionaires that he took
money from over the things he was discussing. The pressure
on him was immense over the last two weeks. The
truth will be released, the messages will be leaked, and
the movement he built will rise up. And she reposts

(02:09:10):
Cernovich Theary his bloody first name, the right wing journalist,
saying Charlie was about to lose his last major donor
because he refused to bantucker Carlson from his events. There
are a lot of people shedding crocodile tears. The billionaires
must be exposed for the crescens that they are and
can this later comes out and says that basically like

(02:09:31):
Bill Ackman offered Charlie Kirk one hundred and fifty million
dollars if he would just turned down the rhetoric about Israel,
just to pinch, and she intimates strongly that this didn't
happen and that might be the reason that he was murdered. Essentially, again,
she's trying to tie it back to Israel while it's
slandering someone and providing no evidence. Also, she puts out

(02:09:55):
a video of herself dancing around with Charlie Kirk. She
seems genuinely genuinely hurt about, and this footage she used
to show them as genuinely friends. There's a lot of
sort of like backstage stuff of the mucking about and whatnot,
which I suppose only makes her grifting off of his
death even more distasteful. Someone else who's incredibly distasteful, Milognopolis

(02:10:19):
sides to completely troll because as we've seen, he's already
on the outs with Nick Fuentes, and so he tweets
out yet looks like a regular everyday graper To me.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
I was wondering if he was going to go turn
that dialog.

Speaker 3 (02:10:35):
Of course, now somebody gets into a sort of conversation
with him and says, I don't understand this, are you
saying that there's a group of people on the right
wing who are more extreme than Charlie Kirk was, And
Milo just responds, oh, you, poor, poor sweet lamb. So
Charlie James Lindsay is an anti communist. We know this

(02:10:57):
because his name on twitterist James Lindsay, anti communist, It says,
in a desperate attempt of coping, Charlie Kirk's murder is
a leftist by any account. There's a lot of dust
in the air about if he was a groper instead.
It's possible but unlikely, and we may found out and
don't gain anything by speculating on it here. But the
gropers are leftists, so yeah, which is just baffling. But

(02:11:24):
that's the point, is that basically, like apparently there's people
who think that even the gropers aren't far right enough.
Noted comedian of old Roseanne Barr decided to sensitively address
the subject by saying, I can see him being a
groper because he liked blowing trans women, but he was

(02:11:44):
also good looking enough to get a woman, so it's unlikely.
Thanks for that, Roseanne Barr. Harrison H. Smith, who you
also remember, like immediately came out and said that it
was definitely israel I need to be sort of somewhat
publicly humiliated by Alex Jones his boss. Although you know,

(02:12:06):
having Alex Jones as your boss is technically being publicly
humiliated by Alex Jones every second that you're alive.

Speaker 1 (02:12:14):
So there is that.

Speaker 3 (02:12:16):
But he went on to say, if they want to
try and friend the Gropers, all they're going to succeed
in is doing is to inspire the entire right wing
to embrace the Gropers, which, to be honest, we should
be doing anyway. That's Harrison Smith of INFO was saying
that we should embrace this openly white, nationalistic, obnoxiously far

(02:12:36):
right group that might might be connected with the murder
of another of his conservative peers. But hey, ho, somebody
else decides to step into the foret and they have ideas,
not good ideas, not sane ideas. But I don't think
you're going to guess here this is. This is somebody
that was in the past was shall we say, close

(02:13:00):
with Nick Flentes like intimate soon might even say with
Nick flents and that Nick Fenters stood up for even
in the face of evidence that he might have sent
or requested penis pictures from children.

Speaker 2 (02:13:15):
Before you said that, I was going to say destiny,
because he said intimate.

Speaker 3 (02:13:20):
Destiny gets himself into trouble. But we're not going to
talk about him. No. It is, of course Ali Alexander
or Ali Akbar as his which is his real name.
On Saturday night, Alexander did a livestream on telegram to
voice his concerns about the emerging narrative on the far
right that Israel assassinated Charlie Kirk allegedly for having voiced
criticism of the Nature Nation. Joining the live stream, Alexander

(02:13:44):
did not dispute the idea that Israel could have murdered Kirk,
but argued that he had not seen any convincing evidence
or heard any sound arguments to support the allegation.

Speaker 9 (02:13:52):
That said.

Speaker 3 (02:13:53):
Alexander wanted to make it very clear that nobody wants
to take down Israel more than me, and so nobody
can claim that they were out flanking him on taking
out the Jew. Alexander said there was much to be
suspicious about regarding Kirk's assassination, such as the behavior of
George's in in the immediate aftermath. I find it incredibly

(02:14:15):
strange that reportedly a Jewish man that characters in acted
deeply suspicious and it did look like he distracted people
while the assassin got away. Alexander said, as anyone's established
any connection between this weird Jewish guy and the shooter,
or this weird Jewish guy in Mossad, this weird Jewish
guy in anything else. Alexander said that there was another

(02:14:35):
person on the scene who looks Jewish and was acting.
Apologize for this autistically and retardedly. He won't post his
last name. Alexander claimed, that's something a lot of Jews do.
We call it shape shifting. Now. I don't know anyone
who wants to take down Israel more than me and

(02:14:55):
this audience, Alexander declared, I believe it's theological. I believe
this who proceeds politics either believe that the Jews are
the synagogue of Satan. I believe that the Jews made
up a lot of the Holocaust. I don't know a
person who thinks more poorly of Jews as a consensus
of culture than me. I blame the force rates on
the Jews. Most of you probably would not blame the

(02:15:16):
VRCE rates on the jew I do so when I
see people say I'm out flanking you on taking out
the jew Ali, I'm like, no, you're just engaged in mindlessness.

Speaker 1 (02:15:28):
Right.

Speaker 3 (02:15:28):
So after spend spending about forty five minutes status is
anti Semitic bonu fee days, Alexander then revealed what he
ultimately wants to be done in response to Kirk's murder,
and he said, my attention is going to be on
trying to get FBI directed cash, Betel fired, trying to
get Donald Trump off his fat ass, to avenge his friend,
trying to use the state power to tell civil libertarians

(02:15:51):
to shut up while we excise all of Antifa from
our country. He went on to say, I think five
hundred thousand people need to be arrested, try and possibly
killed if they're convicted for treason or something like that.
I think America needs a penal colony. I do not
want to coexist with these people. So yeah, yeah, I

(02:16:14):
mean he's obvious what he's doing there as well. He's
trying to sort of use this event to try and
leverage fans of Nick by being as anti Semitic as
possible and hoping that people don't look into his background
too deeply. Weirdly, then a video emergence of George Zinn

(02:16:34):
green with the guy who people are already suspicious of.
This is a video called the nine to eleven Memorial Video,
and in it George Zinn being interviewed because he basically
witnessed nine to eleven happening. He was there when it happened. Yeah,

(02:16:55):
so obviously this is proof that he's definitely more sat
and the internet absolutely he can't just be a confidence.
So the Internet absolutely run with this. It's it's it's ridiculous,
And a lot of people try and sort of like
get a lot of sort of like grist off. This
one of them is owing Benjamin. Do you know who

(02:17:16):
ow In Benjamin is shureting? Yeah, he's a failed comedian
who went insane after taking a massive edible on the
Joey Diare Show and then ran away to the to
the countryside to raise an army of children and basically
alienated everyone he's ever worked with by going progressively further

(02:17:39):
and further down the rabbit hole. He's a flat Earth.
Three things that Jews are responding to everything, and a
Nick Fuentes fan account called a super Groper said, oh
In Benjamin had another mental breakdown due to s obsession
with Nick Fuentes. He did a whole stream pretending to
be Nick, even buying a costume so he could pretend
to be him. He's very concerning to see a man

(02:18:00):
continued to continue to lose his Griffin's sanity like this,
and yeah, Tivy Fair, It's like the word comedian is
doing a lot of heavy lifting here. This is what
ben Oman Benjamin did is he gets some of the beats,
but it's mostly.

Speaker 10 (02:18:16):
Shitker Carlson's whole community Taker Carlson's friends with a guy
named Gary. Gary used to work at the CIA. CIA
has had operations in Bikina Fosso. Bikina Fosso has invested
in Pallenteer Robin Hood app I Candice Oons lives in
a castle haunted by Count Dragua and chalk your okay,

(02:18:39):
that's why they want me dead. That's why I have
to hang out in a ballpit at McDonald's. And if
you try and take your children away from me under
the ball pit, you're a jew and I'll get the
Graper Army to dos you.

Speaker 3 (02:18:54):
I mean, that's a fair representation of the style of
Nick French's and he has been leaning far more into
that sort of conspiratorial dot connecting, particularly when talking about
people like Panis Owens and saying who is connected to
who in particularly when trying to smear his opponents as
taking money from Palaneer or something like that. David Ike

(02:19:17):
then decides to put the cat among the pigeons by
tweeting out Charlie Kirk suspects Grandma says that the family
is all maga. And we discussed this already. This had
come out a couple of days ago. There were certain
claims that were absolutely completely fake. If you remember, God
said that Grok had got certain things wrong. Grok said
earlier that he was registered as a Trump voter. This

(02:19:37):
is not true.

Speaker 1 (02:19:39):
He wasn't.

Speaker 3 (02:19:40):
It was also suggested that he'd given money to the
Trump campaign, and this was also not true. It was
an older gentleman with a similar name. There were also
a photo that was going around from wearing a red
Trump twenty twenty four T shirt. This was photoshopped. This
was photoshopped. So we can see that there was people

(02:20:01):
on all sides of the argument trying to explain and
trying to come out with this idea. Now, some people
were still sticking with the idea that the references to
fascism precluded the possibility that this was a grouper or
even a right winger. But unfortunately there's lots of evidence

(02:20:21):
that this is not necessarily the truth. For example, this
tweet from Nicholas J. Flent Is saying we live under
Jewish fascism, and so people pointed out that the concept
of fascist could be that Charlie Kirk supported Israel. On
another showqwenty said, well, well, listen up, left wing scum.
In the second administration of President Donald Trump, Heritage America's back.

(02:20:44):
We're deporting every criminal, illegal alien, and we're going to
work to deport anyone that supports her mass in headspeller,
anyone that gives support to Iran and the terrorists, anyone
that's anti Semitic, anyone that denies a Holocaust. And it's like,
wait a second, is this the same person? Wait a second.
It's like you blink and you miss it. I thought
you were you were white. Now all of a sudden,

(02:21:07):
you're rubbing your hands together. Where did that hat come from?
Now you have a small hat on your head. This
is our country. And that's literally the Trump administration. You're
being sold fascism, and you read the fine print. It's
just Jewish fascists, the fascists operated by the State of Israel.

