September 26, 2024 • 44 mins
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In 2012, a man had a chance encounter with Israel Keyes weeks before his arrest. Years later this reticent tipster shared their story, not knowing it might help unlock the secrets that could lead to a family getting resolution.In this episode we give you a behind-the-scenes look at how two shows came together to bring the FBI their first good lead on a cache since Israel's death, 12 years ago. While also Revealing one major clue that made this tip stand out. And SA Halla provides us with new evidence that will forever change the direction of the investigation.
With Special Guests:
SA Ted Halla, Steven Bernd, and Amy Alexander
Josh Hallmark of True Crime Bullsh**
and introducing a new member of the team Drew Rubin
Researched, Written, Recorded, Edited, and Produced by Somewhere in the Pines
All audio containing Special Agent Ted Halla belong to Somewhere in the Pines and may not be used without written consent.
a special thank you to our Patreon Producers:
Heather Horton Whedon
Nicole Guzman
Colleen Sullivan
Lynnlie Tuschoff
Attar Mann
Katelyn James
and Stephanie Maksimow
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Resources:
Researcher Kim K. and Josh Hallmark
FBI Case File
Special Forces Caching Techniques Manual
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Music:
"part 2" by Dirt Jake Replicas
"Mend" by Dirt Jake Replicas
Backing Tracks: GarageBand Loops
In 2012, a man had a chance encounter with Israel Keyes weeks before his arrest. Years later this reticent tipster shared their story, not knowing it might help unlock the secrets that could lead to a family getting resolution.In this episode we give you a behind-the-scenes look at how two shows came together to bring the FBI their first good lead on a cache since Israel's death, 12 years ago. While also Revealing one major clue that made this tip stand out. And SA Halla provides us with new evidence that will forever change the direction of the investigation.
With Special Guests:
SA Ted Halla, Steven Bernd, and Amy Alexander
Josh Hallmark of True Crime Bullsh**
and introducing a new member of the team Drew Rubin
Researched, Written, Recorded, Edited, and Produced by Somewhere in the Pines
All audio containing Special Agent Ted Halla belong to Somewhere in the Pines and may not be used without written consent.
a special thank you to our Patreon Producers:
Heather Horton Whedon
Nicole Guzman
Colleen Sullivan
Lynnlie Tuschoff
Attar Mann
Katelyn James
and Stephanie Maksimow
This is a Studio BOTH/AND collaboration: www.somewhereinthepines.com / bothand.fyi For an ad-free experience: www.patreon.com/studiobothand For early episodes and more: www.Patreon.com/somewhereinthepines
Resources:
Researcher Kim K. and Josh Hallmark
FBI Case File
Special Forces Caching Techniques Manual
Montage - CBSN LiveCBS NEWSNBC5 - WPTZKPTV
Music:
"part 2" by Dirt Jake Replicas
"Mend" by Dirt Jake Replicas
Backing Tracks: GarageBand Loops
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Speaker 1 (00:09):
This is a studio both and collaboration.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Somewhere in the Pines is a serial podcast containing adult content,
including descriptions of violence, sexual assault, and suicide. Listener discretion
is strongly advised.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We interrupt the previously scheduled Olympic Hotspring search to bring
you new evidence in the case of Israel Keys.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
This is part of a four episode collaboration, beginning with
a conversation on episode seven eighty eight and seven eighty
nine of the podcast True Crime Garage, continuing with a
joint episode between True Crime Bullshit and Somewhere in the Pines.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
The True Crime Bullshit episode is episode eleven of Sason six.
For the full experience, we encourage you to enjoy all
four episodes now on with the show.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
H Here's FBI special agent Ted Halla during an interview
(01:49):
conducted in Seattle, Washington.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Well, I guess we've.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Talked about this little bit earlier, but to CLO, wasn't there,
Uh so, just can you describe the status of the
case and the interesting case right now?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yes, So, it's, uh, it's an ongoing case. Obviously after
Keys killed himself, that kind of changed everything for us.
There's no longer a defendant there's no longer crimes per
se to investigate like we would in a traditional case,
but we have unsolved homicides that we're trying to solve.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
So it's remained open.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Recognizing that he took so many secrets with him when
he died, we've really reached out to the public and
various projects and news media type things, trying to get
tips people that might remember seeing him or things like that.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
The cases.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We've usually talked about the cases and most of these
media things because we do think that they potentially hold
clues to some of his past victims. So that's an
ongoing type strategy of ours, is to hopefully make people
aware that these cases are out there and to you know,
if they come across something they think might be one
of his cases, contact law enforcement immediately, don't touch it,
(02:52):
don't contaminate the DNA that might be in there that
might be helpful to us.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And so, like I said, outside of the Plake Falls cash,
the Eagle River disposal cash, and the Luski River search,
what has been done to locating other cashes.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
So we haven't set out that I'm aware of any
like specific searches on for like, hey, we think there's
a cash here, and sent out a team or anything
like that. So it's been more like just hopefully getting
the message out to the public that there's cashes out
there and what to do if they find them there.
It's really you guys that brought up the cash out
(03:29):
of Louisiana.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
That's really interesting to us.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
So when you mentioned when I saw those questions ahead
of time about Louisiana, that really sparked.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
An interest in mine.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
So with his receipts, we know that he was in
February third, twenty twelve.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
We know he was at this walmart here in Louisiana.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
The spillway you're talking about is right here.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
This is a map we got off this computer, and
there's your spillway again.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Josh Yeah, okay, perfect, Sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Thanks for agreeing to do this with me and Dakota.
It's great to meet you on I guess on Zoom.
Speaker 9 (04:27):
Yeah man, you too, Thanks for talking with us.
Speaker 10 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So I assume Joshua has filled you in on our
kind of ongoing and uh sporadic conversation.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, I know, he's keeping it kept me up
to date on what's going on and stuff, and I
definitely want to give both you guys credit or you know,
navigating a sensitive situation and you know, making great progress
on it.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
So I, you know, kudos to both of you guys.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Yeah, thanks and s.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, I came off as a dick just like
super protective and have had some very weird encounters with people,
so I just I'm a little anxious about strangers.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
Yeah, we I mean, we definitely understand that the amount
of work that goes into something like this, obviously you
want to protect that and you know we feel the
exact same way about it.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So yeah, well thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So you know, I wanted to talk to you because
a few stuff has come up regarding cases and I
think in the spirit of collaboration, I wanted to share
it with you guys.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Good cool.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'll start with the first, which is Colchester, Vermont.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is Josh Hallmark, creator of the podcast True Crime Bullshit.
For the last eleven years, he and his team have
been researching the potential victims of Israel Keys. This is
our first official phone call.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. Next up, I have Louisiana and this is another one,
and like it's hard to say because it's kind of
too perfect. I think three years ago, and he said,
Israel keys hit a keel kit here in New Orleans,
(06:15):
actually not really New Orleans, in Laplace, Louisiana, just thirty
minutes outside the city. If you google Bonnet Car spillway,
that's where we were in the spillway riding dirt bikes.
One day, the guy shows up and pulled up in
a Chrysler Town and Country and said that he and
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his family were there on vacation from Alaska, but he
wasn't with his family, he was by himself. He asked
him questions about the spillway, what it was, how often
it was used, and then they never really saw him
again until about a month later when he was on
the news because he was arrested in Alaska for murder.
(07:00):
Once they found out about kill kits, they went back
and found a five or a home depot five gallon
bucket with a lid on it. They opened it found
three knives, a knife, sharpener, rope, duct tape, six feet
of chain with a lock, a small bottle of whiskey,
two bottles of water, a cigar and lighter, and a
pack of razor blades. They reported it to the police.
(07:20):
The police took photos and inventoried the bucket. They scavenged
the area and found a dead rabbit and said that
that was likely.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oh yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
They said that they smelled death, and the police attributed
it to the rabbit. When the guys called back to
mention Keys, they were told that the New Orleans PD
was too busy and short handed to chase ghosts.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, it's disappoined.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Over the next two years more information. So first, as
he said, it was partially buried, about three to four
inches were sticking up above ground, but those had been
covered with a trashed deep freezer and then some other
trash and garbage. And then she asked them to pinpoint
(08:13):
the date, and they said it would have been late
February or early March of twenty twelve. The guy said
that he usually goes there for his birthday to do
dirt biking, and his birthday is March ninth, and he
swears that when he saw them on the news for
(08:35):
the arrest, it was the same month or within thirty
days of his encounter with Keys. So again it's like perfect.