(02:21:27):
So sorry if that comes across as a bit strange,
because it's a transcript of something you were saying live,
but you understand the gist of it. Now, something very
strange started to happen Brent Online. Some gropers started to
claim Tyler Robinson as their own and proudly owning the
murder of Charlie Kirk. Pilot Groper posted a meme that

(02:21:50):
basically was a ringing phone with the Big Leagues written
on it and essentially basically saying that the Big League
calling the Gropers because they've now murdered Charlie Kirk and
that they're quite willing to answer the call silence. A
Groper wrote in response to the death of Charlie Kirk, WHOA,

(02:22:11):
that's you me and that's King fire fire, fire, and
King is a reference to Nicholas Fences on Fortune Somebody
with a Groper in a Roman Centurion costume on their profile.
Graper confirmed Nick is so fucked it's unreal. Other people

(02:22:35):
posted pictures of him in Groper forums and basically put
so is he our guy? And then just as everybody
started to think, okay, well this is starting to look
really really bad, like there's not a huge amount of
evidence from anywhere, but I can't see any leftists and
I could understand how this could be a groper. And

(02:22:59):
then a new sort of twist and folds. And I
have to admit that when I saw this first, the
spit first posted, I went actively, oh, fuck ah, that's
not true now, okay, but to be fair, it was
because it was posted by Jay Widner. No, people don't

(02:23:24):
know who Jay Widener is. Going and listen to our
Stanley Kubrick fake the moon Landing deep dive. Jay Widener
is one of the people that basically promoted the idea
that Stanley Kubrick filmed the moon landing, which you well
did he. He'll have to listen to the Deep Dive
to find out. But anyway, Jay Wider put on Facebook.
The latest revelation about Tyler Robinson, the assassin of Charlie Kirk,

(02:23:46):
exposes the twisted underbelly of the radical left even further.
Living with a transgender partner who's now spilling everything to
the FBI, including damning texts that confirm his guilt. Paints
a clear picture of the deranged world these extremists in habit,
and someone called Rerum Navarum tweeted the FBI says Tyler Robinson,

(02:24:08):
Charlie Kirk's assassin, had been living with a transgender partner
who is transitioning from male to female. The partner is
cooperating with investigators, and apparently the original source for this
was a Fox News journalist called Brooks Sigmund exclusive, Charlie
Kirk assassin, Tyler Robinson lived with his transgender partners. Sources
tell me the individual who is male transitioning to female

(02:24:31):
is fully cooperating with the FBI, so as to tell
me that the FBI had text and other communications between Robinson,
that the individual that helped FBI authorities solidify that Robinson
was indeed the shooter. But people start to go, hang on,
this isn't adding up, For example, evidence challenge, which is
a great person to follow on, Tita said, And yet
it's been repeatedly reported that he lived at home with

(02:24:53):
his Mormon parents and he went to his father after
the shooting. So that was strange. There's holes in this.
It doesn't seem to be tying together. But that didn't
matter to Alex Jones, who decided to take credit for
something that absolutely definitely didn't say. He tweeted out, I've

(02:25:15):
been proven right again. Total vindication. Charlie Kirk's killer came
from a good family, but a couple of years shacking
up with a member of the trans death cult, and
the trans demons had a trained killer ready to go
to war with their target of choice. Christians, we are
literally in a spiritual war and this is a demonic invasion.
And at no point did that even come close to

(02:25:38):
what Alex Jones said. He said it was a trans
satanic death cult, but that's not what's come out. He's
just the manage a twap. Also, he's taken so much
fucking Mirajo that his mouth looks like a fucking monitorizard's
ce section. It's disgusting, But anyway, I digress. Benny Johnson,
who's a prick, he said this is one hundred percent

(02:26:01):
confirmed Charlie kirk killer, Tyler Robinson, had a boyfriend who
identifies as transgender. The man is cooperating with FBI and
has turned over all electronics and messages. I'm hearing there
is much more to come. Yes, this is officially trans violence,
except this wasn't actually what was going on. There's a

(02:26:21):
really good journalist called Adam Corkran, and he was looking
over the reporting and he sort of went over the
report in the Daily Mail. And now the Daily Mail's
a rag, but he did it with a fine tooth
comb and this is what he said. He said, Well,
finally there we go some clarity from the Daily Mail.
Of all places, Tyner splits a three bedroom department with roommates.

(02:26:45):
One is a guy who desperately wants to be a
programing streamer and may be trans identifying. May that person
was cooperative with the police. But this roommate Lance was
also the one who claimed to have discord messages from
about the shooting. Discord proved he did not. There is
no indication on social media for Lance or Tyler that

(02:27:05):
they are in a relationship. In fact, nothing shows them
ever interacting, and Lance's profiles, which are now still open,
show no connection with the private profiles of Tyler. There's
no confirmation that Lance's trans lancer's identity was revealed in
separate reporting, and the trans component seems to have come
from appearances and game attacks, not any self declaration. So
at best Lance maybe had a housemate who was maybe

(02:27:28):
trans but has already made multiple statements to law enforcement
that do not seem to be accurate. And I'm not
sure about the rest of you, but I've certainly had
roommates that I disliked that were crazy and didn't politically
align with me over the years. So to jump from
this reporting by the Daily Malta he has a trans
lover is insane. This will be the same case as
the bullet casings. Some dumbmouse in the cash FBI saw

(02:27:50):
a minor detail, extrapolated it to a political extreme, leaked
it to the press, and will backtrack it. Meanwhile, MAGA
will run with it. So why did they say that
Tyler lived at home with his parents if now they're
saying that he lived with roommates, potentially even a trans lover.
Is there an explanation for this? Apparently? So yeah, what

(02:28:13):
it is is that basically his DMV listed address was
his parents' address, which says that basically I presume that
means that when he got his driver's license, he was
living at home, But now it transplies that he is
actually living at this apartment block with other people. Alex
Jones has got to the bottom of it, obviously breaking.

(02:28:34):
Charlie Kirk's executioner Tyler Robinson was devoted trans cult worshiper
leftist attempt to suppress the truth and have completely failed
as the shocking truth emergers. So The Daily Mail then
report that the transgender partner of Charlie Kirks alleged student Shooter,
shared a post online appearing to show support for President

(02:28:55):
Joe Biden. Lance Twiggs, a twenty two year old want
to be pro gamer and roommate of suspect Tyler Robinson,
also made the remark in a Reddit post. Twigs, who
goes by the name Lancelot on social media accounts including Instagram.
A Steam gaming account currently called flux Alottle, previously had
the username Lancelot, as well as a slight variation Lancelot

(02:29:16):
with a three and his friends with the username craft
in two four seven, which is an account linked to
the shooter. Lancelot had their real name listed on steamers
Lance until December eleven last year, when the gamer changed
to Lunar, an account online for on Reddit with the
username Lancelot three posted extensively in a group for transgender issues,
and in one conversation on the site mentioned that they

(02:29:38):
were from Utah. Post from the same account was made
in that love for Landlord subreddit, where users share trolling
posts pretending to show support for landlords. Lancelot's comment read,
we are riding with Biden on this glorious subreddit a post. Yeah,
now immediately like, let's just just just cut in there. Okay,

(02:29:58):
the Daly man doesn't know what it's fucking talking about.
It's just said that they're on a trolling subreddit, and
he said, we're riding with Biden on this glorious subredit.
And they've said that that's absolute proof that he's a leftist.

Speaker 9 (02:30:11):
It's not.

Speaker 3 (02:30:12):
It's a troll, or at the very least it could
be a troll. What about all the trans stuff. Well,
apparently Lance was on there looking at medications to slow
beard growth and to get good hip growth. He also
told members of an ex Christian reddit that he was
told that he was possessed by a demon and then
within thirty minutes, I was kicked out of my house
because I started laughing and wouldn't go to the bishop

(02:30:34):
for a blessing. It looks like Twig's family were really
sort of conservative Christians, and bizarrely his sisters actually follows
Cook's widow Erica on Instagram, but also Robinson had been
on a furry website. He apparently had an account on

(02:30:54):
fur affinity Net, which is a site catering to people
with a proclivity for humanoid as The Daily Mail describes it,
animal illustrations and dressing up in first suits, and wis
Constant nailed it. A Wisconstant newsite reported an interview with
an unnamed member of twigs family who claimed that the
twenty two year old was in the process of transitioning

(02:31:16):
and that it was dating Robinson. He wanted to have
lunch with family members to introduce his boyfriend, the unnamed
source told the site Wisconsin Right Now. Twiggs grandfather grandfather
Jerry Twiggs, declined to speak about Lance's gender identity. I
don't want to comment on that. I'm not sure what
the situation is exactly right now, he told The Daily Mail,
adding that he'd never met Robinson now. The thing is,

(02:31:40):
although The Daily Mail's reported that Twigs and Robinson used
to share an apartment, it's unclear if there's actually a
trans element to this at all. The fact that and
what's interesting as well is that basically the trends, the
supposed transfers to Lance Twigg is the person that's cooperating
with the FBI, so he's certainly well, is he part

(02:32:01):
of this trans satanic trans death court don't know, but
he certainly seems to be cooperating. Utah Governor Spencer Cox
confirmed that the roommate of Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin was
a romantic partner transitioning from male to female, but declined
to speculate whether that was a factory in the shooter's motive,
telling Dana Bash, this partner has been incredibly cooperative and

(02:32:22):
had no idea that this was happening, and he's working
with investigators right now. Well, that certainly sounds like there
was no Certainly, if there was a wider network, he
certainly wasn't part of it. But Adam Cochran points out
that even Governor Cox, in his statements, seems confused because
he gets his information for the FBI. In one minute,

(02:32:42):
he says that he's a partner. Another moment he says
that he's a roommate. So it's very unclear at this point,
what is actually happening. He also repeats the line that
all the families and friends have been said that he
was left wing, when at that point all of those
reports have actually been completely retracted. In the press conference,

(02:33:07):
Julis said to Governor Cox, did the investigators use the
term leftist ideology or did they give specifics? There are
conversations that were discussed specifically about Charlie Kirk. I don't
have a dog in this fight. If this was MAGA
and a radicalised mega person, I would be sharing that
as well. Family discussions. Parents. This is what they're saying.
Do you have any specifics about what he was saying

(02:33:28):
about Charlie Kirk to his family? Just that he was
not a fan, The Guardian says. So what they're saying
is that he must be left wing because of the
involvement with trans people. That's what they're saying. And he
must be left wing because he didn't like Charlie Kirk.
But the only thing the problem with that is that

(02:33:50):
we know that the Gropers A don't like Charlie Kirk
and B have a thing for furries. We've discussed cat boys.
Cat boys are are furries that dress up as cats
are openly gay but are also openly Nazi, and Nick
Frentis has been known to interact with particularly one catboy

(02:34:10):
whose name escapes my mind at this point, catboy Femi or.

Speaker 2 (02:34:16):
Something like that.

Speaker 3 (02:34:16):
Can't remember Kimi catboy, something like that. Anyway, there's also
a sort of weird thing that goes on with the gropers,
where basically they think that it's gay to go out
with women and bizarrely have taken that all the way
round to thinking that or having a sort of fetishization
for trans women. There's a meme that goes round that
shows a groper masturbating going that's not gay because it's

(02:34:39):
a lady's dick. So again, none of this would preclude
necessarily the right wing aspect of it. The Guardian reports,
saying Cox made it a point to tell NBC that
friends have concerned that they're into that kind of dark
Internet culture, that these dark places of the Internet where
Robinson was going deep. The governor did not elaborate though,

(02:35:00):
on Saturday, citing the work of law enforcement, he told
the War Street Journal that is clear to us and
to investigators that this person was deeply indoctrinated with leftist ideology.
Remember that he was deeply indoctrinated with leftish ideology. As
to elaborate, Cox said that information comes from people around him,

(02:35:21):
from his family members and his friends. That's how we
got information. There's so much more that we're learning, and
so much more that we will learn. When asked about
the roommate's status and whether it was relevant to the investigation,
the governor said, that's what we're trying to figure out
right now. I know everybody wants to know exactly why
and point the finger. I totally get that, I do.
Yet Cox said he had not actually read all the

(02:35:43):
interview transcripts compiled by investigators, so I just want to
be careful, and so we'll have to wait and see
what comes out. So there's no actual proof of leftist
leaning ideology, but Fox has But Cox has decided to
come out on the television and say that the definitely
is whiles admitting that he hasn't actually read all the
interview transcripts and saying I want to be careful, We'll

(02:36:06):
have to wait and see what comes out. That's irresponsible.
Adam Carchran, journalist points out two things we know two things.
Trump's dog was looking for a gun ban for trans
people already, and two MAGA has called for the death
penalty and wants to make a martyr out of Kirk.

(02:36:26):
The suggestion that car Crane and other people are starting
to come to is that it looks like the FBI
might be lying here because they want to portray this
as a hate crime. They want the perpetrator to be trans,
or to be trans motivated, or the killing to be
because of Kirk's views on trans Do you want to

(02:36:48):
know why? Because then it can become a hate crime,
then it can be tried federally to it. Also, there's
this other thing about the trans gun ban also, something
that came out just today that the Heritage Foundation had
snook into Project twenty twenty five. They want to make
being a trans person designated as a terrorist seriously, like

(02:37:16):
absolutely one hundred.

Speaker 11 (02:37:18):
I'm just sat here in shock what the Heritage Foundations,
who are the architects of Project twenty twenty five, are
currently trying to make it that trans ideology should be
listed as a terroristic organization and a terroristic school of thought,
trying to make it so that trans people could be
considered just by virtue of being trans and being opposed

(02:37:40):
to anti trans that they are terrorists.

Speaker 3 (02:37:43):
The logic goes like this, trans people are violent. If
you're opposed to people who are anti trans, you're pro violent,
You're a terrorist. Wow. Yes, And so some people are
trying to point out that there is an incentive to
pin this to trans people. Some people also started saying

(02:38:04):
that basically, hang the fucking ar. First you said it
was a transactivist, then you said it was somebody from
a trans group, then you said the bullets had trans
messaging on it. Now you're saying the roommate was trans,
but the roommate was the person that actually turned him
over to the FBI. And the meme was going around
with the cash Betel basically saying is anyone trans? Is

(02:38:26):
there anyone trends that we can pin this on. Also,
as we've just said, being gay or being trans doesn't
mean that you're left leaning. Milo Napolis British far right
political commentator who gained notoriety with the website bright bart News.
He was openly gay. He now claims to have prayed

(02:38:47):
the gayway, but no one believes that shit. Douglas Murray,
British author and political commentator, identifies as gay as known
for his neo conservative and anti Islam views. He's an
associate editor of The Spectation. Brandon Starker founder of the
walk Away Campaign, which encourages former Democrats to leave the party.

(02:39:07):
Stark is openly gay and gained prominences and conservative media
before being arrested in connection with the January sixth Capital Assault.
Tech billionaire and prominent libertarian investor. Peter Tiel is gay.
He publicly came out as gay during a speech at
the twenty sixteen Republican National Convention. In twenty seventeen, Til
married his longtime partner Matt Dan dan Zisen. Til is

(02:39:31):
behind politicians that are openly opposed to LGBTQ policy, like
it makes no sense, but he is trans. Right wingers
include Blair White and Caitlyn Jenner, and one of those
has definitely killed a person. So is that an indication

(02:39:54):
of trans violence or right wing violence? Who can say?
Ernst Rome of the SA openly gay and his homosexuality
was well known within the Nazi Party, but was eventually
used as a pretext for his execution during the Night
of the Long Knives in nineteen thirty four. Roy Cohne
mentor to President Donald Trump, American lawyer and prosecutor who

(02:40:16):
worked closely with Joseph McCarthy during the Red Scare of
the nineteen fifties. Cone was a deeply closeted gay man who,
while in the government, led efforts to fire other homosexual
federal employees during the Lavender Scare. He also died from
age related complications in nineteen eighty six, after having denied
both his homosexuality and his illness for years. And as

(02:40:36):
I say, he was the mentor for Donald Trump. Everyone
go and watch Angels in America forteriisms. One It's brilliant
and two. Al Pacino is an incredible portrayal of Roy
Cone in that Dave Rubin openly gay, courts the far
right and has been described as having far right views.
Tammy Bruce, a conservative commentator and former president of the

(02:40:56):
Los Angeles chapter of the National Organization for Women, who,
as an outspoken supporter of Donald Trump, is openly gay.
Andrew Sullivan, a British American political commentator all through who
is openly gay, is a prominent conservative voice known for
his political commentary in his and was an early and
influential political blogger. Richard Grennell an American diplomat and political
consultant who is openly gay, served as the Acting Director

(02:41:19):
of National Intelligence and as the United States Germany George Santos,
the first openly gay, non incumbent Republican to be elected
in the US Congress, serving from twenty twenty three until
his expulsion in December twenty three. Graham Lindsay's rumored to
be gay. Being gay is not exclusive. You could be
gay and fascist at the same time. So yeah, not

(02:41:42):
to mention that the catboys and that sort of bizarre shit.
People then noticed that one of the Crassenstein brothers was
following Lance Twigs. Lance Twigs is the possible partner, definite roommate,
maybe trans person that is anected to Tyler Robinson and
one of the Crassensteins who are supposed he left leaning,

(02:42:04):
but they just seem to be just adn't think they
have any moral compass to be quite honest, like they're
just there to make fucking money. But somebody noticed that
they were both following Lance Twigs on TikTok, and everybody went, well,
that's fucking obviously a conspiracy, and they got all sorts
of that. You know about this, you murdered Charlie Kirk.

(02:42:26):
This is proof that Israel's behind it somehow. Do you
want to know the explanation. It's simple that you might think, yeah,
go on. Then they started following him after his name
came out in the gas so because they thought he

(02:42:46):
might make a statement on Twitter, so lots of people
started looking at it. Basically, David Ike decides to retweet
something by a chat called Ryan Dawson and he points
this out. Charlie Kirk was assassinated on the ninth of
the tenth. Since then, the government, which is the American government,

(02:43:06):
has blocked the Epstein file release, past amendment that bans
Pentagon from boycotting Israel, proposed a bill for Rubio revoke
pressports for Israel. Critics. House approved six hundred and fifty
millions for Israeli missile defense. Marco Rubio visits Israel. Now
the Epstein thing is interesting because like that has been

(02:43:27):
sort of buried by this bad news. The GOP voted
to not release the Epstein files, which is in no
way suspicious, but then he decides they're still leaning towards
this is probably Israel, and it's like this is ridiculous. Basically,
Candice is also going down the it's Israel route, but

(02:43:50):
she's also sort of starting to get a bit annoyed
that she's not getting attention because Nick's getting all the
attention because people think that this guy might be a groper.
And she tweaks out, Charlie died, but Nicks the victim.
Just shut the fuck up, Nick, stop grifting off his death.
Just shut up your perpetual victim. The irony of that

(02:44:10):
statement is so deep and so layered that almost every
single sentence has as irony to it, which I'm pretty
sure our listeners are bright enough to figure out. Nick
responds simply by saying, such a nasty woman. Then messages

(02:44:31):
or some of the chat from the Discord that it
was on starts to getting released, and initially people start going, well,
hang on, I thought it wasn't on Discord, but now
the thing is on Discord, like the FBI has lied again.
But as we said before, Discord simply said that he
didn't plan it on Discord, which totally goes against the
idea that the FBI and Donald Trump have said that

(02:44:51):
it was all planned on Discord and it was involved
a radical group of trans people. Satanic if you Go
by Alex Jones. The day after Charlie Kirk was killed,
an acquentance of Tyer Robinson posted a question to him
and in the group chat, the FBI just released two
grainy surveillance images of a skinny young man in a
cap and sunglasses walking a stairwell on you to our

(02:45:12):
Valley University campus and as for the public's help in
identifying the suspect. Tagging mister Robinson's username on discord, a
messaging platform, the acquaintance attached the images and wrote where
are you at? With a skull emoji, suggesting that mister
Robinson looked like the man being sought. Mister Robinson replied
within a minute, saying his doppelganger was trying to get

(02:45:35):
me in trouble. Tyler killed Charlie, another wrote. Another person wrote,
but they were clearly joking. They thought that this was just.

Speaker 9 (02:45:45):
This was just.

Speaker 3 (02:45:47):
Trolling, essentially trash fttel He's still getting shipped from this basically,
like and Laura Ingraham basically comes out and says that
the search was calamitous and unreal and the fact that
basically people are going backwards and forwards is just embarrassing. Also,

(02:46:09):
did they point out again that the FBI has made
the story completely incoherent. Either he was handed him by
his dad or it was by his roommate, but it
certainly wasn't down to FBI work and the fact that
they keep getting the suspects wrong and stuff like that. Apparently, though,
The New York Times reported that he lost his shit

(02:46:30):
on a staff conference call. During the call, he allegedly
lost it on agents for bundling the investigation in the
Kirk's killer, all while upending the probe himself by congratulating
state and federal officials for wrongfully detaining the person as
the subject for the horrific shooting. He slammed employees for
failing to provide timely updates and specifically blamed agents in
Salt Lake City, blaming the local FBI, saying that they

(02:46:52):
didn't show him a photo of the suspected killer for
twelve hours. But there's a reason for this. Do you
want to know why the head of the local FBI,
or do why the local FBI was hindered in Salt
Lake City? Well, Patel did something you remember that he's
been trying to slim down as part of the doge thing. Basically,

(02:47:14):
get rid of FBI agents and also getting rid of
FBI agents that he doesn't deem loyal to him or
Donald Trump. Well, just a couple of weeks ago he
dismissed the head of the Salt Lake City FBI field office.
Oh shit, yeah, which led from what pampered. But you know,
people have got this all wrong. Some people are looking

(02:47:36):
to the FBI. Some people are trying to work it
out on the internet. Some people were going on four
Chan and things like that. You know who they should
have asked? It's the finest. Who's the finest British investigative
journalist out there? Somebody not quite even finer? Jackie div

(02:47:58):
Jackie Devay. Jackie Devoy had ideas about the whole situation,
and she tweeted out she was concerned that people were
upset about the death of Charlie Kirk, so she tweeted out,
the character Charlie Kirk is well and truly dead. You
won't be seeing him on TV again, but the actor
who played him is probably still alive somewhere in Israel

(02:48:20):
by now. Most probably Wow. Just fucking lunacy, sill lunacy. Yeah,
incredibly of shit. Okay, nutty woman, bless her Nick is
still desperately trying to do a sort of damage control,
and he says, we don't know the whole story about

(02:48:41):
Charlie Kirk's assassin yet, and the official story has some inconsistencies.
We do know that tens of thousands of leftists celebrated
the public execution for expressing basic conservative opinions. They must
be held actionable regardless.

Speaker 9 (02:48:53):
I remember that.

Speaker 3 (02:48:54):
I remember it was all those left wings that were
calling for No, it wasn't it was the right wing
that was calling for war, wasn't it including suggestions from
the President of the United States of America. Somebody else
jumped on the scene and started asking the questions that
nobody else was asking, never at any point stopping to say,

(02:49:16):
why aren't people asking these questions? Is it because it's
massively insensitive and boardlined stupid? But that's never been something
to stop The Health Ranger Mike Adams. The Health Ranger
Mike Adams tweeted out, I don't mean to be graphic,
and I mean no disrespect to Charlie Kirk and his
tragic assassination, but shouldn't we be asking why there doesn't

(02:49:38):
appear to be an exit wound? And blood splatter on
the large white banner directly behind Charlie when he was shot.
If the shot came from the roof with the front
facing shot, there would be unmistakable blood splattered directly behind
Charlie a thirty eard six rifle. A round would have
traveled all the way through the flesh, and it would
have made a very large exit path, carrying blood and
tissue with it. Again for being graphic, but I don't

(02:50:01):
know any other way to ask this question. It's just
that this is one more thing that isn't adding up,
And like you, I just want answers. I want to
know who did this.

Speaker 4 (02:50:10):
Fuck.

Speaker 3 (02:50:10):
If you don't want answers, that's not why you want
what you are asking that question. You want attention, you
fucking shit human being. But hey, ho, fifteenth of September,
somebody else decides to stick there or in and it's
somebody that you know, Brent Well personally somewhat. Yeah, Carland,

(02:50:36):
though I'm sure he had ideas. Right, listen to this
and it will become clear who it is who killed.

Speaker 9 (02:50:45):
Dally Girk, why and what's the reason for, and who
killed Donald Trump's presidency and his hopes of a political dinnerstick, and.

Speaker 12 (02:50:55):
Who killed the Golden Goose Indoorha Katta, and who killed
almost one third of the entire population of the Gaza
strip the glad amongst You might already have noticed that
the answer to all of those questions might be the same.