And he started posting this only three years ago, so
could be bullshit. But also if he was trying to
bullshit people and one it was fifteen minutes, why bury it.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
So if he said, as you know, there's a you know,
interaction with with law enforcement, there would be a way
to you know, validate his claim exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And so right now, Kim, I think, is going to
reach out to him or maybe already has from my team,
and then we're gonna have Jordan Foya New Orleans PD
to see if there's any record of this report or
this encounter.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Okay, So I have a really strong opinion on this
one right away, and I would say this part would
just be off the record and we can we can
talk through it on how you would want to, how
we could release this I guess if you want to,
of course.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
So we have a firm.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Belief that he did have markers for his cashes and
that the marker would be trash. You know, there are
a few few instances throughout the interviews and throughout the
case file where he talks about using trash, you know,
like nobody likes to pick up trash whatever. But there's
one quote that he says when he talks about going back,
(10:11):
he says he never goes back to look at his cases,
and then instantly he says, well, he does, but it's
only just to see if they're still there. So there
has to be some sort of marker. It can't just
be buried in the ground in the middle of nowhere
where if you went back ten years later, there has
to be something of substantial you know, size, or something
that like a rock or something like that. And then
if you look at like the Eagle River Road, the
(10:33):
cash there, his plan for that victim was to bury
them in the ditch and then cover them with the
dirt and then put a big piece of sheet metal
over top of them, so same thing prevent them from
being dug up. And something that you know, all these
spots along the road, like every place that we go
to along the road is just filled with trash. You know,
(10:55):
it's even even out here in the Pacific Northwest, it's
still you know, there's trash everywhere. So if he if
I heard you right, and he's saying it was buried
in a bunch of trash, then yeah, that that definitely
stands out. And it makes sense too because this is
this the same time period that he'd be coming back
from the cruise.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, it's either the cruise or his second trip.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Second trip.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
This is true, Like, I just don't think the second
trip there's enough time. But for sure the cruise.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Trip, well that's yeah, that's what I was thinking. It
might be during the cruise time because then he wouldn't
have any guns with him at that point, right, Yeah,
so he could be just getting a bucket prepped and
putting what items he does have in there and coming
back and having planning to bring guns back later because
the other trip he was out trying to bury guns,
(11:46):
right the second the second trip.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, that's the first trip too. So there's the like
pre cruise portion, which is where it's just him and
his kid for I think three days. Then they meet
in New Orleans, take the cruise, he comes back, they
part ways, and then he drops his kid off with
his mom for four days and disappears again. And that's
when he does the robbery in the fire.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, that sounds super interesting. I hope that you guys
can make contact with him and actually get a police
report because that would be that would be massive.
Speaker 12 (12:19):
Yeah, just being able to confirm that, for one, the
a bucket was found and that this guy's claim of
the contents of the bucket is accurate.
Speaker 13 (12:31):
I mean that would speak volumes. I feel like Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
In twenty twelve, a man had a chance encounter with
Israel Keys weeks before his arrest. Years later, this reticent
tipster shared their story, not knowing it might help unlock
the secrets that could lead to a family getting resolution.
In this episode, we give you a behind the scenes
look at how two shows came together to bring the
FBI their first good lead on a cash since Israel's
(13:03):
death twelve years ago, while also revealing one major clue
that made this tip stand out, and Special Agent Halla
provides us with new evidence that will forever change the
direction of the investigation. I'm Dakota and I'm Joshua.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Welcome to Somewhere in the Pines, Episode six, Laplace, Louisiana. Shout.
(13:45):
You're just excited to hear Drew's podcast. That's Drew if
(14:15):
he was asked himself, what the fuck is he doing
this morning?
Speaker 14 (14:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Did you?
Speaker 12 (14:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
No, that's not very commid.
Speaker 15 (14:24):
No, No, I think it's so funny. Anybody who's like,
what are you doing up there? I'm like, I'm I'm
kind of helping with a podcast, but I don't know anything,
Like I was, like, I haven't done anything thus far.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
I'm just tagging along and talking again.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
This is our friend Drew.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
We are on our way to the Olympic Peninsula, where
we will conduct searches in three locations in the next
two days that make our way to the FBI offices
in Seattle for our first in person interview, especially in
tat Halla. Drew will be helping out over the next
few trips with recording and searching. He knows nothing about keys,
and we get that way a fresh perspective by the well,
(15:05):
that just depends on how good you do. Yeah, exactly.
It's no fucking free out of boys out here.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
I mean that's the bar I'm setting for myself.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's good. I'm glad to hear it. Pressure is on, Yeah,
I think the first trip up the first two hours,
Dakote just stay. It's like, what the fuck are we doing?
Am I doing this?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Laplace, Louisiana, or more specifically, the Bonnie Carry Spillway, located
twelve miles west of New Orleans. The spillway was designed
to redistribute floodwaters from the Mississippi River to the Gulf
of Mexico to protect the surrounding urban areas. The flood
control project is operated by the Mississippi River Commission and
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the US Army Corps of Engineers, State and federally controlled.
Built in nineteen twenty seven and home to not one,
but two pemitaries, the spillway sits between the city limits
of Laplace and Norcoe, Louisiana, a no man's land between
two city borders. Over the years, the spillway has developed
into an extensive outdoor recreation and natural area. When not
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in use diverting floodwater, the area is used for mountain biking, camping, fishing,
bird watching, and more. The nearby towns surrounding the spillway
have waxed and waned over the years. Some of the
urban settlements have become literal ghost towns containing unoccupied in
derelict buildings. Another thing of note is that the spillway
is within a parish, Saint Charles Parish, and the spillway
(16:37):
is the northernmost boundary. In fact, if you want a
camp in the Bonnie Carry Spillway, you make your reservation
through the parish. The FBI timeline shows keys in or
around New Orleans in February of two thousand and eight,
and more recently in February of twenty twelve. During his
twenty twelve visit. We know from FBI interviews and Israel's
own words that he was moving guns to the area
(16:59):
from Alaska.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
So actually, let me text Josh right now. Yeah, so,
I said.
Speaker 14 (17:06):
Up email last night by the way, we did okay, Yeah, yeah,
So I replied to Steve last night saying that we
tried to get either a link or a screenshot by
the end of the day today.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Cool, just give us more time, yep, so Drew. Yeah,
we sent the FBI roughly like forty questions. Maybe it's
a little pack up, like a list of all the
questions that we're thinking about asking, just so that we
he can get prepped up because and maybe just find
(17:38):
out some information that might be a little bit more discreet,
hid a scene stuff whatever. But one of the tips
was something that Josh Hollmerk gave us from True Crime
bullshit and about a cash in Louisiana. And they replied
last night saying that they want to know more about
(17:58):
the cash and they have never seen the tip.
Speaker 10 (18:01):
What year is this?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Twenty eleven?
Speaker 10 (18:04):
Eleven. Yeah, oh shit, I didn't realize that was for
some reason. I thought he like when you kill.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Himself twenty twelve in December. Oh okay, So I just
got a text back from Josh and he says that yes,
so forwarded shortly and they're at the vet right now. Yeah.
So that sucks, dude, he says, if you don't hear
from me in two hours, ping me, but it's probably
(18:35):
not great news. Unfortunately, it sucks to his cat. It
just they found out that it has cancer. What would
(18:56):
trigger an atual search by the FBI? Is it with
something like Louis in a cash for that f be
something that.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
We need some fairly just because of manpower issues and
stuff like this and this, you know, a case where
we've got to defend it it's already deceased. Yeah, it'd
be a resource issue. But again, we can definitely coordinate
with search and rescue teams, like coordinate training and have
them help us with an area.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
There's way we could do it to get around some
of the man power issues if we felt strong enough
that it's worth putting the time and resources in it.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Taking a look and got our number.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yes, how would you go out searching, if you if
you could tell us that, or if you were in
the FBI.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I mean, without some sort of significant clue, I don't
know how you start.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
I think.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
The hope is that maybe one's been found, and we
can find rec of something being shared with law enforcement,
kind of like what we're looking at for Louisiana. Now,
Like that's kind of a hope because it's just so hard.
So I was the case agent on the Robinette case,
and he was a bank robber that did tons of
(20:16):
casing huge caches. Cash is large enough that you could
live in. And it was absolutely amazing how well hidden
these were in very populated areas and people had no
clue they were there, Like it was crazy. So for
keys to hide a simple little bucket, and we couldn't
find some of the Robinette caches, even you know, with
(20:38):
fairly good information, Like it's hard.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
It's hard.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Although I am surprised with keys that you know, the
cashes that have been recovered, like they weren't completely buried,
like they were all like kind of in some ways obvious.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Markers objects used to indicate a position, place or route.
Israel had them, and we may have just uncovered one
of them. Israel spoke of burying items all the time.
The traditional definition for bury to put or hide underground
doesn't necessarily apply. Instead, we believe he meant something closer
(21:27):
to the other definition to completely cover, cause, or disappear,
or become inconspicuous. It has been our suspicion for a
long time that he camouflage caches instead of digging deep
holes and covering them with dirt. The simple step of
hiding in plain sight, just as Israel mass his true
identity for fourteen years, could save him time while going
(21:47):
to recover his caches, allowing him more time with potential
victims instead of measuring from different reference points and then
having to dig. There is one more comment that stands
out from all others. Likes to pick up trash. This
has always stood out to us as a defining point
of his and if you listen to how he describes
hiding victims and potential victims, you can see a common thread.