Speaker 3 (02:51:17):
It is the mother of all doc shows stay tuned
his former MP George Galloway blaming Israel for the murder
of Charlie Kirk. This is five days after it actually happened,
and George Galloway decides to blame Israel. Also, I don't
think he's a well man. His fucking teeth looked like earwax. Like, honestly,

(02:51:41):
go and look just at the at the thumbnail of
that interview is fucking ridiculous, Like it's crazy. But yeah,
he's just looking for attention. So then all of a sudden,
the Guardian reveals that kash Pttel has revealed that not
only did apparently their father give them up and them

(02:52:04):
give themselves up potentially and the roommate give them up
because of some messages that may or may not have
been on discord. Then we find out that a written
note was left by Tyler Robinson, the suspect because he's massively,
massively incompetent. Cash Hotel manages to confuse this too. The

(02:52:28):
Daily Mail first reported that Charlie Cooks alleged assassin, Tyler Robinson,
wrote a note saying that he was going to take
out the conservative commentator before he shot him dead. According
to the FBI director said I have the opportunity to
take out Charlie Kirk and I'm going to take it.
And Cash Mittel said, we know that the note was

(02:52:48):
written before the shooting. It was in the partner's home.
But then see if you can follow this. There is
note we believe did exist, and we have evidence to
show what was in that note, which is, and I'm
going to summarize, the suspect wrote a note basically saying
I have the opportunity to take out Charlie Kirk and
I'm going to take it. The note was written before

(02:53:09):
the shooting, and there was evidence that the note did
exist in the home where Robinson shared that Robinson shared
with his partner, but it was destroyed. But we have
forensic evidence of the note and we've confirmed that the
note says because of our aggressive interview posture at the FBI,
R yes, Yes, lots of people said, what, now, there

(02:53:32):
is actually an explanation for this, like it is actually
fairly straightforward and simple, and we'll come on to that
in a minute. But again, this is the head of
the FBI has already made certain mistakes by announcing the
suspects that were then released and leaking material and all sorts.
Comes out and basically says this gobbledegook that didn't help

(02:53:54):
clear up the situation at all. But he's saying that
there was a note. They know what was in the note,
but they don't have the note because the note was destroyed.
But they're pretty sure, in fact, there's certain that the
note did exist and that they understand what the contents were.
And that's down to the diligence and the aggressive interview
posture of the FBI.

Speaker 2 (02:54:16):
Yeah, so they asked the roommate what was on the note.

Speaker 3 (02:54:23):
What it transpires is that a note was left and
the rummate actually took a photo of it, I believe,
But why he didn't just say that, like, you know,
you've got to remember at this time as well, it's
not clear where these messages are coming from, whether these
messages are on Discord, because Discord has denied that he's
planned anything there who gave them the messages? It's completely crazy,

(02:54:45):
to be quite honest. Luckily, there's somebody who decides to
step into the fray and basically like go come on everyone,
calm heads, calm heads, this is the things that we
can prove. And that person was the Kok Destroyer. Ohenstroyer,
now o insurer, has recently fallen out with our ex

(02:55:07):
jones of Info Wars, and he's now going off and
doing his own show. Do you know what he's Cardy's show?

Speaker 2 (02:55:15):
The Kok Destroyer.

Speaker 3 (02:55:17):
No, no, no, like Star would be better to be
quite honest or Shroyer report. He's called it the Owen Report.
It's awful, isn't it. It doesn't work on a level,
it's ridiculous. Anyway, he's still banging away that he thinks
that it's Israel that's done it. And he tweeted out
the only conclusions I currently feel confident with on Kirk's assassination.

(02:55:42):
One shot directly in the neck to some level of
prior knowledge. Three official story doesn't add up. Key elements
missing for trusting government is so low. Even if they
were telling the truth, people won't believe it. Thank you
for that colossal intellects the cook destroyer. He's just trying

(02:56:07):
to This is what I've sort of gone back over
this and looked at, and it becomes increasingly distasteful because basically,
all of these people who supposed Lea's friend are at
the very least a colleague or are contemporary, they don't
have seem to be trying to exploit their friend's death
and try and make money out of it and get
attention and gain some sort of traction. Ride his coat tails,

(02:56:31):
if you will, or you know, some might say ride
his coffin like a one of those mechanical bulls as
a fairground. It's just despicable basically. Anyway, we have another
anonymous witness. As if there isn't enough confusion, another anonymous
witness comes forward and basically reveals that the transgender boyfriend

(02:56:55):
of Charlie Kirk's alleged assass in, Tyler Robinson, hates Conservatives
and hates Christians, that he goes under say Landswig's, whom
authorities have confirmed was a romantic, was in a romantic
relationship with Robinson, and his transitioning from male to female
began to act differently when he turned eighteen, developing animosity
for his family and for conservative values that he was

(02:57:18):
brought up in. A relative told Fox News Digital, he
hates Conservatives, he hates Christians. The relative, who asked to
remain anonymous, said, so, this is again another anonymous witness
that basically conveniently falls in line with, well, actually the
Alex Jones theory there as he hates conservatives and he

(02:57:39):
hates Christians. Maybe Alex Jones is on something. Maybe we
are actually witnessing a trans satanic death cull Who can say.
The Independent started to glean some more details of the case,
and apparently one are the Discord messages that Tyler Robinson
left was a profession and an apology. Apparently he said,

(02:58:04):
hey guys, I have bad news for you all. It
was me at UVEU yesterday. I'm sorry for all of this.
This was a message from the suspect, Tyler Robinson, on
the platform Discord. The Washington Post went on to say
that a member of the group chat shared an image
of the conversation with the Post and confirmed that it
came from Robinson's account. The person spoke on the condition

(02:58:24):
of anonymity to protect their privacy and out of fear
of harassment. Discord provided a copy of the message with
the confession to authorities, according to a person familiar with
the company's interaction with law enforcement. The person spoke on
the condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to
publicly discuss details of an investigation. The Discord conversation shared

(02:58:46):
with the Post shows members of the group chat reacting
to kirks shooting last Wednesday, before the news broke that
Robinson was allegedly involved. The group included about thirty people,
according to the person who provided screenshots. Charlie Kirk got shot,
one friend wrote Wednesday afternoon, According to the image of
the messages, I just saw the video. Holy shit. Another

(02:59:08):
user wrote about an hour and a half later, adding
of Kirk bro didn't deserve to go out like that.
That's sad. The only response from Tyler Robinson's account came
the next day, with the messaging announcing bad news. I'm
surrendering through a sheriff friend in a few moments. The message,
posted at seven fifty seven pm local time in Utah,

(02:59:29):
continued thanks for all the good times and laughs. You've
all been so amazing. Thank you all for everything. But
the next day, one friend wrote that the apparent confession
seemed to be true. The friend asked group members to
pray for Tyler and his repentance, and then turned to Kirk.
While Charlie Kirk's politics were not acceptable to some, I

(02:59:50):
asked that we all say a prayer for him and
his family during these confusing times, the friend added, Now
that's problematic for the hones going explanation by the FBI.
Did you spot was what was like slightly different from
what's been said already there that his neighbor was a

(03:00:10):
deputy and he was going to turn himself in. Yeah, yeah,
that he's turning himself in. So now we've got the
apparently his father turned him in, he turned himself in.
The roommate potentially or roommate slash, a romantic partner who
may or may not be trans possibly turned him in messages.

(03:00:31):
Are they these messages from discord or are these messages
the roommate? It all becomes clear, but this is just ridiculous.
And then Cash Pattel makes another mistake. He points out
that they've connected the suspect by well. He says, I

(03:00:54):
can report today that the DNA hits on the towel,
that the gun was wrapped in and the screwdriver are
positively processed with the suspecting custody. And again this is
him desperate to show that he's actually doing something and
that the case is going ahead. But Adam Cochran, who
is a journalist who seems pretty up on these things,
points out on Twitter, Tell's just made the dumbest mistake possible.

(03:01:18):
He said that I can report today that the DNA
hits on the towel, that the gun was wrapped in,
and the screwdriver a positively processed for the suspecting custody.
Because that's Cash, You've just tainted the evidence. Now defense
can argue that you've poisoned the jewelry, Paul, by giving
an affirmed, inaccurate statement about scientific evidence without hearing expert testimony,

(03:01:40):
DNA evidence is is not binary. It's probabilistic. Probabilistic, I
see what he's saying there. So he's saying that it's
not definite. It's like it's very likely. Thank you. They'll
also argue that contamination as you were involved in both
evidence locations. T four hours later, DNA evidence is supposed

(03:02:03):
to be only presented by experts. Cash then confirms that
it was the father who turned in the son, contradicting
previous reporting that a trans lover's corporation had led to
the arrest. But this also contradicts the messages that come
out in discord that says that he turned himself in.
So the takeaway from here is that this is not

(03:02:26):
indication of a cover up, which some have taken so
have said, look at this, there's a lot of questions
to be answered. This is not indication of a cover up.
And I say that because I understand now what actually happened,
which we all all do by the end of the episode.
But this just goes to show how dreadful the messaging
from the FBI is and is continuing, And could that

(03:02:50):
be for a number of reasons, as we've already suggested.
For whatever reason, kash Bettel was desperate to pin it
on a trans person also desperate to pin it on
somebody from the left. A lot of pundits and a
lot of people connected to promotion of the Trump administration
were making similar claims. In that sort of environment, it's

(03:03:13):
likely that you might want to please the person that
is responsible and solely in control of your livelihood, which
is your job at the head of the FBI. It
doesn't bode well. Nicholas Suentes decides that now isn't the

(03:03:34):
time to be sort of ranting or raving, so he's
very obviously trying to do some public relations exercises. Beats out.
Charlie Kirk was torent enough at the far left that
he openly and vigorously debated them. The far left killed him.
He never extended this talent to the far right, which
he refused to debate until his death. Now the far
right mourns him. There is a lesson in this, Yeah,

(03:03:55):
there is a lesson in that you're all grasping what's
the word that I'm looking for? That they're taking advantage
of the situation. They're opportunistic there. It's not legitimate, is it.
It's not sincere. These people have seen this as as
a wedge that can be used in the culture war,

(03:04:18):
as something that they can use to get themselves ahead.

Speaker 2 (03:04:21):
What is Charlie Kirk going to debate the far right
on when he's was far right?

Speaker 3 (03:04:28):
Well, this is the thing, Like Charlie Kirk was the
respectable face of the far right. That's why the gropers
were so annoying.

Speaker 1 (03:04:35):
To him.

Speaker 3 (03:04:35):
This is why Nick Quenters is such an adversary in
a foil to him, because he's there going like getting
the game. Nick, we're supposed to use coded language, we're
supposed to use femism. We're supposed to say things that
everybody knows what we're saying, but we're not saying it.
And Nick went is that's exactly the point of the

(03:04:57):
group of wars was, well, we want you to say it,
because unless you say it, they're what's called an accelerationist.
They're all going in the same direction, which is white
dominated Christian nationalism, very akin to fascism, very akin too fascism.
That's what they both want to achieve. Charlie kirk can

(03:05:20):
turning point usay in Caniicoans, even though she's a lady
of color, and all these people connected to it Milenopolis,
they're trying to do it in a sort of soft
selling way, the boiling of the frog, if you will,
that conspiratory theories use again and again, they're going to
try and sort of integrate you in before you know it.

(03:05:40):
Oh this isn't this is just good traditional values. Oh no, shit,
it's fascism. Whereas Nick Frentis. Yeah, whereas Nick find I mean,
that's one of the main if you're actually going back
and look at say Nazi Germany and stuff like that,
it's not the militaristic aspect, it's not the the mechanization

(03:06:01):
of the war machine. It's not even the sort of
Nuremberg rellies and stuff. The sort of typical of that
of what they were trying to achieve and what they
were trying to promote. What they're promoting is girls with
pigtails dancing in fields, the Hitler youth lads going on
fishing trips and scouting. Now, obviously this hugely toxic masculinity

(03:06:24):
like and traad values wrought deep into that, coded into that.
But that's the thing that they're trying to express, that's
the thing that they're trying to sell. It's the violence,
is the mechanism that is used to do that, because
that's the only way that you can you can do
it basically. But hey, ho, Mike Adams, the health ranger,

(03:06:46):
is still trying to be relevant in this whole situation,
but he's wanting to go the more crazy route. He
doesn't realize that basically, Look, now there's a lot of
money to be made in this, so he tweaks out.
I'm still shocked to see how many people in the
alternative media right now one hundred percent buying the FBI
narrative over the Charlie Kirk shooting. The most unreliable source

(03:07:08):
of all is the FBI, and you can see how
they're busy fabricating false evidence by the hour. You're not
much of an independent thinker if you accept everything that
the FBI is claiming is automatically true. Well, damn, damn, damn.
Who knew that my academs would actually come out with something.

Speaker 9 (03:07:25):
That is I mean, what is?

Speaker 3 (03:07:29):
It's not actually to what is? I mean what he's
saying there, he's not look at cash Pttel. He's obviously
gotten a various sort of motives behind this. He's he's
obviously covering for something or trying to manipulate things in
some way. He's saying, you can't trust institutions. Come on, guys,
get back on the crazy train. Come on, It's far

(03:07:51):
more fun on the crazy train. But other people like
Alex Alex Jones, they're like, no, we can use this
because he's basically attacking the same people that we want
to attack, and so Alex tweets out a trans death
cal operating out of Utah oversaw and commanded the execution
of Charlie Kirk. Investigators have now discovered watched live below

(03:08:14):
for the latest developments, which you needn't I needn't tell
you is not what's happened and not what has been said.
Like Alex has somehow managed to spin those really so
those discord messages that say basically like oh damn ship,
like that's apparently an indication to Alex that that there's

(03:08:38):
a satanic trans death cult at play here. But that's
really yeah, that's it. That's the thing that he's going with.
He's totally going with trans Satanic death cult and coordinated.
He's trying to sort of mash it together with Antifa,
like in the with the idea that antifa's sort of
like like the French Resistance or like in Helolo where

(03:09:01):
they all dressed the same and all sort of staying
in the same building and whatnot. It doesn't work like that.
It's an idea, it's an ideology. It's not a centralized organization.

Speaker 2 (03:09:10):
Kind of like fascism.

Speaker 3 (03:09:13):
Hmmm A little bit. Yeah, But I don't think he's
got the self awareness for that, but but yeah, that's
what he's absolutely going for. And as we've said previously,
it's part of the Pedesta battle plan, which is not
a real thing. I'm en sure. It's still battering away
desperately trying to be relevant since he's left Info Wars

(03:09:34):
and is slowly realizing that nobody really gives a shit
if he exists or not. And he tweets out people
aren't believing the official narrative, and he does like a
video basically summing up his thoughts. He says that people
don't believe the government because of the Epstein cover up,
and that he thinks that there is evidence of multiple

(03:09:54):
shooters from various places alongside the roof. He suggests that
that maybe the guy on the roof was just a distraction.
His evidence for this is that he thinks he sees
reflections of muzzle flashes from various places around the sort
of courtyard where Charlie was speaking.

Speaker 2 (03:10:16):
But we have video of the shooting.

Speaker 3 (03:10:21):
Yeah, there's one shot, but there is debate as to
whether that is an entrance or an exit wound, mostly
from people that have no clue about absolutely anything we've
already seen, like Mike Adams has said this is something
suspicious because he didn't see Charlie Kirk's like guts and
whatnot blown out all over the back like some sort

(03:10:42):
of Japanese samurai film. Owin Troy is now starting to
say that he thinks that he was shot from behind.
He doesn't, he doesn't believe that there was a man
dressed as a bush, but he does think that maybe
that's where the shot was taken from. And then other people,
I think it was Stu Peters and other sort of

(03:11:04):
lower level idiots. They're fully of the opinion that it
was one of the two men stood in front of
Charlie Kirk, just off to the left in the audience
that shot him with a palm pistol without looking at him.
But Ouran Shroyer is saying that there's numerous and the
numerous shooters and it's convoluted. But the reason that you're

(03:11:25):
saying this is essentially so that you can blame Israel.
If there were multiple shooters. It shows two things. One
that this was an operation that was planned and had
a lot more people involved with it in it rather
than just some disgruntled kid of whatever political persuasion and Two,
if there were multiple shooters all over the place, this

(03:11:46):
means that the evidence of those multiple shooters must have
been covered up, which is why there isn't any which
is why I'm insurer is such an astute investigator. He
will look at the evidence that isn't even there. In
that that same sort of spirit. He also claims that
there's been.

Speaker 13 (03:12:06):
Dozens and dozens, if not hundreds, of murders of Trump
supporters at rallies all over the country, and this was
happening during.

Speaker 3 (03:12:18):
The presidential campaign. At any time there's a political rally
where Republicans get together, there's numerous mass stabbings and people
shot to death. But we don't know about this, Brent,
because the media. It's because the media has chosen not
to cover it.

Speaker 2 (03:12:36):
But we also watched their stuff and I don't remember
them covering it.

Speaker 3 (03:12:41):
No, no, no, they did. I mean, it's almost as
if he'd just made this up, because I mean, it is,
it's just made up. But then that was one of
his reasons to think that again, it's really Israel that
was the culprits behind Charlie koks fascination. Hm, I'm not convinced.

(03:13:03):
I have to say I'm not convinced. September sixteenth, and
something that seems to sort of twist the story even
further comes out. The Male reports that the transgender lover
of Charlie Kirk's alleged assassin supported anti woke author Jordan Peterson.

(03:13:24):
Read the posts seemed to show ready. Posts previously reared
by The Daily Mail appeared to support that, but further
messages showed that Robinson's romantic partner Lance Twiggs, was a
fan of Peterson, even though he has famously railed against
radical leftist movements, especially around gender identity pronouns and the
trans movement. Postmade around twenty twenty twenty twenty one express

(03:13:48):
Twigs admiration for Peterson, saying his teachings were tied to
personal growth and becoming a better person. In forums discussing Peterson,
Twigs admitted to having once been openly transfer despite being
transgender himself. He didn't that's the editorial from the Daily Mail,
they say, despite him being transgender himself. An account from

(03:14:11):
an online reddit forum with the username Lancelot posted extensively
in a group for transgender issues, but it was but
as his posts about Jordan Peterson that may come as
the biggest surprise. This is the stuff I love seeing
on this subreddit. Not political, just pure personal growth. Attributed
to ideas from Jordan use A. Lancelot with a three
said in a response to post about people being saved

(03:14:33):
by Peterson, Jordan's sub should be about personal growth and
becoming a better person, not a bunch of people acting
like edgy fourteen year olds over an old article on
an unreliable site. Responding to a negative post about Peterson,
Lance said, I'm generally confused by this sub Sometimes I
read Twelve Rules, which is Peterson's most popular book, and joined,

(03:14:54):
unless he is a whole different person outside his writing,
it seems like people use him to leverage their own
around them ideas well. There might be something to that anyway.
This isn't related to what you're saying, but I felt
it like throwing it out there. In other posts, Lancelot
confessed to being previously transphobic and agreed that gender dysphoria
can be diagnosed too quickly. He wrote, I guess we

(03:15:17):
simply view this topic differently. I agree that dysphoria is
diagnosed too quickly, especially with teens who simply are struggling
with self image issues. But in my mind, if someone
wants to make decisions that change their mind, it's their
life to do that. With the account believed we linked
to twigs or so wrote, I used to be extremely
openly transphobic, but I grow out of it, as well

(03:15:39):
as meeting some nice transgender individuals. If your reason is
that the child is ruining their body, that's one hundred
percent their choice and it doesn't affect you. I genuinely
want to know why you are so strongly opinionated on this.
So that's interesting because this supposed leftist is a fan
of Jordan Peterson. Joan Peterson is usually favored by people

(03:16:03):
on the right. Now, there's a number of things that
ways that we could look at. This would just this
indicate that perhaps they were not being completely truthful about
the leftist political feelings of these people. Maybe could it
be that this person just found something useful in Jordan
Peterson's self help books. Yes, maybe it could be that.

(03:16:26):
But it's muddying the waters, isn't it. This is one
of those things that it certainly doesn't seem to be
as clear cut as well the FBI would have you believe.
Chin also pointed out that alleged free speech champions are
now campaigning against speech they don't like, and they wrote
an article that said there's more than a little irony

(03:16:47):
in the fact that the acolytes of slain white right
wing provocateur Charlie Kirk hel does a champion of free speech,
have spent the days since his death working hard to
attack people and even get them fired for facturally social
media posts at Kirk's noxious and loudly broadcast political beliefs.
A website called Charlie's Murderers want to silence not only

(03:17:08):
the handom of random folks alleged to celebrated Kirk's death
in brackets. I have literally not seen a single social
media post like that, but those who have described accurately
his racist, homophobic, sexist, and his Semitic, anti Muslim, and
anti immigrant views blasted to all who will listen. Charlie's

(03:17:28):
Murderer's website says that is collected more than thirty thousand
submissions of people said to be celebrating Kirk's death and
or calling for violence. I couldn't access the site on Monday,
but other media outlets have reported seeing a few, if
have reported seeing few, if any, calls for violence.

Speaker 9 (03:17:47):
JD.

Speaker 3 (03:17:47):
Vance goes on the television and criticizes the article written
by the magazine in the Nation as being financed by
George Soros, which it isn't in any way. Vance said,
while our side of the aisle certainly has its crazes,
it is a statistical fact that most of the lunatics

(03:18:07):
in American politics today are proud members of the far left.
And that's just a lie, a down and eyeliner wearing
count fucking lie. Sawe responded. Jedd Vance's claim lacks statistical evidence,
dated from CSIS nineteen ninety four to twenty twenty shows

(03:18:28):
a right wing extremists behind fifty seven percent of terrorist
incidents and three hundred and thirty five deaths versus left
wings twenty five percent and only twenty two deaths. The
DHS twenty twenty five report highlights threats from various DVEs
but doesn't indicate far left dominance. UMD studies find that
left wing acts are left fight are less violent than

(03:18:49):
the right wing in the US and so which is
completely accurate. There's a chart for murders by politically motivated
murders by political motivation, where it's left wing or right wing.
From nineteen seventy five to nineteen ninety four, there were
thirty six right wing murders and less than ten left

(03:19:10):
wing murders. From nineteen eighty five to nineteen ninety four,
that trend actually shifted. There were fourteen left wing murders
and only eight right wing murders. In nineteen ninety five
to two thousand and four, there were one hundred and
ninety five right wing murders and nomas on the left wing.
From two thousand and five to twenty fourteen, there were
forty five murders on the right wing and less than

(03:19:33):
ten on the left wing. From twenty fifteen to twenty
twenty five, to thirty seven murders on the left wing,
but one hundred and seven politically motivated murders in America
by the right wing. It's it's despicable. Now. Remember I
briefly brought up earlier this idea from the Heritage Foundation,

(03:19:54):
the Oversight Project, to try and make trans people someone
terrorists essentially by existing. This is called what they want
to do is they want to introduce something that they
they've decided to call transgender ideology inspired violent extremism or

(03:20:16):
TITHE ti V.

Speaker 2 (03:20:19):
Now that is an acronym.

Speaker 3 (03:20:21):
Acronym. Yeah, this is it. So that this is something
that we're going to hear a lot about now, and
this could be the motivation behind the FBI trying to
pin this crime on a transperson or trying to indicate
that this is some way connected to trans politics. Now,

(03:20:42):
let me just read this is a proposal from the
Heritage Foundation. Transgender ideology is a belief that holly or
partially rejects fundamental science about human sex being biologically determined
before birth, binary and immutable. How just you straight away,
that's not that's not true. That is not true, and

(03:21:06):
it's never a good thing for a sort of a
proposal for a law or policy should start with a
foundation that is not true. But heho, there's gone rejects science.
The Herity Foundation is a fundamentally Christian organization. There is
a degree of irony there. Let's let's not get bogged
down anyway. Transgender ideology is a belief that holly or

(03:21:30):
partially rejects fundamental science about human sex being biologically determined
before birth, binary and immutable. Transgender inspired transgender ideology inspired
violence and extremism. Tithe This threat encompasses the potentially unlawful
use or threat of force or violence, including incitement to
unlawful violence, in furtherance of ideological agendas derived from transgender

(03:21:55):
ideology and related beliefs, including the belief that violence is
justified against people who oppose TI, who decline to support
or affirm TI, or who were silent or indifferent regarding TI,
or the belief that opposing TI, declining to support or
affirm TI, or remaining silent or indifferent regarding TI A

(03:22:19):
itself constitutes a form of violence towards people who identify
as any variant of transgender or gender and unconforming B
is a true threat to the existence of such persons,
or sing pose as an imminent threat to such persons emotional, psychological,
or physical safety, including through self harm and suicide. Now

(03:22:44):
there's a lot to unpack there. I've read through this
quite a few times, and as far as I can see,
what this means is that if you think opposing trans ideology,
like even to the point where you think that trans
people are an abomination like Charlie Kirk did, or that
they shouldn't exist, if you think that might contribute towards

(03:23:09):
a genuine threat to the existence of trans ideology and
trans people, then you might be considered an extremist. So
let's just pass that out.