(22:11):
He places both William and Lorraine Currier and garbage bags
and then claims to have covered them with scrap wood
and shelving in the basement where he left them so
someone would not only have to uncover them, but then
go through the extra step of cutting open the bags
to see what's inside. Listen to him describe the Eagle River,
Alaska disposal cash that he placed in preparation for disposing
(22:31):
of a potential victim.
Speaker 16 (22:37):
I just remembered I had a stash of that I had.
This is kind of unrelated, but made me think of it.
There's a shovel on some two gallons of draining on
up on the road in Eagle River. That's the place
I had staked out before I went back east.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Does this place some familiar?
Speaker 16 (23:02):
Yeah, the stuff was still there.
Speaker 17 (23:07):
There's more kicks are down there if you want.
Speaker 16 (23:20):
Yeah, I'm sure you saw that big ditch right next
to there.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Did you dig that ditch or was that bear?
Speaker 12 (23:25):
No?
Speaker 18 (23:25):
That was a burn that and that was my plan
was to use that cause it was already dug, so
I was gonna just have to fill it in right.
There was a there was a big metal plate down
the road that I was gonna use to cover it
once I buried it, keep it from.
Speaker 14 (23:40):
Me like a sheet metal.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (23:43):
There was down by that other guy's driveway there was
a big pile of trash in the wood and there
was a piece of metal that I was gonna use
to throw over it and bury it.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
I tried to move that thing that would the Oh yeah,
well I was thin piece of metal, but there was
lots of was buried and yeah yeah, sh at that
like some.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Countertops and stuff in there.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
He had the trash pile picked out. He made sure
that he didn't have to bury the victim deep underground,
while still making the odds of them being discovered even
less likely because scavengers wouldn't have access to the body.
It would be blocked by the sheet metal. Even the
disposal cash would look just like another piece of garbage,
a black trash bag in the woodline, left with only
more garbage bags and jugs of draino stuffed inside, with
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a shovel tossed aside on the ground, exposed to the elements.
No one is stopping to look in that bag. It
was only feet from the road and it was never
discovered in nearly a year. And then listen to these
next few clips. Think about how he hid the Blake
Falls cash simply yards from the parking lot, placed on
the rocks most likely gathered from the stream slash culvert
that he pointed out while leading investigator to the location
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in Parishville, New York, and the cashing manual states a
cash must be hidden under an object that will remain
fixed as long as the cash may be in use.
Rocks and trash fit that criteria.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Are you.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Listen closely? Is Israel talks about placing the money cash
close to the Houston Airport.
Speaker 16 (25:06):
They were just they were just wrapped up in a bag.
Speaker 17 (25:08):
And I didn't even really dig a hole, just stopped
the rest stop, went behind a tree, kicked some dirt
out of the way, drop the bag in it, kick
some dirt over it, then left.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Yeah it was still there.
Speaker 17 (25:21):
Yeah, nobody wants to pick up trash.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
And In this clip from October thirtieth, twenty twelve, when
especially agent Ted Halla was interviewing his reel keys, he
asked Israel about his cash is being discovered.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Did any of your cashes anywhere ever get discovered that
you know if I seriously doubt it?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Okay? Serious, you don't think they happened upon in one
of yours?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Ben here, that's serious?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Could someone identify your cashes from I mean this guy
Robinetz cashes, I mean he had his you know, fake
driver's license and stuff, but with his real name and
stuff in there, so it was kind of easy to
attribute some of.
Speaker 18 (26:02):
Them to him at least, But I any of mine,
I don't even I was usually I mean, I didn't
even need fingerpants.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Okay, So because I was aware.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Of that, it's a slim possibility, but you know, it's
still happened.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, this guy had a lot of cases, and you know,
we found two, which means there's probably eighteen others out there.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
He was prolific in cashes.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
But I just wondered if you ever had anything he
discovered later were gone? No, most of them are never
never go back to. Well, I want a state it's
still there.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But how would he do that? How would you know
that the cash was still in its hiding place without
having some sort of marker to walk past and see
it has remained untouched, on discovered, and still in his possession.
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Dakota and I have spent a lot of time looking
under coolers, toilets, bags, car hoods, refrigerators, all in search
of one item that may conceal evidence. Hearing that this
Louisiana cash was placed under a deep freezer in the
middle of a spillway stood out because, as far as
we know, no one else has ever made this connection,
so for someone to make it up three years ago
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just felt like there is maybe more to it. The
contents of the bucket have some great connections as well,
but we get a lot of tips like that. This
one stands out because of how it was camouflaged. Now
that we have been able to help the FBI make
a connection to the first potential cash that could still
garner our evidence since Israel's demise in twenty twelve, we
want to thank Josh Hallmark, Kim Kay and the rest
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of the True Crime Bullshit team for entrusting us with
this information, and we thanked the tipster not only for
the detailed account, but also for doing the right thing
by reporting to local authorities. We'd also like to thank
Special Agiahala, Steve Byrne, and Emai Alexander for being I'm
willing to share this new evidence with us, but there's more.
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Here's Special Agent Ted Halla giving us the full details
of the Louisiana cash and why they found it interesting. So,
like I said, outside of the Blake Falls cash, the
Eagle River Disposal cash, and the Luski River search, what
has been done locating other cashes.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So we haven't set out that I'm aware of any
like specific searches on for like, hey, we think there's
a cash here and sent out a team or anything
like that.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
So it's been.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
More like just hopefully getting the message out to the
public that there's cashes out there and what to do
if they find them.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
There.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
It's really you guys that brought up the cash out
of Louisiana that's really interesting to us. So when you
mentioned when I saw those questions ahead of time about Louisiana,
that really sparked an interest in I. So we are
working with a cold case team out in the Peninsula
and they're doing a deep dive into.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
His home computer.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
So when we first looked at home computers back in
twenty twelve, the forensic software available now to investigators is
so much better than what it was back in twenty twelve.
So they've done a deep dive into his computer. He
had lots of topographical maps that he downloaded onto that
computer and it was bought seventy five of them. One
of the topographical maps, it looks like he kind of
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laid out a grid search on it. It's in Louisiana,
and I'll show you, guys. So with his receipts, we
know that he was in February third, twenty twelve.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
We know he was at this walmart here in Louisiana.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
The spillway you're talking about is right here. This is
a map we got off his computer and he's the
one who put these grids.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
On here, and there's your spillway.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I guess it looks like they're numbered.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, we don't know what the numbering means.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
And I still need to get with the computer, you guys,
because I might understand is as they click on there,
you get more detailed maps of the area.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
But when you guys brought that up, I was like, okay, that.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
We've talked about, Like, this is the only map he's
done these type of grid patterns on that we found
so far. The other ones are just fairly closed in
topographical maps. They don't say the state on them.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
You got to do the lot land to figure out
where they are.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
And that's one of the projects they're working on, is
they're going to plot these all over the you know,
like a googleer type thing, and we'll be able to
look and see where all these tople maps are that
he downloaded. We're also aware that he hooked up numerous
portable hard drives to this computer, and so we do
have some portable hard drives that we drive during searches,
and we're going to go through those and see what's
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on those. Some feel like there's probably better stuff that
might be on some of those portable hard drives. But
when I saw this, saw him being at the Walmart there,
I think that's very credible. So now what we need
to do is find out if this stuff has really
turned over the police department. Do they have records, they
have photos? Do this person that found this have photos?
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So that's all stuff we're going to be working on.
Speaker 19 (31:07):
But yeah, I noticed that they're not numbered squentially.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Yeah there's two. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Yeah, And I have a chance to talk to the
forensic guys that are going through this if they know
what that means.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
So something I need to follow up with on them.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
But well, is it possible to take a photo of
this with the camera?
Speaker 20 (31:29):
This one here is fine because that's just public yepp,
we have we have you guys, Okay, Yeah, So our
plan will be eventually we will incorporate all these topographical
maps into some sort of report that will go into
the case file and then obviously that'll be available through
boy requests. But we're still working through organizing it and
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making it useful and helpful to investigator.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Have their hard drives been looked at it all up
until now?
Speaker 6 (31:57):
So, yes, it was originally looked at in twenty twelve.
That's where they found the Doubla Feldman name, which is
what it was. Yeah, it was on his home computer.
That one's gone through and I remember when I was
up there in October twenty twelve. I spent afternoon going
through it and again all these topographical maps, but when
you look at them, you couldn't even like figure out
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what state they were until you started researching what the
lot land were for them.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
So that's something that this cold case team is working
on to make.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
It easier for US investigators to say, Okay, there's these
you know, top those maps in Washington State that he
downloaded there, here's the ones in Texas or.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Wherever they might be.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
And then you know, one thought is to potentially shoot
those out to the jurisdictions that have those areas and
then ask them do you have missing persons?
Speaker 7 (32:44):
From this area.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Do you have you know, bodies that have been recovered
from this area? Cash is anything like that, And then
maybe we'll get something, some useful feedback. So yeah, it's promising.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Great if we were able to, if we reach out and.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
If you ye ye, call back in a week and
I may have more information. So yeah, don't reach out to.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Steep seventy plus maps that could not only help us
understand Israel's methods, but they could lead to discovering more
of his crimes burglaries, arsons, bank robberies, cash locations, and
most importantly, victims. Places he planned to do things, places
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he did do things. Who knows, But this investigation just
got blown wide open, and with more information comes more questions.
The guns, where are the guns? If not in this cash,
does that mean there's another cash in the area? The
boundary lines? Will we find another example of Israel's use
of boundary line signage or other easily identifiable markers on
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the approach to the cash site?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
The map?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
What are the numbers on the map represent? Where else
will those maps lead us? And lastly, computers, what else
is on those hard drives? How many different ways did
Israel use his personal computers to plan crimes. With new
technology being used to search Israel's hard drives, will more
victims be discovered. These maps will soon be available through
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FOYA and we may be able to get our hands
on them with more information to come. We know, we're
just scratching the surface.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Recording in progress. All right, Hello, hellope, Hey, sorry I
wrote that. No worse. How's it going?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
How are you guys doing? All right?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Good? Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
We did it.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Six months of working together and we found a cash
what with with your help?
Speaker 12 (34:59):
What so?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Man, it was absolutely insane, the Louisiana cash. Yeah, is
a real cash. Yeah yeah, dude. We can give you
some details on that right now to kind of explain
all of that, but there's also more stuff we definitely
want to tell you about, just to give you an
overview what we talked about with the FBI. Yeah, that cash,
(35:23):
that was the one that you told us about that
was covered in trash, and that was like really stood
out to us because that's something that we think is
like really important.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
That's one of his markers.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
We just we just submitted a bunch of questions on
all of the different caches that we thought could be
a possibility, and that was one of them.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
And that's he.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Asked right away if we can send more information about that,
and that's why, you know, we asked you to send
us the link and everything. And when we got there,
about halfway through the conversation, he basically broke out this
map and it's a map that they pulled from Israel's computer.
It's a map of Louisiana, a map of like New
(35:58):
Orleans and the place, and it has a grid that
he Israel had drawn out on the actual map and
there's a cash sorry, there's a pinpoint rate in the
spot where the this person described. Wow, and he didn't
have enough time to contact law enforcement in Louisiana. He's
(36:20):
going to contact law enforcement and see if they still
have it, see if they have photos of it, and
try to find the exact location. He's going to contact
the person that submitted the tip same thing, see if
they have photos of it, if they.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Can give a better.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Description of the contents. What was really crazy about this
map with the grids on it is it actually had
what thirty to forty pinpoints on it.
Speaker 19 (36:43):
I think it had probably about between fifteen and twenty
markers on the grid, and there are little circles with
numbers inside, and the numbers weren't sequential, so it was
just it was like right on the cash location there
was a two, and then there was a two across
the river like just above it or just below it,
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and then there was like other numbers like thirty two,
forty five, like random numbers. But I remember right on
the cash location on the grid was the number two,
and that's that's the map that they pulled off of
Keys's computer. So it's it was immediately I think that
special Agent Halla, as soon as he heard about that,
(37:25):
we actually sent him like a mapped out picture of
where we thought it was. And the map that he
took out from Keys' computer was like identical to the
map that we sent him almost it was like the
exact area, you know, that we sent and so the
maps were almost identical.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Nice fucking wild Yeah, dude, nice fucking work though. Nice
nice work man.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well you too.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
You know, we think there's a possibility to get a
few more connected as well, So just take a little communication,
i think between your team and our team to kind
of narrow down a few things.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
And yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Definitely seems like there are possibilities. And the one thing
they coude was just talking about the pinpoints that were
all over the map. Each one of those markers, they said,
if you click on it, it actually shows an expanded view,
like a close in view of the topic graphical map
of that area. So they have. And so of the
fifteen to thirty markers that were on there, the majority
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of them were labeled number two, but there were several,
probably less than four or five, that were labeled like
thirty five, forty two and forty five or so, so
different higher numbers, different from all the rest of them.
So they could that could have been a potential abduction spot,
burial spot, you know, more, or spot that he has
more importance to him for some reason. It was actually
(38:46):
all the way around this huge area around New Orleans
and the place. So there's a lot of information that
we can definitely share with you and show you photos
of what. He was not willing to give us the photo.
He just let us look at it for a few
that's so I did like a little mock up of
what it sort of looked like, and you know, we
can talk about how we released that to the public.
(39:08):
We want to make sure that it's definitely not taken
as actual evidence, that it's an actual picture from his computer,
but at least give a good example of what it
looked like to see if anybody has any ideas of
what those those markers could be, or if there's anybody
can do a deeper dive on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I guess yeah, wow, I'm sorry, I like my mind
is blowing.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Sorry took someone to get the questions to you.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Oh no, And I've waited till Thursday to look at him.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
So my fault too.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Whenever first, the first time we called up to somebody
tip we talked to you, he said that the cashes
were near.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I think near, and dear to your heart.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
I think it was just because it's this is a
unique case where we have these cases out there and
they have the potential of helping us identify some of
these other victims. So the hope is that you know,
someone's gonna stumble upon another one at some point, and
the question is are they going to recognize it for
what it is and let law enforcement know. And even
if the let law enforcement know, well, law enforcement know
(40:17):
to reach out to us. You know, there's a lot
of places where it's going to potentially fall through the cracks.
And that's where participating in these different media projects is
helpful because hopefully we're educating other law enforcement acies too
that you know, this guy was out there, these were
the type of crimes he committed, these were the tools
he used, and maybe if they see something, they'll recognize
(40:37):
what it is and reach out to us.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So a questions like, we're good. Yeah, I really appreciate it, Thank.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
You so much talking you guys.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Thanks for Louisiana's curious to see if we can vet
that out.
Speaker 12 (40:50):
And I'm hoping they still have the evidence of there
not maybe photos or something.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
And yeah again just Josh Hallmark. He should also have
more for me that tip as well, So if you
speak with him about the Hawk Mountain tip, we'll call
him on the way homes that then't know that you
might content him out.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
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Caitlin James, and Stephanie Maximoal. After an interview with special agents,
(43:12):
Ted Holla, up in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
It is June third. I'm twelve to thirty. So you
want to hold onto that?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Which which which coffee shop did you go to?
Speaker 12 (43:25):
Well?
Speaker 10 (43:25):
I went to a couple of different ones. I went
to like the Espresso one that was like a block
further up from you guys, and like you take a left,
and then I went to well, then I went and
walked over to Pike's Market to a bookstore, looked around,
and then on my way back, I stopped.
Speaker 19 (43:44):
At another coffe shop. I don't know what it was,
but it was on first stream, all right, So you
just walking around for a while then yeah, yeah.
Speaker 15 (43:51):
And then I popped into Starbucks.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
I just got like a cold press juice.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Fancy.
Speaker 10 (43:57):
Yeah, well wander, I got this sweet copy at the stand.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Oh fucking Bete.
Speaker 10 (44:02):
And I got uh Patricia heit Smith the Ripley Collection,
Talent to mister Ripley, Ripley Underground and Ripley's Game.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Oh sweet, Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
What were you supposed to be doing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Where were you supposed Where are you supposed to be? What?
Watching the truck is that you're thinking?
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Is that what you're supposed to be doing? What are
you guys talking about a major major issue right away?
We first got it there.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, I came running out looking for you.
Speaker 19 (44:32):
I like ran up and down the street looking for you,
trying to find the keys to the truck.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Oh really, it's rising.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
It is your fault, but it's not your fault.
This is a studio both and collaboration.
Speaker 2 (00:16):
Somewhere in the Pines is a serial podcast containing adult content,
including descriptions of violence, sexual assault, and suicide. Listener discretion
is strongly advised.
Speaker 3 (00:38):
We interrupt the previously scheduled Olympic Hotspring search to bring
you new evidence in the case of Israel Keys.
Speaker 4 (00:43):
This is part of a four episode collaboration, beginning with
a conversation on episode seven eighty eight and seven eighty
nine of the podcast True Crime Garage, continuing with a
joint episode between True Crime Bullshit and Somewhere in the Pines.
Speaker 3 (00:57):
The True Crime Bullshit episode is episode eleven of Sason six.
For the full experience, we encourage you to enjoy all
four episodes now on with the show.
Speaker 4 (01:10):
H Here's FBI special agent Ted Halla during an interview
(01:49):
conducted in Seattle, Washington.
Speaker 5 (01:51):
Well, I guess we've.
Speaker 4 (01:51):
Talked about this little bit earlier, but to CLO, wasn't there,
Uh so, just can you describe the status of the
case and the interesting case right now?
Speaker 6 (01:58):
Yes, So, it's, uh, it's an ongoing case. Obviously after
Keys killed himself, that kind of changed everything for us.
There's no longer a defendant there's no longer crimes per
se to investigate like we would in a traditional case,
but we have unsolved homicides that we're trying to solve.
Speaker 7 (02:14):
So it's remained open.
Speaker 6 (02:18):
Recognizing that he took so many secrets with him when
he died, we've really reached out to the public and
various projects and news media type things, trying to get
tips people that might remember seeing him or things like that.