Speaker 1 (03:23:18):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (03:23:19):
If you think that somebody saying that trans people probably
shouldn't exist might be a threat to their existence, that
might make you an extremist.

Speaker 1 (03:23:34):
Think you're a terrorist.

Speaker 3 (03:23:36):
Pretty much, you're an extremist. But that's what they're getting at,
because they said they want to make tithe a thing
in the same way as like sort of radical Islamic
terrorism or you know, far right terrorism, which strangely they
don't talk about. But it's worse reading this through. If
you think opposing the existence of trans people, which this

(03:23:59):
is the wording taken from the thing, if you think
the belief that opposing trans ideology might cause emotional or
psychological damage to trans people, you're an extremist.

Speaker 2 (03:24:14):
This this is gaslighting.

Speaker 3 (03:24:15):
One oh one. It's ridiculous, isn't it right. Also, if
you think that opposing trans ideology and trans people might
in some circumstances lead to the suicide or self harm
of a trans person, you're an extremist. So if you

(03:24:36):
thought that maybe if someone was trying to come out
to their parents and said I'm trans, and they said,
we don't believe you because trans people don't exist. And
that rejection by the parents led to that person committing
suicide just by hypothetically imagining that I am an extremist
in the eyes of this bill. It's fucked up. Now.

(03:24:59):
Do you want to know something else that is wildly ironic?
Seeing as were on the subject of trans people, Do
you want to know what happened in there Is Only
where Charlie Kirk's memorial service was held. Dozens and dozens, hundreds,
thousands of Republicans all turned up in the same area,

(03:25:20):
all of them going to Charlie Kirk's memorial and two
things happened. According to porn Hub, searches for trans porn
went through the roof, and according to Grinder, activity on
there was so frequent that it caused the website and
the app to shut down. And this always always correlates

(03:25:42):
whenever there is a Republican meeting, a sea pack, a
political rally, a Trump administration rally, Trump's presidential campaigns. Every
time one of those comes into town, searches for trans
and gay porn go through the roof, and the Grinder
app sizzles, so much it melts in your fucking phone.

(03:26:06):
It's almost as if this violent need to project hatred
onto trans people and describe them as some sort of
demonic other might be in some way projection now JD
Vance as well as sort of accusing George Soros of
writing stories to demonize Charlie Kirk, he decides that the

(03:26:30):
best way the best way in the land of the free.
And remember as well that Jady Vans recently came over
to you and criticized europe En Mass for its lack
of free speech because it had the temerity to lock
people up that suggested that migrants should be burned to death. Well, JD.

(03:26:52):
Vance thinks that a mass doxing effort to track down
intimiday and harass people perceived to not have sufficiently more
the killing of the Right Way actist Charlie Kirk should
be endorsed. The US Vice President guest hosted Kirk's podcast
on Monday and said that people who see someone celebrating
Charlie's murder should call them out. He added, hell call

(03:27:15):
their employer. We don't believe in political violence, but we
do believe in civility, and there's no civility in the
celebration of political assassination. Now, I'd like to remind people
that in July twenty twenty, Donald Trump made a speech
where he described cancel culture as far left fascism that
drives people from their jobs, shame's dissenters and demands total

(03:27:36):
submission from anyone who disagrees. Calling it and I quote
the very definition of totalitarianism. Just hypocrites, absolute hypocrites in
every sense of the word. So, Tyler Robinson is in
court on this particular day, and then suddenly the story
changes again. It's his mother who turned him in. No,

(03:28:02):
his father, and not the roommate. The Utah County attorney
Jeff Gray noted it was the mother of suspected shooter
Tyler Robinson who identified him through photos released by authorities.
Here's how the identification unfolded. According to Greg, on the
evening of September the eleventh, as law enforcement continued their investigation,
Tyler James Robinson went to Washington County Sheriff's office with

(03:28:25):
his parents and a family friend to turn himself in.
Robinson's mother stated the following to the police. On September
of the eleventh, the day after the shooting, Robinson's mother
saw the photo of the shooter in the news and
thought the shooter looked like her son. Robinson's mother called
her son and asked where he was. He said he
was at home sick, and that he'd also been at
home sick on September the tenth. Robinson's mother expressed concern

(03:28:47):
to her husband that the suspects shooter looked like Robinson.
Robinson's father agreed. Now this is important. Robinson's mom explained
that over the last year or so, Robinson had become
more political and had starting to lean more to the left,
becoming more pro gay and trans right oriented. She stated

(03:29:09):
that Robinson began to date his roommate, a biological male
who was transitioning genders. Court documents filed on Tuesday. This
resulted in several discussions with family members, but especially between
Robinson and his father, who have very different political views. Now,
just point out that being gay, as we've said before,

(03:29:29):
is not left leaning. Lance Ship posted about Biden. Lance
followed Jordan Peterson in gay is not a left wing thing?
Could it be that this couple were gay? Potentially one
of them thought they might be trans and the only
explanation that certain relatives, including Robinson's mum, have is that

(03:29:54):
can't occur naturally. That has to be left wing indoctrination,
because that sounds like it's the mother who associates left
wing politics with being pro gay And if they are
pretty hardcore maga, which is potentially how they've been described,

(03:30:16):
could it be that even tolerant, just being tolerant of
gay people existing having a relationship with other people, Maybe
that is what she thinks is left wing and so
maybe that is the only evidence that we actually have
of any left wing leanings from the suspect. Now a

(03:30:42):
document is released that that explains that what happened here
and it all starts to become clear, Adam Cochran, the
the excellent journalist says. In the document, we learn that
he's surrendered to the police, confirming it was not messages
from the trans lover who turned him in and not
the work of the FBI. The note that his roommate

(03:31:03):
was in a relationship with Tyler, but can you notice
the claim that they dropped The entire trans narrative is gone.
So Tyler and his roommate were gay or by and
potentially in the closet in Mormon Utah. And so what
Adam Cochran says here is that the entire trans narrative

(03:31:25):
was political bullshit. Now, in the police report, it says
police interviewed Robinson's roommate, a biological male who was involved
in a romantic relationship with Robinson. The roommate told police
that the roommate received messages from Robinson about the shooting
and provided those messages to police. On September the tenth,
twenty twenty five, the roommate received a text message from
Robinson which said, drop what you're doing, look under my keyboard.

(03:31:48):
The roommate looked under the keyboard and found a note
that stated I had the opportunity to take out Charlie
Kirk and I'm going to take it. Police found a
photograph of this note, so you see what happen. And
Tyler texts Lance who is his boyfriend? They are in
a romantic relationship, but there's nothing in the report that
says he's trans. The only thing that's come out with

(03:32:11):
these trands is the anonymous relationship, sorry, the anonymous relative
and the mother who says my son's in a relationship
with some gay boy or some trans person or something.
He's gone right left wing. So that's come from relatives
and their potential misunderstanding or lack of understanding of what's

(03:32:33):
happening because of their own personal politics. So he texts Lance,
and texts and says, look under the keyboard. Lance goes
and looks under the keyboard and finds this note, says,
I took out Charlie Kirk Robinson. So the roommate responded

(03:32:55):
by saying, what you're joking? And then there there is
a series of text messages that were released. Tyler says,
I'm still okay, my love, but I'm stuck in on
rom for a little longer yet, shouldn't be long until
I could come home, but I've got to grab my
rifle still. To be honest, I had hoped to keep
this secret till I died of old age. I'm so

(03:33:16):
sorry to have involved you. Lance said you weren't the
one who did it, right, Tyler says, I am. I'm
sorry Lance. I thought they caught the person, and Tyler responds, no,
they grabbed some crazy old dude then interrogated someone in
simmer clothing. I'd planned to grab my rifle from my
drop point shortly after, but most of that side of

(03:33:37):
town got locked down. It's quiet almost enough to get out,
but there's one vehicle lingering. Lance says why, to which
Tyler responds, why did I do it? Yeah, responds Lance,
I had enough of his hatred. Some hate can't be
negotiated out. If I am able to grab my rifle unseen,

(03:33:58):
I will have left no evidence. Going to tempt to
retrieve it again. Hopefully they've moved on. I haven't seen
anything about them finding it that's there. Asked how long
have you been planning this, to which Tyler says a
bit over a week. I believe I can get close
to it, but there's a squad car park right by it.
I think they already swept that spot, but I don't

(03:34:18):
want to chance it. Text I'm wishing i'd circled back
and grabbed it as soon as I got my vehicle.
I worried about what my old man would do if
I didn't bring back Grandpa's rifle. I don't know if
it had a serial number, but I wouldn't, but it
wouldn't trace to me. I worry about Prince as I
had to leave it in a bush where I changed outfits.
I didn't have the ability to or time to bring

(03:34:39):
it back. I might have to abandon it and hope
they don't find prints. How the fuck will I explain
losing it to my old man. The only thing I
left was the rifle wrapped in a towel. Remember how
I was engraving bullets. The fucking messages are mostly a
big meme. If I see notice as bulge whoo on

(03:35:00):
Fox News, I might have a stroke. All right, I'm
going to have to leave it. That really fucking sucks.
He also goes on to say, judge for today, I'd
say that Grandpa's gun does just fine. I think that
was a two thousand dollars scope. Delete this exchange. My
dad wants photos of the rifle, he says. Grandpa wants

(03:35:20):
to know who has what. The Feds released a photo
of the rifle, and it's very unique. He's calling me
right now, but I'm not answering. Since Trump got into office,
my dad has been pretty die hard.

Speaker 1 (03:35:32):
Maga.