Speaker 7 (02:31):
The cases.
Speaker 6 (02:32):
We've usually talked about the cases and most of these
media things because we do think that they potentially hold
clues to some of his past victims. So that's an
ongoing type strategy of ours, is to hopefully make people
aware that these cases are out there and to you know,
if they come across something they think might be one
of his cases, contact law enforcement immediately, don't touch it,
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don't contaminate the DNA that might be in there that
might be helpful to us.
Speaker 4 (02:58):
And so, like I said, outside of the Plake Falls cash,
the Eagle River disposal cash, and the Luski River search,
what has been done to locating other cashes.
Speaker 6 (03:08):
So we haven't set out that I'm aware of any
like specific searches on for like, hey, we think there's
a cash here, and sent out a team or anything
like that. So it's been more like just hopefully getting
the message out to the public that there's cashes out
there and what to do if they find them there.
It's really you guys that brought up the cash out
(03:29):
of Louisiana.
Speaker 7 (03:31):
That's really interesting to us.
Speaker 6 (03:34):
So when you mentioned when I saw those questions ahead
of time about Louisiana, that really sparked.
Speaker 7 (03:40):
An interest in mine.
Speaker 6 (03:41):
So with his receipts, we know that he was in
February third, twenty twelve.
Speaker 8 (03:46):
We know he was at this walmart here in Louisiana.
Speaker 7 (03:51):
The spillway you're talking about is right here.
Speaker 6 (03:54):
This is a map we got off this computer, and
there's your spillway again.
Speaker 5 (04:13):
Can you hear me? Yes, I can hear you.
Speaker 1 (04:15):
Josh Yeah, okay, perfect, Sorry about that.
Speaker 4 (04:19):
That's okay.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Thanks for agreeing to do this with me and Dakota.
It's great to meet you on I guess on Zoom.
Speaker 9 (04:27):
Yeah man, you too, Thanks for talking with us.
Speaker 10 (04:31):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (04:31):
So I assume Joshua has filled you in on our
kind of ongoing and uh sporadic conversation.
Speaker 11 (04:40):
Yeah, yeah, I know, he's keeping it kept me up
to date on what's going on and stuff, and I
definitely want to give both you guys credit or you know,
navigating a sensitive situation and you know, making great progress
on it.
Speaker 5 (04:56):
So I, you know, kudos to both of you guys.
Speaker 7 (04:59):
Yeah, thanks and s.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
You know, I came off as a dick just like
super protective and have had some very weird encounters with people,
so I just I'm a little anxious about strangers.
Speaker 9 (05:09):
Yeah, we I mean, we definitely understand that the amount
of work that goes into something like this, obviously you
want to protect that and you know we feel the
exact same way about it.
Speaker 5 (05:22):
So yeah, well thanks.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
So you know, I wanted to talk to you because
a few stuff has come up regarding cases and I
think in the spirit of collaboration, I wanted to share
it with you guys.
Speaker 4 (05:37):
Good cool.
Speaker 1 (05:38):
I'll start with the first, which is Colchester, Vermont.
Speaker 3 (05:43):
This is Josh Hallmark, creator of the podcast True Crime Bullshit.
For the last eleven years, he and his team have
been researching the potential victims of Israel Keys. This is
our first official phone call.
Speaker 1 (05:54):
Yeah. Next up, I have Louisiana and this is another one,
and like it's hard to say because it's kind of
too perfect. I think three years ago, and he said,
Israel keys hit a keel kit here in New Orleans,
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actually not really New Orleans, in Laplace, Louisiana, just thirty
minutes outside the city. If you google Bonnet Car spillway,
that's where we were in the spillway riding dirt bikes.
One day, the guy shows up and pulled up in
a Chrysler Town and Country and said that he and
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his family were there on vacation from Alaska, but he
wasn't with his family, he was by himself. He asked
him questions about the spillway, what it was, how often
it was used, and then they never really saw him
again until about a month later when he was on
the news because he was arrested in Alaska for murder.
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Once they found out about kill kits, they went back
and found a five or a home depot five gallon
bucket with a lid on it. They opened it found
three knives, a knife, sharpener, rope, duct tape, six feet
of chain with a lock, a small bottle of whiskey,
two bottles of water, a cigar and lighter, and a
pack of razor blades. They reported it to the police.
(07:20):
The police took photos and inventoried the bucket. They scavenged
the area and found a dead rabbit and said that
that was likely.
Speaker 4 (07:32):
Oh yeah, I guess.
Speaker 1 (07:32):
They said that they smelled death, and the police attributed
it to the rabbit. When the guys called back to
mention Keys, they were told that the New Orleans PD
was too busy and short handed to chase ghosts.
Speaker 5 (07:48):
Yeah, it's disappoined.
Speaker 1 (07:50):
Over the next two years more information. So first, as
he said, it was partially buried, about three to four
inches were sticking up above ground, but those had been
covered with a trashed deep freezer and then some other
trash and garbage. And then she asked them to pinpoint
(08:13):
the date, and they said it would have been late
February or early March of twenty twelve. The guy said
that he usually goes there for his birthday to do
dirt biking, and his birthday is March ninth, and he
swears that when he saw them on the news for
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the arrest, it was the same month or within thirty
days of his encounter with Keys. So again it's like perfect.
And he started posting this only three years ago, so
could be bullshit. But also if he was trying to
bullshit people and one it was fifteen minutes, why bury it.
Speaker 9 (08:59):
So if he said, as you know, there's a you know,
interaction with with law enforcement, there would be a way
to you know, validate his claim exactly.
Speaker 1 (09:12):
And so right now, Kim, I think, is going to
reach out to him or maybe already has from my team,
and then we're gonna have Jordan Foya New Orleans PD
to see if there's any record of this report or
this encounter.
Speaker 4 (09:26):
Okay, So I have a really strong opinion on this
one right away, and I would say this part would
just be off the record and we can we can
talk through it on how you would want to, how
we could release this I guess if you want to,
of course.
Speaker 5 (09:44):
So we have a firm.
Speaker 4 (09:49):
Belief that he did have markers for his cashes and
that the marker would be trash. You know, there are
a few few instances throughout the interviews and throughout the
case file where he talks about using trash, you know,
like nobody likes to pick up trash whatever. But there's
one quote that he says when he talks about going back,
(10:11):
he says he never goes back to look at his cases,
and then instantly he says, well, he does, but it's
only just to see if they're still there. So there
has to be some sort of marker. It can't just
be buried in the ground in the middle of nowhere
where if you went back ten years later, there has
to be something of substantial you know, size, or something
that like a rock or something like that. And then
if you look at like the Eagle River Road, the
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cash there, his plan for that victim was to bury
them in the ditch and then cover them with the
dirt and then put a big piece of sheet metal
over top of them, so same thing prevent them from
being dug up. And something that you know, all these
spots along the road, like every place that we go
to along the road is just filled with trash. You know,
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it's even even out here in the Pacific Northwest, it's
still you know, there's trash everywhere. So if he if
I heard you right, and he's saying it was buried
in a bunch of trash, then yeah, that that definitely
stands out. And it makes sense too because this is
this the same time period that he'd be coming back
from the cruise.
Speaker 1 (11:16):
Yeah, it's either the cruise or his second trip.
Speaker 5 (11:19):
Second trip.
Speaker 1 (11:20):
This is true, Like, I just don't think the second
trip there's enough time. But for sure the cruise.
Speaker 4 (11:25):
Trip, well that's yeah, that's what I was thinking. It
might be during the cruise time because then he wouldn't
have any guns with him at that point, right, Yeah,
so he could be just getting a bucket prepped and
putting what items he does have in there and coming
back and having planning to bring guns back later because
the other trip he was out trying to bury guns,
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right the second the second trip.
Speaker 1 (11:49):
No, that's the first trip too. So there's the like
pre cruise portion, which is where it's just him and
his kid for I think three days. Then they meet
in New Orleans, take the cruise, he comes back, they
part ways, and then he drops his kid off with
his mom for four days and disappears again. And that's
when he does the robbery in the fire.
Speaker 4 (12:09):
Yeah, that sounds super interesting. I hope that you guys
can make contact with him and actually get a police
report because that would be that would be massive.
Speaker 12 (12:19):
Yeah, just being able to confirm that, for one, the
a bucket was found and that this guy's claim of
the contents of the bucket is accurate.
Speaker 13 (12:31):
I mean that would speak volumes. I feel like Yeah.
Speaker 3 (12:43):
In twenty twelve, a man had a chance encounter with
Israel Keys weeks before his arrest. Years later, this reticent
tipster shared their story, not knowing it might help unlock
the secrets that could lead to a family getting resolution.
In this episode, we give you a behind the scenes
look at how two shows came together to bring the
FBI their first good lead on a cash since Israel's
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death twelve years ago, while also revealing one major clue
that made this tip stand out, and Special Agent Halla
provides us with new evidence that will forever change the
direction of the investigation. I'm Dakota and I'm Joshua.