Speaker 3 (03:35:34):
I'm going to turn myself in willingly. One of my
neighbors here is a deputy for the sheriff. All I
worry about love, I'm much more worried about you. Don't
talk to the media, please, don't take any interviews or
make any comments. If the police ask you for questions,
ask for a lawyer, and stay silent. And the journalist

(03:35:55):
Adam Cochrane writes on Twitter. The messages also note that
the bullets were means, almost sounding like they may have
been engraved at an entirely separate time, unrelated. They were
not pro trans antifa leftist ideology. And here's the kicker.
The FBI had these texts whilst Patel was going on

(03:36:18):
television and telling people that this was a trans ideology
inspired violent extremist act. FBI knew that wasn't a thing.
There's nothing in the police or FBI reports that indicates
that Lance's trans. He might be, We don't know. He
has looked at trans message boards on Reddit, but so

(03:36:41):
of a lot of people. That doesn't necessarily mean, as
we've just said, that's a particular interest of Republicans every
time there's a convention, but not a lot of them
are trans. Who can say, but this is the point.
The FBI appeared to have completely fabricated a narrative, and

(03:37:02):
it just happened to be a coincidence that Donald Trump
wanted to impose a transgender gun ban and that project.
Twenty twenty five, Heritage Foundation decided that they wanted to
introduce this idea of tivee and the idea that if
you're in any way sympathetic to the ideology of people

(03:37:24):
being trans or their struggle in life, you could be
considered an extremist. Adam Cochran goes on to so the
FBI had texts from Tyler saying that the bullet comments
were memes, but during that time cash Pttel was still
telling people of its Antifa and pro trans affiliations. That
is despicable. We also see the supposed claims of being

(03:37:48):
a leftist come only from Tyler's mother and are based
solely on his shift to pro LGBTQ issues, and that
the clue that the roommate was transition is also only
cited from the mother and not from anyone else in
any other evidence. So do you see they've seized on

(03:38:13):
let's hypothesize and we're all speculating. But what it appears
is that basically this is a couple of kids that
grew up in incredibly conservative backgrounds. Lands Apparently when they
found out he was gay, they tried to take him
to the bishop to get the demon out of him,
and he was kicked out of home. Could imagine that

(03:38:33):
this is the type of environment where people aren't massively
open to being gay, and so even showing a lack
of hatred towards the gay population, or showing sort of
like you know that you're an ally or that you
don't have a problem with them, that goes against particularly

(03:38:54):
in say, very very hard called Christian organization, so Christian community,
that could be considered as not a biological thing, but
it must be the result of some sort of bizarre
ideology morphing your political viewpoint, potentially in this Internet that

(03:39:16):
they're on all the time that we also don't understand.
Adam Karpin goes on to say Kashmte widely bungled this investigation.
He lied on TV about things they already knew to
be and true, and he's put in jeopardy serious parts
of the case. They constructed a political narrative to try
and pursue an unfounded federal case, because as you remember,
if it's a hate crime, it can be federal. The

(03:39:39):
claims of the roommate being trans and Tyler being a
leftist stem from one political source and not from hard
evidence or Tyler himself. Tyler had one issue he cared about,
and that was being hated on for his sexuality. Tyler
acted alone. The FBI knew this even then when they
were talking to the press about conspiracies with leftist I

(03:40:00):
can remember were sending all those people on Discord the
twenty not a thing. It's not a thing. Tyler also
turned himself in willingly, and that is often sufficient enough
to remove the death penalty from an aggravated case. So
just to explain what happened, Tyler commits the acts. He

(03:40:21):
then goes on to text Lance and tells him that
there's a note. The note is under the keyboard. Lance
takes a picture of it, but then destroys the physical note.
Then they have the text exchange in which he explains
what's happened. At some point also during those that time period,

(03:40:41):
he goes on Discord and explains to his friends in
the Discord that he did it. So Discord was not
lying when they said that he did not plan any
violence on Discord. He didn't. All his friends on Discord
had no knowledge of this. His boyfriend had no knowledge
of this, no organized leftist group. This is one disgruntled

(03:41:04):
right winger who happens to be gay. Is he a groper? No,
he's not a groper. He's also not a trans radicalized terrorist.
It's actually just a case of two people that nobody's

(03:41:27):
suggesting for a second that you're justifinding murdering Charlie Kirk,
even if Charlie Kirk was the most homophobic person on
the planet, even as he said, some hatred can't be
negotiated with. It's not a justification for the murder of
him by any stretch of the imagination. Okay, But for
the FBI and the government to seize this and to

(03:41:48):
try and turn it into something to persecute people, and
persecute a minority group that's got nothing to do with
this is revolting. So who handed himself in? What happened, Well,
what happened was the mum saw a picture, the mum

(03:42:10):
thought it was Tyler. The mum got in touch with
the dad. The dad got in touch with the son.
The dad then debated what to do, and he went
to his priest and asked his priest whether he should
turn in his son. The priest said, yeah, absolutely, But

(03:42:31):
Tyler turned himself in to the deputy. So they were
all to a degree involved in him making that decision,
but it was him making that decision. So you can
see how all the elements that were massively, massively sort
of bungled and fucked up by Cash Bttel, they're all

(03:42:51):
actually clear. But the problem is he's trying to spin
a lie, he's trying to spin a narrative, and he's
also shit at his job because he's not qualified to
do it. So that's why the messaging was so very
very poor. But obviously when the text come out, that
was it. The Internet went, well, it seems to be
all tied up neatly and neatly and nicely, and they
sort of just gone with their lives. Do you think

(03:43:14):
that have a Brent?

Speaker 1 (03:43:15):
Absolutely not.

Speaker 3 (03:43:17):
No, of course he fucking didn't. The Internet completely didn't
believe it. They found that the evidence was too convenient.
Matt Walsh, a Nazi on the Internet, said, I am
leaning very strongly towards the theory that this text exchange
was scripted as a way to absolve the boyfriend. It's
almost exactly like what Walter White did at the end
of Breaking Bad. This feels like a strategy they cooked

(03:43:38):
up from watching too much TV, Right, Okay, fair enough.
They we're just in the realm of like, well, no,
this is what's there. But if we really but if
we imagine the elements that aren't there too, then maybe
it was this. Ian Carroll pointed out, I think I
got away with it and didn't leave any evidence. So

(03:44:00):
let me text you all the details about the crime
and leave the perfect digital paper trail of my guilt.
Steve Bannon said, I am particularly not buying those text messages.
It seems too much like a script, actually a bad script.
Someone called Rothbard seventeen seventy six treats this, which sums

(03:44:20):
up the concerns of some I've tried not to be
a conspiracy theorist, but I have a really hard time believing.
In a short text exchange, the alleged shooter makes his confession,
confirms the location of the weapon, confirms the type of weapon,
confirms it was wrapped in a towel, confirms his motive,
exonerates the decoy George sin admidst the bullet engravings, confirms
the wardrobe change, confirms how long he's been planning it,

(03:44:43):
discloses the existence in the location of a now destroyed
pre written confession note randomly tells his boyfriend that his
dad is a die hard maga, as if he wouldn't
already know given the nature of their relationship, and he's
worried about his dad Grandpa being upset if he doesn't
come home with a rifle, not the fact that he
just used it to commit murder. Not to mention a

(03:45:03):
twenty two year old terminly on Zion Zoomer using phrases
like squad car drop points, swept the area my vehicle
till I died of old age, my old man. I'm sorry,
I just don't believe that. Candice Owens flat out says
that the text message of Tyler Robinson Release of the
Governments are doctored and fake. She claims that the messages
were cherry picked and placed strategically to spush to push

(03:45:26):
a specific narrative. A narrative. Owens insists that they should
be released with timestamps and that every single message should
be made public. These messages are clearly doctored, colossal intellect.
Jackie Devoy says these are clearly fake, so much so
it has to be deliberate. Kids in their twenties don't
write like that. They sound like the bloody Bronte's. Also,

(03:45:50):
text messages don't look like that. Where the original fucking
you stupid, stupid woman text messages don't look like that? Yes,
where are the original messages and timestamps? This type sheet
has been pushed on purpose by a complicit media. Why, yeah,
those aren't the real fucking text messages. You know that's

(03:46:10):
a transcript of the text messages even on the left.
Brooklyn Dad defiant said, I don't believe these text messages
were written by Tyler Robinson. For a second. I don't
know him personally, but I don't know that. No twenty
two year old rights text messages like that. It feels
like that Steve BUSHEMI skateboard meme. How do you feel,
fellow kids? The problem with that, right, okay, is that

(03:46:35):
basically they're going to have to bring these up in
a court of law. They're going to have to show metadata,
They're going to have to show the origin of these things.
To fake that would be outrageous, and we've already seen
they aren't particularly good at faking stuff. Also, if there
were to fake it, if the FBI were to fake it,
there's been violently pursuing this transangle. Why is the non

(03:47:00):
mention of their transmilitant group in these fake texts. The
riot seemed pissed off that this basically don't say, well, comrade,
this is the first of our communist transactions. Next up
we kill Nick Fuentes or something like that. They're like,

(03:47:20):
it's ridiculous. It's like, oh, so also this idea that
like he'd left no evidence before this, he left loads
of fucking evidence. He was caught on camera, he was
caught on CCTV. His fingerprints were all over the gun.
Like he is not a master criminal, Like he's just

(03:47:41):
some kid that made a stupid, stupid decision for reasons
that will probably never never fully understand.

Speaker 2 (03:47:50):
One thing I want to say though about these these
text messages is I didn't see the transcript of it
as well, and I did think, okay, we're not seeing
like time stamps on the here, and some of the
conversation looks like cut and paste, like there's bits missing
or something, maybe maybe from from Lance. But you know

(03:48:16):
what I did think is, well, maybe some of that
stuff is super incriminating, so they've left it out because
they need to use it for the court case.

Speaker 3 (03:48:25):
Yeah, yeah, that that's entirely a point that other people
have pointed out that basically this might be but a
retelling of it or a sort of a concise message,
like a pre seed version of the actual conversation. It
could be that the actual conversation was so steeped in
fucking gen z slang and stuff like that that nobody

(03:48:47):
would have understood it. It's like just just one eighty
seven c K skibberd. The fuck does this mean? Like
do you know what I mean? Like, I don't think
that was the case. But and again, bearing in mind
that literally everything that the FBI have put out before,
it is entirely plausible that their messaging on this has

(03:49:08):
not been consistent. But it doesn't fall in line with
the conspiracy theory. If the conspiracy theory is so, why
is the FBI sort ofly now going against their own
narrative with these text messages. That doesn't make sense to me.
I do understand people sort of like suspicions of it,

(03:49:31):
But that is the most interesting point of it that
seems to me is that they're desperately trying to push this.
It's a group of radicalized trans is an organization kin
to a terrorist group, and it's definitely leftist, and there's
no evidence to suggest that at all. But there is
evidence suggests that he was a right winger, like a
moderate right winger that came from a right wing family

(03:49:53):
that happened to be gay, and that's why people have
smeared him as left so to speak. Nick Fwent has
had ideas about the assassin of Charlie Kirk. He pointed
out that they that Tyler Robinson has and I quote,
suspicious links to Jackson Hinkel's American Communist Party. Yeah, Nicholas

(03:50:19):
fantasy be put on and he didn't put this on
Twitter because this is too mad for Twitter if you
put it on a telegram. Stephen Crowder claimed in Mug
Club that Tyler Robinson was in has Al Din's ACP
discord server. Since the killing, ACP raised some of their channels,
which is extremely guilty behavior. If you look at some
of the accounts saying that I am an Israeli shill

(03:50:42):
for saying that Tyler Robinson was most likely the killer,
many of them are ACP affiliated accounts pushing the narrative.
They're astroturfing this for obvious reasons. He then went on
to say very strange information warfare happening right now against
the groupers. First, they're seemingly top down conspiracy to frame
Gropers for the murder. Now the ACP botting this campaign

(03:51:05):
on x calling mir Schill Apparently an Antifa thug from
Detroit went to a CWC Patriot Front event in California
pretending to be a groper in an attempt to jump
them be vigilant. Remember, the left celebrated and justified the killing,
then turned around and said that Gropers did it. Now,
these Jackson Hinkle third worldists say, I'm Michill for not

(03:51:25):
automatically blaming Israel for the death of Charlie Kirk. Now
I think of it. You know what, Max Bluemantal Cannis Owens,
Tucker Carlson, and Jackson Hinkel all have one thing in
common Russia. Now this is interesting, right because this is
Nick Fuentes right. Realizing that he's done two things. He

(03:51:46):
said that there's no evidence that Israel have done this,
and a lot of his fans went, but Nick, we
hate the Jews, that's our thing. Why aren't you using
this as an opportunity to hate the Jews? And I
don't know I mean, he's right, there's no and it's
to suggested that it is to do with Israel, but
it's probably more likely that his current rival, Candice Owens.
She came out and intimated very strongly that it was

(03:52:09):
Israel along with people that Nick is opposed to, and
so he can't doesn't want to go with them as well,
that that must inform his decision. This shows that he
now realizes that piss like, we're gonna have to He's
still trying to sort of pin it on the left,
so he's basically saying that sort of the American Communist organization.