Speaker 4 (13:16):
Welcome to Somewhere in the Pines, Episode six, Laplace, Louisiana. Shout.
(13:45):
You're just excited to hear Drew's podcast. That's Drew if
(14:15):
he was asked himself, what the fuck is he doing
this morning?
Speaker 14 (14:18):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (14:19):
Did you?
Speaker 12 (14:20):
No?
Speaker 4 (14:21):
No, that's not very commid.
Speaker 15 (14:24):
No, No, I think it's so funny. Anybody who's like,
what are you doing up there? I'm like, I'm I'm
kind of helping with a podcast, but I don't know anything,
Like I was, like, I haven't done anything thus far.
Speaker 10 (14:40):
I'm just tagging along and talking again.
Speaker 5 (14:43):
This is our friend Drew.
Speaker 4 (14:44):
We are on our way to the Olympic Peninsula, where
we will conduct searches in three locations in the next
two days that make our way to the FBI offices
in Seattle for our first in person interview, especially in
tat Halla. Drew will be helping out over the next
few trips with recording and searching. He knows nothing about keys,
and we get that way a fresh perspective by the well,
(15:05):
that just depends on how good you do. Yeah, exactly.
It's no fucking free out of boys out here.
Speaker 10 (15:10):
I mean that's the bar I'm setting for myself.
Speaker 4 (15:12):
That's good. I'm glad to hear it. Pressure is on, Yeah,
I think the first trip up the first two hours,
Dakote just stay. It's like, what the fuck are we doing?
Am I doing this?
Speaker 3 (15:32):
Laplace, Louisiana, or more specifically, the Bonnie Carry Spillway, located
twelve miles west of New Orleans. The spillway was designed
to redistribute floodwaters from the Mississippi River to the Gulf
of Mexico to protect the surrounding urban areas. The flood
control project is operated by the Mississippi River Commission and
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the US Army Corps of Engineers, State and federally controlled.
Built in nineteen twenty seven and home to not one,
but two pemitaries, the spillway sits between the city limits
of Laplace and Norcoe, Louisiana, a no man's land between
two city borders. Over the years, the spillway has developed
into an extensive outdoor recreation and natural area. When not
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in use diverting floodwater, the area is used for mountain biking, camping, fishing,
bird watching, and more. The nearby towns surrounding the spillway
have waxed and waned over the years. Some of the
urban settlements have become literal ghost towns containing unoccupied in
derelict buildings. Another thing of note is that the spillway
is within a parish, Saint Charles Parish, and the spillway
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is the northernmost boundary. In fact, if you want a
camp in the Bonnie Carry Spillway, you make your reservation
through the parish. The FBI timeline shows keys in or
around New Orleans in February of two thousand and eight,
and more recently in February of twenty twelve. During his
twenty twelve visit. We know from FBI interviews and Israel's
own words that he was moving guns to the area
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from Alaska.
Speaker 4 (17:02):
So actually, let me text Josh right now. Yeah, so,
I said.
Speaker 14 (17:06):
Up email last night by the way, we did okay, Yeah, yeah,
So I replied to Steve last night saying that we
tried to get either a link or a screenshot by
the end of the day today.
Speaker 4 (17:18):
Cool, just give us more time, yep, so Drew. Yeah,
we sent the FBI roughly like forty questions. Maybe it's
a little pack up, like a list of all the
questions that we're thinking about asking, just so that we
he can get prepped up because and maybe just find
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out some information that might be a little bit more discreet,
hid a scene stuff whatever. But one of the tips
was something that Josh Hollmerk gave us from True Crime
bullshit and about a cash in Louisiana. And they replied
last night saying that they want to know more about
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the cash and they have never seen the tip.
Speaker 10 (18:01):
What year is this?
Speaker 4 (18:03):
Twenty eleven?
Speaker 10 (18:04):
Eleven. Yeah, oh shit, I didn't realize that was for
some reason. I thought he like when you kill.
Speaker 4 (18:11):
Himself twenty twelve in December. Oh okay, So I just
got a text back from Josh and he says that yes,
so forwarded shortly and they're at the vet right now. Yeah.
So that sucks, dude, he says, if you don't hear
from me in two hours, ping me, but it's probably
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not great news. Unfortunately, it sucks to his cat. It
just they found out that it has cancer. What would
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trigger an atual search by the FBI? Is it with
something like Louis in a cash for that f be
something that.
Speaker 6 (19:03):
We need some fairly just because of manpower issues and
stuff like this and this, you know, a case where
we've got to defend it it's already deceased. Yeah, it'd
be a resource issue. But again, we can definitely coordinate
with search and rescue teams, like coordinate training and have
them help us with an area.
Speaker 7 (19:24):
Stuff like that.
Speaker 6 (19:25):
There's way we could do it to get around some
of the man power issues if we felt strong enough
that it's worth putting the time and resources in it.
Speaker 7 (19:32):
Taking a look and got our number.
Speaker 4 (19:35):
Yes, how would you go out searching, if you if
you could tell us that, or if you were in
the FBI.
Speaker 6 (19:47):
I mean, without some sort of significant clue, I don't
know how you start.
Speaker 7 (19:52):
I think.
Speaker 6 (19:55):
The hope is that maybe one's been found, and we
can find rec of something being shared with law enforcement,
kind of like what we're looking at for Louisiana. Now,
Like that's kind of a hope because it's just so hard.
So I was the case agent on the Robinette case,
and he was a bank robber that did tons of
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casing huge caches. Cash is large enough that you could
live in. And it was absolutely amazing how well hidden
these were in very populated areas and people had no
clue they were there, Like it was crazy. So for
keys to hide a simple little bucket, and we couldn't
find some of the Robinette caches, even you know, with
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fairly good information, Like it's hard.
Speaker 7 (20:42):
It's hard.
Speaker 6 (20:43):
Although I am surprised with keys that you know, the
cashes that have been recovered, like they weren't completely buried,
like they were all like kind of in some ways obvious.
Speaker 4 (21:06):
Markers objects used to indicate a position, place or route.
Israel had them, and we may have just uncovered one
of them. Israel spoke of burying items all the time.
The traditional definition for bury to put or hide underground
doesn't necessarily apply. Instead, we believe he meant something closer
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to the other definition to completely cover, cause, or disappear,
or become inconspicuous. It has been our suspicion for a
long time that he camouflage caches instead of digging deep
holes and covering them with dirt. The simple step of
hiding in plain sight, just as Israel mass his true
identity for fourteen years, could save him time while going
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to recover his caches, allowing him more time with potential
victims instead of measuring from different reference points and then
having to dig. There is one more comment that stands
out from all others. Likes to pick up trash. This
has always stood out to us as a defining point
of his and if you listen to how he describes
hiding victims and potential victims, you can see a common thread.
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He places both William and Lorraine Currier and garbage bags
and then claims to have covered them with scrap wood
and shelving in the basement where he left them so
someone would not only have to uncover them, but then
go through the extra step of cutting open the bags
to see what's inside. Listen to him describe the Eagle River,
Alaska disposal cash that he placed in preparation for disposing
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of a potential victim.
Speaker 16 (22:37):
I just remembered I had a stash of that I had.
This is kind of unrelated, but made me think of it.
There's a shovel on some two gallons of draining on
up on the road in Eagle River. That's the place
I had staked out before I went back east.
Speaker 6 (22:56):
Does this place some familiar?
Speaker 16 (23:02):
Yeah, the stuff was still there.
Speaker 17 (23:07):
There's more kicks are down there if you want.
Speaker 16 (23:20):
Yeah, I'm sure you saw that big ditch right next
to there.
Speaker 5 (23:23):
Did you dig that ditch or was that bear?
Speaker 12 (23:25):
No?
Speaker 18 (23:25):
That was a burn that and that was my plan
was to use that cause it was already dug, so
I was gonna just have to fill it in right.
There was a there was a big metal plate down
the road that I was gonna use to cover it
once I buried it, keep it from.
Speaker 14 (23:40):
Me like a sheet metal.
Speaker 1 (23:43):
Yeah.
Speaker 18 (23:43):
There was down by that other guy's driveway there was
a big pile of trash in the wood and there
was a piece of metal that I was gonna use
to throw over it and bury it.
Speaker 6 (23:52):
I tried to move that thing that would the Oh yeah,
well I was thin piece of metal, but there was
lots of was buried and yeah yeah, sh at that
like some.
Speaker 7 (24:01):
Countertops and stuff in there.
Speaker 4 (24:04):
He had the trash pile picked out. He made sure
that he didn't have to bury the victim deep underground,
while still making the odds of them being discovered even
less likely because scavengers wouldn't have access to the body.
It would be blocked by the sheet metal. Even the
disposal cash would look just like another piece of garbage,
a black trash bag in the woodline, left with only
more garbage bags and jugs of draino stuffed inside, with
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a shovel tossed aside on the ground, exposed to the elements.
No one is stopping to look in that bag. It
was only feet from the road and it was never
discovered in nearly a year. And then listen to these
next few clips. Think about how he hid the Blake
Falls cash simply yards from the parking lot, placed on
the rocks most likely gathered from the stream slash culvert
that he pointed out while leading investigator to the location
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in Parishville, New York, and the cashing manual states a
cash must be hidden under an object that will remain
fixed as long as the cash may be in use.
Rocks and trash fit that criteria.
Speaker 5 (25:00):
Are you.
Speaker 4 (25:01):
Listen closely? Is Israel talks about placing the money cash
close to the Houston Airport.
Speaker 16 (25:06):
They were just they were just wrapped up in a bag.
Speaker 17 (25:08):
And I didn't even really dig a hole, just stopped
the rest stop, went behind a tree, kicked some dirt
out of the way, drop the bag in it, kick
some dirt over it, then left.
Speaker 7 (25:19):
Yeah it was still there.
Speaker 17 (25:21):
Yeah, nobody wants to pick up trash.
Speaker 4 (25:28):
And In this clip from October thirtieth, twenty twelve, when
especially agent Ted Halla was interviewing his reel keys, he
asked Israel about his cash is being discovered.
Speaker 6 (25:37):
Did any of your cashes anywhere ever get discovered that
you know if I seriously doubt it?
Speaker 4 (25:41):
Okay? Serious, you don't think they happened upon in one
of yours?
Speaker 5 (25:45):
Ben here, that's serious?
Speaker 7 (25:48):
Okay?
Speaker 6 (25:48):
Could someone identify your cashes from I mean this guy
Robinetz cashes, I mean he had his you know, fake
driver's license and stuff, but with his real name and
stuff in there, so it was kind of easy to
attribute some of.
Speaker 18 (26:02):
Them to him at least, But I any of mine,
I don't even I was usually I mean, I didn't
even need fingerpants.
Speaker 5 (26:08):
Okay, So because I was aware.
Speaker 1 (26:11):
Of that, it's a slim possibility, but you know, it's
still happened.
Speaker 5 (26:14):
Yeah.
Speaker 6 (26:15):
Yeah, this guy had a lot of cases, and you know,
we found two, which means there's probably eighteen others out there.
Speaker 7 (26:22):
He was prolific in cashes.
Speaker 5 (26:25):
But I just wondered if you ever had anything he
discovered later were gone? No, most of them are never
never go back to. Well, I want a state it's
still there.
Speaker 4 (26:42):
But how would he do that? How would you know
that the cash was still in its hiding place without
having some sort of marker to walk past and see
it has remained untouched, on discovered, and still in his possession.
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Dakota and I have spent a lot of time looking
under coolers, toilets, bags, car hoods, refrigerators, all in search
of one item that may conceal evidence. Hearing that this
Louisiana cash was placed under a deep freezer in the
middle of a spillway stood out because, as far as
we know, no one else has ever made this connection,
so for someone to make it up three years ago
(27:22):
just felt like there is maybe more to it. The
contents of the bucket have some great connections as well,
but we get a lot of tips like that. This
one stands out because of how it was camouflaged. Now
that we have been able to help the FBI make
a connection to the first potential cash that could still
garner our evidence since Israel's demise in twenty twelve, we
want to thank Josh Hallmark, Kim Kay and the rest
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of the True Crime Bullshit team for entrusting us with
this information, and we thanked the tipster not only for
the detailed account, but also for doing the right thing
by reporting to local authorities. We'd also like to thank
Special Agiahala, Steve Byrne, and Emai Alexander for being I'm
willing to share this new evidence with us, but there's more.
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Here's Special Agent Ted Halla giving us the full details
of the Louisiana cash and why they found it interesting. So,
like I said, outside of the Blake Falls cash, the
Eagle River Disposal cash, and the Luski River search, what
has been done locating other cashes.
Speaker 6 (28:20):
So we haven't set out that I'm aware of any
like specific searches on for like, hey, we think there's
a cash here and sent out a team or anything
like that.
Speaker 7 (28:29):
So it's been.
Speaker 6 (28:30):
More like just hopefully getting the message out to the
public that there's cashes out there and what to do
if they find them.
Speaker 5 (28:37):
There.
Speaker 6 (28:38):
It's really you guys that brought up the cash out
of Louisiana that's really interesting to us. So when you
mentioned when I saw those questions ahead of time about Louisiana,
that really sparked an interest in I. So we are
working with a cold case team out in the Peninsula
and they're doing a deep dive into.
Speaker 7 (28:58):
His home computer.
Speaker 6 (28:59):
So when we first looked at home computers back in
twenty twelve, the forensic software available now to investigators is
so much better than what it was back in twenty twelve.
So they've done a deep dive into his computer. He
had lots of topographical maps that he downloaded onto that
computer and it was bought seventy five of them. One
of the topographical maps, it looks like he kind of
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laid out a grid search on it. It's in Louisiana,
and I'll show you, guys. So with his receipts, we
know that he was in February third, twenty twelve.
Speaker 8 (29:35):
We know he was at this walmart here in Louisiana.
Speaker 6 (29:42):
The spillway you're talking about is right here. This is
a map we got off his computer and he's the
one who put these grids.
Speaker 7 (29:51):
On here, and there's your spillway.
Speaker 5 (29:54):
I guess it looks like they're numbered.
Speaker 7 (29:56):
Yeah, we don't know what the numbering means.
Speaker 6 (29:58):
And I still need to get with the computer, you guys,
because I might understand is as they click on there,
you get more detailed maps of the area.
Speaker 7 (30:05):
But when you guys brought that up, I was like, okay, that.
Speaker 6 (30:08):
We've talked about, Like, this is the only map he's
done these type of grid patterns on that we found
so far. The other ones are just fairly closed in
topographical maps. They don't say the state on them.
Speaker 7 (30:21):
You got to do the lot land to figure out
where they are.
Speaker 6 (30:23):
And that's one of the projects they're working on, is
they're going to plot these all over the you know,
like a googleer type thing, and we'll be able to
look and see where all these tople maps are that
he downloaded. We're also aware that he hooked up numerous
portable hard drives to this computer, and so we do
have some portable hard drives that we drive during searches,
and we're going to go through those and see what's
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on those. Some feel like there's probably better stuff that
might be on some of those portable hard drives. But
when I saw this, saw him being at the Walmart there,
I think that's very credible. So now what we need
to do is find out if this stuff has really
turned over the police department. Do they have records, they
have photos? Do this person that found this have photos?
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So that's all stuff we're going to be working on.
Speaker 19 (31:07):
But yeah, I noticed that they're not numbered squentially.
Speaker 7 (31:12):
Yeah there's two. Yeah.
Speaker 6 (31:16):
Yeah, And I have a chance to talk to the
forensic guys that are going through this if they know
what that means.
Speaker 7 (31:22):
So something I need to follow up with on them.
Speaker 4 (31:24):
But well, is it possible to take a photo of
this with the camera?
Speaker 20 (31:29):
This one here is fine because that's just public yepp,
we have we have you guys, Okay, Yeah, So our
plan will be eventually we will incorporate all these topographical
maps into some sort of report that will go into
the case file and then obviously that'll be available through
boy requests. But we're still working through organizing it and
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making it useful and helpful to investigator.
Speaker 5 (31:53):
Have their hard drives been looked at it all up
until now?
Speaker 6 (31:57):
So, yes, it was originally looked at in twenty twelve.
That's where they found the Doubla Feldman name, which is
what it was. Yeah, it was on his home computer.
That one's gone through and I remember when I was
up there in October twenty twelve. I spent afternoon going
through it and again all these topographical maps, but when
you look at them, you couldn't even like figure out
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what state they were until you started researching what the
lot land were for them.
Speaker 7 (32:22):
So that's something that this cold case team is working
on to make.
Speaker 6 (32:25):
It easier for US investigators to say, Okay, there's these
you know, top those maps in Washington State that he
downloaded there, here's the ones in Texas or.
Speaker 7 (32:34):
Wherever they might be.
Speaker 6 (32:35):
And then you know, one thought is to potentially shoot
those out to the jurisdictions that have those areas and
then ask them do you have missing persons?
Speaker 7 (32:44):
From this area.
Speaker 6 (32:45):
Do you have you know, bodies that have been recovered
from this area? Cash is anything like that, And then
maybe we'll get something, some useful feedback. So yeah, it's promising.
Speaker 7 (32:55):
Yeah, yeah, that's.
Speaker 5 (32:56):
Great if we were able to, if we reach out and.
Speaker 6 (32:59):
If you ye ye, call back in a week and
I may have more information. So yeah, don't reach out to.
Speaker 3 (33:05):
Steep seventy plus maps that could not only help us
understand Israel's methods, but they could lead to discovering more
of his crimes burglaries, arsons, bank robberies, cash locations, and
most importantly, victims. Places he planned to do things, places
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he did do things. Who knows, But this investigation just
got blown wide open, and with more information comes more questions.
The guns, where are the guns? If not in this cash,
does that mean there's another cash in the area? The
boundary lines? Will we find another example of Israel's use
of boundary line signage or other easily identifiable markers on
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the approach to the cash site?
Speaker 4 (33:53):
The map?