(03:52:29):
But the American Communist Organization isn't what you think. Jackson
Hinkle is what is called a fascist communist, which is
not a real thing. He's just a fucking Nazi that
calls himself a communist. I don't know why like, but
the man is a prat and he is one of
the people, if you remember, right at the start, was
saying that he thought it was Israel as well. Why

(03:52:50):
Nick has decided to say that they're all in bed
with Russia. I've got absolutely no idea, to be quite honest.
And you'll notice that he didn't include on there Tim Poole,
who definitely he has been financed by Russia, probably because
Temples stuck up for him. But again, this is just
an indication of what grasping, opportunistic, weasily slimy bastards, all

(03:53:11):
of these people are all in it for themselves, all
desperately trying to deflect responsibility away from what they do,
which is rile up people on the Internet and try
and ferment political change. Adam Cochran suns it up. He says,
it's crazy, how right when conspiracy folks are both like, ah,
these texts aren't fake because he wasn't talking about communism enough,

(03:53:34):
But also, how dare you question the FBI and his mother?
They clearly know of his hidden transagender. Can you not
pick a lane? And that perfectly encapsulates it, doesn't it.
It's like you're choosing to believe the f fift they're
accusing you, Oh soly everyone believes the official story and
stuff like that. You chose to believe the bits of

(03:53:55):
it that suited your purpose that you absolutely did. Adam
Krchran goes out to say, also, the best way to
read it skeptically is that these were paraphrased recreations of
deleted texts received an interview with the partner after what
Cash called aggressive interrogation posture. While it's good to be skeptical,
I don't think they'd been saying to fully create texts

(03:54:17):
out of thin air, specifically texts that don't support the
narrative that the FBI and Cash, Bettel and Donald Trump
have been trying to push. Also, basically, these are the
same people that didn't understand the memes and now claiming
to know how young adults talk in texts. Basically. So yeah,

(03:54:40):
So the report of the story of how he turned
himself in is finally sort of explained, which we've gone over.
Robinson's father said that his wife came to him having
recognized the surveillance image of the suspect, and he agreed
that it looked like their son. He also believed that
the rifle that the police suspected the shooter had used
matched rifle that was given to his son as a

(03:55:02):
gift that was previously his grandfather's. As a result, Robinson's
father contacted his son asked him to send a photo
of the rifle, but Robinson did not respond. Kremmer, in
the text exchange, she said, he's asking for a picture
of the rifle. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (03:55:16):
I was wondering why he was asking for Now I
get it. He's like, show me the rifle that you
have the rifle right now.

Speaker 3 (03:55:22):
And it's because then, yeah, exactly. Yeah. Robinson implied that
he planned to commit suicide, and so Robinson's parents were
able to convince him, don't do that. Come and meet
him at our home, and when they discussed it, they
implied that he was the shooter and stated that he

(03:55:43):
couldn't go to jail and just wanted to end it.
When he asked why he did it, Robinson explained there
was too much evil and Charlie Kirk spreads too much hate.
They talked about Robinson turning himself in and convinced Robinson
to speak with a family friend who was a retired deputy.
At Robinson's father's request, the family friend met with Robinson
and his parents and convinced Robinson to turn himself in.

(03:56:05):
The family friend spoke to police a reported telling Robinson
that it would be best if he bought all evidence
with him to the sheriff's office to avoid police having
to search his parents' home. The family friend also asked
Robinson if he had any clothes that were related to
what he did. Robinson replied that he disposed of the
clothes in different areas. So again, this is the thing, right,
he wasn't maga, He wasn't a groper, or he probably

(03:56:27):
wasn't a groper, but he wasn't a leftist. He certainly
wasn't a radical trans person. He was part of a network.
His boyfriend may not be trans, may not have even
been considering trans. It's certainly not anything to do with
a wider group. If anything, he might be what's called
a log cabin Republican.

Speaker 2 (03:56:49):
Okay, So after he comes home and he talks to
his mum and his dad and they all decide that
he's going to turn himself in. They they all also decided, right,
the best thing is for our neighbor, the deputy, to
take you in.

Speaker 3 (03:57:09):
Right.

Speaker 2 (03:57:10):
So at that point is when he must have then
jumped on discord to tell the story that.

Speaker 3 (03:57:19):
Yeah, possibly possibly, that's not that's not entirely before. Oh yeah, yeah,
because he said he was going to turn himself in
on the discord. Yeah, good spot. Yeah, absolutely, yes, yes, because,
as as they've pointed out, he was thinking of actually
committee suicide, wasn't he So, yes, he must have gone
on discord after he told his parents, but before he

(03:57:40):
went to the family friend who's the deputy. Yes, that
makes sense. Yeah, Now there was one more sort of
shock because basically like fire saying that they're investigating the
network on his discord. But then out of nowhere, somebody
on the discord leaked the messages to journalist Ken Clippenstein,

(03:58:02):
and this is taken from Kenklippenstein's substack. Yesterday, FBI director
Cash Rettel said in an interview that Robinson subscribed to
a left wing ideology, citing his family's remarks to investigators.
But those close to Robinson said there was a lot
his family didn't know about him. Their ideas are based
on someone they didn't fully understand. The childhood friend told me,

(03:58:25):
though the family was generally supportive of Robinson, a claim
collaborated by his mother's Facebook account bringing with praise for Tyler,
they didn't seem to know about his relationship with a
person named Lance, the friend said. When I asked if
his family would have been accepting, the friend replied, I
don't think even Tyler knew the answer to that question,
which is why he kept it so low key between themselves.

(03:58:47):
Tyler's bisexuality, the friend said, was coupled with openness on
LGBT issues, But his wasn't some cookie cutter lefty position
on every or even most issues, his friends said. The
friends described Robinson as a fairly typical of a young
man his age from Utah, someone who loved the outdoors,
was a gamer and was into guns. To all of us,

(03:59:10):
he just seemed like a simple guy who liked playing
games like Sea of Thieves, Deep Rock Galactic, and Hell
Divers too. He loved to fish, and he loved to camp.
It really did seem that that was what all. It
really did seem like that's all he was about. Private
discord messages shared with me by a friend of Robinson
confirmed that Robinson wasn't some political martyr. A search for

(03:59:34):
posts of Robinson's containing words like Biden and Trump turned
up just one hit each. The Trump post was a
passing reference to the twenty nineteen impeachment inquiry. The Biden
one came on the day of the twenty twenty election,
where he provided an update to another friend asking about
the status of vot count. Even the goodby message he

(03:59:55):
sent to us on one of our servers where the
discord chats are hosted, so hard to believe. We all
just thought, what a weird joke to make, and then
the news came out and we're all calling each other
saying check the news. He said, yeah. I don't know
what makes a person like him decide that he's going
to drive two hundred and sixty miles upstate to shoot

(04:00:16):
someone like Charlie Kirk then come back like nothing happened.
It leaves a lot of room for speculation and theories,
which is why I think they're so rampant. Part of
the confusion he attributes to Tyler's quiet nature. He was
a really smart guy, but super hard to read, stone
cold poker face, and he could always never be confident

(04:00:38):
assuming anything. When I asked if he opened up to anyone,
a friend replied, as far as we knew, he was
opened up. Despite his verbal reticence, Robinson was not a loner,
according to his friends, Unlike the stereotypical outcast shooter driven
to violence by social rejection, he was apparently amiable and

(04:00:58):
well liked. Everyone who knew him liked him, and he
was always nice, a little quiet, and kept himself mostly
but he wasn't a recluse, the childhood friend said. The
federal government, the Washington crowd, and the corporate media based
in Washington and New York see the country in holy
partisan terms, Republican versus Democrat, read versus blue, old media

(04:01:19):
versus social media, liberal versus conservative, right versus left, straight
versus gay, and on and on. Charlie Kirk's assassination in
Utah should remind us of the actual diversity of the
nation and the cost of polarization that demonizes the other side.
No one in Robinson's group is cheering or justifying the

(04:01:40):
murder in any of the messages I reviewed. They are
just struggling to understand what their friend did. But Washington
has become obsessed with the discord Chap convinced that it's
some kind of headquarters for the murder and cauldron of
radicalization and conspiracy. Today, FBI Director Patel vowed to investigate

(04:02:01):
anyone and everyone in that discord chat. So you know
who got it spot on right from the beginning, Mike Rosschard,
Mike Rothschild absolutely allowed it right from the start, he said,
don't be surprised if the political views aren't clear, or

(04:02:22):
if This is messy, and this is absolutely right. And
the thing to take about this is how people have
reacted to it. How people wanted it to be part
of their fantasy, wanted it to be part of their
professional shooters, Israel being the arbiter of everything on the planet,
the Jewish New World Order or something like that. People

(04:02:44):
supposedly closed to Charlie Kirk decided to turn this into
something that they could monetize and something that they gripped
off of. People used it to politicize and to attack
their enemies, the FBI and the government of America. According
to the evidence that we have thus far, appear to
have manufactured a narrative that this is somehow connected to

(04:03:06):
leftist trans ideology in order to demonize trans people, trying
to make this a federal case and to presumably gain
support for this idea of tiv E trans ideology, identified
violence and extremism, straight inspired violence and extremism. And it's

(04:03:29):
just that is the main takeaway that we should take
from this. I know that we're not conspiracy people anymore.
I know that we aren't, but look at this. This
certainly looks like the FBI were lying to people in
order to promote a narrative that didn't exist and that
they knew was unsubstantiated.

Speaker 2 (04:03:52):
They definitely seem to have lied in the press releases,
but when it comes to the actual court documents and
the police report, those lies aren't in there. And that's
how we've caught that's lying.

Speaker 3 (04:04:05):
Yeah, because the evidence that they've presented as evidence, that
as the only thing that they can show to be
definitely real, contradicts what they were saying.

Speaker 2 (04:04:14):
I got another question for you, though, all right, yea,
let's step let's step back for a minute, because like
all of these people are characters, and I think the
thing about Charlie Kirk's assassination we should all remember is
that we all are human, right, Yes, And I do
wonder how much of people's exhibition of extremist views that

(04:04:39):
came out over the week, how much of that is
actually due to their peer and friend being murdered for
the same ideas that they have, you know, and how
much of that comes from their actual fear, their actual
trauma that they've actually gone through in this way. And

(04:05:00):
it's just interesting that they I guess that.

Speaker 14 (04:05:04):
They're they're their character or their caricature of themselves.

Speaker 2 (04:05:12):
Became so intense.

Speaker 3 (04:05:15):
Yes, yeah, that yeah, I think that's and also you know,
they're dealing with the trauma and grief and such like that.
So to oversimplify things and go, this has happened because
we're righteous and the only only thing could be that
someone not righteous has done this to us, and the
need to sort of simplify and demonize it. Yeah, And

(04:05:35):
I'm not saying that we've got all the answers either.
Like what we've done is we've examined what's out there
in the public eye on this particular date. But certainly
the explanation that he acted alone, was a sort of
moderate right winger and certainly wasn't connected to any left
wing trans terrorist organizations seems to be the most likely.

(04:05:57):
The fact what has happened since then is that the
fbis come out and say that they're struggling. They're struggling
to connect him to any leftist organizations, And there could
be a very good reason for that, because he's not
connected to any leftist organizations. It's just sad, isn't it.
And it's just interesting to see how people react to
such a tragic and traumatic event.

Speaker 2 (04:06:21):
I was paying attention to, like a lot of what
was going on that week, Like uncharacteristically of myself, I
was actually online a lot that week because I was
very interested in the story and I was interested in
seeing how these humans were like responding to this, and
what did we do. We decided to keep the fucking

(04:06:45):
keep it shut, don't see anything, just like a big
statement saying, yeah, we don't we don't support this. You know,
we didn't like him, we didn't support the assassination. We
we don't think violence is the answer. And we decided
not to speak to anyone else about that.

Speaker 3 (04:07:04):
Like, Yeah, because.

Speaker 14 (04:07:09):
These people like constantly are chasing clout, they constantly are
trying to promote their brand, they couldn't step away from it, No,
they had to double down.

Speaker 2 (04:07:22):
I just find all of that very interesting in.

Speaker 3 (04:07:25):
The way everybody's tried to take take an event and
could stuck the narrative in a way that it most
benefits themselves. Like and that's that's that could be true
on all sides of the political thing, from the people
that are going a good right to the people who
are going, oh now we need this is the start

(04:07:45):
of the civil war. This is this is just an
interesting example of how people reacted to, as we say,
a traumatic and horrible event, and how some people sought
to tie that into the narrative of the way they
see the world. Mm hmm

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