Speaker 3 (33:54):
What are the numbers on the map represent? Where else
will those maps lead us? And lastly, computers, what else
is on those hard drives? How many different ways did
Israel use his personal computers to plan crimes. With new
technology being used to search Israel's hard drives, will more
victims be discovered. These maps will soon be available through
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FOYA and we may be able to get our hands
on them with more information to come. We know, we're
just scratching the surface.
Speaker 5 (34:32):
Recording in progress. All right, Hello, hellope, Hey, sorry I
wrote that. No worse. How's it going?
Speaker 4 (34:43):
It's okay.
Speaker 5 (34:43):
How are you guys doing? All right?
Speaker 4 (34:46):
Good? Yeah, so.
Speaker 5 (34:50):
We did it.
Speaker 4 (34:51):
Six months of working together and we found a cash
what with with your help?
Speaker 12 (34:59):
What so?
Speaker 5 (35:01):
Yeah?
Speaker 4 (35:01):
Man, it was absolutely insane, the Louisiana cash. Yeah, is
a real cash. Yeah yeah, dude. We can give you
some details on that right now to kind of explain
all of that, but there's also more stuff we definitely
want to tell you about, just to give you an
overview what we talked about with the FBI. Yeah, that cash,
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that was the one that you told us about that
was covered in trash, and that was like really stood
out to us because that's something that we think is
like really important.
Speaker 5 (35:28):
That's one of his markers.
Speaker 4 (35:30):
We just we just submitted a bunch of questions on
all of the different caches that we thought could be
a possibility, and that was one of them.
Speaker 5 (35:38):
And that's he.
Speaker 4 (35:38):
Asked right away if we can send more information about that,
and that's why, you know, we asked you to send
us the link and everything. And when we got there,
about halfway through the conversation, he basically broke out this
map and it's a map that they pulled from Israel's computer.
It's a map of Louisiana, a map of like New
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Orleans and the place, and it has a grid that
he Israel had drawn out on the actual map and
there's a cash sorry, there's a pinpoint rate in the
spot where the this person described. Wow, and he didn't
have enough time to contact law enforcement in Louisiana. He's
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going to contact law enforcement and see if they still
have it, see if they have photos of it, and
try to find the exact location. He's going to contact
the person that submitted the tip same thing, see if
they have photos of it, if they.
Speaker 5 (36:33):
Can give a better.
Speaker 4 (36:34):
Description of the contents. What was really crazy about this
map with the grids on it is it actually had
what thirty to forty pinpoints on it.
Speaker 19 (36:43):
I think it had probably about between fifteen and twenty
markers on the grid, and there are little circles with
numbers inside, and the numbers weren't sequential, so it was
just it was like right on the cash location there
was a two, and then there was a two across
the river like just above it or just below it,
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and then there was like other numbers like thirty two,
forty five, like random numbers. But I remember right on
the cash location on the grid was the number two,
and that's that's the map that they pulled off of
Keys's computer. So it's it was immediately I think that
special Agent Halla, as soon as he heard about that,
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we actually sent him like a mapped out picture of
where we thought it was. And the map that he
took out from Keys' computer was like identical to the
map that we sent him almost it was like the
exact area, you know, that we sent and so the
maps were almost identical.
Speaker 4 (37:44):
Wow.
Speaker 5 (37:45):
Nice fucking wild Yeah, dude, nice fucking work though. Nice
nice work man.
Speaker 1 (37:50):
Well you too.
Speaker 4 (37:51):
You know, we think there's a possibility to get a
few more connected as well, So just take a little communication,
i think between your team and our team to kind
of narrow down a few things.
Speaker 5 (38:02):
And yeah, it.
Speaker 4 (38:03):
Definitely seems like there are possibilities. And the one thing
they coude was just talking about the pinpoints that were
all over the map. Each one of those markers, they said,
if you click on it, it actually shows an expanded view,
like a close in view of the topic graphical map
of that area. So they have. And so of the
fifteen to thirty markers that were on there, the majority
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of them were labeled number two, but there were several,
probably less than four or five, that were labeled like
thirty five, forty two and forty five or so, so
different higher numbers, different from all the rest of them.
So they could that could have been a potential abduction spot,
burial spot, you know, more, or spot that he has
more importance to him for some reason. It was actually
(38:46):
all the way around this huge area around New Orleans
and the place. So there's a lot of information that
we can definitely share with you and show you photos
of what. He was not willing to give us the photo.
He just let us look at it for a few
that's so I did like a little mock up of
what it sort of looked like, and you know, we
can talk about how we released that to the public.
(39:08):
We want to make sure that it's definitely not taken
as actual evidence, that it's an actual picture from his computer,
but at least give a good example of what it
looked like to see if anybody has any ideas of
what those those markers could be, or if there's anybody
can do a deeper dive on that stuff.
Speaker 1 (39:24):
I guess yeah, wow, I'm sorry, I like my mind
is blowing.
Speaker 5 (39:38):
Sorry took someone to get the questions to you.
Speaker 6 (39:40):
Oh no, And I've waited till Thursday to look at him.
Speaker 7 (39:44):
So my fault too.
Speaker 4 (39:46):
Whenever first, the first time we called up to somebody
tip we talked to you, he said that the cashes
were near.
Speaker 5 (39:51):
I think near, and dear to your heart.
Speaker 6 (39:53):
I think it was just because it's this is a
unique case where we have these cases out there and
they have the potential of helping us identify some of
these other victims. So the hope is that you know,
someone's gonna stumble upon another one at some point, and
the question is are they going to recognize it for
what it is and let law enforcement know. And even
if the let law enforcement know, well, law enforcement know
(40:17):
to reach out to us. You know, there's a lot
of places where it's going to potentially fall through the cracks.
And that's where participating in these different media projects is
helpful because hopefully we're educating other law enforcement acies too
that you know, this guy was out there, these were
the type of crimes he committed, these were the tools
he used, and maybe if they see something, they'll recognize
(40:37):
what it is and reach out to us.
Speaker 5 (40:40):
So a questions like, we're good. Yeah, I really appreciate it, Thank.
Speaker 7 (40:45):
You so much talking you guys.
Speaker 6 (40:47):
Thanks for Louisiana's curious to see if we can vet
that out.
Speaker 12 (40:50):
And I'm hoping they still have the evidence of there
not maybe photos or something.
Speaker 4 (40:55):
And yeah again just Josh Hallmark. He should also have
more for me that tip as well, So if you
speak with him about the Hawk Mountain tip, we'll call
him on the way homes that then't know that you
might content him out.
Speaker 5 (41:07):
Okay, cool.
Speaker 4 (41:35):
Thanks for listening to this episode of Somewhere in the Pines.
This week's episode our work is our interpretation of the
La Plus Louisiana grid map that was shown to us.
You can view it at Somewhere in the Pines dot com.
If you have questions for a future Q and a episode.
Please submit them to Somewhere in the Pines pod at
gmail dot com. Somewhere in the Pines will be joined
by a contemporary Canadian artist, Heather Horton Whedon on October
(41:58):
nineteenth at the berksh Podcast Festival to introduce another major
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(42:26):
Caitlin James, and Stephanie Maximoal. After an interview with special agents,
(43:12):
Ted Holla, up in Seattle.
Speaker 5 (43:15):
It is June third. I'm twelve to thirty. So you
want to hold onto that?
Speaker 3 (43:21):
Which which which coffee shop did you go to?
Speaker 12 (43:25):
Well?
Speaker 10 (43:25):
I went to a couple of different ones. I went
to like the Espresso one that was like a block
further up from you guys, and like you take a left,
and then I went to well, then I went and
walked over to Pike's Market to a bookstore, looked around,
and then on my way back, I stopped.
Speaker 19 (43:44):
At another coffe shop. I don't know what it was,
but it was on first stream, all right, So you
just walking around for a while then yeah, yeah.
Speaker 15 (43:51):
And then I popped into Starbucks.
Speaker 5 (43:53):
I just got like a cold press juice.
Speaker 4 (43:56):
Fancy.
Speaker 10 (43:57):
Yeah, well wander, I got this sweet copy at the stand.
Speaker 4 (44:01):
Oh fucking Bete.
Speaker 10 (44:02):
And I got uh Patricia heit Smith the Ripley Collection,
Talent to mister Ripley, Ripley Underground and Ripley's Game.
Speaker 3 (44:13):
Oh sweet, Yeah, it's cool.
Speaker 5 (44:16):
What were you supposed to be doing? Yeah?
Speaker 4 (44:17):
Where were you supposed Where are you supposed to be? What?
Watching the truck is that you're thinking?
Speaker 5 (44:22):
Is that what you're supposed to be doing? What are
you guys talking about a major major issue right away?
We first got it there.
Speaker 4 (44:31):
Yeah, I came running out looking for you.
Speaker 19 (44:32):
I like ran up and down the street looking for you,
trying to find the keys to the truck.
Speaker 4 (44:36):
Oh really, it's rising.
Speaker 3 (44:40):
It is your fault, but it's not your fault.
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